Good morning. Thank you all for joining. We'll give just a moment to clear the waiting room. As a reminder, when you are entering from the waiting room, please do remain on mute unless or until you are providing testimony before the board. Good morning. This is a hearing before
the licensing board for the city of Boston. Today is Tuesday, November 18th, 2025. Today's hearing is being held pursuant to temporary amendments to the open meeting law. That is what allows us to meet virtually. Today's hearing is being recorded and will be posted to the city of Boston's website. Before I review
procedural matters, I will introduce chairwoman of the board, Kathleen Joyce. >> Good morning. My name is Kathleen Joyce, chair of the Boston Licensing Board. Today, I'm pleased to be joined by Commissioner Liam Curran and Commissioner Kiana Saxon. >> Thank you very much. Please ensure that
your audio and visuals are working properly if you will be providing testimony before the board this morning. I will call each item in the order that it appears on this morning's agenda. I will then ask who is present on behalf of the Lency. who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department and whether there are any other individuals
with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify. I will then swear in all parties. After that, the police report will be read into the record and the Lency or the representative will have the opportunity to make a brief statement followed by questions by the chair and commissioners.
All testimony will be limited only to those individuals with firsthand personal knowledge of the alleged incident. We'll begin with the first item on this morning's agenda. Calling item number one, K&G Entertainment LLC, doing business as sidebar, located at 14 to 16 Bramfield Street. Date of the
incident, August 17th, 2025. Assault and battery, staff versus patron, in violation of Mass General Law, chapter 138, section 64, and chapter 265, section 13A. Who is present on behalf of the Lency? >> Hi, my name is Lelay Ununice. I'm the manager. And then Lonnie Fawn is also on
here. She's the owner. Great. Thank you very much. I do see both of you on the screen. Thanks for being with us. Who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department? >> I am Boston Police Officer W Burill. I'm representation of BOS behalf of Boston Police Department from out of A7.
>> Great. Thank you very much. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning? Can y'all please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell uh Miss Fawn if you could raise your right hand as well? Thank you. Do you swear to tell the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Great. Thank you, officer. You as well? >> I do. >> Thank you very much. Uh, Officer Robas, if you could please read the report into the record for the board. >> All righty. Just real quick.
All right. About 1:58 a.m. on Friday, August 15, 2025, officers Guab Burrillas and Castro assigned the gold 101 Alpha responded for to a radio call for a fight at 411 Chelsea Street. >> Oh, sorry, officer. Um, that's item
number three. We're on item number one right now. This is sidebar. >> Oh, okay. My apologies. My apologies. >> No worries. Um, who's president on behalf of the Boston Police Department for this item? Uh, there we go. Sergeant Detective Gallagher will read it in if no one's here.
>> Thank you, Sergeant Gallagher, if you could please raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> Thank you very much. If you could please proceed. >> Yes. Good morning, Sergeant Gallagher. Flossome police. will be reading the Boston police in report written by officer Daniel Dismarus
on 817 2025 at about 2:00 a.m. Sergeant Detective Cole, Officer Mars, and Officer Wells and Officer Horren spawn at the sidebar 10 Brownfield Street of a fight with the male later identified as Irvin Diaz bleeding from the head.
Officers arrived and observed Diaz liding on the ground outside sidebar. Diaz had apparent injuries to the head. His face was swollen, laceration on his forehead, bleeding from his nose and mouth. Diaz was conscious and in the
recovery position. Officer spoke to witness Tyler Nounus who explained that he was walking by and observed two black males approximately six feet tall and 500 I'm sorry 6 feet tall and
5'8 wearing staff shirts assaulting Diaz on the ground but couldn't give any further description stated that he that he observed them kicking Diaz on the ground side injective cole while Mars went side bar
to speak with the parties inside. Officers spoke with Adam Berdoni and Robert Divine who stated that they were sitting at a table across from the bar when interacted when Diaz interacted with them. Divine was wearing a Boston
Fire Department shirt and Diaz began harassing the two parties about them being cops. Verdon and Divine stated that Diaz kept asking for badge numbers and continued to harass them while being cops until he was eventually escorted
out of sidebar by staff. The Donian Divine stated that Diaz was brought outside by staff couldn't elaborate more spoke with Albert Long the bartender who stated Diaz was harassing Devine and Verdon. Diaz was told to stop and leave
the establishment. Diaz refused to leave and continued to harass the two men until he was escorted out by staff. Officers spoke with Robert Alvarez staff who stated that Diaz was harassing patrons inside the bar, refused to leave
and was escorted out by staff. Robert Desirez spoke with Matteo Deirus who was a barback. He stated he observed the harassing people while he was going back and forth between the bar and the kitchen. The virus stated Diaz refused
to leave and was escorted out by staff and couldn't give any more details. Irvin was transported by BMSA1 to TUS. Sergeant Detective Cole conducted a license premise number 022201.
Officers spoke with Laney Fawn, owner manager, who stated that she was working and couldn't um and did not deserve the incident. Van stated that there were cameras inside the bar but was unable to rewind them for the footage.
See if there's any more reports here. And that that's all that's uh on those reports. >> Thank you. Those are all the reports that we have as well. Um Miss Ununes, Miss Fam, would you like to address the alleged incident? >> So I I personally was in Florida at the
time. um Lonnie was there, but from my understanding is that once it got outside, I really don't know everybody saying that um he's he hit first and they don't really know who beat him up, but we did get emails from him asking us
for money under the table for the incident. And since then, Philip Simon has um we've kind of he's slowed down working with us just because of the previous incident that we've had with him and with SEC like we got the
professional security team. Um he has taken a deescalation class and I believe he's taking anger management class. He's just going through some things but I don't I don't know what happened outside. We have no cameras and none of us were outside for it.
