FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS HENRY SANTANA AT-LARGE CITY COUNCILOR. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
TODAY IS AUGUST 12, 2025 AND IT IS 3:07 P.M. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAM AT BOSTON.COM SLASH
CITY COUNCIL DASH TV AND BROADCAST IT ON ITS FINNISH CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 AND FILES CHANNEL 964. WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO
THE COMMITTEE. EMAIL US AT BOSTON DOT GOV AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS . PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING.
INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP AND THEY WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU ARE TESTIFYING IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TESTIFYING IN PERSON PLEASE ADD YOUR NAME TO THE SIGN UP SHEET NEAR THE
ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO TESTIFY VIRTUALLY PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON QUORA MONTREAL AND ACCURATE MONTREAL AND BOSTON DOT GOV FOR THE LINK
AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 1356. MESSAGE AND ORDER IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE ORDINANCE ON SURVEILLANCE, OVERSIGHT AND INFORMATION SHARING. BOSTON CITY CODE SECTION 1663 I HEREBY TRANSMIT FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION THE PROPOSED
SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY FOR THE ROLL AND MONITORING CAMERA SYSTEM SUBMITTED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY VHA. DOCKET NUMBER 1357 MESSAGE AND
ORDER WITH THE ORDINANCE ON SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT AND INFORMATION SHARING. BOSTON CITY CODE SECTION 16 63.3 I HEREBY TRANSMIT FOR YOUR
REVIEW THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REPORT ON THREE SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS TOOLS THE SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENT POLICIES THAT GOVERN
THE USE OF THESE TOOLS. THIS THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY MAYOR MICHELLE WU AND WAS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON JULY 9TH, 2025. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY
COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR ED FLYNN AND COUNCILOR JULIAN MEJIA. WE WILL ALSO RECEIVE LETTERS OF ABSENCE FROM COUNCILOR LIZ
BRAYTON FROM DISTRICT NINE OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT RUSSELL LOUIJEUNE AND COUNCILOR ENRIQUE PEPEN FROM DISTRICT FIVE OUR AT THIS POINT.
BEFORE I INTRODUCE TODAY'S PANELISTS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BRIEF OPENING REMARKS STARTING WITH COUNCILOR FLYNN.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT IS HERE. THANK YOU TO THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL FOR BEING
HERE FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU DO ACROSS THE CITY. MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF. I'M GOING TO FOCUS MOSTLY ON
THE MOVE FROM THE RODENT CONTROL TECHNOLOGY. THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY IMPORTANT TO ME. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I'VE WORKED ON FOR EIGHT YEARS.
PEST CONTROL I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS EVERY DAY WORKING WITH RESIDENTS, WORKING WITH CITY OFFICIALS, WORKING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS ON HOW WE'RE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY
DEAL WITH THE ESCALATE MOTION OF RATS IN OUR IN OUR CITY. BHO ADMINISTRATOR I WAS WITH YOU RECENTLY DONE IT MARY ELLEN
MCCORMACK AND SOUTH BOSTON AND IT'S ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER IT'S ABOUT LISTENING TO RESIDENTS SUPPORTING RESIDENTS . I WAS AT WEST DEDHAM STREET
OVER THE WEEKEND. I WAS IN CATHEDRAL BERKELEY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL OVER THE WEEKEND BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS IN PUBLIC
HOUSING ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY AND THAT INCLUDES MAKING SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE HEALTHY AND SAFE FOR THEM. WE NEED TO USE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TO KILL RATS IN THIS
CITY. RATS DON'T RUN BOSTON. THE PEOPLE DO. AND THEN ON THE SECOND ISSUE, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
TWO GENTLEMEN THAT ARE HERE FROM THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. BOTH OF THEM DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB WORKING WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO KEEP OUR CITY SAFE, KEEP OUR RESIDENTS
SAFE. SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH OF THEM FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THEY DO BUT ALSO TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
BANK ACCOUNTS FRIEND AND COUNCILMAN, HERE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND JUST FOR I SO MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS ARE TWO DOCKETS RIGHT HERE. CORRECT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT I'M SHOWING UP FOR THE RIGHT HEARING SO TWO POINTS HERE I GUESS FOR ME I'M INTRIGUED BY THE SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGY AND HOW WE USE IT FOR GOOD. AND SO I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF POTENTIAL RISKS THAT WE CAN SEE AND
QUESTIONS THAT I'M SURE WE'LL GET FROM OUR RESIDENTS REGARDING THE MONITORING OF RODENTS. JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION AND I MOST
OF MY QUESTIONS WILL BE FOR DOCKET 1357. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN HERE I
WOULD LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO NOW INTRODUCE TODAY'S FIRST PANEL WITH US. WE HAVE SAID OKAY BUT AS WE HAVE DEPUTY
SUPERINTENDENT GERALD CAHILL WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOSTON REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER BRICK BRIAN
WALSH. WE HAVE LUKE HYNES WHO IS A SPECIAL OPERATIONS MANAGER I HAVE HERE WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THAT'S NOT CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY HE HAS A SPECIAL
OPERATIONS MANAGER AND WE HAVE ADMINISTRATOR KENZIE BOK, ADMINISTRATOR OF THE BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY. IF YOU I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR OPENING REMARKS AND PRESENTATIONS AND IF YOU
CAN JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND PUT YOUR NAME INTO THE RECORD, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THIS SIR. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILORS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY ABOUT THESE IMPORTANT ADDITIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT'S ANALYTIC TECHNOLOGY PORTFOLIO. MY NAME IS RYAN WALSH. I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOSTON REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER, PART OF THE BUREAU
OF INTELLIGENCE AND ANALYSIS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE BRIX MISSION IS TO SERVE AS THE REGION'S CENTRAL POINT FOR THE COLLECTION SYNTHESIS ANALYSIS AND DISSEMINATION OF STRATEGIC AND TACTICAL
INTELLIGENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ,FIRST RESPONDER AND PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS. IT IS A RESOURCE THAT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSIBILITIES BY ANALYZING, MAINTAINING AND SHARING INFORMATION IN A MANNER THAT
PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE PRIVACY, CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES OF OUR CITIZENS IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS MISSION WE MAINTAIN SEVERAL ANALYTIC TECHNOLOGY APPLICATIONS TO ENABLE OUR
ANALYSTS AND INVESTIGATORS TO EFFICIENTLY AND ACCURATELY PROCESS INFORMATION FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES INCREASINGLY IN RECENT YEARS WE'VE SEEN AN EXPANSION OF THREATENING CONTENT COMING FROM SOCIAL MEDIA RELATED APPLICATIONS ON
THE INTERNET IN EACH OF THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUR ANALYSTS HAVE PROCESSED MORE THAN 200 EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED THREAT RELATED INCIDENTS ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 50% OF ALL THE SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORTS
THAT WE REVIEW EACH YEAR. LAST YEAR APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF ALL THE THREAT RELATED REPORTS REVIEWED BY THE BREAK HAD SOME SORT OF A SOCIAL MEDIA COMPONENT TO THE THREAT OR THE
RESULTING INVESTIGATION TO DATE IN 2025 33% OF THREAT RELATED REPORTS REVIEWED BY OUR TEAM HAVE HAD A SOCIAL MEDIA COMPONENT. THESE STATISTICS INDICATE THE INCREASING NECESSITY
OF ENSURING OUR TEAM HAS ACCESS TO ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TOOLS TO EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFY, ANALYZE AND EVENTUALLY MITIGATE THESE THREATS TO OUR COMMUNITY. INCREASINGLY WE'RE OBSERVING THESE THREATS COMING FROM THE
ONLINE UNIVERSE THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CITED IN A 2024 STRATEGY DOCUMENT THAT QUOTE AS THE OPEN SOURCE ENVIRONMENT CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND EVOLVE
AT BREAKNECK SPEED, THE ABILITY TO EXTRACT ACTIONABLE INSIGHTS FROM VAST AMOUNTS OF OPEN SOURCE DATA WILL ONLY INCREASE IN IMPORTANCE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY. IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, LAW
ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS MUST EMBRACE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND TRADECRAFT TO COLLECT AND EVALUATE OPEN SOURCE DATA. AN ESTIMATED 4.9 BILLION INDIVIDUALS USE SOCIAL MEDIA ACROSS THE WORLD AT THE CURRENT
TRAJECTORY THIS NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO JUMP TO APPROXIMATELY 5.5 BILLION USERS BY 2027. APPROXIMATELY 90% OF THE WORLD'S DATA HAS BEEN CREATED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS
ALONE AS THIS DATA CONTENT CONTINUES TO GROW AT THIS SPEED, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INCREASINGLY CHALLENGED BY THE ABILITY TO PROACTIVELY PROCESS AND ANALYZE THE AMOUNT OF DATA ONLINE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY
REPRESENT THREATS TO OUR RESIDENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS HAS EXPANDED RECENT ACADEMIC REVIEWS OF THE SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORTING INDICATORS
SHOW THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCURATELY ANALYZING AND INVESTIGATING THREAT INFORMATION TO PREVENT MASS VIOLENCE. IN DECEMBER 2024, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND FBI RELEASED AN ASSESSMENT AND REVIEW OF THE NATIONAL
SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORTING INITIATIVE INDICATORS CONDUCTED BY ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA. THESE ARE A FORMAL SET OF BEHAVIORS THAT WE USE TO
ASSESS WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL MAY BE IN THE PRE OPERATIONAL PLANNING STAGES PRIOR TO CONDUCTING AN ATTACK. THE REPORT REVEALS SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS REGARDING THE EFFECTIVENESS AND PRESENCE
OF INDICATORS IN TERRORIST PLOTS FROM 1990 TO 2022. MOST NOTABLY INDICATORS WERE PRESENT IN 80% OF TERRORIST PLOTS AND ATTACKS. THE RESEARCH ILLUSTRATES THAT THE PRESENCE OF THESE INDICATORS STRONGLY CORRELATED
WITH PLOT FAILURE WHEN INDICATORS WERE PRESENT PLOTS HAD OVER AN 80% FAILURE RATE. THE REPORT ALSO FOUND THAT EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED THREATS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE MOST RECENT DECADE ATTRIBUTED
TO DEVELOPMENTS IN THE DIGITAL COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY SECTOR AND INCREASED REPORTING FROM CIVILIANS IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTERTERRORISM SPACE WE HAVE FOUND INCREASINGLY WE HAVE INCREASINGLY SEEN THE
IMPORTANCE OF ANALYZING AND ASSESSING SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT IN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS IN JULY FOUR ANALYSTS ASSISTED WITH TWO HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS PROVIDING PROVIDING INFORMATION TO
INVESTIGATORS BY REVIEWING AND CONNECTING SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS WHICH IN ONE CASE YIELDED ADDITIONAL IDENTIFYING INFORMATION EVENTUALLY RESULTING IN AN ARREST. WE ALSO ASSISTED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING INVESTIGATIONS
WHERE A JUVENILE VICTIM REPORTED RECEIVING THREATS ONLINE VIA SOCIAL MEDIA. ANALYSTS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECTS FROM THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND THEN USING THAT INFORMATION WERE ABLE TO ASSIST DETECTIVES IN GETTING
SEARCH WARRANTS AND ULTIMATELY INTERVIEWING ONE OF THE INVOLVED PARTIES. THAT CASE REMAINS UNDER INVESTIGATION. SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS HAS ALSO AIDED IN THE RECOVERY OF MISSING PERSONS INCLUDING A RECENTLY MISSING JUVENILE
FEMALE WHO WAS ABLE TO BE LOCATED OUT OF STATE BASED ON IMAGES FROM ONE OF HER SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS EARLIER THIS YEAR. SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS AIDED IN THE LOCATION OF A FUGITIVE
WANTED FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR ON SEVERAL WARRANTS FOR A FIREARM VIOLATIONS, ASSAULT CHARGES AND DRUG CHARGES. THE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS IDENTIFIED WERE USED TO SERVE A LEGAL PROCESS AND EVENTUALLY LOCATE THE INDIVIDUAL OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
ADDITIONALLY, SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS HAS AIDED IN NUMEROUS SEXUAL ASSAULT RELATED INVESTIGATIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR INCLUDING IDENTIFYING A SUSPECT IN ONE CASE WHO MOVED TO BOSTON RECENTLY. SOCIAL MEDIA WAS USED TO FIND
PHOTOS OF THE SUSPECT'S VEHICLE AND INVESTIGATORS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIM IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE A VICTIM OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT LATER REPORTED RECEIVING THREATS FROM AN UNKNOWN NUMBER CELL PHONE INFORMATION AND
SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS WAS USED TO MAKE A CONNECTION A DEFINITIVE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE AND THE THREATS CASE LEADING TO A RESOLUTION AND A THIRD CASE INVOLVING A JUVENILE VICTIM.
ANALYSTS WERE ABLE TO LOCATE PHOTOS AND LOCATION INFORMATION BASED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS WHICH ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN AN ARREST BASED ON THE INCREASING PREVALENCE OF SOCIAL MEDIA IN COUNTERTERRORISM AND
TRADITIONAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. LAST FALL THE DEPARTMENT BEGAN AN EXIGENCY RELATED TRIAL OF THREE SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS APPLICATIONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE ADEQUATELY
ADDRESSING THE HEIGHTENED THREAT ENVIRONMENT SEVERAL FACTORS LED US TO BELIEVE AN EXIGENT SITUATION EXISTED THEN AND CONTINUES TO EXIST NOW IN THIS AREA. THE 2025 HOMELAND THREAT
ASSESSMENT RELEASED IN JANUARY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY STATED THAT OVER THE NEXT YEAR THE TERRORISM THREAT ENVIRONMENT IN THE HOMELAND WILL REMAIN HIGH PARTICULARLY DUE TO A CONFLUENCE OF FACTORS VIOLENT EXTREMIST RESPONSES TO
THE DOMESTIC SOCIOPOLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS ESPECIALLY THE 2024 ELECTION CYCLE AND INTERNATIONAL EVENTS THAT DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN VIOLENT EXTREMISTS LIKELY WILL USE TO JUSTIFY OR ENCOURAGE ATTACKS IN
THE HOMELAND. THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS CONDUCTED IN ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX, DYNAMIC AND DANGEROUS THREAT ENVIRONMENTS IN U.S. HISTORY. ELECTION OFFICIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY REPORTED A RANGE
OF EXPERIENCING A RANGE OF THREATS AND DISRUPTIVE ACTIVITY INCLUDING CYBER ATTACKS, BOMB THREATS, SWATTING INCIDENTS, WHITE POWDER ENVELOPE INCIDENTS AND MIS DIS AND ALL INFORMATION INTENDED TO
DISRUPT ELECTION PROCESSES AND DETER INDIVIDUALS FROM VOTING. ADDITIONALLY, THROUGHOUT 2024 AND INTO 2025 THE BEARCATS OBSERVED A HIGH LEVEL OF ANTISEMITIC RHETORIC WITHIN
RACIALLY AND ETHNICALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENT EXTREMIST GROUPS WHOSE MEMBERS HAVE POSTED ANTI-SEMITIC IMAGERY INCLUDING MEMES AND CARTOONS ON VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA AND MESSAGING APPS AND CONTINUE TO CIRCULATE THIS DEROGATORY
CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE JEWISH POPULATION. THESE GROUPS CONTINUE TO EMPLOY FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS PROPAGANDA IN THEIR PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL AND HAVE SHARED ATTACK MANUALS THAT INCLUDE FOREIGN
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS, ATTACK METHODOLOGIES ON HOW TO USE VEHICLES, KNIVES AND EXPLOSIVES IN PLANNED ATTACKS. IN ONE MASSACHUSETTS EXAMPLE OF CONCERN IN THIS AREA IN JANUARY 2025, AN INDIVIDUAL
FROM BEVERLY, MASSACHUSETTS WAS ARRESTED AFTER LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS NOTIFIED OF SEVERAL THREATS POSTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA AGAINST THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND POSTS THAT ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO SHOOT INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE OF LOCAL
SYNAGOGUES. NAZI FLAG, GHOST GUNS, SIX BOXES OF AMMUNITION AND SEVERAL PIECES OF FIREARMS AND FIREARM PRODUCTION MATERIALS WERE RECOVERED FROM HIS RESIDENCE FOLLOWING A SEARCH WARRANT. ADDITIONALLY, FOREIGN
TERRORISTS ORGANIZATIONS HAVE RECENTLY EXPRESSED AN INTEREST AND HAVE DISSEMINATED PROPAGANDA CALLING FOR BELIEVERS TO TARGET MASS GATHERINGS, ICONIC LOCATIONS AND HIGH PROFILE EVENTS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
CURRENT TERRORIST PROPAGANDA TRENDS HAVE BEEN ON A STEADILY INCREASING TRAJECTORY AND RELY ON INCREASINGLY SOPHISTICATED DIGITAL PLATFORMS AND SOCIAL MEDIA APPLICATIONS TO AMPLIFY THEIR MESSAGING AND REACH
GLOBAL AUDIENCES. THE PROLIFERATION OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGIES HAVE PROVIDED FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS WITH NEW APPARATUSES FOR PLANNING AND EXECUTING ACCOUNTS.
THE BREAK HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN THE USE OF AI GENERATED GRAPHICS AND VIDEOS DISSEMINATED BY VARIOUS DESIGNATED FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUPS THIS YEAR INCLUDING ISIS, HAMAS AND ZETA.
MOST RECENTLY IN JULY. THE BREAK RELEASED AN INTELLIGENCE PRODUCT DOCUMENTING THE INCREASE IN INDIVIDUALS ENGAGING IN TARGETED VIOLENCE AGAINST ELECTED AND APPOINTED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OVER THE PAST YEAR.
