uh it is our first meeting uh of the year 2025. Um and in my capacity as executive director, I also serve as the chair of the OPAC commission. Um so I'll have the opportunity later to kind of tell you uh
who these gentlemen with me are and you know what the commission is and some of the other entities within OPAC. Uh but at this point you know I'd like to call this meeting to order. Again, this is the first public meeting of the OPAC commission of 2025. We are required to
have a minimum four meetings um a year and we're trying to have these essentially quarterly. Um so it is now 5:21 um p.m. and I'm calling this meeting to order. The first order of business,
hopefully the the screen is there. We can start the slide. we go over some of the agenda items of what we hope to accomplish today. uh as I said next uh we're going to the introductions of the other commissioners uh that are present with me and then
I'll take about 20 minutes to go over essentially reintroduce OAT to the community for those of you that are present and those online those hopefully that get to view it uh on YouTube to kind of just start there because in fact this is my first meeting that I am
chairing and these gentlemen with me they're their first meeting so we are taking this opportunity to sort to really educate the public about who we are uh as OPath and what we do. Okay. So, this is something that you know this essentially but today we're going to try to do because again it's the first time
that we are all here to do. Then we are going to get into some of the business of the commission itself which includes running through the last meeting minutes. Uh I'll have a brief time as well to provide some reports at
the time around data quarterly data over the past quarter. if you will. And and finally, we'll have uh which is I think the most important part of this meeting is that this this is not a hearing. This is a public meeting. So, the public can and should um participate by making
comments obviously here present today and certainly can submit them online uh through our email as well. Uh at this point um you know again I'd like to briefly as I mentioned earlier I'm Evan Kavalo. I am the I have the privilege of being the executive director for the
past year now. Uh next next week I think it'll be a year May 6 is when I started 2024 and um I'm also the chair of the commission. With me is uh Tony Fugate who's the chair of the CRB civilian
review board. And to my right, excuse me, to my left is Tony uh um I'm sorry, did I mess that up? I didn't mess that up. Thank you. Uh Tony Fugate is the chair of the IOP internal affairs panel. Uh and Sam Harold is the chair of CRB
which is civilian review board. Again, we're going to go slow here because I want to make sure that you understand the functions of the different boards and what it means for all of us in the city of Boston as we continue to do police accountability and transparency, which is what this office was uh
entitled and purposed to do. Uh, and again, I'll get into that conversation a little bit uh later, but at this point, hopefully their bios are already up, but I'd like to give a a quick cut opportunity to both uh my colleagues here and partners to introduce
themselves. Good evening. My name is Tony Fugate. I don't know what my bio says, but uh I've been an attorney for 45 years. I'm the founding partner of the law firm of Bard and Fugate in Lyn, Massachusetts.
I live in Boston and primarily all of my work has been in Boston for a number of years. I do both criminal work and civil work. Uh I've worked in the courts of Roxbury, Dorchester, Suffach Superior Court doing criminal and civil work. In the criminal side, I've done everything
from motor vehicle infractions to murder cases. Uh I consider myself in semi-retirement right now, so I'm only working about 50 to 60 hours a week down from about 80 or 90. But uh glad to be on the board. I think this is incredibly
important work. Uh I'm glad to see that there's a turnout today for individuals that are interested in knowing what ALTAD is all about. Um again, I just began recently appointed. Uh and I think hopefully in the next couple months we'll get into the meat of all of this.
Uh we've already had one meeting and again it's it's it's a wonderful opportunity uh not only for me but it's an opportunity for the community to have some real input on what happens in internal affairs issues. Pleasure to be here. Pleasure to be on the board. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.
Um, my name is Sam Herold. I'm a public defender in the uh Roxbury Youth Advocacy Division. I primarily work with children that are charged with crimes. Um, I've been doing it for about six years. Before that, I did uh district and superior court work. Um, I work
mostly in the Boston Juvenile Court. Um, and I'm also in the uh the training unit at CPCS, which is the Committee for Public Counseling Services. It's the major public defender organization uh in Massachusetts. So, I train new lawyers
on best practices on being a defense lawyer, being a defense attorney. Um, I love that work. I am honored to be here. Um, this is a really amazing uh organization and a great opportunity um for uh community involvement. I think
that there hasn't been enough of it. Um, and we're here now uh to make some real changes and I'm I'm happy to be here and supporting that. Thank you. Thank you. I hear you and welcome again to both of you. Um, it's an honor to serve with you in this capacity. And I didn't say this
earlier too, but I I too I am an attorney. I'm a former prosecutor. In fact, I prosecuted cases in Roxberry District Court. I was prosecuting guns uh in the city of Boston and I had the privilege also to serve as a state representative briefly on Beacon Hill. Uh but enough about me and us. Uh let's
let's talk a bit about let's meet some of the rest of the team that are us with us today. Next slide please. Uh and if please if you can just stand up if you work for OPAC. Uh you could see their pretty faces on the slide. Um um but uh you know deputy director Essa Lenia with
us. Uh she's a recent hire. We'll talk more about that. Uh and uh our chief of staff, Ma Kundar, who uh is uh wow, you're a trooper for being here today. Thank you for being here. Executive Assistant in
the back here is Cheyenne Isaac Dorci, excuse me, Dorset Bill. I'm sorry, Cheyenne. Um and intake is Andrew Sherry. Um Cherry Cherry. Cherry. Thank you, Eric. Uh Diana Bgara is here as
well. She's our investigator. Uh Taiisha Marius is intake specialist. She's also here. Our community engagement specialist. Abdullah Beckett, one of our new hires. You saw him at the front. And finally, certainly Michael Burgerer
who's a policy and data analyst is also here. This is the team that um in fact our office is literally down the street at 2201 Washington Street. Uh the head of our view and the people of the city of Boston. All right. So, let's talk a little bit about OTAAC, okay? And what
and why we were created. What's the purpose of OPAC, right? Office of Police accountability and transparency. Next slide, please, if you have it. Thank you. And so, we were created in 2020. Uh, OPAT was created in 2020, December 2020 to serve as an independent civilian
agency to provide oversight over the Boston Police Department. It is uh in fact uh if you I'm sure you remember this was was a turmoil time around the country in the world really. This is when we had co 19 and unfortunately among many George Floyd was killed by a
police officer and that caused protests and people pushing for reforms across the country. Uh and of course in the city of Austin we also were able to move things along which uh was then uh led to the creation of of OPAC uh and it is by
se I say creation it was created by ordinance it is city law uh particularly in chapter 12 section 16 of the city of Boston code and again the really the idea is to provide a single point of entry for individuals with concerns
