Captain, are you good? Yes. Okay, very good. I see that we have a quorum at 6:30. I'm reading the order, please. Are there any additions, deletions, corrections to the agenda? I have one. I would like to add to the agenda. Uh topic discussing Girl Scout
troop 24514. The cadets would like to um start a project pertaining to our QR code time. So, let's put that under I hate to put it under new business
unless we move up the Andrew's topic. I don't know. Let's put it under new business. That'll work. All right. Is there a motion regarding the amended agenda? Motion to approve the amended agenda. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. All in
favor? I. Any oppos? Motion carries. Very good. Okay, the minutes. Everyone have an opportunity to read the minutes? Any additions, deletions, corrections to the minutes? I have one tiny one. We need to
spell polls correctly. P O L S on page two pertaining to the Bon Cemetery. P O L E S, not political P L. That would be it. Is there a motion regarding the amended minutes?
Second, [Music] Robert. Robert, my bad. Who made the motion? I don't know. Uh, Valentina. Thank you. Okay. All
Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Uh, communications and announcements. That that be you, Jay. Anything John? What do we need? Are you communications and announcements tonight? Not tonight. We don't have
anything to discuss. Okay, very good. There's nothing under old business and I added under new business girl sculpture 24514. the cadets. Um, notice that the sign in front of the Magnus house is faded and
the QR code is ille unleible, whatever you want to call it. Not not readable, illigible. So, this is a topic that we brought up previously. Where are the QR codes and the stansions for the downtown that were
removed during construction and we were told were going to be replaced once construction was complete. So, I guess that would be on your to-do plate, Jay, is where are the QR codes? And um what can we do to work with the
Girl Scouts? I mean, I'm willing to do it. I'm not putting a pile on your plate. The um to get those QR codes back up and get new, brighter ones that can be read under some kind of a cover so
that um they last longer this time. So um Jay, if you could please put that on our to-do pile. Sure. Um I definitely had this same questions from the one of our um residents for a while back about the signage that has been faded and worn
out. Um actually reach out to um public works the director and I will follow with them. Um they we need some sort of communication about the magnes but I definitely I will follow with the public works director. They're the one
that maintains. Good. Good. That'd be good because the cadets have noticed apparently the the sign that says Magnus house or something. There's a QR code on it and that's not readable. So understood. That would be good. So we'll be in touch. Yeah. Uh we'll we'll I'll
be in touch with the public. for the director and and hopefully next meeting we will update you because they have to go through the um they have to see what's the what's the condition of the signage and then it will take it some
time to um correct or fix it or renovate the signage and if we can figure out a way that the cadets can participate somehow they're working on a badge you mean the gold scouts you're saying u I have to
still with the public works the director if the third party I understand what you're saying is you know um participation by the general public but that's something again the public works the director has to go through the motions I believe okay all right I will
stay on top of absolutely okay thank you what's the deadline for the girls what's the deadline for the Girl Scouts to complete the project. Yeah, they do have a deadline. I don't know what it
is, but I I wanted to toss that out there because we brought this up before. Where are the QR codes and extensions for all the things? And there was even a GPS where if you stood in a certain spot and you used your telephone that you could just do something on your
telephone, GPS, too. I mean, to have a map for all of these things um probably would be helpful. So, okay. You got anybody else want to say anything about the project? You're in are you in support? Is there consensus
that we can work with? Okay, great. Thank you. All right, that brings us to other relocation of the Andrew cells. I understand we have a PowerPoint presentation tonight. Yes, we have um assistant public works
director um here, Richard. I don't want to pronounce the last name incorrectly. So let him introduce himself. Richard. So yes, my name is Richard. I'm assistant director of public works.
I'll be giving this evening the same one that was given at the microphone. The presentation I'm giving is actually the same presentation that was given at the last commission meeting, city commission meeting.
Kind of sort of the same. It's missing two locations, right? That one had five. Uh, yes, there were. We did revise it to take out a couple of locations. That's correct. This is a PDF. So, we don't throw on
that above the the zoom out. There's like a little page of the zoom out there and then it should be able to full screen mode at the bottom. Um, do you and then that will make a presentation. Oh, thank you.
Next. Next. Okay. So, this is a presentation on potential relocation sites for the Andrew's house. Um, prior slide if you could. Um, the Andrew House is located at 306 Southeast 1st
Avenue. Um, potential relocation sites for the house for preservation purposes have been assessed. Um, originally we looked at five locations. Um, it's been paired down to three locations for this presentation
for the u three potential locations um as shown on this slide here. We'll go into um detailed looks at each of these locations. Do you want me to scroll through them? Uh yes. For
um potential for this potential location, one uh it's in on Furry Friends Park is what it's um called. So this was one of the original five that we looked at last presentation.
Um you know looking at it closer um you know a closeup view of the site. There is a large tree there. Uh there are some setback requirements as well. Um
uh street view uh street view so everybody can see pretty much what it looks like from the street. there is a lot of open land there. So, it's it's a a very sizable site for
um for the uh the house potentially. We got some zoning um information um as well on that. I can get to my proper notes here. Um, the next slide. This is well the
prior one. You good? Uh, this is the the Andrew's house transposed onto the site relatively to scale. Just showing how it would lay out on the site potentially. Certainly adjust it. during any site
plan um stage definitely would be hashed out as far as where on the site would be located. Richard, would you like us to ask our questions now or hold all of our questions until you finish?
