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later in the probably after this makes me look grandch but I should know the break away. Okay. And if not, we can do Monday of Monday, Tuesday of next week. >> Let's text me when you start to figure
out your calendar. >> Yeah. And then maybe more about financial things like that. >> Financial just Yeah. Just like what look like
you asked if that was very >> Okay. I'll just text you with that. So the things to do that was the first question. We don't say hello to no once I saw her new but so 37 is not
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>> Good evening everyone. Thank you for joining us tonight. Um, we have a we have an interesting agenda. We'll get to that in a moment. Um, in that we're going to have two workshops and I'm hoping we're doing these workshops uh to make sure that the
public hears us deliberate. We're not necessarily making final decisions. Uh, but we but we have some pressing issues. We want to make sure we as a council address them, consider the pros and cons. We want you to hear us address them. and we welcome your
feedback. So, uh I think that'll be an interesting part of the evening. Um be before we get to that however I want to make a quick announcement that anyone who's interested in um end of last week Friday end of the week Eric our clerk uh
posted an agenda and that original agenda included uh an ordinance amendment that was labeled 2025-37 it related to affordable housing and overlay zones. Uh we will not be discussing that tonight. In fact, uh, I
asked the clerk to remove that item from our agenda, uh, because it needs more work. We put it on the agenda last week thinking we'd be in position to, uh, get through it. We're not, but we will address it at a later date. So, tonight we will not be talking about the
original, uh, 25, God bless you, 2025-37 uh, related to affordable housing. Instead, our clerk has given us a new 2025-37 which we will discuss. I just want to make sure everyone's aware of that. Now, before we get to workshops, one other
thing I'd like to do, we we have some special guests here tonight, and I'd like to God bless you. >> Oh, >> and we'd like and I'd like to make a motion to uh to move to uh presentations and bids, which is right now item six on
our agenda. >> Second, Mr. Noble. Yes, >> Mr. Green. Yes, >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes, >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes, >> Mayor Guboszi. >> Yes, Council President. >> Okay, so tonight we are going to be hearing about the incredible work being done at the Bradley Elementary School in
a presentation entitled a small but mighty school. We have uh two presenters, Dr. Hidleberg, our superintendent, and Dr. Franks. But before we get started, I would like to recognize a few people. And if I say your name, can you just give us a wave because we have a lot of people here
from the school that work hard and I just like to recognize them. Noel, um I'm gonna start with the board members. The um Noel Weinberg is here, Felicia Saki, we have Kate Saluti, we have April
Davis, and we also have Liza Flynn here. And um we also have Tracy Davidson. She's the president of the Bradley Beach Elementary Foundation. and she's in the back there. >> Education. >> Education. What did I Oh, thank you. I'm so used to seeing BBES, Bradley Beach
Elementary School. Okay. And then we also have Melissa Butler who's also with the Bradley Beach L Education Foundation and she's also on the PTA. And we have some of the people from the mentor program which is under the BBBES.
We have Paula Gavin and we have Barb Kenny is here and also Shauna Greenblat. Thank you guys for all your work and uh without further ado, I'd like to introduce everybody to Dr. Elizabeth Franks. She is the president of the
board of ed and Dr. Hindleberg who is the superintendent of the Bradley Beach Elementary School. Take it away. >> So Erica, will you be doing the annotation? Michelle usually does the truth.
>> Well, maybe she didn't know we skipped right to Oh, there you go. Just takes a second. >> So, Michelle is not in the room, right? So, >> we have to verbally say to go to next. So, um, we want to thank, uh, the mayor
and council for this opportunity to be able to share with the community about our small and mighty school. Uh, you know, I've been in town, I've been a homeowner since 1984 and full-time resident for the past 10 years. And for many, many years, I used to always tell
my family, oh, Bradley Beach is the best kept secret on the Jersey Shore, right? Like, not many people knew about it, but we all knew how wonderful it was. And I don't think we can say that any longer. Okay, we've got a lot of publicity and now it's become a destination. We feel the same way about our small but school.
This is a little hidden gem in this town that we feel that many people are not aware of. So, we really appreciate the opportunity to be able to share with you all the wonderful things that are going on at the school. Um, and really what we're hoping to do is invite you into a conversation, a two-way dialogue. Uh, do
you have any questions? and we'll at the end give you place to contact them. So, uh if you could go to the next slide, this is just a glimpse of uh what's happening at our school. So, you'll see students, you'll see teachers. Um and it
really is a a family atmosphere. I mean, I think if you talk to anyone who goes in that school, you can feel it when you walk in the building that that family, that community uh that exists. So, this is just a few pictures there. And if you could go to the next slide.
So, uh, as the board of education, and I want to just thank my colleagues for coming and supporting us, um, because we really are a team that works well together. And we had a goal this year because we felt that maybe there's not this public understanding of our school. We kind of are in this little bubble
that, you know, we want to get out of um, and make sure we share with everyone. So that was one of our board goals this year to really improve that public understanding of Gravity Beach Elementary School. So we have five goals with this presentation. You know who we
are, what we do, uh why it matters, right, to all not just the the families of the students in Bradley Beach, but all residents in Bradley Beach, why it's important to everyone. Um of course, what it costs because we know that's a that's an issue all the time. And
finally, why it's worth it. Why it's worth to support this small lady school in town. Um, and our goal is simple. We want to really ensure that every resident knows about this gem, this hidden gem in the heart of the community of Brandon Beach Elementary School. Next
slide, please. >> So, this is our board of education. So, you see many members here already. Um, but this is really our overall commitment to you, to the community. Our goal is that we want to promote student success. That's very important to us that our our students are are
well-rounded and and ready while remaining fiscally responsible because we know that we appreciate the the tax dollars that go to support our efforts. So those are our two overarching goals that we always keep in mind. Student success, fiscal responsibility, and that
comes down to every dollar counts and every student matters. So that's really what we abide by as we we go through the year. >> Next slide. So who are we? Uh so we are a school district that has about 300 students, right? But 200 of them are at the
elementary school that's uh you know here in Rick Avenue here in town. And a 100 students or so go to the local high schools. And that's important for all of us to remember because um we are financially responsible for all the students in this town whether they go to
our elementary school or our high school. So, our high school students are included um all the way through high school graduation. Uh in addition to our tuition students, I mean to our students, we also accept tuition students from outside the school district. We'll talk a little bit more about that as well when we go on
further. Next slide, please. So, speaking of the high schools, we figured it was easier to show you like where did last year's class go as opposed to discussing all the different high schools. Um so, the reality is that our kids have the opportunity to go to high schools throughout the county, both public and private. In this last year's
class, we had a number of students that went to uh RVR, which is Redbank Regional, the engineering program, the finance program. We had a number of students go to the county magnet schools, uh for example, Mass, which is on Sandy Hook. Uh also the Allied Health Academy. We had multiple students come
to these various schools as well to Neptune as well. We send our students to Neptune as well as a place called Poseid which is a school that is part of the Neptune school district but you will get your associates degree when you also get your high school diploma. And the important thing to note here is that out of all the students that came in our
class last year, 69% were accepted to and are attending a competitive high school. In other words, they had to apply to get into these programs. Something that we're showing how we're preparing our students uh to meet those needs when they get to high school. >> Next slide. Can I just say uh when I moved down here, I have been in
education for a long time and I was really more involved with a a pre-K to 12 system. So when I came down here and saw that whole uh menu of high schools, I thought, "Oh my god, our seventh graders are like juniors in high school because they have to, you know, look at all these options that they have and try
to figure out what is the best fit for them." So, it really is that opportunity that they they make that connection with how prepared am I and what do I want to do with my next chapter and when >> and who are we? We are the teachers and then we have 34 dedicated teachers and specialists that serve our kids pre-K
through 8. Uh 85% of them hold multiple certifications and at a small school that's really important because this allows us to provide programming in various different areas for example in special education and general education. Um I know you want to talk a little bit about all the different certifications we hold.
