All right, guys. We'll go ahead and get started. Uh I don't see uh Commissioner Cruz on yet, so maybe she's on and I didn't see her, but we have everyone else. >> Can everyone say Commissioner Cruz say she may be a few minutes late? Yep, I'm
on. >> Okay. >> Uh, we'll go ahead and get started. We'll start out with three. I know. Andrew, >> Andrew, you wanted to address something in the announcements. >> I did. Um we'd like to get the
commission um opinion on whether they would like to see the announcements in writing on the agenda or if they would like to see us do it how we used to do it where we had the employees come up during public audience and speak to it.
um just seeing if it's if you think it's worth having it printed on the agenda or whether it would suffice because we could save three publishing things or then we have flyers. I don't know if you guys have any opinions on that or if you like just keep it as is.
>> I think it's fine to have them come up during public comment. >> Okay, >> I do too. My only concern with that is that if we have any questions or anything, then we're kind of opening public comment up to what we've kind of not had it been. I
mean, I know that it's staff members that are up, but I feel like I feel like we can make them quick and short maybe, but maybe if maybe if they don't need to be presented, but just be on the agenda
or something. But I I don't want to get in the habit of having on public comment and then if we have questions then public comment turns into a whole Q&A with staff and as opposed to what it should be. >> So what I could do is under the announcements instead of doing A B and C
just do announcement of city events upcoming events and then we could just call up the any of the city staff could come up at 3A under announcements for upcoming events and programming instead of under public audience. You
think that would work? >> Yeah, I think we just >> Yeah, that's fine with me. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. We'll go ahead and make that change and uh republish it. I'll I'll uh I'll make that change today and then we'll we'll do it that way uh going forward. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> Andrew, I need to talk to you before you republish as well. >> Okay. >> Thanks. >> All right. I go and scroll on down to public audience. We'll get started with uh consent. But before we get started with consent, guys, I know I had a um
I was invited down to the county um in reference to the whole annexation. I know some of the uh some of the articles that you guys have read, I had staff and I don't know if Stacy, did you have a chance to reach out to any of the commission yet? >> We have not spoken with them yet.
>> Okay. Um I've spoken >> to it after agenda review, not today, but >> Okay. All right. So, we'll just we'll we'll hold off on uh speaking in regards to it and I'll just let legal reach out to each of you oneon one.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, we'll proceed. I I I I was at the county and I think it'd be beneficial for everyone to hear what the proposal was from the county.
>> Okay. All right. Well, essentially what it was is they're looking for an alternative. So, if there's any way to avoid the city annexing um any of the Cobra communities, they
sent us a letter of objection. we received yesterday essentially objecting to us even annexing Bamboo Lane or annexing Palara. Uh the objection was essentially the technical language and their view of
what the power of attorney is intended for. and we have prepared a response, but I can tell you that it was it I think there was information gleaned that the county is interested in
possibly purchasing our wastewater treatment center plant and or purchasing all of our water utility and our wastewater collection services as a city as a whole. Um, in the event that they do, obviously
the water service agreements that we have would be rendered moot because then they would be the water service provider. In the event the commission decides not to go down that direction, we decide to actually go towards the
annexation route and proceed as planned. Uh, then there will be some legal battles. But again, I'll I'll I'll I'll let go into those specifics with you guys one on one and because I by by no means am I an attorney. So, I want the subject matter experts to actually be
able to articulate themselves to you guys and what our what our uh our arguments would be, but we did receive the letter of object objection from the county, I want to say yesterday or two days ago, and we've had time to unpack
it and prepare a response. But have we made that response? >> We are not going to make the response but we need to go forth with the annexations of both Pal Mara and also Bamboo Lane. >> Okay, >> just to clarify,
we still are not done with the response. So, it's not something we could share at this time because okay, Stacey and I have been working on it furiously for the last two days and it's it's a lot to digest. So, um it will be shared with
the commission. However, when it is done, >> I I think I think the other thing too that I want to share with my colleagues was was that the mayor of the county was was making an attempt to suggest for
our body to postpone with annexation while the county, you know, does a does an analysis, feasibility study, whatever due diligence they feel called upon to look at a potential transfer of our utilities treatment. I
don't I personally don't want to be beheld to the county in in something like this and just in in measure of good faith. We've seen how we've been taken advantage of with the mobility fees in the past and I understand their
perspective. They're looking out for for their best interests. But, you know, representing the city of Boon Beach, I don't see a need for us to pause or slow down in the middle between two hearings regarding annexation of Palmra and and
Bamboo Lane. And I just want to remind our colleagues, my colleagues that, you know, we've our residents that elected us in office have been subsidizing this water utility treatment plant for
the residents in unincorporated. And while they may pay a little bit more than what the residents in the city do, they're not on the ticket or on the hook for the costs for personnel. they're not on the ticket for infrastructure
improvements, any bonds that may be needed in the future. So, I think, you know, this is a serious issue we we really need to look at with the county. However, I don't want to be, you know, voluntto by the mayor of the county to
stop annexation when we're halfway we're halfway through because I just don't trust that if we stop midway through that the county is then going to do their due diligence and take us seriously. I think they're going
to look at that as weakness and they're going to look at that as, oh, hey, we got them to do whatever and at the end of the day, they're not the ones that are elected by our residents for the city commission district seats. And so, you know, I just want to go ahead and
make it clear that I have no um taste in in stopping or postponing annexation because someone from the county is asking to do so. I know there's different uh perspectives as far as potential in funeral annexation
further out west, but with these two pockets, one being a neighborhood split, I don't see why we would stop this out of a good faith handshake agreement with the county. Doesn't make sense to me. >> Uh
>> I agree with that. >> Yeah, I I can appreciate uh what you're saying, uh Commissioner Turkin. Uh just one question for staff. Um how many other council member were there at that
meeting? >> There there was only one of us. It was only Commissioner Turkin, sir. >> And >> and you can watch it online, Woodro. It's right in the beginning of the meeting. >> That's not my question. >> Literally like 10 minutes in. >> And Commissioner, hey, I didn't I didn't
speak. I didn't give any commentary. I was there observing. So I don't want to make the uh perception that I was speaking on the behalf of anybody here. I just want to make that clear. >> I can understand that. But my my question is that I didn't know anything
about it. Was there any particular reason why uh the other the rest of us weren't told? Sir, I >> I could I could have made the meeting is what I'm getting to had I known about it.
