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THANKS BEN WEBER. UH, THE DISTRICT SIX CITY COUNCILOR AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL ON WAYS AND MEANS TODAY IS JULY 15TH, 2026

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AND THE EXACT TIME IS 2:03 P.M. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025 MODIFYING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THE OF MEANING LAW AND RELIEVING PUBLIC BODIES OF CERTAIN

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REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC BODIES CONDUCT THEIR MEETINGS IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT'S OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS HEARING VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.

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THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED . IT'S ALSO BEING LIVE STREAMED AT BOSTON.GOV/CITY COUNCIL DASH TV AND BROADCAST ON XFINITY CHANNEL EIGHT, RCN CHANNEL 82

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AND UH FIOS CHANNEL 964. WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT SQUIRM AT BOSTON GOV AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS.

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PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN UH, AT THE END OF UH THE UH FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS UH, FROM MY COLLEAGUES UM

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INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON UH IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'VE SIGNED UP AND WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO TESTIFY IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. IF NOT DONE SO PLEASE EMAIL OR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON CHRIS

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MITCHELL ON AT. OKAY OR IS. MCCUE AND@BOSTON.COM FOR THE ZOOM LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON TWO

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DOCKETS THAT WOULD FUND THE PLANNING AND DESIGN PHASE OF MAJOR IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR SIX BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS ONE BEING OUR VOCATIONAL TECH SCHOOL MADISON PARK.

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UH THE MSB, A BOARD OF DIRECTORS VOTED TO INVITE MADISON PARK INTO THE MBA'S ELIGIBILITY PERIOD ON DECEMBER 12TH, 2025. ON OCTOBER 29TH 2025, THE BOARD

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ALSO VOTED TO INVITE THE OTHER FIVE SCHOOLS TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM. THE GOAL IS TO MODERNIZE OUR AGING SCHOOL FACILITIES AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY AND ENERGY

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EFFICIENCY OF OUR EDUCATIONAL SPACES. I'LL NOW READ BOTH DOCKETS INTO THE RECORD DOCKET NUMBER 1311 IS A MESSAGE IN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF BOSTON

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TO APPROPRIATE THE AMOUNT OF $5 MILLION FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING THE COSTS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND SCHEMATIC DESIGN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT FOR THE MADISON PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH

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SCHOOL LOCATED AT 75 MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, ROXBURY, MASSACHUSETTS 02120. UH THIS INCLUDES THE PAYMENT OF ALL COSTS INCIDENTAL RELATED

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THERETO AND FOR WHICH THE CITY OF BOSTON MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR A GRANT FROM THE MASSACHUSETTS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE MSBA UH SET AMOUNT TO BE EXPANDED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE PUBLIC

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FACILITIES DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND DOCKET NUMBER 1312A MESSAGE IN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF BOSTON TO APPROPRIATE THE

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AMOUNT OF $850,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING COSTS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND SCHEMATIC DESIGN WORK ASSOCIATED WITH WINDOW, DOOR AND ROOF PROJECTS OF THE FOLLOWING SCHOOLS BOSTON

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ADULT ACADEMY JOSEPH J. HURLEY SCHOOL ELLIS MENDEL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JOYCE KILMER ,KEITH REED SCHOOL AND UH THE UH LYON UH UPPER NINE THROUGH

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12 SCHOOL. UM THIS INCLUDES THE PAYMENT OF ALL COSTS INCIDENTAL RELATED THERETO AND FOR WHICH THE CITY OF BOSTON MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR A GRANT FROM THE MASSACHUSETTS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY SET

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AMOUNT TO BE EXPENDED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THESE MATTERS WERE SPONSORED BY MAYOR MICHELLE WU AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON JULY 8TH,

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2026. TODAY I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR FLYNN, COUNCILOR FITZGERALD, COUNCILOR MURPHY AND COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE UH I'M

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JOINED OR WE ARE JOINED UM UH BY A WONDERFUL PANEL TODAY WE'VE GOT BRIAN MCLAUGHLIN, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT. CARLTON JONES DIRECTOR

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OF PUBLIC FACILITIES, UH DEL STANISLAUS UH CHIEF OF CAPITAL PLANNING FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND BRAD DICKENS, THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOLS AND COLLEGE

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CAREER AND LIFE READINESS UM UH, FOR THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, I THINK IS THE PANEL I GET BACK

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TO SCREEN HERE THE PANEL HAS UH UH PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY THE FLOOR IS YOURS AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR A FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND THEN UH, TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND COME BACK FOR A SECOND ROUND

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OF QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UH, WEBER AND UH, COUNCILORS AGAIN, CARLTON JONES FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANT TO, UM, INTRODUCE

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MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUE, UM, BRIAN MCLAUGHLIN WHO'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH OUR SLIDE SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER BRIAN LOFTON AND WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR COLLEAGUES FROM BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UH, DILLON BRETT. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO AND I

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KNOW WE HAVE A LOT TO GO THROUGH SO I'M JUST GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BRIAN. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, COLIN. THANK YOU. UH THANK YOU. CHAIR WEBER COUNCIL MEMBERS AS CHAIR WEBER INTRODUCED MONTHS AGO.

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UH, BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE TWO LOANERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. THE FIRST UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH TODAY IS A 2025 ACCELERATOR REPAIR PROGRAM PROJECTS.

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AND THE SECOND IS FOR THE MASS AND PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM, FUNDS THE MSBA. UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING A

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A PRESENTATION TO IS THAT OH, THERE WE GO. SORRY CAN WE GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE? THANK YOU. UH, THE MSBA IS A STATE AUTHORITY THAT OVERSEES THE

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FUNDING OF PUBLIC SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS. IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT AGENCY THAT WORKS WITH LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS GREAT AFFORDABLE, SUSTAINABLE, ENERGY EFFICIENT

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SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH AND IT'S FUNDED THROUGH ONE PENNY OF THE SALES TAX. MSBA HAS TWO PROGRAMS THE CORE PROGRAM WHICH IS FOR LARGER RENOVATION AND NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS LIKE THE

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BOSTON ARTS ACADEMY, JERSEY QUINCY UPPER SCHOOL AND THE CAR SCHOOL AND THE ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM WHICH FOCUSES ON THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT

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OF ROOF WINDOWS, BOILER HEAT PUMP SYSTEMS IN OTHERWISE STRUCTURALLY SOUND BUILDINGS. UH NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS BOSTON HAS MADE AN EFFORT TO INCREASE THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY

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PROGRAM. AS OF TODAY THERE ARE 57 PROJECTS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF THE MSBA PROCESS. THIS SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE STATUS OF THESE 57

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PROJECTS OF THE COA PROJECTS WHICH THERE ARE SEVEN THE DEARBORN BOSTON ARTS ACADEMY DOES AT QUINCY UPPER SCHOOL IN THE CARTER SCHOOL A COMPLETE

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ONE SCHOOL THE SHOT TAYLOR HAS RECENTLY STARTED THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THROUGH BATSON ACADEMY AND IS CURRENTLY PROCURING THE OLD OPM IN MADISON PARK STARTED THE

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ELIGIBILITY PERIOD TWO WEEKS AGO UNDER THE ACCELERATE REPAIR PROGRAM, 34 PROJECTS HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION, ONE IS IN CONSTRUCTION, SEVEN ARE IN

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DESIGN SLATED FOR 2027 CONSTRUCTION AND EIGHT PROJECTS WILL BE STARTING DESIGN LATER THIS SUMMER AND INTO THE FALL. THESE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH THE MSBA REFLECT $696

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MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WITH UPWARDS OF 263 MILLION OF ESTIMATED REIMBURSEMENT COMING BACK TO THE CITY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

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THE FIRST LOAN ORDER IS FOR THE 2025 ERP PROJECTS. FOR THE BOSTON ADULT TECHNICAL ACADEMY, MENDEL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, KILMER AID SCHOOL, THE

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MARY LYON SCHOOL THIS APPROPRIATION WILL ALLOW THE MSBA TO SIGN AN OPM AN ARCHITECT TO BEGIN THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECTS IN THE COMING MONTHS STAGE EARLY THE SECOND

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LOAN ORDERS MADISON PARK HIGH SCHOOL WHICH HAD THE ELIGIBILITY APPEAR IN JULY 1ST. THE VOTE WILL APPROPRIATE FUNDS SO THE CITY CAN BEGIN TO PROCURE IN OPM AN ARCHITECT THEN BEGIN THE EARLY PHASE OF DESIGN AS PART OF THE MSBA

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FEASIBILITY STUDY. WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE SEPARATELY AND THESE NEXT THREE SLIDES ARE SPECIFIC TO THE 2025 AARP PROJECTS. THE PROCESS FOR THE EIGHT SCHOOLS ON THIS ON THE SLIDE IN

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FRONT OF YOU BEGAN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO SUPPORT THE SUBMISSION OF THE APPLICATIONS TO THE MSBA BACK IN MARCH OF 2025. THE APPLICATIONS WERE OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED TO THE

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MSBA ON MARCH 21ST. MSBA REVIEWED THESE SUBMISSIONS THROUGH SUMMER EARLY FALL OF 2025 AND VISITED THESE SCHOOLS WITH THEIR CONSULTANT

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TEAM IN AUGUST OF 2025. THE MSB BOARD THEN VOTED TO INVITE THE SCHOOLS INTO THE 2025 ACCELERATOR REPAIR PROGRAM AT THEIR OCTOBER 30TH, 2025

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BOARD MEETING. WITH THE LARGE NUMBER OF ARP PROJECTS SUBMITTED IN 2025, THE MSBA STAGGERED THE START OF THE PROJECTS. BOSTON EIGHT PROJECTS WERE

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BROKEN INTO TWO GROUPS BENNY'S MILDRED AB IN ORCHARD GARDENS WERE APPROVED TO START THE MSBA PROCESS ON MARCH 1ST 2026. BOSTON ADULT TECHNICAL ACADEMY

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HURLEY MENDEL KILMER AND LYON UPPER WERE APPROVED TO BEGIN ON JULY 1ST. PLEASE NOTE THE MINNIE'S MILDRED AT ORCHARD GARDENS HAD A HEARING BEFORE YOU ON APRIL 1ST AND THE COUNCIL VOTED TO

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APPROVE THE FUNDS TO START THE DESIGN THE PROJECTS THIS PAST APRIL 15TH AND TODAY WE HAD TO REQUEST DESIGN FUNDS THE REMAINING FIVE SCHOOLS AS PART OF THE 2025 ERP PROGRAM.

