##VIDEO ID:sH5ZfOg14Ac## e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e Board of County commissioners of Bradford County Florida it's January 28 2025 it is uh 5:30 and at this time I'm going going to ask um um commissioner Thompson to open us up prayer and viel it Heavenly Father we thank you tonight Lord for the privilege and opportunity of being here father we just thank you for your goodness and mercy you show us each and every day Lord and father we just pray as we go into this budget Workshop Lord that you would give wisdom knowledge and understanding to do the things would be right and pleasing to Citizens and to you and father we ask all these thingss in your precious name amen amen pledge algi to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible Li justice for all all right at this time we'll move on to um excuse me item number two the uh Capital Improvement plan um for the year of 2024 through 2025 through 2028 uh to 2029 and uh the first one we'll start off with is the um item a far rescue and I'll turn it over to M yes sir thank you Mr chairman uh Chief Carter is here with us tonight and he will walk us through the capital Improvement plan that he has put together and uh discuss it later good evening evening all right so uh that is on the second page they're front and back but it's on the second page there uh is the fire rescue Capital Improvement plan I'll let everybody get a chance to get there so is the the sheet that on the third line down says fire rescue in the center of the page all right I'll go ahead and get started so for mik is quite loud uh for if we look at fiscal year 2425 which we are currently in uh the we have in there for um the top line is Station 90 Samson City living quarters Construction uction uh that funding amount is actually 650,000 uh that we have left in that in that line um but that has already been appropriated by the state we're in in process of uh moving forward with that project if you look down at the ambulance replacement that is from our PMT uh MCO revenue and then also the new fire engine that has also already been appropriated by the state for 475,000 uh for this fiscal year any questions for 24 25 yes one you know the check that's on the that's on the window yes ma'am which is that that is uh believe part of the um so I think that was a $4 million check 4 million in change now that was for the $475,000 for that fire engine was included in that amount and and just you know to bring everybody up to speed on the Samson City uh fire station project that was a Appropriations that was uh obtained under when the fire department was under the Sheriff's Office it was obtained for Hilburn Springs they were going to build a new headquarters and training facility at hurn Springs uh when we merged fire rescue in 2020 that was uh we changed the scope of work with that Appropriations that was a two-year process to try and get that changed um and so we finally got that pushed through and got that reappropriated to um put permanent brick and mortar facilities at Samson City and thessa uh hoping that we would have enough funding left in that in that budget to uh build living quarters at both Samson City and thessa however um that is not going to be the case we'll have enough for Samson City but not for Thea okay Mr chair yes um Chief Sir the so the 350 is that the balance left from the was it 800 was that it was 850 is what the sheriff originally got okay um there was some costs with design and planning for the hbr spring site okay um and then there's 650,000 left essentially that we have to spend on um on that station on the Samson city building okay commissioner that that 350 you see there is just a it's a mistake it's a it's a wrong number it should be it should be 650 oh so that yeah makes sense okay thank you all right any other questions we'll go to 25 26 um that is what we are putting in the Appropriations for u a new fire engine and then uh the ambulance replacement will be come out of the EMT MCO Revenue um and then a fire tanker so those are the two things we had asked for uh for the Appropriations this year uh was 1, 255,000 is what we'd ask for for a new engine and a new tanker um for this year or for I'm sorry for this coming year 25 26 Appropriations any questions about those items okay uh fiscal year 2627 uh because we were not able to get the funding um or get the construction done at Thea with the amount that was allocated before we would ask for another Appropriations for Brick and Mortar facilities at the resta station as well um and again that's a I think there's probably more discussion that needs to happen on that I know there's been um some talks of of closing at the rest of the station I have some have some reservations with that and I have data to to put that um before you and I just think that's something that again needs to be discussed a little bit further um but wanted to put that in there as a as a capital Improvement item but certainly can be discussed a little bit more uh before that time comes um and then the other item in that uh 26 27 would be ambulance replacement and this 350,000 amount um you know we we'll look at that time whether it would be feasible to do a remounted ambulance which is you know significantly less than what a new ambulance would cost uh 350 is what we're estimating that a new ambulance would cost us so hopefully we can uh come below that number as well the 350,000 but if you recall that's the number that we get from essentially unpaid um Medicaid amounts that they're reimbursing us for we pay into that account and then they pay us out a larger sum uh that is uh coming from the state uh 20 that was 26 27 so looking at uh 2728 another ambulance replacement and then putting in an Appropriations for that would be two brush trucks so uh the 500,000 you see there would be for two two brush trucks there um every brush truck that we have in our Fleet currently is uh is left over from the volunteer departments and some of them are are just you know uh kind of Aging out at this point um you know a lot of repair and maintenance and so that would be an ask that we would ask for uh State Appropriations for that as well Mr chair yes sir Chief is that you said two brush trucks right two brush trucks yes sir then I know you said that you know you're hoping they come in less than that has that been taken into consideration just the future value of the equipment and things like that absolutely yes sir and that's yeah and and these numbers and this is on me not on Miss Amanda for putting this together but I um the the prices they're expecting a pretty significant price increase on um fire apparatus across the board so that's why you know these numbers are are uh a little bit off as far as the the amounts go um but that would be the 500,000 would be for two brush trucks we're looking at one right now building for uh town of Brooker under those Appropriations and it's it's right at 185 I think is what that one's going to come in at so hopefully again we would be much less than what's listed there um these are kind of worse case scenarios numbers um sorry was a question how many do we have currently currently brush trucks we have seven brush trucks currently okay um but a lot of those again are from you know 2 1999 they're older trucks that are just stacking up on repair and maintenance and a lot of them spend time uh out of service uh we have I think three or four right now that are over at the county yard um in Fleet trying to get repaired you don't know roughly what model they are year most of them like I said are anywhere from uh 99 to I think our newest brush truck in the fleet is probably a 2009 I would say um I'd have to go back and look to verify that but most of them are Ford F550 um