Um it would be I'd be okay with asking it as we go. Okay. I have a question and I hope that everybody else can jump in in a minute. Is this a passive n neighborhood park for that neighborhood? Um, as far as the
as far as the um the zoning for this I can add. Yes, correct. This is a passible park. There's not really any um any activities kind of elements into the park. It's
just trees and the pathways. What kind of furry friends does it contain? Do we know what do you mean for that's the name of the park for friends? I'm not sure on that one.
No. Okay, that was my big question. Anybody else have questions for Richard at this point? Okay, thank you. Um, sorry, I did have just one question. Um, and maybe we did this at the end, but street view was really just showing um where we're
putting it. Is there any way to on Google Street and see what is across the street from it. I know what the park looks like. It's across from the apartment complexes, but if if you want, we can go access Google Earth to look at the streets views if you want. If you go
a few slides, you can see at least an aerial view. Doesn't really show a lot of the adjacent, but there are apartments to the east. Um and it looks like north too. So that's the north is six court is
actually to the apartment complex and then southwest industrial right commercial the commercial um retails along the federal highway and then um the cross from the park that's I believe a twotory
apartment complex as well. So this was a residential zoning. Yes. Is there a particular reason why we picked this location? Um, it is a CR city owned. Um, so the
criteria was to look at city and CR lots. Uh, this is a city owned lot. And it was felt by some that it would be if this was a say a welcome center or a ranger station or something
well within that kind of open space from downtown to be a welcome center. Yes. Yes. Um that was talked about in the last meeting. Um that would be more ideal. Uh we'll talk a little bit about the um location based on some some things that
we discussed with the fire department as far as separation requirements and things like that. And you said it was zoned that park is zonal or I believe it's art.
It's actually owned in CBD CBD. Um, it's a central business district. So then it's commercial instead of residential. Correct. Is it the park is in the commercial? Any more questions about potential
position number one? Okay. Okay. As far as this potential location too, um this is talked about a lot as far as this location
is in the oceanside. Megan. Yes, correct. Thank you. Um as far as this and This is a CR lot. Um it is the lot does if you look over to the right
hand side right hand side you'll see the delineation of the site. So this would involve putting um a second house a second structure on this site and um there are some just the
other day we did get some information for the fire um fire and building code information on what some of the requirements will be. Um based on the type of structures they are with structures, uh there is a
requirement at a minimum to be 20 ft apart. We have some subsequent slides that still show it as late as about 10 ft apart. They have to be at least 20 ft apart
according to fire marshal um and might have to upgrade the wall. So increase the fire rate walls feedback on that. So there are some
complications with that further complications with that site to this office. So just so it's already off the uh it's already off the um less than 10 ft. There's 20 ft um in
between. It's probably beyond the property line. Um to the east is is the situation. So it wouldn't fit within the existing property. So that's that's a complication. Uh there is a there's a
street right away that's besided that's currently like a sidewalk. That's that's the boundary. That's still right. Richard, excuse me. If that little walkway were removed, would there be
enough room between the two homes if it was moved over a little bit and the right way expanded? Um, seems like it that's a possibility. Um I personally have not looked into that. I would take ad that step
revelation about the separation just came on that came on Friday as we continue to look into this. We're continuing to look into things. We had another meeting today and this
was discussed as well as well as contin but um haven't um crossed that bridge yet heard I've heard that thrown around as a possibility. What's the zoning there please? Uh the zoning here
is R3. Yes, it looks like it allows non-residential uses and residential uses. So commercial is possible here. Yeah, there's a bunch of different ones that might be possible here.
There's a whole list of items. Definitely multif family is is one, but commercial. If there is complications with this site, what um why is it a potential location if you're
saying that this one seems like it's already being crossed off? Sure. Um this presentation was put together um late last week or um middle of the week or so and um we found out
more information on Friday. So the presentation updated so that's what I'm trying to express is this is um what we call a potential location too. Uh there's there
were complic difficulties or challenges with the site as of my last presentation. We found more so it's even even more challenging than are are these difficulties something
that the commission can give variances for? Um we are going to uh discuss this in tomorrow's um CRA commission meeting. So this is exactly what's going to be discussed is is this topic
of the three remaining sites that we're looking at. Can you give us a ballpark of what those variances would need to be? Uh the variances I I don't know that there's a possibility to get them any closer together. Um the variance I don't
know if it would be termed a variance if there was sort of um you know use of the rightway is now a sidewalk. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know exactly how that works.
You can speak to that. So staff can do staff will have a further discussions but variance might not be the great options because of the 20 bit distance requirement is really pertaining to life safety concerns because it's really
truly for the because of both of the mar structure and it's in the uh for the um building code. So I don't you um again the staff and the city commission will have a further discussions but the reason Magnus house was one of options
to discuss because there were lot of um supporting opinions to explore the possibility locating next to the magnes but that's the time before we had discussion with the building um building
official as well as fire marshal. But um last we got emails on like this morning that bonds that might be not feasible because of the distance requirements for
the life safety. Well, I see here next to the the existing house push back towards the rear courtyard. Um yes that's there again that's what we
are exploring um still stage but that's why Richard is here to present and this is happening this is a discussing um and this is a more FYI presentations. Still staff has to evaluate
um the visibility which could include the condition of the sites um as well as the current building and fire requirements and the cost that affected as well. Um this is a really more
likeformational presentation. I think there will be have a further more discussion with state commission at the CRA meeting tomorrow. And these what are these costs that you would that would concern you? This is
the closest move. So this would seem to logically be the least costly move. Well, as far as um if there's other requirements because of the structures being 20 ft apart um there could be
added cost to having to increase the fire rate the walls. not not totally clear on that yet. Got a big dissertation from the building department on on that and really follow up with building department.