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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND PLEASE NOTE THERE'S AN ERROR ON THIS SLIDE THAT $900,000 SHOULD REFLECT $850,000 AS READ IN BY THE UH

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COUNCIL CHAIRMAN. UH NEXT STEP FOR THIS PROJECT IS REQUEST CITY COUNCIL APPROPRIATE $850,000 FOR THE DESIGN COSTS AT THE BARDA HURLEY MENTAL KILMER LINE

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UP FOR APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL WILL ALLOW THE MSBA TO ASSIGN AN OPM AN ARCHITECT MOST LIKELY IN EARLY SEPTEMBER. DESIGN WILL START IN THE FALL AND WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION

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IN THE SUMMER OF 2028. UH. WITH THAT, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE SPECIFIC TO MADISON PARK AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DEL STANISLAW. THANK YOU BRIAN.

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UM GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AS UM MY COLLEAGUE SHARED I'M DEL STANISLAUS, CHIEF OF CAPITAL PLANNING FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE MASSACHUSETTS

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SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY OR THE MSBA PROCESS FOR MADISON PARK BEGAN WITH THE SUBMISSION OF THE STATEMENT OF INTEREST APPLICATION ON APRIL 11TH, 2025 .

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THIS APPLICATION WAS SUPPORTED BY A VOTE BY THIS BODY ON APRIL 2ND, 2025. AS PART OF ITS REVIEW PROCESS, THE MSBA CONDUCTED DUE

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DILIGENCE ON APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED FROM ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. ON SEPTEMBER 17TH 2025, MSBA REPRESENTATIVES TOURED MADISON PARK WITH DISTRICT STAFF AND

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CONSULTANTS TO OBSERVE FIRSTHAND THE FACILITIES CONDITION IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE CONDITION IMPACTED THE SCHOOL'S ABILITY. TO THE. >> TO DELIVER ITS DESIRED

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EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. FOLLOWING ITS REVIEW, THE MSBA BOARD OF DIRECTORS VOTED AT ITS FINAL MEETING OF 2025 ON DECEMBER 12TH TO INVITE THE

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MADISON PARK PROJECT INTO THE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD, MARKING THE NEXT STEP IN THE MSB SCHOOL BUILDING PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE.

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MADISON PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL SERVES APPROXIMATELY 1000 STUDENTS AND IS THE ONLY COMPREHENSIVE TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH

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SCHOOL IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. THE SCHOOL OFFERS 20 CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS PROVIDING STUDENTS WITH PATHWAYS INTO HIGH DEMAND

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CAREERS AND PAUL SECONDARY EDUCATION PROGRAMS SPAN FOR MAJOR CAREER SECTORS BUILDING TRADES, COMMUNICATION AND TECHNOLOGY, HUMAN SERVICES AND HEALTH CARE.

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A KEY COMPONENT OF THE MADISON PARK EXPERIENCE IS THE COOPERATIVE EDUCATION OR CO-OP AS IT'S CALLED UM PROGRAM WHICH ALLOWS JUNIORS AND SENIORS TO

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EARN ACADEMIC CREDIT TOWARD GRADUATION, GAIN REAL WORLD HANDS ON WORK EXPERIENCE, EARN A PAYCHECK WHILE LEARNING IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD BY COMBINING

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RIGOROUS ACADEMICS WITH CAREER FOCUSED TECHNICAL TRAINING AND WORK BASED LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES, MADISON PARK PREPARE STUDENTS FOR COLLEGE CAREER APPRENTICESHIP AND

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DIRECT ENTRY INTO THE WORKFORCE AND MORE. NEXT SLIDE. MADISON PARK STUDENTS HAVE INCREDIBLE TALENT, AMBITION AND

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POTENTIAL BUT THE CURRENT FACILITY DOES NOT PROVIDE THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT THEY NEED AND DESERVE. WHAT WE KNOW TODAY IS THAT MADISON PARK FACILITIES ARE OUTDATED AND CAN NO LONGER

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FULLY SUPPORT THE HIGH QUALITY STUDENT EXPERIENCE OUR STUDENTS, STAFF AND FAMILIES EXPECT AND DESERVE. THE BUILDING LIMITS OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEARNING, TEACHING AND CAREER PREPARATION

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IN WAYS THAT DIRECTLY IMPACT STUDENT SUCCESS. THE PROJECT REPRESENTS A ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM MADISON PARK INTO A

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STATE OF THE ART TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL AND BOSTON'S PREMIER WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER. WE ARE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH THE MSBA TO CREATE THE MODERN

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LEARNING ENVIRONMENTS THAT STUDENTS, EDUCATORS, FAMILIES, ALUMNI AND INDUSTRY PARTNERS HAVE LONG ADVOCATED FOR. A NEW MADISON PARK WILL PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH MODERN CLASSROOMS

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,ADVANCED CAREER AND TECHNICAL SET UP SHOPS, CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY AND DEDICATED SPACES FOR ARTS AND MUSIC STUDENT AND STAFF COLLABORATION.

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THE GOAL IS NOT SIMPLY IT'S NOT SIMPLY A NEW BUILDING. IT IS A FACILITY DESIGNED AROUND THE NEEDS OF TODAY'S STUDENTS AND TOMORROW'S WORKFORCE. THIS PROJECT WILL HELP ENSURE

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THAT EVERY STUDENT CAN LEARN, GROW AND THRIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT REFLECTS THEIR VALUES AND POTENTIAL. BY INVESTING IN MADISON PARK, WE ARE INVESTING IN BOSTON'S

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FUTURE WORKFORCE. THIS IS ABOUT EQUITY, OPPORTUNITY AND EXCELLENCE. EVERY MADISON PARK STUDENT DESERVES A SCHOOL BUILDING THAT MATCHES THE QUALITY OF THE

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EDUCATION, TALENT AND ASPIRATION FOUND WITHIN. NEXT SLIDE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD.

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THE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD IS THE START OF THE MSB CORE PROGRAM MADISON PARK ELIGIBILITY PERIOD STARTED TWO WEEKS AGO ON JULY 1ST. THE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD ALLOWS

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THE MSBA TO GAUGE FINANCIAL AND COMMUNITY READINESS OF DISTRICTS, BUT BY ALLOWING THEM NINE MONTHS TO COMPLETE CERTAIN PRELIMINARY REQUIREMENTS OF THE MSB, A

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CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY PERIOD ACTION ITEMS INCLUDE COMPLETING THE INITIAL COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATION, FORMING SCHOOL BUILDING

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COMMITTEE, COMPLETING DISTRICT ENROLLMENT QUESTIONNAIRE, PROVIDING DISTRICTS MAINTENANCE PLANS, SUBMITTING SCHOOLS EDUCATIONAL PROFILE QUESTIONNAIRE, APPROPRIATING

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FUNDS FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. TO DATE THE PROJECT TEAM HAS COMPLETED THE FOLLOWING. THE TEAM HAS COMPLETED INITIAL COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATION FORM. FORMED A SCHOOL BUILDING

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COMMITTEE. SUBMITTED THE MAINTENANCE PLAN, SUBMITTED THE ENROLLMENT QUESTIONNAIRES AND SUBMITTED THE SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL PROFILE . TODAY WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU

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REQUESTING $5 MILLION TO BRING ON AN OPM AND ARCHITECT TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY THROUGH SCHEMATIC DESIGN. NEXT SLIDE.

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NEXT STEPS FOR THE PROJECT IS TO FINALIZE THE REMAINDER OF THE ELIGIBILITY TASK, WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN AUGUST. MSBA BOARD WILL INVITE THE

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MADISON PARK UM INTO THE CAPITAL PIPELINE LIKELY AT THE OCTOBER MEETING. CITY OF BOSTON WILL USE THE FUNDS APPROPRIATED TODAY TO

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BRING ON A CONSULTANT TEAM, WHICH WILL LIKELY TAKE UPWARDS OF NINE MONTHS. FEASIBILITY STUDY AND PRE DESIGN WORK WILL COMMENCE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

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I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE BRIAN MCLAUGHLIN. DULL. >> THANK YOU. SO IN CLOSING UH, I HAD REQUEST

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$850,000 TO START THE DESIGN OF THE FIVE ERP PROJECTS AT THE. AT THE LY AT THE BOSTON ADULT

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TECHNICAL ACADEMY, THE MENDEL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KILMER K TO EIGHT SCHOOL AND THE MARY LYON SCHOOL. WE ALSO HAD A REQUEST FOR $5 MILLION FOR MASS AND PARK

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TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL TO START THE PROCUREMENT OF THE OPM AN ARCHITECT WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO START THE FEASIBILITY STUDY UPON A

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SUCCESSFUL BOARD VOTE FROM THE UPCOMING MSBA BOARD MEETING. WITH THAT, WE'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

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OKAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO UH I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL. UH, JUST UH FOR EVERYONE'S SAKE I'VE GOT OKAY, OKAY.

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UH, FIRST UP, COUNCILOR FLYNN AND COUNCILOR FITZGERALD AND COUNCILOR MURPHY, THEN COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE THEN COUNCILOR CULPEPER. UH, SO COUNCILOR FLYNN, UH,

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WE'LL SIX MINUTES UM AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR A SECOND ROUND THE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I STRONGLY. SUPPORT THE MADISON PARK

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PROPOSAL. I ALSO WANT TO A. VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S NOW CLOSED ON BICYCLE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT I DO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT UM

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,VOCATIONAL TRAINING AND EDUCATION IS. I'VE BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF MADISON PARK, UM, FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

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UM, SO AGAIN, I'M I'M I WILL SUPPORT I WILL SUPPORT MADISON PARK BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO. THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

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UH, PLAN BEFORE THEY WANTED TO APPLY TO THE MASS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY UNDER THE STATE PROGRAM WE WE WERE DOING A LOT OF WORK ON MADISON PARK

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AS IT RELATES TO FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM, HIRING CONTRACTORS, DESIGNING UM AT LEAST THREE CONTRACTORS THAT I'M AWARE

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OF FROM MY NOTES. UM, WE'RE DOING WORK ON MADISON PARK, UM, BEFORE THE CITY WANTED TO GET INTO UM, AN

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APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE STATE INCLUDING, UM PERKINS AND WILL LEFT FIELD UM ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER CONTRACT.

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IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY WE HAVE SPENT MONEY ON VARIOUS CONTRACTORS UM, ALREADY TO SUPPORT MADISON PARK AND IF SO,

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IS THAT INFORMATION ABLE TO TO BE USED UM, AS PART OF THIS STUDY? NOW THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILOR FLYNN. I'M GOING. >> TO HAVE TO ANSWER WITH A YES AND A NO. AND AND THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. YES. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD WORK

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THAT WAS DONE UH, AS YOU HAD POINTED OUT UH, WE HAVE WE HAVE GOTTEN UH SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION WE'VE MADE UM CHANGES RELATIVE TO THE PROGRAM OF THE SCHOOL AND ALL OF THAT

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INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MSBA PROCESS. NOW THE NO PART IS THAT THE MSBA DOES REQUIRE THAT WE GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR

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SELECTION AS IT RELATES TO AN OPM AND TO A DESIGNER. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT UM OR AT LEAST I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT UH, THE THE TEAMS THAT WE

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WORKED WITH BEFORE ARE GOING TO BE UH, MOST INTERESTED IN APPLYING AND WE'LL HAVE A A GREAT ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE WORK WITH THE CITY ON MADISON PARK AS THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS OF THE MSBA.

