Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you all for joining. We'll get started in just a moment as we clear the waiting room. As a reminder, when you are entering the waiting room, please do remain on mute unless or until you are uh providing testimony before
the board. Just one moment as we are still clearing the waiting room. Good morning. This is a hearing before the licensing board for the city of Boston. Today is Tuesday, July 15th, 2025. Today's hearing is being held pursuant to temporary amendments to the
open meeting law. That is what allows us to meet virtually. Today's hearing is being recorded and will be posted to the city of Boston's website. Before we review procedural matters, I will introduce chairwoman of the board, Kathleen Joyce. Good morning. My name is Kathleen Joyce. I'm chair of the Boston Licensing Board.
Today, I'm also joined by Commissioner Liam Curran and Commissioner Cana Saxon. Thank you very much. Please ensure that your audio and visuals are working properly if you will be testifying before the board this morning. I will call each item in the order that it
appears on this morning's agenda. I will then ask who is present on behalf of the Lency, who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department, and whether there are any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify. I will then swear in all parties. After that, the police report will be read into the
record and the lency or the representative will have the opportunity to make a brief statement followed by questions by the chair and commissioners. All testimony will be limited only to those individuals with firsthand personal knowledge of the alleged incident. We will be taking one item out
of order this morning uh to accommodate a scheduling request. Uh we will begin this morning with item number two on this morning's agenda. Uh and then moving to the top uh calling item number two CM Diamond Importers LLC located at 1 to4 Winter Place. Date of the incident
March 8th, 2025, assault and battery on a police officer in violation of Mass General Laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13D and an over intoxicated employee off duty in violation of Mass General Laws chapter 138 section 64. Who is present on behalf
of the lency? uh William Burke as attorney for the lency DBA evans and with me is Mark Malatesta the COO and manager. Great. Thank you. Who is president on behalf of the Boston Police Department?
Sorry, it's a little difficult to hear you there. Um, do you uh try one more time? Officer Jo Gonzalez is down at district D4. Great. Thank you, Officer Gonzalez. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the allegianc who wish to testify?
I believe this that officer is for number two, the screen. Yes, we are on number two right now. This is Ivon. I think she's doing rock bottom. Oh, sorry. Yeah, officer. We're Yeah, we're starting out of order with number two. Uh, Detective Gallagher can read this if the officer is not here.
Great. Thank you, Sergeant. Detective Gallagher, are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of this incident who wish to testify? Can you please raise your right hand? Do you serve to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do.
Thank you. Sergeant Gallagher, if you could please read the report into the record for the board. Yes. Good morning. I'll be reading a Boston Police in report written by officer Rosar Gerard. On about 8:57 p.m. on Sunday, March 8th, 2025, officers
Tavvaris and Gerard in the Alpha 202 responded to radio call for removal at two Winter Place, Boston, Mass. Also assisted was Office Meski in the Alpha 425. Upon arrival, officer observed two male employees holding down the suspect.
later identified as Patrick Murphy. Date of birth 12795 due to him being heavily intoxicated and causing disturbance inside the restaurant on a busy Saturday night. Two meals stated that they work at the restaurant and Mr. Murphy showed
up to work stay off intoxicated and caused a disturbance. Officers informed Mr. Murphy to leave Ivon but refused numerous times. One of the male employees stated that the suspect has been has a drinking problem and when the staff tried to get him home
safely, he became aggressive with staff. Officers repeatedly asked Mr. Murphy to leave and attempted to help him call an Uber on his phone. Officers had to physically escort Mr. Murphy out and told him he cannot come back to the restaurant tonight.
It should be noted that Mr. Murphy was clearly visibly intoxicated, was making incomplete and incoherent statements throughout the interaction. Mr. Murphy was unsteady on his feet and was off offbalance, stumbling when he tried to walk. Mr. Murphy then went around the
corner and went to straight and tried to access the restaurant from behind the building via the back alley. Officers continue to try to help Mr. Murphy and call him an Uber on his phone, but Mr. Murphy kept taking his phone out and then putting it back into his pocket. Officers were attempting to deescalate
the situation and assist Mr. Murphy in a respectful and cordial manner, but Murphy was continuing to cause a disturbance on Winter Street and rejecting every officer's attempt to get him home safely. Murphy on multiple occasions bumped officers with body and approached personal space in a
confrontational manner. Murphy was also grabbing officer's arms and hands and tensing his body while doing so. At this point, the female general manager of Avon joined officers to try to get Murphy home safely, but Murphy became agitated as well with her. The general
manager then asked officers if they could arrest Mr. Murphy because he was being disrespectful to his officers and her. General manager also stated that she was going to have to fire whoever let Murphy into the bar intoxicated. Officers then started to escort Murphy to the wagon, drive from home to Malden
to resolve disturbance because Murphy was uncooperative and unwilling to accept officer's assistance. During the approach to the wagon, Murphy grabbed Officer Javarus's left shoulder area and wrapped his hand around officer Javar's department issued radio shoulder
microphone cord. Mr. Murphy then grabbed Officer Gerard's right hand and attempt to twist it. Officers broke free from Mr. Murphy's attempt to place in handcuffs. Curry tensed up his body once more. Officers Gerardis Meski were able to place Murphy into handcuffs. Officer Dvarus and Gerard transported Mr. Murphy
to Nash Street jail for booking. Upon arrival at the jail, Murphy refused to participate in any part of the booking process. Officers placed Mr. Murphy in a cell to get him to sober up. Calm down. At this time, this report being written, Mr. Murphy is still refusing booking
process at Nashville. Mr. Murphy will be charged at boss mal court with the following. Disorderly conduct A and B and a police officer in resisting arrest. Officer informed Sergeant Wallace the alpha 904 incident occurred inside a license premise license premise
inspection code 35 will be conducted at a later time. Believe I do have Robert Wallace's report. Well, on 3:15 at about 12:30 a.m. Captain William Samaris the gold 837 officer
Scott O'Brien the gold 808 responded to a vans at two place conducted license premise inspection related to an incident that occurred on 3825. Detectives issued LPV number 037 813 for ABPO which is assault and battery police
officer and an over intoxicated employee off duty. Raphael Babar Roa signed and accepted the violation and there were no other incidents observed. And that is that report. Thank you very much. Attorney Burke, would you like to address the alleged incident?
Uh only uh briefly. Uh, Sergeant Detective Gallagher, um, I know you weren't present, but from all indications from the original report of the incident that evening, were the, uh, staff and folks at Yvon's cooperative with the Boston Police Department uh, in
this incident? Yes, sure, they were. And, uh, and likewise on issuing the citation that states specifically that they cooperated uh, they accepted the violation and cooperated during the inspection. Correct. Correct. Sir,
thank you. I have no further questions for uh Sergeant Detective Gallagher, Mr. Green. Um on behalf of Ivons, I'm going to ask Mark Melata to step up. Um but I would like just like to clarify because
it's not really clear from the from from the reading of the police report, but uh Mr. Murphy, who was an employee, was not working on this Saturday, the 8th of March of 25. He was in had uh
we've got his we've got a a receipt we can show you if you wish uh provide to the board, but he came in and uh and had a uh a bite to eat and a single drink. We have the uh the check for that
incident. Um, we uh we will uh and I'll submit to you we also have a video that's available that reflects him coming into the premises and the property that evening to uh to have that and it demonstrates rather clearly I
think and I'll push it over to the board that uh that he was not stumbling or anything else like that. So with that those little bit of clarifications I'll let Mr. Malatesta testify. Uh Mr. Malatesta, enter up and state your name for the record, please.
Yes, my name is Mark Malatesta. What's your position with Yvon's uh the the owner and manager? Okay. Uh on the night in question the 8th of March of 25. Uh did you employ in some capacity this individual uh Patrick
Murphy? Yes. Was he working that evening or that day? No. And what was his what was his status in the restaurant at the time in question in the evening? Um he was a good employee. He was a server for us for over three years. Um
no previous incidents, no previous um you know real writeups or anything. This was very out of left field for us. Did you did you understand him to have any sort of a drinking problem at all? No. All right. And on the evening in question, do you know how long he was in
your restaurant prior to this incident commencing? About 45 minutes total. And does does your the check for the uh food and drink that he had reflect that he had a plate of food and a single drink, a cosmopolitan? Well, he did. He
ordered a um plate of meatballs and a drink and then ordered a second cocktail, which is when they noticed that he was showing signs of intoxication, and they offered to drive him home um you know, get him where he needs to be because obviously something had changed in that quick period of
time. I'm not sure what what it was, but um he walked in on his own two feet looking normal and things changed very quickly when we addressed the situation. Did you was he served the second drink that he requested? I believe it was served and then that's when they noticed
that there was an issue and and asked him to to take off. I can't tell you if if he had a sip of it or not. I'm not I'm unsure. Okay. But they they pulled it and they didn't uh they didn't charge him for that drink. Right. I don't know if he paid for the tab at all to be honest with you. Okay. And uh with regard to what
occurred next thereafter, is it your understanding that that your staff made attempts to sort of deescalate the situation and get Mr. Murphy home safely. Yes. As soon as we um told him that he needed to leave the premises and we'd
help him, he got combative and very aggressive with the staff. Um our security guard arrived around 8 8:00 p.m. Um so he assisted with at that point and you know he wouldn't refused to leave the building, refused to leave the lobby of the host stand, which is where he was sitting in that chair and the staff was kind of holding him down
because he was being aggressive towards guests and other staff members. And before it even got to that point, that that aggression that you you've described, had not your staff telephoned into the Boston Police Department uh appropriately to get their assistance?