I'd like to see that report. Is that report available to the public please? I don't know. But I that's why I was saying I think moving it towards the rear would actually get rid of that 20 ft distance
from wall to wall. I back there. 20 ft distance from house just push to the rear. Yeah, I know there's setbacks, but I mean if you can't put it less than 20 ft
closer, I'm sure we can get a varian setbacks. Again we will definitely explore these options. Obviously we have to we don't we need get a full um survey to see if
there is any easements aligning with this perimeters because back back side of this Magnus house properties alley. So there's other options that we have to again this is really study stage for the city staff to explore. Uh we will
definitely provide you more updates. Can I ask a question? Sure. Um what is this lot on the other side? It's a privately owned. I heard some
doctor owns it. Definitely got it up, but it's it's privately owned. The city ever consider reaching out to the doctor to see if he wants that house? Could be. Um
I I've heard about um the owner is they have plans to order and I think I think the city might have approached the owner some time ago and asked about doesn't mean that things have changed
since that's what I've heard. Yeah. No, I've just seen it um in other municipalities where the law isn't sold. they are just okay with having a historic house on their lot and um instead of them building
the zoning on that too but it's probably as well possibly could be a possibility we haven't explored that the property in this area has a pretty high valuation as well Yes. So um we had a CRA has been explore
uh potential developments with the magnes. I had application one time but uh because of the size of the property and because of the accessibility um it's not quite um it it takes it
takes it is a it's I'm not saying this is difficult to develop but definitely it wasn't that easy to explode um utilize magnes house and also um come up with a different use um there was one time
restaurant wanted be located here. But they had a quite um challenge because of the the the amount of um the requirements to updated the mechanism
house to be utilized. Um but definitely city staff is more exploring um what could be the best location for the um Andrew's house. new location. So,
we will definitely update you in the next meeting. Um or I'm pretty sure there will be more further discussions in the city commission meetings. Anybody else questions? Okay. As far as potential location,
the previous one. Um, so it's a closeup of potential location. It's on secret location. Yes, that was a street view of it. The fire was views,
comments about that one. I know there was a lot of discussion at last meeting about you know this site as well as the other two that we're not showing now because of location things but it was thought to keep this
one on hereite one the zoning Uh zoning is I believe it's also R3. Yes. R2 um permitted for duplex. This is just a block north. No, it's it's right behind the 7-Eleven
on the corner. Oh, yeah. I see. So, this location was just found for discussion. Yes, there's still um some some talking within the city about this site
as being still potential one that should be looked at possibly for business and use would be someone living in it. Uh could be a residential uh could be um you know
resone for business possibly. Yes, residential will be will be targeted. I don't see how that economically benefits the city in any way, but um it was left on to
for discussion purposes and um you know we heard that last week to the to the city. So, but it was I was asked to put it in my presentation. I'm keeping it up there. We're going to be
talking to CRA internally to the city tomorrow commission meeting called 6:00. So, we're going to continue discussing this. Okay. Good.
Good. Anybody else questions for Richard? I'm just curious. I'm is new to me. Bear with me. I'm just curious why are we moving it? We gohead.
It's for um to for preservation purposes. Um I think I know know the details. There's a developer that owns that lot along with Jason lot center just north of that and um
it's their lot there. Um there is an open demolition permit I believe as well. Um so the idea try to move it. One question. Yeah, I was just wondering
about the last cost. Um, is this a summary for just one potential location or is it all of them since we're talking about um the cost?
Uh, yes, we uh reached out to um a a company that moves houses. They use pricing knowing the proximity of the different sites we're looking at and gave us a pricing um just for moving the
house shown on slide there 75,000 that's just to move it the second line item is the uh foundation and utilities which is is pretty much
um the same regardless of what where it would be moved. So there's got to be, you know, site plan done for approval um showing setbacks and all those sort of things for planning and zoning
approval. I believe um then would have to go and go out for design services to um do a site civil design.
the site itself, the structure including foundation design permits. Um, and then put it out for construction to construct the foundation, utilities, site improvements,
um, as well as the house. So, our budget that's shown there is 225K. Um, actually at a rough order of magnitude stage of um costing a project or budgeting a
project. Um basically the project management institute and other sources for budgeting recommend a 75% contingency plus 75%us
25% range for that 225k. So um you know numbers that we might be seeing for this might might reflect um in future presentations and future um
discussions might be more in 2009,000 $390,000 range. Okay. Any more questions from Richard? Hey, welcome. Thank you. Would you like to ask any questions?
