--------- There's a lot. It is now 6:30. Welcome everyone. The Graphic County Board of County Commissioners boards meeting is now called to order. We will have the invocation by Commissioner Reic and the pledge of allegiance. All right, let's
pray. Our father in heaven, Father, we just thank you so much for another day of life. Thank you, Father, for being with each and every person in this room, dear Lord. Father, and all the blessings you poured out on each and every one of us. Father, we thank you, dear Lord, for just allowing us to live in this free
country we live in. And Father, I thank you so much for Bradford County. And Father, now as we come to this meeting tonight, dear Lord, with every citizen in here in this board, Father, I just pray that we all are uh kind and courteous. I pray dear Lord that we all
get our points and opinions across in the best way possible. And father I pray for this board dear Lord you'll give us wisdom from above to make good sound decisions for all the citizens in Bradford County. Thank you for everything you do for us. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
>> Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. At this time, we will receive public
comments. But just as a reminder to everyone here, uh when you come up to speak, speak directly into the microphone so that your voice is projected to not only can we hear, but the people who are listening outside, you'll have three minutes to speak. And
please um be curious. Um please state your name and address. uh for the record um when you're speaking into the microphone also address your comments to the board and not um to the county staff and refrain from any demands for any
immediate response from the board members. The board members would not engage with um the presenters. Also, we just ask for you to refrain from any borstress behavior, personal, impertinent or slanderous remarks. And
with that, we have our first um public comment from Miss Melissa from Mastromasco. Good evening and thank you for giving me this opportunity. My name is Melissa Protomastro. I live at 639 Laura Street
here in Stark. Thank you. I'm short. And I would like to speak to the item four, which is the repurposing of the Douglas property to become an ice facility. I stand in opposition to this. I've only
been a resident of Stark for 14 since 2014, but when I first moved here, uh, I was so excited and I and I'm still excited, but I would, uh, tell everybody that I met, I just moved to Stark. And
almost invariably they would respond why which upset me a bit you know and then when I told my friends at home which was St. Petersburg. I'm fourth generation Flidian. Um they would say, "Oh, Stark. Yeah, old
Sparky." Or, "Oh, a speed trap." And this discouraged me. And I would try to explain that that wasn't Stark. That wasn't the Stark that I knew. And I would hate for another comment to be, "Oh, yeah, the concentration camp."
because I don't see any purpose in bringing ice here. I just don't. And I'm not going to take up the whole time, but I'm going to read something that's not going to be a surprise to anyone here on
the board, I'm sure. And it says, "And Jesus answered him, the first of all commandments is here, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, with all thy strength, which is the first commandment.
And the second is this, namely that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. I do not believe an ice facility is showing love to our neighbors or to anyone else's. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Next we will have um Monnique Constantino. Hi, my name is Mon'nique Costantino. Thank you for pronouncing it correctly. I'm from Gainesville. My address is 2000 Northwest 36th Avenue, Gainesville,
Florida 32605. and I'm here to speak regarding the proposed ice facility. Reports from existing ice facilities document widespread problems, overcrowding, spoiled food, shortage, shortages of
basic hygiene supplies, and filthy bathrooms, all of which create squalid and unsafe living conditions. People have also reported physical and sexual abuse, excessive use of force, and medical neglect, leading to preventable
deaths, demonstrating that detention centers frequently fail to meet even minimal standards of safety and dignity. Heightened immigration enforcement, detentions, and deportations create
chronic fear and uncertainty that spill over into whole communities, including lawful residents and citizens. Restrictive detention center-based policies are linked to US-born children living without a parent, increased
poverty, lower educational attainment, and greater distrust of schools, health systems, and other authorities. Detaining immigrants in secure facilities is dramatically more expensive for taxpayers than community-based alternatives to
detention, which can cost a tiny fraction of the daily detention rate. Government and independent analyses show that alternatives such as case management programs, community placement, or supervised release not
only cost far less but also achieve very high immigration court appearance rates, often above 95%. Because detention centers often operate with limited transparency and oversight, communities risk being associated with
ongoing civil rights violations and humanitarian crisis, damaging local reputation and trust. Investing the same funds in legal support, housing, and community-based case management strengthens families, improves
compliance with immigration processes, and aligns more closely with values of fairness, safety, and humanity than a new ICE detention center ever could. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Thank you.
At this time, we will have Valerie Har. I actually didn't realize I wanted to speak. I just want I'm Sally Harvin. I'm from uh 529 North Water Street. I'm new to um Stark. I moved here from Gainesville not too long ago about um I
think 5 months ago. And the reason why I picked Stark, Florida was because it was so cute and quiet and it had kind of a High Springs vibe to it. I love Call Street and I am against ICE um having a detention center here because I just I just feel like it won't do any it
there's no benefit to it for your city. I think that all it's going to do is add to a bad reputation. And um I also am curious. I don't think it'll help your property values probably either down the road. Um, and I just feel like as a
community, I think it's it it's going to focus hate. It's going to it's going to put you on the um in the news and it's going to be negative. Look what happened to Alcatraz. We do. You really want that? I I just I'm so I'm against it.
Thank you. Next, we have Fabian Martina. Good evening. >> $600 million. $600 million. We could have housed a whole lot of people with that money. We could have
put a whole lot of people on good standing, provide food for a lot of people. $600 million. It's a lot of money. I would never see $600 million in my lifetime. I'm already halfway through. Instead, what happened? They took $600
million and opened alligator Alcatraz and they put people in there that look like me, look like you on grounds of suspicion of being illegal. I am against an ICE facility here in Stark for the simple reason that Stark
is a safe place. Yes, we lost our local PD due to financial reasons, but Bradford County Sheriff's Office has been nothing but upstanding in helping us citizen deal with everyday stuff. Even when I had encounters with them, I always felt safe. I feel safe walking my
kids around. I don't have to have my gun on me. We're open carry state. I don't have to have any of that on me. Bringing ICE to start is going to set a bad president. It is going to further the divide between people that look like
me and people that look like you. It is going to set a bad example on what happens when you bring when you bring uh state sanctioned goons to a quiet town. I prefer to keep Stark quiet. I prefer
to keep Stark peaceful. My time my time in in in Florida Department of Corrections has shown me that prison is not fun. Everybody thinks prison is cool until you get to work in those in those in that environment and you get to see how toxic it really is. There is no room for improvement.