Yes. When he refused to leave, they called the uh the police and the police uh sub sub I'm sorry, subsequently responded as is reflected in the report that was read into the record by uh Sergeant Detective Gallagher. Is that correct?
Correct. And I I do have any information that the uh the incident proceeded otherwise than as has been reported in the report from the Boston Police Department read by um uh Sergeant Detective Gallagher. No, the only thing that's not noted in
there and the board will will can take note of this. We did go through a full staff retraining. anyone's whose tips were about to expire, we had them done already and spoke to everyone about, you know, no matter who it is, if they're showing any signs of intoxication, at any point speak up whether you're a
host, a food runner, or a server serving himself. What's Mr. Murphy's current status with Ivons? Uh, he was terminated after this incident as a result of this incident. That's correct. Okay. Um, I don't have any further
questions of this witness, Mr. Green. Thank you. Then anything further before we move to questions from the board? We will see if there are any questions at this time. Chairman Joyce, thank you. So, uh, Mr. Murphy was scheduled to work that night. No.
No. Okay. He wasn't. No, he was he was never he didn't work that day at all. He came in in the evening about 45 minutes before this incident occurred and uh and uh come in for a bite to eat and a drink. That's all. had not been in there prior to that
that day. So, you're gonna So, the statement in the police report that two males stated that they work at the restaurant and Mr. Murphy showed up to work on his day off. Oh, he showed up to work at work on his day off. Okay. I think they were just describing it. He
came to his workplace on his day. Yeah. All right. Thank you. No. Um I don't have any other questions at this time. Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh I have no questions. I uh you are going to submit the video, right? Yes. Okay. Thank you.
No questions from me. Thank you. Thank you very much. I will make sure video is forwarded to the board as soon as is received and uh the board will take this under advisement at this time. Thank you. Many thanks to all. Thank you. Thank you. Moving back to the top of this morning's agenda. Calling item
number one, Rock Bottom Group LLC. Doing business as Rock Bottom Restaurant and Brewery located at 115 Stewart Street. Date of the incident, February 26th, 2025. Assault and battery patron on employee in violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A. And assault and battery
employee on patron in violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A. Who is present on behalf of the lency? Uh me. Thank you Mr. Herrera for joining us this morning. Um, who is president on
behalf of the Boston Police Department? That was officer Gonzalez, correct? Yes, I believe so. Officer, you may have arosen. Are you still with us? Yes, sir. Correct. Can you hear me? Thank you. Yes, we can hear you now. Are
there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the allegiance incident who wish to testify this morning? Can you both please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes.
Officer Gonzalez? Yes, I do. Okay, great. Thank you. Could you please read the report to the record for the board? On Wednesday, February 26, 2025, at about 10:17 p.m., officers responded to radio call for assault and battery in
progress at the Rock Bottom restaurant on 115 Stewart Street. On arrival, officers observed the victim, which is a manager, Guan Herrera, and the suspect, Thomas Savage, having a verbal dispute outside. Officers observed a cut on Herrera's left hand, knuckles, but he
refused the MS. Herrera stated that the suspect had been asked to leave the restaurant prior but refused to. After being served a total of two alcoholic beverages, the suspect had gotten up and left the restaurant without paying. Here followed the suspect outside, which is
when the suspect punched him on the upper left shoulder. Here stated that he defended himself by punching the suspect back in the face. The suspect was seen to be highly impaired and was unable to answer any further questions regarding the altercation. He refused Boston EMS
due to her to head pain which resulted in no arrest but a summon for chapter 26513A assault. Are you still with us? Hey, can you hear me? Yep. Sorry, but was that the entirety of the report? There seems to be more here.
Uh, there's actually more. Um, three times actually I asked him to leave. Um, y we'll get we'll get to you in just a moment. Sergeant Gallagher, I don't know if you have the remainder of the report. Yes, sir. I can uh I can read the uh the supplemental was written by uh Sergeant
Detective Lucas Tax. Have I've been previously sworn, but I'll read it as follows. On 31205 at about 12:15 a.m., Sergeant Detective Lucas Taxer, Detective William Samaris conducted a license premise inspection at Rock Bottom at 115 Stewart Street.
Detectives issued license premise inspection notice number 03789. Assault and battery patron on employee and assault and battery employee on patron man Juan Herrera accepted signed for the notice and cooperated during the inspection. No other violations were
observed. Mr. Herrera was asked to preserve any video footage of previous incident and that is uh Sergeant Tax's report. Thank you very much. We'll go to Mr. Herrera now if you would like to address the alleged incident.
Um so the part of the um the guest was there um he ordered uh I believe was onion rings and two drinks. He tried to leave without paying and my employee Emanuel
that actually he was one of the ones that saw everything. Uh he ran to stop the guest and pulled back in. I was not in the floor at that moment. I was in the offices on the second floor. Um I
got noticed right after like you know the whole situation happened. Guys left with no issue. He paid the bill. Second time walked in. He sat in one of the tables. I said to the to the gentleman um I'm sorry but at this moment we cannot serve you. You try to leave
already without paying. Um and then he walked out totally fine. This is table 113. Second time he walked in again, table 121. He start insulting me. I said to him, I already spoke to you once and um
I'm not going to repeat it again. I'm just going to ask you to leave. If you don't leave, I'm just going to call 911. He keep insulting me like F plus words. Um so I tried to fake that I was calling 911. He left the place and
there was actually an officer right in front of the building. No. Um, so keep going. Uhhuh. Okay. So, second time that I asked him um to leave. This is table 101 121. Um,
repeat it again. So, he keep insulting me. I asked him to leave that that was the second time I asked to leave. He didn't want to leave. So, I try to like, you know, grab the phone, fake it that like I'm trying to call 911. Um he left the building. There was um police
officer a car right in front of the building. No. Um there was not for us. He was just standing in there. Left without no issue. This third time he walked in and sat table 151 and I'm in the bar helping my
bartender cuz he's a little backed up. I made some cut off uh employees cuz you know short um no business at all. So he walked in 151. I walked in again towards him. I said I already asked you once twice and I'm just going to call the
police on you. He got up and starts insulting me. He trying to fake towards like trying to punch me. Um I call 911 right away. I'm on the phone with them trying to describe the uh the guest towards the officer um and the dispatch.
I'm going a little faster, but the guy keep faking or and the you um the dispatch person uh trying to calm me down and I said really can't
calm down that much cuz he's like trying to fake towards me. Uh did he have something? I said I don't know. He's just trying to hit me. Um he opened the door. He keep going over and over. I'm in the phone trying to describe the uh
to the officer. He opened the door. That's not the front door. That's my emergency door. He opened the door and he tried to let it go. I got close to the door. I'm with my left hand holding the door and with my right hand holding the phone and out of nowhere, the guy
literally just hit me. I had my phone on my right hand and I covered my face. He hit me in the shoulder. I don't know what he hit me with. I was bleeding on this hand and I don't know where he just he didn't fall on the floor. He just
kind of lost his balance. He didn't have his glasses and I tried to gra the glasses like the length cuz he dropped it and then the glasses was in the other side and I'm like he's like I'm looking for my glasses. I'm like sir you have it right there. He's like fwords to me like
shut up shut up. And I'm like, and then I turn around, I see the the officers coming towards me. I pick up my phone cuz my phone is on the floor. I hold up the phone and I'm like, "Officers are here. I'm just going to hang up. Thank you so much." I
hang up. I got out of the building. My employee Emanuel is literally behind me. Behind Emanuel. How do you say that? I'm sorry. took um some stuff that I Manuel saw and then the other officer's uh taking one from me.
