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ready good morning everyone we'll go ahead and get started um this is the Bron city council meeting Wednesday February 12th 2025 at 8:30 a.m. in City Hall council chambers um as we've done over the years and I've
started a little bit more um we do have an honorable mayor for the day Jabari Hector he's a fourth grader from Jesse P Miller Elementary School he's an Avid Reader of graphic novels loves dogs and video games and aspires to be a game
developer so very nice so welcome Jabari um at this time we'll call for our invocation and pledge Pastor Don stano with Kingdom Life Church will come forward also our chaplain for the police department for many years and a great person so we all stand please good
morning everyone morning ASO standing back there just looking at everyone on on this panel I I just felt the love of the Lord that he has for you um I don't usually do this but and I felt I heard the spirit of the Lord say good job
you're doing a good job and and the unity that you have among one another has uh given Heaven notice of the wonderful things you're doing so would you bow your heads father I thank you for your presence that's here I thank you for these that have chosen to serve
and given you and this community uh their yes so father I pray the perfect prayer let your kingdom come let your will be done in their lives on every front of their life in this
city as it is in heaven in Jesus name amen amen and if we all join Jabari in the pledge of the allegiance I pledge the allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands
one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay so at this time I am G to ask everybody with Jabari to come forward we're going to get a picture now before
we call the meeting to order with our Council and and that because we know how sometimes things go and Jabari may be ready to go a little sooner than the meeting's over so we want to get that for him to do that so we can all get up here you guys can stand in front and we'll stand up behind
you all right at this time I'm G say call so at this time we will call the meeting to order a little harder than that thank you all right Madame clerk the first item on the agenda this morning is a
proclamation for black history month and I believe councilwoman Coachman will be reading that on behalf of the mayor yes thank you from the city of brington Office of the mayor Proclamation by the virtue of the authority ve in vested in me as
mayor of the city of Bradon I do hereby issue this Proclamation honoring Black History Month February 2025 whereas Black History Month is observed annually in February to encourage all citizens to have a deeper
understanding of history and acknowledge the struggle for equality and freedom for all citizens and whereas in 1915 Dr Carter G Woodson founded the organization known as The Association
for the study of African American life and history and was instrumental in the origin of Black History Month and whereas black and African-Americans have continued to help enrich and shape the lives of all
communities through their contributions in arts law sciences and politics and whereas the 2025 Black History Month theme of African-Americans and labor
focuses on the profound ways that work intersects with many experiences thoughts black history throughout black history whereas the city of Bradon wishes to acknowledge the lifelong
sacrifices and successes for all black and African-Americans and stands firmly in remembrance of the past and looks optimistically for all to thrive and be respectful in their
communities now therefore be it resolved that I Jean Brown as mayor of the city of Bradon Florida do hereby Proclaim February 2025 as Black History Month in Bron and
urge all citizens to recognize the significant contributions and challenges faced by black and African-Americans throughout our nation history Jean Brown mayor February 12th
2025 thank you who do we have coming forward miss suie good morning mayor and councel on behalf of the Manatee County NAACP we extend a sincere thanks and appreciation for declaring February 2025
as Black History Month as you know we live in a very diverse Community here in the city of Bradington and I so grateful and thankful that each of you thought it worthy to recognize the citizens of color here in Van of the city of
Bradington again thank you very much for designating February as Black History Month as we celebrate the history and the contributions of All Blacks who have com uh contributed to the well-being of
this city again I say thank you thank you so we want to get a picture yep come on up here Susie kind of hold the proclamation over yep David can try to get the picture P yeah you can sit it's easier for you
to probably sit your way around you closer thank you very much thank you thank you good job Madame clerk there are not any presentations scheduled today
okay okay this time we'll call for citizen comment citizen comment will be accepted during the citizen comment portion of the meeting on any non-agenda items agenda item future agenda item or topic of relevance to the City comments will be
addressed on public hearings at the appropriate time one of the things that we do do in this uh chamber is this is a business meeting it's important to remember um obviously we just had Applause for a couple of things here but
during the meeting we will not have any uh Applause booze you know because you may agree or disagree with somebody but we're going to be fair to everybody and this is the only warning I probably will say it again before we get to the the public hearing but we're going to respect everybody up here and their
opinions and I believe probably it's going to be pretty close to 5050 in the room with the number of emails that we got and letters that we've got that's about what they are and uh so we're going to be respectful and if you do you know happen to have an outbreak you will
be asked to leave and uh we're just trying to be respectful and get through a meeting we are going to have a hard break at 11:30 for a meeting that this Council has to go to so so we'll see where we get to and then we will come back after lunchtime and there's going to be some timing in that too so we will
try to get through everything so um first citizen comment I have is from it looks like is it Casey Brewer yes sir okay you can come forward you'll have three minutes and um the AL
alarm the time will go off and then we'll move on during citizen comment there is no response from the council until at the end and we have four comments so um if the council decides to respond to any of it it'll be done after everyone speaks so you have four or
three minutes at this time yes sir thank you so good morning M state your name and and city of residence I'm sorry Brewer I am with CA freedom and I actually live in St Petersburg but CA Freedom has a residential home an
assessment home um here in this area so uh good morning mayor uh Brown and steam City Council Members Chief melany bevon and fire chief Tim gear I want to take a moment to sincerely thank you for
considering um because I did send an email out um a letter of support to US Representative Vern Banning for the three million of funding for sailor Freedom your leadership and advocating for survivors of sex trafficking is invaluable and will make a lasting
impact in our community Community this funding is critical um to sustaining three essential programs that directly serve survivors one is our assessment home which is a critical First Step our assessment home which is located in um
within the brington jurisdiction um is where survivors journey to Healing Begins this six to eight-week program provides immediate safety and stabilization for women escaping sex trafficking survivors receive Medical and mental health evaluations trauma
informed counseling and Crisis Intervention case management and personalized recovery plan this home is a place where survivors could take their first deep breath where they can finally pause what we refer to as
Sila for many this is the first time they have felt safe in years is the first time they can reflect on their past without fear and begin to Envision a new future this pause this moment of Stillness is the first step toward lasting Freedom
our residential program which is up to two years are for those who are ready to continue their Journey our residential program offers a structured long-term environment where survivors can heal and rebuild their lives over a period of up
to two years um so it's safe housing comprehensive therapy and Trauma Recovery Services education and vocational training and life skill development to promote to promote Independence many of the women in our care have never had the opportunity to
experience stability education or Career Training this program empowers them to break free from their past and step into a future with hope and opportunity our outreach program works closely with training with our police law enforcement
FBI and Homeland Security they work closely on sting operations and because all not all survivors are able or ready to enter a shelter immediately which is why our outreach program plays a crucial role our team goes into high-risk
environments such as gels strip clubs and trafficking hotspots to offer survivors a way out through this program we provide direct support and mentorship um connections to Safe housing and resources thank you all
right thank you move on to Sarah Johnston and next will be Patrick panach so I can be getting ready please state your name and your joh I'm from the historic River District of brenon in regards to the city of Bradenton city code of no
chickens all I have to say is I've been up here before in front of you and I was clearly not heard I feel very let down by the city of Bradington we did everything right in regards to our backyard neighbors violating a city code 114 22nd Street which all of you are
very familiar with him with him being the city of Bradenton Planning Commission chairman a role which holds a high degree of ethical responsibility not to mention a realator I personally went over to discuss the issue with their chickens in October after months
of nuisance as soon as I mentioned the city in regards to chickens the conversation came to an end with his wife saying why did you contact the city I then contacted the codee after my attempt to contact the Neighbors in October for the city to
take this matter in their own hands the city made contact with them a week later according to the records Bacher said they took care of the rooster but not the chickens the city code records show continuing attempts in past months October November December
and January with them continuing to violate the city code yet till this day February 12th we are still going through all this especially the norm no this issue has been going on for months and I thought that we were going to get some relief or Justice for someone knowingly
and purposely violating a city code on February 4th at the magistrate we did not maybe coincidental I am assuming unfortunately he rubbed shoulders with Rob Perry who put in requests for the workshop meeting on January 29th for chickens six days before bacher's
hearing the city has allowed one of their own to violate city codes without any repercussion question I just hope everyone up in front of me today gets to experience what we still are and have been going through for several months of the noise smell pool getting flooded
with feces and feathers and then you will actually know what we have gone through we love the city of Bradon or not tell me what you think is this a chicken or a rooster February 10th in the afternoon again Monday February
10th thank you thank you you Patrick penich morning Patrick panas uh 109 23rd Street uh Bradington um I'm in transparency I am Sarah's husband I did want to cover just a couple of items here during my three minutes and I do
see there's a timer up here so that helps a bunch I appreciate that um I did send on January 29th the date of this uh so-called chicken uh hearing not hearing but Workshop uh a letter voicing my opposition to CH being
chickens being allowed in the city of Bradington having been raised on a farm of 80 acres and heav chickens cows pigs and other domesticated and other animals there's a time and place for everything uh the city of brington with lots that
are uh less than 1/5 of an acre in many cases does not allow for the adequate uh use or or proliferation of chickens in the city I do have a couple points I'd like to make besides being my general opposition to any change to the current
ordinance for the city of Bradington relating to chickens as Sarah mentioned we've witnessed this firsthand for the last several months and we've invested in 2024 in the city of brington in many cases based on the Law and Order In
rington we haven't seen that so far we've experienced our own pool being flooded with chicken feces during October uh September and October of this year uh causing significant uh loss of our living space and additional cost of
cleanup we understand that the probability of residents having chickens in Bradington um they face a 79% uh probability of flooding over a 30-year period with 24 in or so of rain not to
mention the heavy rains that occur much more often we believe that um any any change again is a violation and quite frankly discriminatory to people that have small Lots live in apartments and probably could most economically benefit from
having chickens in in their proximity they will not get that opportunity as as mentioned I'm personally appalled that a chairman for the Planning Commission would knowingly and blatantly violate the ordinance and
codes of the city of brington and also being a realtor both of which have a code of ethics responsibility if I was in that p uh in that position I would personally either resign or adhere to the code thank you thank you
Andrea kise kenise I was trying to think of I thought she got married okay all right please state your name and address have three minutes good morning everyone I'm Andrea kenice and I am
joined today by some of our members of the friends of manate village and we are the nonprofit organization who owns and maintains the historic collection of the manatee Village Historical Park and that does
include the historic buildings and old cabbage head the locomotive we are located at 1404 Manatee Avenue East we are here today to express our interest in being considered when the property and building of the current Bradington Fire Department
Station number two which is located at 1401 7th Avenue East is vacated when the new station is complete this property would give Manatee Village Historical Park the entire block that it now sits on but it also would give us a place for
essential storage for this historic collection and also meeting space not only for our organization but other historic organizations throughout the county so thank you for your consideration and we look forward to possibly discussing this with you in the future thank you very
much all right at this time I do not have any further comment cards that are not going to be on the public um one thing that I did want to pass along is for our first speaker um I did talk with the chief and normally in the past the
chief has given a letter um and is willing to do that again I did talk with uh Vern banan's office here locally and they you know said from the standpoint of from the city that would probably suffice of being that so I know the chief could maybe get with you and and
figure that one out to to get it as as far as on behalf of the police department of the city which would be sufficient enough Chief we um we already reached out we've been a supporter of Sal freedom I have for probably 15 years um it's it's based in St Pete on a more
local level um we've offered support letters for the Tyler program which is based out of uh Sarasota so we've reached out and ask you for a template it's a it's a good program it's um Quality and it really helps folks get off the street we we do remain we're on the um human trafficking task force we
have a member there so absolutely okay thank you for coming anything else on any other of the the comments other than the the fire department will obviously be a work in progress till everything's done and I think Mr Perry and through Administration will come up
with a plan as we go forward and see what opportunity is out there when they bring it to the council sir okay all right Miss Barnaby thank you Mr Mayor um since the issue was CH with chickens was raised in this meeting and and the uh
impetus for this is coming out of my ward I think it's important that we take a look at several different things one is we have had over the last several years individuals that have come forward and wanted to have chickens in the city there is actually a lobbying
organization called cluck citizens lobbying for urban chicken keeping so we if you see cluck at our meetings it's it's a legit group um when you have an issue come
forward where you have some that are for and some that are against and people have been asking for it I think it is this it's important to the city that we do our due diligence and that we investigate the issue and one of the ways to do it is to be looking at current ordinance and
ordinances around us it does not mean an ordinance will automatically be changed what it means means is that we will get staff reports we will have information come forward we will get letters from citizens regarding this issue and then
at the appropriate time in a public Hearing in a public meeting there will be a discussion and a vote taking place again it does not mean that something automatically changes but that is the way that we choose to operate government in the city
of Bradon and I think those of you that have been here for a few years and and know that the Council does not usually do knee-jerk reactions we usually take our time we make sure that we have facts and we can't talk to each other about
these issues except in these meetings so it does take time and with the add the uh issue of code enforcement code enforcement does take time and the way that it is set up in the State of Florida it takes longer than I think
most any citizen would understand but that doesn't make it wrong it doesn't make it Incorrect and it doesn't mean that we are doing something inappropriate or illegal if you look at the United States government and the way that it was set up why was it set up that way it was set
up to move slowly because our founding fathers and mothers were used to the representative of the crown coming in and taking your property immediately and you were dismissed and that's why things take a long time in government does make all of
us up here happy that things take a long time not necessarily so but it means that we are taking our time we are looking at issues and we are being I think appropriate when it comes to making changes in our
laws thank you vice mayor Kramer thank you sir thank you Mrs Barnaby uh those of you who come to these meetings or watch them a lot no I don't really say a lot because a lot of times my colleagues have said a lot and I don't really have to say anything more
uh in this situation however Mrs Johnson uh you made an assertion that Mr Perry somehow finagled to have a workshop pulled right before any type of
special magistrate meeting uh I will tell you that after Mr panasik your husband spoke at the January 8th meeting in this can be verified by checking the minutes or watching the Youtube video um after your husband spoke uh there was some brief discussion up here and Mrs
Coker actually requested that we have a workshop on the topic of chickens so I believe one of the questions the concerns your husband had was that we would not move fast enough and did not know how long it would take for resolution well the next available
opportunity for us to have a workshop we did discuss that topic so we I believe at the workshop put it forth the staff to try to determine if there's any research needs to be done on this topic in any other
jurisdictions and to see what could be done on our behalf so um I just want to put that out there for the record because I tend to get uh when I do speak up here it's in defense of employees um not everybody does everything great but
in this situation that assertion is um inaccurate thank you thank you vice mayor Kramer anything else all right moving on Madam clerk item seven is the consent agenda
and staff is requesting that item J be pulled to bring forward at a later date okay so J will be pulled items a through I and K through Q chair will entertain a
motion approve I through or a through I and K through Q some some move okay so we have a motion by vice mayor Kramer second by Mrs Coachman I'll okay oh did
you have discussion yeah okay Mrs Coker on a second all right any further discussion hearing yes ma'am um and correct me if I'm out of order uh regarding item C I noted that we tabled
the issue of the EDC contract until January 22nd and that date has now passed so is that something that we need to revisit formally or address in some kind of motion to continue to table it I guess I'm addressing that to Il
legal well that date is already passed I'm not sure there's much we can do at this point but yes I mean the council can make a determination whether it should be on a future agenda or not but the from this standpoint we've already passed that date so we're just approving the minutes of that meeting and we can
bring it up at a later date or do in the future all right good question um all right so we have a motion in a second to approve consent agenda a through I and K through q i we'll start
the vote inward three yes four yes five yes one yes two yes carries five to zero Madame clerk at this time I'll administer the oath anyone wishing to address city council during the following public hearings will please
stand and raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the factual statements and representations which you are about to present to this board will be truthful inaccurate thank you item 8 a is the public hearing for
resolution 2502 Mr Delong welcome good morning good morning mayor city council mayor for the day look excited up there I'm Greg dong assistant director of planning Community Development um I
have been sworn in the case we have before you today is res solution 252 it's a special use case 24-3 it is to allow for a club otherwise known as a Reception Center to be located at 1720 manity Avenue West
here's just basic case information the applicant is Adam and Kathleen leaver again there's the address it is on about just under an acre in land size has a Urban Village current zoning classification and a future land use classification of urban Urban Village
and it also is an flood AE and ve zones um currently the use is an office building um the special use approval would allow for a Reception Center here's just the general location of this it's along W's Creek as you're going westbound it' be the first property on your right if you're on manity Avenue
West and here is a general site plan that the applicant submitted showing the parking on the fac on the property kind of the general layout um most of the use will be outdoors for this uh proposed use type um since it has limited space on the inside and at this point I'm
going to turn it over they should be here there they are um there a lot of people in the audience today um I'm G to turn over to Adam and Kathleen the favor to talk a little bit about their project then I'll come back up and I'll just remind um I know we're starting out with different projects that are some aren't
here for but um the applicant and the staff has time to go through things and we'll open it up for a public hearing and you'll have three minutes on that um but we are going to have decorum today obviously where you know if you like something or dislike it you know we're
not going to have cheering or Applause or that so we're just going to keep the decorum and keep the meeting going so welcome thank you thank you first of all good morning uh mayor and uh city council Adam and Cathy Le faer we're the owners of 1720 manate Avenue
West um really our goal is to highlight a beautiful piece of property um have people enjoy the water and the views we've tried to to put this all together so it's safe and controlled and um we um think it's it's our compliments that
people have out there is that they just love the piece of ground they love the the pieace there and I know that it's a high demand right now because of stuff that's happened out of the island that there's a lot of venues that just got cancelled and so we're trying to present
this we figured out from parking if there's overflow we got valet parking um and we put uh you know we put everything that we think in place that would make this a safe sound and good decision for for it to be rezoned we'd also like at this time been uh like to
inquire on getting a viewing dock just to get a dock I know it's something that we have to mention here that it's at least requested then that it goes through that process but we'd like to do that so okay thank you
any questions for them um anyone questions I didn't see any all right thank you I'll move on with my presentation thank you again here's the parcel um at the corner or Long manity Avenue West at where's Creek it as I mentioned earlier
it's Zone UV and it also has a future land use of UV which is Urban Village um as I mentioned um this is a proposed club or Reception Center the applicant has been operating it on site um for an unknown specif specified limit of time
um we're not clear on that but um they've also installed the dock um that is something that is prohibited in the UV zoning district and that's why I mentioned to them to bring that up today if that's something city council wants us to look into it could be a quick zone change um to our form base or land use
regulations to allow docs in the UV zoning District um here is the use table out of the land use regulations um as you can see a club is marked as a special use we went with the club terminology from staff perspective because our codes really do not address reception centers
and banquet halls except in the forign based code where it calls out for convention centers that is the only place we really have them so in working with the applicant we went down the Avenue of the club um designation to try to allow them to find a use type that would be um fitting the key thing with
the club thing is it does allow for alcohol sales um we did look at private events which is listed in our code you cannot have alcohol sales at a private event so with it being a Reception Center and weddings and events like that we know people um you know like to consume some
beverages um here is just a summary of the project again um the property has one point of Ingress and egress um it does contain nine off street parking spaces with two of them being Ada um we're trying to figure out the calculation for parking our code was a little um unclear on which way to go so
we went with um places of assembly which requires one per three um one space per three visitors based on maximum capacity we're unknown on that capacity but part of our stipulations at this point with their additional off street parking that they are going to be um requesting or
providing um there is a cap on how many attendees can be on on site um we also have a clause in our code under Section 4.1.4 point2 letter a um you can the planning community development director
has the authority to allow for parking within 400 feat of the proposed use as long as it's not in a residential district um the applicant as part of this uh proposal is utilizing um has an agreement with a First Presbyterian Church to allow for parking at their
facility that exceeds the 400 feet limits it's like 700 ft and you'll see that in the later slide so that is a request it's part of the stipulations that they get that agreement um and that you guys are allowing them if you do approve this to exceed that 400 feet um we do have a limit on how far they can
go but that will allow for them to move forward with that um then they and for the building itself they have designated just a little over th Square F feet of the existing building for the reception Center as I mentioned earlier the primary use and Mr lafaver um reiterated
it will be for the outdoor and Waterfront space um they are proposing no cooking on site the catering services will be uh will bring in prepared food and Beverages and as I mentioned earlier there will be the sale of alcohol or um you know as part of the whatever events are going on on it may not be sales but
it's just part of the event um we did take this to our DRC Group which is our development Review Committee um they met back on December 17th of 2024 um The Building Division did have some concerns with the building itself um they are going to require that they do a change of occupancy um because currently the
building is classified as a business office and now with a Reception Center it changes the classification to assembly fire department had a very similar concern so that will be a process they need to U complete after approval should it be approved and um that exit doors need to be properly um
swing in the right direction apparently there's one exit door that swings inward instead of outward um the police did have some concerns about the distance of the off street parking um agreement and pedestrians uh going to and from the
property um planning staff did ask some questions about the hours of operation and the plans on mitigation of noise and lights with a proximity to Residents across the Waterway As We Know manity avue West in this area is pretty commercial but there are residents nearby um here is just the parking
regulations out of our code under Section 4.1.4 point1 um talks about how we uh it talks about the one per three um parking spaces per maximum capacity in addition it talks about the 400 foot distance requirement that the PCD
director can allow but in this instance as I mentioned it exceeds the 400 and they're at around 750 and there's the clause also about not having your parking in non for a non-residential use um within a residential district so what they're proposing is would be allowed should it
be approved by city council here's just a quick map I drew and my attempt to draw the best straight line I could from property to property um the property over here is where the proposed reception or club would be um and this is the area for the parking agreement
over here with with uh First Presbyterian Church um the UV zoning District um talks about has a quick summary in our land use regulations it talks a little bit about it being desired for um small lots more walkable Community kind of on
the periphery of the downtown area um we only have really three UV zoning areas within the whole city um this is one of them it runs from the we's Creek to 20 or to um 26th Street um we also have a little bit of it down by um Bradon
Tropical Palms on 14th and there is a cluster of it out in The Villages of Glen Creek where they were looking at putting some commercial development out in part of their um project out there so we' have very limited UV zoning in the city and that's probably why the doc
question came up earlier they're really not on Waters waterfronts except for this few properties here on manity Avenue West here's just some site photos I took on a Saturday morning um of the property as I was driving there it was
very foggy but cleared up when I got got to the site so we got some beautiful photos of the property um looking across the Waterway um looking at the rear of the property um where they have it set up for the reception Center Club here is looking to the South across the street
um you have the Women's Club on this photo here which has a similar use type they do run it out for events and that was actually brought up at the Planning Commission meeting and here's just looking some photos again to the southwest and also to the west of the directly to the west of the subject
property and then of course looking to the North or to the East and the Northwest General standards these are in the code these are things that be considered by um Planning Commission and city council as you make your decision on whether use should be allowed or not
and that is 3.3.1 of the land use regulations and there's also some review criteria that fall into place with that too responses were in the submitted staff report so they are on record and then there's the review criteria under 3.3 . 2.5 um and these
again the responses can be found in the submitted staff report and application materials to beond record it talks about the adequacy of um Ingress and egress to properties design of off street parking um utilities screening and buffering
signage um just the value of the effect or the value on surrounding properties if it's going to negatively or positively affected the adequacy of the land use um Environmental Quality and also consist consistency with the city's comprehensive plan um staff comments City council's
encouraged to evaluate this request based on the provided criteria as input from staff the applicant and the public um it is in staff's opinion that the request is found to be inconsistent with the intent of section 3. 3.2.5 of the land use regulations and the design
element of the comprehensive plan um Planning Commission did meet on January 15th of 2025 they did recommend approval with stipulations by a vote of 40 those stipulations are listed below um we did have some hours of operation
um one of those during the week uh would be from 6 uh or excuse me during the week from 6:00 pm till 12: midnight and then um on the weekends Saturday and Sunday could be from 12:00 noon to midnight um that they need to get the
change of occupancy approved uh that there be a right turn only sign installed on the property for people exiting the property so they're not trying to turn left on to manity Avenue West um that the Overflow parking shall not exceed a distance greater to 1,000 square ft of the subject property um and
that is basically due to the crosswalks um to lack of crosswalks in the area and trying to keep people on the same side of the street so we're not having people darting across manity Avenue and that they also get um a agreement with the church that we can have recorded um that
this Reception Center shall be limited to 27 attendees unless the applicant has in place that offside agreement and form acceptable to the city which provides for parking to accommodate additional attendees and has provided the city with that copy additional attendees shall be limited to three for every off street
parking space provided for a maximum capacity of 150 or less if the building official and the Fire Marshall determine the building capacity at a later date so we got to get that information but right now um if they do get an off-site uh parking
agreement with the church they could have a capacity of up to 150 and that no on-site cooking and baking be related to the subject use and that they have all proper permits um related to that if they're bringing in food trucks and everything else for events so that is pretty much my quick summary of
the project if you have any questions for me any questions oh no no Miss Coker okay uh I guess a couple of questions with the change to the assembly what other um um uses could
come in later this would H well with the assembly that's just a building classification okay this use type only would be for a for a club but assembly you could have churches things like that under a building classification a church
would be its own separate use type in the UV zoning District okay so this would only be for a club this you use type but the building Club I mean like do you mean like dance club no it's a Reception Center reception Reception Center yeah similar to The Women's Club
similar to The Women's Club across the street so and what about um till mid you said till midnight what about the noise ordinances and levels that it's allowed to be will it be allowed to be well they have to follow noise ordinances they
would have to follow the noise ordinance but we just put a limit on the hours just so that we could control it a little bit if city council feels the hours are running too late that is stipulation that you guys can change to an earlier hour if you feel it's more suitable I have had that conversation
with the applicant to maybe consider 10: p.m. instead of midnight as a stop time are the noise so our noise ordinance is it different in a residential I'm going to have to look to on that one I don't know that answer off the top of my head
I'm sorry we we'd look at it but it you know until it becomes a concern I I don't know that you know obviously that has to follow everything you know and usually what elicits A noise complaint is very loud music drums bass that type of stuff
typically not small party Gatherings you know outside noise so and and it it's Equitable throughout the city we don't um focus specifically on residential versus business everybody's held to the same standards well i' make a comment to
that because obviously I live in residential downtown and the bishop has events and you know it goes to they they abide by the noise ordinance which sometimes you get you know people concerned but they stop when they're supposed to stop and this would
be I believe similar to that because they live on the water the water makes a difference but I think that would have to be something if it just did pass would be addressed in in the right way and sometimes the way you face your music makes a difference too so you know
that could be addressed I think Mrs Barnaby had questions yes um well first I I want to stipulate to me there's a difference between the Women's Club and what the applicant is proposing the women's club's activities occur
inside their building it's very rare that they have something outside the building maybe they've done a wedding reception and the bride and groom come out and people throw confetti but they are not using their their outside area for event space um so apparently this
has been operating without proper permits for how long we are unsure of that exact date and but it's been but it has been occurring and we have a dock even though
that is not permitted correct thank you I just anything else me I know oh okay I just Ed Miss Moore um uh to miss coker's Point our offices
or office use permitted with the club the office use is an allowable use in District it's just the club it falls under the special use classification okay therefore it has to go through a public hearing process okay and um I also had questions about what the
difference between a viewing Dock and a jet ski dock and also why what's the theory behind no docks in the Urban Village that's a good question I really don't know the answer of why um the only thing I can think of if you look at the definition for what the Urban Village
um let me go back I apologize for flipping through here um the lower paragraph is really the the paragraph that describes what the Urban Village is and the future land use code and our comprehensive plan it's talking more in the periphery of the downtown like I
said we have very limited areas we have three and I said it goes from man the where's Creek out to 26th on both sides of manity Avenue we have a little bit down in front of Bron Tropical Palms on on 14th and then there's a little parcel
down in The Villages of Glen Creek really most of these are not waterfront properties they're more on your corridors the peripheries sorry the peripheries of your downtown so I don't know if that was the thinking on why they did not allow docks back in the day and and when they did the code but it
has come come up so we did request that he bring it up in this meeting we were also going to bring it up if that's a code change that city council would be open to us working on it would be a quick fix in our code to get it done um but there are very few Parcels that have water Frontage that are in the uv's
district but this would allow for them to have that opportunity okay and then just one more um given the concerns uh that I believe are being expressed about the current use without having gone through this process
is there a way to ensure compliance with the stipulations and or make the the grant of the special use contingent upon compliance with the stipulations well whatever stipulations you approve there will be a recorded
document made our department through code enforcement will keep an eye on events going on there and making sure they are staying within the stipulations required so it becomes a code enforcement it's a Code Enforcement issue in the end and then actually I did have what one more I hope I'm going to remember it um oh um at the end of your
report you said that it had been determined to be inconsistent with the um Urban Village use but I don't totally know if I what what had you kind of like boiled into that was it the it was basically yeah it was basically this this section right here on your screen right now where it
talks about what the you know Urban Village is um in the future in landu it talks more about live work opportunities kind of not traffic oriented type uses clubs and reception centers are a lot more traffic oriented you have people
coming in to go to the events items like that I mean Urban Village doesn't even allow drive-thru restaurants it's kind of more of a pedestrian feel again it's on the periphery of your downtown area that's why we felt as staff it did not really meet this use type really did not meet what the future land use was