We don't have cameras outside. Sorry. >> Okay. Anything further from either you or Miss Van before >> Lonnie? I don't know if you have anything to add from being there, but that's what I have on my end. >> Oh yeah. Sorry, Miss Van. You're on
mute. I just ask you to unmute. >> Okay. Um um hi sir. So that night I were working at the front door um because uh that night one of our sec uh the door guy is would uh take a day off. So I would helping at the front door. So um
the whole night that that person just back and forth like it's very um he not really like he keeps yapping in his mouth but um I just at the front door but when
they happen whatever outside I was in the in the ladies room downstairs that's almost 2:00 so the whole thing happened outside I completely don't know what happened when I run upstairs from the ladies room they everybody already
outside so I cannot see anything really like happen outside at all just like I told the um the um the officer >> thank you we'll see if there are any questions at this point then chairman
Joyce >> so um is this person Mr. Diaz still working there >> no that wasn't Mr. ideas. It was um they Philip Simon was the only one um that
was neat. Um one of the people that was there, but he didn't have anything to do with it, but that's the only one that we've had incidents with in the past that we have taken care of. But other than that, like none of the staff really gets into trouble like that. And I
didn't we didn't see what happened. >> I'm sorry. Yes. Um I'm so sorry. I I um I missed one part there is um so when everything is happen so we have some witness they stay outside was smoking
with that person they will say he he legally that come outside but always say like you know think that oh he have a problem with this person that person so obviously that person have it's just >> sure something
>> what happened internally after this after this incident, I imagine as manager or um staff, >> we reviewed Did you get witness statements? Did you did you talk to your staff? Did you write anything down? We've rescheduled this now. So, I
thought we would have had somebody here today that was actually saw what happened, but unfortunately, we don't. So I'm asking you what did >> I was unaware that it would be somebody other than management management or ownership that attended these meetings.
That was my bad. I just thought it had to be like us. >> Sure. I mean we don't have guidelines for that but it's hard for us to to figure out when no one here was no one that's here today actually saw what happened. So my question to you is after
this incident when the police were called and and the place was cleared or later the night or the next day um as manager or um people that were there what did you do? Did you take notes? Did you interview people? Um tell us what you did.
>> Did you file that would be >> what is your what is your internal >> what are your internal >> We do have um we do have incident reports and we do usually ask people I personally was not there that night because I was away on vacation. Um so
usually I'm there on the weekends to make sure everything is you know handled. Um, but I'm not sure only because I just wasn't there. I'm sorry. But Lonnie, um, do you know if we filled out an incident report or if you just
did the police report? >> Um, so that night so the police came in to get the report. So um and I I so I thought that is all the re because
this is very new to me and um I just thought that the police come inside and get the report and we just have to wait and I just asked um for some people outside for the next day like whoever know about the situation
and there is some um I I have two customer with outside at the same time with that person outside and they see that person like give other person just how the way he talk
like he he want to bring the problem. he want to start the the fight or argument about, you know, like he doesn't like the cop. Um, and he have he have stuff on his back, whatever it is, like it just it just he not like normal in his
mind the way he's speaking and I have two people I have two people witness that >> but I did not know I have to put that on report. I'm very sorry. Um, >> so how long have you worked there? Um
>> so my husband so my husband was um have a stroke and last uh last March. So this is not so I'm taking over the job. Um I'm still learning and try to be as much as I can and um my husband has passed
away um >> almost two months ago. So I tried to figure out all the stuff by myself and this is this business is very new to me and Leia always tried to help me to learn and do the right thing at the bar. >> It was kind of hard because when he ran
the bar I just kind of did what he asked. I wasn't super super involved. So when he had this stroke, me and Lonnie kind of both learned everything kind of from scratch. Um I knew the basic stuff like incident report and stuff, but like all the extra stuff we're just kind of
learning together on how to manage and run it. But I do have an incident report binder at the bar um for people to fill out in situations like this. Um >> but I'm not sure if it was I don't believe it was filled out that night. I'm not even going to lie.
>> Okay. Um, that's helpful. Um, I know you're trying to get back on your feet after the death of your husband. You do want to take, you do want to make sure if something like this, and sometimes people do this after every shift, they take notes about what happened. You want to be able
>> actually a good idea. I never even thought of that. >> And we do um ask um in the hearing notice to bring people to the hearing that have firsthand knowledge, which I know you do, Lonnie, but you didn't actually see it. So, if you are back
before us in the future, it's helpful to us to have someone who actually observed what happened to be at the hearing. >> Neither of you saw it. So, um, so I'm sorry, I misspoke. The staff that were working that night, do they all still
work there? >> Only one of them. >> No, two of them. Matteo and Albert. And then Phil doesn't work there as much. He maybe does like one shift every once in a while. We have a new karaoke DJ.
>> Okay. >> I don't think Phil was on the report. I don't know why I keep saying him. I know he like I know he was the DJ that night, but Roberto doesn't uh work for us anymore. MO still works for us. Albert still worked for us and I think that was it
that was named on the report. Correct. I have it right here. I'm sorry. Uh, Commissioner Carino, Commissioner Sax, do you have any questions? >> No questions. Maybe just weigh in uh more in the way of advisement uh to add
to what the uh chairwoman has said. Um, you know, today we have a situation where, you know, we have an allegation, but um, you know, unfortunately we don't have the police that were there that night. We don't and fortunately unfortunately the alleged victim is not
here. Um, you know, for the reasons stated by the chairwoman, if those those people were here, there would be more questions to ask and answer. um I don't think you you two would be well prepared for to answer
>> uh for what might be said by the alleged victim or the police. So um you know in the way of defending this allegation um I just don't think you've you've done enough. Um it may come to nothing because of the quality of the case against you but um I would just be
warned that you need to do a better job. Um I would say that maybe consider installing cameras on the outside. I mean if that's what if there are any incidences and we all hope that there are not um that are out outside um you
know cameras are a way of of helping to understand what happened and that could potentially absolve um your establishment. But having the the facts to be clear uh on camera would be helpful.
>> Thank you. Are there any further questions from the board? >> Seeing now the board will take this under advisement. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Calling item number two, Facility Concession Services LLC doing business as Spectrum located at 89 Guest Street
in Brighton. Date of the incident, August 24th, 2025. large crowd street concert on and abudding location in violation of that general law chapter 138 section 64 who is present on behalf of the lenc e >> good morning madam chair members of the board attorney green kristen scanland
for the lenc ee also for the lenc e are um several folks this morning including uh Josh body who's senior vice president Bowie presents uh the general manager Damen Healey who was present that evening as well as two members of the security team uh the 528 80 group who
they contract with for this venue, Jason Davies who was also present that evening and Haz Ibrahim. >> Great. Thank you. I only see uh Mr. Healey, Mr. Davis. Oh, I see Mr. Body now as well. Uh thank you. I I don't see Mr. Ibrahim if he is planning on testifying. If you could please come on
camera. In the meantime, I'll ask who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department. >> Sergeant Jeff Mcan, uh District 14. Thank you. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning?
