FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS ENRIQUE PEPEN DISTRICT FIVE CITY COUNCIL AND I'M THE CHAIR OF BOSTON'S CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON CITY SERVICES INNOVATION TECHNOLOGY. TODAY IS OCTOBER 2ND, 25 THE
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AT SCENE NOT PAC OUTBOX NOT GOV FOR THE LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 1448 OR FOR A HEARING TO EXPLORE SAME DAY PUT OUT AND PICK UP FOR NON CONTAINERIZED
RESIDENTIAL WASTE AND CONTAINERS FOR COMMERCIAL TRASH. THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR SHARON DURKIN, COUNCILOR GABRIELLA CLAUDIA ZAPATA AND COUNCILOR PRESIDENT
RUTHIE LOUIJEUNE. IT WAS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON AUGUST I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR ERIN MURPHY, COUNCILOR FLYNN AND THE
SPONSOR OF THE DOCKET. COUNCILOR SHARON DURKIN. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO COUNCILOR DURKIN FOR OPENING REMARKS. ALL OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES
ALSO FOR A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION. SO COUNCILOR DURKIN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. IT'S BEEN LOVELY WORKING WITH HER TEAM ON THIS ON THIS HEARING.
AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES, OUR PANELISTS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THE THE WAY TRASH IS MANAGED IN OUR CITY AFFECTS EVERY BOSTON RESIDENT'S DAILY LIFE. IN MOST OF OUR DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS BACK THERE,
BEACON HILL AND PARTS OF THE FENWAY AND DISTRICT EIGHT RESIDENTS RELY ON PUTTING OUT TRASH AND PLASTIC BAGS. TOO OFTEN BAGS ARE SET OUT BEFORE 5 P.M. AND SIT ON THE SIDEWALK FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS.
BY MORNING MANY ARE TORN OPEN BY RODENTS SCATTERING LITTER ACROSS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PROBLEM IS ACUTE IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS TOO LIKE CAUSEWAY STREET, BOYLSTON STREET, NEWBURY STREET, CAMBRIDGE STREET.
I KNOW MY DISTRICT TO COLLEAGUE HAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREAS IN HIS DISTRICT AS WELL WHERE PEOPLE PUT OUT LARGE VOLUMES OF BUSINESS TRASH. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE GOAL OF TODAY'S HEARING FOR ME WAS
TO TALK ABOUT BOTH COMMERCIAL TRASH AND RESIDENTIAL TRASH HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER. MY PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE ALL RESIDENTIAL TRASH IF IT'S PUT
OUT IN A PLASTIC BAG TO SAME DAY PUT OUT MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IT OUT AT 5 P.M. THE DAY BEFORE. BUT WE KNOWS WE KNOW EVEN FROM GETTING EMAILS THE RESIDENTS HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
WE KNOW BOSTON IS FACING A RODENT INFLUX AND THE CITY'S RODENT ACTION PLAN MAKES IT CLEAR LEAVING OUT BAGS OVERNIGHT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST DRIVERS OF INFESTATIONS.
WHILE STATE LAW PROHIBITS NON CONTAINERIZED TRASH FROM BEING PUT OUT ON OUR STREETS, THE CITY DOES NOT ENFORCE THIS BAN BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LACK SPACE FOR BINS. WE NEED PRACTICAL CREATIVE AND
THOUGHTFUL SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE TRASH MANAGEMENT. WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF BEACON HILL THE BASEMENT USED TO BE A TRASH ROOM. NOW THOSE HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO HOUSING. SO THIS IS A UNIQUE ISSUE.
IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S AN ISSUE AS OLD AS TIME BUT IT'S ALSO VERY NEW BECAUSE WE HAVE EVEN LESS SPACE THAN WE'VE EVER HAD FOR TRASH MANAGEMENT. WE HOLD A HEARING ON TRASH COLLECTION PRACTICES LAST YEAR
AND WE LOOK WE LOOK AHEAD TO RENEWING THE CITY'S TRASH CONTRACTS. I FILED TODAY'S HEARING ORDER TO BUILD ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS. FOR ME THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS CONTAINERIZATION BUT WE NEED TO
FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS OF HOW TO GET THERE. IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO EXPLORE CHANGES THAT COULD MAKE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT. FIRST, MOVING TOWARD SAME DAY PUT OUT AND PICKUP FOR NON CONTAINERIZED RESIDENTIAL WASTE. WE KNOW IN BEACON HILL.
THAT MEANS POTENTIALLY WORKING WITH THE TRASH COMPANIES TO CHANGE THE PUT OUT TIME 6 A.M. FOR MOST PEOPLE IS A LITTLE TOO EARLY TOO. AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHILE YOU
HAVE TO BE READY AT 6 A.M. YOU MIGHT ALSO HAVE YOUR TRASH PICKED UP AT 11 A.M. OR 12 P.M. AS AS I'VE EXPERIENCED. AND SECOND REQUIRING COMMERCIAL TRASH ESPECIALLY FOOD WASTE TO
BE SECURED IN CONTAINERS RATHER THAN LEFT IN BAGS. WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH, REDUCE RODENT ACTIVITY AND MAKE OUR STREETS CLEANER AND SAFER. I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AND I JUST WANT TO
SAY AS AN ASIDE TO ALL OF THIS WHEN I MOVED TO BEACON HILL TEN YEARS AGO I REMEMBER THAT THICKER TRASH BAGS WERE THE WHOLE FOODS. THEY WERE AT CVS. NOW YOU CAN'T FIND THICKER
TRASH BAGS. I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO WORK WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RETAILERS THAT ARE SELLING TRASH BAGS IN OUR MOST DENSE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND REQUIRE THEM TO SELL THICKER TRASH BAGS. AND MAYBE THAT'S THROUGH CONVERSATION. MAYBE THAT'S THEIR ORDINANCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT BUT BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT BIGGER TRASH BAGS ARE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE AND THAT WE DO A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN OBVIOUSLY PUTTING OUT TRASH AND IN PAPER BAGS AND
PUTTING OUT TRASH DIRECTLY ON THE STREET WHICH WE'RE SEEING AND SPECIFICALLY WHERE I LIVE ON THE NORTH IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE
BEACON HILL CIVIC ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF THE BACK BAY. A LOT OF OUR CIVIC GROUPS TO TALK THROUGH HOW WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND HOW WE MAKE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS HAPPEN BUT EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH YOU ALL
TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND I DO KNOW THERE'S A WORKING GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE FROM ACROSS THE CITY THAT ARE WORKING ON THESE ISSUES AND EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR COUNCILOR MURPHY THANK YOU. I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION.
I TELL IT EVERY TIME THAT I LIVE NEAR APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND AT 5:00 THE PICKUP TRUCK COMES THEY HAVE SOME MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY FILL UP THE
BACK OF THE PICKUP TRUCK AND NO LIE A PILE HIGHER THAN ME SITTING HERE OF JUST SMALL THIN KITCHEN TRASH BAGS AND PUT OUT OF FIVE AND SOMETIMES THE
TRASH IS IN PICKED UP YOU KNOW . YOU KNOW THIS YOU THIS IS OUR LIFE SO BUT IT'S ALLOWED AND THAT'S HOW WE PUT OUR TRASH OUT
SO THIS CONVERSATION I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR YOU KNOW WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER BECAUSE WE CAN CHANGE POLICY. WE CAN TRY TO MAKE NEW LAWS BUT
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN I THINK TO LIKE HUMAN BEHAVIOR. AND WE OFTEN TALK AND I'VE BEEN ON MANY RAT WALKS AND CONVERSATION WITH ALL OF YOU AND YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE STREET AND EVERYONE DOING THE RIGHT
THING AND IT ONLY TAKES LIKE ONE NEIGHBOR IN THAT COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE WHOLE STREET AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO RATS AND OTHER PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES. IT'S ALSO LIKE I'VE WALKED DOWN
THE NORTH END ON A DAY WHERE YOU KNOW, THE TRASH HASN'T COME YET. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT PRETTY. BUT I MEAN WE'RE A CITY AND WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, TRASH ISN'T
ALWAYS EASY TO PICK UP AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK GOOD BUT SO JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HOW WE CAN WORK ALONGSIDE YOU AND WHAT IF YOU CAN JUST AND I KNOW YOU WILL REMIND US WHAT IS
POLICY WHAT IS LAW AND WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE AND I KNOW YOU'VE SAID THIS BEFORE TOO THAT IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PICK UP OUR TRASH AND IF WE'RE TO
MAKE MORE PICKUP DAYS OR HAVE MORE CONTRACTS WITH DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TIMES AND EXPECT CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALSO BE WILLING TO INVEST IN THE MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. THANKS AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT RICHARD LOUIJEUNE. WE'RE DOING OPENING STATEMENTS
. COUNCILOR FLYNN FOR YOURS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS A LARGE RODENT CRISIS WITH TRASH
EXPOSURE PROVEN AS THE SINGLE GREATEST ISSUE. DISTRICT COUNCIL HAS NO WELL, IT'S GETTING WORSE FROM THE CALLS WE RECEIVE EVERY DAY. THE WALKTHROUGHS I DO IN
NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS DISTRICT TWO HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE JOHN L ROOK AND HIS TEAM FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THEY ARE DOING
AND FOR JOINING ME ON MANY OF THESE WALKS WE SEE RESIDENTS NOT DISPOSING OF TRASH PROPERLY. NEIGHBORS ARE PLEADING FOR BAIT BOXES, PROPER CONTAINERS,
CONTAINERIZATION AND COMPOSTING TO SEPARATE FOOD AND NOT ALLOW RATS TO HAVE A FOOD SOURCE. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. COMPOSTING OUR PEST CONTROL
CRISIS POSES SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON. A TUFTS UNIVERSITY STUDY RELEASED IN APRIL FOUND THAT RATS IN BOSTON ARE SPREADING A
POTENTIALLY DEADLY DISEASE THAT CAN IN RARE CASES CAUSE SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS SUCH AS MULTIPLE ORGAN FAILURE AND DEATH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
SINCE 2020 I HAVE CALLED FOR HEARINGS TO DISCUSS PEST CONTROL RELATING TO MANY ISSUES ACROSS THE CITY. I MET WITH THE NEW YORK CITY.
RATS ARE FILED FOR ORDINANCE CREATING AN OFFICE OF PEST CONTROL. DOCKET 0262 6782 AND 0369.
THE AUTHOR OF THE 2024 WROTE AN ACTION PLAN WHICH I MADE MANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO SUPPORT A CENTRALIZED OFFICE CREATING A CENTRALIZED OFFICE OF PEST
CONTROL WILL STREAMLINE SERVICES WHILE DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING SHORT AND LONG TERM INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS OFFICE WOULD TEST
DIFFERENT PEST CONTROL STRATEGIES, COORDINATE AND TRACK OVERALL PROGRESS, ROLL OUT TRASH CONTAINERIZATION, CONDUCT OUTREACH TO RESIDENTS
ON RODENT MITIGATION METHODS. NEW YORK CITY HAS MADE PROGRESS WITH IMPROVED INSPECTION RESPONSE TIMES AND INCREASED THREE ONE ROUND COMPLAINTS AND FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER
INITIATIVES INCLUDING TRASH CONTAINERIZATION. WELL THE BOSTON WROTE AN ACTION PLAN FROM LAST YEAR OUTLINE POSITIVE STEPS TO ADDRESS OUR PEST CONTROL CRISIS.
IN MY OPINION THE PLAN FALLS SHORT. IT IS TIME FOR THE CITY TO REQUIRE AND ENFORCE CONTAINER IZATION TRASH PUBLIC BARRELS ON COMMERCIAL STREETS ARE HELPFUL.
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE WE ALSO NEED A MASSIVE PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO EVERY RESIDENT AND BUSINESS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO DISPOSE OF TRASH AND FOOD IN
MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF CHINATOWN. IT'S ALSO A TROUBLING SITUATION I SEE ALMOST EVERY DAY OF THE HOW TRASH IS PUT OUT AND THE
NUMBER OF RATS RUNNING THROUGHOUT CHINATOWN AND SEAGULLS GOING THROUGH BAGS PICKING OUT FOOD. WE NEED TRASH CONTAINERIZATION, STRICT ENFORCEMENT COMPOST AND
LANGUAGE ACCESS. PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A CRITICAL PIECE TO SUPPORT OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS SO THAT SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND THE ROLES.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FLYNN. COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE AND I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR DURKIN FOR FILING THIS AND PUTTING IT FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO IS HERE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS BELIEVE
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THEM. I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO TO REALLY ADDRESS ISSUES OF TRASH AND MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE
NEIGHBORS THAT THEY LIVE IN. I ALWAYS SAY THAT THE FIRST THING THAT I DID AS A CITY COUNCILOR WAS GET A TRASH CAN ON WALL STREET AND AN AREA THAT HAD RESIDENTS WERE EXPERIENCING
A LOT OF LITTER AND DEBRIS. I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE EXPLORE THE IDEAS OF WHAT SAME DAY TRASH PICKUP COULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THAT IT'S A CONTRACTUAL ISSUE. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CONTRACTS ALLOW US TO DO, I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS WITH THE MEETING WITH THE BEACON ALSO WORK ASSOCIATION THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE WORK THAT COUNCILOR DURKAN IS DOING. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBILITIES AND I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU JOHN, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMPANIES THAT USE TRASH BAGS
THAT ARE LACED WITH MINT TO HELP DISCOURAGE RODENTS FROM PICKING AT THEM. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY ROLLING OUT MORE OF THE RODENT RESISTANT TRASH.
CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN A PROVEN METHOD IN WHICH THIS COUNCIL ADDED MONEY TO THE BUDGET TO DO JUST THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION FOR US TO ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD
IT LOOK LIKE IN THE ARTICLE 80 PROCESS TO REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT TRASH PICK UP AND LOOKS LIKE. I KNOW WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM THE MODEL OF TRASH CHUTES BUT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THAT AS
PART OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE? SO JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION AND AGAIN I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
THANK I THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO INTRODUCE TO THESE PANELIST WE HAVE WITH US LUKE HINES WAS A SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER.
WE HAVE JOHN HORAK WHO IS ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND WE HAVE DENNIS ROACH, SUPERINTENDENT FOR WASTE REDUCTION FLOOR IS YOURS IN THE
CONTEXT? YES. GOOD NIGHT. WE HAVE TWO SLIDES UP. MR CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE THE
ABILITY TO PUT THE SLIDES ON THE SCREEN AND WILL YOU GIVE US
A SECOND SHOT WHICH I READ? DEFINITELY WE CAN TALK NOW.
MR WALTERS OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HAVE A FORENSIC SCIENCE BRIEFING. YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THERE WE
ARE IN BOSNIA. YEAH. THANK YOU. WE COULD WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS JUST BRIEFLY SO
WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A VERY
BRIEF RECESS
. OKAY. WE ARE OFFICIALLY BACK. OKAY, PANELISTS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS FOR THE PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING.
COUNCILOR IS GENERALLY WELCOME. THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AT ESD I'M ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON WROTE AN ACTION PLAN WITH ME TODAY IS LUKE HINES FROM THE OPERATIONS CABINET WHO
COORDINATES PREP FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND DENNIS ROACH, SUPERINTENDENT OF WASTE REDUCTION AT DPW. MAY WE LAUNCH THE BUS? WE WROTE AN ACTION PLAN LAST
YEAR WITH THE GOAL OF MEASURABLY REDUCING RODENT ACTIVITY ACROSS THE CITY
LAKESIDE GRAB AS WE CALL IT, IS A COORDINATED CITYWIDE EFFORT WITH DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TOGETHER SHARING RESOURCES TO TACKLE WROTE AN ACTIVITY IN A
UNITED UNIFIED WAY. SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING WE'RE USING NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE SAW TRAPS IN THE NORTH END IN BACK BAY WE
HAVE RODENT RESISTANT BARRELS ON THE STREETS AND IN PARKS AND WE'RE WORKING TO IMPROVE TRASH OPERATIONS INCLUDING EXPLORING COMPACTORS INSTEAD OF OPEN
DUMPSTERS, DEPLOYING SENSORS IN PARKS, PUBLIC ALLEYS AND PUBLIC HOUSING, COLLECTING DATA TO BE DATA DRIVEN IN OUR IN OUR
EFFORTS EXPANDING RESIDENT EDUCATION THROUGH OUR WALKTHROUGHS, WEBINARS IN OUR AWARENESS CAMPAIGN MOVING TOWARDS A PROACTIVE SOLUTION
INSTEAD OF REACTING AFTER THE FACT. NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE MULTIPLE
SUBCOMMITTEE TEAMS AT PREP AND TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT FOCUS POINTS RODENT MITIGATION PILOT AND DATA IS ONE SO WE'RE
ANALYZING THE RESULTS AND WE'LL FILE A REPORT WITH THE SUCCESSES OF OF THE DATA AND THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES OF OF
THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES TRASH COLLECTION AND POLICY IMPROVEMENTS. DEREK DENNIS WILL SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL
ON COLLECTING RECOMMENDATION CARDS AND WORKING WITH THE DOING OUTREACH AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE TRASH CONTRACTS.
OUR COMMUNICATION AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGN AND EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON BRAND INITIATIVES AND HOW THEY CAN REDUCE ROAD CONNECTIVITY AND WE'LL DO THAT
ACROSS THE CITY ON THE MTA AND ON TRASH BARRELS. EXTERNAL STATE STAKEHOLDER COLLABORATION AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES LIKE OUR STATE PARTNERS,
UNIVERSITIES AND UTILITY COMPANIES TO STRENGTHEN CROSS-SECTOR SOLUTIONS. WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DENNIS FOR THE NEXT
SLIDE TO TALK ABOUT TRASH. THANK YOU, JOHN. DENNIS ROACH, SUPERINTENDENT OF WASTE REDUCTION FOR BOSTON PUBLIC WORKS. IN MY ROLE I OVERSEE A TEAM AT
WASTE REDUCTION WHICH IS BASICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ON STRAIGHT STREET TRASH OPERATION OUT IN THE FIELD. MOST OF YOU GUYS SEE IT AS CAPITAL WASTE TRUCKS THAT ROAM THE CITY PICKING UP TRASH.