>> I I don't mean this in a disrespectful manner. I I I I briefed you on that meeting when I went to Carolyn Sims that night and I told the entire room I was going to go in there at 9:30 to give a presentation on annexation. >> I understand that, but I got the
impression that you were going, not other it. It's not it's I don't want to waste too much more time on this, but uh all I'm saying is I didn't get the impression that I was invited if I wanted to go. Okay, Dan. >> So, we can move on. We can move on to
the next agenda item. If there's no no other qu is there any other questions for any from the any of the other electives, we'll we'll move on. >> No, we can move on. That's fine. I'll talk to Shauna off offline. >> Can you scroll down, Andrew?
>> You see it? >> Yeah, I got you. So, we're at 5A. These are uh three waivers that uh some of our advisory board members are looking for. uh they're fairly self-explanatory. It's obviously going to require a um
majority vote on each. I I'm not sure what the overall appetite is to um to approve any sort of language for waiverss, but obviously with the passage of the uh new rules and regulations, the
board does have that authority. So, >> yeah. And this kind of go I mean I look at them and I see most of them are asking for waivers that live outside of the city and that was kind of my um my desire to not have that as a waiver option because now we're running into
that's like now we have three people who are strictly just looking for waivers because they live outside of the city and they want to serve on a board. And I noticed, thank goodness, our public affairs department is finally listening and posted that we have vacancies. I
feel like we'll start getting more applications for these boards. So, I mean, I just want to remind the board that that was kind of my I was kind of strong on not wanting people outside of the city so that so that we could give our city residents the opportunity. And
now we have three people um looking for waiverss strictly because they live outside of the city. So, um, >> if I may, >> I agreed. I'm not in support of that. >> Agreed. I'm with Commissioner Kelly and the mayor >> and I'm also with the commission and
mayor and but my only question is why don't we make that can we make that Shauna a rule rather than face a a waiver or if they know upfront that that's not going to be allowed, we wouldn't have to go through this. Right.
Am I right? Well, Commissioner, actually it is a rule in our ordinances. However, we do allow a waiver because we were having trouble on some of these boards. You know, I think this is a new process. Uh I think if we just set the tone, you
know, one of the waiverss is for a um fourth term on the historic preservation board. One of the waiverss, interestingly, um two of them actually are just related to um seeking an additional term. And
then yeah, there are some that are outside of the city, but the one is for like the education and youth advisory board where we have trouble getting a quorum. So, you know, that that was the purpose of the waiverss. I would
encourage the commission not just to say no, just to give it a little time to play out, see how it plays out. But if the direction for the commission is to take that out of the waiver process, that is certainly something we can do. >> Okay.
>> And excuse me, >> go ahead. >> Okay. uh China that does that apply for h what's our position when people have a business inside the city limits but they live on
the outside of the city limit did we did we discuss that uh >> yes we did and those >> our position >> those are all things the commission should take into consideration where you may consider someone who you know that was part of it because a lot of the
boards did not have that provision vision if they've had a business in the city for 30 years but they don't physically live in the city um you know they couldn't serve. So that was part of the reason for allowing for the waiverss.
>> Okay. >> Well, but Shauna, my understanding is in our ordinance it the requirements to be on the board is either you have to be a resident, own a business or own property in the city. So the waiver shouldn't
really apply if they meet one of those criteria. But if they don't meet that criteria, then that's why they're asking for a waiver. So >> they were different standards for different boards, Commissioner Kelly. So I think we tried to uniform it, make it more uniform so it wasn't as
disjointed. >> Okay. So when we um I'm sorry there was there's one person that is um receiving requesting a waiver that I spoke to her directly because her company um she says that she has
business in the a business in the city. So I called her directly to ask like where the business is at to see if it's actually within the city and she's like oh well I work online but I have I have customers within the city. So um you
know there there are uh resident or people who are are putting yes as that they work within the city but it's not >> um Sha real >> yeah it needs to be an established business. >> It needs to be brick and mortar.