calling for when it came to the Urban Village um definition so do I understand that you have concerns about the safety of pedestrian traffic but we are trying to encourage walkability the the police department and the uh development review
committee meeting did bring up safety because of the distance they are walking because it's basically across the bridge over where's Creek that was a concern that came up and also traffic pulling in and out of the property that that's where the right-hand turn sign came in that we would have them turn right
instead of trying to cut across manity Avenue West to go eastbound um just for a safety precaution I mean it's just a stipulation most businesses over there don't have that on their property this is just something we felt with the potential volume of people trying to exit at one time it'd be a good
condition to put on there to help help protect the residents and both on foot and in cars I'm gonna go to miss Coachman but I wanted to comment on something that Miss Moore just said and I agree with her obviously everything we're doing is trying to make it more walkable more
opportun unity and my concern was if they were parking across the street on the street where most of the Braden Women's Club people park because they don't probably meet any codes of today with their parking lot because you have
to park all down the street and everywhere um this is the same side of the street so they don't have to cross the street if they get that agreement with First Presbyterian so that that was something that I saw that I thought was a good thing if they got it and then it
keeps the traffic off Manatee Avenue until later um and then another thing is that that we hear a lot about in this town is we don't have any venues to have smaller events um we had a great Braden and Auditorium for a lot of years but
when that became more costly and wasn't you know it was costing the city hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain and wasn't bringing in that's why we shuttered it the way we did so and and again you know if if we ever try to get that perfect thing in the perfect
place we'll never have anything so miss Coachman thank you it sounds like we need to tidy up our terminology a little bit too because Club is vague yeah so that that's definitely a hope something we could look at as well um historically
I understand you we're not sure how long it's been functioning but it has been what type of events have occurred and has there been any concerns you know brought by you know brought up from the residents that that are well I can
answer part two of that and I will have the applicant come back up and address part one um we have not heard anything to date um from our end from a code enforcement or noise or anything but as for the type of events I will have Mr leaver come up and address that and I'll
say something before he gets up on that um when they when it first started happening we were getting some noise complaints because does travel farther louder across water but then when they found out about that I haven't got any
in a long time because I think they realized we don't want to upset the neighbors even though the neighbors are pretty far away and most of those neighbors are in this room right now so which is maybe good or bad luck for you but it's just one of those things so I I
I I hear what you're saying but now that you know should they get the special permit then that might it might you know grow a bit and then the residents are going to have the I don't disagree with that but also you know you've got to hold them accountable
for meeting what we've got too so because that was one of the first things we got and that kind of started all this process that's what brought that's what I was thinking um if I'd like to address a couple of those concerns if you if you don't mind so first of all we own the
property this is a tenant so when the tenant came they were operating already already as this type of facility so we didn't really know out of ignorance that we're out of compliance so there's only been a couple venues there's been wedding venues and they've run them nice
the neighbors are all happy all that so when we found out that we're out of compliance as the owners we've come in here and and have tried to make sure that we're in compliance we have several properties in town we want to be part of bradyon in a good way uh we don't want
to be out of order the jet skis I guilty with an explanation I had nowhere to put them uh with the floating jet ski dock so if I got to remove them I'll remove them um but we're trying we're the only ones without a dock on the water so we don't understand all of them are you
know have to be redone the storm wiped them all out we just really want a viewing dock uh so we're guilty with an explanation on the dock we own that um but as far as the venue are trying to venue they've canceled everything they they had all kinds of people wanting to
do it because the islands been not available so they've literally stopped you know from doing this thing so we haven't tried to purposely being out of compliance or defiant at all so we were under the impression that we were okay
we be they became a tenant um they're good tenants and then we're trying as a property owners to make sure that we have the right entitlements to to bless their venue so that's that's what happened so they have advertise as an
event space and how long has has it been operating well they've been ten for about six months and I think they've done three venues um and we did them to without knowing and they had one booked
uh again as the property owners we don't want to lose a tenant because we got to make that happen and we don't want to be out of compliant so we felt a little bit caught and we're in here to try to do it right to have it right and we've stopped
all of it um until we have it right so hopefully we get favorable blessing today um but that's really the that's really what happened and that's the chain of events so we haven't been maliciously trying to defy City or the or the um Council I understand I think
that type of events too that we've done it they did a wedding event they did a birthday party and then they did a um awake celebration of life yeah celebration of life there so I think that's the events they've done so traditionally those aren't parties that go till midnight anyway so if there was
a stipulation of a time that could probably be worked in yeah the compliments have been phenomenal with Bradon people coming in the for the views and everything then we did also we went to the church they said they've never made that type of consideration before there there's 80 spots there
anything above 50 people will vet and they'll Park to that so they don't have to walk on that same side we'll put a one you know one way out because it is a little bit like playing Frogger to get out there you know to get out of that building just as our own normal it's a
5500t building this tenant takes 1,000 square feet of it it's got full sprinkler systems throughout the whole entire building everything's done I'm sure we'll meet all the fire compliance and all this and then what they do inside the their thousand square ft they have about 50 Chairs set up with tables
and this everything all the food is Catered in so we have three other tenants that we take the rest of the building you know and into it and we are we permanently have our main offices there too so anything else you'd like
and if I may ask then so the how was the parking done for those other events did the church agree at that time yes so the church already has agreed so it's already and we've already they've got all the everything in riding
everything done with them and right now there's just been a small enough venues that they've been able to really Park on our own so anything 50 and under that spot can pretty much take care of and then the other tenants so we've we'll identify you know where the other
tenants have parking because um make sure that everybody's happy there okay have Miss Coker and then miss Barnaby yeah I don't know if this is for staff but um as far as the dock being built without a permit I I'm just I find
that hard to believe that you could do that without the knowledge I mean built it was just a floating dock that they just oh okay okay yeah we we've requested for a dock a year and a half ago so all the drawings all the renderings all it we've
went in and theyve said you have to you know everything where when we bought the property we've owned it for about 2 years so we right away we requested for Doc had all the dock all the drawings everything brought into City to have it and they said because of zoning even though we're the only ones without a dock we'd have to come in and get it
rezoned oh okay and so okay yeah so the floating jet ski docks guilty with an explanation I own okay okay Miss Barnaby um just a wee bit of History this building for many years was
operated by Wade Thompson it was a law office um the reason many of the properties along RW Boulevard along Manatee Avenue then into Riverview Boulevard the reason they have docks is because they were originally residential
homes and they were allowed to have a dock um when the change occurred from a a law office what and I live very near there what went through the neighborhood was it was going to be an
Airbnb again in the absence of fact rumor is K so it was supposed to be an Airbnb and then um because I traversed there quite a lot I did see the events that were taking
place um again at the Women's Club everything occurs inside what you're asking for is something that's going to be primarily an outside venue and while the neighbors haven't
complained I think the the Senate should be the neighbors haven't complained yet because if you were to rent for five six times a week and you were out Monday through Friday until
midnight my phone would ring my phone is published my phone would ring and I'd start getting calls about 10:30 11 o'clock at night during the week so um we're going to go into public
hearing relatively soon but I will tell you I will not support the hours that have been put forward and I'm not sure I can support this to begin with yeah so we try to um be real friendly and give back uh as many times as we can I know
the um the venue next door would be a venue that also might use us for outdoor some of the Women's Club so we've talked to them we want to share this for the community for what that is um then property owners Tom and Susan M right
next door bless us they've seen the venue they've seen what's happened they do have an Airbnb two doors down we've never had a purpose to make an Airbnb that was never it I my main companies and offices we take upstairs we have a financial company downstairs we have a
lawyer downstairs so we it's always been an office building and that's what it was I have the best surveillance in town we have a 247 policemen sitting in the window Bron brenon Bob yeah Bron Bob is um but whatever uh there's we don't see the
venue or the hours um needed to be real real late I think they've been out since uh 10:00 um is when they've shut down so whatever we need to do to be compliant that's our motive okay all right thank you other questions
um anything final from staff uh one thing Mr rudisell I did want to since this is quad judicial that we just wanted to probably I should have probably did it early on but we'll do it for the whole meeting because there's several of them that saying that as we get going through um one of the things
that I think sometimes residents don't understand is that when we start to get emails and different things a lot of them won't get answered because when it is quasa judicial we're not allowed to you know we can probably acknowledge that we received it but you know I've always taken it as it's best just not to
answer anyway so somebody can't say well oh so and so or council member the mayor answered my question we've got to stay neutral we've got to stay with an open mind come in and then hear the evidence and then make a decision so under quasa judicial you know has anyone on the
council had anything for any of that we're going to go through today should we wait till each one I would wait for each one on the record for that item record but so on this one if when we get to those points if you felt like you've had something that may not recuse you
from voting but you did have some you know contact I'll say right out months and months if a year or more ago I had contact with this applicant not about this particular thing but about other things in the city of Bradenton that properties that he owns so you know if
it did come down where I had to have a vote it would be very neutral on this new product but but you know people come to the mayor's office a lot and want to say here's what we're excited about seeing in downtown Bradon and we want to see something so um but is anyone on
this spef specific um plan resolution that we're doing have anything mayor mayor I had one comment regarding this project they the the owners have gone a great extent to meet the life safety uh requests of the fire
department and you know that comes with considerable cost so we really appreciate it okay so they they've done a lot of work to make that a safe building thank you Miss Moore I have acted a settlement agent for the closing of other properties owned by the applicant um I also have done some legal work in the the pass for them but I
consulted with legal about whether or not that raised a conflict of interest that I had for for which I had to recuse myself because they are former clients and currently represented by other Council I do not legally have to do that and because of that analysis I do in
fact have to vote I cannot abstain um think oh and also just to the point about the emails while we're if we're on the subject I have acknowledged many of the emails uh with a I'm sure that uh folks who received the email have already understood that it was a
pretty perfunctory and same comment to everyone which was just an acknowledgement of the email and a note I mean a line saying this is quasi judicial and therefore I cannot discuss it okay all right thank you um at this time we'll open the public hearing
anyone wishing to speak anyone wishing to speak anyone wishing to speak hearing none we'll close the public hearing chair will entertain comment or a motion Mr Mayor yes ma'am Miss Barnaby pardon me just a moment I had
closed something GRE can you bring back up the probably the hours as if I'm guessing sure I'll bring up the condition right the conditions and problem we're on two pages but Mrs Barnaby if I am remembering
correctly which is a sometimes I'm good sometimes I'm not with this if I'm remembering correctly I think that our noise ordinance Sunday through Thursday is different than Friday and
Saturday or but that ex Mr Mayor I did pull up the ordinance and take a look at it it has it has different days of the week times zoning
districts decel level so it's comprehensive in terms of um how it's applied and we went through this several years ago before I think any of you were back on the council or new to the council where we actually got
ordinance we were judging it we went outside we went because we were having some over Poma Causeway an area that was having some issues um but we updated the sound meters we have those're they're calibrated but we haven't used them in
right had we haven't had had to yeah I mean it was a big issue at that moment with some other developments in in the area but yes ma'am well I'm sorry go ahead no no I mean well I actually may um if procedurally appropriate I would actually like to ask Miss
Barnaby are there hours that would make you more comfortable given your familiarity with the area um I am very familiar with the area I again for those that may not remember or weren't here I did serve on the
council from 1998 to 2012 and then came back in at 2020 and I think what I'm remembering is from my previous privilege of serving here there are problems when you
have activities on waterfronts because people do not realize how the sound can travel there are times when um we are having
our regular events on Old Main Street and I can hear it at my house on 21st Street and there are times that uh paletto may be doing something and it comes across the Manatee River and Mr dong do me a favor
please start pronouncing the T in manatee Manatee I don't watch Keith K or whatever his name is on Channel 8 because he doesn't pronounce manate t correctly I know but you know you did go to the Ohio State University and I know
that they made you pronounce things um speech therapist up here yeah speech therapist would appreciate it too uh but I digress so Miss barnby if I can jump in for a moment to um I mean we could
actually probably limit the days if we wanted to and the times um of course I do not like to get into somebody's personal business that much but if it was an opportunity and and again at one point many many years ago my parents were going to buy the
third house or two houses down from that and we were going to live in it when I was still younger but now most of those places along there our businesses there is an Airbnb in one of them that you know we've we've known about um I think
the biggest part of the residence would be more to the north and maybe down the river a little bit to the Northwest but a lot of times with sound you can direct the band in the right way you can do some things and after those
first complaints came to us code enforcement went out and I don't know how many more events they've had but we've got got none and the complaints were from probably some of the people in the room right now and there didn't seem to be any more so you
know again I don't necessarily love the location totally but I love the venue and the ones that I saw about a week ago it looked about 30 people and it looked like it was a wedding and I'm just driving by and you know it's it's really
playing on the Ambiance of what's right behind it and it's what we sell as our number one thing for the city of Bradington is the river so if there's a time that could work I mean me to me personally 10
o'clock that cuts a lot of time out um 10 p.m. and I don't know you know if they would even open it if it was Thursday through Saturday or something like I'm just throwing out times that something that could work and I didn't really put a lot of thought
into it before I read through it but you know well you normally don't have to vote I know so but I'm saying to thought of but I'm thinking of how we promote how we do things and how weddings and and uh other things that give people
venues that we don't necessarily have in downtown and I look at this as a smaller venue so I don't look at it as a bishop party on a Friday night that goes till midnight and it sounds like I'm sitting in the front row of the
band and I'm pretty far away Miss Barnaby finished are you want to go um I think I'm finished I think I'd like to hear what other members think okay I I think the biggest concern obviously is the noise I don't know if restricting
what they can do there as much as setting the the the the decibel level it can go to and I think 10:00 so that if you have a band outside and maybe later on a weekend I don't really know I I really would like to know what the noise
ordinance says um but that that that would be my concern I mean because I'm really weighing here I mean you've got this fabulous old building and I really applaud them what they've done to restore it because otherwise then what happens someone's going to have no choice but to come in tear it down build
some new building you know I just I'd like to help people that are really restoring an older building in that area it's not going to be residential now um it's too busy of a road um so I don't
want to restrict them from doing their business but I do want to be respectful of the neighbors with the noise so I think if we could just address the noise somehow um that that would make me a lot more comfortable yes ma'am um this is for
staff if if we restricted it more restricted uh for example something like 6 to 10 Monday through Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday 12 to midnight is it possible for the applicant to later again uh go through
the process to incre to change the stipulation um it have to come back again to get the re approval from you guys if you change the hours um and looking at the L or the noise ordinance it's pretty much for loudspeakers is 10
p.m. okay well downtown I was told it was 11 okay I'm just looking I I know but so maybe she already left but um one of them already left but yeah so because I was getting the complaints in River Dance and when they researched the
ordinance for it was 11 o'clock and soon as they turn the band though and put the back to River D you don't hear it you hear I wish so yes Mr P Mr Mayor I'd like to
make a motion to approve resolution 2502 with the stipulations recommended by staff however modifying stipulation a to have all End hours be 10
pm is there a second for discussion I I'll second for discussion purposes all right Mrs Moore second for discussion all right further discussion uh Mr Mayor before we vote on that we should bring the applicant back up to have them uh stay on the record if
they're in agreement with that modification okay the applicant come up and so you've heard the discussion and you know basically seven nights a week 10 o'clock is that something you'd agree to we're in agreement okay thank you thank
you any further discussion hearing none we'll start the vote in Ward four yes five yes one yes two no three yes carries four to one thank you
all right Mr dong are you still up and this again is another quasi judicial as we go through it if any council member has any conflict or anything on this next one please let us know all right good
morning Greg Delong assistant director of planning Community Development um this is going to be a familiar one to you it's another Sidewalk Cafe with alcoholic beverage sales this is case um special use 24-4 resolution
25-3 uh this property is 406 12 Street West otherwise known as The Lost kangaroo um Robert Wood ring is the applicant and owner of this uh property um again the address is 406 it's a small
lot um 988 Acres it's in our T5 urban center Transit zoning district with a urban core uh future land use um the existing use is a with alcoholic beverage sales and this special use approval would allow for the uh Sidewalk
Cafe um so he can serve alcohol out on the uh public sidewalk here is a location map um city hall is right here at the well this the parking garage but just a little bit north of there is where City Hall is this is 12th Street West otherwise known as old Main Street
here is just a quick summary of the proposed request that was submitted um I'll have Mr wood ring come up real quick and talk a little bit about his proposal and then I'll finish up the presentation Greg real quick give us a synopsis 30 seconds of why this is coming up now uh basically we're getting
our code um allows for sidewalk cafes but when their alcoholic beverage sales are involved then it becomes a special use uh so that we are getting everyone to kind of reup get in compliance um this also assists the police department because they have site plans that are approved so if there's some illegal
trespassing the police department can act upon that um it's pretty much just getting everyone in compliance with our special use requirements in our land use and our form based codes right and it's been asked for by this Council as well as the mayor's office and administration to say let's just get it all cleaned up
so we can process through our downtown a little easier there's been no you know we've been allowing them to come in fee free basically to get everything compant compliant and this will end probably in the next month with with others got a
few we're still chasing down well we're still we're still trying to work that so I'm just saying on the record that this is going to end and if you didn't do it you're going to then have to come in through the regular process or not be able to have your Outdoor Cafe Sidewalk Cafe so I just want that on the record
that we we are working with our downtown businesses through our police mostly through the police department to make it a safer family or friendly downtown for most of the time and they've all been the ones we've been working with have been great good thank you Cooperative turn over Mr Woodring real quick
good morning if you can just state your name and address for the record uh good morning uh Robert wooding 406 12 Street West Berington um I'm applying for a Sidewalk Cafe license um L kangaroo has been downtown on Main Street for over 30 years uh we have been on the current
location for over 15 years uh we're simply just asking to do conduct business we have in the last 15 years that at that location nothing more nothing less okay thank you any questions questions hearing none thank you yep
thank you Mr Delong my reader ready let's see here here's the zoning map showing uh the property as you can see it's T5 which is in our downtown area future land use urban core the property's cross-hatched
on this on that plan um here's just a definition of a Sidewalk Cafe it's basically an area where food or beverages serve from adjacent cafe or restaurant to patrons sitting at tables located within a sidewalk area adjacent to that cafe or restaurant and that definition comes out of our form based
code um as I mentioned earlier the form based code um does have sidewalk cafes as a permitted use if they're less than 20 seats which this one does and what it does though in the form based code it does kind of kick it over to the land
use regulations if there are alcoholic beverage sales on that public sidewalk so that is why we have to go through this process again here is just a quick summary of the proposed layout um he's going to have four tables 12 chairs there's two wooden benches there's going to be no
busing or hosting stations um the applicant has requested there are two large heavy benches out on the sidewalk he would like to keep them out but he will remove the remaining Furniture every evening so one of the stipulations that staff recommended should city council approve this would be that to
allow him to have the two benches um remain outside and this is the front facade of the building this this line right here and the benches are currently sitting out there you'll see them better in the photos I took of the property and the most important thing is the five foot the five foot we got to make sure
we keep that 5 foot for ADA compliance um here is a propos or pictures of the business when it was closed as you can see the the wood benches it's more prevalent in this photo here on the right that are sitting out there on the sidewalk and here are just some photos of the business when it is open and the
furniture that he has out on the sidewalks um comprehensive plan encourages uh you know sidewalk cafes in the downtown area um you know we want to have a walkable uh friendly city um that
everyone can go out and enjoy so it does encourage that um you know and it also does talk about in the policy and the comprehensive plan that 5 foot minimum uh clearance and that does meet the ADA requirements so everyone can be on our public sidewalks enjoying the beautiful
downtown we have um here are just some definitions of our sidewalk cafes um again this is out of the land use regulations and it talks about city council approval um items like that you know if there's alcoholic beverage sales and just some more stuff talks about
maintenance of the public sidewalk that you be uh kept clean that there's an Indemnity agreement provided um to the city um we are working on collecting those right now from previous approvals I'm getting those taken care of and um talks a little a little bit about uh
alcoholics being part of the sidewalk cafes and just some more definitions out of our land use regulations again um special use standards are 3.3.1 of our land use regulations um responses to all these were submitted in the staff report and
application material so they are on record um here is some additional bless you um additional criteria um out of the land use regulations under 3.3.2 a lot of words I'm not going to read them all um and then here are the criteria that you need to review as you
are reviewing um every application that comes forward as a special use and these are Under 3.3.2 point5 again responses are found in the submitted staff report so they're on record um and also by the applicant talks a bit here about adequacy of Ingress and egress this is a
build environment so a lot of these are difficult for building or property owners in the downtown to come into compliance with but they're more for new build um Construction just talks about you know the impact on adjacent properties
compatibility um how it's working with the environment in the downtown district and consistency with the comprehensive plan um staff comments again city council is encouraged to evaluate the request based on the provided criteria as well as well as input from staff the
applicant and the public um it is in staff's opinion that this request is uh found to be consistent with Section 3.3 . 2.5 of the land use regulations and also the design element of the comprehensive plan um again Planning Commission me
back on January 15th of this year um they did vote 4 Z to recommend to city council approval of this and they did uh put some conditions on the approval these are very similar conditions you see at every one of these that come through we would basically talk about um
keeping the you know keeping the sidewalk clear of the five foot they have to have the indemnity agreement with the city in this instance he is requesting under letter c that the two benches remain on the sidewalk when the business is closed so that is an additional stipulation um again that they have all
proper licensing from the state for the sale of the alcohols on these in on part of the uh sidewalk cafes downtown teams do great jobs keeping our sidewalks clean but if they do go out and start doing their own cleaning of the sidewalk that any solution that they're using be approved
by our public works department we don't want to have things going into our storm drains that we shouldn't have going into them and also if there's any increase in the seating that the um Sidewalk Cafe um applicant would come back through and get reapprovals and those are my question if you have any questions let
me know any questions of Greg all right or Mr dong all right I'm just gonna make one of the statements that and again why we thought this was prudent to do at this time um or a year ago when we started um is just to get consistency downtown also to make sure
that we do have our downtown action teams able to keep things clean and I think that's going through obviously um Mr Carter and his group were the first ones to come in get it done we realized at that point by technically everything was supposed to be taken in every night
but this Council realized hey there is some things that just almost are physically impossible that are the character of the downtown and do help those businesses so it was important to go through the process know what they can do and then move forward from there
with the special use so I appreciate the staff really working hard on this and and um our officer slia who's the CRA guy downtown is working with them to try to get everybody to get things in but I just want if they're out there listening
get them in soon because we're going to cut off what we're doing now and then they would have to pay so all right compliment yep thank you any other questions before we go to public hearing hearing none we'll open the public hearing anyone wishing to speak anyone
wishing to speak anyone wishing to speak we'll close the public hearing chair will entertain a motion Mr Mayor motion I'm sorry yes sir go ahead like to make a motion to approve resolution 2503 with the stipulations recommended
by staff second all right we have a motion by Mr Kramer to approve and a second by Miss Barnaby any other discussion hearing none we'll start the vote in W five yes one yes two yes three yes four yes carries five to zero thank
you um at this time we're going to take a brief recess of about it's it says on my 959 so let's be back at 10:05 so we'll take a brief recess thank you all right we oh
boy all right we'll come out of recess and back to order um I just first I'll say again it's quasi judicial and Mr rudisel would this be the time to mention that um and madam clerk will
read all three into the record that we will address all three on the same public comment as well as if there's any um exp parted communication from any council members or myself to say it now yes if I can just briefly let me we've
got three applications they're related um the first application is an amendment to the text of the city's comprehensive plan so that is not site specific um that would apply to any areas where
where it's applicable um the second request is a future land use map Amendment for the subject site that is site specific and the final request is a rezoning of the
subject site and so the only action item for today is for the council to determine on the text change to the comprehensive plan whether or not that will be
transmitted to the state and so that is the only item that that will be voted on today we've advertised all three items because they're related and because we thought the council may want to have some um
have a presentation about the the other components of the project and and hear it all together so that's why they've been advertised together um and will open the public hearing together but the only action item will be on the text
change to the comprehensive plan thank you all right Madame clerk if you could okay well first off any quazite additional statements anyone wants to make Mr ker thank you sir um as a resident of Point Pleasant um I've
spoken with many um neighbors friends in that neighborhood um and much like today's one of the three three topics we're about to discuss is quasi judicial well the conversation that I may or may not have can't say oh well it's quasi
judicial oh you know I can't shuck and Jive very much however the conversations have been General they have not been anything specific or substantive and I just want to put on the record that I have spoken about this as people have approached me wanting to know what I
think and I say well please come to the meetings that's basically been my resolution of it okay anyone else all right thank you madam clerk this is the first reading and
public hearing for ordinance 4035 an ordinance of the city of Bradenton Florida providing for text amendments to the comprehensive plan related to Coastal development amending the future land use element objective
1.5.2 hurricane evacuation Zone amending the coastal management and conservation element objective 5.3 Coastal area development policy 5.3.1 Coastal High Hazard area and policy
5.3.2 conservation Zone adding a new policy 5.3.1 point1 and policy 5.3.1 point2 to the coastal management and conservation element related to comprehensive plan plan amendments
within the coastal High Hazard area amending the coastal management and conservation element policy 6.2.1 Coastal density and intensity and policy 6.2.5 priority hurricane evacuation
zones providing for applicability providing for severability and providing for an effective date the next one is ordinance 4036 and this is the first reading of public hearing and ordance of the city of Bradenton Florida providing for
Amendment to the city of Bradenton comprehensive plan future land use map changing the future land use designation from high density residential to Urban Central business district for properties totaling
approximately 15.9 Acres generally located west of 15th Street West North of manate Avenue West and bounded by we's creek creek and the Manatee River the parcel ID numbers are 3346
8000000 33466 00004 33737 00008 33735 00002
3373 37 33525 0019 1 0 9 33379 0059 3346 00158
33351 0059 33491 052 33395 00109 3339
00006 3338 000000 and more part particularly described in the attached exhibit a subject subject to a binding development SL mitigation plan providing for applicability providing for separability and providing for an effective
date and the final ordinance 4037 first reading and public hearing an ordinance of the city of Bradon Florida providing for an amendment to the city of Bradenton land use Atlas changing zoning from t40 General Urban open and t4r
general Urban restricted to T5 urban center for property totaling approximately 15.9 Acres generally located west of 15th Street West North of Manatee Avenue West and bounded by a War's Creek in the Manatee River the
partiel IDS are 33468 00000000 334 660000 4 33737 008
33735 002 337 3300 007 3352 5109 33379
0059 3346 00158 3338 00000000 33491 052 33351
0059 and is more particularly described in exhibit a attached here to providing for applicability providing for severability and providing for an effective date okay thank you uh vice mayor Kramer has a comment um thank you very much Madam clerk normally when I
sat over there I'd offer you a water however I don't have that I do have a Coke 000000 if you would like it was yours if you would like okay um can I just clarify something that said yes go ahead did I
did I I I don't know that I heard you so we're hearing because of the nature of the project uh or the issues all three presentations but we're only voting on one correct and which one was that one again correct hone right so the vote will be on whether or not to trans MIT
to the state the text changes to the comprehensive plan and that one would be 4035 correct okay thank you sorry about that Y and then I would like to ask Madame clerk I know some people have came in late if we can um reread the
oath to anyone that was not here at the beginning so we don't have to go individually as they come forward I apologize anyone wishing to address city council during the following public hearings will please stand and raise your right hand if you are not sworn in before do you swear or affirm that the
factual statements and representations which you're about to present to this board will be truthful and accurate thank you thank you and then I'll also make the same statement obviously this is a business meeting and you know there's a lot of emotion on both sides so we do ask there will be no clapping
booing anything that would do any comments from the audience um this is your warning if that comes out where there is a negative comment coming from the audience you will be asked to leave so we just want to keep a decorum here and get this through also when we go
through the public comments you know you don't have to have a card to speak in the public hearing but I'll read through the cards and then we'll open it up at the end but if you agree with the person that talked before you you don't have to take your three minutes you can say I totally agree or I disagree and here's
my name and I'm on the record so that will help if you know to hear the same thing over and over again the council will get it but we will have that opportunity just say agree with the person before me or disagree here's why and it doesn't have to go the whole three minutes so thank you Mrs singer
good morning uh mayor and Council Robin singer planning community development director um just by way of introduction what you have before you are three petitions today all uh brought to you uh as uh with me Westminster communities as the applicant so they will be making a
presentation on all three um the first one is a text Amendment to our comprehensive plan essentially to allow the increase in density in our Coastal High Hazard areas this is throughout the city um this is would um by reference to
State Statute the state statutes allow for this uh to happen in coastal High Hazard areas uh given certain criteria are met for evacuation we'll get more into that as a give the staff report um the second petition um which is predicated on the first petition um
going all the way through the process uh which is to allow for a change in the future land use designation for the Westminster community's properties along where's Creek um in order to do this they do have to have that text amendment in place uh that increase in that
results in an increase in density um density is uh uh restricted by our comprehensive plant so the future land use designation is what determines the amount of density um per acre that individual properties can take advantage
of the third petition is a resoning petition and that is to uh change the property from t40 and t and a small portion of t4r into the T5 designation um and primarily what this does because density is already addressed with the
comprehensive plan is would allow for development uh proposals consistent with the T5 zoning which does allow for a greater height uh than would be allowed in the t40 or T4 um R that's the primary difference really between the T4 uh o
and the T5 District um so with that I am going to turn it over to the applicants um I believe we have Katy labar and Patty Petri that are presenting on these petitions hey before you leave Miss singer is there any questions from Miss singer hearing none thank