There's only room for recidivism. Look that word up if you're not sure what it is. That's all we have. That's all they have. Those people that that are paid to be state sanctioned goons are not there to uphold the law. They are there to stomp people down. They are
there to put people in cages. I would like to remain outside and free and black in spaces that I am legally allowed to be in without the worry of some state sanctioned boom coming at me because I look nasty.
I don't need that. Nobody needs that. It's going to get worse for the country as a whole, for a county if they come to town. It ain't going to be Christmas, it's going to be hell. Thank you.
Next, I have Los Hasting. But before she comes and I and I know that was the person probably felt bad because their phone rang, but if you have your phones with you, just put it on silent for us. Thank you, Mo Hastings. How y'all doing? Bra County resident all
my life. Um, as far as ice facility, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the illegals being taken out of here, the rapists, the murderers. It's not about skin color. You're here illegally. You broke the law. What I am worried about is all
the stuff like you see in Minnesota screaming, attacking them, attacking facilities, attacking cops. That crap needs to stop. I don't want to see that here. But as far as the ICE facility, hey, if it helps us get them caught and
get them out of here, we need to do what we need to do to make our country safe. Nobody had a problem with our border being open wide open for 4 years. Nobody bitched and groped about it. It was all good. Now, because the president is doing what we voted him to do, everybody's mad. Well, all I can tell
you, if you're here illegally, I would suggest you self deport. Then you ain't got to worry about ice coming out for you. Now, another thing I have to address. On November the 4th, I want to thank Mr. Cornne for confirming exactly what I said when I put out a video about
what we actually paid the Bradford County commissioners. It was not a lie. It was a fact. It was made allegations, but it was the actual truth. I heard through the grave fund, which I did ask the sheriff a while ago, did he receive any phone calls? because I was told he
received plenty of phone calls to put me out of my home because I am raising questions on these budgets for the past 5 years. But know this, yes, you can put me out of my home, but if you think it's going to shut me up, you got another
thing coming. I'll just get louder and louder. I love you, but we as the taxpayers have a right to know where our money's being wasted at. And we have a right to call it out. We have a right to criticize. If elected officials don't
like being criticized, then you shouldn't jump in a race to be elected by the taxpayers. We have a right to call you out. We should call you out because if we don't call you out, it never stops. The spending, spending, spending. I'm a poor person. I was told
to skip a meal. I don't like that. Um, but I'm not going to shut up. I'm not going to quit calling out the corruption. And um it's just it is what it is. And as far as ICE, I support ICE. I support our law enforcement. I was
asking the sheriff, does he think if this comes here, what's going to happen with the sheriff's department? Because I don't want our deputies being attacked like we see on TV, uh the fake news media. The past years, we've seen all the fake news. It never stops. That's why you have to research
and do your own research and stay off of this mainstream media crap cuz all they're going to do is lie to you. Nobody had a problem with a president that couldn't walk two foot or even get out of bed and now you got a problem with it. Well, get over it.
Thank you. Can I give you any statistics that you can look at? That's from water. Kate Ellison, 971 Southeast 32nd Way, Melrose, Florida in Bradford County. Using Bradford County property for an
ICE detention center uh requires some careful thinking. An ICE facility would be run by ICE agents whose training has been drastically shortened and who are under severe pressure to meet unreasonably high arrest quotas. Under
these circumstances, ICE is not held to standards of honesty or decency. It is well known and well documented that they do not want oversight of any kind of or any kind of public exposure of what they are doing inside detention facilities.
That is because they have something to hide. They hide their faces, their badges, their license plates when they go out. It is so much easier to be mean, even violent when you are anonymous. What they are hiding is inhumane
treatment of people they pull off the streets, off job sites, out of their homes without warrants. These people are detained, mistreated, and then often released because they had no reason to be arrested in the first place. Many are
American citizens. What they are hiding, according to people who were detained, is very cold, overcrowded conditions with inadequate spoiled food and dirty water, inadequate bathroom facilities and abuse, both physical beatings and
verbal disrespect, no medical attention for the wounds they have received or medical conditions they may already have. This is not what Bradford County stands for. There are criminals in every population,
but they are small in number. In fact, crime is down everywhere. Our country is not overrun or invaded by criminals from other countries. On the contrary, most immigrants are hardworking people who want to make a better life for
themselves and their children, just like us. In case you're only thinking about making money for the county, please note that alligator Alcatres federal funding is still pending. The state has not been reimbursed.
It is not the moral thing to do, the Christian thing to do, the American thing to do. In our country, we use warrants to arrest people. We treat each other with respect and courtesy. We do not have secret prisons. Please do not
allow ICE to bring their dirty business to our county. If you do this, will we still be better in Bradford? Thank you. Next, we have Virginia Harper. Hi, I'm Virginia Harper at 2213
Southeast 150th Street start. Um, I've lived here a lot of my life, not all of it, but a lot of it. Um, and once I finally grew to love Bradford County, I I didn't want to stay. So, this is my
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which is right across from Walmart. Okay, so much has come in in that area. We have about 14 homes in that one little street. Now we have Zachby's, we have the urgent care, we have Papa
John's. Well, now y'all are looking at putting a detention center less than one mile from the city limits of Stark. We are a rural community. What is that facility going to do to
Stark? Okay, like she said, I have five grandsons that are biracial. You think they're scared already when they see ISIS in town? Yes. They tote their IDs with them daily because they
have dark skin. They're already scared and there's no facility in town. So yes, they take their ideas with them every day because they think it's funny right now. It's going to be really scary. No longer funny when they think of
facilities right there. We have other facilities, do we not? That are available on the outskirts. Are they not available? I heard there's already a detention center out UCI. Is it not? Do we need another one?
>> So let's think about this, folks. What is this going to do to the homeowners? Are y'all going to protect us if something happens or if somebody gets loose and they break in our homes or try to? What are you going to do? We're of a family of law enforcements, retired law enforcements.
We're already trying to move out of that area because of what y'all have allowed to come into that area to invade us. We no longer have the privacy we had before. So now we're looking to try to sell our homes. And I don't know how
many other of those 14 homeowners are trying to do the same except for those that have been there. We've been there 28 years. Some have been there longer than that and they can't afford to leave. So what are you going to do to protect
us if y'all allow that to happen? Think about it. THANK YOU ROBERTS. Hi there. My name is Brian Roberts. I live at 10691 Southwest 89th Avenue in Hampton. Been a resident of Bradford County for a little bit over a decade
now. And I will say I've I've really enjoyed watching Stark come of its own in the last 10 years or so. Um I know before I first moved here the bypass was coming in. A lot of people were concerned that was going to divert business away from downtown. And I think
it's actually done the opposite. We've seen a lot of really nice businesses, restaurants, um, single owner shops, all kinds of things that have come up downtown that have really made it an attractive small town downtown. We
recently had some friends over during the holidays and we took them to a movie at the Florida Twin and one of those people was actually from Gainesville was like, "I can't believe this beautiful downtown is 20 minutes away from where I live." Some of the other folks are from Brenn and Bars from the Tampa Bay area.
