But I love that. So I mean like Yes. >> Oh yeah. That's the story of my life. >> Mayor, you want Eric to sing for the next five minutes before entertaining.
We do a little karaoke barely karaoke. >> No, she looks great. Did you hear it? Yes, one of these things. You know me, I'm not No, >> I don't like making people standing though. I apologize.
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>> Good evening. Good evening everyone. Um, our burough attorney showing a few minutes late, so we're probably we'll probably commence the meeting in about 5 to 10 minutes. So, remain comfortable and my apologies. We just want to make sure I I can imagine what a
number of your questions are and our attorney is very likely to want to be involved in helping provide answers. So, give us a few minutes and hopefully he'll be here soon. And there are two two seats up front. If anyone cares to sit up front,
>> there is one of the comfy one of the >> I hear you. >> I hear you. >> It's happening, kid. >> All good. So
got her first real stretch in the background. >> Yeah. That's exciting. All right. She got her head here. I cannot say anything. Got
my solar on the roof today. 12. So we had the old and then did a single pitch. >> I saw well So we
radiator just the radiator. work. Thank you. Okay, >> just a quick update. Our attorney is now minutes away. He was stuck in traffic. A few folks have come in the room. We're waiting to start the meeting. So,
appreciate your patience and we'll begin we'll be underway soon. Yeah. Oh, actually it's nice there, right? at my house, my father and my husband. So relax and my mom'll
be there. I got to be strong. Okay. Thank you. Algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> I wish to announce that the 48 hour notice is required under the open public meetings act was emailed to the Asbury Park Press, the co-star, and the new coaster on December the 19th of 2024. that a copy has been placed on the
bulletin board in the burl office and that a copy has been filed with the municipal clerk. Please be advised public attendance for meetings through Zoom is a courtesy only. If for any reason Zoom fails or is disconnected, the in-person meeting will continue without interruption and action can and
will be taken provided providing there is an inperson council quorum. Mr. Noble >> here, >> Miss Green >> here. >> Mr. Nikki >> here. >> Mr. Weber >> here. Mayor Butosi >> here. >> Good. Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen. Uh it's wonderful to see such public participation. >> Sure. You say that now. >> We typically have 10 or 15 folks which we welcome. So this is wonderful to see so
many faces. Um, as many of you are aware, we normally hold, we the B of Rather Beach normally hold uh two two council business meetings a month, January through October. November is usually one meeting. December is usually one meeting. Uh, this is a special
meeting. This is will be our second meeting for November. Um, and we've set that up for a couple reasons. Um, and that's why it's an odd time, 4:30. There are a couple unusual rules I'll just take you through really quick. Um but a special meeting is is intended to be
fairly narrowly focused. So we don't do broad business uh work in such a special meeting. Um we do have one bond ordinance that we're going to introduce tonight on on any ordinance introduction. There is no public
comment. Uh you have public comment on ordinances that amendments are being adopted. We do have two ordinances that are up for adoption. And for both of those, the public will be uh allowed five minutes each to comment up to five minutes each to comment on each of those
ordinances that we'll look to adopt. Uh normally we have mayor and council reports at the end of a normal business meeting. We will not have those tonight. And normally we we offer two opportunities outside of the ordinance adoptions. We offer two opportunities
for public comment. One up front, the one up front you'll hear about more in a second. Um that is open to items specific to tonight's agenda. Usually at the end of the meeting, we have a second opportunity for public comment to to ask
questions or make comments about anything period outside of the agenda as well. We will not have that second public comment opportunity. So, if any of you want to talk about any other issues that are not on the agenda, uh
you can save yourself some time and and you know, come back at our next meeting in December because we won't have that opportunity to talk too much. However, if it's on the agenda, you're welcome to add comments, uh questions, whatever you might have.
So, uh with that said, I'm going to move on with the agenda items. Um, we've completed roll call. So, we're moving to item five on the agenda, public comments and questions on agenda items only. And as I mentioned moments ago, up to uh up
to five minutes, and then at that point, a little bell will go off and we will ask you to to complete your comments. Um, and keep in mind, you will separately have an opportunity to discuss or ask comments or questions about either of the uh the two ordinances that we're going to going to
adopt. So, with that said, um, let's open it up to the public just for any comments about tonight's agenda. Yes, ma'am. >> Um, good evening, council members and Mr. Mayor. My name is Tia Den and I am a non-resident beach locker renter here to raise several concerns regarding the
proposed ordinance. I'm here today because I did not receive notice of this ordinance until Friday, November 21st. I did not receive prior notice despite how my interests will be affected by passage of this ordinance. My family had to wait several years for a beach locker, so I understand the frustration that residents of Bradley have expressed, but
passing this ordinance is not the right way to resolve this issue. The mayor indicated that he has always believed the public trust doctrine to apply here, and that understanding was absolutely correct. The public trust doctrine stands for the idea that the municipality does not own the beaches. Rather, the municipality owns the land
and trust for the common public. Under this doctrine, the general public has a guaranteed right to reasonable access to the trust lands to include recreational uses and accessibility beyond the foreshore to the beaches and the upper dry sand areas. I ask you to revisit your analysis on whether the public trust doctrine applies here because I
truly believe it does. In fact, I believe it applies in multiple ways. First, the beach lockers themselves are physically placed directly on sandy beach areas that are used for recreational activities such as beach volleyball. By physically placing these lockers on this area, you are taking up prime real estate belonging to the
general public. If you limit the usage of this space, it is no different than roping off a portion of the beach and saying it is from use by residents only. As you know, Alenhurst cannot limit their membership of their beach club to residents only. It's open to both residents and non-residents. It's the
law that the burrow cannot set aside part of the dry sand beach for use by residents only. Another issue is that the public trust doctrine requires that beach utilities funding and township general funding are accounted for separately. Beachfront revenues can only be used for beachfront related
expenditures. The municipality is not permitted to use beachfront revenues to pay for general township expenses. The law is that the municipality cannot operate the beach area as though it were a business for the sole benefit of the municipality's taxpayers. These these beach lockers were built and maintained
using beach utilities funding. I have not heard heard discussions on whether the general fund will be comp compensating beach utility funds for all 450 lockers that are being converted. The lockers are property or assets that belong to beach funding and by moving the property to the general fund, you
convert beach funded assets into general funding assets. If you do not properly compensate the beach utilities fund, that will be a misappropriation of beach utility funding for the sole benefit of Bradley taxpayers. This is similar to charging for beach parking and using those revenues to pay for general
funding items. That is what Belar did and they got into a lot of trouble for doing that. Further, I believe one council member noted that Kapper approval must be sought to place these lockers on the sand. I'd like to know if the bureau has reached out to D to review of this issue to determine if there are any public access requirements
the bureau has as a result of any permit approvals. I've reached out to D for inquiry. If the burough has not done so, I would request that council hold off on adopting this ordinance tonight and have someone contact D. There are two questions that I think that are being confused here. The first first seems to
be the question whether um you're required to provide beach lockers. The answer to that is no, you're not required to provide beach lockers. But that's not the question here because Bradley does in fact provide beach lockers. The issue here is since Bradley provides beach lockers and you use a
public um public space to house those lockers, is the per burrow permitted to discriminate between who can use those lockers? The answer is you cannot. Equal access is fundamental to the principles of the public trust doctrine. While the bureau is not required to provide amenities when it decides to bring
provide them, discrimination based on residency is not permitted. Finally, if this ordinance is passed, I believe the burrow will be in breach of the contract that the burrow has with all of the renters you're seeking to eject. There is a two fee structure of the beach lockers. The initial fee is substantially higher, and Councilman Noviki noted that this initial fee is
used to construct the locker. The mayor referred to this as a buyin. With this buyin, renters all have a property interest in the lockers, and under the terms of the contract with the burrow, the renters are specifically given a right of first refusal to renew the lease of the locker every year. By passing this ordinance, the burrow is not only breaching its end of the
bargain and violating the terms of the contract, it is also stripping ownership rights of the renters. Although it was mentioned previously that renters would receive their buyin money back, that has since been stripped away by the proposed ordinance. It is my understanding that council is relying on other towns doing this to justify what you're doing here.
I question whether you consider distinctions between what you do here and what goes on there. For instance, are those lockers standalone or are they an amenity provided as part of a beach club? Where are those lockers located? and did they use general funding or beach utility funding to pay for their lockers. These are all questions that
were not publicly considered in your prior meetings. Just because the other towns are doing it does not make it right, nor will it guarantee that the town will win in the event of a lawsuit. >> I conclude with a request that the council reconsider this ordinance and go back to do some further research and analysis. There are better ways to
resolve this problem and this is not the way to do it. Thank you, So, number one, thank you very much. Very succinct. And in a minute, I'm going to ask because I imagine many of you will raise similar issues, I'm going to ask our uh attorney, Mr. Gray Can to
speak to some of the points you raised. Um I I will ask a couple things. One is I understand you're you're very uh impassionate about this issue. I 100% understand. I'm still going to ask you to refrain from applauding or booing.
Uh, you know, you can shake hands and pat folks on the back if you would, but try to maintain the decorum just for our proceedings tonight. And John, you search. >> Yeah. Just what's your your address? We actually ask people to say their address. And I say it's emphasizing it's for everybody. If you haven't done this
before, just say name and address. >> Uh, my name is Tia Jin. I'm at 147 Cookman in Ocean Grove. Thanks. Thank you. >> Okay, great. Um, so again, many of you may have similar house, but Mr. Canon just to just to address some of the issues that this very eloquent speaker
uh made can you provide an overview of why you believe we are acting within the law and >> I mean very simply that uh the speaker forget the speaker did a very open job of explaining um the beach access rules and
what public trust doctrine is um the courts have held that parking and bathrooms which are two specific items that were noted by the speaker are uh necessary amenities um or things that in
relate directly to beach access. So obviously beach badges are highly regulated. There were certain discounts you can provide, certain rates you can provide, right? Um parking is a more recent example of a cur case that came down. They were not allowed to discriminate in parking fees also in the
Delmare case. And then bathrooms um the notion that the bathrooms are related to everyone because it's a many that's required as public health and other considerations. Those court cases have not been extended to other amenities. You heard the word beach club. There's a number of beach clubs that are resident
only, right? Um and these lockers um are an amenity provided by the tower. So um it's a and it's a double-edged sword, right? So that's the public policy behind beach access and open and equal access to everyone at the beach notwithstanding is controlled by a certain group of people in certain areas
aka the residents who govern and are given municipal control of the beach. The other side of that is and the courts have recognized this in the cases that were uh the case law the principles that were being spoused there. Um, if you require a municipality to provide every
single amenity that they have at the beach to every single person that goes to the beach, then that will that will naturally result in municipalities providing fewer amenities and a worse beach. And so, the courts have specifically not extended the public
access public trust to anything at this moment beyond parking and bathrooms. And so, the other amenities and not getting into the very detailed nuance or there's contract laws cited there too. I'm sure you know I'm not sure that's been fully
considered in the moment. Um but with respect to the public trust do action the court has not extended it to beach lockers or every single amenity at the beach. That's not that's not how not how the case law is developed and and and sitting here as of today it is is permissible to uh the ordinance in my
opinion that's legal and you can look to surrounding towns that have functionally the exact same ordinance. There's five of them um in within 10 miles that have that do exactly what you guys are is on the table to be done tonight. Um so you
know in that respect I'm comfortable. That being said um may the court extend it to beach lockers tomorrow or the next day or in the future. Uh the public trust option as was discussed by the speaker has been continually extended to include things other than just your traditional pay to right to actually
access the beach. You heard dry sand. There's been a difference between the meat to high tipline and sand and what is the public actually is responsible for and all those little nuances. Could these nuances change to include beach lockers in the future? Yes. I can't guarantee you that and I don't think any attorney can really guarantee you if
anything. That's our that's our business. I think um but uh you know that's where we're at today and it's a policy decision at its core. I think it is legal whether it's advisable um you know or whether there are other contract considerations that come into play as well for people who pay money and things
for their right that's being rescended you know those are separate questions but the public trust option I'm comfortable sitting here today that the court has not extended it to amenities and and and like I said the backside of that sword is if you have to give to everyone then naturally people kayak rentals will go away we have a surf camp
here right like so if we have to provide it to everyone um at the same price then that's going to stop a lot beach amenities and the courts have recognized that and the cases are specifically limited to those. Bathrooms and parking at the moment um are the two the two largest ones of public concern
particularly in the recent um disputes but these disputes are virtually annual and perennial just like the summer season. So like I said you know this is it's a policy decision for you guys. So, and the speaker raised a few other
quick questions. I I just want to address around finance. Um, the current lockers that exist have not been funded with beach utility funds. They've been privately contracted with folks in the burrow and outside of the burrow, but they have not been blended in any way. They've been very specifically
segregated from other beach utility revenues. Um, and costs, as many of you know, and I'll say this for the record for everybody else, costs within the Burma of Bradley Beach, uh, to to maintain these loggers, rebuild them, repair them, purchase new ones are also
assigned to the beach utility. I've already talked with our CFO if we were to move forward tonight with this. Um, we would have to take all of that activity, the revenue, and the cost out of the beach utility funding financing and move it into the current funds. So,
um, just to try to address some of the points you made, um, I think what you're going to find, and I don't want to curtail any of this conversation, but what you're going to find is this group sitting here, we are not the legal experts. So, you can make your arguments
and Mr. Canon will certainly take them all into account, but we are being told that this is something that is our decision that uh favoring residents over non-residents is not um
is allowed. It's not prohibited under the public trust doctrine. So if that is in fact the legal status, what the rest of us are doing here tonight is just determining knowing that as a fact, what is in the best interest of Bradley Beach
residents? So I know that sounds harsh. We serve Bradley Beach residents. I'm speaking really for myself. That's the crux of the decision for me. It's not about what's fair, what's right, what it it's it's what my opinion I'm a I'm a
mayor, but whether it's mayor or council, we serve rather. So just understand if you want to make legal arguments, we're going to have to deal with Mr. Canon. Other questions about finance, by all means, I'll do my best to answer. So with that said, sir, please. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. I stood up in front of everybody. No, that's fine. Since we're
beach lockers, mine was short and sweet. That I won't stay and listen to everybody else. >> But mine is less less technical, but main I'll take your >> My name is Robert Oaks. I live at 62 Clark Avenue, Ocean Grove.
>> And uh I sat in the clarion the other day, had a little break in the action, and I uh came up with this. Um again, my name is Robert Oaks. Me and my entire large family have been coming to Kent Avenue Beach for 60 years now. Uh we
still have the same lifeguard who now is a captain on our beach. My son grew up on this beach as now my three-year-old grandson does. Uh we love this family oriented beach and have met many friends and acquaintances. One of my yearly
Christmas gifts is to buy uh beach badges for everyone in my immediate family. I have four older sisters who come with their children and their children's children. Uh the beach locker has been a blessing since day one it was established. I've had one at least from
the very first year it was offered. I was able to fit seven chairs and four beach umbrellas in a locker with a three-year-old and four sisters in their late 70s and early 80s. It made it possible for all of us to get together much easier than trying to cart all this
stuff uh down there. Uh like my when my son was young, it was like a donkey carrying all stuff down. But um I request that there could be a grandfather clause where we could continue to lease and you build new ones for residents as well. Along with this
proposal, no new lockers will be issued to non-residents from this point on. Worst case scenario, I would like to take advantage. I think there's a one-year extension of the current renters's um uh adoption in this
proposal. Um, that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Other comments or questions? Mr. >> Peanut, this is the agenda part. Mayor, I just had a question about uh the bond
ordinance. Um, apparently it looks like you uh you're rejecting the bids tonight for the for the bathrooms and session. As you're possibly aware, we had an earlier bond ordinance uh for half a million dollars. We anticipated the bids for the
construction would be well below that. And in fact, the low bid was 632,000 more than we had bonded for. So, this is an amendment to the earlier bond ordinance, increasing our ability to borrow to >> and then based on based on that loss of
time, will it be open for the summer? Uh we're going to make sure we do everything in our power to not interrupt the summer beach activity. The hope is depending on how bids come through and how weather cooperates. Uh we'll have
phases to construction. We have to fill in some sellers or vaults. I'm looking at our engineer. Um we can do that. It's underground work first. uh that also requires removing uh you know
pipes and materials. We at a minimum we can get that done during the winter months. Then the question is the the conversion to bathrooms. If we can't get that done before Memorial Day, we'll probably put that off. My hope is we'll be able to do it before Memorial Day.
>> Okay. And then the authorizations for the sale of the lots, I only see three. >> One is already closed. >> Oh, okay. And those three remain open at this point. >> You anticipate that to be this calendar year, >> Mr. Chair? Yes, we do. And what's your
timing at this point? >> I'm hoping within the next two weeks. I'm hoping to get uh I have two lined up for early week after Thanksgiving. And I have one that I thought was going to close tomorrow. Um if I can get connected to the internet here, I can
see what emails arrive tomorrow. >> Thanks so much. Yes, sir. >> Hello. My name is Bill Kelly. I'm 9 Avenue in Neptune City. >> Um, and full disclosure, I've been on the waiting list three years. Oh, this
is about lockers. Um, so I'll start by saying I mean I totally get it, right? I understand it's a challenging position you're in. If I was a Bradley Beach resident, I would want a locker. So, I kind of totally get that. I guess my question and maybe you guys have already done the due diligence on this is instead of the proposition being
exclusive restrictive meaning just putting the arms around who can have it. Has it been thought and consideration given to expanding it where towns like Bradley Beach and others are always dying to get more revenue and not raise taxes. So, has the been consideration
given to allowing people that are on the waiting list that are outside Neptune City, outside Bradley and are have lockers that are outside Bradley to remain and adding more lockers and charging more money for residents that are not part of Bradley Beach. Has that
been considered and thought through? >> Yes. Uh the the quick answer, and by the way, you hear about the 10,000th person who's asked that question. >> Okay. So sorry. >> No, no, not at all. It's such an obvious question. Anyone else? I imagine everyone else is probably thinking that.
>> Um I asked this question before I was on the council five or six years ago, right? >> Um >> our Bradley Beach's challenge is we have some additional space on the beach itself. >> The winter I've done some research. The winter storage is the challenge right
now. Are all 5 there's 500 lockers today? >> All those 500 lockers were in that parking lot on Ocean and Kent. >> Yes. So the challenge is not on the beach, right? The challenge is the winter storage. And to really annoy a lot of the
residents that come to this town and spend money, non-residents, we can't the the issues, and I'm being sarcastic, the issue is not being able to find a place to put another 300 lockers in the winter. That's the challenge. >> That is the challenge. And by the way,
again, we had to we had to decide before we entered the, you know, the season where we're selling beach badges and everything. >> Sure. But, uh, we are still exploring are there properties that we can rent outside of Bradley Beach to make it cost effective. But, but yes,
as simple as it sounds. Okay. >> That's our challenge right now that we don't have. >> And there's 500 lockers and 300 people or so on the waiting list. Right. >> So, in the I'm just here in the uh outside the parking lot on Ocean Avenue. That
same amount of space, why couldn't we cordon that all? And it's not be used a lot in the winter. Why can't lockers be put there? >> Because you don't live there. >> Yeah. >> You know, I live there. I live there. I look at >> Right. So, so it really comes down to winter storage. Winter storage.
>> People have thoughts and ideas. We're talking to other municipalities. Can we rent space there and and can we rent it, you know, economically so it's not costing the bur money, >> but um but it's really not about trying to create more of a profit. We
historically this has been merged with the beach utility. It doesn't help our >> resto right there involved, right? So to that point, how do we know how many non-residents are currently have walkers and how many are on the waiting list? approximately
>> we we know approximately do not hold me to this because Bradley Beach hasn't always tracked that because it didn't matter. >> Right. Right. Right. >> But but roughly we estimate that there could be uh out of 500 plus lockers there could be 200 folks that are outside Bradley. >> Perfect. That was the number I used. So
So that was so so 20% around 20%. Right. >> So around 40 >> 20 out of 500. >> Oh I was thinking of the 800. Sorry I was thinking of the 500 plus the plus. There's another 40% on the waiting list, >> right? Cuz I just did the math and like a non-resident myself, if I got called,
I would pay $800. I would pay $800, right? I mean, there's literally people that would stand outside in the rain today to give money to the town. And towns are always looking for new revenue. And the challenge is we can't figure out a place for 300 season.
>> That really is the challenge. I I I've spent hours for everybody's benefit, truly hours working with our uh DPW supervisor. Uh there's all these logistical challenges about the use of heavy equipment and where you you can't even drive on roadways. That really is our challenge at the moment.
>> I mean, that's $200 times 200 more lockers, that's 40 grand that town could use >> plus renewal fee. You're making it $50 extra per person, not residence for renewal fee. That's another $10,000. It just seems like for all the bad will
that's being created by this, as Mr. Weber pointed out, people that won't come to the town, it can raise revenue. It can make people happy, and we just need to figure out a way to store them. >> And I I love this council. Trust me, I love this council. Jane's a great
neighbor. She lends me stuff. I love your ocean preservation stuff. I love seeing you at uh uh Il Postto. And I promise my Neptune City neighbors not to let Bradley Beach residents have a park four blocks away uh in the restaurant. But kidding aside,
>> to your point, it's that simple. It really is that simple. We would love to uh provide lockers all we would love to have extra money in our coffers in Bradley Beach. It's not it's truly not about it's if you come up with a good idea for storing
these slers that our DPW says they can they can use they can move them on appropriate roadways with appropriate heavy equipment and all the issues that they face. Um it would be something I haven't heard before. >> Yeah. Okay. I mean just >> well just the people with cars and vans
and houses across the country and figure out that we can't figure out a way to put a couple hundred lockers somewhere in the offse. >> Can can I just Bradley is 6 mile in size. We are a tiny town. Probably the only town immediately near us is is so
some of these other towns have much more space to store. >> Totally. So to that point, maybe I'm missing something. Does it have do they have to be stored on town property in the offse? >> They don't have to be. We we could rent space, but it takes up so much space. They can't be stacked, >> right?
