Okay. Good evening everyone and thank you all for joining us for a design subcommittee of the Boston Civic Design Commission. Today's date is Tuesday, February 24th. This is session A of the BCDC design subcommittee. There is no session B this evening.
My name is Seth Ryman, deputy director of design review and executive director of BCDC at the planning department. The planning department continues hosting public meetings in a virtual setting for the health, safety, and accessibility of Boston residents. Before we proceed with the agenda, I'm required by the open
meeting law to notify the public that this meeting is being recorded. Please turn off your camera and microphone if you do not wish to be recorded. For the record, commissioners present uh include Commissioner Eley, Commissioner Choy, Commissioner Sykes, Commissioner
Gilly Smith, Commissioner Lubenau, and Commissioner Man Freddy. Uh we may be joined by other commissioners later in the evening. Uh tonight's agenda will include a presentation for the reserve channel development in South Boston. Tonight's
meetings p tonight's meeting proceedings uh will begin with a presentation from the proponent uh followed by comments and discussion from the commissioners uh and finally a discussion of next steps. I'm going to provide uh some additional
background here due to the nuances of the site and what it means for the city's BCDC scope of review. Tonight will be the second presentation of the proposed reserve channel project to the commission following its introduction at the September 10th, 2024 monthly
meeting. Since that time, the proponent has made a number of changes, including the specific type of review and entitlements being sought. A large portion of the site is owned by Massport and leased to the proponent. Projects located on Massport land are not subject to zoning and so unlike similar projects
in other parts of the city. The reserve channel development project will not be governed by a PDA master plan. However, Massport typically enters into a voluntary voluntary article 80B review for projects undertaken in partnership with private developers. The reserve
channel project will follow the same precedent for buildings on Massport land uh and sorry will follow the same precedent and buildings on Massport land will come before the commission for voluntary article ADB review in the future. There is a small portion of the site that is owned by the proponents
outright. This fee simple parcel will be subject to zoning and to article ADB review. The entire site, the Massport parcels and the fee simple parcel are additionally subject to the state's MEPA review process to assess overall impacts. The city is an active
participant in this review. The project filed with the city is known as phase 1 and includes the development of approximately 1.7 million square feet of residential, commercial, research, laboratory, and retail uses on an approximately 12.9 acre site. Of these
12.9 acres, approximately 10.9 are owned by Massport and ground leased to the proponent and approximately 2 acres are owned by the proponent. Phase 1 is part of a larger long-term redevelopment effort of nearly 6 million square ft on approximately 41.7 acres. The proponent
filed an environmental notification form with the state for the master plan and is undergoing state review, which the city is participating in. As most of the land is owned by Massport, the city's traditional regulatory review of a highly detailed master plan development area or MPDA for the entire site is not
applicable. The proponent is voluntarily asking the city to review and comment on their framework plan for the entire site and more detailed review of the phase 1 area and specifically the phase one uh the area of phase one fully subject to
standard city of Boston review. The framework plan sets out a vision for the long-term development of the full land assemblage, but is receiving no entitlements from the city. through the P uh though the PNF submission for phase one originally sought the city's article
80B level review of each building, the proponent is no longer seeking the this level of review at this time and is instead seeking a plan development area approval for the fee simple parcel and a PDA level of review for the remainder of
phase 1. As specific buildings are closer to being realized, the proponent will be back in front of the city for article ADB review for individual buildings in both phase one and future phases. As such, the project before you has been roadmapped to four total BCDC
sessions. This is the first design subcommittee session and focuses on both the framework plan and phase one. The next subcommittee meeting will primarily focus on the phase 1 PDA and design guidelines which will be followed by review for final recommendation by the
full commission. The proponent will also be detailing some of these regulatory nuances. But before I hand it over to them, are there any questions from the commission? >> I think this is why we needed a double session though. Seth, that was an incredible introduction.
>> Thank Sorry for the length, but uh hopefully I didn't confuse you all more uh than I clarified. >> And and Seth, I I do have one question. Is there a an example of something that is at all comparable
to this project and process that you might highlight just for us to keep in mind as we move through this review process? >> Sure. The example that we've been using with Massport and the proponent team is is really the last time Master Massport
did a very large master planning effort in this area which is the Commonwealth Flats uh development that was uh you know conceived of a long time ago worked out through the MEPA special review process uh with the city participating.
The nuance there was that that was Massport as master planner uh doing certain investments in infrastructure and upfront development. Uh in this case there is already a uh you know ground lease holder um Oxford Papus the
proponent uh who has control over the land. So therefore they are the ones coming to us uh with this proposal um rather than Massport directly. Okay. >> Thank you. Okay. And with that, I would like to
uh invite the proponent to start presenting. Uh you'll have up to 30 minutes, and I will give you a halftime and a couple minute warning. >> Thank you, Seth. And good evening, commissioners. Thank you for the time today to discuss what we think is a
truly special project at the Reserve Channel. Uh my name is Justin Coons. I'm the director of development at Oxford Properties. Uh and on speak tonight on behalf of our partnership with Papus Enterprises, uh an organization that's been a multigenerational owner, operator, and steward of this land. Um
I'm also joined by Keith Okconor of S Soom and one Carlos Leveluck of Massport. And together we hope to cover a lot of ground this evening. Um, I will do my best to be brief uh to hand the baton, but we we want to give you a little bit of background um as Seth just
went over, but we can cover with some graphic support um to assist dive into what we heard from you last and some of the project changes that have u been carried out since that time. And then we'll cover next steps all with uh the intention to support uh discussion uh
that's productive with you in in conclusion. Um and so with that a view of the site uh in question as it exists today. You know located in South Boston a really special site for many reasons u but at 42 acres uh an incredible