They thought the same thing. What a great little downtown. And you know, I have to say USA Vegetables just moved in right across the street from Walmart not too long ago. They've had to increase their hours there because there was a huge demand
for that fresh produce at a reasonable price. Who would have thought? And the Walmart being right across the street. That's where our grandmothers go to get their knitting supplies. Where our kids go to buy bicycles, school supplies, where we go to get food. This is where
every person in this county walks into that Walmart at some time or another. That's the first thing that you drive into when you drive in south from 301 coming into Stark is that area right there. Is that what we want to say? Welcome to
Bradford County, home of an ICE detention facility. Is that what you guys want for our town? I don't want it for my town. I really don't want that for my town. I know I've loo tried to look up some statistics. Um, I heard
someone mention that uh they wanted to get the immigrant murderers and rapists out of our community. I know this gentleman here behind me can tell me, but from what I can tell, we don't have a problem with immigrant murderers and rapists in our community. >> 29 in in uh 2024.
>> Please don't speak from the audience. Thank you. >> So, I'm not here to debate I'm not here to debate immigration laws. What I will say is that we have watched ICE ramp up into
a force that is illtrained and operating quite often outside the law. And that is very clear and that is not up for debate. Whether you think it is or not, they have been operating outside the law. They've brought controversy everywhere they've gone. We see the videos on TV of all the ICE facilities
and people chanting outside. I don't think this gentleman right here has nothing else to do other than to police what's happening in front of an ICE detention facility. I don't want that in my community. >> Um and at this time we're going to um
move to our the approval of our consent agenda. >> Make a motion we approve the consent agenda. Motion by Commissioner Thompson. Is there a second to the motion? >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Dohy. Any other further discussions or questions? All in
favor by the sign I. >> Any oppose? Five. Now we are going to have a presentation at this time from the SAT consulting inc. And this county manager want to introduce
Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, if uh Sabos Consulting will come up now and uh start the presentation. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you, commissioners, for allowing um this presentation and consideration of the proposal. My name is Darren Yakanelli from SEO Consulting.
We are an advisory firm to state and local governments. We have a long history in detention compliance advisory. I'm sorry. I'm going to look down here so that uh the purpose of this briefing is to
present a county-led proposal to um >> Sir, could you maybe pull your microphone to you? >> I can stand closer. Is that better? >> Yeah. >> Okay, perfect. >> Yeah. So, the purpose of the briefing is to present a uh county-led proposal to
develop a county resource into a a um a ICE there. Thank you. an ICE detention facility. And um the the concept of that is a intergovernmental service agreement between the county uh sheriff's office
and the uh federal government. You can go ahead and put the purpose slide on please. Thank you. I will uh review the structure of that proposal uh in concept, its elements and its um and its expected impact. We've
been doing this research and analysis for several weeks um and uh we are at a feasibility study phase at the point where the proposal is ready for decision and so at the end of this we'll ask for
action. You can go ahead and move to the next slide please. So again the concept is Bradford County under agreement with the federal government using a county asset and provide the ICE detention services to
department of homeland security through an intergovernmental service agreement. Move to the next slide. Okay. It's a little it's lag here. So, okay. So, the um the the concept is that
the county would present the proposal as a county proposal to the federal government um using the 30 acres and existing warehouse and uh federal funding would be provided to fund the construction and operation
of the site. So the concept is revenue neutral to the county. Next slide please. The concept for the facility design is that um the existing warehouse would be converted to a
housing unit. The uh surrounding lot will be used to develop um temporary structures using a modular building for administration, dining facilities, legal log, library,
etc. support structure building. The intent is to have a low profile to the site with up obscure fencing and um um signage. the end state or the the the uh project will result in an enhancement to the
asset. So there'll be infrastructure, sewer, water, electric upgrades and the county retains ownership of that asset. Next slide, please. The timeline for the project would be
from ICE approval. So the steps there's a there's a proposal phase which we're asking to proceed with today and then that proposal goes to ICE. If ICE approves it through negotiation then there's a um a build phase which is the
phase zero and then initial operation involving a th000 beds where the housing unit would be the warehouse. Phase two and three would add 1,000 beds each in the in the anterior part of the lot.
using the modular construction. Those would contain four 250 person housing units each per >> What is the price on my head? >> No, ma'am. >> What is the price on my head? >> You got to do it.
>> Thank you. I'm head model. >> Proceed. >> Thank you. Next slide, please. So, here's a schematic of the initial design conceptually. The uh blue are the housing units. The other structures are
the support units. The big blue block is the existing building. And again, in the anterior part of the lot, there are uh eight housing units. Again, um leveraging the
infrastructure built during phase one. Next slide, please. The construction method is modular. So it's slab on grade and then modular construction with um hard hard panel
sides and a soft um fabric tension fabric roof structure. Next slide please. This is a a picture of a different facility that is similar in construction type just so you can visualize it.
Next slide. So structurally again um the IGSA structure is an intergovernmental service agreement. There's a process in place as a common structure that ICE uses to collaborate with local governments for detention specifically.
And the uh the contract vehicle uh results if if properly done. Again our our firm is an advisory firm. properly done. It's a revenue neutral to the to the county in a conservative fashion. The county will provide governance and oversight primarily through the
sheriff's office. The county impacts are county impacts are financially recovered through uh the IGSA structure as approved by ICE line and by line. So in the end, the county does not subsidize federal operations. That would
be unacceptable parameter. Next slide, please. Operations, county oversight. Um, this these uh this structure was is is designed with uh transparency and ultimate county authority
um for a 247 secure detention facility. There are inspections and compliance coordinations that occur. There's um national detention standards that would be complied with and the public safety plan for the for
the facility would be coordinated with the sheriff's office. Next slide, please. the economic b benefit and operational impact of of um of the facility. There are um expected to be hundreds of temporary construction jobs during phase
zero. And then permanent jobs are expected to be in the 1,00 to,250 person range. that that is um detention officer type jobs as well as support structure supporting services type jobs
and medical jobs. There will be a higher local first principle applied to the hiring. Next slide please. Local economic impacts are um the direct jobs also indirect jobs as many local
businesses will have opportunity to participate in providing wraparound services and support services to the facility and its operation. There's obviously the um uh the downstream effect of e economics when you bring in 1,200 jobs in terms of
housing and retail and other services in the in the community. And there's opportunities for local contractors, both the ones that already provide services to county buildings, etc., and also new opportunities for those um local businesses.