Third officer is going towards him and he's just yelling and going crazy and I'm like his glasses are behind him and he's he's slipped and uh one of the officers and I should be okay. Just going to wash my hands and put a bandit. I should be
okay. That's it. And then he just start yelling and yelling and going crazy. Um, from there they just call an ambulance and they took him. That was it. Thank you uh very much. Um, and just before we move on to questions of the
board, just apologies for what just occurred. Um, all of those individuals have been reported uh to Zoom and we will be following up with Boston police uh for an investigation of what just happened as we did last time this happened uh on a entertainment hearing. Um, that turn it over to the board uh to
see if there are any questions at this time. Chairman Joyce, Danny, I can't turn my video on, but I don't have any questions at this time. Um, do you have any video of this, Mr. Herrera? No, sir. Absolutely not. No front of the
house video. There's a uh camera outside the building, but um I don't think it can catch it cuz there's a problem in that corner. um from the right side, but I don't think it's too far away.
Okay. And I don't have no cameras inside the building. I only have cameras in my kitchen and on on my office. Okay. And um that outside camera, is that your camera though? No, sir. It's the um transportation building uh camera.
Okay. Uh I have no other questions. Thank you. No questions at this time. um only to suggest that maybe cameras would be helpful on the inside. That's a good idea. General manager was actually thinking about that. Um especially cuz we're in downtown and a
high crime area and so many issues been happening. Uh homeless walking in basically on the building. Thank you. If there are no further questions then the board will take this matter under advisement at this time. Thank you very much. Calling item number three, The Great
Escape, Inc. doing business as Chubs Taco and Tequila Bar located at 750 to 754 Adam Street in Dorchester. Date of the incident, May 2nd, 2025. Assault and battery patron on employee in violation of Mass General Laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A. And
assault and battery patron on patron in violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A. Who is present on behalf of the lency? I am Carrie Sanche. Thank you for being with us. Who's
president on behalf of the Boston Police Department? Detective William Gallagher will read it if uh the officers are not here. Thank you. Are there any other individuals present with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident?
Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Yes. Thank you. Sergeant Detective Gallagher, if you could please read the report to the record for the board. Yes. Morning. I'll be reading from a Boston, please. In report that was written by Officer Brian Rouan at uh 10:09 p.m. on
Friday 52 2025. Officer Ruan and Welter in the Harry 104 responded to radio call for a large fight at 750 Adam Street at Chubs Restaurant, Dorchester. Also this morning was the Harry 914 Sergeant
Katon. The Harry 436 officer Schmuck, officer 202 Palanco and Rosario Garcia, the Alpha 435 McCarthy, the Alpha 103 Tahada and Lulu, and the Alpha 425
Lopes. On arrival, officers were flagged down by a witness, Jessica Kennedy, who stated that she observed a group of females fighting and arguing inside of 750 Adam Street and pointed a group of females walking towards Sarinac Street.
Two of the females fled officers and left the vehicle towards Ashmont Street. Officers Welter attempted to stop the suspect, Tyler Ross, who was ignoring Officer Welter's verbal commands to stop. The suspect then turned around and
struck Officer Welter with an open hand on his right shoulder. Officer Welter then placed suspect Ross under arrest. Suspect was uncooperative with officers. What happened inside 750 Adam Street? officers spoke to another female of the group, Shante Ross, who was
uncooperative on scene and said girls were fighting inside the restaurant and she helped break it up. Officers entered the restaurant, observed a large amount of broken glass around the bar area of the restaurant. All females were extremely uncooperative on scene and refused to provide identifications and
details about the op about the altercation that had taken place. Sergeant 914. Uh, Sergeant Keaton conducted a license premise check of the restaurant number 021428. Kyler Ross was placed under arrest and
transport to D4 without incident. Kyler Ross will be charged with the following. Uh, assault and battery on a police officer. Believe that is it. I don't think there's a supplemental. Let me double check. Uh, that is it. The uh violation was written for uh assault and
battery uh patron on employee in violation of mass general law. Also assault and battery uh patron on patron uh and not those reports. Thank you very much. Miss Santry, would you like to address the alleged incident? Um, yes, I can just say so the party
that was fighting, they all were together at one large table and they started arguing amongst themselves at which time the manager on duty had asked them to lower their voices and they did not take that direction very well. So they, you know, started swiping glasses
off of the table and arguing with each other. Um, he did try to get in between them because it seemed like it was some of them were related or something like that, like maybe a mother or daughter. He was trying to get between them and he got shoved. Um, and then we were able to
remove them from the building. I can say that we didn't have security on that night. Uh, we typically don't see a lot of late night business on Friday and Saturdays at Chubs, but uh, since then we have added security every Friday and Saturday night. Thank you. Anything uh further you'd
like to add before we move to questions from the board? No. Okay. With that, we'll see if there are any. Chairman Joyce, any questions right now? No. I might have some questions after. I'll wait till the other commissioners speak. Thank you. Um how long had it be from the time that
it started to the time that you were able to get them out of out of the building? I believe it was less than five minutes. Okay, that's all I have. Thank you. Um, no further questions. No. Thank you, chair. Any questions at this
time? Um, it may have been covered, but how long were was this group in the license premise? Do you know? Uh, they were here for about hour and a half to two hours. They came in and had um dinner. I believe they were celebrating a special occasion. That's
why it was like a family group. So, they came in and had dinner and a couple drinks, but they were here for in between an hour and a half to two hours. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. And the board will take this matter under adisement as well. Thank
you very much. Calling item number four, Concord Entertainment, Inc. doing business as Bill's Bar, Landown Pub, located at 9 Landown Street. Date of the incident February 9th, 2025. Assault and battery employee on patron
in violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 and chapter 265 section 13A. Who is present on behalf of the Lency? Good morning, Attorney Green. Excuse me, Madam Chair, members of the board. Dennis Quilty, attorney representing the
Lency with us this morning. Anthony Chuga, who is the manager on duty on the night in question, Katina Corpines, who's the uh risk management person for the Lance Group. Good morning. Thank you. Thank you. Um I don't see Mr. Chugga, but I believe he may be on here as Tony.
If so, I've just asked you to start your video. Yeah, I'm here. It's just not allowing me to get my camera on. Okay. I've just asked you to start a video. Something should have showed up on your screen. So, um we'll give you a moment to take care of that. Who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department?
Anthony, here we go. Sergeant Detective Gallagher is here. If uh there's no one, thank you. And are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify this morning?
Yes. Hi. Um I was the victim of the assault. I'm Jaden Shaw. Great. Thank you, Mr. Shaw, for being with us. Um with that, can you all please raise your right hand? Thank you. Uh, Miss Corbines, if you're planning to testify, please raise your
right hand for the board. Thank you. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Great. Thank you. And Mr. Shia, you as well to say I do. Oh, I do. Thank you. Great. Uh, Sergeant Gallagher, if you could please uh read the report into the record for the
board. Yes. Good morning. and I'll be reading from a Boston police report by officer Galis at about 3:40 a.m. on Sunday 29:25. Officer Hollis, while assigned to the front desk of District 4, took a walk-in
simple assault report that occurred at the Landown Pub located at 9 Ltown Street, Boston. Jaden Hio's victim stated that he arrived at the above mentioned location around 1:00 a.m. on 29:25 to meet up
with his friends so that they could Uber home together. A sale victim stated that while he was waiting outside, he called his friend Paul Lee, victim number two, who was inside. Seo stated that Lee exited the bar and they both were waiting for the rest of their group when
the bounces suspects approached them. Seo stated that the bouncer asked both of the victims if they were going inside of the bar or staying outside. Seo stated that the bouncer then proceeded to push him and he almost fell to the ground. Seo stated that both of the
victims then overheard the bouncer say something along the lines, "Do they think they know kung fu?" to the other staff members of the bar. Seo stated that they they asked the bouncer if they could go inside the bar while they wait for the Uber to arrive to which the
bouncer replied, "Fuck you. I'll punch you in the face." All pointing at each of them. Stated that the rest of the group came outside and they confronted the bouncer. Stated an allocation ensued and the bouncer grabbed Lee by the collar of his jacket, pushed him up
against the car and punched Lee in the face with a closed fist. Lee stated that his nose began to bleed and need a small cut across the bridge of his nose. Both do and Lee declined EMS. Seo described the bounce as a black male, approximately 5'7, 200 lb and wearing a
black jacket. Uh that is the end of that report. This is the second one that was written by uh Sergeant I'm sorry, Detective Gavon and it reads as follows. Uh Wednesday 3525 detectives Kavan and Texera conducted a
code 35 at Landown Public License premise inspection number violation 039385 was issued for employee on patron A and B in violation of the incident that occurred on 2925. Uh and that's all reports sorry there's
a good one here. Uh also um Detective Gavon looks like a followup. Uh, victims stated that they no longer wish to pursue charges against the suspect identified as Terrell Bradshaw, blackmail DB7194
94. That's it. Thank you. Attorney Quilty, would you like to address the alleged incident? If I may, first and foremost, um, Detective Sergeant Gallagher, the last report you read indicated that the victims wish to
not pursue charges against anyone. Is that correct? That's, uh, in Detective Gavan's notes. Yes. And in his um, I think it was his report, his was the inspection notice. Uh, the management cooperated with the police according to that um, license
premise inspection notice. Correct. They did, sir. Okay. Um, and I know you you were not present. You're reading a report of another, but I we do uh we did provide video of this. I presume you wouldn't be aware of that, but if the board is not, we will uh we've saved it
and we'll provide that again to you. Um, so um, Sergeant Gallagher, this is a walk-in report, correct, sir? And, uh, this people apparently who made the walk-in report shortly thereafter decided they were not going to pursue the matter. Is that correct? Yes.
Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. I have no further questions of the uh sergeant detective. Is the other individual going to testify? Uh yes. Um just to clarify in the police report, I think the two names were miss
um flipped. So um for Paul Lee, it was meant to be Jaden and then for Jaden was meant to be Paul Lee. Um, uh, basically how it happened that night, um, I was already in the bar and Paul came around 1:00 a.m. Um, shortly after I tried to
exit and to go get him. Um, as I was exiting, I was pushed out the bar and told I couldn't come back in. Um, and we shortly called an Uber and we were waiting to get inside the Uber. Um, and then after that, my uh, Paul was talking
more to the bouncers and whatever. Um, and then the bouncers then turned around to each other and said, "Do you think these chinks um know kung fu and can we fight them?" Um, we overheard that. Um, talked to him a
little. We weren't looking for any confrontation, nothing like that. Um, and then the bouncer basically grabbed me by my collar and my hoodie. Uh, pushed me against the car and basically said, "I'm going to punch you." and he
punched me against the car. Um yeah, and that was that. I We didn't do anything. We just kind of walked away afterwards. And this was all around um 1:40 a.m. May I question the uh witness?
Yeah. Um so, and you're you are Mr. Sia. Is that how you pronounce it? Shaw. Yeah. Shiao. Okay. Um, if I were to tell you that the video I mentioned would show that there were no punches
thrown whatsoever other than a few pushes between you, your party, and the bouncers. Um, could that change your story here at all this morning? No, that would not change my story. I have um photos of my nose bleeding from
the incident and also there's medical records of me going to the hospital the next day. Went through all of that uh uh difficulty. Why is it that the one of you at least wish they no longer wish to
no longer pursue charges? Well, we just thought like, you know, it happened, but then this licensing board hearing came across, so we thought, you know, it's better if we show up and tell our story as well. Um, but then for the charges part, we're students, you know,
um, we don't want to go through the whole process and pursue those charges. Okay. Um, so you have dropped any charges? We have dropped the we we never pursued any criminal charges. We just made we
just filed a police report and basically the detective told me that they would go talk to the manager um on at Landown. Okay. And try to sort it out. Okay. And let me just ask you, you
indicated in your testimony that the uh people at the establishment were using basically racial slurs against you. Is that correct? Yes. Because we have indication, you'll hear from Mr. Chuga, that the um staff people
would testify that you and your friends were using the n-word and using racial slurs against these people. Well, that's not true from their part. Well, your your report about chinks is true and theirs about nword is not true.
I don't I don't know what else to tell you but from my side of the story. And were you told when you went out, were you told that you would not be allowed back in because of the time of the night that it was that at around
1:00 they stopped letting people in? Were you not told that? We were told that and that's why we were prepared to leave. Um it was snowing and blizzarding that night. Um and we basically called an Uber and we
weren't looking for any escalation. We really weren't trying to go back in. We were just trying to leave. The Uber took a while to come because of the snow and everything. Um so I mean this happened like we exited the establishment like probably like 1:20. So we were only outside for like 20 minutes um before
you know I got hit in the face. Um, and you know, like there was really nowhere else to go but to stand outside and wait. So, was it your testimony that for merely standing outside the individual just came up and punched you?
No. Um, I mean, you know, we over trying to get back in. We We asked why we couldn't go back in, right? What's We asked why we couldn't go back in. They told us why. And then we were like, "Okay, then let's call an Uber." and they we overheard them say
something um you know those racial slurs and then after that you know we were a little bit upset so we confronted them a little bit um and then the whole thing got escalated from there. So were you um were you a little upset
because you were told you couldn't go back in because it was 1:00 and they stopped letting people in. Why didn't you just go get wait for your Uber and leave? I mean I was a little upset. Yeah, of course. I mean, we were upset that we couldn't go back in because my friend
just came and he was waiting outside to come in. Um, I was already inside, so I came out to see him. And then we had other friends that were still inside as well. We had two other friends that were still inside. Um, but at the end of the night, it was like, yeah, if we were
told we can't go back in, then there was nothing else we could do, right? And we weren't looking for a fight. We weren't looking for anything. We were just trying to wait for our Uber. it was snowing outside and we were just trying to leave. But then I think what pushed the limits was us hearing that
statement. Um then we kind of talked to the bouncers more and we were like, "Hey, look, like that's not a nice thing to say, you know." Um really, we weren't trying to fight at all. Like we weren't trying to do anything. And I mean, you can look at the footage more. Um you can see that I
got punched in the face and as soon as that happened, we walked away. And obviously I'm angry as he's grabbing me by my collar or pushing me against the car, right? And I'm bound to say like, "What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?" Right? Um, and that's what I
said. Um, and after you uh after I said that, you clocked me in the face and my nose started bleeding and then I proceeded to walk away from the establishment with my friend. So, you were you knew that the staff
were were not allowing people back in after 1:00 or thereabouts? You were told that directly, correct? Yes, I was told that. So, having been told that directly before anything else happened, why did you not simply call your Uber, wait for
your Uber, and leave? Why did you go back and confront people? I don't understand that. Uh because you could have just left. You could have called your Uber and left, right? But you know, we could have we could have went to the moon, too, right?
Um no, like look, we overheard the we overheard the bouncers make a insulting statement. And to me, you know, that's just not something that's right. And you know, as professionals
working in working in the risk management scene, I feel like there should be some sort of standard um you know, that we should respect each other, especially at a place like a Fenway bar. That would mean that you or anyone in
your party would not use the n-word to taunt these people. Is that correct? We would. Are there standards for you, too? Of course, there's standards for us, too. Um, and we did not use the N word. I can promise you that.
Very good. Thank you, sir. Thank you, too. Does the board have any questions for uh this item for Mr. Shaw before we move to the lency? I don't know. Attorney Golding, you may continue. Yes. Thank you. Um, I'm going to call
Mr. Chug in a moment, but I want that the board to be aware that the incident as is indicated in the violation notice was not called into the police. And there's a very uh understandable reason for that. The staff people who were
involved in this um situation did not inform anyone on management on the night in question or subsequently that this incident had occurred. The management was completely unaware until the off the detectives came with the violation
notice uh sometime subsequently to this incident. Uh as a result, the employees were fired uh not for the underlying incident itself, but rather for not telling management that this had occurred so that management could do the
right thing and call the police. Um, having said that, it is our opinion that these individuals you just heard from uh began the confrontation, egged on the confrontation are and are equally responsible. We have uh video which
again has been given to the police department. Uh we have a copy if the board is not in receipt of it, we'll send to you. Uh it appears to our viewing that there were no punches thrown. uh you will hear testimony that these individuals indeed did call uh the
staff people racial slurs uh which probably led to um you know this confrontation. U and it appears from again from what we observed in the video that this was nothing more than a pushing match between uh these two groups of people. But they had been told
before anything occurred they've been told we cannot allow you back in. It's our protocol after this particular time of the night. We don't allow people back in. So, either stay in or leave, but once you leave, you're not going back in. They knew that. They could have
complied with that. They could have called their Uber and they could have left. They didn't. Um, I may uh call Mr. Chuga. You're here. I saw you. Would you identify yourself, Mr. Chuga? Yeah. So, my name is Anthony Chuga. I'm the uh I'm the one of the managers at
the Lands Down Pub. I was actually the manager working that night of this incident. All righty. And um you heard the the so-called victim just testify. Uh did you uh what information did you glean uh that led up to this incident?
Um so as you stated about the footage before um there should be a part where you you'll see me enter the enter the camera angle. Um I see something like I see words being exchanged so I walk over. I tell the door I got to back up for a second.
Um, and the patron and his friend were in the in the door guy's face when I told him to back up. And Anthony, you're breaking up. Anthony, you're breaking up. Can you hear me?