VIOLENT EXTREMISTS CONSIDER THESE INDIVIDUALS EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND HIGH VALUE TARGETS FOR THEIR VISIBILITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND POSITIONS OF INFLUENCE. PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE ESPECIALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO ATTACKS AT THEIR
PLACES OF WORK, PUBLIC EVENTS AND HOME RESIDENCES DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR SCHEDULED PUBLIC NATURE ON THEIR SCHEDULES. THEIR WORK HAS SEEN A STARK INCREASE IN THE USE OF VIOLENT, THREATENING AND OR DEROGATORY
STATEMENTS FROM MALICIOUS VIOLENT ACTORS UTILIZING PUBLIC PLATFORMS SUCH AS X FORTUNE AND GAB. SPECIFICALLY TARGETING GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. IN ORDER TO BEST ANALYZE AND
COUNTER THESE TRENDS WE IDENTIFIED TWO APPLICATIONS WE BELIEVE WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE OUR ABILITY TO COUNTER THESE TRENDS IN THE THREAT ENVIRONMENT AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS
OF OUR TEAM AT MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY IN THE CITY. THESE TOOLS WERE THE COURSE INTELLIGENCE SUITE AND SITE INTELLIGENCE'S SOURCE FEED AND SEARCH FEED APPLICATIONS. THE COURSE INTELLIGENCE SUITE
CONSISTS OF TOOLS AND CAPABILITIES FOR GATHERING DATA FROM OPEN SOURCE DATA SOURCES COUPLED WITH CAPABILITIES TO ANALYZE THAT DATA OF COURSE PROVIDES ANALYSTS THE ABILITY TO LOCATE AN INDIVIDUAL'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SOCIAL MEDIA
PROFILES ACROSS MULTIPLE PLATFORMS SIMULTANEOUSLY. THE APPLICATION PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT EFFICIENCY GAINS FOR ANALYSTS SUPPORTING INVESTIGATIONS, ENABLING RESEARCH ACROSS MULTIPLE
PLATFORMS WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE TAKE HOURS TO COMPLETE. OF COURSE HAS GREATLY ASSISTED SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS IN OVER 30 SEXUAL ASSAULT INVESTIGATIONS. THIS HAS MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN RECENT YEARS AS THE
SUSPECTED VICTIM COMMUNICATION IN THESE CASES HAS INCREASINGLY TAKEN PLACE ON SOCIAL MEDIA APPLICATIONS. THE COURSE HAS ALLOWED ANALYSTS TO FIND ACCOUNTS AND PHONE NUMBER INFORMATION THAT RESULTED IN POSITIVE
IDENTIFICATION OF SUSPECTS BEING ABLE TO SEARCH ACROSS MULTIPLE OPEN SOURCE WEBSITES AT ONCE GREATLY CUTS DOWN ON THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO SEARCH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND ONE EXAMPLE INVESTIGATORS
ONLY HAD A SUSPECT SNAPCHAT NAME. ANALYSTS WERE ABLE TO USE COURSE TO FIND ADDITIONAL ACCOUNT INFORMATION WHICH INCLUDED PART OF THE SUSPECT'S REAL NAME WHICH THEN HELPED TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION.
THE WORK HAS ALSO HAD SUCCESS UTILIZING SITE INTELLIGENCE'S SOURCE FEED AND SEARCH FEED APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE PROVIDED BY THE SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP TO IDENTIFY
POTENTIAL THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND GAIN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN ONLINE FORUMS FREQUENTLY UTILIZED BY DOMESTIC VIOLENT EXTREMISTS.
FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND THOSE INSPIRED BY FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. THE SITE SEARCH FT APPLICATION PROVIDES A SEARCH ENGINE THAT ENABLES USERS TO SEARCH THE SOURCE FEED DATASET FOR SPECIFIC TERMS WITHOUT HAVING
TO DIRECTLY ACCESS MALICIOUS FORMS. THE SOURCE FEED DATASET IS SOURCED FROM PLATFORMS AND WEBSITES THAT ARE AFFILIATED WITH TERRORISM AND VIOLENT EXTREMISM. ALL DATA COLLECTED WITHIN THE
SOURCE FEED SYSTEM HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY A HUMAN SITE AND EXPERT ANALYST TO CONTAIN VIOLENT RHETORIC OR THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE EXTREMIST OR TERRORIST GROUPS AND ONLINE FORUMS ARE NOT INDISCRIMINATELY
COLLECTED. BPD IS CURRENTLY SUBSCRIBED TO THE SUBSET OF THIS CONTENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND THOSE INSPIRED BY THEM. EARLIER THIS YEAR THESE APPLICATIONS AIDED THE INVESTIGATION OF A THREAT
OF VIOLENCE DIRECTED AT STATE AND LOCAL ELECTED LEADERSHIP WHO ARE SCHEDULED TO ATTEND A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT SOON AFTER THE DISCOVERY OF THE THREAT AS A RESULT OF INFORMATION GATHERED FROM THIS TOOL AND
OTHER INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS. THE SUSPECT WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER A SEARCH WARRANT WAS CONDUCTED AT THEIR RESIDENCE WHICH LED TO THE RECOVERY OF THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION 3D
PRINTERS AND NUMEROUS FIREARMS AND RIFLES. ADDITIONALLY, THE TOOL WAS USED TO AID IN THE INVESTIGATION OF A SWATTING THREAT DIRECTED TOWARDS A LOCAL HIGH PROFILE BUSINESS CEO. THE SEARCH IS CONDUCTED WITHIN
SEARCH FIELD LED TO THE IDENTIFICATION OF PREVIOUS OF A PREVIOUS DOXING INCIDENT INVOLVING THE SUSPECT AND TWO ADDITIONAL SWATTING CALLS CONNECTED TO THE SUSPECT. THIS INVESTIGATION REMAINS ONGOING.
FINALLY, THE BRICK WAS ALERTED BY THE SITE'S SYSTEM OF A POST REGARDING AN ANTI-SEMITIC THREAT TO AN EMPLOYEE OF A LOCAL COLLEGE. BRICK ANALYSTS WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE ORIGINAL POST VIA
THE SEARCH FEED FUNCTION WITHIN SIGHT AND THE BRICK WAS ABLE TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH INVESTIGATORS FROM THAT LOCAL AGENCY TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THAT CAMPUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED.
IN CLOSING, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON A FEW POINTS ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY. NEITHER OF THESE TOOLS ENABLES INDISCRIMINATE BULK DATA COLLECTION. THEY ARE USED BY A SMALL GROUP OF HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS
UNDER CLOSE SUPERVISION AND WITH THE HIGHEST REGARD FOR PRIVACY, CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES PROTECTIONS. THE USE OF THE TOOLS ARE REGULARLY REVIEWED BY THE SUPERVISORS AND OUR PRIVACY
OFFICER TO ENSURE THAT IT REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PRIVACY POLICY AND ALL OTHER LAWS, REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND THE DISCUSSION TODAY REGARDING THESE CRITICAL TECHNOLOGIES. THANK YOU.
AWESOME. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO GO OVER YOU DON'T HAVE OPEN BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I LEFT. I'LL ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER WHY
IS THE JOHN? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR FITZGERALD FROM DISTRICT THREE, COUNCILOR WEBER
FROM DISTRICT SIX AND COUNCILOR SHARON DURKAN FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU ALL. THANK YOU. CHAIR AFTERNOON, COUNCILORS.
THANK YOU, CHAIR AGAIN. MY NAME IS LUKE HYNES. I'M A SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE UNDER THE OPERATIONS CABINET AND I'M JOINED HERE TODAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES BHP ADMINISTRATOR KENZIE BOK AND I ASK THE
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JOHN ORRICK ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BASIN OR AN ACTION PLAN OR BRAC AS WE CALL IT IN OUR REQUEST TO ADD A
NEW TOOL TO IDENTIFY RODENT HOTSPOTS AND MEASURE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR MITIGATION EFFORTS CITYWIDE. THE TECHNOLOGY WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY CALLED THE EXTRA SENSE MOTION CAMERA IS A RODENT
MONITORING SYSTEM THAT WILL HELP US ENHANCE OUR WORK AT THE VHA SITES IN THE NEW BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY SITE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEPLOYING THIS TECHNOLOGY AT. RUTH BARCLAY IN THE SOUTH END
THE MISSION OF THE BOSTON RODENT ACTION PLAN IS TO MEASURABLY REDUCE RODENT ACTIVITY ACROSS THE CITY AND TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL BOSTON RESIDENTS. IT'S OUR CITY COORDINATED AND
ALL OUR GOVERNMENT STRATEGY TO ADDRESS RODENT ISSUES BY BRINGING TOGETHER MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, ALIGNING ON INTERVENTIONS, DEPLOYING INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES TO TRACK AND CONTROL RODENT ACTIVITY ACROSS THE CITY AND
ADDRESS ROOT CAUSES OF RATS. MOST IMPORTANTLY HOW TRASH IS STORED, HANDLED AND COLLECTED AND OUR APPROACH COMBINES PROACTIVE MITIGATION, RESIDENT EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH TECHNOLOGY
PLAYING A CRUCIAL ROLE IN HELPING US TARGET EFFORTS WHERE THEY HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT. OVER TWO YEARS AGO THE CITY PARTNERED WITH DR. BOBBY CORRIGAN, ONE OF THE WORLD'S FOREMOST EXPERTS ON RODENT
CONTROL TO PRODUCE A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT ON BOSTON'S RODENT CHALLENGES. THIS REPORT, KNOWN AS THE BOSTON URBAN ACTION PLAN EMERGED AND MANY OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS CALL FOR ESTABLISHING A CITYWIDE
LEADERSHIP GROUP TO COORDINATE WORK ACROSS AGENCIES USING DATA TO GUIDE RODENT INTERVENTIONS IN OUR INVESTMENTS IN THESE STRATEGIES DEPLOYING NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO MONITOR AND CONTROL RODENT POPULATIONS AND
ATTEMPTING TO MAKE MEANINGFUL IMPACTS TO THE TRASH COLLECTION SYSTEM AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR CITY. CAPITALIZING ON HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'VE DEPLOYED OVER 275 MICROSHARE MOTION
SENSORS IN BAIT BOXES ACROSS VARIOUS PARKS ALLEYS VHA PROPERTIES AND CITY FACILITIES TO MEASURE RODENT ACTIVITY AND GUIDE WHERE WE SHOULD DEPLOY OUR RODENT MITIGATION STRATEGIES. WE'VE ALSO INSTALLED RODENT
RESISTANT BARRELS IN PARKS AND ARE WORKING TO IMPROVE OUR STREET LITTLE BARRELS CITYWIDE. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH VHA TO UPGRADE TRASH RECEPTACLES AT RESIDENT SITES STARTING IN ALLSTON AND BRIGHTON AS PART
OF THE PARTICIPATORY BUDGET PROGRAM AND WE'VE ALSO PILOTED NEW TECHNOLOGIES IN THE NORTH END WITH THE INSTALLATION OF DIFFERENT SEWER TRAPS AND WE HAVE MORE PLANNED TO BE DEPLOYED IN THE BACK BAY WITH
SURFACE TRAPS BEING DEPLOYED IN CHINATOWN IN SEPTEMBER. TODAY'S PROPOSAL IS TO ADD ANOTHER TOOL TO OUR TOOLKIT. IT'S A PILOT WITH THE EXTRA SENSE TECHNOLOGY COMPANY AT THE RUTH BARCLAY SITE AS I
MENTIONED AND THESE AI ENHANCED CAMERAS WILL HELP US DETECT HEAT SIGNATURES AND ACTIVATE ONLY WHEN SMALL ANIMALS SUCH AS RODENTS ARE PRESENT. THE TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT RECORD AUDIO. IT DOES NOT COLLECT PERSONAL
IDENTIFIERS OR STORE FOOTAGE OF PEOPLE. THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO IGNORE AND DELETE ANY VIDEO THAT IS TRIGGERED BY HUMAN ACTIVITY. FOOTAGE OF RODENTS IS RETAINED FOR NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS AS
INACCESSIBLE TO ONLY A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM THE ANALYTICS TEAM FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RODENT TREND ANALYSIS. OUR ANALYTICS TEAM IS PARTNERED WITH OUR DO IT TEAM AND THE GOAL OF COLLECTING THIS RODENT
DATA IS TO USE SENSORS AND THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY IS TO PRODUCE AGGREGATED REPORTS SUCH AS HEATMAP SHOWING WHERE ACTIVITY OF HOTSPOTS ARE. THIS WILL HELP US TARGET LOCATIONS FOR MITIGATION
FOCUSED SANITATION IMPROVEMENTS AND MEASURE WHETHER OUR INTERVENTIONS ARE WORKING SUCCESSFULLY OR NOT. THE EXTRA SENSOR TECHNOLOGY IS ALREADY BEING USED IN NEW YORK CITY'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE BRONX IN BROOKLYN AS WELL AS
DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL AND PARK SETTINGS IN THE MASSACHUSETTS METRO AREA. THIS PILOT WILL COMPLEMENT OUR ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SERIES WHERE WE'RE GATHERING RESIDENTS FEEDBACK ON TRASH COLLECTION PRACTICES AND
SHARING INFORMATION ON HOW PROPER STORAGE AND SANITATION CAN REDUCE RODENT ACTIVITY THROUGH LARGER PUBLIC MEETINGS SUCH AS THE ONE THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS EVENING. SMALLER FOCUS GROUPS AND DIRECT
COLLABORATION WITH OTHER CITIES AND STAKEHOLDERS WRAP CONTINUES TO ADOPT AND EXPAND OUR EFFORTS BASED ON WHAT WORKS. IN SHORT, WHILE THE EXTRA SENSE CAMERA ARE A VALUABLE NEW TOOL .
THEY ARE PART OF MUCH OF A BROADER DATA DRIVEN AND COMMUNITY CENTERED APPROACH TO MAKING BOSTON CLEANER, HEALTHIER AND LESS HOSPITABLE TO RATS. THANK YOU ALL AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE. AND UP ON THE SCREEN THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WOULD WORK. SO THESE ARE A COUPLE OF IMAGES THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT AS I MENTIONED ARE THE HEAT MAPS.
SO THE CAMERAS WILL DETECT RODENT ACTIVITY AND THEN PRODUCE THESE REPORTS SUCH AS YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM. IT ALSO PROVIDES US LOCATIONS WHERE WE SHOULD BE DEPLOYING DIFFERENT TRAPS OR MITIGATION STRATEGIES.
AND THEN THE DATA ANALYSIS ON THE LEFT SIDE ARE THE REPORTS ON THE TIMES RODENTS WERE PRESENT. THE FREQUENCY AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS BEING REVIEWED ALONG WITH THE OTHER DATA THAT
WE MENTIONED WITH THE SENSORS FROM OUR ANALYTICS TEAM. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU TO OUR PANELISTS FOR BEING HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR
CROWDSOURCED QUESTIONS IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SO WE'LL DO FOR A MINUTE AND THEN WE'LL DO A SECOND ROUND WITH THIS PANEL IF WE NEED TO FROM ANY COUNCILOR. SO COUNCILOR FLYNN, YOU HAVE
THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. MR WALSH. I LISTENED CLOSELY TO YOUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOUR TEAM IS DOING. YOU HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL CASES
WHERE THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE CRIMES BASED ON INTELLIGENCE TECHNOLOGY BUT YOU ALSO USE THAT SAME TECHNOLOGY
INTELLIGENCE TO FIND SAY AN ELDERLY PERSON IN NEED OR SOMEONE THAT'S SICK THAT IS LOST THEIR WAY. HOW FREQUENTLY ARE YOU ABLE TO
USE THAT TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGY NOT TO PREVENT CRIME AND TO SOLVE CRIME BUT REALLY, REALLY TO HELP PEOPLE?
IS THAT PART OF THE STRATEGY TO A CERTAIN CERTAINLY I THINK YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO USE OUR TECHNOLOGIES AROUND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT SORT OF TYPES OF ACTIVITY THAT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS ENGAGED IN WHEN THERE'S A VALID PURPOSE FOR IT. AND I THINK TOOLS SUCH AS THESE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY HAVE HELPED TO FIND MISSING INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, TENDS TO BE YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
PROBABLY MORE ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK WE'VE CERTAINLY ALREADY HAD AN EXAMPLE OR TWO WHERE THAT HAS ASSISTED IN A MISSING PERSON INVESTIGATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT FOR SURE.
DOES IT ASSIST WITH SAY LIKE A MISSING A MISSING CHILD THAT THAT IS LOST FROM IT IS HIS OR HER MOTHER OR FATHER A GUARDIAN? IS THAT ALSO PART OF IT? IT CERTAINLY COULD IF THEY WERE
TO, YOU KNOW, POST ON OPENLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOME CONTENT ABOUT THEMSELVES OR MAYBE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT OFTENTIMES WE'LL FIND YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE PARENTS AREN'T AWARE OF OR OTHER ACCOUNTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS
WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR A MISSING JUVENILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND CERTAINLY WITH SOMEONE MAYBE SOMEONE WITH YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE DEMENTIA OR AN ELDERLY PERSON THAT TECHNOLOGY
CAN ALSO ASSIST IN FINDING THAT PERSON. IT COULD. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK I WANT TO FOCUS BRIEFLY ON PEST CONTROL
AGAIN, IT'S AN ISSUE I'VE WORKED ON FOR EIGHT YEARS. I ALSO WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON DR. CORRIGAN'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WAS ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AND MANY OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE INCORPORATED INCLUDED NOT NOT ONE OF MY MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS
WAS HAVING A STANDALONE CITY DEPARTMENT ON PEST CONTROL BUT I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE I WAS GOING TO SAY COUNCIL BARK BUT ADMINISTRATOR BARK.
RUTH BARCLAY DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE HEART OF MY DISTRICT WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND I KNOW THAT PILOT IS GOING TO BE STARTED THERE.
YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GET A MORE DIVERSE DEVELOPMENT THAN THAN RUTH BARCLAY SO I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING IT THERE. WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER FOR YEARS . ON THE CHALLENGES OF THE ELEVATOR SYSTEM AT RUTH BARCLAY
TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH RUTH BARCLAY BACK TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES AS WELL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR FLYNN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY FOR THE RUTH BARCLAY RESIDENTS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS AS WAS MENTIONED BY LUKE WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE CENSUS. WE THINK THAT RUTH BARCLAY IS
IT'S THE BJP'S BIGGEST DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTH END WHICH YOU KNOW IS ONE OF THOSE PRIORITY ACTION NEIGHBORHOODS AS PART OF THE BRAC WRAP WORK BECAUSE WE DO SEE A LOT OF RAT
ACTIVITY THERE AND SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A FRUSTRATION TO US SOMETIMES THAT BIG SITES ARE OFTEN SITES FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING AND OTHER TRASH THAT COMES IN
FROM OUTSIDE AND SOMETIMES THAT STIGMA THEN GETS ATTACHED TO OUR RESIDENTS WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY UNFAIR. SO IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE PURSUING A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND WE THINK THESE SENSORS ARE GOING
TO TELL US A LOT ABOUT SORT OF THE EXACT MICRO SPOTS IN THE SITE WHERE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND AND I THINK THAT IT WILL PROBABLY POINT TO SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE WE'RE EXPERIENCING ILLEGAL DUMPING LIKE YOU KNOW, CERTAIN SPOTS THAT ARE EASIER
FOR PEOPLE TO PULL OFF AND DO THAT THAN OTHERS. SO THAT'S USEFUL DATA FOR US AND WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE SENSORS THAT THE CITY HAS PUT IN THAT HAVE STARTED UP IN THE LAST FIVE WEEKS THAT AREN'T PART OF THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VIDEO COMPONENT. THEY JUST SENSE WHEN A RAT GOES INTO A BOX. BUT THOSE ARE ALREADY HELPING US GET SOME OF THE DATA. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY IS ACTUALLY PARTNERED WITH JOHN AND HIS
TEAM AT ESD AROUND BOROUGH I R X WHICH IS THIS IT'S THIS METHOD OF OF KILLING RATS USING CARBON MONOXIDE AND LARGE BURROWS AND WE'VE THIS HAS
REALLY HELPED US TAKE OUT A BUNCH OF BURROWS AT AT BERKELEY BUT ALSO WEST BROADWAY IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT A BUNCH OF OTHER SITES WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE AT MARY ELLEN MCCORMICK,
ONE OF THE SITES WHERE WE FINALLY DO THAT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT PREVIOUSLY THE ESD WERE THE ONLY FOLKS WHO HAD THE TRAINING TO DO IT AND THEY HELPED OUR TEAM LEARN HOW TO DO IT AND WE GOT THE MACHINES AND IT'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL HAVING
ONE OF THOSE TEAMS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST AUTHORIZED HAVING A SECOND TEAM AND SO THAT THEY CAN REALLY BE ALL OVER THE CITY . SO THAT'S A THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF IT FOR US IS THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON ON THE RAT BURROWS BUT I THINK THAT THE
SURVEILLANCE IS JUST GOING TO REALLY HELP US BE MORE TARGETED. AND I ALSO DO WANT TO THANK THE COUNCILORS. I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HAS AUTHORIZED MONEY FOR PARTICIPATORY BUDGETING AND WE THE BMJ WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL
TO THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON FOR MAKING THIS PROJECT IN ALLSTON BRIGHTON THAT'S AT OUR COMMONWEALTH AND PATRICK PATRICIA WHITE DEVELOPMENTS ONE OF THE FIRST PARTICIPATORY BUDGETING PROJECTS IN THE CITY
SO IT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL IN LUKE'S COMMENTS BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING OUT AN RFP TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO BUY NEW RAT PROOF LIKE DUMPSTER SETUPS AND
THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP US TO HAVE THE SENSORS BECAUSE IF WE CAN SHOW THAT WHERE WE HAVE THOSE NEW DUMPSTERS AND ACTUALLY WE ALSO GOT A BUNCH OF NEW DUMPSTERS USING THE AJ
RESOURCES AT RUTH BERKELEY FOR INSTANCE LIKE IF WE CAN SHOW HEY WHEN WE HAVE THESE WE DON'T SEE THE SAME RAT ACTIVITY RIGHT AROUND THOSE DUMPSTERS. IT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH CONTINUING TO RAISE THE FUNDS THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT ACROSS THIS ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE
BECAUSE A CHALLENGE WE'VE HAD SO FAR IS THAT WE PUT IN LIKE ONE REALLY GREAT NEW SET UP AT CHARLES TOWN AND THAT WAS FANTASTIC BUT IT'S LIKE ONE CORAL OUT OF THE 15 CORRALS
THAT WE HAVE AND IT COST US LIKE $30,000 TO SET THAT SYSTEM UP AND WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW TO DO EVERYWHERE. BUT BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU COUNCILOR. IT'S LIKE A NUMBER ONE QUALITY
OF LIFE ISSUE FOR US AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARING TODAY, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT BETWEEN THE ELEVATOR PROJECT AND A LARGE VENTILATION PROJECT AT RUTH BERKELEY WE'VE GOT $25 MILLION
OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE SLATED FOR RUTH BERKELEY THIS YEAR WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT THE VHA USUALLY SPENDS ACROSS ITS PORTFOLIO IN CAPITAL WORK IN A YEAR. SO IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT THERE
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT. JUST LAST WEEK WE WE FINALLY GOT TO 100% DESIGN DOCUMENTS FOR YOU KNOW THERE'S EIGHT OF THOSE ELEVATORS AT BERKELEY THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS IN ORDER TO DO THE FULL
MODERNIZATION. AND SO THOSE HAVE JUST GONE OUT TO BID. SO IT'S A REALLY EXCITING MILESTONE FOR US. WELL, THANK THANK YOU, ADMINISTRATOR. AND AS YOU KNOW, BERKELEY IS
VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND ALL MY VHA DEVELOPMENTS ARE BUT I'M NOT GIVING UP ON MY VHA DEVELOPMENT ACROSS ACROSS MY DISTRICT AND WE HAVE
SIGNIFICANT I KNOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES WITH THE ELEVATOR SYSTEM AT RUTH BERKELEY BUT ALSO AT WEST ADAMS STREET ACROSS AND ACROSS
THE MIDDLE OF VICTORIA AS WELL . ELEVATORS ARE OPERATIONAL ELEVATORS AND VHA DEVELOPMENTS ARE CRITICAL. MR CHAIR, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME. I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO MY COLLEAGUES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FLYNN. UM, THINGS HE HAS FOR MEJIA YOU
HAVE THE FLOOR. I'M CURIOUS JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION THE RULE IN SITUATION WHO'S GOING TO BREAK
IS NOT GOING TO BE OVERSEEING THEIR RIGHTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INFORMATION SHARING BETWEEN BRICK IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M HERE FOR THAT. SO COULD JUST FOR THE RECORD
RIGHT NOW ALL OF THE THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE VIDEOS ON THE RIGHT CAMERAS IS GOING TO IT ANALYTICS TEAM WOULD DO IT AND AND AS LUKE NOTED THESE THESE CAMERAS ARE
LOW TO THE GROUND THEY'RE LOOK THEY'RE PICKING UP RATS AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ADDED COMPONENT THAT FILTERS OUT LIKE FIGURES OUT WHETHER ANY ACTIVITY IS RODENT OR SOMETHING ELSE AND CUTS IT IF IT'S NOT RODENT ACTIVITY.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW MY CONSTITUENTS LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. AND THEN JUST A FOLLOW UP JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION HERE IS
THIS VIDEO IS THE AUDIO AND LET ME JUST ASK JUST FOR SAFETY'S SAKE IS THAT IF THERE IS A CRIME THAT HAPPENS IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, IF THERE'S
ANY CONCERNS LIKE HOW CAN YOU KNOW WE'RE JUST WANTING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING AND IF WHAT POSSIBILITIES ARE THERE
FOR THERE TO BE A BREACH IN OR OVER REACH FOR THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY TO THEN BE SHARED. I JUST WANT TO JUST KNOW FOR THE RECORD JUST ALL JOKES ASIDE, THIS IS I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH.
SO I'LL LET LUKE SPEAK MORE TO THIS BUT IT DOESN'T CAPTURE ANY AUDIO SO THE AUDIO PIECE IS NOT SOMETHING IN THERE AND THE VIDEO IS JUST UNDERGROUND RIGHT ? YEAH. THANK YOU COUNCILOR AND AGREE
THAT IT'S DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. SO AS I'M SURE YOU MENTIONED THE CAMERA IS VERY LOW TO THE GROUND ROUGHLY TWO FEET ABOVE THE GROUND THE CAMERA DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUDIO SO IT DOESN'T
COLLECT ANY SOUND AND IT USES AN AI TECHNOLOGY TO DETERMINE IF THE VIDEO THAT'S CAPTURED IS SMALL RODENT AND IF IT'S NOT A SMALL RODENT AND DOESN'T DETECT IMAGE IT DELETES THE FOOTAGE
AFTER 15 MINUTES ONLY FOOTAGE OF RODENTS IS STORED AND IT'S ONLY STORED FOR 30 DAYS. AND AS ADMINISTRATOR BOURQUE MENTIONED THAT FOOTAGE IS REVIEWED BY OUR ANALYTICS TEAM INTO IT. OKAY GREAT.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE THAT SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO RAT PROFILING HERE HAPPENING. GREAT. SO OKAY, SO I'M MOVING ON. THERE IS RAT PROFILING.
I'M SITTING BY THE RATS. I KNOW IT'S LIGHTING UP HERE A LITTLE BIT BUT I DO ME JUST GO INTO SOME OF THE MORE ALIGNED YOU UP. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE HARDER QUESTIONS FOR YOU
ALL HERE. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO MAYBE WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT HEARING AROUND THIS BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS THIS IS ABOUT FLOCK CAN WE TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AFTER THE 90 DAY FLOCK TRIAL? WHAT IS THE DECISION PROCESS MAKING YOU KNOW, IN THE TIMELINE FOR CONTINUING OR
DISCONTINUING THE USE WHO SIGNS OFF? WHAT METRICS WILL YOU RELY ON AND HOW WILL THE CITY COUNCIL BE INVOLVED BEFORE ANY EXTENSION OR EXPANSION SO SO
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS TODAY'S HEARINGS ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS TOOLS I KNOW BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW THAT IN WHILE I'M HERE. I WOULD SAY I WAS ALL OVER ME. ALL RIGHT, I'LL REMAIN FOCUSED.
OKAY, FINE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES. YEAH, IF NOT, I'LL JUST I WOULD SAY WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER YES. I'M VERY INTRIGUED ABOUT FLOCK RIGHT NOW.
BUT LET ME JUST GO BACK TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA BEYOND THE LISTED TOOLS, DOES BPD CONDUCT SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING THROUGH TRADITIONAL MEANS AND OUR
PERSONAL PHONES STRICTLY PROHIBITED FOR THIS PURPOSE IS THERE IN POLICY COVERING THE NON TOOL SURVEILLANCE SO I THINK IT DEPENDS ON KIND
OF LIKE THE PRECISE DEFINITION OF SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING. I WILL SAY DEFINITIVELY PERSONAL PHONES ARE NOT USED. WE ONLY USE APPROVED APARTMENT EQUIPMENT FOR ALL OF OUR WORK FRANKLY. SO THAT THAT'S A HARD KNOW FOR
SURE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WE DO USE YOU KNOW JUST GENERAL SOCIAL BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCESS THAT ANY PERSON WOULD
HAVE ON THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS IN OUR WORK IN INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT AND AND PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES YEAH THERE WAS ONE MORE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
I KNOW YOU REFERENCED A FEW VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF HOW SUCCESSFUL YOU'VE BEEN. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY AROUND ELBOW
YARD LOOK AT LOOK KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE STREETS TAKE OVER ACTIVITY. YES HOW WE WOULD REFER TO IT YES, YES YES, YES. THERE'S BEEN YOU KNOW SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY THERE AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS MORE HYPERLOCAL LOCAL HERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS BUT IN BOSTON IN PARTICULAR. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS KIND OF WHAT IN HOW YOU'VE USED THAT INTEL?
CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY WE ARE VERY AWARE OF THE CONCERNS AROUND STREET TAKEOVERS AND THE VIOLENT CRIMES INCLUDING YOU KNOW, SHOOTINGS AND HOMICIDES THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT SOME OF THOSE INCIDENTS FORTUNATELY MOST RECENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS
PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE HELPING OUR OFFICERS DEPLOY TO THE RIGHT LOCATIONS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO GLEAN FROM PUBLICLY SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU KNOW, THAT IS BEING POSTED BY GROUPS THAT CONDUCT THIS
TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND I HEARD MY TIME WHEN QUICKLY SO I'LL COME BACK FOR A SECOND ROUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ASKING MEJIA. COUNCILOR FITZGERALD, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR?
THANK YOU CHAIR AROUND THE SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS TOOLS THAT ASIDE FROM THE SOCIAL NETWORKS LIKE FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM AND ALL THE ONES THAT YOU CAN THAT ARE FREE TO
MONITOR AS PEOPLE RIGHTFULLY ARE PUTTING THAT STUFF OUT THERE SO RIGHT THERE'S NOTHING BUT ON THESE THERE ARE OTHER AND I'M NOT IN ANY SO I APOLOGIZE BUT ON THESE ONLINE FORUMS OR OTHER THINGS WHERE
PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE POSTING BOARDS OR MESSAGE BOARDS OR ALL THAT I ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL BUT I KNOW THAT OTHER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES. ARE THEY ACCESSIBLE BY THE
PUBLIC THOSE FORUMS OR IS THAT LIKE A YOU KNOW WHEN SOMEONE HAS ONE OF THOSE BOARDS YOU HAVE TO BE INVITED IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND AND IF SO YEAH, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS I DON'T GIVE AWAY SECRETS BUT
LIKE WHAT IS THE IN THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY IS THERE DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR WAY INTO IT AND THEN SORT OF ASSESS WHAT'S GOING ON TO RECOGNIZE THREATS
SO THERE'S A THERE'S A VARIETY OF KIND OF YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TOOL YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SORT OF APPLY TO JOIN A CLOSED GROUP. YOU CAN BE INVITED IN IN SOME CASES THEY'RE SORT OF IT'S UNFORTUNATELY IS VERY SPECIFIC
TO EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION. I WILL SAY THAT THE COURSE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS STRICTLY AT THAT SORT OF FULLY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE LEVEL AND IT HITS ACROSS A NUMBER
OF DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. BUT YOU KNOW REALLY AT THAT SORT OF PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IF YOU WENT TO EACH SITE YOU'D BE ABLE TO GLEAN THE SAME INFORMATION. THAT TOOL HELPS US TO GAIN SIGNIFICANT EFFICIENCY. YOU KNOW, IN DOING THAT ACROSS
THOSE SITES, THE SITE TOOLS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY DO START TO KIND OF GET INTO THIS AREA OF POTENTIALLY CLOSED GROUPS. AND YOU KNOW, WE WE WORK WITH
THE FOLKS FROM SITE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THEIR DATA PROCESS AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR ANALYSTS DO ON A ON A REGULAR BASIS AS WELL WHERE THE ONLY CONTENT THAT THEY COLLECT WHEN THEY ARE ABLE TO
ACCESS A CLOSED GROUP USUALLY BY BEING INVITED IN OR BY YOU KNOW, ACCESSING A LARGER PUBLICLY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE GROUP BUT THEY ARE SOMEONE HAS SOME SORT OF CONTROL OVER IT.
THEY ONLY COLLECT CONTENT THAT IS THREATENING IN NATURE OR RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, A FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OR YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC VIOLENT EXTREMIST TYPE ACTIVITY. YEAH, THANK YOU. AS YOU TALK ABOUT FACING THE
MORE PUBLIC FACING EARLIER WE HAD A HEARING ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA ON THE YOUTH AND SO IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR FIRST HEARING OF NOT GETTING THEM ADDICTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA WILL THAT IMPACT YOU GUYS
IN THE LONG RUN? BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD PROBABLY WELCOME. I CERTAINLY HOPE SO. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE DICHOTOMY OF THOSE THE TWO
HEARINGS TODAY AND HOW ONE WOULD AFFECT THE OTHER. AS FOR THE CAMERAS, THIS IS HOW MANY IS THIS JUST HAPPENING IN THE SOUTH?
IT IS THE FIRST PILOT I APOLOGIZE RIGHT. I MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY LUKE YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. COUNCILOR RUTH BARCLAYS THE ONLY SITE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEPLOYING THE EXTRA SENSE
TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW BUT AND JOHN CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THIS BUT WE HAVE 275 OF MICROSHARE SENSORS DEPLOYED IN BABY BOXES WHICH ISN'T A CAMERA BUT IT DETECTS RODENT
ACTIVITY IN THE SAME WAY ONCE A RAT ENTERS THAT BAIT BOX. THOSE ARE ACROSS SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO TOLL BOOTH PARKS ALLEYS IN
THE BACK BAY ALL OVER THE PLACE SO THOSE AREN'T SUBJECT TO THE BUT THOSE AREN'T THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CAMERA YET. NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW
MANY OF THOSE ONES WOULD BE IN DISTRICT THREE THOSE MONITORING BUT IF IT'S AT ALL NO NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALL THE
QUESTIONS I HAVE. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, PANEL AND COUNCILOR, WE CAN FOLLOW UP AFTERWARDS AND GET YOU A LIST OF ALL THE SITES IN DISTRICT TWO IF THAT'D BE HELPFUL FOR YOU. YEAH, JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THAT. YEP. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN FITZGERALD, COUNCILOR WEBER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I GUESS THAT IS A
DIRECT DIRECTOR TO WASHINGTON. RYAN IS FINE. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE WHAT PPD OBLIGATIONS ARE UNDER THE THE THE ORDINANCE IN TERMS
OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES? WELL, AND WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT OR SEEK APPROVAL OF YOU KNOW, ACQUIRING THEM AND WHAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING I
WOULD SAY I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE ORDINANCE BY ANY STRETCH WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM OF FROM THE OFFICE OF OUR LEGAL ADVISOR THAT PROVIDES US ADVICE ON A BEST WAY TO ADHERE TO THE ORDINANCE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU
KNOW, WHEN WE WANT TO ACQUIRE NEW TECHNOLOGY UNDER SORT OF AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE THINK IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY CRITICAL TO THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WE CAN ENGAGE WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY AND THAT KIND OF NOTIFY THE COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, AND AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WE FEEL THAT'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT AND IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY OVER A LONG TERM PERIOD. OKAY. OKAY.
I MEAN I THINK INITIALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK LIKE YOU KNOW, MR HYNES LAID OUT LIKE WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, LAY IT YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS AND WE CAN APPROVE IT.
THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE I THINK THE PREFERRED WAY THEN IF THERE'S EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES YOU KNOW, THEY'RE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO I THINK WITHIN 30
DAYS LET US KNOW THAT YOU ARE ACQUIRING AND YOU KNOW IT'S IT WAS TO BE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE EXPIRATION OF THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES BUT IF THAT HAS AN EXPIRED YOU'RE STILL
SUPPOSED TO TELL US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AN EXTENSION OF THE 30 DAYS. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? I WAS NOT AWARE THAT LAST PIECE. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN HONESTLY IT'S THIS IS JUST IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE
SENSE OUT OF EVERYTHING BUT YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY MUST NOTIFY THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY IS UNABLE TO MEET THE 30 DAY
TIMELINE TO SUBMIT A TECHNOLOGY REPORT TO THE TECHNOLOGY IMPACT REPORT TO YOU KNOW AND IF NECESSARY THE TECHNOLOGY
SPECIFIC SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY MUST NOTIFY THE COUNCIL IN WRITING REQUESTING TO EXTEND THE PERIOD. SO I JUST DID THAT HAPPEN HERE?
SO WE'VE ISSUED THE LETTER TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE THIS HEARING. I'M NOT 100% SURE ON EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMELINE WAS TO BE HONEST. WELL, IF IT IF IT'S OCTOBER YOU'RE USING THE THE
SOCIAL MEDIA TOOLS RATE IN OCTOBER 2024 INTO NOVEMBER. SO WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THAT MY READING IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET AT LEAST A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION.