>> So um Dr. Hannleberg is a great example, right? So he's been introduced as the superintendent, but he's also the principal of the school. So he's slash superintendent principal. Um our supervisor of special services is also a social worker for our school. Um our
director of curriculum and instruction, she wears many hats. I probably couldn't give all the different things that she does, but wherever there's a need, she fills in that gap. um our board uh ad our business administrator is our board secretary. So it's almost like everyone in our school wears multiple hats and
that really does allow for some of that flexibility. Uh we have teachers who teach multiple grade levels. Um and we our first grade teacher is also the family liaison. So if you work at Bradley Beach, you can expect that you're not just going to be doing one thing, but we really encourage and and
we really support and it really helps us to have that student success when we have teachers with multiple certifications to allow us to provide different programming for on a lean budget. Next slide, please. >> Lean budget. I want you. So a little bit about our instructional program. We have
a core instructional program that mirrors most any school um which we have obviously instruction and we can get a math and those things. Um we have targeted support everything from support for special services students uh to kids and talented students. Uh we have full day preschool for three and four year
olds. We have no waiting list by the way which is good. We just opened a third prek class this year because we want to make sure we can service every kid in our community. Um we we talk a little about college and career readiness. We have to start now. As Dr. Frank says, "Our students are juniors when they're seventh graders. They have to really be
prepared for high school because they have to apply to the to the various high schools." Um, and the important part is that we offer a full academic program that actually mirrors a lot of larger school districts. We offer a lot of different programming again on that lean budget. Um, while we're trying to make
sure we're servicing every student. >> Can I just with this targeted support when you see all these different things, that's where our every student matters. So even though we're small, we have children with special needs. We have gifted and talented children. We have multilingual learners. So even though
we're small, we still have a vast array of different students. And that's that targeted support where we say every student matters. We make sure that there's some program that's going to support whatever the needs of that child. Uh whatever the needs of that child are that we're going to be able to support them.
>> Next slide. So just take a look. We talk about what we offer. Think about all these extracurriculars. I mean, look at that list. And this doesn't even include the PTA supporting the third and fourth graders that have club connected. And so again, this goes back to what we're saying. The small school, we still have
a large way array of of offerings for all. And and what's interesting to me about this is that kids really get to explore all of this before they get to high school. They get to try on all these different things and because the flexibility. So we have teachers who have some of the clubs. They meet at
8:00 in the morning. So the kids can play sports in the afternoon. So it's that type of thing that the the school again being small, they're able to to do those types of things. And and I'll take So I have four I have four grands who are currently in the school. I have one
who graduated and is now in one of the high schools. But my sixth grade grandson, he's plays on the soccer team. He's in the band. He's in student council. If you bring a larger district, he may not be able to do all of that. They may have to choose sometimes between band or sports, right? It's not
something they ever to do. But because we have all these offerings, these kids are exposed to all these different things. I met someone right in the beginning about the environmental club that's going down and and working uh at the beach. I it's just what wonderful opportunities the students have here in
Bradley Beach. Next slide. >> So, we have some signature programs that are actually really special to Bradley Beach um and especially in a small school. Uh, one of them you may have heard about is the two-way dual language program. Right? So, this is a program that's usually offered in a much in a much larger district or in an affluent
district. Basically, a two-way dual language program is that students who grow up speaking in one language, in this case, Spanish, and another group of students who grow up speaking maybe at home English, they basically are in the classroom together where they learn in both languages. So, the English students learn Spanish, the Spanish students
learning English. It's called a two-way dual language program in prek and in now this year in kindergarten as well. And what that does, you'll look at the academic research, it shows that your brain just lights up when you learn languages at that age. So we, the more that we do that, we have some of our students who speak English at home now
speaking, you know, really great Spanish, singing songs in Spanish and the opposite as well. So we are really pushing in on that. That's been a great addition to Bradley Beach in the last few years. We also started our very first or most recently an autism program and we do that for two reasons. One is we can help service the students of
school, but also to save it saves the taxpayers a lot of money. For example, some students that may have certain um special needs may cost the district up to $130,000. That's just for tuition. Doesn't even include transportation. But by having our own program that we control, we can
hire people. We can provide the services for a little bit less of a cost or a lot less cost. Again, keeping in mind what our budgetary needs are. So, we're servicing the students again and and and hitting our budget priorities. obviously talked a little about some other things uh as well as our avid college and career readiness and bonics initiatives
that we have. Um these programs as I said uh save our students uh you know give our students great programming but also save us some money. Thanks. >> So we actually just to highlight that two-way dual language program as Dr. Haidderberg said it's very unusual for a small school to offer a dual language
program and this is something that we are extremely proud of. Um, and as a matter of fact, a local realer had shared with us that he actually rented a place to someone who came into town who came because we had a two-way dual language program. So, we're really when we talk about we want to attract
families to Bradley Beach, like that's one way that hopefully we can can bring in more families. So, uh, I think that's really important to, you know, blow our own horn that we're doing something that is extremely special and extremely unique. >> Next slide.
So why is all this mad? So next slide again. Thank you. So Rage Elementary School is a small place. So every student's name is known. We all know each other's you know each other's know each other's names. We really push not just on the academic growth of our students but also the
social and emotional growth. You know our students are precious. We really care make sure that they do very well in such a small inclusive uh community. And we are not just saying that. We're actually certified as a kindness certified school the last few years. So we're continuing to do those things to make sure our students feel safe. Next
slide. But so how are we doing? Right? That's the end of the day. The results matter, right? So let's take a look. In the last couple years, oh sorry, next slide. Uh so take a look at our our our work in our ELA proficiency in our language
artic. In the last four years, we've gone up 61%. That's been our decrease in the last four years. Next slide. >> Can I just interrupt because we were, you know, want to make sure NJSLA that is the state assessment. So the state tests all the students throughout the
state of New Jersey. So that's the NJSLA. So this is that the data from that test from our third through eighth grade students who take that. >> Correct. In mathematics, we have seen a 55% increase in math proficiency. So again, making those big gains that we that we need. And next slide, please.
And in science we have a 323% increase over the last four years. Now I did check with the math teacher. Check my math is correct. But obviously we you know we are improving on that. And why does that matter? Next slide. So again we want to make sure that um the results tell us that our students
are leaving Bradley Beach Elementary School prepared for high school. As I just showed you before, 69% of our eighth graders are getting competitive programs. And that's what this these results why that matters. Um so we had strategic planning session I think it was three or four years ago many of you
may have been involved in it and one of the things that the presenter asked us to think about is like think about the end of this strategic plan and Time magazine comes into the school and what would you like to see on that on that uh cover. So this is the cover we created
and it says breakers turn the tide and picture. So we're halfway through our strategic plan. So we're hoping in a few more years that Time magazine comes and does this um because it really is something that we have been very focused about um in looking at how do we how do
we make that happen. So this part is about the the student success that I said have we one of our goals is student success. So now we're going to >> the school finances right and the fiscal responsibility. >> Next slide.