Can you all please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Sergeant McNan, if you could please uh read the report to the record for the board. It's about 12:30 a.m. on Sunday, August 24th, 2025. Sergeant Mcan
conducted a license premise inspection at the Roadrunner concert venue located at 89 Guest Street in Brighton. Sergeant Mcan was made aware of a large concert tonight at the Roadrunner venue located at 89 Guest Street. Sergeant McGan arrived at 89 Guest Street location and
observed over a thousand people lording in the middle of the street and on the sidewalks of Guest Street. These indiv individuals were all concert goers who had just attended a concert inside the Roadrunner venue. Sergeant McGee requested the assistance of additional district 14 units to his location for
crowd control and increased police presence. Officer Diaz and officer Retail responded and assisted with directing traffic and clearing the roadway of the large crowd. Sergeant Mcan observed double park cars and pedestrians occupying the middle of the street, making the roadway impassible for emergency vehicles and transit
buses. Sergeant Mcan observed a marching style band loudly drumming in the middle of the street, amping up the large crowd even more. At this time, Sergeant Mcan entered the Roadrunner venue and he requested to speak with the manager immediately to conduct a license premise inspection. Sergeant Mcan directed the
manager identified as Damen Healey to have his staff members clear out the sidewalk and help disperse a large crowd on Guest Street. The staff members went to work and assisted the officers with vehicle and pedestrian traffic. The officers remained on scene until a large majority of the crowd dispersed from the area. Sergeant Mcan issued license
premise inspection notice 059181 to the person in charge, general manager Damen Haley, for the following violation. Large street large crowd and street concert on and abuting the premise. The inspection notice was signed by Haley and issued to him in hand. Haley and staff members cooperated fully with the
investigation and the license premises inspection. Sergeant McGan also inspected the venue's Boston licenses, noting no issues with any of the bars clearly visible postal licenses. >> Thank you very much. Attorney Scanley, would you like to address the alleged incident? >> Uh, please, Sergeant Mcan. Just a few
questions if I may. Um, when you happened upon the exterior of the Roadrunner venue, you came upon a large crowd of people on the roadway, correct? >> Yes. Yes. And to be clear, you weren't specifically called to the premises because of the crowd on the street.
Correct. >> Correct. Yes. Yes. So, I was there um we were informed that the that the mayor could um um make an appearance there um early in the night. >> Thank you. And uh by and large uh during
your time outside the venue, this was a peaceful crowd, correct? >> Yes. Yes, they were very peaceful. >> And as you noted in your report, when you exited your cruiser, you went into the venue to address um the crowd with venue staff. >> Yes.
>> And venue staff were coop cooperative with you at all times and assisting to disperse the crowd. >> Yes, fully. >> And the crowd was also cooperative with peaceful dispersal as well. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, with a crowd that large it they don't disperse in, you
know, momentarily. It it took a little while, >> but it was a peaceful crowd. No issues otherwise with >> Yes. Yes. They they seem like a jovial uh crowd. >> Okay. Thank you very very much. No further questions. Um Sergeant, appreciate that. U Madam Chair, members
of the board, if I may. Um to prov to provide some context, uh the event itself this evening was a postc carnival party celebrating Haitian music, community, and culture. Um, it was actually joined in celebration by Mayor
Woo and various members of city council and the mayor's office. Earlier that evening, the mayor was actually um, uh, joined the artist on stage to present him with a resolution recognizing his efforts in promoting Haitian music and culture. Um, all in all, this was a very
peaceful event with no issues to speak of. Uh to provide a bit more context to this particular event, the licency and Bowie were aware that the artists reached out to a local RAR band, which is like a second line uh in New Orleans.
Uh they said they were going to play offstage and take it to the front door and that's how the event ends. Um the message was clear from Bowie that the artist had to stop playing at the exit doors. Um it was confirmed by Bowie that
they artists understood this boundary. Um obviously here the Lency does not dispute the facts uh noted in the police report. Um unfortunately either the message wasn't passed along or andor was
ignored. Um staff on hand was prepared for the movement of the band from the stage through the venue to the front door. At that point in time, there were people exiting the venue uh to to depart from the concert, but it was still an ongoing concert at that point.
Once the band reached the front door, they continued to play there as expected, but after approximately 5 minutes, they continued on outside. At this point, the team had a judgment call to make. The security team, as I mentioned, Mr. Ibrahim and Mr. Davies
who are here have well over 20 years of experience working in the industry and specifically entertainment venues. They're used to working with crowd control, large format venues. They had the resources that evening, but um in lifetime we're thinking of the lesser of
two evils, which is really do they let this band continue onto the street, which they were informed they weren't going to do, they understood they couldn't do, or do they try to confront them in the middle of the vestibule with 3,000 people and create much more of a
hazardous situation? Um similarly, Mr. body can testify. He's been doing this um for 25 years across a number of venues and this just doesn't happen. It was a bit of an anomaly of a situation in a in a highly unanticipated event. Um
security nonetheless followed um outside. They do wear high viz vests and in the meantime, Mr. Healey, the general manager, can testify that he immediately went backstage to tell the artist team that they needed to get the band to stop. Um this was obviously not part of the programming certainly not part of
the lensure. The the lency is very well aware of that um and needed to get get everyone to come back inside and or disperse. All in all this happened in about 10 minutes as noted um as well in the sergeant's testimony. It was a
peaceful crowd that followed um both venue staff and police orders to disperse and move along. Um but want to reiterate this has never happened. Some of the New Orleans bands will do it, but they in their experience have never had this situation before. And again, they
were they were forced to make a bit of a live judgment call and and pick the lesser of two evils here. Of note, they they have had this artist before at the venue. This was not something that was in programming. It was something that was understood and addressed. You can't
go outside this venue to perform. Um, so it wasn't an artist that was flagged for any reason for anticipated issues. Um, they had the agreement with the parameters in place and had no reason to believe that they wouldn't abide by that
agreement. I do think it's worth noting as well that Bowie contracts with over 5,000 artists a year across its venues and have discussions every time of certain things and and parts of maybe artist programming and things that are prohibited. they maybe have a problem
with an artist once or twice a year. Um, and it really comes down to whether it's a it's a patron safety thing. So again, this is this is not this is was very abnormal for that evening. It was a peaceful crowd and under the circumstances, they did everything they could do to assist and move the the
crowd along um peacefully and otherwise had no issues. Um, I know as I mentioned the whole team is here and on hand to answer any questions that the board might have regarding this incident. >> Thank you for that. We will see if there are any questions at this time. Uh,
Chairwoman Joyce, >> thank you. So, talk to me a little bit first. We requested a dispersal plan in May. We never received it. So, I'm asking you again on the record to send to send us a dispersal plan. When we voted on a May incident, we had put in