I WOULD SAY I APOLOGIZE IF WE DID NOT MEET THE DEADLINE. WE DEFINITELY STRONG WILL STRIVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE FOR SURE. BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO KIND OF TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS FOR SURE. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW I MEAN JUST
BECAUSE I I THINK THIS IS RELEVANT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER TO APPROVE THE TECHNOLOGY I.E. THE OTHER THINGS. SO FOR THESE TANGLES AND SOURCE
FEED AND COURSE AGAIN THESE ARE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE YOU KNOW INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE SCANNING ALL AT ONCE IS THAT RIGHT? SO I WOULD SAY TO TO KIND OF BE
SPECIFIC. SO TANGLES WAS A THIRD TECHNOLOGY THAT WE DID CONDUCT A SHORT TRIAL. WE DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROCUREMENT OF THAT APPLICATION FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS BUT BOTH TANGLES AND
CHORUS I WOULD SAY ARE COMPLETELY ACCESSING, YOU KNOW, FULLY WHAT WE CONSIDER FULLY PUBLIC DOMAIN INFORMATION. THE SITE TOOLS GO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT.
OKAY. AND JUST SO SO THEN WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION THAT THERE'S AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE? I WOULD SAY THE POLICE COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. SO I JUST LOOKING AT THE
DEFINITION OF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES, READING GLASSES, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT THEY EXIST WHEN THERE'S A GOOD FAITH AND REASONABLE BELIEF THAT AN EMERGENCY INVOLVING DANGER
OF DEATH, PHYSICAL INJURY OR SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY DAMAGE OR LOSS SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT WOULD RENDER IMPACT WOULD RENDER IT IMPRACTICAL IMPRACTICABLE TO OBTAIN A
WARRANT. DO YOU KNOW SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND MAYBE YOU JUST OUTSIDE OF YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE BUT YOU KNOW IS IS
THE USE YEAH IT WAS THE NATURE OF THE THREAT SURROUND THE ELECTION TO THAT MAKE IT THE WAY I READ THIS IS NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE TO CREATE HARM LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY
WHO THROUGH THESE CHATS GOES AND DOES SOMETHING VIOLENT BUT YOU KNOW IS THERE AN ANALYSIS BEING DONE? DOES THAT MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE OR IMPRACTICABLE TO OBTAIN A
WARRANT? I THINK IN SOME CASES YES IT WOULD. I DO THINK YOU KNOW, A LARGE PORTION OF THE EXIGENCY CAME STARTED AT THE ELECTION TIME PERIOD. WE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF ATTACKS THAT MIGHT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET ADVANCED WARNING OF ON SOCIAL MEDIA AROUND THAT TIME IN PARTICULAR AND SINCE WE HAVE BEEN USING THE TOOLS I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT
THE ATTACKS HAVE PREVENTED THE LOSS OF THE ACCESS TO THE TOOLS HAS ALLOWED US TO INVESTIGATE THREATS THAT HAVE PREVENTED THE LOSS OF LIFE. JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP IF YOU
WITH YOUR PERMISSION SORRY CONSIDER CAN SO JUST CAN YOU I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ORDER HERE, YOU KNOW IS THERE A DO WE DO WE HAVE A TOOL
AND THEN YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THESE TOOLS IN PLACE BEFORE THE ELECTION AND THEN DIDN'T USE THEM UNTIL THE ID OF AN EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCE OR IS THERE AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND THEN WE OR WHEN THEY SAY WE POLICE DEPARTMENT I YOU KNOW USES THE
THE FUNDS TO GET IT SO I YOU KNOW I JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH COMES FIRST THE THE CHICKEN OR THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES. I WOULD SAY THAT THE EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCES NECESSITATE WE FELT THAT THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES NECESSITATED THE ACQUISITION OF THESE TOOLS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER IS CONSTANTLY LOOKING TO US TO KIND OF ASSESS
THAT THREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR HIM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE IS BEST ABLE TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE TECHNOLOGIES AND TOOLS THAT YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COUNTER THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND YOU KNOW, IT REACHED A
LEVEL LAST FALL THAT WE WERE REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE CAPABILITIES IN PLACE. AND I THINK CONTINUE IN THAT PLACE UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE YEAR SO FAR THIS YEAR. OH, OKAY.
YEAH. I'M JUST MY COMMENT IS THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S THE SET UP HERE IS THAT THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST FOR ALL TIME. YOU KNOW THERE'S I DON'T THINK
THERE'S ARE DESIGNED TO NEVER END WELL I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT WE WE DID YOU KNOW IT WAS DELAYED I WILL YOU KNOW ADMIT TO THAT UNFORTUNATELY BUT WE WE
HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE AT THIS HEARING NOW. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF OUR CURRENT STANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN I GO TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN DO A SECOND
ROUND FOR THOSE, WE'LL NEED A SECOND ROUND WITH THIS PANEL BECAUSE I CAN YOU HAVE THE FOURTH THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR SANTANA SO YOU KNOW I, I THINK
FOR STARTERS THIS DOCUMENT THIS ORDINANCE IS ONLY 19 PAGES LONG SO I THINK ANYONE WHO WORKS IN THIS SPACE AND IS YOU KNOW POISED TO DEFEND THE BPD IS
WORK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE READ AND BE AN EXPERT ON THAT AND THAT'S WITH LOVE AND THAT'S WITH A LOT OF SUPPORT THAT I GIVEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL BUT I JUST LIKE THAT
RUBBED ME A LITTLE BIT THE WRONG WAY AND PARTICULARLY YOU KNOW THE THIRD SECTION OF THIS IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU BOTH NEED TO WRITE TO US WITHIN 30
DAYS AND THEN AFTER THOSE 30 DAYS THERE IS A SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY REPORT IMPACT REPORT THAT SHOULD EXIST AND IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CREATE THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS THEN THE
COMMISSIONER SENDS SOMETHING FOR AN EXTENSION AND THEN I JUST I, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THIS
ORDINANCE WAS CREATED BUT I THINK IF MY ENTIRE JOB WAS LIKE FACILITATING COMMUNITY TRUST BETWEEN THE ACT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT FOR ANY CITY COUNCILOR TO SAY THAT IT'S INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE BOTH READ THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE TO DO THE BEST JOB FOR THE COMMISSIONER WHICH I BELIEVE IS ONE OF THE BEST COMMISSIONERS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY LIKE THE STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THIS ORDINANCE SAYS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I YOU KNOW, BEFORE I WAS SORT OF GETTING READY FOR THIS HEARING, MY FIRST QUESTION WAS DOES THE ORDINANCE NEED TO BE
AMENDED TO GET A REAL TIME LETTER NOTIFICATION WHEN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE PROCLAIMED AND THE ORDINANCE ANSWERS MY OWN QUESTION IT CALLS FOR ALL OF THAT CALLS FOR A LETTER.
IT CALLS FOR A LETTER AFTER IT RECALLS FOR A REPORT. AND THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION IS EXIGENT EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES
ARE 30 DAYS OR HAVE WE BEEN USING THESE TECHNOLOGY SINCE OCTOBER 20, 24? SO I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND THE DEPUTY. WE HAVE READ THE ORDINANCE IN FULL. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A GOOD
WORKING UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCE. I WILL SAY I AM NOT A LEGAL EXPERT ON ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE A FORTUNATELY A GREAT SECTION OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT IS THAT FOR US. SO YOU KNOW OUR OPERATION
RESPONSIBLE ENTITIES YOU KNOW DO REQUIRE US TO RELY ON OTHERS TO DO SOME OF THOSE MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS FOR US FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I WOULD SAY THAT YES, WE HAVE BEEN USING
THE TOOLS SINCE THE EXIGENCY WAS SORT OF DEEMED EXIGENT BY THE COMMISSIONER LAST FALL. SO BASICALLY WE DIDN'T GET A LETTER WHEN IT WAS STARTED DIDN'T GET A LETTER OR LIKE WE
DIDN'T GET A REPORT AFTERWARDS. SO ARE WE PLANNING TO CREATE LIKE A REPORT LIKE THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR LIKE A OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IMPACT REPORT? HAS THAT BEEN CREATED? I BELIEVE THAT CAME OVER WITH
THE LETTER. OKAY. OKAY. AND I THINK I GUESS ON MY END I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
LIKE I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOURCE FEED AND SITE FEED ENTANGLES AND COURSE AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE BIAS WITHIN THOSE PLATFORMS
OF WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION THEY'RE SORT OF GATHERING. BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE EVERY FOUR YEARS AND EVERY SINGLE ELECTION THERE WOULD BE AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE OR YOU
KNOW OR COULD KNOW. SO IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE THE CITY COULD JUST OR THE BPD AND THE BRAC COULD COME BEFORE US EVERY ELECTION TO ASK FOR THAT
ABILITY IF IT'S RELATED TO THE ELECTION I GUESS WHAT I'D SAY ON THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION IS THAT YOU KNOW, THESE TOOLS ARE ALL USED BY, YOU KNOW, WELL-TRAINED HUMAN ANALYSTS WHO ARE TRAINED IN
COUNTERING THOSE INTRINSIC BIASES. AND SO WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT ANY TECHNOLOGY TOOL THAT WE USE, YOU KNOW, COULD INJECT BIAS INTO OUR ANALYSIS. AND SO WE'RE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, SENSITIVE TO THAT AND
HAVE A HEIGHTENED KIND OF AWARENESS OF THAT PARTICULARLY AROUND OPEN SOURCE, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT FOR SURE. YEAH. AND THIS ISN'T A CRITICISM OF DPD OR THE BRAC, IT'S LITERALLY A CRITICISM OF THE
FACT THAT WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH SO MANY TECHNOLOGY ISSUES THAT HAVE INTRINSIC BIAS AND SO IN CHOOSING WHAT TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE ARE BREC IS GOING TO USE.
I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AND THAT'S WHY THIS WHOLE AN ORDINANCE WAS CREATED SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD REVIEW WHAT TECHNOLOGY WAS BEING USED SO THAT THE CITY COULD HELP MAKE A GOOD YOU KNOW SO THAT
THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY COULD HELP MAKE DECISIONS IN THAT RESPECT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND I KNOW I'M COMING IN HOT BUT IT
IS JUST SURPRISING IT'S BEEN LIKE ALMOST AN ENTIRE YEAR. SO I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE ORDINANCE I MEAN THERE 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS IT'S LIKE SUPPOSED TO BE THAT
THE BASICALLY THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THE TECHNOLOGIES AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE WAY THE TECHNOLOGIES ARE BEING USED IF IF IT'S NOT APPROVED LIKE WITHIN 30 DAYS.
SO I THINK THAT THE REPORTING THAT HAS HAPPENED THERE I MEAN THAT IS HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT AND AS A CITY COUNCILOR I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT I'M FINDING OUT FROM REPORTING THAT WE HAVEN'T
APPROVED SOMETHING THAT IS BEING USED AND I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE PROP TEAM AND THANK YOU TO THE RIGHT TEAM. I KNOW WE ONLY HAD 4 MINUTES SO I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
COUNCILOR DURKAN WE'RE DOING A SECOND ROUND NOW SO IF YOU HAVE TIME IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS WE'LL BE HERE BECAUSE WE HAD YOU ON THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL OVERALL I MEAN EXCUSE ME COUNCILOR ARROYO, JANIE AND
THEN MICHELLE WOLF MAYOR FOR QUITE THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO IN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IT SAYS HERE A
SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS THE SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY AND THE REVIEW IT SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OVERSIGHT IN GENERAL. RIGHT. SO I'M NOT JUST REGULATED TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
I SEE YOU LOOKING AT THE CHAIR DID CHANGE FROM THE MOMENT THAT THIS WAS NOTICED AND THE MOMENT THAT YOU SAT DOWN JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING.
SO IT'S A SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS TOOL WHICH IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY USE AND THE SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY QUESTION YEAH, OKAY. SO I CAN ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO SURVEILLANCE TO NOT JUST REGULATE IT TO SOCIAL
MEDIA JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR BECAUSE I YES, BUT WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON ANY SPECIFIC OTHER TECHNOLOGY BESIDES THE TWO THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY AND IS THAT IS THAT INTENTIONAL BECAUSE?
THE HEARING ORDER SAYS SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY AND IF THERE'S SURVEILLANCE OTHER TOOLS BEING USED TO PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST ORDER IS THE ONE WITH
MONITORING OF THE RATS. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TOOLS THAT WE'RE USING OUTSIDE OF SOME SOCIAL MEDIA. YEAH. SO IT'S USE POLICY SO I CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE I TRY
TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER TOOLS AND I WAS REDIRECTED. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF I READ THE HEARING ORDER CORRECTLY IT SAYS SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY.
BUT WHEN I WENT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER TOOLS I WAS REDIRECTED AND SAID NO, THIS IS JUST ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT I AM UTILIZING MY TIME ABSOLUTELY AS YOU SEE FIT.
YEAH. SO JUST BECAUSE I MEAN IT DOES SAY SURVEILLANCE SHOWS POLICY BUT THE TWO TECHNOLOGIES THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE ONE WITH THE ROLL IT IN AND THE
ONE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA SO OKAY SO THEN THEN WE'RE OKAY. SO I THINK THE OTHER THINGS LIKE SHOTSPOTTER OR ANY OF THE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THOUGH WOULD BE A DIFFERENT HEARING FOR THOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SO SO THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS THE TOOLS THAT ARE DESCRIBED AS FOCUSED ON ANTI-TERRORISM AND THREAT IDENTIFICATION IN PRACTICE, HOW OFTEN ARE THEY
USED FOR OTHER CRIMES FOR EXAMPLE LARCENY, THEFT, DRUGS, GANG ACTIVITY VERSUS ANTI-TERRORISM? SO I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF OUR TOOLS ARE USED TO COUNTER KIND
OF BOTH TYPES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT WE SEE THERE ARE LIKE THE SOURCE AND SEARCH FIELD TOOL ARE MUCH MORE DIRECTLY FOCUSED IN THE COUNTERTERRORISM SPACE. SO I WOULD SAY IT HAS BEEN
INFREQUENT WHAT WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CROSSOVER THERE I WOULD SAY SO CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THEY JUST GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS SO THAT PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE 30%,
40% YOU KNOW, JUST BREAK IT DOWN IN NUMBERS. OH, I WOULD SAY THE SOURCE FEED AND SEARCH TOOLS ARE PROBABLY LIKE 95% IN THE SORT OF COUNTERTERRORISM SPACE COURSE IS A TOOL THAT IS ABLE
TO PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IT'S PROBABLY LIKE 65% CRIMINAL TRADITIONAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND THEN YOU KNOW, MAYBE 35% OR SO COUNTERTERRORISM BUT HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON KIND OF THE
INVESTIGATIVE MIX OF REQUESTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FROM OUR INVESTIGATORS AND YOU KNOW, OUR OWN INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON. I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO SHARED IN THE REPORT THAT SITES INQUIRIES
ARE BREAK ONLY. IS THAT TRUE? CORRECT. CURRENTLY THEY'RE USED BY PERSONNEL AND DO OTHER UNITS STILL SEARCH PUBLIC INFORMATION WITHOUT THOSE TOOLS?
YES, I BELIEVE SO. AND WHAT WHAT ARE THEY USING? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER LIKE PAID TOOLS THAT ARE IN USE IN THE DEPARTMENT. OKAY.
SO WHAT POLICIES GOVERNS THOSE PROCESSES LIKE HOW DO YOU GUYS GO ABOUT MAKING YOUR DECISIONS? SO I WOULD SAY OUR PRIVACY POLICY IS KIND OF THE OVERARCHING POLICY THAT WE DEFINITELY LOOK TO A LOT IN
THIS AREA WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AND ANALYZE AS THE PRIMARY POLICY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GENERAL DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES AND YOU KNOW, CITY ORDINANCES SUCH AS
THE TRUST ACT AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR OTHER GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, DATA MANAGEMENT PRACTICES . OKAY. YESTERDAY JULIE BERNSTEIN FROM DIGITAL FOUR SHARED THAT SOURCE
FEEDS AND SEARCH FEED WERE FIRST USE UNDER THE EXTENSION CIRCUMSTANCES AND I WANT TO I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO DEFINE FOR OUR AUDIENCE WHAT EXTENSION MEANS
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'RE THROWING AROUND WORDS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR YOU ALL. AND IN LATE 2020 AND THEN EXTEND IT WITHOUT
COUNCIL CONSULTATION. SO THAT HAPPENED WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THAT TIMELINE GIVEN THAT PPD NOW HAS SAID THAT TANGO IS BEING USED
UNDER STRINGENT CIRCUMSTANCES? SO WHAT PROCESSES WILL PREVENT THAT FROM REPEATING AGAIN? SO AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION I THINK WE ARE PERFECTLY WELL
HAPPY WITH THE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT COUNCILOR WEBER READ A FEW MINUTES AGO. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU I LIKE TO HEAR YOU SAY IT. I'LL ADMIT I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT OFTEN IN MY NOTES HERE AND
TO BE HONEST I'M SORRY. NO, I'M I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE SO WE WOULD GO WITH THE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO IT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I BETTER KNOW BETTER THAN COUNCILOR WHAT THOSE IT OKAY, BUT SO THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND CAN YOU JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH THE
TIMELINE? SO I WOULD SAY WE BELIEVE THE KIND OF EXIGENCY BUILT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE YEAR LAST YEAR AND THEN REALLY KIND OF PEAKED AS WE HEADED INTO THE ELECTION SEASON WE FELT THAT WE WERE REALLY KIND OF NOT
COMFORTABLE WITH OUR ABILITY TO ANALYZE AND REVIEW CONTENT PARTICULARLY IN THE OPEN SOURCE SOCIAL MEDIA SPACE, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO TO COUNTER THREATS.