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OKAY, SO. AND SO THE THREE I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR UM THAT PERKINSON WILL LEFT FIELD AND

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ANOTHER GROUP CALLED AND I'M. ARCHITECTS UM THE CITY SPENT MONEY TO THEM FOR UM FOR THEIR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUT HOW MUCH DID WE HOW MUCH DID WE

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GIVE THEM. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFFHAND, COUNCILOR FLYNN, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT FOR YOU. UM, BECAUSE WE DO TRACK AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ALL OF OUR EXPENDITURES. I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

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DOES ANYONE HAVE IT? DOES ANYONE THERE HAVE IT? UH. I DON'T HAVE IT EITHER. BUT JUST ONE CLARIFYING POINT. UM, THE UNDER THE CONTRACTORS FEES.

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SO THE TEAM OF UH LEFT FIELD AND PERKINS AND WELL AND THEY THEY WERE NOT CONTRACTORS THEY WERE CONSULTANT THEY WERE CONSULTANT TEAMS THAT WAS UM HIRED TO CONDUCT STUDY. SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THAT'S OKAY.

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YEAH. >> UM BUT BESIDES THOSE THREE, WERE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT WE WE UM, WE HIRED. AND YOU MENTIONED ENUM ARCHITECTURE. YEAH. >> SO IT WAS JUST THOSE THREE NO NO OTHER NO OTHER GROUPS. THAT'S CORRECT COUNSELOR.

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YEAH OKAY. WELL THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I COULD GET A UM IF I COULD GET HOW MUCH WE PAID UM, EACH EACH COMPANY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

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THAT UM, IF POSSIBLE. UM, SO. IS THAT PUBLIC? THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION I WOULD ASSUME, ISN'T IT? IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.

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WE JUST HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF OUR SYSTEM BUILDER. OKAY? >> OKAY. UM. IS THERE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER

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DOCUMENTS THAT ARE HELPFUL TO ME TO REVIEW? UM, PRIOR TO BOSTON GOING INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE UH, STATE FOR THE MASS SCHOOL BUILDING

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AUTHORITY THAT I COULD I COULD REVIEW JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AT APPROPRIATELY AND UM, I JUST WANT TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO

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ENSURE THAT UH, TAXPAYER MONEY IS SPENT APPROPRIATELY. IS THAT IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? UH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHICH DOCUMENTS WE ACTUALLY PREPARED? UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT WAS PRELIMINARY A LOT OF IT WAS,

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YOU KNOW, UM WORK PRODUCT. UM SO I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WE PUT TOGETHER AND AND UM, YOU KNOW, WAS WAS PUBLIC IF YOU WILL

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BECAUSE THERE WERE THERE ARE A LOT OF NODES THERE A LOT OF. UH. >> YOU KNOW, STUDIES CALCULATIONS I PRESUME WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY THAT WE CAN PRODUCE THAT THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL FOR YOUR REVIEW.

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OKAY. >> SO COULD THE CHAIR ARE YOU ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THAT INFORMATION, MR CHAIR? YEAH I MEAN WE WILL WILL SUBMIT THE REQUEST AND. SEE WHAT THE RESPONSES AND UH.

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YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF GETTING. >> YOU THE NUMBERS OF DOLLARS SPENT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW. MEMOS PREPARED OR WHATEVER BUT WE'LL. SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY OKAY.

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SO WHAT WHAT IS THE COST WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED COST OF OF OF A NEW MADISON PARK? WHAT IS THE UM WHAT IS THE TOTAL FIGURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT?

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WELL THE INTERESTING THING WITH THE MSBA PROCESS IS THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WILL COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A VARIETY OF ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN KICKED AROUND BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE FINAL UH

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THE FINAL DESIGN AND FINAL SCHEME. SO FOR AND BRIAN CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THIS WITH HIS EXPERIENCE WITH THE MSBA BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOR INSTANCE LOOK AT VARIOUS OPTIONS. ONE OF THE OPTION IS A NO BUILD OPTION.

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WHY DO THEY WANT TO SAY WHAT CAN YOU DO IN YOUR EXISTING FOOTPRINT? ANOTHER ONE MIGHT BE WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN OTHER LOCATIONS? AND THERE'S ALSO A RENOVATION OPTION. UM SO MY POINT IS THAT TO GIVE

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YOU A NUMBER AT THE MOMENT IS PRESUPPOSING PART OF THEIR PROCESS WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME IS ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN THEN WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT BOSTON HAD FOR

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MADISON PARK NOT USING MATH SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY. UM IS IT JUST JUST TO SO YOUR SIX MINUTES IS UP PERFECTLY FINE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AND I KNOW WHEN I. GET THERE I'M GOING TO SAY IT

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WAS IN THE IN THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE BETWEEN 400 AND 600 MILLION BUT IT WAS A MOVING TARGET BECAUSE IT REALLY DEPENDED ON WHAT THAT FINAL DESIGN OPTION WAS GOING TO BE. BUT IT WAS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IN THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

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FOR SURE. ARE WE TALKING NOW POTENTIALLY $1 BILLION TO BUILD A NEW MADISON PARK? MY PERSONAL OPINION, COUNSELOR

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IS $1 BILLION IS HIGH. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE WE PUT IT. DO WE TEAR DOWN ANY EXISTING PROPERTIES THE EXISTING UH, MADISON PARK OR OTHER LOCATIONS? THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT

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WOULD GO INTO THAT EQUATION I WOULD THINK EVEN EVEN AT OUR I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF, UH, A NUMBER THAT WAS EVEN CLOSE TO $1 BILLION EVEN WHEN PEOPLE WERE KIND OF SPECULATING OR TRYING TO DO LIKE SQUARE FOOT

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TAKE OFFS OR OTHER TYPES OF UH ,WAYS OF APPROACHING IT UH, THE HIGH WATERMARK I EVER HEARD WAS LIKE 800 MILLION AND THAT WAS AGAIN HIGHLY SPECULATIVE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DID.

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YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THE DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVEN BUILDINGS AT MADISON ON THE COMPLEX. HOW MANY BUILDINGS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT. YEAH. >> WHAT IS THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT 800 MILLION IS BECAUSE

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,UM, YOU KNOW, KNOWING IF IF MADISON PARK IS YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS UM, TO BUILD UH, INFLATION TARIFFS, TAXES, COST OF UH

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MATERIAL. YOU KNOW, IF THE ESTIMATE WAS 800 MILLION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT COULD BE IT COULD BE CLOSE TO $1 BILLION 2 OR 3 YEARS FROM NOW THEM RIGHT. >> BUT I JUST WANT TO FOR THE

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RECORD, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT $800 MILLION ESTIMATE WAS LIKE DOING EVERY SINGLE THING YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO PUTTING EVERYTHING INTO THE COMPLEX, TAKING DOWN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, SWING SPACE THERE WERE A LOT

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OF FACTORS THAT WENT INTO THAT 800 MILLION AND AGAIN THAT WAS A IT WAS BETTER THAN BACK OF THE ENVELOPE BUT IT WAS KIND OF CLOSE TO A BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ESTIMATE. SO AND MORE RECENTLY WE WERE TALKING IN LIKE I SAID IN THE

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400 AND $600 MILLION RANGE AND AGAIN THAT WAS WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE VARIABLES LOCKED. >> YEAH OKAY. COUNCILOR FLYNN I'D JUST LIKE TO YEAH. GIVE OUR COLLEAGUES. UH OH I KNOW I KNOW THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS OUR COUNCIL LEVEL OKAY.

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YES I AGREE AND TO THE EXTENT I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES HERE BUT FOR CARL. AT WHAT POINT WOULD WE HAVE A BETTER. SENSE AT THE END OF THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY I YOU KNOW. YEAH.

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>> KYLE, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME, JUMP AHEAD. UM, SO AFTER WE PROCURE THE OPM, AN ARCHITECT WILL CONDUCT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. FEASIBILITY STUDY LEADS TO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION

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OF THE MSBA. THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION TO THE MSBA WILL INCLUDE A ESTIMATE SCHEDULE UM IN MORE AT

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THAT TIME WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE ANTICIPATED COST AND REIMBURSEMENT COMING BACK TO THE CITY WILL BE FOR UH FOR THE PROJECT. OF THE. >> PART. LIKELY WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL ABOUT PROBABLY ON THE ROUGH TIMELINE

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WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY FALL OF 2028. OKAY. >> AND RYAN, TO BE CLEAR BRIAN, TO BE CLEAR THAT'S A PREFERRED OPTION RIGHT? THE PSP. THAT IT WOULD BE THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN WOULD BE THE PREFERRED OPTION THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE MSBA THAT THEY WOULD

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HAVE TO APPROVE. OBVIOUSLY THE MSBA PLAYS A ROLE IN THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE REIMBURSING ON THIS. SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THE THE AGREED UPON SOLUTION IS THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND EDUCATIONALLY APPROPRIATE

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SOLUTION TO THE DISTRICT'S NEEDS. OKAY. >> THANKS. >> SO, UH, COUNCILOR. FLYNN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH. YEAH, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS IN THE SECOND ROUND IF YOU NEED TO CANCEL FITZGERALD, UH, SET THE TIMER FOR SIX MINUTES.

