um so it's definitely something that can help us with um when we can't get out there and do a full paving job it'll help extend the life okay sounds good thank you if there's no other questions we'll move
on i have a Oh really quick the uh community support funds it is Imagine Chance the Chancellor that was the the original one requested and then the one that's for the veterans golfers so those
are the two that I that I received a request from Commissioner Turkin okay perfect thank you if you had a different one if you had another one for the purple cobras let me know we can add it um but those are the two that we received the Imagine Chancellors and
then for the um the Veterans Golf perfect thank you no problem so for 7B and 7 C these are ones that I know the commission has uh some interest in so I'll just read those aloud uh the award invitation for bid number
PWE25-h 21B for the arts and cultural auditorium improvement projects to Lasco development um they won the uh RFP bid to do our audio and visual system over at the arts and cultural auditorium which me personally I think we it we're
going to have a a beautiful setup over there and it's going to have like a a unique venue that not a lot of uh other cities have especially with the historical aspect from our arts and c cultural center um it's an agreement between the city and Alaska development
for an amount of $1.242 242 million there's a 10% contingency for a total not to exceed 1.367 million proposed resolution this is two resolutions to approve a budget amendment amending amend amending CIP302 fund for project number
GG2402 increasing the budget from 1.2 to 1.487 and um our public works director uh Kevin Ramsey he's done a fabulous job with this project he's online if you guys have any questions about the increased cost or the budget amendment aspect of it
is it just strictly an an increase of of cost and or is there is there something else being added kevin did you hear that yeah nothing else is being added the we had we had budgeted 1.1 million on our
CIP and the cost came in at the 1.22 so okay that's where we're at just construction cost in general okay thank you okay yeah uh-huh this is going to be a really really cool
project and it's it it's something that's been a long time coming they should have done this whenever we did the entire renovation for the town square with the public portion of uh the project but it wasn't completed so now we're kind of I I think we should be ready to go by
the time our staff holiday party is ready so be a be a pretty pretty uh pretty cool setup um and I I think we're going to we're trying to um from a design aspect we're looking to do something like Christ Fellowship has if
you guys want to go over there and take a look at that setup um 7C this is the children's schoolhouse that's the repairs to the second floor i'll let Andrew speak on this uh he has a little bit more um engineering knowledge than I do as far as the second
floor improvements yeah so we had some um deflection in the floor some of the joists in the floor were sagging a little bit and we had a structural engineer come out and they've made some recommended repairs um we this
this was an anticipated project it's something that we definitely need to do to make sure that they can utilize the full facility so we brought this forward we went out to bid we got the bid we've opened and um we're pulling from fund balance this is another one that was not a planned project but it's necessary so
we uh we open the bids for two 213 and then we're adding a 10% contingency for a total project cost of 234 uh 264 including the uh the uh contingency uh and we'll be pulling $234,000 from fund balance in the CO the
302 projects or 303 this one and Kevin's on he can also answer any questions if you have any no questions all right so moving on to 7D this is the purchase of 10 units
through a purchase order utilizing the uh Florida Sheriff's Office Association contract this is essentially 10 uh vehicles this is a fleet request for 512,000 if uh you want Andrew to open it apparently we're getting great deals on Ford Broncos
what yes $30,000 for a 2025 uh Ford Bronco yeah that's a great price because they were actually backed up you know this like they it's a uh everyone wanted them and now nobody wants them
and now no one wants them so it says admin who is that for is that for one of the directors i'm assuming that one is for me annalie Holmes forward okay all right we're going to move on uh
this is a soul source agreement with Barney's Pumps to provide uh parts and repairs and replacements to pumping stations in an amount not to exceed $400,000 annually uh the reason why it's soul source it's the configuration of our um pump stations we've had them I
think close to 15 years so annual costs uh 7F is going to be a soul source purchase of three forensic workstations on issue a purchase order to Summary LLC an amount not to exceed
to $180,000 upon the execution of FDLE online sting grants this is for a grant for uh online for um forensic computer team as far as whenever they do their undercover operations for child sexual predators all right moving on to 8A and
8B i'll uh let Amanda take these yeah hi good evening um 8A and 8B are pertaining to a project that is proposed on 1101 North Congress that is the Boon Beach prominade there's an existing building there that's about 15,000
square ft and they are proposing to add a floor to the existing building um the associated uh variance um is essentially asking for relief from parking because while they want to expand the building there is no room for
them to expand parking uh technically uh the recommendations within the staff report are recommended in denial but giving an alternative for approval should the commission choose to approve the project uh the variance there are certain criteria within the code that
don't allow us to approve the variance or recommend approval of the variance when we're looking at it through like strict compliance however the applicant did justify um their variance in ways that are not
necessarily permitted in the code but still justifiable uh so we are leaving it open-ended here are the agenda which usually says recommend approval says approval or denial of this project um the only reason we're recommending
denial of the actual site plan is because we cannot support the variance so if you do choose to support the variance then the recommendation for the site plan would be to approve amanda are our are are are
are parking requirements for commercial excessive like do we need to go through and look at what our requirements are are they really adding that much additional commercial space
where um you know how many parking spots are they over that sort of thing yeah so they're asking for a reduction of 42 spaces we're correcting it to be 49 are are they excessive i I don't
believe so it they haven't been updated in quite some time and I do think it's worth the review for parking in general however the way they're justifying and this is what's difficult about parking is it's very use dependent and in a shopping plaza like this the uses change
out so we try and require a medium like a middle ground because there is a lot of vacancy in this is an out parcel there is a lot of vacancy in the building that's behind it so it's giving the illusion of being overparked because
there are uses that are either low demand parking or vacant right now there's no vehicles over there that's exactly what I'm saying because there's a lot of vacancy olive Garden that's where Olive Guard it's the Yeah
okay there's like 400 parking spaces over there it's like three cars i get what Amanda's saying though yeah i mean I understand that's why I'm asking if we need to if we need to re-evaluate and look at what our um what our
requirements are and see if they need to be updated uh because the last thing I want to do is to say no to this amazing commercial space that's going to bring in you know a a professional business to the Congress Avenue corridor i think
that's in that would be insane for us to to you know so um absolutely and that and that is why this is brought in front of I do have to explain it this way because it is not meeting the requirements of a variance a variance outright cannot be self-imposed and this
is self-imposed since they are adding the square footage it doesn't mean the staff support how many employees are they bringing over with this transition do we know uh that is not something they shared with us but this is supposed to be
medical office and it is about 8,000 square ft 8,100 square ft okay is is the parking lot in the plaza that's affixed to it is that overparked like how is that so and this is where it's a little bit gray because it's also important to
remember that this is an out parcel meaning the parcel that is the rest of the plaza isn't owned by the same entity right so they're relying on what is their neighbors parking to park their uses now
we do allow shared parking and that's how it was originally approved which is why we are giving the ability to approve this in this way but the the rest of the project the rest of that shopping plaza is not a
party to this request no I understand that but I mean have and I guess has the applicant been in touch with that plaza to see if we're all going to be like good neighbors right so we have requested that uh you know several
several times it we have been told that it has been difficult to get a hold of them okay so I'm not sure if they have actually made contact okay so currently they don't they do not have that setup
um you know being good neighbors and doing that already well right now there is shared parking so the way we typically do this is now that since they're adding 8,000 square ft we would typically request for the shared parking to be updated that requires both parcels
to be a party to this since the other applicant is not a party to this I can't change their shared parking i can't tell them that they have rights and update a parcel that is not asking for this so instead they're asking for a variance