the vote that we wanted to get a copy of your dispersal plan. So, please um send that along. >> We'll do. >> So, talk to me a little bit about when you said there was an understanding with this artist that they couldn't go outside, was that a verbal conversation? Is this in the contract? Are there
penalties if they do go outside? What are those penalties? Um, is it just like, you know, I trust you guys. You've been here before. Tell me about this, >> Josh, if you can chime in on that. >> Yeah, I'll speak to that. So, um, with this art, and one bit of clarification,
we've had this artist at other venues of ours, not specifically at Roadrunner. Um, so I don't want to misstate that, but we've had that artist before, specifically with this, um, carnivalbased event called Bio. Um, that was doing that evening. Never had an issue. And um you know the artist has
always been you know up to it. What what the artist does with these bio events during carnival is they reach out to local artists um to include them on this. So um in the advance with this artist team they said we reached out to a local rah group that we brought into
the event. We said okay no problem. We understand that you want to have them you know play at the conclusion of the show play off the stage. You know it's like a again horns and drums and that kind of thing. So they play off the stage, bring it to the door, and it was in writing clearly stated and they
acknowledge only having them play to the um to the front door. Um and obviously the artist played went to the front door and continued playing at that point. As um Kristen mentioned, they you know, some of the crowd had already started to move out because it was the tail end of
the show. Um so it all kind of moved along very quickly. Uh and again to the testimony once Damian was outside earlier in the evening saw the band going outside went back to go communicate with the artist. Hey the RA
band that you reached out to let's find the point of contact they can't be playing in the street it's not the expectation that wasn't was discussed and then um you know at that point uh Sergeant M man Mc man would responded to the site Damian was coming back out and we uh helped disperse the crowd at that
point. Okay. Uh I guess I'm just not clear. So it was just a there's no contract that said they couldn't go outside. It's just you talked about >> it wouldn't have been something that's typically not in our business a contractual. >> Okay. >> Um you know the behavior is is addressed
in there. So, um, there is a level of, you know, they have to abide by our policies and everything else, but in in real time when that happens, you know, I think Damian's response was to go backstage to go find the primary artist who had just finished up his manager.
Um, and they were responding in that time. So, it all again, it happened quickly enough that there wasn't a, you know, it wasn't a pulling out the contract wouldn't have prevented anything in the moment. >> Okay. Uh, thank you, Commissioner Cara. Commissioner Saxon.
>> Um, I think I'm just looking for more clarity on why the band couldn't have been stopped at the at the best of you and just requested to cut the music. >> Pause or Jason, if you want to speak to that from the security standpoint.
>> Sure, I can speak to that. Um, so the the judgment call was made that when the RAR band's coming out, they stop at the door for a few minutes. Now, there's people in front of them, there's people behind them, so there's enough of a crowd pack uh around them that, you
know, they're surrounded by people. Then they continue out onto the street. So, the options are to either fight your way through the crowd, get to the band, try to stop a band who's not complying, and
now they have a quote unquote mob of people around them or or let them continue what they want to do. In my experience, uh an artist that has control of the crowd, you really the they don't want to stop, they're not going to stop. We need
to that's why man that's why we Damian went backstage to get somebody in charge or someone that could stop them. So we didn't want to get into a conference security getting into confrontation with the band is uh in a confined space could
lead to we we thought could lead to much larger issues. Um but no attempt was made just even hand signals anything to get them just let let them know that they they needed to stop inside the building.
>> There was an attempt to stop them, but >> at that point um they were spread out. It wasn't like they were in a a line like you would think a marching band would be. They were spread out amongst the crowd. Um, and I believe they were handing out horns to guests as well to
uh participate. And so it was really difficult to to get everyone on board to stop um at that point. >> Okay. Thank you. >> No questions from me. Thank you. >> There any further questions from the
board? >> I just I just want to double check. So, you don't dispute the facts that um the people leaving your license premise were occupying the middle of the street, making the roadway impassible for
emergency vehicles and transit buses. >> I they don't dispute the crowd in the street, but it was it was security and police were out there clearing people so that there wouldn't be a public safety emergency. Okay,
>> thank you. If there are no further questions and the board will take this under advisement as well. Um, and there was a request made for a dispersal plan. Um, we will make sure that that is shared with the commissioners when received. Thank you. Calling item number three, Guzbin LLC
doing business as Medio located at 411 Chelsea Street in East Boston. Date of the incident, August 15, 2025. Salt and battery with a dangerous weapon. Patron on patron in violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 15A. Who is present on
behalf of the lency? >> Attorney Tyler Hensler on behalf of the Lency. Joining me is the manager of record Louie Maldonado. >> Thank you very much. Officer Galdo Barez has already identified himself. Thank you for being with us. There any other
individuals of firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning? Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing? Yep. Mr. Maldon, if you could please keep your hand up. Uh, thank you. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> True. >> Thank you, officer. You have already been sworn in. Uh, if you could please read the report into the record for the board. About 1:58 a.m. on Friday, August 15, 2025, officers Guerillas and Castro signed to the Gold 101 responded to a
radio call for a fight at 411 Chelsea Street, East Boston. Also assisting were the goal 2011, Ortiz Broco, Gold 425 Alpha Mahanos, Go 499, Officer Miranda, Go 411, Officer Royal, Goal 421, Officer Morado, and goal 904,
Sergeant Cabrera. Upon arrival, officers met with the reporter witness number one, Carlos Mardo, outside who pointed in the direction of a group of people walking away, stating, "This lady, this lady with a yellow dress." As officers attempted to gain further information,
two unidentified females stepped out of a vehicle and began interrupting the witness Marcato, screaming, "He's lying." Officers stopped the group from walking away in order to gather more information of what occurred. Winners number two, Luis Maldonado, had approached officers and stated in Spanish that a lady in a yellow dress
had thrown a glass bottle at a person inside the media bar. Witness number two had escorted officer Guaburillas inside the bar and officer Guabillas observed a male profusely bleeding from his head, applying pressure to it with a napkin. Boston EMS 1 A27 Bella and McCoy
transported the victim to Mass General Hospital for further evaluation. Witness number one Marcato had escorted officer Guilis. The group of people stopped and stated that a verbal dispute had occurred inside the bar over an unpaid tab. Afterward, a female with a yellow dress through a glass bottle striking
the victim. The officer observed only one female with a yellow dress in the group of people stopped and confirmed with the witness that she was a suspect. Officers attempted to speak with the suspect identified as Tiffany Moss Finos while doing so other unidentified females in the group began to shield the
suspect from officers causing the suspect to slowly walk away. Based on both witnesses statements and the victim's injuries, it was determined that the suspect would be placed under arrest. While attempting to arrest the suspect, the suspect began to resist, running away, flailing her arms and smacking officer Miranda in the mouth.
