>> YES. >> YES, FOR SURE, RIGHT. YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS YOU AND NOT THE CITY. THAT'S CORRUPT MISUSE. WHAT IF YOU HAD A PARKING PLACARD AND YOU FORGOT TO PUT IT UP? II LIKE TO THROW A WRENCH IN THINGS. I THINK IF I WERE DOING THIS ANALYSIS -- >> I HAVE A PASSION. >> I WOULD SAY YOU COULD DO THAT. IF YOU HAD THE PLACARD AND FORGOT TO PUT IT UP, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET YOUR TICKET VOIDED. I WOULD SAY PERSONALLY I WOULD JUST PAY THE TICKET BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT A PARKING TICKET WITH MY NAME ON IT THAT HAD VOID WRITTEN ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT. THAT'S MY ANALYSIS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. SO THINK OF IT IN THOSE TERMS AGAIN. WHAT IF IT SHOWED UP ON THE NEWS? DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT TO HAPPEN? YOU GET THROUGH ONE, TWO, THREE BUT MAYBE NOT FOUR OF THE FOUR-STEP PROCESS. YES, HE HAS IMPROPERLY USED HIS AUTHORITY IN A WAY THAT DID NOT BENEFIT THE CITY. OKAY. CORRUPT MISUSE OF OFFICIAL POSITION. EVERY EMPLOYEE IN A CITY DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO SIT FOR ANNUAL CERTIFICATION EXAMINATION PAID FOR BY THE CITY, TAKEN WHILE THEY ARE ON CITY TIME. HALF THE EMPLOYEES TAKE THE EXAM ON MONDAY AND HALF OF THEM TAKE IT ON FRIDAY. A TEST TAKER FROM MONDAY'S SITTING MAKES COPIES AND DISTRIBUTES THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO HIS FRIDAY FELLOW TEST TAKERS. HAS THIS EMPLOYEE VIOLATED THE CORRUPT MISUSE OF OFFICIAL POSITION? WHAT'S THE PROCESS HERE? >> WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I WILL TELL YOU I WAS DOING THIS TRAINING SOMEWHERE AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE RAISED THEIR HAND AND SAID, MA'AM, THAT'S JUST GOOD TEAMWORK. [LAUGHTER] AND I SAID, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME REMEDIAL TRAINING. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WE'RE GOING THROUGH CORRUPT MISUSE. DOES THIS BENEFIT THE CITY IN IN WAY? IS HE USING HIS POSITION? OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. YOU THINK OF THE IMPORTANCE OF CERTIFICATIONS. WHILE THERE MAY BE NO FINANCIAL COMPONENT ATTACHED TO THIS, IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MANY STEPS TO GET TO A FINANCIAL COMPONENT REALLY. THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT COULD BE IN A LAWSUIT. IT COULD BE IN SOMEBODY KEEPING THEIR JOB. THERE'S A MILLION WAYS THIS TURNS FINANCIAL. SO YES, THE EMPLOYEE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT EASILY GETS TO FINANCIAL. THE EMPLOYEE IMPROPERLY USED HIS POSITION TO GIVE A SPECIAL BENEFIT TO HIS CO-WORKERS AND THAT WAS NOT IN ANY WAY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. I DEFINITELY WANT MY LIFEGUARDS TO PASS THEIR ANNUAL CERTIFICATIONS PERSONALLY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, SO THIS IS JUST OUR WAY OF TALKING ABOUT SECOND JOBS. ANYBODY THAT HAS A JOB OUTSIDE OF THEIR CITY EMPLOYMENT. THE CODE REGULATES SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTS THAT YOU MAY ENTER INTO IN YOUR PRIVATE CAPACITY BECAUSE OF YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT OR POSITION. SO GENERALLY, YOU, YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYER OR YOUR OUTSIDE BUSINESS, CANNOT PROVIDE ANY GOODS OR SERVICES FOR PAYMENT TO YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER OR YOUR PUBLIC INSTITUTION. SO WHILE YOU ALL MAY HAVE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES, OUTSIDE JOBS, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THOSE TO THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. HOWEVER, WHEN WE TAKE AWAY, WE GIVE BACK LIKE ANY GOOD LAW. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE. SO THE EXCEPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IF YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYER IS ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. SO THAT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF -- I WON'T GET INTO EXAMPLE ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. IF IT IS A SEALED BID, LOW-BID CONTRACT, YOU CAN BID ON THAT AS LONG AS THE SEALED BID, LOW-BID CONTRACT PROVISIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH. EMERGENCY PURCHASES OR SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE "H" WORD DURING THE "H" SEASON, BUT IN THAT SITUATION, IF A TREE WAS DOWN ON THE ROAD AND YOU WERE THE ONLY EXCAVATING COMPANY THAT THE CITY COULD GET THEIR HANDS ON OR IF YOU HAD A BUNCH OF WATER OR FOOD THE CITY NEEDED, YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT. UNDER THE EMERGENCY PURCHASES OR SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, THAT'S THE SITUATION. AND THERE'S NO PRICE LIMIT ON THAT. IF THE CONTRACTS OR GOODS ARE VALUED AT LESS THAN $500 PER YEAR, IF YOU ARE A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE AND OBTAIN A WAIVER -- THAT IS THE MOST COMMON TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ANALYSIS. AND THEN EXTRA DUTY FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THAT'S AN EXCEPTION SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT IF YOU'RE POLICE AND FIRE AND YOU'RE WORKING DETAILS. PART-TIME OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT WAIVER, DO I NEED ONE? IS MY POTENTIAL EMPLOYER A VENDOR OF MY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYER? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY DISCLOSES TOO MUCH ABOUT ME, BUT MY DREAM JOB WAS ALWAYS UNTIL ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN I WAS AT ONE OF THESE TRAININGS -- I ALWAYS SAID I'M GOING TO GET A JOB AT HOME DEPOT AND WORK FOR A FEW HOURS ON THE WEEKEND AND GET THE DISCOUNT. THAT WAS MY DREAM. DID YOU GUYS KNOW HOME DEPOT DOESN'T GIVE A DISCOUNT? SHATTERED. [LAUGHTER] SO I HEARD THEY HAVE PET INSURANCE, THOUGH, SO THEY ARE BACK UP THERE MAYBE. HOME DEPOT HAS A CONTRACT WITH EVERY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY IN THE COUNTY BUT I WORK FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY SO I CAN PROMISE YOU HOME DEPOT HAS A CONTRACT WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY. IF I WANT TO GO GET A JOB AT HOME DEPOT, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IF MY POTENTIAL PART-TIME EMPLOYER IS A VENDOR -- THE ANSWER HERE IS YES -- THEN I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST WAIVER. IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR, I CAN JUST ACCEPT THAT JOB AND GO FORTH. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY FURTHER STEPS. SINCE THEY ARE A VENDOR, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY IN AWARDING THE CONTRACT TO HOME DEPOT. LIKE FOR ME, I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO -- I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT. I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO CONTRACTS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING FINANCIAL, ANY AWARDS, ANY CHOOSING OF VENDORS. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. FOR ME, THIS IS AN EASY ANSWER. I CAN SAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACT. I CAN GET MY PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT WAIVER. I CAN FILE IT AND I CAN GO GET MY JOB. IF I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT, IF I DO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CONTRACT, THE AWARDING OF THE CONTRACT, THE NUMBERS IN THE CONTRACT, THE GOODS IN THE CONTRACT IN ANY WAY, THIS IS AN UNAVOIDABLE CONFLICT AND I CAN'T WAIVE IT SO I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT JOB IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THE REASONING HERE IS WHAT IF I DID HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT AND I WORK FOR SOME DEPARTMENT THAT ORDERS LIGHT BULBS AND I GO TO WORK IN HOME DEPOT IN THE LIGHT BULB DEPARTMENT AND I GET COMMISSION OR GET A RAISE BECAUSE OF IT. IT IS ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THINGS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. THE BIG QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT? IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE ANALYSIS BUT IT MAY BE AN UNWAIVABLE CONFLICT. SO GET THE WAIVER. SIGN IT, HAVE IT SIGNED BY YOUR SUPERVISOR. GET US A COPY. GET A COPY TO YOUR PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. >> QUESTION. >> YES. GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. ONE MORE. NUMBER THREE THERE, IT SAYS THIS PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH GOVERNMENT JOB. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT SAYS THIS WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOUR SUPERVISOR. AS A COUNCILMAN OR COMMISSIONER, I DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISOR. >> YOU GUYS ARE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT -- YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DON'T. AND YOUR JOB IS TO SHOW UP AT YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT'S SLIGHTLY -- IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT -- PROBABLY A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS FOR YOU. THIS WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT YOU CAN'T CALL IN SICK TO YOUR CITY JOB AND GO WORK AT YOUR SECOND JOB. YOU CAN'T -- YOU HAVE TO STAY WITHIN PARAMETERS. I THINK I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES TO THE NORTH THAT HAVE VERY LIMITED OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT ALLOWANCES. SO EVEN IF THEY COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THIS INTERNALLY THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK FOR CERTAIN OUTSIDE AGENCIES AT CERTAIN TIMES WITHIN CERTAIN HOURS OF THEIR SHIFT. SO THOSE ARE MORE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. YOURS IS GOING TO BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ANALYSIS. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO APPLY ONLY TO EMPLOYEES. LIKE IT WOULD APPLY TO ME. BUT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU ARE GOING TO BE TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. OKAY? JUST CALL ME. I'LL APPROVE IT. [LAUGHTER] >> WILL DO. >> WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE IF I APPROVE IT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. CITY EMPLOYEE WOULD LIKE TO START A PART-TIME BUSINESS WHERE SHE PERFORMS I.T. CONSULTING WORK OUTSIDE OF WORK HOURS. SHE'S EMPLOYED FULL-TIME BY THE CITY IN THE I.T. DEPARTMENT AND SHE LEARNED EVERYTHING SHE NEEDED TO KNOW ON THE JOB, EVEY BIT OF HER TRAINING, EVERY BIT OF HER KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM WORKING AT THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. MAY SHE PERFORM NON-I.T. WORK IN NON-WORK HOURS WHEN SHE IS A CITY EMPLOYEE IN THE I.T. DEPARTMENT? YEAH? >> HOPE SO. >> I MEAN YEAH, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> SURE. AS LONG AS SHE DOES NOT WHAT? WORK FOR THE CITY. SHE CANNOT PROVIDE WORK DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. AND WHEN WE SAY INDIRECTLY, WE MEAN SHE CAN'T DO CONTRACT WORK FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY. EVEN IF SHE'S WORKING IN THAT SECONDARY CAPACITY, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INDIRECT CONTRACT AND THAT STILL WOULD BE A VIOLATION. SO YOU CAN'T B BACK DOOR THIS. YOU CANNOT DO WORK FOR THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY, SHE ALSO CANNOT USE CITY RESOURCES TO COMPLETE THE WORK. SHE ALSO THINKS SHE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM IDENTIFYING TO OR ALLUDING TO HER POSITION WITH THE CITY, WEARING HER WORK SHIRT WITH THE CITY LOGO ON IT, DRIVING A CITY VEHICLE WHILE SOLICITING POTENTIAL CLIENTS. IS SHE CORRECT ABOUT ALL THIS? COMMISSIONER HAY, WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? >> I MEAN IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT SHE SHOULDN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IT SHOULD BE. BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT WE HAD A CASE WHERE THE PERSON SOLICITED WHILE WORKING IN A CITY UNIFORM, DRIVING A CITY VEHICLE, PRINTED A CONTRACT ON A CITY COMPUTER, BROUGHT THAT CONTRACT TO A CITY FACILITY WHILE ON THE JOB, HAD THE PERSON SIGN IT WITH A CITY PEN, ON CITY PAPER, ALL WHILE WORKING. >> REALLY? >> REALLY. SO WE PUT THIS IN HERE JUST TO BE SAFE, JUST IN CASE IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH. YOU CANNOT DO THESE THINGS. YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT COMPLETELY SEPARATE OR YOUR OUTSIDE BUSINESS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT WORK. IT SEEMS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, LIKE A NO-BRAINER, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY CHANCES BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED. YES, OF COURSE, SHE'S CORRECT. >> YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT ALL. >> WELL, YES. YES, THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE MISUSE OF OFFICE SECTION. EVERYBODY MAKE PERFECT SENSE? OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THIS? THE CHILD OF A CITY EMPLOYEE SOLELY OWNS A PRESSURE CLEANING SERVICE. THE CITY EMPLOYEE DOES NOT WORK FOR THE BUSINESS AND IS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE BUSINESS IN ANY WAY. MAY THE CHILD OF THE CITY EMPLOYEE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO PROVIDE PRESSURE WASHING FOR THE CITY UNDER THE CODE OF ETHICS? IT SEEMS LIKE YES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT. UNDER THE DEFINITION, A BUSINESS OF FAMILY OR HOUSEHOLD MEMBER, OR A SON, IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE EMPLOYEE. SO YOUR CHILD'S BUSINESS WILL BE CONSIDERED YOUR BUSINESS WITH RESPECT TO CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS. AND IT SEEMS -- THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THE UMBRELLA MAY SEEM A LITTLE FAR REACHING. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT NOW AGAIN THE SMALLER JURISDICTIONS, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST BE ABLE TO HIRE THEIR CHILDREN AND HAVE NOBODY ELSE WORKING FOR THE TOWN, RIGHT? SO IN THIS SITUATION, YOUR CHILD'S BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED YOURS FOR PURPOSES OF THE CODE. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO, YOU MAY NOT HIRE THAT CHILD. EXCEPT FOR IF ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS APPLY, IT'S ONCE AGAIN FINE. SO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYER IS ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY, SEALED BID LOW BID, EMERGENCY, SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT OKAY IN THIS SITUATION. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. GIFT LAW. WHAT IS A GIFT? SO A GIFT IS A GIFT IS A GIFT IS A GIFT. ANYBODY HAVE A BIRTHDAY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH? NO? REALLY? TWO MONTHS? ALL RIGHT. WHAT DID YOU GET? WHAT WAS YOUR BEST GIFT? [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] >> BITE YOUR TONGUE. DID YOU DECLARE THAT GIFT? [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS FROM YOUR FAMILY. DOES THAT MATTER? WE JUST SAID IT'S A GIFT LIKE, YOU KNOW -- [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS? YOU'RE LUCKY, IT IS AN EXCEPTION. BUT YES. SO WE WILL TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE TO DECLARE GIFTS, WE TELL YOU VERY BROAD -- WE MAKE A VERY BROAD DEMAND AND WINNOW IT DOWN SO YOU ONLY HAVE TO DECLARE CERTAIN GIFTS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY IS UNDER THE GIFT LAW SECTION AND THE CODE IN GENERAL, THERE ARE ABSOLUTE PROHIBITIONS, NO KICK BACKS OR BRIBES AND NO TIPS WITH ONE SINGLE EXCEPTION WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT. SO WHEN THE CODE FIRST CAME INTO EFFECT, NO TIPS WAS ACROSS THE BOARD, NO TIPS. BUT ANY GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYEE WHO WORKED FOR A SERVICE-RELATED INDUSTRY, ALL OF A SUDDEN, COULD NO LONGER ACCEPT A TIP. SO WE HAD SERVERS FOR GOLF COURSES OR, YOU KNOW, TIP-RELATED FIELDS THAT, ALL OF A SUDDEN, COULDN'T GET TIPS. AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WORK THERE ANY MORE, UNDERSTANDABLY, BECAUSE TIPS ARE WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO A LIVING WAGE. SO THEY QUICKLY DID AN ADVISORY OPINION THAT NOW SAYS THAT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN SERVICE-RELATED JOBS WHO ARE HIRED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE TIPS AS A PORTION OF THEIR COMPENSATION AND WHERE THAT IS STANDARD COMPENSATION WITHIN THAT OCCUPATION, THEN THEY MAY STILL RECEIVE TIPS. AND ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY IS A TIP CAN BE VERY -- IT HAS A VERY BROAD DEFINITION. WE TEND TO THINK OF THAT IS WE TIP OUR SERVERS, RIGHT. BUT WHAT ARE WE TIPPING THAT SERVER FOR, GENERALLY? WHAT ARE WE TIPPING THEM FOR? >> SERVICE. >> JUST GENERALLY, YOU'RE A GREAT SERVER ALL THE TIME OR TIPPING THEM FOR YOUR SPECIFIC SERVICE? YOUR SPECIFIC SERVICE, RIGHT? SO YOU ARE TIPPING THEM FOR A JOB THEY DID ON THAT SPECIFIC DATE AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME. SO REMEMBER THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CODE. BECAUSE ONLY IN SERVICE-RELATED INDUSTRIES ARE TIPS GOING TO BE OKAY. BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOUR CROISSANT AND YOUR CUP OF COFFEE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. OKAY. SO GIFT LAW, THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON SOLICITING OR ACCEPTING OVER $100 ANNUALLY IN THE AGGREGATE FROM ANY VENDOR, ANY BIDDER OR PROPOSER, ANY LOBBYIST OR ANY PRINCIPAL OR EMPLOYER OF A LOBBYIST. SO THAT $100 ONLY APPLIES TO THESE FOUR SECTIONS OF GIFT GIVERS. SO, MAYOR PENSERGA, LET'S SAY YOU ARE AT THAT STARBUCKS AND SOMEBODY, A CITIZEN -- I TOLD YOU I'M FROM SEATTLE. LET'S JUST SAY I SEE YOU AT THE STARBUCKS AND I SAY, MAYOR PENSERGA -- I LIKE TO SAY SEAHAWKS TICKETS EVEN IF THEY ARE PLAYING MIAMI. I HAVE SEAHAWKS TICKETS THIS WEEKEND AND I CAN'T GO. YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SEAHAWKS BECAUSE WHO WOULDN'T. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD TICKETS RIGHT AT THE 50-YARD LINE. THEY ARE REALLY LOW. THEY WERE $300 APIECE. CAN YOU ACCEPT THOSE TICKETS FROM ME? >> WHY NOT? >> IT'S OVER $100. >> AM I A VENDOR? >> NO. >> AM I A BIDDER? AM I A LOBBYIST? I'M JUST ME, RHONDA GEIGER. I AM I A PRINCIPAL OR EMPLOYER? $600 OF TICKETS, CAN I ACCEPT IT? >> IN THEORY BUT I WOULDN'T STILL. >> I GET THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT. BUT UNDER THE CODE, YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TO THE GAME AND SEE THE SEAHAWKS. YOU KNOW SMITH IS LOOKING GOOD. >> IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN OF THOSE PEOPLE, YEAH, I SUPPOSE YES. >> YEAH, YOU COULD, RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IF YOU ACCEPT THOSE? >> REPORT. >> REPORT IT WHY? >> TRANSPARENCY. [INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S FAIR, TOO. AS LONG AS YOU REPORT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO PAY DOUBLE FOR SEAHAWKS TICKETS WITHOUT A DOUBT, NO QUESTION. [LAUGHTER] WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT THAT? >> WE'LL LET THAT SLIDE. >> YOU SEE HERE WHERE WE GET THAT SIDES AND PEOPLE GET THAT $100 IN THEIR HEAD AND I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT. YOU REALLY COULD, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE IT. IT'S NOT JUST YOU. THAT APPLIES TO EVERY EMPLOYEE, THAT APPLIES TO ANYBODY. THERE IS SHOCKINGLY NO UPPER LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF GIFT YOU CAN ACCEPT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FROM THIS PROHIBITED SECTION. YOU HAVE TO DECLARE THAT ONCE YOU ACCEPT THAT GIFT. MAKE PERFECT SENSE? >> MAYOR: CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THE LOBBYIST? >> SURE. >> MAYOR: DO THEY HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED LOBBYIST? >> THEY HAVE TO BE ENGAGING IN LOBBYIST-RELATED ACTIVITY. >> MAYOR: ANYBODY IN THAT ACTIVITY REGARDLESS OF THE STATUS. >> TYPICALLY, THEY SHOULD BE REGISTERED LOBBYISTS BUT WE DO HAVE ENGAGED IN LOBBYIST ACTIVITIES AND A DEFINITION OF THAT. SO I DON'T THINK JUST NOT REGISTERING IS GOING TO GET PAST THAT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT A BLANKET ON. TYPICALLY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE REGISTERED IS WHAT I'LL SAY. >> MAYOR: OKAY. >> AGAIN, IT'S LOBBYING YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER. IF THEY ARE NOT LOBBYING BOYNTON BEACH. THEY COULD BE A LOBBYIST BUT NOT LOBBYING BOYNTON BEACH, IT'S NOT GOING TO QUALIFY. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S THE DIFFERENT SECTION. THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON SOLICITING ANY GIFT FROM. THIS IS NOT SOLICITING OR ACCEPTING. THIS IS SOLICITING A GIFT FROM ANY VENDOR, ANY BIDDER, ANY LOBBYIST OR ANYBODY WHO EMPLOYS A LOBBYIST. WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS? WE DON'T WANT YOU SAYING, HEY, MY KID WOULD REALLY LOVE TO GO TO THE SEAHAWKS GAME THIS WEEKEND AND ANY CHANCE YOU COULD GET ME A COUPLE OF TICKETS? AND THEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO THAT OR THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR BID OR THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THEIR ISSUE ON THE SIDE THAT THEY WANT YOU TO VOTE. SO NO SOLICITING, NO MATTER WHO IT'S FOR IN THIS SECTION. CAN'T BE FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT OR THE PERSONAL BEST OF ANOTHER OFFICIAL, EMPLOYEE, RELATIVE OR HOUSEHOLD MEMBER. OKAY? AND THEN STATE REPORTERS, THIS IS YOU GUYS, OF COURSE. NOT ME. NOT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE. BUT YOU GUYS. WHILE THE PROHIBITION AGAINST TAKING GIFTS FROM CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS OR ENTITIES APPLIES TO STATE REPORTING OFFICIALS, THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. IF STATE LAW REQUIRES A GIFT TO BE REPORTED ON A STATE OF FLORIDA QUARTERLY GIFT FORM, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO SEND A COPY TO US WITHIN 10 DAYS OF FILING THAT FORM. YES, OKAY. THAT'S ONE THING. IT'S GREAT WHEN GIFT FORMS GET FILED, BUT THEY HAVE TO ALSO BE FILED WUTS. THAT'S KIND OF A COMMON OVERSIGHT. AND WE DO GO THROUGH THE GIFT FORMS AND MAKE SURE -- THE NICE THING ABOUT BEING A STATE REPORTER IS IF YOU HAVE ACCIDENTALLY ACCEPTED A GIFT FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS A BIDDER, VENDOR, A LOBBYIST OR EMPLOYEES A LOBBYIST, THE CURE PERIOD IS 90 DAYS SO WE'RE GOING TO CATCH IT FOR YOU. MAKE SURE YOU GET US THOSE FORMS ON TIME. WEEWE GO THROUGH THOSE WITH A PRETTY CLOSE EYE. >> MAYOR: RHONDA, CAN I ASK YOU -- I MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD. IF I AM, LET ME KNOW. WHAT ABOUT EVENTS? THEY COMP YOUR TICKETS TO EVENTS OR THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I SEE HALF THE COUNTY THERE. >> YOU'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE STARTED DOING IN PALM BEACH COUNTY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH DOES IT. BUT WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS STARTED DOING IS THEY WRITE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TICKETS INTO THE CONTRACT. SO WHEN THE PEOPLE GET TICKETS, THEY ARE COMING FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. THEY ARE NOT COMING FROM THE VENDOR. >> MAYOR: YOU MEAN THE COUNTY GETS THEM FROM SOME ORGANIZATION AS PART OF SOME CONTRACT? >> EXACTLY. SO IT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. IT'S PART OF THE EXCHANGE OF SERVICES. IT'S PART OF THE HANDSHAKE. SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE GOES TO THAT, IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE VENDOR. IT COMES FROM THEIR EMPLOYER, SO IT MAY STILL BE A REPORTABLE GIFT, BUT IT'S NOT A PROHIBITED GIFT. >> MAYOR: GOT IT. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> MAYOR: YES. >> I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO LET'S SAY THERE WAS A GROUP, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS INVITES YOU TO AN EVENT AND THEY COMP YOUR TICKETS. IN THAT SITUATION, BUT IT'S NOT -- >> ARE THEY A VENDOR? >> MAYOR: NO, THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR. LET'S JUST SAY SOME NON-PROFIT. >> YEAH, IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR -- >> MAYOR: DOING GOOD THING IN THE CITY. >> IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR -- THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC VALUATION REQUIREMENTS. IT IS FACE VALUE OF THE TICKET, IF THERE'S NO FACE VALUE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NON-PROFIT, WE CAN BACK OUT SOME COSTS. THERE'S A FORMULA. BUT IF IT'S NOT A VENDOR BIDDER, IF IT'S NOT A PROHIBITED ENTITY, THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO SEE IF IT'S OVER $100 AND DECLARE IT. >> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> SURE. OTHERWISE IF IT IS OVER $100 AND THEY ARE A VENDOR, IT IS PROHIBITED SO YOU CAN'T ACCEPT IT. SO ANYTHING OVER $100 ANNUALLY IN THE AGGREGATE FROM THE PROHIBITED FORM, YOU COULDN'T ACCEPT IT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THERE'S A FEW LITTLE THINGS. SO STATE REPORTING INDIVIDUALS, HERE'S YOUR FORM. SO AS WE SAID, QUARTERLY REPORTING FOR YOU ALL ON THE FORM. SO HERE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, NON-STATE REPORTERS, LOCAL REPORTERS, THIS IS US. THE NON-STATE REPORTERS IN THE ROOM, THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME REQUIREMENTS BUT, AS WE SAID, ANY GIFTS VALUED, YOU GUYS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A CERTAIN COMPONENT OF THE STATE STATUTE WHEREAS WE ONLY COMPLY WITH THE PALM BEACH COUNTY CODE OF ETHICS. SO HERE ANY GIFTS VALUED IN ZPES OF $100 PER YEAR GIVEN BY ANYONE TO A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE MUST BE REPORTED ON AN AGE BASIS TO THE PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSION ON ETHICS. CITY MANAGER DUGGER DIDN'T REPORT HIS TRIP TO MEXICO, SO WE HOPE IT FITS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT. THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS THIS IS ANNUALLY -- IF IT'S OVER 100, IT'S REPORTABLE. IF IT'S UNDER 100, IT'S NOT REPORTABLE. AS FAR AS NON-STATE REPORTERS, WE ONLY REPORT ONE TIME PER YEAR. SO WHEN YOU THINK OF THAT 90-DAY CURE PERIOD, IF YOU ARE REPORTING 11 MONTHS AFTER YOU ACCEPTED THE GIFT AND IT WAS A PROHIBITED ENTITY OR IT WAS SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCEPTED, THE CURE PERIOD HAS PASSED. SO FEEL FREE, ANYBODY WHO IS A NON-STATE REPORTER, TO FILE YOUR FORM WHENEVER YOU ACCEPT THE GIFT. THAT WILL GET YOU WITHIN THAT CURE PERIOD AND GET YOU WITHIN THAT WINDOW. HERE'S EXCEPTIONS. GIFTS FROM, THANK GOODNESS, RELATIVES OR MEMBERS OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE GIFT FORMS WE WOULD GET? PERSONAL GIFTS IF GIVEN BOY A PERSONAL FRIEND OR CO-WORKER AND THE MOTIVATION OF THAT GIFT IS FRIENDSHIP OR A WORK RELATIONSHIP AND IT'S NOT TO GET TO WORK FROM HOME. IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE AN AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP, THEN THAT'S FINE. AWARDS FOR CIVIC OR PROFESSIONAL ACHIEVEMENT, ADVERTISING MATERIALS, EVEN IF FROM VENDORS. GIFTS SOLICITED ON BEHALF OF YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. ANY INHERITANCE REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS FROM IS NOT REPORTABLE. LAWFUL POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS ARE NOT REPORTABLE. THE ACCEPTING OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY. REGISTRATION FEES AND OTHER COSTS FOR EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES WHERE THE ATTENDANCE IS FOR GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES AND IS RELATED TO YOUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN YOUR JOB. SO HERE'S OUR FORM. IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. NON-STATE REPORTERS, IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT A GIFT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILE A FORM. WE DON'T WANT BLANK FORMS. BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO FILE MORE THAN ONE. >> MAYOR: SO THAT LAST BIT. >> YEAH. >> MAYOR: JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE VERY LAST ON THE LIST. FOR EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES -- >> THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED GIFTS. EVEN IF YOU ARE -- EVEN IF BOYNTON BEACH IS SENDING YOU SOMEWHERE TO TRAVEL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT THAT AS A GIFT. >> MAYOR: OKAY. >> AS LONG AS IT'S FOR WORK-RELATED PURPOSES. >> MAYOR: YEAH. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO NEW MEXICO WITH YOUR FAMILY AND THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH PAYS FOR IT, THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. >> MAYOR: OKAY. THANKS. >> NOT THAT THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH DID. I'M NOT MAKING THAT ASSERTION. BE CAREFUL HERE OF REGIFTING. SO, MAYOR PENSERGA, LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID ACCEPT THE SEAHAWKS TICKETS AND AFTER THE FACT YOU SAID TO YOURSELF I HAVE A FEELING RHONDA GEIGER HAS AN OUTSIDE BUSINESS AND SHE'S A VENDOR OF THE CITY. NOW WHAT DO I DO? THEN YOU SAY I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE THEM TO VICE MAYOR KELLEY. [LAUGHTER] >> MAYOR: SHE'S NOT A SEAHAWKS FAN. [LAUGHTER] >> HOW DARE YOU. >> MY MOTHER IS, DON'T WORRY. IT'S STILL IN THE FAMILY. >> OKAY. BUT LET'S JUST SAY SHE WANTED TO GO. SHE WANTED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, HER BFF TO THE SEAHAWKS GAME. I MEAN WHY WOULDN'T YOU? YOU SAY YOU WANT TO GET THESE OFF MY HANDS. HAVE YOU FIXED IT BY GIVING THEM TO HER? >> MAYOR: I'M GOING TO SAY NO. >> NO, YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE NOW DONE IS MADE HER ACCEPT A PROHIBITED GIFT AS WELL. SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT YOU JUST PASSING THESE ON AND WASHING YOUR HANDS OF IT. YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY JUST MADE THE PAPER TRAIL LONGER INSTEAD OF ERADICATING IT. >> MAYOR: AND HER POSITION, TOO. >> SO THE MESSAGE HERE IS ALWAYS KNOW WHO IS GIVING YOU THE GIFT. IT'S EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO IS GIVING IT TO YOU AS IT IS TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT GIFT IS WORTH. AND ARGUABLY, EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. SO ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THE GIVER OF THE GIFT, THAT IS GOING TO SET THE PARAMETERS FOR YOU RIGHT AWAY ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN ACCEPT IT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST, WHETHER OR NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST, KNOWING THE IDENTITY OF THE GIVER IS THE BIG MESSAGE HERE. KNOW WHO IS THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL GIVER OF THAT GIFT. NOT MAYOR PENSERGA. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE HE GOT THOSE TICKETS. DID YOU GET THOSE FROM SOMEWHERE? DID SOMEBODY GIVE US THESE? OKAY. CITY LIBRARY EMPLOYEE RECEIVES A $25 GIFT CARD FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AFTER HELPING THAT PERSON LOCATE CERTAIN BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY FOR RESEARCH. MAY THAT EMPLOYEE ACCEPT THE GIFT? WHAT DID I TELL YOU THAT THE CODE THINKS OF VERY BROADLY? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? ANYBODY HAVE ANY GUESSES HERE? NO TIPS. DOES THIS SEEM LIKE A TIP WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT? IS THIS COMPENSATION OR A REWARD FOR A JOB WELL DONE JUST LIKE A SERVER, RIGHT? IT IS. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO. SHE MAY NOT ACCEPT THAT GIFT. AND LIKE IN THE SCENARIO, I USUALLY SAY SO THE EMPLOYEE OR THE CITIZEN GETS THERE AND THERE'S A NICE CARD WRITTEN TO THE LIBRARIAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP WITH MY RESEARCH PROJECT, DID YOU A GREAT JOB. INSIDE THAT GIFT CARD IS A $25 GIFT CARD. YOU SEE THE $25 GIFT CARD AND YOU SEE THE REASON FOR IT AND THAT'S A HARD STOP RIGHT THERE. YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THAT. I DO LIKE TO SAY THAT THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE GUY SAID -- SAME GUY, NOT JUST SAME PLACE WHERE THE GUY SAID, MA'AM, THAT'S JUST GOOD TEAMWORK, HE SAID COULDN'T WE JUST THROW AWAY THE CARD. [LAUGHTER] I SAID AGAIN WE NEED SOME REMEDIAL TRAINING HERE. >> ALONG THOSE LINES, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT'S AN ANONYMOUS GIFT? BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DROP OFF FOOD. >> YEAH. >> AND OTHER ITEMS TO THE CITY AND YOU ARE LIKE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS. >> YOU HAVE AN ANONYMOUS DONOR. >> CORRECT. >> AND THEY ARE DROPPING OFF ITEMS TO THE CITY. LET'S FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SCENARIO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S -- >> CUPCAKES. >> OKAY, A DOZEN CUPCAKES. >> CORRECT. >> WE'RE GOING TO PUT A VALUE ON THOSE AND DO OUR BEST. ARE THEY HOMEMADE CUPCAKES? DID THEY COME FROM DUNKIN' DONUTS? WE'LL PUT A VALUE ON THOSE FIRST AND FOREMOST. THEN I'M GOING TO SAY TO YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO EAT ALL DOZEN OF THOSE CUPCAKES? >> NO, I'LL SHARE THEM. >> EVEN IF THEY ARE $5 A CUPCAKE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE $100 MARK. THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR. EVEN THERE, EVEN IF IT DOES COME FROM A LOBBYIST, VENDOR, PRINCIPAL BIDDER OR PROPOSER, EVEN IF IT DOES COME FROM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT TO THE $100 THRESHOLD AND YOU ARE SHARING THOSE SO YOU PROPORTION THOSE OUT. YOU MAY HAVE $5 WORTH OF CUPCAKES. IF YOU EAT A CUPCAKE FROM THIS SAME PERSON EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE ENTIRE YEAR, YOU WILL GET TO THE $100. BUT IF IT'S A RANDOM CUPCAKE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. >> LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> WHAT IF IT'S A BUSINESS THAT JUST OPENED UP IN THE CITY AND DOWN THE STREET FROM CITY HALL AND THEY PASS OUT FREE FOOD BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO START ATTENDING THEIR BUSINESS? IS THAT A PROBLEM? >> WELL, IT MIGHT BE A QUID PRO QUO. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN I DID THE TRAINING THAT DEALT SPECIFICALLY WITH VENDORS. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUO. IF THEY WANT YOU SIMPLY TO TASTE THEIR FOOD AND THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR YET, THEN TECHNICALLY THERE'S NO PROHIBITION. IF THEY ARE JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT. IF THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY TARGETING YOU BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET A CONTRACT AND THEY ARE GIVING YOU FREE FOOD TO GET THAT CD AND NOT WANTING YOU TO TASTE THEIR FOOD TO SEE HOW DELICIOUS IT IS TO GET THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO -- I'M GOING TO REALLY FOCUS ON IF I WERE LOOKING AT THAT ON THE INTENT OF THE RESTAURANT AND THEN THE RESPONSE FROM THE EMPLOYEE. SO YOU CAN'T -- THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUOS AS I SAID. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE REASONING BEHIND IT AND IF IT WORKS, RIGHT. IF IT WORKS ON THE EMPLOYEE. SO IF THE EMPLOYEE TAKES ALL THE FREE FOOD AND THEN GIVES THEM THE CONTRACT, THAT WAS PROBABLY A QUID PRO QUO WHICH WOULD BE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND THAT AS A PROHIBITED GIFT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO, THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT GIFT FOR COMPLETING A TASK THAT THEIR PUBLIC EMPLOYER EMPLOYS THEM TO DO UNLESS IT MEETS THE ONE EXCEPTION WHICH IN THIS CASE I DON'T THINK LIBRARIANS TYPICALLY GET TIPS. IF IT IS A FRE FREQUENT FLYER TE LIBRARY AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT CITIZEN DROPS OFF A $50 GIFT CARD AND SAYS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A GREAT LIBRARIAN. WHAT ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT FOR A SPECIFIC ACT, RIGHT? IT'S JUST FOR BEING A GREAT LIBRARIAN. YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO ACCEPT IT, RIGHT. YOU MIGHT SAY TO YOURSELF I'M GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE CITY KITTY, RIGHT. BUT COULD YOU ACCEPT THAT IF -- LET'S JUST SAY UNDER THE CODE. YEAH, THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU COULD. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THIS. SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE REALLY WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS. AGAIN, THIS MAY NOT PASS NUMBER FOUR. THIS MAY NOT PASS NUMBER FOUR OF THE FOUR-STEP PROCESS BUT MAYBE IT IS. THERE IS NO TECHNICAL PROHIBITION. MANY PLACES, MOST PLACES, IN FACT, WILL SAY WE HAVE A POLICY AND WE JUST PUT IT IN A JOINT THING AND THEN WE USE IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR A CITY PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT TYPE OF A THING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WHAT ABOUT THIS. CITY EMPLOYEES ATTENDING A CONFERENCE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. THE ATTENDANCE AT THE CONFERENCE AND THE HOTEL STAY WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY AND PAID FOR BY THE CITY. DOES THIS NEED TO BE REPORTED, MAYOR PENSERGA? WE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, RIGHT. NO, IT DOESN'T. AS LONG AS IT'S A CITY FUNCTION, NO, DEFINITELY NOT. NOBODY WOULD EVER GO TO A CONFERENCE IF YOU HAD TO REPORT IT AS A GIFT. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS. SO LET'S SAY YOU INADVERTENTLY ACCEPTED A GIFT VALUED AT GREATER THAN $100 FROM A PROHIBITED SOURCE AND VICE MAYOR KELLEY WON'T TAKE THE SEAHAWKS TICKETS FROM YOU. AND MAYOR PENSERGA, NOW YOU REALIZE THAT I AM A VENDOR WITH THE CITY AND YOU DON'T WANT THOSE TICKETS. YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO THE GAME YET. WHAT DO YOU DO? >> MAYOR: GIVE THEM BACK. >> GIVE THEM BACK. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER OPTIONS? YOU COULD PAY BACK EVERYTHING OTHER THAN $100 BECAUSE YOU CAN ACCEPT UP TO $100 FROM A VENDOR OR A LOBBYIST. YOU CAN GIVE THEM BACK. YOU CAN PAY BACK THE MONEY WHICH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE 90 DAYS ON STATE REPORTERS. IF YOU DID INADVERTENTLY ACCEPT THOSE TICKETS BUT THEN YOU REPORTED THEM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT AND FOR TRANSPARENCY YOU WERE REPORTING THEM, WE WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, RHONDA GEIGER IS A VENDOR. AT THAT POINT, YOU JUST PAY BACK $500 AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A GIFT VIOLATION. THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF BEING A 90-DAY REPORTER BECAUSE 90 DAYS IS A CURE PERIOD FOR THIS. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS. SO I ASKED THIS QUESTION BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ANSWER IT. THERE WAS A TIME IN THE CODE WHERE THEY WERE PROHIBITED BUT NOW CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS HAVE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE THE CHARITIES ARE THE ONES THAT WERE BEING PENALIZED BY THIS BY NOT BEING ABLE TO COLLECT ON THEIR BEHALF. SO NOW AN EMPLOYER OFFICIAL MAY SOLICIT DONATIONS FROM A VENDOR OR LOBBYIST OF THEIR PUBLIC ORGANIZATION -- OR PUBLIC EMPLOYER I'M SORRY ON BEHALF OF A NON-PROFIT CHARITABLE INSTITUTION AS LONG AS THEY FILE A CHARITABLE SOLICITATION LOG AND DON'T SOLICIT ANYONE WHO IS A VENDOR. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL OBLIGED TO DONATE SO THEY GET A CONTRACT. IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, WE DO NOT SOLICIT FROM ANYBODY WITH A CURRENT BID OR PROPOSAL STILL OUTSTANDING. >> MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK. >> MAYOR: SURE. IS THAT YOU? COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. >> YEAH. RHONDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> SURE. >> FOR BEING HERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, [INAUDIBLE] IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND THEY DID A LOT OF GREAT STUFF AND IT'S AWESOME TO SEE THEM GROW. QUICK QUESTION. >> FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IF THERE WAS LIKE A COLLABORATIVE EVENT LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOING A BUILD FOR SOMEONE, RIGHT. THEY PARTNER WITH THE CITY, BUT THEY PROVIDE T-SHIRTS OR LIKE A SWAG BAG. TECHNICALLY, THEY ARE A VENDOR OF THE CITY. SO IF THAT AMOUNT IS GREATER THAN I GUESS $100, IS THAT A VIOLATION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A COLLABORATIVE EVENT? IT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA IT SEEMS LIKE. IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN -- >> YEAH. I MEAN I CAN ELABORATE JUST TO THE EXTENT I CAN WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEIR CAPACITY AS A VENDOR -- WHAT IS THEIR CAPACITY AS A VENDOR, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THIS. AS I SAID, SOMETIMES THINGS LIKE THAT ARE WRITTEN INTO A CONTRACT SO THINGS COME FROM THE CITY INSTEAD OF FROM THE AGENCY. I HIGHLY SUSPECT THAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS NOT GIVING AWAY OVER $100 WORTH OF STUFF. YOU CAN STILL ACCEPT UP TO $100 FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS A VENDOR. THEM BEING A NON-PROFIT DOESN'T MAKE THEM NOT A VENDOR. >> OKAY. >> SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH -- I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS WITH THE ITEMS OR THE GIFTS OR THOSE -- AND LOOK AT THE NATURE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. >> OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, IF THERE'S LIKE A SWAG BAG THAT'S PROVIDED FROM THE CRA OF THE CITY, THAT'S PART OF OUR DUTY, RIGHT. THAT IS NOT A VIOLATION, I'M ASSUMING. >> WHO IS IT PROVIDED FROM? WHO GAVE IT TO YOU? >> LET'S SAY THE CITY OR THE CRA. >> REDEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION WHICH IS PART OF THE CITY. >> THE CITY, SO ACCEPTING A GIFT FROM YOUR EMPLOYER IS FINE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT REPORTABLE. SO IF IT WAS -- >> RIGHT. >> A DIAMOND RING, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO REPORT IT UNLESS IT WAS A REALLY BAD DIAMOND RING. >> WISH I WAS GETTING DIAMOND RINGS. >> SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO WANT TO LOOK AT THE $100 THRESHOLD. >> RIGHT, OKAY, GOT IT. EVEN IF IT IS FROM WITHIN THE CITY OR THE BOYNTON BEACH CRA -- >> YEAH. >> IT IS REPORTABLE. >> YEAH. >> PERFECT. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >> SURE. OKAY. PRETTY GOOD ON THE CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS? WE'RE QUICKLY GOING TO COVER THESE OTHER ISSUES AND I'LL LET YOU GUYS GET ON WITH YOUR CITY BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT TRAVEL EXPENSES FROM A VENDOR, DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION, NEPOTISM AND THEN WHONESTY IN APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE FOUR LITTLE-KNOWN SECTIONS OF THE CODE. PER THE NORM, WE TAKE AWAY AND THEN WE'LL GIVE IT RIGHT BACK. SO OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES ARE PROHIBITED FROM ACCEPTING TRAVEL EXPENSES DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FROM ANY CONTRACTOR OR VENDOR OR PROPOSER OF THEIR PUBLIC EMPLOYER OR PUBLIC ENTITY, EXCEPT IF IT'S WAIVED BY YOUR GOVERNING BODY OR IF THE EXPENSES ARE REIMBURSED OR PAID BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY OR AN ORGANIZATION WITH WHICH YOUR EMPLOYER HAS A RELATIONSHIP. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY HERE IS IF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BUYING ALL NEW SPEED MEASURING DEVICES AND WHOEVER IS PRODUCING THOSE SPEED MEASURING DEVICES WANTS TO FLY SOME PEOPLE OUT AND TRAIN THEM TO CALIBRATE AND RUN AND REPAIR THOSE SPEED MEASURING DEVICES, TYPICALLY -- I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROHIBITIONS, IT SAYS NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. BUT WHO WOULD WE PREFER IS PAYING THE COST OF ALL THAT TRAVEL? WOULD WE PREFER YOU GUYS PAID THAT? OR WOULD YOU PREFER THE VENDOR DID? SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO HERE IS -- OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD PREFER THE VENDOR. I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION. BUT WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE VENDOR DID THAT. SO JUST GET THAT APPROVED IN ADVANCE. IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE IN SLANS BY THE GOVERNING BODY. AND THEN IT'S FINE. SO IT'S NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T COME BACK AFTER THE FACT. OKAY? AND THEN DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. >> I'M SORRY. THIS CAME UP. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE? >> SURE. >> WE HAD AN ISSUE COME UP WITH REGARD TO WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND THEY HOST QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY LUNCHEONS. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO HOST A LUNCHEON -- IT'S NOW OUR TURN -- FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS IF WE ARE A MEMBER OF THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER WITH RESPECT TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU ARE A MEMBER. >> THERE'S NO ETHICAL VIOLATION. >> I DON'T SEE AN ETHICAL VIOLATION JUST GIVEN THOSE FACTS. >> THANK YOU. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST -- IT'S JUST YOUR TURN. >> CORRECT. >> THE MUNICIPALITIES ALL TAKE TURNS HOSTING THAT LUNCH. AND BOYNTON BEACH -- >> AND IT'S WORK RELATED. >> HOSTS NOVEMBER. >> OF COURSE. >> THAT'S THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER, WHEN THINGS ARE WORK-RELATED, WHEN YOU ARE WORKING, IT'S NOT A GIFT. I MEAN IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PARAMETER. IT'S NOT AN EVENT OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF YOUR -- I MEAN THAT IS WORK-RELATED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO PROHIBITION AGAINST USING INFORMATION THAT IS GAINED THROUGH YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT OR OFFICIAL POSITION FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT OR THE PERSONAL BENEFIT OF ANY ENTITY. IF THAT INFORMATION IS NOT YET AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO YOU CAN'T USE INFORMATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW FOR YOUR PERSONAL GAIN, JUST TO SIMPLIFY. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PERNICIOUS PLANNER. A STAFF MEMBER HAS DRAFTED SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE EXTENSION OF A MAJOR ROAD AND SHE EVENTUALLY REALIZES THAT THE COMMISSION, WHILE THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED IT YET, THEY HAVE INFORMALLY SELECTED AN OPTION BUT THAT INFORMATION IS NOT JUST AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. MAY SHE PURCHASE THAT LAND? MAY SHE TELL HER LITTLE SISTER TO PURCHASE THAT LAND? MAY SHE TELL HER LITTLE SISTER'S BEST FRIEND'S COUSIN TO PURCHASE THAT LAND? SHE MAY NOT -- YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT. SHE MAY NOT TELL ANYBODY. YOU CANNOT DISCLOSE THAT. WE CANNOT USE OUR EMPLOYMENT OR POSITIONS AS ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR PERSONAL GAIN, PERIOD. WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT. SO THE ANSWER IS NO. >> MAYOR: RHONDA, COULD I ASK IF IT IS THEN DISCUSSED IN A PUBLIC MEETING, WILL THAT THEN NO LONGER BE PRIVATE INFORMATION? >> IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. WHETHER OR NOT IT IS PRUDENT, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE SECTION ONCE IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> MAYOR: I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PRUDENT EITHER. >> YOU JUST CAN'T USE INFORMATION THAT'S NOT YET AVAILABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE. >> HEY, RHONDA. >> YEAH. >> IF THE COUNCIL HAS PUT A TIME LIMIT, SAY THREE YEARS -- IF I KNOW A PIECE OF LAND AND WE HAVE SAID YOU CAN'T MOVE ON THAT AT LEAST FOR WHATEVER THE TIME LIMIT IS, AT THAT POINT, WOULD I BE VIOLATING -- >> IS IT PUBLIC INFORMATION? I MEAN THE PRECURSOR HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. >> THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. IT WAS ANY A COMMISSION MEETING. >> YEAH. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PRUDENT, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. OKAY? NEPOTISM, EMPLOYEES AND OFFICIALS WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO PROMOTE OR ADVANCE AN EMPLOYEE ARE PROHIBITED FROM DOING SO AND ADVOCATING FOR ANY OF THOSE IF THAT PERSON IS A CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE, SPOUSE OR DOMESTIC PARTNER. AND AGAIN, THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, RELATIVE, CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE IS DEFINED. SO JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS -- THIS DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. APPOINT, EMPLOY, PROMOTE OR ADVANCE YOU CAN'T DO IF THAT PERSON IS A FAMILY MEMBER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULDN'T WORK IN THE SAME CITY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T WORK IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. IT JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR ANY OF THOSE FOUR THINGS OR DO ANY OF THOSE FOUR THINGS. EXCEPT FOR WITH CERTAIN ADVISORY BOARDS BUT THIS DOESN'T APPLY HERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE NOT PARTNER. AGAIN THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, RELATIVE, CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE IS DEFINED. JUST KNOW THAT THIS DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. APP APPOINT, EMPLOY, PROMOTE OR ADVANCE ANYONE IF THAT PERSON IS IN YOUR FAMILY. IT JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR ANY CLOSE FOUR THINGS >> HONESTY AND APPLICATIONS. ANY PERSON OR SEEKING A PROMOTION WITH THEIR OR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT PROHIBITED FROM LYING OR MAKING ANY FALSE STATEMENT ON THEIR APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT VETTING PROCESS ON NEW EMPLOYEES IS PRETTY GREAT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT IN GENERAL. THIS GOES THE SAME. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A PROMOTION. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A CONTRACT DON'T SAY YOU DID SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T DONE. YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH THE ETHICS. AND THEN FINALLY THE ENFORCEMENT DEPONT. I KNOW EVERYBODY WAS HAS BEEN WONDERING. WE ARE A CIVIL CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. SO THERE'S NO ETHICS JAIL. WE CAN ISSUE A LETTER OF INSTRUCTION OR REPRIMAND. WE DO THAT QUITE FREQUENTLY. WE CAN FINE UP IF THERE'S R RECIDIVIST BEHAVIOR. AND WE CAN ASK FORREST SUBSTITUTION IF NECESSARY. IT FEELS LIKE THAT THE CODE VIOLATIONS ARE NOT SPENDINGS NULL AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY TRYING. PEOPLE ARE MAKING GOOD EFFORTS. SO MANY OF THESE END UP WITH A LETTER OF INSTRUCTION. SAY THIS HAPPENED. JUST DON'T DO IT AGAIN. WE'RE REMINDING PEOPLE WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON EVERYTHING. >> ADDITIONALLY, IF THERE IS CRIMINAL CONDUCT WITH WHATEVER WE RUN ACROSS VIOLATIONS CAN BE AND WILL BE REPORTED TO THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S AND HAVE BEEN AND MAY SOMETIMES BE CONVICTED OF A CRIME F THAT EVEN IF YOU GET BIAS, IF THE STATE ATTORNEY YOU STILL CAN BE PUNISHED BY YOUR AGENCY. THERE CAN BE REPERCUSSIONS FROM YOUR INDIVIDUAL AGENCY. AND ONE THING I TOO WANT TO SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, AND YOU KNOW MAYOR, I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT CIVILITY WHEN YOU OPENED UP THE MEETING. WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC CODE OF ETHICS WE CAN ENFORCE. IT IS WE DON'T ENFORCE CIVILITY. THAT IS NOT PART WHAT I CAN ENFORCE. I'VE COVERED THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THIS. WE WASN'T WHETHER A PROHIBITED ENTITY IS RECEIVING SOME A SPECIAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT. THINGES THAT YOU PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO SEE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT AN ETHICS VIOLATION. BUT UNLESS THEY VIOLATE THE CODE THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. IF YOU DO REACH OUT TO US WE ASK THAT YOU READ THROUGH THE CODE AND HELP IDENTIFY WHICH ELEMENT OF THE CODE IS BEING VIOLATED. WE DO HAVE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THE LAW. WE CAN'T GO OUTSIDE THE LAW. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HERE? >> THANKS. >> WE HAD A QUESTION. >> OF COURSE YOU DO. >> IT NOT REALLY. IT'S ACTUALLY AN UPDATE. I READ SOMETHING PASSED IN THE STATE THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTING UNANIMOUS COMPLAINTS. >> IT'S IN EFFECT NOW. IT WAS JUNE. IT WENT INTO EFFECT WHEN IT GOT PASSED WHICH IS LIKE JUNE 20 SOMETHING. SO WE CAN'T FILE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS. WHAT USED TO HAPPEN, IS WE LOOK AT INFORMATION. WE WOULD CONDUCT A PLIM INQUIRY. WE WOULD FILE A SELF-INITIATED COMPLAINTS. WE CAN NO LAONGER FILE THOSE SE SELF-INITIATED COMPLAINTS. SAY TO OURSELVES IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN ETHICS VIOLATION HERE. HERE'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE GATHERED. IF YOU WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT LIKE THIS GO AHEAD. WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. THAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM MY COLLEAGUES. >> YES. I DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE. AS FAR AS I GUESS A WORKSHOP AND THE COMMISSION MEETING, UNDER THE SAME RULES IS THAT CORRECT. LIKE THIS IS A WORKSHOP. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUNSHINE LAW AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT OUT OF MY -- >> NOT NECESSARILY. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, IS THAT I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON NOTES THAT ARE WRITTEN DOWN ON PAPER, IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. DO YOU DO DEAL WITH THAT TYPE OF TYPE -- >> WE DON'T DEAL WITH PUBLIC RECORDS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY WHEN DEALING WITH PUBLIC RECORDS. >> DO YOU DEAL WITH CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN TWO INDIVIDUALS AND NOT THE REST OF THE -- >> UNLESS IT VIOLATED THE CODE NO, IT WOULD NOT FALL. >> THE CODE OFFED LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ETHICS. >> ONLY IF IT DID. I CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION IT WOULD BE UNLESS THERE'S SOME SPECIAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT ATTACHED TO IT. I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE CODE OF ETHICS. AND COMMISSIONER IF YOU KNOW MY OFFICE CAN PUT TOGETHER A GENERAL TRAINING -- WHETHER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO ANOTHER WORKSHOP TRAINING OR PUT TOGETHER A MEMO REGARDING SUNSHINE, AND PUBLIC RECORDS. THAT'S SOMETHING MY OFFICE WOULD TAKE CARE OF. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT NOUL. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE SPECIAL MEETING. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT EFRLEDS YOU AND I. YOU TELL ME WHATEVER YOU WANT AND I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> OKAY. >> WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS HOW WE BEHAVE UP HERE ON THE DAIS. I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF SEASONS. I FEEL THERE'S ACCORDING TO THE TRAINING I HAD PREVIOUSLY UNLESS IT'S BEEN CHANGED, CONVERSATION THAT GOES ON UP HERE BETWEEN TWO COMMISSIONERS, STAFF AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR WHOMEVER, AND THE REST OF US DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS ALL ABOUT. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE UP HERE SITTING ON THE DAIS. WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S BEING SAID. DO YOU HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING? >> UNFORTUNATELY, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU. >> OKAY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. I'D REALLY LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH REGARD TO A SPECIAL MEETING WE HAVE TO ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL YOU WANT ON AUGUST 6TH OR IN PERSON OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. >> I'LL DO THAT. >> OKAY. WHEN WE ADD THINGS TO THE AGENDA, THOSE THINGS ARE NOT -- >> THAT'S AT A REGULAR PUBLIC AGENDA MEETING. THIS IS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP SO THE RULES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE. COMMISSIONER HAY. >> LET ME LAST CALL FROM MY COLLEAGUES. SEEING NOTHING ELSE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IT SAYS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SECOND DATE OF THE COMMISSION MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. THAT IS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 17th. HOWEVER IT FALLS AS THE IECD THAT'S THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. LET ME TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THERE ARE DATES THAT ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. STAFF DID YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. I'M ASSUMING THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY. >> WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS. >> I REQUEST THAT WE DO IT ON THE 16th. >> MAYOR. >> WHEN I SPOKE TO INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR HE MENTIONED IF THE MEETING WOULD STILL NEED TO FALL IN THAT WEEK. IT NEEDS TO FALL ON THE WEEK OF THE 16th. >> COULD BE THE WEEK BEFORE. >> Mayor: LET'S DO THE WEEK BEFORE. AND WE'LL BE GONE FOR THAT WEEK. OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 9th. >> Mayor: THE WEEK OF THE 9th AND WE HAVE THE CRA MEETING ON THE 10TH. >> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. MY QUESTION THE TIMING OF OTHER THINGS. STAFF WILL FIGURE IT OUT. WHAT ABOUT THE THURSDAY? >> THE 12th. >> DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? >> LET ME CHECK MY CALENDAR AS WELL. >> IN THE MEANTIME LET ME KNOW IF IT DOES OR DOES NOT WORK. RIGHT NOW THE 12th. SEPTEMBER 12th. COMMISSIONER CRUZ. IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER. >> YES. >> Mayor: LEFT. SEPTEMBER 12th. WITH THAT IS A THURSDAY. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT DATE. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSSION REQUEST TO SCHEDULE A SHADE MEETING PURSUANT TO LOTS OF CODE. 28 286.011 PRESENT 8). >> WE ARE CURRENTLY IN LITIGATION WITH EAST BOYNTON BEACH, AND IS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC. WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS DIRECTION AS TO LITIGATION STRATEGY OR WITH REGARD TO LITIGATION -- IMTIONS LETED ME REPHRASE. REGARD TO SETTLEMENT OR WITH REGARD TO REDUCING LITIGATION EXPENDITURES. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IN A CLOSED DOOR HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH REGARD TO THE LETGATION EXPENDITURES. SO I'M REQUESTING A SHADE MEETING. >> Mayor: DO YOU HAVE DATES. >> I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT AUGUST 6TH OR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> ARE YOU WANTING TO DO IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING. >> YES. AND I BELIEVE WE CAN -- IT SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN AN HOUR. SO I MEAN WE CAN EITHER BEGIN THE MEETING AND THEN WE ANNOUNCE OUR SHADE MEETING AND WE GO AND HAVE OUR SHADE MEETING AND THEN COME BACK. WHETHER WE WANTED TO START THE MEETING A LITTLE EARLIER TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULES. BUT I KNOW YOU ALL WORK. MAYOR MIRE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT RUSHING DOWN THE HIGHWAY TO GET HERE. I'M COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY. WE MIGHT STICK TO THE 6:00 TIME. AND WE MOVE OUT TO OUR CLOSED DOOR SESSION. IF THE REST OF YOU ARE WILLING TO COME EARLIER >> VICE MAYOR. >> I KNOW I HAVE THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST 6TH WAS POSED TODAY. IS IT HOW HEAVY IS THAT AGENDA WHERE WE STARTED A SHADE MEETING AT 6 >> GIVEN THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IN THE SHADE MEETING I DON'T PERCEIVE ANYMORE NEAR AN HOUR. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE PRETTY LONG. >> IF THE MEMBERS CAN DO THAT. I'M FINE WITH STARTING AT 6. >> YEAH. >> Mayor: THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMIS COMMISSIONERS, ADVICE MAYOR SUGGESTED STARTING AT 5:30. IT DEPENDS ON WHO WHO HAVE DRIVE TIME. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT 5:30. I'M OKAY WITH 6:00. I CAN BE FLEXIBLE. WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS. WHATEVER IS EASIEST FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. >> AUGUST 6TH AT 5:30. >> 5:30 ON THE SIXTH. I'M GOOD. >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER CRUZ DID YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GET HERE BY 5:30. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE. BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC FROM WEST PALM. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 6:00. >> Mayor: LET'S PROCEED WITH 6:00. I DON'T WANT ANYONE RUSHING DOWN THE HIGHWAY >> NOW WE'LL REPUBLISH THE AGENDA TOMORROW. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor: WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THAT. THE NEXT ITEM IS 3C. DISCUSSION REGARDING -- COUNSEL, WAS THAT THE END. >> YES, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. I APOLOGIZE. >> Mayor: 3C DISCUSSION REGARDING PROCESS FOR PRESENTING PROPOSED ORDINANCES TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE WHEN THE STAFF PRESENTS PROPOSED ORDINARY MUNSS FOR CONSIDERATION. I WAS NOT HERE LAST MEETING. I KNOW YOU BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THIS. WHOEVER BROUGHT IT UP. >> WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY DISCUSS ORDINANCES AT THE LAST MEETING. MY OFFICE NEEDS SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION BECAUSE MY OFFICE HAS IDENTIFIED 18 ORDINANCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR DEPARTMENTS HAVE ASKED US TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT NO LAONGER WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND/OR THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE STATUTE AND THEREFORE IT NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. WITH REGARD TO SOME ORDINANCES THAT ARE JUST MAYBE A RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PASSED AND IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A RESOLUTION. IT SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. SO MY -- ABL MY JOB RIGHT IS TO CLEAN THOSE THINGS UP FOR THE CITY AND THEN YOU GUYS YOU VOTE ON IT. BUT I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES IN REGARD TO BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. I JUST WANT SOME CLEAR DISCUSSION SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I'M AT THE POINTING ON YOUR TOES. BECAUSE I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE CERTAIN THING. I DO THERE ARE TWO ORDINANCES THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSTITUTIONAL AND THAT NEED TO BE REPEALED. FOR EXAMPLE IN THAT SITUATION, DIP KLEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN I WOULD PROPOSE REPEALING THE ORDINANCE AND SUBSTITUTING IT WITH A CONSTITUTIONALLY VALID ORTEGA NONES. SO I JUST NEED DIRECTION GOING FORWARD ON HOW YOU WANT ME AS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY TO DO THOSE THINGS. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COUNSEL. LET ME KICK OFF THE CONVERSATION AND OF COURSE I'LL TURN TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR INPUT. I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL RECEIVED EMAILS ABOUT THE PROPOSED WHAT ARE WE CALLING PRE-AGENDA WORKSHOP. >> AN AGENDA WORKSHOP. >> Mayor: THIS IS THE WORKSHOP PRIOR TO CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I THINK IF STAFF WANTS TO PROPOSE TO SAND EXPLAIN WHAT TH RAS NULL IS. YES WE'RE GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROCEED OR DON'T PROCEED OR GIVE INPUT IN SOME WAY TO MODIFY. SO THAT WOULD OCCUR PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. HOWEVER, THIS WAS BROUGHT -- THIS WAS TOUCHED ON. LET'S TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS OF HOW WE COULD PROCEED FORWARD. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. >> MAYOR >> COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. >> I JUST WANT TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY. IT ALLOWS STAFF TO PRESENT SOMETHING, VERY TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF US. WE CAN GET CONSCONSENSUS, AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RESIDENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE A THESE THINGS CAN BE TIME BOUND. AS A FINISH ELECTED THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT. SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HOLD OFF THAT COULD PUT THE CITY LIABLE. I'M DEFINITELY IN FIFR OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. >> Mayor: FOR CLARITY FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND FOR THE PUBLIC, IF SO IF OUR EFFICIENTLY CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE ON THUS. THE DRAFT AGENDA THESE ADAL THAT YOU SEE ONLINE THEY ARE PRODUCED BY STAFF AND ONLY BY STAFF. THEY ARE PRODUCED ABOUT ONE WEEK BEFORE. AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE AN AGENDA WORKSHOP ON A THURSDAY. THIS IS THE THURSDAY PRIOR TO THE MEETING SO THEY PUBLISH THEIR PROPOSED DRAFT. WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THURSDAY TO GET OUR INPUT AND THEN IF THERE ARE CHANGES WE CAN R REPUBLISH ON FRIDAY FOR EXAMPLE, AND SO THIS WAY THE PUBLIC GETS AN UPDATED VERSION, AND THESE WORKSHOPS ARE PUBLIC. IT WILL BE RECORDED. SO THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE SO THERE'S CLARIFICATION ON TIMELINE. LET'S HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELIMINATION. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> Mayor: ADVICE MARICOPA. >> WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO BRING IN-HOUSE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, AND I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY CLEAR. WE WANTED THAT CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THE CITY AND PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. SO I THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR REALLY TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF THE ORDINANCES AND ALL OF THE CODES AND EVERYTHING AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING TIME ON OUR SIDE AND JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER TURKIN. WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CITY AT-RISK. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING CHARGE OF THAT AND THEN COMING TO US WITH RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE HERE AS PART-TIME, AND YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL. YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY THAT HAS HAD MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT WORK, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, AND SO I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT AND I AGREE THAT I THINK PROBABLY IN THAT THE WORKSHOP SETTING ONES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE TIME SENSITIVE SHOULD COME TO US SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. CLEANING THESE UP AS NECESSARY. I'M FINE WITH DOING IT IN THE WORKSHOP SETTING. I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND ONES THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE AND WE REALLY NEED TO JUMP ON WE JUMP ON THEM. AND NOT WAIT FOR THE WORKSHOP. BUT YOU KNOW IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE ADDED TO A MEETING, THEN I DON'T WANT TO JUST DELAY IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THRAING IT. THAT'S WHAT YOUR JOB IS TO PROTECT US, AND PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND SO I TRUST IF YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING TO US YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BEST INTERESTS. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> I DO AGREE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A SESSION WHERE WE SPECIFY LIKE STAFF REQUESTS FOR C CONSENSUS FOR FROM THE BOARD OR WHATEVER. JUST SO THAT WE'RE AWARE AND TO THE SEPARATE AREA. THAT IT'S NOT THE GENERAL AGENDA SO WE CAN DISCUSSION AND DECIDE IF WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR NOT. THAT'S IT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT YOU MEANT. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER WITH OUR ATTORNEYS. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND SO WHEN THE PUBLIC SEES THAT DRAFT AGENDA IT'S A DRAFT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING I'M PUTTING FORWARD OR OUR PUTTING FORWARD UNLESS IT IS ACTUALLITION. THERE'S BEEN MANY INSTANCES I DO NOT MAKE THE AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO DO THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CLARITY WHAT STAFF PROPOSED VERSIONS COMMISSIONER INITIATED. I THINK THERE'S AN EASY FIX FOR IT. I'VE SEEN IN OTHER MUPPETS AEROCITIES. INITIATED BY THIS DEPARTMENT. INITIATED BY SO-AND-SO. SO THERE'S SCBLIRT ON THAT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAM. THE ONLY THING PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS PROCESS AS WE TRY THIS OUT WE MAY HAVE HAVE TO REFINE, AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. WE MAY DISCOVER WE NEED MORE TIME. WE'LL TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. FOR THIS AGENDA WORKSHOP THIS WOULD BE A PRE- CURSOR SURF THE AGENDA WITH THE PROPOSED ORDINARY NUNS ORNCES OR ITEMS T COMING FORWARD. >> IF NEEDED I WOULD STILL HAVE THAT TIME TO HAVE AN AGENDA REVIEW WITH STAFF. PERSONALLY I THINK THIS IS GREAT. IT PREPARES ME. YOU GET MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING EVERYTHING PRIOR. WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF NEEDED IN THE PUBLIC EYE. SO AND YOU HIT RIGHT ON THE HEAD AS WELL. >> Mayor: YOU HIT ON A GOOD POINT AS WELL. BY HAVING THIS PRE-MEETING WORKSHOP IT IS BY NO MEANS NOT MY INTENT TO I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYONE'S INTENT TO PREVENT YOU FROM HAVING YOUR OWN PRIVATE MEETINGS. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. FOR ME IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME FROM OUR OVERSIGHT ROLES WE'RE ALL HEARING THE SAME INFORMATION. QUITE FRANKLY IF YOU ASK A QUESTION COMMISSIONER TURKIN OR COMMISSIONER HAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD ALREADY ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY MORE EFFICIENTLY. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> AGAIN BY HAVING THIS WORKSHOP WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT WE'RE OKAY WITH, AND NOT OKAY WITH. SO WE'LL REPUBLISH THAT REFLECTS THE WILL OF THE MAJOR TEAF. >> JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THE WORKSHOP. WE HAVE THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR AUGUST 6TH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS ON THAT AGENDA. THAT WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO SAY I DON'T WANT THIS ON THE CRNS I WANT A PRESENTATION ON THIS. SO IT GIVES CITY TAFF TO GIVE YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED. IT GIVES CITY STAFF TIME TO PREPARE THAT AS WELL. MAKING SURE YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU NEED OR THERE'S A PROPOSED ORDINANCE ON IT. AND YOU KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. AND WE CAN PULL THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING SO WE CAN HAVE MORE EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR CITY STAFF AND OUR RESOURCES. I REALLY HOPE IT WILL HELP US COLLABORATE ON US BETTER. SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE STAFF ABOUT WHY SOMETHING IS GOING FORWARD PRIOR TO THEM SHOWING UP IN THE COMMISSION MEETING. >> Mayor: THANK YOU EVERYBODY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING WE HAVE CONSENSUS. >> I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS ON THURSDAY WHEN SHOULD THE AGENDA BE POSTED. >> THE DRAFT AGENDA WILL STILL BE POSTED ON TUESDAY. BY DRAFT IT MEANS THIS IS WHAT THE CITY STAFF IS PROPOSING. ON TUESDAY, YOU GUYS WILL FINAL I HAD THE AGENDA AND BY FINALIZE I MEAN TAKING SOMETHING OFF, MAYBE ADDING SOMETHING, MAYBE PULLING SOMETHING FROM CONSENT OR WANTING A PRESENTATION. AND THEN IT WILL BE ROW POSTED ON FRIDAY AS THE FINAL AGENDA FOR THE TUESDAY DATE. >> Mayor: SOUNDS GOOD. LET'S CONTINUE. THE NEXT ITEM 3D DISCUSSION OF AGENDA FORMAT, PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMENT CARDS. LET ME JUST BEGIN BY SAYING -- I'M SORRY SIR, THIS IS A COMMISSION MEETING. PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMENT CARDS. LET ME JUST BEGIN BY SAYING THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT WHERE A SERIES OF LIES WERE LODGED AGAINST ME. I HAVE A PRETTY THICK SKIN. NOT GOING TO MAKE MY MIND. ASK FOR THE RECEIPTS. CHECK FOR FURTHER SOURCES. WHAT ARE THEIR MOTIVATIONS. AS I'VE SAID HERE, AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT MAKE THE AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE HAVE ACCESS FOR THE SOFTWARE TO DO THAT. THE MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE UNILATERAL POWER TO DO ANYTHING. IF I WANT TO GIVE FUNDS TO A COMMUNITY GROUP I NEED. I WASN'T EVEN HERE. SO CHECK THE RECEIPTS, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR INFORMATION IS ACCURATE. SO TO MAKE THIS DISCUSSION EASIER. LET ME COMMENT CARDS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN FLOATING IN THE ETHER FOR DISCUSSION. I'M INDIFFERENT. WHAT REALLY MATTERS WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS. AS STAFF DO YOU HAVE INTROTO COMMENT CARDS OR AND SAY GENERALLY WHAT IT'S UP. AND >> SURE. SO IN ALMOST ALL JURISDICTIONS OF OUR SIZE WHICH THEY HAVE COMMENT CARDS. THE PURPOSE OF COMMENT CARDS IS REALLY FOR LEGAL PURPOSES IN CASE THERE'S EVER ANY CHALLENGE TO THE MEETING. YOU HAVE A CLERK WHO IS TAKING MINUTES AND SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET NAMES, AND ADDRESSES FOR NOT ONLY FOR FOLLOW-UP BUT AS YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED AND THEREFORE IT'S DIFFICULT TO GO BACK AND AS YOU SAY CHECK RECEIPTS WHO WAS THERE AND WHAT ITEM THEY SPOKE ON. THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE. IT ALSO DOES OPEN UP. SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PUBLIC SPEAKING. IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE THEIR COMMENT DOWN AND HAVE IT READ INTO THE RECORD. THE OTHER OPTIONS IN THOSE CITIES IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE MEETING THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS ONLINE AND ALSO TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD. THOSE COMMENT CARDS PULMONARY PUBLIC RECORD AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH MY FUTURE CHALLENGES WITH REGARD TO THE MEETING, THE MEETING PROCESS AND ANY POTENTIAL LITIGATION THAT MAY COME UP AS A RESULT OF THAT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COUNSEL. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I DON'T SUPPORT COMMENT CARDS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO IT IN THE CITY. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WORK FOR BOYNTON. ALSO I DID SEE AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR REDUCING OUR COMPLETELY REMOVING PUBLIC COMMENT. I ALSO DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OUR DISABLED SILT SUNS AND SENIOR CITIZENS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT AND NO COMMENT CARDS AND ALLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT TO HAPPEN AT A TIME WHEN IT'S REASONABLE AND HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE HEARD AND NOT AT THE END OF THE ITEM AFTER THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN VOTED ON. (APP [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor: THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONER CRUZ. TO MY COLLEAGUES I WAS HOPING TO ATTACK THIS CONVERSATION PIECE BY PIECE BEGINNING WITH JUST COMMENT CARDS. IF YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO COVER ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT'S FINE. LET'S FOCUS ON COMMENT CARDS. CLEARLY THAT WAS A NO FROM COMMISSIONER CRUZ ON COMMENT KAURPEDS. AD VICE MAYOR LET'S TURN TO YOU. YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. >> I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT ON THIS. I SEE THE VALUE IN HAVING FOLLOW UP. THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE SPEAK AND I WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND I COMPLAINED ABOUT X, Y AND Z AND THERE WAS NO FOLLOW UP. BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE CHAIRED MAYOR, I'VE KIND OF DISCLOSED AFTER A PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU NEED FOLLOW UP FROM A STAFF MEMBER, AND THERE'S STAFF MEMBERS HERE BUT THERE IS THAT VALUE IN HAVING THAT COMMENT CARDS, SAND BY NO MEANS DOES TH COMMENT CARDS REQUIRE YOU TO SAY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YOU CAN ADD WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU WANT OR LEAVE OUT WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU WANT. SO YOSH -- BUT I ALSO AGREE MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE SAY THAT THIS CAN'T -- THERE'S A TIME FRAME IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE-MINUTE. I FEEL -- DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND SO I DON'T KNOW CITY ATTORNEY HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT. IF UNTIL THE POINT THEY CAN WALK UP AND HAND IT TO THE CLERK AT THE TIME -- BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT COMMENT CARDS MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO WAS THAT IT WOULD CUT OFF, AND IF IT WAS WASN'T TURNED IN BY A CERTAIN TIME YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WE KNOW THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS DUMB UP AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THINGS AND AS ITEMS COME UP. THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ALSO. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT. >> NO ACTUALLY COMMENT CARDS WOULD BE ALLOWED UP UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO LET'S SAY IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. UP TO THAT TIME THAT PUBLIC HEARING CAME UP THEY COULD STILL SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD. THAT'S REALLY VERY HELPFUL IN A MEETING WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT A PERSON IS SWORN IN. IN THE JURISDICTIONS THERE WAS NO CUT-OFF. I DON'T RECOMMEND AS TO THE TIME. WHAT IF YOU HAVE TO PICK UP YOUR KIDS UP FROM SCHOOL BEFORE YOU CAN GET HERE ETCH OR SOMETHING COMES UP. ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. AS LONG AS IT'S DONE BY THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. >> IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO AS A VOLUNTARY -- LET'S SAY WE HAVE PROVIDED IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF IF YOU WANT YOUR COMMENT TO BE ADDED TO THE RECORD BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO FILL OUT THE A COMMENT CARPED. COULD IT AN OPTIONAL. IT'S THERE IN THE ROOM. IF SOMEONE WALKS IN THE ROOM. THEY WANT TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD OR AND NOT FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD COULD WE MAKE IT AN NUPTION NULL THING WHERE WE'RE NOT FORCING EVERYONE TO FILL OUT A FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD. AND/OR HEY CHECK OUT THE SPEED BUMPS ON SW SECOND STREET. IS THAT AN OPTION. >> IT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION. IT'S WITHIN THIS BOARD'S DISCRETION WHATEVER THEY PLEASE. MY RECOMMENDATION THOUGH AS YOUR LAWYER AND THAT'S ALL IT IS IS A RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT IF THAT WAS A HAPPY MEDIUM, MAYBE FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO GET A FOLLOW-UP, WHATEVER THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IT. IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION. >> I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE AN. IF THEY WANTED THEIR COMMENTS PUT IN THE RECORD OFFICIALLY THEN THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. THAT'S MY POSITION. I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY REQUIRE EVERYONE TO HAVE TO FILL THIS OUT. BUT MAKING IT AN OPTION IS KIND OF WHERE MY MIND IS SET. >> Mayor: THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. YOUR POINTS AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER CRUZ ARE WELL-TAKEN. I'M SO GLAD YOU DID BRING UP THE TIME CONSTRAINT. I THOUGHT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS THE 340ES COMPELLING ARGUMENT. WHAT IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID IT MAKES YOU THINK OF THEY SAID AND YOU WANT TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY. THEY CAN COME UP UNTIL THE VERY LAST PERSON. I WOULD SAY ALSO THAT I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF OPERATION IT WOULD BE SMOOTH IF WE DID HALF AND HALF. WE EITHER DO IT OR DON'T DO IT. A ALTERNATIVELY IF THAT ENDS UP BEING THE MAJORITY WILL OF THIS BOARD MAYBE THERE'S A GARRADUAL TRANSITION PERIOD. IT MIGHT CAUSE MORE CONFUSION, SAND UNNECESSARY DRAMA. BUT OKAY. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER HAY. YOUR THOUGHTS. >> AS FAR AS THE COMMENT CARDS ARE I'M AGAINST COMMENT CARDS. AND I LISTENED TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AS FAR AS FILLING OUT A C CARD. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CLERK'S POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE MANY T TIMESANCE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHEN THEY SAY THEIR NAME. I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF A HYBRID. BY THAT I MEAN FILL OUT A CARD IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. AND FWIF US PRINTED YOUR HANDWRITTEN NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M AGAINST THE ITEM BECAUSE JUST AS WAS STATED YOUR THOUGHTS MAY BE TRIGGERED BY SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING SAID. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF JUST FILLING OUT A CARD WITH NAME AND ADDRESS ON IT. AS FAR AS RECORDED FOR THE RECORD OR NOT, I THINK EVERYTHING IS DONE HERE ON THIS DAIS BY THIS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE RECORDED. THAT'S JUST EXTRA WORK FOR OUR CLERK MAINLY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT TO DETERMINE WHICH IS DID THEY PUT IN A CARD OR RECORDED OR NOT RECORDED. EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE UP HERE IS RECORDED. AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS 340ER8S -- MORE OR LESS IDENTIFYING BY NAME AND ADDRESS THE PERSON WHO'S SPEAKING. BUT BASICALLY BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM AT ANY TIME. SO TIME CONSTRAINT. SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR MORE OR LESS SOME TYPE OF HYBRID WHERE YOU SPECIFY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD. >> THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND IT'S NOT TO LIMIT THEM ON THAT. IT'S TO TWISH WHETHER YOU'RE SPEAKING ON A CONSENT ITEM OR SPEAKING ON A PUBLIC ITEM. THEY COULD CERTAINLY LEAVE THAT BLANK. IF THEY HAD A GENERAL ITEM ABOUT A HOT HOLE. THEY CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT. THAT WAS ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF IN AND SECTION THEY WERE GOING TO SPEAK. IF THEY WERE SPEAKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC ITEM. THEY CAN CERTAINLY CAN HAVE THE OPTION OF LEAVING THAT BLACHCK. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM IS NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE MAYOR ACTUALLY CONTROLS THAT WHEN THIS PERSON CAN SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OR THAT ITEM. AND THE MAYOR CONTROLS THAT. SO AS I STATED BEFORE I THINK THE RESOLUTION IS TO HAVE THE NAME AND ADDRESS. AND EVERYTHING REMAINS JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN BEFORE. >> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SECTION THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS THEY WANT THEIR COMMENT READ INTO WITH THE OPTION OF PUTTING THEIR WRITTEN COMMENT DOWN IN CASE THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK. THERE'S A BOX TO CHECK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW-UP. THEY DON'T HAVE TO FILL THAT OUT. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING LEGAL. IF IT'S NOT RECORDED, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THEM TO EVEN SPEAK. BECAUSE I MAY WANT TO GO BACK AND READ WHAT WAS SPOKEN. WHEN I GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DETERMINE THIS IS NOT PART OF THE RECORD. WHAT WHAT ARE WE SAYING HERE? >> I'M SORRY IF I'M MISSPEAKING. YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THESE COMMENT CARDS TO SAY I DON'T LIKE THE POTHOLES ON SUCH AND SUCH STREET. PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH ME. WE WOULD TAKE THAT CARD AND SHE WOULD ACTUALLY READ IT INTO THE RECORD. SO BAILEY WOULD BE SPEAKING THAT PERSON'S COMMENTS. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY OR MAYBE THEY AREN'T ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HEARING IMPAIRMENT OR SPEECH IMPEDIMENT. IN MY VIEW IT'S OPENING UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE MINUIMAL INFORMATION IF THI BOARD COULD BE THE NAME AND ADDRESS. >> HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT NOW? >> WE DON'T HANDLE THAT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MECHANISM. >> SO I MEAN -- >> HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DON'T COMPLAIN? >> IF THEY REALLY HAVE SOMETHING THEY WANT TO GET THROUGH THEY CAN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE SAY IT. IT SHOULD NOT BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. WHY AMUAY TRYING TO MAKE IT A PROBLEM NOW. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S BEEN WORKING. IF IT'S NOT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. THE ONLY THING IS GETTING THE NAME AND ADDRESS. AND THAT'S MY SOLUTION. MA >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER TURKIN YOUR THOUGHTS ON COMMENT CARDS. >> YES. FIRST OF ALL THERE'S ALSO SLANDERED AND IN SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY MEETING G FOR YOU. SO HERE'S THE THING. THE COMMENT CARDS IN HEARING BOTH SIDES. MAYBE A SIGN IN SHEET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ANYONE CAN COME UP. OBVIOUSLY I'M PRO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M NOT PRO HATE SPEECH. I'M NOT PRO ISOLATING A DEMOGRAPHIC OF INDIVIDUALS OR CALLING PEOPLE OUT BY NAME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT SPEECH THAT FREE SPEECH BUT WE CAN'T ALLOW FOR PRO HATE SPAEMP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. TAKING A STPEP BACK AND LOOKING AT THIS. HOW WHETHER IT'S YOU MAYOR OR THE CHAIR OR ANYONE IDENTIFY WHAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY UNTIL THEY GET UP. SOMEONE COULD GO UP THERE AND START SPEAKING AND TRYING TO I DON'T KNOW INCITE A RIOT. WE'VE SEEN WHAT POLITICAL RHETORIC DOES. WE'VE SEEN IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. WE'VE HAD AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT. I DEFINITELY CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. IT 3509S THE CHAIR IN A DIFFICULT POSITION TO THEN SAY NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. PLEASE STOP. AND AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DRAW THE LINE. THAT YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO TALKING ABOUT. THIS HATE SPEECH. IS THIS SLANDER OR ISOLATING THE COUNTY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY. I'M IN DIFDIFFERENT. BUT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMENT CARDS ARE GOING TO REALLY BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE THINK THEY COULD BE. SEA I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE THAT CHECK YES. WE CALL THEM. IT'S FOR POTHOLES OR WHATEVER ELSE. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CALL THE PERSON UP. AND THEN YOU KNOW ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COMMENT CARDS RIGHT NOW. >> Mayor: I WOULD PREFER THAT. SO WE TACKLE THIS PIECE BY PIECE. >> MAYBE JUST A SIGN IN SHEET. MAYBE GETS PEOPLE'S NAME AND ADDRESSES. >> THEIR >> Mayor: WHAT I'M HEARING FROM ALL OF YOU. WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR NO FROM COMMISSIONER CRUZ, AND WE HAVE SOME INDIFFERENCE. THE POINT THERE'S NO ONE THAT IS TRUONG-LE ADVOCATING THEM. AS SUCH I'M INTERPRETING THAT TO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS. I'M NOT HEARING ANY OBJECTIONS THAT. THE OBJECTION IS CLEAR NOT TO HAVE COMMENT CARDS. THE NOW THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THE SCOPE OF WHICH THAT WE ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTION AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FRONT OF THE AGENDA, IT SAYS HERE UNDER PUBLIC AUDIENCE ANY CITIZEN MAYBE BE HEARD ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION. SO THE QUESTION CAME ABOUT AND AGAIN MY COLLEAGUES WILL CHIME IN A MINUTE. DO WE MAINTAIN THAT REQUIREMENT THAT IT WOULD NOT THE JURISDICTION OF THE SCOPE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OR DO WE ALLOW IT TO BE BASICALLY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PREVIOUSLY IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD YOU GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THAT. IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH THE STATE LAW. YOU FOE TO YOUR STATE SENATOR. IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER SO ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING. YOU ZOOMING IT IS NOT HATE SPEECH. AND IT IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M PUTTING BEFORE YOU. LET'S GO AROUND THE DAIS ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> EITHER WAY I NEED TO HEAR IT YOU FROM YOU. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN. >> VICE MAYOR. >> I THINK THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO SPEAK IN A CERTAIN SCOPE OR A CERTAIN ON A CERTAIN ROAD PER SE OR A TOPIC. I THINK PUBLIC COMMENT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WOULD WE LOVE FOR TO LIMIT WHAT'S GOING IN OUR CITY OR WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL EVER. AT THE SAME TIME IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM SPEAK IN A PUBLIC FORUM. MY POSITION HAS BEEN CLEAR THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOCK DARK AS LONG AS YOU'RE BEING RESPECTFUL AND YOU CAN SPEAK WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. AND WE ARE -- IT'S A PUBLIC SETTING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY STARTS THEIR CONVERSATION IF THEY'RE GOING TO END UP TALKING ABOUT THE TREES ON THE LAWRENCE ROAD. SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF -- ALTHOUGH MAYBE THE DIRECTION IS NOT WHERE WE FORESEE IT DEPEING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END IS GOING TO BE. I ERR ON THE SIDE WHY SHOULD I BE OR YOU BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO DECIDE OR BE THE JUDGE IN A SITUATION TO JUDGE IN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING FALLS WITHIN OUR CITY JURISDICTION. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A WIDE KIND OF BLANKET AND ALTHOUGH IT'S MAYBE SPECIFICALLY NOT, WE ARE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. SO I FEEL LIKE IT JUST EVERYTHING TRICKLES DOWN TO US. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. ADVICE PRAYER I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS. I'M INDIFFERENT AS A CHAIR. I WILL ENFORCE WHATEVER THE RULES THAT THIS BODY DECIDES. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR. WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATIONS. FOR YEARS EVEN PRIOR TO ME BEING MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPINION AND YOUR CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER HAY OR CRUZ ORATOR KIN. >> SURE. I'LL SPEAK. AS FAR AS PUBLIC AUDIENCE I THINK PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. GIVE THEM THE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON. I FEEL THAT THE AGENDA ITEMS YOU ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK ON THAT AS YOU CALL THEM. BUT YOU -- A LOT OF THEM WILL SPEAK FOR THE THREE MINUTES. >> Mayor: ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. >> ON THE AGENDA ITEMS WHEN WE GET TO THAT AGENDA ITEM. >> Mayor: YES. WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> AS FAR AS THE LEGAL SECTION, BEFORE I RELATE TO THAT. ON THE FIRST READING LEGAL ITEMS THERE'S NO PUBLIC INPUT. ONLY ON THE SECOND READING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WAS PUBLIC AUDIENCE ALLOWED. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT OPERATE. WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC AUDIENCE, SO ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. >> Mayor: YES. >> PUBLIC AUDIENCE IS ALSO COVERS CONSENT ITEMS OR RESOLUTIONS. >> SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT'S COVERED IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT. NO PROBLEM. OTHER THAN THAT, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WE ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK WHEN WE COME TO THAT ITEM. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAY. I DO NEED CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ABOUT PUBLIC AUDIENCE. THE PERIOD IN THE AGENDA ABOUT NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND CONSENT. DURING THAT TIME WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAINTAIN IT AS PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE ABOUT ANYTHING. IT COULD BE NATIONAL THINGS. IT COULD BE SCHOOL BOARD >> TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST THEY'RE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHETHER IT BE ON CITY BUSINESS OR SAYING THE LORD'S PRAYER THEY'VE GOT THREE MINUTES AND THEY'RE ENTITLED TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. SO I JUST FEEL THAT PUBLIC AUDIENCE YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES AND YOU SPEAK WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY. IT'S NOT A Q & A TIME. >> Mayor: PTHAT IS RIGHT. >> HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE A FOLLOW-UP ON THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP. WE HAVE A TENDENCY THEY SPEAK WHAT THEY WANT, AND IT'S CONSIDERED LEGIT TYPE OF COMMENTS. BUT THERE'S NOTHING DONE, AND THEN IN MY MIND I'M THINKING THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO A BETTER JOB. NOT SAYING WE DON'T. I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF RESPONDING TO THOSE ITEMS THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBILITY UNDER PUBLIC AUDIENCE. >> Mayor: WHAT I'M HEARING THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS WILLING TO EXTEND THE SCOPE TO LITERALLY ANYTHING. ASSUMING ANYTHING NOT HATE SPEECH, INSULTS ALL OF THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NATIONAL POLITICS. >> I DO WANT TO SAY THIS ONE THING. THAT IF IT GOES SOUTH I THINK YOU AS THE MAYOR NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN. I'M GETTING TIRED OF BEING CALLED THE F-BOMB AND EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING FROM THE CHILD OF GOD UP HERE. AND THERE'S NOTHING SAID OR NOTHING DONE ABOUT IT. IT'S TOO SELECTIVE. SOMETIMES YOU SAY SOMETHING. TIMES WE DON'T. WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN HERE KNOWS YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TAPES ON THE NUMEROUS TIMES NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT OTHERS EVEN STAFF HAVE BEEN CALLED NAMES THAT SHOULD BE BE ALLOWED. AND YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU READ YOU SHOULD ENFORCE IT MORE. >> Mayor: YES. COMMISSIONER I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. CERTAINLY I'M NOT PERFECT AS A CHAIR OR AS A HUMAN BEING. I DO STRIVE TO DO THAT. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES WHEREVER I FAIL TO DO THAT BE IT KNOWN YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK UP. AND YOU CAN DO THAT MAYOR, THE COMMENT THAT WAS SAID WAS ACTUALLY AN INSULT. IT WAS A DEROGATORY TERM. LET ME KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SAY THAT CALMLY AND PEACEFULLY I WILL ENFORCE THE RULES. I DO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR ANYTHING OF MY SHORTCOMING. BUT I RELY ON ALL OF YOU AS MY COLLEAGUES TO SPEAK UP. >> I'LL TAKE IT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S CONTINUE TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONER CRUZ AND TURKIN. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> I'M OKAY WITH HAVING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SOMETIMES I DO KNOW WE HAVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE FIRST READING, AND WE DON'T HAVE USUALLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR FIRST READING. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. IN A GENERAL SENSE IN A PERFECT WORLD YES EVERYONE WOULD COME IN AND TALK ABOUT CITY JURISDICTION, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IDEAL. HOWEVER, SOMETIMES AS COMMISSIONER KELLY STATED EARLIER IT'S DIFFICULT TO DISCERN WHAT THE NEXT WORD IS GOING TO BE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, AND THEY COULD START WITH A THOUGHT AND MAYBE FINISH WITH ANOTHER THOUGHT. I THINK IT PUTS YOU IN A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO TRY TO DISCERN THAT. IT'S A REALLY TOUGH CALL. I WOULD BE BE BILLING TO SPEAK TO SPEAK ON THAT. AS LONG AS IT'S RESPECTFUL. ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO ADD DO WE WANT TO DEFINE WHAT -- I MEAN WE DON'T WANT DO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT AN INSULT. IS SAYING SOMETHING LET'S SAY COMMISSIONER CRUZ I CALLED YOU AND YOU DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. THAT'S NOT AN INSULT PER SE. IT'S SAYING WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT A COMMENT. SO IT'S ALSO NOT FAIR TO YOU FOR US TO SAY WELL YOU DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS AN INSULT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN TAKE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAYS. UNLESS IT'S VERY EXPLICIT. >> Mayor: IT WOULD NEVER BE MY INTENT FOR YOU TO BE ATTACKED. AS SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN ATTACKED MANY TIMES. THERE MIGHT BE AGAIN I COULD BE MISTAKEN. THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENCE IN INTERPRETATION. YOU JUST BROUGHT UP AN EXAMPLE. LET'S USE ME AS AN EXAMPLE ABOUT MY PUBLIC ROLE, THE MAYOR IS THIS, AND HE'S NOT DOING THIS, HE'S NOT ANSWERING MY EMAIL OR IT'S ABOUT MY PUBLIC JOB I THINK THAT'S FAIR GAME. IT'S NOT ABOUT OH MAYOR THY'S PERSONAL LIFE. THAT'S ALWAYS PERSONAL. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT ALLOWING THE MAXIMUM LEEWAY FOR FLEE DUMB OF SPEECH. ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, AND CONTINUE TO SAY IT MORE AND MORE WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE POD IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH YOUR COMMISSIONER YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS IT TO THEM. ADDRESS IT TO THE BODY THROUGH ME AS THE CHAIR. BRING IT TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING DIRECTED TOWARDS ME SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DIRECTED. I DIDN'T APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF DID, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE WHAT THE MAYOR DID OR DID NOT DO. HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD LESSON THESE MISUNDERSTANDINGS. SHOULD I DROP THE BALL. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK A POINT OF ORDER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. AND OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S SOMEBODY BEING CALLED WORDS, THAT ARE INSULTING THAT OBVIOUSLY SOME WORDS WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE WORDS IN THE WORLD OR NOR DO WE COME FROM THE SAME PLACES. IN A GENERAL SENSE THE COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A POINT OF ORDER, I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS OFFENDING ME AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO STOP. >> M >> Mayor: QUITE FRANKLY I'VE BEEN ATTACKED AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. I'VE ALWAYS HAD A THICK SKIN. COMMISSIONER TURKIN. WE HAVE THREE CLEAR VOTES TO PROCEED. HOWEVER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND CHIME ON THIS MATTER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE. >> DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. YOU BEING LEADER YOU TOOK ACTABLE AND YOU APOLOGIZED TO COMMISSIONER HAY. THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO GET IT BETTER. I NEED TO GET BETTER TOO. COVANTA HANDLED THAT. I AGREE LET THOSE THREE MINUTES LET ANYONE SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WANT UNLESS IT'S HATE SPEECH OR TRYING TO INCITE A RIOT OR TARGET A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO ADDRESS THE BODY AS A WHOLE, AND YOU KEEP THAT CONSISTENT. I THINK YOU ELIMINATE THE INSULTS. IT I THINK YOU ELIMINATE TARGETING SOMEBODY. THAT GOES FOR STAFF AS WELL. CITY STAFF AND THE BOARD WHERE THAT SHOULD BE. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. BUT YOU KNOW NO ONE PERSONALLY LIFE SHOULD BE ATTACKED. THAT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT. WE'RE ALL COMMUNITY LEADERS. WE ALL LIVE HERE. IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. WE HAVE TO DO THAT AS A COMMUNITY. NOT AS THE PEOPLE VERSIONS THE COMMISSION. NOT AS THE COMMISSION VERSIONS THE PEOPLE. WE ARE A COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT. WE COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, RELIGION AND RACE AND CREED. AND SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO GET PERSONALLY ATTACKED, AND YOU HAVE MY WORD SOMEBODY ATTACKS YOU I'M GOING TO DO A POINT OF ORDER. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TURKIN. WE'RE NOW MOVING TO THE LAST PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. WHICH IS THE AGENDA FORMAT. PUBLISHED THE AGENDA TER IN IT INTO TWO HALVES. DO YOU WANT THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO COMBINE THEM AT THE BEGINNING. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN. YES THE LAST MEETING THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED WITH TWO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS. MY QUESTION DO YOU WANT THAT OR DO YOU WANT THERE TO BE ONLY ONE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING. YOUR THOUGHTS EITHER WAY. WHAT IS YOUR PREFER UN >> MY THOUGHTS IS ONE PUBLIC AUDIENCE. >> Mayor: AT THE BEGINNING. >> LIKE IT HAS BEEN. I DON'T LIKE IT AT THE END. THERE'S A WORKING CLASS OF PEOPLE THAT NEEDS TO GO HOME. SOMETIMES WE STAY UNTIL THE WEE HOURS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR PEOPLE TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING. LET IT STAY LIKE IT IS. ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor: YOUR THOUGHTS VICE MAYOR. >> I MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS MY THOUGHT. MY ONLY WHAT CAME UP IN HAVING US MANY CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT, WAS THAT PEOPLE THINK OF THINGS DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING, AND THEN THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CIRCLE BACK ALSO AND MAKE A COMMENT KNOWN THAT OR MAYBE THEY COMMENTED ON AN ITEM THEN WAS SCU DISCUSSED, AND NOW THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER. I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE CONSENT IF IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM, HAVING THAT IF THEY'RE COMING TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT AND THEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END THAT ARE JUST IN GENERAL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HAVE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR YOUR COMMENT HAY, THEN THEY CAN LEAVE. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT WE'VE RUN WE'RE THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GONE THAT SPOKE ABOUT AN ISSUE. AND STAFF IS UP HERE. I THINK WE JUST -- I AM FINE WITH STAYING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC CONCERNS WHEN EVERYONE IS FWAUN. BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD AND I SAID THIS DURING MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMENT CARDS WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO MEETINGS A COUPLE OF MEETINGS IN ROW I WAS HERE LAST MEETING AND I COMPLAINED ABOUT X, Y AND Z BUT THEN THEY LEFT AFTER THAT COMMENT AND THERE WAS ANY CONNECTION WITH STAFF. MAYBE THEY -- BECAUSE IT'S OPTIONAL TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS. THEN HOW DO IS THIS FOLLOW-UP. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. STAFF I WOULD JUST MAYBE WE LOOK AT SOME SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THOSE ISSUE, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER TURKIN SAID SUGGESTED SOME SORT OF SIGN UP SHEET. MAYBE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE PLEASE SIGN CASH DASH YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. IT'S DIFFICULT ALSO TO SEND WHEN THEY'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT IT'S NOT A Q & A. THEN TO DIRECT STAFF TO HELP OR TO ASSIST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TURNS INTO A STAFF MEMBER IS DESIGNATED AS THAT CONTACT PERSON. YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AS FAR AS WE DO HANDLE THOSE FOLLOW-UPS. WE HAVE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATIONS. WE'VE LEFT THINGS AS THEY ARE AND THEN THE MEETINGS ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S NO FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF MESSY. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS IN PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M FINE WITH THEM AT THE BEGINNING. I AGREE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK THEIR MIND OR SPEND IT HERE OR GO HOME. BUT I RESERVE MY THE RIGHT TO CHANGE MY MIND. >> JUST ONE STATEMENT AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT WE JUST SAID THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT CONSENT AGENDA UP FRONT AND ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THEY SPEAK THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN THEY SPEAK ON THAT >> PUBLIC AUDIENCE IS FOR AS IT CURRENTLY IS IT'S ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR A ROOS LOOKINGS. >> FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WERE TO PULL A CONSENT ITEM THERE'S STILL NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT CONSENT ITEM. >> ON THOSE OTHER ITEMS THEY WILL KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL TO STAY HERE TO UNTIL THAT ITEMS UP AND >> IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ON. >> RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM WAY DOWN HERE ON 9A OR SOMETHING. THEY WOULD WHEN IT COMES UP. THE MAYOR ARE STATED WOULD ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT. >> Mayor: YES AS WE NORMALLY. NEW BUSINESS THAT IS A RESOLUTION. >> IF IT'S A DISCUSSION. >> Mayor: NOT FIRST READING. FINAL VOTING ON A NEW ITEM. THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT PERIOD. IN THE BEGINNING PUBLIC AUDIENCE THAT PORTION IS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS WHICH WE JUST AGREED TO OPEN THE SCOPE TO ANYTHING AND ALSO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS EARLY ON IN THE MEETING. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. COMMISSIONER CRUZ YOUR HAND IS UP. >> I'M FINE WITH HAVING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. I DO UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO HANDLE CITY BUSINESS, AND AT SOMETIMES WE COULD HAVE A PACKED ROOM. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE A PACKED ROOM AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT MIGHT BE THREE HOURS LONG OR AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE US DOING BUSINESS WOULD BE KIND OF CHALLENGED OR IT WOULD BE AS APPROPRIATE AS IT SHOULD BE. THEN AT THAT POINT AT THAT TIME WE CAP IT TO A ONE HOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING AS WE STATED BEFORE. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE END FOR ANY ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ASSUMING IT'S A LARGE AUDIENCE, AND -- BUT FOR AN AUDIENCE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY I THINK EVERYONE COULD BE REASONABLY SPEAK WITHIN A ONE HOUR PERIOD. WE COME IN HERE. AND WE REALIZE THE ROOM IS PACKED. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HERE. AT THAT POINT THEN THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE DO WE WANT TO DO THIS TODAY AND CAP IT TO AN HOUR SO WE CAN GET BUSINESS DONE QUICKLY AND OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ON FIRST READING AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE -- IF IT'S NOT A CONSENT AND NOT ON FIRST READING WE WOULDN'T HAVE TECHNICALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M WOULD SAY. >> Mayor: YOU ACTUALLY BRING UP A GREAT POINT WHICH IS ABOUT TIME IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. LISTEN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M INCLINED I'M VERY MUCH VERY CLOSE TO AGREEING WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT TO DO. I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE, AND NOBODY WANTS TO BE HERE AT MIDNIGHT. AND NOBODY WOULD AGREE THAT MAKING DECISIONS AT MIDNIGHT OR 2:00 A.M. IS GOOD FOR THE CITY IN ANY WAY. NO GOOD DECISIONS ARE MADE WHEN IT'S SUPER LATE. AND WE'RE TIRED AR WORKING. FOR THE SAKE OF DOING BUSINESS FOR THE CITY AND LET'S SAY THERE'S 50 PEOPLE WE'VE HAD THOSE RARE BUT IT IT'S HAPPENED. DO THE RESIDENTSED WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A FAIR COMPROMISE. THE ONLY AREA WHERE I DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CRUZ WE ONLY ENACT THOSE RULES WHEN THERE'S A LARGE CROWD CAN YOU IMAGINE THE REACTION OF THAT LARGE CROWD NOW THEY WILL FEEL SLIGHTED WE'RE DOING SOMETHING JUST FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING CITY BUSINESS AT MIDNIGHT. THAT'S WHERE I'M. COMMISSIONER TURKIN I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU YET. LET'S COME TO YOU. >> YES. NO. S SIMPLE COMMISSIONER MADE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING. AND WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST AS NEEDED. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. WE CAN ADJUST THE AGENDA IF WE NEED TO. IF THERE'S MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS. PEOPLE VISITING TO MAKE PRESENTATION WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE EQUITABLE AND FAIR TO EVERYONE. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. ANY FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS. IT SOUNDS WE CAN CONSENSUS TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING. >> THERE'S ONE MORE TIME. ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALLOWED AND STARTED DURING COVID BY THE GOVERNOR. AT THAT TIME COMMISSIONERS COULD ALSO APPEAR ONLINE. SINCE THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN AWAY THE ABILITY DAKOTA DASH YOU CAN CERTAINLY APPEAR OR WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER TURKIN NOT TO BE PRESENT. HOWEVER THAT IS NO LONGER APPROPRIATE AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN AWAY THE ABILITY. SINCE THAT TIME MANY JURISDICTIONS CAN TAKEN AWAY ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO YOU NEED TO DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. >> MAYOR IF I MAY. MA >> Mayor: YES YOU MAY. >> THAT'S RELATED TO VOTING. >> YES. MY POINT WAS JUST TO SAY THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T ALLOWED TO APPEAR ONLINE. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER TURKIN. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. >> I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE IDENTIFY USEFUL TOOLS ON UNCHARTED SITUATIONS. SO I THINK IT WAS EITHER VICE MAYOR KELLY OR COMMISSIONER CRUZ THERE'S A LOT OF SENIORS THAT CAN'T MAKE IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DISABILITIES THAT CAN'T MAKE IT HERE. MAYBE THEY'RE BUSY WITH KIDS AND FAMILY, AND THIS ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THAT AWAY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE BUT WILLING. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> YES. THANK YOU I DO AGREE WITH THAT. TO FOLLOW UP WHAT I SAID EARLIER. SPECIFICALLY I KNOW A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS WE HAVE A HIGH POPULATION OF SENIORS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR SENIORS ARE HEARD. AND BUT NOT ONLY SENIORS BUT DISABLED. A DD COMPLIANT. AND EVEN FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ALL DIE, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT AS WELL. FOR THE SAKE WHO MIGHT BE A DISABILITY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE ALLOW ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT. A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE SEEN IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S NOT HOURS AND HOURS LONG. BUT I THINK THOSE PEOPLE MATTER AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO SPEAK AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. >> I'M SORRY. A CLARIFICATION JUST TO CLARIFY. SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO EVERYONE FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED A REASONABLE ACAME DATION. FOR EVERYONE. >> THE REASON WHY LIKE FOR US WE HAVE A BIT A MORE SOLID FOUPTION OF KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S CONSENT AGENDA WHAT'S FIRST READING. BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TREE NOT ALL AWARE OF HOW THE RULES WORK. FIRST AND SECOND READINGS OR RULES AT WHAT POINT YOU CAN MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. JUST TO BE REASONABLE WITH PEOPLE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK AS THEY NEED TO. I THINK IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE NEED THEY PROBABLY TACHÉ DEPASH WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER TURKIN. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY EVERYONE AS WELL. >> YES. EVERYONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD TRY TO IDENTIFY THAT. I SEE THAT GOING DOWN A DARK PATH. SO EVERYONE. MA >> M >> Mayor: ANYTHING ELSE FROM MY COLLEAGUES. VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER HAY >> I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERYONE SPEAKING ON ONLINE. I DO HAVE A FEELING ABOUT COMMISSIONERS WHO DECIDE JUST NOT TO COME BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. I THINK IT'S PART OF A COST AS BEING A COMMISSIONER. IF YOU'RE NOT SICK OR OUT OF TOWN OR HAVE A REASON YOU MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO BE HERE. I DO FEEL IF YOU'RE NOT HERE YOU CAN COMMENT AND SPEAK ON AN ITEM BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. AND YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT IN ORDER TO VOTE BUT YOU CAN PEAK ON MANY ITEMS. BUT AS FAR AS EVERYBODY HAVING ONLINE ABILITIES TO SPEAK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM ACCORDING TO THE RULES WE JUST SET UP, YES LET'S KEEP IT EVERYBODY. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING ELSE. >> NO. I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST OUT OF THE AREA, AND THEY'RE PEEKING JUST TO SPEAK. I WANT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SENIORS AND OUR DISABLED RESIDENTS AND THAT SOMETIMES WE GET PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR CITY THEY'RE JUST SPEAKING TO SPEAK. THAT'S FINE. I'M FINE WITH KEEPING ONLINE COMMENTS. >> Mayor: SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU THAT VICE MAYOR. >> CITY MANAGER. >> IRRELEVANT >> Mayor: MAYOR LET'S DO IT. IF YOU BELIEVE I MADE A MISTAKE IN SUMMARIZING. COMMENT CARDS IT WAS A NO. PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE DECIDED TO REMOVE THE LIMITATION ON THE SCOPE OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO HEAR UNDER PUBLIC AUDIENCE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE ALSO GREAT DEALED TO KEEP PUBLIC COMMENT AS ONE DURATION IN THE DEPINGE OF THE MEETING. AND IN TERMS OF ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THE TOPICS DISCUSSED. DID I MISS ANYTHING OR DID I MISSUMMARIZE ANYTHING? >> DO WE HAVE CLARITY ON COMMISSIONER VOTING WHEN THEY'RE PRESENT OR NOT PRESENT. >> YOUR STATEMENT IS CORRECT UNDER THE CURRENT LAW. A COMMISSIONER CAN APPEAR, AND SPEAK AND DISCUSS AN ITEM. THEY CANNOT VOTE UNLESS IT'S FOR A DOCUMENTED EXTREME MEDICAL HARDSHIP AND THAT WOULD BE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL ENACT THESE RULES STARTING NOW. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION THAT MEANS PUBLIC AUDIENCE WE WILL PROCEED NOW. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. THAT IS A TIME FOR YOU TO BE HEARD. YOU WILL ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO ME OR TO THE BODY THROUGH ME. YOU ARE TALKING TO ME. YOU ARE NOT DIRECTING IT TO ANYONE ELSE. LET ME SWITCH THE TIMER. STATE YOUR NAME. YOU MAY >> SUSAN OYER. I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE MY ADDRESS. SO YAY POWER TO THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING UP HERE TONIGHT. WHAT I'M PASSING SOMEONE IN CODE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COURTESY NOTICE WHICH IS PROBABLY NEVER THE RIGHT CHOICE. SO A LITTLE HISTORY. THIS IS ABOUT THE GRAVEL I HAVE IN MY DRIVEWAY AND FRONT YARD. IN 2018 AND MAERYL REMEMBER THI. YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A ECOFRIENDLY DRIVEWAY. AND YOU ADMITTED YOU HAD SEEN A VIDEO AND HOW FWRAT THIS IS. AT SOME POINT THAT SPRING AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE BOARD. AND BUT IT'S NOT IN IN THE MINUTES OR NOT ON AGENDA. IT WAS APPROVED TO HAVE ME TO HAVE THIS GRAVEL SYSTEM DRIVEWAY. WELL IN 2022 I SAVED ENOUGH ENOUGH MONEY. THE PERMITS ON 8/16/22. RIGHT THERE I'M HAVING OH IRIS CASTILLO WHO'S COMPLAINING ABOUT MY GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. I HAVE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 12 YEARS. THERE'S A HOUSE IN FOREST PARK I'VE BEEN USED TO WALK BY AS A CHILD. IT'S BEEN THERE 50 YEARS. AND IT'S ALL CACTUS AND DEPRALVE. NEVER HAS THAT PERSON BEEN HARASSED AND I HAVE NO GRASS MOO ON MY FRONT YARD. MY FRONT YARD WAS NOTHING BUT SAND AND WEEDS WHEN I MOVED IN 12 YEARS CAN. MY FRONT YARD IS ALL GRAVEL. AND GUESS WHAT I HAVE HUNDREDS OF FLOWERS. SO NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT MY YARD BEING UGLY. SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND SOMETHING WITHDRAWNING WITH MY YARD. I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THIS PERSON. AND ABOUT HAVING ARTIFICIAL TURF. WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU A VARIETY OF THING. THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE BY ANY MEANS. THIS IS WHAT I CAN QUICKLY FIND. THE 2008 STATUTES. THE 2011 STATUTES. A LETTER FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY AND THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, AND CONSE CONSERVATION ACT. AND I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO PATRICK HART. BECAUSE HE'S USUALLY VERY RESPONSIVE. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: NEXT PERSON. BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS BRAUGHER BRIE REEDY. TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER TO COMMISSIONER CRUISE AND COMMISSIONER HAY FOR ASKING VERY PERTINENT QUESTIONS AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING. ORDINANCES ARE THE RULES. BOYNTON BEACH RULES FOR BOYNTON BEACH. AND THESE PROCESSES HAVE BEEN WELL-ESTABLISHED PROTOCOLS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THERE WERE TWO TIMES THAT WERE DROPPED FROM THAT JULY 2ND AGENDA. ONE WAS AN AGENDA THAT WAS ADDED TO THAT AGENDA BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. AS AN UPDATE ON THE E2L ISSUE UNDER THE LEGAL CATEGORY ON THE AGENDA. SOME OF US WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT UPDATE THAT THE ATTORNEY PLANNED TO GIVE AT SOME POINT. I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN A SUGGESTION TO DEAL WITH THE ENORMOUS TO BE DETERMINED LIST THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED ON AGENDA AFTER AGENDA AFTER AGENDA PERHAPS IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD PARCEL OUT THE LIST OF -- MOST OF THEM ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE. PARCEL THEM OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT AND GET ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE AFTER ALL EVERYONE DESERVES TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. EVEN COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER ON THE OTHER PODIUM. >> MACK McCRAY. FORMER COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY OF BOYNTBOYNTON. COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT 2 WALKS UP AND DURING THE EETTE I DISCUSSION. BUT I TOOK THAT CLASS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND SIR YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU NEED TO CORRECT UP. THERE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR AGENDA. MAYOR YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHEN THIS WAS PUT ON. WHEN IT WAS PUT UP. NOBODY READ IT TO THE CITIZENS. THEY SAID IT'S FOUND ON THE SECOND PAGE. WE ARE NOT IN A CLASSROOM SETTING. YOU WANT US TO RESPECT YOU. YOU HAVE TO RESPECT US. WE PAY YOUR MONEY AND WE EXPECT THINGS IN RETURN. IN RETURNS TO THE ATTORNEY SAYING THEY WANTS SOMETHING TO DO. HOPE HOPEFULLY SHE WANTS TO LOOK AT THESE LAWSUITS. SHE'S A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE DOES AND I DON'T CARE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING MY MONEY'S WORTH ADDRESSING EVERYTHING TO YOU. WHEN YOU READ ABOUT THIS DO YOU HAVE A DECORUM FOR YOU ALL UP HERE. THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY YOU ALL THE POLICE LIKE TO TAKE THE CITIZENS OUT. THEY SHOULD HAVE ESCORTED THE TWO OF YOU IT. VICE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT 2 WHEN THE TWO OF YOU WERE NOT WITH AN EXCELLENT AND YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. >> GOOD EVENING. FIRST OFF THANKS A LOT FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I'M THANKING THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THE EMBER IS STILL THERE. HE WOULDN'T BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT OOH FOUNDATION. NONE OF YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU WOULDN'T GO ON A HIKE WITHOUT A MAP AND COMPASS. BUT YOU'D RUN A CITY FOR TWO YEARS HUNDREDS MILLION BUDGET WITHOUT THE SAME THING. NO ROADMAP. NO GOALS. NO VISIONS NO PLANS WE'RE IN THE END OF OUR SECOND BUDGET CYCLE WITHOUT THE FOUNDATION, WITHOUT THE COMPASS, WITHOUT THE ROADMAP. I GUESS WHEN I STARRED TALKING ABOUT IN APRIL OF 2023. YOU GUYS WERE NEW. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF VA VALUE. EVERY OTHER COMPANY HAS THOUGHT OF IT. AND MOST CITIES AND MOST GOVERNMENTS AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD HAVE DONE IT. THE BOOKS STARTING COMING OUT IN THE LATE 1800s. HAVING CLEAR GOALS AND VISIONS. NOT ONE PERSON CAN TELL THE 80,000 RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY WHERE WE'RE GOING. NOT ONE. NOT THE CITY MANAGER. AND NOT THE COMMISSIONERS AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU DEPIS. THIS IS SIMPLE STUFF. COMMUNICATE AND START WRITE IT DOWN. IF YOU DON'T ENVISION IT AND PLANET AND GOALS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. FOUNDATION, A COMPASS A MAP WE CAN DO THIS. IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED. IT DOES NOT NEED A CONSULTANT. YOU'RE MAKING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN DO THIS. DO IT. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THE RESOURCES. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THE GOALS. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE ANYTHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE IN THE HECK YOU'RE GOING. THE COMPASS THE FOUNDATION, THE ROADMAP. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME KEEP COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT YEAR. PLEASE TELL THE PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE DOING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS YEAR AFTER YEAR. WHERE ARE WE GOING. LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD, AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE TAKING THIS PLACE. NOT JUST ONE BUT THE OTHER 79,000 WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO. >> Mayor: NEXT SPEAKER. S CINDY CORRADO. YOU DID THE RIGHT THINK BY CHOOSING TO UPHOLD THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH. YOU DO UNDERSTAND WE DO PAY YOUR SALARIES AND WE DO HAVE THINGS TO SAY. AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE DILEMMA ABOUT PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR ADDRESS OR WAY TO GET BACK TO THEM. AND SOMEONE HAD A SITUATION SHE COULD SAY PLEASE TAKE THIS AND FILL OUT SO WE CAN GET YOUR INFORMATION AND WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. ALSO YOU HAVE EMAILS THAT'S ON THE RECORD. IF YOU'RE RIGHTING TO YOUR COMMISSIONERS AND YOU'RE TELLING THEM YOUR ISSUES YOU CAN STILL TALK TO YOUR COMMISSIONERS. THOSE ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIONS. ME AMERICANS. WE ARE YOUR BOSSES. I KNOW YOU DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. BUT WE DO PAY YOUR SALARIES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE TAX DOLLARS THAT PAYS YOUR BILLS. WE WANT THE SAME RESPECT THAT YOU WANT. WHEN SOMEONE CALLS THE CITY MANAGER A PECKERWOOD AND CALLS ME AN INDIGENT AND IT'S NOT HEARD BY THE PERSON THAT'S THE CHAIR BUT SEND SOMEBODY TO BEAT ME UP AND IT'S UNFATHOMABLE. NOT HEAR NAUPT THE FIRST TIME BUT OTHER TIMES SHUPT THE MIC OFF. THOSE ARE VERY RUDE AND VERY DISRESPECTFUL. I'M OLDER: AND PROBABLY NOT YOU BUT MOST OF YOU. AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR RESPECT. YOU WANT RESPECT YOU GIVE RESPECT. AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT WE'RE SITTING OUT HERE. AND WHAT WE SEE AND HEAR SOMETIMES. OUR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO. SO WHEN YOU'RE PAY MAKING YOUR DECISIONS. GET TO THE POINT. IT'S VERY HARD TO SIT OUT HERE WHEN YOU HEAR THE SAME THING 10 DIFFERENT WAYS. OUR TIME IS VALUABLE. JUST LIKE YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE. RESPECT THAT WE WORK HARD TO PAY YOUR BILLS TO GIVE YOU A SALARY AND YOU WERE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO REPRESENT WHO. WE THE PEOPLE. ALL I ASK THAT YOU DO THAT WITH RESPECT AND HONOR. WE'RE ALL CREATED IN THE IM UM OF GOD. IF YOU SHADE THAT I BEIGE THEN YOU'RE CREATING THE DECISION. THAT'S NOT UNITY. UNITY WE'RE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. I SHOULD TREAT YOU MUCH BETTER. I SHOULD LAY MY LIFE DOWN. AND THEN LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND THAT GOES WITH YOU SITTING ON THE DAIS AS WELL AS US OUT HERE. WE NEED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT PERSON NEXT SPEAKER. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO WORK FOR THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. AND MOST OF THE STAFF THAT WORK ARE TRULY UN AWARE IS INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS POSITION THAT WAS DEPARTMENT POSITION THAT WAS CREATED I'M ASSUMING WITH THE CITY MANAGER WITHOUT GIVING THE COMMISSIONER AND BOARDS APPROVAL. WHEN I SPEAK TO SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS THEY COULDN'T GIVE ME A RHYME OR RATIONAL FOR THIS. THIS DEPARTMENT TO BE CREATED A LOT OF THE CITY WORKERS ARE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS AND CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR JOBS BUT THEY'RE BLAMING IT ON THE COMMISSION AND MAYOR. AND COMING TO UP OVERSIGHT IS NOT THE COMMISSION AND MAYOR. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS IF THEY DO SO. I ALSO WANTED TO COMMEND COMMISSIONER CRUZ FOR AS WELL. LAST WEEK WHEN IT CAME TO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SITTING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND THE FACT THAT OUR ATTORNEY WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU A FORM TO CAUSES THIS DEEP CONCERN THIS AUTHORITY MOVED OVER TOth CITY MANAGER OVER HUNDRED K HE WOULD GET THAT. I THINK THAT THE TIME OVER HAUL THE RULES AND ON THE GROUND LATIONS OF OUR WEAK AND BOGUS POLICIES THAT STILL ALLOW RURAL POLICE OFFICERS TO KEEP THEIR JOBS DESPITE THEIR SUB PAR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WE DON'T WANT OUR ROGUE COP BACK. WE CARE WHAT IS GHOING ON IN UR COMMUNITY. A LOT OF IS PETTY. WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE HERE TO STAY. WE'RE GOING TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY. DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND STOP HAVING THESE BACKYARD CONVERSATIONS AND DOING THESE THINGS THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT. >> Mayor: NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER. AFTER THE IN PERSON. STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READ EACH. >> GOOD EVENING. GILL TURANO. MY MAYOR, I WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU THIS EVENING. THIS IS ONE OF MY PRIDE POSSESSIONS. IT'S A STATE CHAMPION PLAQUE I COACHING A TEAM HERE IN BOYNTON BEACH LITTLE LEAGUE. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE HAS A LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU IS THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM STAFF. LACK OF COMMUNICATION FOR A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL WHO NOW HOLDS EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO A FIELD. THE DARKEST DAY I EVER HAD WAS INTRODUCING MY TO THIS CITY. THE REASON IS BECAUSE MIKE BAR ROSE ISN'T HERE FOR HIS COMMUNITY. HE'S HERE FOR HIMSELF. ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DAYS THAT THE MIKE BORROWS DID ON THE NEW. NOT ONE KID FROM EAST BOYNTON MADE IT. THAT'S A VIOLATION UNDER HIS CONTRACT. CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY STAFF, BY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND BY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. MIKE DIDN'T COME HERE FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN TO GET A FREE FIELD. MIKE DIDN'T EARN THIS. I DID. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I'M GOING TO TRY TO SUM. MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PLEASE TAKE NOTICE TO AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON S SEACREST BOULEVARD MAY 23RD AT 1:30 A.M. WHEN I WAS RUDELY INTERRUPTED WHILE SLEEPING FOR A DUI ACCIDENT ON SEACREST BOULEVARD JUST SOUTH OF WOULD LIKE BRIGHT ROAD WHICH ALSO TOOK OUT THE HIGH POINT ENTRANCE TO THAT COMMUNITY. A SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER CAME TO THAT SCENE AND GOT AN INDIVIDUAL OUT OF A DUI. I'M ASKING THAT YOU RUN A FULL INVESTIGATION ON THIS. IMMEDIATELY. SPEAKING OF WHICH, CODE OFFETTE ICKEDS WAS HERE THIS EVENING. I NOTICE THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT. I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHO IT IS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PEAK. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO, THOUGH,S ONLINE. JESSICA FERGUSON. I KNOW YOU'RE ONLINE I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. >> GOOD EVENING JESSICA FERGUSON. I WOULD LIKE TAKE SOME TIME TO KEEP CONGRATULATING EAST BOYNTON BEACH NATIONAL ALL-STAR TEAM FOR WINNING DISTRICTS AND STATE AND TRAVELLING TO CHARLESTON NORTH CAROLINA. WE UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT GET THE W AT THE REGIONALS. TO HIT THE FIELD AS THEY THINK ABOUT WITH THE GOAL OF MAKING IT TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND REPRESENTING OUR CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. I WOULD LIKE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR SUPPORTING THIS LITTLE LEAGUE ALL STARS TEAM AND TRAVEL TO THESE AWAY LITTLE LEAGUE TOURNAMENTS. TOURNAMENT AND THEIR'S JOURNAL TOURNAMENT IN NORTH CAROLINA ALONG $100 STIPEND FOR FOOD FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND STILL DO. AND AGAIN THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE AND HOPE THAT THE CITY PUBLICLY RECOGNIZES THESE BOYS FOR THIS AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT. I THINK THEY DESERVE THAT. AND I QUICKLY WANT TO CHANGE THE TOPIC. I WOULD LIKE OUR LITTLE LEAGUE IS IN DIRE OF FIELDS AND ADDING THAT PLEASE NOT ENTERTAIN ANY MORE INDOOR FACILITIES IF INDEED THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP. HELP US IN GROWING THIS LITTLE LEAGUE AND PAVING THE WAY. LAST LEER OUR LITTLE LEAGUE BOYNTON BEACH IS OPEN UNTIL AUGUST 10TH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MIKE TAYLOR. MIKE I'LL LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS ON THE CLOCK. >> ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. I DO WANT TO SAY HI CINDY. I AM WATCHING AND I WISH I WANT AT THE LAST MEETING. I'VE HEARD THE WORD THICK SKIN. YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS YES WE HAVE TO HAVE THICK SKIN. MY NAME MICHAEL TIE LOR BUT I GO BY THE ARMED FISHMAN ON YouTube. CONTACT ME. THE MAYOR IF YOU CAN PASS THIS ALONG TO THE ATTORNEY, TELL THE ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO DAVID WAR WARTROSE VERSUS STATE OF FLORIDA AND GET YOUR PANHANDLING ORDINANCE DEALT WITH. THE SECOND THING I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THESE COMMENT KAURPEDS. WE HAVE A FOURTH AMENDMENT. EVERY ONE OF ON THAT DAIS HAS SWORN AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. THAT IS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. RIGHT. I HAVE UNLESS I'M COMMITTED YOU SUSPECT ME OF A CRIME YOU CAN'T GET MY IDENTIFICATION BUT I DIGRESS FROM THAT. I HAVE SENT YOU EMAILS AND NONE OF MY EMAILS HAVE BEEN -- I'VE GOTTEN NOTHING. BUT REGARDLESS. HOPEFULLY YOU'VE STARTED TO REACHING OUT TO ARMED F FISHMAN@GMAIL. ONCE AGAIN WHAT I'M HEARING IN BOYNTON IS NO DIFFERENT THAN CLEARWATER. I DON'T LIVE IN BOYNTON AND I DON'T LIVE IN CLEARWATER. I TRULY THAT WANT TO CONTINUE TO LET ME FROM PORT ST. LUCIE FLORIDA TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE VERY PERTINENT. YOU ALL SWORE AN OATH EVERY ONE OF YOU. SO CLEARWATER IS DOING THE SAME THING, AND CLEARWATER HAS SPECIFICALLY MADE IT BECAUSE OF ME. THEY SAID MY NAME. I'VE DONE EVERYTHING -- THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHAT CLEARWATER AND WHAT BOYNTON IS POSSIBLY GOING TO DO IS NO DIFFERENT. RESPECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, SAND THINGS WOULD PROBABLY GO A LOT EASIER. SOME PEOPLE ONCE I COME BACK TO THE THICK SKIN. I HAVE TO HAVE THICK SKIN. I'VE GOT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU, SIR. >> I'VE GOT 200,000 SUBSCRIBERS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> Mayor: IS THERE ANYONE