>> Yeah. not an LLC that has a BTR online in my opinion at least. I think if >> what we can do lately is >> let's change the form. >> Okay. >> So that it says um >> brick and mort >> you know business name and location
within the city and we can fix that. >> Yeah. And um one of the one of the people who are requesting um the the waiver is an is an alternate right now on the board but would like to be a regular member because there's two
vacancies on the education board and he's an alternate. However, he does live out live outside of the city. So um but in order to be an alternate and move up to a regular, you have to reapply for that position. So, he's reapplying to be
a regular position, but he is a current alternate position even though he lives outside of the city right now. >> Whoa. >> Um, Andrew, real quick under that item. So, we're talking about
a lot of information. We're talking about a lot of extra information as far as like owning a business, maybe owning a business was current. when is all of that information built in to this item where when we click on it or we go in
and we're doing this weekend when I'm reviewing all this and I'm it when I click on 5A is it going to be clear that or is it just here's the waiver and this is what they're looking for and there's no
backup telling us that all the things that melee just said that she did her due diligence is there anything that says this is why they're applying for the waiver. This is what the So, I just I'm not I'm you know, we're doing this
agenda review. We're not supposed to go into all of this crazy detail, but we are right now anyway. But, you know, when I go back through and look at it, I is it I know what they're an answering because it's on the application, but
mainly like you just said, you had one applicant who was like, well, I own a business, but then it turns out they don't really own a business in the city. They just have some clients in the city. And so, now we're in this. So my issue
is that you know and I know that commission or vice mayor Haye has brought this up in the past. You know when when we get these appointments we are assuming that you've that everything has been vetted and when we get them they're eligible. We know all the
information. They're we're good to go. And so if there are red flags or issues, I feel like that application is maybe not ready to be on the agenda. If there are still questions or it needs to just not be on there as like a hey, this one's ready to go. It needs to somehow
we need to figure out a way where we can have a discussion about it before we just vote on it, I guess, is my issue because >> there's a lot of information that now you've told us during this agenda review that's not on here. And so later on when I go back through, I have to pull out my
notes or from my memory or if I wrote them down as far as this conversation and who was what and who owned a business but didn't really own a business and who was a is a current >> the person who owns a business but didn't really like have the brick and
mortar within the city. That's why she has a waiver because had she not had she had a brick and wh brick and mortar within the city, we wouldn't have had her fill out the the waiver because she has a business within the city.
>> So, it specifically does check off on there um live outside the city limits there. I think it's on page two. Um, and then the other person I I have it on the list that he's um and it's in that in that
breakdown right there that he's an alternate member. >> Um, >> right. >> He's a current alternate member seeking um seeking to be a a regular member. However, um he lives out outside the city. So I mean I did try to explain as
much as possible um so that way it's clear right but right but like for instance so the one who but the one that you said and I don't want to keep beating a dead horse we can talk about it offline but the one that you said own she checked
the box that says she owns a business but then when you followed up you found out differently where then is that information just >> well that's why as the waiver because um when we receive the application itself
um that's when we go in and we check to make sure that they're um they're registered voters that they actually live within the city that their city because >> I had somebody else who um who had applied and their address. So we go and double check
and we vet all of that. And so with this um with her, I checked on her address and she lived outside of the city. And then I didn't see an address for like her her business. So I called her directly and I said, "Hi." You know, I
explained and so she told me, "Oh, well, I don't have an actual brick and mortar. It's on online." So I told her that she would have to fill out the waiver and I sent her the the waiver >> um because of that. So we do our vetting beforehand and then we send them the waiver if we figure out that they need
to have a waiver. >> Right. But so but on that waiver does it does it go into that detail and say that she just has clients in the city or does it you know what I'm saying? Like are is or are we gonna So that's my So that's
great because that process is working and we now have the waiver but technically the the wa so it's Yeah. Anyway, I'll stop >> and also what type of business it is. That would help us too. Like what type of business does this woman have online?
You know, >> what we can do, >> can I make I'm sorry to interrupt um Rome. I apologize. Let's pull if we can, we can pull the waiverss from the agenda. Um we don't want to hold you up. We'll
pull the items from the agenda and maybe as part of the process, you know, legal puts together a little dossier on what the person is or melee does or something. And again, I apologize. We did just do this process.