The suspect then dropped to the ground, sitting upright and continuing continuing to uh flail her arms. As officers attempted to deescalate the situation, the unidentified females and the group began to surround officers screaming obscenities and attempt to advance towards the suspect. After
several more deescalation attempts, the suspect eventually complied and was placed in handcuffs and transported to district 4 by gold 425 alpha mahanos and the go 421 alpha morale for Brooking. Officer spoke to witness number two who cooperated with witness statements
uh witness number one statements. Witness number two stated that the amount for the unpaid tab was $274. Witness number two stated due to internet issues he was unable to provide any video footage obtained by the security cameras. The gold 94 Sergeant
Cabar issued a license premise violation 022377. Tiffany Roatos Renos will be charged out of vising assault battery with dangerous weapons resisting officers and assault and battery on a police officer. >> Thank you very much. Attorney Hensler,
would you like to address the alleged incident? >> Yes, officer Guapa Burius. I I just have one quick question. Uh were the licences, staff, employees, their manager cooperative on that night? >> Yes, they were all pretty cooperative.
>> Thank you. That's that's all I have uh for the police. So, uh Madame Chair, members of the board, the events of August 15th, uh in the police report as described by officer Guapo Bereas are indeed
accurate. uh shortly before 2:00 a.m. after last call and as the bar was closing out all final bills and closing down for the night essentially the described woman in the yellow dress uh Tiffany Mtos Fenos became upset
apparently she was upset over not wanting to pay her bill in an apparent attempt to avoid paying her tab uh she threw a bottle which struck a patron uh this was not a fight there was no leadup or preceding squabble between Miss
Mtosenos and the victim Uh when she did this, she was immediately escorted out of the premises by the manager of record, Luis Maldonado, who then immediately called the police. The police came and ended up arresting Miss Ba Matoss Renos somewhere
down the street from the premises after yet another outburst of violence. Luis Maldonado was there the whole time. He spoke to police that night. Uh, it's our opinion that Luis and the Madayo staff did everything that they are supposed to do when a patron violently attacks
another without provocation. They called the police and made sure everyone else on the premises was safe uh by escorting this person off the premises. It was not foreseeable that this person would react to being served their bill uh with violence. The staff said that
she had caused no no issues prior to the incident. In the wake of the incident, Luis uh has held staff meetings addressing the incident and reiterating the licences policy to call the police immediately as happened in this case if a patron becomes aggressive or violent towards
another person. So that has been reinforced. Um with that, we're happy to take uh any questions. >> Thank you. We'll see if there are any at this time. Chairman Joyce, >> uh I have no questions at this time. I might after um the commissioners asked
questions. Yeah, I have no questions as well. Thank you. >> None from me. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. If there are no questions, then the board will take this matter under adisement as well. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Calling item number four, K and K
Restaurant Group, Inc. doing business as Estella, located at 49 Temple Place. Date of the incident, August 29th, 2025. Operation after posted hours in violation of Mass General Law Chapter 138, section 64. who is present on
behalf of the Lency. >> Uh Helder George Mandale. >> Great. >> Thank you for being with us. Uh there any other individ uh no president on behalf of the Boston Police Department? >> Detective Gallo can read it if there's no one here.
Thank you. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify uh this morning? I I do believe um this report seems to be written by Officer Okconor who does appear to be with us.
>> See, officer Okconor, are you able to uh participate on mute? >> Hello. >> Hello. Yes. Are you with us? >> I am. >> Great. are you uh here I assume to testify on this item. This is Estella. >> Yes, sir. >> Great. Thank you. I'm just going to ask you to turn your camera on so that we can spare you in.
>> Thank you very much. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning? Can you all please raise your right hand? Great. Mr. Brand, if you could also please raise your right hand for us. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> I do. >> Great. Uh, Mr. Mandell, just say I do. >> Thank you. All right. Officer Okconor, if you could please read the report into the record for the board. >> Sir, >> thank you. About 2:56 a.m. on Tuesday,
August 26, 2025, officers Okconor and Payne in the Alpha 102 Alpha responded to a radio call for a disturbance loud music at Washington Street Temple Place, a Stella restaurant in Boston. Upon arrival, officers spoke with the caller identified as Shaell Scott who stated that he could hear loud music coming
from Estella. The caller Scott also stated that Estella was still letting people inside their inside their bar. Mr. Scott stated that after 4:00 a.m. people are still exiting a stellas and causing fights at times. Miss Hamadovich stated to officers that quote, "They're going in after 2 a.m. and they're still
going in now." End quote. Officers approached the front door of Stellas to make contact with one of the assistant managers, Billy Lacroy, and asked if they were still if they were still open and letting people in, and he stated no. When officers asked Mr. Lacroy what time they stopped letting people in, he stated to officers, quote, 1:55 a.m. End
quote. Mr. LCroy then stated, quote, "I can get the owner for you." While waiting for Mr. Lacroy to come back with the owner, officers observed one female exit from the door adjacent to the front door of Estella. While out front of a Stella, officer shine their flashlight down the stairs and observed a
curtain-like material hung over the staircase opening leading to the basement. Through an opening in the fabric, officers observed multiple faces as well as people's feet. Officers requested a patrol supervisor for a code 35 license precise violation. Officers asked Mr. LCroy if there were people in
the basement and he would not give a straight answer. Officers walked down the stairs to the basement, removed the curtain, and observed a basement full of people. Officers observed the basement full of people exit through the back door of the basement and begin to walk up the rear staircase. Prior to exiting the basement with the patrons, officers
observed multiple tables with little clear cups on them. While at the rear staircase, patrons were confused as to how to exit the establishment from the staircase with two women asking if they could leave the premise through the bar's front door to which officers allowed. Officers then walked up the
staircase to the fourth level and ushered over 50 patrons out of the establishment that were huddled on the staircase with clear pass plastic cups scattered throughout the staircase. Officers watched patrons exit the staircase from the pre previously mentioned adjacent door located next to
a stellar. The alpha 908 arrived on scene and officers notified her of the code 35 violation. While Sajia was speaking with the assistant manager, sorry, with the other assistant manager, Susan Savesi, officers observed another another group of individuals exit the
bar's front door. While Sergeant De was conducting the code 35 violation, officers were flagged down by the original caller, informing officers of an active fight at the corner of Washington Street and West Street. Officers responded to the fight call and upon arrival observed no active fight happening, but multiple vehicles stopped