opportunity provided it its location really mediates between varied land use patterns on all of its edges. So at the south uh bound by west first street the finer grain of the south Boston residential community. Um to its west uh it's bound by East Street which is
primarily a trucking and freight corridor that serves the terminal uh and light industrial uses. Uh Fargo Street immediately north and then Summer Street and Seapport beyond uh to the north. And then lastly the reserve channel itself
sort of defines the eastern edge and boundary uh the longest frontage of the site. Equally important to its location is is a reality that that we have to manage which is that today and forward the site is an operating business campus. So
improved with nine buildings close to 800,000 square ft of area hosts a mix of tenants and life sciences and office uses and light industrial uses. Um and they all have varied uh lease durations. And so the that point greatly influences
how we've thought about the project and how you know we'll expand on that further this evening. Generally speaking, when we think about land availability, it in it's informing the sequencing of the project and defining what could be in a first phase and what will be future phases. Um, last but but
critical mention here is is the point Seth made, you know, majority ground lease. The exceptions um are page left and page right um at close to three and a half acres, the fee owned parcels that you see on the screen. Um and so that
land control as as Seth mentioned um factors into sort of the procedural background and I won't dwell here but you know what was filed back in 2023 the PNF for an initial phase at three and a half uh close to 13 acres is on the screen
and you know that sits within the context of this broader 42 acres and so governing the 42 acres is this special review procedure that Seth mentioned and and would only add that you know one of the benefits of it really is that it lets us look at the detail of the
initial phase within the context of the whole um that that initial phase uh should relate to. Um it also defined for us the citizens advisory committee um to sort of be the the the thread of of input as we manage both of these
processes forward. Um, so you know, in summary, we've made uh filings against each of these. I think the common thread is the community input that runs sort of center of the page from left to right that has carried us from work that began
in 2021 through to where we are today. And you know, the time with you tonight is timely because we've had the benefit of both a feedback loop uh with this commission and also with the public and citizens advisories committee. Um and we're excited to share that work with
you. Um so what did we hear project update? I think from from this group you know we were focused on an init initial phase with you. Um as you can see on the screen this was before you back in in 2024 and
a lot of what we heard back was an interest in sort of zooming out a bit in the urban design context in which this phase was occurring. um you know thoughts about connections and transportation's interest in in sort of what the public sentiment has been around the project um which you know to
to to perhaps start there has been you know I think instructive in the sense it's been very specific in particular as it relates to the initial phase projects but they've also like you had um sort of a a prevailing interest in the big idea and the planning foundations for the
bigger picture and so we've structured tonight around starting with that bigger picture um and its pieces and its constraints and its opportunities um before diving into the details of those initial phases and its and and changes. Um, so to start, you know, big ideas
on the screen, you see them. F Street, right? It's the it's the largest or the widest public rideway in our project. Looks like the shortest road. You know, it looks like it's going nowhere. Like what's what's the big idea? Um, and you know, by extension, there's a roadway
that Papa's Way that runs the length of the reserve channel. You know, that could be something much different than it is today. What's the aspiration? Um and then you know immediately page right the void right is is uh Fargo Street
terminal you know there's what's the plan there's certainly context that this project should relate to can we talk about it and then of course access to transit um figures heavily and and these ideas and I think you know comments and considerations in particular around F
Street were really the driving force behind the the transportation theme and to paraph paraphrase a few of the instances because I think they're they're telling are you know F Street should continue all the way to summer. Uh it lets Papasway become something
else in effect and you know it could be a better place if all the through traffic could rely on an alternative route. um some observations around the lack of a transportation infrastructure um also sort of uh weighed heavily on the minds of of folks reviewing the
project. And so, you know, as you can appreciate as a project team, we'd love to take our pen and draw outside of our our property boundary, but it's not really been our purview or or our role here. Um, I will say, you know, we have
had the benefit of of Massport who's been really an active listener in this regard and just wanted to use the time to extend it. I believe Juan Carlos is on the call to to talk about a little bit of the work that Massport's been been doing around F Street and the
broader uh neighborhood context. >> Uh, hi, good evening. Can you hear me and see me? I hope >> hear you. We can hear you. Oh, now now you should be able to see me. Good evening everyone. Happy to be
here. Um, very very happy to be here. Um, so uh we Massport has had a a lease with the Oxford um uh I'm sorry with the Papis entity for for decades. recently they've joined up with Oxford Properties
and the ground lease has always um we always contemplated uh conversion of these premises to a higher and better use from the from the lowscale industrial development that's there now. Um separately, Massport has
been involved in uh strategic planning for all of its assets um which include its maritime assets and um the use we have here on what we call the Fargo Street terminal uh to the north of the
Papis site is is the so-called chassis yard which supports the um container terminal which is very important to uh Massport's maritime business. But we have realized that we have an opportunity here to um uh extend F
Street from beyond the premises of the Oxford Papus lease. Extend F Street all the way to Summer Street and then connect it further all the way to the Massport Hall Road, which would be um a really transformational uh change to the transportation network
down here. Um couple peculiarities of the uh well couple things. D Street is right now the only uh street that runs north south that entire distance. So uh having F Street as a duplicate of that
route would greatly relieve uh traffic including for normal cars for transit and for trucking. And the second thing is the the silver line the MBTA silver line currently comes out onto the Massport Hall road. Um and having F
Street uninterrupted this whole way would enable entirely new routing for that transit service which um this project may be able to take advantage of. So uh Massport is very uh supportive of
this continuation of F Street. We have a limitation in that we have a lease with the chassis yard that runs through 20 uh 34, but we would be able someone will be able to construct this shortly thereafter.