from the request meaning it's no longer required for them we're talking seven seven spaces to to to approve that variance right you said 42 49 parking spaces and they have 42 no we
are they are asking for the relief in the amount of 49 parking spaces oh I see i see okay oh that's that that can be touchy um I mean just off the top of the cuff
there I would think that they need to talk to the other party uh to make sure that they're in agreement with this did they talk originally do do we know um about well you said that they're they're sharing parking spaces right now right
from the records we found there is a minor site plan that shows shared parking with between these two three parcels so the question is whether or not the other party would want to agree to allow expanding that to another
whatever is needed that is correct is there any potentials coming in on that big lot the lot of that plaza is vacant and I know from doing commercial real estate that owner is not very responsive at all um yes I think that attributes to why there nobody goes
there to lease and they leave when they do um what's that address 1101 I I'm just looking at it from the point that we've had several business closings along the Congress corridor we have a lot of vacancies over there so anytime we get a chance that we have
additional jobs coming in the city and we have a medical building and if they're going to open up provide jobs and and activate whatever portion of Congress that we have it's not necessarily going to be a bad thing well and their working hours are between the
hours of you know 8 to 5 or whatever and if they're sharing parking with Olive Garden Olive Garden is not going to be busy until dinner if they're busy at all and and that is the justification for shared parking that's right there's I'm looking at this now there's
there's a lot of parking in between absolutely true and they did that during the day and I mean I see 30 40 I see over 50 parking spots available
maybe even more yes and that was part of what they were what they submitted as part of their request to justify this variance but the code um only allows specific methods methodologies to allow for that so this isn't one of the approved methods again
that doesn't mean we can't approve it it just means in strict application of the requirements for a variance I cannot recommend approval it does not mean that we cannot that makes sense i I This does have to come to us yeah exactly right
this seems like such a pragmatic right and like you know maybe the conversation of having you know the change in um commercial parking spaces is a good idea but for me for this one right for this specific issue and request I mean just
looking at this completely pragmatically is I mean I wouldn't see why why not right i mean there's so much open parking just looking at this image and this is probably in the middle of the day I'm assuming and this is a medical
office with additional was 7,000 square feet is that what you said Amanda that's going on top the addition is 8,000 the existing structure is about 15 and it would be a mix of medical expanding are they bringing in a they're expanding or
they would be adding a top floor yeah okay but Amanda and I mean they're redoing a dated building they're bringing jobs they're bringing le space so all of these things are are part of the conversation um yeah I don't I don't really see a
problem with it with this specific scenario yeah um here's my question for Oh okay okay uh I mean I I I I really could approve this however for I guess
an legal need to jump in here is there any liability for us approving this variance and then the other party for whatever reason shows up and say "I never agreed to that now where are we is that is that a possibility
i I don't want us to vote on something what I what I can add to that uh is that so could they complain yes but we are not forcing them to do shared parking what we are approving is the
removal of required parking from this out parcel so let's say worst case scenario the neighboring shopping center is really upset um it becomes a civil matter between these two parcels if this
building is parking on their lot um they would need to mitigate their parking in which they are saying that they do not need in this request okay okay okay we have no word of a potential for a a big
box coming into the big lots economic development has not heard that no right so um and even with maybe in the commercial loop it's it's a dead space right now and even when it was operating there was still endless parking on right up against the sidewalk that Big Lots
was never full so I don't know what big retailer they're going to be able to put in there that's going to sustain with what's going on with brick and mortar retail's dead right yeah so and also would be the if the if the new owner is notified that's something that would be
in their commercial lease too yeah they will be they have been notified so when we do these there is a mailer that goes out to every parcel within 400 ft so they have received notice of this request okay okay good is that out of
curiosity is that a requirement or is that out of courtesy okay it is a requirement okay okay are there any other questions on AA or B otherwise you have me for a couple more items still uh no I was just gonna
say thank you for for bringing this up and providing this opportunity um we definitely need more businesses here and you know I I think the only the only potential downside is we cannot assume that they will be able to park in another lot so they'll just have to
figure it out you know I guess for now it's fine but eventually if somebody else were to come in you know a few years from now then then that's something they would need to understand that's all yeah and my hope is that when there are new users in the shopping center that at that point we'll be able
to redo the shared parking study and squared away between the two properties and one other question when we say medical building is it specific like a dental or it's a dermatology business oh okay okay
okay so those aren't even very long appointments anyways okay so if there's nothing else I'll move on to 8C okay 8 C is a code amendment relating to artificial turf this was initially requested by Commissioner Turkin several
months ago um the proposal in front of you does a few things um it now permits the use of artificial turf it we've taken some of the best practices that we've learned from other cities and other regulations um it it allows turf
it does see turf as imperous and there are a couple of triggers so it is permitted if you're doing a less than 800 square ft and if you are doing uh there's a certain amount of impervious or pvious area on your lot so if you are
triggering that threshold it doesn't mean you can't do it but it does mean you would have to provide drainage calculations so we can ensure that the property is draining appropriately all of these standards that we have included uh we looked at it through the lens of
as long as it's draining properly we are okay with it so it would be allowed in the front in the back in the side whatever you wherever you want to do it as long as we are holding water the way we are supposed to perfect i don't I don't have any questions thanks for uh bringing this
over and thanks to everyone for supporting this you know yeah I do support it but what why 800 square f feet just for my uh clarification and understanding yeah that's a that's a great question so that threshold was
actually already in the code um it was based on like the average square foot of what your front yard may be um or your backyard would be it is really just a a trigger point the more important trigger is the second part of the threshold
which is how much pvious space do you have on your lot meaning if your driveway is taking up half a lot and then you have like concrete to store your boat and you have you know your backyard is a full patio if you're triggering that 40% then either way
we're going to have to check check drainage my reasoning for bringing that up the there are many places in I I know in district two I would love to see uh the beauty of artificial turf but they may
not qualify but they would qualify no absolutely anyone could do it regardless of the trigger that that trigger is only if you need to provide drainage calculations or not so if you're under it we're just not even going to check we're going to assume that it'll be fine
and it won't affect drainage but if you are over it then we will be reviewing for drainage very good thank you very much my pleasure okay the next item D this is another code amendment uh this has been
talked about for a very long time this is the revisions to the art and public places program um there are three main things that are happening with with this amendment the first and most exciting is we are expanding the uses of which we can use public art dollars we have added
to the definition um and to the program itself that beautifification of public spaces would be an allowable use for public art dollars that's the first big change um the second change would be an incentive for the pay in le of program
versus the construction of art program um you essentially will be getting a 10% discount if you choose to contribute dollars into the fund versus if you are um creating art on your site and then the third thing that this does is
basically a consolidation clarify deleted things all over the place this program was in three different places in the code um so we essentially struck completely two of them we consolidated all the information
within the LDRs in one place amanda um question oh am I Can anybody hear me yes we can hear you yeah we can hear you okay um just for review uh wasn't There a cap of certain