and there are some that have pretty significant mileage on them there's some that don't have much mileage at all but problem with that is they've sat and so the um you know they're getting routine maintenance now now but for for the long time they they sat still Mr chair and also some of them need to be surplused so that you can get a newer better model so so what we traditionally do is when um when we are are using them because they're they're heavy duty trucks and so we traditionally pass those down to uh Public Works and they're they're transitioned over to Public Works that doesn't necessarily need a a truck that's 100% reliable all the time you know certainly they they need a reliable truck but it's not a a matter of life and death uh for them to to have those trucks that may not may or may not break down um so for us that's kind of what we've done with with our ambulances that we've surplused and our um appar fire apparatus that we've surplused is we've donated that over to uh transferred that over to public works department H how often would you say that we would in a year use on the seven uh the brush trucks um I'd have to go back and look I've got the numbers pulled up but I know last year we we uh think we ran oh I want to say it was 40 something brush fires um and we burned a total of 422 Acres I believe so we used them pretty significant amounts last year um and they're just they're four-wheel drive vehicles that can get Offroad where an engine just can't do that so you know that's the biggest difference between that and like a fullsize fire truck all right any other questions about those items have some questions yes ma'am me um has the board and this would probably be the time to talk about that but any of the items where the funding source County seeking Appropriations not in this fiscal year but in the other fiscal years um would the board like to consider in case that funding source does not become available I think that's the goal for us to go after it but what happens if we don't get it and so would the board want to consider that total cost maybe breaking it up into each fiscal year that we have available into a committed um account in the general fund commit general fund dollars to that project if if you all agree with them so for example the um the brush truck yeah Ben has two brush trucks scheduled to come online in fiscal year 2728 if you went ahead and decided to allocate you know commit in the general fund 125,000 each fiscal year until that that time frame um then at least you know you've got it in there to be able to handle it in case you don't have that general fund I'm sorry the um Appropriations coming through and I would ask the board to consider that for any items on the CIP where it says County funded but seeking um you know Appropriations if it's not in the budget somewhere to maybe consider breaking that out Mr chair go ahead I like that that's a good point um but should we also look at if we don't get the funding for the state Appropriations that we're kind of front and backend loading it I mean like I know what you're saying as far as having that um you know putting away a little bit you know at the front end here you know the 125 a year but also if we don't get the Appropriations for you know say like the new fire engine then what do we need to put and what year do we need to move that to so again putting money aside just like you suggested but then let's say we don't get the fire engine replacement from State Appropriations do we move that into say the 26 27 year and then do the same thing just you know put a little bit in in this year and a little bit in next year I guess that would be more of a b question if he could wait another year I'm I'm assuming you've put it together based on your current Fleet right and what you're anticipating when it needs to be replaced and could he afford to go another year year to try to continue to wait for appropriation funding or is is he saying hey this is about the time the goody is going to be out of that vehicle and I need it replaced by then because of mileage and wear and tear and things of that nature it's just a point well taken and I was just thinking if we're going to do that then you know again if we're relying on state Appropriations you know for a new fire engine then you know how do we need to you know try to balance that out to where we're not you know sitting here in year 6 27 and then all of a sudden it becomes an item where we have to have that fire engine and we're paying for it all at that one time and that's what we're trying to avoid right I think that um I think that by looking at the shape that we're in right now right we're getting a new two new fir trucks within the next month um that's going to put us in much better shape and again the the equipment that we got from the volunteer departments was great equipment but um a lot of it went idle for you know for quite some time and that's the worst thing that you can do for for some of those trucks and so um you know when you start running those trucks the Gremlins start to kind of come alive and and that's what we've noticed with those is that um you know the the newest truck that we have in our Fleet right now is a 2013 uh engine from hurn Springs that has to have a complete engine overhaul so uh to the tune of about $440,000 is what what we're looking at for that but uh our spare engines are from 1999 or 2000 so the the goal is to Surplus those engines get some some money for those those um you know to be able to Surplus that equipment and start updating some of the equipment that we do have um and the same thing with the brush trucks uh to your point commissioner Spooner why do we have seven of those right it's a great question um and that's because that any given time one of them is in the shop or the other one's in the shop so in order to have three brush trucks running around the clock we've got to have you know a fleet of seven to keep those going essentially because there's so many breakdowns and and repairs um and so that's why we have seven currently but the goal is if we you know like when we get these new engines next month we're Surplus three of our our older engines so the goal is to to get rid of some of that create some Revenue um in order to offset some of that uh cost but again the engines that we're putting in service next month were both with Appropriations from uh last fiscal year and this fiscal year so and I just wanted you know to to add to that what we were talking earlier um I just want to make sure we avoid a situation that we were in with the road department many years ago where we kept kicking the can down the road with replacing some equipment that really needed to be replaced um and for the very re I mean we we didn't have the revenue and we were trying to find funding sources but when it ended up happening is all of those vehicles and Equipment ended up getting red tacked by dot Y and they were not we were not able to drive them so we had a huge CIP matter on our hands if you'll recall in 2020 where I was able to cut a million dollars from the budget real Cuts but we reapplied those to our need at CIP to be able to buy that needed equipment and so that's why I bring that up and trying to plan in a way that maybe if we don't get that Appropriations right um if if these items if it's agreed by the board are are needed that somehow we're building it into our budget just in case Mr chair uh we're in a precarious position in that we're trying to figure out our future funding for the fire department and so we don't have a a finite number in terms of what that Revenue would be it would make sense if we if we were sure about the budget then we can say yes let's allocate such and such amount for that