And and that's all I have to say. >> Thank you, Carlos. And so this is really exciting for us. So I guess maybe I'll hold you here and then if you want to hold the app street uh in your mind and I'll slightly rotate us back and superimpose on our on our map. Um, this
graphic now hosts the overlay of our our our plan or the framework plan within its context so you can see how these pieces work together. Um, there's a lot of detail here. Um, we're going to save this. We'll be back to it and it's available for for discussion, but right
now I think would like to to pass the baton to to Keith Okconor of S Soom who can talk about the space between and how we leverage uh the opportunity to realize some some really ambitious things for the project. >> Great. Thanks, Justin. So, good good to see everybody again. Uh, just a couple
of slides to kind of review from last time. It's been a little bit of time since we since we previously presented to you. I know we wanted to give a broader context, but I'll just show a few slides as a kind of reminder. You may remember this. There were some big aspirations and ideas that were driving
the the approach to this incredible property as Justin described it about, you know, being making it accessible to everybody, making it a very welcoming place, connecting it to its surroundings. Next, um, last time we were with you, if you go to the next slide, uh, we talked about these drivers
and they're really important and they continue to be really important about connecting to the basin loop, about making investments in open space, about prioritizing connections and creating this kind of interconnected grid uh, system to to provide parcels and open
space for the redevelopment of the property. next. And so starting here, just so you have a little bit of context about what drove some of our thinking. So you already heard about existing buildings on the site. It is predominantly almost
exclusively impervious surface right now, very limited uh rights of way, actually no public rights of way and limited access points. And so that's a big piece of the driver. Next, the other thing that that you heard about, but that's important just to hold in your mind is not only the existing tenants,
but there are some near-term, midterm, and much longer term obligations for leases. So, you'll see and understand in part why the first phase is where it is, what it's trying to relate to is in part when parcels become available to be
redeveloped and to begin become the beginnings of the vision. Next. So a little bit just to kind of about context because an important part of it is beginning to execute the project doing it in phases and while doing that maintaining access and operations for
those ongoing tenants and those continuing businesses. So there's a bit of this that you see here in the dash lines that's all about continuity of ongoing operations. Next, there's a piece of it that is very much about the East Street corridor that we talked about, the freight corridor,
and how important that is to Massport. Next, there's a piece of it that is, as Justin said, really about creating the beginnings of and the armature for and capitalizing over time on the potential for a transformation of F Street from
what is now an interior to the site parking lot into this extraordinary public transit accommodating multi-use corridor. The other piece of it is is the opportunity to really fundamentally transform Papa Way along the waterfront
from its current role into a much more finer grain pedestrian and bike friendly and and waterfront appropriate scale street. And then the last piece of it on that on that page left west edge uh is is West First Street and transforming
that from its current condition and creating a better neighborhood edge. And then in in relationship to all of those is is this interconnectivity over time into a grid into a series of blocks on the next slide that give us the
potential for uh dramatic transformational development over time. So this is a little bit of the armature. A really important piece is this connectivity you see on the bottom of the page and page right to the basin loop. this connected trail along and
perimeter access to the entirety of the basin, but also inherent in it a series of ideas about open space, major open space, not just on the waterfront edge, but in the core and the center of the property and connectivity and permeability through that. Next,
>> Keith, would you mind going back quickly to slide 24 for a minute? >> Sure. Um, just to talk a little bit about the site lines, property lines, which I think you're showing in that dashed red. Yes. So,
>> a couple of these actually look or even the one before it looked like like you had um There we go. had space within the reserve channel in two location, two primary locations that I'm seeing. Can you walk us through that? >> So, there is on page right uh what
you're seeing that is essent it's what we call the watersheet. There's a parcel that is owned by the partnership that uh previously had a platform on it, a peer field there and so that is still retained by the ownership and and within the parcel. The other area is the
essentially the waterfront. So there is some existing open space along the waterfront and the portions of Papus Way itself as you go to page left that's also within the parcel ownership. And so the toggle between slide 23 and 24
begins to show some infill there uh in white between that red line and the existing water or is it just misalignment? Okay. >> It's just it's actually what it's it's just showing that there is it's a slightly different tone. It's just showing water that is within the
property line as opposed there's no modification or extension of fill or or land. >> Okay. So that white is is effectively blue. It's a light blue. Yes. >> Yeah. A light blue on the left and then on the right still waters sheet.
>> I will talk to block K in a minute as we go forward. Yeah. >> Thanks. Thank you. >> Okay. So again, you sort of see 11 blocks as a structure and idea about about open space and I just want to walk you through a little bit of the logic for the development in the open space. So there's a piece of it phase one.
We'll talk more about this, but there's a piece of it that is all about on page left, uh, an opportunity to and having a relationship to the adjacent existing residential neighborhood. So, blocks A and B and and having a correspondence to
West First Street and having a relationship to the adjacent residential neighborhood. in the center uh C1 and C2 that C block is an opportunity to create a kind of synergy with the existing life sciences building at 645 Summer Street
and also to capitalize on that uh extraordinary waterfront location. Next, we also have an idea that is very much driven by the long-term aspirations for Massport and for the partnership to uh relate to and capitalize on that freight
corridor along along East Street. So the opportunity to have maritime and industrial and commercial uses that access that route that take advantage of it and that relate to it. Next there's another piece of it that we have been very interested in creating a
significant open space in the middle of the parcel and having multiple uses really fronting on that. So, creating an extraordinary new public realm and open space, but also having something that uh that really capitalizes on and allows different kinds of development to relate
to that. Next, >> Keith, you're at about halftime. And then there's pieces here that in conversations with the city we have been looking at for capitalizing on the waterfront location, but also looking at what's shown here in blue are parcels that are proposed for commercial
development, but could have the ability to flex between commercial and potentially over time residential. Here you're seeing the K block. So there is a long-term aspiration to have a development parcel on that water sheet on the KB block next.
and then all of that coming together sort of in this overall framework. So just a little bit about the the armature of that. Next I did want to focus on the open spaces for a moment where there is this system of open spaces, the waterfront open space, the central open
space, the first street open space at at the corner of F and West first street and really making these extraordinary public realm. Cape is on our team and has been doing a lot of study and programming and preliminary design work for this public realm. Next,
and then within that again this idea that the first phase A, the B and the C block are the beginnings of that broader vision that we have the opportunity to deliver on in the near term. Next, so a little bit about changes since we
were last in front of you. uh there were a lot of comments about uh the A and the B block and and some uh desires and modifications which I just want to highlight here. So as we said originally it was about 1.7 million square ft primarily commercial about 83%
commercial and then residential um and the beginnings of this broader armature next and the changes that were incorporated that we brought back uh most recently to the CAC was shifting those two blocks from primarily commercial to be
residential only in the A and B blocks. shifting the density, pushing that a bit further away from the neighborhood, making some mobility enhancements along West First Street, bike lanes, limiting car traffic, and really supporting of uh transit oriented future. And then an
open space strategy that targets the creation of a significant open space at Papus Way as opposed to the long-term connectivity of Papus Way to West First. So if you go forward, you can see on the left and the right side the differences where we previously were, the purple
showing commercial life sciences parcels, the yellow showing residential. You see on the right hand side that all of that has now changed. So the ratio has changed significantly. There's a bit of a drop to one point, call it 6 million square ft and and 58 almost 60%
residential. You also see importantly on the bottom of that second image what's labeled the papaway open space which is an idea about having a discontinuity disconnecting papa street papa way from west first street and actually creating a significant open space at that corner
instead of the current roadway connection next and this is the beginnings of of seeing it in three dimensions. So what you can see is kind of buildings stepping down and terracing down a linked system of open spaces with significant open space
along West First Street, the Papis Way open space uh on the bottom of the page, the West First Street open space sort of in the middle and then the beginnings of what we call the Innovation Commons uh up toward the top of the page next. And again in in section what you begin
to see the dashed purple outline is what the previous massing had been and the ability to push the buildings a little bit further away uh along west first and then that second area which would have had a much bigger commercial building gets to be narrower gets to push back
further. Um and I'll show you on the next slide a couple of images about what that does. So, as a reminder for those of you who know it, West First Street now, no trees, very limited sidewalk, chain link fence next. And the idea here
is to transform that in a very significant way. So, pushing the the development back, accommodating on street parking, uh the prospect for uh street trees, for pedestrian area, and for a very significant landscape setback. Part of that is in relationship
to the need for resiliency purposes to elevate a significant portion of the site to go forward. So there's an ability to to do that but to also transform that zone and utilize that zone to create a great public open space
and pedestrian amenities. So seating, walking areas, uh retail spill out, street trees, plantings, etc. Next. And then a few views of this kind of critical intersection that was a real driver in a lot of the conversations
with the CAC. So image on your left and image on your right. I'm going to show some some kind of images of that in a second about that as the connection between Papa Way to West First Street. That is the existing condition with Yankee bus with the chain link fence,
narrow sidewalk, no street trees, etc. Next. And so on the left is the image that we had previously and filed with the PNF and ENF where you see residential building in the foreground, commercial life sciences building in the background and then on the right side
those modifications where the program changes, buildings get pushed back, scale comes down a bit and then you also see that creation of that new open space at Papa Way over the long term. Next another view that's showing a similar thing. So you're looking straight down
Papus Way. If you look on the left hand side to where that connects into E Street, left hand side of the image, the original massing and then on the right side, creation of that new open space, the modification with those residential footprints and scale. Next, and then one
more view, similar thing looking basically due west. So you see those two buildings. You see in the foreground the connection of Papus Way and on the right hand side the creation of that new open space and the change from commercial to residential and the attendant scale.