So, you know, it is we are kind of working through some of the kinks. So, I you know, >> and that's fine. I just Right. I just I mean if we're normally we're not going into long discussions about this at a meeting and we're talking about it or we're doing our due diligence offline
and so but if that information is not written down somewhere or documented then we don't have any idea all the thing all the checks that were done and all the vetting that happened and how that played out and we're just
kind of running with it based on what we're provided. So, I just I'm concerned about that because I there's there's got to be a better way to really document it. Um, you know, so that so that we have a clear understanding what's going on
because I mean based on this, it's just saying she lives outside the city. We wouldn't even consider it. So, I So, that's I just >> Okay. >> Okay. So, if I have direction from the commission at this time, we'll just go
ahead and pull the waiverss at at this time. >> Yes. >> Well, can we I mean, can it be updated before the meeting when you republish? I mean, if so and we have the information. >> I the only reason I don't is because of
how much work we're doing on um the response on the other items. >> I can work on that. that item. Um, if you if you'd like to explain a little bit more in the background. >> Yes, we we will update it. We will update it then unless there's a
consensus to pull the items from from the commission. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If I may just make a comment, that that's all. I I agree with my colleagues what was just stated by uh Commissioner
Kelly. Um, but just for the record, it it kind of grieves my spirit a little bit that we we're turning down uh people who want to work on these committees, especially when we don't have a long waiting line
of people trying to trying to step into those slots. We we we we have a challenge and I think we all know that of trying to fill these positions and and yet, you know, it we're turning down people who really want to work or have
worked in the past. So, it just just kind of a a slight rub, you know, the wrong way, but I understand what we're doing. So, uh we can move on. Okay, we good to go. >> Keep it moving. >> Okay. Do we want to see the advisory
board appointments? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Scrolling up, Andrew. >> All right. So, consent. All the 6A is is essentially just a um reimbursement for our um FD transport with anyone that's
on Medicaid. That's going to be a reimbursement from the state. uh 6B, it's going to be a uh affiliation agreement between a city and family search international for the library card holders to use our family search genology database. That's also free of
charge. Uh 6C is going to be a uh Andrew, this is the one where the uh >> students ride along >> the the students ride with uh the fire department. Yeah. With FD.
>> Yep. Yeah. >> And then we're also >> that's just that that's for volunteer >> of the students >> are they're not high school age, are they? >> No. No. They're they're Yes. Correct. They're college level. >> This is going to be like Palm Beach State College and stuff like that. We
we've had this program for a very long time. >> Yes. Um the other thing that I was only asking because there used to be uh some that allowed u teen ride alongs as part of their
college those college or career type schools and uh we ran into issues. That's the only reason I was asking >> just to mention also in 6C we're asking for the commission to um or is it no
that's coming up? Yes. know that one too to um approve the affiliated agreements that the mayor and the city manager can sign those. These are all agreements that where we transact with a company that's not causing any costing the city any money. So we're asking as a part of
that item as well there's a resolution there authorizing affiliated agreements as well. Am I explaining that right Shauna or Stacy? Yeah, it's basically for, you know, the city contracts with a number of entities to provide internship opportunities,
work experience, volunteering with the city, etc. So, it's intended to cover those day-to-day types of agreements with no fiscal impact to the city. >> All right, moving on to 6D. I'll let Shauna take this. I know she sent an
email to each of you guys. So, I'm assuming this is going to be like a one-on-one thing, Shauna. >> Yes. I mean, we have a $110,000 settlement of one of our litigation cases. Um, if anybody has the $ 110,000 is 100% city dollars. There's no
insurance dollars kicking in uh because it's below the self-insured retention. But if anyone has any specific questions about it, um, you know, as always, I'm available to talk. >> All right. Uh, moving on. Uh,
reimbursement up to $7.1 million for Oak Street. Uh I know we've been going back and forth in reference to uh looking at the different restrictions of this property. I think we've worked through them for the most part. So it's uh this essentially is going to be a reimbursement from the CRA. Any
questions in reference to this? >> No. >> All righty. Going scroll up Andrew to 7A. Uh 7A is going to be a piggyback agreement between the city and it's a um a co-op with America of Alabama LLC for
the furnishing, delivery, and discharge of quick line for a expenditure not to exceed $733,000. That's for our utility plant for our water. Uh 7B is going to be a a uniform
allowance for our uh un uniforms related products for our uh SEIU members not to exceed $160,000. Uh scrolling down Andrew to 8A I want to
these are all second readings of the annexation ordinances involving Bamboo Lane and Palara. Would you guys like to ask any questions reference to this section? >> No legal.
>> Okay. And we have two first readings. This is for a dispensary that would like to actually annex into the city of Boon Beach and it's located at 3604 Boon Beach Boulevard. Mayor, I know you asked me about this. I did not um initially know a lot of information about it. So,
um, these are two first readings and it's a request for that business to actually annex into the city >> and it is a dispensary. >> What I hear you saying, Dan, is that none of these have any impact from that meeting that was held yesterday.
Correct. >> Uh, no, sir. Right. We need to from a legal standpoint, what I've gathered from the legal department, and again, you guys can actually um ask, the county wants us to pause all annexations.