Can you hear me? Yeah. Sorry. Can you hear me now? Yep. Okay. So, um, when I walked up, I saw these the the patron and his friend in the door guy's um personal space and
they were very elevated. They were they were yelling. So, I stepped in between them and I told the door guy to back up for a second just to go inside that I'd take care of it. When I spoke to these guys, they were upset that they couldn't get back in. And I explained to them, well, our protocol is after 1:00 a.m. we
don't allow anybody back in the building unless they're working, um, management, something like that. But after 1:00 a.m., our our protocol is we do not allow anybody back in the building. As people leave, we let them know there's no re-entry. There's no re-entry. I literally I I I drill that into my guys'
heads just so that things like this don't happen. Um, people can always choose to leave. at least at the very least we try to let them know that there is no re-entry. Uh so after explaining that to them, I asked, "Okay, how are we getting home tonight? I know it's snowing. It's starting to snow. How do
we get home tonight? Are we calling an Uber? Did we drive?" And this they were able to calm down and they said, "Look, we're just going to call an Uber. We're going to get out of here." We have friends in there. Is there anything we can do? They did try to come in a couple times with me and I just explained to them that the rule is the rule. Um I
can't bend that rule for anybody. Once um we we were there talking for a bit, I told them, "Hey, why don't we just call an Uber? Let's just call an Uber." They pulled out the Uber app. We shook hands. At that time, another gentleman inside had slipped and fell
and um actually hurt his eye. So, I was called away to deal with that. But in the camera footage, you will see that I shake these guy's hands. It seemed to me it was deescalated. I had left the door guy inside. I told him not to go back outside. Uh
these guys crossed the street, they went away. I thought that was it. Um lo and behold, every single night we actually have a security meeting. We debrief of any incidents that may have happened, anything that we could have done better. We do that every single weekend, every single night. Um as some of you may
know, we do have security every single night. Um, so once they left, I explained to them, hey, I just I had a kid fall fall down inside. I got to make sure he's okay. Are you guys okay? Yes. Okay, cool. We shook hands. We we parted ways. I go
inside. I grab a clean rag for the kid who just fell. Um, I called I I offered EMT services and that was the end of that. The police, the ambulance came for the kid. They took him to the hospital. That was the end of that.
nothing nothing was told to us in that meeting at the end of the night. Our protocol, like I said, is every single night we debrief with the entire security stuff. Um, and nothing of of this was brought up to me as far as after they had left that I thought that
they had left. We literally shook hands on camera. Um, they seemed like they weren't upset anymore. couple I don't know how long how much longer it was after, but the um the detective came in, did a license premise check, we complied with him, gave him
everything he needed to know. We got all the camera footage. We immediately started working on incident reports. Um and like you stated previously, this door guy was let go because he didn't follow the protocol as far as giving the information of what happened
after to management staff so that we could do the right thing and call police. um even offer medical services if it's needed just because that's our protocol and because that wasn't followed then I I couldn't keep this specific door guy on. Um but he did
explain to me that the reason that it got so bad was because he was being after they left they came back and they were calling him racial slurs. Uh really giving it to him and he just said that he couldn't he couldn't handle it. He tried to move them off the property and when they were moving uh the snow they
they slipped and bumped heads. Um and I'm pretty sure you can see that in the footage. But as far as everything goes, that's that's all the information I have. May I just ask a question, Mr. Green? Right. Um Anthony, so when you shook hands and you
went to take care of the other person inside, was it your assumption that the in there was no incident to report that nothing had happened to that point and therefore you went about your business? Correct. So and then subsequently is when you found out there was a physical
confrontation. It was afterwards, like I said, when once the um I think Kina, our risk manager, emailed me saying that there was um a violation ticket coming our way, which I had no idea about. Every single time there's
something that happens like that, one, we call the police, we offer medical services, and we file incident reports the night of. Um we try to we save the camera footage, but like I said, because as far as I knew, we shook hands. They were waiting for an Uber.
That's where I had left it. I thought we completely deescalated it. I thought it was no longer a problem. Um, but after finding out, after investigating, we realized that these guys came back and antagonized our door guy.
So, had you known, would you have called the police? Absolutely. Absolutely. We do that every single time. even if some if especially if someone gets hurt. Like I said, I had already called an ambulance before. I have no problem calling an ambulance when someone gets hurt. Um
try to do the right thing. Make sure safety is our number one thing. Um whether there's whether it's an aggressor, we still got to make sure everybody's okay. I would have absolutely called police. I would have called EMT if I known that this happened that it went to this extent.
Thank you, Anthony. The commissioners may have some questions for you. Hold on there. Thank you. We'll see if the board has any questions for the lency, the victim, or the police at this time. Uh, Commission Chairwoman Joyce. Yes. Um, if you wouldn't mind forwarding the video to the board. We have not
received it. Yes, ma'am. I don't know if this is for you, Attorney Quilty or Miss Corbines or for Anthony, but we have now requested twice written confirmation of deescalation training. Um, we requested that in
December 2024. We never received it. We requested it again on the record in April 2025 and we said that had to be received within 30 days. We have not received it. So this is another request. Yes, ma'am. And we I would like that within the next
24 hours. Otherwise, we'll be having a hearing on why we have not received written confirmation of this training. It appears that there the testimony today is that you do do training and you break down every night and every weekend, but the board wants to see this training because obviously there's some lapses in the training if we're here
again requesting this now for the third time. So I consider this something very serious that you've either ignored it, you haven't seen it as being important enough, or you just don't do it. So um I will be looking for that training. It's something I think the team there needs
to put some time into and to get that to us immediately. Yes, we'll do. Sorry, chairman. I will I will get that to you before the end of the day. Thank you. And I will send you the video before the
end of the day. I apologize. For some reason, my video is not working or not allowing me to go on camera. Uh, hang on one moment. Yeah, I disabled folks from video. There we go. You can come back on video.
Yes, I have the surveillance footage. I worked closely with uh, Detective Goan. I've worked with him in several other instances when he's needed uh, surveillance footage for D4 in the Lands Down Street area. I will be able to send you all that footage. Um, in addition, I
know the victims uh no longer did decided not to press charges um against the um asalant uh which was one of the security staff members. Um the video will show that no
punches were thrown. Uh the video will also show it started um I'm not sure I understand that according to the victim there was some confusion of uh the names of the two victims in the situation but uh the video starts at
10:03 a.m. on uh Saturday 29 where a Asian male wearing a dark blue or black hoodie and blue jeans and white sneakers approaches the pub entrance is in denied act denied entrance. I'm not sure if this is the victim that is at the
hearing or his friend. Um but this goes on from 1:00 a.m. till uh for at least a half an hour. um it wasn't 20 minutes.
Um and prior to uh prior to the um employees being terminated for not following protocol, uh Mr. Terrell did uh this is the man that's being accused of assaulting the
victim. Mr. Terrell did write a uh incident report where he um state that not only was he called racial slurs multiple times, but they also insulted him his size. They called
him a fat n-word. Um, my computer is giving me a a hard time, so I can't pull up um I can't magnify the uh the incident report, but I can also um send
that to the board as well. And I would also like to note that even though the charges there are no criminal charges being pressed here, uh 4 days after the incident took place, we did receive an attorney uh a letter from an attorney's office representing uh the victim
requesting us to notify our insurance carrier as well as save any uh video and documents which we have complied with and our insurance carrier is on notice. it. I'm sorry. Real quick. Is it Mr.
Terrell or Mr. Bradshaw? Sorry. Terrell Bradshaw. Terrell Bradshaw. His name. He has actually testified many times in front of the board for previous incidences.
Yeah, that was one of my questions. Has he was he alleged to have been involved in any of the uh uh several uh alleged assault and battery employee on patrons in the past
like let's say 20 24 25. Yeah, we've provided video surveillance. He's provided testimony. I mean, I can't I don't know off the top of my head all the the the number I don't know off the top of my head the number of violation hearings that uh the pub has been before
the board for in the last year, but Terrell Bradshaw has testified many times on behalf and most of those uh decisions ended up in no violation. whether we know whether was the question
has he been accused is that what yeah I I I suppose we can look through I don't believe he was personally accused security has been accused several times um but in the last year it's okay I'll go back and watch the the
old hearings and uh review the old police reports thank you um just regarding this the scope of the the you when you said it covers 30 minutes. Does it cover does it cooperate what um Tony was saying is that the the
victims crossed the street and then they came back. Is that if I if I can understand the um Sorry. Yeah, let me uh give me let me let me read you some sur I'll read you some excerpts from the narrative because I took notes when I watched uh the surveillance footage. Um, okay. So, at
103, an Asian male who I list as M1 is wearing a dark blue or black hoodie, blue jeans, and white sneakers. He approaches the main entrance of the pub. He's denied entrance because it's after 1:00 a.m. and the staff was no longer admitting patrons. He tries to get the door guy to let him in because his
friends are already inside. You see him on his phone calling and texting. At 107, a second Asian male, M2, who was already inside the pub, comes to the main entrance. He is taller and thinner than M1. He is also wearing a dark hoodie, blue jeans, and white sneakers.