So the reality is that as if you pay attention to the news, I know you know that that school plenty is being cut. And in New Jersey, specifically our district, we've lost $662,000 of state aid since 2017, right? That's a lot of money for a small school. Um, but
we have to we have mandated high school tuition. Sometimes the rates went up. I think the rate in one of our high schools went up 17% in one year. The tuition rate where we send our students to. sometimes out of district special education needs are very very high and very very costly and those things are
things we can't control. Um transportation is required for every high school student. Remember they can't just walk necessarily to a school in town. So we have to provide transportation uh for our our students and we all know about the inflationary times that we live in and there's been a lot of uh increases especially in health
insurance and other things. These are realities that we're dealing with um that we have to but the reality for us to kind of understand that some of these are mandated services. We don't have a choice but to provide them. Uh we have really no choice but to provide some of them. Um but delivering quality education does require others. Next
slide. So it's important to know that we really do that as much as we can do more with less. We try and do with you know amount of money that we spend trying to ensure that every dollar is accounted for appropriately. Uh we use the bank cap to manage costs. Um we talk a lot about
shared services. I want to thank our council for approving the shared services recently. Um you know the bureau and us are now sharing lawn care services and other services as well as you go along and we want to thank the bureau for that. But we're always looking for shared services. We have shared services with Belmar school district. We have shared services with
about four other school districts in a consortium to spend dollars so we can get things together. So we we belong to a number of those consortiums as well. but sharing services with keyword school district on on um prek. So we share services in a lot of districts again trying to keep our cost down but still
be able to have access to those services. We also do so we as many competitive grants as we can become a really really good um rent with the help of chat TV sometimes but it's really helped us know we apply for a lot of grants. We get a lot of grants you may have heard we got the brand new boilers. Thank you to um the the community
members that have that brought that to us. Brand new boilers that was 300 and I can't remember the exact number. over 50 $350,000, >> right? That we got as a grant, right? So, that's important as well. We just got an $86,000 grant for our playground. So, we continue to look for opportunities to get grant money to help
offset those costs for our taxpayers. Also, we're not just saying that, right? We have 10 years of what they call perfect audits. In other words, there's no bind for more than 10 years now. So, we are being futarially responsible for what we're doing. And as we talked about before, we do use our staff strategically. So, you know, this is, as
I mentioned, our business administrator. So, between our business administrator and our superintendent, they are wizards. Like, every time they go to present the budget, it's like, how did you do this? How did you like take all those things that we just talked about into consideration and yet we still have
all these wonderful services for the students. Um, last year when the auditor comes and he said he loves to come to Brady Beach and he said, you know, I have an audit with no findings. were like, "That sounds kind of b foreign like in educational terms. Does that mean an A+?"
He's like, "It means an A+." I'm like, "Okay, we understand that." Oh, what? No funding. So, um, we really celebrate that. That that's something when we talk about fiscal responsibility, that is something that, uh, again, kudos to Mr. Tanzola and Dr. Haidider that somehow
they're able to with all of these constraints uh, very to make it work. Next slide, please. So, I'm sure many of you received this letter. And so, when I received this letter about like, well, where do our taxes go? These are the county taxes. These are the the school, the library.
So, I really just highlighted and honed in on municipal and no offense to municipal. But what we found is that our school taxes have been lower than municipal tax, at least for the last five years. And that is not typical. So if you go to other towns, lots of times you're going
to see that school taxes are actually higher than the municipal. That's the that's a typical um graph that you would see. So it is something again that we want the public to be aware of because we count every dollar. We ask maximize. We have again folks who are being aware
of all this uh that we've been able to to accomplish this we think is pretty incredible. >> Next slide. H. So, one of the things though because Oh, back. >> Oh, no. >> Right. Back up. >> Back. Back. Sorry.
>> Can you go back? What? >> So, I'm sure we've all heard it. We in the school hear it, right? Oh, why don't they close the school? That'll save our taxes. That'll lower taxes. Why don't we consolidate with these larger districts? You know, that'll be better for us. And
we hear it. And that's probably one of the reasons why we make sure we're very fiscally responsible because we love this school and we just think that we are providing a first rate education for the students in Bradley Beach. And so that's why we work very hard at making sure all the things that we're doing to
to keep us solid. So uh co uh poor cost will remain consolidation will solve all our fiscal challenges. So as Dr. Handburg explained all of those things. Again, we still have those same 200 kids with the same needs. So, even if they go to another school, it's we're still
going to be spending money. We're going to have to pay tuition to that school. And as Dr. Herrer mentioned, we have no control over what tuition is set. So, this year we were a little surprised at the increase that we, you know, were given were told about, you know, after
we were already trying to build our budget and then we were told, oh no, the there's an increase now in high school tuition. So, we have to be aware of that. We don't have any say in what those schools will tell us what the tuition is. Um, and that a larger district will take care of all our needs. And again, we are so passionate
about making sure that our kids have all those opportunities. As you saw the clubs that are offered, we had 25 kids come out for our soccer team, our boys soccer team. We're like, "Wow, these students want to be engaged, right? They want to be a part of what's going on in our school." And um the other piece of
that though is so if we go and we merge with another district, we lose this local control that we passionately take uh responsibility for and we might have one board seat on a, you know, board of nine. So we're not going to have much of
a voice in what gets done, right? What gets said. And so that's something to keep in mind. taxes will go down and perhaps they will but there is no guarantee because of what we've been talking about the tuition the transportation we send kids to other school now we have transportation
those of you who live in town I'm sure you see all those little kids and families you know I drive my kids my grandkids to school every morning you see that we are a walking school district which is another great reason why we have safe boots to school because we are a walking school district so we
save on transportation because of that and of course if we have children with special needs, we are obligated and and morally and legally to to take care of those students. So what we really put our energy into instead of looking into consolidation is the shared services.
How can we are actively always looking with the burough with our neighboring towns and our neighboring districts. How can we share services so we're reducing that cost but we're still providing those programs that enrichment that kids need. Right? We want to do that both end, not either or. And that's really
what uh we really go for, focusing on those shared services. >> Next slide. >> So, we like to say we're small but mighty. One of the things is we have a historical building uh in the center of town. >> Um and yeah, and that's something that I think is precious to many of us here in
Bradley Beach. you know, as we just experienced losing that historic building. Um, we want to make sure we recognize that our public school is a beautiful old school and we take great pride in that uh facilities upgrades, making sure I don't know if any of you
saw the posting uh about the cafeteria floor uh this past summer, you know, how we're really always trying to make sure that that that building is uh stable, safe. The boilers that you did um is is something. And so again, thinking about how do we maintain that? We just did a
Phil facilities assessment and we're in the process of what are the priorities? How do we maintain this beautiful building that's in the center of town? >> And so we've been recognized outside by various different organizations. We just talked about the state safe roots for school and thanks to Chief Arnold who's over there and and the whole town and
the recreation department for helping us get those uh recognitions. But we also uh have been recognized for our college career readiness program with AVID. We've been recognized as a sustainable Jersey as the town is as well. Um, and we've started presenting at other places because some people are like, "What's going on in Bradley Beach?" And they want to hear about it. So, presenting
now at outside places as well. And for me, as someone from a large district, I was just talking to someone from who has lived in the large district. I taught in for many many years. Um, where Academy School just allows us to be more flexible. So many of you are out there representing various organizations in town from the historical society with
the VPCA to the you know various different places that we have relationships with and we can do that in a small school and that's really something that is really special about Beach Elementary School that we are flexible to work with community groups and so if you have a community group and you want to work at the school let us know they're always looking for that.