This has to do with their letter of objection. We need to go forth in my opinion and also in legal's opinion. And again, if you need more information, you can call the legal department. Um, we need to proceed forward with both Palm Maro and
Bamboo Lane because they make the most sense as far as like being annexed into the city. >> Okay. Not not not understanding the whole gamut of of things. We're not we're not making an enemy of the of the county here, are are we? By by being
>> bold. And I think uh essentially what it is is that if we pause >> Uhhuh. It's an it's an indefinite pause and you don't know when you're going to be able to restart that annexation. So I got
>> if we pause, >> there's no incentive for them >> to actually press forward to to allow us to annex. So if we annex, what they're going to do is they're going to look for legal remedies according to their letter
of objection. And then if a court or our mediation process or administrative process that we're going to have with the county after we do the annexations, >> if they end up ruling in our favor, that's going to give us the green light
to proceed with further annexations out west. So this is kind of a uh I guess a prerequisite of us getting to that point. >> Gotcha. >> Or have further negotiations with the county other alternative options. Right. >> Correct. >> Correct. Yes,
>> Dan, if I can just jump in for one second. >> Yeah, please. Please, Stacy. >> Sure. Um, so the county has indicated that they intend to initiate the um chapter 164 dispute resolution process if the city proceeds with the second
reading of annexation. So what that means is essentially they send us notice, they go to their board um and initiate the statutory process which would then allow the city commission and the county commission to get together
and meet to see if there are potential options to resolve the dispute. So you will be able to discuss any proposals on the table um or any options that the parties may consider um at that time. If
you're unable to informally resolve it by a meeting, there is a mediation process before anything proceeds to court with respect to um any disagreement between the city and the county here. >> Okay.
>> Commissioner, I also want to clarify that the last three items um concerning the cure relief um we did not get an objection letter for those three items. those three items. We did get a letter from the county saying that they're okay with that annexation. Um the letter of
objection was purely for Bamboo Lane and Pomera and centered around the idea of the um the power of attorney. >> Very good. Okay. Just one other thing I would mention that um as we're talking
about legal stuff, there is a possibility that one of the owners within the annexation areas could sue the city. So it's not just the county. We could have one of the the people that are being annexed in sue the city as well. Correct, Shauna or Stacy? My
>> That's correct. Yes, they would they would have standing and there are a variety of legal issues associated with that based on the underlying um water service agreements that I'm happy to speak with any of the commissioners offline um in vast detail about this.
>> I can also say that since the first reading um we did reach out to um the one applicant the one um uh person who did give me their contact information. it was the the woman that was concerned
about the zoning and the change of density and she did email us several questions. I did respond back to her. Um I actually think that our zoning gives her more development potential than her current zoning. Um I haven't heard back
from her since my last email. So any questions that we did get, we did we got two other informal inquiries that we did respond to as well. Uh but that has that has been all that we've received. We got a quick question. Um, Amanda, in
in theory, if if we move forward with the annexation in the case of this isolated um this isolated property where the zoning is going to be favorable for the property owner, couldn't you argue
that their property value could potentially increase with the additional zoning that they would get uh in respect density >> probably, but but not not really because
the the taxable value is still going to be done and conducted by the appraiser the way in which it's done today. You really >> were to sell the property. >> Exactly. If you were to sell the property, you would be able to negotiate more favorably as you would be allowed
to do more units. So, it does make the property more valuable. It doesn't necessarily directly impact the taxable the current taxable value. >> Okay. >> But she will still be taxed on her single family home.
>> That's good for her. >> Yeah. >> Just bear with me here for a minute. Uh Dan, u at that meeting uh Tuesday, was there any members from uh Cobra there? And did they speak and what was the
flavor? I I can tell you the overall it wasn't much of a meeting other than the city essentially getting grilled by the county and Cobra of them not wanting to annex and they essentially want to continue using our services and not pay
any of the um related avalorum taxes. But what they don't understand and I think uh Commissioner Turkin I guess you can take this because this is the point that you kind of brought up but yes Cobra was there. So I I would I would >> I think it's also Oh, I apologize.
>> Actually, like if we went by what the individual from Cobra mentioned on record, she came up there and she said, >> "I had an abundance of things and comments written down. However, after listening to city manager Duggar,
>> those those comments have changed. So, I think I think what it it seemed as though that the Cobra delegate there um was open to the idea of some form of negotiation between the
city and the county and appreciated that the city had came to the county and um you know had had this open conversation. So, I don't think there was that much real push back because the way the county had presented the presentation to
the uh board members, they they included the the whole map of annexation, right? So, when they were looking at the screen, you know, it's it's a little bit misleading because they're talking about Palara and Bamboo Lane, which is what we're focused on now, which is all we've
discussed now. But then they're showing this map of annexation like completely out west which is not relatable to what is focused in front of us right here and right now. And so >> overall it it I think they were I think
they were pleasantly surprised that you know that there's there's dialogue being had between the county and looking at potential utility absorption. But I, you know, I can tell you there was not a single person from Palra. There was not a a single person from Bamboo Lane at
the county meeting. It was just one Cobra delegate um speaking on behalf of Cobra and mentioning litigation for neighborhoods that are not in Cobra. So, I thought that was very strange. >> Very good. I appreciate that. Uh,
Commissioner Turkin, cuz >> Dan, you Dan, you must have been a used car salesman. The last time the last time I attended the Cobra meeting, man, >> uh, I had I had a target on my back, you know, but
>> they were now >> they put a machete under the mayor's car, so you know. >> Oh my goodness. >> They did beat up Dan pretty bad. I will say D was a punch back. >> It was it was it was a little bit >> he definitely took one for the team.