WE HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS SUCH AS MATTRESSES AND IN FOOD WASTE AND SUCH. I ALSO SEE OBVIOUSLY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF MOST TRASH REGULATIONS ACROSS THE CITY
WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL, A COMMERCIAL AND I OVERSEE A ZERO WASTE TEAM WHICH IS FOCUSING ON PILOT PROGRAMS AND TRYING A NEW INITIATIVES POLICY AND ALSO EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH ACROSS
CITIES AS IT RELATES TO TRASH YOU KNOW AND THAT'S IT AND THAT'S THE GIST OF MY DEPARTMENT WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. WE DON'T PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL TRASH.
COMMERCIAL TRASH IS KIND OF SEPARATED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TRASH OTHER THAN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF OF COMMERCIAL TRASH. WE'RE OUT THERE RIGHT IN VIOLATIONS ON COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T STORING OR HANDLING THEIR TRASH
PROPERLY. WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE CITY IN BOSTON. IT'S BASICALLY BEING A PERFECT STORM FOR RATS. BOSTON IS A CITY WITH ENTIRELY OLD INFRASTRUCTURE, VERY LITTLE UNDERGROUND SPACE AS ONE OF THE
COUNCILS MENTIONED. A LOT OF THE OLD TRASH STORAGE THINGS IN IN APARTMENTS I MEAN HAVE BEEN BASEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO EITHER CONDOS OR APARTMENTS AND PEOPLE HAVE
GIVING UP THEIR TRASH STORE STORAGE SPACES OVER THE LAST 3040 YEARS WAS IN THE BACK BAY JUST RECENTLY DEALING WITH THE TRASH ISSUE. WE DEAL WITH THEM ALMOST DAILY
ABOUT RESIDENTS FIGHTING ABOUT HOW TRASH IS STORED. WE HAVE TRASH IS STORED. IT'S BECOME A MAJOR ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF STORAGE INSIDE FOR TRASH AND HOW RESIDENTS ARE NOW PUTTING IT OUTSIDE WHETHER IT BE
CONTAINERIZED OR NOT CONTAINERIZED. THIS IS CLEARLY LED TO THE INFESTATION OF RATS ESPECIALLY IN THE HIGH DENSE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE CITY THE HISTORIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THE
SEWER SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, JOHN CAN ANSWER PLENTY OF QUESTIONS ON THAT LATER BUT JUST HOW HOW WE HANDLE TRASH IN THE CITY HASN'T EVOLVED AS QUICKLY AS THE
CITIES INVOLVED IN IN MANY WAYS LIKE YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES BUT WE'RE WATCHING OTHER CITIES AND HOW THEY HANDLE TRASH. A LOT OF CITIES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM BOSTON BUT THEY
CAN CERTAINLY GIVE US SOME KEY IDEAS AND CONCEPTS AND THINGS TO KIND OF TRY AND PILOT. AND I THINK I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERY COUNCIL THAT'S IN THIS ROOM ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE TRASH MORE EFFECTIVELY MORE
EFFICIENTLY IN BOSTON AND I'LL GET A LITTLE INTO THAT AS I KIND OF BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO EXPLAIN HOW WE DO TRASH NOW AND WHY WE DO TRASH THE WAY WE DO IT. CURRENT COLLECTION OPERATIONS
WITH CAPITAL WASTE WHO PICKS UP BOTH OUR TRASH AND OUR SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING TRASH TYPICALLY BEGINS AT 6 A.M. EVERY MORNING WRAPS UP
HOPEFULLY BY ABOUT 4 P.M. THAT'S ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE TRASH RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED AND IT'S DESIGNED WITH BOTH FISCAL AND OPERATION EFFICIENCY IN MIND IS WE OFTEN GO INTO ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
TRASH TRUCKS, SERVICE HAT AND TIE IN NEIGHBORHOOD. HOPEFULLY WE'RE DONE BY 11 A.M. TAKES THE TRUCKS, MAYBE AN HOUR OR AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GO NORTH OR SOUTH WHEREVER THEY ARE LOCATED TO DUMP INTO AND
GET RID OF ALL THE DEBRIS FROM THAT TRUCK AND DUMP THAT SITE AND THEN THEY ROLL BACK INTO A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE AFTERNOON SO THAT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY STARTING THAT SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD 1230 ISH AND THEN YOU'RE DONE BY 4:00 THAT'S DONE
WITH LIKE I SAID, THE THOUGHT OF BEING VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE CITY AND VERY OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT. IT CAUSES SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE TRASH CAN OFTEN BE LEFT OUT IN THE STREETS IN CERTAIN
NEIGHBORHOODS FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO THE TRASH COLLECTION TIME WAS CHANGED FROM A 7 A.M. START TO A6A AM
START. I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS DONE FOR REASONS OF BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT THE LESS A TRASH TRUCK HAS TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC AND IN RESIDENTS ROAMING THE
STREETS AND BICYCLES AND EVERYTHING WE'RE DEALING WITH IN TODAY'S URBAN ENVIRONMENT THE BETTER OFF AND THE QUICKER WE CAN COME ABOUT PICKING UP TRASH AND THE THING IT ALSO HAD TO DO WITH MINE FOR THOSE AFTERNOON DISTRICTS SO WE KEEP
THEM MORE EFFICIENT ABOUT GETTING THEIR TRASH A LITTLE BIT OFF THE STREET A LITTLE QUICKER. SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS CHANGED. I'D SAY THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SINGLE FACTOR IN CAUSING DELAYS. I MEAN IN CAUSING ISSUES WITH
DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS THEY WERE LESS ABLE TO PUT OUT THEIR TRASH IN THE MORNING. MORE OF THEM HAD TO GO AND CHOOSE TO PUT IT OVERNIGHT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THAT HOURS SHIFT THAT'S CAUSED A BIG DISRUPTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ON THEIR END I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE AFTERNOON DISTRICTS THEY'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE HAPPIER WITH IT, RIGHT? LIKE HEY, MY TRASH HAS PICKED UP A LITTLE EARLIER NOW HOURS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT BUT THAT'S THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE REASONING BEHIND WHY THAT WAS DONE AND AND THE TWO
DISTRICT APPROACH AND THE FINANCIAL MODEL OF IT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THESE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS ABOUT HOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY CHANGE THAT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR THAT?
WHAT THINGS WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT IT PROBABLY MEANS GIVING UP SOME OF OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.
BUT SOME CITIES DECIDE TO PICK UP URBAN CITIES LIKE THIS IN WHAT'S CALLED THE ONE LOAD MODEL WHERE WE JUST HAVE MORE TRUCKS, MORE RESOURCES AND WE
GO IN TO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD APPROACH GOES IN ALL AT ONCE FOR THE URBAN DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS AND YOU FINISH EVERYTHING IN ONE LOAD AND THAT
AND BASICALLY WHETHER IT COMES DOWN TO IS IF IT COMES DOWN TO MORE TRUCKS, MORE PEOPLE, LARGER CONTRACTS AND THAT'S THE END AND AND THAT'S BASICALLY
HOW YOU DO IT. IT SHOULD CERTAINLY BE GOAL THE GOAL OF THE BOSTON RED ACTION COMMITTEE THE PRIMARY GOAL AROUND TRASH IN THE BOSTON BOSTON RIGHT ACTION COMMITTEE IS KEEPING TRASH OFF THE STREET
FOR LESS AMOUNT OF TIME ESPECIALLY NON CONTAINERIZED TRASH. RIGHT ESPECIALLY NON CONTAINERIZED TRASH. MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY SEEN IN NEW YORK CITY. THEY SET UP DIFFERENT RULES
WHERE VIOLENT CRIME CONTAINERIZATION WAS MANDATORY. ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS THEY TOOK WAS YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR TRASH CONTAINERIZED IF YOU WOULD LEAVE IT ON THE STREET
OVERNIGHT IT COULD COME OUT IN THE MORNING AT A CERTAIN TIME IN BAGS BUT IT HAD TO BE LEFT OVERNIGHT. IT SHOULD BE A MODEL WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO DO THAT
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONTRAST CONTRACTS WE PICK UP AND SLIGHTLY PUSH BACK THAT PICKUP TIME TO GIVE RESIDENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A WINDOW TO PUSH THEIR TRASH, PUT THE TRASH OUT IN THE MORNING.
BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY COGNIZANT OF THAT AFTERNOON ROUTE AND LIKE NOT REALLY IMPACTING AND AFFECTING THEM. SO WHETHER THAT BE THE ONE LOAD MODEL OR MORE TRUCKS THAT
IMPACTS THEM A LITTLE LESS IT ALL COMES DOWN IN THE END TO THE COUNT OF MORE TRUCKS AND MORE RESOURCES AND ATWATER ATTACK IT SO IT JUST IT'S VERY IMPORTANT OF HOW WE DO THAT AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT THAT NEXT
SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST SOME CONTAINERIZATION MODELS. I THINK CONTAINERIZATION IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. THIS THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT THE
TRUCKS WE USE WHICH IS THE TOP LEFT THE REAL LOADING TRUCK ALL URBAN NO NEIGHBORHOODS USE A YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ARMED TRUCKS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TRUCKS I THINK IN HIGH PARK THAT SERVE AS RECYCLING BUT I'M
TRUCKS AND THEY CAN'T BE DONE IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING ISSUES WHERE YOU CAN'T DO CONTAINERIZATION ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WE ARE A VERY LABOR INTENSIVE TRASH MARKET.
MOST CITIES ARE MOST NORTHEASTERN CITIES FOR SURE. ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS USUALLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE ONE ON THE BACK, ONE DRIVING TO TWO AND TWO MAN IT VERY COSTLY YOU KNOW
HIGH COST YOU SEE SOME OF THE CONTAINERIZATION THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY WE HAVE FOOD WASTE CONTAINERS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE GRAY CONTAINERS. THE THING IS A NEW VEGGIE PILOT WE'RE LOOKING TO CLEAN UP SOME
TRASH ISSUES IN THE VHA BUT THE CITY SHOULD BE MOVING MORE TOWARDS CONTAINER CONTAINERIZATION AND ADOPTION AND CONTAINERIZATION. I'M NOT SURE MANY PEOPLE KNOW THIS BUT CONTAINERS ASIAN IS
ACTUALLY A STATE LAW. IT'S A STATE LAW LIKE YOU HAVE TWO CONTAINERS OF TRASH REALLY BE COMMERCIAL WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL. BOSTON HAS CHOSEN NOT TO ENFORCE IT FOR MANY REASONS AND
MOST OF THEM ARE SURROUNDING THAT. WE CAN'T EVEN SERVICE TRASH IN THE STREETS IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS IF IT'S CONTAINERIZED AND THE REASON IS IF YOU'RE IN THE BEACON BEACON HILL OR THE NORTH END OUR
TRUCKS CAN'T PULL CONTAINERS BETWEEN PARKED CARS LIKE YOU CAN. ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR RESIDENTS CAN'T STORE CONTAINERS LIKE YOU CAN IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS TAKEN
A HOLISTIC APPROACH FOR PROBABLY 30 YEARS. A CONTAINERIZATION IS LIKE WELL IF WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE IN THEN DO IT AND WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE IN BEACON HILL DO IT THEN WE
SHOULD ENFORCE IT CITYWIDE. I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT CHANGING THAT APPROACH. I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE CONTAINERS SHOULD BE MADE TO HAVE CONTAINERS RIGHT AND PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW IN THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE
CONTAINERS WE SHOULD FIND OPTIONS WHERE THEY KEEP TRASH OFF THE STREET FOR A LOT LESS AMOUNT OF TIME AND I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT THE CROSSROAD WITH OUR BOSTON RIGHT ACTION PLAN AND I KNOW WE MENTIONED
THAT YOU KNOW CONTRACTS KIND OF CAN RESTRICT US AT SOME TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT NOW THAT IS LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR US AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY DENSE
URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IS LOOKING FOR THINGS MODELS THAT WE CAN TO BID OUT. WE DO HAVE CONTRACTS THAT RUN THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2027 ALL
TRASH CONTRACTS THAT THEY BID OUT TWO YEARS ADVANCE. WE WILL HAVE A NEXT MODEL OF CONTRACT TO BID OUT THIS JANUARY FOR DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A DECISION POINT FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THEY
ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO BE MUCH MORE COSTLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE KIND OF LIKE LAND THERE. SOME OF THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY
CONTAINERS THAT YOU'VE SEEN PROBABLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY YOU KNOW YOU SEE THESE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS THAT THAT THAT REALLY AREN'T AN OPTION FOR BOSTON BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
UNDERGROUND CAPABILITIES HERE. WE HAVE UTILITIES LINING OUR ENTIRE STREETS. THERE'S NO WAY TO GO UNDERGROUND COMMUNITY BINS THAT THEY THEY CAUSE A LOT OF MORE ISSUES THAN THEY DO ANYTHING
ELSE WHETHER YOU'RE GIVING UP PARKING SPACES, WHETHER THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING FLOODED WITH COMMERCIAL TRASH, WHETHER BE OFTEN BEING FLOODED WITH TRASH RESIDENTS BRING IN TRASH FROM
OUTSIDE JURISDICTIONS THAT CHARGE FOR THE TRASH THEY'VE THEY FLOOD THE CITY WITH TRASH WHICH WHICH HAPPENS NO MATTER WHERE YOU YOU HOST YOUR TRASH BINS. BUT THESE ARE ALL UNTESTED MODELS. OTHER CITIES ARE TESTING THEM.
WE'RE WATCHING EXTREMELY CLOSELY. NOBODY'S PRESENTED ANY LEVEL OF SUCCESS WITH THESE YET. NEXT SLIDE CONTAINERS AND I
TOUCHED A LOT ABOUT BUT THIS WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY BUT CONTAINERIZATION BECOMES ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU MANDATE CONTAINERIZATION IT BECOMES THAT IT BECOMES AN EQUITY
ISSUE. IT BECOMES ABOUT WHO WHO PAYS FOR THE BIN, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THE BIN? WE CERTAINLY PROVIDE RECYCLING BINS TO EVERY RESIDENT THAT THAT WANTS THEM IN THE CITY VERY COSTLY PROGRAM PROVIDING
TRASH BINS IF IF THAT BECOMES AN OPTION AND AGAIN JUST MORE DOLLARS FLOWING THAT WAY CONTAINERIZATION ALSO BRINGS
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MOST CONTAINERIZATION STARTS TO TALK ABOUT WASTE LIMITS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE SIDEWALK IT HAS TO FIT IN THE CONTAINER. BOSTON IS HAS HAS A FULL
SERVICE TRASH MODEL WE BASICALLY TAKE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT BANNED BY MASS EP TO BE IN OUR TRASH STREAM. WE'LL TAKE IT YOU PUT IT ON THE SIDEWALK, WE'LL END UP TAKING IT MOST CITIES HAVE COMPLETELY MOVED AWAY FROM THIS MODEL
THERE THEY HAVE WASTE LIMITS, THEY HAVE CONTAINERIZATION MEASURES. MOST CITIES ARE CHARGING FEES FOR THEIR TRASH. THEY'RE CHARGING PER BIN. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE MORE ROBUST TRASH SYSTEMS AND HAVE
MORE RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE CHARGING IN JUST JUST FOR INSTANCE THE CITY OF TORONTO WE MET WITH THEM YESTERDAY. THEY THEY CHARGE AN ANNUAL FEE BY THE BIN SIZE THAT YOU HAVE.
SO IF YOU WANT A 96 GALLON TRASH BIN, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU X AMOUNT. IF YOU WANT A 65 GALLON TRASH MEETING I SEE X AMOUNT ANNUALLY 35 GALLON. PART OF THAT IS TO TO START SHRINKING YOUR WASTE FOOTPRINT .