you okay good morning good morning my name is Patricia Petri I have been sworn I'm a lawyer with the firm of D Harrison nolles I certified in city county and local government law and
I have been in this beautiful city and practice law here for 47 years um Westminster has been part of your community since 1965 if not prior to that so the
institution has been part part of your downtown community for a very very long time um we have been working to get to this council meeting since August 31st
2021 we discussed all sorts of ideas with your staff about how to move forward let me explain briefly what the problem is the problem is at some point in time whoever was drafting your comprehensive
plan thought it was a great idea to put res 16 res High which I think is 15 units per acre residential high on the portion of this area of the city that is owned by
Westminster that does not allow all of our residents to return if there is a problem with some of the buildings um our current density is much higher than that approved legal
density so I'm not the one who wants to be here to have a lottery about who gets to come back to their beautiful place on the river um with me today I have a group of people who will speak I have
Hank Keith who is the CEO of Westminster communities I have Chris Wick bird who is the vice president of design and instruction I have Jim pansky who is the senior President of Operations I have Mr
Dy who is also a member of the law firm and Katie labore the project planner for stantech um I'm going to put Miss labar's and Mr wiberg's resumés into the record at this point and if I'm going to
ask Mr uh Hank Keith to come up and give you a sense of who Westminster communities is do you the slides for uh good morning uh my name is Hank Keith I'm with Westminster I have been
with the organization 30 I'm in my 33rd year with the organization so uh we consider Braden very important to us obviously since we were founded here in 1951 and actually started business here our first building was completed actually in 1961 not 1965 so uh how did
you move the screen forward it excuse me I can do it for you okay okay just move one forward it's okay uh we are non for-profit organization faith-based since we were started by the First Presbyterian Church
of Brandon uh we're also a senior living committee Community which was now called a Life Plan community so Bradon has always been a very important Place uh for our organization uh going forward next slide okay thank you uh we were established in
1954 by the First Presbyterian Church uh we have 22 communities located throughout the State of Florida um we serve more than 7,000 residents you can see here on the map we go all the way from Sarasota all the way over to Pensacola so we've established ourselves uh throughout the state we do not have
any communities outside of the State of Florida the present time next one so the future of Senior Living um Market has definitely change Baby Boomers or whatever Generations you want to call it are looking for larger apartments with high-end features um to
go with their Lifestyles um to meet those needs we have to have communities um that have new state-of-the-art buildings and lifestyle amenities as I told you uh our brander Community which is not on not on record today was built open in 61 and I believe the Point
Pleasant properties were opened right around the 70s so they're very older buildings uh well kept but they need some replacement going forward and some new buildings go next one so the population of the older adults is rising to say the least I'm
sure you've all heard that uh in 2025 the US population is expected to reach about 350 million people that's all adults uh 2025 18.6% or 65 million of the US population expect to be over age
65 and it's expected to increase to 20.7 by 2030 30 so just 5 years from now and in Florida as you well know we have a very large uh population over 65 and that is projected to go from 20.9 to
25.5 by 2030 that's a big jump in in just five years next slide so Services we provide at westmin Braden uh we are a Life Plan Community uh offer range of Supportive Services and health care services independent
living assisted living Memory Care uh short-term rehab and skilled nursing we have Outpatient Therapy on site 7 days a week we have wellness and Home Care Pharmacy services and our residents uh love to volunteer in the community so the economic impact and
braiding our current economic footprint we have here uh we have $35 million in annual revenue uh we have $14.7 million in annual wages uh this next year we'll spend 1212 million in capital expenditures just on the existing
buildings alone uh we pay more than about $500,000 in current annual property taxes when you take all of our communities together um infrastructure upgrades uh will serve that future buildings will benefit adjacent properties we believe and then our
residents support the downtown area along with our staff um local businesses and organizations so future economic impact uh our first uh planned um pH pH would be 30 units and 30 30,000 ft of amenity
space uh that's going to cost about $36 million of of building to build after that we'd like to build 100 to 180 units uh that'll be about 80 to $180 million in investment depending on how many are built so we've estimating the total estimate of the economic impact to be
about $250 million and if I did the right math right and I hope the tax assessor is not in the building right now we estimate that tax to be about $4 million a year somewhere in that range approximately so it all depends on the tax rate and the tax value that the assessor puts on those new buildings so
a significant impact where we' we've done this before just over the big bridge into St Pete uh we started a a phasing of about 16 years ago uh we're in and into an eighth phase of that master plan in in St Petersburg you can see the similarity to The Point Pleasant
with all that water right there on the bay uh Waterfront location aging campus and located in a residential area neighbors are right there as you can see kind of down to the left hand side left bottom side those are all residential homes uh so we worked with all those
residents there to make sure the property does not interfere with them uh designed for replacing our aging buildings uh this campus was even older than uh it was actually 1954 it was a yacht club at one point so most of all those buildings have come down now we've
updated all the infrastructure rebuilt all the seaw walls and it hardened all the surfaces and updated local and State state code we basically just raised the buildings up so almost all the all the new buildings are at least 10 12T off the ground so um somewhat resistant to
Future damage so I'm going to turn it over to Katie take us from good morning good morning thank you Hank uh mayor Commissioners City Council Members my name is Katie are I am an
aicp certified planner uh with Stant I'm here representing Westminster communities of Florida and I've been sworn uh the first application that you have before you today is ordinance 40335 it is the comprehensive plan text
Amendment regarding the coastal High Hazard area policy language and before we dive into the specific details of each application I'd like to share the primary purpose and goal for these three applications the first is to preserve um an institution
that's been a prominent fixture here in in Bradenton for over 70 years the population continues to age and we want to make sure that the residents have a place where they can uh stay active and serve our community well we also want to protect the historically built density
of the campus uh and reinvest through Redevelopment and then finally through Redevelopment the construction of new buildings will meet modern State building codes and the Florida green construction standards so it will be resistant and resilient to Natural
hazards we propose amending the policy language and the comprehensive plan in order to ensure consistency with chapter 163 of Florida Statutes regarding development in the coastal High Hazard area uh State statutes were amended several years ago uh by the legislature
because they recognized the importance of the coastal zone uh particularly for historically developed Coastal communities and the challenges that they faced when uh when seeking to Redevelopment at or near the coastal
High Hazard area line uh the policy language States uh that Public Utilities like roads sewer water um systems and other public facilities can be restored following a disaster with Public Funding
as long as those activities don't damage or destroy Coastal resources the improvements will are also intended to uh protect human life limit public expenditure in those areas that would be subject to the destruction from
a natural disaster the statutory language also compels local governments to amend the definition of coastal High Hazard area and revise the future land use map to show the extent of the newly defined Coastal High Hazard area I'll come back to this in just a
moment but I want to note that Westminster complies with the statutory language because the adopted level of service for an out of County evacuation is maintained for a category 5 storm what you have on the screen is the
proposed amended language for the city's comprehensive plan to promote consistency uh we reference the statutory provision rather than the language word for word because as we know rules laws they
change over time and we want to make sure that as State Statute might change the city's comprehensive plan policy remains consistent with those State policies as Westminster um at
Westminster the existing residential buildings on the campuses as you've heard are nearing the end of their useful life and this policy change will support a long range Redevelopment strategy for the entire campus proposed policy 5.3.1 point2
establishes procedures for a future land use map Amendment if the prop if it proposes to increase density within the Coast High Hazard area this procedure includes preparing a conceptual site plan that will illustrate the overall plan of development the concept plan is
to be part of a development agreement that may also include mitigation that would be required consistent with the requirements in SE uh State Statute Section 163 3178 the agreement is to be approved by the city council before or at the same
time as adoption of a map Amendment Westminster mitigates the impacts of development in the Coast or Hazard area by evacuating their most vulnerable population early um and they also in doing so maintain the outof
county evacuation time for a category 5 storm as I noted just a moment ago as a Continuing Care Community Westminster is required to have an evacuation plan that's reviewed annually by the Florida Agency for healthc care administration and Mane County
government this plan is part of the comprehensive emergency management plan and long before an evacuation order is issued for even a category one storm Westminster staff are making plans to
relocate their vulnerable residents away from Point Pleasant to other communities that are outside of the anticipated impact area First Responders recognize the westminster's evacuation plan is a model for similar facilities uh as the
plan has not only only been proven to be effective but it was tested as recently as this past fall and in that implementation uh worked seamlessly uh as Westminster staff can attest we ask that you transmit this
application to the Florida Department of Commerce for their Agency for different for state agency review uh the amendment will then come back to you for adoption in just a few months most likely sometime in April the second application that we
have before you today is ordinance 4036 this is a site specific future lay use map Amendment for Westminster property this is the first reading of the application and so no no formal action is requested uh and again we will
bring this back to you later in the spring the property is uh located north of Manatee Avenue uh West and West of 15 Street West in Bradenton and it's just shy of 16 Acres uh in size
total this amendment uh this comp plan Amendment will support westminster's longrange Redevelopment goals and it will also ensure the redevelop the Redevelopment of the property at or near the existing built
density we proposed to amend the future land use map from high density residential to Urban Central Business bus District high density residential was never the appropriate land use category for this property and never aligned with
a historically built environment in this area of the city as has been stated multiple times this morning the proposed uh the purpose of the UCB is to establish Define promote and facilitate the Redevelopment and enhancement of the
city's primary and historically urban center the UCB future LS category exists in large part of the city south of manate Avenue and it also will serve as a nice transition and separation from
the existing Urban core to the east this comparison chart really helps illustrate the fundamental differences between the existing and proposed land use categories the UCB description is better um and and more accurate Ely reflects
current day Westminster again this chart really helps to illustrate the disconnect between the existing built environment and current and current um land use category implementation of today's
future land use category reflects nearly a 42% reduction of density as compared to what exists today the table comparison this table is a comparison between the approved development and what is proposed you'll note that the
new campus is nearly 5 Acres larger um as properties have been acquired over the years the original campus was built with approximately 401 equivalent units on 11 acres which equates to a 30 to a density of 36
dwelling units per acre the long-term development strategy contemplates up to 537 equivalent dwelling units on for 15 .8 Acres which is approximately 34 dwelling units per acre Which is less
than the original density and certainly below the maximum potential of 40 units per acre which is allowed in the UCB land use category the conceptual plan that will be required as part of the development agreement that will be presented at the
second reading of this map Amendment will cap the density at 537 equivalent dwelling units or 34 4 units per acre again less than the maximum potential of 40 units per acre this amendment will effectively
correct the future land use map to more accurately reflect the actual density of Westminster while supporting necessary Redevelopment um which includes replacement of old buildings that are nearing the end of their useful life cycle and allowing for limited expansion
of the property owned by Westminster to support the growing demand for senior housing in the city again this is the first reading so no action is requested today and we will bring this application back before you later in the spring for a final
consideration and a vote the third application before you today is a request to rezone it's a site specific application to rezone the property uh Westminster property it is ordinance 4037 um
and with this application we re we proposed to rezone the 15.8 Acres from open Urban open or T4 and general Urban restricted t4r to urban center there are a few reasons through the rezone request
uh when planning on a larger scale a unified zoning category is more appropriate and helps make future development more predictable a patchwork of zoning categories under a form-based code also fights
against the intent of the form-based code which is to provide a cohesive and functional built environment the urban center transact includes higher density mixed use buildings that accommodate retail office
row houses and apartments as a permitted use pursuant to table 4.7 of the city's form based code the T5 zoning category will certainly better align with the historic development of the property and will also be consistent with the
comprehensive plan resoning to T5 is a logical extension of the nearby T5 and T6 district and again appropriately reflects the built environment particularly as it relates to massing and density Miss singer pointed uh pointed
this out but one of the key differences between the T4 and the T5 zoning is Building height we have existing buildings that are 11 stories tall and as you can see this exceeds the maximum allowable height in the existing
District this amendment will facilitate again the replacement of existing buildings with modern buildings um while also enabling Westminster to build back to building Heights that are consistent with what
was previously constructed this concept plan really helps to lay out the overall Redevelopment strategy for the site the plan will establish phases maximum density building Heights and setbacks consistent with the T5 zoning
category upon approval of these amendments development will follow the requirements of the form base code and will be reviewed by your staff administratively the concept plan will be included with the development agreement that memorializes mitigation
for development in the coastal High Hazard area and will be presented to the city council at the adoption hearing for the comp plan text Amendment again later this spring most likely in April this is a rendering of westminster's Redevelopment vision for
Point Pleasant which includes quality architecture and building finishes phenomenal views of Manatee River and we's Creek along with access to the Waterfront Miss petruff will uh return to offer some closing comments and
arguments thank you thank you Katie uh for the record Patricia Petri again on behalf of my client Westminster communities we respectfully ask you to restore the existing density so the exist
existing density is on 11 acres it's it is 36 units per acre under the res high that is currently on the property only 165 residents would be allowed back that's a
problem um if we use the 15.8 Acres as a load Stone because those you know that acreage is currently vacant 257 residents would be allowed back we have 401 approved it's a problem um with the
and and the problem is compounded by the fact that there is a coastal high-hazard area and back when many of these comprehensive plans were being put together in the early 90s and they've been amended continuously since then and
I don't know if Tampa Bay Regional planning council did the city's comp plan but I know that Tampa Bay City Tampa Bay Regional planning council did home speech and a lot of the other ones in Manatee County and what was put in
many many comprehensive plans is an absolute prohibition against any increase in density in the coastal High Hazard area that language is now slowly coming out of most comprehensive plans of coastal
communities because it strangles opportunities so for instance if there is a disconnect like the one here with um what the zoning density is Visa V the
built uh environment it's it's a problem Longboat Key is going to have that problem you know every Coastal Community is going to have that Pro that problem unless they they adopt the opportunity provided by
the state statute to mitigate so we're asking you to do that to mitigate I know there is some concern with respect to whether or not you know 28% of properties in the city of Bron are in the coastal High Hazard area I get that
you know that's seems like a lot of properties most of them are already in a built environment so that has to be considered also many of them are single family subdivisions built environment and we
did speak with staff along the way about whether or not we should make this a site specific text Amendment so that this can be the um an opportunity to see how this statute Works um and that it was decided that we
should just do it for the entire Community because it is a high bar to reach it's a high bar to reach to meet that statute you have to mitigate things um we're looking for a path forward so
that these older buildings can be brought up to today's standards you know as you might imagine back when they were built we all didn't have cell phones we didn't have iPads we didn't have computers you know even from a
standpoint of uh what's the facil facilities available for people people want nicer better more higher ceilings uh that type of thing and it's appropriate to allow people to do that you know everybody wants to
upgrade their properties from time to time and this it's time for this upgrade to start here in the city of Bradington my clients willing to make a very large commitment of funds many of the unit there's there's
very there's a lot of Independent Living units there now there will be more some more independent living units you need to know that those units are all taxable so there will be tax money added to the
city's tax base um we do have a hurricane evacuation plan in place we have a system in place where every every Independent Living resident is required to give us their hurricane
evacuation plan if they're in case of an emergency and if those Independent Living people have no support locally to implement something like go to a friend's house or take themselves to terara to the hotels at
terara or what have you then Westminster communities will provide support for those people as well um we are asking you to transmit that map
Amendment and we will come back in if you do that we will come back with second public hearings for for all three applications we will come back with a development agreement which locks in
density and height and um the hurricane evacuation component because that's the most important I think it will be a a good move for the city because you will get Florida green buildings you will get FEMA compliant buildings you
will get buildings that are in compliant with the Florida building code at whatever time they're built this will be a phased project because buildings new buildings have to be built in order for
my client to transfer residents so that nobody loses a place to sleep so it's a slow long process to have a new building in place before residents get transferred and the old
building gets just demolished which is why we're starting with a 30 unit building and then a 180 unit building so we respectfully request that you approve the text Amendment request today send it on to Tallahassee for further review um
we have a lot of people here and my my uh people with me were we're happy to answer any questions that you may have so that you have a better understanding of what our goals are thank you thank you any questions before we go to public
hearing Mr vice mayor Kramer um can you please thank you for presentations from all of you um can you please explain how these units will be taxable as opposed to what currently exists there are currently uh I I mean
the difference one from ,000 to 4 million annually so what'll happen is is currently all of our residential living units are taxed by the state of Florida it's required uh the only thing is not taxed is assisted living and skilled nursing that was passed many years ago so the only units that we're building up
on this project coming forward will be residential units so they will be taxed they'll be assessed and valued by the county and taxed going forward when you raise the other building and then build a new will those also
be taxable the anything anything built on that camp campus that's residential is taxed okay so everything will be taxed if the building comes down someday which will be many many years from now uh that would not be taxed anymore because the building's gone but any buildings in this replacement would be
residential living building we have plenty of assisted living and we have plenty of skilled nursing so we don't need to build any more of that which is exempt from tax we really just need the existing resident poal Living Well the state puts limits on the number
of nursing home beds right you'd have to move from some you'd have to either buy them from some other company you'd have to move them from one of your current properties to this property correct we already have 120 beds of skilled nursing on this campus uh less than half of the residents in that are came from our
campus they came from outside they came from the neighborhoods wherever it might be and they're filling up the beds so we always Reserve beds for our existing residents so more than 120 beds is more than sufficient uh for this plan buildout of this campus also with
Assisted Living uh we have assisted living on this campus currently at our Towers building and then remember we still have our Manor property where we also have Assisted Living being provided at the same time so we have a lot of choices that's why on this campus we really just need to build a residential
and I will tell you to build skill nursing in the State of Florida it's just not a good idea anymore it's just not there yeah thank you sir thank M Coachman did you have I'm going with Council first and I'll go um I just wanted to ask the skill
nursing uh structure how old is it I've been there 30 my 33rd year I would say it's about 20 so it's up to code and it's pretty well up to code and everything it took some took a little bit of water damage during the storms
but other than that uh it'll be a um the whatever areas were weakened will be fixed and going forward and but no it's a it's a very nice building so going forward old as the no no it's not nearly as old as the other no no minute okay some point Mrs Moore um I Heard Miss
laar U mentioned that the infrastructure upgrades would benefit the neighboring community and you mentioned that the um ordinance 4035 would involve permitting Public Funding but do we have an idea of whether we're considering you know are
we are as part of the plan to not have Public Funding for the infrastructure component did I mishar that possibly um my understanding of how development works in the city and elsewhere is that
the applicant SL developer is required to upgrade infrastructure to meet the needs of its property you know so we add units you know obviously we have infrastructure in
place we're adding more units the water lines might need to be enlarged the sewer lines might need to be enlarged uh what sometimes happens and we're certainly willing to do this if it is uh at the time of of development if
the city is interested sometimes applicants enter into what's called public private Partnerships so if we need if this I'm just this is just me talking if we need a 6 in waterline and the city would prefer that
to be a 10 or a 12 in order to better increase water pressures in the downtown area the owner my client Westminster could could enter into what's called a public private partnership
to do the upgrade of that line now I know Mr rudicil has written those kind of agreements as have I over the years and sometimes it's done with roads you know you do a public private you know I my client has to put in the turn Lanes
but the county wants a red light and so everybody contributes towards the red light so it it's used for water sewer uh Road systems and it's a applicant has to build up to has to
pay 100% of the cost for their to meet the needs of their development if something else if the city wants something more to be done and that's where we would have the discussion and the agreement and I think what Mr Perry's probably going to say is going
to address that very in detail what the city's already working on I had one more but let let maybe get that answer yeah let answer and that may help answer some of the others mayor counselor uh M Petro I want to address the the capacity
because we have engaged with Capacity Analysis engineering to look at the sizing of utility um I don't think it's any secret to the residents in that area that the utility has been uh aging and that it's been compromised in certain
ways there's a lot of water brakes for water distribution system itself the sanitary Source system system uh it was built particularly lift station 8 that Services the area is built right down the street on bakara on the water and
that has had continuous issues as well overall for our collection system um when we talk about this project you know you have 11 acres developed that that you have I believe 401 residents on and
you were proposing to go to 16 Acres roughly it's actually 15.8 for 4 uh 537 there's two benefits to doing that the first is for the new residents there's impact fees on those that you're all familiar with that would pay for
some of the the uh infrastructure that's related to it you did a good job of explaining things but in our Capacity Analysis we took it a little bit deeper in exploring the service area because we know that westminster's looking at this there's some other projects and overall
um this section of downtown um has has been aged and so we looked at nominal sizing and what would be required for development in the area and you're right it does go from nominal pipe sizes of certain distribution lines from 6 or 8 Ines to
10 to 12 as well as the sanitary sore system now as it gets to the development agreement we could basically engage with you to share in the cost of that you talked about a public private partnership and that would have major
beneficial uh uh uh benefits basically to the surrounding area as well as the city overall um because we wouldn't have to refer it back to a rate spread out amongst all the taxpayers but more related specifically to the additional development sometimes what happens in
those Master development agreements and you pointed out the thing with the road the county might want and things like that is there's secondary uh uh uh development that could come after you as the as the first people in so to speak to do the utility upgrades um there can
be cost recovery for that additional capacity that can come back and it it's really all contained within the details of the development agreement and I have had some conversations with your folks about that there's been no commitment but I think there's definitely great
opportunity to uh improve the utility um infrastructure that's in place at uh at at very reasonable sharing of cost amongst the new developer being yourself additional developers that would come on
and minimally test the city and outside taxpayers so I just wanted to address that Miss Moore you had a followup um I have a followup to that but I also just had a separate question that I'll just sneak in really quickly um did I understand correctly that there are the
existing building that you begin that you are proposing to begin with is currently 11 stories but if you tear it down to rebuild it it will be maxed out at 6 no the on our slide we showed it uh
our initial concept at this moment is to do a smaller 30 unit building um which I think the slide said costs 36 million or investment of 36 million we're a long
way from um taking down that 11 story building okay I mean a lot has to happen in order for that to to happen the the 30 the 30 the 30 unit building uh an additional common area is to replace common area that we have now in that Shores Building the white building that
you saw on there the problem with that building is is that the ground floor is actually below grade so every time it rains every time there's a big storm guess what happens it floods so we just can't do that anymore so we want to create this building in the middle for both of the big buildings to be able to
gather together in that there and add 32 units on top of it I don't remember the height Chris um I would say it's probably stories three stories something like that and then the next one would be out toward the point would be to add
units out there because we can't do anything with the T the Shores Building the big white building because we have a lot of residents who live there we just can't take it down and move people over there so it's a long phase plan to get everything done for the community okay
thank you um and then just a follow up on the infrastructure upgrades um I guess my concern and it's not really a question honestly it's just more of a point of conversation for Council um my concerns relate to the pace of
development so I appreciate that this council is trying to be very aggressive as we face it and fix it and and improve a lot of our in particular storm water and wastewater collection and treatment um but I don't know that we're
at a pace that would really support for a m you know some kind of like really intense new development and so I guess I'm just looking for some reassurance that we're not biting off more than we get Che at this time that maybe we need time to do what we need to do to to
correct our situation before we start adding to that this is a this is what we're trying to achieve here is basically what's called a master development plan or conceptual development plan and the development on
this 15 .8 Acres will take 10 to 15 years so so we all have lots of time to work out some some details we're we just need authorization to get started be because of the density issue I mean we
need to fix that density issue and then we will be coming back to staff with each individual building and and it is a long-term project for Westminster I mean this doesn't happen in a vacuum you know
it's a long-term project um yeah I just again go to what Mr Perry was talking about earlier and that's some things that we'll we'll be going over very soon in meetings about upsizing because obviously we have a master development agreement on the
property we sit now and you know working to through the storm water the waste water the face it and fix it part of it um public private Partnerships that we would probably never be able to do public-wise on our own and the
developments are going to help pay for that and do it a lot quicker because they're going to phase in their buildings but we're not going to phase in the infrastructure it's going to happen pretty quick and that's what's going to have to happen with this with that and going through it Mr Perry am I
misstating that of what we talked about at any that we yeah no sir I think it's very accurate and and of course you know not to put the C before the horse but uh that Master development agreement can have Provisions as it relates to timelines because typically before you
do development you do underground and horizontal and and that's the stuff that we want to do to make sure it will support this particular project and not impact other um Citywide capacities that was a great point I'm glad you brought that up Miss Barnaby and then miss Coker
thank you Mr Mayor um this might be for or it actually is for Mr rudil but m Petru um I'm well aware of your legal Acumen in this community and the fact that you've represented many of the Barrier Island cities during your
practice so my what we are being told is that if the shores or if Westminster had the unthinkable happen and had been damaged in one of the three storm events that we had this fall they currently
would not be able to rebuild what they have that is my current understanding of what the staff has told my client and I in numerous meetings and either Mr rudil or Miss
Petr um are you finding because you have this issue going on throughout the Tampa Bay area in Barrier Islands as well as Waterfront communities if the city or cities whichever wherever it is does not allow
people to rebuild what we we what they have um are we opening ourselves up for litigation Mr R up yeah I mean different cities treat that issue differently uh so let's start
with that in terms of non-conformities and how they're addressed uh in the event of a storm um cities do treat that issue differently in terms of potential liability I mean there may be you know you may be able to come up with a claim
I don't know how long those Provisions have been in the city's code that might limit some potential claims um so but yeah I have not reviewed that in any detail okay thank
you Miss Coker yeah um I don't know um if this is too soon to start discussing it but I mean I've gotten letters from both sides and um appreciate everybody's input and it seems like there's been a lot of concern about the ingra and
egress on First Avenue is it possible to restrict the Ingress egress maybe to Third Avenue and just have like emergency openings um to address some of those concerns or is
that not even possible that I can't answer that question right now I do think it probably is a bit premature I think there are some things that can be done um but we both the city and and my
client we would need to look at that uh to see how difficult it would make uh you know of a a long-term construction plan work but you know we're certainly open to talk to the city about the
opportunities to do that yeah okay all right thank can I ask one more question yes ma'am and this is uh probably also a little on the side but um the seaw wall is it going to stay the same I mean is anything being done with
the seaw wall there on the point or will that remain as it is do you know Chris why don't you come up here I think that was recently replaced yeah but what is the material that it that
it's made of is it steel hi uh Chris wickberg vice president of design and construction I've already been um we um purchased the point property um with a a new seaw wall already in place
um since then we have started replacing older portions of the seaw wall we just finished completing uh another 10 and something feet and our plan is to eventually rebuild the entire seaw wall
and then also create a little um sort of a Riverwalk area right along that seaw wall I think and it' be done out of out of PVC sheeting and and concrete uh currently it's aluminum right now and we're getting away from the aluminum
okay yeah I was PVC uh um I mean concrete's better I'm on the Estuary board and there's a l i mean there might grants available and stuff but we're really trying to restore the oysters back into the river and I know
that yeah they like to attach themselves exactly so that was just a question I had okay Miss Moore um I just wanted to um again more not necessarily a question but more for the rest of council um to
be clear we're voting on ordinance 435 today that is a city-wide uh um text Amendment not property specific and after I have had an opportunity to look at some of the coastal High Hazard areas in the city
limits I don't have an objection to having our policy follow the language of the stat statute um and I think it actually gives us some some uh discretion to talk about
mitigation and that sort of thing in those Coastal High Hazard areas so just to the specific point of what we're voting on today um and I know we haven't had public comment yet but I just wanted to clarify that um the thing that we're doing today is Citywide wide and in my
opinion if I'm you know unless anyone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it gives us some some ability to be a little bit more flexible when we're talking about Coastal High Hazard areas generally speaking in the city okay thank you all right so anything else Miss Petro I just want to put um there
was a petition circulated at Westminster I think it was emailed to everybody I just want to put it into the record thank you for your time thank you Miss singer yes ma'am um just to finish up with the staff
report okay again uh Robin singer planning community development director uh here to present on these three ordinances um the first ordinance is the text Amendment uh which will allow us to increased density in coell high Hazard areas upon a showing of uh an evacuation
plan uh consistent with State statutes um to this depicts where the coastal High Hazard areas are generally uh within the city you can see along most bodies of water uh and and of course all of Paro Island uh are within a coastal High Hazard
area um this uh gives you an idea of the future land use that is underneath those coasta High hazard areas uh so yellow generally depicts a lower density development um the blue tones are generally in our downtown area with a
higher density and mixed use uh type of development so um you can see faintly here um where we have the coastal High Hazard area and how that generally overlaps with those feature land designations and again Paro
Island so Florida Statutes provides for um the the first of all the establishment of a coastal High Hazard area based on slash models um and then provides further that you if you're going to increase density within those Coastal High Hazard areas you should be
providing for an evacuation plan and this is basically goes back to um the or origins of growth management where they were really concerned about transportation and on the barrier islands and how you were going to evacuate people from the Barrier Islands
um and so they have most of the comprehensive PL you'll see around the state contain Provisions to prohibit the increase in density in coastal High Hazard areas similar to what our comp plan currently does but then the state has since provided uh this alternative
to allow you to provide for an increase in density provided that you're meeting those evacuation so Coastal High Hazard it's different than other it's not the same as FEMA it's not the same as Coastal Construction Control lines it is really about evacuation and that's why it was established and I think that you
can see um sort of support for that uh when you look at evacuation Zone a uh which is the darker um kind of is uh coterminous with the um Coastal High Hazard area so it's a very similar requirement so the
people that are in the coastal Hazard are probably also in evacuation Zone a so we're looking at they're probably going to need to be evacuated in any case we're going to be asking for that so the changes that are occurring um where there were prohibit uh prohibitions that against increasing the