Missed his presentation. All right. Thank you very much, Richie, for coming tonight. We appreciate you taking the time. Sure. And welcome to the city. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. I personally would like to hear from the public before we make any of
our discussions and make any decisions or motions or consensus. Anybody have a problem with hearing from the public? Not at all. Okay. Who's who's the first willing victim? It's Susan. Yeah. Susan Oyer Boon Beach. I've sat on this board
for years. I sat on arts board, PND board, you know, a lot of boards. So, I have a good background on this. So, I'm going to address all three locations, but I'll do one and three then hit number two. So, number one, it's currently a passive park. It's zoned
CBD. I take issue with the the zoning options of a call center. I work part-time in one. You're looking at several hundred people plus um you know assorted parking. So that's not realistic and that really should be taken out of that option. Um this is a
neighborhood park. Y'all are foolish to even consider that because those people are going to rise up and they're going to scream and they're going to bring pitchforks at you people and I'm going to enjoy every moment of it. especially when they chase down Amanda. Um, looking
at option number three, um, is R2. So, R2 is specifically residential only. And while I think this is, um, and I'm going to tell you I'm off for option two. No,
it's not coming from here. Really? Yes, it looks like it is. Okay, let me turn it on again. I'm sorry, Catherine. Yeah, no problem. Sorry about that. I thought I talked loud enough, too. Anyways, so um this is, you know, I I think this is a decent site and I think you guys are
foolish for not pushing this harder, but I do think option two is our best possible choice. Um I have property over near here. The one thing that you guys aren't talking about is when I sat on P&D board, all of Crest is going commercial sooner than later. And um so
I I think the impact on this is not what you want it to be with heavy traffic that will get worse as you're pounding and building commercial buildings um next door and the damage that could possibly do. So while I think this is great because there's plenty of room for
parking and building parks or whatever around it in the long run, I don't think this is going to hold up well just because of the projected plans for um searest. So, looking at site number two, first of all, how you guys would ever
think a restaurant should go in a historic building. This is the foolish problem you guys have repeatedly with the Magnus House. And I'm not directing my vinting my anger at you guys, but the city is stupid. You do not put a historic a restaurant in a historic
building and do all that kind of remodeling and the grease traps and all the stuff you have to do, plus all the fire codes, plus the wear and tear. You don't do that. 100y old building. I own a 99 year old house, two of them. You don't dare do that. You need to have the
least intensive use possible on a building of this age so that you can maintain it, not destroy it. And and and I just you guys just need to actually take that out and stop doing that foolish talking. That's Amanda's thing that she does just
to convince the commission that they need to put restaurants in and we don't need restaurants. At least not there. So, um, you're talking about increasing the walls for fighter ratings. You're talking about, um, you know, the location. First of all, you haven't talked at all. And this poor man I feel
sorry for because you guys threw them to the lion's den and he's new and he doesn't deserve this. But, um, this house should be rotated. You should be You guys get the city gives variances for every freaking thing you can imagine. and I sat on D board and have
sat in so many commission meetings more than everybody else can write except possibly Barb and um I'm sorry and um and and I just don't see how you guys don't think you're going to do a variances this because we all know you are. So you're going to get
rid of that walkway alley to the side or you're certain you're going to narrow it. You're going to get rid of the alley to the back and you're going to rotate this house so that it gives you the 20 foot minimum that the fire department wants. And yay, go fire department. They're looking at this rationally and let's do what we need to do. But the
reality is is there's plenty of space. Amanda's just making this look like it won't fit to give everybody a reason not to vote for it. So, let's just put out exactly what the problem is. So, um, you do need to do the variances. You do need
to take away the two alleys or narrow them. You do need to rotate this. And um that report this poor man was speaking about. What report is that? Because I want to do a public records request. What's the name of that report? You talk about the um emails from the
fire marshal and then the building official about the requirements of the building. Okay, that should be easy to get. So the fire marshall and and the fire chief or the building what's the official? Building official building
official. Okay, I'll order that tonight while I'm sitting here listening to the rest of you. Yeah. So, that'll give me something to do. So, um I think we need to be looking at option two only. I think this board, you know, having sat on this board for
years back before Barb was even chair and she was just a member, she's been chair for what, 10 years now. So, um yeah, we were on the board together. Um I really think we need to be pushing this. I think option is the logical choice. I think we should be doing what
Del Re has done and other cities have done and it's the logical option and that is build an area of historic buildings that you can use for light intensive use retail. For example, we should be looking the city was supposed
to put a cafe in this building and it never happened. It fell apart and that totally falls on CRA because I know exactly where that happened. And we need to be looking at a place that could do something like drinks or ice creams or
or gourmet sandwiches or um pastries. And it's not your primary store restaurant. It is the one that you bring in from your other restaurant. So for example, you could have, you know, maybe this cafe and they source their ice cream from Boardwalk. Boardwalk would,
I'm sure, love to have a second off, a second space. You could be doing one of the local bakeries like Aloha or somebody who does, you know, the gourmet French baked goods. Have them bring their items in. Whether you do it on a concession or as an owner who buys from
our other local sources, which would support other local businesses and give them a reason to care about downtown or you know, you have a vendor who makes off-site and brings in every day. You could be doing gourmet sandwiches or subs. You can be doing a variety of of
drink options because we all know it's 100 plus degrees all day every day for you know five months out of the year. You have all these kids down here for all these museums. Let's give everybody something to eat because as it comes up in the city commission regularly if you
get people here for four hours you have locked in an 80% increase on the amount of money they're going to spend. So that's the secret to Disney. You lock them in. I'm sorry. You are me. So, I decided I could talk longer.
But definitely look at these as options and then maybe that's something this board can go ahead and recommend as well because you're allowed to do that. Don't let them tell you you can't. You're allowed to make a recommendation. Thank you. And yes, that newspaper was for me.
I provided it. Thank you, Susan. Anybody else? Hi Mike, Fitzpatrick, 175 Southwest Street. Um, first of all, I'd like to say I uh this meeting is a positive sign that the commission and staff are taking
the possibilities of moving the mag Andrews house historic Andrew's house. Um, so can we ask questions of staff? I don't know. J, you want to answer questions?