complaints uh related to the Boston police department and its offices. We primarily investigate complaints uh which is what the CRB does, right? Investigating complaints help us with that. And on the other side, we also u the internal affairs help us with review
and process uh of the the the Boston Police Department internal affairs investigation to make sure that those investigations are thorough and fair. Uh we also uh can and will do um you know review proposals and policies and regulations uh and procedures from the
Boston Police Department. Let's uh the next slide please. Uh as I mentioned sort of I wanted to kind of give you a sense of what we look like. You can see our or chart if you will organizational chart. You can see that all of us uh particularly the the all of us here are
are appointed by the mayor. So we are a city entity, city agency. I was appointed by the mayor again last May. I am the executive director. You could see that on the right side over there you have the OPAC commission which again that's what we are the three of us. So
the chair of the CRB along with the chair of IOP with myself as the executive director we are the OPAC commission. uh and within under that there is the again as I said CRB on this side and IOP on the other side and CRB
is a nine member uh board of civilians made up of civilians from the city of Boston and on the other side the IOP is five member uh board made of primarily of legal profession and we'll get a little bit into uh details of some of
those things that you know each board do I won't go you know uh because I'm trying to sort of not do too long of a presentation. So, I'm not going to go into detail in terms of what they what they all do. But again, the next slide hopefully now shows what the CRB does, right? In fact, you can also see some of
the new members that were appointed uh to the to the to the board as I said, including the chair. There's nine people in that board and that board is very diverse from people across the city, different parts of the city, different backgrounds. Um um and most of them
honestly were just appointed recently to do the work of the city of Boston. You could see what they do. Uh, as I mentioned earlier, CRB in particular, the core role there under section 12-69 is to investigate complaints of the Boston Police Department um, uh,
against the Boston Police Department against police officers uh, and make recommendations to the Boston Police Commission about um, you know, any appropriate uh, uh, sort of measures to redeem or or making sure that officers are held accountable in the city of
Boston. Uh that board is also required like this board to have public meetings. We meet quarterly. In fact, we just met um when when was when was the meeting? On Tuesday, April
March 25th. March 25th. Thank you. We just met last month. I'm I'm thinking we're in May, but we're still in April. So, we met last month uh for the for the first time this year at least. Um and then next next slide, please. Go to uh excuse me.
The other board that Tony chairs is, as I mentioned, that board is made of five people primarily uh from the legal profession, mostly lawyers to be honest. Uh and their powers also um as I mentioned earlier, includes reviewing internal affairs uh investigations. So,
traditionally, as you may know, you know, before OPAD existed, when people had complaints against any members of the Boston Police Department, they only had the option to go to BPD, Boston Police Department Internal Affairs, and file complaints. So, now though, that those complaints can still be reviewed
by civilians. Uh, again, uh, the I4. Okay. Uh the the the main difference to kind of rewind a little bit historically is that the CRB now is a new entity that exists where civilians do not have to go to BPD to file complaint. They can come to OPAT directly and we investigate
those complaints. And uh as a final note, the CRB board functions more or less as as a jury panel, a judge panel. They come in and help us make the final decisions on the cases. the cases are investigated or reviewed by the staff
particularly I mentioned the investigator that we have uh we have intake coordinators that take in the complaints. So the the work itself goes through the staff the administration OPAD administration if you will and then gets in front of the board and then to the public and to the commission and to
the mayor and so on. Does that make sense? And the other thing that I that I want to say here as I sort of divert from the from the presentation a little bit is that all of our you know all of our reports the decisions that the boards make are online. This is where
the transparency comes in. Everything that we do is designed for the public to consume just like these meetings that we are having on a quarterly basis. In fact, we have meetings monthly to discuss the cases that we're going through. So this is to make sure that the public understands the work and have
a say on what the work is uh for OPAC. The final uh space that I wanted to uh touch upon again this is the sort of why we're here today is is the OPAC commission as I mentioned earlier the three of us are the commission and the commission's role is slightly different.
It's sort of like the oversight of of of the entity if you will and it create uh rules uh regulations uh and policies around how to conduct investigations. Uh and it certainly uh uh one thing that I mentioned as uh that I know is very
important to the public is that this commission has the power to subpoena records, subpoena people just like courts do. So we can we can essentially send subpoenas to someone to attend an interview to come to to a hearing and so on. And as you can see here on our
slide, it's uh a decision of the two/3s of us, two two out of three has to agree for subpoena to be issued. And then finally, again, we are also required to have public meetings and um and do plenty of of
uh reporting uh as well. Okay, I think that's where I should stop now, but I'm going to review my notes um to make sure that my report. Okay, I think this is um Sorry, let me go back to my
um little I have a little tech difficulty following my my so here uh as I find where I'm supposed to be next. I think I'm looking for my um what do we call this? Is this runner show? Nothing. My running show so I know
where next. I apologize for the brief um so I know where where we're going next. Last minutes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. So thank you S. Cheyenne uh is is very helpful. So thank you. So the next order
of businesses now sort of we're going to start going into sort of some some of the more typical things that we do in this in this public meeting which is obviously again review the meetings of the last excuse me minutes of the last meeting. Uh and unfortunately uh the the these two gentlemen were not present uh
in the last meeting because we had other people involved uh as they both mentioned they were new newly appointed so they were not there. I was there I reviewed uh the the notes already um and there's there's no any corrections needed. Um so um so at this point I'd
like to hopefully entertain a motion for um you know for approval of the minutes of of May 7th which is when the last meeting was May 7th of 2024. I'll make such a motion at this time. Thank you. And any second? I will second that. Okay. At this point then we'll approve
again this is just basics. We're approving the minutes of the last meeting that we had as a commission. So here um it looks like I'm going to continue speaking um because in this portion of the of the meeting and I'll try to be as brief as possible because I
really again want to get to the to the most important part of the today's business which is hearing from the public. Um I'm going to give a brief sort of report about essentially the last quarter. What is it that OPAD has been up to as an agency? What is it that
the each of the boards have been up to the last um particular again the last four? Okay, so on that note, I will now clip. This is a little um unhealthy for me because I can't see the the slide. So, I got to find it in