Next and then just a quick kind of plan. West First Street is on the uh page bottom F Street running vertically in the middle of the image uh to give you a sense of where we see loading and access and retail frontage and these residential
blocks as well as the open spaces. Papus Way open space on the right, First Street open space in the middle. This this setback all along West First Street and then the Innovation Commons on the left side running vertically as part of the open space and in the middle F Street. Just a couple of scale
comparisons. You guys probably know these well, but to give a sense of of what those two spaces look like. So, this is a scale comparison with a portion of Martins Park and a portion of uh Rose Kennedy Greenway looking at that poppus way space. So, not an insignificance, it's not a huge space,
but not an insignificant new green space and open space to connect to the reserve channel. Next, smaller and more modest than we originally had for the West First Street open space, but we think still consequential and a kind of wonderful anchor and gateway for the
existing neighborhood to come into the community uh at Reserve Channel at F Street. Next, and then each one of those is really has ideas about programming, about character, about vision that we've been working with Scape on. So this is a kind
of diagram of what we can deliver and execute in phase one in the A and B blocks next and that is the beginnings of this broader vision. So all of it is is looking at what can we do now? What can we deliver in in in the shorter term but also how does that connect to this
channel connector the potential for F Street the innovation commons if you go next that you begin to see each one of those is part of this broader vision. So it comes all the way back to where we started with the idea of a basin loop, the creation of this what we call
resiliency park here, that central open space and then this series of connections, the neighborhood gateway, the innovation commons next that gives you uh this broader connectivity as as Justin uh and one
Carlos were mentioning at the beginning where we can connect through to F Street, create a significant open space, have Papis Way become um discontinuous so it's a limited access waterfront open space and then next we also have this broader connectivity to the overall
network so responding to east street and the freight corridor having the bike lane and infrastructure on west first street changing the character and nature of poppway connecting to that basin loop and having that broader connectivity so
I know it was a lot I know it was quick but but hopefully it was useful to give you a little bit more about where we are in phase one, what's driving the framework, and then what we I think didn't do at all last time was give you a bit of this broader perspective about
the connectivity into South Boston and as as part of the transportation infrastructure. Uh I think that's my last slide. >> Yep. >> Thank you so much, Keith and Juan Carlos. Appreciate that. Can you put up
a site uh plan slide of your choosing? Thank you. >> And and Linda, if I could interrupt for a sec, I forgot one part of my preamble. Um and that is just a reminder to everybody that starting uh January 1st,
2026. Uh the commission is no longer taking live public comment uh during subcommittee. It is limited to a project's introduction. Members of the public interested in submitting comments to the commission are encouraged to do so in writing by emailing them to
bcdcboston.gov at any phase of the project's review. Thank you. Thanks Seth. And commissioners um like Ann Marie has done if you have a comment feel free to raise your digital hand. Just a couple of
things uh to set the stage. The first is that the last time we saw this project was a little over a year ago. And so it was great to see some of these refresher slides today and the changes that have been made over the last um year. And the
second comment um we have a commissioner joining for their first subcommittee today. And so just a reminder that we use these sessions very much as a roll up your sleeves type of session, work session that are a little different than the than the meetings that we have with
the full commission. And so we encourage those comments to follow that more informal vein. And with that, uh, Ann Marie, >> thank you. Thank you for your presentation. You covered a lot of, uh, you present a lot of complex information
very clearly and succinctly. I'm still absorbing and processing. Um, there's a lot I like about this framework. Um, one of the questions I have is, could you tell us a little bit more about what is happening at the intersection, I guess,
across the street from where you propose to create the first street open space. >> My audio was off. Uh, you mean to the pa page left across West First? >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. So, so that is that is that is all uh outside of the
boundary existing residential neighborhood. So, all of the improvements that we've been making, one of the challenges of West First Street is it's actually rather narrow and limited as a right of way. And so, there's been actually been a fair amount of conversation about are there
opportunities to uh address the public realm and that broader right ofway? and we're doing on our side um everything we can and more. So, I don't know if you remember there was a section where some of what would normally be within the public right of way in terms of
improvements are actually happening within uh the property line. So in order to what there's been a desire to maintain travel in both directions, maintain on street parking on both sides of the street and then create this separated bike lane which we do that
consumes the entirety of the rightway. So the street tree plantings and the public sidewalk in this instance is actually within proposed to be within the private property and then this landscape setback zone. We have not as part of this proposed any modifications
on the other side of the street. All of that is uh existing, but I know there has been a lot of of conversation and interest in could that sidewalk be widened, could street trees be accommodated there. That's part of what I think has been voiced from the community and and I know has been been
raised with the city, but but we as a project team have not proposed do anything on that side of the street. >> Yeah, thank you for that. I think my question had less to do I first of all I understand that it is outside your project boundary. It uh my question has more to do with understanding the urban
context on that side of the street and in turn how it may inform what you do within your property boundary. And and what's really kind of on my mind as I say that is I really like the idea of um
F Street becoming this this idea of the F Street transformation, the idea of a public transit corridor and it's just making me think a little bit about is there an opportunity to create a little bit more of a gateway there. So, so yeah, I understand their constraints as
to what you can influence. It's just again how what you do responds to that. >> Yeah. >> It be nice to see the next time we see the project to just have a little bit more information about that. >> Yeah. No, it's a good point. We we we don't have that in this presentation, but we can absolutely bring it next
time. >> Thanks, Anmarie Kirk. >> Um, so thank you. Uh, I mean, I'm generally supportive of the changes that have been suggested. Um, I think the two places
I'd love a little more exploration uh might be West First Street and uh D Street um if I'm correct. So in particular,
uh I think a little bit further typology of what happens on the other side of West First Street and how uh street wall gets articulated. I I'm obviously supportive of moving the mass back and I
understand you've got to get density somewhere site, but on the edges, uh I think those become really critical in sculpting them. uh and making them more textural rather than some of the buildings seem a bit a
bit slab like um while while they're further back. >> Kirk Kirk, we're um your audio is cutting out just a little bit. >> Okay. >> Do you mind do you mind backing up just a couple of sentences? >> Yeah.