density um now we're providing for alternatives to that and so that really is in our Coastal management and conservation element of the comprehensive plan uh where we talk about uh in a little more detail about the coastal High Hazard area and what you would need to do in order to
increase the density one of the things that staff and the City attorney I think pH and I don't want to speak for you but uh felt was important uh was the um provision of a development agreement a binding devel vment agreement um and conceptual site plan uh and the reason
for that is is that where we increase density is when you change the comprehensive plan designation we're not talking about tearing down a duplex and building a fourplex we're talking about when you change your comprehensive and the allowable density under the comprehensive plan and so when you let
go of that when you've made that change it's difficult to go back then and recheck on an evacuation plan if their plans change or if the ownership changes so we felt that a binding site plan and a development agreement were important to make sure that if any changes are
made that we're going back and we're rechecking on that evacuation plan for whatever development is proposed they have included in their application um their evacuation plan if you see in their application materials uh some of that they've also provided a conceptual
uh site plan and we'll talk about that in a moment so basically we've gone through uh the comp plan and taken those provisions and referred it back to um we we're putting this in objective 5.3 um but we're referring to um section
um 163 3178 8A uh Florida Statutes that I previously had on the slide and so with that it's it's a pretty simple um change I think it does you know it it is Citywide it is not
site specific and I don't recommend doing it site specific um I think there are other properties you know as we look at Redevelopment in a downtown area there other properties that might benefit from it so I think it and and there's still checks and balances you still have to meet those requirements
for evacuation and you still have to provide us with a development agreement and a binding site plan so I think it's it's not just letting go of the issue it is providing additional checks and balances that city council will be a part of as it moves forward um this was
taken to the Planning Commission and uh they they voted for 4 z um in support to recommend uh in support of it if you pass this on first reading uh then we will transmit it to the state there's about a 45-day review period and then we
would bring it back on the next available meeting and that would be concurrent with the second readings of both the um comp plan uh land use map change and the rezoning so the next petition is that
map change um if you take a look at the surrounding properties the surrounding they are coterminous or with um uh similar zoning and uh future land use on the souths side uh the urban core is
actually a higher density um but they're choosing the UCB which is a lower density which would get them up to 40 units per acre uh the current residential high uh land use only allows up to 15 units per acre uh 20 if you're
including affordable units so um it it is more in keeping with the development that's currently on site so I think the question of how did they get to a residential high density designation um based on what business that uh the
buildings that they have out there now and most of the land use designations you see throughout the state were established in the mid 80s that's when growth management law change that's when there was a requirement put in to put land use designations on there and to limit density under those land use
designations and I don't know why they maybe didn't look at that in particular or it could be because it is assisted living that they considered it more of a commercial use and not a residential use and weren't necessarily binding it by the um the density Provisions under the
residential highight density so in any case that's where it sits and this was prior to Bert Harris which I think was 1998 uh so there there wasn't really the vested claims uh process in place necessarily for them to object to that
application and they may not have known really uh been fully aware of what the implications were of putting that residential high density uh designation on their property at the time so there are licensed for 480 beds at this uh
Point um and they're asking uh for an equivalency of about um 537 um dwelling units um and that's a combination of assisted units and um as as well as independent living units and
again this is how the coastal High has impacts their particular property uh you can see it would be heavily impacted uh and you can parse this out to say that you know they could build on just the Uplands you know um so what this allows them to do is increase density
throughout the site and therefore there can be the transfer of units in and out of the coastal High Hazard areas they have provided a con conceptual development plans and I apologize it's not particularly readable uh on this slide uh but it is in your package for
um review on a more detailed review it is a phase development that they're proposing um and with some uh retention of some of their existing uh structures um we feel that um you know some uh
replacement of some of those structures particularly in light of the recent storms and Flooding at the lower levels uh that it would be um beneficial to the community and and to this particular development to be able to do that uh these are the development totals and she
previously had some of these this information up on her slides um but uh there and this last part of it shows the uh difference between what they have existing or approvals for under the existing what's proposed and what the
difference is between those two so uh high density residential basically it's just a residential zoning District which allows 15 to 20 uh dwelling units per acre the urban Central business district allows for 40 to 50 depending
on whether they are including uh affordable units uh I don't believe they have any intention of affordable units so they are abiding by the 40 dwelling units per acre in the development plan that they're proposing um and with that um basically we're talking about being
able once you you know if you approve uh the text Amendment to the comprehensive plan they will have the opportunity to request this they'll have to bring forward that chart the plan and everything to support their development the Planning Commission when we heard this item we only had four
members present we need four members for a quorum uh they took a vote um it was a two two vote um for the City attorney that means that you know their motion that they made failed but it it's a non- reccommendation basically uh we're coming forward on unfortunately without a recommendation from the Planning
Commission uh with that two two vote and then finally the zoning Atlas change the primary difference between as I mentioned before uh what they're asking for and and and what they have currently it's going to be building height um
there are uh other changes um and we just have some photographs of the site I'm sure you're familiar but um we wanted to because really with the zoning you're talking about compatibility um as much as anything because it's development
standards that change slightly but then also as I said the building height is uh significantly different uh in some cases it is not necessarily different from what they have they have 11-story buildings there now um so it's not a
change to that but it is a change to you know where you have a vacant piece of property that they will potentially have buildings on that property now and this shows some of the adjacent Parcels in the residential area again I'm sure you're familiar but uh to give you an idea and it's important I think to
include the use chart there are some small par Parcels that are currently have the T4 restricted um zoning on it and that is much more restricted it is much more of a residential zoning and therefore doesn't have all the permitted
uses that the uh t40 and the T4 T45 have that they're requesting there isn't a huge amount of difference though between the t40 and the T4 and the T5 um some significant ones have to do with Hotel facilities uh there are some uses that
are allowed under the t40 that won't be allowed into the T5 but for the most part they're fairly compatible zoning and as I mentioned before there are some contiguous zoning uh in the T5 to this parcel and again uh Building height uh
your maximum with height bonuses and again keeping in mind um one of those you know some of the story may be for uh affordable and if they're not intending to do that then it may they may not be able to take advantage of those but your
maximum with all the incentives is six stories in the t40 3.5 in the t4r parcels and they're asking to go to a T5 which would be uh allowing for a maximum of 12 stories and again uh talking about the
t40 the difference between it it's a mixed use both of them are mixed use T5 and T4 are mixed use um zoning districts so it's it's a little smaller scale when you're talking about T4 and and uh t4r um and again T5 mixed use uh but a
little bit more intense potentially we have not seen anything in the development plan that would indicate that they intend to have shops and restaurants and so forth mixed in with this um and I and I think the neighborhood would probably be concerned
about traffic impacts um should that occur but we haven't heard anything and that could be something that could be stipulated in your development agreement if you choose to do so um and so with uh rezoning we do have a criteria to base that on and the uses allowed and the T5
are generally consistent with the intent of both the high residential uh residential and the central Urban store whichever future land designation they go with the that zoning of T5 would still be consistent um land use compatibility uh T5 zoning to the South
and to the east of the proper property has the T5 designation on it uh however you do have the Point Pleasant neighborhood which is low-scale single family and some multiple family uh built into that so compatibility is probably I would say the biggest issue uh in
considering these three applications um adequate public facilities we've already discussed that I think you know fire and and others and as Mr Perry indicated there are plans for improvements to Utilities in the area to help support and this is not the only
development that would benefit from that as as I think you know there are multiple developments happening in and around the downtown that are going to benefit from that um improvement in our public infrastructure um public interest the rezoning request does not introduce
Hazard hazardous or noxious potential uses to the surrounding properties essentially they want to rebuild what they have but at a a higher higher quality um than what they have currently out there um meets the intent of the land use regulations and they'll have to
abide by the T5 zoning uh requirements uh which requires that there be walkable mixed use urban core downtown uh uses and again um we had a quorum of four and we had to take a vote before we lost our Quorum and that vote was a two two vote
um so uh unfortunately we didn't have a lot of discussion as to why it was a split vote but it because it's a split vote uh the motion failed and so there is not a recommendation coming forward from uh Planning Commission do you have any questions
questions nothing for Miss singer questions nothing at this time all right so first I'd like to thank everybody for their presentations I'd like to thank everybody in the audience for their uh patience in that but we have the hard
break at 11:30 to have a meeting that we all have to go to so we're going to recess now till 1:10 and it'll be 1:10 when we'll be back sir I'm sorry you're out of order we we got a recess at 1:0 till 1:0 and
we will meet from 1:10 till 2 o'clock the CRA has a uh notice time certain meeting at two I'll get up they'll all sit here they'll do their meeting which I've been told won't take very long so you all get to
experience a CRA meeting and we'll come right back into this meeting and that's mostly going to be just the public comment and that's what we'll go through so um we're going to take a recess till 1:10 thank you oh
boy all right we'll come out of recess once again thank you thank to everyone and um I will say a couple things now before we get into public hearing on the three items um I'm G to ask everybody to stand again
to that wasn't here earlier so you can be sworn in so we don't have to go through it if you've already been sworn in you don't have to but if you have not been sworn in if you please stand right now and Madame clerk will give you the the oath would you please raise your
right hand do you swear affirm that the factual statements and representations which you about to give to this board will be truthful and accurate thank you okay and if you weren't here obviously we have decorum in this room and we respect you as much as we hope you
respect us you go through and there's a lot of passion in the room for both ways um we just have kind of what you believe and we hope that you know no clapping no booing no going through when you do have your opportunity you don't have to take the
three minutes you can but if they've said the same thing over and over again we get it and we've got all of your emails as well and all of your mail letters so you can get up and say and I learned this from representative Robinson just I agree or disagree with it and state your name and you're on the
record so that will help people get through as well and we do not have a component on the city council to allow you to talk for somebody else you can mention that person's name but you still only have the three minutes so there is is no other component Planning
Commission has a different opportunity than us but we do not have that in the business meeting so at this time I will call Donna maias and please state your name your city of residence and you will have three minutes put this good afternoon
my name is Donna maias 1600 1st Avenue West 501 Bradon Florida and I have been sworn in good morning and thank you for allowing me to share with you this afternoon regarding the requested changes I'm just going to speak to a couple of points when a high-rise
building is built next to or in close proximity of residential homes there are several risks that are encountered by the neighbors to the Integrity of their homes they include but are not limited to structural Integrity evacu excavation
and construction activities can cause vibrations that may cause foundations of the home to be damaged this can Le lead to cracks in the walls ceiling and Foundation issues when the Caya Resorts Apartments also known as The Majestic palms and currently known as the shores
was built these structural issues happen to some of Point Pleasant's homes I have confirmed with two owners who remers some of the damage the plaster walls in their homes were cracked so they had to dry wall over it and or replace it Mr Bill Miller remembers this damage and
the repairs his parents had to make he and his wife have since revitalized their home and they've brought it to um back to its original form and they did that because they thought it was important to Point Pleasant and to Bradenton and it is their family home
this home was once owned by Robert Bell who was the founder of bells the large exp expanses of impervious coverage from parking garages generate storm water runoff air and water pollution and flooding the Integrity of the Manatee River is intrical to Bradenton and these buildings will be in
close proximity to the river flooding caused by these types of buildings can impact surrounding homes and streets there will be significant dust and noise during construction and it will impact all of the Point Pleasant residents this will have a detrimental impact on their lifestyle for years not just for weeks
large constru conu Vehicles will be traveling on a two-lane residential road that was not designed to handle this type of traffic then after construction there will be dramatically increased daily traffic as entrance and ex exit to the property will be off of First Avenue
the buildings in a residential Community will dramatically change the Aesthetics of the area there are documented cases of old wooden homes damage from nearby construction which you should have received a copy of in an email we can also include the two known homes in
Point Pleasant at 1609 1st Avenue West and 112 16th Street West I do know I do not know of what others experienced but based on this I can presume that it was similar to think that you would ask these folks to go through this again is
inconceivable property taxes in 2024 Point Pleasant owners uh excluding Westminster paid $848,000 while Westminster paid $375,000 westmin Minister received $16.6 million in exemptions while the Point
Pleasant owners received 4.8 than next we have Carl Callahan not fair and we do have all of the information on the record people that have given us stuff thank you mayor and councel I am here exclusively to talk about um
ordinates 4035 and only as it pertains to all the other development not necessarily Westminster as your previous City administrator CRA director and part-time interim planning director I do know for a fact that there some very good developments were
hamstrung by your current um Coastal High Hazard area comprehensive plan Amendment but certainly like to see that change you currently have several potential developments or be very positively impacted if you do this in the future there are very few very large
Parcels left in the city we are an infill development we also are one that we mostly have to have assembled Parcels to be able to make things happen and to be able to develop on that entire parcel the way you're planned Amendment would allow that to happen would be very positive
for future development I think your staff has done a great job of putting this together the key to it all is the development agreement all in favor of that that with that development agreement I think you ensure the State of Florida evacuation plans are followed which is key that's
what Coastal High hazards are all about and have had numerous conversations with Miss singer about that uh you help to ensure the health safety and Welfare of the residents is protected and that as we have seen the most vulnerable areas in our town if we use current new construction practices
weather the storms quite well that is the key to be able to develop with those new standards and I think we'll be just fine whether it's in the coastal High Hazard area or not those are still very critical so properly constructed World design projects best practices to be
followed you still control that with the development agreement and I think that with these changes we will comply with State Statute and I uh request that you recommend this transmission to the state for their review thank you thank you
next we have Jonathan Chalker good afternoon my name is Jonathan Chalker I live in Point Pleasant in Bradenton and I've been sworn when my wife Jess and I moved here 8 years ago we were going to do the Florida lifestyle we're going to have mid-century modern house we're going to
have a a dock on a on a on a uh on a canal a boat and then we looked at maybe 20 different houses and then we landed in Point Pleasant um it's a treasure it's a historic treasure uh we live in the Ali
and Sue Stewart house it's right on the corner of 15th and 1st and we have significant concerns about the potential disruption and damage that can happen during potentially a decade of construction you guys were debating a
little while ago about the noise that maybe 30 people might make and I would ask maybe consider the noise that like 30 trucks in a convoy with the uh girs blocks cement trucks I think you get the
idea I thought it was interesting that when the presenter earlier was asked by our councilwoman here if they had considered the possibility of restricting access to First First Street the answer was I don't know it's a
little premature they've been working on this I guess for 20 since 2021 I would say that the way you get in and out of a place is probably not the last thing you think of it's probably one of the very first and earliest things that you should be thinking of if you're going to put together a plan
I am sure that this organization is a fine organization with a bunch of great people that live that work there and also probably great people that live there but I do worry in the way about the way that they're going about this I've been here for eight years I've
never seen Outreach from this organization to the neighborhood and I do not know and I suspect there hasn't been a tremendous amount of consideration given to the compatibility that you guys have talked about already
as Donna said you will cause damage in fact my house has a big crack in 100y old fireplace that we have my understanding is that that happened when they put the pilings in for the condo across the street if you look at the map you can see where the Red Arrows point to get into this thing there is no way I can
see that that's gonna that you're going to go down the that you're going to be able to uh do all of this development without trucks constantly through that area and no matter how you slice it they're asking for a significant like multiplier of density and it's not just what their plan currently says if you
change that zoning it's going to multiply the D density and they're trying to double the height okay from six to 12 that is a tremendous change regardless of how you look at it so I would just ask if you're going to do this please figure out a way they're supposed to Bear the burden of the
infrastructure they should be able to take all the traffic through their property straight off of Manatee that's my time thank you so much appreciate it car you state your name and city of residence yes uh Terry Carr at Bradington city of
residence and I agree with Patty and Katie's earlier comments on the factual of our current density is the same that that it would be um you know with this or that our current density is far greater than the 15 units per per acre that is being um currently
in place if we had to re rebuild in the last three years I have participated in three hurricane evacu four hurricane evacuations of vulnerable residents here in very successful um each time and so we do have a good process we do follow
um those evacuation protocols and have been able to do that um for the safety and the betterment of of the neighborhood there certainly our goal is to enhance you know property which would benefit the old infrastructure which has been stated and the beauty of the neighborhood you know as
well we have 350 employees 250 residents who all support and patronize the local brington city businesses and feel like this would be a benefit to maintain um our current master plan proposal thank you very much thank
you next we have George is it Stout looks like St UDT okay all right um Margaret Moyer please state your name and your address thank you my name is Margaret Moyer um my address is 22 222 12 Street
West uh apartment 210 I am a resident of Bradenton um Mayor Brown and all the council members I am speaking today from my
heart I moved to Bradon in 2011 and uh moved into the Westminster Courtyard that has been 14 years of many
blessings and um I have made it my home my communion my committee community of friends and been truly blessed I feel blessed and my
family feels blessed that I live there it is a great network of uh people that work for us that take care of us and love us and um I have served on a lot of
committees uh during those 14 years but I have served on the Redevelopment committee and so I am aware of what Westminister does for redevelopment and development and so I
am in favor of uh an asking your approval for this amendment thank you thank you we have William perui William perui okay Allan McKay it's your name and your city of
residence good morning my name is Alan McKay I live in Bradington I'm part of the manor um longtime resident Manatee County I know how to say Manatee we moved here in 1948 when I was three and we liveed south of Bly Creek so I
actually had to go to school in Sarasota which I don't regret but uh that's why I went to Sarasota still living there my parents bought a house on 927 22nd Street West on Wes Creek directly across from ballad Elementary and that's where my mother stayed until she passed away
at age 90 my mother-in-law was actually on the ground when they broke ground for West Mr Mana wearing a hard hat she was a secretary of West of uh First Presbyterian Church and came out there for a photo operation op op with a silver hat on her head and she stayed at
the Mana for 20 almost 21 years we Patty and I have been living there for almost three and uh I expect Mr Brown you probably take care of me at the end of my lifetime here but I don't think I'll be around for the complete construction of the place across the creek but we are in favor of that we're all part of a
family um me means a lot to me and uh and the rest of the folks that we live in and uh just glad to be back in Bradon I had to leave for 48 years when I got transferred to Fort La we got back as quick as we could this time and we're back now for forever thank you thank you
we have Mark Mahoney please state your name and your city of residence you have three afternoon Mark Mahoney 1650 First Avenue West brington I uh just want to say that the uh my my neighbors uh my wife and I
oppos the uh the uh zoning change for uh Westminster um we um we've been down my wife and I have been here for about 7even years and the last three years we've experienced uh some really bad uh
discharges from the uh into the manate river due to Wastewater uh not being able to retain it and Spilled Out To The Man River as a result uh fishermen have moved on the fish have moved on the manatees have moved on and it's not
pleasant kayaking after a Wastewater spill um by uh by gaining or adding over 200 units over Westminster that's going to only add more problems to our
infrastructure I don't think we can handle it I my wife and I we uh often uh walk and uh and bike around Point Pleasant uh we uh we have uh talked to all our friends of navis including
Westminster elderly people have some great stories and uh the cars from servicing and visitors to Westminster currently speed down the road to begin with and uh and we have we're gaining traffic and if you build additional over
200 more units where not going to be able to um walk down the street safely it's uh you're going to have to stop putting up speed limit signs which were never there before so we uh we ask you to give a consideration and keep our neighborhood safe and and sound and and
think sensibly of how this is going to work with it's nice that the uh Westminster is offering to dig up all the soil lines and replace them but the waste water still has to go somewhere thank you thank you Jim paloski please state your name your city of
residence and you have three minutes hi Jim palaski um I live in paletto I work at Westminster communes of Florida for the last 10 years um we talk a little bit here today about zoning change I really don't feel it's a zoning change
um in my opinion it was a mistake in the first place I think there was a lot of work being done when the city decided to uh Zone this property and if they had just looked what was actually there um it was probably a clerical error just from the amount of work necessary if you
look at our buildings we already have the density we already have 11 plus stories and we're just asking for what we have already to be protected and I believe it's the city's job and um you do a great job at protecting the citizens we want to be protected from
that standpoint as well the the concerns about um construction and damages you know zoning code all those City entities they'll play their part in making sure that when we do the project we do it right and nobody wants to do it right more than us uh our neighbors talk about
inconvenience to them if construction would happen and um certainly we would do everything that we can to minimize any inconvenience but if we're going to look at inconvenience as stopping construction then the city would be done doing new work and uh it would
eventually deteriorate into nothing and I know none of you want that to happen as well as us so I am in support and I thank you for your time thank you Mike Carter Mr Mayor me members of the council Mike Carter Point Pleasant and I
have been sworn after reading um hundreds of pages of narrative and graphs um I finally settled on the two most important items and that's density in the coastal High Hazard area um Westminster is licensed for 401 units
that's per them they um exceed the allowable density today but they are a legal non-conforming use so they remain legal today you are not obligated to rezone their property to provide them legality
and that's an important Point 15 units the acre today requesting 40 interestingly Florida statute defines group homes for the purpose of density as six bedrooms without kitchens per
dwelling unit if you do that math it equals 240 units per acre so that would be allowed there that would be entitled there they promise that they're never going to do that but it's only a promise there is no document for anyone to
review today the developers agreement has not been drafted the deal points in the developers agreement don't exist today sometime in the future this is going to get drafted there's a concept plan that shows building
locations um it's a promise it has it is not tied to any of these approvals that you're considering today and so they can change their mind they can change their location of buildings form-based code says that in
T5 front yard setback shall be 0 to 20 ft so that is a 12 story building on First Avenue at the sidewalk form based code does not give you the opportunity for increased setbacks or buffers or managing all of those site plan
components they're so important the current F is6 the new F would be 8.0 more than a 10 time increase in the F they say there's higher density to the
South and to the east it's not contiguous the definition of contiguous is a continuous um shared boundary uninterrupted and I tell you it is interrupted by Manatee and 15th the coastal High Hazard area has
restrictions for obvious reasons it's not just the Westminster site it's 4,000 properties that this amendment would affect it could affect Tarpon point it could affect single family residences that join together if
you have a half an acre you could potentially um permit 20 units in a 12-story building on a half an acre the entire city Waterfront would be affected this gives all thank you next
we have Sandra lot hello please state your name and your city of residence you have three minutes Sandra lot 1600 1 Avenue West Bradington um I I wrote a letter and I hope you all read it um I have strong opposition to
changing of the Pres proposed zoning in our area um especially in the coastal Hazard area and as a resident and concerned citizen I believe these changes could have severe and Lasting
consequences for the safety the environment and the overall well wellbeing of our coastal region and I just want to say you know a couple years ago I spent my life savings um for the place that I lived
that I thought I was going to get to retire to on a quiet street in Bradenton with the walkability of the Riverwalk and um I frequent the places I I bu my shirts from from Pink and navy we go to
the restaurants and we picked it because it was a quiet street and what Westminster is asking is to change that which then changes the opportunity for me to live out the rest of my life
here and Westminster already had some people at the End of the Street a crew with porta potties and the traffic that came down the street I could not walk our dog on our street because it was too
busy you know they still have some storm debris and other things in their property that needs to be cleaned up you know my husband and I after the storms came we got shovels and we cleaned up down by Curry Park you know the Rocks were up so high and I worried about the
people whose plac is flooded and if we didn't move the Rocks they were going to flood again so I'm invested in this community but you know I don't know right there on on our street it dips a little bit from what
I've heard was there was a sinkhole and over the last three months the sinkhole has gotten the dip has gotten more as time goes on I think there's a lot that at the for the people of Point Pleasant that you need to think about as
we change these zoning things and um and I I am opposed to every single one of them you know I think the increased traffic congestion we have inadequate
infrastructure the neighborhood character and livability and even the environmental impacts you know of these zoning changes and as a resident who cares deeply about the future of our community we Ur we urge you to reconsider this comprehensive plan and
Zoning changes and um I respect I respectfully request that you vote against the proposed thank you we have Bill Hall up next um Mayor Brown council members I am Bill Hall I'm a resident of St
Petersburg and for 35 years I was a resident in Manatee County serving as pastor of Kirkwood Presbyterian Church for 30 years we raised our two children here who attended and graduated from man
keani schools I was active in community programs to support those in need concentrate on services for homeless families with children uh council member Barnaby was a big supporter and thank
you while in manate County I served for 17 years on the Westminster communities of Florida Board chairing it for six years during that time I came to know Westminster as always striving for our
retirement communities to be good neighbors and investing in the larger community in many ways salaries taxes volunteering and a number of other ways throughout our now 70 years Westminster communities of Florida has
sought for excellence in services to older adults and in developing our physical resources the board standard has always been to meet or exceed local standards and ordinances and that will
continue an important ele westminster's approach is to include residents in having their voices in the process of planning and programming on a personal note an add additional means of doing so began a
year ago when the first time in their history the board elected a resident as a member of the board me I am listening to Residents and sharing with the board my perspectives
regarding the potential impacts of our decisions on residents yet another example of westminster's flexibility and Innovations in seeking to serve with Excellence your approving
the three amendments will enable Westminster provide more units for older to adult housing add Remodel and replace existing units doing so in a way that will maintain the neighbors quality
neighborhood's quality of life while enhancing our capacity for enriching the lives of future residents thank you for letting me share with you Susan Miller Kelly Susan Miller Kelly I don't see her
yet Laura Hillier state your name and your city of residence and you have three minutes Laura hiler Bradenton I am uh live in a home at Westminster Manor and the manor of
course is part of Westminster Bradenton we had no advanced notice other other until about a week ago that all of this Redevelopment plan was in the work for Resident uh for Westminster Bradenton
which does of course affect uh the residents at the Manor um I have two concerns and one has to do with the evacuation plan we live in independent
living in a home uh not in a high-rise building the staff does take care of assisted living from both The Manor and Point Pleasant Westminster buildings assisted living and Health Center so the
staff is busy taking care of evacuating uh using um I'll call them charter buses and trucks to transport residents to uh Lakeland uh and to Orlando and further P
primarily but not only to other Westminster communities Independent Living residents are uh honor own some do go to the the uh public shelter so my concern is that would and until two
years ago Westminster Manor high-rise building was not an Evac in evacuation Zone a so Westminster Manor building could be used as a shelter uh during evacuation times my concern is I would like the Westminster communities to have
arrangements for all residents to be able to have an evacuation without sitting on a bus for up to six hours in in traffic to remote locations and my other concern is uh the increase in
density of course it's one thing to ask to replace and refurbish uh remodel existing units but the plan is presented as if phase one will increase new units
for independent living and each unit may have one but may have two residents so up to 300 new residents it's presented as if all of phase one will happen uh with the uh concern that Health Center
man The Manor Health Center was closed two years ago suddenly and arbitrarily to our surprise at Westminster Manor saying they did not want to spend $4 million up to 4 million to refurbish the health center so Westminster Bradenton
lost 59 Health Center beds and now now occupies at the health center here with close to 100% occupancy so I'm concerned about increasing density with more independent people using the Health Center thank you thank you Todd
lot please state your name and your city and you'll have up to three minutes thank you hi Todd lot uh 1600 1 Avenue West Bradington Florida good afternoon thank you for your time today I think one of the things I heard uh this afternoon that I hadn't heard before was
a great line about harmony with surrounding areas and that's what we talked about with the Event Center earlier right it has to have harmony with the surrounding areas I think that's the one thing we're not hearing at all from Westminster at the last meeting it was very clearly stated by
their attorney that they are a business and they are not part of our local community that was that was their words not ours we just talked for I don't know how many minutes about this event center and what happens with lights with noise how that could affect Westminster at no
time here am I hearing anybody talk about how westminster's development and this giant high-rise and all these new things and all this increased density how it's going to affect us we're very worried about you guys but no one seems to be worried about the residence in Point Pleasant it's it's really
frustrating because as you look at this whole idea of what it means to have harmony with the surrounding areas we're going to increase traffic I spoke to blon Bron police officer who said they're worried about the issues already with parking and now we're going to have
increased traffic what are we going to do with all these people that are be driving around because we heard they do frequent our businesses and they do help our community though I haven't seen a lot of that in addition to that there are the safety things that you've heard their their trucks their buses the cars
that come out of Westminster fly down First Avenue and I don't just mean speed I'm talking about driving recklessly speeding they run the stop signs you try to cross a street on First Avenue you it's a tiny residential street but you really have to sometimes take your life
in your hands with all of this this stuff that comes out of Westminster and now we're going to add in construction Crews I I don't understand that on top of that we have all of the the environmental impact of that you know you I get that you guys want them to pay for all this great stuff with sewage but
what's that going to do when they're digging for fiber optic cable and sewage and everything else we have sink holes we heard about we have flooding we have water issues we have sewer issues we have drainage issues I mean I don't know how many times I go to look at the news or look at a note and I don't know if I can drink my water on that given
day we walk this neighborhood all the time and their business is fine as is it I we all have our risks right we we live across the street I get it if there's a hurricane that could take our building down but right now they're building functions as is but what I don't really
get is what do they really want to do first I hear they're trying to protect future neighbors because if the building does get torn down from a hurricane they can't rebuild that's an important point but I think what I keep hearing more and more is how they want to grow this business and they need better residences
that's very different than saying you need to make sure you take care of your current residences andway I'm completely against this our neighborhood is getting destroyed it was called Point Pleasant for a reason it's turning app Point Metropolis thank you thank you Susan Miller Kelly good afternoon my uh thank you for
being for having me letting me be here to speak mayor City Council Members again my name is Susan Miller Kelly I have been sworn in uh and thank you for your time today do I need to State my address you're fine okay um one concern I want
to address to today is the traffic study or the traffic Transportation imp impact analysis Westminister submitted as part of their submissed submission for ordinance 4036 case cp.