THEY WANT YOU TO START HUGE IN CHOOSING THE LOWER MODEL OF CONTAINERIZATION AND STOP PUTTING IT OUT LESS THERE THEY ARE THINKING MORE ABOUT ZERO WASTE AND GETTING RESIDENTS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CONSUME
BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DISPOSE OF IT. BOSTON'S JUST BEEN THAT ONE MODEL. IT'S LIKE WHERE YOU PUT ON THE STREET AS LONG AS IT'S NOT BANNED BY THE DP TO BE IN OUR TRASH STREAM WE'RE GOING TO COME GET IT. SO WHEN YOU DO THINK CONTAINERIZATION AND YOU HAVE
TO REMEMBER THAT IT DOES START TO MANDATE KIND OF WASTE LIMITS AND WHAT WE DO ALONG THOSE LINES. SO I THINK THAT'S IT. I MEAN I THINK CONTAINERIZATION IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS I KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE TALK
ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUSHING BACK TRASH TIME AND WE TALK ABOUT MANDATING SOME SOME CONTAINERIZATION BUT IT'S IT'S LETTING GO OF PARKING SPACES SOMETIMES IS IT OFTEN IN FACT
THE LADY PUSHBACK STARTS START TIMES THE MORE IMPACTFUL TRASH TRUCKS HAVE ON RESIDENTS LIVES IN OTHER WAYS IN TERMS OF LIKE TRAFFIC AND GETTING AWAY OF SCHOOL BUSSES AND AND JUST
DEALING WITH TOURISM AND ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH END LIKE WE TRY TO GET OUT OF THE NORTH END BY 10:00 BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE FLOODED WITH PEOPLE BY THAT TIME AND HAVING TRASH TRUCKS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT FOR OUR
OPERATION BUT CAN BE A LITTLE DANGEROUS TOO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND THE STREETS IN THOSE TIGHT CORNERS AND TRASH TRUCKS ROLLING AROUND. SO YOU KNOW, I HOPE I SHARED LIKE A GOOD SYNOPSIS OF HOW WE HANDLE TRASH AND I THINK ALL
OF US ARE KIND OF AS I PASS ON IT LOOK, ALL OF US ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE AND I KNOW I DIDN'T TOUCH UPON IT BUT REAL QUICKLY I SHOULD SAY IT BUT BUT ENFORCEMENT IS A BIG PART OF TRASH AND THE
CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM VERY SMALL TEAM WHO DO A WONDERFUL JOB ENFORCING OUR TRASH LAWS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SERVICE THE RESIDENTS, THE CITY OF AWESOME AND HAPPY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
ALONG THAT AS WELL. YEAH AND I WOULD JUST QUICKLY ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY PROCESS COUNCILOR DURKIN REFERRED TO IN HER OPENING REMARKS. SO AS DENNIS MENTIONED RIGHT
NOW WE'RE KIND OF IN THIS STAGE OF GETTING AS MUCH FEEDBACK AND RESEARCH AS WE CAN FROM DIFFERENT RESIDENTS BUT ALSO PEER CITIES AND ALL OF THE RESEARCH THAT DENNIS AND HIS TEAM DO. SO WE'VE HELD TO FOCUS GROUP
SESSIONS AS COUNCILOR DURKAN MENTIONED WE HAVE A GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS FROM ACROSS THE CITY WHO ARE ADVISING US ON, YOU KNOW, MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK RELATED TO TRASH COLLECTION PROCESSES. WE'VE ALSO HELD BROADER
COMMUNITY MEETINGS SO WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING EARLY AUGUST WHERE WE IT WAS MORE OF A LISTENING SESSION WHERE FOLKS IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE FOLKS REALLY PROVIDED THEIR FEEDBACK. WE ANALYZED THAT FEEDBACK AND
THEN PRODUCED, YOU KNOW, A COMMENT REPORT AND ANALYZE THAT ALSO WITH THE FOCUS GROUP WE'RE GOING TO BE ANOTHER ROUND OF THESE MEETINGS IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC
MEETING ON OCTOBER 16TH WHICH EVERYBODY ACROSS THE CITY IS INVITED TO AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING A COUPLE OF MORE FOCUS GROUPS TO REALLY GO MORE IN DEPTH ON SOME OF THIS FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING, SOME
OF THE THEMES THAT WE'VE HEARD ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DENNIS MENTIONED IN HIS HIS COMMENTS BUT IT'S IMPROVING TRASH PICKUP TIMES TRYING TO GET BAGS OFF THE STREETS IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, REALLY TRYING TO EDUCATE RESIDENTS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REALLY TRYING TO HEAR WHAT COMMUNITY WANTS US TO SEE BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE TRASH CONTRACT. SIMILARLY, WE'RE WORKING ON THE
NEXT SLIDE WITH A CLASS OVER AT HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL WHO'S DOING AN INDEPENDENT RESEARCH PROPOSAL FOR WHO'S ALSO TALKING TO COMMUNITY, ASKING MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AROUND SOME
OF THE TRADE OFFS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN WITH ANY CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE TRASH CONTRACT THAT CLASS IS DOING THIS WORK OVER THE COURSE OF THIS SEMESTER AND THEN WILL
PRODUCE A SIMILAR REPORT WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT AS A YOU KNOW, BRAND LEADERSHIP TEAM AND ALSO WITH DENNIS AND HIS TEAM TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IMPLEMENT INTO THE UPCOMING TRASH CONTRACT.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU COULD SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SLIDE HERE BUT IT'S REALLY ASKING RESIDENTS FEEDBACK ON THINGS LIKE YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR CONTAINERIZATION MODELS, SOME OF THE TRADEOFFS IN TERMS OF LOSS OF PARKING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT REPORT AT THE END OF THE SEMESTER AND DEFINITELY WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT AND SHARE THAT WITH WITH YOU ALL IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JUST SOME NEXT STEPS ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS
WE'RE HOSTING THE HARVARD STUDENTS OVER THE COURSE OF THIS SEMESTER TO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE REALLY GUIDE THEIR WORK. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME SITE VISITS TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE
DIFFERENT BRAND TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE STARTING ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK IN DISTRICT TWO IN CHINATOWN TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH TRASH COLLECTION IN DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE SOME UPCOMING COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THEN FINALLY WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT REPORT THAT WILL COME FROM THE STUDENTS AT THE END OF THE SEMESTER. JUST TO CLOSE OUT THE
PRESENTATION WE WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT ON THE NEXT SLIDE SOME OF THE CONTINUED PROGRESS AT THE SO JOHN AND I WERE HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE EXTRA SENSE RODENT DETECTION CAMERAS THAT ARE
GOING IN AT BERKELEY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE ROLLING OUT NEW CONTAINERIZATION AT THE COMMONWEALTH LOCATION IN BRIGHTON AND AUSTIN AND THE RFP PROCESS IS CLOSED.
WE'RE DOING AN EVALUATION AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSALS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ROLLING OUT THE CAMERAS TO COLLECT BASELINE DATA AND THEN THE NEW CONTAINERIZATION MODEL IN THE
WEEKS TO COME SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THE IMPACT OF DOING CONTAINERIZATION AND HOW IT DECREASES OUR OWN ACTIVITY. AND JUST FINALLY JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND AS DENNIS MENTIONED WE'RE OPEN
TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE THREE OF YOU FOR JUST BEING HERE AND THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO AND FOR THAT VERY HELPFUL
PRESENTATION TO GET A GLIMPSE OF WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE MAY HAVE OR WHAT WE'VE TRIED ETC. SO I'M EXCITED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. LET'S GET INTO THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START OFF WITH THE LEAD
SPONSOR, COUNCILOR DURKIN. I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE ABOUT 6 MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL GO LIKE THAT. PERFECT. AND I DIDN'T KNOW I WOULD END UP BRAIN MELTING WITH DENNIS BUT I AGREED WITH SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAID.
I THINK I'VE BEEN TALKING TO YOU TOO MUCH SO I'M REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING I THINK
AS AS WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS REGULATIONS INSTRUCTOR RESIDENTS TO PLACE THEIR TRASH OUT WELL ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN PUT OUT YOUR TRASH AT 5 P.M..
WE WANT PEOPLE TO HELP. WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR TRASH OUT ON THE STREETS. LAST TIME I KNOW IN PLACES LIKE THE BACK BAY IF THEY'RE PICKING UP AT 11 A.M. THAT MEANS THE
TRASH HAS BEEN ON THE STREET FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME. I KNOW IT MIGHT BE UNPOPULAR AMONG RESIDENTS TO HAVE FOLKS WAKE UP REALLY EARLY IN THE
MORNING. HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE THAT WE COULD IN THIS NEXT CONTRACT AND ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT IN THIS
NEXT CONTRACT A POLICY SHIFT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTRACT AND OBVIOUSLY NEGOTIATED WITH THE COMPANY AND THEN ON TOP
OF THAT WITH BALLOONING CONTRACTS HAS THE CITY THOUGHT ABOUT BREAKING THIS INTO SMALLER CONTRACTS AND POTENTIALLY TAKING OVER OUR TRASH CONTRACT OR TAKING OVER THE TRASH WORK AGAIN WITH OUR
OWN? I KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE I MEAN WE'VE GONE INTO THIS BUT I KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE THE TRUCKS ARE. THE MAYOR AND I HAVE TALKED PRIVATELY ABOUT HOW I JUST FEEL
LIKE WITH BOTH SNOW REMOVAL AND WITH TRASH THIS IS KIND OF LIKE INSURMOUNTABLE IN A WAY IF LIKE THIS CONTINUES TO BALLOON AND I DO THINK THAT THESE COMPANIES
SHOULD BE ON THEIR TOES FOR US TO INVENT OUR OWN SOLUTION TO OUR TRASH ISSUE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS NEXT
CONTRACT WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS RECYCLING IS NO LONGER PROFITABLE FOR US IN ANY WAY IT'S A DRAIN ON OUR RESOURCES SORT OF WHAT'S THE
PLAN AS WE HAD AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN TWEAKS WE CAN MAKE GIVEN HOW EXPENSIVE THESE CONTRACTS ARE. YEAH.
SO IT'S YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE COST OF TRASH AND RECYCLING REALLY BALLOONED DEFINITELY THROUGH THE INFLATIONARY YEARS OF THE COVID PANDEMIC IT HAD A DIRECT IMPACT ON ON ON ON
COSTS. WE REALIZED THAT LAST YEAR WE HAD A $15 MILLION SURGE IN OUR TRASH COLLECTION CONTRACT ALONE. WE STILL HAVEN'T REALIZED THE
THE INCREASE TO OUR DISPOSAL CONTRACT WHERE WE WERE THE TRASH ENDS UP BECAUSE THOSE CONTRACTS RAN THROUGH COVERED IN THIS WE'RE STILL IN THOSE PARTICULAR CONTRACTS NOW THAT LAST ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF SO WE WILL DEFINITELY
REALIZE AN INCREASE IN THAT. BUT AS FOR YOU'RE SAYING WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT CHANGES? I THINK THIS BOSTON RODENT ACTION PLAN HAS GOTTEN US THINKING AND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY MORE AND LISTENING TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
AND I THINK WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO THROUGH THE BOSTON BRODIN ACTION PLAN IS TRY TO FIND WAYS TO KEEP TRASH ON THE STREET FOR LESS AMOUNT OF TIME. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WE HAVE
TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CONTAINERIZED IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE CAN CONTAINERIZED AND AND WHAT POLICIES WE PUT IN PLACE AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE CAN'T. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT NOW THAT IS HELPING
US GUIDE US THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US THE NEXT LEVEL OF TRASH CONTRACT THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW AT LEAST THE CITY TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS AND THOSE OPTIONS WILL BE TO DELAY TRASH PICKUP
TO ALLOW RESIDENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A WINDOW TO PUT TRASH OUT IN THE MORNING. I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GO TO THE EXTREME WHERE WE'RE PICKING IT UP AT 830, NINE, 10:00 WE'RE STARTING OUR COLLECTION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROBABLY
FISCALLY FEASIBLE, OPERATIONALLY FEASIBLE BUT IF WE CAN CREATE MORE OF A WINDOW I THINK THESE THE LEAST THESE BIDS ARE GOING TO GIVE US THE SENSE WHAT WILL COST TO DO THAT
AND SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS OR POTENTIAL THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT LIKE MANDATE AND CONTAINERIZATION, WASTE LIMITS AND CITIES CHARGING PER BIN ARE REALLY
UNPOPULAR HOW BUT REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT I KNOW REPRESENT IN A AREA WITH A LOT OF STUDENTS, A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE.
SEPTEMBER ONE THE STREETS ARE I MEAN IT'S ATROCIOUS JUST THE THE TURNOVER PUTTING YOUR WHOLE ENTIRE APARTMENT ON THE STREET
AND THE IDEA THAT THAT COSTS $0 FOR ALL OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE COMPLETELY MOVING THEIR ENTIRE ONTO THE SIDEWALK TO ME AS A CITY OFFICIAL JUST DOES NOT
SEEM SO LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ALLOW AND ALSO JUST IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT, GETTING NEW FURNITURE EVERY TIME YOU
MOVE IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE AS A CITY PROMOTING AND HOW I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE EVERYONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION HERE BUT WHAT
TYPE OF POLITICAL CAPITAL IS THE ADMINISTRATION WILLING TO USE TO MOVE IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY AND ACTUALLY TAKE SOME OF THESE ISSUES HEAD ON THAT MAY BE UNPOPULAR?
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK I THINK WHEN OTHER CITIES HAVE ATTACKED THIS IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY UPFRONT INVESTMENTS UPFRONT TO THINK THROUGH THESE PROBLEMS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT BOSTON NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERING IS YOU KNOW AND I'M JUST I'M GIVING A
GRANDER EXAMPLE IN NEW YORK BUT BECAUSE NEW YORK IS A LOT BIGGER THAN BOSTON BUT WHEN BOSTON WHEN NEW YORK DID THEIR CONTAINERIZATION STUDY WAS A $5 MILLION STUDY JUST JUST FOR THE STUDY ALONE. SO THAT'S JUST THE GRAND SCALE
OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY DID THAT THAT GAVE THEM A DOCUMENT TO START IMPLEMENTING POLICY. THAT'S WHAT THAT THEM SO I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO THINK ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE INVESTING IN TRASH AN
ENFORCEMENT POLICY. WE CERTAINLY MADE A STEP IN THAT RIGHT DIRECTION ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE THREE TWO YEARS AGO NOW THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE POSITION OF DIRECTOR OF POLICY PLANNING
AND WASTE, ONE OF THE FIRST OF ITS KIND. THAT'S LIKE LITERALLY ALLOWING US TO LOOK AT THESE PROBLEMS NOW IN SMALLER WAYS AND PROBABLY NOT IN THE GRAND OF WAYS THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT NOW ABOUT CHARGING RESIDENTS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT TO START TO THINK ABOUT THESE THESE NATIONAL CONTAINERIZATION MODELS LIKE WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT BEFORE UNTIL WE HAD THIS THIS VERY IMPORTANT POSITION AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR
THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IS WE'VE BEEN REALLY TAKING A HARD LOOK AT THESE THINGS BUT IT'S MORE UPFRONT INVESTMENTS AND AND YOU KNOW I HATE TO USE THE WORD
STUDIES BECAUSE THEY OFTEN LEAD TO LITTLE OR NOTHING BUT TO MAKE MAJOR INVESTMENTS AS TO HOW THE CITY CAN KIND OF CHANGE ITS TRASH IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE'RE CERTAINLY AT PUBLIC SCREAMING ON TOP OF THE HILL
THAT THE COST OF TRASH AND THE COST OF EVERYTHING IN THE WAY WE DO IN THE CITY IS GETTING EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND NOT A LOT OF IT'S OUR FAULT LIKE THERE ARE LESS DISPOSAL SITES ACROSS THE CITY.
THERE ARE NO MORE LANDFILLS IN IN THE CITY AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN STUFF LANDFILLS BUT THERE'S FEW WASTE TO ENERGY SITES. THEY'RE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE AND RECYCLING IS NO LONGER PROFITABLE. YEAH, THAT'S I'M NOT WILLING TO
GO THERE. IT'S CERTAINLY LESS PROFITABLE JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE DISPOSE OF TRASH IT ROUGHLY COSTS US ABOUT $110 A TON TO DISPOSE OF IT.
WHEN WE DISPOSE OF RECYCLING IT COSTS US RIGHT NOW IT'S COSTING US ABOUT $73 A TON. SO THIS SPREAD THERE THERE'S A SPREAD WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE NOW HOW MUCH OF THAT PROFITS EATEN UP BY HAVING THE EXTRA TRUCKS, THE EXTRA BODIES NEXT THING EAT
PICKING IT UP. IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING THEY WERE PAYING US FOR THE TONNAGE. THEY'RE PAYING US 30 $40 A TON TO GET RID OF IT. THOSE MARKETS HAVE DRIED UP. THEY NO LONGER EXIST.
WE ARE NOW PAYING IT. WE'RE PAYING A LESSER RATE THAN TRASH. SO I STILL THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR AND IT'S SAVING US MONEY SOMEWHERE BUT IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE. IT'S STILL VERY COSTLY AND THAT CONTINUES TO GO UP.
YOU KNOW IT'S VERY THAT'S A FLEXIBLE RATE. LAST YEAR WE WERE PAYING $50 A TON. NOW WE'RE NOT PAYING SO I KNOW I'M OUT OF TIME BUT I JUST
WANTED TO QUICKLY ASK IF WE WERE TO MAKE THIS POLICY CHANGE, HOW WOULD THIS POLICY CHANGE HAPPEN LIKE IF SAME DAY PUT OUT AND PICK UP OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME CONTRACTS THAT
NEED TO BE RECONCILED BUT BUT IS THIS AN ORDINANCE IS THIS THAT IS THIS THE ADMINISTRATION JUST WAVING A WAND AND SAYING THIS IS THESE ARE NOW THE RULES THIS THIS IS TRASH SET OUT IS
AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PUBLIC WASTE COMMISSIONER AND HOW WILL THE POLICIES WE SET AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW STATE SANITATION CODE SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN PLACE, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO HAVE THE CONTRACTS IN
PLACE AND ACCEPT THE COSTS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS. THE LADY YOU PICK IT UP IN THE MORNING OR SWITCHING TO A ONE LOAD MODEL IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT DOLLARS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WE LIKE WE ARE GOING
TO BID THEM OUT TO GIVE US SOME OPTIONS. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT ACCEPTING THOSE PARTICULAR OPTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL GIVE THIS BACK TO THE CHAIR. I WOULD LOVE A SECOND ROUND IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO GO IN ORDER OF CO-SPONSORS FIRST AND THEN BY ORDER OF ATTENDANCE SO I'M GOING TO GO WITH COUNCILPERSON LOUIJEUNE AND THEN WE'LL GO COUNSELOR MURPHY AND COUNCILOR FOR THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.