percentage of the total cost for the public art piece yes there is what is that go ahead so those have remained unchanged right now what triggers the public art requirement is a value of $500,000 or more uh if you are
triggering that value of improvement you would need to participate in the program um the cap or the the art budget is 1% of the value capped at $1 million very good okay thank you i just couldn't pull
it there okay no problem so essentially this just I'm sorry i'm just trying to understand what the changes so you 10% discount if you pay
uh you know in loop of providing art so you know I know the cap is a million dollar right right cap is a million dollar so if you paid in you would only pay $900,000 um yes in theory yes exactly and then
what are the alternative uses that you mentioned so it is for beautifification of public spaces so there would be projects that you could allow for um art that provide shade or lighting um and the idea of incentivizing the fee in lie
of over the production of art it's to create a fund for us to start to use those dollars to beautify our civic spaces good what about the um the uh historic
preservation or what about the waiver for the scope or to widen the scope for the usage i tried to I tried to ask for that before i don't know if it went through or or not i asked about this in December and there was consensus
multiple I think we went over this three meetings in a row yeah I remember so the art the way it's written right now there are do we have an attorney on the phone on the line is there an attorney
i'm on the phone commissioner Turkin thanks so with um so with the with this specific one in order to widen the scope to include you know let's say historic preservation for example would that could that be amendment to this ordinance or does it
need to be a new ordinance because when we brought this up I know commissioner Cruz brought it up also this is not what was identified what's before us right now i like it don't get me wrong i like the beautifification you know aspect but I think we should
include a little bit of a wider scope in this if that's possible i guess that's what I'm asking yeah just just just give me one second Stacy uh yeah whenever we were crafting this Commissioner Turan we were kind of looking at because I think the commissioner as a whole wanted to
type uh be able to broaden the use of those funds to where for more pragmatic use and the beautifification I think it has a lot more encompassing aspect in the historic preservation fine and I'm I'm going to stop you for a second
because the commission decided and gave consensus on historic preservation specifically beautifification was added in between that conversation and now Mr kirk if I fine but what I'm asking is
why was what the commission had brought forward not included in this change or or is there another ordinance being worked on that includes widening the scope for public art that has
answer there's a couple of different things that happened because this has been ongoing and um you know this this amendment has been brought in several different conversations that we've had with the commission the initial presentation that staff gave didn't have anything to do with historic
preservation it really was focused on the expansion of the use of these funds beyond formal art in order to beautify our spaces so that is what we have in front of you now since then there have been conversations surrounding um how we could expand that to do some historic
preservation and a lot of that conversation was focused around the Andrew House and moving it and my thought was so first it depends what the goal is general historic preservation absolutely we might be able to write something in here that could capture that my fear was that the Andrew's house
is not a historic property and I didn't want to encumber this with something that we wouldn't be able to do however so so I'm gonna stop and I'm gonna stop you right there respectfully Amanda this is my problem my problem is the words my thought was when the direction of the
commission was historic preservation yes the Andrews house ordeal was going on it's still an ongoing issue but the issue I'm having is that commission gave direction and then seems to have been ignored what that direction actually was
and maybe modified which is fine that's okay but I I I don't recall having a conversation of that not being included in this that absolutely unless there's something in the intent was to make it so broad that we can cover anything that
we can justify as beautifification so if moving a historic home can be justified I think it's broad enough to cover that but we can add some specific language regarding historic preservation if that is the will of the commission the idea was to go so broad that as long as we
approve the project we can cover anything that the commission would like to cover well Amanda so again so again this is for you Dan the the will of the commission was very clear and concise multiple times and that hasn't been produced that is my
concern it has nothing to do with if it's beautifification or historic preservation my concern is that we there was clear concise direction that was not executed or delivered i think I think
guys Andrew go ahead i think what we what we tried to do was not only encompass what the commission the will of the commission wanted and I think we're getting hung up on the historic preservation aspect of this we wanted to give you guys more of a broad
scope to where if there's something that happened that we would have some um some mechanism to where we could still accomplish what the commission wanted to accomplish and if we want to go back and we want to table this and we want to do the specifics with the
historic preservation and that's the will of the commission i have no issue with that we were trying to I just I just think while we're at it we might as well encompass everything that that was said this was not discussed this is not what the commission decided to move forward yet this is what's in front of
us i understand the reasoning right but if it's a complete change you know we we need to get back at it i would rather address everything at once you know this comes before us twice and then versus starting back over you know what I mean
i think it's easier to modify this to widen the scope than it is to start over with another ordinance well can we just Yeah I want to unless you can tell me that beautifification covers historic preservation well that's what I'm trying
to I want I wanted I wanted to make a quick quick comment um I happen to agree with you Commissioner Turkin i um I I've also had some some conversations and you're right we we have had specific consensus to to have certain items on
there um I appreciate the fact that it's brought in and and maybe you know I I'll tell you like I have not yet read the ordinance so I do need a chance to to read it and that's why we are having this uh agenda so I I will definitely be um maybe asking for like a a meeting with staff to talk about this or or the
city attorney whoever the relevant party is or or both um just to make sure that we're including everything that's important to discuss at the meeting but yes we definitely um did have con consensus from the commission and I and I do agree with the sentiment
yeah I can the intent was absolutely not to not follow consensus i believe that this ordinance does what the commission is trying to do which is have funds that is for a wide range of improvements to a site so this can be used for
beautifification and I absolutely do think that there is a case to be made that historic preservation could be a beautifification project it actually the idea stemmed from the Andrew house in discussions with the property owner he wanted to relocate it to the corner he
wanted to put a use in there he was talking about beautifying it into an urban plaza and so that was the kind of thought to make it even bigger so it's not just historic because this isn't a historic building but because we're making it a public space anything
attached to that public space could probably be covered with this okay no that that makes sense can we Amanda does it make it clear to use like an including but not limited to language that you can just add that language
including but not limited to so that we know that there's you know I mean kind of we're writing this also for for the future i I just want to be I want to be clear here is like it's not that we by no means were we
trying to undermine the commission i want to make that expressly clear on this meeting what we were trying to do was accomplish that's what it seemed like not to me but go ahead what what the commission wanted to accomplish with
this staff was trying to accomplish and just not put you guys in such a small box to where you had some leeway to accomplish everything Amanda wanted to accomplish with the Andrews house and that was the intent i know the old saying goes no good deed goes unpunished
and it wasn't our intent to sit here and like act try to undermine you guys we were actually trying to do the opposite of that no this is this is better this if this is why this this is fine i just needed to know I needed to know what the thought process of beautifification was
and now I understand that I got we're good we're good okay and Commissioner Tken what we'll do is we do have a presentation that we're working on that hopefully will make it explicitly clear we'll show images we'll even show some historic examples and I will I will absolutely add some
clarifying language to know that historic preservation is one of the uses where these funds can can be going towards perfect yeah I think I know I like I like that it's okay yeah this is good this is good uh Commissioner Cruz you still have your
hands up do you want to uh Yeah sorry i just I just put it back up for a second um I guess my question was once this does pass and if if and when it does pass um would that then be the under the purview of staff to decide like what you know what what what makes it or what