24364 this analysis was prepared by an employee of Stant Consulting who represents Westminister in this application Mr Matthew Crim the author of the study includes in his report a disclaimer stating and I quote any use which a third party makes of
this report or any Reliance on or decisions made on it are the responsibilities of such third parties sta Consulting Services Inc accepts no responsibility for damages if any suffered by the any third party as a result of decisions made or actions
based on this report end quote in other words the city of Bradenton and its residents are on their own if the information provided in the report depend is depended is depended on
ES Theo this study is grossly incomplete for example it did not include the directly impacted streets of 15th Street West 1 Avenue West and Third Avenue West the study only included 64 State 64
Manatee Avenue West from 26th Street West to 15th Street West to 9th Street West and 15th Street West to to 9th Street West the existing traffic level of service was exceeded during peak hours to date no traffic
Studies have been performed on Third Avenue West I'm sorry no no traffic Studies have been performed on Third Avenue West 1st Avenue West or 15th Street Street West the roads that will be directly impacted
by increased density I implore you you to have your own comprehensive traffic study conducted to determine factually how citizens everyday lives will be affected simply in terms of traffic additionally this study only relates to
the impact of the Westminister request and does not consider the additional construction taking place in the downtown Corridor that also impact the main roads like Highway 64 manate Avenue 920 Manatee River Dance new construction of
Apartments Riverview 6 the Met future proposed construction on City Hall property First Avenue West is constantly failing currently there is a sinking area that has already been patched in the past it needs to
be repaired oh that was three minutes you know what I'm having so much fun time flies Glenn Compton thank you you state your name in your city and you have have three minutes uh Glenn Compton I'm here on behalf of mannasota
88 I've submitted a card uh saying uh that I represent the organization U we still only have a three minute policy here sir so be it um Minnesota 88 is a not for-profit public health environmental organization we were formed in 1968 oldest environmental organization in the area uh we're
opposing this uh ordinance uh 4035 36 and 37 um comprehensive plans are developed ments should conform to comprehensive plans comprehensive plans should not be changed to conform to a development but
that's what you are doing today and no matter how you look at it uh increasing the density in a coastal High Hazard area is never a good idea but not only are you allowing for an increase in the coastal High Hazard area you're also allowing for the transfer of development
within the Uplands into the castal high Hazard area so we're getting a double whammy with what is being proposed in ordinance uh uh 40 35 which is really the only thing that you're considering today if the rezone were to come before you today
even though it is advertised staff would have to recommend that it's inconsistent with your current comprehensive plan this rezone which will be considered at a later time has to would not conform with what you have on the books now you have to
change your entire comprehensive plan which will affect the entire city limits um staff has said that it will affect 4,000 Parcels 28% of the of the uh of the land
use that you have in the city um no matter how you look at it uh putting a living assisted facility in a coastal High Hazard area is not a good idea it wasn't a good idea 60 years ago it's not a good idea today you don't correct
mistakes by making more mistakes and you're about to do one that is Citywide and so we recommend denial of that but I do want to point out one thing that is in the staff report if adopted this amendment will allow for
the consideration of application of land use changes that increase the allowable res residential density and Parcels located in the coastal High Hazard area that's obviously our serious con concern and con that we have with what's being proposed it would also allow a project
of allowable of allocated allowable density within the project boundaries including from the Upland portion of the project adjacent to the coastal High Hazard area so again not only are you increasing the density in
the coastal High Hazard area you're also setting up a circumstance where you can allow for Upland density to be transferred into the coastal High Hazard area and I don't know how you spend that that's just not good proper planning so we recommend that you deny this um don't
expect the state to do anything more than put a rubber stamp on this I mean you know State review is not what it used to be decades ago uh so what you decide today to transfer this to the state you can expect it'll come right back we have Charles wowak good afternoon my name is Charles
wak I've been War uh I live at 1549 1 Avenue West Point Pleasant and I've been there pushing 35 years now so I just wrote down some things that concern me and I
hope you consider that uh in your mations so I think we have too much traffic down there as it is we have to you have to fight your way in and out uh
almost daily going around repair trucks and and U any kind of uh construction vehicles any kind of work they do down there and those people they have to park somewhere so it's usually on the road usually First Avenue and and it's a
jigsaw puzzle sometimes deciding who's going to go first um the roads are narrow and daily we have these 30 to 40 foot semis coming down and trying to get around
that almost almost daily so and what they do is they come up they stop on a road and then nobody can get by they have to go in get their paperwork approved they come out and sometimes it's they have a
little two- wheel Dolly they come take the stuff in and they leave now that's that's ridiculous they you know and these people at Westminster they have a loading dock I see it's up there on uh I'm not sure what the road is but uh right in front of their facility I don't
know why the big trucks don't go there but anyway and that that's just destroying the infrastructure down there you go down there and look see the curbs beat up see the the the corners beat up if if if they're not beat up look and
you'll see they've been repaired and there's tire tracks on them so don't don't take my word for it go down there um zoning we had this we had the same problem 10 15 years ago we went to we went had to go to war to change the
zoning it was T5 I think we got it changeed to this T4 that was the best we could do the T5 my understanding was you're going to have to yeah they could have built a gas station next to my house or highrise buildings which are right
across catac corner for me now but I just uh I don't see how that can help and also now on this comprehensive plan if the evacuation of people is a problem why go for more people to evacuate I mean there's only one or two
ways to go in there most of and people on the point have one way that's it First Avenue and if ELD the evacuation is a problem with not why not look for a place that's less of a problem Inland say so you know a lot of people out on
the islands found out why they call them Barrier Islands this this year thank you Lee CR parf thank you please state your name and your city of residence you have three inire Westminster Towers Bradenton um swor
in we've been here about two and a half years and like many people in Westminster have contributed in various ways philanthropy supporting businesses helping Bard and RGB kids with their reading and so forth
but more importantly this country the United States is getting older and that's not going to change it's just going to keep getting older and older and as you get older you need more services of the nature that are
available at Westminster well if you can imagine how many more people are going to need those Services as we go down the road that's why this development is so important uh in fact a lot of the people that are opposing it now are going to
need those services and are going to need someplace to go so um that's why this is critical firstly for everybody in this room and I hope you consider moving this forward thank you thank you um at this time as
we said as it got close to 2 o'clock we're going to take a recess while the CRA meets so we'll recess um and we'll just have to watch and see how long the CRA takes and we'll then come back in on recess after that's over did
you all right we'll come out of recess for the city council meeting and go back to the public hearing we have Patty Oliver McKay Miss McKay had to leave okay um Kendall Taylor Kevin
life remind you have three minutes and state your name and your city of residence my name is Kevin life I live in Bradenton Florida my wife and I live in Westminster Courtyard yard over on Old Main Street we owned a bed and breakfast in Key West Florida for 20 years God
bless you it was a lot of fun a lot of great memories we moved here 10 months ago to retire we have fallen in love with Bradenton it is a friendly vibrant town full of fun things to do and that didn't
happen by accident it's obvious you all did a lot of planning and careful consideration to make this happen thank you now we're asking you for your careful consideration of today's topic we respectfully ask you to consider
westminster's amendment I apologize I'm a little nervous currently Zone 4 makes it difficult for us to replace repair or renovate our existing buildings so heaven forbid we have a hurricane and a
building's destroyed under current Zone 4 rest restrictions we cannot rebuild that building it's going to be smaller this means my wife myself my friends and neighbors will have to relocate this
would be devastating we have chosen to live our final days here and to ask us to move at this point would just be tragic regarding our neighbors that are upset about the change I'm truly sorry
but I have to say there's something called due diligence and when they were buying their home they had a chance to research us see what Westminster is about and make their decision we're not new we've been here since 1965 the one
building 1974 for the other we're not a surprise we've been here a while there are several there are several hundred of us that live in Westminster this amendment is very very important important to us please give us your
consideration thank you and God bless America thank you George Claxton George claron I live in Westminster Shores been there about six months um I'd just like to remind
everyone in the room it's not West we the residents are the face of Westminster we're the ones telling the captain of the ship and the crew of the ship that we need you to make sure that
we're still here in 20 and 30 years new buildings refurbished buildings and like Mr light says I'm very concerned I didn't have the slightest idea anything about zoning that if something would have happened in the last two hurricanes
in my building which did receive water damage and our first floor which was our dining facility and all the other amenties has been out of use for five months we're just starting to get back had it been worse as he said and as our
lawyers and the presentators have said if we had to be relocated because be rebuilt not all of us going would come back and I don't think it's a legal issue I think it's a moral issue somewhere in the past the people that
sat in these chairs did some rezoning which even your Planning Commission can't really find out what the sequence of events of how we or when we got reson the T4 all we know is we
were legally built back 50 60 years ago go and that's all we're asking for I sat here I sat at the planning conference and I can't believe some of the other comments it's like they
weren't in the same room uh talking about parking utilities we all know no developer is going to go out and develop property unless he's zoned to build on it so right now we're
asking to get the zoning straight irrespective of of how it occurred in the past okay so we're allowed to rebuild and refurbish our buildings that in 20 years will'll be 70 80 90 years
old okay the people that live in the Conservation District which was formed in 2016 because they were tired of condos coming in tearing down the homes in Point Pleasant and by the way Westminster never they tore down one
home in property they bought all the other property that we own that's not built on right now other developers tore down those homes no one in Point Pleasant District owned their property prior to the
establishment of Westminster as Mr I said they all knew the buildings were there thank you sir all right at this time I have no more cards but we still are under public hearing so if there was anyone that did not fill out a card that would wish to come forward now would be
the time and um so anyone that did not speak if you wish to come forward just kind of line up down the aisle there and if you make sure if you've been sworn if you haven't is is anyone in the room gonna speak that has not
been sworn okay so Mrs Melton will'll swear you do you swear we raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the factual statements and representations which you're about to present to this board will be truthful and accurate yes thank you please state your name and
your city of residence and you'll have three minutes my name is Constance Hill I live here in brenon I I'm a resident at in The Shores At Westminster uh coming up on our seventh anniversary as a matter of fact and I'm here to speak in favor of 4035 I don't
want to talk about the zoning issues right now because I understand that that's not really what you're going to be voting on so I want to speak on 4035 and I want to speak specifically in reference to the EV evacuation um issues um I can say from firsthand experience
watching our team members as they have planned and prepared organized and executed the evacuation of our Assisted Living Memory Care Nursing Care residents is just um awesome and inspiring it is amazing to me at how
these people will uh our team members work so hard for the for our residents for our vulnerable people and they have a plan they execute it they they go with them they travel with them they leave their homes and their families to go with our vulnerable residents to take
care of them throughout an evacuation um and I just have the highest regard for them so when we're talking about evacuation I just want you to know in my opinion Westminster does have a plan and it is a successful plan and when they come back they look at what
they did they evaluate it if anything needs to be changed and they will adjust their plan as for Independent Living residents I'm an independent living resident I'm expected to take care of myself and I do I make my own plans and I follow through with those uh we have
many people uh Independent Living friends who have family in the area and they're able to to uh use family resources or go to the family home to stay during an evacuation if they need to or they go to friends homes or several of our independent living friends will band together and go
someplace where they can evacuate together but Independent Living residents we are expected and we should be able to make our own plans for evacuation and take care of ourselves in that I don't hold Westminster responsible for us but I feel like they do an excellent job for our vulnerable
residents and I just wanted to say that so I'm in favor of the 4035 thank you very much thank you sir you please state your name and your city of residence and you'll have three minutes my name is William Miller 11126
Street West I'm right next door to the shores infirmary um a house was built in 1914 by Robert Bell the owner of Bell's department store they owned it till 75 when my parents took it over and it came to me in
2019 we put a lot of money into that house revamped all the electrical the plumbing the appliances put hurricane windows in new roof everything but just an example of their neighborhood friendship there was a dirt alley next to to the road next to our
house on the south side which they came to us we own about a third of it they came to us and said we'd like to PVE it so we can get emergency vehicles in and out and they promised that it would only be emergency vehicles now everybody uses it the residences their guests their
contractors delivery people everybody it's it's kind of interrupted our privacy uh they talk big about hurricane evaluation or evacuation excuse me you know you can have a hurricane evacuation a week ahead of time what I'm worried
about is emergencies a fire getting emergency crews in getting people out so they don't get burned up in the fires and unfortunately in today's world hostage crisises you need to get the police in there to handle those situations they're talking about building
highrises right behind our house um they claim that their buildings are near the end of life they're only 50 years old my house is 111 years old and it's still going strong okay I've heard a lot of half-truths and falsehoods from these
folks over here uh talking about their concerns and they're not in reality uh their their upgrades are at the expense of all the neighbors they keep talking about paying taxes but they don't pay anywhere near what the people who actually live there do because they're are not for profit so they're
not paying their fair share and the the shores as far as the flooding is concerned that's their own fault because they built the first floor down below ground level and they knew it at the time because they wanted it taller but they couldn't get it taller so they put it down below so they could get that
extra floor uh their plan doesn't benefit the residents of Bradenton just themselves their Parks their riverv viws their commercial properties their Riverwalk area that's just for their people that's not for the community that's not for me
to walk down there and enjoy that's just for them and I also want want to know you know all the noise destruction dust everything what we've already gone through before are we going to be compensated for that as residents probably
not um also you're going to put up all these new residences so 100 plus that means 100 plus cars there's only two Avenues in there you've been told this time and time again Third Avenue and First Avenue they're just they're not they're not going to be able to handle
that kind of of of traffic thank you sir anyone else wishing to speak anyone else all right we'll close the public hearing Mr Delong is there anything
else or Miss singer does does the applicant yeah I was going to say if you we don't have anything from staff can the you know and then we'll go to questions by the council and then the chair will
entertain a motion good afternoon Patricia Petra for the record um you've heard a lot of comments from um people who live there people in the neighborhood people from other places I'm going to ask Mr Keith to come up and talk about how
Westminster accomplished construction and renovation of the project in St Peters that was right next to a neighborhood I mean I understand the neighbor's concerns um that is one of the prices of
new construction somebody you know if somebody builds a new house next to me I'll be enduring the building of that new house during the time frame that it's being built so that's just part part and partial of how construction works but I want Mr Keith to come up and
talk about some of the very specific specific issues that were the concerns of the residents so thank you again so the the uh the vibration your name for the record again I'm sorry state your name for the record Henry Keith Westminster communities of Florida uh the vibration
that occurs when a building is being put in of that size you're probably used to the old pilings where they pile it in the ground and you feel it for seems like miles it goes along that's an old technology that we haven't used in a number of years uh it's now called augur pilings I believe it's called or augur
pil we actually drill holes into the ground very deep and pour concrete into that so because we don't want the vibrations either because we have buildings right there next to where these new buildings will be going so we don't want any vibrations to crack our buildings either at the same time so
when we did the westmin shores project uh we did that kind of pilings at that one uh we had uh access uh through the residential street uh to the neighborhood through the neighborhood to that and minimized what we could uh of the construction nor and construction
timing at the same time so we did not allow the construction Crews to work in the middle of the night things like that to appease the neighborhood because remember we still have residents living on this property this is not a brand new building on the property this is an additional buildings or buildings to the property so we have to be concerned
about our residence in addition to the neighborhood residence thank you um Patricia Petra I'd like to ask Mr piny to come up and talk about how we have an emergency evacuation plan for our
vulnerable residents that would be assisted living nursing home we do have um plans for assisted living or a manner to make sure that ouris I mean our independent living people um do have a
strategy if in case of an emergency and I'd like Mr pansky to explain what we do okay thank you again Jim palaski um so there there seemed to be a lot of concern about our residents evacuating in event of an emergency we have been
evacuating in emergencies for 70 years uh we have never had any significant major issues um our residents uh in the assisted living and skilled are personally put on vehicles with our team members and located to other communities
where uh we house them as stated before our independent living people we actually start in the spring of every year and we have uh Emergency Management come out and speak at our town hall meetings educate everyone on on the proper ways to evacuate the proper ways
to prepare to evacuate the things to have uh to shelter in place uh at that point each resident uh completes their own um uh evacuation plan those plans are handed into our communities we keep those and track those make sure they're
suitable should they not come to fruition if something happens that they can't fulfill their plan then certainly we're a nonprofit faith-based Christian organization who would take care of those people and we have done it many of times this year particularly we had two major hurricanes as you know um and we
had plenty of units at our other communities that were offered to Residents they didn't need them they had plenty of places to go without them but we had an abundance that that weren't even taken up so um and and I'm also happy to say you've met some of our independent living residents today and many many of them are stronger faster
and even more capable than myself so uh they are independent and they have their own choices of where they wish to evacuate so any other questions on evacuation thank you thank you Jim Patricia Petra I'm going to ask Katie labar to come up and address some
of the um compatibility issues and some of the traffic impact and just the general comments from different residents thank you Patty chairman again Katie labar for the
record I have been sworn as it relates to compatibility and some of the comments that we heard from residents um as you know Point Pleasant um the the built form of Point Pleasant is by its nature very eclectic and that really
speaks to the charm of the community um it is a combination of single family homes along with condomania the existence of Westminster for the last um several since the
1960s in the area I believe adds to that charm and so um having this community proposed to redevelop in the way that we're proposing it is really very logical when we have larger
institutional type uses is just from a pure planning standpoint when we have these larger institutional type uses having a master plan is the best way to chart the long range path for development um it helps create
predictability not just for the the property owner for Westminster but also for the city as well as the residents you have a solid idea of what's going to be coming forward over time you have the ability to anticipate the infrastructure
impacts and how the changes that will be made can be made in a very thoughtful logical process you then have the opportunity to Think Through how the public private Partnerships will work how the funding will work and how it will all come together to benefit
everyone in the end um the form based code is the is the code that we have that we have to live with and that that we will that we will have to comply with when each phase of development comes
through that form-based code is appropriately flexible and that will be addressed that the flexibility that might be needed to ensure compatibility with certain Edge conditions that's something that will have to be worked
through as we go through the process as to Transportation um our comprehensive plan map Amendment application which is the second application that we spoke about and one that is not being voted on today one of
the requirements for that application is the U traffic impact analysis um that analysis uh is really a study of the traffic generation that is theoretically um produced by the
existing zoning existing land use category rather and compared to the proposed land use category so it's not a comparison of existing trips versus future trips it is a comparison of what would the land use category uh generate
in terms of trip generation in theory versus the future and so it's a maximum maximum existing to maximum potential and that's what is being evaluated when those traffic impact analyses are are um prepared the Traffic
Engineers have to evaluate thoroughfare roadways and so um those are roadways that you would have a level of Service established for local roads don't have levels of service and so the local roads
weren't studied um and nor should they have been because there's nothing there's no data available to study that um and there's no requirement to conduct that announ analysis at this stage of development um the traffic study did it
traffic impact analysis rather did have uh conclusions and I'm happy to share those conclusions with you if you'd like to evaluate them but again you're not making a decision on the comp plan Amendment today um and I'll leave you with this as you
all know uh Land Development is a process and we are at the very first step of that process um access management site circulation as well as the improvements to infrastructure all of these things are going to be evaluated at the
appropriate Step In the Land Development review process and so I hope that that helps clarify some of the comments that were made and um a lot of the information that was provided to you in our application packets thank you thank you
Katy you look through see if I have anything more to say um Mr Carter indicated that we are legal nonconforming use that is a correct statement sadly in your zoning code
illegal non-conforming uses are not allowed to be rebuilt at the density that they currently have you have to rebuild at the density in the zoning
District that has been assigned to you in conformance with the comp plan in conformance with the coastal High Hazard area etc etc so the fact that we're a legal non-conforming
use and the idea that this this area of the city should never change is not really an acceptable thought process in my mind you know the city should want
the area to be enhanced it's the gateway to your downtown um I always thought that the planners that determined that 15th Street West was somehow the cut off
between downtown you know Urban core downtown and and the and then residential which is what was put on this property was odd because I came here 47 years ago and for me the natural
boundary of downtown Bradington is where's Creek I mean if you were trying to describe how to get around in Bron which people had to do for me for like two years they would go it's west of where's Creek I'm like oh okay I mean
that's the natural boundary and that's what the planers should have used whenever the 15 uh unit per acre high density was drafted I I agree with what Miss labar said about the form based code it's the code that we have there are
opportunities for flexibility in them and if if that flexibility can't be worked out with staff we'll be working it out with the city council because it's your code and you are allowed to make decisions about how that code is
interpreted the today we are asking for you to approve the text Amendment to the comprehensive plan which will bring an opportunity for people who own property
in your Coastal High Hazard area which is basically way to describe how people or which people need to evacuate um people in your Coastal High Hazard area it will give those people an
opportunity to redevelop their land and not have to rely upon being a non-conforming use if they are wherever they are it um com what we're asking for
complies with state law it is a high bar I don't think there are very many developers that will be able to put together the types of evacuation plans that Westminster already has in place so
it is a high bar for people um we are asking for that to happen because many of our existing buildings Traverse the coastal High Hazard area so again
even though we're not allowed to rebuild to that density it's like okay what can we have within the coastal High Hazard area and how can we rebuild and and we've already heard that we can't rebuild the 11 story building to 11 stories because in the T4 you will we
have I think five is that right four or five six T5 T4 yeah so so we can't yeah we can't build 211 stories so that automatically creates a problem so are you ready for questions from so we we just
respectfully ask you to transmit that complaint Amendment to the state for review all right Council any questions right off or comments I made all
on but I don't no we can we can ask I I want to make a couple comments and then I'll go to the council um just on some things that were said they said we have some sink holes and I'm just trying to correct we don't have sink holes we have depressions that are probably pipes that
are collapsing um sink holes are a whole different thing that we don't have in the city thank goodness but those aren't sink Coes those are pipes that are collapsing that need to be fixed and and that and then also um one of the things that we're working through there was a
statement made that we're just releasing sewage into the river we are not releasing raw sewage into the river there is times when a pipe will break or something will happen but you know our Wastewater system is in a face it and fix it mode we are aggressively
addressing that we're we have a meeting with the county next week that we're going to aggressively address it with some of their 200 52 million that they got to start to fix some of our storm or Wastewater pipes by lining and hopefully helping um the laterals that are out
there for maybe more than a thousand homes that will really make a difference so you know and if you look at the the report that just came out that I got yesterday from water Keepers the Manatee River is under 10 which is swimmable and
it's not even a swimmable area that it's right where it comes out so some of the things again that's more of just you know let's talk about it and if there's an issue let's fix it but we are facing and fixing some of our Wastewater issues and storm water throughout the whole
city um councilman Kramer did you have something I guess questions for Scott we much like what I talked about we talked about three things today but we're only voting on the one should we make comments on everything or just on on the one I think that's really up
to the council um but the only action today would be whether or not to transmit ordinance uh 4035 4035 to the state yes so and I think one of the things also is this will come that these are all first readings so they will come
back for another meeting right but everyone may not be not the one and if I may mayor yes um if you vote to transmit uh the comp plan Amendment then when we come back you're going to bring you of course second reading on the other the map Amendment as well as the
rezone and that map amendment should be accompanied by that development agreement that we talked about so we're going to be drafting that development agreement with the with the city attorney and the city administrator uh to bring that back to you over the next couple of months while the other issue
is being reviewed by the state and so anything that you think is pertinent to have in that development agreement if you can convey that to uh Mr Perry um we'll make sure that that makes it into the development agreement so when it comes back to you you can comment on it and uh and have something that you feel
comfortable approving so normally on a first reading we say this is the first reading we normally don't have a lot of comment we say it's going to be at the next meeting this time we're saying here's the comment and if we if they decide to transmit then it'll go but
it'll be open-ended when the meeting will be because we won't know when we're going to get the text Amendment back from the state yes so I would say possibly if there's a motion out there to transmit in a second then
we go into discussion if someone's ready to do that yes sir if I could just be heard real real real briefly microphone sure you know I some of the comments that were made deal with traffic obviously
and other issues um Westminster is far away from receiving building permits to actually build anything there um and I think it's important to look at it um step by step what what the council is voting on today and ultimately the other two uh pieces of legislation including
the map Amendment and the zoning but at the end of the day the the the proposal itself for constru you know for permits is going to have to go through an sip process a site Improvement plan and so things like traffic um are going to have
to be addressed and they're addressed basically by the public works department it comes back before uh Council for approval the individuals that either support or oppose it have the opportunity through that part of the process to comment um the infrastructure is the same way um as it relates to the
master agreement and sharing of uh offsite what we call offsite mitigation or or infrastructure improvements and the like but I think it's really important that people don't leave and think basically well it it's just that it's all approved they can do anything they want there um either today or even
after the next two pieces of legislation it's it's very important to understand that the concerns of the community can be addressed through the SI process and that's typically where we do address them right
okay okay Miss Moore um I think that I would I would like to just tell you all the concerns that I have that I would well let me start at the beginning um to the to the question of what we're here doing today which is whether or not to
adopt the text Amendment 4035 um it's notable to me that if you look at the map of the coastal High Hazard area um a significant portion of it is located within Ward 4 um as well as a significant portion is in the uh
most northern part uh northeastern part of Ward five and of course another Super significant portion is located within W one prco Island um and forget me and you too those are some massive chunks of it
and um and particularly in light of you know a lot of the damage that we sustained in the storms um while I appreciate the gentleman from Minnesota 888's um comments about whether or not it's it's responsible to rebuild in a coastal High Hazard um it is just my
opinion as a resident who lives in one of those areas that um that makes me feel a little forgotten um I want to be able to rebuild those areas and I want want to do it responsibly um and I want that flexibility that the state statute is giving us this is not a blank check
it is uh to miss uh petr's comment a high standard and I think if you pay attention to these meetings I have a high standard I can assure you that when someone comes before me for these type of issues I I adopt a high standard um
that said as well um as to the specific rezone I will just say that uh when you have a por of the community that speaks so passionately about the feeling that they have that another portion of the community is not being a good neighbor I
I would just say let's take a moment to acknowledge that and listen to those comments um this is an opportunity for Westminster to go back and address those comments in in a neighborly fashion um
and what I'm hearing is that traffic times and patterns of instruction um and and a general sense of neighborly collaboration is the things that are most notable to the to that part of the community so I would like to see at the
second reading us have a conversation about that um I will also again just end with my own personal concern which is that uh while I appreciate that public and private Partnerships