Next slide, please. So, in terms of cost protections um for the county, the structure of the IGSA is is designed to be revenue neutral. Uh so it so projected categorical and quantitative costs will be reimbursed
through that structure. The end result is that no taxpayer no local taxpayer money goes to subsidize federal operations. Next slide please. In terms of end ownership protections, this is not a sale or loss of control of
that county asset. In fact, um if the emergent need were to to were to degrade and the ice contract end, the county ends up still owning the property except in an enhanced form. So the uh the slabs, the infrastructure added and
other negotiated features that were added to the property over over the course of its operational phase would be left behind for the county to leverage in its next use. Next slide please. So the unique aspects of this model to
provide the uh the capacity to meet ICE demand for detention center are that it's it's county owned, it's intergovernmental, it's revenue neutral, it leaves you with an enhanced u asset in the end
and um it it's fitting with the county and the community's uh already robust detention industry. So, this is a this is a county and and an area that has um already a a large uh presence of
detention centers and so it fits with that as well. Next slide, please. So, the action requested from the board this evening is to approve the proposed use and allow the sheriff's office, the
county uh to prepare a proposal to deliver to ICE, have ICE decide on that proposal after negotiating phase, and if that's successful to proceed with the build and operation of the facility for as long as it's needed.
And that's the end of the presentation. Commissioners, thank you. >> Any questions from the board that you have? >> You want to start? >> Go ahead. >> Well, um, one of the things on the,000 to the,50
jobs, do we have any kind of pay grade? I mean, how much these people would be making? >> Commissioner Andrews. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. Um, do we have um any kind of pay grade on what
they what these physicians would be paying or >> there uh they'll be in line with uh federal detention officer pay for the for the detention officers and um um and their supervisory and there's some higher paid um uh medical and
supervisory roles as well um as well as uh you know food service workers and others. So it's a variety. You have sheriff, you have something like that in line that that we could know where we would know what basically would be their salaries.
>> Yeah. Once once it was to get approved by Department of Homeland Security that that would be done through a contract, they probably give us all that list, but it kind of put the cart ahead of the horse and doing that. But everywhere I've been and traveled the
country, it's it's a at a federal rate. They have a standard which is above our state rate. Not sure. >> Okay. Um, another question. There's been a lot of things said tonight and one of the things that was said was that people were being arrested
with no warrants. Um, whenever ICE goes into a a neighborhood to pick up these individuals, certainly. I mean I would think but I'm asking you there are there warrants and I mean for these people's arrest.
>> So so um this proposal doesn't have to do with the um with the field operations aspect of ICE. This has to do with the detention of the detainees. So any so every detainee that is uh housed in this facility will have been processed
already by ICE and determined that they are uh here illegally and are and are awaiting further adjudication or deportation. >> Okay. And one other um you mentioned the
contract ending. If it were to end, say we had had it full and it ended um where do they go? How would they be transported out of of Bradford County? >> Sure. So um when a facility any facility
but uh especially one of this size uh were to um be decided by ICE that it's no longer needed in the portfolio of detention centers they will uh reduce the population through attrition
and um decommission it after that point. So what what that means is those detainees that are in the facility at the point of that decision, let's say it's full, like you said, um those detainees would be adjudicated and processed and deported or or or dis uh
have whatever disposition uh otherwise but just no new detainees would start would come in. And so through attrition, the use of the facility would would be reduced until it's down to its last detainees. And then a decommissioning we call it a
demobilization would occur. And that's another point where um we can revisit the initial assumptions about demobilization and talk about the um the improvements left behind by the um by by
the operation. So the pads the the the minimum would be the pads and the infrastructure. But certainly there could be a discussion about what else to leave behind at that point. >> Okay. Another question. And you said that the calls would be neutral to the county. Um what about in the case of
lawsuits or anything that may occur inside of the uh the center? Would that be covered by the federal or would would the county have to pick that up? Would we have to pay? I mean, I'm just not sure.
>> Yeah. So the way that works is inside the IGSA you have a projected county impact cost and it's broken down by by type and so we will help you um develop that uh that model and present
to ICE and then ICE has um perview over approving that. So line item by line item they'll they'll ask questions or they'll they won't. Um, but that is what I meant when I said that the the the the IGSA rate that the county um essentially
charges ice is is a is a um a bottomup bill rate that includes the operations of the site, its build amortiz and and contingencies of impact. So, you know, road use perhaps some of the
things you mentioned as well. >> Also, um there was another thing said that the the facilities were extremely dirty, that the food was was rotten and and um I worked at a prison and I know
that it is as dirty as as the leader allows it to be. The food is has to be inspected before it's served to people. As far as training the the employees for these positions, who would that be done by? Would it be done by your
organization or who takes care of that? >> So, our role is to be side by side with the county and and the sheriff's office in the oversight of that activity, the private contractors responsible for training those folks as they hire them and operate the facility. And then um uh
together with the sheriff's office, there's oversight. So, one of the things we really like about um uh Bradford County is the the way the sheriff's office is run because that's going to be reflective of how this facility would be run if it's if it comes to fruition. And
you know, uh the county has real reputational risk. Uh and so do so does my company. And so we want to um work with folks who are like-minded that if this is going to be done, it should be done right. And you I heard some
comments that tonight from your citizens that uh reflected that if you're going to do it, let's do it right. And absolutely, that's that's the the only type of proposals we help our counties develop. Um, and I I just want to say, um, just
listening to everyone's comments, um, my mind goes to the people who have been brutally murdered by some of these people that that are being arrested. >> Um, when the young lady said, "What
price? What price on my head?" It made me think because we talked about I'm sorry I must but we we talked about a price and I thought when we said a price, oh my god, what would those parents pay to have that child back at
home and back where she where she was living? So when we talk about this, this is a very ugly thing. >> It is. But we can't take the reality out of it
either. We we have to remember that these people have been brutally brutally killed, raped, murdered. >> The people that the immigrants murdered. >> Ladies and gentlemen, ladies, the statistics, >> we cannot disrupt the meeting. We
cannot. The commissioner is speaking. She will be heard. Shame. >> And if we forget that, that's sad. Very sad. >> Um, but >> white men do the violence. >> Continue, commissioner. But that's all
the questions I have and I need to make comments. >> Any questions? Okay. Any questions from anybody else? >> Any questions? >> Sure. I do. >> Um, one, I I heard something about what happened to the Camp Landing facility.