>> Yes, >> but it got better at the end. Not the very last minute, but it did start coming around a little bit and then the last minute. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there's a comment. You should It's It's very early on in the meeting if you want to watch it. It's about 15 minutes. >> I'm going to I'm going to listen to it. Thank you.
>> Yeah, it's a it's definitely a dynamic situation. I at the end I think uh emotions kind of calmed down and everyone was kind of looking at looking for a compromise I guess. >> Hey real quick Amanda on this on the
Corora leaf ones is this just a single building a single business building. >> It is it is one parcel with an existing business structure on the parcel already. Um, and they came into request
to be annexed into the city. >> Andrew, can you really quick just show me the map so I can see what I'm looking at real quick? >> It's on Buen Beach Boulevard on the north side. Um, I mean, literally the next to the last parcel in the city. It is
I can show an aerial. >> You see that? >> Yes. >> Just west of Canth Road on the north side. And the requested zoning and land use is consistent with what's directly to the east.
>> Oh, so it's next to like Aldi. Is that what where it is? >> Um Shalomar building. >> Oh, the plaza that has like point and pizza and then there's like a law firm just west of that
>> salvo just west of it. Okay. is uh is is that the furthest west business or is there other stuff west of there that's already in the city >> or that's the city line I see in black. >> Yep.
>> Okay. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Thank you. Uh then 10 and regular agenda is my evaluation and also uh city attorney Shauna Lamb's evaluation. >> Okay.
>> Is there anything I need to say about that since I'll be introducing that next Tuesday? Lyn, I'm prepared to do my own evaluation and all the information is there in the item >> or my not my evaluation but my presentation.
>> Your presentation. Yeah. >> Okay. >> There is one thing I wanted to add. Um you all may have received an email from uh Susan Oyer. There is a class action lawsuit right now against the state in Tallahassee to challenge one of the
bills that just passed. Um, it is something that I had been looking into and plan to um discuss with you individually, but when she emailed, I didn't want you guys to think that I didn't know what was going on and wasn't
involved. But so when we speak about annexation, I will speak to each one of you individually about that um lawsuit and if that's something we want to just potentially join. And if
there's a a direction that it seems like the majority wants to join, then that is something we'd have to bring a resolution uh to the commission. But I didn't want to bring the resolution without discussing it with you. This is for um >> live local
>> to participate in the litigation against the bill with ref. >> It is not live local in and of itself. Is this is this the bill is but this is I think okay 180 >> it's the comments and then that's confusing right so that's confusing
because obviously the email was and you know this is fully like protects the city of outlive local and so I was >> that is that right that is not the case >> is more for uh >> emergency disaster relief and emergency management >> right
>> okay so we'll have discussions about that because it the yeah I I is confusing because I had not heard about and I actually >> no it deals with some comp planned amendments because the emergency just briefly without going into a super high
level of detail essentially the state has said we cannot make any of our development zones any more restrictive right and a lot of um cities were doing that to prevent live local
>> and so there's a number of cities who have joined together in a class action lawsuit to stop the state from being able to do that. >> Got it. Okay. >> So, what So, all right. So, essentially it
prevents the city from making our our our land use more strict >> is what you're saying. >> That's correct. the the current >> I mean I would I I would >> until 2027.
>> Okay. So, how long is that litigation going to go for? >> Right. >> You know, >> it would be two years. >> Yeah. >> We'll talk offline. I I prefer to talk offline because there's a lot of factors >> um we have to take into consideration.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All right, guys. That's all I have. I mean, unless you guys have any questions, um, this will, uh, conclude the, uh, agenda review. It's, uh, obviously a lot more shorter than, um, uh, the last commission meeting once,
which was fairly lengthy. Any questions? >> Yeah, just real just quick comment. Can we do something about that Little League sign that's um, off Wright? It looks super janky. >> Yeah, we have plans to replace that
sign. um as a part of the project. >> Okay. >> Is that is that the pylon sign? >> Correct. That's correct. >> Well, but are we going to be a We can't do another pylon sign there, right? Because it it that was just grandfathered in because of our ordinances.
>> Yeah, correct. >> We have to go with a marquee. >> Uh yeah, we're actually have a digital sign playing there. It's actually really cool in the shape of a baseball uh um home plate of a baseball. >> Oh, cool. Andrew, speaking of digital signs, any updates on the digital signs
for in particular for district 4 at fire station three that has nothing >> currently. >> I've been getting some questions on that as well. >> Yeah. >> About district 4. >> Yeah. >> So I I don't we can put what we have
currently at other locations, the digital sign we currently have. So, if the commission wants to use the exact same sign like we have at Woolbrite, then I could actually put that in. But what we had planned to do was to rebrand the signs and then that was that whole purpose of bringing you guys the the
whole um plan to upgrade the signs throughout the city over time. >> Oh, so we're kind of back to square one. Um but if you want to move forward with that sign, we could. Um, if not, I need >> I need direction on um as far as what
the new layout >> Shauna Shauna, can you mute real quick? >> Not on mute. >> I apologize. Thank you. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead, Andrew. >> What I was saying is we could do the current signs that we have like at Woolbrite and at MLK and Serest.