my binder. So, that's a disconnect here for me. So, I apologize again, but I'm sure I'll figure it out. All right. So, this portion, this slide should say executive director's report. Um, and again, I'll try to spend five to 10 minutes here to just kind of give you
a snaps a summary of where we are and where things are with OPAC generally and as well as each of the boards. And you will see that the focus next slide please. Uh you will see that the title of this slide is capacity building community engagement and communications because those are the things that we
have been focusing on. Unfortunately for the agency over the past year uh certainly a year and a half a year year and a half to two years there were a lot of senior teams uh members that left including the ED deputy director the chief of staff many many of the staff left. So when I came in last May, part
of the focus has been primarily to to build rebuild capacity. And I know you will see that as I mentioned earlier, we've hired significant amount of people including the uh deputy director, the chief of staff, the policy and data analyst and in fact we recently hired community engagement individual which we
did not have before. So we're focusing on building capacity. Uh and in fact you will see there that we have a couple openings. Uh we are hiring a um a couple investigators uh for our team. In fact, that the the link just went out
yesterday online for people to apply. Share uh with people that you think could be a fit. You can find it at boston.gov/career-center. Um so the building capacity continues to be a focus. And I will say that hopefully in the next week or so we also are on
boarding a administrative assistant uh a new member of the team as well. So we'll continue to sort of make sure that we have a team that can do the work for the people of the city of Boston. The other thing that that I've been focusing on since I started particularly is around community engagement which is I think
you know critical which is why we're doing these meetings like this one in the community. We're going to next time we're not going to do it in this place. We're going to do it maybe in Dorchester or maybe you know maybe in High Park and elsewhere so we can kind of be available to to people throughout the city. What key things that I've been able to do the
last uh several months is have coffee hours myself particularly and some of the team members will go throughout the city. I think we've had 10 plus of them every two weeks on Friday at 10:00 a.m. we'll go to a particular part of the city in a coffee shop or library to be
available to have a table to talk to people about the work that we're doing. In fact, the next one is coming up. Uh it is on May 9th at 10:00 a.m. uh in High Park. I'm sure we'll have uh more details about that later. We also have
launch thanks to the work of our new community engagement individual Abdullah. We have um been doing open doors monthly in El Patch as I mentioned office down the street. And every first Wednesday of the month, um we have, you
know, a couple hours when people can come in and hear about the work that we're doing, meet some of the team members. I think on May, uh uh next week, I think May 7th from 5 to 7, we're going to have a next open door meetings. Uh and I think we're going to be focusing um you know, you're going to
meet the investigator and talk about some of the work that she does. We also thankfully uh thanks to the work particularly of our chief of staff we ran digital billboards to let people know the work that we're doing in the city of Boston. You might have seen them on the side of highway uh and some of
the tea stations. Thank you so much. And uh we relaunch and launch our social media uh pages including OPAD Instagram uh uh we also have Twitter account. We I think we just launched our LinkedIn account as well. So, we're just sort of being here trying to do the best we can to communicate with the people and
engage the people of the city of Boston about the work that OPAC does. uh this portion I think in light of sort of you know where we are with things I may not go in depth on this uh but a lot of this information as I said it's on
it's on our website and um and uh you can see essentially some of the data about OPAC right and you could see that since 2022 for instance to now we've taken in 370 complaints uh in our office
uh the CRP specifically has heard 15 cases. The the office is are 34 cases. You see some of the details about you know the findings including 14 sustained and some cases obviously that were not sustained. Um and then you can see the next part of the slide at the bottom
there. You could see uh particularly I wanted to focus on this because this is since I started more or less in 2020 some of the data you can see that we increased intakes of complaints 144 complaints received uh last year in 2024
and that was the highest uh since since the inception of the agency. Uh and again you can see some of the numbers around what cases um OPAP the CRB and IOP also heard. I won't go into details of some of this because I think I can the more important thing is for us to
get to to um to your comments. So I'll go to the next slide please. This is the sort of this this slide slide 15 is is more so more what we will do in the future going forward. This is essentially reporting the last
quarter which is obviously January, February, March and what happened at OPAC in terms of complaints. You can see again that we have 14 complaints that we took uh in the office and the complaints can be put you know people can come in in the office and make complaints. They can go online. We have an intake form
online. They can call the office. In fact, they can make complaints uh anonymous as well if they don't want to identify themselves. You will see here that some of the some of the sort of core spaces of where we're seeing essentially what kind of cases we're seeing. Okay, we're seeing cases that are, you know, five of them were police
officers being disrespectful or allegations of police officer being disrespectful to people. You see five neglect of duty, two operation of a motor vehicle, one abuse of of power and then be below that again you can kind of see some of demographics of people that
are coming in to file complaints. And here certainly the last quarter you could see that uh most of the people uh more than 50% of the people were black African-American with that being eight uh male and female seven male six female one declined to answer. Uh you can also
see there um that we had eight straight sex eight straight heterosexual people two gay and lesbian people and so on. Uh and other people as you saw there number four people also declined to answer uh those questions. they can be blind to identify themselves in terms of their
sexual um orientation as well. And you will see that we had um as I mentioned earlier, we had meetings uh last uh in March, it was March 25 and March 27th actually was two a big week for for the
agency. We had two meetings and the CRB heard five cases and uh the IOP heard two cases. Um, yes. So, I kind of rushed through that. I'm happy to sort of slow down and and go back. People wanted to to sort of dive into some of the data. All of this
is available on our website. We also obviously uh the team is there. I'm there happy to meet aside and discuss some of this if folks have some more detailed uh discussions about what kind of cases we're seeing, you know, what the data suggests uh and so on. But I I
kind of wanted to rush through this because I wanted to get to the to the best part of the meeting um which is the public comment. But before we do that, I think the one other thing I wanted to sort of bring up here is this uh other business. Other business just means next slide please Shyenne if you haven't. Um
trying to move this back. Yeah, maybe that would have been helpful for me. So if u move the whole thing back. Yeah, Cheyenne says no. Then maybe it's enough. She said no. She said no. I try to listen to Cheyenne. What does it say
over there now? Say other business. Other business. Thank you. So here this is a space for you know if there's anything last minute that any other commissioners thought about that we didn't discuss interesting that we didn't notify the public. As you as you all know, our meetings are again attended by the public and we have to
notify the public when the meetings are uh through the uh through the city of Boston, particularly the clerk's office. And we usually pick an agenda in terms of what we anticipate uh doing that day. But there's things that can come up uh and typically right now again we would have in-depth discussion. Hopefully the
next meeting we'll talk about, you know, some of the regulations that we have, how to amend them, how to how to improve the regulations. We also have um some uh you know some policy work that we're going to be discussing uh that's going to go through the CRB particular. So uh
there's a lot of work important work that we're going to do in the shooting meeting particularly in the next meeting. But I wanted to kind of just close at this point unless again any of the uh uh commissioners have anything that they want to uh bring up in other business. If not we'll go into a public
section of this uh of this meeting where again the focus is to listen. uh it's a public comment. Uh obviously we try our best to answer any questions but uh the the focus here is to just hear feedback uh from you all about the work that we're doing and how it improve and what
you're seeing in the community around you know what BPD is doing and so on. So it's an a space where the the voice of the public really matters for us to collect that information improve um the work that we're doing. I'm not sure if there's anyone online. his folks again obviously we're on Zoom as well and I
failed to mention but this meeting is recorded uh it's kind of in the end now at least of my section but the meeting is recorded it certainly will be available online for people to view it'll be on our website um and the minutes will also be minutes of this meeting will also be published online um
so there'll be many other ways for you to sort of track what we're doing but you know love to sort of hear thoughts um on the work that that that's happening and the work to be done uh we have a I put it to the side but we have a podium here that we can move to the
front if people are inclined to come uh and give thoughts uh in terms of the work and um but again there'll be opportunities in the in the future as well through email particular particularly if you want to u you know send us comments as
well and I'm trying to find the opad email can anybody help me with the opad email thank you very simple email opadboston.com Chicago, right? So, that's a place for you to send comments as well. Um, and we'll try to, you know,
obviously, you know, depending on how many people want to comment, you know, we'll give people attitude, but we'll try to keep uh comments to five minutes if possible, be respectful, uh, everybody other than particularly at the stage here. Uh I'm a full-time employee of the city of Boston, but these gentlemen are our volunteers, you know,
um and so try to be respectful of of our time and and the people that are doing the work, particularly the team uh that's doing all the work. And without further ado, I know I introduced them earlier, but I really want to give a shout out to my my entire team for the amazing work that you do on a day-to-day
basis. This is not an easy job. I was a prosecutor. I was a state rep. I've told people every time they ask me like this is not an easy job. the topic. He's very in charge. The issue is very important to the city of Boston. And so, you know, again, kudos to all of you that that signed up and continue to sign up to
work for this agency and improve the city of Boston, particularly in the space of police accountability, transparency. So, at this point, again, unless there's any um any uh any questions or notes or anything else from the members of the commission, I'll I'll I'll sign turn it up to the public for
any comments. Happy you know obviously you can sign in you can just come up I think if we can uh maybe move this uh should we move this forward or is that okay? That's kind of like an inside. Yeah. So we can kind of sort of Yeah. It was it was sort of Yeah, that's fine. Thank you.
Yeah, that's perfect. Certainly certainly please don't opportunity for and shy anyone online uh online raising their name. Okay. I'm sorry. Question. Sure. And please
tell us your name. You know you live in the city of Boston. It's great and what you do. I actually want to be interpreters but I Oh, you are. Yes. Thank you. And we do have interpreters. Yeah. So today and I live in the city of Austin,
my town of Boston. My question is surrounding human sex trafficking and children that go missing. And I wanted to know in terms of police accountability and how how you guys are working towards that with the children that go missing like how are we holding
accountable the investigations? How are we updating the public with the children? Have they disappeared? Have they been found? Is there a place or website that we can check the children that have been you know uh found or or anything to that? Thank you. Great great
question. Um and to be honest more so uh targeted towards BPD. I knew I am familiar with with I think they're called human trafficking unit that has um I've met some of the detectives and folks in that team. I know this is a priority for the mayor and all of us right in the city of Boston in terms of
of making sure that children are not disappearing. we all see them sometimes on Facebook and we're happy when people are found. Um but definitely, you know, important work that's happening. We sort of just serve more, you know, it's not that we can't play a role in the policy around what that looks like, but we're
sort of more, you know, behind the scenes of people, right? We're not the other thing I sort of failed to mention perhaps clearly is that we are independent of the Boston Police. Okay? So, we're not the Boston Police Department. That's one thing point of view to understand, right? So we're civilian entity that's designed to hold
accountable the Boston. Now for inance in this case if you felt that you know if you were familiar with some case right that that BPD did not handle properly right for whatever reason you could file a complaint or to sort of investigate how they did investigate or
not investigate. Right? So, but uh we also can sort of study it and sort of make recommendations how to improve those investigations, how to improve sort of public engagement around around you know human trafficking and things like that. So, but we we don't sort of that question is more so, if you will,
targeted towards towards BPD, I would say, but happy to sort of help you find more information about that if necessary. But I know for sure that they have I think the office actually is in Brighton. Uh they have a unit of detectives that are focusing on human
trafficking um on a day-to-day basis. That's the child advocacy center. Thank you. Um the Suffach District Attorney's Office along with the Boston Police Department uh collaborate on uh on a it's like it's still it has it's actually pretty cool. They have like
social workers and a lot of like interesting people that like go in and like interview children. Um and they do really important work. Um the other thing that I'll say is that like as somebody I've worked with a lot of young people who are at risk for this sort of
stuff. Um it's really scary. Um, and I really sympathize with what you're saying and I think that it's become a big priority in the city. Um, you see it in the news all the time on Facebook. You see it everywhere. Um, and we welcome um, if there's any I think
Aandro is eloquently put it if you have some issue um, please let us know and we'll review it. Um, absolutely. Um, this is important stuff and uh, it's our children. Yeah. Right. Um, so thank you.
Thank you for that. I actually work with a nonprofit organization that handles that works with human sex trafficking. So I was just wondering because we've had a couple of cases um that have come up. So I work interpreting and so I see that um it's
Destiny Rescue and I don't know if you've heard Eyes Open International. Yes. That's great work. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank and uh thank you for that intervention and to be honest I failed to do this earlier but uh since
different topic but related you know unfortunately we lost a young a young boy uh in a tragic accident in High Park 5 years old and uh I certainly you know I have three children myself and in fact I have a 5-year-old daughter and can only imagine you know the sorrow of the
family so I want to wish them at this time because that that's absolutely it's it's just it was to be honest, I'm still taking it in. So, so tragic. So, but at the topic I figured I'd do it because I think it's important that we talk about these
things. Do I have to go? You don't have to. But do tell us your name. Tell us your name. Okay. Do tell us your name, please. I have multiple points at that. Okay. Please. My name is Adriana. I'm currently interning at Boston 311 and
sometimes I get calls about complaints about police officers. I don't know what to do. The most that we do is send a report out like to the district, but I don't feel like anything can be handled. So, I'm glad that I came here today and now I get to tell people at Boston about
this resource. Um, I am a I was born and raised in Boston and I'm currently going to Northeast University. I'm a sociology combined with an anthropology degree. So, A couple of points that I wanted to go through. Um, is Boston um, is the
police officers in BPS a different entity? Yes. BPS is the Boston public schools, right? Is that what you mean? No. No. The police officers inside the BPS, a different a different company because you know how there's police officer stations at Boston public
schools. Is that a different um, No, that's the same thing. There's the same. They obviously and I don't remember all the details of it but the the law substantially changed recently in 2020. I think it's a state law changed around police within schools but they are part
of the part of so if you had a compl if like a student had a complaint say if they call into Boston oh police officer mistreated me or I don't feel like can they still report with you guys as for police accountability? I'm seeing nods. Oh, is it the Boston
police officer? Yes. Yeah. I just wanted to know because I did grow up in the Boston public schools and I did encounter some police officers and I seen behaviors like growing up like Yes. It's the school you would Yes. It's the Boston Police Department. Yeah. Yeah. I was just asked if some like you know
there's just procedures that we have to go through like the meta detectors and some certain schools and I just wanted to ask about that because I know a lot about Boston public school students at the moment. So like I just wanted to know if this is the type of thing they could come to report. They had a um problem with the officer inside.
Yes. Okay. Oh, another point. Sorry. Do you guys go out to communities like not even like as meetings or like just community based like say out to neighborhood and just like walk around? Like I don't know how to explain it. We uh we can um I feel like that's I don't
know from like a resident point. I feel like that's more beneficial. people may feel like a little bit scared coming into a setting like this. So like meet them where they at. I feel like that's a yeah Abdullah community engagement uh person can talk more about it but we you
know he attends meetings throughout the city. In fact uh Newman Square task force meeting those do walks I myself participate in peace walks and different things in the community. So uh and obviously we're a small team um we can't be everywhere but we are we we are you know as I
mentioned earlier the coffee hours the open doors we sort of being strategic about places we need to be in fact just yesterday u many of us was at the mayor's coffee hours like yeah man BPD will do events you know you know various entities within city city hall events
and we'll go to those uh particularly you know around public safety right uh and those that are focused on the work that we Um, but I will say one of the thoughts and ideas that I have particularly as someone who will serve as an elected official is to sort of do
those things be more hands-on in the streets you know passing our flyers which again we've done here but uh we are sort of slowly putting together a robust uh community engagement as Abdullah likes to say uh that involves you know formal uh spaces like this and
within our office but also in formal ways for us to connect uh with the community. Thank you for your for your question. I also have two more. Yes, please. I have a lot to say. Are you guys looking to go into Boston public school just to teach them about this
opportunity about this um department? Yes. Yes. Get youth engagement because I feel like it's just important to start from foundations. I I agree a thousand%. I think actually again went to a school. Yeah. Just keep went to a school
recently. We are hoping to have uh and very idea mode right now. It's not you know like sort of a civic engagement where we're going to present about OPAT through particularly in BPS schools uh in the future. Um but uh but I' I've been certain since in this capacity I
too have been to the schools but we're not sort of doing it conservative if you will like we don't have a plan that that gets us in the schools right now but we're sort of as I sort of mentioned earlier we're kind of starting slow to kind of build out and see where the gaps are. Uh but the other thing I should
mention um not sure I mentioned all the names of the board members earlier but we do have a youth delegate uh which is a person that's 18 to 21 that's part of the CRB board. Yes. Uh and we also have a youth
council that's focusing um in uh in in engaging youth uh again in that age group because as you know um you know those folks are are particularly I was getting coffee dunas the youth is everywhere right this sort of particular schools so we're doing our best to try
to engage uh the youth going forward so hopefully we we have your contact uh and you know when we get the which we're going to slowly bring back up the youth council. We can hopefully count on you to help us get some youth involved. And
we have inter interns uh which includes one high school intern in the past that we've had and and college intern. So we have certainly a big platform in terms of how to continue to engage. Sorry. Um I want to bridge a um a
connection between laws of 301 and you guys. So like if we get like assistance and reports and stuff like that, we could send it over to you guys. That makes sense. I had a situation where someone was at Mass and Cass and the police officer was like pushing them
away and being rude to them sometimes. I didn't know what to do with that situation. I felt really bad. So we should go talk to the 311 people, right? I know many know about us, but people obviously people change. Yeah. Uh and and my chief of staff actually used to
be part of the uh engagement uh uh team for the mayor and which oversaw 311. So it's very familiar. So we certainly should try to to connect with them and tell them about the search that we do. Thank you so much. And maybe again we'll have hopefully go through you at this
point. Tell tell me your name again. Adriana. Adriiana. What's your last name? Terry Rosario. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have your information? Huh? Did you sign in? Yeah, I did. Okay, good. And I'll at this point, um,
can you introduce yourself briefly, sir? Oh, my name is Re Stewart. I'm the director of community relations for District 7, and if we can be of any help to bridge that gap, you know, we'd be very much interested in doing that,
especially given that uh the OPAT office is here at Rubian Square, which is the heart of District 7. So, thank you. Thank you. be of assistance, call us. Absolutely. Thank you for I know I should have given you a shout out earlier, so I fig's
anyone else that represents um agencies or uh Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. Represents what? Any anything? Go ahead. What do you represent? Yes. So, uh my name is Jose Gutierrez and and I'm too related. We are.
You're not gonna just say that and keep going. So, I'm I'm engaged. I'm I'm paying attention. I am also one of the Spanish interpreters that is here for um the public if we were needed. Um but as you
were speaking, some light bulbs turned to in my head. And I have a question about language access. I work with the courts as a staff interpreter. I have seen you in superior court. Not you in the middle, but the other two gentlemen I have seen in superior. Yeah, they're real lawyers. I just pretend. Um
my question is about language access with defendants. I have interpreted for many defendants when they speak you know in lockup when they speak to their attorney saying that the officer didn't say anything to he doesn't speak any Spanish and they didn't find any Spanish
speaking person for me. Um, as you know, Miranda rightites are a very big deal and not only you saying it, but the person understanding it is a very big deal in a criminal case. I have personally heard of occasions where
there are complaints about the police either not addressing Miranda properly and it's up to the DA to take it to the judge and go down the um the court's uh processes. But do you have any type of
languagebased complaints in your um in your data set? You know, I I saw that um you're addressing LGBTQ issues, you're addressing uh racial issues, but um or at least by the the criterion of the of the people making the reports, but are
there any language um based collection of data around language? Yes. Okay. Michael, do we collect that information? You're asking if we've had any complaints um around like police not uh
interpreting and not communicating any appropriate language. No, more so if we have data around you know language people's language that come into the office to complaints more around complaints. It's actually both both. Okay. Yes. So yeah we're um yeah I'm our
policy and data analyst and I cannot recall um complaints in that regard. you know whether there was an interpretation or translation issue with the cops. Uh if there are then it's on it's it's definitely on the the lower side like much lower side. We don't expect all
police officers just to speak every language at once but definitely connect either with another officer that does or what have you. Absolutely no. I mean this is really important for us to hear just that this is a real issue that's happening. I I don't doubt it. I mean it keeps me in point but I
don't want to defend city of Boston. Um, and my other question is if um more for uh you sir with the DA's office, if there are complaints about you're good. If there are complaints about language access issues in the booking process
throughout the entire process of being a defendant or being formerly accused, can that defense attorney speak to you or bring the complaint to you about how the police handle the language issue with their clients? So, I um I really
appreciate this question because I feel like language access um has is like this burgeoning issue that I feel like um a lot of people kind of don't take um don't take to heart in the same way and it's become more and more preent as you
know um politics have changed a little bit. Um I'm not at the district attorney's office. I'm a public defender. Um so I refer CBS I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. the CBCS, the Committee for Public Council Services. So, I represent young people. Um, and I have cases that
you talk about where um a police officer will um will not provide Miranda in the inadequate language or in a way that the people and I'm sure Tony, you probably have had similar issues all across hundreds. Um, and this is um it's a big
focus point of our litigation. But what I think um your your hope I think is to try and get there a little bit earlier um to try and give them that access to that information in a language appropriate and developmentally
appropriate way early on. Yes. Um and I think that's a huge issue. But I also I I think that the problem is that I don't think people understand yet that this is this is something that we could really talk more about and we should be talking more about. Um, and we should be we
should be seeing complaints about it. Um, so I appreciate the question and I appreciate you bringing it um to this forum because now I hope like everybody can leave here today understanding that that is something that you can complain about um because people the police
officers have a duty um to explain their rights in a um in a in a way that they understand um and have access to. If there is a such complaint by a defense attorney, can your office or OPAD
receive those types of complaints and compile them in a data set? That's essentially my whole question. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. And and as as a side note, we even
though we're a small team, we speak several different languages within the office. I speak was born in Cape Ready Islands. I speak [Music] uh I'm not but thank you. Uh that's cool. So I speak Portuguese. Um Diane
investigators speaks only Spanish. Uh we speak Haitian girl and French. We speak uh um what do you speak Abdul? Thank you. Arabic uh we speak any am I miss any language? Okay.
Um really quickly we do collect data on like people self-report the same of the other demographic information. Um we ask you know the preferred language. Um and on the intake side if folks you know select a language other than English we make sure to reach out to translation first or interpretation to get that so
we can go into it at least you know understanding entirely what's going on. Very good. Good point. Yes. And we yes we offer uh translation service as today uh but I meant to say you know obviously the fact that we also speak and understand beyond the language of saying
those cultures uh is also very important. Thank you. Thank you. You know just a quick comment that really is a great question. Um one of my specialties in criminal law is motions to suppress be it drugs and or statements. I've had hundreds and
hundreds of cases u and we've been very successful in getting judges to suppress things based upon the fact that they were not given those rights into in uh whatever language they spoke. Uh but it's a good point. I never thought about even after I win one whether or not I should have reported at the Boston
Police Department. So, that's that's a great great question. Thank you. And uh let's see how that goes because that that is important. And and I think I find it in general um too that that more and more defense attorneys know that we're here. Uh where you're starting to
get emails from in that in that court world, if you will, of people knowing that our reports are up. Uh in fact, finding out that officers have been investigated by office, right? U so I think, you know, part of it is to get the word out. Um, in fact, I went and
did a a presentation with the CPCs and I intend to go on to different courts in the city of Boston, talk to to, you know, whether it's judges, uh, probation officers, clerks, all members of, you know, if you will, of the judiciary, uh, to, um, you know, to make sure that they know where he has a resource.
Very good. Thank you. Question. So, I had a couple questions last week. Um, so I understand that there's two main bodies of the of OPAD in general. It's like the CRV and then I correct. So um understand also like some different dispositions or like decisions
that you guys can make with the complaints that you receive. Are they the same for both boards or are they different? No. um they they essentially the same but so this board the CRB you know have those outcomes which is
sustained unsustained unfounded exonerated and I'm missing one at least right so need more information so there's some and that's all in your industry which I have my my copy over here it's all in in the
law and uh but so it's all it's all in here actually so I'll take some time to find um as as I'll tell you but the other board the IOT board really they are the key difference is that the IOT board
does not do investigation okay a review it serves as an appella court right appeal so the case goes through IAD through BPD if somebody goes through BPD and file a complaint and in the end the BPD found you know unsustained the
person now can come to our office within 14 days to file essentially an appeal. Think of it as an appeal of a parking ticket that you get. You want to appeal it. Then this body reviews it. They just they don't do an investigation, but they determine whether they agree with BPD or
disagree with BP determination. Does that make sense? But a lot of the underlying determinations are the same. Does that make sense? So it's BPD then that made determination that it was unfounded or that it was exonerated, unsustained and so on, right? Not this, not the CRP. Does that make sense? Yeah.
Right. So, but they uh the DIO board uh doesn't do they just review essentially the file uh what the BP internal affairs you know department did on the case and determine do we agree or not? Do we
disagree and uh you know go back and do more. We can ask for more. This is not thorough. This is not fair. Exactly. do more for on this particular case and we write reports and send those back to the commissioner of BPD for execution.
Hope that makes sense. Yeah. Um so with someone who has like say like that's active with with you guys. Yes. How what exactly are what kind of like communication you have with those people or like what kind of things they know
like in the process or or after the fact after. So um you know obviously it's specific to the case each time but the basic ones are you know we get a complaint and hopefully it's through you know the person comes in or to a website we have
information so you contact that individual and learn intake complaint that is an intake it's not a complaint just comes in information right so then we try to meet with you or or you know whoever the complainant is right the witness and find out what happened right
so it'll be an interview of person, right? And at the same time, they're collecting information going to Boston Police Department about, you know, if it's an arrest, if it, you know, if the officer show up in the scene, it has body cameras, all these different, right, to find out what happened. So, but in terms of contact, that first point of contact that should happen is
when you file when the person files a complaint, uh, intake usually, uh, and then and then intake actually the first person that you touch, um, to kind of hear what you what happened and then the investigator also follows up with you to learn more about, you know, any further
details or if there's any videos that you might have, photos and things like that to investigate. And then again at the same time trying to get information about LBPD or going to the scene find out what happened and uh you know hopefully at in those space you still can give check-ins in terms of what's
going on and finally when the case is sort of you know in its fruition right and it's towards the end that now comes before the board they let you know you know via email or call when you know this case is coming before the board uh on you know on March 25th and you have
an opportunity to come in and talk to the board and and and after that the the final touch should be his decision is is is what the board determined the body by the base. Does that make sense? Yeah. Um I guess my
question is what exactly are decisions made? What exactly are people like I guess to know about how the decision process is made? As I mentioned earlier, I think one of the key things about our apparatus,
operations are that ultimately the report of the investigator particular right and you know what what the board voted on is uploaded online like the reports and actually actually communicated to the commission to all the mayor's
office. So it's a public report. So, but is there any sort of like direct communication with the the body that the the body itself? Yes. I'm sorry. Uh I got distracted because did you want
to say something? No, it depends. Right. So, and this has to let you introduce yourself again please. Right. But sometimes depending on further invest
And even after the project, you know what I mean? And so um like I said, you know what I mean? Or there might be things with the kids and sometimes we have Pastor, can I ask you to come to the
front and speak? Uh because I know this you could be on Zoom. It's recorded. I'm not sure. Yeah, this is almost like a side conversation. So, it's fine. But there is more insurance happening. There isn't. Um I think though that this
this body as in the opac commission that would be something that we'll wrestle with uh in terms of determine whether like right now there is no no way to appeal beyond the decision of the CRB, right? Um and the ordinance
unfortunately is also silent on that but it does the ordinance does provide is sort of the overall oversight of the agency to this the commission and one of the things that I talked about earlier was um creating regulations right so
this is something and I don't know what's going to turn out if if anything in that space but we're going to be debating that topic about you know do does it is there an appeal process beyond what should it and if not why, right? But the ordinance is not clear,
not not clear silent until some of the appeal because the case is is essentially decided by the CRP notified to the to the commissioner and you know the commissioner makes the final decision. That's it's there. That's what
the the unfortunate the the setup of the office right now. but we will amongst other things including you know hopefully do subpoena subpoena officers and witnesses um and documents and things like that. So there's there's a gap in terms of sort of regulations that
we we're going to try to fill. We have a few pages of regulations but there's a lot of topics like this one that we need to debate to see how to best improve the operation of the office um as a whole and that's what this uh entity
does. Um, and uh, thank you again for your comment. Tell me your name again, sir. Oh, Sam. Sam, what's your last name? Liz. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Good to see you again. And you, sir? Uh, yes. Uh, uh, my name is uh, Justice
Williams. I am uh, currently one of two community specialists working with the mayor's office of LGBTQ. Awesome. Welcome. Plus advancement. um the mayor's office of LGBTQ um
advancement, we uh develop policies. Um we do programming with the community and I think what's really important here in this particular situation is that we partner yes with uh you know other departments
um in creating events. We also do training on how to engage with our community. Okay. Um we're currently working with uh uh superintendent
um deputy superintendent Deill. Um yes, I know very well. Working very closely with him and on how in a city of belonging can we keep our community safe? And when I think about that, I
think about how we exist beyond the intersections of our lives. And what do I mean by that is that we're isolated in one unique identity. And we don't see the connectedness
um in the ways that somehow um thinking about the relationships that we've had with the police in the past, myself as a black man of trans identity. So being a black man, my relationship
with the police in the past as well as my querness, right? Um so what we've done is we've been training, we've trained, right now we're working with the police cadets. Awesome. Um we've trained the community police officers,
but I feel like there's more training and conversation that we need to do. And I also feel like there's more partnering that we need to do with each other because we can't shift the current narrative without each other. And so I
want to make that offer to connect with you. We have a what is a hate crime event. Um we meet every month talking about what are the issues, the safety issues that our community is having. Um,
we talk about the relationships that has been happening with the the challenges that we've been having with the police officers and um, I think the answer is trying to figure out ways to build better connections. And to me, just like
this young lady said, uh, I hope I'm getting your pronouns correct. Um, that you need to meet people where they're a right. So, I'm inviting you to come to us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for
that comment. And we we uh we've talked about partnering with other city agencies and uh particularly you know some of the core I guess constituents that we serve that are mostly impacted by by police encounters. Uh we talk
about the youth are you just mentioned black men. Um somebody mentioned earlier immigrate immigrant population obviously right now right it's a big deal uh certainly the LGBT plus community is is an important part of that sort of subset of communities that we need to focus on
and partnering with organization or agencies like yours critical to make sure that uh we you know do exactly what you're saying which you know it's having conversations teaching police how to treat individuals uh you know uh that
that they don't see every day right that that are scared to deal with the police, right? Uh that are dealing with real issues and sometimes they call the police for something particularly with language barrier then you get end up getting arrested, right? We see that stuff because because police um there
may be language barriers. So those, you know, those departments like yours in Moyer, in fact, we just had a meeting in Moyer, which is office, immigrant advance, mayor's office, immigrant advancement to try to do exactly that to to make sure black men advance. We talked to them, which is another mayor's
office that exists within Seattle. So we I appreciate you being here. Um, I'm glad that you here. We're looking forward to to building our building um here with this guy. I have one one question. When's the meeting? When's the meeting? What? May.
Uh, what is a hate crime? Uh, that's going to be more of a community education. Um, and that's May 8th from 6:00 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. It's going to be at city hall on the 8th floor. We're on the 801. And did you sign in? Yes. Okay.
I insist some people sign in. If you haven't signed in, please sign in. um you can be in touch, you know, be updated about these meetings and other things that we're doing on a day-to-day basis. Thank you. Thank you. Tell me your name again, sir. Justin,
I heard that. That was cool. Justice. Thank you. I do have one final question, and I admit it is a little direct and and hard-hitting. Um well, two, the first one's easy, the second one's a little heavier. Can attorneys file complaints
on behalf of complaint them of complainants? Yes, anyone can. You know, witnesses if if you just see something you're driving by. We get a lot of those. Um obviously attorney or non- attorney, you can anyone can file a complaint. Obviously, the closer you are
to the situation and witness it, the better, right? Uh and as I mentioned earlier, we increasingly as of late have had more attorneys reach out to our office for different things. So, they can certainly file a complaint. Okay. And my second question is
um to what end? Um it's I think it's wonderful to have police accountability and transparency. I have seen and worked with other cities um Chelsea River other cities that have been starting to work with transparency with their police
departments Lawrence as well. Um but what are the end goals of compiling these complaints? Is it to change police culture? Is it to fire these repeat offenders with the data to prove it? Is it to kind of shift education at the
police academy level? Like what are your bullet point list if you will of your outcome, your expected outcomes? I'm not asking what you did yet because I know you guys just started. So I'm not going to ask what has been done but what are your what perspectives do you have for
your outcomes? So the data um that we collect right in fact I didn't mention ear I didn't mention this earlier but the CRB board just voted to have a subcommittee on policy one of the roles uh u that they play is to make
recommendations to BPD particularly the commission about how to improve policing whether it's again accountability related rule related policy related and so on so the data that we collect um is intended one and first and foremost for public consumption. So, so we know a lot
of this data to be honest in the past we didn't have right but number two is for us to analyze it for us to figure out you know use that data to make those recommendations right in terms of the cases that we're seeing right so hopefully that answer your question um
it does so you want to change policy and or um a subcommittee has been created in order to use the data that you're compiling for policy change okay correct and I think that like I think just sort of building off of Vandre's point is that you
know we don't know like a lot right because this is the whole the big part of this project is to try and get that transparency and so building that like subcommittee it's like one small part of what we what we are hoping to do and the
reason we um wanted to do that was because we were seeing things time and time again and we're like okay there's some changes that have to happen and we want to recommend amend those changes. So, I think part of what we're going to do is we're going to get that information and use that information to
like figure out what the best way to do it within the scope of our powers. We are an executive agency or a mayor mayor. We work for the city of Boston. So, we only have there's a limited a limited I guess view on what we can do.
But I think that there are hopefully some great things that we can do once we get more information. That was helpful. It was just a question. um in the past, what level of cooperation would you guys
or could um what level of cooperation have you gotten from the BPG once like after decisions are made and you guys make your recommendations and everything? Uh great question. Very good question. It's I think you know it's a work in progress. I think you know um I
certainly since I came on I've seen an increased cooperation. uh we've had difficulties unfortunately with police officers coming to the meetings to hearings or being interviewed. This is where again some of the fix is just about having them subpoenaed right which we're going to try to we're going not
try we're going to build the apparatus to get that done right. So some of it I think you know is is is built power that we have that uh in tools not power but perhaps tools that we have that we have used. So we're going to be losing those. But uh I also think you know with the
new commissioner that we have that's a couple couple three years two three years there too. Uh he's trying his best to sort of get ahead of things. I meet with him um regularly. We meet with uh with the particular internal affairs
division cases. So um so I think the level if I may say sort of honestly the level of cooperation is increasing but there's been challenges particularly uh because there was lack as I mentioned earlier uh you know the office was sort of the senior leadership of the office
was wasn't there for a bit right so uh and the one lens that I use to kind of wrap up hopefully answer your question is that we are the office that's to do the accountability and transaction we provide oversight right and I think like often And you know people think you know
you know they should just give us this or give us that way this way. We have to force those issues. We have to be at the table. We have to put the you know we have to subpoena. We have you know we have to be here pushing the conversation. That's what this office designed to do. Uh and you know an
agency like BPD I believe one the first if not one of the first in the country centuries function one way right. So within a few years you create an agency to provide oversight. You know there's got to be a shift of culture. There's got to be you know an intentionality
about getting and I think currently certainly from our team and from the BPD team I'm seeing it but we we we got to do more on our side to push them. I'd only add to that that there's a pain of power that this board has is incredibly
important for a long time. Yes, there are things that go on, but you you don't get a real answer. But now the subpoena power, we're able to bring these officers in. They're able to investigation, follow up on those type of things. But it it is it's huge to be able to get these investigations to be
able to bring these officers in and have discussions. It's really crucial. Follow question um about the subpoenas. How um like how that decision um like by the board is obvious different from like
the state or something like that. You mean how how does decision made as to as if the board were as to who we're going to subpoena or what what happens at the meetings we make a determination whether or not we think there's more investigation that needs to be done or we want to look at that investigation a
lot closer. I can tell you just at the past meeting there were questions about whether we needed some more information. Came to the conclusion we did not need it. But again, we read through these reports, we re we discuss these and we decide this looks a little thin. This
wasn't done correctly. But to be able to bring that information in through subpoena and then make a final determination important and something that will in fact exist. Thank you. Um we have uh you know it's 6:30 now and
we do have food. We've had I appreciate the discussion a robust discussion that we've had. Uh thank you for all of you that that came. Uh those of you online again information will be available. The video of the call of this meeting will be available online. Office is literally down the street. You can
email us u or send us uh even mail at 2201 Washington Street 0219 in Roxbury. We're down the street. You can email opat boston.gov I think is the the the
email very easy and um you know look forward for us to have particularly have these the new commission um on board and the other thing too I think I mentioned earlier we we we had we didn't have permission for we didn't have the chairs
that we needed to sort of do something we need to do but we are almost at full capacity we're up and running uh we expect to be doing a lot of great work for the city of Boston um and looking forward to having the community um the community as a partner, certainly the mayor and her team and certainly BPD,
the commissioner and his team as we move forward together as the city of Boston throughout how do we want to continue to improve um the Boston Police Department and how we police our residents. Uh and at this point, you know, if there's no
um further uh uh comments, I I'll take a motion perhaps to adjourn unless there's a final um comment from uh from my colleagues here on the on the commission. I'll take a motion for adjournment and we'll adjourn. We'll have some food and um we'll come back
next time. Thank you again. A motion to adjourn at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And uh this meeting is hereby. Thank you. and get the