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THANK YOU. >> CHAIR. UH, AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL, UH, FOR BEING ON HERE TODAY ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC. UM, SO ULTIMATELY I CAN SAY THAT I AM I AM, UH, BEHIND

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THIS, UH, AUTHORIZATION OF THE 5 MILLION TO LOOK INTO THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM. >> I THINK IT'S, UH YOU KNOW, MADISON PARK DOES NEED NEW LIFE. WE DO NEED TO REINVEST IN OUR SCHOOLS. BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS IS EXACTLY

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WHAT THE CITY NEEDS. SO I DON'T WANT TO NOT TAKE THAT AT LEAST DOING THE STUDY ON THE FEASIBILITY AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. UM. >> SO I THINK IT'S WORTH THIS THIS THIS CHUNK OF CHANGE UP FRONT TO ALLOW FOR THAT

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FEASIBILITY. HOWEVER MY QUESTION REMAINS ON THE BACK END. UM, AND IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT COUNCILOR FLYNN WAS JUST TALKING TO BUT UM, WONDERING ABOUT THE YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE COMPARABLES

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OF OTHER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT RECENTLY WHETHER IN BOSTON OR IN SURROUNDING, YOU KNOW, GREATER BOSTON UM, AND SOME OF THE HUGE PRICE TAGS THAT CAN COME WITH THAT. UM. >> EVEN WITH A YOU KNOW, I

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DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GET FROM MSBA REIMBURSED, YOU KNOW, 30% 2530 OR 35% WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UM, I WOULD STILL ASSUME LOOKING AT SOME COMPS FROM OTHER SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE GOING

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TO BE IN THAT LIKE YOU KNOW, 400 AND $500 MILLION RANGE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS ALREADY IN THE QUEUE WITH MSBA WITH BATSON WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT. UM, AND I THINK IT'S THE UH THE

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TAIL SHOT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IS ALSO SOMEWHERE AHEAD OF THIS ONE I'VE HAD OF MADISON PARK. UM. >> BUT KNOWING SOME OF THOSE BIG NUMBERS ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE, I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH WITH THE WITH

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THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS WHAT THAT MIGHT DO IN SOAKING UP THE CAPITAL COSTS OF SOME OTHER PROJECTS. RIGHT. I DO BELIEVE THESE ARE GOOD PROJECTS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO

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KNOW WHAT THE FOLKS WHO KNOW ON WHAT THIS BODY SHOULD KNOW IS THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE MIGHT BE GIVING UP ON THE BACK END RIGHT? I MEAN DOES THIS MEAN THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER CAPITAL

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PROJECTS THAT UH THAT ARE IN THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN CURRENTLY THAT UM IF THINGS DO GET IF WE GET INTO THINGS LIKE BIG NUMBERS, COST OVERRUNS, INTEREST RATES, UH LABOR ETC.

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THAT CONTINUE TO ESCALATE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BIGGER NUMBERS DOES THAT SO DO WE HAVE TO PULL THAT FROM OTHER POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT CAN GO FORWARD?

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AND IF SO, DO WE KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE LIKE? DO WE START TO DIP INTO STREETS AND SIDEWALKS OR OTHER THINGS OR IS THAT ALL? CAN WE KEEP IT ALL SEPARATE ON A CAPITAL LEVEL?

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UM SO AGAIN WANT TO SAY I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. HOWEVER, I WANT TO BE HONEST WITH EVERYONE ABOUT WHAT POTENTIALLY THOSE LONG TERM IMPACTS ARE TO THE CAPITAL

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BUDGET. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU SPEAK TO THAT I MIGHT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT PANEL BUT THAT IS THAT'S ULTIMATELY MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN UH, GOING FORWARD. LIKE I CAN START ANSWERING THE

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QUESTION COUNCILOR FLYNN BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT REALLY IS A QUESTION FOR THE BUDGET OFFICE AND FOR THE FOR THAT UH, CABINET. UH, I HOWEVER, I DO KNOW WITH CONVERSATIONS FROM THEM THAT THEY ARE VERY MINDFUL OF THE

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EFFECT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON THE ENTIRE CAPITAL PLAN. RIGHT. UH, AND SO UM, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEGUN AS I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO FORECAST AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY

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WOULD DO AND HOW WE WOULD MANAGE AND WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE CAPITAL PLAN . UH, MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO IS THAT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF TAKING MONEY FROM AN EXISTING PROJECT OR EXISTING UH

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,ALLOCATIONS BUT MORE ABOUT NOT REALLY ACCEPTING MORE OR MUCH, MUCH MORE TO ADD ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT. RIGHT? SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'VE STARTED LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT HOW

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ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THIS, HOW DO WE SEQUENCE, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH NECESSARY WORK OR STATE OF GOOD REPAIR PROJECTS AS YOU OFTEN HEAR THEM SPEAK OF?

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UH, HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT GETTING OURSELVES OVERLY COMMITTED? AND SO I THINK I I'M GOING TO STOP THERE AND SAY THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT THE SPECIFIC HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT, WHAT THE

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PLAN IS, WHAT THE THINKING IS THAT REALLY SHOULD COME FROM THEM. BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THEM THAT THIS IS THEIR THINKING THAT YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD UM, SMARTLY, UH, WITH WHAT WE

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ALREADY HAVE IN THE PIPELINE. UM, AND WE'RE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MAJOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IN MIND. OKAY. >> YEAH, OBVIOUSLY WITH JUST

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OTHER RECENT ISSUES AND RECENT BIG PROJECTS SEEING THINGS AND JUST KNOWING DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION IN MY PAST ANYWAY LIKE OVERRUNS ARE PRETTY TYPICAL AND UM, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THIS SIZE

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THE OVERRUNS CAN BE A SIZABLE AND AND IT AFFECTS THINGS A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN JUST YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF BUCKS HERE AND THERE. AND UM I JUST WONDER WHAT ELSE MIGHT BE IMPACTED AND IF SO YOU

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KNOW WHERE IS THAT PULLED FROM ETC. BUT UM YEAH THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I FOLLOW UP IT'LL BE UM BUT BUT THANK YOU CAUSE I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM. >> AS FOR THE, UH, ACCELERATED REPAIR WHAT WHAT ARE THEY? AND MISS MCLAUGHLIN, THIS MIGHT

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BE MORE FOR YOU. I'M NOT SURE, BUT WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED REIMBURSEMENT ON THAT WHEN YOU DO THE ACCELERATED REPAIR VERSUS THE CORE PROGRAM ? IS THAT HIGHER OR LOWER? I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW OVER

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WHICH BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT THE TWO PROGRAMS. SO THE THE DISTRICT RECEIVES A BASE REIMBURSEMENT RATE THAT WOULD BE FOR BOTH CORE AND ACCELERATOR REPAIR PROGRAM PROJECTS.

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WE REALIZE UH, A LARGER REIMBURSEMENT ON ACCELERATOR REPAIR PROGRAM PROJECTS UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE DOING A CORE CORE PROGRAM PROJECT WE'RE NOT

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ONLY WORKING TOWARDS THE REIMBURSEMENT RATE BUT THE MSBA ALSO CAPS THEIR COST PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH THE CITY OF BOSTON CONSTRUCTION IS USUALLY HIGHER

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THAN THAT CAP. SO THAT IMPACTS OUR ACTUAL REALIZED REIMBURSEMENT ON LARGER PROJECTS WHICH WE USUALLY SEE A LOWER PERCENTAGE RATE THAN WHAT OUR ACTUAL REIMBURSEMENT RATE IS.

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SO OUR REIMBURSEMENT RATES AROUND 60% WHICH WE USUALLY SEE UM WHICH ARE USUALLY REALIZED OR CLOSE TO IT ON ACCELERATOR PROGRAM PROJECTS. CORE PROGRAM PROJECTS ARE

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ACTUAL REIMBURSEMENT RATE UM WHICH IS IMPACTED BY THE UH SQUARE FOOT COSTS IS IS USUALLY IS LOWER THAN THAT. GOTCHA NOW AND SO IF SO BUT EITHER WAY IT'S THE SAME FOR

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ERP AND CORE CORRECT SAME WAY FOR THE COST THE SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROGRAM YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS HIGHER FOR. YEAH FOR THE CORE PROGRAM PROJECTS COST PER SQUARE FOOT

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IS HIGHER IN MSP RECALCULATES THAT EVERY CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY UM THANK YOU I SEE CHAIR BACK ON BUT UM UH THE MAIN QUESTION WAS ANSWERED AND UH I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME GUYS AND

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILOR MURPHY. UNMUTE I THINK WE JUST YEAH. UH SO.

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MY ONE MY ONE QUESTION BRIAN OR SOMEONE IF YOU COULD JUST TALK THROUGH WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY OF THEM IN THE PAST AND WHY THEY'RE NECESSARY, BUT IF

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YOU COULD REFRESH MY MEMORY, DOES THAT COME BACK TO US LIKE BECAUSE I KNOW MY FORMER COLLEAGUES AND PROBABLY COLLEAGUES AFTER WILL KIND OF ASK THESE SAME TYPES OF QUESTIONS WHAT IF WE FIND

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OUT IT'S TOO MUCH OR OTHER THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR HAVE WE ALREADY LOCKED IN? IT'S JUST KIND OF GIVING US AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SPEND.

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BUT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO THIS. YEAH. >> SO THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE MSBA IS A GREAT QUESTION, COUNSELOR. UH, THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE MSBA PROCESS IS THAT DURING THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, UH, YOU

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APPROPRIATE FUNDS TWICE. THE FIRST IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND THAT'S TO GET MONEY TO BRING ON AN OPM AND AN ARCHITECT WHICH WILL GO THROUGH A FEASIBILITY STUDY. UH, AND THEY'LL DESIGN A

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PROJECT TO A PLACE THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE THE THE SCHEDULE, THE BUDGET AND THE REIMBURSEMENT ONCE WHERE AT THAT POINT THAT'S THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION TO THE MSBA.

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WE SUBMIT THAT TO THE MSBA. THEY APPROVE IT AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH WHAT THAT LARGE UH DOLLAR OR THE LARGER DOLLAR

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FIGURE WILL BE TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN THROUGH CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION. SO PROBABLY ABOUT I'D SAY 18 TO 24 MONTHS FROM NOW AFTER THE

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SCHEMATIC DESIGN IS COMPLETE, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND PRESENT TO YOU WHAT THE SCOPE AND THE COST WILL BE FOR A FUTURE MASSIVE PARK

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PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON. >> SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS WHEN IT COMES FORWARD TO US. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING ON THANK YOU CHAIR. OKAY THANK YOU. UH WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY

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COUNCIL AS WELL UH COUNCILOR COLE PEPPERS JUST AHEAD OF YOU. UM SO COUNCILOR CULPEPPER UM, SET THE TIMER FOR SIX MINUTES. OKAY.

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>> UH, YOU'RE ON MUTE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. YEAH. >> UH UH. I HAVE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? RIGHT. >> UH, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE

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TIMELINE. I KNOW THE NINE MONTH WAS MOSTLY FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN, BUT WHAT'S THE OVERALL TIMELINE

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FOR IF IF ALL THE MONEY FALLS IN PLACE COMPLETING THIS PROJECT? RIGHT ALONG WITH THAT. YEAH.

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DO YOU I MEAN, I THINK THE GOAL WILL BE TO START UM, CONSTRUCTION IN 2030 WITH THAT I MEAN TO BE A TWO PLUS YEAR

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CONSTRUCTION UH, PROCESS DUE TO THE LARGE NATURE OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'D PROBABLY ANTICIPATE ABOUT THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION. SO MAYBE UM, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.