with uh with new developments can help sometimes the P the public aspect update their infrastructure and whatnot I'm just concerned we have a lot we have a lot um and I I have I do have I would I would not be being honest if I didn't say that I didn't have some reservation
about the pace of development and the pace at which we can face it and fix it realistically and reasonably um and that is really where my my real passion is I think everyone also kind of has an idea about that which is that I do want us to face it and fix it and and I'm excited
that we're trying to do that at an aggressive pace and so I would just caution us to kind of keep in mind what we can bite off and what we can't um at this time challenge accepted so I'll say it I'm I'm you know
we're going to face it and we're going to fix it and we're aggressively working towards those things and it's you and I have agreed on that the whole time how quick can we get it done what can we do do and I've always said it um in Grants
the lobbyist you know for seven years I tried to get us a lobbyist and couldn't that was one of the first things we did when I became mayor and it's you know $250,000 and we've got north of 20 plus million so you know that's what I'm
saying I agree with you but this will be one of those things that could help us that next step then there's another step then there's another step and that's Mr Perry is going to be bringing that in our next work shop so you know we've aggressively been talking about that Mr cran oh Mrs Coker well um in terms of
the public private partnership sometimes that partnership allows it to happen faster and cheaper because it is the private sector doing it as opposed to waiting for the city to do it um so I I think it presents a little bit of a
better opportunity to make things better quicker um um that'll be a benefit to everyone that's on Point Pleasant not just Westminster or the residents that are already there um the only other comment I had is that I you know point I
love Point Pleasant I I've sold several properties there and listed several properties there and I treasure it and the people that are there I consider friends and but I also look at the Westminster residents and I see how vibrant they are and how much they bring to our downtown they're always at the
events and the farmers market and everything so my hope is that this doesn't tear it apart that we can somehow come together and be a win-win because we are so blessed to have that little Point Pleasant a lot of people don't even know what Point Pleasant is unless they've been there so um I hope
that we can you know in the in in the vein of what councilwoman's that we would have an opportunity to kind of come together and work for the benefit of all of us not just our own special
interest you know the the we over me okay go to miss Barnaby had raised her hand first no no no what I was saying is I'm I'm listening and I'm waiting for a motion to because depending on what the motion is is going
to depend on what my comments are so do you want to make a comment before the motion M Coachman well my comment could be part of the discussion so um I'll make the motion there okay so your motion is to
transmit the text Amendment comprehensive plan to the state it's an approval is it 4035 there a motion to recommend either to approve of ordinance 4035 B you just say 4035 yeah 4035 and Mr
Mayor just to be clear that it won't be approved today okay I mean that it will come back and it will be heard again to if it is transmitted it will come back you'll have all three applications right in front that's pushing this forward correct there it is okay I have
it um motion to either approve and transmit to the state motion to approve to transmit it to the state for review or deny ordinance for I mean to review ordinance 4035 so we have a motion is
there second second okay discussion Miss Coachman did you want to go first I I just basically wanted to say you know I I've said this in meetings before I get really excited
when I hear from the public both sides I I it just makes it easier or harder for us to make decisions but right now some of the things that you brought forward it's not before us really right now and
that's kind of down the road road so just hang in there stay tuned don't don't don't stop now with your your involvement and it I I'm with um a councilwoman Coker I hope I hope that
this can be something that the uh that Westminister and the residents that live around it can get together and talk about uh hopefully a win-win but who knows that's down the road Mrs Barnaby oh
okay well first of all I would like to thank everyone for being here today and for sticking with us um when when we discuss setting up our CRA meetings and trying to do them following uh what we thought would be
following a city council meeting 98% of the time that's exactly what happens today was just a very um long agenda with a lot of individuals that we needed to hear from and I do appreciate you understanding that we try to follow not
only the rule of law but we try to follow the intent of the law and that uh if we say we have a Time certain meeting we have a Time certain meeting and I I do appreciate everyone um participating and understanding that I I want to thank
everyone for the courtesy that was shown this Council for the courtesy that was shown your neighbors I can remember a time where I thought we were going to have to I made the comment that by the way certain individuals were
acting in our meetings I would remind them when they came in that door it did not say welcome to the Jerry Springer Show because we have had challenges with
individuals that I I my interpretation is they don't respect themselves so they can't show respect to anybody else when I think of what we're being asked to do here um some of you know this some of you don't know this um I find it interesting
when people come up and they say well I moved here eight years ago and I moved here 10 years ago um I'm lucky enough to have been born here so as my mother and father so were both of my grandmothers um and my great GM I mean
they came down after what one grandmother called the woa between the states and the other great grandmother called it the late great unpleasantness because ladies were not supposed to speak of War because that was considered crude and
inappropriate um I I've I've been on all the Westminster properties I've either been there when I was a child and Mrs Alexander's dance class would take us there to perform for the residents um I have had the opportunity
to ask to be able to be there to per actually perform uh and sing in different either ensembles or as a soloist at different things at every Westminster property so I'm very familiar with the properties but I'm also very familiar
with the neighborhood um Mr Rossy who started Tropicana lived at the point on Point Pleasant and there have been many individuals that have provided
ideas employment Investments over the years that made Point Pleasant their home so I just want to say to anyone that thinks that I had to laugh the gentleman that said you know when you're going through your machinations up
here that's exactly what we do it is not an easy decision it is not something that I don't I don't believe anybody up here takes any action that we that we choose to do capriciously or frivolously without a
great deal of thought and concern I think every single one of us up here realize the gravity of what we do and it doesn't make it easy sometimes I can remember when I worked
at the girls club which was located on 15th kitty corner of the Carnegie Library and uh I was raised by a single mom my father wasn't in the picture much and thanks to miss Coachman she would give me a ride to the Girls Club so I could
get to uh to work on time I think her parents loved her more than my parents loved me so I I say all that to to say this my grandmother taught me the only thing that likes change is a wet
baby and it's true change can be scary change can be hard but if if you don't change at certain points in time you die you just give up The Ghost and die
it's important to be flexible it's important to look at these things it's important to have everyone's input and maybe maybe I shouldn't say this however I can remember where all the condos are when some of those were historic Sea
Captain's houses and they were torn down to give you all the opportunity to live there so again I just want to say how much I appreciate everyone coming today
being flexible rolling with the punches because of all of the different things that we had to get done today um and I I echo my other council members up here by saying stay involved in the community stay
involved please come to our meetings sometimes you may feel that we're not listening to you that's not the case sometimes we are bound by certain laws and rules from the state up here when we have to make the decisions that we
make if I got to wave a magic wand it might be done differently but I don't have that magic wand thank you Miss Barnaby anything other discussions Mr
Kramer thank you sir and thank you to everybody who's here today thank you many of you wrote emails or sent letters uh thank you for the time that it took you to do that and for being here today it a long day
um we heard from a lot of people but specifically we heard from what I would refer to as three experts one is Mr Mike Carter sitting in the front row there another is Mr Carl Callahan who I believe is left are you still there oh you moved
you moved you were in the vum and another is uh somebody who's become sort of a resident historian uh for the Point Pleasant neighborhood and that's Mrs Donas um the topic in front of us today is Coastal High Hazard uh we have heard
what you've your Arguments for and against everything I live in the neighborhood I live on a property that was not what it is is is now Town Homes it was not Town Homes 30 years ago when I started as a police
officer um it was a neighborhood that I drove through and thought gosh I really wish I could live here one day after having met Mrs Rossy by my training officer um uh when I worked midnight shift and drove through there I thought it was the
neighborhood of feral cats that's there were a lot back then um but my wife and I are very fortunate to live in the neighborhood we're fortunate to have passionate neighbors uh and friends there um but the coastal High Hazard
issue in front of us today is not just for our neighborhood in point Pon it's for the entire city and we need to think about that as a council and for you all too I know uh Mrs barnabie does enjoy using
the phrase about the change for a baby but uh it does really apply Citywide in this situation um so that's where that's what we have to weigh this upon not just our neighborhood because then just to
say this there are two other ordinances that will require change to our neighborhood specifically not necessarily just this one so I will uh deserve comment on those for a future
date thank you um and and as the chairman or the the president of this Council as mayor going through um when I first started just before I became mayor I was on the city council watching how
things were done and after law suits about the timing of how the meeting was going to be run I decided when I became mayor that we were going to run a tight ship and the three minutes is the three minutes because it was coming up where
in the previous administration if they let somebody go over if they let somebody have an extra 30 seconds that potentially was going to be sued when we went to court on that and I was sitting in the courthouse and they tried to say that I was allowing one other person to
have more time than another person because maybe of their gender or their color I could truly say I have stuck to the three minutes you know so sometimes it does seem harsh but when I'm sitting in a courthouse and the judge is asking
me questions I'm gonna say and I know because everything's on TV that show me where I didn't and so unfortunately that does seem harsh at times but I felt that it's something that I needed to set a policy and when we watch any government
on TV anymore there's so much theatrics and maybe I'm doing it a little bit now but it's about consistency it's about respect and today I appreciate what everybody has done and what everybody up
here has said because as we've talked many times we can disagree but when it comes down to when we walk out I still want to be your friend walking on the street you may not want to go to dinner with me but you at least aren't going to try to run me over so um you know that's that's what we're
trying to do here and and again we're GNA have disagreements on times but we still care about Bradenton and we care about our community so thank you and with that I'll start the vote in Ward one yes two yes three yes four yes five yes
carries five to zero thank you and thank you you um we still have more meeting to go that will not discuss on this so if you want to take a second to leave um that's okay and we'll just give them a minute to get out Mr Mayor Mr Mayor Jean can we take a
five minute bathroom break yeah the city council we're going to take a fem minute recess really was that you said I think Robin is up first Miss singer all right we'll come
back from Recess at 3:42 Miss singer good afternoon uh Robin singer planning committee development director um today uh we're bringing back to you uh Amendment to the prominade at Riverwalk PDP and my assertion on
whether or not I can approve this administratively um back in December um you all saw plans for um amendments to the PDP that would include residential uh development all the way
down to the ground floor and would include live work units on the front of the building facing Third Avenue um in and which is a little different from what was approved in 2022 which included parking on the ground level um this roadway that
transected it and then there was some retail Frontage um facing Third Avenue um the way it usually works if you're going to do in a minor amendment to a PDP it's like if you're under the umbrella of what the PDP approved like in other words less than or equal to um
usually you can do that with an administrative approval and I don't have a problem with doing that um here's the actual parameters which may trigger a major Amendment um and I don't feel that we are triggering a major Amendment with what we have seen so far now we don't
have a fully dimensioned plan yet uh we saw the same thing that you saw back in December um and it does include some changes um to the permitted useless and I think some of the things that were discussed in December had to do with the retail Frontage um and they are talking
about as I said um more in terms of Li work units the square footage they're providing um we haven't had the opportunity um to verify yet we will do that as part of our review process but it does they are indicating an actual increase in the amount of commercial
square footage um for for some of those live work units um and so they provided some renderings to show what it may look like that there could be some sidewalk and Plaza Frontage uh facing Third Avenue uh which would give you a similar
appeal to what you would have with retail Frontage it is our understanding that they while their intent is to provide these live work units so you could have office personal service um or retail um in these spaces um they may also wish once they've leased out the
building uh want to lease it to somebody who just wants to use it for residential and doesn't necessarily want so we so they're not proposing that they would be obligated to provide liveed work or that there would be retail um in these spaces and they want that option I believe as
part of this um but again I feel that I can approve it administratively under the code and I'm willing to do that but I do feel that this is a little bit different because the city owns the land and there may be some perception of incentives uh in in uh transferring this
land to somebody to develop and and what kind of incentives were you envisioning and does this meet in your opinion uh the ability to for me to approve this administratively questions I have yeah
yes so you're did I understand so you're going to have more mixed use it sounds like with the with the new plan than what was required originally these are the numbers that that we have received so in the 2022
they were they had taken it down from the original um of over 10,000 square ft down to 5600 square feet and now they're proposing proposing that it would be 6244 I don't know that that is entirely um retail or commercial square footage
within those Li work units because I don't have I don't yet have a dimension plan um to confirm that but that is what they're telling us that that it would be uh over 6,000 square fet of commercial retail Frontage which as I said could be
office could be personal service it's not restricted to retail so are you asking for a vote today or just kind of a head that you feel that you have the ability yes to approve it administratively yes so it was just if we had any questions today
yes that we would move forward with what we talked about in December and go into that next step and going through things yes so go ahead uh when when you so originally they were at 13 for you know
almost 14 square feet of retail and now it's gone down to 6200 or that was already approved down to 5600 or yeah in 2022 it was approved to uh 5600 and that was entirely on that
ground floor south of that little interior Road um facing Third Avenue all right any other questions I do yes ma'am go ahead um this is the project that when we talked about it in December I believe that if
my memory is correct that councilwoman Coker felt strongly that we should not be giving up the mixed use component of the project is this the same project am I confusing my projects I think so yeah um I agree with that sentiment I think
if we want it especially since we own the land we should ask for it so like the next question is yeah and I don't think I think that's a a misnomer statement we own the land we don't own the land it's on a long-term lease so we don't own it so and one and I'll go back
to what I said in that meeting is that every you again I want retail more than than anybody and I talk about it all the time but look at the retail that we paid millions of dollars for in two buildings through our CRA that are getting ready
to open and they can't find anybody to rent it so are we willing to pay more money to force somebody to put retail in that's not working and when it comes time you know again hopefully one day it's going to work but at whose expense
and that's the problem and I think go go ahead and then um I think the the applicant would like to say something too you're not losing it entirely no no and they're but they're also given an option where if they can bring it back they can bring it back yeah yeah yeah so
my only go go ahead yes my only concern with I mean I agree with you I know that there might not be a crushing need for it right now but as we as we build the residential I think it's just because we're this built environment I would rather see us plan ahead for that even if there's an expense to it because the
alternative is that we have a ton of people that live here and there's no place for the office for the thing and they keep leaving to go find the right the proximity that everyone really wants pleas state your name for good afternoon Ron Allen uh representing Hatfield
development who's the developer of this property um I just I just want to go through a couple things to put it in perspective when you look about the re when you talk about the reduction in square footage um the original number you're looking at the 14,000 or whatever
was in 2012 um as you know with most developers if you can accomplish something that will be successful for the project you'll do it 2012 went by an that was
the first Development Group a second Development Group came in which was Catalyst in 2122 and got approval with the reduction to 5600 then Bob Hatfield and Hatfield
development came in and now is asking to increase that from 5600 to 6500 to your point we agree 100% that's why we're offering the live work opportunity because it sort of is the best of all worlds if there's a retail
user we have a retail space if it's a user that is the live work uh we have that space if it isn't um we have a living space upstairs that the downstairs then continues to be
available for whatever that use is in in the commercial or retail realm nothing would make me happier to put 100,000 square fet of retail in our downtown because it would be so successful if we could get there we're just not there yet
and so to ask and we went back and look at some of the records of the Catalyst proposals and one of the things Catalyst said to you all when they were doing their proposal at 5600 is they're accounting for no revenue from that
retail space they're trying to give you retail space because that's what the city is looking for but they they said in the hearings we're not going to use any dollar of Revenue in our proforma because we're not comfortable we can get there so the last thing that we want to
do is end up with a product that is empty and that's what I think the the mayor was referring to and the spaces that are along Main Street in the garage they're wonderful spaces they're great spaces but the retail hasn't caught on
yet so we don't want to be in that position the city's in a better position of being able to carry U real estate product for a period of time not this a good idea but you're in a much better shape than a private developer is well we wouldn't have retail in our city
garage if we didn't discount it that's we had our we we paid to build it and we had to discount it and we know what's happening with it now so we you know so we have the art center on one side we have the Performing Art Center on the other side we're building a new building or I should say the Performing Arts
Center is going to build a new Conservancy we've we're in Janine and her group are in in contact with a coffee shop as we discussed in December um we have these live work units that that actually uh for form based code
it's considered mixed use for live work so we're meeting the code and what we're saying is this gives us the ultimate flexibility of being able to be successful on the Main Street or on Third Avenue uh um side of the equation
and what we're asking for is for you to understand that position that we're in as a developer uh in today's Times um and going administrative allows us then to move through the process faster so we can begin construction which which will
bring more heads and beds to downtown which then makes the retail for the rest of the city more viable it's sort of a a double-edged sword or or the the the you know the Chicken and the Egg kind of situation and that's where we sort of
are today so what we're hoping for is that you will agree um as as planning director um singer said is there is a um um that she's comfortable in with her group doing this administ atively if we
are over or we can get over the discussion of this commercial retail side of the equation but again we are going to offer more square footage not by much but more square footage than what the council approved in in
2022 other questions any other questions all right thank you thank you so um a vote isn't necessary a consensus wouldn't hurt so just so I know I'm going in the right direction just no
mayor Mr I appreciate Robin bringing us to council we had conversations and the vote isn't necessary but um I think it's it wouldn't hurt that's up to the proga of the council for sure but uh we wanted to let you be aware of it um you know we don't like to get out in front of our skis on
things like this and Robins particular ularly sensitive when it involves land use and things that are near near to the heart of council such as retail development attorney Rudell yeah I I don't think a vote is necessary in fact I wouldn't recommend one because at the end of the day under
the code this is Robin's this is Miss singer's decision so as the planning director um I think she just wanted to make sure there was a comfort level at the at the council before she all right it's been a long day thank you very
much Mr Perry thank you mayor e it us can I make it are you serious you're done you're adjourned no no we're going to next next next next topic so I okay no more comments on that
no more comments on that Council reports you say any Council report council members can always get with the planning director and share their thoughts okay thank you I thought we were done we were advised by a
council she had a consensus oh thanks everyone you're ready proceed all proceed Mr I know it's getting late and we've got 20 minutes let's see we have 20 minutes well under item new business
item number nine uh B I wanted to give a quick briefing on St storm operations assessment budget status and ultimately the revised Emergency Operations pay policy microphone I thank you thank you so I've
handed out u a PowerPoint that I've prepared and I'm going to try to go through this somewhat quickly but it's important basically to be mindful about you know what is Emergency Management that happened during the storm season and we have to start with the three
priorities do we have to protect life property and environment we do that through four phases of Emergency Management in accordance with national Incident Management System and incident command which is basically preparing and that involves the the training itself
which is yearround um annual IC Nims certifications that we receive and I'm going to put this on Elmo this is an example of I think we're good to go with that some of the certifications those are mine most of us
have the same ones and you can see that these types of programs are the certifications that are required to keep up with um the incident command the the Nim system and the best practices in Emergency Management um we also use
training for web EOC web EOC which is a real-time coordination um platform technology platform and before the storms you know well in advance Fire Department Police Department our Emergency Management uh section puts together emergency action plans for
storm response we look at things like slash models as far as flood areas and know where the low-lying areas are know where the more vulnerable areas are for storm surge and the like and so what we're going to talk about is that the city uses an OnDemand system basically
to to do all these things in in preparation in protection and mitigation which again is lives property environment and infrastructure from potential disasters we use all types of Technology platforms um for different things that we do throughout the storm
and ultimately we go to the response itself because those are the four phases preparation protection mitigation response that is done and I'll go to the next page with the help of the police department brington PD uh Bradington
fire department other folks and the like and then we go to recovery and and and particularly in trying to get things stabilized uh reopened and and ultimately uh Financial reimbursement and we can go through that on the next
page which is going to be the 2024 storm events and the challenges so tropical storm Debbie of course in August of of 24 U was 100 miles offshore but it had catastrophic record rainfall that significantly B about extended rainfall
throughout August and it added to a lot of different things we had to do and damage to City infrastructure and and other types of Emergency Operations that were related to that rainfall um followed about a month later by Hurricane Helen uh which was Heavy
flooding power outages um 7 through n foot storm surge into certain parts of the the manate river and manate County itself uh structural damage significantly caused millions in direct emergency response cost and Community loss and nine days later hurricane
Milton hit which was the strongest Windfield in velocity storms in about 50 years uh with major infrastructure damage overtime costs due to that sustained impact on Emergency Operations and so um you know when we do our
operations we use different types of technologies that I pointed out um to to address some of those functions and so with this on demand Staffing model as highlighted on the bottom of that page we have uh instead of full-time
emergency staff that I'll show you how some places use that and the budgets are associated with it we use emergency pay we have What's called the Blue Sky and gray sky days you typically will do your regular job and then you have to do your gray sky jobs in both preparation and
protection and response and Recovery um you know it's kind of interesting to see what's done and mayor's had the benefit of of going through these things I know that uh commissioner counselor Kramer has as well in the past but it's a very integrated system and and we
have to document all conditions prior to the storm for FEMA and so we send the drones out and other inspection teams and try to get records and things like that in advance we batten down the hatches by cleaning storm drains by uh
securing equipment and there's this whole preparation and if you think about it generally in preparation for a storm that's going to happen um probably about 3 to 5 days out and there's emergency declaration and and then you know 3 to 5
days we're we're beginning the preparations for the storm we what's called in a level B modified response where we're doing it during the day during our business day we're doing it after hours as well we are trying to get emergency water sandbags things like that as the storm gets closer ultimately
we go into an active response typically that's going to be a 247 and and hopefully an A and B ship where we work 12-hour shifts but we really don't have that luxury in large part and that's going to be uh typically 1 to two uh days out uh during during the response
itself and then the recovery phase these storms were very unique I mean it was interesting here I could take a day off after the storm because after the storm I was probably busier than than even before the storm uh the effects of the storm a significant and so those that's
a continuous operation uh that has to be dealt with in storms like this and when you look at the next page about who is managing and and and who does what during emergency response in Bradington servicing in the citizens of Bradington Amity County you'll see that you know be
before be be before 2021 from what I understand we were pretty reliant on the county and we would have people over at the EOC we had the fire department Manning what is called the I think it's called the fourth uh 4 910 desk which is
if you look at the next chart firefighting dpd Bradon fire department Mutual Aid agreements for rapid response um uh under under nine the search and rescue functions that were done um and then Mutual AIDS and search and rescue I want to talk about that fire did a
really good job particularly I think it was Helen when with the water um issue it could have been Debby but we had to basically help Sarasota with a high water vehicle conduct all types of emergency see evacuations of people that were in flood areas Mutual Aid
pre-arranged and then ultimately support and operations to to engage in the rescue um and then then you have Hazmat which is 10 what is the PD do they're going to hit some of those functions like uh that that are going to be in here
regarding specifically I think it's going to be 13 is Public Safety and Security Law Enforcement Mutual Aid emergency security operations and they do some other things that are pretty important too but it it's coordinating all these folks that that are in this
incident command system but it has to be coordinated so we do that now at the the the pck this the public safety Operation Center our city EOC and when you look at these folks that do it from a city perspective nonpublic safety you have
The Incident Commander that I basically perform that function and I the emergency response efforts the communications efforts for the mayor and this mayor does a really good job with that and our communication St staff for the outward Communications and I hope this time that you guys had a lot of
good Communications telling you what was going on with the storm and and so that's a big big part of IC incident command system but then as you move down in the operations piece of that then you basically got to run things and so you have to oversee field operations and
resource allocation those are those emergency support functions that are highlighted on that next page with ESF 1 through through 15 and we have to basically integrate it with our Public Safety a agencies as well as Public Works um one of the the the programs I
have which is which is Public Works in inant in command points out that Public Works arguably might be one of one of the most important things uh you know depending on where you're at in in the process of Emergency Management but we have planning and techn and Lance does
most of the operations team and he oversees the field operations and resource allocations if you see saw the stuff we had to do at the at the pck during these storms um we had we had computer platforms we had whiteboards and everything in between to try to
juggle all types of different things that were occurring and and Mission requests from the state um we had to put in um request for Hygiene centers we got hygiene centers then we had to pull the hygiene centers out we had to demob them it's called and
then we had to put them back in the hygiene centers because that's part obviously of recovery and preparation for human subsistence showers bathrooms laundries in low-lying flooded areas that we knew would flood from the swash maps we got we we we received
information from those folks we inspected and it was rough for them but um you know the pre the pre-emergency stuff the the the water the sandbags um then then the clearing and the blocking of of streets right after a storm we went out I went out with PD
about 3:35 and the winds had just come under 40 at that point and if you went down manatea Avenue you were absolutely amazed at how much stuff was knocked over whether it was live power lines trees fences and I mean big trees and
when we came back from the Far East Side do was already out there with huge huge claw trucks taking trees the the size literally of this from that point to that point out of the middle of the street that was blocked that the public
and no one else ever saw but at 3:45 in the morning that's what was going on um all kinds of different things are happening so I think you all know the Dynamics of of of those uncertainty and the high demands of that whether it's
setting up the free fuel station over at Tropicana because there's no gas to be had when there's a storm like this they were wrapping and copying the pumps that I saw around town and they're really not coming back on for a couple of days so we did the free fuel we got a
mission request in got some tankers there I think they were 80 gallon tankers that we bought in two of them that we I think we had diesel at one point as well but we did that program uh business insurance uh the the business continuity Center that we did with the with the chamber The Insurance Center
that we did here all kinds of different things going going on before during and after and I think quite honestly that we did pretty good because that's what a lot of community people in the community told us uh councelor Barnaby and I were
at Ironwood yesterday and someone spoke out and he said you know I know we're here for something else but I want to tell you how much we appreciate what you did and and the important thing is we as a collective we isn't me we isn't you we isn't anybody one person it is a
collective but the collective has to be managed in a team approach because there's so many different parts to it and when you look at like what our overtime budget was we were just talking with Hagerty um and we're doing a really good job on
reimbursement um but we we received back all right we still haven't received reimbursement for debris pickup from Ian and Adelia because we're part of frock which is is which is the Florida
Recovery um system we have expedite at work where we received back we estimated that our debris removal would be about five five plus million um it's going to be a lot more than that it's probably going to be closer to seven but that estimate is what they go off of we
received a check last week for 2.6 million we've never received money that quick that's called category a debris removal which is a big thing obviously in storms now we're moving on to category B but I wanted to tell you about category B which is protective measures and it's not it's kind of a
misnomer because you think um protective measures uh it's just to protect things but it's to protect things after the storm too um from getting worse things like the 400 signs street signs that were knocked down that said stop yield
to Children things like that when I drove around the hours after the storm the days after the storm there were no street signs most of them got knocked down so what do we do the mar I called LK said try to get us a contractor because we didn't know we didn't have that pre-arranged and we able to get a Contractor on board quickly to get out
there and start putting up temporary signs so that at least people weren't crashing into each other at Major intersections 400 signs we just got a bill for that little undertaking it was $260,000 um uh Heather was uh amber guy was