YOU KNOW, AROUND THAT TIME FRAME. SO THAT KIND OF BUILT THROUGH THE EARLY FALL WE STARTED THAT TRIALS KIND OF IN THE LIKE OCTOBER TIME FRAME LEADING INTO THE ELECTION SEE YOU KNOW, KIND
OF AS THE ELECTION PEAK IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF THE ELECTION WE THOUGHT YOU KNOW, COULD BE A TIME OF YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY INCREASED THREAT. I THINK UNFORTUNATELY WE SAW YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE ELECTION KIND OF CONTINUED
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE THREAT ENVIRONMENT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CONCERNED US AND CONCERNED THE COMMISSIONER THAT WE FELT NECESSITATED OUR CONTINUED USE OF THE TOOLS. THANK YOU. AND MY LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I
KNOW I PROBABLY WON'T GET A THIRD ROUND HERE BUT JUST CURIOUS IF WITH A GUY YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DOCTORED
UP VIDEOS THAT HAVE SURFACED ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE DON'T TRUST PERIOD. I'M JUST CURIOUS KIND OF LIKE
HOW ARE YOU LIKE HOW ARE YOU REALLY LOOKING THROUGH THINGS WITH A LENS OF LIKE IS IT TRUE LIKE IS IT NOT LIKE I'M JUST SO CURIOUS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW
PEOPLE ARE OUT HERE BELIEVING ALL TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE AND SO YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS ESPECIALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST HAVE A BAD HABIT
OF UTILIZING TOOLS TO CAUSE HARM. SO HOW ARE YOU RECONCILING WITH THAT? I'LL TAKE THIS ONE. RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DETECTIVES PHYSICAL PEOPLE THAT WILL VET EVERY THING THAT COMES INTO THEIR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TRUE. SO WE WILL ASSIGN IT TO A DETECTIVE THAT WELL AND LOOK AT
WHAT WHAT WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE AND THEN IF DURING THE YEAR SOMEONE OR EVEN A DIFFERENT PART OF THIS OF THE STATE WILL ACTUALLY GO OUT AND TALK TO THESE PEOPLE TO SEE MAKE SURE
THIS IS A VIABLE THREAT, I WILL SAY WE'RE DEFINITELY BECOMING MORE AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AIR GENERATED CONTENT AND SORT OF OUR ABILITY TO YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE ANALYSTS YOU
KNOW, OUR GUESTS WERE DISCUSSING FREQUENTLY IN THE OFFICE FOR SURE MAKING SURE FRANKLY THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THAT. IT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WHEN WE GET NOTIFIED OF A THREAT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OFTEN TRYING TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS ACTUALLY ORIGINAL CONTENT, YOU KNOW, CREATED BY THE POSTER? IS IT SOMEONE REPOSTING THINGS? WE OFTEN SEE THAT PARTICULARLY UNFORTUNATELY WITH SCHOOL THREATS WE SEE A LOT
OF REPOSTING OF DIFFERENT CONTENT AND SO THAT CAN YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY MAKE THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS A LOT MORE CHALLENGING TO KIND OF NARROW IT BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL PERSON WHO'S POSTING IT AND I THINK FRANKLY
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. YEAH, AND I MY TIME WAS UP. YEAH. YEAH. WELL I HAVE A FEW MORE BUT IT'S
I WANT TO RESPECT LET ME GO TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO YOUR CUSTOMER HERE. THAT'S SO WEBER OKAY THANK YOU. YEAH I MEAN I DON'T ENVY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE
JUST HAD A HEARING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. PEOPLE ARE POSTING ALL KINDS OF OUTRAGEOUS STUFF AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE 99% OF IT JUST LEADS TO NOTHING BUT OF COURSE ,YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T OVERLOOK
THAT PERSON WHO'S REALLY INTENT ON CAUSING HARM. SO I DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, UNDER SELL THAT IMPORTANT WORK BUT JUST IN TERMS OF THE
ORDINANCE AND FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE, SO DO THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CONTINUE TO EXIST TODAY THAT OF THAT
ALLOWED THE USE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES WHEN YOU STARTED LAST YEAR? I THINK OUR ASSESSMENT IS YES. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS YOU KNOW I KNOW WE'RE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE BUT WE'RE YOU KNOW AND AT THE SAME TIME,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE BUT SO DO YOU YOU FEEL LIKE IN THIS LAST YEAR THAT THE THE POLICE ORDINANCE COMPLIED WITH THE ORDINANCE?
I WOULD SAY MAYBE NOT THE LETTER OF THE AUDIENCE LAW BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DO COMPLETELY COMPLY WITH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE IN THE TIME DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER. OKAY.
I WOULD SAY LIKE IN THE NOBODY CAN BE HAVE PREGNANT IF EITHER YOU'RE FOLLOWING IT OR NOT. I AGREE NOT DO YOU HAVEN'T MADE IT THERE TO COMPLY WITH IT? SO I MEAN I THINK YOU KNOW, IN
TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN D.C., YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE FAITH IN OUR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE POLICE CAN DO IS JUST YOU KNOW, IS REALLY TO
COMPLY WITH THIS THING BECAUSE IT'LL HELP US I GUESS IN TERMS OF I DON'T KNOW I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT UAC BUT YOU
MENTIONED VIOLENT DOMESTIC EXTREMISM OF YOU KNOW, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE U.S. APPLICATION THAT WE'RE THAT'S APPARENTLY GETTING FILED BY
SOMEONE HAS TAKEN THAT OUT AS A PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, WILL WE STILL BE USING THESE TOOLS TO MONITOR DOMESTIC VIOLENT EXTREMISM IF THAT GRANT HAS FAILED?
MOST DEFINITELY APPLICATION. OKAY. AND JUST I'M SURE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME JUST TO SHIFT GEARS A LITTLE BIT FOR VHA, YOU SAID
THAT THE TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT PICK UP HUMAN ACTIVITY OR NON CAN YOU JUST ADD THAT I'VE I'VE BEEN ASKED, YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A LITTLE
MORE INFORMATION THAT I CAN PASS ON OTHER THAN TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. AND I'LL GO AGAIN TO LUKE IN A SECOND. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE ORDINANCE BUT
I'M ALREADY ON SITE AT MILDRED HALEY, FOR EXAMPLE. ARE THESE SENSORS INSIDE OF BAIT BOXES. THOSE JUST PICK UP WHEN A RAT GOES INTO THE BAIT BOX. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PICKING
UP HUMANS BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET INTO THE BAIT BOXES. THOSE THE REASON WHY WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS OTHER TECHNOLOGY IS THAT AS WE ALL KNOW UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T GET ALL THE RATS INTO THE BAIT
BOXES, RIGHT? SO WE SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET A MORE HOLISTIC SENSE OF THE OF THE RAT PENETRATION AT THE SITES. SO THE IDEA OF THIS OTHER TECHNOLOGY IS THAT IT IS A CAMERA SYSTEM IT OPERATES AT
THAT SORT OF TWO FOOT LEVEL AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT IT MIGHT INITIALLY PICK UP A HUMAN LIKE FOOT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT. FOR INSTANCE SO THEN AND I'LL PASS IT TO LUKE THERE'S A
THERE'S A KIND OF BACKSTOP THERE THAT'S THE THE THE VIDEO THAT'S CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING IT'S ANALYZING IT FOR BASICALLY THAT LIKE DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A SMALL FURRY RODENT YES OR NO LIKE SORT OF QUESTION AND THAT
AFFECTS HOW LONG IT EVEN STORES THE TAPE IN THE FIRST PLACE SO THINGS THAT IT'S LIKE OH THESE ARE RATS IT STORES FOR UP TO 30 DAYS EVEN THE RATS WE DON'T KEEP LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BUT
THE ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T MATCH THAT KIND OF SMALL RODENT GETS DELETED I THINK YOU SAID IN 15 MINUTES. RIGHT SOMETHING IN 15 MINUTES AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE VIDEO IS STILL UP THERE BUT WE DID HAVE AN EXAMPLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE CAMERA FOOTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD JUST SAY BUILDING OFF OF ADMINISTRATOR BOX COMMENTS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DEPLOYING THESE DIFFERENT SENSORS AND ALSO THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AT RUTH BERKELEY IS BECAUSE COLLECTING DATA ON
RODENT TRENDS AND HOTSPOTS IS A KEY COMPONENT OF THE BOSTON ACTION PLAN. WE'RE DEPLOYING DIFFERENT INTERVENTIONS AND MITIGATION STRATEGIES AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE FOR THE COUNCIL FOR GIVING US INCREASED
FUNDING THIS YEAR TO HELP US PUT FORWARD SOME OF THOSE TECHNOLOGIES. BUT WE'RE USING THIS SENSORS TO KIND OF DEPLOY OUR DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND THEN SEE IF THE DATA TRENDS TREND DOWN TO
BETTER UNDERSTAND IF OUR MITIGATION WORKS AND THEN WE'LL BE MAKING LONG TERM INVESTMENTS USING THOSE DATA TO KIND OF GUIDE OUR STRATEGIES. OKAY. YEAH.
I MEAN MAYBE AFTER IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED THEN TO SHOW US WHERE IT DELETES THINGS OR YOU KNOW I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IT'S PEOPLE ARE SKEPTICAL BUT I HEAR
YOU AND EVEN IF IT'S TWO FEET HIGH SO THE HARM MAY BE REALLY NEGLIGIBLE DE MINIMIS. YEAH. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO I MEAN HONESTLY THE WE'RE DOING IT AT BERKELEY FIRST BECAUSE IT'S A
NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR US. SO I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO LIKE YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT ONCE IT'S UP WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T TURNED IT ON YET BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS. SO I THINK LIKE YOU KNOW, TURNING IT ON AND THEN SHOWING YOU GUYS OH THIS IS THE TYPE
OF THING IT DELETES IN 15 MINUTES AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT HOLDS ON FOR 30. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE INSTANTLY DEPLOYING IT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY. WE'RE DOING IT IN JUST ONE LOCATION FIRST. OKAY.
YEAH, JUST A COMMENT GOING BACK TO DPD, I THINK IN THE PAST I THINK MY STAFF FOUND AT LEAST ONE LIKE LETTER NOTIFYING THE CITY COUNCIL OF NEW TECHNOLOGY
SO I KNOW YOU GUYS NOW KNOW HOW TO HOW TO DO THIS SO LET'S LET'S START DOING THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILOR WHOEVER
COUNCILOR DURKAN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH SO I THINK THAT WHAT COUNCILOR WEBER SAID IS IS JUST MY FEELING IS THAT I KNOW THAT THIS REQUIRES A LOT
OF STAFF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BUT I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT CITY COUNCIL BE NOTIFIED AND THAT HONESTLY IF
THERE IS SOMETHING WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT IS THAT YOU GUYS CANNOT ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE CAN LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT OF COMMUNITY TRUST.
IT'S PARTLY WHY WHAT THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE IS WHAT I POINT TO WHEN I SUPPORT THE REC FOR FUNDING. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S FOR
THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WRESTLE LAUREL LAUREL'S ON WE'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH I THINK THAT WE COULD DO BETTER. I THINK THAT WE ARE WE SHOULD BE THE MODEL.
WE ARE THE MODEL BUT BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THE MODEL AND SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT IS DONE AND I KNOW THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO. I DID JUST WANT TO POINT I
THINK ONE OF YOUR EXAMPLES WAS ABOUT SORT OF POLITICAL EXTREMISM. I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS EVEN JUST IN MIDTERMS IT'S GOTTEN REALLY, REALLY ROTTEN.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE DEATH THREATS THAT HAVE HAD TO BE INVESTIGATED FOR ME I THINK THAT LIKE IT I, I DO WANT TO
JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHETHER WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT GETS THE SAME LEVEL OF SUPPORT BY THE BROOKE.
SO CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. WE'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM MANY
DIFFERENT PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND WE DON'T I MEAN IT DOESN'T MATTER SUPPORT THE BRIDGE. YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE ANY ANY ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS PUBLIC SAFETY OR HARM SOME
INDIVIDUAL WE DON'T WE WE NOT BIAS IN THAT WAY FOR WHO THAT PERSON IS STILL THE VICTIM IS IN OBVIOUSLY LIKE AROUND THE COUNTRY WE'VE THERE HAVE BEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT HAVE
BEEN EXECUTED RECENTLY SO IT'S I MEAN IT'S REALLY TOP OF MIND FOR I KNOW ANYONE IN THIS WORK JUST MAKING SURE THAT I MEAN I LOOK AROUND OF MY COLLEAGUES
AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE DON'T AGREE BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF IT'S NOT EASY FOR PUBLIC
OFFICIALS IN THESE TIMES. SO SO I WANT TO SWITCH TO RATS . I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. I THINK THAT SENSORS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT HAVING THERE BE SOME I MEAN I WANT IT TO BE IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHETHER YOU AGREE AND THANK YOU JOHN ALL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT
YOU DO. I HAVE A COUPLE OF AREAS I NEED TO TALK THAT NEED TO GET BAITED SO I'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS HEARING. ARE YOU ARE WE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS IN OTHER PLACES?
AND I'M EXCITED TO JOIN THE PUBLIC MEETING TONIGHT AS WELL . YEAH I CAN START AND THEN HANDED OVER TO JOHN BUT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO DEPLOY THE CENTERS ACROSS THE CITY TO TRACK RODENT ACTIVITY.
AS ADMINISTRATOR FOX SAID WE WANT TO SEE THE SUCCESS OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AT THIS LOCATION BEFORE MAKING THE DETERMINATION IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT. I WOULD SAY THAT THE BRAC TEAM IS DEPLOYING DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGIES ACROSS THE CITY INCLUDING IN DISTRICT EIGHT AND WE'RE WORKING WITH TREE PITS, BAITING SEWER TRAPS. SO I'LL LET JOHN KIND OF EXPLAIN MORE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
COUNCILOR, WE'RE WORKING ON ALL PARTS OF THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN TOLD TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND NOT PERMISSION ON THE WORK I'M DOING ON THE TREE PED SO HOPEFULLY GOOD AFTERNOON
COUNCILOR. YES WE ARE DOING STUFF IN THE BACK BAY NOT THIS PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY YET BUT WE DO HAVE SENSORS IN PUBLIC ALLEYS AND
LIKE YOU SAID LOOKING AT TREE PITS IN BEACON HILL TO WE'RE LOOKING TO DEPLOY THESE NEW
TECHNOLOGIES BUT ALSO MEASURE THEM SO THAT WE KNOW THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL SO THE THINGS THAT WE FIND HAVE AN IMPACT AND DECREASE RODENT ACTIVITY, WE WOULD LOOK TO SCALE THEM IN THE
FUTURE AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE HEARING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT MY PROPOSAL IS TO PUT OUT TRASH ON THE SAME DAY. I THINK THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
AND FORMER COUNCILOR BARK KNOWS KNOWS THIS ISSUE ALL TOO WELL BUT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IN OUR DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH TRASH ON THE STREETS FOR LONG PERIODS
OF TIME IN THE BACK BAY AND BEACON HILL AND ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL TRASH ARE LIKE THE TOP ISSUES THAT MY CONSTITUENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO WHETHER WE HAVE CAMERAS OR
SENSORS OR NOT, I THINK THAT MAKING SURE THAT I THINK KENZIE ONCE CALLED IT A RAT CAFE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE OFFERING IT YEAH SO TO ROB SO I THINK IS AS
MUCH AS WE CAN WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND PARTNERSHIP THE BETTER THAT MEANS LOOKING AT THE TRASH CONTRACT I MEAN SO MANY OTHER THINGS BUT BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE CHAIR FOR
YOUR INDULGENCE AND I'M GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DURKIN CANCELMI I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU. THINK OF YOU FOR A MINUTE.
I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR GIFT PANEL THAT WE HAVE. OH, OKAY. YEP. YEP. SO SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
ANOTHER HOUR I GUESS I WAS GETTING CONFUSED BY THE RAT SITUATION AND YOU GUYS LIKE JUST MADE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE BUT IT'S SURVEILLANCE NONETHELESS EVEN THOUGH IT'S RODENTS.
OKAY, GOT IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER AND DURING ONE OF OUR HEARINGS SAID THAT WE WERE NOT USING ANY A.I.
TOOLS AND TEN TANGO WHAT IS IT ? WHAT IS A TANGO IS THE TANGLES IS AN AI GENERATED OR IS IT
POWERED? IS IT A.I. NOT NOT THAT YOU KNOW NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF TO BE HONEST. OKAY, SO CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT TANGLES AS A.I. POWERED I CAN TRY TO CONFIRM
THAT WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY USING IT THOUGH I WILL SAY ARE YOU USING ANY AI POWERED TOOLS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE CURRENTLY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I WILL SAY I'M NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF LIKE EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY USED THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT BUT OUT OF THE BRICS PORTFOLIO WE ARE I'M NOT AWARE OF LIKE
SPECIFIC AI POWERED TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE. SO I GUESS THE REASON WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO THAT WHEN YOU ARE
NOT AWARE OF THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT RIGHT LIKE I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT LIKE I NEED A DEFINITE YOU ARE THE DIRECTOR OF BREC RIGHT? SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT EITHER WE ARE OR WE'RE NOT AND
YOU COULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT WITH CONFIDENCE SO I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE WITHIN THE BRICS PURVIEW THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE OPERATE WE ARE NOT
CURRENT. OKAY, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S GREAT. I'M HAPPY TO TO HEAR THAT AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE IF THE
CLOUD ENVIRONMENT STORING ANY RELATED DATA IS COMPROMISED SO ALL THE TECHNOLOGY APPLICATIONS WE UTILIZE WE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD REVIEW OF THEIR
SECURITY ARCHITECTURE AND THAT IT MEETS DIFFERENT FEDERAL STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE CYBERSECURITY REQUIREMENTS ARE NECESSARY AND YOU KNOW WE NEED
TO BE NOTIFIED OF ANY BREACHES. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO KIND OF REMEDY THAT OR CEASE OUR USE OF THAT APPLICATION FOR SURE. OKAY. SO ADVOCATES HAVE RAISED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT BRICS
PARTICIPATION IN THE FEDERAL TASK FORCES AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT ARE THE BRIGHT LINES YOU'VE SET SO THAT CIVIL IMMIGRATION OR POLITICAL LEADS
CANNOT BE REPACKAGED AS CRIMINAL TO OBTAIN CITY DATA DESCRIBE RECENT DENIALS TO SHOW THOSE LINES WORK IN PRACTICE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE NOT REALLY KIND OF IN THAT SPACE. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IN PLACE WITH
ALL OF OUR FEDERAL TASK FORCES AS WELL AS KIND OF OUR STANDARD ,YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH ANY REQUESTER. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A TASK FORCE ENVIRONMENT DOES NOT NECESSARILY ALLEVIATE THOSE ON YOUR REQUEST BASIS.
SO THOSE THAT WE HAVE THIS IS WHERE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH SHOWING UP FOR THIS HEARING PREPARED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE RELATED. BUT EVERY TIME I ASK A QUESTION THAT I THINK IS PERTAINING TO
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THERE IS KEEP BEING REDIRECTED. SO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING IF I CAN YOU ARE I CAN WE I CAN REPACKAGE IT SO
THAT IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA RELATED HOW ABOUT THAT SO I CAN GIVE SOME ANSWERS HERE. SO AS IT RELATES TO SOCIAL MEDIA, WHAT WHAT IF ANY
PARTICIPATION BREAK HAS WITH FEDERAL TASK FORCE AND AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN TERMS OF DATA SHARING SO I WOULD SAY THAT FEDERAL YOU KNOW AGENCIES
THAT WE WORK WITH DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT ACCESS TO THESE TOOLS OUT THERE IN USE BY BRICK PERSONNEL DIRECTLY AND NOT BY PEOPLE IN A TASK FORCE TYPE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT BRICK IS THE BOSTON REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER THAT GETS FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO
ANTI-TERRORISM AND CRIME WORK. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT. SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE FULLY PART OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER THE COMMISSIONER'S LEADERSHIP.