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UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET INTO THE GROUND 2030 WITH UH, ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE OF 2033. UM, CAN YOU TAKE ME TO THE SEVEN YEARS THAT THAT WOULD

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TAKE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WE KNOW THE NINE MONTHS OF PLANNING AND DESIGN. WHAT IS THE. SO YOU'RE THINKING 2033, RIGHT

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. SO THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. WHAT'S THE FOUR YEARS FROM 2026

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TO 2030 LOOK LIKE? HELLO SORRY FIND MY MY MUTE. BUTTON OKAY OKAY APOLOGIES. UM SO WE. >> STILL. HAVE SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH THE MSBA PROCESS, RIGHT?

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WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD RIGHT? WE HAVE INTERNET I MEAN. THAT'S HOW LONG. THAT'S ANTICIPATING A BOARD VOTE OF OCTOBER 2026. WE HAVE A CONSULTANT SELECTION

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WHICH WILL LIKELY BE FROM THE FALL OF 2026 THROUGH THE SUMMER OF 2027. THE SELECTION OF.

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THE OPM AND THE ARCHITECT WHICH WILL LIKELY WHICH WILL LIKELY BE COMPLETE SOMETIME LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL OF 2027 OKAY

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THEN WE HAVE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE SBA WHICH IS USUALLY BROKEN UP INTO TWO TWO PARTS PRELIMINARY DESIGN

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PROGRAM AND THEN THE PREFERRED SCHEMATIC REPORT THAT WILL TAKE US FROM THE FALL OF 2027 THROUGH THE FALL OF 2028.

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OKAY. >> THAT WILL THEN LEAD TO A SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION IN THE FALL OF 2028, WHICH WILL BE THE TIME WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS BODY WITH A BETTER

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UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROJECT SCOPE AND BUDGET WILL BE FOR A FUTURE MASS PARK. APPROVAL AFTER SCHEMATIC DESIGN

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WILL GO INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND BIDDING. THAT'S 2029. 2029 EARLY PACKAGES SO WE'LL IF

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IT POSSIBLE WE'LL BRING ON A UM A CONTRACT EARLY SO WE CAN RELEASE EARLY BID PACKAGES TO GET LIKE FOUNDATION WORK DONE UM IN 2020 AND 30.

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AND THAT'S AGAIN THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL. OVERVIEW OF OF WHAT. A PROCESS MAY LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE. ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE. UH, APPROPRIATION TO GET

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APPROVAL FROM THE MSBA IN OCTOBER. AND AT. WHAT POINT IN THIS STAGE WILL NUMBER ONE THE.

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COST BE DETERMINED. AND THE MONEY LOCKED IN. TO ACTUALLY. >> PAY FOR THE BUILDING? UM, AT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION UM WHICH WE.

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2022 YEAH UM PROBABLY LATE SUMMER FALL OF 2028. SO WE WON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST UNTIL 2028.

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YEAH THE SECOND HALF OF 2028. UM, AT WHAT POINT WILL THE MONEY BE UH. APPROVED OR APPROPRIATED.

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AFTER THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN? SO WE SUBMIT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN TO THE MSBA. THE MSBA BOARD APPROVES THE SMAC DESIGN AND THAT TRIGGERS A 90 DAY PERIOD WHERE THE

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DISTRICT HAS TO. APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT. SO AFTER THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN IS APPROVED BY THE MSBA BOARD WILL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

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PRESENT THE TOTAL UH PROJECT BUDGET TO YOU GUYS AND THEN YOU'LL. YOU'LL HAVE A VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO.

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IT COULD BE 2030. THAT WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON APPROVING IT. NO IT WOULD BE. 2028 SOMETIME IN 2028. NO NO YOU SAID JUST YOU.

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>> SAID THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR FALL OF 2028. YEAH RIGHT. THEN YOU WOULD SUBMIT THIS SCHEMATIC DESIGN. AT SOME POINT IN 2029.

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NO 2028 THE. SECOND HALF OF 2028 WE'RE LOOKING AT LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL FOR THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION TO THE MSBA. THEY WILL THEN BRING IT TO THEIR BOARD AT ONE OF THE BOARD

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MEETINGS AROUND THE SAME TIME PROBABLY FALL OF 2028 ONCE. THEY'VE VOTED. WE HAVE. >> TO GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU YOU SAID. THIS SCHEMATIC DESIGN WILL.

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BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 2028. THAT'S WHAT I WROTE HERE. THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN WILL BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 2028. MHM. >> IT WILL THEN BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.

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MSBA BOARD. THE MPA BOARD. BUT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING WILL WE KNOW THE FUNDING AT THE END

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OF THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS. WHEN WE SUBMIT THE INFORMATION TO THE MSBA BOARD THEY WILL AT THAT POINT WILL KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET WILL BE

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FOR THE PROJECT. IN 2029. LATE NO FALL 2028. OKAY SO. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS CLEAR THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN WILL

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BE FINISHED. I HAVE IN FALL OF 2028. YES YEAH. WE WON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST AT THAT POINT. WE WILL. WE WILL YES.

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SO AT THE END OF THE. SCHEMATIC DESIGN PERIOD WE'LL KNOW THE COSTS. CORRECT AND THE REIMBURSEMENT IN A UH SCHEDULE.

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AND A SCHEDULE AND AT THAT POINT FALL OF 2028 AND WILL THEN BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD WITH THE AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH IT

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WILL COST TO ACTUALLY. BUILD THE. THE NEW SCHOOL. COUNSELOR, IF I MAY. AT THE BEGINNING. IT'S AT THAT POINT IT'S STILL AN ESTIMATE THOUGH RIGHT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT

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WE'RE CLEAR. YEAH THAT THAT'S A POINT OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN. YOU GET A BID ESTIMATE DESIGN OKAY BUT YOU WON'T TRULY KNOW HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY BID.

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OKAY SO. YEAH OKAY. SO WE'LL. >> GET A GUESSTIMATE IN FALL OF 2028 RIGHT. THE GUESSTIMATE WILL THEN GO TO THE BOARD.

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AND THE RIGHT. YEAH IT'S A PRETTY. THOROUGH ESTIMATE IT WE HAVE ARCHITECTS AND WHO USE

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PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATORS UH BASED UPON A DESIGN OF A BUILDING THAT WILL GIVE US A VERY A GOOD ESTIMATE. SO IT'S BEYOND. JUST A GET IT'S BEYOND JUST

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YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE IT'S VERY VERY MUCH NOT A GUESSTIMATE AT THAT POINT. SO COUNSELOR. CULPEPPER I'M SORRY, I JUST, UH YOU'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES OVER. TONIGHT. >> GIVE COUNCILOR WORRELL A CHANCE. >> BUT I.

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JUST WANT. CAN I WIN THIS UP NOW? YES. >> GREAT. THANKS. >> SO YOU DIDN'T COUNT. >> THE AMOUNT OF TIME THIS WEEK IS JUST TALKING. IT'S KIND OF MY TIME, SO. >> SO IN 2020 AIM FOR WE'LL

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HAVE. A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL THEN GO TO THE BOARD RIGHT. CORRECT. >> UM, HOW LONG WILL IT BE

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BEFORE THE BOARD APPROVES IT? THE READ BRIAN. THE THE MSBA. BOARD WILL SUBMIT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND THE MSP BOARD WILL VOTE ON IT PROBABLY SIX WEEKS

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LATER. THIS IS THIS IS UM. OKAY OKAY OKAY. >> WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY. >> WITH THE MSPS DURING THIS TIME SO THE CURRENT POLICIES IN PLACE. SO WE'RE SO WE'RE UH. CLOSE TO 2029 THERE RIGHT?

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OKAY. SO LEADING UP TO THE. FALL OF. >> 2028 AT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN. RIGHT THE FALL OR. SEPTEMBER RIGHT. IT YES YES SUMMER EARLY SEPTEMBER. OCTOBER NOVEMBER BOARD. >> VOTE RIGHT IT GO SO THE

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NOVEMBER. BOARD VOTE RIGHT OKAY SO WOULD THE NOVEMBER BOARD VOTE. >> TO APPROVE IT. IT WILL THEN GO OUT TO BID NO. >> THEN WE'LL GO ON TO DESIGN. THERE'LL BE FURTHER DESIGN AFTER THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN

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SUBMISSION OKAY. HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE. THAT WILL BE. THROUGH THE END UM. EASILY 2028. INTO THE. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT.

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WAIT RIGHT RIGHT IN 2029. >> IT WILL THEN GO OUT TO BID. AT SOME POINT IDEALLY YES YEAH. MAYBE BY THE. SPRING OR. SUMMER OF 2029.

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I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. UM EARLY BID PACKAGES NOT THE FULL RIGHT CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT THEN. IT WILL.

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COME BACK IF WITH A MORE CREDIBLE NUMBER OR MORE SOLID NUMBER. MAYBE AT THE END. >> OF THE SUMMER 2029. ARE YOU SPEAKING OF AFTER IT'S BID. RIGHT RIGHT.

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SO THE BIG RIGHT RIGHT. SO WHERE AT FALL OF 2029 WHEN IT COME BACK OR THE BID GOES OUT AND THEN WENT TO 2030.

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WE WILL HAVE A FINAL NUMBER WE'LL HAVE. >> A FINAL. NUMBER WE. YES WE'LL HAVE A FINAL NUMBER BECAUSE WE'RE THEN GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION RIGHT. IN 2030. THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. BUT WE. >> WON'T BE BACK BEFORE THE

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CITY. COUNCIL UNLESS IT'S THE LAST TIME WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FUNDING WILL BE AT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SUBMISSION BACK IN THE FALL OF 2028. OKAY. AND SO.

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THE SHOVEL. IN THE GROUND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE FALL OF 2030. I WOULD SAY WINTER 2030. >> I'D SAY YEAH OKAY.

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AND SO AND THAT'S THREE YEAR. SO SO IT'S ABOUT SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW. FORWARD TO COMPLETE RIGHT. YES THAT'S. WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING ON MSBA PROJECTS. OKAY OKAY.

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OKAY THANK. YOU OKAY THANKS. I DO HAVE A FEW MORE. QUESTIONS BUT IF THERE'S A SECOND ROUND I'LL RAISE THEM AND THE SECOND. OKAY THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. SURE. >> UH.

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COUNSELOR EARL DOING, UH, SIX MINUTES.