>> But that we we really would love to redesign those signs because what we found is they're too small. They're not wide enough. and the copy gets a little bit chopped on it. So, we wanted to redesign and that's when we were working with Danny on rebranding the signs. So,
I really would like to rebrand the signs before we do them. But, I could put a sign up if that's what the direction of the commission is. >> It would be around 25. I think we have a contract about 25. >> Yeah. But what's the time? I can't make that decision without knowing how long it's going to take. I mean, I I agree. I
don't want to do it twice or I don't want to have a sign that's outdated and then it's the it's the you know the odd man out because we rushed it. >> But if we're I mean here we started a I guess a rebranding process. Where are
we? I mean what's the timeline? Because I'm not I can't wait two years to not have any signage on the west side of I mean it's ridiculous. We have no way of communicating any information citywide in district 4. There's nothing. Yep.
>> Nothing. So, you're going to tell me it's going to take two years, I'm not I'm going to say let's let's get it done and get a sign up and just do it. But if I mean, if if we're talking six months, then I can I can get behind that. But, I mean, so I can't make I can't make a
decision unless I know that information. Sorry. It's just I'm um it's >> frustrating. I I have a question. How long does it take after we approve this the proofs to get one of those signs up like in order and out on the ground? >> Depends how much they cost and what we
procure them. So there it's a little bit complicated, but I could say if we had the design done and then they got to go through permitting. So it could be six to nine months >> depending on the procurement side of it. So like what I'm hearing now and in and
basically in my recommendation we would go ahead and move forward with the digital sign that we have now. We could always relocate it or reuse portions of it. Um it's an investment there, but I do think it's going to take us some time to get what we all want as quality. So
my recommendation would just to move forward with that sign at that location. We did get money from the accident that took out the previous sign that was there. So, we could offset some of that cost with that money. >> Let's just I I support getting it up as soon as possible.
>> We have holiday events that district doesn't know about. They don't know about the downtown events. You know, these are the things that I'm hearing, >> right? >> Um >> and I think just roll with it. >> Yeah. I mean, we even have the white board up there, but we're not utilizing it. There's not I mean, First Friday is
not up there. Pirate Fest is coming. There's no sign up there. So, we're not utilizing even the white board that we have there. So, I mean, we have to do something. I mean, the information has to get out. So, I mean, if if if the board could support me on that, I would really like to see that sign get get put
up there >> sooner rather than later. >> Yep. You got my support. >> Thank you, everyone. >> Perfect. >> I'll get with you and on a timeline, Commissioner Kelly, once I uh we'll we'll circle the troops and I'll get you an idea of what when we get it done. >> Okay. Awesome. Thank you.
I I have one more that >> go ahead that Shauna. >> Yes. I'm sorry. I thought we were wrapping up. I just have to say one thing to Rebecca before um we all hop off, but go ahead, Commissioner. >> Okay. Vice Mayor.
>> Yeah. I just have one more that I want to kind of resurrect or get going and and and that's one that I've been talking about for a long time, but even though it has Commissioner Turk's name on it, I support it wholeheartedly. It could be Turk, but that is 11F
uh about the lighting, the master plan for the light up the city. >> Uh my wife and I were celebrating now. We had an anniversary and I drove up US1 from uh down south and man I tell you it was
beautiful drive except when I got to Boon it went it went dog so I would like to see that we stepped that up. I know it's it's got uh TBD you know to be determined but I like to really see us start doing something on that to to make
that that uh happen stop ball rolling. Uh it it's been on the uh list for quite some time and uh I I would just like to see us do something to to lighten up our time our town because it's it's so
cotton picking dark. >> I was very depressed last night. I got to Boon just to be honest with you. >> So I don't know >> this the the first step but you guys know. So let's let's just start making it happen. Okay.