>> I I don't know. So, I'm just asking, does anybody know? >> We weren't involved with that. I'm not sure. Um, maybe some of my colleagues could >> I can tell you there was a relocation because of the old facility in Baker County that shuttered the prison and they were able to obtain the millions of dollars to upgrade that prison. So when
they're done with it, that facility will be operational for Department of Corrections. He had nothing to do with the protest. Actually, the protesters were pretty nice that day. Well, they came up, it was organized and done, and that's when they're looking for two new places right now. If you we keep talking about alligator Alpatres, remember
that's county owned property. And if the state comes in and decides to take it over, then it's going to be run by the state, you're not going to have any input into it at all. Here, we have the right to make sure people are treated decent, humanely. U look, we're not ICE. We're not beating on the door. We're not tearing without warrants. We
are here to house those people they've taken into custody and already been processed. I think there's a difference here. People are getting confused. We house marshall inmates now in our county and been doing it for years. We've had an opportunity. They're looking for a place to go.
The real people that have the real questions are probably the people that live closest to it and housing. But you look at the county jail. It's in the middle of downtown surrounded by housing and 48 new duplexes going next to it. Look at Lord Correctional Institution in the middle. That's usually the safest
place to be. You're in a safe, quiet community. We're not looking for a big banner that says Alligator Alcatres in front of a facility in Bradford County. We need an address and privacy fencing. It'd be a whole lot quieter than jet engine motors cranking up all day long running jet engine and you living next
to it. It was an opportunity for economic in my opinion. I'm going to stay cuz I heard a lot of mistruths here. a lot of mistruth and misunderstanding and some of it's intentional, some of them they just don't know about. But I'm telling you, I'm in the business. Been doing it every 40 years. The sewer
system, I'm glad you able to sign up. The city just invested multi-million dollars. Look it up on the city's website. It's been enhanced. Just got another 20 just got another to the county. >> It's going to be hooked to the city water and sewer. >> Okay. Which they just got >> you had your chance to ask questions. You can ask me.
>> Share. We will not engage the audience. Just, you know, just speak to us and to uh the question. So that's so that's there that's that's how it came about. Uh the opportunity came for 1,200 jobs in my community. I've seen the damage done by losing 100 jobs. These are living wage jobs at federal rates going
make a big different impact in our community. A big impact. I have to look at nobody want everybody wants something but they don't want it next to them. I get it. But we have to look where it's best located. They researched. They did their research. They found they found a location that's ideal.
And remember these are immigrants. These are convicted felons and we've got thousands of convicted felons in our community housed safely and you're in one of the safest places to sleep in bed at night safely. These people, most of them are here on violation of immigration status. They are not career
or violent criminals. So, we have an opportunity to do something, make an impact in our community, bring jobs and opportunity that otherwise we would not have. And I've grown up in this community my whole life and my grandkids, my five grandsons that attend Bradford Elementary School to my entire family. I was made here
according to my mother and I've lived here my entire life and I feel safe and I sleep well in my pillow and nobody has served to work in this community harder than I have and nobody's lost more sleep than I have to make sure my community is safe. This was an opportunity. I've looked at all of them and this is an opportunity not state run but the
responsibility to us because they're looking for more facilities and if they decide that's it they're going to move in and take it anyway cuz that's county property in alligator Alcatres. So be mindful. Do we want some input into it or do you want somebody from outside telling you what that's the difference?
Here's our opportunity. >> Detention facilities right down the road. >> Not speaking the audience, please. Um, Commissioner Ry, could you get your question answered? Hey Sheriff, I just want to ask you to or one of y'all. Where is the next closest detention center from here? >> From here. >> Yeah, from here.
>> Becker County Jail. >> But and and that's where >> there's illegal immigration center there and a couple miles down the road. They also have whatever the governor named uh something depot. >> It's the old Baker. >> The old Baker Correctional Institution. They went in there cuz it was shuttered cuz it wasn't up to par. They went in
there and spent the millions of dollars to upgrade it to a facility um in regards to it. Like they say, "Well, there's prisons right out the road." Trust me, I know. But if there's a storm or a hurricane, as someone's going to tell you, you got to move several institutions and they got to have that set aside for those type incidents that
occur in regards to it. It' been much easier to go out there and use it. I'm okay with that. But this is an opportunity for the jobs and impact that it will make not just for people that need the jobs coming here, but for the opportunities for locals to contract with these. Remember, it's it's funing through us, but it's actually a federal
contractor that has set these facilities up, not like some of the others you've seen quickly set up. These are done all over the United States by federal companies that uh we got former ICE official, acting ICE officials under Biden, uh Biden that when Biden was in office, too, some that served under a couple different administrations. These
are professionals. They've been doing it a long time. And that's the reason when we met with them and that they were looking, I did my research and to make sure it's somebody we trust because if not here where everybody wants it somewhere else. But
we got to take advantage of opportunity when we have it and the upgrading of our facilities just like they did the prison. >> An opportunity so when they leave because immigration is going to reach a peak or administration change and it's going to go the other way. And right now is our a chance for water, sewer,
upgrades of facility. When they're gone, we've got something. We move on with something better. Look, it's it's look, I get it. And whatever your opinion is, whether it be politically wise or your professional belief, it's happening. We can't stop it. It's a law being followed. We had a
president that was elected into office and voted in unanimously, not unanimously, but overwhelmingly voted into office >> and said for there's five people here can stop it. Listen, >> I told you for the last time. >> Sure.