THANKS AGAIN FOR SO MANY OF YOUR RESPONSES. I FIRST WANT TO SAY I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT COLLAPSIBLE OR COLLAPSIBLE WASTE BINS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN
RESEARCHED AND LOOKED INTO? YEAH, WE WE PILOTED THEM BACK IN THE SELF AND MAYBE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO NOW AND RAN MAYBE A THREE MONTH PILOT NOT
VERY SUCCESSFUL THEY DID NOT RODENT PROOF AT ALL THEY THREW THEM IN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY RESIDENTS DIDN'T LIKE THEM TRASH GUYS DIDN'T LIKE THEM. THEY YOU KNOW THEY'RE VERY
FLIMSY BRINGING THEM FROM THE CURB TO THE THING. SO I THINK BY LIKE MID PILOT WE PILOT ON TWO STREETS I THINK ALMOST 80% OF THE PEOPLE WEREN'T EVEN USING THEM ANYMORE. THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T HELP
WITH LITTER UNLESS THEY'RE LIKE THEY HAD A LOT OF THEY HAD ZIPPERS IN THE TOP SO UNLESS YOU ZIP THEM THEY DON'T REALLY HOLD THE TRASH ALL THAT WELL AND THEY START TO COLLAPSE AND ALL THOSE THINGS WE CAN'T UNZIP EVERY SINGLE ONE AS WE GO
AROUND AND COLLECT 70,000 HOUSEHOLDS A DAY. SO THEY JUST IT JUST WASN'T VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE SMALL PILOT WE RAN IN THE SOUTH END AND OTHER DIFFERENT MODELS FOR WHAT COLLAPSIBLE LIKE WE WE
USED ONE KIND OF COLLAPSIBLE TRASH CAN OTHER DIFFERENT MODELS I HAVEN'T SEEN OTHER I MEAN I'VE SEEN THIS MODEL AND VARIATIONS AND BRANDS OF THIS MODEL BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ELSE THAN WHAT YOU
WHAT WE USED OUT THERE. OKAY YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOSS OF PARKING LIKE AS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN REVIEWING WHAT IT WHAT WOULD THAT BE FOR? WELL, I THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY
MEANT IN TERMS OF LIKE SOME SOME SOME CITIES HAVE DECIDED IN HIGHER URBAN DENSE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY BEND AND YOU GIVE UP A PARKING SPACE ON A BLOCK AND THEN EVERYBODY
HAS TO WALK THEIR TRASH TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND NO ONE GOES CURBSIDE. IT JUST GOES THIS ONE COMMUNITY BEND SO THEY GIVE UP THE PARKING SPACE SO THAT NEW YORK'S PILOTING A MODEL LIKE THAT THEY'RE BEING VERY QUIET
ON IT. DON'T THINK IT'S SUCCESSFUL AT ALL. I THINK PEOPLE HATE IT THOSE THOSE COMMUNITY BINS TEND TO ATTRACT COMMERCIAL TRASH. THEY TEND TO ATTRACT TRASH FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY JUST PEOPLE DUMPING ON TOP OF THEM.
RIGHT. SO THE NOT SO THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT AND THAT SENSE IN ANOTHER SENSE IT COULD ALSO MEANT TO BE YOU KNOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET EFFICIENT WITH TRASH COLLECTION AND THINK OF THINGS THE OTHER WAY IS HOW
WE DO STREET CLEANING. IT'S WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE STREETS. WE CLEAN THE STREETS IN THESE MODELS WHERE YOU DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON TRASH DAY. SO IT ALLOWS FOR A VERY EFFICIENT OPERATION TO GO UP
AND DOWN THE STREET WHICH COULD ALLOW FOR SOME MORE CONTAINERIZATION IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS MAYBE NOT THE NEIGHBOR THAT MAYBE NOT THE RESIDENT THAT CAN'T FIT HAVE BEEN IN THEIR UNIT BUT FOR THE RESIDENT THAT COULD FIT IN A
BED IN A UNIT BUT WE CAN'T COLLECT IT BECAUSE THE CARS ARE PARKED SO CLOSELY WE CAN'T PULL THE UNIT BETWEEN CARS SO LIKE YOU CAN GIVE UP PARKING THAT WAY IT'S LIKE NO PARKING ON TRASH DAY ON THE STREETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THAT BE YOU KNOW YOU THINK YOU THINK BEACON HILL, YOU THINK THE NORTH END PROBABLY A LOT OF STREETS IN THE SOUTH END POSSIBLY SOME AREAS
OF CHINATOWN AND THOSE AREAS MOSTLY IT'S REALLY DENSE COMMERCIALLY ZONE DISTRICTS WITH THAT HAVE PARKING ISSUES RIGHT. BUT THEN TRASH AND A LOT
OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW IS IN BEING CONTAINERIZED. BUT YOU'RE SAYING LIKE IF WE WERE TO YOU KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE EXPLORING PARKING LIKE THE LOSS OF PARKING FOR THE COMMUNITY WE
WENT WE'RE NOT EXPLORING IT. WE'RE JUST IDENTIFYING IT AS AN ISSUE. WE JUST WE'RE NOT THERE'S NO EXPLANATION AT ALL ESPECIALLY IF THE MODELS I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROBABLY COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEMS TOO WITH LIKE A COMMUNITY LIKE WE'VE GOT WE'RE
TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY ANY PARKING LIKE THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW TRYING TO GO ABOUT IT. BUT IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IF
YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE COULD IT BE A CULTURE SHIFT OF NO PARKING BETWEEN SIX AND 10 A.M. RIGHT NOT ALL DAY NO PARKING BUT IN THE MORNING OF TRASH DAY FOR PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE TRASH MORE EFFICIENT. IT CERTAINLY MAKE US BE ABLE TO CLEAN ROUTES AND STREETS QUICKER, KEEPS TRASH ON THE STREETS A LOT YOU KNOW A LOT LESS AMOUNT OF TIME AND IT
WOULD CERTAINLY BE LESS COSTLY BECAUSE THE LESS YOU HAVE THE TRUCK ON THE STREET, THE CHEAPER IT GETS LIKE THAT'S JUST WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO COORDINATE THAT DAY WITH A STREET CLEANING DAY SUCH THAT
YEAH I MEAN SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO IT'S NOT LIKE TO THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT HOW THAT COORDINATION BE DONE. BUT STREET CLEANING ISN'T DONE AS MUCH AS TRASH RIGHT?
IT'S LIKE SO IT'S THERE'S TWO DAYS A WEEK DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO IT NOW IT ALSO IS IN STREET CLEANING IS ALSO DONE SEASONALLY SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO PARKING YEAR ROUND IN THOSE THOSE DISTRICTS IF IT WAS
ON TRASH DAYS SO RIGHT AND THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IS IT ROXBURY AND DOWNTOWN THAT ARE IT'S TWICE A WEEK YEAH YEAH YEP OKAY HAVE WE LOOKED INTO
THE TRASH BAGS OR HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN THAT LEAVES THEIR TRASH BAGS WITH MEANT AS AN APPROACH TO DETER ROAD TRAFFIC BUT WE
HAVEN'T BUT EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT THEM IS IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL IT'S NOT ANYTHING THICKER BAGS MIGHT WORK A LITTLE BETTER BUT IT IT ROAD
IT'S PERSISTENT YOU KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO FOOD SO I ACTUALLY CAN JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THIS SO WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF BAG THAT SHOULD BE ON THE CURB MUCH LIKE
CONTAINERIZATION HASN'T BEEN ENFORCED. SO WHAT PEOPLE PUT ON THE CURB IS YOUR WHITE BEAN KITCHEN TRASH BAG THAT RATS CAN EAT THROUGH IN LIKE A SPLIT SECOND. WE REQUIRE TECHNICALLY A
THICKER BAG WHICH RATS CAN DEFINITELY EAT THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY AS WELL BUT IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BUT IT'S BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM LIKE THEY CAN GET THROUGH THOSE KITCHEN BAGS AND LIKE IN LIKE
COUNCILOR SAID I THINK THE SUPERMARKETS ARE ONLY SELLING THOSE KITCHEN BAGS NOW BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S IN DEMAND LIKE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. THEY WANT TO FILL THEIR KITCHEN CONTAINER, PACK IT UP AND JUST PUT IT ON THE STREET INSTEAD
OF PUTTING IN THAT LARGE GREEN BAG. SO IF YOU GO OVER TO ANY OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S ALL WHITE BAGS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST EATING THROUGH IN SECONDS AND IN NOT EVEN EVEN THROUGH EVEN EVEN WHEN YOU'RE DRAGGING IT DOWN YOUR STAIRS IT DEVELOPS
THAT WHOLE THAT EVENTUALLY IT'S JUST SPILLING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE JUST HAVE A CITY OF NOT CHOSEN TO ENFORCE THICKER BAGS. I'VE CERTAINLY HAD NEIGHBORS
THAT HAVE COME TO ME IN THIS AS AS AS NEIGHBORHOOD CAPTAIN AND SAY HEY WE'RE WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE IN OUR BLOCK USE THE THICKER ONES AND IT'S MADE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPACT THEY SAID IT'S HELPED IN SOME WAYS
SO THANK YOU SUBMITTED WHAT CAN YOU DESCRIBE LIKE WHAT ARE THOSE THICKER BAGS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST IT'S MORE THE GREEN BAG VERSUS THE WHITE BAG LIKE THAT YOU SEE LIKE YOU KNOW, THE HEFTY DURABLE BAG IS LIKE WHAT WE MORE AND
TECHNICALLY REQUIRE IS A TRASH CLAIMS BUT THE KITCHEN BAG IS THE ONE THAT FITS INSIDE YOU AS A LINER TO YOUR LITTLE KITCHEN YEAH SO I'M I LIVE IN HYDE PARK OUR TRASH IS CONTAINERIZED SO I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE
GREEN BAG AND JUST WANTED TO UPLIFT IT SO THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT THAT YES SO IT'S UM IT'S THIS SPECIFICATION OF WEBSITE IT'S LIKE IT'S A TWO PLY 2.90 LITER BAG IS IS THE ACTUAL THE
SPECIFICATION I CAN KIND OF SEND THEM OVER TO YOU. YEAH BUT THAT'S THAT THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD BUT IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH LITTER IT'S GOING TO MAKE
A DIFFERENCE WITH SOME RATS. I KNOW I THINK IT'S TELLING THAT YOU SAID EVEN ON YOUR STREET YOU YOU'VE NOTICED EVEN A SLIGHT YEAH THAT WAS THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN IN THE BACK BAY NEIGHBORHOOD CAPTAINS OVER THERE HAVE TOLD US THEY'VE MADE
SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE IT I THINK I SAID I THINK A LOT OF THE TIMES IT BECOMES A BALL WHEN YOU'RE DRAGGING IT OUT IT POKE HOLES LIKE THE SMALLER THE THE LESS QUALITY OF A BAG THE MORE YOU KNOW LITTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE
THAT YOU KIND OF AND WE'VE NOTICED IT'S JUST AND I GET IT BECAUSE PEOPLE'S APARTMENTS ARE SMALL THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR WHITE KITCHEN LITTER BAG INSIDE THEIR BASKET PICK IT UP GO AND
THEY JUST PUT IT RIGHT IN THE CURB AND IT'S THAT'S ALL WE SEE IS WHITE BAGS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE MOST PART. BUT I THINK IF PEOPLE LIKE I MEAN TAKE THE WHITE BAG YOU PUT IT IN THE TWO PLY GREEN BAG, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME
MORE I MEAN MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I LIVE IN I CAN TAKE MAYBE TWO CONTAINERIZED MY TRASH A GREAT BUT IF PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU CAN JUST YOU CAN STILL TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR KITCHEN YEAH AND DUMP IT IT JUST PUT IT JUST PLOP
THAT BAG IN ANOTHER BAG AND BRING THAT OUT. I AGREE AND I THINK IF THE DEMAND STARTED TO BE THERE I THINK THEIR JUST STOCK I THINK THE SUPERMARKETS STOPPED CARRYING THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS SHELF SPACE IN THE SMALLER SUPERMARKETS AND THEY JUST
RESPOND TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING. THANK YOU. WELL I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO PROBABLY DO AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL WAIT MY TIME. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND GOT A TEXT FROM A
CONSTITUENT WHO SAID THE CITY'S RIGHT GRAPHICS ARE TOP NOTCH SO THEY MUST BE WATCHING. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MURPHY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR AND BRINGING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ALWAYS DO BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS A FEW THINGS.
ONE IS THESE CONSTRUCTION BAGS ARE NOT THE ONES THEY'RE NOT THE CONSTRUCTION BIG BOX YOU BUY AT HOME DEPOT. IT'S THE OLD GREEN ONES. YEAH, I'M NOT I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THOSE CONSTRUCTION BAGS ARE
EVEN THICKER THAN THEM. THEY'RE DONE THE NORMAL HEFTY REGULAR TRASH GREEN BAG. BUT WE DO THE REGULAR HALF TO HEFTY 1.9 MILLILITER. TWO PLY IS THE ONE THAT'S OUR
THAT'S OUR MINIMUM STANDARD. THAT'S NOT BEING MET IN THE STREET THESE DAYS. OKAY. I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT LIKE NOT FOLLOWING AND NOT ENFORCING
AND IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO WHY WE'RE LEGALLY TO NOT FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE IS REQUIRING. I JUST THINK IT'S BEEN PASSED PRACTICE FOR PROBABLY AS LONG
AS I CAN REMEMBER. I THINK I THINK THE CITY ALWAYS LOOKED IN TREATING NEIGHBORHOODS THE SAME WAY. I THINK NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
CAN'T CONTAIN A RISE WE WE'VE NEVER ENFORCED IT THERE BECAUSE WE DID YOU KNOW TRASH TRUCKS CAN'T PICK THEM UP WHEN THE CONTAINER IS CERTAIN ISSUES THERE SO THEY'VE LOOKED TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE ALLSTON, BRIGHTON OR WHEREVER
YOU WHEREVER IN HYDE PARK OR WEST ROXBURY OR ROSLINDALE OR WHEREVER AND SAID HOW CAN WE WRITE YOU A TICKET IF WE'RE NOT RIGHT AND OTHER PEOPLE'S TICKETS? I THINK THAT'S JUST BEEN THE PAST PRACTICE AND I THINK I STATED EARLIER I GO WE WE JUST
STARTED TO THINK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PUT IT OUT. I MEAN WE JUST WENT THROUGH OUTDOOR DINING AND YES, PEOPLE GET UPSET BUT AT THE END OF THE
DAY IF THE FACTS SHOW THAT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTAINERIZED YOU SHOULD HAVE TO SHOW RIGHT. AND I HAVE TO ADD A VERY IMPORTANT FACT TO THAT TOO IS IS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM THAT ENFORCES TRASH
REGULATIONS. THEY'RE A TEAM OF 17 PEOPLE. WE COVER THAT COVER PRETTY MUCH 24 SEVEN ON THREE SHIFTS PLUS WHATEVER OVERTIME THAT THEY NEED TO COVER. IT'S A VERY THIN TEAM.
SO ENFORCING CONTAINERIZATION WOULD NEED MEANT THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION LIKE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF TOUCHED ON WE DON'T WE'RE NOT STAFFED AND READY TO DO
THAT BUT WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO? IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE BEEFING UP THE ENFORCEMENT TEAM. I MEAN IT STARTS IT ALL STARTS WITH CHANGING RESIDENTS BEHAVIOR AND I THINK A LOT
OF YOU GUYS HAVE MENTIONED LIKE CAMPAIGNS AND THINGS TO GET RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES BOSTON HAS IS WE'RE SUCH A TRANSIENT CITY.
AS SOON AS WE EDUCATE PEOPLE THE CITY PICKS UP AND MOVES AWAY LIKE AND THEN YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, AGAIN AND AGAIN. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE BUT IT'S IT
STARTS A CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS HAS IT HAS A SAYING THAT THAT I'VE LOVED EVER SINCE I WAS TOLD IT WAS LIKE ENFORCEMENT THROUGH EDUCATION OR EDUCATION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT THE WAY YOU WANT TO SAY IT BUT IT'S LIKE
THAT'S WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DESIGNED TO DO. BUT WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS HOW TO PUT OUT TRASH BETTER AND MORE PROPERLY AND WHY AND THIS WOULD BE WRAP IS KIND OF FOCUSED ON A LITTLE BIT BUT THEN WE NEED TO ENFORCE IT AND WE NEED TO JUST JUST SO
JUST THE ENFORCEMENT IS USES IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL MECHANISM IT AS IT IS AS AS A VIOLATION OF A FINE AND WHAT WOULD A TICKET FINE LOOK LIKE HOW MUCH OR YEAH BECAUSE THEY MUST GIVE SOME OUT
NOW DO WE NEVER BECAUSE WE WE DO SO WE SO SO WE'RE WE SO THIS IS THIS IS THE LITTLE INTRICACY IN THE STATE LAW OF SANITATION LOT OF MANDATORY TAXES CONTAINERIZATION WE ENFORCE
CONTAINERIZATION AND WHEN IS ON YOUR PROPERTY ON A NON TRASH DAY HAS TO IT HAS TO BE CONTAINER I GOT A TICKET FOR HAVING TRASH IN A BAG BECAUSE
YEAH SO WE WE CERTAINLY ENFORCE THAT NOW AND THEN WE WRITE VIOLATIONS FOR IT IT'S GOT IT IF YOU ARE STORING IT ON YOUR PROPERTY OUTSIDE IT HAS TO BE CONTAINERIZED ON A NON TRASH DAY THE MINUTE IT'S ON THE CURB
ON A TRASH DAY WE KNOW WE DON'T ENFORCE IT AND THAT'S THAT'S BEEN THE DIFFERENCE SO FAR AND TO ENFORCE THAT WOULD JUST BE I MEAN IT'D BE BEEFING UP I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS THAT BUT IT'S CERTAINLY TIMES THE
NUMBER OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS RIGHT NOW. IS THERE ANYTHING YOUR TEAM'S DOING ON THAT? YEAH, DEFINITELY. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I THINK ONE OF THE COMMON
THEMES IS THIS EDUCATION OR AWARENESS CAMPAIGN AND YOU KNOW SANITATION IS KEY AND TRYING TO HELP REDUCE RODENT ACTIVITY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, YOU KNOW, THE GRAPHICS THAT YOU'RE ALL REFERRING TO IS ACTUALLY
PART OF OUR AWARENESS CAMPAIGN THAT WE'RE LAUNCHING ACROSS THE CITY. SO WE'RE DOING THIS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. ONE IS BEING LIKE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN BUT ALSO TRYING TO TARGET SOME OF THE
MORE SPECIFIC HOT SPOT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE MTA TO GET THIS ADVERTISEMENT CAMPAIGN ONTO THE GREEN LINE INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HAVE HIGH STUDENT POPULATION
SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS THEY NEED TO HELP, YOU KNOW, CONTAINERIZED THEIR TRASH PROPERLY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE WHICH IS BOSTON DOT GOV SLASH RATS, WE HAVE A LOT
OF INFORMATION FOR RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW THEIR HABITS CAN HELP REDUCE RODENT ACTIVITY. SO ONE OF THOSE THREE AREAS OF FOCUS THAT JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER IN HIS PRESENTATION TWO
OF THOSE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON ONE BEING TRASH AND THEN ANOTHER ONE BEING EDUCATION. BOTH ARE REALLY CRUCIAL FOR DRIVING DOWN THE NUMBERS I MEAN BECAUSE THERE'S A DIRECT
CORRELATION BETWEEN PUTTING YOUR TRASH OUT AND IN A TRASH BAG IN THE RATS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO LIKE AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT'S GREAT EDUCATION. IT'S IMPORTANT BUT AT SOME
POINT WE HAVE TO USE WHAT POWER WE DO HAVE, RIGHT? IF IT'S FINES OR SOMETHING TO SAY LISTEN, WE CAN'T BE HAVING RAT LOCKS BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE WALKING BY WHITE TRASH
BAGS LIKE IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL FACTS THAT ARE RIGHT IN OUR FACE. RIGHT. WE KNOW WHY THE RATS ARE STILL IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS IN STREETS MORE THAN OTHERS AND WE
KNOW IT'S BECAUSE THE TRASH LIKE ON MY STREET AFTER TRASH PICK UP LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S LOTS OF FOOD THERE. THERE'S LIQUID FROM THE RIPPED BARRELS AND IT HAD BEEN UNDER
ALL THAT YOU KNOW THAT PILE OF TRASH FOR PROBABLY 12 HOURS AND THERE WON'T BE A STREET CLEANER TILL THE FOLLOWING DAY. SO SO I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT I THINK ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS
REALLY GATHER AS MUCH FEEDBACK AND RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST CHANGES THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY MAKE FOR BOSTON BOTH FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGH SOME OF THESE CHANGES BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GATHER AS MUCH RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND ALSO WORK WITH DIFFERENT CITIES AND ALSO
THE HARVARD CLASS TO REALLY DO THIS ANALYSIS BEFORE PROPOSING ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FLYNN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
AND I FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE SPONSORS WHEN I ORIGINALLY SPOKE. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CASTLEDERG AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
LOOK, YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING YOU HAVE A SITE VISIT IN CHINATOWN NEXT WEEK. IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CLASS IS SHOWING THEM SOME OF THE DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO BOSTON AN ACTION PLAN WE JUST INSTALLED. I MEAN CAN YOU JUST SEND ME THE INFORMATION WHEN IT IS SURE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE THERE.