>> Better. >> Ah, much better. >> Yes. Is that better? >> Yes. Can you back up just a couple sentences for us? >> All right. Why don't Why don't you um here, let me uh put these away and see if that's all right. How about that?
>> Yes. Your image is frozen, but your voice is coming coming along clearly. >> All right. Good. Good. You don't need to see me. Um I'll repeat that. I I'm I was suggesting that I was generally in support of uh the organization ch
organizational changes and I was saying I was understanding the need for density in the interior of the site closer to to the harbor. Uh, I think my concerns were on West First Street and sculpting the
edges, albeit I love moving it back 100 ft instead of 43, I believe. Uh, I think that's great. But in terms of the street wall and how it relates to what happens on the other side of West First Street and the fabric of uh of West First
Street on the left side, it would be great to understand that a little bit. And then the maritime uses on D Street. I think it was the E buildings if I'm not incorrect. >> Street. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> E Street. I'm sorry. >> Um you mentioned those as maritime uses.
Wasn't clear to me what what that means in terms of a building typology and in terms of its character and it would be helpful to understand a little more uh about that edge. Certainly supportive of the improvements on the water's edge um
that you've articulated. So, let me stop there. >> Thank you, Kirk. Do you want uh Keith or Justin to to answer any of those today or just >> um It's It's up to you. I mean, I don't
want to take up time that we could spend getting other people's input, but uh but if you want to >> Yeah, maybe I'll just respond to one because I West First Street and I think we hear it. We'll we'll bring some things back next time. The one thing that I would just say about the frontage to East Street and the maritime
industrial uses, I think the simple answer is we're not sure. It's a longer term prospect for those parcels to even become available. But the idea and what we've been trying to do is create large footprint flexible parcels so that over
time whatever those pressing needs might be to support the maritime industrial uses that are needed in Boston on this access road close to the port could be accommodated there. So, I think that that the the real answer is we don't
know exactly what those will be when those parcels get redeveloped, but what we're trying to do is create a framework that allows for the accommodation and the response for that pressing need. >> Yeah. I mean, I guess I would point out
buildings like the food bank and um the rental car facility at uh at Logan where even though something might be uh quite significant in scale or that the rappers and the you know the treatment is very
thoughtful. And so I'm I'm trying to I guess if I were to articulate my comments in a very simple term, it's it's the holistic thought of of all edges and how they are interrelated or not interrelated depending on the use changes that take place as you go around
the site. That's it. >> Got it. Great great point. Yep. >> Thank you, Kirk. David Manf Freddy, I see your hand up. >> Thank you, Linda. Um can you go to page 41? which was a really helpful section um
through uh East First Street. And I think that what it's telling me is that um between East First Street, which obviously has to stay where it is, and the new F
Street, there's something like a 7 foot grade change, meaning that you're going to I'll say ramp, but you're going to slope, that's a better word. You're going to slope from um uh east first
up to a new grade at elevation 23 to 24. Uh, and I assume that would would run north at some similar elevation and and then someday
>> uh going through the the all the all the other ownerships find its way back to an existing summer street and then cross and then similarly this the other section that I want to see well first um
what I'd love to see is a a section That's um I'll call it north south. It's not quite north south, but all the way from east first. Maybe not all the way to summer because that's way beyond your your current purview, but um where you
hit the the edge of your property on the north side. >> Y >> and then the section the other way from uh let me see uh East Street all the way out to Papus. Uh because again
I assume you're raising E to a similar elevation but then you got to find your way back down to D. Is that all correct? >> We So the first part is correct. The the the West first street coming up hitting a higher grade staying at a kind of high
point spine along F Street through the middle. We also from I'm going to go the other way. If you take it from the waterfront at Papus Way, we do two things over the long term that are important to uh that waterfront condition. So we actually shift Papus
Way in plan and in section. It moves a little bit further away from the waterfront and it gets elevated a bit. So there's a part of that grade transition that happens in the open space and as part of the infrastructure on the other side of Papa's Way as you move up toward F Street. Same thing.
You're right. We're sloping and ramping up. We however are not proposing to change the elevation of E Street. That is actually so we'll be sloping up from there. But the other thing is we actually are eager to capitalize on that
grade change for the purposes of those maritime and industrial buildings and loading docks and access off of that freight corridor. But E Street is at the moment, at least as part of this project, is is proposed to remain at its elevation. So E Street stays, West First
Street stays, F Street is elevated, poppway is elevated a bit, although only probably two or three feet as opposed to the full seven. And then those additional grades happen through the site. >> And and so then from F
um let me make sure I got my letters right. from F back to E, you slope back down again, heading, I'm calling it west. >> West. Correct. Correct. >> And you got it. >> And again, um, you don't have to go back, but again, in that section,
um, there's parking and the parking is partially at grade, existing grade, but partially you're going down. How how are Let me ask a broader question. How are you parking the residential?