telling me that the public works alone this isn't police department or fire department overtime was 177,000 hours of overtime 177,000 hours now the good news is the category B that that is a protective
measure is also an expedited project and has a rapid payment we want to try to get that back you know as as quickly as possible but everything being said I think our Emergency Management uh Bureau did a really good job in using the
various features of of it you think about features we have this one thing fusus which is actually a police department platform but we can put overlays on a platform and every time a list station goes out we put list Station 14 17th Avenue is out every time
the water plant loses power because the FPL line goes down and we got a problem because our generator won't start and we have to do a mission request saying can you get us a 8 850k generator big big type generator we put that up there Webb EOC Tamar's job basically is an
operations manager of the EOC and as such she handles a lot of the uh web EOC all of this has to be documented there's minutes for every meeting we do we have a meeting basically at 7: to 8: a.m. and then usually one at 8:00 pm with the
county um there's a weather report before that and ultimately thereafter we do one with our total emergency management team including police and fire Mindy does Doc records on all of that stuff I've got books of everything that was discussed of everything I did
of mostly everything they did to document it to make sure that we were showing to FEMA that we were following Nims that this is what was going on during the time and and and Corey is the documentation
specialist um Karen Lany on the it very critical to keep those systems up we have starlink so when the systems go down at least we have ability to get the internet through the satellite basically and we use all this technology again particularly that fusus is is really
good and and the Radio Networks and the like that wasn't here four years ago and the the interesting thing is that when these storms happen or after they happen I I always hear and I always had heard is that they need to help us
you'd hear you know they should have done this they should have done that we didn't didn't hear it this time we didn't hear too much of that obviously there was catastrophic loss to private property there's no doubt and heart felt issues regarding that but when they say
they need to help us they are us we have to help ourselves and that's what we did with this Emergency Management program um I want to show you just in closing what cap corl does another municipality not a county a municipality
so this is the cap Coral 2025 budget and I've reviewed surrounding areas budgets these guys have their own Emergency Management Center just like we do as the city and their budget is$ 1.9 million but 20125 is actually $1.7
million as a rounded number they have about seven or eight people you know who we have us because it's a on demand system what's the benefit of that you only pay for it if you need it we are cross trained to do as good a job hopefully
that that the permanent full-time Emergency Management function does now there's different models um manate County does have a staff I think there's eight on the staff in the 24 budget and that budget for for just p uh I don't
know how that got out there for eight people but I think it's two 576 and the adopted is a million do they have a public safety officer uh Matt Myers is the emergency uh management director there's two deputies and I think there's about six other
people uh roughly and of course that is the County EOC um we run our own city of Venice interesting here they have the fire model where some people do it this is Northport what's interesting about Northport is they're building an EOC so
so this is their CIP detail sheet and and their detail sheet shows that they're basically allocating $1.2 million to be build an EOC that's smaller than ours that's the city of Northport that's the city they expect to
be 250,000 residents by 2030 much larger you're right and same size as us right now because of their growth over the years yeah I thought that was telling though that more local governments are getting into control of their own their
own you know engagement in this and the like and and you can just go on there there are other ones that this this is emergency management some of them have again through the fire department but they have a dedicated emergency manager position through the fire department and Chief and I have talked about this and and also a deputy and some other folks
and so I went around and checked now I think we did a pretty good job we still got a lot to do particularly on the reimbursement Amber guy did tell me that they're working on the cat B stuff and we're hopeful to get reimbursed
the debris removal was 100% reimbursement and Mar and I had talked with some of the folks about that early we were pretty pleased to hear that if we got it done by a certain time that we would get 100% And so I think we hit that Milestone and and and hats off to everybody that was involved in that I
know Lance spent a lot of time on the phone but our guys did and ladies did too um so Amber told me that we have working we're closing out on on the debris the cat a stuff we're moving on to cat B um and they've already started work uh David Lindsay who we bought into
public works for a variety of different kind of uh Grant and spending and contract fiscal responsibilities he's doing a great job with Rebecca Dash with Corey on the recovery on the financial recovery side the reimbursement side but we have 47
Public Works permanent work projects under the public assistance that we still have to be reimbursed for um and and that's going to be street signs traffic signals list stations finish water we had a when we
went on the interconnects at 3:30 in the morning because our salt content was so bad um because of the breach uh and brackish water we went on the Count's interconnects I think we did 11 or 12 different interconnects well it wasn't free it was great that they helped us and the system worked well and kudos to
our people that turn those vows I was out there just uh enamored with watching them work I think you were out there too it was awesome to watch them our guys in the county guys were guys Philip being one of them yeah Phil Philip Campbell and Philip Campbell and olly just received an award last week the from the
Chamber of Commerce chair and was recognized with other folks that were like unsung heroes from it so we got our recognition our people you know got their recognition and there's a cost of doing that and part of it is the the the cost obviously of the pay policy and so
I want to go to that because I do have a resolution and the hour stop you for one minute yes sir Mr yes sir um and when I became mayor and watching what we had and what we went through
some of the storms over the years and then getting more active in the EOC and I want to ask Chief gear do you think that we had a better system through these two
storms because we didn't it wasn't open yet by the time we got Debbie but Helen and mil two catastrophic storms that people are still living with today problems within eight or nine days of each other would we have had the service and the quality
if we were you and I were the only two in the EOC with maybe one police officer and getting everything that I always heard is nobody be in this room nobody be in this room except for who has to be because what we got done in two
months for clean up took us nine or 10 months for a tenth of the storm years ago right and I I think one thing you you know you hit on is that we hit we hit a lot of areas that we've never hit before or it's been a lot of years you know and one we brought in IMT teams to
assists you know we had the uh the recovery that we haven't seen uh in probably in my career um so this is going back you know many years and same with you but you know before I you know I'd say that we were somewhat fragmented
really fragmented here in the city and that we depended heavily on the county and then you know in the recent storms you see with this uh pck and just working together better as a team and the training we've had is that we're able to coordinate a lot better and do a
lot more on I I'll say on our own with County support and you know it's vital because you know I've always said nobody cares for the city like the city and you know and that just holds true here you know so we're able to work um fill
Mission numbers follow up on that and really let the county do their thing while we were we were operating more uh independent or in in in uh in you know you know right along with them so um you know as far as response and
Recovery this is the best we've ever done well and and and when you say that you know obviously the other storms were even a lot lesser um Dam damage lesser severity what I'm looking for so that was why one of the reasons that I thought the pck
was so important for us now I never thought we would utilize it as quickly as we had to and obviously anything you do there's a cost to and when there's a cost to something it gets micromanaged maybe a little bit more if there's
something that was done incorrectly we need to fix it if there's something that was done inappropriately we need to fix it and but I could not be prouder of our community and I say our community the
city of Bradington of how we got things done the incident command team that came in and to the is the right word I'm looking for here to The Not So happiness of our EOC director in the
county we were getting things done and but it was fighting for our city right and it was making the phone call to Cody in the governor's office at 3:30 in the morning and him answering and then going talking to the governor
and saying well wait a minute Mayor Brown Governor Dan santis is right here and our staff telling us that we cannot our staff our Engineers telling us we can't turn those valves to get that 2 million gallons a day from the
county of freshwater that's going going to help lessen the severity of our saltwater because we don't have D approval and so well what do you get how do you get D approval well you have to
send an email to somebody that will go to Orlando that then may get to somebody at 3 o'clock in the morning Cody says Governor DeSantis mayor Brown's on the phone they need D approval wait a minute the director of the state D is right here and he get on
the phone says what do you need we tell him what we need he says send me an email but go ahead and do it now and if you were sitting in the EOC that wouldn't have happened so you know I know we're going
through them things and we've got to everybody's got to do things correctly and be held accountable if there's something that we didn't do right but those are the things that kept the water flowing to our citizens and to me
we care about everybody in Manatee County Manatee County cares about everybody in Manatee County but when it comes to the point we care about our 14.4 square miles and that's what I'm saying so you know I just think that and and it took nine months Mrs
Barnaby um to pick up at a storm one time that we were going out and others helped but how often were we out it's still nine months later picking up yard debris this time it's not there it was done in two months other than some one-offs but it was because we had
a management system working for the city of Bradenton and the county did a great job helping us but you know and we helped the beaches and we helped others so I'm not going to apologize for for
doing things that we you know learned from and may not repeat again miss bar thank you Mr Mayor I did operate under the old system where everything came down from Mount Olympus
the county um this is so much better we are able to get quick responses we're able to get information out to people and I I mean it's a it's a
difference between night and day it it is I I like I said I I've been sitting in in the EOC in the past and you're just kind of watching everything go around and and and then something happens and the county goes to take care
of you know their bread and butter and of course they would help us if we ask but forgive me we weren't at the top of the list yes B Miss Coachman there's no doubt having the
pck there's no doubt having the pck and having everyone all in one place coordinating things but I had to notice though one of the cities had the fire chief at the very top not the mayor no I'm just kidding but for that emergency
reason well and and even in the past in the old Emergency Management plan it had the fire chief as the as the IC I I guess you could say um but you know with uh this new model it more or less you know we're adopting that Emergency Management um profile if you will and
and and really working together more you know to where you know Mr Perry or the mayor could assume that incident command role and then the rest of us are are performing our individual uh functions and uh you know and that's that's something yall have taken the training
and you under understand well whether it be you know oper ation planning Logistics Finance section you know and and like he's saying in our setup is that sometimes you got to wear multiple hats and and we all get it done you know one way or another and uh uh but we
still you know maintain a presence over at the county you know in our functions at the ESF desk and we work with them and then you know and now we you know we operate uh alongside them and and more independently probably for the city but you know any resource we need we still
go through the County you know make that request uh but um we're able to operate a little more uh efficiently having those teams come in and and working with the state resources well and I think I want just to Mrs Coachman's point I think a lot of cities do it because they
think they're fired you know smaller cities the fire chief is kind of that Emergency Management part of it that's what they do that's what they do but do what we need right but those smaller cities that with the way we've grown now and and again I think when you
really look at our Coastal waterways we saw how we got hit with that with the six feet plus surge with the rain of before and then all of a sudden so we have one of those storms in a year I don't know that we understand even what
we're talking about today but you have three in a three-month period crazy and I will still say to this day the proudest moment in this city and in this county is nobody lost their life absolutely
because you look at North Carolina there's still 30 plus people they can't find and I'm not comparing us to North Carolina but we and I'm including the county did a great job at saving people
when the floods were there and scaring the hell out of them when Milton was coming because because after alen people got the got scared and you go from 800 in shelters to what 13,000
or 20,000 whatever it was it was in the thousands that people went to the shelters because they got scared they got scared and you know we got lazy and that's what it was about for me and you know I may because you know it's a it's
a heavy burden to be thinking okay am I going to have to be standing up and saying there's 80 people missing and that's where the fire department goes out and does it that's where the police department goes out and does it in conjunction where then all of a sudden but people are want to going to want to drink their water tomorrow they're going to want to flush their
toilets they not want to crash into each other because there's no stop no stop sign so I think traditionally it's a really good point that that fire did take it because they have that kind of emergency management experience but when you look at the 19 different div divisions of Public Works and the need to integrate as the chief said with the
functions and expertise of the fire department along with the functions and the expertise of the police department who did a great job too um it it works best when there's an integrated uh an integrated model and frankly I don't know too many police Chiefs or fire chiefs that know a lot about public
works and I I know more than I ever wanted to know frankly about public works I also think that that I like what you said a minute ago I never thought of it this way but we pay for it when we need it where man county is paying for it year r but they have year round programs too so
it's not a bad thing and you have to have that but for us we don't want to have three people on staff 247 and then you know they'd be doing stuff but but we pay for it when we need it so yeah that's a good thing and then
ultimately on that too um we do do training year round and and we do it we go to the County EOC we go for the web EOC training we've gone over there Scott uh that's on your daily that's on our daily deal yeah that's not you're not being paid extra for that no no you're doing that that's just keeping up our
that's just part of our training and doing that right right um yeah so that's kind of interesting you know just a couple of factoids I had Kim clayback get with Joel to run uh uh GIS plat plot to see how many miles of Coastline the
city of Bradington has any takers on guesses I used to know this 44 miles really of Coastline city of Bron yeah city of Bron isn't that because goes in and out and you know all over and everything canals yeah which is a lot
for Water Events um I want to kind of close it up because the purpose is to talk about the the emergency pay program and I include it in a package basically you obviously all have the revised pay policy the revised pay policy does a couple it really there's a history to
the pay policy and this this proposal today is kind of I don't want to say the Final Chapter but the latest to try to fix some things uh that I think might be a little bit more I don't know Equitable I guess um and appropriate and what
happened was that we didn't really have a good pay policy in 23 if you look at it the 23 pay policy that was done um included in there uh it was done in June of course always the last month before the the season and the 24 amendments
were done in July of 24 but the 23 uh pay policy was reviewed and and the the important thing there is that it allowed exempt employees to get time and a half now flsa exempt is any manager in the
police department it's it's sergeants and above unless you have it by contract our lieutenants have a contract but typically its firstline supervisors and below are not flsa exempt once you get into professional technical or or managerial types of
responsibilities your bosses could work you a 100 hours a week and not pay you overtime and so we had a problem with a lot of folks in our department particularly in public works that didn't have a Union contract that were being not being compensated for those extra
hours we still have that problem um for rata and things like that you know we have a lot of employees that work extra time in the management ranks but they don't get they're not eligible over time so we deal with those a little bit separately but that's what prompted us
to riew it and Nilsa told me it's always been an inconsistent application of it we don't have a policy we need to have a policy frck was going into place so we put the policy together the policy allowed all employees on a disaster
Grace Sky work type thing to receive uh time and a half in 2024 and I have the resolution as well as the policy the short version with that is that we were requested by frro uh I should by F uh Florida Department of Emergency
Management to revise our policy some of the major revisions just dealt with spelling out and clarifying people that work out of classifications people that work uh in different in different locations and uh then there was another
provision in there uh for people that uh that uh take a quick look on it uh I think they did different yeah they worked out of classifications they different jobs and like oh meals it it
meals and I think it required that the policy be reviewed annually so we just made those changes in 2024 well this year what happens basically is we have three storms and so there's a lot of overtime and and uh what ended up
happening was that there was a lot of compensation to people including myself and so what we did was try to look at the policy and say how can we kind of refine this a little bit and there's a couple different ways to look at it but
I I guess one of the things that kind of came to mind was the first situation and I included in here the county administrator's contract because his was unclear too and apparently in in Prior storms because this is a retroactive
approval but in Prior storms the County Administrator uh they said well you know you make the most amount of money in the county you shouldn't get overtime and most of the County uh commission said no that's he works a lot and when there's Emery declared he
can't be with his family most of the time and has to make sacrific and the like so they basically amended his contract and it's quite clear and what they did was say you can get straight time for any hours over 40 on a 40h hour week and so we went back to trying to do
that exact same thing um for for any employees that are over $120,000 let me cut you off for just a second yes sir sir are you here for the Westminster yes sir we've we've already voted on that thank you thank you want come have a seat y so
so so we we put that threshold in there and really if you say well why did you use that as a threshold is that arbitrary in capricious and the answer is no not really what we did was we take took number ones and number twos for most Department departments we have about 600
employees people over 120,000 you know how many we have we got about 222 out of the 22 we pull out we pull out four to five who are um bat Chiefs and uh and we're down to 18 and then out of that 18
you pull out people like Jeff G uh Burton that don't really do that kind of work the emergency work and things like that typically I mean there are scenarios where he could don't get me wrong and everything and so now you're down to about 15 if you look in this room you probably got half those
15 what you but you get the point we I think most of us are okay we we'd like to get compensated for that extra work the stress that comes with it the the sacrifice and the like we think it's reasonable it's consistent with the
county and the like but we that's why we drew the threshold there to answer that question and so we're that that's the major change in the policy is that right Corey and I drafted it and I've had a long day too but I think that's the major change in the policy and it has to
be reviewed annually Mr Kramer um question on that who so Cory you drafted it or wrote it or NSA wrote it or who wrote it she she took a stab you want talk a
little bit about it I drafted the changes based on discussions with Mr Perry and also with recommendations from the Florida Department of Emergency Management okay then it was sent to labor Council for review who approved it and okay we
brought it before you today um I Mr hearing I'm guessing yes okay uh is he I know he's labor counsil is he our expert on like fsla or flsa or do we have another yes no we don't have a separate FSA attorney
that's incompass within the scope of his work okay um my concern with the edit that came back to us the proposal um is in re reviewing the FEMA public assistance and policy guide the new one
that just came out in January um it makes reference to reimbursement and I'll if you all gram me a little attit dude when we had our emergency meeting for whatever was going to become Milton and I brought up you mentioned some some
expenditures and salaries that I thought was super high um and it was probably because I didn't realize that the current policy that we' voted on this summer which actually I didn't vote on because I wasn't here um allowed for basically once there's a state of
emergency everybody goes on time and a half pretty much everybody goes on time and a half uh and that was what I like put on my red flag and I was like wait a second and I know that there were some comments amongst all of us and I made mention that like well there's a chance
that if we're not right on that then we don't get reimbursed from FEMA and you made reference to you'd heard that happening at various locations you know and and I believe some comments from Council were well as long as we get reimbursed from FEMA everything's all
right well my concern is that we won't get reimbursed from FEMA based on what the proposal is because it all refers back to our regular policy on pay and our regular policy on pay is that if you work 40 hours you get paid straight time
and anything beyond that is considered overtime so our people that were getting paid the time and a half and if as a council we decide that we just want to go ahead and do that we can do that and then it becomes our policy but if our policy says
that regular work hours have to be up to the 40 and then anything beyond that is subject to extra pay then that's what we would have to do for the Emergency pay you would still have to work your sweat 40 you know sweat 40 um on whatever
whatever schedule you work but once you've worked those 40 hours and anything beyond that would be eligible and I'm concerned that we still have that in there on a variety of there's I give me a second here nonexempt emergency essential
employees exempt emergency essential employees non-exempt emergency essential employees I mean there's a lot of different categories um that my concern is that those are not El like several of those would not be eligible until after those
40 hours have been worked I want people to get paid what they are deservedly getting paid but also so knowing that if it's that emergency situation we're subject to that reimbursement from FEMA and I don't want us to get into that boat of not being able to get reimbursed I can understand because that's not
happening today that we're they're saying oh no that's happening years down the line when they audit it Y and we have to come up with no I I millions of dollars I I understand your concern there however I think clearly that you're only entitled to that premium pay
when there's a declaration and you're doing emergency work and I think that addresses it basically within our policy that's acceptable to FEMA I mean so but I think some of the things when you look at it and you say are we splitting
hairs at things that and I agree with you from the standpoint of the Declaration is there right we we've voted on an emergency but explain to me if I've only worked 30 hours 32 hours is to make it
around about today I'm working basically 24 hours in a row as an employee because that storm's coming we're under the state of emergency in that right but do they get paid for 24 hours if they're in
the EOC but the 32 you know because you're working those hours that's where I think people are getting confused is that you have to work those 40 hours no matter what before you get any extra absolutely
if I'm locked in the if I'm locked in the EOC because the storm's coming so from 5:00 at night till 8 o'clock in the morning I get overtime and then 8 o'clock the next day
from 8 to 5 I get straight you know it's regular pay because that's in my 40 hours and then five o'clock till 8 o'clock the next morning because you're locked in the EOC that's one way to do it the other would be once that state of emergency is declared whatever hours
you're working up to that 40 so if you came on if you'd work 32 hours to that point you came on and worked 16 hours that day your first eight hours would be up to the 40 and you'd be paid straight time and then anything anything beyond
that in the pay period would be no the overtime I don't that's not the way it works once there's a declaration and you're work doing emergency work you are paid time and a half um now this this this all to general service employees this is not for Union that have a
contract for that both the police and the fire Union that would be handled separately and a part but basically the way it works is that once there's a declaration you're you are eligible for time and a half doing emergency work if
that's all you're doing all day yeah oh sorry I I need some clarification on that well but but again we've got to figure this out because I got a lawyer telling me that that's correct and then I got other people that is questioning it I think I saw Jane
first and then pay yeah so if you're a salaried employee so you're being paid the time and now you're telling me they get an additional time and a half so it's by basically two and a half no it's it's it's halftime you get your
regular time plus you get what's called premium pay you do the 40 hours so then it goes to the time and a half once you get over the 40 hours no so then so so you're do you're but you're not getting your normal plus time and a half believe you are no no you're
not you're your salary is being reduced here's the way it works think about it if there's 40 hours you work 40 hours and just hypothetically say your pay is $20 an hour MH on that first the first 40 hours if you're doing emergency work
you get paid $30 an hour so you get a 50% premium up to up to the 40 hours right beyond the 40 hours then you get time and a half because you're working more than 40 hours if you have 60 hours that that week you would get the
additional 20 hours at time and a half but the only pre you get a premium when you're doing the emergency work is that hard time so my argument to that is where do you it's it's the argument I made that day trash
collection has to happen is it emergency trash collection or is it trash collection if they haven't worked their 40 hours doing emergency work it it it's emergency but is it I'm sorry if I if I have a regular rotation of trash pickup that should be a regular work day not a
emergency work day situation if you're doing Norm if you're doing emergency work and you've been assigned to do emergency work an example of that is we have Solid Waste workers that were out on the east side with the claw trucks and loading that up we don't typically
do that that's emergency work fair enough yeah but going out picking up the green cans on Tuesday like normal right they didn't get paid time no you don't get I would argue that they did they did or did I would argue they did I think so okay if they didn't they didn't they
were out in east side every day wer picking up green cans right yeah hackery looked at the Rocks which is kind of interesting too and we had a conversation with Amber about those and filling them out correctly so
they don't get objected to bya on Monday which I have the notes to right here and she said generally we did them pretty well there's some there was a couple there that didn't deal with this but that uh she needed to let us know about but I'm pretty sure that's if you read
the policy emergency work but at the time time of the Declaration sometimes that's 24 hours or 48 hours before the actual emergency and then
that means most of the time four days councilwoman okay four days a lot longer so and emergency work would only pretty much be people who are putting sand in sandbags I mean who who else would if they were just going to pick up the
green cans right like their normal Tuesday route even if it's in that four days they're not getting the time and a half they're just getting straight time I I know they're not getting it but it sounds like that's what they were supposed to get no no it says for emergency
work emergency work included maybe going and sucking out the drains would we wouldn't be sucking out incl we be going out and making sure that our our pump stations are you know over protected with the sandbags doing the sandbag remember can I just another Point
remember too that we have to file what call these frock forms and so on the frock form the first thing you have to put on there is um whe what type of emergency work are you doing are you doing a work debris removal are you
doing B work protective measures are you doing CW work public utilities are you doing D work all this stuff and then it goes to wh more specifics more specifics on on what you
did it'll be like water systems and lift stations repair and and you got it's a drop down menu and you got to check that off it's all the stuff that gets done on emergency work then you got to put the location of when you did it then you've got to put the time you did it and then
you got to check there's a check box is emergency related is what the form says so so yeah I just I'll say one thing and then we'll go to to miss more I understand why we're kind of getting a little bit because we want to make sure this is right and I mean the employees
that did all that hard work that's get paid got paid well they got paid now it's are we going to get reimbursed but okay there's no storm out there lift station SE what's the worst one on 17th Avenue yeah 17 14 14 breaks at two
o'clock in the morning yeah we call our guys to go out Nate Bailey goes out just normal emergency what is Nate getting paid at that point Nate that's an interesting thing nck gets C get paid his base plus he gets call out time call
out time is probably time and a half because he still has to come to the office at 700 and work till till four right so he got his regular day pay now it's nothing to do with emergency nothing to do with emergency now we're in an emergency even though it's nothing to do with the storm it's just normal he's going to get whatever his emergency
pay would be and that's on the city that's just city has to pay that now we're in the middle of a a disaster and Nate worked his eight hours he got paid eight hours of regular pay now he has to go out all night right he's getting the time the emergency pay
for that and that's something we would we wouldn't turn in as eight hours during the day for that we turn in as 17 or but but let me add a scenario to that that gets with the frock form if Nate would typically worked on your system your collection system list stations
pumps um manholes things like that say he went out and just and and and and emergency Declaration was de cleared and he said well I need to check the pumps to make sure they're drawing the right amperage so that if the that wouldn't be
part of his normal day that's not part of his normal day he checks on that frock form uh storm related yep check what did you do uh water features electrical and everything else and so he gets reimb you know we get reimbursed he ultimately gets reimbursed at time and
half because he's doing emergency work pre-storm protective measure but a doing emergency work um first I want to say that I mean what we're what I'm here to talk about is the pay policy because the the the
structure of the program and and the work of the employees is not questioned at all and the gratitude for it is also not questioned at all so I'm going to put that to the side um I mentioned a few meetings ago that I
had concerns because I was here for the adoption of the policy in the summer and then when we were faced with precedented uh storms and whatnot I did not realize in practice what that ultimately meant for the city and to sum up what it
looked like it meant to the city for me was a lot of expenditures that I have no confidence or have no confirmation is going to be 100% reimbursed by FEMA and I also don't know to what extent we've got fsla
issues uh I I would like to see Mr Herring present and bring break this down for me as a matter of what is appropriate what is legal um I think that would be time well spent but let me just say that and now that I have
hopefully you know again expressed the acknowledgement of the hard work and the gratitude for it my objections to adopting a a revised policy today are twofold number one there is the timing of it I do not know that this is a good
time to adopt this policy because we have two outstanding G grievances that are in various stages of of legal action that are potentially related to a policy that was happening at the time of these storms and I don't know without Mr
Herring confirming for me I don't know whether an adoption of a new policy or recision of another policy somehow makes a statement that is relevant to these two legal actions so that's my first like threshold problem with it the second one is I don't know what Nate
makes and I don't know is he an fsla exempt I I I don't know on any of those things and so with the let's just take the timing out of it um with the the suggested revised policy being tied to a
a numerical number of someone's pay I don't know if that takes into account their fsla status whether or not they're entitled to Overtime or bonuses how we have to structure that compensation I don't know whether it's reimbursable to FEMA at what rate you how much percentage those are just
things that I do not know based on just knowing that there are 22 people that make over 120,000 and in addition to that are we going to I know we're going to you're going to have everyone acknowledge the policy annually but are we going to have to because now we have you know some employees getting a 3%
increase some employees you know who knows what will happen that we have to increase this person maybe we're adding duties to this uh person's UH responsibilities and now we're having to reassess what they make and now they're maybe in a different category what makes the most sense to to me is that this is