OF COURSE IF YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL WE DON'T HAVE AN OWNER'S PERSON RIGHT NOW IN CHINATOWN. I WANT TO I WANT TO BE ON SCENE BUT AT LEAST WITH SOMEONE FROM
MY STAFF THAT SPEAKS CANTONESE. ARE YOU COMMUNICATING WITH WITH THE CHINATOWN RESIDENTS IN CANTONESE? YEAH, WE'RE WORKING WITH BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
GROUPS THERE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH FOLKS WHO ARE ABLE TO HELP US COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENTS. WHO WAS THAT? HELEN KWONG FROM THE CPA. OKAY CAN YOU CAN YOU PLEASE
SEND ME AN EMAIL TODAY? DEFINITELY. THAT'S A THAT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU DENNIS THE CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH WE SPEND EACH
YEAR ON TRASH RECYCLE AND THEN COMPOSTING? YEAH, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME SOME KIND OF ROUGH NUMBERS ON ON ON TRASH RECYCLING SO THE TRASH CONTRACTS ARE ABOUT 45 MILLION ANNUALLY AND THAT'S FOR
COLLECTIONS. OKAY. THE DISPOSAL SIDE OF IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND $40 MILLION AND THEN WE SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY I THINK IT'S
AROUND 5 MILLION FOR OUR CURBSIDE COMPOSTING PROGRAM AND WE HAVE VARIOUS OTHER PROGRAMS AS YOU GUYS KNOW WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL BINS WHICH I CALL PROJECT OSCAR AND THOSE ARE
MORE MINIMAL COST MATTRESS COLLECTIONS WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF MILLION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACT. IT'S A BALLPARK OUR DEPARTMENT'S $100 MILLION BUDGET. OKAY.
WHAT IS IT FOR RECYCLING FOR THE DOUBLE BARRELS FOR RECYCLING. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY LUMPED IN SO CAPITAL WASTE PICKS THAT UP SO IT'S ALL LUMPED INTO ONE $45
MILLION NUMBER BY THE DISPOSAL SIDE OF THE WE COULD BREAK DOWN FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME OF THOSE COSTS BUT I DON'T HAVE MY TOP MY HAND BUT I BUT I DID TELL YOU THAT TRASH IS ROUGHLY $110 A TON VERSUS RECYCLING BEING $73 A TON.
OKAY. SO THE 45 ANNUAL IS OUR COLLECTION THAT'S CAP THAT'S A CAPITAL WASTE TRUCK YOU SEE PICKING UP. OKAY. BOTH RECYCLING AND TRASH AND THEN PLUS 3430 TO DISPOSE
OF IT. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO I WANT TO GET BACK TO AN
ISSUE THAT I'VE PRACTICALLY WORKED ON FOR EIGHT YEARS ON ON PEST CONTROL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I SEE IN EXPERIENCE IN CHINATOWN ALMOST ON A DAILY
BASIS WITH HOW WE'RE TAKING OUT OUR TRASH PEOPLE JUST LEAVING TRASH ON THE STREET IN A BAG AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THE
SEAGULLS REALLY BREAK FOR THE BAG AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY THE RATS. BUT WHAT? SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT IS A
PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN DIFFICULT, CHALLENGING DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE CHINATOWN
WHERE RESTAURANTS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL? SO MANY RESTAURANTS PROBABLY MORE SO THAN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR PER AREA PER CAPITA. BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING IN
CHINATOWN SPECIFICALLY OR WHAT CAN WE DO GOING FORWARD TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC HEALTH? I MEAN SOME OF THAT SOME OF THE TACTICS THAT WE TAKE NOW IN
THOSE THOSE TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS CHINATOWN BEING ONE IT'S COMMERCIALLY OWNED TYPE PLACES IS WE GET IN THERE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PRIORITIZED WITH GETTING TRUCKS
IN THERE AS QUICKLY RESIDENTIAL TRUCKS, COMMERCIAL WASTE IS SEPARATE FROM US BUT RESIDENT WE GET OUR RESIDENTIAL TRUCKS IN THERE IN THE MORNING AND WE THOSE ARE OUR MORNING DISTRICTS AND THEY'RE THAT WAY FOR A REASON BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGHLY
COMMERCIAL ZONES. THEY'RE NON CONTAINERIZATION ZONES, THEY'RE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES THOSE ARE THE ZONES THAT WERE PRIORITIZING DURING THIS BOSTON RIGHT ACTION COMMITTEE FOR LOOKING AT THE NEXT LEVEL OF CONTRACT TO TO
MAYBE INSERT POLICIES THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR BAGS TO BE PUT OUT OVERNIGHT AND ALLOWS ALLOWS A WINDOW FOR FOR RESIDENTS TO PUT IT OUT IN THE MORNING AND START COLLECTION A LITTLE LATER BUT STILL
PRIORITIZE THOSE ZONES WITH TRASH COLLECTION WHAT TIME IS WHAT TIME IS THE COLLECTION TAKING PLACE IN CHINATOWN? WE WE START A TRUCK AT 6 A.M.. OKAY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO 6 A.M. IT'S JUST IT FLOWS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTING AT 6 A.M., FOR EXAMPLE. AND TYLER STRAIGHT DOWN TO IS LIKE TAI TUNG IS YOU KNOW,
GOING UP TYLER STREET ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A TRUCK TO WHILE THE TRUCK HAS TO STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OBVIOUSLY BUT THEN THE AND IT'S IT'S NO
FAULT OF THE TRASH PICKUP GUY BUT THEN WHEN THE SOME TRASH SPILLS OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALK AND AS YOU KNOW THE CARS ARE COMPACTED RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH
OTHER IT'S REALLY NOT THE TRUCK DRIVERS RESPONSIBLE TO PICK THE TRASH UP I THINK. BUT THEN BUT I'M FORTUNATE THAT THAT TRASH STAYS ON THE GROUND FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE
OF TRASH IT IS. THAT'S THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN IS I DO THINK WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW MOVE THOSE CARS OFF THE STREET WHEN WHEN WHEN THE TRUCK DOES
COME TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE DRIVER BUT ALSO IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH WHAT ANY ANY WAY WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT DENNIS I MEAN THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD
OUTREACH ISSUE TO GET AGREEMENT AND MOVING AND NOT PARKING ON TRASH DAY. I MEAN IT CERTAINLY MAKES OPERATIONS EASY. IT CERTAINLY MAKES CLEANUP EASIER. THE COMMON TERM FOR THAT IS SPILLAGE THE SPILLAGE FROM THE TRUCKS AND AND THINGS LIKE
THAT. BUT IT'S AS YOU AS YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNCIL SEEN IT. THEY HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT JOB . IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT JOB PARK IN THE CITY IS A TRASH COLLECTOR THEY'RE NAVIGATING
BETWEEN CARS. THE BAGS AREN'T THERE PROPERLY RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS AND ALL I WOULD PUT THEM ON THE WHITE BAGS WHEN I SEE RESIDENTS THAT PUT OUT TRASH IN BROWN GROCERY PAPER BAGS IT JUST SIT THERE
AND THEY THEY BLOW OVER AND THEY JUST BLOW DOWN THE STREET IMMEDIATELY. SO IT'S A LOT OF THAT COORDINATION. BUT BUT I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE TRASH COLLECTION IN A DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT
EASIER IS WOULD BE BETTER AND AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOK TO RESIDENTS FOR LIKE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS STUDY WITH YOU KNOW THIS EDUCATIONAL REACH OF RESIDENTS LIKE HOW DO YOU
GUYS FEEL ABOUT IF WE WERE TO RESTRICT PARKING ON TRASH DAYS LIKE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED TO RESIDENTS. OKAY AND AGAIN, I JUST I NEED TO BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO MY
CONSTITUENTS THAT I'M ENGAGED IN PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND HAVING SOMEONE FROM MY TEAM THAT SPEAKS CANTONESE AS PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS IS ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT FOR
ME AS WELL. I DO HAVE TO BE PART OF THAT SO IF YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL TODAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY ASSISTANT MELISSA IS THERE
ENGAGING THE RESIDENTS IN IN CANTONESE AND BUT DENNIS YOU ARE RIGHT AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE TIME BUT I DID I
DO SEE THE TRASH COLLECT FOR TRASH COLLECTION GUYS THEY DID THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB BUT I'VE SEEN THEM PICK UP TRASH AND THEN HAVE TO WALK LIKE
EIGHT AND NINE CARS BACKWARDS. YES. BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO GET THE BARREL THROUGH THE TWO CARS AND THEN WALK IT UP TO WHERE THE TRUCK IS AND THEN DO
THE SAME BRING THE BARREL DOWN BACK AND IT TAKES A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THINGS HOW CHALLENGING IT IS FOR THAT DRIVER.
BUT I DO THINK AND THEN IF WE DO HAVE CARS OFF THE STREET IT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET A SWEEP DOWN THERE TOO BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE
CARS SIT THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AS YOU KNOW AND THE TRASH IS UNDERNEATH THE CARS NEXT TO THE TIRES ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FOR FOR THE
SWEEPERS TO GET IT SO YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DURING THE LAST ROUND OF TRASH CONTRACTOR WHICH IS LAST YEAR IN NEGOTIATION IS TRASH CART WITH UP IS WE MANDATED THE TRASH COMPANY PUT TWO BODIES ON
EVERY TRUCK SO IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE THEY WERE LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT CUT COSTS BUT LIKE BUT LIKE THEY WERE LIKE THE DRIVER WAS PULLING UP GETTING OUT OF THE TRUCK SERVICING THE THING AND THEN GOING BACK IN THE DRIVE AGAIN.
WE MANDATED DURING THE LAST OF THE CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE TWO BODIES ON THE TRUCK AND THAT'S HELPED A LITTLE BIT BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE THAT CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR A
STANDALONE CITY DEPARTMENT ON PEST CONTROL ELEVATE THAT PERSON TO A CABINET POSITION. I THINK IT'S THAT CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT OF A JOB IN A
DEPARTMENT THAT WE NEED A A CITY DEPARTMENT ON PEST CONTROL. JUST MY OPINION ABOUT LIVING IN THIS CITY FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE I KNOW HOW CRITICAL THIS ISSUE IS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FLYNN. OKAY. I KNOW THAT I GOT A FEW REQUESTS FOR SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS SO I'M GOING TO HONOR THAT AND GIVE YOU ALL AGAIN 6 MINUTES TO JUST
QUESTIONS. SO COUNCILMAN DURKAN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO I WANT TO PIVOT JUST A LITTLE BIT TO COMMERCIAL TRASH BUT BEFORE I DO THAT ALI FOLEY IS HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION IN THE BACK BAY. SHE IS THE CO-CHAIR OF THE BLOCK CAPTAINS PROGRAM. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK WITH THE BACK BAY NEIGHBORS. I KNOW THAT ONE ISSUE THAT YOU
DESCRIBED NEW YORK PILOTING SORT OF THESE BIG TRASH BINS MIGHT BE A SOLUTION UNIQUELY FOR THE BACK BAY. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE
HAS BEEN ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT SORT OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTING SOME
OF THE DENSEST NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT NOT WORK IN SOME SETTINGS THAT MIGHT WORK IN OTHER SETTINGS I JUST WANT TO SAY LIVING ON ANDERSON STREET IN BEACON HILL, I'VE NOTICED
WITH ALL THE NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED IN WE NOW SORT OF HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT EVERY ALL THE TRASH IS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAME TO THIS AGREEMENT. PEOPLE JUST STARTED DOING IT.
I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE SORT OF CONVERSATIONS AND WINK AND NODS ARE HAPPENING IN THE BACK BAY OF WHERE DO WE PUT OUR TRASH, HOW DO WE DO THIS? IT'S REALLY ABOUT BRINGING THE
COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND HAVING SOME SHARED SOLUTIONS TO SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS PARTICULARLY WITH THE BIN SYSTEM THAT MIGHT
BE ABUSED IN OTHER PLACES WHETHER BACK BAY ALLEYS WERE SOMETHING THAT WERE THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE I MOVE ON TO MY COMMERCIAL I MEAN THAT THAT'S A NATURAL THOUGHT TO THINK OF THE BACK. BAILEY REALITY IS A PERFECT
SOLUTION. IT BECOMES ABOUT SPACE WHERE THEY GO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT SPACE ON NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AREAS OF NEW YORK THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED SIMILAR PLACES LIKE THE BACK BAY ALLEYS FOR THESE
PROGRAMS IS THESE COMMUNITY BASED BINS BECOME DUMPING GROUNDS? THEY BECOME DUMPING GROUNDS FOR THE COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS. THEY BECOME DUMPING GROUNDS FOR OUR OUT OF CITY RESIDENTS THAT JUST COME IN AND THINK OH, WE
CAN BRING OUR TRASH THERE. SO NOT ONLY THOSE BINS LIKE WHEN THOSE BINS FILL UP THEY THEY STOP PILING BAGS ON TOP AROUND ALL OVER AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE BECOMING JUST LIKE ALMOST LIKE A MINI TRANSFER STATION FOR THE CITY.
THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY INEFFECTIVE AT THAT AND THEY JUST BECOME A COMPLETE MESS NOT ONLY THAT IS LIKE THEN YOU NOW HAVE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO WALK THEIR TRASH LIKE MAYBE A
BLOCK MAYBE A HALF BLOCK UP THE STREET EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S HOW THEY DID THEY WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM RESIDENTS LIKE NOEL LIKE I LIKE I WANT TO PUT MY TRASH OUT ON THE CURB IN FRONT OF MY RESIDENTS, GET PICK UP LIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOT HAVE TO WALK IT A BLOCK BLOCK AND A HALF EVERY TIME I KIND OF PICK IT UP SO THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE IN NEW YORK I THINK TO THIS POINT TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVEN'T WANTED TO TRY IT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BACK RATE RESIDENTS. I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY ABOUT FINDING COMMON SPACES AND SHARED SPACES FOR TRASH AND IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THAT'S ALREADY
SPOKEN FOR EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND WE HAD A SITUATION YESTERDAY WHERE WE HAD WE'VE HAD A PROGRAM GOING THAT WAS WORKING FOR A FEW MONTHS AND IT WAS WORKING REALLY WELL AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER FIRST TWO NEW
NEIGHBORS MOVED IN AND HATE IT. THEY WANTED ALL CHANGE BACK LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT. AND SO IT WAS A IT WAS A WORE OUT THERE YESTERDAY JUST BETWEEN NEIGHBORS ABOUT WE THOUGHT IT LOOKED GREAT WAS
CLEANED UP, IT WAS DOING WELL AND NOW THE TWO NEW NEIGHBORS THEY DON'T THEY DON'T WANT IT THEY'RE WELL TRUST ME MY DISTRICT WE HAD SOME FOLKS MOVE IN FROM ANOTHER STATE AND REALLY GAVE ME A PIECE OF THEIR MIND THIS WEEKEND ABOUT HOW THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO WORK IN
BEACON HILL SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE COMING, ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE SOMEHOW COMING TO AN AGREEMENT WHICH I KNOW ISN'T THE EASIEST THING AND THIS IS NEW YORK.