doesn't make it no that's a great this is 100% going to be in the purview of the commission commission let me let me let me clarify that's not No no that's not entirely true either let me clarify so we are doing this amendment ahead of the art master plan to get some of the things that the commission has asked us
to do out of the way this is not changing the process for approval yet the commission always has the right to pull this to the commission level however the way it's written right now and this is unchanged uh the art board the art advisory board approves art
projects uh and then the commission can call up anything that they would like to now my once the art master plan is finished the idea was that we will do another overhaul of the art program to call out what the art master plan uh is
telling us that we should be doing the art master plan we already went out to RFP for that um we are we have one selected and we are in negotiations now um and that will be a totally public and transparent process and they will be meeting with all the stakeholders to
develop that plan and then we want to take another look at this code to make sure that what the city commission and the public decides they want in art is reflected within the code great awesome thank you Amanda
my pleasure and you're gonna and you're gonna you're gonna you said you're gonna have a a presentation of what this could potentially contribute to yes absolutely we actually already have it done so when we republish tomorrow we'll be able to see that okay thank you
because as it was initially explained and then reading it it just seems like it's narrowed down to beautifification but it's the opposite is what I'm understanding i apologize i didn't communicate that i apologize thank you very much and and here's the thing obviously this is an ordinance so we do one reading the second reading if you
guys want to include any amendments and language in this we can include that that way uh if we want to add any sort of terms or or language in here we can do that too to make sure we get everything encompassing
great i might um I I am going to read the ordinance so I who who would I would it reach out to you Amanda or the the the city attorney you can reach out to me okay perfect thank you commissioner hey you got your hand up or vice mayor
yes yes i I want to make sure that uh you know we don't have the fiasco what we had before uh with some residents calling an an art piece uh demonic and all that kind of good stuff uh nothing has changed there we
have the final say so on that uh right Amanda you remember what we had out on Congress yes yes i absolutely do that is what started this conversation uh all those months ago you may want to you may want to just uh in 25 words the reader digest
version yes for the for the uh purpose of explaining it to our new uh uh mayor yeah art art is a difficult thing and cities do this a lot of different ways um some most some commissions do not want the kind of approving power over
art because art just by its nature does not make everyone happy and that definitely came to a head um with uh the um uh the PBS project that happened there was a piece that was approved by the art board and there was a group of
residents that was you know nothing short of outraged by that piece of art um that's part of what started uh the art master plan is so the city commission and the community as a whole can decide what types of art what types
of themes what types of things we should be using these funds for um and trying to incentivize the public dollar use of it versus the private use of it because a lot of the things that are
controversial someone's putting art on their property they're going to pick what they want the art board's going to approve it and we're going to be done that's why we are trying to incentivize the pay in Lua program so that becomes the will of the commission um and the advisory board for wider range projects
if we want to fund a fountain in Centennial Park we can do it with this money if we want to fund the relocation of a building and you know a civic space around that new building we can do that with this fund that was the thought behind incentivizing dollars versus
private art okay all right thank you all right any more questions guys before we uh move on great andrew click on uh 9A please all right so Commissioner Cruz uh you requested that we uh push this meeting
into May as far as like uh a Yes we had a a talk about um the ordinance and making sure that you know we just have everything um being included so it probably need a little more time for that to work together and
and um yeah it's it's because it's multiple things okay uh item B real quick on that Dan on the um on the ordinance with the hours can can staff or I guess
um Adam and and Sean and Stacy can can y'all provide multiple options with that in respect to staff uh offering the waiver because I've been getting a lot of feedback from the people in the construction
industry concrete guys about this coming up and I want to make sure that we have all of our options on the table because majority of these concrete companies pour in the morning and so they're hearing about this and it's not
going over well and so I want to make sure that we have a mechanism or at least an option to discuss when this does come before us if that makes sense yeah my my understanding and that that's a valid point i I and Adam shared this with me a lot of times it's the size of
the job and obviously Andrew you're going to be the subject matter expert andrew's did multiple developments in the past it's it's it's a matter of the concrete I guess setting the size of the job not um upsetting the traffic flow
during the daytime so it's something that you guys are it's definitely going to be a larger discussion than I think what we're anticipating from the diet i'm curious i mean there's a lot I just want to make sure that those options are there so that you know when we have that conversation you know we're not going
back and forth back and forth okay all right adam are you on yes okay you got you guys got any uh anything you want to say i just agree that that um you know obviously when you're doing large projects I think
Dan's right on the money that you know small projects don't warrant that type of waiver but when you're doing very large projects like foundry was one of them um doing that much concrete pores um it it's necessary to provide them alternate methods to accomplish the the
pouring and completion of the project so um these waiverss are very necessary uh to accomplish this understand that we need to balance that with impacts to the residents which is what this task is going to be um I think staff is ready for it with the attorneys and I'm
looking forward to um having that discussion on the 6 okay perfect thanks all right so Commissioner Turkin and Commissioner Kelly this is uh both your guys as far as the Yeah ordinance regarding continued service on advisory
boards and the waiver system as far as and I think the commission all made very valid great points if we have city residents that want to continue serving I think the commission should be able to authorize waivers I think the the the
the question is a how many waivers do we want to authorize and that's a discussion that um the commission particularly the sponsors i guess Commissioner Turk Commissioner Kelly you guys will have to get with
legal and obviously have a discussion as far as what you guys want to see crafted in this particular um ordinance and how we're going to move forward with a waiver system so that's basically all we're um looking for as far as like setting up maybe a uh a meeting with legal and the clerk's office to get a
little bit further direction so we present something that's going to be acceptable to what the uh what the overall body is looking for yeah I'm playing phone tag with me so okay and and I just mentioned that we combined uh Commissioner Turkin's request with
Commissioner Kelly's request so that because it's all very similar into one and it'll be all included in one ordinance if we do make changes perfect thank you so so like maybe it's just a mechanism to where the commission just has the authority
to approve that person i think yeah I think that's that that's ideal giving you guys um broader um authority to where it's at your discretion um that you guys can maybe um look at it
as a casebyase basis and yeah and provide a waiver um if there's no other questions on that one I'll uh I'll move forward uh C is the master plan to light it up light
it up right Vice Mayor we're going to light up the city this is Vice Mayor Haye and Commissioner and Commissioner Turkey yes i I I I think what we need to do is we need to get with uh Kevin and public works and I I think include the CRA also
in this discussion because some of our downtown area I think um is especially in the CRA district and obviously we would have to get with FPNL as well to whatever lighting aspects that we want to do and I know for a fact from a
lighting perspective there's a lot of really really um genius like designs that I've seen out there from other cities that we can kind of implement into our city we can I I would almost want to maybe go to Delray go to Bokeh see some of the different things that
they had done that maybe we can like implement here uh cost is always a uh an aspect and that's why I said include the CRA so yeah that's fine and I think that conversation's good because that helps you know it's no secret whatever you can
mitigate you know specifically in district two district three the east side of Boon Beach where majority of the CRA is that helps west of 95 yeah i just I one point I want to make when we're when we're moving forward with having this discussion the
intergovernmental board is actually working if there's any roads that are county or FDOT roads um in historic in the past uh they've kind of forced us to pay for lighting on those roads what the intergovernmental board um is working