particular item it's kind of like having five old Cadillacs at home and you know you keep having to put one in the shop so if there were if it were possible to to I don't they Surplus three of three or four of them and get a good two or three that you you wouldn't have to to be constantly paying to get repaired would makees sense but so when you say the idea is good that we can allocate but when we don't know what that source is it's kind of hard to commit that amount when everything is still iffy does that make sense I agree with you okay well and I think one thing that may have helped us was if we' had a list of all of the vehicles so we I mean we could just kind of look and see sure what we have but um and and I I totally agree it's kind of like being on being on a budget you know and you're saving towards what what your true need is and now and and I wanted to ask you a question because I know that we've gotten some fire trucks yes ma'am whenever he brings you the check and and that is a a a complete vehicle that's not just paying for an engine right correct when I say fire engine that's the complete truck that's just that's not just the the motor I'm talking about when a fire engine is just the name of that apparatus and we're getting two new engines or two two brand new complete firet TR apparatus um in February and that was from Appropriations from last fiscal year and this fiscal year okay um and we're taking delivery of those next month so for for two of those okay any other questions all right and uh so fiscal year 28 29 you'll see there the headquarters uh improvements um I I feel like also that's a very uh elevated number I think the 2.5 million is is very high um that is is essentially U talking to a couple different contractors and things of that nature they said put that number in there as a safe a safe number for um looking at costs of uh increased costs of of building supplies and things of that nature you know by 2829 who knows what the the you know construction materials will do but um you know that is essentially we've we've just uh we're busting at the seams over there that's just an old an old building and so right now like David weeks you know our community paramedic is operating out of our conference room um which works and we're making it making do with it right now um um but again this would certainly be something that we would seek um that we would seek Appropriations for or alternative funding sources you know and that's the the good thing with us is we have multiple grants that we could apply for there's things that um you know I would I would never expect the county to uh to foot the bill for $25 million for a new headquarters over there or a remodel for that headquarters so that's something um again that we look at versus a wants versus a needs perspective and um you know while we certainly need the room we don't necessarily need uh $2.5 million dollar worth of room right now um so again I think that's something that we can explore alternative funding sources for um and and hope that we get that but if not like I said I would I would not come before this board and ask for $2 and a half million dollars unless that building was falling down around us uh and then the only other item on 2829 is 350,000 for uh ambulance replacement and again that's either a remount or a new truck that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a new truck each one of these years so ni question so chief on the so on the headquarters and you've got that on there is seeking Appropriations yes sir 2728 you don't have anything for Appropriations you do have the county for the um for the brush trucks and then the PMT PMT um for the ambulance could we put in for Appropriations in 27 28 for maybe half of that amount and then I'm just asking because we don't have anything in there right and then you know it's going to it'll phase out I say phase out it'll be done in phases so you'll have your design work um and then by the time it bids out by the time you you know award a contract and you know then you're going to be getting into you know probably you know if you able to get half of it in 2728 Happ 28 29 and then you're looking you know even another year year and a half before something like that gets completed so no I certainly think that's a a great idea and we can certainly do that you know over multiple years and phases Mr Mr chairman if I may uh commissioner D dhy is it's a very good idea I'm glad he thought of it but rather than ask for half in 2728 going ahead and ask for the whole 2.5 in hopes of getting half because what they've been doing in the recent past right and then follow up the following year and then hope to get the the other half and then that could even be a moving number because you know by the time we get to 2728 there may be another item that you're looking for State Appropriations for as far as equipment yes sir just a something to consider no I think that's a great Point can I can I just ask sure the 650,000 you said we already have that right 650 where where's yes ma'am we do the this budget 24275 we have that yes ma'am okay and we've put in for the 620 and 635 for next year's Appropriations okay yes ma'am all righty any other questions all right thank you very much thanks you thank you'all right the uh the next page should be your solid waste and mosquito control page is everybody yes can I sure while we're I mean studying this and looking at this and and maybe even calling then talking more with him Mr corn um I think that maybe we should like bring this back up to address Rachel Rachel's question to see if that's something that we want to do maybe the next meeting or meeting after that but when we feel like we're um certain what what we what we need to do to be on the safe side yeah because I do know that February 4th we're going to start our fire assessment meetings on on February 4th that that meeting okay so and then and that's when Ben we'll also have a lot more information as to the trucks the call runs good deal any questions yall have sorry okay all right so Solid Waste mosquito control um first item we have is a new uh truck mounted spray units for mosquito control and they would like to purchase two uh one and well let me I'm going to do it the way the chief did it for 2425 he's got 25 $5,000 for the trunk mounted spray units also $50,000 for new replacement trash compactors at the collection sites 65,000 for new trash containers and for a total of $140,000 in the year 2425 everybody good with that yes moving on to 2526 another truck mounted spray unit for 25,000 and 300,000 for a new Mac grapple truck do do we already have one we do have one right and it's not it it it needs replaced okay already I believe he may be in he may be intending to to have two to be able to run too like during the storms because I know we we want to improve the the service and the shorten the length of time that it takes to to clean up the debris but isn't the state doing that for us now this was a oneoff thing they've never done it before well they did back in Irma I guess but that was the only other time Mr G do you know how old the truck that we have I do not um Denny may I believe it's less than four years old speak I want to say got it on a grant uh yeah back then it's less it's within four to five but I know Jason's not here yeah he couldn't be here condition of it though I mean have we used it that much that it's I believe he's used it quite a bit yeah um quite honestly I don't know what kind of shape it's in but if he if he's determined that it needs to be either augmented or replaced in 25 26 then okay we can we can um obviously you're not approving anything tonight right so we can we can get more information about that and uh maybe a grant to