SO YOU KNOW, TAKE IT TO SCALE. BUT THOSE TRASH CONTAINERS IN NEW YORK, THOSE COMMUNITY CONTAINERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF GETTING A DAY OR TWO A SERVICE IN NEW YORK LIKE WE SERVICE IT NORMALLY
THOSE CONTAINERS NEED SIX TIMES A DAY SERVICE. WOW. LIKE THAT'S HOW QUICKLY THEY FILL UP. WOW. YOU NEED A TRUCK THAT JUST CONSTANTLY ROLLS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EMPTIES THEM.
THAT'S NEW YORK CITY LIKE WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE THAT BUT WE WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A THREE DAY PER DAY EMPTY MODEL IN A COMMUNITY CONTAINER LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO GET INTO SOME OF MY COMMERCIAL TRASH
QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO I MEAN I HAVE TO SAY THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB BUT EVEN BAGGING COMMERCIAL TRASH THEY
DOUBLE BAGGING IT'S DOUBLE IT'S IN THE DOUBLE PLY AND IT'S DOUBLE BAGGED AND THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN AND MAYBE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF IS JUST TOO
MUCH TO FIT IN CONTAINERS. SO JUST REALLY REALLY I KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT WE KIND OF ALL NEED TO UNDERTAKE BUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO
COMMERCIALIZE I MEAN SORRY TO CONTAINERIZED COMMERCIAL TRASH IT'S IT'S WELL THE ORDINANCE IS ALREADY IN PLACE AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
WE NEED MECHANISMS ENFORCEMENT WE NEED MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ENFORCE THOSE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS IN THESE HIGHLY DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TRASH AND WHEN WHEN
COMMERCIAL TRASH SETS THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE TRASH PERFECTLY CONTAINERS AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL GOOD ACTORS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUT THEY PUT IT OUT IN THE CURB AND IT'S ALL NICE AND CONTAINERIZED. RESIDENTS WILL COME AND DUMP THEIR TRASH ON TOP OF THE COMMERCIAL, RIGHT?
YEAH. I'VE SEEN THAT LEAVE THEIR BAGS RIGHT ON TOP. AND SO WHEN WE GO AND FIND THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THEY LIKE THE OTHER RESIDENTS ARE JUST DUMPING ON TOP. I LEAVE IT OUT PERFECTLY.
HERE'S MY PICTURE, HERE'S WHAT I DO AND THEY JUST PILOT RIGHT ON TOP AND THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO ALTHOUGH THAT VIOLATION THAT WE WROTE WE DIDN'T REALLY ENFORCE IT ON THE PERSON WHO WAS THE BAD ACTOR OH THAT HAS
HAPPENED RECENTLY THE SEVEN'S GOT TO CHECK IN BEACON HILL FOR SOMEONE PUTTING RESIDENTIAL TRASH ON TOP OF THEIR TRASH. HOW WOULD RESPOND TO THAT IS IS IF WE GOT A COMPLAINT FROM THE BUSINESS WOULD SEND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THEY'D
LOOK THROUGH THE BAG IF THEY SAW A PIECE OF MAIL OR A BOX THAT HAD THE THE RESIDENT'S ADDRESS WOULD WRITE A TICKET TO THE RESIDENT. BUT THAT'S I MEAN TO DO THAT HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TIME OVER IT JUST BECOMES
ABOUT RESOURCES. ABSOLUTELY. SO I GUESS JUST MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS WE'VE ALL BEEN IN SORT OF LIKE THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL ALLEYS
IN THE BACK BAY AND SEEN HOW SOME OF THESE RESTAURANTS CONTINUE TO HAVE OVERFLOWING TRASH BINS. I MEAN I KNOW I'VE BEEN TO THE ALLEY RALLY WHICH NABBED US
BEAUTIFUL JOB, CLEANED THE DIRTIEST COMMERCIAL ALLEY IN THE BACK BAY. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. AND SOME OF THESE COMPANIES
LIKE CONTINUE IS THERE ANY SELL FOR SORT OF RAMPING UP CERTAIN TYPES OF ENFORCEMENT OR SORT OF LIKE IF YOU'VE SORT OF GOTTEN ON A NAUGHTY LIST YOU'RE SORT OF CHECKED EVERY
SINGLE TIME? WELL, I MEAN I THINK IT BECOMES ABOUT GETTING A DIRECTION TO FIRMLY ENFORCE THEM FROM THE
CITY BECAUSE THEY IT BECOMES ABOUT A BURDEN AND A TAX THAT WE'RE ON ON ON BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO LIKE REALLY GET FIRM BUT IT BECOMES ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 17
OFFICERS THAT COVER THREE SHIFTS SO IT'S ABOUT FIVE BODIES A SHIFT THAT COVERS CITYWIDE. THEY TRY TO COVER 24 SEVEN AND IT JUST IT UNFORTUNATELY IN
THEIR WORLD IT'S NOT PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. IT'S REACTIVE TO 311 CASE ENFORCEMENT AND I'M SO GRATEFUL TO THOSE FOLKS. I WENT OUT ON A RIDE ALONG AND THEY HAD TO TAKE ME HOME BECAUSE I GOT TOO TIRED DURING
THEIR SHIFT. I COULDN'T STAY OUT THE WHOLE NIGHT AND I JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ORGANIZING THEIR LIVES A LOT OF THEM HAVE KIDS. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PASSING SHIPS IN THE NIGHT FOR THEIR SPOUSES. IT'S LIKE IT'S REALLY, REALLY
HARD WORK. SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. I KNOW THAT TODAY WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF RESIDENTS HERE TO TESTIFY AND I THINK PART
OF THAT IS THE CITY IS ENGAGING RESIDENTS ON SO MANY OTHER LEVELS AND THERE'S OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS TAKING PLACE BUT I GUESS FOR ME TOO AND FOR ME AND FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS POLICY OF SAME DAY PUT OUT AND PICK UP ONE, IT REQUIRES SOME CONTRACTUAL CHANGES AND I THINK TO IT REALLY REQUIRES CONSENSUS.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHAT KIND OF ENGAGEMENT WHAT KIND OF CONSENSUS NEED TO EXIST BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AS I'VE TALKED TO THEM ONCE I, YOU KNOW, RUN INTO
THEM IN A PUBLIC PLACE AND I'M JUST MENTIONING SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE WORKING ON. I'VE GOTTEN VERY MIXED REACTIONS WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE
HEALTH, THE SAFETY AND REALLY JUST THE SANITATION OF OUR CITY TO COME OUT BIG WITH A NEW POLICY THAT PRIORITIZES CLEANLINESS OVER AND SANITATION OVER EVERYTHING.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION'S PERSPECTIVE WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO SEE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT NEEDS TO EXIST?
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON SOME OF THAT WITH WHAT SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS AS WE ENGAGE WITH THEM IN THAT SENSE. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT I FEEL LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO TRASH THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE
CLEANLINESS OF THE STREETS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR FROM MORE FREQUENTLY AND I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE HAVING A SMALL WINDOW TO SET OUT THEIR TRASH TIME IN BAGS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY OPPOSED TO IT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER
GOING TO BE FULL CONSENSUS. SO THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF POSITIVE DECISION BASED UPON RATS AND HOW CLEAN WE WANT OUR STREETS AND AND WE ARE WE'RE STILL ONE
OF THE CLEANEST CITIES REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE NEGATIVE INCENTIVES WE
HAVE IS THAT ESSENTIALLY IF YOU'RE A RENTER AND YOU GET A TICKET, IT'S AND IT DOESN'T GET PAID YOU DON'T THERE'S REALLY NO CONSEQUENCE.
IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE A LEAN ON YOUR LANDLORD'S PROPERTY NOT THERE'S REALLY NO CONSEQUENCE TO YOU. THAT'S ONE OF THE NEGATIVE INCENTIVES I THINK I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF YOUR NAME'S ON IT
YOU MIGHT FEEL LIKE I WANT TO CLEAR MY NAME WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON BECAUSE MY NAME IS ON THIS. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO BECAUSE I THINK THIS JUST I'M A RENTER SO THIS IS NO NO, YOU
KNOW, SLANDER ON RENTERS BUT OFTENTIMES YOU'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LAST TIME YOU POTENTIALLY DON'T KNOW THE RULES OR THE NORMS OF THAT AREA .
AND I JUST I'M CURIOUS WHAT INCENTIVES WE CAN PROVIDE FOR RENTERS SPECIFICALLY AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE GOTTEN MULTIPLE PIECES OF MAIL IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN BEACON HILL TELLING ME HOW
TO DISPOSE OF MY LEAVES. I DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN SPACE AND YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON A SECOND FLOOR SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE CITY WOULD
CONSIDER DOING MAIL TO HIGH RENTAL AREAS AND HIGH RENTAL ZIP CODES RIGHT AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE NOTIFYING THEM OF THE TRASH
PREFERENCES AND NORMS OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HAVING GOTTEN A LOT OF MAIL THAT REALLY DOESN'T FEEL APPLICABLE TO ME FROM THE CITY OF BOSTON. THIS FEELS LIKE A THING THAT THE CITY COULD MARKET AND DO
AND I THINK THE MBA MARKETING IS GREAT. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE I MEAN IF WE'RE SPENDING $100 MILLION I FEEL LIKE WE COULD SPEND A CERTAIN COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS SENDING OUT MAIL TO EVERY CITY OF BOSTON RESIDENT SAYING THIS IS THE NORM FOR TRASH IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HAS THAT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED? YES. SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO THE CITY
FUNDED A ZERO WASTE TEAM WHICH IS FAIRLY FOCUSED ON EDUCATION AND EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES AND THEY'VE BEGIN THE PROCESS OF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID THE META ADS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SAT
OUTSIDE OF THE MAILS AND FLIERS WERE CONSTANTLY REFORMING THEM, RESHAPING THEM, CREATING DIFFERENT MESSAGING, FIGURING OUT HOW TWO WAYS TO TARGET GROUPS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO BECOME ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH IS NOW IS DIGITAL ADS LIKE
THROUGH LIKE FACEBOOK AND THINGS LIKE THAT TARGETED AT CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT TEAM IS GOING TO HELP A LOT WITH THEIR WE CERTAINLY CAN USE MORE RESOURCES AND DOLLARS LIKE MAILINGS ARE INCREDIBLY
EXPENSIVE INCREDIBLE LIKE WE DO THE YARD WASTE CALENDAR ANNUALLY AND I THINK IT COST US ALMOST $100,000 TO MAIL OUT A YARD WASTE CALENDAR EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SO IT'S IT'S THOSE TYPES OF RESOURCES THAT WOULD HELP.
THANK YOU AND I KNOW I'M WAY OVER BUT I NEED TO PUT ON THE RECORD HERE IF YOU ARE A DOG OWNER PLEASE DISPOSE OF YOUR DOG WASTE IN A WAY THAT HELPS
THIS ISSUE. RODENTS LOVE DOG WASTE AND YOU KNOW ALLEY HAS A FAMOUS DOG FOXY LADY AND I KNOW SHE DOES EVERYTHING THAT SHE CAN TO
DISPOSE OF THE WASTE OF HER DOG IN A FAIR WAY. WE NEED MORE DOGS GROUP DOG GROUPS IN THE CITY AND WE NEED THE CITY TO ACTUALLY INVEST IN REALLY TALKING TO DOG OWNERS
BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE AND BEACON HILL IN THE BACK BAY I MEAN MOSTLY BEACON HILL BUT BUT I DO THINK IT IT WE REALLY DO NEED TO HANDLE THAT PEOPLE LEAVING YOU KNOW DOG BAGS ALL
OVER THE SIDEWALK IS NOT HELPFUL TO THIS PROBLEM. AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY ALSO PEOPLE FEEDING BIRDS IT'S NOT HELPFUL. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD FOR ANYONE LISTENING.
THOSE ARE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I NEVER HEAR TALKED ABOUT BUT I AM IN A RECENT BEACON HILL TIMES ARTICLE AND I DID SAY THAT SO I HOPE YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR FOR LETTING ME GO OVER AND REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME TODAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DURKIN. COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE THANK YOU. I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. HAVE WE SEEN THE ROLLOUT
OF COMPOSTING IN COUNCILOR DURKAN FILED? I THINK IT'S THIS TRIO HEARING ON COMPOSTING. HAVE WE SEEN WITH LIKE I LOVE COMPOSTING BECAUSE MY KITCHEN
LIKE IT JUST IT DOESN'T THE TRASH SMELL JUST DOESN'T EXIST IN THE SAME WAY I FREEZE MY I ALSO FREEZE MY COMPOST SO THAT TO GET AT THE AT THE SMELL
ISSUES BUT HAVE WE SEEN A REDUCTION LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT SHOWS LIKE A REDUCTION IN ROAD AND ACTIVITY IN AREAS THAT ARE COMPOSTING? WE DON'T HAVE DATA.
I WOULD SAY THAT REMOVING FOOD WASTE OUT OF YOUR TRASH IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS FOR IT NOT TO BECOME A FOOD SOURCE FOR FOR RODENTS. I ALSO HAVE NOT GOTTEN A REPORT
THAT A RAT HAS GOT IN ONE OF THE CITY COMPOST BINS YET. YES BECAUSE I THINK IS SO YEAH SO THERE ARE GOOD CONTAINERS SEPARATING FOOD WASTE FROM YOUR
TRASH IS IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO TO REALLY IN PUTTING IT IN A CONTAINER THAT WE KNOW IS RODENT RESISTANT I
WOULD SAY IS IS A GOOD STEP FORWARD BUT WE DON'T HAVE DATA PER SE TO DO TO SAY WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW I THINK WHETHER THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM IS
INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL IT'S STILL JUST A 25,000 RESIDENTS CITYWIDE. SO WHEN YOU GO TO A STREET AND YOU SEE A VERY ACTIVE COMPOSTING STREET OF MAYBE 20 HOUSES, MAYBE EIGHT OF THEM IN
A GOOD WAY A COMPOSTING THE RATS CAN STILL FIND TRASH AT THE OTHER 12 HOUSES. SO YOU KNOW IT LAST IT WAS DONE ON A MASS SCALE. I DON'T THINK I THINK YOU'LL SEE IMPROVEMENTS BUT I'LL BEGIN TO SEE KIND OF MASS DATA
CHANGES IN THAT SENSE. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR IS THAT SEPARATION FOR A HOUSEHOLD OR A PERSON WHO LIVES IN AN AREA LET'S SAY LIKE IN BEACON HILL
WHERE I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE PART OF THE COMPOSTING RIGHT WHERE THEY WHERE THEY CAN'T BE PART OF THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM BUT THEY WANT A CITY LIKE WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO DO THIS OPERATION
LIKE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING THAT? WELL, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAID YOU FREEZE YOUR FOOD SCRAPS. THAT IS A GOOD ONE. YOU KNOW YOU DO DELAYING BUT THEN BUT THEN ON TRASH LIKE BUT
THEN WHEN I HAVE TO PUT IT OUT ON TRASH DAY WHAT DO I DO YOU WOULD DELAY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU TRASH SITS ON THE SIDEWALK SO YOU WOULD DO YOU PUT IT OUT THE MORNING OF YEAH
SO REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ACCESS TO FOOD IS IS THE BEST WAY AND ONE OF THE JOHNS IS 100% RIGHT LIKE THESE CONTAINERS FOOD WASTE CONTAINERS RODENTS HAVEN'T EATEN THROUGH THEM.
THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THAT IS THEY'RE SMALL ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE STORE THEM INSIDE SO PEOPLE DON'T STORE THEM OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY DURING THE WEEK THEY PUT THEM OUT ON TRASH DAY BUT THEY DON'T STORM OUTSIDE SO THE RATS CAN'T PICK AT IT
OVERNIGHT FOR HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS AND YOU'RE STORING YOUR FOOD WASTE INSIDE UNTIL TILL IT HAS TO COME OUT ON THE CURB THAT DAY. BUT FREEZING IS A IS A VERY GOOD WAY. YEAH.
I MEAN I DON'T ACTUALLY USE IT INSIDE I JUST USE THE OUTSIDE BINS SO I DON'T MY MOTHER IS ALSO COMPOSTING THEM. SHE LOVES IT AS WELL BUT THEN SHE USES THE INSIDE BIN BUT I JUST I JUST PUT IT IN BAGS AND
I FREEZE IT AND THEN PUT THAT GREEN OUT. YEAH OUTDOOR BIN MOST PEOPLE ARE KEEPING THAT INSIDE AS WELL I'M TRYING TO OH INTERESTING. YEAH MOST MOST MOST MOST OF THE
GREEN IT'S ALL YEAH YEAH OKAY I'M NOT KEEPING IT IT'S IN IN THE REGULAR TRASH TO DETER RATS YOU CAN SPRITZ IT WITH 10%
BLEACH AND THAT WILL DETER RATS FROM CHEWING ON YOUR BARRELS AND GOING AFTER DRUGS INTERNALLY. EXTERNALLY INTERNALLY ON THE OUTSIDE. YEAH. YEAH. 10% BLEACH. 10% BLEACH. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, WITH RESPECT TO COMMERCIAL
TRASH AND THAT NOT BEING WITHIN THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT, ARE THERE DO OUR TRASH FOLKS SOMETIMES HOW DO THEY HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S COMMERCIAL TRASH? LIKE WHAT IF THERE'S COMMERCIAL
TRASH THAT'S OUT ON THE SAME THE SAME TIME AS RESIDENTIAL TRASH? WILL THEY PICK THAT UP? I THINK IT COULD HAPPEN ON OCCASION BUT THESE GUYS THAT DO THE TRASH ROUTES KNEW THE
ROUTES THEY THEY KNOW THE HABITS THEY CAN SEE IT. MOST OF COMMERCIAL TRASH IS SET OUT IN A CONTAINER WHETHER IT BE A DUMPSTER, TWO YARD SMALL OR TWO YARD DUMPSTER OR BRANDED COMMERCIAL TOTES. SO THEY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BY
DOING THE ROUTE EVERY DAY THEY FIGURE IT OUT. I THINK YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PICK UP HERE AND THERE BUT VERY UNLIKELY BUT THEY'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT. THE GUYS IN ARE WE SEEING ANY
DETERRENT EFFECTS ON THE YOU KNOW WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DUMPSTER WORK ON SORT OF ABSENTEE LANDLORDS BY ISSUING FINES FOR OVERFLOWING DUMPSTERS.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY LIKE OR WHAT WILL THAT WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO I MEAN WOULD THEY BE AN EFFECTIVE DETERRENT? WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN OUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS WALKING AND WE CERTAINLY SEE IMPACTS WHEN WE WHEN WE TARGET AREAS AND WE
FIGURE OUT WHEN WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEET AND WE DO THIS WEEKLY WE LIKE WHERE WE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO TARGET CERTAIN REALLY PROBLEM PROPERTIES AND WE DO SEE MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO GET THE LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED
ESPECIALLY WITH COMMERCIAL TRASH LIKE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I THINK BOSTON IS UNIQUE TO ALMOST ANY CITY IN THIS COUNTRY IS MOST
CITIES IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL BUT MOST OF THEM ARE OVER FOUR UNITS. THEY TREAT ANYTHING OVER FOUR UNITS AS COMMERCIAL TRASH. CITIES WON'T SERVICE THEM.