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UM. OKAY. COUNCIL EARL. UH, WE'LL SAVE YOUR PLACE IN LINE I THINK, UH UM I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SOME OTHER

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QUESTIONS. UH. DO WE I WANTED TO JUST MAKE ROOM FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. KRISHNA, IS THERE ANYONE. UH. >> SORRY, MR CHAIR, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

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UH, OKAY. BEFORE A. >> PUBLIC TESTIMONY COUNCIL EARL. UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL THAT'S HERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS UM,

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THAT I HAD HAVE BEEN ASKED BUT THE ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK I'VE CAUGHT IS THE LOCATION. ARE WE SUBMITTING? YES. FOR ANY ONE LOCATION. OR CAN WE SUBMIT ARE WE

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SUBMITTED MULTIPLE LOCATIONS? CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT OUR LOCATION IS DETERMINED IN THIS PROCESS. BRIAN WILL YOU TAKE THAT ONE? BUT THE ANSWER IS NO. WE DON'T SUBMIT FOR OUR LOCATION. NO. >> DURING THE UH. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, AS

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PART OF THE MSBA PROCESS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR A. SOLUTION TO A TO A A. FUTURE PROJECT FOR ANY OF THE. SCHOOLS WE'RE WORKING WITH. IN THE MSBA.

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AS PART OF THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A NO BUILD OPTION ADDITION RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OPTION, ANY. NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION. UM DURING. >> THE. FEASIBILITY STUDY WE WILL UM

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EXPLORE VARIOUS SITES THAT UH POTENTIAL PROJECT COULD BE LOCATED ON UM BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UM DISCUSSED AND REVIEWED AS WE

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GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE MSBA PROCESS. UH SO AND I KNOW UM, MR JONES, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST

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COST FOR BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL BEING I THINK IT WAS TWO OR 3 OR 4 TIMES AS HIGH. ARE WE SEEING THAT STEADY STEADY OUT NOW OR IS IT STILL INCREASING.

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INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH COUNSELING GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSELOR WORLD. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH WE'RE SEEING THINGS PLATEAU AND I WANT TO SAY THEY'RE COMING DOWN BUT THEY'RE NOT CONTINUING TO INCREASE. SO OUR BIDS ARE COMING BACK IN

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MORE FAVORABLY THAN WE WERE EXPECTING IN IN SEVERAL CASES. AGAIN YOU KNOW THE MARKET CHANGES ALL THE TIME BUT UH IT'S NOT LIKE SKYROCKETING SKYROCKETING LIKE IT HAD BEEN

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IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SORT OF PLATEAUING AT THE MOMENT AT WHICH I'M WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR. UH THE. EXTENT OF IT IT IS IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT. >> IT'S PLATFORM. THAT'S RIGHT. >> UM NO NO FURTHER QUESTIONS

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FOR ME BUT DEFINITELY A PROCESS THAT I WILL BE STAYING ENGAGED WITH. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> THANKS. SO I GUESS JUST A. COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM THE CHAIR . UM, IN TERMS OF THE FEASIBILITY

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STUDY, IS THERE LIKE A. COMMUNITY PROCESS AROUND THAT? I MEAN HOW DO WE. IN TERMS OF LIKE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WHETHER WE'RE RENOVATING THE EXISTING BUILDING, KNOCKING IT

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TO HEARING. WHAT UM WHAT SORT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS THERE? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST. PARTS OF THE MSBA UH MSP PROJECTS IS THE.

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AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY PROCESS THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM, IN THE OVERALL PROJECT UH, ONCE THE OPM AN ARCHITECT ARE

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ON BOARD UH A A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE WORK IS GATHERING INFORMATION FROM. SCHOOL COMMUNITY. UH, IN THE WIDER COMMUNITY AROUND MADISON PARK AND ALL

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THOSE THAT PLAY A ROLE IN UH, MADISON PARK WILL HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD. WHEN WORKING THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. >> INTO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN. OKAY. >> AND THEN CAN YOU. JUST BREAK DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE THE. $5 MILLION LIKE HOW HOW DO YOU

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EXPECT THAT TO BE SPENT? SO I ONCE WE PUT. THE OPM PROCUREMENT OUT WE'LL GET THE OPM WILL NEGOTIATE A FEE WITH THEM. UM SAME THING WILL BE DONE FOR

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THE ARCHITECT I THINK $5 MILLION IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN WE'LL INITIALLY NEED, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH TO BRING ON THE RIGHT

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TEAM TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. IT'S USUALLY AROUND 7030 UH, SPLIT DURING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IN TERMS OF THE OPM GETTING 30% OF THE APPROPRIATION IN THE ARCHITECT

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IN THERE, UM, ADDITIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO IT COULD BE HAZMAT UM CONSULTANTS OR UM DIFFERENT CONSULTS THEY MAY NEED TO BRING ON FOR PART

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OF THE EXPLORER WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. SO IT'S LIKE I SAID IT'S USUALLY A 3070 SPLIT WHEN IT WHEN WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE THE OVERALL APPROPRIATION IN THE ONCE THE FEES NEGOTIATED

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WITH THE TEAM. OKAY. >> UH I GUESS JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, I THINK. WHEN WILL WE SEE MADISON PARK

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LIKE IN THE IN THE FULL COST IT'S PART OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET. UM, BECAUSE NOW THERE'S MONEY FOR MADISON PARK IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET BUT IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S NOWHERE NEAR THE BUT

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WE EXPECT IT TO COST. I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. UH, MR CHAIR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT HOW THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CAPITAL PLAN RELATE TO THE MONEY THAT WE

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WILL REQUEST IN THE FUTURE? I GUESS SO WE HAVE 90 DAYS ONCE IT'S APPROVED BY THE MSBA TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS AND THEN WE GET REIMBURSED. >> OR OUR. PORTION OF IT I GUESS YOU KNOW WHEN.

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WELL WHEN WILL WE HAVE. THAT AMOUNT IN THE YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE I GUESS. SO THE REIMBURSEMENT HAPPENS ON A MUCH DIFFERENT PATH AND STREAM. UM BRIAN, AGAIN I'M GOING TO

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ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE IT UH IN MY MIND HAS CHANGED OVER TIME SO I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK BUT IN TERMS OF THE MONEY THAT UM WOULD BE PART OF THE APPROPRIATION IT'S ADDITIVE. RIGHT? SO IT WILL BE AND WE'LL SAY HOW

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MUCH MONEY WE HAVE NOW, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WE NEED WILL BE THE TOTAL REQUEST AND I WILL JUST ASK FOR THE DIFFERENCE MINUS WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT BASED ON THIS APPROPRIATION.

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SO WOULD THAT BE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR? >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT WILL BE IN THE CAPITAL. IT'S ALL PART OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET THAT. OKAY BRIAN YOU AGREE I THINK YES. YEAH OKAY. UM OKAY THANK YOU.

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UH FIRST THAT'S IT FOR THE FIRST ROUND. I THINK IF WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE UH FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY LET'S HEAR FROM THEM AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MY COLLEAGUES IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

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KARISHMA. THEY'RE BECOMING PANELISTS NOW. >> HELLO. >> UM, I. MY NAME IS GREGORY MAYNARD AND I AM THE CO-FOUNDER. >> AND. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BOSTON HOUSING. IN BOSTON'S.

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MOST RECENT CAPITAL BUDGET, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW CAPITAL SPENDING FROM FY 27 TO 531. IT CALLS FOR SPENDING A TOTAL OF JUST $100 MILLION ON MADISON PARK.

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THAT NUMBER SEEMS UNREALISTICALLY LOW GIVEN THAT THE MOST RECENT ESTIMATE FOR MADISON PARK WAS $700 MILLION. THAT GAP IS CONCERNING BECAUSE AS WE HEARD IN TODAY'S HEARING,

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THE CITY PLANS TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 2030 MEANING FY 30 OR 31 FIRMLY WITHIN THE TIME FRAME FOR THE MOST RECENT CAPITAL BUDGET. THE GAP BETWEEN MADISON PARK IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED AT AND WHAT

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IT WILL ACTUALLY COST IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT HIGHLIGHTS AN ISSUE THAT HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION IN THE MOST RECENT ROUND OF HEARINGS AT BOSTON'S CAPITAL BUDGET. THAT ISSUE IS HOW INACCURATE

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THE CAPITAL BUDGET SINCE MANY PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED YEAR AFTER YEAR WITH THE MONEY SUPPORTERS SUPPOSEDLY PLEDGED TO THEM NEVER ACTUALLY SPENT WHILE OTHER PROJECTS SPENT FAR MORE THAN WAS ESTIMATED IN THE

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BUDGETS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. JUST HOW MUCH OF A GAP THERE WILL BE BETWEEN THE $100 MILLION THAT IS IN THE MOST RECENT CAPITAL BUDGET DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH MADISON PARK ENDS UP COSTING.

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THE $700 MILLION ESTIMATE IS NOW QUITE OLD. IT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2023 LOOKING AT THE OTHER URBAN PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS ACROSS MASSACHUSETTS, THE COST COULD BE EVEN HIGHER.

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SOMERVILLE HIGH SCHOOL WAS COMPLETED IN 2021 AND IT COST. $256 MILLION. REVERE HIGH SCHOOL BROKE GROUND LAST YEAR AND IT IS ESTIMATED TO COST $493 MILLION.

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BROCKTON HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS STILL IN THE PLANNING STAGES, IS ESTIMATED TO COST $800 MILLION. WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN? THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS EITHER BOSTON'S FIVE YEAR, $4.4

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BILLION CAPITAL BUDGET WILL IN FACT BE FAR HIGHER TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT BOSTON NEEDS TO SPEND BUILDING MADISON PARK OR THE CAPITAL BUDGET WILL STICK WITH THE TOP LINE NUMBERS FOR

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THOSE LATER YEARS AND A LOT OF OTHER SPENDING CURRENTLY CALLED FOR IN THAT FUTURE FY 28 TO FI 31 PERIOD WILL NOT HAPPEN. THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH BOSTON'S CAPITAL BUDGET.