WE DO RECEIVE SOME FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING AND WE DO SOME SOME YEP WE SUPPORT IT'S ABOUT 20% OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET. THAT'S A LOT.
AND THEN YOU KNOW WE ARE THEY DO HAVE THAT SORT OF COUNTERTERRORISM RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND SO THROUGH THAT MECHANISM WE WORK WITH THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK FORCE AND HAVE OFFICERS ASSIGNED THERE
WHO FALL UNDER THE BRICS COMMAND AND CONTROL. SO IS THERE INFORMATION SHARING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA INTELLIGENCE GATHERING THAT YOU
REALLY SHARE WITH FEDERAL TASK FORCE? I WOULD SAY PURSUANT TO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, YES THERE IS AND PURSUANT TO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION SUCH AS I WOULD SAY COUNTERTERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE
ONGOING WHAT ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND NOT IMMIGRATION RELATED AND GANG ACTIVITY? YES, I KNOW MY TIME IS UP AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ANOTHER PANEL
AND I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL. I'LL JUST WAIT UNTIL WHENEVER WE HAVE A HEARING WHERE WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HERE
AND I WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS TODAY FOR BEING HERE AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. I AM GOING TO DISMISS THIS FIRST PANEL. I'M GOING TO ASK OUR SECOND
PANEL WHO HAS BEEN SO PATIENT HOW WITH US IF YOU CAN COME UP I KNOW THAT THERE'S OF HEART STOPS SO WE'LL TRY TO BE
RESPECTFUL OF THAT AS WELL. WELL, THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION PANEL THAT GOT US. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE HAVE THEM.
ALL RIGHT. SO NOW EVERYBODY UP MY KROG CROCKFORD, DIRECTOR OF PSYCHOLOGY FOR LIBERTY PROGRAM WITH THE ACLU
OF MASSACHUSETTS AND WE HAVE JULIE BERNSTEIN, CO-CHAIR OF DIGITAL FOURTH. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BE ON ZOOM SO I WAS SUPPOSED TO
MAKE IT AND I WANT TO THANK ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AS I SEE IT IN MY NOTES HERE AS I LOOK AS OFF. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER. I DON'T KNOW YET.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ABOUT HALF AN HOUR BEFORE SO I WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOU FOR OPENING STATEMENTS AND REMARKS AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE
ONCE AGAIN. THANKS SHERIFF SANTANA AND THANKS TO COUNSELORS WEBER AND MEJIA FOR STICKING AROUND. MY NAME IS KADE CROCKFORD. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE ACLU
OF MASSACHUSETTS. THANKS FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND FOR STICKING IT OUT. I DO HAVE TO LEAVE IT AT 510 SHARP I I HAVE ANOTHER
OBLIGATION THAT I HAVE TO GET TO. SO I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, A NOTE ABOUT PROCESS AND FIDELITY TO THE RULE OF LAW. SO FOLLOWING COMMENTS THAT COUNCILORS WEBER AND DURKIN MADE, IT IS DEFINITELY
DISAPPOINTING AND CONCERNING TO SEE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN USING THE SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT COUNCILOR APPROVAL FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR. THE ORDINANCE IS VERY CLEAR IT'S NOT COMPLICATED.
THE DEPARTMENT CAN'T LAWFULLY USE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT HASN'T BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY BY THE COUNCIL EXCEPT IN TIME LIMITED EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES, EXIGENT
CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S A LEGAL CONCEPT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH AND IT DOES NOT MEAN A PERMANENT STATE OF EMERGENCY. IT IS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE
TO MEAN A TIME LIMITED TRUE EMERGENCY PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT A SPECIFIC THREAT NOT VAGUE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL YOU KNOW, POLITICAL
SITUATIONS BEING SORT OF UNWIELDY IN THE COUNTRY. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THAT IN THIS CASE THE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LAW CITING THESE BIG UNSPECIFIED THREATS RELATED TO
THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. THAT IS NOT EXIGENT. I DON'T THINK ANY COURT WOULD SEE THAT AS EXIGENCY THAT ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, CONDUCT A SEARCH WITHOUT
A WARRANT, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE DEFINES EXIGENCY. SO THAT CONSTITUTES A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE LAW AND GOING FORWARD WE HOPE THE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT MAKE A HABIT OUT OF VIOLATING THE LAW AND WILL
INSTEAD COME TO SEEK COUNCIL APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF TECHNOLOGY AS IS REQUIRED BY THE BY THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THE SECOND THING IS JUST SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA
MONITORING SPEECH CAN LOOK REALLY BAD AND NOT BE CRIMINAL . I THINK MANY OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CONCEPT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A WORLD TODAY WHERE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ISSUING RACIST DOG WHISTLES FROM OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA, SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS RUN BY FEDERAL AGENCIES. JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF DISGUSTING RHETORIC THAT
WE'RE SEEING COMING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TODAY AND THE YOU KNOW, MAGA MOVEMENT MORE BROADLY IN RECENT YEARS AS YOU KNOW IN PART RELATED TO THESE EVENTS MANY SOCIAL MEDIA
PLATFORMS HAVE BECOME TOTALLY OVERRUN WITH RACIST, ANTI-IMMIGRANT, ANTI-GAY, MISOGYNISTIC CONTENT ALL OF THIS IS DISTASTEFUL TO MANY OF US MYSELF INCLUDED, BUT
VANISHINGLY LITTLE OF IT IS CRIMINAL IN NATURE RIGHT. AND IN THE UNITED STATES WE CARE ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION AND THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING SOMETHING DISGUSTING AND NASTY
TO SOMEONE AND COMMITTING A CRIME SO LET'S LOOK AT A DIFFERENT CASE, ONE THAT MAYBE IS SORT OF MORE APT TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HAVING RELATED TO SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE AND
THAT'S ABOUT LET'S TAKE THE PHRASE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA. RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT IS THAT TERRORISM? IS IT EXPRESSION OF MATERIAL SUPPORT FOR TERRORISM? SOME PEOPLE SAY YES.
OTHER PEOPLE SAY NO. THAT'S A CLEAR CRY FOR FREEDOM RIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WELL, THAT'S A REAL DEBATE. WHO DECIDES RIGHT?
WHO DECIDES WHAT CONSTITUTES SPEECH THAT, YOU KNOW, PUSHES AGAINST THE BORDER AND FALLS OVER THE EDGE INTO SOMETHING THAT CONSTITUTES A THREAT OR A
CRIME? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW APPARENTLY MAYBE MAYBE BOSTON POLICE ANALYSTS ARE DECIDING THAT. SO WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE BP BP
PROVIDE IS TO THE COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO THESE SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING TOOLS IS ANY CONTEXT ABOUT HOW THE BPD ITSELF VIEWS THESE DEBATES. HOW DOES THE BOSTON POLICE
DEPARTMENT DETERMINE WHEN SPEECH CROSSES OVER INTO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? HOW DOES BPD USE THESE TOOLS TO TRACK AND MONITOR POLITICAL EXPRESSION WHEN IT IS NOT TIED
TO SPECIFIC CRIMINAL ACTS OR SUSPICION OF SPECIFIC CRIMINAL ACTS AND THERE'S SOME RELEVANT HISTORY HERE THAT FRANKLY DOES NOT REFLECT WELL ON THE DEPARTMENT DOCUMENTS OBTAINED
BY MY OFFICE ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO SHOW THAT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS USING SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE TOOLS TO TRACK BLACK LIVES MATTER ACTIVITY. A STUDENT WALK OUT AT BEEPS AND
ORDINARY SPEECH THAT MUSLIMS WERE ENGAGING IN ON SOCIAL MEDIA TALKING USING JUST LIKE REGULAR ISLAMIC TERMS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE OR TERRORISM OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
OF ANY KIND. SO NONE OF THIS STUFF WAS CONNECTED TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BUT ALL OF THIS CONTENT WAS BEING SWEPT UP BY THE BY THE BRICK. AS FAR AS WE KNOW THERE HAVEN'T
BEEN ANY POLICY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AT THE BREAK SINCE WE DISCOVERED THOSE THINGS. SO THOSE CONCERNS REMAIN MORE BROADLY SPEAKING THE ACLU AND MANY OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING GROUPS
LIKE THE BRENNAN CENTER FOR JUSTICE HAVE LONG EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE CAN INFRINGE ON CONSTITUTIONAL OUR RIGHTS TO SPEAK FREELY AND FREE FREELY ASSOCIATE. SO THERE'S A REALLY GOOD REPORT FROM THE BRENNAN CENTER ON THIS
VERY ISSUE THAT I RECOMMEND TO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO THIS MORE AND THEY FOUND QUOTE THE DELETERIOUS EFFECT OF SURVEILLANCE ON FREE
SPEECH HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED IN EMPIRICAL RESEARCH. ONE RECENT STUDY FOUND THAT AWARENESS OR FEAR OF GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE OF THE INTERNET HAD A SUBSTANTIAL CHILLING EFFECT AMONG BOTH U.S. MUSLIMS
AND BROADER U.S. SAMPLES OF INTERNET USERS. SO IN A LESS ACADEMIC WAY, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS WATCHING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ONLINE, IT
CHANGES PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR. RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT AND THAT'S NOT GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO CHILL PEOPLE'S SPEECH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL ISSUES OR THEIR RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL FREE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR RELIGIOUS PRACTICE WITHOUT WORRYING THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PUT THEM ON SOME WATCH LIST BECAUSE THERE ARE MUSLIM THERE ARE ALSO RACIAL, RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL
ISSUES AT PLAY HERE. IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER THE ANALYSTS REVIEWING THESE SOCIAL MEDIA MATERIALS HAVE THE PROPER CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS THAT WOULD HELP THEM UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE IN CONTEXT. SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REAL
CONCERNS ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF EVEN SLANG LIKE HIV. YOU KNOW, YOUNG PEOPLE TALK IN A WAY THAT IS JUST COMPLETELY INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO ME. MY NEPHEW TALKS ABOUT DJIBOUTI
TOILET LIKE HONESTLY WHAT GENUINELY WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW YOUNG PEOPLE JUST USE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORDS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN. SO YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE
EITHER AT THIS SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND OR AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY STEEPED IN THE CULTURAL LANGUAGE PRACTICES OF EVEN AMERICANS
BORN IN BOSTON LET ALONE, YOU KNOW FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. I SORT OF FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. THESE CULTURAL ISSUES ARE OBVIOUSLY PRESENT IN ALL AREAS OF OUR SOCIETY BUT WITH TOOLS
LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING IN THE HANDS OF THE POLICE A MISUNDERSTANDING OR A LACK OF FLUENCY AND YOU KNOW, THE ABSENCE OF PROPER CONTEXT COULD LEAD TO REAL HARM FOR SOMEONE WHO'S MAKING A JOKE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PERCEIVED BY THE POLICE TO BE SOMETHING DANGEROUS. YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COPS ARE AT THEIR DOOR. SO THESE TOOLS DO POSE A REAL THREAT TO OUR FUNDAMENTAL
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ON THE OTHER HAND, THOUGH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT THEY WORK. SO AGAIN, THE BRENNAN CENTER, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY DID A BUNCH OF PILOT PROGRAMS LOOKING AT SOCIAL
MEDIA MONITORING IN 2016, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY PILOTED A BUNCH OF SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING PROGRAMS OTHERS LATER THAT YEAR AND IN 2017 AN INSPECTOR
GENERAL AUDIT OF THOSE PROGRAMS . THE DHS INSPECTOR GENERAL FOUND THAT THE DEPARTMENT HADN'T EVEN TRIED TO MEASURE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS ESSENTIALLY
RENDERING THEM TOTALLY YOU KNOW ,USELESS. SO IF THESE PRESUMABLY IF THESE PROGRAMS HAD BEEN OF VALUE TO DHS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TELL THE IG OH YEAH, YOU
KNOW WE IDENTIFIED THIS TERRORIST, WE STOPPED THIS PLOT BUT NOTHING OF THE SORT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE INSPECTOR. SO THE CONCLUSION I THINK THAT YOU CAN DRAW IS THAT THEY WERE
NOT USEFUL AT ALL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA THING IS THAT WE HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE OUTSOURCING
OF GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS TO A PRIVATE ENTITY ,THE SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY PUBLIC OVERSIGHT OR SCRUTINY. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT THEY HOLD? HOW DO THESE ANALYSTS DETERMINE WHAT CONSTITUTES A THREAT AND WHAT IS POLITICAL SPEECH? WHERE DO THEY DRAW THE LINE ON A QUESTION LIKE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA WE HAVE NO IDEA
BECAUSE THIS COMPANY IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEMOCRATIC OVERSIGHT OR ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT'S A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM PARTICULARLY WHEN SERIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS LIKE SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS.
SO TAKING A STEP BACK, YOU KNOW THIS THESE THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TODAY ARE ABOUT TOOLS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGIES THAT THE BPT IS USING TO CONDUCT
SURVEILLANCE OF PEOPLE'S INTERNET SPEECH. BUT THE LARGER ISSUE AND THE ONE THAT THE ACLU WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD IS AS WE DISCUSSED AT YESTERDAY'S HEARING, THE CITY
LACKS COMPREHENSIVE CIVIL LIBERTIES LAW TO PROTECT SPEECH FROM IMPROPER SURVEILLANCE NO MATTER HOW THAT SURVEILLANCE IS CONDUCTED SO PEOPLE WHO ARE POSTING ABOUT RELIGIOUS OR SOCIAL ISSUES ONLINE THEY
SHOULDN'T HAVE WORRY THAT THEIR POSTS ARE GOING TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE POLICE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL. BOSTON NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BY IMPLEMENTING CLEAR LAW AND POLICY TO PREVENT THE
POLICE FROM COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION WHEN THERE IS NO SUSPICION OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. AND WE ARE VERY MUCH LOOKING
FORWARD TO ENGAGING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL ON THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT HOW TO ACHIEVE THAT. SO THANK YOU. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS JULIE BERNSTEIN.
SHARE SANTANA COUNSELORS WEBER HERE AND DURKIN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY. I REPRESENT DIGITAL FOURTH, A LOCAL CIVIL LIBERTIES ORGANIZATION THAT ADVOCATES FOR
RIGHTS UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. DIGITAL FOURTH IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT INVASIVE SEARCHES, SEARCHES OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND SHOUTS WITHOUT A PARTICULARIZED WARRANT BASED UPON PROBABLE CAUSE BECAUSE
THIS CAN LEAD TO FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE AND TO THE RETROSPECTIVE SEARCHING OF PEOPLE'S COMMUNICATIONS IN ORDER TO CHARGE THEM WITH ANYTHING THAT MIGHT STICK. WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED THAT
PORING OVER THESE DATABASES IS A DISTRACTION FROM REAL THREATS . AS I TESTIFIED YESTERDAY, WE HAVE EVERY REASON TO FEAR THAT SURVEILLANCE DATA COLLECTED BY THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ACCESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND STATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OUTSIDE MASSACHUSETTS. IT MAY BE USED TO ARREST PEOPLE COMING TO MASSACHUSETTS TO RECEIVE MEDICAL CARE THAT IS LEGAL IN OUR STATE TO DEPORT IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIMES AND EVEN
CITIZENS INCLUDING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES OR OFFICIALS IN MASSACHUSETTS. THAT'S WHOSE FUTURE WRITING IS REGARDING REGARDED AS A THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY OR FOREIGN POLICY GOALS SINCE 911, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
SURVEIL SOCIAL MEDIA AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL TERRORISTS. THERE IS LITTLE EVIDENCE TO DOCUMENT THE EFFICACY OF THIS SURVEILLANCE. WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW OUR ONLINE INFORMATION CAN BE
GROSSLY MISINTERPRETED FROM THE TRIAL ISRAEL CARD TSARNAEV WHO PERPETRATED THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING DURING THIS TRIAL, TSARNAEV'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY MIRIAM CONRAD REVEALED THAT FBI
SPECIAL AGENT STEPHEN KIMBALL MISTOOK A PHOTOGRAPH IN TSARNAEV'S TWITTER ACCOUNT FOR THE MUSLIM HOLY SITE OF MECCA WHEN IT WAS IN FACT A MOSQUE IN CHECHNYA. SHE SHOWED THAT TWITTER POSED THAT AGENT KIMBALL HIGHLIGHTED
AS DEMONSTRATING TSARNAEV'S RADICALIZATION WERE ACTUALLY LYRICS FROM POP SONGS AND QUOTES FROM COMEDY SHOWS. AND IN A PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE, AGENT KIMBALL MISIDENTIFIED A QUOTE AS THE
WORDS OF ANWAR AL-AWLAKI AL AWLAKI, WHO IS A RADICAL AL KITE WAS A RADICAL AL QAEDA AFFILIATE HATED CLERIC. BUT IT WAS REALLY A QUOTE FROM THE KORAN.