>> We are anticipating uh parking within each of those blocks. So within the A block and the B block in in the center of those blocks, there is a a parking podium and wrapped with
residential lobbies and and retail at the perimeter. So what you're seeing in the in the middle of these blocks, what's labeled raised courtyard, those two sort of midblock areas are are a parking podium
within that that has the wrapper of residential, community amenity, retail, and active uses at the at the perimeter. >> And and does that start at the existing grade, we'll call it 16, and go up from there to that raised courtyard
elevation? It is. I have to get back to you on that. Uh, David, exactly what that dimension is, which I don't recall off the off the top of my head because it's I think it's partially partially up, partially down. Yeah. I guess what I'm really saying is what would be really
helpful, and this drawing is great, um, to take a section all the way from the left side to the right side, but also to take a section all the way from east first at the bottom and go all the way up to where you're you hit your the your
property. >> Yeah, can do. Can do. Y >> but I and I agree with the earlier comments. This this is a very interesting this is I I think this is real progress and and a really good framework um and understanding what
you're trying to do here that sets up a whole series of of future steps and so you really have to understand you have to understand how all your block sizes will accommodate other uses as you get further north that that's the
other thing I would be help very helpful is to understand if of some very very simple dimensions uh on those on these blocks. >> On the blocks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just, you know, curb to curb or property
line to property line, however, or build to line, whatever's most appropriate. Thank you. >> Thank you, David, Shauna. I see your hand up. >> Thank you. Um, thanks, Justin, and
Keith. This was I think a very strong um strong presentation with respect to um the principles and some some of the execution. I'm very excited by this idea of the F Street continuation and also the discontinuation of Papa Street with
East First Street because th those two pair moves first of all start articulating yes a transportation corridor but I also think a central main street along F Street for for your project. So, um
I and and then I think the the character of Papusay being less of a vehicular p path and and so those are kind of some of the things I wanted to talk about. First of all, I think just understanding F Street more some really simple street
sections. I think your street sections along First Street are on West first are very informative. Um I most of what I wanted to talk about was was the same thing that David was talking about but from a slightly different perspective in
that we have with the 7 foot grade change more or less between the buildings and the edge understanding the from an open space perspective understanding the scale of these spaces and the section of these
spaces because it's very most of the precedent images that that you gave. Um, first of all, the comparatives the compar compare the comparative analysis. They're not exactly the same scale spaces. They're
parts of a space. >> Parts of it. Exactly. >> But they're generally flat, >> right? >> And your spaces are either flat with a 7 foot edge or stepped or sloped. And so really understanding that more. Um, you
know, I think the I would imagine that you're picking up your grade elevation in in the little space along First Street really by the sidewalk primarily, but but just getting a sense it's a relatively small space to to be gaining
7 feet. But the other part that I'm actually most interested in is the character of the waterfront because that's what's really an extraordinary possibility of of this site. Um, I'd like to understand the sort of potential
viability of the basin loop, but also understand that section because some of those spaces are really skinny along there. So they'll be quite quite discon disassociated from the buildings that they're that they're assoc that they're
adjacent to. And I don't know what the phasing of of the, you know, the general overall phasing of the different parks are, which is something I'd also like to understand. But if the and the big parks are fabulous, but if the big parks aren't coming online until everything else,
then I'd like to un So, your best, you know, your best shot at some sort of viable usable outdoor space is is uh what you're calling the channel park. They look kind of bigger here, but maybe they're not than on I think because maybe the roads aren't really showing,
but understanding what that space is. Maybe if we could go to the plan really more the the plan of a plan that's showing um the parks at the bottom of the sea blocks. >> There you go. Good. >> Yeah. Yeah. The so understanding both from a sectional perspective and um you
know more of a a a precedent perspective, what is that space going to be? Is it more than it's just right now? Is it just lawn with paths going through it? Does it bring you in contact with the waterfront? Does, you know, does it
does it start sloping itself? So really, and I know we're not, we're still at the, you know, at the framework plan strategy. So, so not understanding every detail, but more possibly talking about the perspectives that or the precedents that are very more
>> Yeah. >> relative. Yeah. that I'm just more I'm not as focused on the central open spaces because I'm sure those are going to be amazing. They're big and they're um but in the mean they're probably not coming online right away. So what is that waterfront open space?
>> Yeah, this guy. And will I I was just I was pointing that out because we do I didn't I didn't highlight them as we were going through it, but there are some images here like this. This is an image uh of Papus Way and the nature of that. Uh but we yeah we should get you
cuz I I guess the simple answer is particularly for this zone. Um we are super excited about some of the work that Scape has done and the idea is not that it remains what it is now. I mean right now it's it's open, it's accessible, there's pathways, there's
signage, you know, it's relatively nice, but there's some pretty significant uh programmatic and design enhancements that they've envisioned for that. So we should we should pull that and and share it with you guys because I think it's uh I think it's pretty exciting. >> Yeah.