with possibly I mean I don't know yeah the grapple truck that was purchased was with our mosquito control Reserve we had quite a significant Reserve so what's happening in mosquito control is um at time not every year but at times we don't spend as much as we're getting in because we have to put in an equal match and so over the years we had accumulated quite a reserve and so we were able to justify to the state to purchase a um this grapple truck we do currently have a reserve of about 116 in our mosquito control that um I think that by the time we get into the next year some of that'll obviously increase and we can apply some of that towards a needed piece of equipment and maybe that's what he's consider ing um that he can I don't know if that's what the condition is of the vehicle clerk is correct I mean it it is still it was um you know in like the last four years or so that we did purchase it well forgive me because I forgot we're talking about solid waste of mosquito here and that's that's where that came from so yeah yeah okay okay any any more questions about 2526 Mr chair um corn the so the truck mounted spray units that's just the the unit itself I mean it's it's self-explanatory just goes on the truck right that's correct yeah so what are we using for trucks as far as um you know like what what what are these going on what what trucks are these trucks that were passed down previously from like say old brush trucks or that was before my time I don't know if the CLK may have some institutional knowledge I didn't know what condition from the shariff's office they come from sh one yeah is that something that one of your trucks if we Surplus them that one of those trucks could be used to mount okay okay that's all thank you so moving to 2627 uh $50,000 for another trash compactor for the collection sites and another 65,000 for trash containers do we know how many that buys weren't they I thought they were like 40 yeah that that's yes ma'am there are multiple I think it I don't know I don't want to guess I want to say three okay um but it's unfortunate Jason couldn't be here but the like I said we're not making any decisions tonight so we'll we'll be able to answer get everything made or all the questions answered 2728 is 300,000 for a Mac rolloff garbage truck Rachel do you know what he's running with now right I've seen three at one time so two of them are fairly same thing about four or five years old they're not that old Y and this is out in 2728 okay um may I ask is that's if that would be an item that we could possibly see seek any kind of Grant or Appropriations for I I wouldn't know where to begin to look for grants for solid waste um that's like a Benny question yeah okay all right moving on to 2829 um new new replacement trash compactors for the collection site that'll make the third one in 5 years as well as 655,000 for the trash containers down for the 300,000 for the grapple truck that's a mistake you can cross through that so we'll get we'll get those questions answered and um we'll we'll bring them back to you I'll provide them to you individually the answers to the questions that we had and then we can uh we can go from there and could you ask if that you is it about every two years estimate that they need to be replaced because I know you skip every other year for the asking for um the trash compactors and the new trash containers so it doesn't last about two years and then you need to replace it right so he's showing the trash containers one every other year and uh as well as the compactors every other year so yes we'll we'll get that answer and I think it was a few years back that um we ran into that problem if y'all remember where we had to buy a bunch of them because they had welded and welded and it had rusted through yeah so I think that we kind of if I remember correctly which possibly I don't but that we told him to order along and Al so we didn't run into that problem so that might be what he's trying to do but that's why ask how many it was because um we don't want to get into that same problem because it cost us a lot of money right that's exactly right because I remember Jason coming in here and saying you do not want to weld inside one of them dumpsters it was terrible well they had just and and a guy that that worked with Jason um lives next door to us and he actually came over and told me he said they're in bad shape miss Andrew and and Jason had brought it up so um but so I think that might be why he's doing that before you move from Public Works Jason texted me I don't know if somebody texted him or what but he said that U Solid Waste has 2 95 models and 122 model oh uh roll off trucks for the dumpsters okay a 95 I'm sorry 29595 and a 2022 okay thank you welcome thank you Jason and he did yeah he's he's watching it and he also texted me and said that in reference to the uh grapple truck he said it's adding to the fleet to have a second one and yes it will come out of mosquito control oh okay thank you all right we good to move on to uh Public Works so in 2425 we're looking at County Road 235 for $4.6 million and of course that's funding from the state and then Northeast 219 comes out of the gas tax at $164,000 the these chip sill roads he just got the prices for them yes late yesterday afternoon and we we just hadn't had time to to update any of this so that'll all be on the uh on the final version of the CP County Road 237 is 4.25 million of fdot money County Road 100a sidewalk is 1.07 million and that's also fdot money can Mr chair if I can ma'am can I ask um I talked to Jason I think it was a few days back and um he said that that we've been able to work out some some room on 235 did we has anything happened in the last few days maybe to not in the last few days no ma'am okay um we uh we've been scrambling out at station 10 and he's trying to get some other things done but to answer your question directly no ma'am nothing's happened all right sorry yeah I was um was I wanted to ask I know that when the um when our F when we had our legislative um day here that they went through that list of um I guess grants that we had and one of them was the 177th Avenue Northwest um so is there a set aside date I thought it was in this category for the Pleasant Grove Road where they're going to do the sidewalk amand Amanda's writing that down now and we'll we'll check with Jason he may respond to it he just responded to the question Miss Andrews asked he says we cut $600,000 of it out but we're still trying to figure out how to cut another 300 and that was a do um Grant as well so I didn't know if it yes ma'am fell into one of these if not this year the next year but they had that list um that they put up for us okay yeah we'll we'll look into that and all right moving on I'm sorry go ahead ma'am yes and there were few others um that um for the pleasant grow area that I like to see consideration for that was 55th and 59th and 60 62nd Avenue those who arose that they had to go often to due to the flooding did you want to comment on that or do you want so yeah you go ahead with that and then I'll I'll say what Jason responded okay um when I saw this list just about an hour ago um I I did call Jason um because I received a um email from Chris Shane on the chipil roads there's a lot of roads that we've got on that list that are not on this list so I asked Jason and again he said exactly what Mr Cory said hey I just got the list I just sent that a copy over to you so you can look at it and um so not on our fourth meeting but the um Thursday night meeting of February that entire list will come before the board for us to approve it and vote on it and and the roads you're talking about are on that list and there's there's I I think there's 10 roads on it