ONLINE SURVEILLANCE HAS LED FBI AGENTS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE EITHER COMMUNICATED AT SOME POINT WITH THE TERRORIST GROUP OR POSTED EXTREMIST RHETORIC ONLINE TO TAKE VIOLENT ACTION. IN JUNE OF 2023, 18 YEAR OLD
MATEO VENTURA OF WAKEFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS WAS ARRESTED FOR KNOWINGLY CONCEALING THE SOURCE OF MATERIAL SUPPORT OR RESOURCES THAT HE INTENDED TO GO TO A FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S CRIMINAL COMPLAINT REVEALED THAT THE TERRORIST WHO MATEO WAS ACCUSED OF CONTACTING WAS AN UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT WHO AS HE INTERACTED WITH MATEO ONLINE, PRETENDED TO BE AN ISIS MEMBER FROM THE TIME
THAT MATEO WAS 16 YEARS OLD, THE AGENT ENCOURAGED HIM TO DONATE TO AND JOIN ISIS WHILE INSTRUCTING HIM TO KEEP ONLINE RELATIONSHIP A SECRET WHEN THE
FBI MOVED MATEO TOWARDS WHILE THE FBI MOVED MATEO TOWARDS TERRORISM IS SURVEILLANCE OF SOCIAL MEDIA CHATS FAILED FOR MONTHS TO NOTICE THE JACK TO SARAH WHO WAS ALSO IN
MASSACHUSETTS WAS LEAKING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT SECRETS GROUPS THAT PUBLICLY PROTESTS HAVE AND SURVEILLED BY THE BRIG IN BOSTON FOR OVER A DECADE AND HAVE INCLUDED VETERANS FOR PEACE STOP THE WARS COALITION
OCCUPY WALL STREET CODE PINK AND MORE RECENTLY BLACK AND MUSLIM ACTIVISTS IN 2014 AND 2015 THE BRICK WAS USING GRAFFITI AS SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE THE AIM OF IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL MUSLIM
TERRORISTS THEY USE KEYWORDS WITHOUT CONTEXT TO SEARCH THE SOCIAL MEDIA DATABASE THAT INCLUDED ASIS CALIPHATE AS WELL AS ARABIC WORDS INCLUDING OOMA WHICH MEANS COMMUNITY ALONG WITH THE HASHTAG MUSLIM LIVES
MATTER MANY WHO WERE NOT TERRORISTS MAY HAVE DISCUSSED ISIS IN THE CALIPHATE AT THIS TIME AND FLAGGING OF UMAR AND MUSLIM LIVES MATTER IS ANTI-MUSLIM. THE BPD ALSO FLAGGED BOSTON
CITY COUNCILOR TITO JACKSON FOR MENTIONING FERGUSON IN A 2014 FACEBOOK POST ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY. SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES WERE SO DISTURBED BY REPORTS FROM THE ACLU OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
ABOUT THE USE OF GRAFFITI BY POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY TERMINATED GRAFFITI ACCESS TO THEIR POSTS IN OCTOBER OF 2020 FOR THE WORK BEGAN USING THE HIGHLY INVASIVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND CHAT ANALYSIS TOOLS SOURCE
FEED AND SEARCHED FEED UNDER EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES. THE POLICE COMMISSIONER WAS SUPPOSED TO EITHER SUBMIT A SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT OR TO HAVE ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF THIS
SURVEILLANCE TOOL BEYOND 30 DAYS. INSTEAD THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT SIGNED CONTRACTS FOR THESE TOOLS IN FEBRUARY 2025 THE CITY COUNCIL WAS DEPRIVED OF THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER OR
ENACT ANY GUARDRAILS FOR THE WHICH ARE USED TO INVESTIGATE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE IN WHICH SWEEP IN MANY POTENTIALLY INNOCENT CONTACTS OF THE TARGETS WHEN FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACCESS BRICKS DATA WHICH THEY CAN ALREADY DO THROUGH JOINT TERRORISM TASK FORCE MEMBERS OR ONSITE DHS OFFICIALS INDIVIDUALS COULD BE LURED INTO COMMITTING CRIMES OR
IMMEDIATELY DEPORTED BECAUSE OF SPEECH THAT IS INTERPRETED AS A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT OR THREAT TO OUR FOREIGN POLICY . IN 2022 THERE WAS A DEMONSTRATION BY THE PATRIOT
FRONT IN BOSTON ANTI PROTESTERS WHO SHOWED UP AT THE RALLY ALERTED THE POLICE ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATION YET POLICE FAILED TO PREVENT AN ATTACK ON A BLACK MAN WHO WAS FILMING THE EVENT.
A RECENT STORY ABOUT A 13 YEAR OLD EIGHTH GRADE GIRL WHO WAS UNJUSTIFIABLY INTERROGATED, STRIP SEARCHED AND SENT TO JAIL OVERNIGHT AFTER BEING FLAGGED BY GOOGLE, A WIDELY USED SCHOOL SURVEILLANCE SOFTWARE PROGRAM
IS INSTRUCTIVE ABOUT HOW EVEN SOCIAL MEDIA SURVEILLANCE SOFTWARE THAT HAS BEEN IN USE FOR YEARS MISCHARACTERIZES INTENT. ACCORDING TO THE MERCURY NEWS ONE SCHOOL DAY THE GIRL'S FRIENDS TEASED HER ABOUT HER
TANNED COMPLEXION AND THEY CALLED HER MEXICAN EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NOT MEXICAN. LATER DAY WHEN A FRIEND ASKED HER WHAT SHE WAS PLANNING FOR THURSDAY, SHE WROTE SHE WROTE ON THURSDAY WE KILL ALL THE
MEXICO'S SHE WAS IMMEDIATELY APPREHENDED BY POLICE. HER MOTHER WHO IS NOW SUING THE SCHOOL RECOGNIZED THAT THE COMMENTS WERE WRONG AND STUPID BUT FELT THAT THEIR CONTEXT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE NOT A THREAT, SHE SAID, REFERRING TO
HER DAUGHTER'S ARREST. IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE IS THIS THE AMERICA WE LIVE IN? AND IT WAS THIS STUPID STUPID TECHNOLOGY THAT IS JUST GOING THROUGH PICKING UP RANDOM AND NOT LOOKING AT CONTEXT.
WE WOULD LIKE THIS COMMITTEE TO THOROUGHLY CONSIDER THE BENEFITS VERSUS THE RISKS OF USING INVASIVE SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING TOOLS. WE REGULARLY HEAR BELLICOSE RHETORIC INCLUDING THREATS OF VIOLENCE FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE MUST BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT TO CLASSIFY WRITTEN THREATS ONLINE AS EVIDENCE OF SOMEONE'S VIOLENT INTENTIONS UNLESS THEY SPECIFIC ACTUALLY THREATEN ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. IN OUR VIEW IT WOULD BE A
BETTER INVESTMENT HAVE POLICE AT THE READY TO SHOW UP FOR DEMONSTRATIONS BY KNOWN GROUPS THAT ESPOUSE VIOLENCE THAN TO PAY FOR INVASIVE SOCIAL MEDIA SEARCHES IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY
EMERGING GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NEVER EVEN SHOW THEIR FACE IN PUBLIC LET ALONE ENGAGE IN VIOLENCE. AT THE VERY LEAST WE WOULD LIKE THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO IMMEDIATELY DELETE THEIR RECORDS OF ANY SEARCH RESULTS
THAT DO NOT SHOW EVIDENCE THAT A CRIME WAS OR IS GOING TO BE COMMITTED AND WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW EACH TYPE OF SOFTWARE THAT THE BPD IS USING TO SHARE DATA WITH
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THESE IN OUR WRITTEN REPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR TESTIMONIES.
WE'RE GOING TO GO NOW TO OUR COUNSELOR'S QUESTIONS STARTING WITH COUNSELOR MARIA, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE HEART STOP AND I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE HERE SOMETIMES I
THINK HEARING FROM YOUR FIRST SETS ME UP FOR MORE SUCCESS TO GO AT THE ADMINISTRATION. BUT DON'T WORRY I'LL PUT ALL MY QUESTIONS FOLLOW UPS LATER.
BUT I AM CURIOUS AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU EITHER WANT TO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS BUT FROM YOUR HOW WOULD YOU IMPROVE OUR
SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE? LIKE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AMENDMENTS I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THOSE ARE ON THE RECORD SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT WORK AND WHAT OTHER POLICIES OR PROCEDURES DO YOU THINK THE BOSTON POLICE
DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO MEMORIALIZE? AND WE HEARD TODAY ABOUT SOME CASES THAT WERE SOCIAL MEDIA TOOLS HELP CLOSE A CASE AND HOW
CAN WE BALANCE THE BENEFITS OF THE TOOLS AND CIVIL RIGHTS? I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME THERE'S SOME WORK THAT WE COULD DO THERE AND SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU ALL TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THAT AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO HAS UTILIZED MY PLATFORM AND MY MICROPHONE TO REALLY GO HARDER
ON CIVIL LIBERTIES, I KNOW THAT OFTENTIMES YOU KNOW, YOU JUST REFERENCE A COUNCILOR JACKSON WHO WAS ALSO JUST AS RAMBUNCTIOUS AS I AM AT TIMES AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE
CAN BECOME TARGETS EASY RIGHT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AND I'M JUST CURIOUS KIND OF LIKE WHAT THOSE PROTECTIONS COULD LOOK LIKE
EVEN FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO YOU KNOW I KNOW FOR ME I'VE BEEN REALLY VOCAL AROUND MY BASIC DISCOURSE HERE AND YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE IN SOMEBODY'S
ENEMY LIST AND YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE FIND OURSELVES WITH PROTECTION EVEN AS ELECTED OFFICIALS? WELL COUNCILOR MEJIA THAT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. OKAY.
SO LET ME START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THE ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE IT? I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD DO. ONE WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE THAT
SAYS THE THE COUNCIL SHALL HOLD A HEARING ANNUALLY TO DISCUSS THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORTS BY MAY 31ST. THAT GIVES US A GENERAL SENSE OF EXPECTATION AROUND WHEN THE
ADMINISTRATION SHOULD DELIVER THOSE REPORTS. BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS BY X DATE EACH YEAR THE ADMINISTRATION SHALL TRANSMIT
THOSE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT THAT WE SHOULD FIX JUST TO MAKE THINGS CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD DO.
ANOTHER THING WOULD BE TO PERHAPS ADD A LITTLE MORE MEAT TO THE BONE WITH RESPECT TO THIS EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES
EXCEPTION I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING THE REASON THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WERE A PUBLIC
SAFETY EMERGENCY LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING OR I MEAN EVEN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH VIOLENCE BUT INVOLVES LIKE A MASS CATASTROPHE, LIKE A
FLOOD THAT YOU KNOW, RESULTS IN A BUILDING COMING DOWN LIKE WHAT WE SAW IN MIAMI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE WOULDN'T WANT THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THE BPD BEING
ABLE TO USE A TECHNOLOGY ON THE SCENE OF AN EVENT THAT COULD HELP THEM COLLECT EVIDENCE THAT THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, TO PURSUE SOME SORT OF INVESTIGATION OR
TO SAVE LIVES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS NOT INTENDED AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR THIS. AS I SAID BEFORE, IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT INTENDED TO SAY IF
THERE ARE UNCERTAIN POLITICAL DYNAMICS IN THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, THE BPD CAN USE WHATEVER SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES IT WANTS WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THERE MAY BE A WAY THAT WE
CAN CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE. BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THE LANGUAGE AROUND THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORTS COULD BE CLEARER JUST SO THAT THERE'S A VERY CLEAR DEADLINE BY WHICH THOSE NEED TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS.
YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. ONE IS THE PROCESS FOR REVOKING AN EXISTING TECHNOLOGY IS VERY ARDUOUS AND I THINK THAT IT
NEEDS REFORM SO THAT THERE'S A SIMPLER WAY THAT IF A TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED AND HAS BEEN USED BUT THERE ARE NOW SERIOUS ISSUES OF CONCERN ABOUT IT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE A LPR IS
NOW CONCERNING A WHOLE DIFFERENT REALM BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE TO ACCESS MEDICAL CARE HERE FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE IMMIGRANTS HERE WHICH I'VE DISCUSSED IN
YESTERDAY'S REPORT WHO LITERALLY HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW, HAD THEIR CARS ATTACKED BY ICE AFTER BEING IDENTIFIED A LPR SO
WE WE NEED A SYSTEM NOT ONLY THAT COULD REVOKE BUT ALSO COULD ALLOW THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE TO ENABLE THE COMMITTEE MORE EASILY TO SET UP
GUARDRAILS THEY FIND OKAY, WE NOW HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY YEAH YOU WANT USE IT FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE RETRIEVING A CHILD WHO'S BEEN KIDNAPED BUT WE DON'T WANT IT USED FOR CERTAIN
OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE NEEDS A BETTER WAY OF ALLOWING CONSTRAINTS ON TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN
APPROVED AND OF DISAPPROVING TECHNOLOGIES THAT SEEM LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN SERIOUS JEOPARDY RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THAT'S MY FIRST
THOUGHT. MY OTHER THOUGHT IS THAT THERE ISN'T REALLY I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS THAT DATA
NOT BE RETAINED UNLESS IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU'RE PURSUING A CRIMINAL AND THERE'S A LOT OF SEARCHING THAT GOES ON WHETHER IT'S A HUGE DATABASE
FULL OF, YOU KNOW, NON HITS IN OTHER WORDS VEHICLES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AS STOLEN OR PARTICIPANTS IN A CRIME THERE SAME THING WHEN YOU'RE SEARCHING THIS SOCIAL MEDIA
THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE KNOW WHETHER THESE SEARCHES DISAPPEAR AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME UP WITH THEM IF THEY DON'T IF THEY'RE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH
PLANS TO COMMIT A CRIME OR HAVEN'T COMMITTED A CRIME, I THINK THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO HAVE PRESCRIPTIONS ABOUT DATA RETENTION IN THE CASE WHERE THERE IS NO CRIME ASSOCIATED
WITH WHOEVER THEY'VE IDENTIFIED IN THESE SEARCHES. THEN WE NEED TO JUST PURGE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND NEVER MIND THAT. WELL, THEY MAY BE PLANNING TO
DO SOMETHING LATER SO WE NEED TO JUST HOLD ON TO THIS. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS PREMISE IN THESE TIMES BECAUSE JUST LIKE WITH THE GANG DATABASES BEING
ACCESSED BY ICE TO LITERALLY ROUND PEOPLE UP WITHOUT FURTHER OF HOW DID THEY LAND IN THOSE GANG DATABASES WAS DID THEY EVER COMMIT A CRIME? THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN WITH
ALL OF THESE OTHER DATABASES THEY WILL BE USED TO PINPOINT PEOPLE AND THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER EXAMINATION AND DUE PROCESS AND THEREFORE I THINK THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS
THAT. MY TIME IS UP AND CASE SO I YIELD THE REST. THANK YOU. CONSIDER MEJIA COUNSELOR
WHETHER YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YEAH, I THINK JUST YOU KNOW ASSUMING EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE AS IT'S DEFINED GENERALLY
IN THE COURTS AND I NEED TO READ MORE CASES BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S BASICALLY YOU KNOW THERE'S A MISSOURI VERSUS MCNEELY THE SUPREME COURT SAID A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES MAY
GIVE RISE TO AN EXIGENT EXIGENCY SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY A WARRANTLESS INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT'S NEED TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE TO AN
OCCUPANT OF A HOME, ENGAGE IN HOT PURSUIT OF A FLEEING SUSPECT OR ENTERING A BURNING BUILDING TO PUT OUT A FIRE AND INVESTIGATE ITS CAUSE. SO IT'S LIKE YEAH, WE CAN'T TO
THE COURT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE, YOU KNOW OR THIS PERSON IS RUNNING AWAY AND THEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE
ALLOWED TO NOT HAVE A WARRANT TO ENGAGE IN THE ACTIVITY THE IDEA THAT WE'RE JUST CREATING A YEAR'S LONG EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE SEEMS BIZARRE TO
ME. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING GETTING TO WHAT WE'RE MORE WE COULD REVISE YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO THERE'S THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT THE USE OF A NEW TECHNOLOGY.
WITHOUT THAT THEY DIDN'T SEEK APPROVAL FOR WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE END OF THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES IT IF A CIRCUMSTANCE GOES ON FOR IN PERPETUITY YOU WOULD NEVER SO
MAYBE JUST TO REPORT THAT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE 30 DAYS OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A SECRET 30 DAYS AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT
ACTUALLY IF IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT SO YEAH I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. YEAH THAT SOUNDS I MEAN THAT SOUNDS RIGHT OR AT LEAST WITHIN
LIKE YOU KNOW WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE BEGINNING OF THE SEARCH. YEAH, THAT'S YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S LIKE IF THERE'S PEOPLE ARE MAKING GENERAL THREATS WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS MAYBE THAT JUST KEEP IT BECAUSE UNDER
UNDER THE ORDINANCE THEY IF THERE'S AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES I FEEL LIKE THEY NEVER HAVE TO REPORT IT EITHER EXCEPT FOR THIS I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION AND IF THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO DEAL WITH IT DOESN'T SAY THAT HAVE THAT SO MAYBE JUST MAKE THAT STRONGER BECAUSE IF IF THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS NEW INTERPRETATION WELL, I'M
SORRY, COUNSELOR. JUST INTERRUPT JUST TO CLEAR THAT'S THAT INTERPRETATION OF EXIGENT EXIGENCY IS NOT ACCEPTED BY COURTS. OKAY. THAT'S NOT REAL. YEAH.
SO MAYBE JUST AS DEFINED BY THE I MEAN IT'S LIKE ASSUMED HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE COURTS SAY, WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS IT IS. WELL, IT SAYS LIKE AS YOU KNOW, I FORGET EXACTLY THE LANGUAGE
BUT IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW AS COURTS WOULD WOULD ACCEPT IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET A WARRANT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL EMERGENCIES ARE UNFOLDING IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT. NOT HYPOTHETICAL PROBLEMS THAT MAY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, FRAUGHT POLITICAL DYNAMICS IN THE COUNTRY. YEAH AND THEN I GUESS THE DEFINITION ENDS WITH AND YOU
CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS GOT IN THERE THE USE OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL NOT INFRINGE UPON AN INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST OR
EXERCISE OTHER LAWFUL AND PROTECTED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. SO YEAH, SO NUMBER ONE IS I GUESS DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT WHY THAT'S IN THERE? NUMBER TWO, DO YOU THINK USING THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY TO
FOR AND HIS SEMANTIC SPEECH WHICH COULD BE YOU KNOW JUST SOMETHING THAT IS PRO-PALESTINIAN AS OPPOSED TO I MEAN I KNOW THE DEFINITION HAS BECOME ALMOST MEANINGLESS AT
THIS POINT. YEAH WELL HE HATE SPEECH WAS NOT CRIMINAL. YEAH I MEAN THERE'S THAT RIGHT? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ARGUE OVER THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-SEMITISM. I COULD SAY A BUNCH OF ANTI-GAY STUFF AND IT'S NOT A CRIME, RIGHT?