>> Okay. So you you're you're taking a lot of space and if someone wants to charge us $100,000 and we can earn 50,000 then we can >> Okay. So So that Thank you. So it comes down to the the storage and and I and I so sure somebody's thinking well if we add the 300 people on the waiting list
500 more people are going to want it. So selflessly let's say stop people that are on the waiting list and let let that happen. But okay so it's wow it's just storage. >> Anyone come up with good ideas please. >> Thank you. I appreciate appreciate it. >> Mr. Mayor, was there supposed to be a
time limit on this discussion? >> Yes. And and I'll I'll try to uh adhere to that better. People are asking questions that I think everybody else wants to hear answers to. So, I'm talking normally. Normally, I just let you talk. Five minutes are up. You sit down. I'm trying to help the process by
>> Yes, sir. You pointing at me in the back. All right. Give me a second here. Ref Kaplan 409 Burnley. I actually was going to speak to the parking tonight and I'm happy to come back and speak about that if it's closed there in the meeting. But something Mr. Mayor you
just said struck me. You said it's not about being fair. Your primary concern is the residents of this town. That's true. But if I may, let's not forget non-residents are enormously important to Bre. Main Street is nothing without non-residents. There are enough people
in in town to sustain the fantastic Main Street that we have. Non-residents pour millions of dollars into our beaches. I'm sure there are non-residents in this room who spend way more money in the economy in Bradley Beach than I do sitting on my porch or sitting in my backyard. So yes, your primary
responsibility is to the residents of this town, but your responsibility also is to make sure that we have open and happy communications with non-residents who continue coming to this town, giving us their money and everything else. So thanks. I'll be back when traffic comes
along. Thank you. >> Yes. >> I'll get to the folks on Zoom in a minute or two. Hi, my name is Zerman. 23 years ago, I retired. >> Bought a house on Ocean Park Avenue and
I've lived here full time since then. >> I've had a locker since they were offered and I guess my only complaint and it's kind of petty, but when I first got my locker, there were a handful of them. It was wonderful. You know, I had to walk two steps to my locker. Now that
I'm 83, I have a stroke. I have to walk halfway down to the next beach to get full. And I just think for the amount of taxes we pay, I love this town dearly. I I sort of got here by accident, thank God, and I'm enjoying it intensely, but
I think that we need to pay attention to the residents to give them full value for what we pay in taxes. And you know that that's just my opinion. But like I said, it gets harder and harder to walk to my locker, the older I get and
particularly since I had a stroke and I don't qualify. I don't want a handicap locker. I'm able to walk, but it's just it's getting kind of ridiculous with the number of lockers out there. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you everyone for taking your time out to listen to this. um kind of controversial topic. Um I don't usually go on to Facebook very much and I'm like, "Oh my god, it was it it's pretty wild the comments that were there to the last woman. >> I just address Gore
>> 840 4th Avenue, Neptune City." >> Okay. And I'm sorry, what was your name? >> Ann G o r. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. >> Um I couldn't move. I moved to this area six years ago. Wanted to live in Bradley
Beach. That was my focus and couldn't find a home that I didn't have to buy at my rate and then raise it. Right? So I did the next best thing. I went to live in the condos in Bradley Park which is across the street. Memorial Avenue divides me and that is what divides keeps me from being but when I ask
somebody where do I live? I live in Bradley. Bradley Beach. I live in Bradley. That's what I tell people. So mayor I I I I took umbrage with your It's not about what's fair. It's only about our people. I thought that was a little tough to hear, but I understand
it. But to the last gentleman's conversation, I'm here 12 months out of the year. I I rarely go anywhere else but patronize Bradley Beach, you know, um, establishments and I bring all my friends and neighbors and they're like,
"This is just such a lovely town." And so commerce is a huge part of your industry. And there runs that risk of what's fair and what's right. And I understand the need that the the last woman said something is I use my tax
dollars. These are not tax dollars. The Bradley Beach lockers have nothing to do with your tax dollars. They're an auction. And um I would also say somebody ought to give an allowance to her. like that ought to be somebody ought to have a contact for her to be able to be placed closer rather than
further down the beach with or without the handicap. There have to be medical exceptions. But to me, I I think what would be helpful would be if you could go back. I had to sign a contract. Those contracts, you have them all. They all say where people live. It would be very helpful to find out how many people
actually are in stayings instead of saying I think it's 20. I think it's 15. I think of that. But I moved here six years ago, knew I was staying in Bradley Beach. Put my name on the locker weight list and I'm on 4th Avenue after waiting for three years. Apparently on Facebook,
people are saying they're waiting 10, 12, 15 years. I don't know that that weight list is going to be any helpful, more helpful for them because they're apparently on a beach that doesn't move. Like nobody's leaving those areas. So I feel very blessed that I got a beach locker. Um, oftentimes I take my buggy
and I walk the eight blocks, but I am so blessed to be in this area. So, as a local, I think it I think you need to give some some views to how you're going to handle this and not tick off everybody in the world, right? There's, you know, I literally I don't I walk to all my
restaurants. I'm very happy not going anywhere else. And I know that there's plenty of other people that are like me, not only in my own town home community, but I know other people that have lived in other communities. So, I really think yes, your your diligence is to your people, but your people are also the
extended locals who are supporting your community and and if you can't find it in your hearts to figure out a way or can't figure out, I'm happy. I'm I do research and data analysis all day long and I don't belong to your town, but I would be happy to help you do some diligence if it meant that you could
find someplace to put those lockers for storage. There has to be a way to do that. Um, and that way you you'll be able to balance, you know, residents and non-residents. If it comes down to it and you can't see it to say I'm going to maybe charge a a higher fee for people
that are out of town or I'm going to keep it the same and get, you know, take people from both sides of the uh all sides of the um forum. Okay. If that's the way it goes, okay, I wouldn't be happy. But I would really ask, could we be grandfathered in? We've been here. We've got our notes. We got
our stuff. I paid my $575 in 2023 to get on the list and I pay my $200 or whatever. I think it's $200 a month a year. I again, if you need to make a differential between residents and non-residents on the use of that facility, like the other gentleman said,
I don't think people would be highly upset knowing that they can still keep a locker. Um, I would like to find out how many on item B3 on your on your um, ordinance, it talks about how many people are renting lockers that are, you know, they have multiple properties and
they have a lock multiple lockers. I I think that that's something we should have done a long time ago. There should only be one person having a locker, not, you know, I own five homes and I'm going to get it for all five. I think that's a very clear place to start right away. even even if you don't settle this um
discussion tonight because I think with the number of people you have in this room I don't think you can make your decision tonight and if you can then the the use of this meeting was feudal right um so to me I'd like you to come back and tell us how many people live here
how many people don't live here how many people had the the B the B3 number come prepared with stats people People need stats they need to know what places have you looked at how much money would it cost us to do those things? All of those things are ways that in a business world
we make decisions. We don't just come in and say we we feel this or we can't do that. There has to be a way to get around this problem. And however you do that, I would ask that you not make a decision on adopting this ordinance tonight until you've done further due diligence. Thank you so much for your
time. >> Thank you for your comments in the back. I get you done. >> I'm not going anywhere. Hi, I'm Eileen Tom. I'm from Tom River in Ocean County. Uh I am 60 years old.
My parents had a house on the cave. Uh I'm born in May. They bought it in April. So for my entire life, we've been coming to Bradley Beach. My family sold their house um maybe 20 years ago. Still to this day, the entire family comes to
Bradley Beach. Every uh as soon as I can take off of work, I come then. But every weekend, we're here as an entire family, friends. Bradley Beach has been our life. I live in Ocean County. There's a ton of beaches there. And you know, they're pretty popular. I want nothing
to do with it. But when I read this and I'm I had the locker, it's on the waiting list. I want to say 10 years ago. Waited two years, got lucky, got the locker. My mom is now 83 and when she comes to the beach herself, she's not wherever she finds a parking spot,
she's not lugging her chair and her lunch to the beach. It's very easy. It's right there. She'll sit right by the dunes and and everybody will be happy. I can stay at work and know that she's safe. In regards to the lockers, now I
understand you want to please the residents, but there's on all the streets there's a right side and a left side. Eventually get to all of the right side being residents, all of the left being non-residents. As you go through
the list, I heard earlier we paid double when we first got the locker and we are contracted. The words were you can have it for life as long as you pay it every year. Well, my life is not over. But it's telling in this rule now it's
saying just because I no longer have a property in Bradley Beach, my life will change completely. I mean, I look forward to I heard somebody say the Christmas presents for the badges. That's what we do. That that's Bradley is our life. reading that email.
I don't want to say, let's just say it's very upsetting to everybody. So, if it means the stories, which that was the first time I've heard that, can you leave them? They're on this side of the dunes and repair them as you go
down the block. So, this way they're there. And I understand you have to repair them each year and take care of that. Um, can we add maybe a little to the left, to the right? like I've seen the shapes every year of where the lockers are are changing to get to the
additional 300 that we need right now. Um is one question. The other is when I've heard this summer. I've heard 2027. I've heard a couple of times when this if it passes or when it will go into
effect. Um I know my initial thought was rather not have the same spot in my heart. So that's my question. >> So understand and you know and and I
respect the amount of time your family your whole family history has devoted to beach. Um, regarding uh the number of lockers um roughly there there is space on you know where the existing lockers
are we could add more lockers. We've talked about this myself and the DPW director that we you know to be to be safe we could probably add 100 lockers maybe 120 you know that kind of rate so we would not
get 300 but we could add lockers. problem is we can't store them. >> So, it's going to keep coming back. That's I'd be the first I think I think I can speak for everyone on this. We would unanimously vote to add more
lockers and and charge more money um if we could store them. So, I know that sounds overly simplistic. That truly is the issue. So, um, we do have some additional space on the beach, not enough to 300, but we could at least add 100 plus more if we had storage. And if
we can find more storage and we could add more lockers, but as I mentioned earlier, that's been a challenge over the past few weeks. So, some of the beaches have a little bit more space on this side of the dunes and and I understand what you're saying, but um you know, you could get pallets, lay them down on the pallets and then store
them in that aspect, but pallets are not expensive aspects. Um it's just I I'm not understanding why non-residents who have been paying for years are possibly going to get booted out of
rental of the lockers or the storage. Okay. That That's the part I don't >> We can't protect them if we built them. We >> They're on this side of the dunes. That That dude's amazing with >> But you're suggesting we leave them out all all winter.
>> We don't do that now. >> I know. >> They are out all winter. They're on the far left. >> Can you tell me the time period that you want to put this into effect? This summer, next summer, >> everyone who has a lock that would wants to renew it would be able to renew it
through this summer. for the following year. So, everyone would be good through 2026, but for beach soccer for 27 only residents would be would be able to spell your last name.
>> Uh, it's my first name is I L E N, >> right? Oh, I Okay, >> thank you. >> C O H N. >> Thank you. Dun Greenberg, 302 Parkplace Avenue, Bradley Beach. Uh I'm going to come back to the legal aspect, probably not as
eloquently as the first speaker, but uh I believe you guys should uh vote no on this locker ordinance, which is up to final approval today. Uh I believe the ordinance comes down for two reasons. I believe the ordinance comes down on the wrong side of the public trust doctrine, contrary to what Learned Council says. I
disagree with him. um and the rulings of previous court cases cases on beach access. Uh number two, it's wrong to disenfranchise longtime members of our summertime community just because they don't live here. So legally, uh I
believe this violates the tenant of not discriminating against non-residents in matters of public beach access and amenities. Three points on this one. NJS 1074 passed in 2018-19 which is the codification of the public trust
doctrine in New Jersey. Um while it does not specifically mention beach lockers as an amenity, it does not specifically exclude them either. What it says in section 1F and I'm just going to read the relevant part is and the necessary
support amenities to facilitate public access for all including and this is the important part but not limited to not limited to public parking and restrooms. It is this not limited to portion that is important in
that it opens the possibility for other amen amenities to be considered as well as parking and restrooms like beach lockers. Uh I also believe this violates settled law on resident versus non-resident discrimination um to be considered as well as parking
and restrooms. So it violates Neptune vers Avon which is the seminal case on public access and what it says in Neptune vers Avon. We are convinced it has to and it has to follow that while municipalities may validly charge
reasonable fees for the use of their beaches, they may not discriminate in any respect between their residents and not residents. Let me repeat that. In any respect, in any respect would include beach lockers. The meaning of the phrase
in any respect would seem to me to open up the inclusion of amenities such as beach lockers and the non-discrimination prohibition against non-residents since to use the lockers you must use the beach where the lockers will sit on sand
paid by paid for by every single taxpayer in the country considering most beach replenishment dollars are federal. So everybody in the country paid for that sandas on Bradley Beach. Okay. So, you can't discriminate against non-residents because it's public. It's
in the public trust. Um, lastly on the legal front is if the town decides to deposit locker payments directly into the general fund, I believe this would violate settled case law in the form of Susco versar and which stated in a parking issue um,
and I'll read that under the limited circumstances of this case, we agree that with the trial court that parking fees and here's the important part charged only for beachfront parking and nowhere else in the burrow. constituted beach fees. So while this
particular case refers to parking, it also fits the description of beach locker fees as they are charged for it to paraphrase only on the beach and nowhere else in the burrow. Okay? You can't just change the account you put the money in and think that changes the
use and where the money comes from. It still comes from a beach locker that sits on the beach which is held in the public trust. Um, so if indeed these beach fees for beach So indeed if these are beach fees for the beach locker that sit on the
public beach replenished with public dollars and I believe they are, you cannot discriminate between residents and non-residents for access to those lockers without the possibility in my opinion of opening up a town hall for a lawsuit. So that's my legal ideas on the
matter. Um, as far as being fair, while I believe that I'm correct in the legal area, um, I'll admit that the D is probably not coming after Bradley Beach on this issue. Is there a bigger fish to fry on the beachfront access on beach access, right? Um,
will one of the non-residents who lose their locker of this or if this ordinance passes sue? Who's to say? But judging by the turnout, it might happen. Uh, what I will say though is that this ordinance is inherently unfair to those non-residents who have been members of
our summertime community for years and in some cases decades and generations. In other cases, they are former residents who just can't afford to live in Bradley anymore, but still love the beach here. And to be clear, these are community members whether they own
property here or not. They're part of our community. These are folks that choose I got like >> It's okay. >> Yeah. These are folks that choose to make Bradley their summer vacation home and beach community. They are an essential part of both the social and
financial fabric of our town. I know this is not the intent of the council. I I mean I know all of you on the days you all have the best interest of the town at heart. But to kick the non-residents out of their lockers, some held for decades, and to disenfranchise one set of community members to
advantage another set of community members to me is just wrong. And again, I know this is not your intent. I know you're trying to look out for our residents, but I say to you that these non-resident Beach locker holders are every bit as much of our Bradley Beach
summer community as residents are. And we should not value them less. If we pass this resolution, we will probably lose those folks as members of our community because who wants to go where they're not wanting? So, I ask you to either vote no on this
ordinance, table it, and come up with a better solution, or at the very least, grandfather those non-residents already holding lockers because they are indeed a part of our community. >> Thank you. >> Bradley Beach. Um, the reason I'm here
is to oppose the ordinance on beach lockers. And I want to thank Mr. Greenberg who articulated exactly what I was going to say. And I want to mention a a brief story. About five or six years ago, I uh went out to the beach and set
my chair up on a very hot day. It was like 90 something degrees. And uh anyway, I sat in my beach chair and I wound up getting up to go inside and I uh actually I face planted into the sand
that was uh in a sense saved by one of our uh speaker predecessors who uh gave me water, walked me inside and and uh they've become friends ever since. Uh, so I I just want to mention, you know,
they're not residents in Bradley Beach. They have a locker up between uh Evergreen and uh and Second Avenue. And uh you know, they they I know for a fact that they come with as many as 10 residents, uh two or three cars, and uh
along with their 83y old mother who is, you know, hardly able to she can't carry her own her own beach chair. And uh I I know for a fact that they go to restaurant, they come to the b the bonfire, they they go to restaurants,
they get their gas in Bradley Beach, uh use our uh you know, other restaurants as well. So, you know, I hope uh that the council pays attention to uh you know, what I'm saying, Mr. Greenberg, and some of the others have said. And uh
um let's see, the other the other point that I want to make uh Mr. Greenberg also made that point. I haven't spoke with him in a while. You know, he's he's made that the point, the legal point that he's that he's made and I think that uh uh that that the courts uh
unfortunately have to deal with this issue and I hope they don't. Um but uh I think they might come down on the side that has been well spoken here. So, thank you very much for >> Thank you. Wait a minute.
>> Finish this first. Put it down here. Rona Parker, 27 Atlantic Avenue. Um, I think that it is very unwelcoming and not the image and not the friendly approach that we
and Bradley want to give to others who are coming here. I don't speak for the business community obviously, but people who come who have paid money for lockers, who have paid
money for their badges, also frequent all of our restaurants, all of our stores. And at the same time, I certainly don't speak for the environmental commission, which I serve on, but I would like to anecdotally tell
you about people who come for the annual beach sweeps, and say when we ask for the address, oh, I don't live here, but I love your beach. I come to your beach all the time, and that's why I come here because I want to clean it up. So,
please reconsider. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes, sir. >> Hello, council. Uh, my name is Brendan Harrison. I live at 103 Brinley Avenue. Um, I just have like one question and then a comment. Um, so in terms of right
now in the summertime, the lockers are towards the end of the dunes at the entrances to get on the beach. Is the reason that they're not just that they're stored in the parking lot is is due to storms. Correct. So, could they could they just be moved towards the center of the dune that I mean, correct
me if I'm wrong, but the only storm I can think of in recent times that have completely breached the dunes as Sandy. So, could they just be, you know, does you know what I mean? Sometimes when we get a storm or a big swell, the entrances get a little flooded, but could we just move the dunes, I mean, move the the lockers closer towards the
middle of the dune for protection? >> I know the answer is no, but Unless mysterious. >> I'm pretty sure we can't leave the lockers on the beach um because the caffer rules, the state rules like they say. All right, in summer you can put stuff out on the beach. Other towns do
different things besides lockers. Uh but you got to move it off the beach in the winter because of storms. Um you know, I appreciate the creative thinking. Don't this doesn't mean that I'm in favor of changing this because I'm not. Uh but I think it's because of the state. Short
answer. >> Yeah. No, fair enough. I was just thinking about different places to put them. >> Yeah, one other thought I had was maybe um you know, non-residents can pay an extra fee if you guys are able to come up with some storage outside of the town or something like that to just account for you know extra um fees or whatever,
but okay. So, I'll just move into my comment. Um so, yeah, I'm uh lived in Brin Brinley or I lived in Bradley Beach for about 20 years, more than half my life. I moved here when I was 18 years old. I've been paying rent ever since. I'm 38 now. Um, I love this town. I
started, let's see, I met my wife here. I got married in this very room. Uh, started a family. So, you know, and then just to watch rent, housing prices soar, the the thought of us being able to live the rest of our lives here is probably
winding. So, the thought that I I won't be able to have a beach locker in the future, you know, is like a tough pill to swallow. Um, there's a lot of people my age that have spent majority of their lives living in this town that can't afford it anymore that still come here
every summer all year round, put money into the restaurants, you know, surf, fish, walk the boardwalk, bike here, participate in all the community events that are going to be excluded from having beach lockers. You know, they they may come here for generations as well. So, I think it's a
little um unfair in that regard. Like I said though, I'm a resident, but I still think it's not right if I ever have to move out of here. I've been on the the waiting list for about five years myself, and I haven't had a problem with it. I figured, you know, it is a privilege. Everybody's It's open to everybody. I plan on coming to Bradley
whether I live here or not for the rest of my life. So, when I get it, I get it. Um, you know, it's just having patience. So, um, I think, you know, there's been a lot of talk about grandfathering. I don't think that's going to solve your problem because it's not going to get the waiting list moving and it's not
going to address people that might be in my situation or my generation like like I just outlined. Um yeah, and like I said, I think there's just a huge community of people here that contribute to this town that aren't residents. Maybe they once were, maybe they'll be
residents again, but I just don't think excluding others, like I I've heard a lot of talk about um you know, wanting to give back to the residents. But I I think there's plenty of other ways you can think of as a council to give back to residents without excluding an
opportunity from from people that are still part of our community, but not here anymore. So that's all I got. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Other questions in the room, yes, sir, or comments. >> Good evening. I'm Frank Crossley, 310 and a half Bley Avenue.
I think it's probably expected that everyone who's going to lose a locker is going to post the the ordinance. I I'm one of the people in Raleigh Beach. I've owned the home for 18 years. And I don't think a lot of people came
here that are in my situation because I've been on the waiting list in Bradley Beach for probably over five years and I've been stuck on number two for the last two years. So I've hearing stories about excuse me don't kill me over this
non-residents waiting the year which is what I was told when I first put my name on the list uh that already have lockers somewhere. Well, I think it's important for you to listen to the Bradley community that the
residents in town. And I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation, but I uh I was basically excited when I saw the suggestion of changing the ordinance to benefit people. Of course, we don't want to see anybody really have a hardship,
but there's an enormous amount of people that are in my position. And you know, 18 years ago when I bought the when we bought a home here, it wasn't a big deal for me to to have a locker because I just cart everything over to the beach. But, you know, I'm a couple months older
than that, you know, and it's more of a mission for me. So, I appreciate you and I urge you to vote for the proposal. Thank you. Thank you, sir. The first thing that I would like Lauren Eggbert 404 and a half Brinley Avenue. The first
thing that I would like to say is that whenever all of you consider what is good for the people of Bradley, please consider paramount what is good and fair because it is not good for anybody in this town
for our town to take collective action which is not good or not fair. That puts us in a really bad position in so many ways. And when I see this gentleman who very much would benefit
from a locker being a resident, it makes me think of maybe um creative ways to decide what might be most good and most fair. Um, I'm I'm not I would ask you please to vote no on the
ordinance the way it's presently written and to really think very carefully and consult very carefully before you pass an ordinance like this separating us from the people in the towns around us at all.
You know, right now I I can carry my things to the beach, and I think carrying them to the beach is likely to keep me more able as I get older because I'm exercising my muscles and my feet.