uh related to a an organizational flowchart there are just some people in this organization that have authority and responsibilities at higher levels than others um I note that this uh example with u Mr Bishop is an actual
amendment to his Employment contract so that's different than a policy he has negotiated his rate of pay with the county and I I'm concerned I mean I shouldn't be concerned but I I note that this retroactive I don't know if that's reimbursable honestly that you can I believe that there's something tied to
reimbursability being the policy in place pre- disaster I don't know that you can actually do that um but that is not within the purview of what I have to deal with right now um and so it would make sense to me that when you have these people in the organization's flowchart of authority
and responsibilities that you recognize what is going to be demanded of them in some circumstance and then you compensate them accordingly and the discretion still Li with Council because did we have an a crazy three storm year
absolutely do we think that I feel like this Council has been very generous we just paid out the overtime or I'm sorry the the unused uh vacation time um I think we want to compensate people but I think we also have to recognize that to your point of running it like a business but it's not a business this is not my
money I do not feel comfortable just you know H being like well you know let's just hope for the best and hope we don't spend a whole bunch I don't have any you know like confirmation is going to be reimbursable so I feel like as stewards of other people's
finances I need some more uh I need some more meat to what we're going to do here is it having is it identifying key roles within the organization and they uh you know make demands like Mr Bishop did for his employment that this is the type of
pay that I think I should I should be due um or should we leave it to council we do employment contracts with high level people I mean I have mine Revisited to be honest with you I'm pretty comfortable I think that that's fair I think that that's fair for you to
ask that um I'm I'm just I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to do the 120 and can I explain why we did that well before you do let me just wrap up because I wanted to make sure that I noted a couple of things
um Council it is my understanding that we have the U we are p with hiring these highest level you know the city administrator the the department um heads um and so it would make sense to
me that we would negotiate their pay and that would include this and if we don't actually you're not but I'll address that in a second okay well if we don't and and maybe that has to be Revisited but if we don't uh if we don't do it that way then I don't want to give the
discretion to another to an employee by by virtue of this policy because I don't think that it is being a good Steward of what I have been tasked to be a steward of um and so I think that we do not need to
delegate that Authority via a policy okay I I get it and and that's why I put 120,000 that's that's the limit if you'd like a model where you take an individual and you say you did a good job you'll get the money you didn't do a good job you won't get premium pay and
as far as whether your confirmation on FEMA the one thing I can tell you is that you'll never get confirmation from FEMA uh amber guy who's worked for FEMA has told us clearly that FEMA does different things on whether you're
within you know an acceptable policy they change the rules and things like that so we have to operate under the best premise we can that's what I'm trying to establish here it seems to me that the term arbitrary and capricious is is is kind of related to the way that
you're suggesting that it be done with the council having the authority to make that after the fact decision um on any sort of compensation for people that do emergency work and where do you draw that line are you going to do um uh
Rosses are you going to do other managers that are flsa exempt and the like because those people basically being if they're not part of our policy and they are they are EX exempt then they're not eligible and so you know
everybody else uses a policy and I guess we can do it any way you all choose to do it but I think uh my advice would be that we adopt a consistent policy and that's all I was trying to do I was trying to put in place a dollar amount
that I thought was fairly reasonable it applies to 15 people within the city it really references positions that are number ones or number twos everybody above that amount is paid fairly highly for their professional experience and at the same time I would think that when
they are delegated under their job description which you do have and you should Pro we all should probably read those that you're you are responsible for emergency response and and working with in hurricanes and other conditions whether it's a jet plane or the like I'm
trying to bring about consistency and and and the suggestion I I don't know I mean lastly say if I could two points which is the other issues that M that you want Mr Herring to opine on he certainly can
opine but they are under labor contracts those labor contracts are separate and apart from general service employees that these are now can somebody say I want The Best of Both Worlds if I work any overtime I want to be paid a minimum
of four hours if I go to court if I'm a police officer case got dismissed I'm only there 15 minutes my kids in the car back I go but the labor contract says I get a minimum of 4 hours that's some of the provisions in there nonunion employees that are in
management such as myself you can work us like I said 100 hours a week the only time we can take advantage of of any sort of Premium is when there's a disaster declaration basically and you're doing emergency work which
happens fairly infrequently in my first three years I think it happened twice this year it it happened three times and the like so I I don't know how far down the hole we want to go in the rabbit hole um I understand your
responsibility um for for good stor sh of taxpayer money I I don't disagree with that and uh you know you guys handle it any way you want well I just want to speak to the consistency please because that is my concern is we are at you know this policy anticipates that
there is premium pay in certain circumstances I would you know just as a side note say that maybe not for sleeping I appreciate that you have to leave the house and and and and not be with your family but for actually sleeping I feel like that maybe is a little uh you
know I I don't know if it's appropriate but what my point though is if I could just just make this point please is but you're gonna make stop on that because that when I was at the pck and I don't I don't get any premium pay I don't get anything I didn't sleep for three days
these people didn't sleep for three days and then they should deserve the pay their time sheet will rep there was no sleep that's fine see this is this is the problem I think is that I feel like this is becoming very personal to just you and I and that's not the intent um
the way that the the revised policy is written is there is no guarantee of reimbursement and there is no end in sight potentially and that means that we have to just figure out how to pay for that municipalities can go bankrupt because of this kind of thing I don't get it there's there's somewhat of an overstatement to
me no end in sight we don't know we know this year was going to be like this end in sight is I'm trying to bring about consistency if there's five storms next year this policy says if I've got to work if I've got to work I don't know those five storms and each storm had an extra 40 hours then I'd get 40 hours per
storm that's that's the consistency I can't control the weather consistency I can't control the nature of the storm form what has to be done for the city's activities nor can anybody else and so but again the job of the council is to
set a policy and then if it doesn't work then we got to readdress it Mrs Barnaby has been want to say something thank you Mr Mayor um when we have these discussions I think it's important that
we focus on the title and the type of the job being done I think it's Absol abut wonderful that many of us know who handles what with these Emergency Services however you can get hit by bus tomorrow so this isn't Rob's thing this
is the city administrator's thing so when we're talking up here I think it's important to keep that in mind and to keep in mind the titles of the jobs that have to be done getting to employment contracts again going back in time prior
to me taking the position here in 1998 we had a mayor that was very unhappy that uh three of his lieutenants on the city council did not get reelection therefore he turned around
and gave every department head fiveyear contracts meaning that anybody coming on if they weren't happy with that individual or felt that that individual wasn't pulling their weight the only way we could get rid of them is to go to
court or buy him out or buy him out and I remember making at the time at that time in 1998 the only people that were getting five-year contracts that I was aware of was NBA players and none of our department heads played for the NBA Mrs
Coker why me cuz your cards up oh that's that's I I had mine up at one point I saw that card up if I had a question I don't remember what it was I'm really trying to remember what it was I'm trying to I'm
trying to help clarify what I think you're trying to say you're not you're not saying you don't want to see anyone paid you want to make sure the the right people are getting paid in terms of their job responsibilities is
that what I'm and and if we're salary CU I'm I mean I'm salary and both I guess jobs we don't really even get that it's it's comp comp time or something like that you don't even get compensation but if some of the high department heads
took comp time they'd be off the whole year and they can't do that either but but we're talking strictly though about an emergency situation that's what that's what I want to that's where this policy has been trying to talk about to say hey let's set a policy but but if I
don't disagree with bringing in Mr Herring and saying Mr Herring what have you seen at other places because I asked him about the previous one and he said that everything that he seen and looked at he didn't see anything wrong now do
we have an image problem maybe maybe it's an image thing but there's certain employees that are not bound by contract because they're not in the union so sometimes you negotiate a contract you have to live within that contract for three years Mr Perry would love to
negotiate a a 5-year deal right now for that so what our other department heads because if they had fiveyear deals and the council wanted to change them you're pretty much stuck for five years unless you're willing to pay it off but I and I don't even know if you can do that in Florida but there's some
rules on some of those things so um right to work states and all that but but again I don't think I want to get it set up where then nobody's questioned anybody some of the reimbursement and I'll tell you straight out and I said this already at a meeting that Sunday morning when we went with those 17 guys
and went through the east side of town to pick up at that moment because of what I saw and what we did I did not care if fima was going to reimburse us for that and I was willing to take that and if I got fired for it it is what it
is because that money we spent I'm still going to ask Governor Dan santis if he's watching right now I'm gonna ask him to reimburse us for that because he did he did say on TV that Bradenton did a good job of getting stuff picked up but it
was two days after the storm the haulers weren't going to be here by then they weren't in Tampa they weren't in St Pete but we had to do that for our citizens and our guys on the street there deserve to get time and a half yes
and they did on that Sunday morning they but I think that that if I may um I don't disagree with you at all and again these are hard conversations to have because it's not that I don't appreciate the effort and I I completely appreciate the executive
decision but the guys that were out there with you I I don't know this for sure but I I don't know that they all made the same amount and so their pay and a half might have looked different time and a half time and a half and they volunte when I say volunteered they
volunteered to come in knowing they were going to get time premium pay I guess you'd say right time and a half for them that's and one guy may make $20 an hour and another guy makes $30 an hour so their time but for them they volunteered to come in knowing they were going to
get that pay and then the rest of the week Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday that it's not their normal job what we were doing through all those trailer parks and in the neighborhoods Miss Barnaby yeah I I apologize I had something else written down but then I was moving shuffling my papers and I
covered it up um one of the other thing that I think that we need to consider when we have this type of compensation we need to be competitive with the other cities that are out there that we're vying for employees with trying to find people to do some of
these jobs which forgive me I have jokingly said that you know one of the reasons I came back was to give my husband all that evidence he needs for that competency hearing that's coming my way um these jobs are
hard and in these situations we are asking these people to leave their families leave their children I don't know that I could do that I know that that some of some of
these families um they are accustomed to this they know this is what's what's going to happen they know this is the drill um I'm just grateful that we have people that want to do this and and you there's two departments
that um the fire department and the police department that sign up for that and they have a contract that they that Union negotiates and has it in that contract the Public Works they know some of their different jobs they sign up for
it after yesterday doing the job that I do at the end of the day I went home and told my wife that I signed up for that and you know sometimes it gets to the point where you know the go the job
of the council is to set policy and then put the right people in the seats to run that policy it's not to micromanage and how do we figure out what is the right policy and again I think that's what this is trying to do to set it up so
we're not talking about this in the future we are getting reimbursed there's going to be some things that like I said on that Sunday morning with those 17 Public Works and sanitation because they weren't all sanitation they were Public Works people too that came in that could
drive the the claw truck that could drive it it wasn't just sanitation and I didn't I didn't say to James when can you get people to come in tomorrow and and I didn't ask him I said but make sure and get the the lowest paid guys so
we're only paying them $20 an hour instead of i' said see if there's anybody that would volunteer at that that Saturday morning we didn't know if we'd have anybody because when I drove around there at 4:30 in the morning and looked at the the stuff that people had
already got out it was like oh my God we got to do something and this is where we've got to I don't disagree with anything that been said here today but how do we get to that mesh Point how do we get to that right
policy that and and it's not a policy for chief gear Chief bevon Rob Perry Irv Le Lance whoever it is it's the policy of whoever's in that seat that's the
policy and that's what we got to start talking about and I don't know you know where's the good starting point point because I I I think every one of our department heads right now if I ask you to raise your hand I'm not gonna but if we said we're going to start negotiating
fiveyear contracts with you every one of you would raise your hand and said let's start now you stay late tonight and we don't want to do that I'm just saying I don't want to do that because I saw it in 1998 how it made it dysfunction Mr Mayor yes ma'am if it
would afford people a level of comfort to have Mr Herring come in and and adjust us and address us again some of the the items that we may not be able to talk about
because of the ongoing lawsuits but I think that Mr Herring is a student of attorney that he might be able to offer us some comfort without having to get into specifics that may cause us an issue down the road if that would give more Comfort to people I would be
willing to to say let's let's do that I would fully yeah I agree with that Mr Perry any final comments none at all all right so we'll work on getting Mr herring in and maybe even do it in a special meeting
um but I will reach out to him I'll take care of that sounds good we'll get we'll get him in and can go over all the details of FL say and who can get we're never going to guarantee that we're going to get reimbursed from FEMA that's just not going to there's no
guarantee with all the changes that changing at the federal government level if there is a FEMA right if there is a FEMA but it'll be worked through the state more than the the national but um under current we'll just proceed
under the current policy all right hopefully there's no well do we want to emergencies flight paths or other things it's all hazards but if something happened we would work through it we could revert to the old
policy we are under the old policy it was adopted right I mean we could resend that one if we had concerns about that all right so we'll work on that what is uh I wanted to cover emergency purchases I have two really quick things
yes so we recently had as you can see uh January 31st through February 10th these additional yeah we can't see that sorry Tam had to go pick up her child okay let's see might have to
zoom I can if we can't read it I can just that not the right one yeah that's it can you zoom down at the bottom or at least part of it a little bit and try to zoom for you I do not know how to do I I can do it from here I think I got it yeah you got it yep there you go there
it is you can move it over let me just try to zoom a little bit more these are the new additions correct these are the new additions yeah from from January 31st to
to10 I'm sorry the dates will be in there and I guess we'll cut off the rest of it but um under this we have roof Replacements and roof Replacements was requested by facilities that involves as
I believe it was two or three different roofs Lance is that correct from the storm from the storm I'll relate it to the related to the storm these will be tried to recouped and we no guarantees no guarantees this is permanent work it and uh but it still has to be fixed it
has to be fixed right and so we had to do emergency repairs to them um roof replacement 666 I'm sorry $866,000 uh Mr Peterson for uh uh new piping new stainless steel
hangers that is for the fire protection system for our day do that was torn up um there is a a fire line underneath that with stainless steel it's in the water and the like I want to say that was about yeah 65,000 about was 67 water
main storm water relocation six St pretty self-explanatory on that uh that was that was obviously very costly 6 644,000 fence damage mayor had asked me about that we're basically proceeding
with trying to repair some fences uh there is a whole series of we're putting the fences into a single package that will request permanent work be done on and FEMA reimbursement related to it that was one of the things that Hagerty recommended same with lift stations I
mean sometimes you can break these into individual projects and I know the people with with with FEMA experience know this uh and and they get a project number project manager there's different phases of the project but you can also sometimes consolidate them we never did any of this before I mean we did some of
it and Rebecca was the resident expert quite frankly but since our training and our emergency management skills have come to play um we're playing our own game here we're we're we're we're writing our own music we're bringing back our our own money and that's good
because we usually wouldn't be able to do that we don't have that experience that I'm aware of and I don't think we've gone into the they buy the microphone for us I don't think we've gone into those categories at this nearly at this level um in the past street sign Replacements I talked about
that that was exactly what I referred to $265,000 um that was to bring in an emergency street sign contractor and to and we were directed by our emergency management team that came in from Pensacola Northwest Florida Northwest
Florida and that was their job they're hired by the state to come in and tell us how we do things and that's what Corey Tamara um Brandy right um we put in Mission request actually through weboc
and we get a mission number and then hopefully get it fulfilled and in this case we called LK uh I text him I probably still have the text while I was getting um one of those nights that like that I was got woke up at um but that
because that was a big thing when we realized how bad the the street signs were we were worried about stop signs and people's right four-way that was huge you know that somebody that there's no stop sign they keep going and they just T-Bone and then um sary sore
repairs uh this is at 12th Street in between manity and 6th Avenue that it was related wash out yeah that was related to the storm and and then sanitary sore pipe repair um for 242 contract in that with woodrift they were really good about getting out and fixing
that infrastructure right away um if you ask me as an estimate how much we're going to have out as far as permanent work I'd venture to say it's probably going to be somewhere between 10 and $20 million you are correct that's exactly what it is it's it's a little over 10
million right now yeah yeah that's just yeah yeah um some of that point permanent work involves engineering studies and surveys and inspections of our Marina uh we have a responsibility under the lease to maintain the pier
itself the substructure and integrity of it um we have to have a marine engineer take a look at that I did talk with uh Miss guy about that um we're going to obtain that engineering service to do the survey um as well as the seaw walls storm breaks and other things the salt
water intrusion saltwater intrusion which is caused and that and that'll be a big thing like when you deal with FEMA because you do have to like pointed out have the prior preventative maintenance um inspections done because they're saying well how do we know this didn't wasn't like this the last 10 15 years
you know we we know big waves hit it and hit it for a long time and and and everything raised but there's some really big ticket items in there is the point I'm trying to make and you may only get reimbursed 25 or 50% I had that conversation with Amber on the phone and I said how does that work like if they
go yeah most of it was kind of related to the storm but you really don't have that good an inspection Rec will you take like 40 cents on the doll it's kind of a negotiation so these these issues are long from settled and the reimbursement to the city and ultimately
the decision on on how to certain things have to be repaired because they're emergency but ultimately other things that that maybe don't have to be repaired but we're going to be dealing with this for a while and Hagerty has done a great job to their credit along
with working with us if you if you get on that the the call if you ever been on the call uh they are very organized and they have gotten us very organized and our staff so thank you all for the Emergency Management training that you have gained and and how you apply it and
the benefits to the city nothing further can I say one quick thing mayor yes sir so um much to Mr Perry's point about up in our game I mean I've been here for almost 11 years I've been involved in the Emergency Management site just recently in the last couple years and I
can tell you my to what Chief gear said we've gone from not doing much as as a whole city you know individually not relying on the county to this last set of storms that we faced unprecedented and we and I think we handled it very
well aside from just the actual physical work of handling the storm and and getting the community back up together but you're talking about everything after the fact um and I want to give uh Aaron Jones who's our purchasing manager some credit um because we've mentioned a
bunch of people with Corey and Heidi and and and Amber and David and and everybody but we don't mention Aaron Jones who's our purchasing manager she came to us a couple years ago from Sarasota County and a lot of the things that you see on those emergency purchases she was able to facilitate
quickly and in the process of the storm is happening we can foresee that we're going to need x f we know we're going to have fence damage we're going to need a fencing contractor I can't tell you how many times Aaron and I were on the phone together and she's like I got three people lined up you know which one do we want to choose here fill out this form
and it was a done deal so folks like our Public Works um you know Don Brunner for instance he's handled all of our Roofing and all of our fencing uh repairs those are done expeditiously because of folks like Aaron because of Don because
there's a plan set up and it's This Is How We Now operate before who knows you know I don't know when it would have been repaired or if we quite frankly even had to deal with with it much we were very lucky but just the fact of the team that we have and the expertise that
we have the willingness to work together and communicate with each other is I I can't tell you how proud I am of everybody in this team but I just wanted to point out Aaron just because I know we've thanked everybody and and said kudos to her but like I said she she had
the foresight the the understanding the knowledge the tools and resources to be able to search out these companies because we knew stop signs were going to be an issue and we wanted to to we jumped on them quick we had them under contract quicked and Don was able to
work with them quickly to get them all up and and our Public Works folks so kudos to Aaron but but kudos to Mr Perry yourself the council and and police and fire for really setting up kind of the environment for us to thrive and to be able to kind of show you what we could
do and what we're capable of well and and people don't understand the public well the storms been over for 3 weeks Storm's been over for two months is the storm over for you but they don't understand that because their house is okay they didn't
understand the most thing that frustrated me was before Milton when that week was well I didn't have any problems if you weren't north of Second Avenue and you weren't Riverview Boulevard you didn't you thought why
aren't they getting my yard debris already right and that was the thing so so we've got to figure the out the we got to figure out the right policy was there some mistakes made yes we got to fix those we got to make sure that we're going to get reimbursed and
that was what I learned what was his name our lead guy and it came down that big old trailer um the main guy it Tom Tom Tom Tom but Tom was amazing and then we
ended up having three of them in at one point because we had homes beaches in and you know and Braden Beach were they what how much longer do you think we're gonna if you need to go go I'm well I no I don't you have to go can I make one
comment because we have the FEMA folks come to the station for review right we've been through three FEMA reviewers and the state has um approved uh our policy for the premium pay and how we apply it so the the reimbursement for
our pay is not an issue nor has been and Cory can correct me if I'm wrong but it's been reviewed by three different reviewers and this is going back uh well beyond last year's storms it's every storm that we have reimbursements in for
and uh we they have not questioned it because it's in our policy and we have a policy now going back I would have said that sir that say again I'm I said I wish I knew I said that well I just found out I I reached out to Rebecca so I could get a little
more insight yeah and Rebecca's always been uh Guru on that for us all right so we'll move on from that we'll get Greg herring in we'll figure that out pretty quick because I want to put this to bed get the right thing because what we what did J Jody said the other day we're so
many days out from June 1st yeah four months so we don't want to be dealing with it but we want to be prepared um any unfinished business just last matter the sufa signs I just wanted you and I don't know if Jeff bought it up Burton in C I'm getting a nod that he did good and so we're going to be discontinuing
just so you know too that's what the news reporter from ABC would want to talk to me about and it's just the position is is that we want to explore other types of platforms particularly um your phone weight way finding GIS because we want to highlight all the
great things to do in Bradenton and although that's a pretty good technology we have testing traffic and the like that people that could read it it really doesn't meet today's technology standards so that's and there's a cost the cost Effectiveness we don't that was something that uh realiz Bren want to do
as part of our scope of work with the c right yep Mr Mayor yes ma'am motion to authorized staff to direct sufa to remove the three on Street Digital Media Signs and to discontinue the services
currently it's not in anybody's budget all right um yeah Mr Perry um one thing I would like to do yes sir just with the council all being here is would like you to come up with an update on the police station kind of where we're at and cost and all the
things oh you need a motion for oh I oh you have to do it was I didn't hear that yeah it was motion motion who made the motion I did that's what's so funny if you can't hear me you really need to go to the audiologist what okay so we have
a motion by Miss Barnaby and a second by Miss Coachman any further discussion we'll start the vote inward two yes three four five one carries five to zero thank you all right I will put together an update
for our next council meeting if that's okay please y sounds good for uh PD as far as where we're at make sure we're talking about the yes sir yeah no like an update on that um and then is there any Council people that have anything
specific I did start with you miss Coker thank you oh I think I already mentioned it to him about the school bus I mean the the bus benches the Metro oh yeah that's I mean I did my ride along and
they sleep real well Mr Rudell yeah we I mean now next time yeah we we have there's litigation pending so I'll see if I can get you an update on that okay thanks M Coachman um it's been some uh pav
streets paved in my immediate area everybody's excited or five is alive Happy Valentine's Day Miss Barnaby Happy Valentine's Day to everyone uh would like to extend sympathies to the families of David bishop and the family
of uh Judge Thomas gallon and I have a neighborhood Ood meeting I have to get to I missed my police officer's meeting at Riverdance but that's all right um Miss Moore um I do not have too much to
report today I just um I guess I just want to reiterate that I appreciate everyone uh because it seems like unfortunately this is maybe a less fun aspect of being on city council is
that you have to have hard conversations on a mic but I do appreciate everyone's efforts Mr Kramer as was said earlier we signed up for it also said earlier by Mr Travis
Williams and then copied by uh Jane Coker even though I called it when we were at the luncheon that I was going to reference it it's okay um he was talking about the Bren community and that it's a we not me attitude and I just wanted
everybody understand that's what when we had to vote on things today when we have to discuss things it's a we we have to have a good perception we have to have things done for the sense of the entire Community not specifically always what
we may want or me or you may individually want where' you point at me you you point it right at me now the hands going on yeah thank how the hands no um I just want to say thank you to
the council because I think obviously you know we've been through a lot over the last or I've been through a lot over the last eight years um especially as a council member and the mayor but talking to the group
today that the group and I say the group the citizens that were out there you know it was probably about 5050 you know for and against you saw it and what we've got but we as a a group up here were able to get out to them and I was especially impressed with all of the
council members with your comments that were able to look at the audience and whether they were for or against what's happening they were all shaking their heads yes that they know that we're engaged and we care and I don't know if
y all saw that but I saw that and the calming effect I think was good and that's why I said what I said at the end about I do have to make decisions sometimes on the three minutes but that was something that when I had to and went to court I said that's what we got
to do right or wrong that's right but till we change the policy that's what it is um I just to remind everybody about the rata coming up the the Pirates block party this Saturday the rata will be uh
a week from Saturday um and then I would like to ask in the past and I know there's been a lot of Paving going on but Irv Colonel Lee um we used to get a sheet that Mr mlen did to us that showed us all the paving that was being done
for the year and it would list out Ward by Ward so Ward members could look at their area and say okay if there was something that was more crucial but they would get that and then as it got completed completed expected in two months but I think that would be another
thing to be getting out um and then I hate to do this at this time but I've got to bring it up because the 13th Avenue and 12th Street and Village of the Arts we were out doing some cleaning the other day and because of cars on the
road I almost saw someone get hit crossing the road there so you know I don't and I know that the traffic study was done and it doesn't meet the numbers but is it going to meet the numbers when somebody walks across the street and they don't see seem him by a car and hit
and so I don't know if there's any a you know appetite to just put a three-way stop there from our parking lot because it is the cra's parking lot and like I said if the person wouldn't have
zigged we' have been we wouldn't we we wouldn't be talking about it because somebody would have been hit by a car Mr Mayor yes ma'am since the CRA has a parking for all intents and purposes it has become a parking lot right it has become a parking lot it may not always
be a parking lot but for right now it is a parking lot and having been on that street numerous times between seeing people at Bird Rock or Monarch or some of the other galleries I don't want it on my
conscience that we knew that it could be a potential Hazard and for whatever reason we we didn't bite the bullet and require it be done so if you want a motion it's not my ward and I you know I can't talk to Mr Kramer about it um
outside of this meeting but again we have seen it time and time again and that neighborhood is truly one of the walkable neighborhoods and they have activities where they promote people to walk through that neighborhood
I think I think pedestrian safety outweighs a number on a page well I agree and I believe there should be a stops sign there the question now becomes do we put a stop sign in the lot to make sure people stop coming
out as they pull out onto third there a curve cut right there well there exactly but there's so then you have but what I'm saying is someone without a stop sign there and stop signs all around could potentially just drive stop a stop into a drive in a parking lot it's not
supposed to be a parking lot well but we have a sign up that says it's a parking lot well we say it Park Mar your own right but I we actually Mr Rudell might aine on that we have a sign that says city of Braden and CRA park at your own
risk so that's a parking lot so liability wise you would have to make it a fourway stop three-way stop well but every street along when you come in down 12 is a four-way stop you're not getting argument I'm just saying you need to have a if you're doing it you would have to have a I was I was on my toes going
oh thank goodness Mr Mayor I'll be happy unless mrr wants to do it explaining what I'm saying I'd like to make a motion we install a four-way stop intersection at the intersection of 13th Avenue and 12th Street to include the
Fourth Way being out of the driveway second any further discussion hearing none we'll start the vote inward three yes four yes five yes one yes two yes thank you can I make a motion to
Jour any other department heads I see M Robin's already out the door she second motion we're adjourned thank you thank you