in the middle of the street. Phoenix security pointed out a man in a red t-shirt as the individual was started the verbal altercation. Officers observed multiple people around the altercation as patrons who were personally escorted out of the bar by officers. Sergeant Deia explained to the assistant manager, Miss Searesi, that
the call came in at 2:56 a.m. and their license is a 2:00 license. Miss Everice Miss Everice explained to Sajad that quote unquote these people referred to the patrons in her basement quote bumrushed the door. Miss Everice stated that she only had one security guard on
tonight instead of her usual five to seven security guards and when she attempted to get the patrons to exit, they ignored her. Sergeant was unable to complete the code 35 violation due to the establishment's permits which were located out of at a height out of reach. Sergeant informed Miss Aesi that
sergeant in detective Gallagher from licensing would be notified and a code 35 would be given. It should be noted that there have been numerous incidents regarding this establishment with the most recent being a call for a person with the gun which occurred at 2:26 a.m. on Sunday, August 24th, 2025. 41 cameras
activated. >> Thank you. We have a supplemental report as well. Um Sergeant Gallagher, will you be reading that in Oh, sorry. You're on mute right now. Sergeant Gallery, you're on mute still. >> Sorry about that. >> There we go. >> Detective Gallagher, I'll be reading
Detective Kenny Curley's report in on Friday, August 29th, 2025, about 9:41 p.m. Detectives Curly and Finn, assisted by Detectives Hernandez and Sergeant Gallagha. The license premise unit went to a Stella, 49 Temple Street, issue a
license premise violation number 017448. Detective Curley reviewed the body warn camera of officer Shield responding officers on August 26 at about 3:00 a.m. Officers responded to a radio call for loud music in the area of Temple Place
in Washington Street. Officers were directed to a Stella by the security from the Godfrey Hotel. Officers noted a large amount of foot and vehicle traffic on Temple Place for 3:00 a.m. Officers observed multiple patrons in the basement area of Stella, which be noted
that a large black curtain was used to block the view of the basement from the street. Detective observed on body one camera video that at least 67 patrons, all clearly dressed for a night out, were located trying to flee up the back
stairwell of the building. Detective observed multiple individuals, both male and female, holding small, clear plastic glasses, most likely containing alcoholic beverage. License premise violation number 017448
issued to operation after posted hours. Management cooperated with detectives and was signed by Mr. Jeffrey Silva. And uh that's Kenny Curley's report. >> Thank you very much. Mr. Brandai, would you like to address the alleged incident?
Oh, you are on mute right now. Here we go. >> Um, yeah, ultimately failed on Monday. U, we had an issue on Sunday as well, but we were able to handle it. It was an embarrassment on Monday. So, on Sunday it was, uh, Chris Brown's weekend. Um,
there was the Celtics were there, NFL players, um, and several Irish. We were able to uh there are people that were trying to get in one who had also a relationship with another patron is who called the cops on Sunday saying that
there was a gun. There was no gun. Um we were able with the commotion we were able to get all the everyone um out by uh by 2:30. Uh we explained to the officers, let them come in and um
everyone was good. I even sent a message um to Mr. Gallagher letting them know that hey, we were able to get everyone out. Um the next day, uh it was a Monday. We weren't expecting it. Again, it was after Chris Brown um
uh the Chris Brown uh weekend. He was having a show. So people were going in through the side door. There was already an artist in the building. Uh we had failed. I got the call at like two something. Hey, we can't get out of it. People are coming in with drinks. People
are barging in. We only We got one security to go out there, which is my cousin. But I couldn't get any more security. That's when I I went there. I saw the um the hotel manager security filming. That's when I told them, "We
got to get everyone out." um the way the same way they got in get them out u to the side door. Um and it was just hard doing that with myself and and one of the um security. I then let
uh Gallagher uh know of the incident right right that day. It was uh we failed to do so. Here's the issues. Um we've now we understand how serious it is. Um I take full responsibility as the owner. Uh it doesn't come out on the
promoter or anyone else. Um we have uh stopped taking last minute um events. Uh we stopped um uh we've uh put a latch on the side door um where people can't come
in. People were just pushing it. um they were able to to get in and we have done now a a much better job of just getting everyone no matter if you're um downstairs or upstairs or um you know
celebrity status or ball player whatever it is everyone got to get out at the same time. Usually they feel more comfortable after people leave uh they would leave but we've now got everyone um to come out. Hey, everyone got to,
you know, um leave at uh at the same time. >> Thank you for that. We'll see if the board has any questions at this time. Chairman Joyce, >> um thank you for joining us. Thank you for explaining what was going on. So, just
to be clear, you were not expecting a crowd like this on the Chris Brown weekend. >> No, it's a Monday. We don't usually get anything on a Monday and >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, it's >> even Okay. >> Go ahead.
>> Um, couple questions. The curtain that covers the basement, um, is that always there? >> That's usually there. Um, if there's a private event. >> Okay. >> Again, there was one promoter who brings in, um, you know, celebrities, ball
players, he usually does that. Um there's people that want to come down. So, >> okay, my one comment. Um the Mr. LCroy when he was talking to the officers said that they stopped letting
people in at 155. Is that still your policy? >> Um we usually stop letting people in at 1:30. um you know like your regulars um you know they may come in say hello but we usually shut the door like 1:30.
>> Okay. Because your license >> it's like a Monday. >> Yeah. Your license closing hours two. So I in my opinion it's not good practice to still be letting people in 5 minutes before closing. >> I agree. >> Okay. So I suggest you retrain your
staff so they all know uh last you know person in at 1:30 because you're closing a half hour later. We we have done uh a training. Our doors um you know are closed at at 2:30 even if you see it. Security now goes in I'm not 2:30 1:30
goes in and locks the door um on there. But again it's a Monday. Um you're not it's not a a event night. So you know that's why it's kind of people go in and out. Um the security was let was he went
in later um because I called him and say, "Hey, they're they having an issue. I'm finishing up at the office. I'll go right right over there." But I'm in High Park, so by the time they're I got there, it was like closer to 240. >> Okay.
>> You know, it's um >> Yeah. I I I you know, we we failed and there's no excuses. I apologize. I hope that um the board can give me some grace, but um yeah, there's just no excuses. We failed on all platforms. >> Okay, Commissioner Carr and Commissioner
Saxon. >> I have no questions. Thank you. >> None from me. Thank you. >> Thank you. Without the board apologize again. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. The board will take this under adisement. >> Calling item number 5443 Broadway LLC
doing business as Cappo located at 439 to 441 West Broadway in South Boston. Date of the incident August 24th 2025 assault and battery patron on patron inside premise in violation of mass laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A who's present on behalf of
the lency. >> Good morning again madam chair members of the board attorney green Kristen Scanland for the lency and also with us is Emily Turnbull who is um the acting general manager of the licensed premises and has personal knowledge of the events of that evening.