So, um, and I was particularly saddened that any organization or place that I belong to would make a representation and a promise to people like the one that was in our standing
ordinance and then say, "You know what? It's a new game in town in Bradley now, and we're going to make sure our residents are taken care of." And our able-bodied residents are going to come before any of you who may have become elderly while you were on your waiting
list and when you made your deposit and while you've been paying. And I thought, we don't know the circumstances of the people who are on that list. Could there be somebody who's been caring for a relative for the last three summers, but
kept spending their $200 for the summer that they might be able to come back and go to the beach at Bradley? And I thought when I was when I was little, you know, we lived in we lived in Hull. Our my grandparents, you know,
my mother were they were ocean rovers forever. Ocean Grove is on the beach. We happen to have a locker that like you could stand up in and you could, you know, and there were showers and the whole thing. Um, and I'm not see if somebody had just taken that away
retroactively. I mean, it might have been okay if it was always that way. I don't know. But for somebody to take it away retroactively, it'd be like being kicked off your beach. I mean, that was our beach. Do you know what I mean? you have an emotional attachment and I don't
really want to see people damaged in my name. I don't want that. I don't want that to happen. And I do think that the breach of contract potential is huge. And by the way, we could have three or four lawsuits that
don't prevail. We still have to start out defending them. That's still money. So, I'm not sure that benefits the residents of Bradley Beach. So, um and and I do think there's an access issue,
particularly when you consider that some of the people that have those lockers probably can't get to the beach if they don't have. So, let's think about how we can make this a better community, a warmer community, a more loving community, a stronger community. Thank
you very much. >> Thank you very much. Thomas. Yes, sir. >> Gregory Smith, 506 Ocean Park Avenue. I just want to reiterate what this gentleman in the back said. We've been down, my wife and I have been down here
10 years between Asbury Park and Bradley. We've we've been coming down since I can remember. Done the same. Four years ago when we bought him Bradley, we didn't think anything of it. Put our name on the list. Four years
later, he's number two. I don't even know what number on the list. I just want to, you know, not get any younger. Just want to be able to walk down the beach, enjoy the beach just like everybody else. But I don't hear many people from Brady speaking up. People are in my predicament. I'm sure there
are a lot of people that are on a list. People have lockers for 20 years, 30 years. I don't know. Maybe she wrote them out. Rotate them out. 500 this year, the next year, the next 500. Just rotate them out. If you don't have a locker for one year, what's a big
deal? But I just want to know how many people are on that list on the waiting list. Does anybody know? >> Less counts. 333. >> 33. >> So I must be I don't know when he got >> You want to build a locker? You can put
it on my front lawn. Leave it. All right. Put it on my pickup and I'll take it down. It's not punch. There's something that's got to be done. Is there any ordinance or any law to say how high those lockers can be? >> Our ordinance states a specific
>> I saw I saw it in the in the you know, but is there any state law or federal law that says it can only be so high? It can only be four feet. >> I would imagine it's cap or permit. >> So I I would I would believe that the ordinance matches whatever the road is cap or permit. I see the engineer on the
council shaking his >> not official engineer but I would I suspect it would be a calf how we pered for them a little narrower you know said three you could put four >> I don't know
>> that's not my departmentation >> put in my front line >> thank you for your Yeah, you know questions from the room. Yes, sir. >> Hi, uh Ted W 604. So, um yeah, no, not too many people are speaking up in favor of this and I was
really wasn't going to talk, but I'm just going to give it a little bit of a go here. Um we've only been here for about four years, but as soon as we bought, we put in a request. I think we were number 17 or 18 on the list when we entered. Um, as of the other day, we're
13 after almost four years. Um, we have a house that doesn't have a driveway. So, if our grandkids and kids come down and we've got all this stuff and we have to drive down to the beach, we're probably not going to have a parking space when we come back without
being whatever a block away from the house. So people from out of town can park right there on the beach, assuming there's places, you know, down at the end where you are around Fourth Avenue, Fifth Avenue spot, it looks like there's usually spots. So if you don't have a
locker, you you've got that little bit to walk. It's probably another 100 yards than having a locker, right, to get your stuff to the beach. Um I'm, you know, I'm on the 600 block, so it's a good walk to get down there. So I I don't like the idea of being unfair people.
Well, I don't know what the answer is, but I'm on 13 after four years and I know it comes out of each fund. It's not public funds, but I'm paying a couple thousand dollars every quarter for property taxes. So, I would like a
solution of some kind. I'd like to try to be fair to people. I'd like to look for creative solutions, but uh I'd rather not die before I get a deep. Thank you for your comments. Others in
the room for comment or question. >> Let me let me introduce our student to be council member. Councilman elect Mitch Cart. I have no idea what Mitch is going to say, but we do ask him to sit here so he can get a sense for what it's like to be sitting
for now. I'm over here. >> You are. >> Anyway, Mitch Cart, 303rd Avenue in Bradley. So, when this first came out, um, you know, somebody discovered that, hey, do you know that in Avon and other towns they're able to do this? And then
it was like this light bulb went off. It's like, wow, we should do that, too. That sounds great. I have I was on a wait list for eight years before I got a locker. I've been here for about 20 years. Um, and I know friends of mine who are still on the waiting list um,
after eight or nine years since uh, they've moved here. And uh so it seemed like a great idea. So it's like let's if we can do something that benefits the people of Bradley Beach um then that's what we should do. Um uh
I'm hearing things that are resonating with me. um where maybe it's not just the residents of Bradley Beach that should be considered but we have I mean we we talked about the ordinance um talks about employees of Bradley Beach
about our first responders um they the value that they add to this town and the benefit that they can see from this ordinance and I see some of that in the non-residents and what they've brought to the town and so I guess I'd feel a little more comfortable
able if I were sitting up there making this decision knowing that I exhausted every possibility to find a solution. I've heard things about certainly you
resonate like storage that's really the problem that's really what's causing this that we can't create 300 more lockers so we could if we could find a storage solution. to find you in my heart that we exhausted that that we
were able to say we looked everywhere. I I want to say that when I first moved here, we were storing them in like the DPW lot >> and I don't know is there a reason that we don't do that now? Is something changed? >> Yes. A few things. One is um we're
required to use heavy equipment to to take them down the road. >> Uh that was not traffic safe. They were overized vehicles. We weren't allowed legally to do it. >> Right. Okay. >> Um and we're going to use that lot in
foreseeable future >> uh to to move our DPW facility there. >> So to come up with a temporary solution back >> because I thought about because I heard about heavy equipment. like okay let's
get some flatbed trailers and just put them all on there and ship them safely using that. So if that's the case I can and at that time we didn't own that piece of property own we we rented it from them and for the sole purpose of putting on there now that we own it it's
yard and there's all this other stuff. So I guess just to sum up I guess I just feel better in my heart knowing that we made every opportunity made every effort because um and um it just seems like the right and fair thing to do. Um I would
just ask one question of um Mr. Canon would be um the people have brought up the question about contracts and the deposits that they made um and some disagree some some things that are unclear. What actually is the
rights of the renters with regards to those initial deposits that were paid? because I've heard people say, "Oh, I can renew and I can renew forever." And >> I can't say I've read through the the contracts themselves, but I understand their annual rent >> and there's there's no recourse for any
of the funds like if if somebody stopped becoming, you know, they moved out and they're living in California and they no longer need their locker, would they normally get that feedback that they initially paid or is that just a construction? the the the quick answer and and I am familiar with the contract,
but I'm not going to render a legal opinion on it, but I've been through it with fine touch. Um the uh the language says more or less u init updated every year to show new dollars. For example, the current
contract says initial fee $600. Uh it's it says you can renew as long as you do it by April 1st. Um, most of the contract is there. There's nothing in there that says you get it for life, by the way. So, I mentioned
that earlier, >> but it does, but there are various restrictions. So, it's a somewhat of a boilerplate lease agreement. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so it's a it's an initial fee. It's not a security deposit or a share
>> or or a lease forward. >> Okay. Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's an annual right. >> We we don't have a decision on this yet, but but we're very open to establishing a policy for for some portion of refunding. So, for example,
someone's had a locker for 10 or 20 years. You know, at least my opinion on that is that that span use for life of a locker plus, I wouldn't think there would be a refund for a person who had a locker 20 years. somebody who went to lease for the first time last year, we would have to have a form where that
would compensate to some degree. Thank you very much. >> Okay, other comments or questions in the room. >> My name is Susan Youngs and I live at 506 North Avenue. I also did not plan on
speaking tonight, but I feel I should. Uh we've been in our house 17 years and when we first got it, my husband and I were very able to get on our bikes, put our backpack chair on our backs, put our cooler in the basket and ride there. But
I'm fortunate enough now to have two grandchildren, three and six. I'm It's a little tougher now, so the five blocks have become longer. I am too on the wait list for a long time. uh people don't move up very quickly at all and I'm
afraid they'll be in college before I get a locker. So I just want to thank you. >> Thank you. Other comments or questions? Yes. Hi, my name is Saki.
May um I don't envy any of you. You have very tough decisions to make. Um but this is just food for thought. You had said that you could possibly build another 100 to another 120 lockers and store them where they are now in the parking lot. No, just to be fair,
>> we could fit them anymore on during the summer, but we would not use >> to store them. Okay, that was then I misunderstood because I thought if you could do that, then they could be only exclusive to the residents of Bradley Beach and that would solve probably a
lot of problems for our residents here that are saying they're on the list for so long. So, that is not feasible then at all. >> It's not an option. That's too big. All right. Well, thank you. >> Thank you for trying to help us here. >> Okay.
>> Council Shannon 315 and a half Ocean Park app. So, I'm here about the parking, not about the lockers. And just maybe for a point of clarification, so my mom lives in the residence with me. She does have we think it's wonderful that the town
offers the specialized parking um in favor of any you know tightening up of people getting them. But my one question was about the that it always has to have the placard in the window while it's in the spot. Now my understanding is she can take that placard with her. So if
I'm to drive her to the store, she has a card that says that placard goes with her. Now how do we handle that? She I take her shopping on a Saturday. her car is then left in the spot without the placard. She goes to my brother's for a week or things like that. So, I
don't know if that was considered or if I'm misinterpreting it. I just didn't want it to be something that wasn't considered that that placard can go with her, but she's not always in her car, which is in the spot says if the car is on the street, it can only park in her
spot. We don't have a driveway. So, I just didn't understand that. as a can I make a practical make a copy of the placard and leave it if you take the placard. >> Okay. So then the offic then then the officer can see the number and see what it is.
>> Okay. Cuz it doesn't say that in there. So I just want to make sure that's the solution. That's >> I can't tell you to park a handicap spot without the plaque or the license plate because that's that's the motor vehicle code. But as a practice provider, if you just make a copy of it and and just leave it on the dashboard, the officer is going to look at it and then they'll
see the address. Awesome. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> I know I already >> Okay. I'm sorry. I've got to ask you to hold out for a second. I'm sorry because there are other people who have been
waiting to speak. So, >> I just wanted to say one thing. >> Just wait a couple more minutes. >> You'll have a chance to speak. >> Anyone else in this room before I turn to Zoom? >> Yes, sir. In back. Sir, I just want to give everyone a chance.
>> If we break that rule, we're dead. So, >> that's the one you guys want to hear this. >> That's a tough rule to break. >> Uh, I live My name is Drew Borders. I live at 133 Lake Terrace in Bradley Beach. My wife and I own a home on the
corner of Cliff Beach and Lake Terrace. The home was built by my great-grandfather and has been continuously owned by my family since 1904. In fact, Bradley Beach Historical Society believes that it may be the longest continuously familyowned residence in Bradley. My grandfather's
name is proudly on the war memorial in Riley Park. We also are 5 and a half month residents from May to October at a house that is currently not winterized. Currently, I say and my wife has a legal special parking permit. And I think my
family's been very good stewards of the burrow of Bradley Beach over those years. After reing after reviewing the previous council meeting, I heard a lot of hearsay in a window and some falsehoods. The resentment concerning non-resident homeowners should really be
against the enforcement, not the policy. And this is not blaming the police department. Bradley Beach has an excellent police force. They control the shenanigans in the summertime that go on here. Just I won't waste your time with a funny
story. But anyway, the uh uh to get back to this is that everything that you're trying to codify with this other than taking the spaces away is already in the application. I don't even see a need for having a an ordinance about this when everything is already taken care of in
the application. And the police need the public's help. If you feel it's being wrong, let them know. Give them a call. Um, I think it's just like if you had a car parked for a week in front of your house. It's your duty to help the police with that. So,
how many total permits are there? >> Roughly 45. >> So, you're not exactly sure? >> I'm not exactly sure. >> Okay. Um, isn't it just to be dumb here, isn't it just a matter of counting them in a drawer? >> There are clerical reasons why I
couldn't get the specific. >> I'll give you that. And how many of those do you think or do you know are resident permanent resident homeowners and nonpermanent resident homeowners and renters?
>> If we were to adopt this amendment, it would probably cut that number by 15 to 20. >> And you know that because you've seen the figures on that. Well, again, there one of our employees, Traxxas, has filed everything, but there there are
circumstances that are unique to different homes that we don't know what impact that >> cuz I mean it kind of appears you don't really know how many there are. You don't know who has them. And do you have a map that shows them where they are in the city? >> We know. Yeah, we have the addresses.
>> Okay. All right. Good. Um, so I think the $200 fee will definitely knock down your permits. I think that's going to have a big dent in that. And why not adjust the fine for illegally parking in one of these to be like parking in an
ADA space? At the past meeting, parking permits were referred to as a scam. I'd also like to get one thing straight right now. My wife's 35 year battle of multiple sclerosis is no scam. And it's no joke. When you abuse this
privilege, it's not a scam. It's called fraud. I am sure that the potential fraudulent behavior is not limited to non-resident homeowners. Non-residents pay 100% of full-time taxes here in Bradley and use the services for only 5 months or so out of the year.
Non-residents contribute to the fire department, the police department, the first aid squad, along with other town and volunteer services. So when I say non-residents, I mean non- taxpaying residents. Bradley Beach and the council should embrace the non-residents and not
try to take things away from them. >> I understand. I just don't quite get it. Um, now let's talk about the parking gain for a minute, which seems to be the big hot item. Can we all agree that you could live with this program in the offseason months in Bradley? Is that
something that you think that people could live with in the town? Uh it's just a an odd question for me to try to answer because >> okay >> it could vary by street. I know individuals who have concerns about their concerns. >> I mean you can look you can kind of look
down the streets and see there isn't really a parking problem in an offse. >> There's one particular street where it's >> okay. >> So are the when are the non-permanent taxpayers >> going to be here who don't live here permanently?
>> Summertime. Correct. So, if you take away a parking space in the summertime and I have to park over here now, how many spaces are you gaining? Zip. You're not gaining any spaces in the
summertime by doing this. You could take this whole program and scrap it. You're not going to gain a single space from it. It's a finite number of cars and the only way you're going to gain spaces here is building a parking lot. So, I just don't understand,
you know, if it just seems that uh even this proposed amendment kind of reads it to getting it through here during the second, it's the two days before Thanksgiving. I have to drive eight hours today to be here and back. >> My attorney says there are a lot of holes in this and so that's another
issue that I think you're going to face. Um, you're actively targeting a large part of your population of non-resident homeowners who rely on this town service to be able to enjoy their home safely and despite their malady. Enforce the rules. Keep taxpayers equal. Understand
you're gaining no extra spaces by doing this. Protect the rights of all taxpayers, which I hope you pledge when you were sworn in. Do your due diligence upfront. Lead the citizens to have compassion for disabled neighbors. Don't enact ridic this ridiculous origins that
might be illegal. Heal the divide that is being created as good government should. Base your decision on facts and not just anecdotal hearsay or emotions like good government decisions should be made. Look at the optic on this. You're taking away privileges from handicapped
people. I don't think you really want to be the known as the city that does that. Thank you very much for listening to me today. I I appreciate it. >> Thank you. Other comments in the room before I move to Zoom. >> Yes. Oh, no. I'm sorry.
Keep tricking me. >> How are you? Thank you for addressing our concerns tonight. My name is Chris Lenero. I live at 810 4th Avenue, Neptune City. Um, I lived in Brley Beach for about three and a half years. It was uh something I've been wanting to do for
a very long time. When it was time, I rented for three years. When it was time to buy, I couldn't swing buying what I needed here in Bradley. So, I moved literally the next property over. I live with not with I'm sorry. >> So, I literally there were other houses
that I looked at that were roomier and a lot more, but but it was right here. I had to just get that one street. I wanted to be in Bradley and I couldn't. And I love where I live. And I still do say I like Carl. I'm in Bradley and when I'm on the beach with my granddaughter, this is our beach. You know, we run.
This is It's great. I I just love being here. I'm I'm insulted right now. I really I'm not being mean. I'm not fighting. But and I know others feel this way. It's like what? What do you mean? This is where we are. This is what we do. And now we're not going to be
able to keep our locker. You know, I open my locker. I got nine chair. Oh, four generations. I got four generations of people. my granddaughter, me, my father, my daughter. We come here, we, you know, it's full of toys. It's full of chairs. You know, this is this is what everybody does. This is what we do.
So proud of being here. We, you know, we go to the restaurants. We just do everything. And and it's like it's almost like someone slamming a door in your face. It's it's upsetting. It's really really upsetting. And you know, I let Mr. Greenberg, I thought you did a great job. And I'm sure that we crushed each other on Facebook with these
comments. And you know, I I don't want to go into the legalities of it. However, I do say I, you know, the cost of litigation is astronomical. I know you're on the table, but I really ra it's very expensive. I I feel like that could be something I I don't I'm not threatening. I don't want to see that
happen to Bradley Gage and and it will, you know, it's going to happen with some of this. I don't want that to happen. I also don't like the look of this, the attitude, like, you know, it's creating an us first them when I'm on that and I'm here all the time. I'm on that beach all year. All year. And every time I see
something, I pick it up and I put it in the garbage. If I see a stick down that's holding up the sticks to protect the birds, I put the stick up. Right? People that don't live in Bradley Beach, we we take care of Bradley Beach, too. We we feel ownership. We wish a lot of those of us that don't live in Bradley
Beach wish we could own Bradley Beach, right? And and that's what we do. And this is it's really a shock. It really is. By the way, I've had a locker for a couple years. Um my girlfriend lives here in Brley Beach. I could get another locker, right? So, it's it's not I'll say it's not a concern, but uh a couple
things I wrote down. I'm trying not to repeat what others said. I I I think it's creating a first for them. It takes away ownership. You know, a lot of people complain about renters. Our renters don't own. They're not going to take care. Well, what do you think you're doing to people by saying you can't have a locker anymore? It's kind of creating that same situation. Um the
traffic congestion on ocean. All of us that now can't get our stuff in our lockers. We driving down and parking on ocean and loading our stuff and going somewhere else. Uh, you know, even people that live here said, "Oh, well, I have to drive down. I lose my spot in front of my house." I have the same concern. I'm right across the street. I
have to risk my life every time I cross the Memorial at 4. That's another concern for another time. >> Um, if the issue is storage, please let let's work on it. I I don't have the answers. I thought, you know, could we put them on the prominade? Could we put them on pallets on the beach? You
answered most of these. Uh, one of them is is it possible is there storage in some of the businesses in the town that might be able to rooting and wood has a big parking lot. The map of that's closed. Uh, the bowling alley, although they crowded something. Um,
grandfathering. Grandfathering. No one's ever going to let go of locker. That's not going to fix this. The the ones that I'm partial ownership with people, I'll never let go of that. That's not going to solve the issue. No one would. No, you'd be foolish. just created a, you know, like a a hot commodity. It's very
valuable. That's not going to solve the problem of the weight list. Litigating discrimination, that's not going to be what's best for Bradley Beach. I don't want to see that happen. Uh, storage, build more. I think that's about it. Uh, and give other people more time. But most important thing, I hope that it's
my granddaughter that someday continues to come here and she could claim it, too. Please don't just, you know, don't don't shut us down, please. Thank you. >> Thank you. back. >> Hello, 605 North Avenue. Um, I would like to
talk about um the special parking. Um unfortunately um you know you hear stories of people who really need the the special parking but through the years um we have had um parking that has
been in and in essent um something as a courtesy for people who are are very ill that need them. I have no problems with that whatsoever. But the issue that is coming along with this in the ordinance, as I was reading it, we need better um cautionary um
metrics in place. Um I would like to see um that when someone files an application, when uh police go to check out the house and everything that there are photos taken that it goes into the file, the chief of police then will review it. And then also I want the
foureyed principal. I do believe that the mayor or another designated person, whether it's the VA, should be looking at this as well. Unfortunately, in the past, we have had too many people and and every single resident knows of people who should not be having these
special parking spots. It's just the reality of where we are. And I think we need the four eye principles and have these precautionary measures because that's in everybody's best interest. Um secondly, um I also think that there should be a a third party audit of the
parking spots every year. that is for the protection of everybody for the police, the residents, the town. Um and then again that puts in precautionary measures just like a business does. It doesn't mean anybody's doing anything, but you are monitoring what these um
parking spots are there for and why they're used. Um we have to be very careful and and again because there has been so many abuses and we and again I see it on my street. Um and also there needs to be significant fines for people
who take the liberty of painting their own curbs. And also we need code enforcement um and the police to monitor this daily. Um it can't be reactive. It can't be residents pulling out somebody. That is not a responsibility and that
pits neighbors against one another. So I would definitely like to see that. Um, also if somebody is filing an application for um a special uh parking spot, neighbors need to be notified because what people don't realize in some of these highly highly dense
streets. It affects everybody. It it affects um it's not true that we would not gain parking spots on streets that are in the north end. You would gain parking spots right off the bat. Um but again, it should be very very um these
um spots, special spots should only be given out in very critical situations, not someone temporarily or anything of that nature. Um how many people we know that have driveways and got spots and painting. So, it's just been an abuse and and it's been mismanaged. I know
we're moving forward. We're making strides and I appreciate that. And I'd like to end with is that this is just the beginning. We need a major major parking policy. It's only going to get worse with all the building that's going
on. People come in, three, four cars, they don't have parking. It's it's just a domino effect everywhere. And again, it leads to a lot of confrontation with neighbors. I know I've had it with mine. Just asking somebody to move their car out because I can't see out of my
driveway. Now, we're seeing so many commercial vehicles parked all over the place. had a dump truck uh the other night parked down the street. They're not supposed to be on the street. So again, I don't know the answers, but I would like to see in 2026, I'd like to see a major parking committee and really
address these issues. And I believe this is also addressed in the master plan as well that we should be continuously looking at this. So um I just think we need to put precautionary measures in this and really have a foride principle and look at this and scrutinize this um
at a very very high level. Thank you. >> Thank you. Are there questions outside of this gentleman? >> Okay, I'm gonna turn to the Zoom and I cannot read name. >> Can someone see them?