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COUNCILORS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND NOT GOTTEN GOOD ANSWERS, AND THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR UP THAT PARTICULAR CONCERN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

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UH NEXT UP. UH GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ARE YOU PAY I'M THE POLITICAL ORGANIZER OF THE BOSTON TEACHERS UNION AND ON BEHALF OF OVER OUR OF OUR OVER

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10,000 MEMBERS WE ARE IN FIRM SUPPORT OF THE MADISON PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT AND OTHER SYSTEMATIC REVIEWS AND PAYMENTS TOWARDS THE MSBA PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTED IN DOCKET 1311 1312

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MADISON PARK IS THE ONLY VOCATIONAL SCHOOL IN THE CITY AND IS A CORNERSTONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT PROVIDES CLEAR PIPELINES TO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND ECONOMIC STABILITY FOR COUNTLESS BOSTON STUDENTS. A NEW CAMPUS FOR THE SCHOOL

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WILL PROVIDE STUDENTS, TEACHERS AND FACULTY WITH A SORELY NEEDED NEW CAMPUS THAT IS OVERDUE TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE GREATLY ENCOURAGED BY THE CITY'S INCREASED USE OF THE MSBA PROCESS AND WOULD LIKE TO

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SEE THE CITY PURSUE EVEN MORE OF THESE PROJECTS. BOSTON HAS SOME OF THE OLDEST FACILITIES IN THE STATE THAT ARE IN DIRE NEED OF REPAIR. FURTHERMORE. >> ALL PROJECTS DO NOT NEED TO BE TO THE SCALE OF MADISON PARK. THE CITY CAN AND SHOULD PURSUE

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OTHER PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THE RENOVATION OF THE PJ KENNEDY OR SARAH ROBERTS IN 2025. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL THE PARTNERS OF BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT EVERY BOSTON CHILD CAN BE GUARANTEED A SCHOOL

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BUILDING THAT CAN BE SAFE, COMFORTABLE AND SUCCESSFUL IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH ONCE AGAIN TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE TIME AND ONCE AGAIN THE BTU IS GREATLY ENCOURAGED BY THE CITY'S PURSUIT OF THE MSB PROGRAM TO

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TRANSFORM OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF BOTH MSBA APPLICATIONS AND DOCKETS 1311 AND 1312. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHRIS . I THINK THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

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THAT'S IT. OKAY. UH SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ACTUALLY I MEAN I THINK COUNCILOR FLYNN YOU GOT SOME QUESTIONS IN CULPEPER YOU MENTIONED IF ANYONE ELSE HAS FOLLOW UP

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QUESTIONS JUST RAISE YOUR HAND UH, OF THE COUNCILORS AND I'LL CALL ON YOU. SO COUNCILOR FLYNN, UH. GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU.

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WITH WITH MADISON MADISON PARK AND THE JOHN O'BRIEN SCHOOL. BASICALLY SHARING A CAMPUS. WHAT WHAT IMPACT.

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IS PLANNING HAVE ON ON MADISON PARK ON ON A BRYANT UM ESPECIALLY WHAT IS THE STATUS OF O'BRIEN THE THE SHORT TERM

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PLAN THE LONG TERM PLAN WHAT IMPACT WILL IT HAVE WITH WITH POTENTIALLY A. NEW A NEW SCHOOL? UM BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A

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A A DECISION BY DPS. THEY PROMISED A DECISION. ON ON. O'BRIEN WHAT THE PLAN WAS FOR O'BRIEN UM BUT I, I DON'T THINK

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THAT WAS EVER ANNOUNCED. UM DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR ME? UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNSELOR. RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO UM. BUT AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL WE

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DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT LIKE MAJOR RENOVATION OR NEW BUILD PLAN FOR THE O'BRIEN. OUR CURRENT PLAN AS A DISTRICT IS TO CONTINUE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT TO THE BUILDING.

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UM, TO SUPPORT STUDENT LEARNING WHERE FEASIBLE. RIGHT. >> WELL THANK YOU, BUT I DO REMEMBER WHEN, UM, SUPERINTENDENT SHEPARD DID PROMISE US THAT THERE WOULD BE. >> A NEW. UH THERE WOULD BE A PLAN FOR

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O'BRYANT THAT WOULD BE. RELEASED PUBLICLY. BUT THAT WAS. THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UM, BUT WHY WHY ISN'T THERE A PLAN FOR OLD BRYANT?

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UM, THE CURRENTLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT UM, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN THE MSBA PIPELINES AND ALL OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE MAYOR IS STILL COMMITTED TO THE O'BRIEN

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SCHOOL COMMUNITY. UM, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THE CURRENT UH THE CURRENT UM PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MORE PROJECT IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE'VE EVER HAD.

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WE HAVE THE ROUTE BATSON WE HAVE THE SHAW TAYLOR THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE PIPELINE AND ALSO UM MADISON PARK NOW AND QUITE A NUMBER OF ERP PROJECTS

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AND SOME SMALLER CAPITAL RENOVATIONS ACROSS THE DISTRICT AS THOSE PROJECTS ARE MOVING UH ,AS PROJECTS ARE MOVING OUT OF THE PIPELINE, UM, AS A

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DISTRICT AND CITY, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE O'BRIEN SCHOOL COMMUNITY AND UM WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR DMSP AND OTHER PARTNERS TO MOVE MORE PROJECTS

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THROUGH THE PIPELINE. BUT THE THE THE PLAN FOR O'BRIEN WAS SCHEDULED TO BE

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ANNOUNCED AT THE END OF 2024. AND YOU. >> KNOW THIS THAT THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. I'M JUST TRYING TO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS

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OF WHY HASN'T THAT PLAN BEEN. RELEASED AND WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR BRYANT? BECAUSE BECAUSE THE THE MADISON PARK HAS AN IMPACT ONE WAY OR

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THE OTHER ON A BRYANT AND I SUPPORT BOTH SCHOOLS. UH, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR UM, THEO BRYANT AND WE WE WERE PROMISED BY BY BP'S

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SENIOR LEADERSHIP. >> THAT IT WOULD. BE RELEASED. AND THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. SO AS I SAID, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT LIKE CAPITAL LIKE UH, LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CAPITAL

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BUDGET, RIGHT. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR RENOVATION OR UM, NEW BUILD PLAN FOR THE O'BRIEN HOWEVER, LIKE OUR CURRENT PLAN UM FOR

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THE O'BRIEN IS TO CONTINUE ONGOING WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL LEADER AND THE O'BRIEN STAFF AND TEAM ON ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT TO, UM, THE

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O'BRIEN CAMPUS. UH, UM JUST LIKE WHERE UM, AS A DISTRICT WE SEE FEASIBLE. SO OUR FACILITIES TEAM IS IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL LEADER.

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UM, SO IS OUR, UH, DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT OF OPERATIONS AND COLLABORATION COLLABORATING WITH THE O'BRIEN TEAM ON ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF THEIR CURRENT SPACE. UH, CONSIDER FLYNN.

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YEAH. OKAY. AND WHAT. >> IT'S AT WAS A CHALLENGE, BUT, UH. SO I CAN GIVE ME THE THREE MINUTES ARE, UH, UP. ANYTHING TO WRAP UP? NO, I KNOW I, UH IT'S NOT

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ENOUGH TIME FOR ME TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, MISTER CHAIR. >> I'M ASKING. IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. I NEED TO BE PREPARED. AND AND YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME ENOUGH TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS. I COME HERE WITH A. >> LIST OF. QUESTIONS TO.

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ASK BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPORTANT. I NEED TO DO MY DUE. DILIGENCE. >> BUT. I'M I'M. >> NOT GETTING A FAIR. OPPORTUNITY TO ASK. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE COUNCILOR CULPEPER, UH, A CHANCE SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK, UH, TO YOU, COUNCILOR FLYNN. OKAY.

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YEAH. UH, AND THEN AGAINST COUNCILOR FITZGERALD YOU'RE ON BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER . UH, THREE MINUTES. YEAH. I JUST. >> WANTED TO PICK UP WHERE

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COUNCILOR FLYNN LEFT FOR WITH REGARD TO THE COLLABORATION. AND SO IF WE KNOW THAT MADISON PARK MAY NOT BE COMPLETED FOR SEVEN YEARS, HOW THE

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COLLABORATION TAKING PLACE WOULD UM THE JOHN D O'BRIEN UM HAD THAT COLLABORATION STARTED ALREADY?

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UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION . UM COUNCILOR DE THE MSBA PROJECT FOR MADISON PARK IS UM COMPLETELY SEPARATE THAN ANY

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THING THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE O'BRIEN LIKE WHEN SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE MSB IT NEEDS TO BE IT HAS TO BE FOR ONE SPECIFIC UM SCHOOL AND EDUCATION PROGRAM.

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UM, UH, AS THINGS ARE HAPPENING OR AS WE WERE MOVING THE APPLICATION FORWARD, OUR TEAM WAS VERY IN CLOSE UM COMMUNICATION UM WITH THE O'BRIEN TEAM AND AS I SHARED IN

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TERMS OF LIKE ONGOING WORK, UM WITH THE O'BRIEN OUR TEAM UM, IS COMMITTED LIKE THE DISTRICT IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND

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IMPROVEMENT UM, TO THE O'BRIEN UH, TO SUPPORT STUDENT LEARNING LIKE WHERE IT'S FEASIBLE. ,I MEAN, BUT SO MADISON PARK IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN

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2033, RIGHT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE JOHN DE O'BRIEN AND YOU SAID THEY'RE COLLABORATING. HOW DOES THE COLLABORATION MOVE ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT

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OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MADISON PARK? UM, SO SEPARATE FROM THE UH MADISON PARK PROJECT? UM, AS PART OF I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND THE

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SUPERINTENDENT HAS SHARED COMMITMENT TO THE UM, O'BRIEN UH, SCHOOL COMMUNITY. UM, WE DO THE MSB PROCESS YEAR OVER YEAR. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE UM

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SCHOOLS IN THE PIPELINE AND WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE MSBA ON A FOURTH CORE PROGRAM. SO A YEAR OVER YEAR AS WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS ON LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL

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BUDGET LIKE EXPENDITURE UM THE O'BRIEN IS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR DEMAND A SUPERINTENDENT AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES UM, WITH THE MSBA

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AND OTHER PARTNERS UM, IN THE LONGER TERM WITH O'BRIEN. I KNOW, BUT YOU SAID YOU'RE COLLABORATING WITH THE O'BRIEN AS YOU'RE PLANNING TO SUPPORT WHAT DOES THE COLLABORATION CONSIST?

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UM. SO WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE AND WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR MADISON FOR JOHN THE O'BRIEN. SO IN TERMS OF UM WHEN I SAY

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COLLABORATION IN THE PROCESS, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS UH, MADISON PARK AND O'BRIEN SHARE FOR CERTAIN FACILITIES UM AND UH OUTDOOR SPACE ON THE CAMPUS.

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SO UM THE COLLABORATION JUST MEANS MAKING SURE THAT OUR TEAM IS KEEPING THE O'BRIEN COMMUNITY UPDATED ON, UH, A LOT OF THE WORK AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE JOHN

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DEERE O'BRIEN IT YEAH. YEP. >> SO OUR TEAM UM, IS UH OUR TEAM IS UH, CLOSELY UPDATING THE UM, O'BRIEN COMMUNITY.

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RIGHT. >> I'M SORRY. UM, YEAH. SO OUR TEAM IS CLOSELY, UM, WORKING AND UPDATING THE O'BRIEN ON ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING, UM, WITH THE MADISON PARK COMMUNITY.

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I KNOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE O'BRIEN? TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT THE O'BRIEN IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND.