>> Thank you. doing. And who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department? >> Officer Noah Presley. >> Uh, Sergeant Steven Pablo. >> Great. Thank you both. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning?
Can you all please raise your right hand? >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I >> I do. >> Thank you. Who will be reading the report into the record for the board? >> Uh, I will Austin Presley. >> Great. Thank you very much. if you could
please proceed. >> About 12:24 a.m. on Sunday, uh, August 24th, 2025, Officer Presley and the Fox 431 Alpha responded to a radio call for an assault and battery in progress at Kappo located at 443 West Broadway,
South Boston. Responding units included the Fox K1, Fox 2011, Fox 112, Fox 411, Fox 421, and the Fox 9006 control. Upon arrival, officers located the victim, Dylan Clifford, outside of the bar on
the sidewalk. The victim stated that he had been assaulted by a male suspect in the upstairs men's bathroom of Kappo. He explained that upon entering the bathroom, an unknown suspect struck him in the back of the head with his fist. The victim claimed that he did not know who the suspect was and had not spoken
to him at all previously. The victim stated that he heard from other individuals at the bar that the unknown suspect had been acting aggressively with others the whole night. The victim stated that he was escorted outside by bar employees before calling the police. He stated that the
suspect fled on West Broadway towards F Street. He described the suspect as a white male and about 5' 11, but could not recall the suspect's clothing or other features. Officer Presley spoke or officer Presley asked the victim if he wished to be evaluated by EMS. However,
the victim declined. Officers spoke to the bar manager, Emily Turnbull, who was able to provide a photo of the suspect. Based on the photo, the suspect appeared to be wearing blue jeans and a light colored t-shirt from a rip on the or with a rip on the back. The suspect appeared to have dark hair and was
wearing white sneakers. Sergeant Troll of the Fox 906 arrived on scene to conduct a license premise premise check of the business. Uh, license premise violation 021530. Body warn camera activated. >> Thank you very much. Attorney Scandlin,
would you like to address the alleged incident? >> Yes, please. Thanks. Um, Officer Presley, just a few questions. Um, that evening when you responded, the victim or the alleged victim here, Mr. Clifford, stated that an unknown suspect hit him in the back of the head. Correct. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> And this occurred in the men's restroom. >> Upstairs men's restroom. Yes, ma'am. >> And u Mr. Clifford stated that he did not know the suspect. Correct. >> Correct. He did not know him by name >> and that he never spoke to him previously. >> Correct.
>> Uh and the suspect is still unknown to date. Correct. >> Uh as far as I know. >> Okay. Um while on scene, um Mr. Clifford was offered EMS and declined. Correct. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And Mr. Clifford had no um visible or
notable injuries. Correct. >> Correct. And you didn't speak to any witnesses to this alleged assault. Correct. >> Correct, ma'am. As far as I'm aware, it was just the two of them in the bathroom. >> Thank you. And um while you were there,
Miss Turnbull, the acting general manager provided a picture and description of the alleged suspect in this incident. Correct. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And at all times for staff cooperative with you while you were at the licensed premises? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you very much, officer. No further
questions at this time. Um, Madam Chair, members of the board, if I may, uh, Miss Turnbull will testify in a few moments, but first and foremost, this was an unforeseeable incident that occurred, as um, you've heard so far in the upstairs men's bathroom at the licensed premises.
Um, Miss Turnbull was, uh, working and on shift that evening. She was located not too far from the hallway that um has the men's uh has the restrooms upstairs um towards the top of the stairs with two uh members of the security team when
um an unknown witness and male patron came out of the bathroom and went up to them and indicated that there was a fight occurring in the men's bathroom. By the time the two male security guards um went to the bathroom within a matter of seconds, uh no active altercation was
ongoing when they got in there. Um of note, we did speak to Mr. Scott Aaron who was one of the security members. He just had a conflict with his day job and was not able to attend the hearing. But as I said, Miss Turnbull was there and has personal knowledge and can hopefully answer any questions you might have. But
Mr. Aaron did indicate no active fight was happening in the restroom. As per Lency's policy, they separate the parties um and asked them to leave. They're kind of fact gathering as they're separating the parties and escorting them um out to the front door.
It wasn't clear um immediately what had happened, but quickly learned, consistent with the police report from the alleged victim, that he was um punched in the head in the back of the head without provocation. Um, Miss Turnbull, if I may just ask you a few questions. Um, first and foremost, state
your name for the record. >> My name is Emily Turnbull. >> And what is your position for the Lency? >> I'm the general manager. >> And how long have you worked there? >> For four and a half years. >> Um, you were working the evening in question?
>> Yes. >> And were part of the staff members that responded in assisting to remove these particular patrons from the scene. Correct. >> Yes. Um, uh, do you recall any visible injuries on the alleged victim in this instance, Mr. Clifford?
>> No. >> And the victim also stated to you that he was essentially sucker punched? Correct. >> Yes. >> Approximately how long, all in all, from the time the unknown male patron notified you that um there was a fight in the men's bathroom to the time you
got outside, how long how much time transpired? I can't say for certain, but probably less than a minute. A minute. >> Um, on this particular evening, uh, were any complaints received u by you or any
other staff, uh, at the premises from any other patrons regarding this particular alleged suspect? >> No. >> And police responded to the scene in response to this um, alleged altercation. Correct. >> Correct.