We'll do our best. Okay. So, look, I recommend it's November 12th um of this board. And what I didn't see was any notification that on October
21st the de demolition permit was applied for and then on November 8th their notice of commitment was issued. So I'm curious as why you didn't inform this board that this was going on and
that's why we are in this emergency situation trying to play catchup. I'm not sure what is this house is actually to be honest with you staff doesn't have to my understanding staff
does not talk to the um speakers it is the the all questions has to be addressed through the board but if you have a questions we can share our emails and feel free to email us and we will
address through the emails. So you're not so you can't tell me why you did not include this on last month's agenda, the November 12th agenda. I'm not so I'm I am not fully understand
the timelines when was approved when was the demo demolition was approved. I will not know those timelines. So I don't think I know enough to speak about it. Well, if you
read past minutes, my understanding this Andrew's house came up continually over the last two years. So this was a concern of this board and when it was being demolitioned, the city
was doing it very quietly and not informing the board. And I was just wondering is it part of your duty to inform this board that this was happening? Um does the chairperson um do we need to
respond this? My understanding this questions again we this is a question has to go through the board. If you want the answers, please we can take a notes and we can take your emails and phone numbers and
then we will send you follow emails and we will correspond accordingly. Okay. Not knowing enough about the permits the dead timelines and not knowing enough the questions directly I'm don't think I can speak up because I
don't want to deliver incorrect informations. So we are at the end of a Well, okay. How about one question you might be able to answer? When when did you know this was going to be demolitioned? I do not I did not know.
Okay. We have we have six planners including um director. We have a six people to reviewing the permit. This permit wasn't I wasn't again
We have to know the what the timeline is based on the permits when it's submitted when it was reviewed when was it discussed the board and I have to look at those dates in order to answer those questions. So we will take
your email and phone number and we'll be in touch with you. Okay. So this is my concern that the city it by having the uh selection and and presentation is
basically the fox guarding the hen house because it's been the emphasis of the city to get this uh seems like it wants the city city wants Andrew's house bulldozed and now it says oh we're
trying to move it. So some of us are very skeptical and the way your presentation seems to be uh presented it's uh letting the city commission kind of run its course
and then kill it with a depth of a thousand cuts. For instance, as pointed out, this 20 foot limit, well, the city's being intentionally obtuse, as pointed out by
Valentina, you could move it back and then you would have your 20 ft or you could rotate it because it is 42 ft the way they have it orientated any other way, 90° with the door facing east. And
actually, That could be quite pleasant opening up on that sidewalk. It is only 32 feet. So there's there's 20 ft in between if you rotate it. There's 20 ft in between
if you move it back. So the city is picking the worst case scenario to get rid of uh site two. My god, excuse me. I'm sorry to inter. Uh could you repeat that? Did you say if the building was
rotated there' be 32 feet from Oh, the dimensions of the building is 32 feet by 40. I I made I made a uh eight page packet for a report for the city commission. And if some of you would
like to Oh, actually 16 pages it got there. So, if some of you would like to give me your email address or I can give them a bar or something, I'll send it out tonight. So, it's a PDF. So, you you can see a different point of view. So,
um well, that's basically it. Why should we trust the city staff on this is my question. They they have not been forthright the whole time for the last two years on dealing with the ambulance house. So,
We'll see. I'm in favor of site two. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Tom Warkey and I think what you have on your agenda this evening with the Andrew House is a a feelgood project. This is the oldest
house in Borton Beach. It's in excellent condition. I don't know. Have any of you been inside the house or have any of you seen the photos of the interior? Uh, boy, it's it's pretty impressive. Uh, I know because my father helped supervise
the renovation of the Andrews house 20 years ago and they took all the wood down to the big I mean the exterior and the interior down to the bare wood and it's day county pine. Can't get it
anymore. You can't even drive a nail into it. You have to drill it first. The termites won't eat it. uh and it doesn't rot in the water. So, uh Day County Pine is pretty special and this house is is a
a treasure in Boon Beach. The pictures that you see of it on the presentation or that one photo, it's boarded up when you open those windows and the sun room that's on the east side, which could be a it's a 14 by 14 beautiful meeting
room. Um, so I just wanted to start out by saying it's a it's a treasure. Uh, and uh, the city commission and the CRA are both unanimous in wanting to move it to save it. Uh the development that's
going to go in where it is now is huge and it's going to really help revitalize Boon Beach downtown and those people that live in those hundreds and hundreds of units are going to be able to walk up Ocean Avenue and enjoy if they have a child with them, they can go into the
children's schoolhouse museum, but of course you have to have a child with you. So Boon really doesn't have a museum uh for adults. So, uh, my name is Tom Warkey and, uh, in November, we formed a citizen committee to save the
Andrews house. I happened to be the one driving by and I saw the demolition equipment and it's near and dear to my house because I watched it being renovated and opened as a museum 20 years ago. Do you have a question? I'm
sorry. That's what I was going to say. At one time, it was a museum. Yeah. Pirate Fest had an event there with Harvey there and and so it's got some history but it sits off of Ocean Avenue and site two we move it onto Ocean
Avenue. Uh the uh I've got these written so it won't take me long. Uh but uh I keep getting off track here because I'm excited about saving this house. Uh I'm the vice chair of the committee. Uh and I'm a life member of the Boon Beach
Historical Society. I'm a second generation Boon Beach Historian. Uh my family moved here in 1956 when I was 8 years old. Uh my father was mayor here in the 1980s.