Next slide. >> Don't worry there's only 42 more slides. No, we're actually bound here. It's worth it, right? Why is it worth it that this town, this Bradley Beach community embraces our little small but mighty
school? Um, we have outstanding student outcomes and I I just I know I don't want to embarrass Dr. Hidleberg, but he has really done a tremendous job in the four years that he has been here. And it really is uh due to his efforts and with the staff um that we've been able to
turn the tide that you saw on that on that freight. And so it is about the outstanding student outcomes, the high school readiness so that we efficiently use the taxpayer dollars um that we are afforded because our goal is to build a stronger, more vibrant Bradley Beach
community. Next slide. So when I first came here, uh someone had said to me like remember that at any given moment in Bradley Beach, there are more residents at the school than there's anywhere else. And it's the heart of the community. Basically, it's the heart of the community because it's kind of in the center of town as well
as, you know, it's kind of the heart of the community in a lot of the organizations and a lot of the the work that gets done. So, we want to make sure we remember that for us and we believe that very strong. We want to still be the heart of of Bradley Beach. Uh we do prepare uh our students as you saw, you know, we're preparing them academically.
We're preparing them socially and emotionally for the future. We're also protecting your property values too by spending efficiently. We feel that very, very important. Um and together we're trying to build a brighter uh and better background on beach for all residents especially fix it. >> And so we want to thank the uh the
council for inviting our students because you see they may be taking your seats with >> they came here to to make a picture >> and the final slide. >> So we're continue we look forward to continuing this conversation. We feel remember this is our board of education
goal and if we go >> sorry next slide last one last one. Um, and so we this is the beginning, not the end. So we hope that we can continue this conversation through small focus groups. Um, here's some information if you would like to ask us questions. Uh,
so you know, every year we have our night museum and open our our school to the whole community, people that live across the streets that have never been in the school, have been here the whole time, but please come out to our open house that we have in the spring. Um, and you know, during the jazz fest, we know that, you know, come see the school and so to support our our, you know,
jazz fest and the community there. So, thank you very much for our time. Thank you for inviting us. We really appreciate that. >> Thank you both for being here. I do have to mention that there is also another Bradley Beach Education Foundation member here who was instrumental in
getting the grant for the furnace, the bro boilers, and his name is TJ Coan. >> Done. Okay. >> Yes. Thank you for that. And thank you everybody for being here. Um the board of ed >> PTA I'm sorry.
>> Oh okay. Go ahead. >> Se has a question. >> Yes. >> Dr. Hleber. I just have a question because we're all and first of all thank you for this wonderful presentation. We all appreciate you know the commitment and the work that you put into this school district and um the connection
that you've made with the community of Bradley Beach. It's very apparent. Um and the concern of the school size. uh do you foresee strategically uh drawing tuition students because of the two very special programs that you've created within the school?
>> We do have some tuition students already uh and we hope to continue to get more and I know we do draw them from our surrounding communities including Neptune City including Neptune uh as well. So we are you know certainly looking to continue to draw students and and when we you know spread the word with the innovative programming we have you guys know we will be certainly
accepting tuition students obviously it depends on the class because certain classes are larger than others and we can't displace any other students. So yes we hope to continue to to get tuition students by building programs that that kids want to be in. >> I mean the autism program is that was that just started this year >> that this is the first year of that. So
we can over time once we you know once we built that program out we could certainly accept other students from other districts especially smaller districts like Belmore places like that where they also you know we need to work together and share services answered your question. >> No I mean but these are critical things
I think that can be very strategic in terms of Bradley Beach not losing its elementary school. >> Absolutely. We have we we have to keep bringing our kids in and making their day. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks again. Sorry. >> Oh, that's it. Great job. >> Good comment.
>> Okay. We're not letting you leave. >> As the person up here that actually sent two kids to the school, uh I you know, I don't think I knew what to expect at all. Uh just it's the close. It's the neighborhood school, so it's fine by me. But, uh it was really an exceptional
exceptional experience. the the the real thing if you get to go to a graduation. I know we get to go. If any of you out there, if you get to go to graduation, I mean, just tell somebody that you're some kid's grandparent or something, but if you can get that, you will know you
you will see the difference and what these folks are talking about, how it's really special and how there's um yeah, there's just everybody knows every kid in that school and well, um just a couple other things. I think there's a lot of hard work. Yes. Very good. There's a little bit of luck and we're
lucky that David Tanzola decided to stay in our school district. The business administrator was mentioned, but this is a man he could tell you where every single dime is in that school and we're just so lucky to have him. It's really great. Uh as far as wearing multiple hats, you know that the the mascot, the
seagull, >> just letting you know that many hats run steep. So, um really seriously appreciate it you guys. spending time kids thrived and um are doing great in high school. So that's >> thank you. >> So thank you all.
>> Thank you to the many folks who earlier raised your hands just identifying yourselves as volunteers who support the school. It's a wonderful community enterprise. So, thank you. >> And you guys are dismissed if you like, but you can stay if you like, >> but um yeah, you don't you don't have to
stay for the whole meeting because you know, you enjoy unless you want to stay. You're more than welcome. >> Okay, everybody. Okay.
>> Right. >> All right. [Music] [Laughter] >> Okay. Um, thank you, council president, for or organizing that particular presentation.
We I now make a motion that we move to uh get back in order item five on our agenda of the workshop. >> Second. >> You don't have to make a motion. Okay. >> You make a motion to reverse it. So >> Okay. Okay. Good. Sarah. >> So we are going to move to item five on our agenda. Uh as I mentioned at the
start of the meeting, our goal tonight is to deliberate in public. So um we want you to be active participants. C council is going to uh explore some of these ideas honestly for the first time. I've talked to individuals oneonone. We
have not met as a group of course. Um and the first topic on our agenda is speech lockers. And let me let me tee this conversation up a little without getting too detailed. There's there's state statutes basically that
have created um law that we all follow referred to as the public trust doctrine. And what that basically means is we Bradley Beach and our government, our our governing body, we are the custodians of the beach. We don't own
the beach. Our residents don't own the beach. Our taxes don't go to pay for the beach. We just have to take care of the beach for all of New Jersey. That means anyone in the state of New Jersey can go use that beach as long as they pay for a beach badge. They can use the bathrooms
and and our residents have to pay the same dollar amount for that beach to use the bathroom and the beach. So, conceptually, everyone has access and we're not allowed to even make a profit. These are self-liquidating utilities. What that means is at the end of at the
end of any period of time our the revenue we collect should more or less come in to offset the expenses we have. We do build a surplus hopefully over time and that surplus is there as a cushion to make sure we don't lose money but the goal generally speaking under the public trust option is that and I
have said this in public for a number of years that um that everyone has equal access. Now I have also understood that to mean uh everyone had equal access to beach lockers. Bradley Beach has beach
lockers. A large percentage of our uh total lockers, I don't know the exact number, it's roughly 400 450 lockers. Close to half of those lockers are actually leased or rented or whatever term you want to use um by non-residents.