>> It's Christine. >> Cruz. >> Christine, if you're up there and can speak. >> Hi. Hi, everyone. Um, it is so nice to
hear some stories being shared and I think that an important one as well. >> My family has owned several properties. Can you hear me? >> Address. >> An address. >> Name an address, please. >> Oh, my my I'm so sorry. Christine Cruz
and we have a home in Neptune City. >> Could you take your hand? But my family has owned several properties in Bradley Beach from the 1950s until my grandmother's passing in 2000. We lived
in Bradley Beach when it was a bad area when gangs were in Bradley Beach when the riots were in Asbury Park. I have been renting a beach locker on Park Place for over 18 years and I ask
you to reconsider this ordinance to modify the rental procedure. Bradley Beach describes itself as a caring and inclusive environment. Currently, beach lockers are assigned on
an equitable first come first serve basis. In contrast, the proposed amendment leans towards exclusivity, favoring 12 month residents. To uphold
inclusivity valued by Bradley Beach, I ask each of you to vote down this amendment until an equitable compromise between long-term nonresidential leases and
residents can be reached. I am listening to this conversation. I am anxiously awaiting to speak and I hear residents 12 month residents of Bradley supporting
that this should be voted down. Your own residents are speaking against this amendment. So please, on behalf of my family, my family's history, my desire to save
money, but keep on getting priced out of the home that we were forced to leave because a gang member pulled a knife on my father many years ago. consider that we deserve the opportunity
to be a part of this community and not all of the locker renters have this long of a history with this town. Not everyone can say that their parents got engaged in the gazebo on the
beach. So, if their leases were terminated, what are the chances that they are going to return to Bradley without their beach locker? They will probably be attracted
to a different beach. They do not have the attachments that they do. And you will lose revenue. You will lose support. And quite frankly, my heart is broken. I've lived and breathed Bradley Beach.
My son is named after it. This is my home even though I don't live there. So, I ask you to please take this into consideration. Thank you so much for allowing me the opportunity to speak.
>> Thank you. >> Do you have Christ? >> Oh, Christ. Hi, Kristen Mahoney, 200 Lorraine Avenue, Bradley Beach. Um, I want to thank the council for taking this on. I
know it's not easy. Uh, I go back to what the gentleman said um about parking in Bradley Beach, which is something that we're also discussing in another ordinance. Parking has become incredibly difficult in Bradley Beach. I remember when I moved here 18 years ago, you
could get a parking pass. You could park for free for the beach and I think go half go half price on Wednesday. Um, now that's completely different here. Parking is something that's so terrible in Bradley Beach at this point and so
many people don't have driveways and it really resonates for me for people to say I live in Bradley Beach and in order to go to the beach I have to drive down to get all my stuff down there and then when I come back I don't have a parking spot anymore.
That's how crowded our town has become. I think that there needs to be some quarter given to the residents of Bradley Beach so that they can get down to the beach and get their stuff without worrying about parking on top of everything else.
Um, you know, we can't charge more for other people to have lockers. I believe that would be discriminatory to say non-residents have to pay more for a locker. But I do think that we should give consideration to the residents of Bradley Beach. That doesn't mean that we value value anybody any
less. I just think that we have an anomalous problem. People who come to the beach are going to drive anyway. They need to bring their stuff down. But people who can walk to the beach um at some point can no longer walk if they have to lug everything down. So, um, my
other concern is if we say that the lockers, um, are on public sand, what do we say about the volleyball court and the surf camp and things like that? Are people going to start saying, "Well, now we can't have the surf camp. We can't have the volleyball court. Someone can go sit in the middle of them. We can't
rent them out." So, I I just think common sense needs to prevail. And that's my comment. Thank you. >> Thank you for your comments. >> Are there other folks on Zoom? >> Steve Petra. >> Okay. Steve Petraelli.
>> Hello. >> He's right next to Preston. >> My name this This is Steve Petraelli and I am a full-time taxpayer and a part-time resident at 614th Avenue and I've been on the waiting list for four
years. I can tell you that it took several years to get to the point where we can even find a property in the process of being able to purchase a property. I can't tell you how many open houses and how many showings we went to
where it was openly advertised that, oh, if you buy this property, it comes with a beach locker. We'll uh we'll maintain it for you. So, I think there's a percentage of that that's going on that needs to be cleaned up. The other thing is I think you have a very basic uh
mathematical imbalance of supply and demand here and uh this fairness doctrine and what's fair and unfair. uh it really manifests itself as the two classes. You've created two classes that can't be resolved of a normal symmetric
because the turnover uh just isn't there. I can tell you as sitting at number 15, I concur with my neighbor at 604 that we will both find ourselves with obituary that we won't uh ever ever uh realized a beach locker in our
lifetime as I will be 74 years old in the beach season of 2026. So, I'd like to think of myself as a technical person uh with an analytical mind. And in this case, I like to think outside of the box or specifically outside of the locker.
You have a fundamental problem here. 90% of the volume of what you have to contend with with storing is air. You've got an empty box with air in it. So, the volume is occupied basically. It's useless space. So the basic design of
these lockers uh is incompatible with your storage problem. If these designs were collapsible, foldable, internally hinged or pinned like 20 foot and 40 foot shipping containers I've personally seen in the docks in in the ports of uh
Los Angeles and also Hong Kong and Yen, China, then you could create a stack of foldable collapsible lockers. So I think one possible solution is to get rid of all the lockers and start with a new
design that you could outsource and if you want if it doesn't exist I'll design one for you and file the patent and assign the rights to ground you trying to find a way to store something
that's incompatible with the amount of space available to the burrow. So that's my uh comment and second comment is if the town could find a standard
storage locker that could be assembled on the beach that could be approved that people could buy themselves assembled. You could rent space with sand and people could assemble their own township approved locker on that space. And so
when all of the township lockers are uh installed, you could come and people could put their own up and for $250 or $300, these products exist the same approximate volume as what you're offering now. But I think all the
lockers should be uh raised and they should be uh redesigned to a storage friendly uh mode so that they're collapsible and they can be stacked and then that solves
your problem. So thanks a lot for listening to my rant and uh look forward to reading my obituary with >> Thank you. Thank you for those comments. other >> Bob Hatton.
>> Bob Patton, you're up. >> Hi, Bob Patton to us up in Evergreen Avenue. Um, I uh give the council credit for taking on this hot issue. Obviously, a lot of sensitivity towards it. Um, I have friends on both sides of the ledger
here. Um, I don't have a lot, never have, but I do have a grandchild now, so the thought has crossed my mind a couple times. But I do think that somewhere you have to draw the line. Um the town is growing, the town is moving forward. Um
you can't confuse it with prices and other things that are going on with real estate that's happening all over the place. Um I don't want to see 500 lockers on our beach. Um I don't want to see lockers looking like storage containers. I want to see what we have.
Um, I would like to see it distributed amongst the full-time residents or the residents who own properties here. I do think that makes sense. I feel bad for people like Christine who said they've been here for a long long time. But somewhere you have to decide what is the
deciding factor of how you going to make this decision. Um, as there's a finite number of lockers and there's lots of demand. Um, the the list is long. Um, but I think I should go to the residents of Bradley Beach first. And I just want to make that comment and and thank the
council for taking us on. Thank you. >> Hey, Bob. >> Yeah. >> Can I have your address? >> I'm sorry. >> Your address? >> 207. >> I didn't hear. >> I got it. Never mind. >> Your address? >> 207 Evergreen Avenue.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Are there other hands raised on the side? >> That's it. That's it. >> Okay. I'm not going to ask every one of you to give me make a second comment, but I am going to ask this gentleman to
make a final comment. Just >> Mr. Petrael, he's still in my cond. I was going to suggest collapsible and stackable. >> You can fit three or four of them in the spot >> 83y old has to put together her own locker.
I actually think it's worth looking into. We do have cap capital requirements on size. Maybe somebody is going to design a brand new >> collapsible locker and current locker cost $600. If we destroy 550 lockers to
then purchase new collapsible lockers, >> I may suggest a pilot program of 10 this one year. It will be considered beyond this meeting, but u you know no promises. Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Um Linda W 312 Avenue. I am going to die with my locker. I have one and I appreciate the locker wholeheartedly. It saved me a lot of time and effort dragging stuff back and forth to the beach. But my problem exists because I
can never get my husband there. I'd have to actually drive a car into the parking uh the handicap parking with my husband, go home, run back because if I don't, I can't get him to the beach. So, I end up going to another beach that's in town that has a handicap
parking in front of it. So, now I have to go back to that locker, fill my car up with all my chairs to go to the other beach that I can park by the handicap so my husband can get to the beach. It's kind of confusing, but anyway, I think the residents in town should have first
dibs on the lockers. It's like where you vote. You can't vote in two towns. I know it's not the same similar uh situation, but you know, the people that live on the other side, they're still going to come here. They're going
to drive their cars here. They probably drive their cars here now and park in our parking spaces, which we don't have during the summer, especially in the smaller houses that have no driveways. So, that's that with lockers. I think Bradley Beach should have lockers first
for the residents. So, as far as handicap parking goes, I don't have my paper with me. There's one item on the handicap parking that says no driveways. You need at least an 11 foot wide driveway to safely transfer handicapped
person in the wheelchair to the car. So therefore, the driveway and the cutout isn't appropriate for them. Today I drove around and I saw people parked in handicap spaces with no placards on the
windshield or on their license plate. I also saw people parking in yellow spots that neighbors on that block had told me they do all the time and they call the police and nothing is done about it. So, I don't understand that. And that's all
I have to say. Safety is an issue in handicap parking and I think we should give it to people because frankly they have an issue and they should be addressed and I think the police are able to evaluate them appropriately. So, what is this form they talk about in
that ordinance? It's been published. >> I I I couldn't find it. >> Was that was the position at this? >> It's not. >> No, the ordinance was posted the rest of the meeting, >> but that's not there. So, what exact exactly is that?
>> It's a um it's a form HIPPA approved, uh confidentiality approved, uh you know, because we went through some gymnastics, uh including having the burough attorney review it, but it's basically a physician at testation form. One of the challenges we face, you know, uh I I
know a gentleman a few folks have used in different terms uh the word scam, but I I personally do take offense at that. I don't think anyone Well, there may be some people that are more limited than others and some severely limited. >> No, I'm with
>> No, no. So what happens is today the ordinance requires a note from your physician and the notes from physicians you'd be amazed at how wide ranging they are and sometimes how off target they are. What we've done is instead of
requiring a note from physician, we are now creating a standard physician attestation form that basically states this patient of mine has limited mobility uh experiences great discomfort if they walk more than 50 ft. It's more
of a definitive statement of the person's lack of mobility. >> Is this legal? I don't know anything about that. I've never >> So, it's a privilege. >> It's a privilege. So that is what you're >> we standardize what the physician has to certify. So we were previously required what was basically a doctor's note is what it said
>> and so like the mayor said we're not going to disclo we have the records of it we're not disclosing medical privacy reasons but some of them are patently ridiculous and so now is there's a standard form that that that specifically attest to the mobility
issues that would necessitate the special parking per >> okay I just was clarity on that >> yeah I mean just yeah I mean just standation forms, you go to school, you know, anything else beyond to tell your doctor what they need to certify for you. >> Have been saying that you can go to any
doctor, you cannot go to any doctor, I don't think to get a form filled out that you can't go to a podiatrist and say that you've got pulmonary problems. I mean, that makes no sense at all. So, somebody did have said here that, you know, oh, I could just go in the back in the locker room and I can get that doctor to sign the form. I don't think
that really happens a lot. It may for certain people, but I think that's a good idea, but it's hard to get your doctor to even take care of you as opposed to a form. Also, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yes.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> By the way, we're not going to cycle through. >> I apologize. >> She I did that speak to break the rule. >> I'll try to keep this very brief, sir. But um I would just recommend to this council to review SESO v Delmare which
was quoted by Mr. Greenberg um and really have your council review that because Belmar had to pay back council fees for the litigation and I really would not like to see that occur here um for the taxpayers of Bradley Beach.
That's all. Thank you. >> I'll make one quick statement. ladies and gentlemen. Wait, say one last thing. I was willing >> to pay um >> I don't know if it's feasible or not with these collapsible sheds, but that's
a possibility. It's something to think about this year before you move on anything. Uh my opinion, and I'd be willing to pay more >> as a non-resident uh for to help pay for the destruction of the ones that are present and the and the building of the
new ones, whether it be 100 $150 more, not every year, but maybe $200 more or maybe $200 even more for two years to help pay for it. So, you said something about expense. I'm certain other people really cherish them. You know, we've been coming here, like I said, I have a
lot of family members, big family members that spent a lot of money here and we really like it here. It's been 60 years and um like to try and keep it that way. And I don't know if all the people are going to come back. I'm I mean, I will. I know I I really like it here a lot. Um, I live in Ocean Grove.
My parents started running in 1969 and we eventually bought it. But, uh, we were because of, I guess, the religious reasons, Ocean Grove, Sunday Beach, but I like Bradley Beach. Somebody said Kenth Avenue. There was a warden that lived across the street that was friends with my firefighter uncle said Kentth
Avenue is the best beach and is the best beach. >> And I want to continue to be that way. So, what she will be that way. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, that is I'm going to close public comment. Um, and now move on to
>> Oh, I did not see >> you people on Zoom can't hear you. >> I'm loud enough. Thank you. >> Lisa, 411 Newark Avenue. >> Thank you. Um just in reference to about the placard information. Um I've have I
have one my location and for the three years that I've had one I've had to provide a placard to the town besides a note and the placards comes from the state. So that's a can't be a scam if the state is awarding me or awarding a disability person. >> No one up here is calling. >> Right. So I'm just saying that you know
and it's not they're not just given away to anybody. >> Okay. They're given by an approved the state takes it. I have a state approved private license that says I'm handicapped. My husband has a foot. He's awarded a handicap also. So all the
stuff about scamming and the legality of the parking spots, 45 parking spots in this whole town. I know it's not that big of a town, but 45 parking spots if they're proven to be legit and you don't want to bring in the American Disabilities Act to this that for discrimination or handicapped people. I
just think it's wrong to, you know, go after the 45 spots. I mean, if they're not legit, then fine, they're not legit. And I would tell you, we're out a lot with my car. I come home constantly. I find somebody in my spot. Normally, I just say whatever. I wish they would put a note and say, "Here, I'm here. Call
me. I'll move my car." They don't. Only once in a couple of years that I did call the police because the car was there for three days. And even the police officer said to me, "Wow, you waited three days?" I said, "Yeah, I'm you know what I'm going to do? Come after somebody." And you know, but it was annoying. I finally get the free
day. They said enough's enough and I had to walk, you know, little car to get to my car. And um and at that time I parked on Lake Terrace by the dog park and I left my car there for two days because I couldn't get back and forth. And one of the neighbors over there called and said, "There's a park here that hasn't
moved in two days." So now I got to call from the police stations and they wouldn't tow my car because I couldn't park where I was supposed to park. So parking is an issue, but the sake of 45 spots if they're legit the state awarded identification.
I don't see what the problem should be here for. Yeah, >> we're not changing that criteria. For example, >> I thought that's what >> we updated it to the new we updated to the new >> right. We never had a placard before. >> The situation you described, you're not going to have a problem. The only thing
I will say the stickers in the back window. My window's tinted so you can't see my sticker. >> And I didn't know until recently that I had to have the placard hanging in the car. It's at least in my visor. But as of today, my placard is there. >> That's why we've added the placard to be
displayed because all right. Thank >> you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. I'm going to close public comment and move to um the approval of minutes. I'll make a motion that we approve November 6, 2025 council business meeting minutes.
>> Second. Mr. Noble, yes. >> Mr. Reed, >> yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Kubosi, >> yes. Okay, moving to ordinances. Item seven on the agenda. We have one introduction, bond ordinance 2025-39.
There will be no public comment on this, but council, any comments or questions? >> You answered all my questions. Thank you very much. >> You've answered all of my questions, but if you could just explain publicly.
>> Yeah. Yeah. At at a fairly high level um a number of months ago in anticipation of doing a construction project where we would renovate the sewer pump station on Ocean Avenue. We passed a bond ordinance uh for $500,000
which we were told would be more than adequate to cover the cost. Then we went out for bids and the lowest bid was 632,000. The highest bid was like 800,000. And you'll see a little later on today's agenda we will be uh uh rejecting these
bids because we don't have the bond authorization to spend that much money. This introduction is amending that earlier bond ordinance uh bringing that amount from 500,000 to 900,000. We don't expect to spend 900,000. Very likely
it'll be in that 600700 range. We just don't want to be caught short again. And you're allowed to, you know, legally we can authorize more of a spend and then not spend it. So we're being conservative with our new $900,000. >> Mr.
about filling this the voids, the spaces beneath this building. I mean, there's a building there now. Why do those voids need to be filled? It sounds like just a lot of like >> John, we we have all these engineers, including one on the council. >> Oh, yeah. That's fine. >> So, I'm letting the folks know that.
>> So, there. So, so there are these large vaults that have all the old sewer equipment down in there, pumps and grinders and and whatnot, and there's ground water filling up in those in those vaults. ground water comes and goes. Water comes
in and out. The slab of that building is being supported by a steel beam. Building's almost 100 years old. And what we don't want to do is just build new restrooms up there and not and then have a situation where five years from now, seven years from now, 10 years from now, we have a problem with the
structural integrity just because of the age and water infiltration rusting into that beam. We want to make sure if we're going to invest anything in here that it's going to be set for the next foreseeable future without having to come back with some other issue popping up. We go up to a cheap and say just
leave it let the water flow up there. But this is for public health >> and safety. >> Right. If no other questions, I'll make a motion that we adopt the sorry that we approve the introduction of bond ordinance 2025-39.
>> Second. Mr. Noble. Yes. >> M. Greenblat. >> Yes. >> Mr. Noiki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubosi. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, we're going to go to public hearing on the on two ordinance adoptions which we've chatted about a bit already. Uh, nonetheless, the first
uh adoption that we want to consider is for ordinance 2025-37, which is the ordinance amending uh the chapter 9 of on traffic in the bureau's revised general ordinances. And this specifically pertains to special parking
permits or otherwise known as handicap parking. Um going to u have any council comments first before I go to the public. Any council comments or questions? >> Um I had asked a bunch of questions or at least suggested a couple of edits. Um
and I had um put it forth also to our attorney Mr. U and I just want to ask if there's still uh an interest in one of my edits uh which I can articulate and share. Um
just to sort of clarify uh uh that proof is required for the caregiver um that the caregiver is a full-time resident in that location. Is that something that would benefit adding to the uh this
current ordinance? There's a specific Yeah. And to be clear um for the public as well as for the council, >> where is it? >> It's um 9-3-9 A2 item number six. And it reads a
caregiver may be approved for use in the special permit space if they reside at the applicant's primary residence in Brown Beach with a disabled individual. My suggestion potentially is to add proof of residency/teny required for fair permit. So I don't
know if it's articulated elsewhere that proof needs to be um uh shown in order to um >> so without opining one way or the other on this just to make sure everybody understands it there is an upfront
statement I guess uh a sub a1 the applicant's dwelling must be their primary residence so would that comes an expectation that would provide proof. >> So would you handle that with I mean you administratively something on the application what it presumes as a
gentleman I think one of the speakers actually mentioned um I mean including it in there is you can put it in there >> yeah it's just clarification I guess >> yeah it's just clarified >> so Sha your suggested uh addition to let me just make sure I get this citation
9-3.9 >> right >> 9-3-9 a um >> A6 >> A6 Six. >> What would you add to a caregiver may be approved, >> right? I would say I would suggest proof
of residency slashteny required for caregiver permit. If a permit is going to be issued to an individual other than the handicapped individual um we indicate that that individual should be living at that residence full time,
>> which we do say. I just want to make sure I understand. >> She's just talking about the proof. I'm wondering if a caregiver like them to prove like no facilities not going to be in their name. Nothing's going to be in their name. How would they? >> It says if they reside at the so they
need they would need to approve to our police department. Correct? I mean if you have situations like this now our current ordinance says the caregiver may be approved if they reside at the applicant's primary residence
set. So Miss Read is saying we should get proof of that of residing there. >> Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the standard is now. Chief handling this for even since we were patrolling traffic stuff, but um yeah, that's not out of
the possibility for us to verify that. So, I understand you would if you're if you don't have utility bills, there's got to be some sort of you know, documents. So the caregiver could be living there full time, but their driver's license could still be a different residence,
but that's their job is to stay there, but their hus, you know, so their driver's license still says, you know, Elizabeth, New Jersey, for example, >> and and but yet they're living there as a caregiver. >> Common sense will prevail in some of these. >> I agree with,
>> you know, letting the caregiver also utilize the spot. I just think it might be hard for them to prove it live there. I mean, letting them use it. >> I'm just worried that putting it in the ordinance, it would be hard to prove, >> but I don't know. I don't that doesn't solve their problem of figuring it out.
>> I mean, so let me just all of these things uh all these statements that we say, you know, you have a driveway this or if you possess a valid commission issued plaque, all these things have to be proof. So, I don't think we need to enter the word
proof. to be put. >> Yeah. >> But it raises a good question. Does that caregiver need to be a primary? A residence is primary. I think what I'm hearing is probably not. >> So a caregiver who's not living there
could potentially be issued um the permit for parking. >> Right. So So they have to reside there. But how do you how do you determine >> what if they're not there? 24 hours. They might >> they might risk a care contract. provide
you >> living in care agreement or dining agreement where >> has a permanent residency a permanent residence >> it doesn't say they have to be in their per it doesn't say the caregiver has to have >> right now it states okay but we were
changed at the permanent residence the driver's license may not say that >> right >> so therefore we should not say that >> so we we won't really know we we could be issuing a permit to a caregiver who
is not residing there and and we indicate in the ordinance that the caregiver should be residing in that location and whether it's a temporary or permanent >> I think to your point they have to prove they reside there
>> we have that in the ordinance I I just >> it says that they reside in the subject requires what you're saying that they improve. >> Is it necessary? I'm just suggesting is it necessary for us to take that one step further to >> Does anyone have a concern about adding
wording that would say special permit space if they prove they reside at >> I just like the line that channel put together prove residency be required just functionally what every section
above that and everything else is required. Everything else is primary >> and it's not defining what the proof is. >> This could not be this might not be their primary residence. >> Well, again, I'm just saying it might be hard for them to approve it. Police are
going to accept some some alternative. I mean, I don't contract with the home health company or whoever like that sounds good. I just don't want anybody to be driving.
Again, I think we're trying to get at do they really live there and if they can prove that they reside there is that ad. We're not saying primary residence, >> right? >> But if we say if they provide
>> well I I have put in proof of residency tenency required for caregiver permit. So it it could be any sort of >> I'll note that the the evidence to be a primary resident above is significantly more specific. >> Yeah.
>> I think we even list driver's license lease in the in the language above that. So that's why China's language didn't offend me because it said group of residents. That could be an interview with the police to explain what's going on here in like when they do their administrative tasks and they're processing it.
>> So you know I think it's six on one and a half dozen on the other to be honest with you. But making it clear that people have to get some sort of proof that they're the caregiver resident, even if it's the disability, you know, the person they're caring for testify on their behalf is fine.