n or 10 roads yeah cuz I was thinking like uh the do Grant is already approved for the sidewalk for the 177 so in that process they would probably fix that roow but all of these are parallels so that's I raised it thank you and in regards to 171st he says the sidewalk project has not made it for funding for the construction to come before the board yet but it will be coming soon that's 177th right he said 171st so that's a different one this is the one that you I think brought up how bad of a condition it was that's 177 and I know there was a sidewalk project that was proposed for that so yeah it's two different ones okay yeah okay thank you we good okay all right so moving on to 2526 the only item is the $2.3 Million worth of fdot funding for County Road 21b resurfacing so Mr chair and Jason um so the roads that we just talked about which sounds like there's probably another five in addition to the five that are on here and we just didn't have the prices on for this but all of those roads are proposed for the 2425 year correct yes okay and that will come out of the gas tax money okay so I just want to put something in here that yes uh just to to be determin on these so that I see they're in 2425 yes thank you yes and actually I was hoping to put them to start like in uh March or April soon as possible is what I'm getting at I I know those roads we all get calls on them for the for the dust and everything else so and commissioner Spooner Jason just texted and corrected it is 177 the sidewalk all right yes and that's it for public works okay I have a couple of questions about public works I'm sorry go ahead if I may about regarding Public Works and I did have a chance to talk with um Jason before the meeting just while you all are talking about public works and um your CIP and what I'm going to suggest wouldn't be appropriate for your CIP but it could potentially be a recurring cost that you'll just want to be cognizant of if it's the board's will to do this so I know in the past there's been some disc discussion about you know do we need to expand Public Works um employees for operations So currently it takes about a month to complete District Five and district four um and so if the board wanted to have a discussion and consider cutting that in half I think Jason would say that about four additional employees would would help uh to accomplish that and um the pay range would be anywhere from about $16 to $17 an hour so uh an annual uh cost at $17 an hour if we went with the highest is going to be about $57,000 you times that by four new employees that's going to be about $229,000 additionally to your budget not sure if that's you know I just want to put that out there obviously that would be a deeper conversation that you would want to have with Jason when he's here but I at least want you all to be considering ing that if that's something you want to consider because that would be a recurring cost you know that we might want to consider I asked him if you did uh bring on those four new people what would they be doing and their primary jobs would be to do your mowing weed eating and uh litter pickup and then I asked them well what would they be doing when it's the off seon when you're not mowing as much and they'd be helping to do uh your uh gas tax paving road projects pulling ditches is getting ready for um summer time um because that's about the some winter time is when you want to start really pulling your ditches and cleaning out debris and things of that nature to have it ready for the summertime um so again uh I asked him would you need additional equipment and he said no that he would have the two mower or two uh staff members assigned to his existing mowers and then two um other staff members assigned to doing weed eating and uh litter pickup so again uh that's just something to be keeping in the back of your mind so that way when um at a future budget Workshop I know that some of them are dedicated to fire assessment workshops but at your future budget Workshop you can talk to them a little bit more about that if that's something you want to consider yes go go ahead I'm sorry yes and and um he might want to consider too you know it's kind of seasonal during the summer months when you need you can't keep up because of the growth of the roadways Maybe having part-time some dedicated part-time uh position for that seasonal time to help keep keep it up even if you can't afford to have four full-time extra people at least to have consider um maybe part-time help during that time we do that and commissioner spinner we we could um the challenge is it's it's hard to find temporary seasonal workers we we have tried to go out in the past for that um folks are interested in full-time jobs they're interested in benefits and another issue that we did run into when we uh tried that um seasonal workers for whatever reason just they're not as invested in our equipment as our full-time workers are um so we we did tend to have a little bit more of um abuse to our equipment um with seasonal workers just throwing that out there it's certainly something that you know we can explore and we have those were just some of the Cons with it it's it's very difficult f anybody whether full-time part-time even full-time with full benefits as a matter of fact one of the constitutionals is going to close a branch office because she simply can't find anybody to work um so I think we would I like the idea of having two additional full-time employees to help I think that's a good idea but uh in terms of that versus part-time people the reasons that Rachel just mentioned and and the the difficulty of finding someone that would even be willing to do it would be a be a huge challenge yes and and Bard I've also you all know we talked about this what eight months ago I guess but um if we're going to do it I would like to see us U probably purchase two new um Moors with the bat wings on them and at least two employees you know maybe three three employees and two batwing Moors but um cuz cuz otherwise y'all all know when it comes mowing season it's going to be we're going to have the same exact conversations we had before with the weeds four foot high and this because they just can't keep up they really just can't especially if it's a good season where it's perfect conditions for growing like it was last year with the rain and stuff and um think they just can't keep up with so if if we want to um keep the citizens from ringing our phone off the hook we pretty really ought to look into getting two batwing mowers uh and at least two additional employees well if I may I I think it's more than just um the people that call and complain um we are trying to bring people into our community yes and when when we're trying to draw them in naturally the condition of our roadsides and everything is part of that there's no way he can keep up no possible way with the staff that he has now I'm going to bring it up one more time about inmates um it's a whole lot easier to get work done if you got even if it's just three inmates and and an officer I mean a a staff member to supervise them then one staff member riding riding the the lawnmower trying to pick up the trash I saw them the other day trying to do that um I haven't talked to the warden at ldi I don't right now I'm not even sure who it is to see if if it's even something that we could do but if the board is interested in maybe trying that I'd be glad to go and talk to them and see um but in the past I know it's not something that we wanted to do but it really would help Jason a lot um just read for Thought um Mr chair I I spoke um with the regional director and they're committed to helping they made that commitment to me um in fact I asked if um they could have help