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POSSIBILITY. WHAT WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE O'BRIEN? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MADISON PARK IS MOVING RIGHT ALONG RIGHT 2033 THEY'RE GOING

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TO HAVE A NEW MANAGER SUPPORT. WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE O'BRIEN. SO AT THE MOMENT AT THE MOMENT AS A DISTRICT WE HAVE NO RENOVATION OR NEW BUILD PLAN IN

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THE PIPELINE FOR THE O'BRIEN. SO WHAT'S THE COLLABORATION CONSISTING OF THEN? SO WHEN I SAY COLLABORATION WITH THE O'BRIEN SCHOOL COMMUNITY IS BRINGING THE

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O'BRIEN SCHOOL COMMUNITY ALONG BECAUSE THEY SHARE FACILITIES WITH MAY. GROW RIGHT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE BRINGING THEM ALONG IN THE MSBA PROCESS. UM, THAT MADISON PARK IS

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CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH SO THAT THEY'RE UPDATED, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING. I KNOW THAT'S FROM MADISON PARK SO THERE'S NOTHING NOTHING BEING PLANNED FOR JOHN O'BRIEN RIGHT NOW.

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OUTSIDE OF OUTSIDE OF CONTINUING UM WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL UH LEADER ON CONTINUED MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT TO THE CURRENT SPACE. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING. OKAY.

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>> SO COUNSELOR CULPEPER COULD LAST YOU, UM. OKAY. COUNSELOR FLINTRIDGE OF, UH, FINAL QUESTIONS.

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I DID, UH I WAS FOCUSED ON THE O'BRYANT AND MADISON PARK. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THE O'BRYANT IS A PRIORITY IF WE

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DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN. UM, YES, WE'RE COLLABORATING AND WE'RE. WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER. BUT THERE IS NO. >> PLAN FOR THE YOUR BRYANT UH ,I WANT TO SEE A PLAN THAT WAS PROMISED TO.

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US SEVERAL YEARS AGO. BY DPS. SENIOR LEADERSHIP THAT THAT WOULD BE A PLAN PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE O'BRYANT SCHOOL.

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BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. BUT WAS THERE A PLAN ON THE O'BRYANT SCHOOL AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO IT? UH, COUNSELOR, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE UM THE MAN THE

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SUPERINTENDENT PUT A PROPOSAL OUT UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, ON THE O'BRYANT UM AT THE OLD UM THE FORMER WEST ROXBURY UM HIGH SCHOOL COMPLEX.

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UM, THE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY UM THE O'BRIEN COMMUNITY WAS NOT ALIGNED ON. UM AND THAT PLAN WAS UM, PULLED OFF THE TABLE. I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND THE

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SUPERINTENDENT IS UM, STILL UM, IS COMMITTED TO THE O'BRIEN COMMUNITY. UM AND AS I SHARED WITH THE CURRENT UM, CONSTRAINTS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET YEAR OVER YEAR WE ARE UM MOVING SCHOOLS IN AND

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OUT OF THE PIPELINE WITH THE MSBA. UM, AS WE'RE COLLABORATING WITH THE MSBA, UM AND THE O'BRIEN IS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT IS STILL COMMITTED TO. AND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE

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MSBA PROCESS AND LOOKING AT OUR CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, THE O'BRYANT WILL BE A PART OF OUR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. I DO. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE O'BRYANT TO SCHOOL OF MATH AND

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MATH AND SCIENCE. I DO BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT SCHOOL AND UH PREDOMINANTLY A COMMUNITY OF COLOR, UM NEIGHBORHOOD IN BOSTON.

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UM, I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE PLAN WHEN THE PROPOSAL. WAS TO MOVE INTO TO WEST ROXBURY BECAUSE IT WAS. VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO WEST ROCK WITHOUT BY PUBLIC

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TRANSPORTATION. UM, BUT IS THERE A COMMITMENT THAT THE THE OLD BRYANT IS GOING. TO STAY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD UM PREDOMINANTLY UM A.

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NEIGHBORHOOD OF COLOR. THAT'S THAT'S I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THAT. BECAUSE AN EXAM SCORE SUCH AS THE O'BRYANT THEY. DO AN. EXCEPTIONAL JOB. >> I BELIEVE. IT SHOULD STAY IN A IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF COLOR.

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>> IS THAT IS THAT. >> STILL THE COMMITMENT. UM ANY AND ALL UM RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE MAKE AROUND LIKE LOCATION OF UM THE O'BRYANT AND THE FUTURE WILL BE MADE UM IN COLLABORATION WITH

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THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY. UM AND. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT. HAPPENED WITH THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE O'BRYANT. TO WEST ROXBURY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THE

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SCHOOL COMMUNITY WAS INVOLVED. IN THAT DECISION. MAYBE THEY WERE UM I. >> JUST DON'T THINK THEY WERE. BUT BUT MY MY MY POINT STILL REMAINS ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE A

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COMMITMENT. THAT THE O'BRIEN STAYS. UM AND FLOURISHES. >> AT A IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. OF COLOR IN. BOSTON BUT. THAT THAT NEEDS A AN EXCELLENT

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PROGRAM LIKE THE O'BRIEN AND WE COMMITTED. >> TO. DOING THAT. >> UH YES OUR UH AND AND ALSO OUR CURRENT COMMITMENT IS THAT UH, O'BRIEN IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO REMAIN WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED.

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ANY FUTURE CONVERSATIONS AROUND UM LOCATION ETC. UM WILL BE MADE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF LEARNING UH UM FROM THE PAST

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RECOMMENDATIONS THERE WAS ENGAGEMENT. HOWEVER THERE'S UM LEARNINGS FROM LIKE UM MORE ENGAGEMENT AND OR HOW WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND WILL ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.

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UM WITH ANY FUTURE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE O'BRIEN. IS DO WE ALL AGREE THAT. THERE SHOULD BE A. BRAND NEW STATE OF THE ART O'BRIEN SCHOOL. AS WELL? >> DO WE DO. >> WE.

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AGREE ON THAT? UM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT AND AGREE ON UM I THINK OVER 65 UM OR 60 OR 65 SCHOOLS

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THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO 1940 ACROSS UM THE DISTRICT. I THINK A NUMBER OF OUR SCHOOLS NEED UM SIGNIFICANT UM RENOVATIONS AND OR NEW BUILDS ACROSS THE DISTRICT.

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ALL OF OUR STUDENTS ACROSS DESERVE IT. NOW NOW WHY WOULDN'T THE O'BRIEN SCHOOL BE. >> PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. FOR THE SCHOOL. BUILDING AUTHORITY? IS THAT SOMETHING. >> WE. ARE CONSIDERING?

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UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. AS I SAID, WE'LL DO THAT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY'S UM BUDGET TEAM ETC. AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND EXPENDITURE

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WITH THE CURRENT PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE. ALL RIGHT. >> AND THEN. MY FINAL QUESTION, MR CHAIR, I. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. SO WHEN WHEN WILL BE WHEN WILL WE HAVE A PLAN FROM THE.

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CITY OF. >> BOSTON THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. ABOUT THE LONG TERM PLAN FOR THE CITY. O'BRIEN WHEN WILL THAT BE WILL THAT BE BY THE END OF. OF THIS YEAR.

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UM OR. JANUARY OF OF 20 UH OR JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR? UH, COUNSELOR THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT UM I UM, FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING INTO RIGHT

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NOW THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN COLLABORATION WITH A NUMBER OF OUR CITY PARTNERS AS WE ARE REVIEWING THE CURRENT LIKE CAPITAL BUDGET EXPENDITURE, UM, AND THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT

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WE HAVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE PIPELINE AS I SHARED EARLIER, WE HAVE WAY MORE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE THAN EVER HAD UM, IN THE PIPELINE UM, FOR SCHOOLS ACROSS UH THE CITY

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OF BOSTON. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS. OKAY. >> BUT WHEN. COUNCILOR FLYNN. YOU KNOW I KNOW. I KNOW I. >> I JUST WANT TO WRAP I. >> JUST WANT. >> TO WRAP THIS UP HERE, UH,

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MR CHAIR, BUT. WHEN BUT WHEN WHEN THERE WILL BE A DECISION ON THE O'BRIEN BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WILL THERE BE AN ENGAGED. ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. WITH THE SCHOOL.

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COMMUNITY, WITH THE IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS? UM ON ON THE FUTURE. OF OF THE O'BRIEN WILL THE COMMUNITY BE PART OF THAT BEFORE. A DECISION. IS FORMALLY ANNOUNCED BY. THE MAYOR OF.

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OUR OR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? UH OUR COMMITMENT UM ON IS ANY WORK THAT WE'RE A FUTURE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ACROSS NOT JUST THE O'BRIEN BUT ANY SCHOOL COMMUNITY WE WILL ENGAGE THE

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SCHOOL COMMUNITY UM ON ALL OF THE STEPS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILOR FLYNN. UH, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER, UH, IF YOU HAVE, UH, A FOLLOW UP

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QUESTION AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE O'BRIEN NOW FOR NEARLY 30 MINUTES. UH, THIS THERE'S IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING. IT OBVIOUSLY TANGENTIALLY TOUCHES ON IT.

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THE FUTURE OF THE O'BRIEN THAT COULD BE A SEPARATE HEARING. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE $5 MILLION BEING THE CITY APPROPRIATE FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY OR IN EITHER

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OF THE TWO DOCKETS THAT'S. NO, I'M NOT I'M NOT YOU KNOW, I WAS SATISFIED IN TERMS OF THE UH, $5 MILLION. I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

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I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT THAT. I YOU KNOW, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINKING AROUND THE JOHN D O'BRIEN THAT NOW THAT

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WE'VE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO A SEPARATE HEARING ON IT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO BEGIN THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE JOHN D

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O'BRIEN AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT MADISON PARK IS IN THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS HAS TAKEN OFF AND SO YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE

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JOHN T O'BRIEN THERE. MADISON PARK IS GONE AND SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH, UH, SCHEDULING SOMETHING SEPARATE

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TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE JOHN D O'BRIEN. YEAH. YOU PREFER WE NOT ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE O'BRIEN YEAH. I MEAN I THINK I THINK THE

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PANELISTS HAVE ANSWERED BASICALLY THERE IS NOT A PLAN. RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. AND SO UH, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SAY THAT TO THE EXTENT LIKE WE WANT WE WANT A PLAN AND WE WE

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WANT TO PRESERVE THE O'BRIEN YOU KNOW, AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER. HEARING I AGREE I AGREE, I AGREE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT

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OKAY WITH THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS MR CHAIR. OKAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH UM I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE PANELISTS, UH, FOR BEING HERE. I DO, YOU KNOW, PLAN ON BRINGING THIS UP FOR A VOTE AT

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THE NEXT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK. UH, UM, AND THERE ARE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS HERE PLEASE? YES. UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR I KNOW, FRIEND, YOU HAD A QUESTION

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ABOUT MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON THE PRIOR UH, SORT OF CONSULTATIONS AROUND MADISON PARK. WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, SO UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH,

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THIS HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBERS 131121312 IS NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU. EVERYBODY CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.

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THANK YOU COUNCILORS.