>> And I'm just playing devil's advocate, but >> Well, I also live in a world where we don't get angry. No, >> prove. >> Well, that's the point that I've made. Everything's got to be proven. Every one of these. to add the word proof in this one only seems redundant to me. But
everything else says primary residence. So what if the caregiver is that's not their primary residence? They live in wall but they spent 24 hours you know at this residence >> as I recall it's obviously not right now but I believe I don't believe it says
primary residence. It just seems to reside there and then sh's language was proof of residency shall be required. >> Yep. Okay. >> Right. So if that could be temporary resident, you know, I at some level someone has to make the decision whether
the person gets the permit or not. And we and we trust the police to basically investigate it. And the nature of any system like this, especially our good naturatured police department or any official that gives out a like this is not to give people a
hard time, right? So, in that process of not giving people a hard time, there are at least a few, if not several of these permits that are that shouldn't be marked on the street right now. I think our investigation determine that
maybe more. We don't really know the number, but we know that there's a number of them out there that are not valid. Um, and so I think we have to rely on the police giving the police stricter parameters to issue them and giving them the justification to tell people Hey,
you know, the rules have changed and I can't give this to you. Um, you know, and I think you have to let that play out because someone has to make the decision. This is providing the people who make the decision with stricter guidelines because they haven't been as strict safely on the doctor's notes as we mentioned. Um, but overall, I don't
expect that this is going to drastically change the circumstances for these parking permits in town. Most of the people, I think the majority, the vast majority of people that already have them, they are justified and they're just going to stay where they are. Um, but you know that that's the overall I think in a nutshell that's where we're
at. But at some level you have to ultimately leave it to the police to determine whether this is legit or not. And you're giving them the tools now to to tighten it up. >> So M. Springlet and I were just discussing if we if we cross out the
word reside and we insert space if they prove residency. Two words instead of one. >> Yeah, that sounds that sounds fine to me. you loosened it up. >> It sounds very nonsubstant and
acceptable to me >> because the police will still decide, right? >> All right. Uh that was it. So, no other comments or questions? >> Well, I I just want to say I mean there's a lot of discussion on this tonight. Um I believe, you know, some people we are there is abuse of this uh
parking special parking program out there. I think we're just tightening it up. I think anybody that legitimately needs the space is going to continue to get the Um, so you know, I think we're headed in the right direction, >> right? >> Except there's a change and a significant change which is that it will
no longer be um applicable for people who are not where this is not the primary residence. I'd also put out objectively someone who doesn't live here and really have no idea about this issue until you ask me to look at the ordinance and I've seen the the data, you know, it doesn't pass
the smell test that there's a significant concentration of them in the town. Does that mean that there's just a lot of disabled people happen to buy houses in this area or did they talk to their neighbors about how easy it might be to get so that from just 10,000 foot view someone doesn't live here and really had no idea about any of this. I
looked at it and the way they're currently laid out doesn't necessarily pass the spell test and I think this will solve that problem while maintaining the priv the privilege and the and the ability of people who actually are disabled in the town to continue to just carry on you know from
sitting over here lockers you're on your own >> yeah I mean just to recap uh you know we're establishing primary residence so someone today is able get their curb painted all year long, but
they may only be spending three months here. But no one else can park there because it's a privatized parking space that the burrow grants that individual uh for for 12 months when they may only be here say three of the summer. >> I know.
>> Um we uh another one I mentioned earlier is that we we're adding this positions at testation statement. It's it it's still requesting physician approval. We're just giving more specific wording so we get more consistent submissions from
physicians. Um we didn't mention this but we we want to be clear that in this amendment uh this will be for municipal roadways only. So we will not be authorizing these on county or state roads because we are not going to make
separate application for that. Um, okay. Caregiver we just discussed and and a number of people have highlighted that we're raising the uh the annual application fee from $50 to $200. Um
$50 has been in this ordinance largely forever and there are ongoing costs not only with police surveillance um for a new application. It's the signage that we we put in and the painting of the curves and then every many years we repaint the curbs and we're always you
know processing all the u related paperwork for the physician at the station and so forth. So um the uh the best estimate we could come up with for the time spent on a on a per space basis was the $200 fee.
So um so where are we did >> we're about to open it up >> so no other No council comments. Okay, >> with that said, I'd like to open this up to uh public comment and again uh some
of you may have spoken already. You're welcome to speak again. >> Uh yes, sir. >> Second to take a vote. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. >> Miss Greenwood, yes. >> Mr. Niki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, yes. >> Mayor Bosi, >> yes.
>> Yes, sir. >> Falling champion 411 and a half Line Avenue. >> Wow, you guys are really making things complicated for yourself. Yes. >> I think it's really unfortunate um your whole discussion about caregivers. Why in God's name aren't these permits
just for the address once you prove there's somebody in that permanent resident in that address? >> Exactly. >> Then basically you get a placard with that address on it and it can go in that person's car, their
spouse's car, their caregivers's car. >> You can't police. We we tie it one car per address. That's the >> Well, then okay. >> Because they have a decal tie. >> I'm just telling you that's
>> legally you can't tie the placer to the address. We do. >> So we do, but correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of how we police all of these spaces is we have on file one address, one placard, one evidence
of a person's disability and one car assigned. So we don't hand out five decals to five family members, all of whom may take turns shuffering a handicapped individual around. That's my understanding. >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. And it can only be one, >> but you're you're going to allow a caregiver to also have a pocket for that address. Is that right? >> It's again, this is the standard that already exists. We're not changing this. It's one decal per address. So, the
caregiver would have the decal in that case. >> Okay. Correct. Yeah, I would imagine that in that situation, if a person needs a caregiver, that person probably doesn't drive or have a car. So, the caregiver is the person who
most likely is responsible for transporting them around. >> So, that's why you have that one placard or one address for the one person who actually drives the disabled. and the car was registered.
>> Exactly. >> My second comment is about the permanent resident requirement. Um why can't you have somebody who owns a house and is there for 5 months a year? um when
they're not there, just have them have a a clause where they have to report that they're not going to be there for extended period and bag bag the sign so it's no longer restricted parking. I mean that was considered uh it's
there's a lot of expense to first of all there's a lot of inconsistency about that person's ability to report timely and we would have no way of knowing if they were just driving around for the day as police were doing the the investigation if you will and um uh you
know the uh the individual oh and then there's the cost of painting over we painted yellow we're here for three months or five months that they leave and then we paint it gray and they come back and we paint it yellow then they leave it and we paint it gray and that's if they report it. >> I'm not saying you're incorrect, Paul.
I'm just saying we've discussed it and I discussed it at at length with Chief Arnold who's going to be with us tonight. But um you know this is where we ended up. >> Good morning. >> Yeah. Uh yes
Ocean Park Condos. >> Um so I have a scenario because we know that I do crazy things and You know, there I am in my home with my
elevator and I'm sick and my hell is failing and I no longer have a car and I no longer have a driver license. My passport is good for 10 years. I just got a new one and I have a care and so I don't have a placard to give because I no longer have
a car, but I require 247 caretaking. Now, that's not one person taking care of me. I got day shifts. I got weekend shifts.
Whatever you're trying to do, I don't think solves any of that. And I respect and appreciate that you're trying to tweak something and make it more fair, but I don't think you can really
understand what caretaker is. And you have now given me some other reason in the four million reasons I have about and not sleeping at night. I I I don't have a solution. And I usually try to come here and offer one.
So maybe it's some sort of portable decal that you know when the shift changes it's given to the next person coming in but we all know those are going to fall apart get lost and all of those scenarios and again I respect you cannot
prepare for every situation but I don't think what you're doing solves anything I think it just makes things worse and I know you want to argue it with No, I want to see. >> No answer. >> We're not going to do that.
>> Okay, we're good. >> I was just going to Okay. >> I was I didn't want to cut you off. I was going to try. >> I listen. >> So, number one, what your concern that you're raising is not anything we're changing. This has existed to date. So,
but you're making a valid point. My reaction would be we have police discretion for shared driveways. We just talked about police discretion for a caregivers's residency. I'm sure we can't legislate for every single
situation, but I believe we could certainly add police discretion. Again, it's how police monitor these. And if it meant giving out two or three decals to three standard caregivers for one location, I can't imagine that would be a problem. We don't want to say
unlimited for every caregiver, every relative. You need to give out 10 details for one space. >> I understand that. I also think it needs to be considered and um hopefully none of you have ever had to deal with this,
but it's not necessarily so easy to get one caregiver. Sometimes you go through numerous people to get someone that is a good fit for a particular situation. So, um, all of that I think needs to be
taken into consideration along with the verbiage of police discretion because we all know that does not sit well with me. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. I see other hands. Yes, sir.
effecti speaking as an actual disabled person. I had some unfortunate experience in this matter. So, I want to propose some compromises or solutions because what we've got here is problematic on a few
issues. First of all, can we please allow or find some way for non-resident homeowners to park? They aren't any less disabled than the rest of us. Yes, they're here
for a certain number of months, right? I think the vast majority of them are here through the summer season. Can't we just set caps on, okay, it starts on this date, it ends on this date, and if there's a problem with the police and checking up on the spots, set hard dates, work it out with them, do
something. But again, going back to the point about people, you know, the non-residents of beach loggers, they're a very, very valuable part of this community. We know that many people, disabled people in this town are members of families who have been here for generations.
Surely, we have to be able to find some way to work that out. That's one. Two, and Linda made this point earlier, we have to allow street parking for people in wheelchairs and vans, whether or not they have a driveway, right? 11 ft, as
Linda noted, 11 ft is required. My driveway is 9 ft, by the way. It's also on a slope. So, it would fail on two levels. And I think every driveway in Bradley Beach that I know of, right, is not going to allow space for a van in a
wheelchair. So, that's two. And three, uh, Mr. Mayor, I respectfully disagree about the $200 fine. I made some not fine. Sorry, not a fine, $200 fee. Annual fee. >> I called around. No one No one around
has charges anything close to that. Ocean Grove, I spoke to them yesterday. It's a $100 onetime fee. And I would point that out that in the spirit of not dropping too much money on people who are disabled and already spending money on all sorts of things.
When you go to the motor vehicle office and you apply for a permit there, you know what they pay? You know what they pay? $4. So I get that there's work involved. But again, surely there's some way we can work this out. Thank you. >> Thank you.
comments or questions. Yes, Tracy >> Tracy Davidson 3044. I'd just like to mention about the driveway aspect of this ordinance. Um, speaking as the daughter, my father was deceased of a double amputee who lived at 212 Delane.
It's not the house that's standing near now. to a very narrow driveway. And as his problems progressed and he went from a cane to a walker to a wheelchair, he needed a spot in front of the house
because he could not pull himself. He has tremendous upper body strength, but pull himself from the passenger seat of a car, slide himself into a wheelchair, roll himself down a driveway where, and this is really an important
He had a ramp in the back of the house. Navy was built that ramp for him because that's what Bradley Beach was. It was a very nice neighborly town. Not that way anymore. I don't I don't see it that
way. They built that ramp in the back and then a neighbor said to him, "Why don't you just get space in front? You're struggling. Get a space in front." And so he did it. None of the neighbors complained. It was not a big
deal. But that made a very hard life that he had every single day from the minute he woke up a little less hard. And it also made it a little less hard on my mom, on me, and everybody else in the family. So when you talk about
because you have a driveway, all your problems are solved. They aren't. So I would think it should be on a casebyase basis and when the police come or whoever comes to investigate the situation they take certain things into account. That's all. Thank you.
>> Thank you. This in >> uh Drew again. I really don't get the primary resident issue with this. >> I just don't get it. You have taxpayers
paying the same amount of taxes as everyone in here, yet you're giving a group of people a privilege that a group of handicapped people don't have. What do I tell my wife after this meeting after you wrote this? That uh that I'm sorry, honey. Um we're not primary
residents. you're going to lose your space and maybe have to park in Ocean Grove and somehow you're going to have to attempt to get to a White House. I think it's unconscionable. I really do. I think uh this is being rushed through. I don't understand what the big
rush is with this. Why won't you make changes by taking the spots off the state roads and county roads? Make changes by doing your investigation about the the the uh fraudulent use of these. look at the numbers that come
from that and don't treat the taxpayers different. You can always go back and and take a look at this again with what if the number drops from 46 to 31. It may very well be with the extra cost of it and and and the extra scrutiny that
is now obviously going to get now. So is that really a big deal for Bradley Beach? And that's like a reason to take this away from my wife. >> So >> I would Oh, I'm sorry. >> No question, sir. I I Yeah. So, I just want to understand >> Sure. >> You're saying you're you live in in this
house in Bradley, but you're not a >> We live in the h we own the house in Bradley. >> I live in Connecticut as my primary residence, but we spend five months a year here when we're here at the house. And let me tell you something, having
that parking space has been a godsend. So, I just don't understand what the whole idea is with the primary resident. We're taxpayers just like everybody in this room who lives in Bradley are taxpayers if they own homes. So I don't get it. I think you should wait on this
until you discuss a little further amongst yourselves about the whole primary residence statue and table this for the next meeting. That would be my suggestion. >> I will say I I appreciate your suggestion. I'm not saying we won't reconsider, but just so you're aware,
the reason this is, you know, kind of fast track for some amendment because there are many challenges we we face today. We wanted to improve it is because people can apply beginning January 1. So we were trying to resolve this before the end of the
>> I think I think the form is a tremendous idea. I think it's if fraud is going on, nip it in the bud. It's not right. >> Um I'm all for that. But why don't we enforce it first and then see what you're looking at? Mhm. >> I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me
to do if you change five things, you don't know which thing changed what, but if you change one or two things at a time, you start to see the impact. But I mean, we don't even know how many people are in my in my situation here and and who legally and need this and have to
have this. And you're frankly going to wreck the quality wreck some of the quality of my life and my wife's life by excluding the non-primary taxpayers. That's all I got to say, guys. All right. Thank you.
>> Other comments, questions? Done. So, I just want to echo about the non- primary residence. >> Oh, Don Greenberg, 302 Park, please. >> Thank you. >> I just want to echo about the non- primary residents. I mean, it it seems like a no-brainer. And if it costs more
to manage those spaces, then have a two-tiered system. If you're a non- primary resident and it's going to cost the town more to paint over a couple times or take the signs down or bag them, then charge a little more. And I do think the 200's a little outrageous because a lot of these people who are
handicapped may also have income issues. Okay? So, you know, you're going to be pricing them out of a space. Uh and the last thing is uh we were actually talking about a simple solution for the caregivers because not everybody has one caregiver. There are shifts. Okay. Um
you know million years ago before I met Maryanne, I dated a nurse who did that, right? And she worked one shift. ship. There were people working three shifts. Instead of a sticker, make it a care a specific caregiver placard that they can use that the that the person who lives
there has the placard to give to the caregiver and they can just share it. You know, I mean, how much will it cost? Five, 10 bucks to make a placard instead of a a flimsy sticker. So, that might be a solution for the caregivers because not everybody has one caregiver that
lives there, you know, 247, 365. So that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I I completely concur with the gentlemen here.
>> I just need you >> so sorry to have friendly avenue. I will get it one day. >> It's okay. Don't worry. It's fine. Thank you. >> I completely concur. I cannot imagine
the administrative difficulties of solving of not being able to be resolved to have people who are here who own a house here who pay to have a house here who come here for three months who are legitimately handicapped to not have
space in front of their house. I mean to me that is just completely unacceptable from the door. And you know if it takes painting the stripes blue instead of yellow and blue means you know it just
it can be that I guess bagging the sign sounds brilliant or just let that parking spot be there or that inform the police that they don't need I don't know if this is impractical for the police but perhaps they could be informed that they don't need to enforce people not
parking there for that period of time and I'm sure this gentleman actually would pay strangers to come and paint the curb over if you give them that opportunity. Um, but it's it's that's unacceptable from the dorm. The issue
with caretakers, too, I mean, I understand that the disabled person is getting one space. So, I don't know why we're concerned if there's caregiver lives there. If they don't live there, if they're there, you
know, you're gonna have you you could have the wife comes home from work at five and can and can handle and you know what the disabled person needs, but they need a caretaker who can get in and out before. I mean, once you've established
that no one else that's not connected to that house with that disability can use that space really, why do you care whether it's a support person or that person in, you know, but that person's car in it,
>> you know, and I think you're just complicating your life with that. And I would say, you know, in with ordinances in general, you know, when you have parts that don't work and you go to fix one part, I would implore you to put in
the extra time and the extra thought to to fix the whole thing. Do you know I mean I mean right now you can take a look at the criteria or maybe maybe right now just write an ordinance that says you have to have this form and then
you know deal with the form find out who's really disabled and then we go from there. But then when you do look at this at the ordinance you can look at there's places like administrative requirements. It says in January of every year, special parking permit
applications will be made by the Burough Bradley Beach. In January, doesn't say when. Then it says all applications must be received by January 31st. So, I guess the town could take till January 30th to put the
applications out and then by January 31st, the people have to respond. Then on number two, it says all applications will be reviewed during the month of January by the police department and permits will be
issued by the chief of police if elig is is you have the permits that are up in December and then the renewal application is reviewed after January 31st. So we
we've got we we've got things to work on in this just before all these major changes are made without really thinking of the consequences for real per people's lives and how their lives work.
Maybe we could just clean up the whole thing, just shove it and and look at it and get it right. >> Thank you. Uh for the record, most of the comments folks have been offering are criticizing the current ordinance,
not the changes. The one except, you know, all that you just mentioned. >> But what I'm saying is is why make major changes that are that are questionable that are going to change people's lives. >> No, no, it's a valid comment. I'm not
>> in a rush. and then to look at code and weave code with problems like let's just review let's just review an ordinance onceing the ordinance just to be clear on that. >> Yeah. No, it's understood understood and and 100% the change in a residency
requirement is a significant change. >> All of the administrative concerns that were raised, >> these are not changes we've made. So, I'm just trying to distinguish when we say >> when you're changing something important, change everything. We actually thought we were doing that and
we weren't changing things we didn't think were broken until Miss you just highlighted. I just want to make it clear to folks. Everything that uh we're attempting to do, we believe is in the best interest of the bureau, but and we
and you know, we're going to continue to work in the best interest of the bureau uh without preempting. However, we're going to vote tonight. But people need to just understand, you know, we've we've workshopped this. We had an introductory meeting. We we're
now gratefully getting feedback from folks. But understand, it's not like we rushed through this. We spent a tremendous amount of time and effort spent on this. And now we're continuing to get feedback. And I'm sure we'll all, you know, uh, consider that feedback.
But I just need people to know this is not something we've rushed through. So thank you Linda Lindy or Linda Green. Um, I was reviewing this and
the portion that's 9-3.9 that says you will not be responsible for applying or uh and receiving an application on county and state roads. Correct? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. This is the state paper that says it's your responsibility. I'll read to you >> and it's in section 3 I mean C.39
semicolon 4-197.5 2.6 authorizes municipalities to establish handicapped spaces in front of residences, schools, hospitals, public buildings and in shopping and business districts. So I don't know who wrote
this ordinance. This is a portion. I don't know if they did their homework. Would you like this paper? >> Sure. >> Okay. >> My understanding on that is that uh >> it's up to you. It's up to the town. >> And we really have we already have existing handicap parking on Lake. Did
you not know that? >> Okay. That's state. You said >> no state the municipality. This is the state. There's nothing in the county. They refer to this. >> Okay. My understanding and again we'll take this into further consideration
when there are legal counsel is that u that is an option for the burough but but in order for us to actually paint a space we need to >> it's already there so we have done it in the past >> you're saying we can just do it without contacting the state or the county
>> you could probably contact them but there's no special permitting so the other problem I have is the driveway thing which I had spoke to before Um, I don't understand why. I do understand why each space in front
of each resident is identified by a car. So, the car breaks. What do we do? You can't look at the placard that's in the car that's registered to that person. I'm just asking. So I mean if you would just I'm not
taking a position one way or another but just for forformational purposes >> in the past like like several years ago like 10 15 years when I was on the road as a sergeant we would come across a lot of situations where people who had the
space would park in front of the space to reserve that for their friends and family that were coming down in the summer. >> I'm talking about >> that that happened all the time. >> That's still happening. So well so that's why I think the changes were made to start identifying the space with
>> the person >> the person and then the space with the one one vehicle >> but again situation if something like that happens we we investigate it's >> knock on the door like this officer so
and so is that your vehicle >> I mean that's all that has to be those stickers you can't even see them from the street so that's you So, makes no sense at all. Um, why are we giving a caregiver a space?
>> If person doesn't drive and they have a living caregiver and they don't have a driveway, I don't see why that one career can't get a space because they live there. >> They don't necessarily live there. >> Okay. They don't. I do care. I had this
in my family for years, John. And not necessarily does a caregiver live there. Every caregiver I had for my mother and father came from the Bronx. I picked them up at the bus stop. >> Okay. And then if they go home to the Bronx every day, then they don't get a space. But if they choose to live in the
place, it says they have to prove that they live there. >> But then they do live there for an extended period of time, Monday through Friday, once a month. Maybe they go back to where they have a residence in another place. It just it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't I put my
mother in into the car through cards. It happens. You can do it. The other thing I have to say is why is it January 1st to January 31st? I don't want to say this. I can just I could have stroke in July and maybe need a space. How is that
why isn't that addressed in there? It's for the renewal. You can apply. >> Does it say that you can apply every time? >> Well, the I think the annual the annual the the idea again, we did not change
this. This has been the existing ordinance for decades. But someone somewhere 20 years ago said, "Hey, let's do these reviews once a year." So in January to the extent somebody becomes the signal mid year, >> I know they come to my office. I would
think that they would be given one if they could. >> Yeah, they did. >> And I think Mr. Mashampin had that idea with the bag. I think that's genius. >> So, here's this copy. You can look it over. >> Thank you. >> At your leisure. Thank you. >> Other comments or questions? Mr.