THEY ALLOW THEM IF THEY REQUIRE THEM TO GET PRIVATE SERVICE WHICH ALLOWS THEM MORE FREQUENT PICK UPS WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO CONTAINERIZED AND HAVE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE FULLY CONTAINERIZED MORE WE BASICALLY
SERVICE EVERY BUILDING AND IT'S BASICALLY HAS TO BE SERVICE THAT A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL WITH A RESIDENTIAL TRUCK WHICH AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN YOU GO INTO THESE PLACES AND THE LIDS ARE BROKEN AND EVERYTHING'S
DISARRAY AND A LOT IT'S THE WAY WE CLASSIFY OUR BIG BUILDINGS IS BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THEM SERVICE AND PICK UP THE COST OF SERVICE. WE ARE ALMOST UNIQUE IN THIS COUNTRY IN DOING THAT. ANOTHER WAY WE CAN TELL THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL TRASH THE SITE CLEANLINESS PROGRAM. WE REQUIRE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A SITE CLEANLINESS SO THAT REQUIRES A COMMERCIAL PICKUP.
THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE CONTRACT SO THEY WOULDN'T PUT IT OUT WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING FOR A COMMERCIAL TRASH FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL. WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT
WE DO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING? I THINK IT SHOULD I THINK IT SHOULD BE I THINK IT SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BIG POLICY CHANGE THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THAT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACTS OF THAT BUT I THINK
IT SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE AS TO HOW WE REDUCE THE CITY'S COST OF TRASH. I MEAN WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE SERVICE A 500 BRAND NEW UNIT BUILDING THAT WE CAN'T EVEN POSSIBLY
SERVICE SO WE WILL TELL THEM WE CAN PROVIDE YOU SERVICE IN THE DAYS WE SERVICE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO NEED ANOTHER DAYS OF PRIVATE SERVICE ON TOP OF IT. BUT WE'RE PICKING UP COSTS FOR
THAT BUILDING IS PROBABLY OWNED BY I MEAN PROBABLY A HEDGE FUND OR A NATIONAL AND WE'RE PICKING UP THE COST OF THOSE. WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD AGAIN FOR PICKUP FOR US WE PICK UP WE PICK UP ANYTHING RIGHT NOW AS
LONG AS YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE CURB SO YOU KNOW WE WON'T GO BEHIND YOUR BUILDING AND SERVICE A DUMPSTER. WE STILL HAVE OLD ONES THAT WE'VE GRANDFATHERED IN UNDER THEIR PROGRAM CERTAINLY. BUT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT TO THE CURB.
SO IF I WERE TO NEED A BUILDING OPENED UP AND THEY SAID WE CAN ROLL OUR SIX YARDS TO THE CURB EVERY TUESDAY AND THURSDAY WE'RE GOING TO PICK YOU UP. OTHER CITIES HAVE DEVELOPED THOSE THRESHOLDS. IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY CITY
HOW THEY DEVELOP THOSE TRASH WILL SOME OF THEM HAVE TO GO 100% PRIVATE, SOME OF THEM GET DIFFERENT SERVICE, SOME OF THEM DID LIKE SOME OF THEM HAVE, SOME OF THEM SOME OF THE CITIES HAVE A COMMERCIAL CONTRACT TO
SERVICE THEM BUT THEN THEY CHARGE FOR IT. THEY CHARGE THE BUILDINGS FOR IT RIGHT. SO THERE'S JUST SO MANY MODELS OUT THERE. BUT WHY WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? THERE'S SO MANY MODELS OUT
THERE BUT I'LL SAY WHERE WE ARE UNIQUE WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WILL SERVICE YOU AT NO COST AS LONG AS YOU CAN COMPLY WITH OUR GUIDELINES WE WILL SERVE YOU. WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO THAT.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PROBLEM BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THINK YOU MEAN IF I'M THINKING OUT LOUD BUT LIKE THE THING ABOUT APN WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WALKS AND TRY TO HOLD
THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT A PAN AND HIGH PARK FOR JUST THEIR BLATANT YOU KNOW AND I HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE MY BEST FRIEND LIVES ON TENNIS ROAD AND THEY OWN A PROPERTY RIGHT AT THE END OF IT AND IT'S BAD IT'S BAD THEY CHANGE MANAGEMENT I THINK EVERY EIGHT MONTHS.
YES. AND IF WE WERE TO JUST IF WE ASSUMED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DOING I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I'M THINKING A LOT OF DOING ALL
OF THE RESIDENTIAL TRASH PICKUP EVEN FOR LARGE BUILDINGS BUT THEN CHARGED THEM COULD THAT BE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, I'M SAYING THERE ARE CITIES THAT USE THAT MODEL. YES.
NOT LIKE SOME CITIES JUST TOTALLY SAY NO, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR OWN PRIVATE TRASH PICKUP SOME OF THEM MANAGE THE PROGRAM BUT THEN CHARGE BACK FOR IT BECAUSE I MEAN THE US MANAGING AND
DOING IT ALL COULD THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS IMPORTANT. JUST SHOUT OUT TO JOHN BLACKMORE INCREDIBLE. HE'S DONE GREAT WORK WITH OUR OFFICE BUT IT KIND OF GETS AT
REMOVES THAT LAYER IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT DIRECTLY AND THEN CHARGE THEM AND THEY PAY BUT I KNOW THAT PROBABLY LIKE A GIGANTIC TASK BUT IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A BIG I MEAN THE
CITY WOULD HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT OVERSAW MANAGE IT. THERE'D BE A YOU KNOW, BILLING COMPONENT TO THAT AND AND THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY AND AND LIKE PROBABLY A TRIPLING OF THE OF THE OF THE CURRENT CAPACITY
I IMAGINE. YEAH BUT PROBABLY WOULD LEAD TO CLEANER CLEANER STREETS MORE EFFICIENCY AND I THINK THIS IS SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE
TRYING TO COLLECT FROM THE DIFFERENT MODELS THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM PIERCE CITY. SO YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE JUST DISCUSSING HERE IS KIND OF WHAT'S BEING DONE IN TORONTO. SO A LOT OF FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
AND ALSO INTERNATIONALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION BUT WHERE I HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING MODEL RIGHT AND RATHER IN THOSE SQUARE BY THE BRIDGE STREET PLAZA THERE'S LIKE A TON OF BUSINESSES ON BRIDGE THAT ARE LIKE IN THE
MIDDLE OF BRIDGE STREET CORNER STREET FOR THE ROSEVILLE VILLAGE MARKET IS ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES THEY USE THE DUMPSTERS BEHIND THEIR BUSINESSES. SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF GO IF YOU'RE THE TRASH TRUCK YOU HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THE VILLAGE MARKET PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU GO THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE STREET THERE AND THAT'S WHERE THEY PICK IT UP. BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE TO DUMP THEIR TRASH IN THERE.
IS THAT A CITY PICKUP? IS THAT LOCATION SET BY THE CITY OR WAS THAT ORGANIZED BY THE BUSINESS? SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALL PRIVATE COMMERCIAL COLLECTION THAT'S NOT OVERSEEN BY THE CITY.
WE DON'T MATCH STATE LAW STIPULATES THAT WE CAN REGULATE HOW THEY PUT IT OUT, WHERE THEY PUT IT OUT AND WHAT TIME THEY PUT IT OUT. YEAH, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ESPECIALLY DO THEY
HAVE THEIR OWN KIND OF GUIDELINES SET BY THE STATE THAT THEY FOLLOW? SO THAT'S A THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONE. OKAY. I DID SOME THIS IS NEW APARTMENTS THEY ARE NOT THAT NEW THE ONES OVER THE HIGHWAY STORE I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY
DISPOSE OF THEIR TRASH. THAT'S A LITTLE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM. YEAH PROBABLY OUT BUT BUT YEAH MOST OF THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONE THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T REGULATE OR GO INTO AT ALL.
OKAY I JUST BUT BUT BUT WE ENFORCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IF IT'S IF IT'S A MESS AND IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT WE ENFORCE IT THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW AND I, I ONLY BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD MODEL
OF HOW THE TRASH IS MITIGATED. THEY'RE LIKE YEAH, I DON'T GET ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT AND THERE'S A KID YOU KNOW, MAYBE OVER TWO DOZEN BUSINESSES JUST IN THAT PARAMETER. MY NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH AND IT
JUST IT'S CLEAN. THERE'S ONE FOR TRASH AND ONE FOR FOR RECYCLING AND IT'S JUST IT'S DONE WAS I WAS CURIOUS LIKE CAN WE REPLICATE THAT MODEL ELSEWHERE? OKAY, SO IT'S IT'S A STRICTLY
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT RIGHT THERE . AND THEN MY FAVORITE ONE AND AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER COMMERCIAL LOCATION IS THE MATTAPAN SQUARE LOCATION OF THE THE T-MOBILE THE TARGET STORE
BETWEEN THE AMERICAN FOOD BASKET AND T-MOBILE. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THOSE THE LANDLORDS THAT JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT IF THERE'S AN OVERLOAD
OF TRASH IN THERE OVER AND THERE'S JUST AN OVERFILL OF TRASH OUT CONSISTENTLY? YEAH I MEAN CERTAINLY YOU AND I HAVE BEEN OUT OF THAT SITE BEFORE AND WALKED I MEAN IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM WEEKLY IT'S IT'S
AN ILLEGAL DUMPING ZONE IT'S IT'S LITERALLY VERY ACCESSIBLE TO A CAR PULLING UP AND JUST OFF LOADING AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WE HAVE CERTAINLY CAUSED BECAUSE RESIDENTS FROM OUT OF TOWN THERE COME IN AND DUMP IN TOWN OTHER BUSINESSES.
IT'S JUST SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE RESIDENT THERE OF LIKE THE BUSINESSES ABOUT TRYING TO SET UP A CAMERA SYSTEM. WE PUT UP ILLEGAL DUMPING SIGNS AND FIND SIGNS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. I MEAN WE WORK IF IF IF THE
VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEM IS ABLE TO PICK UP SOMEBODY'S DUMPING WITH THE LICENSE PLATE WE RIGHT THE VIOLATION TO THE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DUMPING FOR THE BUSINESSES THEMSELVES WE WRITE THEM VIOLATIONS FOR THE
OVERLOADED UNLOADING DUMPING IT BECOMES A COLLECTION ISSUE WHICH IS NOT US. IT'S ON THE TREASURY SIDE OF THINGS ABOUT COLLECTING THESE FINES AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE
PROBLEM PROPERTIES LIKE INTERNALLY LIKE LIKE PROBLEM PROPERTIES IS A TASK FORCE NIST THAT DEALS WITH THESE ISSUES. I'D LOVE TO SEE A PROBLEM PROPERTIES TRASH TASK FORCE AT SOME POINT WHICH HAS BEEN
RECOMMENDED BY ON SOME REPORTS FOR SOMETHING TO DO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE SOME TYPE OF TASK FORCE THAT ATTACKS THOSE MEASURES ON EVEN BUSINESSES RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH BECAUSE WE ARE
ENFORCING THEM CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS LIKE WHAT OUR PROBLEM PROBABLY IS JUST FOR TRASH PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION AND IT JUST IT'S SO FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THE LANDLORD OF THAT BUILDING IS THEN ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK
THE SAME WAY HE APPLIED FOR A LADY BILLBOARD UP THERE. I WAS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO DO STUFF IN THE THAT IT WASN'T UNTIL YOU EITHER PAY ALL THE FINES AND THEN FIX
THE ISSUE OR LIKE OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET PERMITS MONEY YEAH IT IS I MEAN TO SAY A DOZEN IS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF DOZEN OF PROPERTIES JUST LIKE THAT THAT THEY'RE JUST A WEEKLY ISSUE.
IT'S CONSTANT AND NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, NO MATTER WHAT IT'S STILL REMAINS AN ISSUE. YEAH SO SO WE'LL BE I THINK YOU KIND OF LIKE SET UP A LIGHT
BULB AND WHEN YOU SAID A BROWN PROPERTY TASK FORCE FOR TRASH THAT WOULD BE A HUGE HELP FOR US. OKAY, THAT WAS IT FOR ME. A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ANSWER A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO KNOW WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC
TESTIMONY SO I'M GOING TO WRAP UP THE Q&A PORTION OF THIS AND THEN DO PAUL TESTIMONY AND THEN WE COULD DO SOME CLOSING REMARKS. OKAY. SO WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED,
PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE FROM AND. THEN YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. THE FIRST NAME I SEE ON HERE IS
PAUL O'CONNOR. THANKS FOR HAVING THIS MEETING. I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO COME OUT HERE JUST AS A LITTLE BIT
OF INFORMATION AND MAYBE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. I'M FROM THE BACK BAY AND I PARKED MY CAR NEAR THE OF DARTMOUTH STREET ON PUBLIC ALLEY 218.
IT'S LIKE A SUPERHIGHWAY FOR RATS. IT'S HORRIBLE EVERY TIME AND MY CAR HAS BEEN ATTACKED AT LEAST
FOUR TIMES THREE TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR IT'S $5,000 PER EVENT TO HAVE THE MECHANICS LIFT THE ENGINE OUT OF THE CAR, MAKE A
VERY MINOR REPAIR FOR THE RATS HAVE CHEWED THROUGH AND THEN PLACE IT BACK. SOMETIMES INSURANCE COVERS SOMETIMES INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER.
I SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH ONE OF YOUR WITH COUNCILOR DURKIN'S OFFICE WORKERS. I'M NOT SURE WHO WAS SPEAKING
TO AND IT'S BECOMING UNSUSTAINABLE. I MEAN THAT IF I IF THAT HAPPENS TO ME THREE TIMES A YEAR THAT'S $15,000 SOMETIMES INSURANCE WILL COVER IT, SOMETIMES IT WON'T.
SO TO ME I HEAR ALL OF THE COMPLEXITY AROUND DEALING WITH THIS SITUATION. BUT IF THE ANSWER REALLY IS TO GET TO CONTAINERIZED VERSION,
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP RATS FROM GETTING TO A FOOD SOURCE. THEN LET'S GET THERE IF THAT MEANS YOU KNOW, GIVING UP THREE
OR FOUR PARKING SPACES ON THE STREET JUST TO HAVE PERMANENT DUMPSTERS OF SOME SORT LET'S DO IT. THE OTHER IMPLICATION AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THESE CAR PROBLEMS HAVE YOU HEARD
OF THESE KIND OF CAR BOMBS? MY NEIGHBOR WHO PARKS NEXT TO ME. OH, IT JUST SO HAPPENS I HAD JURY DUTY TODAY SO I COULD COME DOWN. SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD THAT I'M HERE. IT WAS CANCELED BUT MY NEIGHBOR
HAD WHO GOES AWAY FOR, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO AT A TIME CAME BACK AND HAD THE FUEL PUMP EATEN INTO BY RATS.