with Loy for those streets or roads that are closest to the proximity of the prison and the um I guess the ward or superintendent of that institution they've made that commitment that they they're willing to help yeah and and like I said I mean they have to go pick them up they have to bring them back and understand that that cuts into their time but I just think um it would it would would help them out a lot it it would provide a lot of Manpower um that one we can't afford um we'd still have to hire the two staff member like you were talking about but we if if we could get three inmates for each one I mean the amount of work we could get done would be awesome and and a whole lot better than what what we're doing now but Jason can't keep up with with the staff he's got now and I know we're in a money Crunch and I know we're trying to save every dollar that we can but it that's it this is a hard a hard situation with trying to maintain our roads and stuff and like you said they they do look a lot nicer when they mode a whole lot nicer than four foot high and the trash right you know um we just went through Christmas and all that and people that I I don't think that they just arbitrarily throw trash I think I think some do but I think riding down the road in a truck your trash is going to blow out I watched somebody lose some the other day and it and it's hard to keep it picked up it really really is um but I don't know I just it helps it helps the appearance of Bradford County so and and I know years back and and I believe it was you commissioner daughter that mentioned this and you know but we got we got to come up with some way if we can to make it mandatory that those they have to have lids on the trash cans or some type of cover over it to even bring it to our site you know I don't I don't know how we could make that work you see what I'm saying it's you know cuz cuz like you I I'm I go to the dump there in uh uh Graham all the time and you know I see it you know all on the side of the road so I I don't know how we could or couldn't but but um yeah there is a uh Maran County and I was at a lunch today down in Maran County and like to play on words they use they're not horsing around you know being a horse Community but they're not horsing around when it comes to you know just um unsecured cargo basically and U you know they they've got signs everywhere you know so you know $250 right now I was just thinking about this we probably need to take all of our do not litter signs down because we're not enforceable right that's for sure there's no reason to have signs up for not even enforc it and and not just that but there's other things that um that we need help with because you know even even we're talking about public works and our roads in the ditches I mean this it's destruction of public property you know and you know people are just tearing them up getting out in the middle of the intersections and and spinning them up and I get the same calls you know that you know just soon as we go out there and grade them somebody goes out there and just spins the middle of them up and anyway and but yeah it it you know I don't want to get too involved I guess on on you know from a board perspective I mean certainly littering is illegal right um but you know having some way of of you know having unsecured cargo I mean now you're talking about you know people showing up and and you know you've got a an employee that telling somebody that they have to you know and and then they're going to catch all the crap for it you know and and um I don't know what the answer is but certainly I think that when when things like that happen I did uh I spoke with the sheriff about getting some more patrols and enforcement in certain areas to try to catch people you know that are doing that including you know throwing out you know refrigerators and you know those types of things that you know we just need to you know try to get a handle on but um anyway I just bring that up because yes they do enforce it down in Maran County and you know they're I don't know how much of that the fines go towards any of their waste assessment because you know they're talking about right now reopening one of their their old uh Solid Waste facilities down there and only2 200 but they're at $66 right now it's been like that since I think they said 1997 or something I know ours went all the way back to 86 but you know so they're they're now realizing you know they have to do something too so anyway I probably rolled way too much into that but uh yeah I don't I don't know what the answer is Mr chair I I mean honestly you know it's just it's it's going to take and I think somebody on this board said it before hitting people in the wallet until they realize that you know that's not appropriate you know tearing up the roads and the ditches isn't appropr and one guy that called me I remember when we were in high school and he was probably one of the the the biggest violators of it and now he's like and they're tearing my ditch up and this that and the other you know so but uh you know I think it's a that's become something that you know everyone just thinks it's okay and they they they think it's just a ditch and you know they don't realize what goes back into it so I feel like I need to get up and leave now don't Mr chair the Sheriff did assist um I guess it was probably over a year ago but anyhow some people were doing some illegal dumping and they were able to um see the the trash the address of the persons who done it and so they had to confront the person you know you find or you pick you take this stuff so you may have to um ask some ask for some help from the sheriff department in certain cases and and I will say this Deputy Ward um I work with him a lot on this and anytime we can find an address it works great but like commissioner do said I've got uh Southeast 11th they're all the time dumping um refrigerators old beds so there is no way to to run it or trace it to anybody yeah and uh I know our road department spends a lot of time on Southeast 11 just picking up stuff just like that um so but but it it it's one of them things I think our sheriff department does best they can but what's the chances of a deputy riding down the road and actually seeing something blow out of the back of a pickup truck so but um but anyway something we need to keep in mind I don't know what the answer is but um if we could yeah got an idea I've always said this hit them in their pocket right right I mean that that that'll help yeah they they Hammer my area too I mean and I've took many letters and with their address and names and all M get them in their pocket right because that'll slow it down because I would like to know the hours that our road department spends just picking up trash I bet it would just blow our minds you know and that's just wasted time wasted time you know so but anyway okay nobody else got we'll move on all right so the the warden that Jason has been uh communicating with is Warden poke and lah so they are having conversations about trying to get more or additional inmates okay so we'll we'll see how that goes um all right so if you go I believe when we started it was the very first page it was the page on the top of your little packet um it's so yeah oh all right I'm gonna change gears on you um the page that has the uh Courthouse on it facilities uh Capital well it doesn't have a title separate title it just says Bradford County Capital Improvement plan 23 24 2930 um and it's only got one block in it says facility Improvement does everybody see that that's the first item is facility improvements okay we all there yes all right so this year for 2425 the courthouse Ada upgrade design was $95,900 the total for the courthouse