>> Thomas J. Coan, 6123rd Avenue. Uh, I I appreciate the council reviewing this ordinance and following up on it. Um, I sat in this forum when Mayor Angelad was the mayor and they wanted to cap the number of spaces at 75
which was absurd. Didn't go through. People who lived in town, didn't have driveways were upset about the fact that, wow, it could be 75 of these things. So, there is a frustration for people that also don't have driveways. But what I admire about this, we're
creating the opportunity to privatize a public asset for the benefit of someone who is handicapped. And that is a wonderful thing. And you making people go through the process. I mean, I had foot surgery. They offered me a application for a handicapped space and
said, "I I don't need it." But, you know, some people get better from foot surgery. I can walk 18 holes now. >> Would I need it? No, I wouldn't. So, um, the the fact that you're going through this process to really review the oversight submissions that you're given,
uh, is really wonderful and will really truly help the people who need it. Um, but there's a lot of people in town and and a lot of these folks weren't at the other meetings. This was prompted by residents saying, "Hey, I look at this space for the whole winter that I can't park there." People have been in here
saying that. and um they may not be here tonight just like not everybody who's on the waiting list for the lockers is here tonight but thank you for doing this. The master plan specifically says that we have a parking problem in town. That's a non-starter right there. So
what you're doing is improving the management systems for the spaces that we have and I can't wait till you line the spaces on on Main Street because that will be another big help. Thank you very much. Thank you. Other comments or questions
in the room? Yes, sir. Mitch. >> Hi, Mitch. Car 303 Third Avenue. Um I I love the hearing the feedback from everybody. It really um makes you stop and think and I think that's what this
is all about. Um my first feeling about hearing the ordinance and reading about it, the driveways, it seemed like a no-brainer. It's like, oh, of course you have a driveway. And um uh we're
fortunate. I know uh when my mom comes to visit and we have to get her out of the car. I have a driveway and I think about how we struggle to get her out of the driveway. I'm one of those people that has a driveway that looks like this
and trying to get her somewhere and then of course one side of the driveway is two to three foot high wall that you can't even the passenger side is impossible. So when somebody's driving my mom here, we either have to um
rearrange the car, back up the driveway, do something else. So I can understand challenges that could be faced by somebody who has a narrow driveway. So I've heard people say, listen, even if you do have a driveway, there are other considerations to think about when it comes to maybe it is the width of the
driveway, maybe it's the slope of the driveway that really doesn't help people who need that uh additional access. Um And also with regards to the timing of the uh parking um you know I understand
you know certainly in the summertime we know what the parking is like. Um I my first thought was well you don't have to do anything with the sign except remake them and say this is an effect from May till September
>> and um there's not there's no need to unpaint anything. There's no need to put a cover on anything. you know, we have we have rules about dogs on the beach from October to May. So, uh there's uh you know, no parking on certain streets
because of the street sweeper on Tuesdays to whatever it is Ocean Avenue. So, it's not something novel about informing people about parking through the use of signage that says, "Okay, you know what? in the winter time made very
clear that you know in the winter time you know I look up and down the streets and you know there is lots of parking I don't that may not apply to every single street um I know if you go up um you know Fifth Avenue the oneway street by
the beach plum that just always I think that some consideration could be made for people with driveways um as well as maybe making some notification but it just doesn't sit well somebody we had residents versus
non-residents, but when you're a homeowner in this town paying property taxes 12 months out of the year, you should have the same benefit as other people who are doing the same. >> Before you step down, just I want to
make sure I understood your recommendation. You said, were you saying instead of painting the curb? >> No, no, no. I said I I think you can keep the curves the same way they are, but the sign because I think the sign is not I don't know which way the sign faces.
Um I think it faces when you pull in, >> right? So as long as it's is if it's if it's visible when you're pulling in um swear I saw some signs facing the house, but as long as it's visible that it says okay, you know, May through September,
this is a reserve spot. afterwards not >> I'm just thinking we may if we were look at that as an alternative >> I think we'd have to consider not painting the purpose up but rather maybe delineated >> yes you're you're you're absolutely
right because nobody's nobody's going to be able to judge that and say oh let me make sure I leave you know 18 or 22 feet or whatever the amount of feet that would never happen but yeah they don't necessarily I don't know if there's a rule that they need to be yellow or blue But if they're delineated some other
way, um I'd say people would probably be happier with a little white line. But or we can just keep painting over them. >> Okay, good. Thank you, sir. >> Other comments or questions in the room? Yes,
>> this is >> Rajie McGuire 6 in the app. Um, I just wanted to say that I I hear everybody and it is so
difficult trying to manage all of this, but all I can think of is what's been inherited since the nightmare we had prior to this mayor and knowing a mayoral candidate had his own curb painted yellow so he could have a spot.
This is what we're trying to fix is the nightmare that came before this. And I appreciate as hard as it is and how long these meetings are. I appreciate we're finally fixing things. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> No other questions or accounts in the
room. Look to Zoom. Anything in Zoom? >> I see nothing. >> Yes. >> One sentence. >> One sentence. Correct. sentence. >> I just say again considering that it's
one space, there can be caretakers that don't live in a house that transport that person to doctor's appointments and so on. >> So I think that in overall the whole thing may be a little simpler than it looks when you back away from it a little bit and I hope that it will be
tabled and and work. >> Thank you. Okay, I'll make a motion to close public comment. >> Second, >> Mr. Noble. Yes. Mr. Green, yes. >> Mr. Niki, yes. >> Mr. Weber, yes. >> Mayor Gatosi, >> yes. >> So, before we vote, I I I just want to
recap some of the things I've heard and and ask the council to confirm or or deny. Uh significant concerns raised about um primary residence and one proposed solution was have the ability to create a uh reduced time frame. So,
three to five months for example. um for a lot of residents who own property but still are not primary uh and and I took notes here with that the suggestion was maybe even have layered pricing that is going to include a lot more work as we're paying and unpainting and paying
again um maybe you know that is priced at a higher amount to cover borrow costs. Uh we also just heard Mr. Karp say you maybe there's no painting and and we do it all through signage. I think that might be challenging for our
police to uh to police, you know, because people are just with with with no painting. I think there's a risk of people not following the the you know, the intent of preserving that space. Um there were comments that I captured uh
raising concern about the width of the driveways. I I think that A2 uh which does talk about off street parking and does provide police discretion. I think we could, if we so chose, we could consider tweaking that
language ever so slightly, but I think we largely have that covered even as the ordinance stands right now. Um, because the police could say there's not viable off- streetet parking if you have a 9 foot white driveway. Um, and then the
caregiver placards. Uh, this whole conversation about caregivers, it it did raise a good point, at least for me. I just want to want to the council's reactions. That being, you absolutely could have multiple caregivers. U and what how would we if
we were to tweak this, how would we tweak it? Um somebody said have multiple placards. Uh what we want to make sure we don't do is have multiple placards for every residence. And we probably take us down a path of having to define
caregiver. My daughter's a caregiver. So does she have a placard even though you know she is here for a few hours but we have other caregivers and and my nephew comes and he helps sometimes he's a caregiver like the concern is how do we
control that? Well, you're saying this is and excuse me, excuse me. Um, are you saying this isn't something new? I would ask um, Lieutenant Brownie, how many people apply for this now? Caregivers.
>> Captain Captain Lieutenant Lieutenant Detective Captain. Okay. Captain Yes. >> Sorry. I know. I still call >> I don't have that number off the top of my head, but I don't think there's really that many. That's what I'm saying, >> if any at all.
>> Right. >> Most, you know, my understanding, you know, I I don't monitor, that's not specifically one of my um details, but I really don't think there's many at all. >> Right. And if someone were >> if there's anyone to apply that has multiple caregivers, how would you
handle that situation? >> Everything is handled just on a case- by case basis, and we could look into that and see what's what's the the necessary, you know, does the resident have a car? you know, is do we have is there one primary, you know, car used? Is like I
don't know how many again every situation there's a million situations that we're going to run into. So, we just, you know, you know, adapt accordingly. But, I mean, how many people come use that spot, >> we'll address it, right? And if if they have if they explain to us, hey, listen,
we we have permanent caregivers, but they only stay one everyone there's seven of them and one one day a week or something like that, we would we would deal with that. >> Okay, >> we would find a way to deal with that. >> Great. >> I think the greatest part of this is that we want to avoid a situation where
there's a spot out there and the spot is kind of abused with. And I'm not suggesting abuses it necessarily, but that it's abused, but it's It's a um it's a dedicated spot and you know my friend is coming over and can park there
in favor of the general public. So I think that was our issue in terms of trying to determine um you know that particular spot to that home to you know any registration on a vehicle or whatever that's going to um assign it
for for that specific purpose and not not to abuse that. So, however we can come to that in the most simple way >> and I think that situation we largely I think we largely have covered you know correctly along with with the current
traffic. I think to me the I think most of these things we have covered with the to me the glaring exception being the u the primary residence requirement which we know is the biggest challenge but I as I've listened to the audience and I've listened to others while we could
tweak with the driveway to just you know make a little reference and we could tweak caregiver to better define it I think the the more significant challenge that we would face as a council is whether or not uh We think it's, you
know, appropriate to have some sort of layered approval that says, okay, it's not primary residence, but but if you are primary residents, you know, you pay a lower fee and and you get this painted curve and if you're you're no more than three and five
months or whatever the range, we'd have some alternative solution. Or rather than just a solid yellow, maybe you make it stripes and then the neighbors know, oh, okay, when they're gone, I can park here again because they're seasonal. And I think that's what people say like, I I
looked at this empty spot all winter and it's not aggravating. So you paint it a little bit differently and the neighbors know because that's accommodating everybody >> and have proper signage that indicates. >> Yeah. And it'll say seasonal. >> So it's not just a code that seasonal
search, you know. So then the unless the person goes to Florida or somewhere else. >> I would agree that the primary resident issue is the biggest issue. I mean, you can create all kinds of imaginations about driving with every house has its
own little particular issue. Um, but the primary resent pointed out five months a year and then take that spot with no driveway. Um, you know, it basically takes away ability to, you know, come to
his home. So, I think we got to find a way to be able to accommodate them. >> Yeah. And I was just going to say that I think the best thing I've heard on the primary residence versus non-residents is just the signage, you know, so maybe on the application there's just you find
for a 12 month year round application for a seasonal application and we make a distinction with the sign. Um, I will warn us about trying to solve every single thing. I think we were pretty circumspect and we people did a good job on this. Um, let's not get into the what about this, what about that? What about
we wait till these folks tell us this situation has arisen or that situation has arisen and then this body can address that as time goes on. Not going to get >> a good example. Sounds like it's not
>> it's not really we got none of them. We have five of them, right? We have to address it. What's and again what's your thinking on the the broader issue? I think the larger issue addresses >> that's what I'm saying. I think that's addressed by the sign the way
>> it should be it should be allowed like but through the signage and when people are applying they're applying for either a year round or let's call it called seasonal >> and then the neighbors would know that that is so a general person driving into town may not realize that I guess but
somebody who lives there would know that oh that's seasonal it's identified on the sign and they know they can pull January Okay. So, with that, um um um I'm going to make a motion that and you don't have to support this, but I'm going to make a
motion that we table our vote on this until we have an opportunity. Yeah. Until we have an opportunity to uh make a few relatively modest adjustments, but I don't think they would be dimminimous adjustments. up. I think we need to revisit it. >> So,
>> and reintroduce, >> right? Reintroduce. So, by are we tableabling it then or we're going to have to? >> Yeah, we're going to have to We're going to have to withdraw. I'll make a motion that we withdraw. >> Second, >> Mr. Noble? >> Yes. Miss Green? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Noiki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor Guto? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> One question. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, if the the uh applications have to go out. >> Yeah.
>> Um the table is the length. Could you send out the new applications now >> to start this process? >> As it is, applications have been coming in and we're not responding to them yet until we have resolved this. Uh so we're going to have to come up with some sort of a communication and continue. I I
would think again this is me responding top of my head, right? that will probably grandfather or permit or whatever all of the current ones to roll into January if we need that much time and then figure out whatever the new requirements would be. So there's going to be some ability
to uh not for us not to respond to applications until we know what the law is going to be. At the same point allow people to continue parking until we figure it out. >> Well, I think this is a great compromise to be honest with you. You said you were going to compromise in the beginning of
this uh the last meeting and I think this is really a true compromise and we should all be proud of that. >> Well, thank you for your for all of your feedback. >> The thing we always run into and you know we welcome feedback. We encourage feedback. We just can't always agree
with all the feedback we hear. A lot of times the feedback is in stark opposition to one another. So, uh, but I I think we're always going to try to do the right thing and we you won't always agree with us, but we're going to keep trying. >> And I'm as an outsider and I and I was very I'm heavily involved. I lived in
Jackson for forever and it was a nightmare council. So, I just want to say congratulations on not allowing perfect to be the enemy of good. >> We have special I don't see that. >> Well, I'm sorry. I I withdraw my
statement because I understand it was somebody else's. >> Oh, no. No. >> I Well, you say it's perfect. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> All right. So, we have officially withdrawn 2025-39. >> Oh, sorry. >> I'm sorry.
Mr. Noble. >> Yes. Mr. Green. >> Yes. Mr. Noiki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor, I think I just took a second vote on that. I think we did. I'm going to vote yes ratification of the first. >> Okay, whatever. It's withdrawn. I got it. >> I want to ratify the ratification. >> Okay.
>> No, I don't want to ratify the ratification. >> Let's move on to or the uh adoption >> of ordinance uh 2025-38. This is clearly the beach locker ordinance. We've had a lot of comment
already. Uh but we are now officially going to open it uh to public hearing in a minute. Any other comments from the council or questions? >> Yeah, sure. I'll start. Um, this is a bad idea. I don't see how removing
eligibility of of 150 200 people um to not be able to have lockers anymore after the 2026 season. Uh, you know, it's truly 200 people. Maybe they'll they probably buy five beaches each. Some people buy more, some people buy less. It's a thousand beach badges. I don't you know next year when you're
looking at the numbers you're like oh we had a dip in the seasonal you know it's going to be because thousand people decided that they're not coming here because you can't come off the um list for lockers. Um I I think there are some solutions and I also kind of like what Mitch said like what like maybe we could
hold hold back on this until we actually explore some of these these other options that um for stores for winter stores that were were raised. Um, I was thinking because then somebody else mentioned rooting in wood has a giant front yard. Maybe we could use that. You know who uses their backyard of that
property way? It's in our building got smart. That's what they did. Um, I mean there's a ton of room at the recycling center DPWR that exists. There's the DPW yard. evergreen. We know one's going to turn into the other, but we're probably gonna
have that space uh one day. Uh and then this is this is this one's original. This one's mine. So, I'm gonna Okay, we are building a new bulkhead to go south. You guys be quiet. To go south from third to the edge of town to better protect the the third town. Kind of
proud of this because this was an idea. Said this is crazy that it's not protected by bulkhead. What if the bulkhead what if some super savvy engineer made a bulkhead that had locker spaces in it and still provided the same kind of protection? Do I hear it? Do I
hear it? Okay, so my point is if we kick all these people off the list and say you can't have it and then we then we solve this problem the space I mean what if the collapsible locker thing that was what if we find out it exists and they're 50 bucks uh you know and all you got to do is pay the char tariff from
China you know like still be $200. So, >> yeah, I was going to say >> the the problem is I'm just worried that we're going to do this and then maybe solve this winter storage problem, which is really the crux of it. Um, and then we're going to have all these people mad at us and not come into our town. And I have to ask, where does it stop? I mean,
are we going to tell people the Halloween costume contest that they can't win because they don't live in Red Beach? Where does this stop? Um, Burke, the concessions, just to be clear, the or the surf camp and other things like that, those are concessions. They're not I don't think they're covered by the public trust. It's a concession that
we've had and we can choose to give it or not um choose it. I think they're open to all comers though. Um I will point out that the last couple years, correct me if I'm wrong, we've had no biders on concession for chair and beach chair, beach umbrella um as as a
concession had no bidder. So, I mean, maybe that would change, but um I I don't think that solves a problem for 200 people that are and famously I'm not running for office again, but it sounds like maybe I could run in that city.
>> All right. So, that's it. Thank you for the time. >> Can I please? Um, so I was elected um a year ago to serve Bradley Beach and to serve the residents of Bradley Beach. I've been very aware that there is a
significant uh waiting list for Bradley Beach. We are a warm and welcoming town whether or not um we try and accommodate our residents or whether we continue to um accommodate the out of town
residents. We have so many people in Bradley Beach who have very similar stories, who have been here for generations, who value their history in Bradley Beach, who have a strong sentimentality to Bradley Beach, um who have been to some degree disenfranchised
because they don't have the opportunity to have a locker. Um it and again, it's really an issue of parking. We bear the brunt of the tourism industry in summer uh of our streets being completely full. So if you move a to have to bring uh
chairs down to the beach um and come back and then there's no no parking spot. That's a reality for those of us who live in Bradley Beach. Um there are events uh Bradley Beach has so many summer events through tourism that
welcomes and and brings in uh others from out of town. Uh we have uh weekly um events going on in Riley Park and at the oceanfront that are free to people and so many people from out of town come. We welcome them. Um we have
fireworks, we have bonfires, we have a camp a summer camp program that's largely populated by uh campers who come from Neptune City. Uh we collaborate with Neptune City uh with recreation. So, we're looking to share services in
space with Neptune City because we're adjacent to them and um we do have this agreement uh to you know it it would be great if we could store some of our lockers in Neptune City but the problem is is that there are many other people from other towns and we would not be
able to discern uh the out oftowners from those who are very close out of town and those who are right here. you know, people. I have a sister who lives in Ocean Grove who's not happy with this. She has a beachw walker that she's had for about 20 years in Bradley Beach, but she also understands that her sister
serves on council in Bradley Beach and serves the residents of Bradley Beach um as a priority. So, um you know, we care about our residents, too. Um and I understand the plight of those of you who um have had lockers for many years,
uh who live outside of town. Uh you many of you still arrive with your car and come up to the oceanfront um can just as well you know store your chairs in the car and and do a drop off um in the way
that many of Bradley Beach residents need to do. So you know I really feel for the residents of Bradley Beach who have been on these weight list for a long time. Um and so in that respect I'm very much an advocate of it and we are a caring community. We welcome all of you
to our beach. Uh we create a beautiful beach experience because we are a beach that that you know our community swells in the summer. So there's a lot that the residents um live with by being this
oceanside beach community. Um so please understand that and any of us who are looking to try and serve our residents, we are not looking to disenfranchise those of you who are outside of Bradley Beach. So that's really not the intention. Um so that's that's kind of
what I wanted to say once we go into um public comment again. Um but uh uh there were a couple of points that were made that that that's suggesting that we want to be exclusive to our residents and
that that's a problem. This is something in every town that legislators and people um who are running the town really try to serve their own constituency. And so that's sort of that's been my commitment as a council person to the residents of Bradley Beach
with a waiting list that has 333 people on it. Many of you whom are residents of Bradley Beach that are really not being served. So with that >> Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman. Anyone else comments or questions? We get Oh, sorry.
>> I just want to say that you know read by one book and we got a lot of compassion for our neighbors and I think that's really important the broader community and yes our job is to serve our residents um and then the broader communities. So you know and
unfortunately sometimes that wins and sometimes that loses but um it's a hard place to be. So I think you said it very well. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. With that, I'll make a motion that we open it up to the public for public discussion. >> Second. Mr. Noble. >> Yes.
>> M. Greenwood? >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor Batosi? >> Yes. >> Public comments or questions? Yes, sir. >> Yes. Hi. So, just a couple quick comments. >> Would you mind coming out again? >> Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. >> Bill Kelly 992
city. So candidly, it's tough to talk about this locker thing, even though I'm here for that after hearing the challenges of the complexities of people in handicap party. So that said, we have moved on. So I'm going into that. Um, just a couple quick comments like Councilman Weber said, this really comes down to a winter storage issue. And with
all the due respect to the other two council members comments, if it's not, it shouldn't be a Bradley resident versus a non Bradley resident issue. If in good faith the council is saying if we could find winter storage we'd figure out the issue. With all due respect, it
doesn't sound like the winter storage thing has been examined that closely and I think there should be time given to do that. Um I did some research while I was sitting here. The 500 lockers are stored in about 62 parking spaces in the in the Kent Dy thing. I did a Google shot and
62 parking spaces to to get an extra 150 lockers. You probably only need about 20 parking spaces somewhere to do that. Has anybody asked the columns right around the corner who has an empty parking lot all winter? I'm being I'm just being facitious about that. Right. But places
like the columns are literally in Wall Township that has an empty parking lot all winter. They love to take our things and we buy uniforms with the money that was raised to store it there. So, I just think the idea of as council member elect Karp said, we need to research the
winter storage issue and it's not a Bradley versus non Bradley. If we if we research it and we find out there's no winter storage problem, we really researched it, then move forward with as a non Bradley resident, I would say if there's really no place to be able to find put the winter storage, then I
would say it should be for people. But I think we should research the winter storage. Sorry. Thank you. Other comments or questions in the >> Yes. You >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to ask
you, um, >> we just need your name and address again. >> Ten from Ocean Grove. Um, >> you briefly explained the funding of the beach lockers. Um, and I didn't quite catch you. If you could further explain it to me. I thought you mentioned that
perhaps building the lockers um the initial funding the $600 or $575 that funding was used separate from the beach utilities to build the lockers. Is that correct? >> What I was saying was it's it's not beach utility funds. I think that was
your uh phraseology in your first comments. It's funds provided by residents of Ocean Road and every place else, but we don't co-mingle those with other beach utility revenues and expenses. So,
>> thank you. And I just want to let you know that I actually um use those terms because I viewed the prior recordings on YouTube and you used those um terms and you referred to it um as the beach utility funding and you actually mentioned that it came from the beach
utility funding. So, It is there. I guess we're talking around in circles a little. It is currently as part of our beach utility, but it's segregated. We account for it separately. It's part of the beach utility, but it's it's a wash
in terms of uh cost. We we set the prices to cover our costs. So there there's no profitability, there's no loss. What we will do going forward, just to make sure I'm clear, is we will take that box of revenues and expenses out of the beach utility and and put it
in the current fund. But again, it's not it's not coming from concessions at the beach. It's not coming from beach badges. It's not coming from parking meters. I just wanted that to be clear. >> Sure. But historically, it sounds like you did classify it more as part of beach utility.
>> Beach utility. Today it is >> correct. So technically it belongs to beach utility. >> You wouldn't you wouldn't consider that it's part of general funding. Correct. >> Today it's not too >> today it's not as >> and I apologize for cutting you off
>> but what you're looking to do is you're looking to change what has historically been beach utility a beach utility item. Right. This was built. These lockers have been built. They've been maintained for years historically as a beach
utility item. And now what you're looking to do is you're converting it into a general tax general funding item. Do you see what you're doing here? Is you can't misappropriate appropriate
essentially beach utility assets into a general fund asset. That's essentially what Belmar did. Okay. They got in trouble because they charged for beach parking, right?
Because it's part of the beach utility fund >> and they tried to use that funding to pay litigation costs that were incurred as a result of their town's town's issues that were unrelated to the
beach. So essentially, you are a trustee of these lands. You cannot you have a duty of care to the general common public. everyone in the state of New Jersey who owns and and has a state and a right that extends to the 1800s back to England. Um we all have a common
right to enjoy these lands and you cannot use this like an enterprise a business to generate funding and benefit for your taxpayers only. That is the issue and I really suggest that you look
into it, you review it because these are substantive rights that you are taking away and under the Civil Rights Act, we have a right and a stake on those claims. It's it's a it's a complete violation of the public trust doctrine.
Um, my second comment is I understand the frustration of the Bradley Beach uh, I'm sorry, the Bradley um, residents and the only thing I add to this is that, you know, the way that these weight lists are administered, I don't
understand them. There's no transparency and quite frankly, it doesn't make sense to me. There's a separate waiting list for each individual area on the beach. Um, you have to specify which entrance you want a locker at. And you can't put
your name on every weight list. You have to only put your name once on one single weight list. So, if you're in a very popular area, obviously, and with a lot of full-time residents who, you know, sounds like generations of people holding on to these, then of course,
you're you're going to be on the list for a long time, much longer than to be honest, probably the one that I had to wait three years for, which is on the border of Ocean Grove. Like, I guess no residents want to be on that list. Um, so that's something that you have to
consider and your residents have to consider. maybe change the way the that it's run. And it sounds like there's no transparency. Um why isn't there a list for everyone to see where they are at on the list and how long it'll take them to
get a locker? So, thank you very much. I do appreciate, you know, your discussions here and I understand I believe this is Bond here. Um so, I appreciate um your time and everything that you do. Thank you. >> Thank you.
There's so much to address about just just really quick be before some others join in. Uh I do take issue with your word misappropriation. It's it's fine that that's your opinion. I spent I would not sit here in front of you all tonight and in front of all your
colleagues who were here and many of whom left without having exhausted conversations with our legal attorney and with our CFO to make sure that everything we're discussing tonight is legal. So to use the word misappropriation just I think is
inappropriate. You said u generations of residents. Well, that I've had I've heard others say, and just to clear the record, there's no passing down of this um beach locker rent renter lease uh status to the next generation. If your
child, your dependent want a beach locker and you've got one already, you cannot hand that to them. They have to apply and get on their way. And then finally, you said no transparency. And in fact, we use community pass. It's it's a website that you can go to and you can see exactly where you're
positioned on a weight list for your beach. So just just to clarify in case anyone else had concerns, I wanted to address those comments. Thank you. Rajie, please join us. >> Rajie Magcguire, Stixton Brimley app.
Um, I just wanted to say years that we've been coming to this meeting, residents have gotten up and asked about these waiting lists and we've been told mayor after mayor after mayor, council after council after council, attorney after attorney after attorney that it
couldn't be done. And we finally have such a perfect example of a resident who put in hours of research trying to figure out how come Bradley Beach can't and all these other towns can. And a
resident put in tons of work, stood up here time and time again trying to explain all the research that was done. And we have legislators that took all this time workshopping, discussing it, and actually finally figuring out how we
can do it because the residents put in the work to figure it out. That is government 101. And it's so nice and refreshing to see when it happens. When residents put in the work, talk to their legislators, and the legislators then
follow through and put forth the work as well. and are extra transparent. I'm sorry to say I I don't want to rebuttle anybody, but the transparency the lack of transparency issues we've had in the past compared to what's
happening now is night and day. So, I just have to commend I can't I have a hard time sitting up here like listening to this type of conversation when trans like it's been above and beyond the
emails, blasts, the you know, Bradley Beach, you guys could have passed this whole thing tonight without even alerting any Neptune City residents or out of town residents. So I I need to make that part of transparency very
clear because I appreciate it so much compared to what we've come from. Um, I also want to say that I looked into this a lot too for the sake of litigation issues. And I'm I don't know if I'm
understanding incorrectly, but everything I keep reading states that yes, the beach utility it all those laws cover the necessities, parking being one of them, beach access being one of them. the lockers being a
luxury doesn't fall under that. It doesn't. It's the reason why it can be separated into and correct me if I'm wrong, please. But that's what I've been trying to understand is how the locker can be put into the general fund to make
this residents first only. So if I'm wrong, please correct me. But that's that's what I've come to understand is that the the luxury it doesn't become this requirement that is needed for the beach utility to law to have to cover
that. So um thank you. Thank you for putting residents first. And I I do have friends on the other side of it. One of them's here. And it's breaking my heart, but to see residents being put forth put put first is just refreshing. So, thank you.
>> Thank you. And yes, ma'am. >> Hello everybody. Um, Carol, 4th Avenue, Neptune City. Um, I'm not going to make any legal argument. Uh, this is just coming from my heart. Um, we're long-term residents
and We've had our offer for a long time and when I heard about this I was very brokenhearted. Um I wrote to many of you. Um I just wanted to say I live a few
houses outside of the border of Bradley Beach and I feel as much a part of this community and I thank many of you who live in Bradley Beach and stood up for us today because some of the I had read
online frankly were very hurtful. Um, somebody had mentioned kick them out. We are part of this community. We are not here only three months of the year.
We are here 12 months of the year. And we are the ones who support all of your businesses. When I go to the beach, I do not take any parking spots because we go by foot or by bicycle. Um, we walk to all of
your restaurants. We do our banking here. We use the law office here. We use the gym, the hair stylist, the the garage, the bakeries, the ice cream parlors, the gas stations. We are every
bit as much a part of this community as the people who live here. And so I just wanted to ask you please to think about us because if that does you know if if we lose our lockers it's a major game I I don't even know if
I'll be able to go to the beach anymore because it'll be that hurtful. So I just ask you please do consider us and again I thank those of you who spoke. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes, >> Nancy Costa 619th Avenue. Um, Mr. You
mentioned the recycling center, that lot, and we were just there and it's this huge empty space, right? >> Wouldn't that be a great place to put lockers? >> That's why I suggested it. >> Right. I'm just
>> However, for the record, Mr. whoever hasn't talked to the head of our DPW. >> Oh, of course. But I'm saying that that's >> But he said we can't transport lockers to that space. >> We I mentioned this earlier. >> It's oversized equipment. It's not
allowed to be on the streets. Perhaps we could get permits. It also jumbles the lockers. It makes, you know, makes them uneven or whatever unbalanced. He told me we tried we before any of us were up here. Bur Beach tried that a number of
years ago. Put them in that space. Uh, and it wre havoc on the physical lockers. We stopped doing it. >> But we get them to that parking lot by the same they drive down Ocean Avenue. >> How do we storm them Ocean Avenue in
that parking lot? >> We drive them on the beach, >> but it has to come up on Ocean. >> I guess they can do it for 10 people. It's legal because they're >> Anyway, It's just just so people know the facts and that we researched this to
the nth degree, but please continue. I think Laura, you're next. >> I would just ask you and it's funny because the thing is I I wish when people moved into town they received a pamphlet Lauren Ed for evidence.
>> They just um Oh, heard it. They I wish they issued a pamphlet on how government works and and and also that people felt safe um giving their opinion in the government space. Um maybe what
ordinances are being um discussed could be sent out via email as opposed to just going to the website to look at them. Um, I don't know. But I I wonder and I don't know how many more people would would pay attention, but I wonder how
much how many of our residents that are on that wait list would say, "I want a locker that somebody's had for six years with the understanding that it renews and they paid an entrance fee that was even bigger and I want them kicked off so I can get that locker."
I'm not sure the percentage of our residents that would want to see that happen, you know, and I also noted that the people who have come to talk about the hardship of not having a locker um tend to be a
little bit on the older side, do you know um with not feeling as comfortable? Like I see people walking down the sidewalks in Bradley Beach with the with wheels on the thing and they you know and taking a whole bunch of stuff to the beach and um somebody mentioned well my
son does it now. He pushes that. I think that it deserves creative exploration to see if there's another way if if if lockers can be aortioned. Maybe there can be a preferential age difference in
terms of where you go on that list. I don't know. Um I too would ask that or maybe what you could do if you must pass the ordinance tonight, pass it with with at least with the grandfather clause, you know, and I think that also protects the town
because the part it's not just the separation of the funds and what can be done on the beach that concerns me. It's the expectations that were given when people bought into this. And I also have been around courouses long enough to know that it's not just expensive when a
case win, you know, when somebody wins a case. And very often we settle for a great amount of money for cases that didn't have much merit from the very beginning. So, you know, I don't think we need that in order to or anybody in
town wants that in order to move up a whole lot faster on that list. So, I just again ask you to put the brakes on to to see if if some adjustments can be made here. >> Thank you.
>> Yes. >> I mean, go again. Um, I just want to come back and say, Brady Beach has been a mainstay for me personally, but listening to what a few of the
council people have said, um, I think withdrawing it at this point, looking into more detail of it so that the residents and non-residents, I mean, I heard some wonderful things where possibility of other parkings,
possibility of foldables. Um there god knows what can be made today. Um so that there are options where those who have lockers and the 333 and probably the another 50 more after that in the next
year that are going to want one um may possibly be able to all be happy at the same time. So, I'm thinking if you withdraw now, it especially when you said you're not putting into effect until 2027, right? That's still correct.
>> So, it gives you a little bit more time. We get through this summer. We look at all different options as to where can you store um and yes, I don't know. I mean, can they be stored on the boardwalk, >> on the side decks of the parking lot? I
I don't know. There's there's different areas. Um I also I I grew up on Mave Avenue. My locker moved me to another beach. So I'm now on the end. Like I said before, my mother um
she's basically born and raised as a six-month resident, April to October, April 15th to October 15th, her entire life. She's now 83. Um, this past summer the, you know, the I love the paths on
the beach. One of them had some wrinkles in it. Her flip-flop got caught. She's carrying uh her lunch bag. Face planted. Okay. Had to get a new bridge. Had to get some things going on and everything else. Still going to doctor's.
Everybody was saying Sue Bradley Beach. my mother, myself, my family, I would not let Bradley Beach do that. Um because it it's from our heart. So for us to feel like that we're now getting
kicked out, you know, if that comes about, I think just withdraw it now. Look into it in every details and options and share with us. We've asked for this area as a storage. We've done this, we've done that. you know, I I heard the columns is always empty and
that's sad because it be busy now. So, um, just reconsider there. There's more details to look into. That's all I'm asking. >> Thank you. Other comments in the room? Okay, we got a number of them. Start
with you. Next with you, Don. Thanks, >> Don Greenberg, 302 place. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. So, uh, first of all, what what she just said, what Eileen just said, and what Mr. Weber said, take the time to explore this a little
further. It's not even Thanksgiving. All right? Lockers don't start until Memorial Day, right? >> April >> or April. The applicant applications don't start till April. Look into it a little more. Uh, if you guys don't have
the time, get a volunteer committee. I volunteer. Okay, I would be happy to help look into it, but if you pass it now, you're going to piss off so many people. I mean, even if it gets repealed at some point, you're still going to piss off so many
people. And just one point, and a lot of residents, a lot of fellow residents won't like what we got to say, but residents don't own the beach. The beach is held in trust for everybody. Okay? And those lockers are on the beach.
>> Okay? So, you know, it's not about that the resident should have first priority for what's on the beach. Residents don't own the beach. But I get the frustration. Hey, I waited four years for a locker. Okay? You know, I'm on the north end, so you know, I didn't have to wait seven or eight years because it's
not as popular. But I I really implore you guys just hold off, table it, you know, do some more research, get get some volunteers to help you do it. And I think it'll make a better decision.
And other than that, I'm I would say I'm just I'm glad I'm not sitting up there having to make this decision because it's it's a tough one. Um and I know your intent is good. Um, but if you pass this, the result will be disenfranchising people. And I know
that's not the intent because I know you people, you're all good people. But if you pass it tonight, you will disenfranchise 200 people. That's all. >> Thank you. >> Uh, Mr.
Thomas J. Co3. If you do want to do a committee, I would volunteer to be on it. Mr. and I work very well together. >> That's right. >> Um, you know, you're going to be, you know, if you don't pass this tonight, you're disenfranchising residents. I mean, these people came out
here tonight in this big crowd and they were they were reticent to come here first. Just took the first guy, give him a lot of credit. And they they said what people have been saying in these meetings for years. Why can't I get a locker? So, uh, let's not forget that.
I'm a little puzzled about how this works because um I have a bestkept secret for Fourth of July weekend. Um I actually go to Memorial Park in Neptune City because it's not as crowded as Bradley Beach and I go suffing and kaying and I got tired of dragging the
kayak out there. So they built a kayak stack thing and I called up and I said, "Hey, can I get one of those?" They be like, "Oh no, it's Neptune City residence hall." I'm like, "What?" So I I got to look into that. Mr. Greenberg. Um anyway, uh the problem Bradley Beach
is Bradley Beach is burdened by what has been because Bradley Beach does it the wrong way when they begin. So, this reminds me a lot of the meeting where everyone was crazy about the benches that were lost in Hurricane Sandy. I had
a memorial bench for 25 years. My aunt Sally's name was on it. I needed to be put back. Well, they paid 500 bucks back then and now the benches are 1,500. Is there no written document, nothing? It was it was it was a horrible meeting.
So, the parking horrible foundational documents. That's why we are where we are now. So, I admire you for taking this on because I've been in here when the residents have said, "Hey, you know, um when am I going to get a lot?" So, um
you're in a you're you're not in a difficult position. It's really about the residents of Bradley Beach. Um, in in terms of the the law, you know, sometimes new law gets needs to get made. There's lawsuits about the beach all the time. You know what? Let us be the one because I don't understand how
Aspbury Park does it. I don't understand how Spring Lake does it, but for some reason, Rally Beach can't do it. So, we're um I I don't really want to see 800 blockers on the beach. I mean, it's it's not that attractive as it is, but it functions. But again, it was never
set up properly and I appreciate you trying to repair the parking and repair the lockers. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> So, and Gore, thank you. 8404th Avenue City. And again, thank you. You are all
in in a hard place. I I understand that you're trying to write a wrong and and and put order where order wasn't there. So, that's always a place to go. I think out of everything that's in your ordinance, there is one thing that you could fix, and that would be item B3
where there's Yeah. B3 that I that a a person or a family owns multiple family homes and they have multiple family lockers. And so I go back to the come to the next meeting that you have on this if you have another meeting and you I
and I I encourage you to not pass tonight without getting numbers and find out how many of those lockers are set to a single you know one person owns five, six, eight lockers on the beach because they've got investment properties and they got them as a as a courtesy to
their investment. even just making um that way you're not what if you table this but you only pass that one piece of the ordinance you're still not disenfranchising the Bradley Beach residents because nobody should be having two and three lockers and four lockers so that way you're saying hey we
we we we're still doing some more investigation but we know this one thing for a fact you shouldn't own more than one locker in Bradley Beach right so you would be able to you know do a little ying and yang there but I I I encourage you and Mr. Canon, I brought my contract
with me. So, if you want to see the contract, I brought it with me. Um, and and it's kind of loosely worded. If I would say anything, get that figured out. >> I definitely didn't write it. >> That's okay. That's all right. I I'm I'm a I'm with legal. I'm a legal consultant. So, but it's it's kind of
loosey goosey as far as to what happens with that money. The first year it was 545 and every year after 200. The next question that's going to come back to somebody is they're going to say, "Well, I just paid $600 last year and I'm not going to have my locker. Are you are you refunding me the 400 differential?"
Because that the 200 would be the the the fee. Are you prepared to prepare, you know, to refund 400 whatever that number is back to the people that you're going to unengage, disengage with? So, not anything anybody else has said. Come
with your numbers. know how many residents, non-residents, how many lockers, what we've got, what our prices are. You can't make informed decisions without data and and you don't have the all the right data. You know, even even when you're to your parking situation, come with numbers. Numbers don't lie.
That's how we make decisions in life. So, I I implore you not to say yes. I understand, you know, the Bradley Beach residents wanting to be there. I'm at 12 I'm here 12 months, and I'm hoping I'm here 12 months for a whole lot of more years. So, um, yeah, we want to help you
and I, as a Neptune city, I'm not involved in Neptune City government. I said I'm not doing this ever again. But, um, I would I would help if you do need research. I don't I don't mind helping as an external. I don't mind helping. I'm really good at research. I do it all day long. So, table table everything,
but be free. And then at least you will have done made somebody happy to say, "Hey, we took care of that problem." And you're, you know, so you're making little steps. It goes back to the parking. Make little steps. Don't try to fix everything all at once. Just say, "Okay, this year we're going to say this
and and with the full intention to say, "Next year we're going to do that." And then you're building on where's the problem? What problem are we solving? Instead of let's just try to solve everything all at once. Thank you again for your time. You're not in a you're not in a happy place, I am sure. Thank
you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Mayor, can I ask a question? when you had indicated that there is space on the on the beach to have about 150 more >> 100 to 120 >> 100 to 120 and we currently have a
waiting list of 333 >> so that it doesn't solve the problem >> well you can always put lockers against the bulkhead too then I'm sorry but yes sir go
No, it's okay. >> I'll give it a shot. Don't worry. >> Uh Chris Lenegro, 8104th Avenue, Neptune City. Uh I'm just asking that you do please table it. There are so many things that could be um addressed. Most notably, as he said, finding storage
areas. Uh it would be kind of, you know, it's going to cause a will. It is. And again, none of us are going to be spiteful or do anything wrong, but um your words were best piss people off. You know, it it is disenfranchising. It's a little bit insulting. I know you said you're here to represent the people
of Bradley Beach. Uh, and I think a lot of us made it very clear. We do feel we are part of the Bradley Beach community. We really, really do. I bring my granddaughter to play in the playground. Play the and it's great. I appreciate it. The only difference there is that I don't pay tax dollars in Bradley Beach.
So, if it's a matter of dollars, then you know, I hate to bring it back, but you know, we don't people, the taxpayers don't pay your tax dollars to own the beach. And I don't even like having this argument because to me, it's not about money. It's really not. The solutions
are, as you said, storage, uh, possibly some of the some other type of device. We see all these things, you know, like the outdoor storage units that we all have, right? You know, the hefty ones, what maybe that's a possibility. Maybe there's something. Bottom line is I think there are some solutions that
could be researched and maybe find something good without making this movement. It doesn't have to be done today. Lockers aren't done till the spring. This is something that wasn't going to go into effect until 2027. I'm just really asking that before it really
starts an uproar and um people say their feelings are hurt, but you do get disenfranchised and and bothered and spiteful and you don't want people not to have that feeling of being a part of this community. As I've said, I'm not alone. We take care of things. We take
care of this town like our own, right? You know, our own town, Neptune City, or wherever we're from. We don't want this. I don't want to see a change. I want to feel us for them, right? So, I just want to ask you please to at least wait until we've researched all the different uh options to to do before we do this.
>> I just want to point out the storage element. >> Yes. >> Right. If we do secure storage elsewhere for additional lockers, we only have enough space on the beach for 120. So, that only takes care of a third of what's currently on the waiting list.
So, it doesn't exactly solve the problem of finding some more storage. They're just adding 100. >> That's that's one of them. other type and if there's other types of storage maybe that might be that we could fit some more. Someone just said against the bulkhead. I was digging the same thing up now where along the dunes. Why can't
I mean I'm there's a lot of room up against the bulkhead. I'm not sure why that I mean we could check also there with the DPW. Why can't they be you know facing each other? Dunes facing back bulkhead forward. I'm not you know that's how they actually do it in right
and in Belmar. So, it's obviously not a not a little thing that you can't put against the bulkhead. And again, truthfully, I wish we could do a lot more like that to make a lot more money. That would be wonderful if the more revenue could come in. That'd be amazing. It really would. Not often to
pay more, but more revenue would be great. Again, I I just implore you to just research more uh options before we make a decision. I'd appreciate and I I do appreciate you considering that. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Paul. on the champion 411 and a half Lraine
Avenue. I am a Bradley Beach resident. I have a Bradley Beach locker and I think it's a very bad idea to exclude non-residents. Um I've had a locker actually from from day one which brings up some interesting
issues. Of course the contracts were quite different back in day one. Matter of fact, there were no lockers. So, of course, when we paid a fee to have them built, they were built with the money that we paid for that. Um, matter of fact, we were led to believe that
basically that, you know, we actually owned that box then. And in fact, the burrow put our names on the box, not a number. There was a number, but also name plates. And that lasted for one year when they realized that was problematic. You've
inherited something that's been problematic from the beginning. It was set up badly financially, legally, everything from the beginning. And you're trying to correct it too fast right now. And I really, I go along with
John. I think that you really have to explore a little bit more other solutions and not rush into this. I think we're going to piss off a lot of people, including me, who has a locker. I don't think this is the proper solution. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Meadow Ocean Park condominiums. I really didn't expect to speak to either of these issues this evening. Um, and we all know my motto has always been
a bad locker is better than no locker. But these lockers have been a problem since probably the second year that Mr. Siri built them. And I've had one since the first year. I think I got locker number four.
Um, >> so much of this, well, first of all, no matter how you vote, >> I implore you to grandfather anyone who does not live here that has a locker, >> not just for one year.
That's just bad if you don't. It's mean. It's nasty. >> As to who then would get the next ones, that's a whole other debate as far as I'm concerned. But this also goes to a bigger issue and
Mr. Cohen brought up the benches during Sandy has to do with how this burrow keeps records and it's not just a matter of gee it's on an Excel sheet because then we lose
the Excel sheets or people did it wrong. I don't know. I'm a big note person. It's probably because I'm a teacher. I still use a spiral book. I don't understand how we never have records of anything. How many times were we told we'd have records of the benches? We
don't. How many times were we told we'll make 10 lists on the lockers? I don't know. I don't touch community pass. But while you're working through all of this and I understand what that I'm sorry I forgot your name.
I live by Ian >> and >> you're in the right you're in the right culture. >> Bure at least. Um, you got to look at the little stuff and see what little steps you can take to improve things because
again, we make the same mistakes over and over again. So, I implore you, no matter what you decide, and I don't care that you have no records because I'm pretty sure I can find my checks because I keep everything
from my original locker. do what's right and make improvements as you go along. It's so important on every level of the way this burough functions. I wish m Mr.