And again, under under the concept of the public trust doctrine, that's the way it should be. You you know, you don't get special privilege for being a Bradley Beach resident. Residents in town brought to our attention this year that other burrows
actually do favor their residents. So, we've asked Mr. Cannon to help us better understand what we can and cannot do if we were I'm underscoring the word if. If we were inclined, first of all, if we were able to to differentiate in favor
of our residents, then the second question is, you know, would we would we want to do that? There are pros and cons to this, financial issues around moving that revenue and the cost out of the beach utility into our current fund. I don't want to get too deep into all that
now, but I think what we, the council, would like to do is just understand for Mr. canon uh what we can and cannot do and then to the extent there is some flexibility I'd like us to be able to discuss the pros and cons of whatever those options are. So Mr. Canon, can I
put you on the spot to educate all of us? >> Sure. So, you guys are all familiar. I've talked about the public trust doctrine here before. You're generally familiar with it. Um, there's there's a progyny of cases from the 1970s that essentially govern what you can and
cannot do. The most famous one is really Neptune versus Avon, which has to do with beach fees. You have to charge the same fees to for access to the public beach, which belongs to everyone in the state. um like the general public I should say about state visitors count too and then have protection under their
laws. Um so in Neptune versus Avon it basically said the the court the Supreme Court originally said that the municipality could not discriminate any respect between residents and non-residents and then there were a number of cases that shaped that. Um, two in 1978
specifically, um, were Van Nest versus Deal, which had to do with the use of Deal Casino and the beach that was roped off for Deal Casino, which remains a natural beach, right? There's not it's not man-made or improved uh, in any way. Um and and then
there was the case of Highland versus Allenhurst which was had to do with man-made facilities at the beach which obviously the beach lockers are man-made facilities at the beach and um since then there's been other cases and most recently there was one about parking
fees at the beach and just essentially discrimination between residents and non-residents getting to the beach parking it's hard to argue New Jersey parking is a necessity of getting to the beach so notwithstanding that parking is a man-made facility can't discriminate between residents and non-residents with park parking in
proximity to the beach. You saw that recently. I think it was uh in a town around here that the case escapes me, but that was more recent in the newspaper. Um going back to Highland versus Allenhurst, uh the the main one of the main questions in that case was bathrooms. So if you have bathrooms that
are reasonably that are that are already there at the beach, it's a man-made facility. Um do you have to provide equal access to bathrooms? And the answer is yes because that has to do with public health. You have the facilities available and you can't discriminate between residents and non-residents. But the the Supreme Court
has never required things like beach clubs or things that are only open to residents, man-made structures open only open to residents that are not necessary to to visit and and maintain the public trust public trust doctrine of visiting
the the natural open beach that belongs to everyone. So, thus far, uh, bathrooms are clearly if they're available, then they must be open to everybody. Um, and, um, as you I think we had a discussion here one time of bathroom that you know is open to everybody. Um, some people
liked them, some people didn't, but that has to be the case. Uh, and um, these beach lockers fall into an ancillary. You don't need to store your things at the beach to enjoy the public beach under the public trust doctrine. Uh, and the Highland versus Allenhurst
case distinguishes between other man-made features and narrowly holds its view to the bathrooms and necessary pertinances, which I mentioned before. It's now been expanded to parking, but you need the there's no legal duty for municipality to provide everyone with a
place to store their items under lock and key at the beach. And so you can see in surrounding towns as it was brought to your attention by your residents like Avon requires you to be an individual listed on the tax roles of the burrow of Avon andor a yearround renter of the
burrow aka a resident to access their beach lockers. Um there's a number of other towns that I could list and and go and go through but suffice to say the the courts have never held that this sort of amenity. um which is also of
note maintained by DPW. Um they moved them all around. We store them all year round, not on the public beach, right? They we put we pull them off and put them on municipal property that's that's owned by the taxpayers of Bradley Beach. Um and so I I think that you can limit them to residents like the other towns
surrounding you if you choose to do so. Um legally, you know, I mean, there's a legal impediment to doing so. As the mayor pointed out, there's a number of practical considerations, but legally you can restrict the logical lockers to residents. Um,
there's no requirement. You need to provide non-residents with a place to store their items at the beach. >> Great. It so folks have said I I chatted with the mayor of Avon about this. One or two of our residents have said
there's also some issue related to the terminology we use for beach lockers. Should we if we were to change our policy and be able to uh and if we wanted to uh provide favorable uh
process for our residents? Do do we have to actually call beach lockers something different? Boxes or some other terminology that others have told me that. I just want to understand that. >> I mean, they call it a beach box in Avo, but I think that Asbury Park calls it a
locker and Asbury Park's only open to residents as well. >> I'm not sure of a distinction in that language. I would definitely track those other those other municipalities have a substantially similar very simple locker ordinance that I would I would follow. I wouldn't try to over complicate it and create yards to pull apart if that's the
direction the council wants to go. Um I would follow people around us that you know Avon's as I just mentioned I mentioned Avon twice in the cases and the case law. So um you know I would follow their lead. I wouldn't try to reinvent the wheel
here is my point. And also to be clear, one of the things that got us to dive deeper on this, the residents who brought this to our attention identified Avon as u a burrow or you know burrow municipality that exclusively provides
lockers for their residents. Belar provides lockers for all but they charge uh they give a discount to residents. So again they're distinguishing in favor of their residents. if we were to go in this direction,
there are there are grades of favoring our residents that we could consider. So with that said, other questions for Mr. Ken. >> Chad, please make a comment and then I have a question or no. >> So, you know, we've been hearing about this for a while. Um, I I am personally
not in favor of making it so only our residents can get lockers and probably not even changing the price for for residents. Um, no, the case law was really famous in in my line of work, the one that Greg mentioned, Avon versus Neptune, meaning that Avon people paid
one price to go to the beach and those folks from Neptune, they paid a different price. Um, Avon was on the wrong side of that. Now, it's 50-y old case law. Uh, I'm not 100% sure they'd be on the right side of of this one. And I want to throw one other kind of a a
curveball into this, Greg. Um, there's also case law that replenished beaches are public beaches. It's actually um another mama. They're all mammoth county all these cases. It's Lou versus Long Branch Guy. Well, you, you know, I own down to the water and you replenish down to here, so now I own all that. And the,
you know, state supreme court said, no, no, no, that's not how it work. Replenish beaches are public beaches. So the Army Corps, we found out they replenished our entire beach and from the waters line all the way back up to the bulkhead, they put sand. And if you're the Army Corps, I mean, we may think of it differently, but they think
it's their sand. Like it's their project. So we need special permission to do stuff on their project. Um, we built dunes on that project. And then after Sandy, they said, "We're we're coming back. You got to get rid of those dunes." And we had to undo what we had did post Sandy in terms of building
dunes. And then another example is this bulkhead extension. This goes back many many years, but to do what we want to do to extend the bulkhead further south past third a we needed permission from the Army Corps because we're we're we're kind of putting this thing on their project. They said it's okay because
it's actually providing more protection, you know, so they're fine with it. My point with this is if somebody feels like challenging this in the sense of um you know it's just another set of rules where because it's public money everything has to be publicly available.