trying to work with the county they have demanded that the county uh start providing lighting on their roads um without municipal um without the municipalities having to pay because we
all pay county tax just like county residents and unincorporated Palm Beach County and yet the municipality has um has always had to foot the bill uh for lighting uh roads that are in the
municipality so just as we're moving forward just we we just keep that in mind too that that's something that intergovernmental board is working um with the county to to get them to be a little bit more on the hook when we're talking about county roads
thank you Commissioner Kelly that's a that's a great point and I definitely look forward to that conversation um it's something that we spend quite a bit of money uh providing street lights on county and and state roads um so that's definitely could be a potential savings
to the city and it's definitely something that we're looking forward to having that conversation yeah absolutely yeah I'll keep you in the loop um Andrew if uh anything comes up new excellent uh Dan had to step out for a second um I going to jump in here item D the comp
plan discussion uh knowing that we're going to um actually soon we'll be bringing an award of the uh consulting contract to actually do the comp plan work um and knowing that we're going to be doing some pretty in-depth reviews
and conversations and potentially a bunch of a couple workshops potentially um I I think maybe there might be best me we go ahead and drop this item from future agenda knowing that there's already a work plan i think uh Amanda could actually give you guys a schedule
and a work plan cover that would give you guys pretty um good insight to when this would be coming back to you for discussions and stuff like that hey Andrew yes sir um I think it's important to know and
work along with Tim uh off the feedback from Monday or Tuesday's joint meeting mhm because I think those things overlap and go hand in hand okay yeah definitely for sure we'll we
can work towards that goal for sure was when we had brought up the height limitation years ago the push back I kept getting or maybe the problem I kept the the what we kept running into was well the CRA plan says X Y and Z and so
like I think this this may be a joint effort right well the comp plan is very different from the CRA plan i mean Amanda could really So the comp plan actually does
not regulate height um height is within the LDRs and the way this cycle usually works is the comp plan sets general policy and we look to the the CRA plan is actually adopted by reference within the comp plan so anything that the CRA
plan says we take it and we kind of bake it into the land development regulations so if there are like urban design urban form type of things that we want to change we can change it in the CRA plan but we could also change it directly within the LDRs but those two documents
are really different the CRA plan is like a visionary document the land development regulations have immediate impact on property rights and everything on the ground right now as does the comp plan if we change things in the comp plan they're they're effective immediately from when they're adopted
versus something like a CRA plan which is really like a goal like how we want to work towards those things over time and mostly talking about new development or redevelopment yeah right but I remember specifically
when we went through this hype thing and trying to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish we kept running into well the CRA says this CRA plan says this so I I want to make sure that we're locking step with everything so that way there's
no well this says that you know what I mean because we all need to be moving in the right direction in every in every aspect with every plan yeah and usually the way that'll work is you reinvision your CRA plan if it is not giving us
what we want um you use that document to set the new standards and then staff and the commission can use that vision to start to change the land development regulations to be consistent with that i mean there are some things so you you're essentially saying Amanda
it's it's if we put this in like a pecking order essentially there's a picture let me know if this makes sense it's comprehensive plan then CRA plan then LDRs really different things because the comprehensive plan and this is why you
said the CR from the comp plan the CR is adopted via reference but the comp plan is a set of policies so what we're going to do what I think the most effective thing to do here since we have a um we are in our
last round of like negotiations with a company who's going to come in and help us do the comprehensive plan our immediate next step after that is to do a kickoff meeting with the commission to go through what is in the comprehensive
plan and also what is not in a comprehensive plan like where some of those things should live you know we can use the CRA plan as a visioning document so we can make sure that we're doing things holistically but we in no way need to do things in the
CRA plan we can change things directly in our LDR if the commission chooses to there are just different legal risks or we're affecting property a little bit differently one is vision and we kind of slow it down and bring it into the code
as we review how we're impacting property but you do not need to do that CRA step to change what's in this city's LDRs okay perfect so I guess what I'm asking is there a necessity to carry D on the future agenda at this point being
that we all know that we're going to have multiple conversations workshops uh meetings commission meetings to discuss this item and you know to implement the vision of the commission i mean I'll I'll go with what Commissioner Cruz would like i personally would like
to see it on here not my item but I you know I like to see it don't forget about it you know helps me remind myself to do research when there's items on there or ask about it and sometimes it ties in to other things we're discussing but um you
know I'll go with what the consensus is i agree with leaving things just because I'm new and these are back things so kind of shows me the where you guys what you've been laying you know the groundwork for and and that's a great point you know um is something that we
can leave on you can remove it you know this is I intend to do a future agenda update at the second meeting and every month so we'll go through our full stack of items that are future agenda at any time we can remove it so you know we can leave it on for now and then if in the
future you guys want to remove it we can do it at that time what Andrew what do you think about instead of having it say like TBD i mean I guess you can leave TBD but what if you put like an update like pending you know this you know just so there it it says a little bit more than just so it
doesn't look like we're having a we're waiting to have a discussion that it's in progress sure sure i can uh I'll put something in the TBD or we'll we'll add some language there so that we make sure that it shows like we're actively working on it right that's a great point yeah
yeah I agree with that pending okay excellent um item E discussion regards to additional area and uh that might be available as future cemetery um I know this is TBD this is recently
added um I'm not sure when you want to speak about this i don't have any updates at the time um so I I I if we do want to um a date certain discussion um if you could give us a an idea of when and then we can be working towards make
sure that we're working on having that meeting and having the information available what am I what I'm looking for is uh something that we can have that's that's concrete to some extent more than where
we are right now in terms of locations and and negotiations and there there are several places that we're looking at as we have talked about uh Andrew and um I I think we need to get a little more
information before we try to set a date um as you know and as you heard from uh the community meeting that we have once a month at the end of the month there's a lot of concern about that but I think
as a temporary fix the Sarah Sims uh modification will suffice for right now meanwhile we really need to look seriously at the other uh area that we have discussed so um I I guess I I don't
want to set set a date now unless you have something concrete that we can u uh share with the people and I don't at this point so that is something that we'll work towards um thank you for discussing that and bringing those that information forward um we'll work with
our our real estate section Gail Moose um to start looking at actual potential sites that we could bring back to the commission and have a discussion exactly if this would meet their needs of the future cemetery okay that's that's fine with me perfect
okay yeah uh go ahead yeah I'll go ahead and take the rest of them Andrew uh item F that's just essentially standing up another uh beautifification board crafting the uh scope that we want that beautifification board to um to look at
as far as differing projects and recommendations um we don't have a um obviously that's a discussion so ideally I'd like to see that definitely happen in the month of May i think there's uh some citizens that have uh quite a bit
of interest so I know it says CDBD but I'm looking at probably the second meeting in May of having that uh presented i know with the uh um Mayor Shelton coming on we had a uh quite a bit of discussion items added to the
agenda and I tried to look at um some of these different um different items is how pertinent is to the commission's vision and that was one of the ones I thought that we could get to as far as like in May June time frame so that
that's the thought process of just trying to um get to some of these more um I guess important aspects as far as the um what the commission's looking to do um G uh obviously that you guys see it