ad a upgrade construction we estimate to be somewhere around 1.9 million and that's what we're seeking that was our ask this year for our appropriation from the state um so once again Rachel's question and and idea about setting money aside every year just in case we don't get that funding that becomes important that discussion becomes important do we want to do we want to allocate so much money per year to to cover this $2 million or what do we what do you guys think about that I think it would be good yeah well let's see five years so what is that 400 a year just also adding 10% each year or 5% whatever we decide as far as uh cost for you know inflation of sure you know absolutely Mr chair and board um I think with our our courts and our I I know we're all connected as far as all departments and everything you know to the courthouse and um but I mean I know the sheriff comes to us you know for jail set aside funding but then you know we always have that discussion where we just it's kind of a 5050 agreement you know at some point um so I think we should consider whatever our share of that is you know because if it's again a 50-50 split or whatever that you know we should try to use maybe some of that money for the courthouse um you know just the not just you know what's on here but even moving forward um you know we're talking about about our courtrooms and again things that are you know very connected as far as law enforcement and judicial you know type stuff so um seems like most people they come in contact with over there end up over here so um just a thought I you know I think um we're somewhere around three4 of a million dollars in jail set aside right now something like that um how much that I believe it's 760 7 760 yeah so so even even if we split it it would be like a little over 200 each per year right right yeah and uh at least the the Ada upgrade and then the the roof replacement and then Mr Clark where are you at with your upgrades or is that that's part of the 1.9 that's the 1.9 I mean and and again that's something that I think that's probably a I'm just guessing maybe a smaller ticket item compared to all the renovations but maybe even you know trying to as we go along you know pay for that I believe the downstairs was 1.2 or 1 oh was it really okay 1.2 okay that but downstairs and the upstairs is going to be 1.9 completely upside down and it's going to go up every year it's going to go up 5 10% every year yeah well Mr chair and then um Mr cler since the courthous and our legislators are are sensitive to safety when it comes to you know court system is is it something that we can uh ask for appropriation make appropriation request for it um along with because it's an issue of Safety and Security and you're trying to meet the Ada uh compliance for yes ma'am for the bathrooms for the bathrooms and uh and and our office our office office isn't ADA Compliant yeah we don't have low desks okay um but can we include that as um in our that was in our ask yeah that's what we asked for this year with Senator Bradley and uh representative Brandon okay we asked for I believe it was 2.1 million okay yeah we asked for and what Mr corn was was saying is should if if that funding does not become available through Appropriations does the board want to consider committing general fund dollars each fiscal year until the end of this um CIP uh just so we have it set aside and just remember anything that we commit we can always uncommit it sure if something happens that year and we say Hey you know this this unknown uh catastrophe happened or this expense we we can always uncommit a an account in our general fund with with the board's blessing um and use it for that you know so it's always it can be fluid so it would make sense to have that because it's something that we have to do you know we we have to do it so and Mr chair and I know I I brought that up about jail set aside but honestly I mean you know at some point you know down the road we will need a new jail and so really if if we're not spending that and the sheriff's not spending it then all of that money at some point you know would be a good you know kickoff to uh to doing that I don't think we're in a position right now to where we need to have that discussion but I think as we go further and further down the road it I mean the the term set aside would be set aside for a jail you know so maybe I have the wrong idea about it but uh I think again it'd be worthy you know I again so I like I said I know I brought that up but you know if we're in the spirit of you know what we've done in the past as far as using that then you know I just think that would be an appropriate place to use it and the can speak more to this but I know Mr Carter always um former County Manager Brad Carter was always a big fan of always try to keep a minimum of a million dollars in that gel set aside yeah because you never know if something big is going to go out and you and so that is supposed to be the practice is the sheriff uses what he needs from that um inmate fund and then whatever he doesn't use he turns it back into us and then that's how we're able to build that balance that jail set aside correct but it's gone down tremendously since Co hit they were staying at 50 every day and it's half of what it used to be okay but I think it's fixing to go back up but am I am I mistaken though that this the amount that you said the 760 that's not the board amount that would be the full amount of what's in the jail set aside fund that's the full amount but over the years this agreement's been changed verbally like 10 times like I know he one day in here he said I'll just keep my half and I'll send the other half to you so that's something we're going to have to go back and look at because I don't know what the final agreement is was or will be well and I think we can discuss that with the sheriff too because I know with the governor appropriating more money towards law enforcement that you know I don't he has not come in front of the board as of late unless it's a meeting that I missed and asked for any money out of jail set aside right no not great couple of years yeah the 760 is what the county had not what the sheriff has like I said this agreement's changed well because I know that at one time he had like $3 million in there and set aside I think so I don't I don't think it ever got that high I don't recall it ever being it got right up to a million one time 900,000 a million one time I it was before we got our our but it was on up no I mean I watched it from that side of the street I mean we didn't take in and the best of days took in 500,000 year 600,000 year I think he's down to 250 now something like that oh okay I said that 625's come out of there for the last three years 625 has come out of there the last three years each year I didn't know it was that High come out oh yeah y so the sheriff has that in his budget request you're saying each year so his he's got that built into his budget the 625 cuz it's kind of like it wasn't that supposed to be like a contingent fund is that how we okay that's what it was an emergency U repair and inmate medical one year we got stuck real bad with about3 or $400,000 worth of bills that insurance didn't cover yeah a bunch of people were under deductible which was like $30,000 and anyway long story short we ran a high so we came over and H out agreement with Jim frell and Mr Norman to at least have half of that setback where if we needed it we used to come ask for it things have changed I wasn't aware of this uh see I thought that that was coming out of the general fund but it's coming out of the set aside oh okay okay well I was of course I brought that up I'm not grilling the sheriff at all I mean