SO IT ACTUALLY AND I WAS THERE WITH HIM YOU COULD SMELL VERY STRONGLY THE THE SMELL OF GASOLINE SO THAT COULD HAVE GONE UP. SO IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. AND SO MY POINT IS REALLY IF
THE ANSWER IS CONTAINERIZATION WHICH I THINK IT IS BECAUSE THE TRASH BAGS JUST DON'T PREVENT
THE RATS I'VE SEEN BROKEN TRASH BAGS. THE ONE CULPRIT ALSO THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION YET IS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIP THE BAGS OPEN
AND REMOVE CANS AND THEN THAT EVEN MAKES IT EASIER FOR RATS. THAT'S GOT TO BE DEALT WITH. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M OUT OF TIME BUT I CAME DOWN HERE TO
THIS COMMITTEE MEETING AND SAT FOR 2 HOURS AND WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A NEAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SPEED. YOU KNOW, I GO OUT TO MY CAR, NEIGHBORS GO OUT TO THEIR CARS
,THEY WON'T START YOU KNOW YOUR DAY IS RUINED. SO THERE'S A NEED FOR SPEED ON THIS. ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE RAMP WHAT IS IT
PREP IS GREAT BUT LET'S GET TO SOME SOLUTIONS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TIME TO WAIT TO SOLVE
THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, PAUL. OKAY, MISS FOLEY. OH. OH, WHAT'S WHAT'S ANY ONE
PERSON GOOD GOOD AT ALMOST AFTERNOON ONE HELLO LUKE, JOHN AND JOHN AND DENNIS ROACH THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL SUPPORT. IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND TO SHARON AS WELL FOR BRINGING THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC TO THE FORUM AS I WAS COMING HERE LATE I WAS TRYING TO WRITE
DOWN SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLORE AND TRYING TO PARTNER WITH YOU FOLKS ON SOME IDEAS THIS IS REALLY A HARD PROBLEM TO SOLVE SO THERE ARE
NO EXACT RIGHT ANSWERS BUT I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE HEADING IN SOME OF THE GOOD DIRECTIONS. WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY YOU KNOW, SHARON HAD INQUIRED ABOUT MAYBE SOME EDUCATION MATERIALS
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE PROBLEMATIC WITH MAIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A LIST OF ALL THE LANDLORDS IN THE CITY AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY SAYING YOU
CAN ELECTRONICALLY COMMUNICATE TO THESE INDIVIDUALS ON A REGULAR CADENCE TO COMMUNICATE IN HOT SPOTS OR SOME OF THE AWARENESS ISSUES AROUND THE
WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAG WHICH SEEMS TO BE VERY PROBLEMATIC. I HAVE VIDEO WHERE I HAVE RATS THAT ATTACK THE WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAG FASTER AND MORE
STEADILY AS OPPOSED TO THE BLACK CONTRACT BAG THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS A 0.9 MIL THICKNESS BAG. IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S SLOWS THE
CHEW RATE DOWN. IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I CALL IT . SO AND I DIDN'T INTRODUCE MYSELF IN THE BEGINNING BUT I DID RUN THE BLOCK CAPTAIN PROGRAM IN BACK BAY AND YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN HEARING SOME OF THE SUCCESS STORIES WE HAD
WITH TRASH TALK SUNDAYS WHICH WERE EXPANDING THAT PROGRAM. WE STARTED IN PUBLIC ALLEY 414 ON BEACON AND MARLBOROUGH STREET AREA AND HEREFORD THAT
AREA AND WE HAD ABOUT 70 PARTICIPANTS OVER THREE SUNDAYS AND THE AREA WAS LOOKING VERY WELL UNTIL SHARON NOTED COLLEGE STUDENTS HAVE MOVED BACK IN AND
THIS PAST WEEK I GOT SOME HORRIFIC PICTURES SO THAT HAS DEFINITELY HAMPERED A LITTLE BIT BUT WE WERE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS THERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK.
BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS I A SIMPLE THINK MAYBE INCORPORATING A WHITE THE WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAG ARE FINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BAG JUST AS SIMPLY AS YOU REQUIRE PEOPLE
TO PUT TRASH INTO TRASH BINS. I WOULD TAKE THE WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAG AND PLACE IT INSIDE OR MAKE A REQUIREMENT TO BE PLACED INSIDE OF A BLACK CONTRACTOR BAG. IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A
TEMPORARY CONTAINERS AND YOU SHOULDN'T IN MY IN MY OPINION BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU'RE FEEDING THE RATS FOR UP TO 18 TO 22 HOURS ON A DAY WHERE THEY DON'T PICK UP THE TRASH IN BACK
BAY UNTIL TWO OR 3 P.M.. THAT TRASH HAS BEEN OUT FROM THE PRIOR DAY AT 5 P.M. SO IT'S LITERALLY 22 HOURS. THE STORAGE BINS ARE A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK MAC AND BONNER HAD SOME SAMPLES FROM NEW YORK CITY A REALLY INTERESTING ANTIQUE BIN THAT LOOKED REALLY SMALL AND COMPACT THAT COULD GO MAYBE ON A CURB AND MAYBE WE CAN PILOT THAT.
ANOTHER PILOT IDEA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IS MAYBE WE PILOT A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MAYBE LEVERAGING THE HOCKEY PROGRAM AND MAYBE THE HOKIES COME AT A
PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY PUT THE WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAGS INSIDE BLACK CAT BLACK TRASH COMPACTOR BAGS. RIGHT. AND MAYBE WE CAN MEASURE AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY LESS RAT
ACTIVITY IN THE AREA AND MAYBE THE HOAGIE PROGRAM COULD HELP LEVERAGE YOU KNOW, JUST ON TO ON THE NIGHTS THE TRASH PICKED PUT OUT THAT THEY GO AROUND AND THEY HELP BRING YOU KNOW, ALL
THOSE BAGS IN THERE. WE DID THAT AT THE TRASH TALK SUNDAYS AND IT WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN PUTTING THE WHITE KITCHEN TRASH BAG INSIDE OF THOSE BAGS.
BUT AND THEN JUST THE AND THE NAMES OF THE LANDLORDS OR THE COMMUNICATIONS, YOU KNOW, CHANNELS NEED TO BE OPENED UP WITH THOSE ENTITIES. I ALSO LIKE YOUR IDEA OR YOUR
YOUR THINKING. DENNIS I KNOW FAIRFIELD REALTY IN BACK BAY DOES A GOOD JOB OF PICKING UP ALL OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL TRASH.
I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEIR BUILDINGS THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR RESIDENTS PUT THEIR TRASH OUT ON THE STREET. THEY COME AROUND IN A TRUCK EVERY PICK UP DAY AND I'M THINKING MAYBE THAT COULD BE A
REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE EIGHT UNITS AND ABOVE THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL. SO I THANK YOU ALL. IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT TO THE FORUM AND YOU KNOW ANYBODY HAS
ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME AT THE BLOCK CAPTAIN PROGRAM AND BACK BAY AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE TRASH TALK SUNDAY SERIES COME BY 5 TO 8.
WE'RE EXPANDING THE PROGRAM IN THE MIDDLE PARTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING WEEKS ON SUNDAYS. SO YOU KNOW, COME AND LEARN WE TALK A LOT ABOUT IN THOSE PROGRAMS JUST SO YOU KNOW WE
TALK ABOUT CONTAINERIZATION, COMPOSTING OPTIONS WHICH I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A COMPOST LOCATION SOON IN BACK BAY AND PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON THAT BUT WE TALK
ABOUT HOW TO SEPARATE YOUR FOOD WASTE SEPARATE FROM THE REGULAR TRASH. WE TALK ABOUT PROPER TRASH YOU KNOW, STORAGE OPTIONS SO AND
PROMOTING CONTAINERIZATION SO THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DO TALK ABOUT AT THE TABLE AND WE RECOMMEND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS DO THE SAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.
I KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE VIRTUALLY THAT TRICIA YES.
HEY, HEIDI, CAN YOU HEAR US? LET'S MAKE SURE SHE MUTE HERSELF. YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS HEIDI NICHOLS BALDACCI. I LIVE AT ONE PRIME RESERVE NUMBER ONE IN BEACON HILL.
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR DURKAN AND HER TEAM FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I AM SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS
PROPOSAL BECAUSE THE RAT POPULATION IN MY AREA OF BEACON HILL IS PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
MY CONDO ASSOCIATION MYSELF WE HAVE OPTIMIZED THE EFFORTS OF THE EXTERMINATOR.
WE HAVE PAT MCDONOUGH WHO IS FROM ESD ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES ON RAT ABATEMENT. HE HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS SUPPORT. BIG SHOUT OUT TO PAT.
PAT IS EVEN COMING TOMORROW MORNING TO PUT CO2 IN OUR RAT HOLES IN OUR SMALL GARDEN IN A PRIME HAVE WE WERE ABLE TO
IDENTIFY FOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT HOLES FOR RATS? PERSONALLY I BUY BLEACH BECAUSE SO MUCH RAT EXCREMENT ON PRIMA SAV.
PEOPLE WALKING INTO IT AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WE HAVE OPTIMIZED OUR EFFORTS IN WE'RE STILL LOSING THE BATTLE. MY HUSBAND WAS WATERING THE
OTHER DAY AND A RAT WALKED RIGHT UP TO HIS FEET. SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL AND ANY OTHER EFFORTS THAT WE CAN MAKE BECAUSE WE'RE
WE'RE LOSING RIGHT NOW AND I JUST HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT. SEPTEMBER 1ST IS ALWAYS A DIFFICULT TIME IN OUR AREA. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE CITY REALLY DID I WOULD SAY THIS IS
THE BEST OF 18 YEARS THAT THEY DID IN GETTING THE TRASH OFF THE STREETS. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT TESTIMONY AND I THINK THE CITY
WOULD APPRECIATE THAT COMPLIMENT. YES. SO THAT'S VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT PROVIDED A PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WE'RE GOING TO NOW HEAD TO JUST CLOSING STATEMENTS. I'LL ALLOW MY COLLEAGUES TO DO A CLOSING STATEMENT FIRST AND THEN LB. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE PANEL AND ALSO JUST WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT OCTOBER 16TH MEETING THAT'S COMING UP. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE CONSTITUENTS TESTIFY. I THINK IT IS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM
BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IF IT'S I HAVE A LOT OF WORKING FAMILIES, DOCTORS WHO LIVE IN MY DISTRICT THAT FOR THEM TO
GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING SOMETIMES IS REALLY DIFFICULT AFTER YOU'VE WORKED A LATE NIGHT SHIFT. SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WE CAN'T GET THIS DONE.
WE CAN'T MOVE QUICKLY UNLESS WE INCLUDE EVERYONE. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT FIGHTING THE POPULATION. I THINK IT LIKE FOR ME ON TRASH
DAY I HAVE TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET BECAUSE AND I HAVE TO WEAR CLOSE TOED SHOES AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE OUR LIVES DIFFERENTLY ON TRASH DAY BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS ON THE NORTH
OF BEACON HILL AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW IT IS IN A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. I ALSO JUST WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE THIS IS CLEARLY THERE'S A DIFFERENT
NUANCE TO THIS IN EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I APPRECIATE THAT MY SOLUTION MIGHT NOT BE EVERYONE'S SOLUTION BUT BUT I DO THINK IN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN
CONTAINERIZED YOUR TRASH BEING ABLE TO PUT IT OUT AT 5 P.M. MAKES SENSE IN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN'T. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION SO THAT OUR TRASH IS ON THE STREETS FOR LESS TIME AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO
TAKE SOME POLITICAL MUSCLE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE US ACTUALLY YOU KNOW AND ALSO I THINK SOME OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WE HEARD TODAY AROUND WHAT OTHER CITIES
ARE DOING AND ACTUALLY CAPPING HOW MUCH WASTE YOU CAN PUT ON THE STREET WOULD IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE IN A REALLY POSITIVE WAY. I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE CERTAIN ALLOWANCES FOR OKAY,
EVERYONE'S MOVING SO THESE TWO DAYS ARE DIFFERENT BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR ENTIRE APARTMENT ON THE SIDEWALK AND IT IMPACTS EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE
CITY. AND SO ANYWAYS I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY FRUITFUL CONVERSATION. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COLLEAGUES THAT JOINED AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR AND HIS TEAM. THEY DID A GREAT JOB WORKING
WITH MY TEAM ON THIS HEARING SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK THE SPONSOR FOR
IN FOR HER WORK ON THIS ISSUE. I WANT TO THANK ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING HERE AND THE RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY I YOU KNOW ,WHEN THE WHEN WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WAS SPEAKING ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS CAR, I HAD TO CHECK MY INBOX. I RECENTLY HEARD THAT SAME EXACT STORY FROM SOMEONE SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE SPOKEN BUT SOMEONE TOLD ME THEY HAD A THEY
HAD RODENTS THROUGH THROUGH THEIR CAR AND INSURANCE COVERED IT THE FIRST TIME BUT THEN WOULDN'T COVER IT THE SECOND TIME. AND SO IT'S JUST IT GIVES WAY TO SORT OF THE IMPORTANCE
OF ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE AS YOU ALL ARE GREAT AND I'VE WORKED WITH YOU ALL BEFORE WE WERE DOING HEARINGS ON THIS AND SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION AND SO THAT'S MY CLOSING.
BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST AS I'M CLEAR IF YOU WERE ABLE TO CONTAINERIZED I LIVE IN HYDE PARK I DO USE THOSE WHITE TRASH BINS SO I'M TRYING TO GET THIS RIGHT. THOSE WHITE TRASH BAGS I TAKE
THOSE WHITE TRASH BAGS AND I PUT THEM IN MY TRASH OUTSIDE. SHOULD I BE USING THE STICKER BAG IF I AM ABLE TO CONTAIN A RISE? NO. THE WHITE BALANCE.
YEAH, THE WHITE BAGS SUFFICIENT. IT'S INSIDE THE CONTAINER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO . THANK YOU. GOOD BALANCE. IF YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS
THE FIRST I CAN START MAYBE YEAH I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, START BY SAYING THANK YOU NOT ONLY TO THE COUNCIL BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE TESTIFYING. I THINK YOU KNOW THIS PROCESS HAS GIVEN US A LOT OF GREAT
FEEDBACK AND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE WILLING AND HOPING FOR US TO CHANGE WHAT WE PRESENTED TODAY IS JUST ONE ASPECT OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MITIGATE RATS. AS JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER IN
THE PRESENTATION, THE GOAL OF THE BOSTON ROAD ACTION PLAN IS TO DRIVE DOWN ROAD CONNECTIVITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ACROSS THE CITY AND REALLY TRY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS. WE'RE DOING THAT IN A VARIETY
OF WAYS AND ALSO TRYING TO COLLECT DATA AND DEPLOY DIFFERENT RODENT MITIGATION TECHNOLOGIES WITH SEWER TRAPS IN THE BACK BAY IN THE NORTH AND SURFACE TRAPS IN SOUTH
BOSTON IN CHINATOWN. WE ARE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE $100,000 WE GOT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO HELP INSTALL MORE RODENT RESISTANT TRASH CANS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE IN ALL OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH WORKING WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING
OUR DATA ANALYTICS COLLEAGUES, OUR FOLKS AT PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING AN IMPACT ACROSS THE CITY. SO WE'RE REALLY GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS IN RESEARCH THAT WE'RE
DOING TODAY. BUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'LL CONTINUE WORK WITH COMMUNITY, CONTINUE TO DO RESEARCH AND THEN AGAIN ANALYZE ANY OF THOSE POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS BASED ON THE
OPERATIONAL AND FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF ANY SOLUTION WE WANT TO PROPOSE. BUT WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND AS ALWAYS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN BE OF ASSISTANCE, JUST PLEASE REACH OUT TO US AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP.
AND I'LL JUST ADD, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALLIE FOR HER TESTIMONY HERE SHE WAS THE INSPIRATION FOR KIND OF THE WHITE BAGS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EARLIER SHE WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION AND HOW HER WORK AS A
BLOCK CAPTAIN AND HOW SHE SPREAD THAT MESSAGE THROUGHOUT THE BACK BAY. IT'S INSPIRED ME WHEN I'M OUT THERE TALKING IN GROUPS AND IN ALERTING TO WHAT SHE'S TOLD ME ABOUT THOSE IMPACTS THAT SHE EXPRESSED TO US IN HER
TESTIMONY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK A LOT OF IT BECOMES ABOUT FOCUS AND RESOURCES I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, THE CITY TAKEN SOME TIME AND WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE THAT
THANKS TO YOU GUYS IN BUDGET APPROVAL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THAT'S ADDED A POLICY PLANNING POSITION OF THE TRASH UNIT AND ZERO WASTE COORDINATORS THAT HELP US WITH EDUCATION OUTREACH. THOSE THINGS MATTER LIKE ALL
THAT STUFF MATTERS INTERNALLY PEOPLE DOING THAT WORK FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS MY TEAM AND THEY'RE STILL VERY MUCH FOCUSED ABOUT SERVICING 70,000 HOUSEHOLDS A DAY SO
DOING A LOT OF FORWARD THOUGHT WAS NEVER REALLY PART OF THE PLAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS DUE TO LIKE THE APPROVALS OF SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. SO THOSE MATTER AS WE LOOK AT TRASH CONTRACT, MORE RESOURCES
MATTER THERE AS WELL AS WE IMPLEMENT POLICY CHANGES. THOSE MATTER AS WELL AS WE LOOK AT THINGS MAYBE MAYBE WE ARE CHARGING SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE TO GENERATE SOME OFFSETTING REVENUE SO WE CAN DO
TRASH BETTER IN OTHER AREAS. I THINK ALL THAT STUFF MATTERS SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US TODAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU GO WITH WHAT LUKE AND DENNIS SAID.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SHIFT FROM A REACTIVE TO A PROACTIVE APPROACH. WE CANNOT LETHAL CONTROL IS THE LEAST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEAL
WITH RODENTS. WE HAVE TO ATTACK THE ROOT CAUSES AND WE KNOW THAT TRASH IS THE MAIN DRIVER. IT'S THE MAIN FOOD SOURCE FOR POOR RATS.
WE ALSO NEED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE CAN'T ENFORCE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. SO THE WORK THAT ALLEY IS DOING AND TRYING TO REPLICATE THAT
ACROSS THE CITY WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS ENGAGING, GETTING NEIGHBORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO TALK TOGETHER. ONE HOUSE ON A BLOCK CAN AFFECT
,YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER HOUSE THAT IS DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO ENCOURAGING THAT WORK, SHIFTING TO A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH AND ALSO COLLECTING
REAL DATA. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HAD REAL DATA ON RURAL POPULATION SO LOOKING TO MEASURABLY REDUCE THAT IS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND FOR THIS SHARING. THANK YOU. AND I'M ALSO JUST VERY GRATEFUL TO THE THREE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY JUST ADVOCATES FOR
THE CONTINUOUS WORK THAT YOU ALL DO TO ALL OF OUR OFFICES ARE AND WILL GET A LOT OF REQUESTS ABOUT TRASH PICKUP BUT I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO OUR SANITATION WORKERS THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB AND I KNOW THAT WITHOUT THEM OUR CITY WOULD SMELL AND LOOK VERY DIFFERENTLY. SO I'M JUST VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THEY DO. BUT I KNOW THAT YOUR TEAMS ARE
DOING A GREAT JOB AND I MEAN WE ALWAYS STRIVE FOR GREATNESS HERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON SO THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. SO WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT SOLUTION WITH YOU ALL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TODAY'S HEARING. THIS STOCK THIS DOCKET IS HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1448
IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU