Okay. And we should be recording. >> All right. Good evening. Welcome to the February 3rd meeting of the Boston Civic Design Commission. It's now called to order. My name is Mimi Love, chair of the commission. And I'd like to thank the commissioners for donating their time, sharing their valuable insights,
and shaping the city of Boston into a more beautiful, sustainable, and equitable place for all of its citizens. We're meeting in a hybrid format with commissioners in the room and attending virtually. We ask your patience as we can continue to manage technical issues
that arise throughout the meeting. The open meeting law requires that I notify the public that this meeting is being recorded. Please note that this audio recording will be available to the public. Before I do the roll call, I want to make a quick announcement. We
have a new commissioner joining us tonight, Danielle Choy. Welcome, Danielle. Um, she's going to be introduced more formally by Diana in one moment, but before anyone was surprised with her roll call, her name being called in
fast because we do go alphabetically and um, commissioners, please say present as I call your name. Daniel, present. >> Linda Easley, >> present. >> Uh, Diana Fernandez, >> present. Jonathan Garland,
>> present. Sonic Smith. I don't see her. David Hine, >> present. >> Kathy Codoras here. >> And Marie Lubenau, >> present. >> David Man Freddy, >> present.
>> Catherine Morris, who believe you're >> Yes. present. >> David Magahero. >> Laura Salano. I don't know if he's joining us this evening. Donna is asking to be unmuted.
>> Donna, you should have the ability to unmute now. >> Present. >> Thanks, Donna. Uh Kurt Sykes and Love present. So I believe uh
Commissioner Solano and Sykes are not with us this evening. Um all right. And so moving on to meeting minutes, we have to approve the January 6 full commission meeting minutes. We
did not have a subcommittee meeting in January. So um do I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. I'm going to call each one of you Danielle because you just joined. I'm gonna uh ask you to abstain. But
Linda Eley. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Jonathan Garland. >> Yes. >> Doniggo Smith. >> Yes. >> David Hassin. >> Yes. >> Kathy Codorus. >> Yes. And Marie Lubanel.
>> Yes. >> David Manf Freddy. >> Yes. >> Catherine Morris. >> Yes. >> Thank you. David Nagiro. >> Yes. >> And myself. Mimi Love. Yes. Okay. So,
the meeting minutes for January 6 are approved. Um, we have a short uh agenda today, but I'm going to hand it off to Diana Fernandez, the deputy chief of urban design to introduce our new commissioner. Thank you so much, Mimi. Uh, we're so thrilled to have Danielle
join us. Um, and um, I really want to extend a warm welcome to you in joining this prestigious commission and helping us shape our city for the better. So, um, Danielle is a licensed landscape architect, um, with many years of, uh, experience in professional practice as
well as academia. Um, she's currently teaching at the GSD, um, and conducting research on landscape design as a cultural practice that brings technology, infrastructure, and ecology into the dialogue with the public life. Um she's also currently serves on the
Harvard University design review advisory um task force which um came highly recommended from um and Troy has also spent a decade in private practice designing landscapes and plans for public institution and private clients um and continues to consult in the
field. Um she comes to the commission highly recommended um by multiple peers including former commissioner Kim. Um Troy is really recognized as a thought leader um in the field of landscape architecture and with you all we will uh continue to support um better design
outcomes for our communities across the city. Um you were sworn in uh just a couple about a week ago uh January 22nd and um I really want to speak on behalf of myself, the mayor and Kyros and
welcoming you um to this as well as Seth and the rest of the BCDC staff. Um we're excited to have your unique perspective on the commission um and welcome your voice um as you join this incredible group. >> Woohoo.
on behalf of the commissioners, we're excited to have you on board and I think we'll just leave Thomas for casual conversation after the meeting, but um we're delighted that you're here with us. We do have a short agenda tonight. Um we just have one presentation for
review. We're going to be introduced to the Bartlett Place Lot C at 26 Bartlett Station Drive in Roxberry. I assume we're going to have the planning uh staff um do an introduction. So, I'll hand it off to them. I'm just going to
give a little bit of a reminder that as of January 1st, public testimony is limited to introductions of projects. So, we will have the opportunity to hear from the public tonight. >> Thank you, Mimi. Uh my name is Seth Ryzman, deputy director of design review
and this is my first meeting as executive director of BCDC and I'm excited to continue working with all of you uh in this enhanced capacity. And this evening, a proposed project at 26 Bartlett Station Drive, Roxberry, also known as Bartlett Place Law C, is
seeking article ADB and ADC entitlements, contemplates the development of approximately 110,000 square ft of residential uses, 61 units, and 51 parking spaces in a four-story building on a.9 acre portion of a larger
8.59 acre site in accordance with a previously reviewed and approved master plan, which is uh Bartlett Station master plan and technically PDA number 94. Though the project falls below the required review uh square foot review
threshold, the approved PDA master plan articulates review procedures for subsequent associated filings, including this commission's review. The proponent filed a PNF on November 18th, 2025 and a draft development plan on December 22nd,
2025. Planning Department staff hosted a project review committee meeting on January 27th, 2026 and recommended that the commission vote to review the proposed IMP amendment and project. We need a vote to review the project.
>> Right. Commissioners, do I have a motion to review? >> Some move. >> Second. >> Second. >> Right. Um, as I call your name, um, say yay or nay to review the project. Danielle Choy, >> Linda Eley,
>> yes. >> Jonathan Garland, >> yes. >> Donna Gillis Smith, >> yes. >> David Hine, >> yes. >> Kathy Codoras, >> yes. >> And Marie Luven, >> yes. >> David Manf Freddy, >> yes.
>> Catherine Morris, >> yes. David Nagahiro. >> Yes. >> Myself. Yes. So with that, I believe can pass it back to you, Beth.
>> Yes. Thank you. And I will uh turn this over. We have a number of uh planning department uh staff members here tonight who will present the uh zoning uh planning and design review context. Ted.
>> Thanks, Seth. Uh Ted Schwarzber, assistant deputy director for planning review. Uh and for Commissioner Choy for your reference uh when we have a new project introduced, I always give a brief overview of the planning and zoning framework that uh you all will be reviewing the design within. Uh so I'll
present uh the planning history of this site. Uh so as Seth mentioned this mentioned, this is an 8 and a half acre site. Uh this is a former busy yard owned by the MBTA. In 2002, there was an MOA between the state and the city that put the Roxbury Strategic Master Plan
Oversight Committee and the BRA in planning for the disposition of any surplus state land in the Newbian Square area, then known as Dudley Square. Uh following that agreement in 2002. In 2006, there was a community process led
by the BRA uh to develop the RFP for this site. uh and key urban design principles to come out of that process now 20 years ago uh were to create a strong visual presence along the Washington street facade that is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric uh so that's along the bottom of
the page those purple phases that have already been built out so that has already been effectuated provide prof pedestrian friendly streetscapes with frequent public entrances active and visually transparent ground flooror uses and seasonal uses of sidewalks and finally the third uh overarching design
principle was to break up the scale of this large parcel by introducing new roadways and pathways. And uh the image on the bottom left side of the screen. Uh there's some small red arrows indicating uh the entry points uh uh for that singular parcel as it was in 2006
and that eventually turned into Bartlett Station Drive uh which is now our street uh through the the middle of the site and that provides the armature for the subsequent parcelization and phasing of the site. Uh Bart Bartlett Station Drive is an extension of St. James Street uh
that comes from the other side of Washington Street just off the bottom of the page and extends out to Bartlett Street on the right side of the page. Uh this uh framework then uh assess mentioned was codified in the master plan for the plan development area 94.
Uh that was adopted by the zoning commission in November 2013. And uh that original master plan uh called for uh a project on what was called block C uh or building C is noted here uh called for construction of a 50-ft tall apartment
building or town homes. And uh with that, I'll hand it back to Seth uh to describe the site in a little more detail. >> I'll actually turn it over to Megan. >> Thank you. Seth, senior urban designer. Here is our planning department. Um so we can see
the image on the left is that image of the master plan that was approved. Um and you can see that building C created a strong definition of the street edges along that new location drive. Um and it included, as Ted mentioned, both multifamily and um townhouse style
units. Um then we have the image in the middle is the 2023 um proposal that um the proponent team came into us for free where they were kind of rethinking a little bit of the planning of the site and created that um courtyard open to
Bartlett Street there on the right hand side. Um and you mentioned the parking through that area. Um so we then worked with the procurement team and um came up with the iteration that is there on the right. That is the what they filed with.
What we're looking at tonight is um we had them kind of rethink the masking a bit to follow more what was think we were have been thinking with the master plan overall. um to really create strong street walls and a street edge. And um we did ask them to look at creating a
placemaking opportunity, a kind of open space um you know plaza, something there as a gesture to the broader open space network um that exists there. So it's a corner that really is a pretty important
view. We get to the next slide. Um you can see these are the comments that we gave back in 2023. Um when we started working with the team the street wall along Bartlett Street and Bartlett Station Drive was very important. Um we asked them there's
so much topography on the site and so we asked them to really look at relocating the parking entrance to like use that grade change um to help with that. So putting the parking parking entrance at the lowest point of the site to better use the grade. Um we wanted them to
think about better sun exposure for placemaking and the open space where it should be located and to really think about um colllocating thinking about that broader context and that new context that was created through this development of co-locating the
residential entrances. So if you can see across from the link S5 entrance is there F4 is there on the top right hand corner. So really kind of thinking about how the these connections can be made and kind of this new neighborhood that we've created and making sure that it
has that feel. Um it talks about the placemaking opportunity at the corner already. Um and that you can see with that arrow there are two maybe in my this is my editorial I think two and a half kind of um important open
spaces. I really is more of a parking lot. in reality that's been constructed and I I think um so that oasis the corner the lefth hand triangle there and then the lawn on Lambert are the two large public
open spaces and so really thinking about that corner and that connection to the open space and through the overall art site um was really important and to consider and so also then reinforcing there is we ask them to um follow the
master plan that calls for a pedestrian path alongside the room. So, not making that private, but really making sure that that is also a public path that can take you from Barber Street over to Barber Station Drive and the rest of the site. >> Yes.
>> Are those the primary pedestrian paths for the entire I mean, apart from sidewalks that I can see along the edge of the the roadway, that's just the primary pedestrian circulation. the the great change and feel free to
freak out this um there is so much great change in dismography that like on the left hand side you really couldn't create a connection we tried I know earlier iterations before my I started working on this in 2018 before that I know there have been a lot of um trying
to make another connection but finding from an accessibility perspective it became impossible and so I think we had to get that idea Great. Thank you, Megan. I will stop sharing share.
Just a while. Okay. And as the team gets ready to present, excuse me, a reminder that uh presentations are limited to 15 minutes and I will give you a halftime uh warning with a minute or so left.
>> Thank you. Good evening madam chair member for me members and staff and guest um thank you for the opportunity uh my name is Nales I'm from KD architect in previous
previously known as design um thank you again I don't want to you guys um so uh it was a lot done by staff thank you uh maybe a couple slides and then after get
us through. Uh but you know just quick programs if you want ownership affordable units out of which we have artist live work uh aspect in our program we have four artist work units
um one car parking garage parking dog washing station gallery space tenant gym private courtyard uh public and philosophy mentioned on the active
corner and u have a not mentioned on the list. Um one thing maybe I can sort of note uh on this plan is that um you see these uh dashed and solid which indicates the the challenges
that we have topography of the site but the whole site is basically the Washington street on those side street um uh I'm going to go through the process previously mentioned already and you know we looked into opport opportunities
even to flip the building space sort of like a big pivot plaza toward towards that uh lawn on Lam law long on Lambert um public space and sort of active F5 common room uh and uh
public patio but then again we ran into this topography it was always like almost impossible to uh enjoy and create this both of you. Can >> I suggest you maybe try full screen for now and then you can always >> Yeah.
>> escape and zoom in if requested. >> For those of us >> Yeah. For those of us joining virtually, it's hard to It's a little bit hard to hear. >> Okay. >> Thanks, Seth, for moving the mic and and trying that for us.
I'm not sure if you can see this sort of smaller scale uh site. Um so again it's hard to see but this uh overlays the proposed building with the existing topography. Um and I don't know if it's evident but the
whole side currently it's more or less flat but once you get to the B station drive it starts drastically going up. So it's almost the whole barter station drive is sort of elevated right now path uh the street sorry. So you know we show
a couple point elevation but the the idea was just to take this building at the same time stuck against stuck against the water station drive and and curve. Uh that way we reduce the cutting cut and fill you know very much made
sense. At the same time, we introduced our first floor which most of the active program is uh sort of getting at that elevation that we wanted to be. Uh and on the lower lower right of the screen part of the building uh it's sort of
more private private and service if you will like storage parking car uh bike bike bike program is sort of on that underground you know technically storage u um which also has access to that private
courtyard along that connecting path. Um here quick section of the building just to get you an an idea. Again larger station drive full story drop down towards the public uh private courtyard. We're going to connect the path. Um the building is technically four story above
grade uh an underground garage. Um we have like approximately like 45 ft tall and building uh which has the wing uh facing the oasis which looks like artist
um artist plaza farmers market plus it can be used for multiple purposes including festival and that's I think that's the idea was where the wer would be activated if it's for the oasis program. Uh so that the roof deck on
this part of the building is facing that facing that uh public uh so here's the array I'm going to orient again we have landscape line overlay with the building uh I have to mention that this red line is cut line which
basically shows uh first floor which is upper part of the screen as the rest of that floor is residential units and then the lower part the garage floor which basically as well which sort of will what we wanted to show the rest is just the parking space. So lowest part of the
site and then sort of the highest part is the that active very active corner. So that very active corner we carved out the building to introduce that mini plaza that correlates with the this
whole idea of active node on the site. He has a lot of uh public public activity. Um, in terms of the buildings, I'm going to stay with the building. So next to the mini mini mini
plaza we have flex space with a gallery sort of amenity space which sort of supports the artist live work uh program uh where we have those four units along the bot station drive for to the active active uh zone as well as residential
entry lobby uh where previous previously mentioned is sort of in in front of F4 and building F5 residential entrance as Um going around at the lowest part of the site we have garage entry uh as well
as we have in interior trash room with trash shoot so it's not sort of exposed to the exterior extra doors and then bike storage dog wash station I'd like wash station as well as a dog play park
u in that there yet? >> I'm sorry. Are we looking at two floors at one time? I just want to Okay. Yeah, the red cut is cut line. The the bottom part is the garage. >> Okay. Which is the below grade in the office. Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Can you just tell us what elevation the courtyard aligns with? Is it the upper floor? >> The court the private court in the bottom of the screen is the lower >> lower. That's the sort of the garage floor. >> Okay. Um, so yeah, I'm going to jump in into
the landscaping. Um, so we have this connecting connecting path of the landscape with the flowers and and and shrubs. Uh, we also listened to the community. There were
some uh requests to introduce u planting. um rooftop program was another thing that was uh sort of worked and we sort of followed that through. Uh so but but the idea of this courtyard is a private courtyard. Maybe some will be
probably gated. Uh so it's like a tenant use sort of their own little oasis that they can escape from their everyday life. Um uh a lot of u landscape, hardcape and furniture lighting was u uh
sort of the whole PDA spec u uh sort of materials and planting uh that our landscape architect uh sort of had to place within within the site. And then the idea was sort of surround the building uh
that uh building mass and the ground connection soften with the landscape you know to have that building transition u over halfway through. >> Okay. Uh
and then let's go to the next slide. So a bird's eye view uh so you see the matching of the rest of the the buildings F5 F4 K public public and then here's r on that
sort of lower uh uh threetory part of our proposed one leg if you will the shape building uh reduces the scale from particip participation drive entry Um so
uh the view from u from Lambert Street or we see from uh long on Lambert looking at that mini plaza from that's the higher spot of the highest elevation of of our site
which is active uh uh active engaging uh part of uh EDA uh building entrance in this ation. And then uh in terms of materiality, we looked at what was proposed and what was
built within the within the PDA. Uh you know, took notes, we noticed things like, you know, infill between vertical infill between the windows. You know, some some buildings uh some buildings have space, some of them sort of plain
facade. uh you know we noticed that longer buildings the bigger buildings have less masonry than the smaller ones. Uh so we we you know we took notes um and no we noticing the variety of of of uh
masking and and materials and approach to break up the matching. Uh so we took we proposed that materials material um uh materials that we proposing full bridge veneer for the sort of ground
floor uh to create that sort of becape heavier uh um heavier mass and then lighter materials at the top with the lighter colors of two kinds of two types of cement siding. uh panels with reglets
and then lab siding. Um we look into more uh industrial uh look in terms of like railings of balconies, canopies. So again looking at these like long
facads uh so at the one at the same time we use you know we sort of taken the side and curve curve curvature of the street uh towards our advantage where we break the buildings and in you know in in the corners and at the same time we
take u we're using those two base oversized base we're sort of dissecting the mass uh sort of that horizontal plane dissecting them with sort of elevated and grounded base depending on where they are. At the
same time, we break the hoop line uh which will be more evident at the guess at the at the uh use respective use. Um in terms of brick, we highlighting the entrances to the buildings. We
introducing storefronts. Uh so you know we proposing like two twostory uh bricks uh dark windows gas silks um and uh headers.
>> Can you just point out the building entrances both for people and for vehicles? >> Yeah. So these are Yeah. See, this is the main residential entry. That's on that active side on the island. And that's the mini plaza area. And for the
garage entries on this elevation here like overhead and that's the bike from entrance and these are like a lowered uh garage uh ventilation. Yeah. which will be which
is landscape behind them not to stand up. Um so we're going to go this you see the little key we're going to go sort of around the site starting from approach from Washington Street. Uh sort
of you see they have a future on the left there's a rer um I have to mention that these are not rendered those are real uh uh ballers and uh conformers for the other buildings. Um so we approaching this sort of threetory lower
scale uh uh part of the building with the whole deck at stock. Uh so looking at the cany on the left of similar scale similar scale buildings and you see this vegetation along the path and along the building uh sort of transitioning from
landscape to softening that transition from you know landscape to ground. Um going up. This is the view from Kenzie. Um you see that sloping side down. There's a roof deck at the top of of
this uh in this location uh facing the the oasis. Now we're approaching that ask active corner where you can see elevated bridge entrance to the you know a community artist gallery space or and
then at the same time you see the building across the street have five as well as the same sort of ground floor you know either like in our case would be like either to showcase or engage similar what's happening in F5 I
uh going turning the corner where now we have approach from that lawn lab that's nice active space uh where we have building a fire community room uh open to the public patio and then sort of
creating this active node >> here about a minute left. >> Yeah. Uh quick uh zoom in into the into that um mini plaza. And here's the building entrance where sort of you can see
evidence. You see how the grade is going down onto the down to the Washington Street B Street where you can see below the entrance with the garage. Uh and here's the building residential entrance
from this build residential entrance. and quick view from other side of the looking at the building uh from garage entrance connecting path and that's the whole deck facing the oasis. There's no
building entrance off of the mini plaza or is there >> is there the entrance uh of the private plaza? Oh, plaza. It can be used for the program, but it's not the building main entrance. A few residents will be using that main entrance in front of a four
and a >> and correct me if I'm wrong here. Is there's a uh flex gallery space that can sometimes be open to the public and then the building's gym. I don't know if it's public to be determined but mostly if
there's artist uh aspect in in project maybe for the private >> that's what you're saying is facing that uh re-entrant corner >> that corner okay >> that's Jason right
>> and and since your presentation is done maybe I can ask you to stop sharing we'll turn to um staff review comments and then turn it over to commissioners Marco. >> Hi, I'm Marco. I'm a landscape architect with the planning department. I'm joined by Jill Sick, the assistant deputy
director for public realm review for some more site context. Uh number one, the plaza area connects to lawn on Lambert and Lambert Avenue. This is a key connection to the greater site. We believe that this opportunity, this area
has an opportunity for better placemaking. Uh this could be achieved by additional seating, creating a canopy that responds to the ground flame and frame space. Two is our inner courtyard for residents
with seating. It provides a passive outdoor space. This is an early conceptual design which borders parking on all sides. We believe that the parking is an argument for screening the vegetation along all sides and consequently pull the circulation
inward. Three is an uh sidewalk is an important public through block connection. the private courtyard could be fenced off from uh to create a threshold which would separate the public from the
private. And number four, um building entrance, we think that this would be stronger and more welcoming. It connects to the main residential lobby and right now feels
uh underdesigned. And just wanted to note that there's over 11 ft of grade change from 54.4 four at the top to 42.6 the bottom. Thank you. >> So
um in terms of the design review we said excuse me um for number one we have talked about cons we asked them to consider creating a more cohesive but simplified design language through materiality and plane changes. um
consider the roles of the bays in relationship to the brick and the white panel zone so that you kind of get a cohesive feel all the way around the building about what's utilized where and when. Um and to clarify that idea and then display it consistently throughout
around the whole building. Number two is talking about the opportunity to create a more meaningful publicly accessible mini plaza there that relates to what's happening inside um in terms of the gallery and art functions. Um and then can this also serve as a secondary
moment of entry to really think about that and kind of unify that with the rest of the site. Um reconsider the materiality of demonstration um that's happening there. It's really like a special moment at that corner and it's their way to um call attention to the
specialness of that what is happening on the inside as well as on the exterior and then reconsider the configuration of the plaza itself um for everyday and event use like really kind of rethink how that's laid out. And then um three, how does the articulation of the primary
entrance relate to what's happening there at the gallery entrance? like there should be a kind of like entrance design language that I think could help unify things. >> Thank you. I'm going to stop sharing and if you could share your screen again and commissioners.
>> Yes. And I was going to um suggest that we have our commissioners who are online go first. I'm happy to see that Linda is ready to get the conversation going. maybe once they're going and just have a conversation and you don't have to raise
your hand. >> No yellow hand. >> Linda, is there an image or a drawing you want to start >> with? >> Yeah, maybe just a site plan is good.
>> Yeah, thanks Mimi. I um first I wanted to to uh just say that I really appreciate seeing the evolution of this site and also really appreciate that where we've ended up today in more of a
C-shape really helps to frame the street edge in a way that the Lshape didn't. Uh the Lshape that had the the drop off there off of Bartlett Street. And so I think that that really makes a big difference. Feels like an urban site and
less suburban. And also appreciate that you've shifted the courtyard to grade. I know it's coming off the Verf now. And originally had been a little higher almost like a a roof deck. And I really like that it becomes more of a
neighborhood amenity now. and that you can actually access it from that sidewalk that's moving, I think, north to south. So, thank you for that. I shared some of the concerns that we just saw in those last couple of slides
and would love to hear more about and learn more about how that courtyard would be activated at that ground level because it will be um bounded by kind of inactive uses and you know if it's going
to be screened as we heard tonight, what does that look like and how does that impact the way that the courtyard is programmed and used day-to-day? today. And then we also heard in the last couple of slides another one of my concerns which is about the building
entry. So Megan, I think you started us off by saying that one of the original urban design goals is that the entry for this building, building C, and the entry for the building right across Station Drive, which I think is building F5,
that those entries actually were um across from each other or roughly across from each other. So there's a coordination there. I am just wondering if there can be more exploration. While I while I like that idea initially, I actually think that
the way that the building has been designed suggests that picking up that major access from the lawn at Lambert and and beginning to express a stronger building entry on that corner. or what you're calling the mini plaza makes more
sense to me. The existing residential lobby is a little bit hard to find and because you've picked up on that access from Lonnet Lambert, it really feels like that would be the area that that would signify people using daytoday. I
also wonder about that mini plaza if it doesn't have a another use. I wonder if it will become more of a forgotten space since there won't be a lot of users coming in and out of the gym onto the
mini plaza nor from the gallery space onto that plaza dayto-day. And so it may end up being an area that just isn't used very much. So I'd love for the team to think about that. Could there be that
secondary entry where you could actually enter the building there or have you looked at the possibility of having that main residential lobby there given where you need to have the building core? So,
um, so those are my questions and comments. >> I'm gonna keep going with Shauna, but feel free want to answer any of the questions. This is our first meeting which we do imagine proponent will um engage in dialogue if if there is
something you want to respond to. So let's have Shauna um give her comments. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I will jump in and first first of all I do I apologize I have a little bit of a cold tonight so my voice is a little odd um and thus I did decided not to come and share my evening
with all of you in person. Um I I I very much appreciate the first of all the um the 61 ownership units as well as the artist housing. It's you know it's it's it's a significant need.
Um and I think that there's some nice things that you've done particularly with the screening of the residents from from the streetscape and the overall amount of planting. Um, but some of the things I I actually had some was getting
to the same direction that that Linda was, but from a slightly different direction. Um, for first of all, it doesn't feel part of this is clarification. Um, and so, you know, at the next meeting, I'd like to understand better the streetscape. It's not consistent
from one drawing to another, but assuming that on the landscape plan, this is what's showing. Are these tree pits? Are these tree grates? It feels the overall well the this property itself feels lush. The streetscape
experience actually feels kind of um kind of harsh. And so I would at least like to see street sections in the next um in the next round. understand if the trees are irrigated, if there's structural soil, and what the dimensions
are between if it's a tree pit or a tree grate and the and the the planting of the property line itself. Um, I also maybe I'll circle back to the same place that that Linda ended. Um, I think that
other comments about screening within the courtyard itself and the programming of the within the courtyard itself. So, if we could just stay on the plan, that would be great for now. Um, the plan that we were on is is are I I
echo them. The screening I also doesn't necessarily need to be exclusively planted screening. Um because if we are talking about having significant artists, not you know four at least four of them in this building, it could start
to define the character of some of the the non-planted screening. Um, but I think any way that we could activate the the private courtyard by having some amenity such as we were talking about the gym on or the gym that had been
mentioned on the corner potentially the gym being located in adjacency of the courtyard might start to also activate it or some other amenity space. Um, so my concern and then and then actually I think it's really important
to see the section and elevation or views of what that courtyard looks like from the FERF because it is private. So what is the the public experience of that courtyard is is pretty important. Uh but but then I want to get back to
see if there's any other things in here. the mini plaza the the and I keep looking at this when I looked at the plan it it k still keeps telling me that that's the building entrance um and
and I I agree that the other entrance from a from an accessibility perspective also works but it's really hidden. It's kind of disappearing in a corner. There has there's a significant planting buffer in order for you to get the accessible route in. And I'm not sure
that that's helping that much. I'm also I I guess fundamentally one question about the mini plaza is is it a plaza? And I'm I'm saying that because the grades don't look like it is a compliant plaza being less than 2% in every
direction. So it means that it and that's you know just eyeballing things but it's it's about a foot of grade change in what looks like it's like 30 30ish feet. Um I might be misunderstanding things. So so I think
that it is a good access into something if the if it does need to be a if it is going to be a plaza I agree it should be activated. Um, I the the gallery space I don't again I had trouble finding a door
into the gym or into the gallery space. It looks like there's one in the gallery space. I don't know if there's one from the gym. No, into the plaza. >> There is a gym. There's no door from gym to plaza. No.
>> Yeah. So the only door So the only door is from the gallery space which frequently the the flexible spaces aren't aren't used very often. Um so I am I am quite concerned about not being able to activate that space as well. Um
and and so it does seem that shift shifting the pro considering shifting the program around of entry of of gym of what the giving a real identity of what that gallery amenity space is. I think
it's a little un there's there's no real thing there yet. gallery maybe who's operating the gallery who's showing is it public you know amenity space what type of amenity space is it I think it's really if that is the thing
that's defining your corner it really needs to be articulated what what it is and it does seem it would be an easier swap potentially I don't know all the you know the grading and the programming issues to to move the to move the entry that location of course it's going to be
farther away from the elevators um so that that might be an issue Um, let me see that maybe and and whatever that corner needs to be. I think that the that a more sort of joyful exuberant expression or artistic
expression or interesting expression because right now it feels very um kind of barren even even programming aside. Again, there's there's a lot of things that are really strong about the the project, but it's really the public
experience along along of the streetscape is is the thing that I including that corner is the most significant things that I think need to be at least illustrated or um developed. >> Thanks, Sha. Amen. ready.
>> Um, some very very good comments um from other commissioners. I I too I I like the way the building um fits into the site. I think of all the schemes we've of all the schemes
you've tried. Uh and I appreciate you're showing us all that work. Um I think the massing does fit into the site. I think that um the opening uh to the I guess that's mostly east um that all makes
sense to me. Um and I I so there's some very good big moves. I share every Linda and and Shauna's concerns about that um about the the mini plaza and I'm I just not sure I know what it is. And when I see it in
that perspective, looking right into that corner, um I'm not even sure I know what it wants to be. Um is it a passive place? Um is it um does it want to be energized,
you know, engaged pedestrians by the uses inside? And it feels very much um un it is very purposely separating itself from the building and I think a sort of odd way almost as if it's a a
remnant. But that gets gets me to it. But I but but overall I I do think there's some very I think there's some very good massing moves here. I do like the way it fits into the site and fits into what the way the other buildings have been masked and configured. I guess
my biggest thing I would ask you to to to when you come back to us to look at and explain and I'll ask you to go to page eight the elevations. Um I I'm looking for Yeah. I'm looking
for um there's a lot of different data here meaning multiple datims. Um they're they're horizontal, they're vertical, um they are at different places. On the one hand, there's a great deal of
energy um when I see it in elevation, but then when I see it in three dimensions, it does the the the ins and the outs um I think lack order and and uh come off as sort of applied planes
rather than integrated planes. And it makes me wonder um topography is such such an important part of this site and the design solution um I think wants to really respond to
the topography. I mean this whole we've we've seen this we've seen this area now over my years at least four or five times from master plan to multiple buildings and and some things have evolved very nicely here. Um, and so I I
I wonder just how the how the the finer scale massing, meaning the actual plane that addresses the streets, um, can reflect the topography in a way that feels more ordered, maybe a little bit
more a little bit calmer or or that there's something more systematic about how those planes and materials and colors keep moving in and out um in a way that I can't find the pattern and
and I find it a little I find it a little chaotic and overly chaotic and I it almost feels when I look at the elev at these elevations which I keep staring at because I do appreciate that there's an energy to them but it's almost as if
they're being designed to um to to um blur the the topography to make it go away to to to flatten it out when in fact I think it's a it's I mean this this whole site is about
topography. I mean this whole the whole block from Washington to Lambert and and Gil to to Bartlett. And I wonder how you might explore um how that gets reflected in a way
that's not layers on the facades u but more um vertical vertical pieces that stack in a way uh that emphasize the topography here. I think very good points about I I had to
look several times um to find the front door. Um and I think that also needs more response from you. Um but and I do by the way I I completely agree with Sean. I love the the mix of of the diversity of unit
types from ownership to live work to affordable. I think that's um that's a prototype for for what we should be building in the city. >> Thank you. >> All right, >> maybe could I jump in on the front door
is um and thank you for the presentation. Like David, I' I've had the benefit of seeing this neighborhood evolve over many years. And I also really very much like the the evolution of the sea form and your concern about shaping the various streets. If we could
go to the view down the ramp um towards that uh corner. Um what strikes me the two things three comments that have been been made that strike me that I'd like to No, the one Yeah, that one. Thank you. Um, this is a really important view
and this is the a view that leads you to the heart of this neighborhood and um I am not sure that a recessive gesture is actually the gesture that should happen here. When I think of Dorchester and and
Roxbury, I think of all the buildings that hold the corner very proudly uh with a um a turret or a some sort of a shaped element. Um and I think that there's a real opportunity. Um there are
a lot of buildings here that are sort of shaping a neighborhood and you fortunately are kind of the the capping it off uh potentially with an element that could be really memorable, an architectural element that could be really memorable and that would take a
lot of the pressure off of creating a space that really doesn't have a function and really doesn't have a use. By the same token, I recognize that in plan, if you could go to the plan for a moment, that uh in developing this the footprint that you have, you have this
sort of thickness uh where the core is and that's the logical place for the core. Um and therefore in order to facilitate the garage working and so forth and and so I'm thinking to myself, hm um uh
is there a way to solve this problem? Uh, and Shauna mentioned, for example, that the streetscape on Bartlett Station maybe feels a little tight. Um, my question for you is, should that uh, plaza space or some version of that
plaza space migrate down the block towards the core? Um, so that there is actually a kind of more graceful, easy uh, space uh, that leads you into the the lobby. um breaks up the two-sided
nature of Bartlett Bartlett Station Drive with some sort of a green space that um is along it instead of at the corner of it and helps you with the problem of a very thick building. Um as it turns the corner, I'm guessing I we
we're not looking at the units, but I'm guessing you've had to be creative about how to sort of stretch and make those units deeper. And I feel like the the that cut in or that carve out would probably be more helpful to you closer to the elevators, closer to the lobby,
and give you an opportunity to make um you know, I'm usually not one for quote unquote making big architectural statements, but it feels like that corner might be a real um architect's opportunity to do something special and
that becomes maybe emblematic or iconic. um for this really decadesl long development that has come together now uh to to form the heart. So I would I would ask you to look at that since you are and then you don't have this problem
of of of how to activate it with a gym or an artist space which I'm having worked on many of them know are very problematic um in terms of staffing them and when they're open and all that stuff if it was off of the lobby so that the
person who's manning the lobby is also able to sort of man the gallery space when it's open and that's activating ing some sort of an entry plaza. I think it could be without changing very much. I think it could really be a stronger diagram. So, I'm I guess I'm putting
that out there for you to consider. >> I I was actually jotted down the same thing that this is really a pivot point. This this this parcel that you're working on is really becomes an anchor for the entire site. So, thinking about that at its role within the entire
development that way. also recognizing the paths and the decision to make that path that came comes down the hill thinking about how do you rather than I I yeah I agree the recess does not feel right to me but I think instead anchoring that point redirecting I love
the idea of moving the recess um further along um the um Bartlett Station Drive I also think that creates an opportunity I was thinking about the lo I had questions about the location of the gym and the different spaces visav the
courtyard because I thought if the courtyard is intended to be for the residents, might that gym be better located in a way that's more approximate? And then if you move the building entry, I think recessing it helps to begin to address the design concerns that were raised by my
colleagues. Also, I I can imagine an opportunity where people there might be some event, a party, a birthday party, an artist's opening of some sort that would make use of the courtyard and just strengthening that connection of how people move through the the development
site. >> And Maria, David, if I maybe could ask clarification. So you're thinking maybe more of an architectural sort of statement at the corner, but more of a programmatic and sort of open space statement at the entrance.
>> Hesitate to walk up front, but especially with the site plan up at these two buildings here in this place. >> Should this happen here? >> Some other element happen. David, can you take So you see that blue
bar on A? No, on a >> that thing. Yeah. Just just drag that up the page and connect it all the way to F4. >> So it becomes >> that whole bar. Yes. >> From A to C to F4. That whole 60 foot bar can be
>> further articulated. Yeah. Yeah. >> With that break, you get that more. Oh, but I see what you said by doing for that bright%. >> Yeah. And and I would add to as you um David referenced, you know, lots of great precedents in Roxbury. I think
that would be something to bring to the next um subcommittee meeting are precedents that could become inspiration for this not just from Roxbury but elsewhere. I think there are many different ways to approach actually both the building entrance and the the
articulation of that corner. >> Well, you know earlier there was so much >> Should we point on the screen so that Linda, David >> or if you could even sketch I don't know zoom >> from a I can even do it. Sorry. Um,
but you know the the the context I remember >> I think this was my finger you all. So I'm sorry. Oh, why is it going away? And so right so Seth kind of put a circle where we're talking about relocating that open space entry point,
you know, helps clarify the the diagram. And I would I I think also what would be very important in our next review of this project is understanding where the building entrances are in the other buildings and its developments. I you've mentioned it, but I'm just I think I'm
just trying to synthesize all of this because I personally I love the idea of the logic of locating the proposed new location of a building entrance. I would be comfortable with it moving a little bit within the zone. For me, the big idea is let's move it, you know, let's
build out the corner um where that mini plaza is. Let's think about the building entrance as a kind of a programmatic connection and recessing it. But I I also want to think about the experience of somebody walking or driving down Bartland Place, thinking about where are
these entrances. And I think this issue of how do you market is is vital. Well, I remember from years ago the S buildings, the the beige buildings, um so much discussion about how those would weave back into the neighborhood, which really had a lot to do with their scale
and so forth. And and right now, it's really held to the perimeter. I think that that central focus point could be a place to sort of bring that neighborhood character >> back into the heart of the project in a way that that
>> because you actually do see that from given the the incline from up on the hill, the residences not in this particular footprint, you can look back and see exactly that view. >> Yeah. And it should feel like the same neighborhood, right? It should feel like you're existing. And can I I actually
want to say that I compliment you on David's correct I think in in terms of the the way that the um big surface of the in the different planes of the the building are presenting right now and there's some work to be done there. But what I like about what you've done is
how it actually in color and and scale and and adjustments in and various um height levels relate to the neighborhood around this entire development. So I do think this is an opportunity to to take that
one step further and create something that relates to the architecture of Adam Park at the top and extraordinary buildings coming down Guile Street. >> Yeah, the the view so that what's the name of the open space just next to F2
says long >> long, >> right? I think I think to David's point if that piece that we've been talking about the plaza and I don't want to dwell on it because I think everybody's made some fantastic comments but I think you're right that that should could be a real architectural maybe the solution is
an architectural icon but really it it should help to strengthen the lawn on Lambert. So as opposed to having two separate open spaces, it really creates a critical mass and reinforces the importance of lawn on Lambert if it's bounded by edges, strong building edges.
>> Um, but I would I just want to focus on two other points. One is the other open space, the privatized courtyard at the center of the site. Um, and what got me thinking about this was that it's bounded by cars on three sides
internally and then also bounded by the winer, which is effectively more cars. Is there a thought or maybe you looked at this at raising it up one level so that it's at the level of the residence and then all of a sudden it's not
bounded by any cars and you're sort of overlooking because it's already privatized. And so as opposed to having a screening element or green screen that dies in the winter months, if it went up a level, you probably could get closer to a one:1 parking ratio, which I know
is critical for home ownership, but you can get the residents then directly engaging with doors out to this outdoor space. You don't have to deal with car emissions and that sort of thing. So I just wonder, is it possible to think about elevating it? Um, and the second
the second point was more what what David Manfrey was mentioning about the facade and for building of this size, it seems like you have if you want to go to one of your perspectives, you got like four materials going on. Um, I like the base. I think the base is appropriate
with a brick strong masonry base. Um, but to the points about like the DATMSS and the ability to settle down a bit, I think that, you know, the other two colors are are doing just fine. maybe just organizing the datams better um or in a more streamlined fashion. So in
other words, where you see down the the right hand side where you have almost this base, middle, top going, you have the the masonry, you have three stories in this blue color and then you break at the top for the white. That has a nice clarity to it. I just wonder if you would reconsider like the balcony zones.
Um because I think you're doing a lot with just nice ample living room windows in those big blue bay zones. So all of a sudden it starts to read like a building with a couple of bays versus a building with bays and balconies inside of the bays. I always get nervous about
balconies because people they put their bikes, they they dry their towels, they store their grill. And so that's another piece of architecture that's going to land its way on the building in some fashion. >> Jonathan, one thing you're suggesting, I
wonder that for the I mean, we all know how difficult the budgets on these projects are, right? Like they're they're super tough. >> So the idea and and I I know there's so much topography on the site, which you're probably excavating into in order to make this parking garage. So my
question is if you were doing did do what Jonathan is suggesting which is actually have a more kind of direct straight shot into parking whether it increases the parking cap or actually just holds it the same and that helps with the cost of excavating into that
site um into the uh street into Barb Street that might offset I it's just something to look at from a cost point of view if you want if you know what I mean in terms of the section >> a cut fill diagram. >> Yeah, the cut fill diagram. It might actually help you um with that and build
a make it easier to build a parking garage. And I do think a raised garden here would be good. So, it's a really a convenient idea. I'm wondering if the the project team can remind us is the what's the current condition there? There's like a retaining wall at
Bartlett Station Drive and it's all excavated or that still >> it does have to be excavated. >> Well, yes, it's minority. >> It's very steep flow. It's already >> flat right at the
very minimal cut. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> It still though might help with your parking count as Jonathan mentioned. So that's just a thought. >> If it were to be raised, I think it would still be important that there's a level of relief from the the building
wall and kind of a thicker green edge as you're walking along the street um the internal street that borders the vanerf because I think having the vanerf on you know which is really the part the very nice parking lot on the left side and then having you know a little bit of
building parking garage and um building isn't as nice as it could be. And even if it was just like a a thicker green um recess, it would would help with the building articulation, but also help
with the the pedestrian experience. >> I know that I know that the team did look at multiple scenarios uh of how to deal with the ground floor. I'm wondering if you all want to sort of offer why you wound up here. Yeah, we
had a not not fully raised um uh courtyard. We had almost maybe half a third of it. Uh because we had program before on that floor we had gym software station was um to the plan.
We also had a building entrance on that corner where we have um where we have um >> well that might be something that you want we had we had a grand we had an entrance of the building on this in this location as well before but uh the one I
was going I was looking for um yeah so we had like maybe third or green and s some some uh program in in that um lower floor access from like a
garage from elevator. >> Uh so we looked at it. couldn't look the whole uh you know garage layout might get tricky a little bit you know how to get maybe not enough turn radiuses but obviously we have some yeah >> um
>> um can we go back to the overall plan like overall develop because I I wonder if thinking about that threshold um yeah so does that say urban grow so the over the public plaza oasis those three black lines
>> your There's elevated decks as well. >> Yeah. So, I wonder if you're thinking about partially elevating, not elevating, or you know, this this kind of wedged in cars on three sides, is there an opportunity to think about that continuous strip of the public realm?
And then if you come across the urban grove at the public oasis and it it's some kind of retaining wall, grove gathering space situation that takes advantage of the natural topography. Maybe there's an opportunity to repeat that kind of semi-public threshold in
between the moon earthf and the um courtyards. I think right now there's there's kind of um raised planters but I just given the current program surrounding the courtyard. There's not a whole lot going on and you
know the access. So I actually wonder if also if the individual units have balconies, I I wonder how active that space will really be. So maybe thickening that edge and giving a little bit of relief maybe that's where the dogs go, right? That's where how people meet each other in the in the
neighborhood. So maybe that space um maybe the the fence line or the thickness of that dividing line between public and private could be something that's negotiated and then gets recapitulated with the urban grow as you make your way that
>> do you think that that thickness is appropriate you know where the project the building hits the nerve I keep looking at the landscape treatment around the building around Bartlett Station Drive and and Bartlett Street is
so different than any of the other buildings are articulated in relationship to their street condition. Maybe look at F4, F3, F2, F1. They don't have what looks like a little bit of a suburban setback. Or maybe the the the what I'm really
trying to say is you're not really tying in what's happening at the perimeter with the sidewalk to even understand how that relates to edge of street, which is very different if I'm looking at all the other buildings, how that relates to um
and I I I'm not suggesting that the building has to grow, but it should have a sidewalk that is designed contiguous with that setback and it's thought of as one line doesn't stop at the property line and so a thickened zone I can
understand like that on the wound but I along you know your street edges it just feels a little bit unresolved to me I appreciate that comment but it is actually all of those step there's such
significant grade change along the street >> and there are you know egress stores and things that require kind of a setback to mitigate the grade to get up or down entries for F4 and F2
F3 still. I don't know what's going to happen there yet, but and then even F5 does step back a little bit. um it's rendered most but it is what is provided in the right way but I agree
with you I think that you know in many cases where F4 and F2 are more kind of parallel with the border and street >> C kind of is more variable so it creates kind of different widths between the
back of sidewalk and the building phase. So it creates like these less consistent I guess building there's room for the building to get the building footprint to move around and maybe help
navigate some of the other comments with regards to I cherish opportunity cherish opportunity in that extra And I think it's it could be as simple as bringing images of some of the other buildings. We can obviously do our due
diligence too, but this is a consist. And I just want to make sure there's consistency of how that's being approached. Is that even the landscape? Is it, you know, trees? Is it more paving? Is it, you know, planting beds?
Like how is it typically treated? So there's clearly a front and then there's clearly, you know, a back to um these conditions that create different opportunities for the residents. I would add too that the other piece I'd like to
see in the next iteration of this is there's the context of this building within Bartlett Place and then within the surrounding context of the neighborhood and that other than this is what I got used to doing this virtually via Zoom looking at my Google Earth map
like really understanding what's the character of the sur of the surrounding neighborhood. Are there moments from an urban design standpoint you might respond to in terms of building entrances, typologies?
Um, I I think that's an equally important piece of this that you you you describe the the context and the materiality of the buildings within the development, which is certainly an important piece of this, but how do we recognize that this building is a part of Roxbury, you know, as a broader
neighborhood? And I also I keep coming back to the role of this building within the development and it feels like it is sort of this lynch pin within the development. So Mim when you're talking about like oh why does it look like the building set back? I intuitively was a little less bothered by that but I agree
like I'm all for consistency but maybe there are reasons why you provide a little bit more breathing room. um because it also is located at a really important point for people coming off the the other street to enter the
development, you know, at the at the upper side and the lower side. So recognizing that and then also just add that I I would encourage you as you think about I personally kind of like the idea of the courtyard coming to gray but I'll I'll be but I do think being
able to connect I think so often when we see these developments we're seeing a lot of these raised courtyards which to me just intensify the privateness of them and I'd love if you can figure out a way to do it from a functional standpoint and a budget standpoint to
actually have access so Somebody could leave the building on the upper courtyard, spend some time there, maybe they're walking their dog and decide, you know, it's a really nice day. I want to go out and go through the courtyard into the, you know, into the neighborhood. And then you talked about
the ventilation grills. >> Can you do more than >> screen them with landscaping? and is there some simple design of those that could then be further articulated in whether it's fencing or the exterior of the parking garage courtyard. So that
becomes part of that urban experience for somebody at the gestream walking along that pathway. >> I have a request maybe for the next meeting which is if you could go back to that larger site plan and that's responding to some of the comments that we just heard. um the you know the
larger one since Jonathan mentioned I can't unsee this bar that extends from the lower left hand corner from B across to B around A making the corner going up through C and completing itself with F4
right like that whole sort of facade line that is framing the more urban side really of this uh development from the the smaller scale side which is on on the other side as I recall. I think
seeing the C facade in the context of that unwrapped B through C through F4 facade would be really interesting. Um uh and might actually help with some clues for some of the rhythm issues and
things like that that David was uh initially mentioning and and how all of those things are ultimately tied together. So, it's just a request Right, >> commissioners. We're coming up on over about 45 minutes of discussion. Um,
>> we have Catherine. I see your hand up. >> I'm almost home. I promise. Um, got to love New England traffic. Um the thing I just wanted to lift up um
really from a metaphor standpoint is building C I look at as um a heartbeat and all the connected pathways and green spaces are the arteries. And so from all the comments that have been made from the commissioners, which I do agree, I
just want to plant this in your mind about, you know, all the life that building C will give to everything else. And so how do you surgically make that happen? Um, I think all the recommendations of of people's
experiences when they enter into this larger context, what is that going to say about building C when the last brick is laid and we're 10 years from now? Um, is what I want just want to lay out metaphorically across all the things that you've heard is really looking at
this particular building as one that gives life to everything else. And how do you want to design it in a way that it stands the test of time? Thanks, Catherine. >> We haven't heard from I think uh they're all good commissioner
comments. Thank you. Okay. Uh we'll turn to public comment if you don't mind taking down your chair. Okay, at this time we'd like to invite any members of the public in attendance who may wish to contribute public
testimony to raise your digital or physical hand. And we will call on you if you are calling in by phone. Press star 9 on your dial pad to activate the raised hand function and star six to mute unmute yourself. Please state your name, any pro relevant project
affiliation information, and please keep comments to two minutes. Do this. I only have the public must know how hot it is in this. Uh, not seeing any hands, we will close
public comments and turn it back to commissioners for thoughts on next steps. Uh and just to uh frame this as I forgot to mention at the start um uh commission review procedures recommend no more than three meetings as this is a
single building project. Um so I think I heard today a fairly common endorsement for a lot of the larger massing moves uh that this project has made. uh and a lot of the uh beginnings of the approach to the
architecture and the landscape architecture with a lot of uh was refinement needed uh in each of those areas um particularly with the entrances uh reconsideration of the mini plaza and reconsideration of the um uh of the
center uh plaza and so uh of course with up to three meetings we can set to subcommittee. Uh, another option if you all felt comfortable would be to uh ask the proponent to take these comments away uh refer them back to full commission but we would hold them from
full commission until we felt like these comments were um addressed. Uh but I think we should have a sub. >> I agree. >> Agreed. >> Okay. I I also really like Dave uh David Hassin's comment the idea of unfolding
Washington Street and Bartlett and I don't want to not try to make a lot of work for the proponent but I I I would like to see buildings B1 and B2 and A and C and F4
uh in this kind of continuous street wall. It is the it's the wrapper for the block. And you know what one of the things I've complained about over the years is how we usually see these blocks. We see a lot of them and we've
seen a lot of them over time in South Boston and other places and you don't understand the the totality of the block or what how it has has deteriorated at times because of the
sort of cacaphony of language. And there's a here I like um the um I think Shauna several times said this is Oh no, I'm sorry. It was it was not um it was in
Marie was uh the lynch pin of this. If this is um our last shot at this uh at the perimeter of the block, it'd be wonderful to see it all together. I I loved Katherine's comment about thinking about it as being the heart of
the development and the the arteries running through. I I think that it's just a really a really important sort of foundational position to take in terms of the the buildings within the development >> to be sort of dumb about it. I think like standing in the that what's the
park that's on the upper left that's already built the what's it called the library like standing in that park with your project in the background the heart of this me is the Instagrammable moment of
this project you're you're this is where you take your selfie you're in the park and you see whatever that corner is behind you and that's the heart of the this development what an incredible opportunity really. I think so. I I I hope I I I think that should be
>> um >> like an image that that you have that you hold in your head. >> Yeah. And to take some of the pressure off because >> I want to put the pressure on. I mean, it is it is, you know, it is metaphorically interesting that we're saying it's the heart, but it's also one
of the last pieces to go in. So in many ways you're having to play this posture of responding to every all these other edge conditions, building conditions. Sometimes it's just easier to kind of like, you know, simple is sometimes the
remedy because there's so much other things to respond to and >> Yeah. to be complicated. >> Right. Right. Yeah. that I would ask if you could please do it a series of sections around the site. >> Yeah. >> I think because it is the heart and it
is one of the primary pathways that I don't have a good feel of what it feels like walking down and against the building and I think one of M's points about that kind of cross-section is really critical. the scale of pedestrian movement through there. It feels like it
might be, you know, is it parking? Is it are the residents, you know, five feet up? Just trying to understand that relationship >> and then the um yard blocks as well. Um that relationship to that sidewalk I think is pretty critical thinking about
how that is, you know, activated. >> We typically have landscape architects come and present to us. So you may want to ask them to bring sections of the sidewalk and bring sections at key moments so we really understand the relationship of the you know street edge
to building edge um as we go around the block. I think that would be really helpful actually have them talk also about the courtyard too and how it relationship to screening garage elevated you know we gave you lots of ideas to
think about I think it'd be nice to have I think we're what you heard tonight is mostly planning strategies and it's not re organizing too drastically it's really getting to that entry point where the open space is is what we're all
focused on and I think once that's resolved I think we can have a in-depth conversation about more of the granular architectural expressions that are we did hear some comments tonight but I think these are all excellent comments I still need a motion
>> so I'll make a motion amended >> uh yes sorry committee >> the second great and With that, I'm going to call on everyone. Uh, do you agree with that motion? Uh, say yes. Uh,
or no. Uh, Danielle join. >> Yes. >> Uh, Linda Easley, >> yes. >> Jonathan Garland, >> yes. >> Gillis Smith, >> yes. >> David Hine, >> yes. >> Kathy Codoras, >> yes.
>> And Marie Lanau, >> yes. >> David Man Freddy, >> yes. Catherine Morris, >> yes. >> David Nagahiro, >> yes. >> And myself, yes. So, we'll be seeing you
in subcommittee will form um cohort. We'll follow this project. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good night, everyone. >> We will be up to the proponent to set up a follow-up meeting. I think we already have one set up.
Well, I don't think we have any new business, but I also need a motion to adjourn. Actually, I have one bit of good new business. As we're in the room, I want you to think about, do I really have to call in each commissioner in the room or can we raise hands in the room
by a little bit more time? >> I believe before when you met in person, we need our uh our uh Linda, David, and David. We were able to raise hand. I don't think so. I think
we always went up and down the up and down the line. >> Yeah, we did. We still had to do that. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That's fine. >> I just want to say that first of all, I want to congratulate Seth on his new
position and and Seth has also upgraded our food. I don't know what I want to make sure that they don't go away. So, please take a sandwich on your way out the door. >> David, you have to tell me if you get sick this time.
>> Last round is not good. >> You see, we listen and take feedback. >> No, it's all great. And I I will say too, you know, as we have been transitioning to these sort of inerson meetings, like there's we've wanted to build more of this sort of dialogue and
we do encourage the commissioners to come in person and also the proponents. So, we really do appreciate you guys being here in person to engage with us because I think it lends for a better conversation um and for more of that sort of back and forth and ideation even like pointing at the screen together and kind of thinking through these ideas
makes us more effective and direct as we look at the streamlining that's um in in effect. Uh so you know we'll continue to sort of work that through and um look at operational standards for raising hands or just finding better ways to communicate. I'll just a plug for the
model and we really encourage models from the proponents since we are in person. Um um okay I'm so I do have to call on everyone. I think we did get a motion to adjourn. >> Okay. So Danielle join Linda Easley.
>> Yes. Um, I'm not sure we had a motion. Okay. Okay. My fault. >> All right. We need a motion. >> Second. >> Okay. >> We'll start again. Danielle Choy, >> yes. >> Linda Eastley, >> yes. >> Jonathan Garland,
>> yes. >> Shannon Smith, >> yes. >> David Hine, >> yes. >> Kathy Todoras, >> yes. >> Emory Lubenau, >> yes. David Man Freddy, >> yes. Catherine Morris, but we want to know if
you're home now. So, >> yes, perfect. I'm excited. >> Yes. >> All right. Yes, we are adjourned. >> Thank you. This is >> Thank you everybody. >> Have a good night.
>> Please fast food. I heard you say they're different.