I mean this is how we beat back the crazy parking rules they want to put in deal said no no no these are replenished beaches these are you can't you can't have special laws of that favor residents over non-residents. So, I just worry if it goes that way that there's
like this other layer of them, you know, coming down on the side of uh it has to be equally available to everybody and I just don't like the idea of being on the wrong side of that one. So, my two cents jubilation also, Joe, that was just a ruse for a big well
comment. >> Can Mr. Canon actually address that though when we're talking about the Army Corps of Engineers and the replenished beaches? I mean, Avon, I believe, is also a replenished beach. Um, and are we still able to to uh uh separate out the
beach lockers or beach boxes as not necessarily an amenity for beachgoers on on a on a replenished beach? Is there >> We're talking about two different things. So, you know, mine's really a equal protection or or civil rights kind
of discussion. you know what structures can be I would defer to the burrow engineers what structures can be where on the beach I I know that we have a permit to put the boxes out for some period of time but I would def I would defer to the ben engineers like go where
I'm not that's not really my part >> yeah I believe that's a caf permit to the general capital permit to put the beach boxes lockers on the beach and that's and that's because of you know you're you're occupying flood storage is is the issue and it's and it's considered a struggle for instance
that's considered development. So again separate from the issue of um you know the sand being the army corps different agency >> right >> and and or as well as the civil aspect of it from a from a you know a legal
perspective of um but you know I think from a resident's point of view um I know there's a lot of people who have expressed um dismay at the the length of time that they've been on on a list and would like to see the ability to be able
to see a turnover roll or the ability being a resident to have a beach locker. Um, you know, so I know several people came here and spoke to this council and that's what instigated this uh exploration. Um, I think that there's
also the consideration that do you lose um patronage? Will that cause a a a erosion of of patronage? uh because people are saying, "Well, you know what? I can't I can't put store my stuff there, so I'm not going to go to that beach. I'm gonna go to a different beach." And and so that's a
consideration. Um but but as a newer resident here who does not have a beach locker, I would love to be able to have a beach locker. Um but that's, you know, I realize that, you know, when when they come available, but it does seem like they don't move. And so people hand them over, give them, you know, to their
families hold on to them for generations, it seems. And so it is um discouraging for residents who are here all the time to you know and want that um and we're here you know for the residents but we're not you know so we have that opportunity to do this if in
fact um we saw that as a benefit to um you know our constituents without a detriment to the financial element of the cost. And then and then the next question is what what cost would be taken away but what cost would no longer be underneath the beach utility. Right
now that cost is on the beach utility for these lockers or are they are they is that actually self-s subsidized by the fee for the beach locker. Is that actually paying for the movement the storage DPW and what does that financial analysis show? Well, we don't have a a
full detailed financial analysis of the cost. We clearly track the revenue. I just talked to the CFO before coming at this meeting and roughly we think it's a break even proposition that the revenue covers the cost and not much more >> right because then there's question
would would the cost of beach lockers go up or would they come down to the residents if you were to implement something like this >> it to well so we can do this with or without changing resident you know preferences um better do a better cost
accounting of our beach lockers But assuming that the beach lockers are not very profitable and we would need to increase the fees, we we would know that better doing an analysis and again we could charge more on the beach or in the current fund. If on the other hand we're
making a profit uh that and and have we been making a profit that profit has probably been benefiting the beach utility. Now if we were to move it into the current fund it would therefore benefit the current fund. I asked the CFO if if that would be a problem. Um we
need to cost account so that we don't charge any more than we than you know than we uh we don't collect any more than we cost half the cost. Anyway, the answer was it's okay for us to make a profit if if in fact the revenue that's coming in is more than the cost. It's
okay to charge what we think is a market price for those lockers. uh it could therefore result in a profit or or margin for the car fund. Then you mentioned that there's also the option of allowing residential preference
potentially still allowing if there was additional lockers available. You you could still offer those to non-residents. That would be another option. >> Yeah. It it it creates a whole new level of
administrative challenges. And then what happens when those people get a locker? Do they get booted out next year when there are more residents who want the locker? And how do you stage that? All residents apply by this date and after that date then non-residents can apply. I'm not saying I think it's a great
point. It's creating an added level >> and it's also a two fee process. So the initial fee is the fee for the structure and then you have the annual rental. So if someone gets I mean it's something we would have to really look at every constituent who use utilizes the lockers
but um you know if someone gets a locker one year and then not the next year but they've paid into the structure which is a substantial amount of money right and not just the rental so $600 now buy $200 annual renewal
>> right so if now you know more lockers went to residents and then there were fewer available for those renters That would be something. But at the same time, this process would help us to clean house and figure out all of the uh
rental locker rentals that are um not um you know, under our system that are, you know, working the system to >> to either lease their lockers to someone who's moved out because it's very possible it's a lot of those. So to that point again for our benefit and for the
public's benefit what Councilwoman Greenblat's referencing is um the fact that there there are our ability to monitor um the legitimacy I I'll call it of of
current lease leasers lessers um is is challenging because you Shauna you if you rented a locker as a resident and then you move to Florida, you could keep paying for that locker and you can sublet it and that is illegal under our
ordinances. But, you know, there are ways to try to cover that up and we have ways to try to uncover it. That said, if we were to move to resident only, then it'd be as simple as show your I your driver's license and you got to be a primary residence here, Bradley. So,
that's what you're saying. It would clean up some of the gray area where we would not necessarily right now we don't necessarily know if people are >> right or someone selling their home and and an under the under the table deal that you know I'll continue to pay for this or whatever.
>> Yeah. There there's a bucket and we don't know if it's 10% of the renters or 20%. But there's a bucket of locker leases that we're fairly confident or you know there are people who live in Florida and have a locker here. There are other people who live in Neptune
City and have a locker here. The guys in Florida probably are not using their locker. They're probably, you know, subleting. On the other hand, the folks in Neptune City are probably using our beach. So, we don't have a
sweeping onesizefits-all answer to this. But coming back to the original question, um we have a lot of residents who have been on waiting list for many years and who have been very vocal about the fact that hey why don't you give our residents a
break and I personally have sat here and said we can't. Public trust doctrine doesn't allow it and now we're learning that in fact we probably can. Question is do we want to try and if so to what degree? Um Mr. Ken, a question for you
that I wanted to ask. If we if we are not required to provide equal access to all for lockers, um does that then give us the flexibility to define who we could favor? For example, we can favor
residents and uh employees of Bradley Beach Municipality. >> Let's look further into that. Do you look further into that? >> I look further. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I have one more question. Can you remind me when people write a check for their beach locker, what fund does that check
go into? >> Uh beach utility right now. >> Oh, it is beach. Okay. >> So, so we have to if you were to go through the and change this, right? So, those people actually bought an asset. They bought a locker. They spent $600, right? Could have been four years ago. It could have been 30 years ago. we
reim, you know, their goals of thought. Do you reimburse them from the beach utility, their initial investment for that asset? >> We'd have to figure that out. >> It gets there's a lot of nuance and how to go about if you were to change it. How do you actually It's technically you're right that we would want to
discuss that and what would our policy be? Technically, they're lease holders. They It's part of their lease contract that they pay more upfront. they didn't actually buy the locker and we charge them for that lease and a renewal every year. So, if we truncate the lease, the
starting point in that discussion would be we don't owe them a refund. Now, if they just bought the locker last year, we might have a policy that says, "Hey, in fairness, you know, we provide a prorated reimbursement over useful life of the locker or something." But to your
point, it's a question we'd have to deal with. But I just want to be clear, these are all deemed to be leases. someone technically bought a locker. Could we also potentially analyze the number of residents on the waiting list um and uh
potentially determine a certain percentage of lockers uh at each beach uh let's say 80% whatever just throwing out a number uh for residents and then 20% for whatever other we determine can I mean can we come up with some
percentage so that way we're we're I mean but you know with mindful to accommodate residents. I don't know how many people are on the the waiting lists. I >> I'm laughing only at the I love your creativity. I'm laughing at the complexity, potential complexity,
because half the time we don't even know if they're residents or not. >> And and if even if we could determine it and we picked a number 80% of residents and 20% of non-residents, the other residents that don't make the 80% cut would still be upset. >> Well, that's why I'm saying we would
need to analyze what the need is from our residents. How many are sitting on those waiting lists? >> Well, if you if you pick a number other than 100%. 80% 70% 99%. You're if you're not picking 100%, there's a risk you're cutting off some
residents. Like 100% of residents go first, that's easy to administer. But as soon as you say 99%, there's one resident out there maybe that we say, "Oh, okay. You did make the cut. Now, not." So, we're tr
we're truly somewhat to some degree disenfranchising many of our current residents in this waiting list that seems to be stagnant and not move. >> Oh, I I Well, yes. I think that's what these residents were said. couple
residents have said that already that especially those who feel they haven't um they haven't moved or they moved one or two spots over a couple years especially when we do again this is just facts for everybody's benefit but close to 50% of our lockers are I've been told
and we don't have the exact counts because again we don't always know you know a resident rents the locker and they pay for it but someone else is using it or um a resident rents the locker but somebody else comes in with a credit card. Totally different person and says, you know, here's my payment
for the locker. So there, it's not a pure science, but roughly I'm told half of our lockers are rented currently by non-residents. Now, that said, before everybody looks at the word non-residents as being a bad word, a lot of these people, non-residents, may have
lived here in Bradley Beach for 10 or 20 or 30 years, and maybe they moved out last year because they couldn't afford to continue to live here or whatever reason, but they've been Bradley Beach residents for 30 years, making this up.