Great. Um so yeah, so that so that's mainly mainly the thing the sections and characters of these open spaces given given the grade changes. >> Yeah. >> Also the really little skinny strip that goes along in front of the blocks that the blocks that are to the right that I
can't remember what their letters are. The I and J blocks. this this zone >> and and did you mention the K block in your presentation? I think you had said you were going to speak of it but I don't recall if you did. >> I did. So it is so o over over the long
term there is a hope and a dream and an idea about being able to uh develop that the the water sheet uh which is currently envisioned as as having a a hotel located on. So this is a kind of footprint that you see for a building
sitting on a broader platform that would essentially uh reconstruct what what used to be there that is currently uh again called the sort of watersheet. So that is in in fact part of the long-term plan. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thanks Shauna. Danielle, I see your hand up as well. >> Thank you. Um, and thank you very much for a very clear presentation. And uh, my apologies because this is the first time I've um, seen this project. So, um,
if I if I've missed anything obvious from the last presentation, please do let me know. Um, I think my my comments and questions were along the same lines as as David and and Shauna's and maybe mostly focusing um, along Papa's way. Um, and actually, could you go back to a
plan that shows the the the new open space at the intersection of Papus and First Street and the new circulation? Um, yes. Yes, that. Um, so maybe just two clarifying questions. one if is um if
that corner if the long range vision for that corner is to uh be an open space which seems like a really smart move given that the circulation will move towards F Street um what is the nature of Papa Way in the sense that like how roadlike does it need to be once that
connection um is is no longer is no longer there. So that's that's one point and um the other point is that you know it's you've you've managed just such a complex timeline of parcels coming on and offline and kind of this checkerboard of of development and I'd
be very curious um you know in some of the sectional studies that that David and Sean are suggesting um just to see some of the assumptions around resiliency and you know just what are the the levels whether it's the you know Massachusetts coastal flood risk or sea
level rise or because it's such a meager, small, narrow space and such an amazing opportunity. Um, but it would be really good to know 2030, 2040 um during certain seasons, you know, how much of that space may or may not be occupiable or maybe occupiable in
different ways and kind of present a totally different um kind of experience than it would on kind of a sunny day um scenario. >> Great. Yeah, great questions, good concerns and and I think we can we can absolutely uh address that and walk you
guys through the whole approach to the to the resiliency that we've taken. It is part I'll just the one thing I would just say is we have been trying to find that right balance but it's part of why we have been inclined to shift PAP way a little bit further away from the waterfront to elevate it
partially but but to make sure that there's that balance between landscape waterfront access resiliency and and usage our instinct just to your one question about the nature of Papus way is that having it be a full open
accessible public route. So, low speeds, vehicular access, but primarily about pedestrian and and bike lane. But we do think there's benefit in people being able to actually get down to and use that as a full public street and and uh right ofway and access to the
waterfront. >> Thanks, Danielle. Thanks, Keith. Kirk, I see your hand up. >> Yeah, Linda, did you want to go or should I I just have one more comment. I can go after you. Yep. >> Okay. No, mine is quick. Um, so mine mine goes to the activation of the water
sheet and understanding the um the objectives of making this a destination. I mean, I'm I'm conscious that we have so many great water edges that I now think uh to make something
compelling or attractive, it it almost needs a hook. And I don't know what the collaboration or the potential is to make uh this edge of the water
uh a destination. I didn't know if you had any thoughts about that. >> It's it's a it's a great question. I mean, our our our sense has been that it is an incredible and unique opportunity
um that we've been, I think, e eager to capitalize on. I think we have a not not dissimilar sentiment about it, right? That if you're going to do it, it needs to be worth doing. It needs to be special. It needs to be unique. It needs needs to be sort of extraordinary. So I I I think we we had always liked the
idea of of of uh of hospitality, of hotel, about having those uses that that have people coming and going that capitalizes on, you know, this kind of public deck waterfront zone um adjacent
to and proximate to to Summer Street. So I don't know. I think that's that's where our head has been. I think uh Mark Andrew, I don't know if you want to say more because I know the partnership has thought about wrestled with this for for a long time and it is kind of a unique asset in the overall project.
>> Yeah, I'll I'll just give some context and and good evening everyone. Mark McGowan with Oxford. Um good to see uh folks again and and some familiar faces. So so thanks for for your time tonight. Um yeah, this this concept for context
is really exciting, Kirk. So, it's great to hear you kind of focus in on it. You know, this idea of this basin loop um and and the potential. So, you know, Seth mentioned and just mentioned, you know, the papaces have been around this uh for a while. So, so they they've
really been seing this and h how can it start for the neighborhood first? So, this idea that it's going to be a a destination, that'd be great, but we want it to serve the neighborhood first. and the idea to connect uh to connect it is is kind of
paramount to that. So so even even more exciting and more recently is is Massport helping uh with uh with a partnership with with Senator Collins to to help fund a study to to look at this. So Boston Harbor now and are are
starting to look at what this um basin loop can look like in the short term uh as as well as the long term. So, so we're really excited about it uh in in what it can bring. Um but but the loop is where is where we get excitement and
then how do you activate that and how how do you engage uh the neighborhood more more broadly. So um so yeah, so really excited about it. Great, great to bring up and happy to happy to kind of keep the commission uh informed as as that as that develops along along with our process.
>> Yeah. And and I'm just I guess I'm encouraging you and I don't know what the potential is to even think about uh phased usage of the water sheet itself. You know, is it the Bellagio fountain at night and then by day it's a
you know elliptical paddle board destination? I who knows what it is. But just we have so many edges that are uh community boating or they are uh you know a water taxi stand or they're a
floating band stand and then in front of uh the Boston Harbor Hotel. I mean it's it's almost like you're you've got to do an inventory of what there isn't. I'm sure you can make a great walk and a great edge and great lighting and great plants. And I'm really thinking about
the fact that you can see this from the bridge, you can see it from the development, you can see it from the neighborhood, >> and what's the hook? Um anyway, it just just a thought to hear more about that in the future. Thank you. >> Great.
>> Thanks, Kirk. Um, I think there are some really great bold urban design moves here and a lot of them are are so much better worked out than when we saw this a year ago. So, thank you for taking a closer look at those and also incorporating our
comments from that last meeting. Um, I think one of the more most interesting comments that I heard was about the paddle boarding and I just want to add my vote to that, Kirk. That would be amazing. That would be a great amenity. I wanted
to add a few comments. I like the other commissioners love the idea that we're creating a really great northish to southish connection potentially all the way up to Northern Avenue along um F Street. And I would love to see a little
bit more information about that, particularly if we can go to slide 31. particularly as F Street cuts through that central open space. You know, I'm so curious. How does it feel to go from
your development parcel G1 all the way down to the channel? Um what is the elevation change? How do you cross F Street? Um you know, which hopefully will be more of a boulevard and have a park-like quality to it as well. and
then get down to I think what we're all excited about with that loop, the open space loop. The other uh question is about Cipher Street. I didn't hear anyone chat about that today. Maybe we can grab a diagram
that includes a little bit more of it. Maybe just zoomed out a little bit. >> There you go. >> Great. So I'm imagining that cipher to E continues to be more of a
kind of freight corridor and so that's the reason that there's the jog but I I mean I I think you're doing so many great moves to simplify the circulation by by connecting the grid