Uh I work at the Delray Beach Historical Society. My office is in a home that was moved a mile onto the historical society property and it's made of Day County Pine. It's 1909, one year newer than the
Andrews House. Uh I mentioned we have unanimous agreement among city commissioners and the CRA to move the Andrews house. So I have two a three asks of this board uh that I hope somebody makes a motion and forwards to
the city commission. Uh the first ask is that we re that you recommend to the city commission to make immediate arrangements to have ownership of the house go to the CRA or the city. They're going to start that process. But with
you also recommending it, that would help. Also commit that the house be moved to Ocean Avenue next to the Magnes House. I'm the one that suggested at our last committee meeting. All you have to do is rotate it 90 degrees. The sun room
would face Ocean Avenue. The front door of the house would be off the public walkway. And with signage there, it would be it would be, I think, an excellent way. Or you could move it a little bit east and get part of that easement. uh and move it back a little
bit. Uh and that might take care of it also. Uh and the office that I'm in is the Hunt House. Uh and it's only about 12 ft from another wooden house that was
moved to that same property. So the Delray Beach Fire Marshall doesn't have any problem at all with those two homes being very tight together. And last year, the city of Delray Beach paid for a wooden tool shed. They paid $20,000
for a wooden tool shed with a new slab. And that's in between the two properties. So now they're almost touching and they're all wood. Uh so with a variance and with the proper maintenance by the city, uh those types of things can be taken care of. Uh so
the second recommendation that we use site two. Uh the third recommendation uh is that you recommend that it be repurposed for public use, not residential uh not some city offices. Public use so the public can go in and
experience it. And the walls could all be decorated with Boon Beach history. Uh it's it's important to do that because Boon doesn't have a place where people can go to see the history of the city. That's what I work on in Delray. Although my heart's in Boon, I've got
the job at the historical society in Delray working in the archive. U so you know my father helped supervisor ren of the house and it was open as a museum. Uh at last week's commission meeting the staff used an example during their presentation of a historic building in
PMPO Beach. Somehow they didn't know what was going on in Delray. Not only were the two homes on our campus moved from Federal Highway to save them demolition, but the uh railroad station in Delray was moved
twice by the CRA in the city on onto its location. Now, it's owned by the historical society and it sits on actually it's on private property now, Ocean City, right by Atlantic Avenue there. So, the uh repurposed public use
uh that are now economic drivers for downtown Delray. We have thousands of people come to special events on our one acre campus. There's very very there's three buildings there. Not much of a setback at all. Uh the
city funds the Deler Beach Historical Society to maintain these two build these three buildings that are on city property owned by the historical society. And that funding is the
majority of our $350,000 budget. A h 100,000 from the CRA, 100,000 from the the uh city of Delray Beach every year in order to have this economic driver right a block off Atlantic Avenue right across from Dada,
which is a restaurant that was repurposed. And we helped them provide the history of that and did a special event there. So when I say thousands of people come to our campus in Del Rey at the historical society, we have regular events there that draw 200 to 400
people. So there's caterers, there's restaurants there. It's an economic driver. And with what's happening in downtown Boon with lots of big buildings and apartments and and condos and residences that are going in uh
hopefully soon because there's been some delays, but with all that infill this uh Andrew's house in the middle of it, people are going to love to go into it. So, I'm sure it will be uh something that that will be attraction. I was in
the uh high school for the high women exhibit on Saturday and right inside the front door there's the Boon Gayla poster from 2002 and it features the Andrews house in its brand new paint and everything 20 years
ago. Now it's faded out but it's it's a beautiful portrait of the Andrews house in all its glory. Uh 70% of people who visit Florida visit a museum. Another good reason to have some sort of a
historical value incorporated with whatever type of use could be a gift shop, coffee shop, tea house, restaurant. No, we already have your uh comments with the Magnus house and how Rodney Mayo and
Troy were not able to put it together even with with containers on site. Uh so uh some type of reuse there where people are downtown uh and the city employees could go there in the morning for coffee before they go to work. So uh
the utilities were brought up to code 20 years ago. It's got an alarm system. It's got a new new service box. Uh plenty of amperage for a coffee shop already. All new all all new plumbing. It's still got the claw foot bathtubs
upstairs and downstairs. It's it's partially furnished. So, if you have a chance to look at it, uh it really is a gym. Thank you for giving me more than three minutes. And I hope you do those three things. Recommend that the change ownership, recommend Ocean Avenue as the location,
and that it be for public use. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Anybody else? Hello. Can y'all hear me? Yes. All right. Hi, my name is uh Ben Low. I am a professional historian, professor of history at Florida Athletic University.
Um, and so I'm very interested in historic preservation and I've lived in the city here since 1997 and I've seen uh more buildings be destroyed, historic buildings I care to imagine. The last survey was in 1996.