certainly I'd like for the sheriff to be here to be able to answer questions you know because sounds like um we're all kind of on a different page as far as what we understand so I think it'd be good that you know we just have that discussion with the sheriff but anyway I I would also like to have that discussion with the sheriff about you know using some of that money for you know some of these other smaller projects anyway and then if we don't get the Appropriations I I think that all of us know that that we will probably have to set that money aside because I mean especially Ada I don't know how we've not gotten gigged on that so Mr chairman the I'm sorry I said in in the roof too yeah yeah so Mr chairman at the on the next iteration of the CIP I'm understanding that you'd like to see the $2 million or 2.1 million whatever we decide to be spread out over the next five years well yes yeah yeah putting some M aside sir I'm sorry yes put is that AG Mone aside we'll come up with a with a number with an escalator okay and add that in as well yes yes I think that'd be good all right um moving on to what started out as the sheet on top of your packet um the first the first half of the page just what we've already gone over in terms of the roads we if you'll skip down about halfway to where it says Parks and Recreation everybody see that no I don't on the first page okay I got it got it y all right thank you so in 2425 we have $59,800 for the Samson Lake boat ramp design and then that it and then next year the 367,000 for construction that s right yes ma'am that 367,000 would be an FWC Grant the construction grant that we've intended to apply for all along and then we just talked about the courthouse and the ada8 pieces so that but uh that is everything we've got some questions that need to be answered we've got some corrections that need to be made and some things spread out over the fiveyear cycle so uh we'll get to work on that and Amanda I'm not sure what schedule is are we having another so the next budget work shop is on March the 4th so we'll have do we want to bring back this next iteration and you guys have another in workshop at another time or do you want us to just prepare a new CIP based upon the conversation today and then get it before you uh to vote on Mr chair so pleasure your question is like what we've discussed revising this and bringing that back to vote on correct or bringing the back and discussing it more and then that is my question yes gotcha because for example we think we need to get with Mr dods about the roads so we won't have we won't have that right now until the had of discussion with right so no but he would bring it back revised with those numbers on yeah the next time you see this it'll have all the the questions that were asked you'll have all the answers to those as well as the spreading out of the money for for the courthouse and um the chip sill costs that that's that's what'll be different the next time and the and the brush trucks too as far as having the didn't we talk about spreading the 125 125 like well and if I can say your next fire assessment Workshop is February 4th so that'll give you the opportunity to the point that you're making and and uh commissioner Spooner having you know before we get the card ahead of the horce we need need to have some real discussions about fire and what do we want what stations do we feel have a real evaluation of what stations are currently um in operation do we want to keep all of those in operation what do you all feel good about as far as you know an assessment amount um kind of getting some background and really having a detailed conversation and that's going to be able to help the county manager and finalizing the CIP that to then bring to you at your March 4th meeting okay that sounds and and also getting with Jason about the Moors and the employees exact cost what he would need and um you know so we can have a good discussion on that too um especially with him checking in with the inmates and yeah so that would be great sounds good and hopefully the minutes that we have will have what we brought up and and everything so we can refer back to the questions that that we need to answer and and we'll see your list of vehicles and all so right yes sir that sounds good all right very good okay all right next we'll move on to item three um any more commissioner discussions on anything anybody okay how about the public you have any any questions or anything You' like to to add or say or not trying to put you on the spot but you're only one be the next one that that's February 4th yes ma'am that that that February 4th will be on the fire assessment starts and then there'll be five separate meetings um I don't have the dates in front of me but but it starts February 4th on the fire assessment yes ma'am M Alison I have the the dates up here after the meeting if you want to come up I'll share the dates um yes I know you said uh Commissioners but I just want to I want to say that you know again like I said I know Marian County is a much bigger County and but I I do a lot of work in a lot of different counties and you know talk to a lot of people um I don't I really don't think we're we're any different in a lot of ways than a lot of counties even when it comes to trash I mean we're just we're a smaller County you know and certainly um we're fiscally constrained but you know you look at all the items that are on here and you know it's it's not like we're we're really buying things that we don't need we're buying the things that you know the people expect as far as you know being able to provide the services um I think one thing that that we as a board and future boards we just need to you know save to spend rather than spend to save you know because we get to a point to you know where we have that money and then we just spend it all and then we're trying to save back up again you know so we really need to to you know just kind of redirect and and being able to to save and I think by looking at even the CIP that's basically what that is you know we're saving to spend so it's just a matter of where we're going to pull that money from and and put it together and hopefully get you know money from the state and through this new rural Renaissance and and hopefully uh that'll be recognized this year so but anyway I just wanted to make that comment that's the only comments that I have okay well and I'd like to say love this tool I'm I'm so glad that we did this and it it gets us started just to try to take a look and do some planning we out and um I think that's the key to being successful in what you're trying to do and um and I'm I'm like Mr D um Jason doesn't buy what he do need I I would love for him to have a piece of equipment that I saw at one of the um conferences that you put it on and it goes through a culvert to clean the coverts out I would love for us to buy stuff like that you know our money's tight and so like you said um there's still things that we need desperately bad and even in Fire and everywhere but um but we do the best we can I guess with the money that we have and and um but I definitely think that they they purchased on all the list we're purchasing what we we do need and not what we just want any other comments I just on a personal comment would like to thank everybody for your prayers um for your well wishes for your visits for the for the flowers and um it meant a lot to me it meant a lot to LD um it's been a been a rough road and I thank y'all I love y'all and um it really meant a lot to me and my family so thank you again for everything you did we're just glad you're here need to take it easy I am too that's for sure so all righty nothing else all right meetings turnour it's Taco Tuesday