SO YOU KNOW I LOVE GAY PEOPLE. I'M GETTING WHAT I'M JUST SAYING. YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY THAT AND IT WOULDN'T BE A CRIME. YEAH. SO DO YOU THINK USING THESE SEARCH TOOLS OR IS INFRINGING
UPON AN INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST? I WOULD HAVE TO SEE HOW THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN THAT I RAISED IN MY IN MY COMMENTS IS THE WITH THE
SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUPS YOU KNOW INFORMATION COLLECTION THAT BP IS ACCESSING THOSE ARE DETERMINED ACTIONS WHAT
CONSTITUTES A THREAT FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENT EXTREMISM WHICH IS THE PHRASE THAT THEY USE THAT'S UP TO THIS PRIVATE OWNED, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY KIND OF PUBLIC
OVERSIGHT. SO WE DON'T KNOW I MEAN MAYBE IT COULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE ISRAELI MILITARY CAMPAIGN
OR THE BLOCKADE IN GAZA HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO THESE KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, SURVEILLANCE OPERATIONS THROUGH SITE UNTIL I DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T
SEEN THEM SO YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INTERJECT A LITTLE HISTORY HERE AND THE ACLU IS AT THE CENTER OF IT BACK IN THE DAY BUT REMEMBER THE KKK HAS
HISTORICALLY HAD A LOT OF MARCHES AND THEY WERE AN OVERTLY GROUP. I MEAN I WOULD SAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE DESIGNATED OR COULD HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED A
TERRORIST YET WE DID NOT OUR COURTS SAID NO, WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM PROTESTING. AND WHAT'S MORE, COURTS DECIDED THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO
PROTEST MASKED BECAUSE IT WASN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIAL CHANGE
IN IN HOW THEY WERE PERCEIVED, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN THEY WERE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO PROTEST IN PROTEST MASS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY, WE'RE WE'RE
REWRITING HISTORY AND WE'RE REWRITING WHAT THE COURTS HAVE ALREADY DECIDE. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. WHOEVER CALLS ARE TAKING OFF THE FLOOR. YOU KNOW, I HATE TO GO AFTER COUNSELOR PEPPER FOR MULTIPLE REASONS BUT I WON'T LIST THEM HERE SO I JUST WANT TO THANK
YOU BOTH. I THINK THE I GUESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS THAT I KNOW IN MARCH OFFICIALS AT THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVEALED THAT THEY WOULD USE AI
TO REVOKE THE VISAS OF FOREIGN NATIONALS AND THOSE TWO APPEAR TO SUPPORT HAMAS AND OTHER TERROR GROUPS KNOWN AS CATCH AND REVOKE. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU ALL
HAVE OPINIONS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER IF FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDING WE WOULD HAVE SOME OBLIGATION TO SHARE OR IF
WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS INFORMATION IS BEING KEPT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME LIKE WHETHER BOSTON RESIDENTS COULD
HAVE YOU KNOW, IF THEIR VISAS AND OTHER IMMIGRATION STATUS COULD BE IMPACTED BY THE INFORMATION THAT THESE
SURVEILLANCE TOOLS KEEP. I'LL JUST SAY TWO VERY BRIEF THINGS ABOUT THAT. ONE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THE FBI, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VERY EXTENSIVE SOCIAL MEDIA
SURVEILLANCE OPERATIONS. SO I SORT OF DOUBT ALTHOUGH MAYBE DIRECTOR WALSH COULD CORRECT ME ON THIS THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW, ASKING THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S SOCIAL MEDIA USE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PROGRAMS
WHICH WE ALSO POST AND THEY'RE VERY DANGEROUS AND PROBLEMATIC. AND YOU KNOW WHAT MARCO RUBIO IS DOING AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY, REALLY FRIGHTENING FRANKLY.
YOU KNOW, EXAMINING PEOPLE'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS EVEN PEOPLE ARE ENTERING THE COUNTRY ON TOURIST VISAS, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT TRUMP. IT'S REALLY FRIGHTENING.
HOWEVER, THAT SAID, THERE IS A REAL CONCERN I THINK HANGING OVER ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS . YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD YESTERDAY, THE ONE WE'RE HAVING TODAY, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL, THE ONE WE'RE HAVING TODAY, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE IN FUTURE MONTHS
ABOUT THE UAC GRANT AND OTHER MATTERS ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION SHARING OPERATIONS AT THE BPP COULD INADVERTENTLY AGAIN, YOU
KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE FOLKS FROM BP UP THERE. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO EXPOSE ANYBODY TO TO HARM, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S
INEVITABLE THAT INFORMATION COULD LEAK RIGHT, IF WE'RE NOT REALLY CAREFUL. JUST YESTERDAY I SAW A NEWS STORY ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO A DEA TASK FORCE IN ANOTHER PART
OF THE COUNTRY, A DRUG TASK FORCE WHO WAS USING HIS FLOCK LICENSE PLATE READER ACCOUNT TO CONDUCT SEARCHES ON BEHALF OF A FEDERAL AGENT WHO WANTED TO DO
IT FOR IMMIGRATION PURPOSES. SO YEAH, I MEAN THERE ARE A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS THAT INFORMATION COULD LEAK OUT OF THESE SYSTEMS AND END UP, YOU KNOW, HARMING SOMEONE THROUGH SOME SORT OF FEDERAL PROGRAM.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY ALERT TO ALL OF THOSE AND DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT BOSTON'S NOT ENDANGERING PEOPLE IN THOSE WAYS.
AND I THINK FOR ME I, I TRULY THINK THAT WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH BP AND THE BRAC AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE YOU KNOW, ALL OF LIKE SORT OF THE CONSTELLATION OF THINGS THAT BOSTONIANS AND WE NEED THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER. I DO THINK WITHOUT INTELLIGENCE WE CAN LEAD TO STOP AND FRISK AND OTHER YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SORT OF THERE BEING SOME
INTELLIGENCE. BUT I THINK THE IDEA THAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT SOURCE FEED SITE FEED TANGLES AND CAUSE LIKE ACTUALLY DO AND HOW THEY COLLECT INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S THE CONVERSATION
THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AT THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE THESE THESE PROGRAMS ARE UNLEASHED TO SURVEIL THE PUBLIC. AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T I WON'T OR DON'T
SUPPORT THIS. I JUST THINK THAT THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS HERE IS IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ACTUALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC
FROM BEING SURVEILLED WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND I KNOW THAT THE ACLU IS VERY INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THE ORDINANCE SO I'M JUST
CURIOUS I MEAN I THINK I WOULD HONESTLY BE HAPPY IF HAPPY TEARS FOR I'D BE IN A BETTER PLACE TO SUPPORT THIS IF I HAD
A COMMITMENT THAT PEOPLE KNEW THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE WENT THROUGH THESE STEPS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE DATA
RETENTION QUESTION I WE I DON'T THINK I HEARD THAT ANSWER TODAY. LIKE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WE NEED ANSWERED.
I DO THINK I GUESS AT LEAST ON MY END LIKE I ASSUME I'M BEING VIDEOED AND RECORDED AT ALL TIMES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
BUT I THINK THAT WHEN NEW CAMERAS APPEAR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS I ALWAYS SEND OUT AN EMAIL BLAST TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING HEY, YOU HAVE A NEW CAMERA WHERE YOU
LIVE BECAUSE THAT IS BASIC. THAT IS THE DECENCY THAT WE SHOULD GIVE TO NEIGHBORS WHEN WE PUT A CAMERA IN NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE AND WHERE THEY USUALLY TRAVEL.
I THINK THIS IS THE SAME THING I I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE BLASTING FROM THE ROOFTOPS HOW THESE PROGRAMS ARE BEING USED AND THE RETENTION POLICIES AND
HOW THESE CONTRACTS WORK AND WHEN THEY'RE EXECUTED BECAUSE THE REALITY IS LIKE THAT'S OUR DUTY TO THE PUBLIC.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I DON'T KNOW EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE PROGRAMS BEING USED BUT WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THEM OR A COUPLE OF SALIENT THINGS ONE IS
THE NOTION THAT THEY'RE BEING USED TO LOOK FOR EMERGING VIOLENT OR TERRORIST GROUPS IS DISTURBING TO ME BECAUSE WHAT IT BASICALLY MEANS IS YOU ARE
SURVEYING THE DATA WITHOUT A TARGET THAT YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE IS A CRIMINAL GROUP. SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE DEPENDING UPON ESSENTIALLY
INTERPRETING LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA OR THE CHAT SPACE TO POINT A FINGER AT SOMEONE YOU'RE STARTING. THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO LAW IN THE UNITED STATES.
WE DON'T WE DON'T START WITH A THREAT AND LOOK FOR A POSSIBLE ANYBODY OUT THERE. WE START WITH EVIDENCE AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST DISTURBING THING. THE SECOND DISTURBING THING IS THE FACT THAT IN ORDER TO DO
THIS YOU HAVE TO INSINUATE YOURSELF INTO THESE CHAT GROUPS AS WAS EXPLAINED. YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO MASQUERADE AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW ,YOU'RE PART YOU'RE PART
OF THAT AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IN DOING THAT IF YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF A CREDIBLE THREAT BUT DOING THAT JUST TO SPY TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS OUT THERE IS IT
SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD NOT TO ME THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING AND IT AND IT IS AND IT IS FRIGHTENING IN THE SENSE THAT LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE, YOU
KNOW, SAY STUPID STUFF ONLINE THAT THEY WISH THEY COULD TAKE BACK MAYBE EVEN THE NEXT DAY THAT MIGHT BE YOU KNOW, SOUND
VIOLENT OR SOUND THREATENING BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC THREAT . I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE. I THINK WILL FIND A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THAT PUT THEM AWAY FOR NO
REASON. YOU KNOW, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE THE LITTLE I DO
UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS IS IS FRIGHTENING TO ME. YEAH. AND I THINK EVEN IN REGARDS TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED BY THE BREC BECAUSE OF A THREAT THEY'VE MADE TOWARDS ME THEY'VE
ALL BEEN PAPER TIGERS ALL IT'S ALL BEEN LIKE OH I SAW YOU ON FOX NEWS SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU SHOULD DIE. I MEAN THAT'S REALLY BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I, I AM NOT
AGAINST I TOO LIKE IN IN THE RESPECT OF LIKE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE USING AI TO COMBAT LIKE FOOD POISONING LIKE 48 HOURS PRIOR TO SOMETHING HAPPENING.
THERE ARE REASONS TO USE AI TO SURVEIL SORT OF SOCIAL MEDIA FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE. I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING THE RIGHT GUARDRAILS ON IT. AND I THINK THE FACT THAT THE
GUARDRAILS HAVE BEEN CREATED AND IN THIS INSTANCE WERE NOT EVEN BACKED UP I THINK THAT TO ME SAYS THAT WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO. SO THANK YOU, TERRY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DURKAN.
I JUST WANT TO BE THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY I HAVE TO LEAVE. THANKS. JUST TODAY AND YESTERDAY. THANKS VERY MUCH. WE'LL DO A SECOND ROUND FOR MY COLLEAGUES WHO MAY WANT TO COME
MY HERE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. WELL YOU KNOW I. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE HABIT OF HOLDING PEOPLE HOSTAGE FOR THE SAKE OF HOSTING YOU
KNOW, HOLDING YOU HERE ANY MORE TIME THAN WHAT YOU NEED TO BE. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE
OVERREACH AND HOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE UTILIZE TOOLS TO CREATE UNINTENDED HARM TO FOLKS OR
INTENDED TARGETED HARM TO PEOPLE. CAN YOU JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND . ARE THERE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES OR MAYBE
IN BOSTON WHERE FOLKS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OR HARMED? USING THESE SORT OF TOOLS?
WELL, WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN A LOT OF IT WITH THE SCHOOL MONITORING TOOLS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLICITY AROUND THAT. YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS WHERE
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A CHILD MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE LGBTQ AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FLAG WORDS IN THESE SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT KIDS WITH
WHO ARE LGBTQ MAY BE, YOU KNOW, AT ENHANCE RISK OF BEING BULLIED ETC. THEN BEING OUTED TO THEIR PARENTS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW AND THIS IS JUST LIKE THIS IS LOW LEVEL
THINGS THEN YOU HAVE HIGHER LEVEL THINGS WHERE WORDS LIKE KILL IN THE KIDS WRITING WERE FLAGGED AND IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE WRITING ABOUT TO KILL A
MOCKINGBIRD AND YOU KNOW, THEY GET CALLED IN AND AND SOMETIMES EVEN POLICE GET NOTIFIED IF THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WORD THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLY DISTURBING AND THIS HAPPENS
WITHOUT THE STUDENT BEING FIRST ASKED WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF THEIR PARENTS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WITH THEIR TEACHER BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE IN STUDENT ESSAYS FOR
THE CONTEXT. SO I MEAN THIS IS THE DANGER OF THESE KIND OF TOOLS IS THAT YOU'RE USING VERY KIND OF YOU
KNOW IN IN NON PARTICULAR SURVEILLANCE. NOW GRANTED IF YOU'RE INSERTING YOURSELF IN SOMEONE'S CHAT AND LISTENING EVERY DAY YOU MAY
HAVE MUCH MORE PARTICULAR STUFF BUT STILL THE QUESTION REMAINS YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR LAWS WHEN YOU DON'T
HAVE A REASONABLE PROBABLE CAUSE IN THIS CASE FOR YOU TO BE DOING THAT IT'S A SEARCH AND IT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. ONE THING I, I DIDN'T MENTION
AGAIN BUT I WILL MENTION AGAIN IS TO COUNCILOR DURKIN'S QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS BY FEDERAL AGENCIES, ETC..
LOOK, WE KNOW THAT HARVARD WAS BASICALLY FACED WITH AN ULTIMATUM ONE EXPOSE EVERYONE YOU'RE ADMITTING TO YOUR SCHOOL TO US TO GIVE US ALL OF YOUR
PROTEST VIDEO AND WE'RE SET TO THAT WOULD CONTAIN FOREIGN STUDENTS ON AN F1 VISA. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT
THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT AND JUST SAY OKAY, THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THIS PERSON AT THIS PROTEST. YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THEM A LOT OF IMAGES FROM THAT PROTEST. YOU'RE GOING TO BE COVERING A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLETELY WITHIN THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. BUT THE GOVERNMENT NOW PRIORITIZES THIS AS ANTI-SEMITIC AND A NATIONAL
SECURITY THREAT. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PASSED IN THE COURTS IS WHAT AS TO WHETHER THIS IS REALLY FAIR TO CALL THESE PROTESTS ANTI-SEMITIC OR
NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET THE THE DATA HAS TO BE GIVEN TO THE GOVERNMENT OR THEY'RE WITHDRAWING FUNDING AND WE'RE WE'RE IN THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDING SO THIS CAN BE HELD OVER THEM AT ANY POINT TO DEMAND ANY OF THIS DATA THAT'S BEING COLLECTED THROUGH ANY OF THESE SURVEILLANCE TOOLS.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I, I FEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT PUTS YOU AND THEM IN A VERY BAD POSITION BECAUSE THEY NEED CERTAIN TOOLS TO REALLY IDENTIFY REAL
CRIMINALS AND TO HELP REAL PEOPLE AND YET THEY MAY BE FORCED TO SURRENDER ALL OF THIS FOR VERY, VERY DANGEROUS PURPOSES. RIGHT.
AND I'LL JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE BEEPER WENT OFF OR NOT BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT
I'M CONCERNED FOR MY OWN SAFETY HERE BUT I AM VERY VOCAL ABOUT MY VIEWS AND HOW I AM I POSTURE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FIRST IN CIVIL LIBERTIES
AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DYNAMIC THAT IF YOU ARE SPEAKING UP OR AGAINST, YOU KNOW, YOU BECOME A TARGET IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S
PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE TEND TO BE AFRAID. AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THROUGH OUR FEAR AND SPEAK UP.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, JULIE, IN YOUR IN YOUR WORK IN THE SPACE LIKE HOW FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN VOCAL AGAINST ANYTHING OR
ANYONE HOW THEY CAN END UP IN SOME SORT OF TARGETED LIST? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. I MEAN I'M TESTIFYING AT A HEARING AND SAYING ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE YOU KNOW,
POTENTIALLY WOULD BE SEEN AS A THREAT AND FOR ME AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S A QUESTION OF LIKE HOW CAN HOW DO I LIVE WITH MYSELF AND I ACTUALLY I'LL
TELL YOU PERSONALLY HOW I STARTED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THIS IS FRANKLY I WAS A SCIENTIST TO BEGIN WITH. I HAD TO GIVE UP MY CAREER PROFOUNDLY DISABLED CHILD WITH
A TERMINAL BRAIN CONDITION AND I WAS HOME WITH HER FOR A LOT OF YEARS THEN WITH ANOTHER CHILD WHO WAS PERFECT IN MANY WAYS BUT DEVELOPED BIPOLAR
DISORDER AND I SAW WITH HER AS SHE WAS WORKING THROUGH TRYING TO SURVIVE BEFORE WE GOT THE DIAGNOSIS WHICH TOOK SIX YEARS OF MANY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE
BEFORE THEY MADE THE CORRECT DIAGNOSIS BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING CALLED MIXED DATES AND IT WASN'T COMMONLY IDENTIFIED HOW MUCH SHE WAS UNDER THE GUN FROM PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION AT SCHOOL
ABOUT HOW SHE WAS HANDLING HERSELF AND SHE REALLY SHE DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW INAPPROPRIATE SHE WAS BEING RIGHT. THEN I HAD MY THIRD ONE WHO WAS
NON-BINARY AND ON THE SPECTRUM AND I WAS CONSTANTLY GETTING CALLED INTO SCHOOL OVER STATEMENTS THAT THEY MADE THAT THE SCHOOL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT .
AND MY CHILD LITERALLY SAID TO ME WHY DO THEY THINK I'M LIKE THE NEXT SCHOOL SHOOTER? AND IT ALL WAS ABOUT WAS IS THAT HERE WAS THIS PERSON THAT REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE
LACK OF TACT FULNESS OF THEIR COMMENTS. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN I FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I COULD DO SOMETHING WITH MY LIFE, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT ABOUT THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE MOTHERS CAN'T GET INTO SCHOOL TO HELP THEM AND ADVOCATE FOR THEM AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT
LIKE THEIR INTENTIONS WERE NOT BLIND THEY JUST DON'T GET THESE NORMS OF SOCIAL CONDUCT AND I YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE THREAT THAT I
PERCEIVED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCE EVERY DAY WITHOUT THE RECOURSE TO HANDLE IT. THAT'S WHAT MOTIVATED ME TO KIND OF GET INVOLVED IN THIS
SPACE. AND SO FOR ME I KNOW I'M PUTTING MYSELF AT RISK BUT I TRY TO THINK OF THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO I HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT I HAVE INSIGHTS AND
THAT I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A WHOLE IN SOCIETY PROTECT PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF BROAD SURVEILLANCE THAT CAN PULL IN A LOT
OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. AND AS WE SAW YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'M OF JEWISH HERITAGE AS WE SAW YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO ROUND LOTS OF PEOPLE UP AND WE'RE SEEING THAT IN REAL
TIME RIGHT NOW AND IT'S IT'S VERY FRIGHTENING. SO YES, I MEAN MANY OF US ARE AFRAID WE TRY OUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, BE PRIVATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
BUT WE KNOW THAT IF WE GET OUT THERE AND TESTIFY, YEAH, WE COULD REALLY BE YOU KNOW, THE TARGETS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK A COUNCILOR MEJIA AND ALL RIGHT, GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING
OUR LAST PANELIST HERE TODAY AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHTS. APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES BEING HERE AND I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE IS THERE'S NO ONE
SIGNED UP FOR A PUBLIC TESTIMONY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY NEXT WEEK VIRTUALLY WHICH IS THAT THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO ONE WHO
SIGNED UP HERE TODAY. BUT WHAT WE I WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS TODAY. ONE THING MY COLLEAGUES AND JUST HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1356 AND DOCKET NUMBER 1357 IS
ADJOURNED. THANK YOU