and making the blocks more legible. And so I would just love to hear a little bit more about that next go about, you know, are there other options for how that grid could be more seamless. So you could take cipher all the way down to
papus. Uh because I love the discontinuation of papus, you know, down to west first. I think that works really well. But is there another way, some visual cues or other things you would do with the roadway once it gets east of E
Street that still allows us to have that kind of legible grid? So, just one thing to think about. Yeah, it's a it's a great question, Linda, and it it admittedly, right, it won't be a surprise to you, the jog is quite
purposeful in in that we do I think everybody wants to make sure that the freight traffic is, you know, coming west on East Street, turning right on Cipher, coming coming east on Cipher, turning left on East Street, and not continuing through the middle of of of
this property, not going back down and becoming, you know, Papus being what it is today along along the waterfront. you you can see I think even at this scale one of the things that we've done and and I think have been encouraged to to do and to think about is there is a
purposeful chamfer of that building on the B block which is which is a kind of recognition spatially of bringing in and welcoming people and kind of pulling them in but admittedly it is for people
residents walkers pedestrians, cyclists, anybody, but not for vehicles. So, there's a connectivity, but it's offset specifically to make sure that we don't inadvertently invite or encourage uh freight traffic to come to come into the
property, but spatially to have a kind of relationship and and a and a corridor that acknowledges that that edge at East Street. But it it has been it has been one of the things I think that has been a real focus of and and frankly you know
good healthy animated debate about it because obviously the in a way the simplest most straightforward thing would be to just have alignment like we've got on so many of the other streets but in this particular instance because of the broader connectivity and
freight route we we we do think it makes much more sense to have that offset that in terms of the vehicular movements even though we acknowledge it urbanistically and in creating space and one Carlos I don't know if you want to elaborate on that because it's obviously a critically
important >> well I I would just mention that there were a lot of comments about the character of Papis way and the desire for it to carry less vehicles not more so I think this offset contributes to less vehicles finding their way to papis
way um and contributing to the goal of making it less vehicle ccentric. >> So maybe just sharing with us, you know, what does that intersection look like and feel like and how easy is it for a pedestrian or a cyclist to actually be
able to cross right over and not have to do that jog themselves? That would be great. And then um slide 47, this is when we start zooming into the
um and and um it it was just one thought that when we see you again, if it is possible, this diagram kind of turns the plan on its left side. >> It does. It would be great if all of the plans uh were somewhat in the same
orientation just because I think it'll help us to understand more quickly. Um I know I had to kind of recalibrate and say okay that's really actually needs to turn you know on its on its other side. That would be um that would be great. And then the last comment is similar. I
love that you started the presentation with that broad context of what's happening for many blocks outside and if you can drop some of these really powerful diagrams even onto an aerial
>> um if you can drop some of these onto that aerial so you don't have to change the diagram per se but it just helps us to understand the connectivity that you're striving for that that would just be a a small ask from me >> and Linda if I could jump if you could
just go back to that previous slide you were on this goes back to my question I think you know this is in respect to urban design I think it's really important for us to to be looking at this with the context of the other
buildings on the other side of the street you know understanding that that is not within your purview but it it we it's just essential that we see the the site you know, the site plan, what's happening on the site and the buildings themselves with what's happening um in
the adjoining context. >> Yep. Absolutely. >> Totally agree. So, I think these can be dropped just dropped into a um aerial frame for us so that we we get all those connections. I know Shauna has her hands up and then I can wrap up with the
collection of comments that I think you heard from us today and um and then we can go from there. And my comments are are pretty fast. I think this diagram answers one of my questions which was going back to David's question about
parking and I wanted to understand here. It looks like it's building by building. Each building has its own parking. If that is a strategy throughout the project or if it's, you know, or if there's an idea of, you know, kind of
super blocks of parking underneath underneath areas because obviously with the grade change, it's a it's a, you know, can be a pretty big gap in the streetscape experience. Um, and then the other thing I'd like to see, and I know you did a diagram where you were talking
about generally, you know, near long-term, midterm. I'd love to, and I and I'm sure you don't have a totally fixed um, phasing plan, but I'd love to have a little bit of a bigger better picture of the phasing and particularly
the open space phasing. So, like all of the turquoise is not coming on at the same time. And I don't know if you'll know if you'll know that, but if you do know more, I'd like I'd like to to understand it. >> Thanks, Shauna. >> Thank you.
>> So, we are encouraging public comment through um letters to the uh planning department. So, we will just kind of continue with our own wrap-up. I heard uh you know several
requests for our next meeting and while today focused on framework the next meeting will focus a lot on the phase one moves and then um also I think that there's a vein for learning a little bit more about open space. So I can go ahead
and recap the I think collective comments and commissioners if I missed a big one that you raised please let me know. and Marie started us off with really um wanting a little bit more information about um urban design moves.
There was also a request for kind of the holistic character of all of the edges of the site uh including kind of the other side of the street which I think you've heard a couple of times from from several commissioners. Uh kind of a third constellation of
comments was, you know, how do the elevations hit existing grade and helping us understand that not only kind of on the edges of the of the site but also within how do those grades begin to fluctuate a little bit. Another uh set
of comments was really to understand a little bit more about the me the dimensionality of blocks and I think that maybe curb to curb I think it also would be interesting to building face to building face. So I'd like to add that as well because I think it really gives
you a sense of how it will feel to be in those spaces. Then there was a request for kind of character and dimension character and dimensions of open space particularly as open space is taking up some of that 7
foot grade throughout and I think also as it's stepping down to the channel would be really helpful. Um, and then a request which I think Shauna just reiterated just to give us a sense of phasing overall and how open
space begins to play into that phasing and then walking us through a little bit more detail about resiliency and how landscape plays into that resiliency and also the general character of Papasway as we um start thinking about sea level
rise. And then the last two helping us to think through this um kind of exciting opportunity to activate this watershed. How do we let people know that these types of events exist and what might they be? And then last, what the overall
parking strategy is. Um, I think we've heard that at least in the first phase it will be centralized to each block, but are there opportunities for creating kind of parking destinations within the broader framework of the site and as other phases come online?
Commissioner, is there anything I missed? >> Seth, anything you wanted to say at the close? >> No, I think we're all set. And thank you for that wrap-up. Um, those are great notes, great comments overall this evening. And as usual, we will be
posting a video of this uh within the next few days on the city's uh or BCDC's YouTube channel uh so you can rewatch it uh to make sure you didn't miss anything. >> Great. And I see a question about that in the chat as well.
>> Yes. Um to answer the question, uh it will not be posted on the reserve channel. uh page. We're still working on that functionality. Uh but the city of Boston uh BCDC YouTube uh it will be posted there um hopefully within two
days. >> Thank you, Seth. Thanks to everyone that presented today. Really appreciate all the work that went into that discussion and presentation. >> And and sorry, just a clarification, I just reread the comment. The presentation will indeed be posted at
that link uh within the next few days. is and then the recording will be on the YouTube page. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Appreciate it. >> Great. Thank you. >> Good night everyone. Good night everyone. >> Good night. Take care.