He is trying to convince security to let his friend M1 inside. It was explained to the two men that there was no entry after 1:00 a.m. It was explained to M2 that even though he was already inside, if he left, there would be no re-entry. He walked outside anyway. At 1:10,
Anthony Chuga, brown coat, dark hat, glasses, and dark jeans, comes out to speak to the two males. He stands talking to them for about 10 minutes. He tells Terrell, the security staff person who denied M1 entry, to go inside and take a break. Anthony explains to them that they stopped letting patrons in
after 1:00 a.m. Even though M1 and M2 do not seem happy, they seem to be complying with Anthony. They told him they would call an Uber. Anthony walks back inside. There are other security staff present. And you see the patrons come to the door and getting denied and walking away with no issue. At 1:20, M2
is on his phone, walks away from the front entrance of the pub towards the House of Blues and goes off camera. At 121, Anthony Chuga walks out of the main entrance to the right towards the House of Blues and goes off camera. 122. M2 comes back from where he was and walks
to the front entrance of the pub. 125. Another security staff person leaves the front door and goes inside the pub. 126. Terrell and the security staff person come back and take their positions at the front entrance. In addition to them, there are two to three security staff
members. It looks like there are two other males outside. They appear to be friendly or know M1 and M2. At 128, Terrell walks away from the main entrance towards the sidewalk and stops in front of the white car parked on Landown Street. He turns and looks at
everyone standing at the main entrance. He walks back towards the main entrance and it looks like he is speaking with M1. It is my understanding that M1 was calling the staff all kinds of racial slurs. At 120 I'm sorry. At 128, Terrell
walks away. Um, did I just say that already? Yes, I apologize. Uh, at 128, M2 walks up to Terrell and gets in his face, then puts his hands on his chest. Terrell pushes M2 off of him. M2 slips on the snow, but doesn't fall. M2 comes
back into Terrell's face. Terrell is now surrounded by M1 and M2 and another male that appears to be with them. A male security staff person comes up and stands next to Terrell. Terrell, M2, and M1 continue to argue. It is my
understanding that both M1 and M2 use derogatory language and racial slurs when speaking to Terrell and the rest of the staff. The racial slurs were mostly directed at Terrell. At 121, Terrell pushes M2 away from him. It looks like a
friend of M2 steps between Terrell and M2 to try and calm them down. M2 is messing with his phone while this is going on. At 12958, M2 and Terrell continue to argue. They appear to get more and more animated
until Terrell grabs M2 by the inter. I'm just going to repeat what I've said at previous hearings. This really is not helpful when we don't have the video before the hearing. It's just a whole bunch of descriptions and we can't put it into context. So, if we even had that in writing, it would be helpful to read
along. But, we're sitting here and I can't follow it. Is it okay if I ask I was just trying to answer I was just trying to answer the the chairperson's question. Yeah. Yeah. If we had the video in your narrative before the public hearing would be a lot more helpful. We could have better questions, but again, we
don't anything ahead of time. So, I'm on the record again requesting you, if you appear before us again, to submit the stuff to us directly before the hearing. We'll do and we'll provide this this uh evidence
today. Thank you. I'll forward it to the board when we do. Commissioner Karn, I just want to confirm because it's my impression b you know uh we did get some of your narrative, Miss Corpines. I want to confirm with the the victim who's here with us that you you've listened to
her description and when I get the video I'm going to kind of go off that as well. I believe that she's describing you as M2. Is that correct? As the taller um Asian male, you were in you were inside. Yeah. And so
yes, I was she seems to be she seems to be describing M2 as the person who was inside and and she has that label on that person who came from inside the whole time. So that would that would be you. Yes, that would be me. That was my impression. So I just wanted
to confirm that. Thank you, Commissioner Saxon. Any questions? Yeah, I think it it would be helpful if I can have the narrative and the video at the same time. Um, was there a third person? It seems like the narrative there was a third
there was a third is is Jaden. Can you confirm at some point in the in the video? I'm sorry. Oh yeah. Um so actually the person that was mentioned by Tony that tripped and fall and had to have EMS called on him.
That was the person I was texting the whole time cuz that was the friend I was waiting on um from the from inside. And then a couple of my other buddies came too, but they never entered the establishment and they just kind of hung out outside. It was two of them.
But but that person's fall on the inside was completely unrelated to what was happening outside. Right. Correct. Oh, yeah. That's completely unrelated. I'm just saying that that was actually the person I was Yeah. Cuz that was a person I went with and then I came out to see my other friend. Yeah. Yeah.
Was there a third person that you knew uh outside with you having a confrontation or involved in the interaction with security? Yes, there was my other roommate that maybe did talk to security, but I can't
recall if he talked too much or anything. All right. So, but the person that Miss Corupines identified as possibly being with you, there was someone with you in your group, a third person. There was another person with me. Yes, there was another person and he was
actually supposed to come today, but I think he got caught up in a meeting. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you, Jaden. Just out of curiosity, what what was your level of intoxication that evening? Um, I was pretty tipsy. I'd say I wasn't
like too drunk. Um, I was probably say four drinks in. Are there any further questions from the board at this time? Great. With that, we will await submission of video, the narrative, and uh the confirmation of deescalation
training. Um, and I will forward those to the board as soon as received. Thank you all and the board will take this under adisement. Thank you. Thank you. Calling item number five, Ipsswitch Entertainment, Inc. doing business as Loretta's last call. Located at one Landsown Street, date of the incident,
April 4th, 2025. Overcrowding on the patio, 78, police count, capacity 60 in violation of Mass General Lodge, chapter 138, section 64, and boards rule 1.03J 1.06A and F. And overcrowding on the inside, police count 279, capacity 134
in violation of Mass General law chapter 138, section 64, and boards rule 1.03J. 3J and 1.06A and F who's present on behalf of the lency. Good morning again, Attorney Green, Madam Chair, members of the board, Dennis Quilty, attorney representing the Lency with us. Gabby Wooten, who's the
general manager, and again, Kina Corupines, the risk manager for the Lions group. Good morning again. Good morning. Thank you all. I see uh I see Miss Wen name is Corbines who is president on behalf of the Boston Police Department. Detective Eddie Hernandez and Sergeant
Gallagha. I'll be reading if Detective Hernandez is not here. Great. Thank you very much. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify? Can you all please raise your right hand?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Uh S Hernandez, will you be reading the report or will Sergeant Dr. I will be. I'm sorry. I can uh Which one are we right now? I apologize. I just We are on item number five. AP switch
entertainment. La last call. Loretta's last call. All right. I have it. Thank you. Um, on Friday, April 4th, 2025, Lieutenant Detective Ed Troy trying Detective William Gallagher and Detective Eddie Hernandez assigned to the BPD license
permission conducted a license inspection of Loretta's last call. As detectives walked into the establishment, they reviewed the licenses and permits of the establishment. They learned the capacity of the premise at that day setup. Number
one is set at a total of 194 persons. The number is broken down to 116 persons seated, 18 persons standing, and 60 persons on the outside patio. Detectives performed a mechanical count of the establishment and discovered that
the actual number of persons located in the premise was 347. 78 persons on the patio and 279 persons inside. Detectives brought this all these matters to the attention of the person in charge, Miss Gabby Wooten. Miss Wooden stated that she would bring
the establishment into compliance. As a result of what detectives discovered, Char Detective Gallagher issued license for inspection notice 0200076 for overcrowding, patio capacity 60, police count 78, inside capacity 134,
police count 279, Mutin sign accepted the notice. And uh there is looks like attached here a copy of the uh Boston fireplace of Assembly Parliament stating all those numbers be read off. That's all.
Thank you very much. Attorney Quilty, would you like to address the alleged incident? Thank you. If I may, uh good morning, detective. Um did you notice when you arrived whether or not there was a line outside? Uh I don't I believe that we were able
to just walk in. I don't think there was much of a line. That's what I That's what what I was informed as well. This was about 12:15 noon, a little bit afternoon time. Um, yep. Right around there, sir.
Okay. And I believe this was opening day, was it? Yes, sir. So, Lands Down Street was busy establishments, the street. There were people all over the place, I presume. Yes, sir. Um
the uh did Miss Wooten the report indicates that she would bring the establishment into compliance? Did she do so? Um we didn't stick around to wait for that. It would have taken forever to get them into compliance, but we just assume she would.
And she and as you indicated in the inspection notice, she she was cooperative. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Um Okay. Thank you. I have no further questions of the detective. Thank you.