Dy were here. I know you will be playing this, but I don't envy it, but you got to straighten things out. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes. I do have a beach locker. I'm not
bragging. I'm just saying. I share. Somebody want to put their chair in my locker. Had it for over 30 years. I've actually I'm also on the wait list to move for about eight years. A little bit closer to where I am, which no big deal. You know, I am where I am. I have one,
but I can move. The point is there's the people on the wait list. You're talking residents versus non-residents. How many are residents versus non-residents? Because now if you give up all those non-residents to kick them out and you only have 30 people from the town that wants a locker, then what do you do with
the 120 that are empty? Go back and try to find those people and say, "Hey, we got lockers." So, that's an issue. The other issue, which I feel is this town's quaint. I love to frequent the restaurants, but if you're a resident here full-time, how many times
do you go out to eat? You think more of, well, my family's here, I'm cooking, whatever. You do go out to eat, but you look at our restaurants. A lot of them are the outer towners that are coming here to our restaurants. They patronize our stores. We don't even have a shop right here. You got to go to Neptune, go
here. You go to other towns to patronize their places to get food. Outsiders come here. So to disinherit them from something that they've been in some of people 40 years, 50 years, it's not right. It's not right. So if there was
some other way, you know, and sometimes people get spoiled nowadays. Well, I got to have a trophy. I live here. I want this. Well, guess what? Just it is what it is. Not life isn't always fair. But if you know, you can have a car for 50 years. I'm going to take your car away. Why? It's, you know, I know it's a weird
thing, but I just said it's just not right to do. People who've been supporting this town 50 plus years, 40 years, just not the right thing to do. And like I said, if anybody wants to put chair in my locker, I have room. >> Me too.
>> Other comments? Yes. So, um, Linda W3 Brinley, I'm not sure what this young lady's name was, but she actually, now I know another person who has a locker, doesn't use a locker, but pays for the locker because they go to another beach. Does that make sense?
>> Does that make one person who has a locker on one street but lives on another had been put on a list for another, but she keeps an empty locker. You can't say that. >> No, there's someone else. >> I'm someone else. >> Okay. So, I applaud you for going
through this. This is the biggest headache I'm sure you're going to have. >> Handicap >> at least tonight. >> There'll be more. >> I know. I'm sure there going to be more. But, um, it's very difficult decision to make. Fortunately, a lot of people who spoke negatively about combining
residents with non-residents have lockers. I have a locker. I think it's very important to keep the residents happy, too. They do. I mean, I don't lose my parking space because I can walk or ride my bicycle, but I have to bring my husband to the beach. So, I have to
park my car at between 5 and 6 in the morning on any given day and take the handicap spot so another neighbor can drive my husband up there so I can get the stuff out of the locker to bring him to the beach. If not, I make them wait
outside and you can't stand up that long. So, it's hard for people that are handicapped, but I'm not looking for that that specialty anything. I just want to ask this. This is totally off topic. Can you paint those handicapped
um blue? That yellow is so awful. It really is. >> You're talking about the pickup and drop off spaces. >> No, no. I'm talking about the lines. We got spots in town. So >> blue is so pretty. >> I know. I just want to bring that off to
get >> it off. I'm almost afraid to ask. >> Who else has a comment or question? >> We're done in the room. >> Okay. Yes. On Zoom. >> Christine Cruz. >> Christine.
Yeah. Christine. Sorry. >> Yes. Christine. Hi again. Um, I echo what people have said before me. There may be a 300 person wait list, but how many of them are resident?
>> Do you have that number? >> Perhaps >> we do. >> If we so how how many are residents? >> Well, that's the thing people keep saying and it's bothering me a little that we don't have data and we have to make database decisions. We have a lot
of data. We don't have we don't have >> Can you share that? >> Yeah. And I said this earlier, I will I will repeat myself that the data is only as good as what we've collected because we have waiting lists that are people been on these waiting list five and
seven years. We got their address when they signed up with the list. >> We don't track them every year. We had no reason to track them every year because up until this recent time frame, everyone was just on the waiting list.
We were not differentiating. So if we were to change our ordinances, we would have to track them. Right now what I'm told is out of 300 the total now is 100% accurate 333
waiting list. What I'm told is roughly 120 to 150 roughly because people change addresses and we don't know. >> Okay. And then to the point this is all coming up because you cannot
find a location to store the lockers. We talked about that the beach can fit 150 more. There are currently approximately 150 residents on the wait list. If you
do charge a little bit extra to non-residents, which I believe everyone has expressed that they are willing to pay, then you can look for land to store the additional lockers.
What is happening tonight is going to impact Bradley Beach for years. I mentioned my family, but I hear other families from Neptune City, people who would die to live in Bradley
Beach. But we cannot afford it. So we settle for Neptune City. This is gentrification. you are making a mistake. You can move forward with this and keep it to
residents only because when I do save that money for the down payment for my house or I sell the house I'm in right now and I do move to Bradley Beach as a full-time resident, are you going to give me my locker back
then? This is this is a very black and white amendment for a very colorful issue. I really urge you all to table it.
Consider what we've said. Mix our opinions in with the data that you have. share the data so we could be more informed as well so we don't waste your time because we don't know the
numbers but I ask you to do what you did with the parking spaces which is table it consider how nonresidents get impacted by the parking situation
and apply that decision that you made earlier this evening to the lockers as well. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Another comment.
>> Okay. All right. Julie new is 605 Newark Avenue. First, I want to be very transparent. I don't have a locker and I don't want a locker. Okay. >> So, number one, this is not life and death. Number two is how long have you
all spent time on researching this? Because all I'm hearing is everyone saying you're not prepared, you're not doing this. How long has this been going on? So just to educate the public >> months and me personally, I've been more involved than the council, but I've shared results with council.
>> So we've done a lot of >> Thank you for that, Mr. Mayor. So for people just to say you're not prepared, you didn't do your homework. That's just just just not appropriate to say. Um number two, for people just to say just go find land that costs taxpayers money.
That's six months out of the year that we would have to rent property to store these lockers. And you've already have indicated I mean and anybody has seen you know these are just boxes that are put together. These are not you know
storage units you're going to find in you know Publix or whatever. and you have big equipment that's picking them up. These things get damaged, you know, and they're out in the elements. So, I mean, people got to be realistic. I mean, these are not, you know, like
space capsules that are going to last forever. So, but I don't think people are realizing the time and effort that has gone into this. Um, the fact of the matter, there's a cost for us to property to to store these lockers. I live on the 600 block. Guess what? I
drop people off or I walk it. I like to get my steps and I have a little beach buggy that I I haul my my stuff in. So, I know I'm not the norm and I understand people love it. But, you know, and also I'm a taxpaying residence and and you know what, it is refreshing to hear that
you're putting residents first. And you know what? Yes, we all share the beach, but you know, Bradley Beach residents have to come first from time to time. And yes, everybody's welcome. We are a welcome community. I feel that we are a kind community, too. But, you know, like
sometimes you got to draw the line and that's what someone said. So, that's all you're going to hear from me. I thank you for the time and effort and we have to do what's best for Bradley Beach first. Thank you. >> You have one more on Zoom. >> Thank you. >> My iPad, too.
>> Whoseever iPad on Zoom, can you identify yourself, please? >> Hi, good evening. My name is Stephanie Stasiaak and I live on Cheyenne Street in Titan Falls. Um I guess I'm a little farther out than everybody else who's been in Neptune or Neptune City, but um
my husband and I, we actually just recently got a locker this past summer. Um on Lraine, we've been on the waiting list probably for 8 years or so. So it was really nice to see that we did get the locker. Um, I know a lot of the residents were saying that it is a
hardship for them to move their car and drive their things up to the beach and they go back and lose their spot. Parking definitely is a premium. So, I know that is an issue. I mean, the same thing for us even prior to having a locker. I can tell you how many times we've definitely walked, you know, six
or seven blocks lugging all of our stuff and now we have a toddler, so having the locker has definitely been helpful for us. But we are definitely those people that you'll see going down the street with, you know, the beach buggy. I get it. They want a locker for convenience
so they don't have to lock their stuff. But again, if you live in a beach town, majority of people who live in a beach town, the draw is you can just take your stuff and you can walk and go down the street with your things and not have to worry about driving or move your car. Obviously, if you have a handicap or
there's a necessity for that, that yes, I can understand that frustration there. But I would be very upset and again disheartened if you guys did take it away from outside residents. Um, you know, we've been coming there 20 years plus, you know, same thing like other
people. We buy the beach badges in the summer, not for us, but for friends and family and in the summer it's like, you know, I we only live 15 minutes away. So we're there from prior to Memorial Day weekend through, you know, the last warm days in October, during the week, on the
weekends, and just as much as the locals are. So it would be amazing if you guys could either table it or still consider, you know, grandfathering people in who are not residents of Riley Beach. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Other comments or
>> something? Okay. Any other is that? >> No, she raised hers. So, >> okay. So, with that, I will make a motion to uh close the public >> second. Close the public hearing.
>> Thank you. Uh second, >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Mr. Green. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Budosi. >> Yes. Okay. Um, any comments or questions that the council wants to consider or share
before we vote? >> Good. So, I don't know whether I should say this now or say we're going to go through a vote. >> You might influence us one way or the other. Um I as I had mentioned before, you know, I'm here to serve the
residents of Bradley Beach and I understand, you know, the the plight of many of you who have their lockers um who are out of towners um whether it's city or wherever else. Um
I uh I also um feel I I recognize that there is a time frame that we can work with because we are planning this for 2027 and would be open to really doing a deep dive into our lists and
understanding. Um this would require a lot of research to understand where the people are who are on currently on the list. uh and then do a whole verification process of the people who are current lees um because we have the time to do that
and I would give that um um that time um and consider that uh because I don't think we have to rush into it necessarily. However, um what it boils down to for me is serving the Braden Beach residents. Um and we are again I
just want to say we are a very open and welcoming community. Um the beach is open to everyone. So if you have a locker, you don't have a locker. Um we're not closing the door to anybody. Um we're just trying to better serve our residents when there's an opportunity to
do so. So with that, I'm kind of on the fence about my vote and I was very prepared to vote in favor of this. Um, but I think that if we do do the due diligence of really understanding the
hard numbers that we have, um, and what the needs are so we can prioritize our residents. um if there's a need to, you know, if we have if we find that we have 150 residents on this waiting list to to and
and the ability to build some more lockers and are able to store the lockers. I would be in favor of that >> of doing that and and I would also, you know, um we would have to kind of square the finances of it and it would also be
in favor of the residents in terms of differentiating costs if there are extra costs if we had to build the lockers and then also store them. So, I'm kind of wavering because I do understand the importance of so many people who value
Bradley Beach. I do prioritize our residents because that's my role um as a legislator. Um but I would put this off and do a deeper dive, have a better understanding of what we don't know in the lists.
>> Okay? And again, it'd be better if we didn't necessarily suggest which way we're voting, guys, but uh rather make comments. I'll make I'll make a couple quick comments, but one is u there's so many moving parts here.
I guess it's it's probably hard for those of you who have come, especially to a council meeting at Bradley Beach for the first time to to understand what I'm about to say, but we're really not heartless people up here. We really care not only about our residents, we care
very much about our broader community. We understand people who have lived here for years, families who have lived here. Uh there we I I speak for myself, but I think I can speak for the council that we are just very compassionate people and we
are always going to try to do what's right. One of the challenges I've had is a lot of you and understandably you've come here to, you know, to speak up for yourselves, but a lot of you have made really compelling arguments that what
we're doing is not legal. Honestly, that falls on deers to me because my attorney is telling me it is legal. So if if a lawsuit comes, I you know, obviously we hope it doesn't, but we've been educated
to believe and if we if we didn't believe this, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but we've been told that that uh the uh the public trust, despite what many of you have said, does
not apply to lockers. and and this young woman near the front, you you mentioned and I appreciate that you done some homework, you mentioned I personally have said in prior meetings I in prior meetings over the last five years have said I believe you did public trust doctrine did apply. So, I'm I'll be the
first one to say you can find video of me saying that. And I stood fast and defended everyone's equal access to the beach only to learn over the past few months with many of our own residents, you know, raising concerns that in fact
I was I was mistaken, at least according to our very learned uh learned uh council that may put out there's 500 towns within 10 miles that do. This isn't my This isn't my individual legal opinion. There's five other bureau attorneys.
>> No, >> including Barry Cook in Avon who's been there for 40 years and fought multiple different public trust doctor lawsuits on behalf of Avon. So, I want to point that out as well. It wasn't just I also consulted with them as well. >> I I've talked to other mayors in other
towns. The bottom line is I just want everyone to understand when I'm voting it's not going to be about legal arguments because as far as I understand it this is something that is legally uh you know uh appropriate for us to decide one
way or the other which way we want to do it. But we're not in our minds none of us believe if we vote to change that we're violating a law public trust doct. Um, you know, others have talked about, well, you can make more money or you might lose money or, you know, whether
it be our merchants or whether it be uh loss of beach badge revenue. Um, honestly, I I can't be persuaded by these arguments just because ultimately I've got to do what I think. I got to vote for what I think is the right thing
for Bradley Beach. Um we recognize people have pointed out well you might not get enough lockers to fill the void and we might lose money understood that understand it completely might lose beach badge records people who have purchased badges for I don't
want to sound harmless I I I want to say you know I embrace all of all of the folks from uh municipalities outside of Bradley because you are part of our broader community but at the end of the today. Uh, you know, it's it's not going
to come down to, you know, that that notion of community because I guess there's this one other thing and Sean, you just alluded to it and folks have probably noticed that I'm already a little sensitive to the fact that you keep saying we need to look at more data. I I I disagree with you.
Just, you know, respectfully disagree. You were saying drill down more data. We drill down. I think personally, and everyone's got to vote their own mind, but I think personally we know enough that it doesn't matter what percentage of people we have with lockers and what
percentage of people we have on the waiting list, resident, non-resident. It doesn't matter. All that's going to tell us is how many dollars we win or we lose here in making this move. I think we all have to just vote for what we think is right. whatever right means to me I'm
leaning right is our our our residence but I want to say a really important thing to folks I am not at liberty to say to share with you all the conversations I'm having trying to locate property I said in the very beginning of this meeting it's all about
the storage everything else is secondary because if we could create the lockers and Johnny you mentioned we could build another 100 lockers we can but we can't store So right now if we if we grandfather everybody long term you know multiple
years until you know until they no longer want to go to the beach uh we're not to me that's not a solution because it's not addressing the storage issue and it's not addressing the waiting list issue. So what I wanted to say to
everybody is I think the grandfathering of one year we haven't discussed this but I want to say it before we all consider voting. there was discussion about eliminating uh the lockers immediately
with with this current beach season and we went back and forth and not everyone on this council was in agreement but we got to an agreement that we would grandfather one year in now that doesn't move the the waiting list at all but what it does is it gives us all and me
in particular more time I'm I'm talking to other uh I don't want to say individual idual, but I'm talking to other entities that might be able to provide a space at a reasonable cost and maybe we can solve this. Maybe we can't. No commitment to
anyone. But I just want I I just want people to understand we've been we have data. We're doing research. We continue to do research. As recently as this morning, I had a call about potential property. In my opinion, we still have to make a decision. and grandfather.
Grandfathering, as you said, buys us all basically a year. Um, and hopefully if we find solutions that work for everybody, including that property owner out there somewhere, if we were to vote yes to to introduce this, I understand the alienation. I
understand the the people being pissed. Don, I think was your word, pissed. I understand. And and Paul, a few others, I'm just speaking for myself. I understand that. I feel horrible to the extent I'm going to vote >> the way I'm going to vote as you can all
tell, but that doesn't mean we're stopping to look for solutions. So, I want to make sure as clear as I can be on that. um so I mean people should know that I worked on beach access for a good part of my um career and beach access the
kind that is governed by public trust doctrine it's generally open you know in 90% of the towns there's just this few there's a handful of towns in New Jersey that really go out of their way to try to restrict beach access and I will say that those are not nice towns okay they
may be like aesthetic ally nice, but they're not nice in spirit. They're not nice in demeanor. Uh, and I do not want Bradley Beach to join the ranks of those towns. And we will become one of those towns if this passes. And again, I'm really concerned that this passes and then we somehow solve the winter
storage, then we're still going to have this thing on the books. And I just don't think we're ever going to go back and we're going to be one of those towns. Um the attorney said earlier when we're talking about amenities like bathrooms and parking that have been determined that are actually part of beach access. Um Greg you use the words
should the courts extend this to lockers. Well you know courts don't just extend things to lockers. They're not going to read the newspaper next week and say hey we should extend this to lockers. It's because of lawsuits. This happens because somebody sues and somebody wins. That's how this happens.
And I'm concerned that there's 200 people out there and they're not going to have something to spend 150 bucks on next year. That's $30,000. I think I can think of some attorneys that would take that up for $30,000. Like I think this is, you know, um I
know you said the chances are slim. I know some lawyers will take the chance on that. Uh and then we'll be in the headlines again for for all the wrong reasons. So um since my council colleague here is kind of on the fence and has expressed that, I'm wondering if
anybody else on this council maybe would consider tableabling this um and then we know what we're going to do tonight. So, if if that's on your mind, maybe say so and um we can make a motion and do that because we're not >> Well, I following the mayor's lead, you
do have a year to really figure this out a little bit further. A lot of things we talk about is the aesthetics. You're adding more lockers on nature. It's it's nature's It's the birds. It's the the the grasses. Everything belongs there except for the lockers. Why are we going
to put more things on nature? How about this? We are a nice town. I share my locker with someone from Neptune City. Why don't we do a locker sharing program? If you put that on Facebook, hey, I got kicked out. Can you share a locker with me? You know how many people
say? Absolutely. Put put your stuff in my locker. Let's share. I don't want to have more ugly on nature. We have already. We don't need more lockers. We need more forward thinking. You know, share your locker with somebody and stop
building things. It's I mean, to me, I had a locker, but if it went away, I wouldn't care because maybe there'll be a bird's nest there next year, and that'll be good. It's okay. I don't have to have a locker. So, I mean, we're making something a mohill out of a
little doom. This is just it just crazy at this point. Share your locker. Let's just get move on with this. Thank you. >> Yes, I did a little beach here. Yes, you're welcome, >> Councilman. >> I think there's plenty of discussion already about everybody and I think
there is some time to try to solve it, but on the other hand, um I also still towards you know, you know, it's a case of, you know, how do we sort of res >> All right. Well, I I will make a motion
that we vote to adopt ordinance 2025-38. >> Second, >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes, >> Mr. Um, for the moment, I'm going to say no because I'd like to give this over my time.
>> Um, Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. You didn't tell me. >> Yes. And I also want to give it more time. Um, okay. Next order of business is moving to our
resolutions. Item eight. Uh, resolution 2025-336 rejecting all bits and conction of the 54 Ocean Avenue folks. Could we please exit quietly? Thank you for
coming. Can we please stop talking? >> Thank you. 2025-336 rejecting all bits in connection with the 54 ocean a reutilization existing building. As I mentioned, our existing
bond ordinance was not adequate to uh enable us to hire a contractor. So I make a motion that we reject uh that we I'm sorry that we approve resolution 3 through6 to reject the bid. Second, >> Mr. Noble,
>> yes. Mr. Green, >> yes. >> Mr. Wiki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Dubosi, >> yes. 2025-338 grant. Permission for property located at 121 Main Street to maintain Oh, okay. This I'm going to make a motion. We've
learned more about this. It really needs to go before the land use board. So, I'm going to make a motion to withdraw. >> Second 338. >> Mr. Noble? >> Yes. >> Mlat? Yes. >> Mr. Noiki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. Mayor Kubatosi. Yes. The next one, >> please. >> Okay. The next one is um ordinance
2025-339 authorizing the Burough Bradley Beach State Tree Commission to submit a grant application with the New Jersey Forestry Service. I'm going to make a motion that we withdraw this. They were going to apply for this. It was for the
preparation and development of a plan which they already have. So, they can apply for it after all. but they can apply for other grants like the one that they did for $40,000 also for the one that they did for the inventory. So, they're going to apply for different
grants, but not this one because they cannot apply for it because they do have this plan done already. So, I'd like to make a motion that we withdraw ordinance 2025-339. Do I have a second? >> Second, >> Mr. Noble? >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Noiki? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubosi? >> Yes. >> Thank you. 2025-340 approving an official logo for the burrow of Bradley Beach to ensure consistency and uniformity. And Mr. Weber, do you want to comment on this? >> Yeah. Um, I just I had make a comment. I
don't know if the resolution was changed or if it would be a friendly amendment. Um, yes, there was a you know, the resolution says there was committee on unified branding and they came up with this logo. I think what we're adopting is slightly modified by um, let's just say the governing body. I just want it
to be down that we're adopting what they submitted to us slightly modified so that >> what do you want changed in the res >> just uh did you share this >> not with Erica >> no great is the one that that directed
the resolution >> this was sorry number again >> 340 >> all right if we just would say uh oh no here we Um in the last whereas um
you know you say after significant work and thoughtful consideration save time and slight modification by the governing body I think the rest of that is fine >> but slight modification of the governing body >> by the governing body okay meaning what we're adopting was slightly modified
Okay, >> got it. >> Anyone anyone who hasn't seen it, the resolution's got a picture. >> Yeah, this is the first resolution I think that comes with a picture along, but >> I just want to say really great work on this. We were definitely overdue for something like that. It's fresh. It's
it's current. It looks really nice. >> And it was a good effort. It was I know I was part of the group and it wasn't an easy decision. We had a lot of good ideas and >> I'm glad it's it's it's done. So, thank you again for all your work. So I make a motion.
>> Go ahead. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that we got sorry resolution 2025- 340 approving the official logo for the B of Bradley Beach. >> Second. >> Um Mr. Noble I approve.
>> Mr. >> Yes. Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dubosi. >> Yes. Okay. The next three resolutions are basically all the same resolution. We are just uh officially authorizing the sale of uh three different burrow
properties that were that you know are about to close related to uh the demolition of the of the church that used to be on. So 2025-341 authorizing the sale of the bur property located at 317 Lraine and I won't read
the rest but I'll make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. Matt. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Hubosi. >> Yes. Make a motion to approve 2025-342 authorizing the sale of bur property located at 321. Lorraine.
>> Second. >> Mr. Noble. Yes. >> Mr. Greenlet. Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kubosi. >> Yes. >> 2025-343. Authorize. I'll make a motion that we approve uh authorizing the sale of burial property located at 606 Mass.
>> Second. >> Mr. Noble. Yes. >> M. Reboot. Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubosi. >> Yes. Uh before we adjourn, we don't have council comments. I'm going to offer to those of you who remain on Zoom in here.
Uh very happy and healthy holiday. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you all for coming and bearing with us. I know it's a a long and somewhat intense meeting. Anyone else? >> See, it's a bonfire. >> A bonfire. >> Okay. I will make a motion that we do
second. All in >> favor's There's only three. >> Yeah, we are. I don't know. Hey. Oh, let's go.