And you um as police report indicates provided a picture to police and um hopes to help identify the suspect. >> Yes. >> Was the suspect still on scene when the police arrived? >> No. >> Um was he to your knowledge was he with
anybody else um that evening that could potentially assist um with any information regarding this incident? >> Not that I was aware of. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Madam Chair, members of the board, further if I may, just a few more
points. Um, there's no footage, video footage. Obviously, this happens in the bathroom. This happened allegedly in the bathroom. They do not have cameras in the bathroom. Um, they have looked and are actively working to put um a camera
as close as they can to the hallway that won't violate any privacy when the bathroom doors open. So, that is an improvement they're looking to make um um in the uh vicinity of the restrooms um so we can hopefully have some more
information in the hopefully unlikely event that something like this happens in the bathroom again. But as the police report and testimony from officer Presley as well as Miss Turnbull indicates um and the testimony via the police from the alleged victim here
himself, this was unforeseeable and and he essentially was attacked unprovoked and suddenly um um with no incident. He didn't know the guy, no incident or communication or any verbal altercation
with him prior to this incident happening. Um, nonetheless, nonetheless, staff did respond immediately and as per policy, um, uh, separated them and police were called and cooperated with police in all
forms that they could to alleviate this situation. Um, with that said, happy to answer any questions or address any concerns the board might have regarding this incident. >> Thank you for that. We'll see if there are any questions. Chairwoman Joyce, >> I just can someone address in the police
report says that this um person had been acting um like that all night. Did any of the staff see that? >> No. Emily can confirm. We we did talk to other staff too, but they did um once they saw that police report interview
staff as well. There's there was no mention or indication from anyone that there was a problematic patron that evening. We don't know who the victim, alleged victim here, heard that from, but it certainly wasn't anything that was seen um by staff or reported to staff that evening by anybody on
premises. >> Okay, thank you. >> I have no questions. >> None for me. Thank you. >> Thank you. If there are no further questions from the board, then the board will take this matter under advisement as well. Thank you. >> Thank you.
And calling item number six, Newa Liquors, Inc. doing business as Walsh Wine and Spirits, located at 388 Washington Street in Brighton. Date of the incident, September 3rd, 2025, sale of alcohol to person under 21 in violation of Mass General laws chapter 138, section 34 to 34A, 416464A,
and boards rule 1.08F. Who is present on behalf of the lency? >> Hi, my name is Inos. I am the uh manager of the record. >> Great. Thank you very much. Who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department? >> Well, I am Detective Horn.
>> Thank you. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify? >> Detective Gallagher, if need be. >> Thank you very much. Can you all please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Detective Hernandez, you could please proceed with a report from
board. >> Good morning. I'm going to read from police report I wrote on Wednesday September 3rd 2025 showing detective William Gallagher and detective Eddie Hernandez assigned to the BPD license permission were mounting the seal of alcohol to underage patrons at liquor
stores while parked across the street from Wine Spirits. Detectives observed a female later identified as Elizabeth Denalova walk out of the liquor store with a plastic bag containing two bottles of wine. Detectives notice female looked young and watched her get into the driver's seat of a motor vehicle parked
across the street. Detective stopped the motor vehicle and asked Miss Analova to produce identification to confirm her age. The driver stated that she was under 21 years of age. When detectives asked Miss Analova how she obtained the alcohol,
which detectives observed her walk out of the store with, Miss Danalova attempted to provide a mass driver's license while holding on to the onto another driver's license. Detectives confiscated second driver's license and expired New York driver's license
belonging to a Maril Marilla Boot. Um, detectives were able to confirm that Mr. Analova and Mr. Berkoot had valid driver's licenses. Uh, the passenger in the motor vehicle was also holding the bag with wine. Uh, provided the detectives with a photo appeared to be a
valid Russian passport in the name of Diana Leashenko. Uh as a result of what detectives discovered, Mr. Stan will be summoned to court for forge misuse or har document if person under 21 person of alcohol. Mr. Leenko will be summoned to court for
person under 21 of alcohol. Mood will be summoned into court for assisting person under 21 purchase alcohol and misuse of an document. As a result of what was discovered, sorry Detective Gallagher issued license person inspection notice 020601
to lost his uh wine and spirits store liquor store for service of alcohol to persons under 21 years of age. The person in charge Mr. Nero uh Shren signed for and accepted the notice. Should be noted that the establishment uses a license
verification pro uses a license verification program detective as a clerk to scan the New York license and it's scanned as an expired license. So >> thank you very much. Mr. Shna, would you like to address the alleged incident?
>> Yeah, at that time I was working and the girl came in and she took the two bottle of wine. I scan the ID it was expire and it seems like me to erase. Uh so my scanner says uh license expired
is okay to sell. So that's why I thought it's okay. It seems like I messed the picture and her face but it seems like same to me and that's why I sell to her and I don't know she have another ID because I cannot ask for another ID. Uh
she just gave me one ID and I scan is okay. So that's why the sale. >> Thank you. Um we'll see if there are any questions for you. Chairman Joyce, >> um how long have you worked there? >> Um almost five year.
>> Okay. So were you did you participate in ourformational hearing in 2023? >> Yes. >> Okay. I don't have any questions. commissioners. Do you? >> Yeah, this is my first time. I never sell like a XR ID and this is my first
time. So, I thought it's going to be okay. So, >> did you say you're not allowed to ask for a backup ID? >> Uh, but it's like more than 25 years. So, that's why I >> Is that a rule that you have?
>> Sorry. >> What do you mean you're not allowed to? >> No. No. means like if uh the license is okay and is more than 25 years old uh I didn't ask for the backup ID. If
there's less than 25 years we ask for the backup ID >> and you didn't think it made sense to ask for one here? >> Yes, for that time. >> Okay. All right. I'm not going to spend too much time on this. I think you know what you should have done. Uh,
commissioners, do you have any questions? >> Yeah, just you can ask anyone for back ID if there's any doubt. I mean, they look young. Um, and you don't have to serve them if you have any doubt. So, that's all I have. Thanks, >> no questions.
>> Oh, I think Sergeant Gallagher has a comment. Ju >> just so just so we realize expired ID is not an ID. So, I mean, it's scanned as expired. I mean, you drive a car with it. You can't get on a plane with it. >> Good point.
>> Alcohol with it. So expired's not an ID. Once that expired, that should have been it. >> Yeah. Now I know that expired doesn't work. >> Sure. And and just a comment for me like I think your location and its proximity to colleges and
college bars um and people who would have fake IDs. I think you should really really be putting some other measures in place for your protection because you will end up losing or having to shut down um on a
very busy night when you don't want to. So making these decisions to accept something like an expired license like Sergeant said, it seems foolish and not like a good business plan. I think you should really tighten things up. Um you I think it's well
known that Brighton attracts college kids and the majority of the college population is underage. So >> yeah, moves you to get better at what you're doing because you don't seem to be doing a great job right now. >> Yeah, we're doing very tight on that.
Last year the sergeant was there. uh we didn't find any uh violation at that time and like I said when we get the ID director uh like 95% of the college kids doesn't come anymore
>> and we didn't find like any like the students not they didn't come anymore like 95% that they used to come in >> okay thank you are there any further questions at this time.
Thank you. Uh with that, the board will take this matter under advisement as well. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Those are all of the items before the board this morning and the board is set to vote on Thursday, November 20th at 10 a.m. Notice has been posted to the city's website. That will adjourn this morning's hearing. Thank you all and enjoy the rest of your day.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you.