I may uh call Yep. You I call Miss Wooten. Thanks Miss Wooten. You're here. Would you identify yourself, please, for the record? Hi. Uh my name is Gabby Wooten. I'm the general manager for Loretta's last call. Okay. And were you present and acting in
that capacity on the day of this incident? Yes, I was there. And this was opening day of the Red Sox season, correct? Yes. Okay. And at the time the police officers came in, you told me there was no line outside. Is that right?
Yes. We didn't have a line yet. Okay. So, when is it that you create a line? When we hit capacity. Okay. So did your did you have people uh there whose job it was to have a
mechanical count of persons in the establishment? Yes. Okay. And tell me how you interact with that person throughout the course of the day. Um I frequently go and check on their the count that they have at the front
door. Um and then also since this we've added a second clicker so that we have one just for the patio as well now. Okay. So on the day in question, you did not have that. Yes, we just had the one the one which would give overall capacity both patio and interior. Yes.
And can you tell the board what your what at roughly the time the police officers arrived what your uh the business count was? I don't remember the exact number, but I know that we were under on on the counter. You had indicated to me earlier that you
thought you were under by 10 or 15 people. Does that sound about right? Yes. Okay. And um when the police came in, were you um were you surprised that you were in it was indicated that you were over capacity by this much?
Yes. And can you tell the board why? Um there we still we had all the tables still there, but there was room for everyone to be getting around. Um and we didn't have a we didn't have a line forming yet.
So to your is it your testimony that from your from the naked from your viewpoint looking around at the what was going on in the room you determined that it wasn't over capacity? Yes. Okay. Um and yet yet you did cooperate
with the police when they told you it was and you took did you take steps to bring it into compliance? Yes. Can you tell the board what you did? um we formed a line and we waited until um it went down to what they thought would
be the um our capacity. Okay. And you you know you've you you've read the the Boston Fire Department documentation, the licensing documentation, ISD, you know what the capacity is, correct? Yes. Okay. And is it your testimony that
since this time you've now done inside and outside counts for the purpose of understanding that you're at or under capacity in both locations? Yes. Which again you had not done that day? Yes. Okay. Um thank you, Miss W. Is there
anything else you can offer about your interactions with the police or what happened that day? Uh um no. was very cooperative and then we I did exactly what they told me to as soon as they had left. Okay.
Thank you, Miss Hootton. The uh commissioners may have some questions for us. So, just stand by. Thank you. Um Miss Wooten, how long have you been manager of record? Um at Loretta's since December.
Okay. So you were you not manager of record when they received a violation with the warning for April 20 2024 overcrowding? No, I was not there. So explain to me in your own words um the police had you add 145 people over.
Uh just to sum up what you said you think you the why there was a discrepancy between your account and the police and what you did to fix that. Seems like a lot to be to have such a visual discrepancy to the naked eye. 145 people.
Yeah. Yes. Um we still had all the tables inside. Um there was plenty of room for all of the servers to get around as well as everyone who was dining to have there was there was enough space. So that's how you manage the capacity. Just we also have we have a clicker
um a tally counter at the door. So when you said there was enough room for the tables inside at some point do you remove all the tables? Yes. Um during late nights we do remove the tables. Okay. So you in your professional opinion the police were wrong that 145
people was wrong. Um for the patio we did not have um I that many people. Right. That was only two people over. I'm talking about inside. Yes. Um, I do not believe that we had as many people over as was counted. As soon
as they did tell me though, we started a line and waited for waited a bit to let anyone in. Did you How did you get people out? Um, we just stopped everyone from coming in. Okay. So, you didn't remove people to get them into compliance.
Um, we waited. A lot of people were leaving at that point when the game was about to start. Okay. I mean, given your location and Red Sox opening day, I think having a counter that is accurate is quite important. Yes. Um Yes. Now that we now we also
have the two counters, one for inside and then one for the patio. How many do you have on the inside? Um we have one for the door and then one for the outside as well. Meaning that patio? Yes. Video. Okay.
And if the board is interested, there is video. Miss Corpines is here. We have video from that day. Yeah, that would actually be helpful because that's a really in my mind um hard to to um understand how the
police would have the count so wrong. But so please for the video. I have video and still shots. Okay. You can actually see like if 279 people were actually inside Loretta's, no one would be able to move,
right? But I'm guessing the tables some tables were empty where people should have been sitting. No, all table the tables that were out there were full. Okay. Looking forward to you submitting this information. We'll do that today. Thank you. And in
the future, Madam Chair, we will provide assuming we have the film, we will provide it in in advance of hearings to the board, not to the police. Yeah. I'm just gonna repeat that every single time because it it's starting to become a problem for me. So, okay, understood.
Y it it makes sense. We'll do it. Commissioner Car, Commissioner Saxon, any questions? I just want to clarify at the time that this violation was written, you were following the setup number one on the
place of assembly permit, right? Yes. Okay. And that limits standing occupants to 18 people, right? Yes. Were there more than 18 people standing at that point? Yes.
Okay. How many people were standing? Like the you know these two setups are clearly one setup is a restaurant setup where everyone you know and the second one is you remove all the tables and you run it as a nightclub, right? Yes. How many people were standing while you
were supposed to be running as a restaurant? Um, I don't know the I don't have the exact number off the top of my head, but there were more than 18 people standing. Okay. Thank you. Nothing additional. Thank you. Thank you. We will aait submission of
the video and still photographs and and with that the board will take this matter under advisement. Thank you. Thank you. Calling item number six, BB Social Club LLC, doing business as Back Bay Social Club, located at 867 Boilson Street. Date of the incident, April 21st, 2025,
overcrowding, first floor capacity 124, Mechanical Count 147 in violation of Mass General Law, chapter 138, section 64, and board's rule 1.03 JM 1.06A and F. Who is present on behalf of the Lency? Good morning again, Attorney Green, Dennis Quy, and Madam Chair, members. Uh
Dennis Quy, attorney representing the Lency with me with us this morning, Jeremy Callaway. Uh and again, Katina Corupines. Thank you very much. Thank you. Who will be uh who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department,
Detective Eddie Hernandez, if you Thank you very much. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify? Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Sergeant Detective Gallagher,
if you could please proceed with the report. Yes. On Monday, April 21st, 2025, Lieutenant Detective Adrien Troy, Sergeant Detective William Gallagher, Detective Eddie Hernandez assigned to the BPD license premise unit conducted a
license premise inspection of Back Bay Social. As detectives walked into the establishment, they received they reviewed the licenses and premises of the establishment. Detectives learned the capacity of the premise is set at 124 for the first floor. Detectives
performed a mechanical count of the establishment's first floor. Discovered the actual number of persons located in the first floor was 147. Detectives brought all these matters attention of the person in charge, Mr. Jeremy Callaway. Mr. Galloway stated he would
bring the premise into compliance. As a result, the detectives had observed Sergeant Gallagher issued license premise inspection 020 047 for overcrowding on the first floor. Mr. Callaway signed for and accepted the notice, sir. That's my report.
Thank you. Attorney Quilting, if you'd like to address the Thank you, Sergeant Detective. Thank you very much. Um, your uh inspection notice indicates management cooperated. Yes, that's correct. Mr. Callaway um interfaced with you on
the day in question and um stated that he would bring the establishment into compliance. Is that is that correct? That's correct, sir. Okay. And can you tell was there a line when you uh went in to do your count? Uh it was marathon Monday. I believe
there was some line but uh it's not it's not on the report but just because of the day I would assume that there would be something. Okay. Um and they are right on the race route. Correct. That's correct sir.
Okay. Um did did Mr. Callaway suggests to you that he had the issue that he had was controlling people who had been in the downstairs who
rushed upstairs to see people outside. In other words, friends and family, etc. coming to see the runners. Is that what caused part of this problem in your opinion? Uh, I don't think there was anyone downstairs, sir, because of the event. Everyone wanted to be on that floor and
that's what I attributed it to. No one wanted to go downstairs because you couldn't see the marathon. Right. So the the overall count was was good. It's just that the upstairs room was over. Okay. But did he suggest to
you that people who had been eating downstairs had come upstairs for the purpose of seeing their friends and family run by? I don't recall. Like I said, I think everyone was there for that reason only because it was a Monday in the afternoon and uh they did eat downstairs. They
would not want to stay there long. I'm sure they let them in with the intention that they would go downstairs, but there's nothing to see downstairs. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Um I just I just wanted to ask you, is that what he told you? No, I don't recall that.