>> You need >> Did you get your questions answered? >> WELCOME TO START. IT'S ICE. >> YEAH, SURE. UM, OKAY. SO, here's and I've listened to everyone here. Here's here's some of the problems I had, and I mentioned this to y'all. Um, you know,
we Bradford County is growing. We're doing very very well. Uh we have started uh the Bradford Sports United. We finally got the city and the county to come together, join forces. Um if you've been down Edwards Road, you'll see all
the improvements. Um we're fixing to bring in a lot of teams into Bradford County to play sports, whether it be flag football, soccer, baseball, softball. Here's my problem. If we're having a big tournament and
families are coming into Brford County with their kids, that's the only way in coming from that way. You have to go right by that detention center. Now, I know we can, you know, I I I know y'all are going to
make it nice from 301 all the way to there, kind of camouflaging it, you know, with landscaping and all. I understand all that, but what you can't uh camouflage is if there's 100 or 200 protesters out there. >> If somebody's coming into Bradford
County bringing their families in there to play in the tournament and they have to go by that, they might go to the tournament, but they probably won't be back for another one. And you know, to me, um it's all
about kids, period. Um, I I'll just be honest with you. The money don't mean a thing to me. I mean, I'm old enough now. I don't need the money. And um, but anyway, um, but as far as Bradford County, it's got a lot of good. I want
to see citizens have good jobs. I do. I do. But I I was talking to a friend of mine that's a financial adviser. He put it this way. You can make high-risk investments or you can make good safe investments.
This is what I would call definitely a high risk. This has a great possibility of being fantastic for Bradford County, but it's got a great possibility of being absolutely terrible for Bradford County for all the businesses in it
included. You know, if you know, I I've talked to the sheriff about the protesters. You know, I know our laws are different in Florida from listening to the sheriff, and I've got full confidence in the sheriff. I trust you, but I just with that many protesters in there, I
just I I I I see nothing but but negative to get a little bit of gain. I also understand too that if we don't do this, that facility might sit there for years and years and years cuz I don't know what where we'd ever get the money for infrastructure or to put in the
sprinkler systems and all that that building needs. I'm I'm fully aware of all that. But here's my other thing. Let's just say let's just say this board votes this in tonight. Okay? I know if we voted in, y'all have to take it and
then get it approved through the ICE and then it's got to come back to this board for the final vote. Correct. >> I'm not sure your governance for that, but >> that that's correct. >> That's correct. >> So my question is, let's just say we say yes tonight and then you all take it and
go from here. say it takes you a couple months to put the deal together, you bring it back, but then during that time we listen to more and more of our citizens and we see we don't want it and we vote it down. Who picks up the tab for all your work that you put in it for
the two months leading up to that next vote? >> Right. Well, our our company doesn't um uh earn a fee unless the the project goes forward. So, you're saying even if you put two extra months of work in it, getting
everything together, all the paperwork and everything, and this board votes it down, at the next meeting, we wouldn't owe a dime to you or nobody else. >> That's correct. >> Okay. And then the last thing is, and Commissioner Andrews hit on it, um, and
and you actually answered the question, so really no sense in repeating it. I just worry about, I mean, I I let's be honest, midterms, this could change overnight, >> you know. Now, if it did, fantastic. We got a facility already completely redone and nobody's ever even been put in it
and you turn it over to us. That would be a win-win. >> But if if it goes 3 years and then it goes out >> Mhm. >> I don't want y'all releasing 3,000 detainees into logistically how it works, right? It's
it's done by by um attrition and then processing through the rest of the ICE system. So those detainees don't get ever released locally. In fact, even the ones that are adjudicated for release get sent back to their community where
they they where they were apprehended >> in a lot of cases. So it's not a local release almost never. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. So they asked a lot of the same questions, but my question is and somebody mentioned something about
landscaping, but overall what does the security of the facility look like? >> Sure. So um say the perimeter >> the perimeter will be um a detention grade uh perimeter fence and the the um
it'll be cladded so that it's opaque. So, uh, typical detention grade fence is, uh, razor wire on top of mill fencing. >> How much more will that put on your staff?
>> It's not. That's hence it's a contract. It's all my job is is to make sure that they're doing what they said they would do and that the contractors doing. That's kind of our they're doing it now for Blades County. Yes, sir. >> They've kind of become the example. It's not a state run. It's local. >> They do things a little bit different
than what you see the alligator Alcatres and that. I I just think people need to be treated humanely. >> I'm just going to be honest with you. They're here. We're Americans. They're, you know, they come here. We're enforced to do a job, but we need to make sure that it's done right. And that was kind of the the direction
So, you'll have to absolutely look >> I get paid to be nosy. That's my job. >> Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. >> And then I got to inform the commission because it's the county's facility. Mine is to be the nosy neighbor, >> right? >> To make sure that what they said they're going to do, the landscaping, the privacy, uh, make sure nobody's got a
complaint. You know, somebody sheriff's office, I say, I want to go see my, you know, my son, daughter, wife, father is here to find out the facts. You know, same thing I do every day now with marshals. we have, >> you know, our phone systems, all that kind of stuff. Make sure they have communications with the outside. They
are still human beings. >> These people need to be treated as such. >> And that's my pet peeve that I've seen going on. You know, the sheriff's office do a little different like you see in Baker County, like you see in Glades County. Now, it's become the example. It's kind of become the role model what you see in Glades County is what they're wanting everybody. As you know, the
states look, we we've got to have places to put them. >> They're coming. There's still over 100,000 with deportation orders in the state of Florida now. So, we're going to have to do that. It's going to be administrations can change. As Commissioner Rig said, they're not being released to our streets. And I'm going to I'm okay with our facilities not
being upgraded, but there's going to come a time that we're going to need that afterwards. >> Yep. >> And right now, we need to take advantage for the opport economic opportunity in my book for way to bring jobs and opportunity to pay for the kids wreck cuz those people are going to have families and kids going to wreck. U they're right. But the protesters
really, y'all, I've dealt with them from the bear hunts to the camp. We've never had an issue here. We have a different set of rules we play by. And the people that are upset, you see the n vast majority of them are here peacefully saying their opinion. And that's what make America. That's what makes America great is they get to
stress their opinion. And a lot of them been here live here. So we answer to them, but at the end of the day, not everybody's going to agree 100% what we agree with. So you would have a chance to advise on I mean making sure
>> walking out the gate, >> right? That's what I'm Yeah. >> Yeah. That's they've got some repo companies they look at. There's companies that do the federal contracts, not ICE. They house the people that ICE and processed and brought. >> Yeah. That our problems once they get
there, ours is to house them. That being said, we want to make sure and when they get to us that everything is being done right. And I I told them I said I want that congressperson or my county commissioner that shows up at the gate at 10:00 at night. I want to go in and
see. We should be able to open the gate, walk them in, let them see. As you do, my jail, all of y'all have been through. We have unannounced inspections. I think it should be the same way. We need to do the things that we promise and we need to make sure it's done humanely. You don't want to hear, but you you don't trust anybody else to do it. So, put it
with the people. You can have an ear. They can come here and voice their opinion. commissioners. Our our model is to collaborate with the sheriff's office in the CL in the counties where we do work to to provide that transparency, provide that in assurance that um that
the operation is complying with with uh federal detention standards, state detention standards, and your own community standards. That's the difference between a facility that's invol that we're involved in and one that we're not involved in. >> Thank you, Sheriff.