it's already in the state legislator commissioner Haye what you brought up as far as fluoride in the water that's a it it's a larger debate than the city of Boon Beach um some people say it's good some people say it's bad so we just uh we're going to look for direction from
the state um if you have anything to add to that uh no no I don't and uh you're absolutely correct but it's something that we have to stay on top of um Andrew you want to take H sure um I know this is something that
Commissioner Haye brought up um I really at this point I'd like to know if this is something that you would like to speak on in the future um I know that um we've taken care of the odor control problem at least temporarily at the lift station 317 which is near ABC Liquor uh
in Burger King um we actually you guys approved the uh the temporary odor control system that's there it's working well we're not receiving a bunch of complaints at this point regarding lift stations and and odor control um where staff is still working towards
finalizing uh update of our CIP for utilities um I'm in the process of planning some one-on-one meetings hopefully in the end of May or first weekend meet u end of April the first week in May to talk about some of the utility projects so I just wanted to see
if this is something that you were willing to if you wanted to remove or if you wanted to still keep it on the agenda we're we're actively working on it um the odor control I think is is at this point is not a problem the lift station upgrades is definitely something that Punam is working on um we already
have a few lift stations that we know that we're going to be planning upgrades on and some of the studies where we're doing uh to do some prioritization and uh and making sure that we're spending our dollars on the proper information um
proper infrastructure um that'll come back to you in the future so just kind of wanted to see if this is something that we could drop and then revisit later uh yes uh Andrew from my standpoint uh we we can drop this one right now i've driven by the uh lift
station out there next to ABC uh that uh liquor that's where the major problem was and that uh for my uh nose that's gone away and it's uh been resolved so let's just take this one off for right
now and have that discuss i do have a question about it though okay go ahead i do have a question cuz I'm not familiar with this very much but I was out there on Tuesday and I was showing in Leisureville and then I I did have a meeting at the Breakfast Shack and the
smell from Woolbright and Congress all the way to the Breakfast Shack it was as it was like death so I don't know if these are connected um but you know I showed a client and the smell just killed it killed the deal by the way but I don't know i didn't know if that's something that's normal i've sold in
Leisureville before and I have not smelled it but when I got in my car and I drove up the Congress corridor my windows were up i could smell it all the way to Boon Beach Boulevard list 317 which kind of triggered this is not in that vicinity that um I'm not
sure what assets we have in that corridor that would cause that um if you want that's something that Punam and I can look into and get with you and do a one-on-one to kind of circle back on um to kind of what was the problem there uh if it was Yeah i just didn't know if it
was a one-time thing but if if it wasn't so long if it was just outside of Leisureville I think well maybe a lot of things died but when it carried all the way up and I got out of my car at breakfast shack and I could still I could smell it and I was like that's not right and Andrew with that with that
being said by by Mayor Shelton let's let it stay okay until we make uh sure that the that connection uh is is not what's causing the problem okay you follow me yes sir absolutely
all right so moving on guys uh the next one is discussion regarding combining city properties together to create senior affordable housing that's what Vice Mayor Haye almost feel like that's uh that's going to be a combined discussion with the CRA because I know the CRA has vastly more properties
available than um than the city does so I my recommendation was to move this discussion over to the CRA board i don't have a problem with that yeah because you're absolutely correct i don't know how the rest of the commission feels but I don't have a
problem with moving that over to CRA we could also add it to the We did talk about having another joint meeting in the near future we could always add that discussion on to that correct
okay um moving on to Jay that essentially uh Commissioner C sorry I realized I was muted um no i'm with you Commissioner Kelly commissioner Haye or sorry Vice Mayor Haye i I think maybe optimizing these joint meetings more
will make things more efficient and able to kind of streamline these initiatives and so I would I would recommend if it's okay to do this at the next joint meeting that we have
yep we can add it as a discussion topic when is the next joy meeting schedule for we said we said on Monday in the next month right yeah i want I want to say we're going to go forward with doing one
we were going to do one a month okay yeah i mean I like the format of h having it start before the CRA meeting I think is good right it doesn't add a different day for staff and for us and it allows us to in the sunshine talk
about things so that way we're not losing you know a week or even sometimes a month or two weeks to just take action on things and so yeah I think next next month you know maybe this being more consistent um
obviously we know the CRA's agenda is typically lighter than the city's agenda all the time but I would say generally it is and so you know I think this is you know uh an opportunity for us to become a lot more effective for our constituency
um all right well be patient with me because I'm still like learning to switch the switch over was a little confusing for me but I'll I'll catching patience you're doing a great job Rebecca have no got you thank you doing
a good job we're gonna tap Presley so she can run the meeting she can step up yeah but she fell in the deputy mayor what girl have you Have you met the deputy mayor yet who she was a big hit today yeah yeah uh
let me say this uh Dan uh I don't I don't have a problem with meeting once a month with CRA however I'm I don't want to just have a scheduled meeting just to have a meeting if we have something to to talk about then yes we go ahead and have that meeting uh but I don't like
the idea of just having a schedule meeting uh at this time with the CRA and we got Holly nothing to discuss you understand what I'm saying so as needed we would have that meeting well the the the mayor the mayor has a
unilateral authority to call special meetings so in the event that we on the CRA side I think or there has to be like a certain type of emergency i think now there's a consensus on initiatives but I
agree with what Commissioner Hay is saying if there's there's no like heavy lifts right like you know and and here's the thing maybe we schedule it and then staff and Tim and the CRA identify hey no we don't need this calls us up hey guys we're not doing this right but at
the same time in essence you know we're essentially we're not adding additional meetings in theory we're just kind of postponing the CRA meeting because the format from from Tuesday was joint CRA city in that time and then we picked up
the CRA meeting afterwards Yeah well we'll we'll we'll stay in communication with you guys if we feel the need that we have a major update especially with the collaborative uh direction that you guys provided us to at the last joint meeting um I know we still have to uh meet with the CRA um me
Andrew and Adam were in here we were discussing setting up the meeting with uh Tim to try to um like look at the vision that the uh commission had and the CRA board had going forward with the marina project when we have an update we'll we'll definitely request an additional meeting from you guys so
that's not an issue perfect sounds great um getting through these next two items um both uh Jay that's going to be more of a um a negotiation meeting orou because it involves um union employees
and I uh I don't know how much discussion you've had uh Commissioner Cruz as far as with uh Candace going through that but it's definitely going to have to be a um it's going to have to o involve opening and a collective bargaining agreement and I think we've had this u discussion it's not an issue
adding them to the essential personel when they respond to um some of these um different the most common event that we have in South Florida is hurricanes and that's what this is going to be applicable to so and we would just have
to add the add them to the uh essential personnel i think it's both going to be an ordinance change and I think it's also going to be a change to their uh collective bargaining agreement yeah thank you Dan i have met with staff before i do see that on March 11 wasn't
that election day it says that was Yeah that was election day i I didn't get anything um if it was an email maybe I could have missed it but I I haven't really um
this is something that I don't think we need to like I I don't I don't feel that additional discussion is needed we're going to be able to accomplish this from both a city side and also a union side to get this uh language put in that you
want to see and then we can present the language and bring it back to uh the commission i this isn't a this not not going to be a heavy lift awesome and I think the the thing that we did talk about was basically like doing it around like July budget time so
we could just budget for it for the next budget cycle and not have to make budget amendments no I I I don't I don't for p because the great thing about this uh this change any sort of double um hazmat