Okay. All right. Um, do you did he suggest to you that he personally had a his own clicker in addition to the door that he was observing every 30 or so minutes and doing his own count? Uh, no sir, I didn't. That's not in the
report and I don't recall him saying that. Thank you. Thank you very much. That text. Um, may I inquire of Mr. Callaway? Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Callaway. How are you? just identify yourself for the record, please. Of course. Uh Jeremy Keller. I'm the
general manager at Back by Social. Okay. And were you on duty that day, Marathon Monday, when the officers came in? Yes. Is is that a particularly busy day? Uh yes. And as a result, in preparation for that
day, what what steps do you take and what steps does management take concerning how to operate on that day? So, detect is right. It's it's difficult to see people downstairs. We run a projector down there. We show like like the marathon watch on there so people
can hopefully stay on there. We do tell people they can seat down there. They can see the whole thing on the TV. Um people do come up when as you said their friends and family are crossing like like going in front of us. Um they they come up for a few minutes. They go back down after their friends
and family like go in front of the restaurant. Uh but they're actively eating, actively drinking downstairs at tables down there. and and could you explain to the board how you um supervised the count of patrons on that day and what you in
particular did that day? So we have a door guy um he counts at like he gets a a count for the whole house. Um I go around every 30 45 minutes or so and get a count on each floor because I I obviously the floors have different capacities. Um, if one
floor happens to be over at a certain point, we'll hold the door for a little while, let people watch whoever they want to go watch go like like run across the street. Um, they'll go back downstairs or go back to wherever they were seating to get like that floor back into compliance and then once that is
all set, we'll let people back in the door again. Okay. And is that what you were doing that day? Yes. Um, when the detectives came, I was actively getting it like like a count to see where we were at. And had you were you using a line at
that point when they came in? Was there a line outside? There's a line all day on Marathon. Okay. Um, so you is it your testimony that you were doing your best to monitor the crowd both upstairs and downstairs and
taking periodic checks to make to do the best you could to stay in compliance? Yes, sir. Okay. Um and the uh notation indicates that you were cooperate, did you personally interface with the officers? Yes, sir, I did. Okay. And in order to bring the uh room
into compliance, what did you do? I just stopped letting I just stopped entry until people had gone back either where they were sitting downstairs or had left the building. Okay. All right. Thank you. The the commissioners may have some questions
for you, so just stand by, please. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, no questions. Thank you. None for me. Thank you. And we do have just in case you want, we do have video again. Uh we'll we'll
provide that so the board has it for its deliberations. Thank you. If there are no questions, then the board will take this under consideration. Uh we'll take that on adisement and any video will be forwarded to the commissioners for their review. Thank you. Thank you.
Calling item number seven, Anchovy's acquisition limited partnership doing business as Anchovies located at 433 Columbus A. Date of the incident May 1st, 2025. Blocked fire exit with a table set up in violation of Mass General Laws chapter 138 section 64 and boards rule 1.06A.
Overcrowding 80 mechanical count capacity 64 in violation of Mass General Laws chapter 138 section 64 and boards rule 1.03J 1.06A 06 A and F and expired inspectional services uh certificate uh dated expired on March 1st 2025 in
violation of mass general laws chapter 138 section 64 who's present on behalf of the lency uh my name is Richard thank you for being with us Mr. Larry, who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department? William Gallagher,
activity Hernandez if needed. Thank you. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of the alleged incident who wish to testify? Can you please raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. I do.
Thank you. Sergeant Gallagher, if you could please proceed with the board. Yes. Good morning, sir. Greetings from me. Boston, police in report that I wrote. 512025 at 11:10 p.m. S Detective William Gallagher, Detective Eddie Hernandez assigned a license premise unit
responded to Anchovies at 433 Columbus A for a prior report of public drinkers in front of the premise. Detectives have been informed that on weekend nights, a line develops in front of Enchovies with some of those in line drinking alcohol and disposing of the empties on the
public sidewalk and private property nearby. On the evening of the first, which was a Thursday, there was no line. As detectives entered the premise, they observed it to be crowded with patrons standing by the bar and behind the seated patrons, filling most of the
floor space. Detectives inquired with door staff as to the count and the capacity. The staff member stated that there were about 70 but had no counting device to show the checklist. Detective Hernandez conducted a mechan
count which resulted 80 I'm sorry 80 persons. The listing capacity of anchovies is 64. Detectives re relayed those findings to the manager Mr. Joe Tully. In addition, detectives observed the rear exit to be blocked by a table of four. This was also pointed out to
Mr. Telly. On inspection of the premises permits, detectives observed an expired inspectional service certificate which expired back on March 1st, 2025. As a result, it was observed Sergeant Gallagher issued a license premise inspection notice number 020
050 to anchovies for blocked fire exit overcrowding 80 or mechanical count capacity 64 expired ISD certificate. Mr. Telly signed for and accepted the notice. Uh that's my report. Thank you. Mr. Terry, would you like to
address the alleged incident? Um the table that was in question had been there for years. It was a chair that kind of backs up to the exit. Um didn't really ever have an issue with it, but what since then we have moved that table. Um I'm responsible for the
licenses. This one got a little bit behind me as I was trying to get my sprinkler inspected before I called the city inspector. And since then, um we implemented a door man about a year ago. Um he didn't have a counter. He has a
counter. He has had a uh license checker that he scanned. Um we've gone over it with the managers and the doormen and we have been keeping capacity um on a regular um basis now and and and we talk
about it and it's constantly um brought up to make sure that we don't go into violation again. Thank you for the explanation. The board may have uh some questions for you, chairman. I don't have any questions. Thanks. Thank you.
Um I know you said it's been there for years, but the that table you're talking about, is there a floor plan uh associated with your place of assembly permit, like when you uh work with the fire department? Is it is it explicitly laid out in any kind of written floor
plan? Not to my knowledge. Okay. and we bought the establishment in 2008, I believe. Um, and I don't think I've seen one since then. And the tables, um,
where they're set up, it really hasn't it hasn't moved in all those years. And also, we do own the condo that the establishment's in, and I'm part of obviously the condo association. Um, I get along with all of my neighbors. I've worked on that block
even prior to uh buying anchovies. I cooked at Jakamo's next door for the eight years before that. Um I know a lot of the neighbors there, so we work well with everyone around there if there was any drinking outside. It certainly wasn't from inside the establishment.
Our doorman may not have been keeping a good tab of patrons coming in and out, but he certainly was scanning licenses and would absolutely not let anybody outside with beverages from inside. Um, I don't know what that was all about if
somebody happened to show up with their own beverages or something like that. Okay. Um, I think that's all I have on this one. Thank you. Thank you. Nothing from me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The board will take this under advisement. And finally, item
number eight, same lency. Anchovies acquisition limited partnership doing business as anchovies at 433 Columbus. A date of the incident May 31st, 2025. Overcrowding 73, police count capacity 64 in violation of master laws chapter 138 section 64 and boards rule 1.03J and
1.06A and F. Mr. Ter, you representing the license yet again? I am. Great. And who is present on behalf of the Boston Police Department? Detective Hernandez. Thank you. Are there any other individuals with firsthand knowledge of this alleged incident? Detective Gallagher if need be.
Thank you very much. You have all been previously sworn. Uh Detective Hernandez, if you could please read the report to the record for the board. Yes. Good morning. Uh on uh Saturday uh May 31st 2025, Sant Detective William Gallagher and Detective Eddie Hernandez
assigned to the BPD license per unit conducted a license per inspection of anchovies. As detectives walked into the establishment, they reviewed the licenses and permits of the establishment. They learned the capacity of the premises set at 64 persons. Detective Hernandez performed the
mechanical count of the establishment, discovered the actual number. The persons located in the premise was 73. that has brought the uh all these matters to the attention of the person in charge, Mr. Joe Cully. Mr. Cully stated that he would bring the staff into compliance.
As a result, what detectives discovered sign detective Gallagher issued license and person inspection notice 0220007 overcrowding. Mr. Cully Stein from accepted notice. That's all. Thank you. Mr. Terry, would you like to address uh this incident?
Um, I mean, we screwed up and we've I've really had these talks since the second incident. And going forward from there, uh, my business partner showed up who's an older gentleman who does the books. He was in the South End recently, hadn't
actually been in the establishment in a couple of years, and he went in on a Saturday night, and the door man didn't know who he was, and he was like, "You can't come in. We're at our capacity." So, it was nice to see. and he was like, "Hey, I I'm one of the owners in the place." So, there was no special
treatment there. And he waited to get in. So, I can say that since the second uh they have been doing their job. Thank you. See if there are any questions uh at this time. Chairman Joyce, I have no questions. Thank you.
No questions. Thank you. None from me. Thank you. Thank you. And the board will take this matter under advisement as well. Thank you for being with us. That those are all the items before the board this morning. That will adjourn this hearing. The board is set to vote Thursday morning at 10 a.m. Notice has been
posted to the city's website. Thank you all and enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you.