>> Yeah. Let's move it up. Let's get on get on it. >> Eight months. >> Eight months it's been on the agenda. I think also too we can get creative with the funding mechanisms. You just had the school zone cameras initiate, right? Because I think lighting is not just
about lighting. You know, it's it's a it's an infrastructure. It has to public safety. Um, you know, I think you could even argue environmentally what type of lights we use. you could you could look at some funding mechanisms from that perspective. So I I don't want us to get
hung up on well it's not budgeted. I want to get creative on how we could fund this. >> Um also too uh mobility maybe right need to be able to drive and travel at night. So, I think there's a lot of different avenues that we can take to, you know, obviously create a master plan like um
Commissioner Haye mentioned uh when we discussed this months and months ago, but at least get some get get some infrastructure moving in place now, having those conversations with FPL >> and any other potential company or vendor that we can talk to. I remember
when I was at League of Cities in August, I was approached by a young man, uh, one of the vendors, and, you know, he he was asking me to, you know, get an an introduction with Dan and and andrew, you know, our city executive staff to
discuss like solar panel lighting that cost the city nothing. And they will put they'll put it in, they'll install it. And more so, it was around uh beaches. They did them on like boardwalks in in places like Hollywood I think was one of the examples which is a little bit different from us because we only have
such a small portion of waterfront property at least that's beach side but I think there's definitely different tools or vendors that are similar to that that we can utilize um like like Commissioner Hay was saying you know Federal Highway also Southeast 4th
Southeast third you know as we see these towers come up you know you're going to see a lot of development transp spire north and south of Ocean Avenue. And so I want to make sure that, you know, we're playing we're being proactive, you know, as we we've always discussed
prior. So I'm I'm with you 100%, Commissioner A. And let's let's uh let's move that to the front. >> Let's let's move it to the front. >> Well, up high. >> Up high. Yeah. >> Let's lock it up. And you know what,
Commissioner Turkey, you and I must have talked to the same guy because he he was saying basically the same thing to me and talking a lot about the uh uh the panel the you know uh how how that has worked for some cities and so I I don't
know what the answer is but you guys are the experts. So, if you if you guys would um on the Saturday this November 8th when we're doing the joint workshop, this is a topic we could take up that that meeting >> and then I can uh we can have staff work on some of the kind of outline of the
discussion and where we're going with it >> and we can bring it up at the 8. >> Yeah, because you're we're going to have to do a design for what exactly with the scope that we're we're talking about. Light it up like especially like is it just going to be centered on the east side of the city? Is it going to be the
west side of the city? What do we want to do? Solar lighting as far as what's the theme uh going to be? Like are we talking about the color of the lights? There's a whole host of things that we're going to have to look at and maybe we go into uh maybe a
smaller scope and then we can broaden it from there if it's something that we do that that we actually uh that we like. Yeah, I think I think that's great. Doing a very extensive feasibility study, whatever. But Woodro or Commissioner Haye mentioned something.
He he he he mentioned exactly how it is. He was driving and subjectively just saw it. So, it costs no money just to drive around the city at night. And I think you could get a goodanding of like where the opportunities are and where the priorities should be, right?
And I can tell you, I'm sure it's throughout the whole district, >> but it's definitely on the east side because >> there is a lot of um non HOA neighborhoods. Um and there and a lot there's like a lot of u mines being buried and chains on the side with FPL
and so I know it's just a hodgepodge, but I I think um you know, Commissioner Hayes method >> just let's just drive around at night, you know, and we'll see a real >> a real need of where it needs to be. And I guarantee you find a lot of blind spots. >> Yeah, >> that's what I call them.
>> Yeah. Well, Commissioner Turkin, you brought up a good point with the development. You know, they're going to be required to put in some lighting, but we really should be like bridging that gap to make I mean, we're going to have development come in and then the last thing we want is a a dark road where
people can walk for a block to to leave the building and then it's pitch black. So we need in particular, you know, where the projects are going in, we want to make sure that it really truly becomes walkable. And so, you know, along those corridors where we're, you
know, where we're building a focus on on on lighting and making sure that, you know, they I am totally fine with downtown taking priority on lighting because I that is definitely where the need is. Um, like you pointed out, Commissioner Turk, the west side is, you
know, neighborhoods and HOAs, although we did put lighting along minor road, but most of our major most of our roads are major roads and we don't have lighting issues like we have on the east side. >> We're going to hear more about this issue when the time change happens,
>> but yeah. >> Yeah. Andrew, you said we we'll discuss this at the workshop. Just for clarification, that's the joint workshop. >> Yes, sir. I think that's a I think that's a great idea >> and I think we'll try and get FPL there as well. Um because I think what you hit
right on the head is that you know with all the the hardening and the conversion that FPL has been doing I mean they pretty much have on the east side federal highway it's like you a hodgepodge is not a it's probably a good term for it but it's probably worse than that. Um, so I think working with them
too, there's a lot of programs they have that we could do. So it's a good time to talk about it. >> Good. >> Do we want to reach out to Amy and maybe I'm sorry, Amy from um >> SPL? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> I I will make sure I reach out to her and let her know.
>> Awesome. >> And as much as possible, we can u put a little tweak in there for these developers. One of the things years ago when Rena common was being built, uh Jim the guy asked me, "What can we do to
make sure that we can make this safer and I said, "Light the sucker up." >> And uh he put lights all around the trees and poles and everything as you see now. And it worked. Let me tell you, that's it's beautiful. And we can do the same thing if we, you know, focus and
make it a priority. So, I'm looking forward to that workshop. >> Yep. >> Good stuff. All right. Thanks everyone. I'm good. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Mayor, I um the
your script is going to be a little different this week because of some of the things. So Stacy and I need to take time to go over it with you either Monday or um Tuesday. Probably. >> I'll come in on Monday.
>> Okay, sounds good. early Tuesday morning. We'll get it on the calendar. >> All right. Wonderful. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Bye everyone. Have a good night. >> All right. Thanks everyone. >> Okay. Take care. Bye. Bye. >> Bye.