Now, they move out and now we say, "Oh, you're no longer a resident. We're taking away your locker." any of you in this room, your residents, maybe you have lockers already, maybe you'll get lockers tomorrow. Um, three years from now, you move to
another town, we take away your locker. It it's it's a question we ask, we need to ask it ourselves. Is that fair? Is that what we want to consider doing? >> So, um, is it okay if we open up to the public? Yeah, it's not uncommon for this
to happen where you rent just to um residents. I see other towns do it and they consider it amenity. It's not a necessity. So that's why I don't think you would get I think legally you can do it. >> Yeah, I think legally we can do it. That's what Mr. Canon says. >> Yeah.
>> Um let do I need to make a motion open to the public or can we just ask? Okay. Uh yes, sir. Hi, champion 411 and a half lane. I supposing we set it up so that residents
when they um rent a beach locker can designate which avenue they want it on, but non-residents are not allowed to designate an avenue that they want it on. That would really discourage a lot of people. In other
words, non-residents, it would be random where locker wound up. And if they knew that to start with, a lot of them wouldn't bother because obviously uh you know that they they may always want to come to one particular beach in their lock or something.
>> I it may not work but in some ways it would be to discourage that that would also all change the whole dynamic because right now there's people who would like to be say on second avenue but they're over on fifth and and are residents. So if you did
change this, it would reshuffle the deck if you would say would you say that residents would then be able to perhaps better prioritize and get to this get to the street that they want to be on. >> I think that's important. >> Um another thought is that I'm not sure
you you're not sure about the percentages. >> My bill for instance is sent to Hoboken which is goes back for when I was only a summer resident half the bill sent to Hoboken. How how are we checking? Is anyone going in and looking to see
whether the names are in fact taxpayers or not? >> Well, again, it's not it's a it's not a perfect science, but uh we do have employees here who do track uh you know, the property owner and where the bills are being sent and and or what credit
cards are paying for the bills. So, it could be sent to your place. your next door neighbor could could be signed up here in Bradley, but um somebody else has shown up with a credit card paying for it. Thanks the question. Why Paul's
neighbor got a locker, but Al Guboszi living across town is paying the bill. Things like that happen. So, it's we don't have precise answers to these things, >> but adding that question to the application
uh where they have to sign a statement saying that their residence is either in Bradley Beach or not Bradley Beach. Could that help you? >> Uh right now it doesn't make a difference because they're allowed to be a non-resident. But if we were to change
the rule, yes, we would have a statement like that. >> Even if we didn't change the rule, we don't know. Right now, we do not vet when we re block or renew. We don't vet at all. >> Well, only for subleting, but but you can be a non-resident now and it's no
problem sending you a bill to hope. >> Doesn't stop you from asking in the application and that way we would be able to get a better idea of the accuracy of your estimate. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> What about people that live here part-time? if they have two houses and
they live in Florida and here I mean yeah as long as they own property okay >> or are >> I think I Jane was um discussing what I was thinking I think it's important to distinguish tax roles because taxpayers >> it have to be both.
>> Yeah. Well, no. Why would you have to be both? You're a taxpayer. You come down every weekend. It's your property. You should have access. >> That's one of the two that has to be both. But it's different than an out of town. >> Are you saying a renter would not? >> No, I think a renter should if they live
in in the town. But a lot of people don't rent their houses. They just use >> That's okay. >> It would have to be a property owner or a renter. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you for the question. >> Yes, Nancy. >> And by the way, Linda, it could be both,
right? It could be both the property owner and the renter at the same property. Sure. >> Yeah. I'm glad you're doing this. Let me start with that. Um especially that you're considering doing some sort of
P&L on the um finances of the beach lockers. Um once you get a handle on that, perhaps you can apply to other areas within the burrow, which I've been asking for for how many years? >> Baby steps. I said once you get there.
Um, and I want to underscore what uh, Linda said because frequently when we have these types of discussions, not just limited to the lockers, there's appears to be a lack of distinguishing
between a property owner, a resident, which in my mind is similar other than different type of ownership to a renter. And it just kind of everything's always
referred to as the property owner. Property owner may not be a consider this their primary resident. Um especially in the United States the older population find southern tax laws
to their benefit. They should not be they should they still need to be considered as a valid locker owner if they have a property here. I understand if they're renting out that property, you would want to say only one locker for that dwelling. I get that. But I
really think you need to whatever your findings do. This whole scenario of property owner versus resident versus I guess what you're saying primary owner, which is where you're voting. >> You know, that whole thing all needs to
be clarified. >> And I don't know how you're going to figure this all out, but when you do, add to it. >> Okay, >> you should be able to move if you have a locker
and you want to move from well the way I would do it from Second Avenue up to the last beach on the north end. You should be able to do that. Okay, in my opinion, there should be a cut off. There's ways to work this out.