pay that or hazard pay that community standards incurs there's going to be a reimbursement aspect to that on the federal side with FEMA fema yeah so it's it it's really not if and when right if if and when it's gonna it's going to be budget neutral essentially because we're
going to get reimbursement h okay sounds good thank you um K discussion regarding amendments uh to the code of ordinance regarding flooding in the community um is John Kman on
yeah also I didn't I don't know how again on it says on 48 staff followed up I'm not sure who specifically followed up because I don't I don't have any unless again unless it was an that I missed but I don't that was like two
days ago commissioner Cruz this is this is Adam i I sent an email a couple a couple of days ago just following up on meeting with members of the community i think that was our last conversation uh that you wanted to have a meeting with us and some members of the public yes
okay oh sorry i didn't see that email i went through it today and I didn't see it but um I can uh I can connect with you and and I think now that um things have like cooled off a little bit I think we do have um more time and opportunity to do that okay we'll
coordinate with you thanks yes sir thanks i know that was a a lot of discussion guys so go a and close out of that Andrew and move on to the uh discussion item so 10 A um Adam you want to take this one or Amanda amanda yeah I
have this one um this is a pretty easy request this has to do with the PY Cottage District uh they were originally approved with a condition of approval that required them to participate in the city's workforce housing program um they
are now requesting that we remove that condition and replace it with the county's uh workforce housing program this project was done uh as a requirement for them to fulfill a workforce uh requirement for a different
project we did receive a restrictive covenant that deed restricts it already um so this is essentially a cleanup if the commission is comfortable with it the only thing that really changes from one program to the other is who has
monitoring power and authority so in this case it would not be the city it would be the county um and and and why would we not want to be seemed to me like we lose some control
here or what uh clarify that for me Amanda well that that why would we want to do this so that is why it was there initially um since they are doing workforce housing you know the the city staff felt that it was appropriate for
them to be participating in our program the program itself um is not it they're they're essentially the same they're actually even deeded for longer under the county program than the city program but it was on the applicant side because this is an
applicant request this is not something that staff is bringing to you the applicant has claimed that it is overly cumbersome to have two different deed restrictions with two different monitoring systems which I I generally do agree with the goals of the program
are the same um they are already deed restricted as workforce housing uh but the city will not be responsible for monitoring that okay now again the other layer to this is that this is an associated project with the CRA so there
is another level of um overview that is just not the typical city program for workforce housing so considering that the CRA still has some obligations with them and the county does you know I generally don't feel like there's any
risk in changing the language but thank you Amanda that's exactly what I was going to bring up is that the this also falls into the CRA where we actually um provided you know sold the land and have um quarterly updates and everything that that is required under
their agreement with the CRA so I think that um you know I think that we're we're still going to get updates it's just with a different hat on amanda still um just help me out here uh if we wanted to have some leverage in
ensuring that um 15% uh be minority contractors on a project uh at would we relinquish that to the county we would have no say so in terms of trying to enforce any um
restriction limitation or whatever well that isn't part of the city's workforce housing program i do believe that that is happening through the CRA now anyway okay okay okay so all right so this is basically
um in terms of the the the the program uh workforce housing okay okay that's exactly right there's there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen so the CRA the county and the city have kind of required this to be workforce housing and they they agree that it will be
workforce housing but there are a lot of different incumbrances between the different programs and there's a lot of people who want to be in charge with it and the the applicant is struggling with how how to do that um they will be present at this meeting and if there are
any specific questions um to make sure that they're still meeting the goals of the program you will have the opportunity to ask them directly as well okay and by going this route we would not be losing any opportunities as such
um as pertain to the uh workforce housing project program if you are happy with the workforce housing as presented to the CRA then no because it is already deed restricted they already have a recorded covenants through the county
gotcha okay okay thank you Amanda my pleasure any more questions as far as uh 10A is concerned no so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask the commission as a whole um we have discussion items on B
CDE E and F essentially these are all going to be discussion items for the dis on Tuesday uh night do you guys want to see anything tabled from those five items or do you want to move forward because I just want you guys to keep in mind everything that we discussed
tonight a large I think 30 to 35 minutes was spent specifically on my item 9A with the um future agenda items we went over a lot of that stuff i don't know if you guys want to go as indepth uh on 9A on Tuesday but if you want to see anything uh table just let us know now
if not we can uh move forward and end the end the um agenda review um Dan for 10 um B you and I have had discussions and I think that my and and as far as this the position goes I think
we can have those discussions when budget um when budget time comes around um as far as what the consensus of the board wants to see um but I think that it is important for the public to uh because I've spoken to a lot of the
public and obviously we've gotten some um requests that have come up through um public comment um to just kind of have a a summary of um doesn't necessarily need to be a history on um on the position and and but where we're going how they
can reach out the different departments i know I saw something on social media but you know I would say you know a lot of our residents are either not on social media or you know so I would like to kind of just get a um kind of a I
don't want to say a presentation but it can be it and it doesn't have to even happen this week if if you want to take if the chief wants to take some time to just prepare it could also be in in kind of announcements or something just kind of moving forward this is how our animal
care and control issues will be handled these are the these are the numbers i know there was a a nice flyer that the department did so um I think that I think that that would be important for the residents um to see um and something
that we can push out to the residents so that we have something as we get calls or we get concerns um but as far as the position I think that we can um we can push that off to talk about it more during the budget cycle if that's something that the the will of the board
wants to see are you guys good with tableabling 10B until the uh budget cycle comes closer i am i am but I have one comment on this issue which also would go back to some other issues on code and stuff but I think when this does roll out I think it's important
that we make it very easy for people to find this on the website because that's one of the biggest complaints I get is it's very hard to find the everyday things um you know whether that's code enforcement but I think this should be on the forefront too like maybe the biggest issues or things that people
need to use the website get moved to the front of the website easy to find and this would definitely be one of them yeah exactly thank you understood okay so Andrew you got that tableling 10B yes sir okay uh discussion providing an
update on fire station 3 i think we we need to go forward with that um so 10 D candidate filing fees and signed bonds do you guys want to go forward with this one i know uh mayor yes yes yes yes
okay quick question what's where's the status of for uh the verification for via ordinance is that going to be part of this discussion item um no i think when I
spoke to Shauna she told me that she's got clarity on that specific item these are the ones that they requested to have come back to talk about the exact features perfect perfect i just didn't see it on future agenda items so I just want to make sure that So once you guys have this discussion we'll bring back
the ordinance for first reading for everything got it perfect 10 10E I think we need to go forward with because the sooner we can get um we can get certainty on this item specifically because we need to look at building out that board completely or that committee
and then we also have a upcoming election in uh March of 2026 and I think ideally we want to get any sort of uh referendum items on that specific uh date so I I I think we need to move forward
dan just to comment on 10E really fast i think that this is a twofold discussion for the commission at least is one the immediate charter review committee and whether or not you want to establish that by resolution and two whether or not they want to establish by ordinance a recurring charter review process every