Can you pronounce your last name for me? Uh, >> Calpanelli. >> Capanelli. Mr. Capanelli. Um, thank you for coming and presenting to us. Uh, I have a whole bunch of questions and then some comments. Um, on the second or third page, I guess it
was page six of your um presentation to us. >> It lists the um phase of the capacity for 1,000 person per shift staff. >> Yes. And what would that ratio look like of staff uh to the to the detainees? Um
>> uh I'd have to check back on ratio. So um yeah, that's a that's a 1,00 to,200 um uh uh job number and then that's divided amongst uh three shift work, two shift work, and one shift work. I
>> I was concerned about the ratio of coverage with that number of inmates. when you think of detainees when you think about a thousand and then increasing that to 3,000. >> Yes, ma'am. We we um ensure that the national detention standard 2025 is followed in that regard. So, the ratio
of detainees to uh detention officers specifically and and general staff as well on site. So, follow standards. And just for my own personal research, I saw that you you guys were um um very
knowledgeable when it came to compliance um and consultation about um information technology structures, compliance with the detention um structures for state and federals. I didn't see much on
um the construction of ICE facilities in which you all were provided that kind of in-depth um consultation. So I had a bit of concern about that that it's still just a newbie
uh in terms of um a construction of a facility from ground up. Um >> right. So our our company is involved in um many detention centers whether they were existing already and reactivated uh
partial deployments of uh ICE facilities inside um of a mixed facility so a pod or a wing of another facility and the um the vetting of uh designs like this. So there there's a a tight coupling between
compliant operation and the um appropriate design. And so the the way this site has been conceptually designed with the um with the uh infrastructure around in phase one built out so that it
can handle the phase 2 and three um detainee population increases was was very deliberate on our part. So we don't ever want to get behind that curve where the where the administrative medical legal offices on site uh visitation
processing um and and sanitation and feeding concerns laundry etc get behind the population. So the site's designed in a way that in phase 1 90 plus% of that is built out so that phase 2 and phase 3 only have um small
additions to that um housing extra buildings that go along with the housing units themselves. So phase one covers essentially all of the scaling so we don't have that issue. And I um um realized that in the Orange County in California there was a
proposal that was presented, but I know that that was not accepted um for that was your program in California for a proposal. >> Yeah, I'm not not familiar what you're referring to. Sorry. >> Okay. Um the other um concern um that I
had um was the number of detainees that will be um there for that location. Um that's the hub I guess pretty much the hub of our shopping area, a very heavy
traffic um area um in terms of people coming through the community. um next to um um a residential uh facility and our major shopping hub. And sheriff, I guess my comments here is really for both of my concern.
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Um one was the location. It's not that I have an issue with exploring a um ICE detention facility, but the location is what gives me concern because it's at a major hub where we have heavy traffic. We have a residential area. Um we've had
a ton of accidents in that span of uh of highway. Um and I if you couple that with having for example the protesters to come to me it um it brings um attention to that
particular area and then that endangers the people who live um in the residential area. And for our small little community, we only start 5,700 people and we're talking the possibility of having 3,000 ICE detainees in our
little community. I think um that um the the location poses a risk for me, sheriff. Um, but I think that if we take a look at expanding or at least
taking a look at um partnering with our department of corrections, there are other locations that are in close proximity which the same land mass. An example being New River has 30 acres of unused property. I know that in future
that they may get other inmates, but there are lots of pods that are already there uh besides the concrete block type structure where they could house uh inmates. I think that we have a lost opportunity here if we don't explore the
possibility with um a facility like the department of correction where if the facility was built there even if you left it would be um uh structures that could be used for future inmates but at the same time would bring revenue into
county for the people who would be using it and also it free up our county to be able to let out the Douglas building for potential use and whoever might come there could also expand water, sewer and
whatever and electrical upgrade to that building. And at the same time, if you had it on the um east the northeast uh section of start, you can the water and all of those things that you're proposing for this facility could still be done. So, we have it would be a
win-win for everyone. it would be in a more appropriate location and still benefit our our county. So those are the things that u concern that are concerned for me. Um and it would give people like Amber an opportunity to seek other
economic development opportunities for us for the use of that building for the Douglas building is what I'm speaking of. Um and I just think um that the location is not good. I I understand the pros and the cons. We'll
get the electrical upgrade. We'll get the um I think a kitchen or something in there. U so the building will be in a much better shape once they leave. But it brings you know economic benefit to us in terms of uh being able to get rent
or lease um funds from it because it's occupied it would be occupied by ICE. So, those are some of my um my concerns about it. I >> I can answer. I've worked with DOC and I've heard that I've watched social media. I've seen it. A lot of that DOC
has to have in case of a disaster, escape, riot, they have to relocate, not just a few thousand. They've got a lot they have to do. So, those are left for that. Baker County was used because it wasn't up to par, meet the standard. So, they had the opportunity when ICE came in, the state, by the way, just like the
state wanted to come in and say, "We want the warehouse." Then these people don't have a ear. They don't have a They don't have a voice to be heard from the county commission. >> They hear something going on. They're going to be in the sheriff's office. It's the state. They're going to be going to Tallahassee. And we all know how that works. So here, people have a
voice in an ear. You're saying the road and the traffic. Actually, that's not where our accident is at. Uh the impact that it's made is is going to be whenever they're bust in. Usually you come in vans or buses, you're not everyday car other than the people that work, which is going to be much less
than Walmart, okay? With the impact of traffic and the people that go in and out the Zach fees and the minute clinic and Mosley Tire and the car wash now seems to be the the big thing where the traffic's at. There's going to be traffic no matter what business goes there. That building has been sitting
there for years. it can potentially wind up sitting there for many more years because not everybody's had the funding as you know that's detracted of many people that wanted to rent the building the prison stuff trust me that was at first we tried that early on the county manager if I can get one of those we can
do the same thing and make the impact here it is where they can get the water and sewer make the impact upgrade the facility offer job opportunities and you know what these people in this room they then have an ear if the state comes in where they go to have an
They don't here. That's guess what? I got to live with these people. I got to go to the post office. Got to go to church. Got to go to Walmart. They're going to see me and they know they're being hurt. The state comes in and puts facility. We all know how that works.