It's time for a new one. The Andrews House is one of the last remaining houses from that time period. We really need to save it. I do agree with what Mike said, having been on this board for a few years and having talked about the
entry house frequently and recommendations having been made to staff, they weren't always followed up in the way in which we would like them to. And so I think there's a reason why there's a lack of confidence in what
staff follows through on when the board discusses these things or in that we're being kept or that the board is being kept up to date on what the developments are. I think a lot of this can be fixed by hiring a historic planner. So I know
this is outside the scope of the discussion tonight, but I think it's important to link these two. the uh planning division here in Boon Beach uh does not have anyone designated specifically for historic planning and I think that shows in the followup that
comes after these board meetings uh are completed. So I would I think a historic plan would be very effective in making good use and helping uh of the entrance house and in helping with the logistics of moving it and coming up with a number
of ideas of how it could be used. I myself uh also agree with what Susan Hoyer just said. It would be nice to have a coffee shop there, maybe a tea house, something like that. There would definitely be demand for it. U I I think
we need historic planner. We need to do a new survey. We need to think about protecting historic buildings overall in this city. It has not been given the priority that it needs to be. I support the second option which uh which over
next to the an uh the Magnes House. I think we need a heritage cluster downtown where people can walk and visit. Um and um so I really do believe from what I've heard tonight that that relocation can be accomplished. We put
our minds to it and so I strongly very strongly urge you to recommend that and then for staff and the city commission and everyone else involved to make it happen. and I thank you for taking this seriously and moving forward with this.
Let's have transparency as much as possible and let's get it done. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I think that's who wants to go first. Go ahead.
Okay. Um my card. Huh? Now it's on. Okay. Victor office. Um what I was uh agreeing with the gentleman over there was about the museum and I was also thinking about some type of welcome center because
right now I don't think we have a a welcome center that's near ocean or do we have one and at one time it was a museum. I think I went to it when I was little when it was boarded up after
that. Um, but we don't have anything for adults to come and be welcomed into the city cuz we have a lot of events on Ocean. I don't think the only thing we have is a children's museum and you got to get a child to go in there. Um, we got city
hall, but there's no welcome center. I think we we mentioned that once before. If you have a historic building, if you have um some similar to what he's saying, museum about the city, about the people, videos, whatever, they can go in
and interactive. It would be more useful than a restaurant, I think, cuz you're just going to grease it up and you're going to have to remodel it and we don't want to do that because that's more money. Um but
the location anywhere near ocean and it's when we have our festivals they can access it as a welcome center as a history as a museum slash whatever we can put in there you know that best utilizes the space but I don't think
that that was mentioned until he reminded me that it was a museum uh there were quite a few articles there but they over the years disappeared But we got plenty of history here that can fill that building. Okay. Thank you, Robert.
Being new on this committee, I'm very in favor of location two and keeping it downtown as close as possible to city hall because why do you want to put it out far away from here? To me, it wasn't serving purpose and I have never been to
it. I'm glad I did. Okay, good. Super. Thank you. You're up. Of the three locations, I would have to say that I'm in favor of location number two as well.
Location number one really doesn't make too much sense to me in that the only use I could for maybe for the city's use. Uh there's been a mention of maybe for park rangers or some other city use. So the six or
seven blocks north on federal away from development really doesn't make too much uh sense to me and it's kind of sandwiched between excuse me uh commercial along federal and residential. I don't see any public use
or even commercial use uh coming forward on that. Uh, location number two. Um, I appreciate you all coming out tonight and giving some ideas on how
that property can be arranged because we're hearing from the city. We're going to smack the house down there. No, it can't be this close to the other one, etc. So, I appreciate you all coming out and maybe giving some ideas how that
could be arranged. Um, I think it would uh promote downtown. Uh, we don't have too much downtown when it uh if it ever gets to be developed. We have the marina, we have the uh arts
and cultural center, but I really think uh putting the Andrew Zone next to Magnus would u be the best option. Uh number three, the location number three.
From what I've uh heard, once the pawn shop and everything that's on the um intersection of white and sequest, there's an idea of actually possibly making commercial
go back two blocks. So I think the city's basically saying to themselves, well, gee, we have two locations. We've got a third. I don't I think the city has any real looking at location number three.
Okay, good. You're up. Okay. Well, if I had to pick of the three, um I think number two is the best location. Um I do think that variances
there shouldn't be a problem granting variances for this. um especially working and planning the zoning department previous uh I also think there's enough room on this lot to push it back if we needed to to the rear um I think location two has a lot of
potential in having a commercial use even making a courtyard with some seating area outside and um where people can just make a public open space and just enjoy um don't understand how on the
location on the first location um the aerial that's taking on portable there's two buildings that seem to be way less than 20 ft together um so I don't know why there's an issue now um I also don't think an email would count as a report
from the fire department I think that's just I tell you you can put it together um if it's an email there's an actual report. I think we need to see that. Um I wouldn't see why there would be an
issue with the fire department in terms of that. Um and I also agree that um the wood is very important to keep it anymore and it's actually a very high quality wood. Okay.
Um so I'm favor of location number two also uh I think has a good potential maybe for um to keep the identity of the
historical um so I think the other two are not that far from the location and for example, like the number one is is a
green area for the neighbor. So, I don't think it's a good idea. I think it's more like a residential light. So, I don't think it's going to be convenient. So, I Okay. Good. Okay.