5 to 10 years etc um the city does not have that process in its code currently and a lot of other municipalities do to ensure that there is frequent or recurring review so I just want to bring that up that I think both of those should be considered when you talk about
that agreed yes yes okay um PF F uh discussion on creating a code enforcement review board i think Andrew you had some insight into this one i'll let you uh speak on it is this in in exchange for the magistrate system
i I think I think it was identifying um multiple options like I think uh I think what I brought up last time was like looking at a looking I think Del Rey does it where they have they have residents like a board review the
residential component and then the magistrate reviews the uh commercial component everybody's gone but I just I I want to get I want to get some um sorry net um what I want to get some examples from what other cities do so if
there's not a lot of like research or other information I'm okay with postponing this okay um I I would just I think what I would mention that I know there's a lot of talk about you know standards with community standards and what we're enforcing and what we're not enforcing i
can just say that in general you know we used to have actually a community code enforcement board and I would just say to you that in my opinion um when you're doing enforcement I think the code enforcement board may the community is a
little bit more lenient versus the magistrate and I and I think that's something that right now um I would stick with the magistrate in my opinion just because if we're trying to tow the line on code or make sure that we're you know making our residents accountable to
the code the magistrate would be a better vehicle in doing that temporarily and this is something that we could look at once we get a better handle on um making uh code enforcement a little bit more viable and and in the neighborhoods
yeah I think and I and I Yeah and I think um I think we need more code i think I think code enforcement is a uh conversation in of its own self yeah well it goes back to changing the very
old ordinances right and the condition of um housing that has changed you know whether the ordinance is 30 years old well we didn't have eight people living in a two-bedroom 30 years ago and six cars parked on sidewalks and blocking our first responders you know we're dealing with that and two out of you
know the four districts so um I think this is a whole animal but on its own but I think once we start if we start putting citizens in some of these positions I mean people are afraid now to report because you can't remain anonymous and you know friendships get made and we saw what happened in Delray
when some of the code people were literally getting paid off in a district to not um you know write up the violations so I I do have kind of an issue with that and I feel like we already already have a hard time recruiting for boards and there's a lot of um risk in in this this part of this
job because especially in our district Commissioner Turkin is code and crime connect um and so I think it's it's a little bit of a scary situation compared to Well maybe we maybe we amend this item to be more of a discussion of the actual ordinances and because that
ordinance is included in the board and then we can have more of a broader conversation ordinances and funding mechanisms and making the east side much cleaner that's what we need okay i I I'm actually what
I'm doing this should actually be a workshop the weekends and code during the evenings and we need on the weekend yeah how about how about scratch the review board let's do discussion on creating largest code enforcement
initiative this city's ever seen and cleaning up you know clean clean I mean the east side of Buon Beach has more nonhoa resident neighborhoods than the west side and I just sure you know and we and I know this from meeting with
some neighboring city code um departments since I've been in office and you know they're struggling with some of the same problems and they're revisiting some of their ways of staff laughing and so even Del Rey I spoke to the code um official there and she said they're going to start proposing that um
they have 15 people out in the day and not that's not working they're they're 8 to 5 so they're going to start seeing if they can work four 10 hour days um three days off on the weekends but they'll rotate weekends because we know the most problems happen 5:00 on and on the weekends and they said they would have
people come in later you know than 8 during the week so that they would go until 10 o'clock right um and that and that was a proven um success rate in Fort Lauderdale fort Lauderdale where the new code lady in Del Rey was just recruited from and she was down there 20 years so um you know we have to start
really looking at the pro you know what's going on because I mean I can tell you from living in this district for 20 years and I've seen it through the sober homes and everything and we got rid of that but you know Pelican Pelican is a it's a drug house and it's got mold on the outside and there's no
floors i mean look Yeah i mean it's trash seven days a week it's a junkyard and we have to start with these it's three blocks you know it's it's mind-blowing to me so let's So let's kick the review board but let's do discussion creating code
enforcement overall well let can commissioner or uh Vice Mayor Haye had his hand up i just want to give him an opportunity to uh to speak no I I I just feel that uh you bring in another layer of
um management discussion or whatever when you start bringing citizen in and I know a lot of them are influenced by different things and uh I would like to leave it in the hand of the magistrate
because uh that person has no vested interest except to enforce uh the ordinances and laws of the city so but uh I I know for a fact of some who right now would probably jump on
that board and be influenced by outside uh influences and I don't want to see that happen to our city so I I I I don't like that idea at all what about switching uh board item Vice Mayor Haye
to code overhaul so why don't we actually do a workshop i think actually what I would do is if we Yeah Andrew that yeah you're you're I think this is such a large discussion and obviously there's a lot of interest in it we and us as staff we're definitely going to
need consensus from the board like whether and and it looks like there's some um differing opinions and I think a workshop would probably be in the best interest of everyone why don't we leave this item on the agenda and then at the meeting on Tuesday we can actually discuss setting up a workshop and then
what we can do is work with Candace and Adam to come up with kind of a work plan with some uh a schedule or some something that kind of lays out a work plan and then we can bring it back to the workshop and have a full discussion engage the community and start that
process yeah because I guarantee I mean put this out and we blast this on social media the water bill and market this code enforcement workshop and get resident feedback on what they think is silly or what the city's got an opportunity with in enforcing i think
it'll be the most well attended workshop the city's ever seen excellent i think it's also good to do comparisons with other municipalities that have had this challenge because I have a lot of questions i mean you know even on Serest I drive by a house there's like five
trailers out in front of it and I'm like is that allowed so I I think there's a lot of questions of what what has probably been looked the other way for a long time because again 30 years ago no one had five trailers on our major corridor that from
the downtown to Bethesda hospital i mean exactly there's a lot of review and I also don't know how code really works do they take a territory and drive it every day because if they're driving district 4 you know they're just probably driving and seeing a lot of things but over here that person would be very overworked
trying to keep up with the same repeat offenders and people not understanding when bulk is or you know what happens here on the weekends okay um what I'll do is I'll amend that item to um kind of u with the discussion that we had here
tonight um okay kind of to direct that so that um setting a dis a date certain for a workshop with a work plan with kind of what we discussed perfect okay all right i think we uh we got a pretty good idea unless uh anyone
else has uh anything further to add we went for an hour and 50 minutes in the agenda review this is probably one of our longer ones um um yeah real quick Dan I just got one thing so last commission meeting I think or maybe the one before that we um we approved to get
the roads done uh throughout the district when is that coming back when is that are you saying about the uh the monetary amount for the paving no he's looking so what we're working on right now Commissioner Turkin is we're getting the quotes uh tightened up on each of
those areas and as soon as we have each individual quote um ready we'll be bringing them back so I would say within the next two to three meetings you should start seeing paving items being brought back to you with the actual approval with the task order and the budget amendment to include the the
funding perfect that's all I needed thank you and uh just so you know Southeast Third Street I think is supposed to start next week awesome look at that vice hey you and I have the same background
oh look at you guys you guys are in the mountain you can see that you guys are both on vacation together that's I can't I can't take it i can't take it that's what we're going to look like in Salt Lake November oh yeah you guys are
going to You guys are going to Utah hey there you go all right anybody else got anything too far i'm not going it's too far it's too cold it's gonna be cold how about them
gator thanks everybody all right good night all right have a good night everyone bye good night bye bye