So, that's some of the things that you're addressing as far as traffic and accidents and location. Talk about location. The county jail is in dead center of town surrounded by housing and 48 new houses coming next to it. So that's what we're dealing with.
You go to Ludy, Ludy's probably most set right dead in the center of Lying and the people that live there. You know, I can go over and over where these facilities. You live the safest place to be is the closest to it. But you're not dealing with convicted felons. You're dealing with human beings that are here
on immigration violations. It's a total different set of circumstances uh that we'll be dealing with than you deal with a regular prison and they don't need to be treated like convicted felons. I'm just that's where my heart's at. They don't need to be. Uh my wife is of color
and nationality. So I I have a true feeling and a heart for it and I think we can do a much better job. >> Thank you, Sheriff. You know, when I think about us being in the proximity of um inmate populations like our county jail, we have probably 100 or more
inmates in in that facility um and maybe 25 or less that are federal, but it's a much smaller population and most of those people that are in there are our neighbors, you know, people who are from our community. It's it's different than having um ICE detainees here. I I don't
see those in the same frame. LA Correctional which can house up to about 13,500 people is a is at the minimum have the minimum people who are getting ready to be discharged from the facility. UCI full estate prison you all
know is full marks. So, but it's 15 at least 15 miles from the community and and you you have surrounding housing, but those people who basically work there um that are familiar with the area and UCI um that is next door for modern
to it's different. But when you have it in the heart of our community or proposed heart of our community in that particular location, it's not good for our community. I I see the benefit the long-term benefits of terms of what we
would benefit from the building. I I get that. But the safety and well-being of our people is more important than the benefit that we might get after they move. So that's my that's my >> one of the safest communities in the state and we're surrounded by committed fellows.
>> All right. All right. Any other questions for um >> I have uh just a closing slide. I want to thank the commission for commissioners uh for the consideration of the proposal. Uh thank you for the
the community for uh expressing your views as well. It's always a good thing in this country. So um last slide, Amanda, could you flip to last slide? There's just some I wanted to make sure there's understanding of what the next steps are. So um again, you have your governance, so we'll follow through with
that. The next steps are um to uh if we get a yes vote, we'll we'll get to work on developing those detailed proposal plans that can go to ICE. And then if acceptable by the county and the sheriff's office, those will be presented. A negotiation process
happens. And then if that's if that's um acceptable all parties, then we will um uh begin the project. >> Any other comments, questions? Thank you. Madam Chair, I'll offer a a motion to
accept a proposal for the potential use of the warehouse facility in Acreage. >> You've heard the motion by Commissioner Dh. >> Seconded the motion by Commissioner Thompson. Um any further discussion or questions? >> Sure. I got I got a discussion. Um,
I I've had a lot of comments from a lot of citizens saying that uh they weren't aware about this until the last couple days. Um, in fact, we I didn't even hear the presentation until two days ago. I' I've been hearing about it leading up to
this. But here's here's what I would like to see us do is table this, get more information out to the public where they know exactly what we're talking about. I wouldn't even care if you send them out, you know, have it where they
can pick up copies of exactly what we have here in front of us. Let them read over it and then let's have another meeting and see if that's the direction the citizens would like to go. >> Okay. Um, and my my comment as well was
the the way the um the way the item was listed um on the agenda and put out for the public did not lend itself to sharing what the actual meeting was about for for most people and the people
who live in the residential area that will be impacted by the location of the um detention. Um I I this board is one who prides itself on transparency and I don't feel it in this particular
situation. Not that you know necessarily was anything intentionally trying to hide but it maybe give that appearance to the public and we don't want them to have that that feeling. Um and I concur as well that there there's no need that
we have to rush to a vote tonight. Um but I do think that we need further discussion and to hear from our our our constituents and from our community. Um and again we can have further discussion about it. Uh and it's not saying no but
let us discuss it further and then make a an informed decision. >> Exactly. I'm not saying no but I would like to have more input uh the community to know exactly what we're talking about what the benefits are and what the negatives are. And
>> with that, I'll make a motion that we table this. >> Well, madam chair, >> we have a we have a motion on the floor for approval and um and it was second by Commissioner Thompson. So, we can't have a second motion on the floor until we deal with that. So, if you want to resend that um then we can enter a new
motion. >> Madam Chair, I have a comment. So, um at this time, we're accepting the proposal from the consultant. Okay. So that's all we're doing. So at that point, you know, when they come back after the sheriff's
negotiated what all will be in that contract and the county managers negotiated what will be in that contract, then at that point they will come back with their proposal and then, you know, we can still have that discussion
>> and we can either nay nay it then or all we're doing right now is actually putting it where they starts with there for in the final vote. >> I I see what you're saying. Any further comments?
>> I agree. I think that we need time to um speak to other people about um what their experiences have been. um talk to more of our constituents and um because I had one phone call and one text.
That's all I received. Um so get the word out there. Like you said, we do we want to be transparent about what's going on and let's find out what what they're saying and make a make a a
a decision that we all can live with. Okay. Yes. >> May I ask one question? >> M Mr. Attorney, I just want to make sure if this does pass tonight and then it does go 2 months or 3 months before it's
brought back to us. Are you absolutely sure we would not have any cost from this company? I know they said they didn't, but I I don't know them and they don't know me. So, I just want to make sure the county would not have no cost
at all coming toward the county if it takes 2 or 3 months for them to put it together. >> Well, Sabo Consulting's represented that they wouldn't. And also, we don't have a contract with them where we'd be responsible for any cost at this point. >> Okay. Even even if it was voted in
tonight to to let them move forward >> no matter what. >> Okay. >> All they're doing is actually they're letting work to get everything set up. and see how it's going to go. And then when they bring it back, then that'll be
our main decision to either accept it or reject it. >> I I guess I concur with you um commissioner to to not to not do it. Um but anyhow, we had a motion and a second on the floor at this time. All in favor for the sign I
>> I and opposed nay. 2 days 38. So it carries. Okay. Um at this time we have the clerk's report. Mr. Thompson,
>> uh we're good right now. I don't have anything at board to bring to board's attention. Just keep in mind for your budgets. >> Yeah. And >> okay, >> but it's 12 month out of the year job.
>> Um, okay. Thank you. Um, our county manager, Mr. K. >> Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have nothing to report. >> Okay. County attorney. >> Nothing. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Commissioner, >> okay. I'm good. Thank you everyone for being
here tonight. All right. Nothing further. Thank you all for being here. This meeting is a journ.