You have something else? Uh little We're getting a little ahead of ourselves when we talk about potential use. Um but I think my personal view to the if I had to advise the city commission
would be something along the the lines of a museum or even possibly light commercial. I don't mind the idea of a coffee shop or light bakery. I
personally do not would not want to see a full restaurant as was the case for Magnus. I think you're number one, you get tenants in there that are operating a business, a
restaurant, and a lot of foot traffic. And I really don't think um that type of business knows how to take care of a historic home. Okay. U so my view if the city
commission is listening would be possibly a museum might commercial bakery coffee shop something that that well since this is a project that I've been working on for many many many years
and it's another historic building that I'm fighting to save every time the city is and sought public input. The public has come forward and said, "We want to be a
queen fishing village. We want to have shops that we can stroll down Ocean Avenue and visit these shops and part partake of things in these shops. And it's unfortunate that all of the
advice that the residents have given to city leaders over the years have been basically ignored. We on Saturday at the Highway Menard Zoo, I sat at the table and spoke with people
all day. I'm I was amazed at how many people are paying attention to this. They They're so close. We're so This is our last gasp at having a walkable Ocean
Avenue. It's our last gasp to give the residents what they want, what they have been asking for for decades. They didn't we did not ask for multi-story buildings. We we voted for
four stories, okay? And we don't vote for anything. Okay. And we voted four four stories and that got tossed out the window, too. So, if we can, we have this opportunity to save this little house
and put it down next to the existing historic house that we have and recreate a little bit of a historic district. It can never really be a historic district because you don't get to recreate those things, but it it could be something
that pe moms and dads, grandma's at the museum stroll down, they get a smoothie, an ice cream cone, a cookie on the walls in the thing. We could have historic stuff. It doesn't have to be just a museum that you visit one time once a
year and never come back. It could be something that people, you know, get out of karate class at the the old high school in ballet class. Where do they go? They get in their car and they take their wallet. Okay. Susan's point of get them to stick
around town for a few more hours. We can get them to spend their money in town. And this is our last gasp at getting it. You'd be surprised how many people are paying attention. So anyways, is uh anybody out there
ready to make a recommendation? I I'm grateful for all of the recommendations from you guys and your all of your comments because it's it's they're sensible. Are you thinking? Okay. We could do it by consensus, but I
prefer to have a motion. While we're doing that, I do have a question for Steph. Um, at the CR meeting, um, who will be presenting tomorrow? Uh, will be Richtor and then development planning and development
director Amanda Ratigan will both will attend the meeting. And is the mention of our recommendation going to be noted at the meeting? This is not a boarding item. This is actually um um other and presented by the um city
staff as FYI. So this is not really items. This is not um right. So, we're not working on it, but we're going to make aation. Uh, you could and then that could be delivered to tomorrow at the
presentation, which I can obviously I'm going to update a director and then I'm not sure, but director may, you know, may code could, but we'll not.
Again, this is not a voting item. This is just the Kim we staff here to provide updates. Uh there will be further discussion about the Andrew's house relocation. Still have to go through the CRA and
because of the location possibly including CRA property uh still have to go through the city commission hearings and then further discussion will be followed. J the recommendation from this board
will emerge as a voting matter. Sure. Go ahead. I'm going to make this short and sweet. I'd like to make a motion to request the city commission choose location two adjacent to the Magnus home along Ocean
Avenue to preserve the historic character of the downtown area. Okay. You want to include anything that some of the public did about ownership of the building and stuff? I was going to do three, but we can do it all. No,
that's fine. He's We've got one motion. Any second to that? Second. Very good. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Your next motion. Motion to request the city commission
change ownership to either city and or CRA. I think they might need to pursue ownership. Yeah. Are you okay with that? That's fine. I'll read the intro. A motion to request the city commission
pursue ownership of the Andrew Zone to control the city andor. Is there a second? Thank you. All in favor? I
posted. Motion carries. Very good. You have a third one. Oh, good. Motion to request uh the city commission move to repurpose the Andrew zone for public use.
Anybody got a second for that one? Thank you. Um all in favor question. Yes. Discussion. I had a question of discussion. Um
I was when you say public use that would include something like perhaps a um a welcome center and museum information listed in there to public use not a
restaurant or a place where the rangers can come and you know sit down and change their boots or whatever then go back in the field for the city. Public use is like where the public can actually come in and there's things for the public to interact with. Correct.
For me, u it would it would be for many purposes for public use. U what I basically was looking at is
not putting it for a use for only for city use. That makes sense. How about light commercial? Right now there are there is supposed to be a welcome center in city hall.
There's supposed to be a visitor center um because they came and asked us to help man it. Remember? So um I'm not certain. I I would assume the welcome desk that that Jason sits
at. Okay. So, what's your what's your motion? Public use and light commission. Can we strike that one? Sure. Um I make a motion to repurpose the
Andrew's house um for a public use um where it falls under commercial use um in the zoning code like it would just be a commercial. Okay, there's a motion. Is there a second? Second. We have a second. Any
further discussion? No. Barbara, I really want to have a clear that um this is not a item for the votings or this is just the city staff who came and provide a presentation as
FYI. Again, the further discussions will be happening with the CRA which is um the city commissions are CRA members and then um further in the C city commission meetings. Yes, we do understand that.
Okay. But as the board that cares the most about historic preservation in the city, we will be making a recommendation and urging the CRA/ city commission to go in one direction. And if it emerges
as three motions of this board being in favor of position two, saving it, that's what's going to happen. I totally understand it. But for the record, this is not a voting item. Just
Okay. Well, we just voted on it, so hold my beard. Okay. Any all in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Very good. So, moving right along. Next on the
agenda is comments by board members. Anybody have any comments? I did want to tell everybody that the next historical society uh program free program is February 24th 7 o'clock. The
program topic will be the barefoot mailman and the murals of the post offices in Florida. So if anybody would like to get a Zoom invitation um please email anybody else
comments, questions the the program we the historical society is currently doing their programs via Zoom but there is discussion of going back to meeting in public which
would be welcome anybody else comments questions we're good to go okay if there are no objections we will stand a journ seeing no objections please stand thank