I have it all in my head, in my Excel sheet, in my brain, but I should not have to be held hostage because my locker can't be moved. >> Well, the problem is, cuz this happens to people right now. >> It does. That's why. >> But if there's no room at the beach you want to move to, you have to wait to get
an open spot. >> All waiting room. I can go down every beach and tell you that a bad locker is better than no locker. And if you want to take it with you, you should be able to. >> Well, we move lockers in groups of three. So, >> triplets. Yeah, >> is fine. But I can also tell you that
not all trivets are filled that are out there only subseason. >> But good good luck with working this out. >> But you're generally in favor of doing something that would advantage the rest of us. >> What I actually don't have an opinion as
long as I have a locker. What I have an opinion on is what is the criteria for having a locker if you are a disabled person. What is the criteria? and date for that and how do you all meaning 701 Main
Street figure out which are those lockers I will tell you that on some of their south of the beach of the steps and then there's the lockers that are north of the steps that are actually closer to the ramps >> true >> so those are the issue quite honestly
I'm personally I'm more concerned about but that's not on the table right Yeah, exactly. We'll discuss that later. >> I'm I'm going there, but good luck. You got a couple months. >> Thank you. >> Yes, >> Magguire, 610 Brenley. Um, just a couple
of things. I love the idea of residents first. >> I love that this topic is coming up and we're actually looking into it finally because for years it's been no, it's public. It's public. It's public. it has to be open to everybody. Um,
I think it's so important we consider obviously there's so many things to consider if this changes, but if it does go to residents only and there's pe residents on the waiting list, obviously I'm assuming they would
get first dibs. But now once residents know that this opportunity has fully opened up to residents and we have maybe a whole block, a whole street lining up to get these and then they might be on a wait list for another
20 years. I think we end up in the same problem for residents anyway. So, I just think that's something to think about because I have a feeling that could just get pretty chaotic. Um, did we look into how
Avon does it or Asbury? How how they've done it? Like do we know how what their little details are? >> Well, when you say what we know is they favor the residents, >> right? But like how they what are their waiting lists like? Um, you know, do
they pull it every year? Do they? You know, >> I guess as a resident who has a beach locker, I have a fear that if we move into this, I'm getting thrown into a pool every season, every year now. And I don't want to lose my locker the way I've had it. So, I want to make sure
that that stays strong because I paid for my locker all those years for it to be built and so on and so forth. So, that could come up if now residents are all wanting to get a chance at lockers. So, I just wanted to make that point,
too. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I think it's really important that we evaluate the the both the the number of out of town locker rentals uh and also the waiting lists so we can see if we actually can
>> we will make those. >> Yeah, we will. The the issue is before we do detailed evaluation and study other burrows what they do and and you know I presume again the council would decide this but I as one member of the
council would presume we would still honor seniority we we wouldn't take away a locker that someone had and give it to someone else on but you're absolutely right we could have new waiting list of residents only but before we do any research I think fundamentally we have to decide that does it make sense
or this burrow as as the governing body that we would um now that we're allowed to would we want to discriminate in favor of our residents however we define residents property owners renters uh
primary uh residents being Bradley Beach. So but first and foremost do we want to differentiate? If we don't, then all we have to worry about is you defining handicap blockers. Uh yes, you uh in the back I
>> we certainly do that, >> right? We want to know what the will of interest is. >> I mean 124th Avenue. I want to thank you. Thank you for thinking of the residents and really being conscientious
about taking care of the taxpayers and the residents. So, thank you, >> Mr. Sure. Thomas J. Kan, 6123rd Avenue. Um, I want to thank you for the workshop. I mean, this is airing everything out
front. This is the concept and I want to thank you for having you. Um, I am concerned about some of the issues that we brought up, especially the financial. Believe Councilman Noiki brought that up. Um, if if the locker is $600
and someone paid $400 10 years ago for their locker and they are now no longer eligible if you go to a new system, uh, I do believe that the 600 collected from the resident should reimburse the 400 for the person who uh, had the locker
before. I think uh, in all financial fairness, that would be the best way to handle it. Um, I mean, we're not in this to make money. We're in this to service the residents, make sure our residents do have priority. And I appreciate you >> on that point. I I like that. I like
your idea. I think it's creative. My question would be, what if what's the useful life of a locker? Like if that person bought it 10 years ago and we've replaced the locker twice since, >> should we still reimburse the original? >> Well, this happens with the benches all
the time. So, it's it's I think it's a little different in this situation because you're going to be collecting the new funds from the new person. Um, my real problem with this, as many things, uh, is that fundamentally the foundational process was wrong. The town
should have just paid for the lockers and built them. But someone came up with this idea. We're going to charge people and now we are where we are now. But um I would be offended if I didn't receive my money back and so just assuming another person.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Any other comments from John? >> Yeah. Um because Paul Gavin is here. I just want to take everybody back. This is ancient history. Probably folks don't may not even know this, but we did a strategic plan for the town. And when we did that,
we had to characterize the town. And what is Bradley Beach all about? And I don't have it in front of me, but there's all sorts of wonderful adjectives like open and inclusive and we're diverse and we're all these different things. And I think now we're talking about doing something that okay, our neighboring town, Avon, it's a
different town. This is a town that got rid of they had plenty of diagonal parking spaces on the really wide streets and they got rid of that and it made them all parallel. So there's about a third of the amount of public parking that there used to be in that town. What does that town say? They're saying stay
away from our town. Don't come here. Exclusivity, residents only, you know, that kind of stuff. And I just feel like that's not our town. So, I think just think this is one of the things that distinguishes our town. Um, that attitude, that open inclusiveness. Uh, I
mean, I waited seven years for a locker. I don't know what the weight list is now. I love that you figured out how many people live here, how many people don't live here. I think the other piece of information you said it as well, but what is the average person waiting now? Like do we know because >> depends
>> you know and we have a problem. We can't like add more lockers. We already determined that there's like a space storage problem. So um >> it even varies by beach. >> Yeah. >> Like the wait periods are different. Uh one beach might have uh you know five uh uh waiting list of five people and another has 55.
>> It's it's crazy. >> Well, also if you recall the wait list was closed. They just reopened this past January. So for several years there was no weight list. So I don't know what >> there was just they weren't adding to it. >> No, that there was an old weight. The
point was you couldn't get on to the weight list. So now was there a surge of people coming on to the weight list? Was there a big uptick or not? Because that's that's a indicator as well. >> See if we can put a bunch of new lockers in the in the extension when we do the
the bulkhead extension. I just filled out with lockers. So, >> is there anyone on Zoom? I don't see any hands raised. No questions. Okay. Thank you all for indulging us. Uh we I we all think I think this was an important conversation to have in the public eye.
Uh we allowed it I personally allowed it to go on a little longer than we might normally prefer just to make sure we heard everyone and give us all a chance to absorb this. We'll come back in a subsequent meeting to discuss this further. Certainly, if we're going to consider any changes, we'd have to do it
virtually immediately in the next month or two. Uh seasonal badges go on sale in December. Uh you know, beach lockers are assigned in April, whatever time frame. So, uh so we'll have to move quickly if we choose to move at all. >> Can we do any analysis between now and
the next time we discuss this so we're better educated about >> within reason? We can. It's flawed. The data we have is we can analyze flood data, you know, in that we don't always know who are residents and not. I can we can certainly tell you I can't say for
sure it's 45% or or 40% or 50% are out of town, but it's a big number. >> It's a big number, right? >> And the total lockers 450 um roughly 200 of those are out of town. I mean, you know, we've got data like
that, but to tell you exactly how many would get ruled out, I don't know how many are going to show up with the driver's license with their primary residence being Bradley Beach. You know, there there are people who may go change their residence to, you know, their primary residence. >> Well, I mean, we're still allowing I'm
sorry to extend this, but we're still allowing, you know, someone to have a primary residence elsewhere and a secondary resident or whatever in Bradley Beach. So, they don't necessarily have to have a driver's license to be >> No, that'd be one of the two criteria. The driver's license.
>> Well, no. No. A taxpayer is what we were talking about. Somebody on the tax roles. They don't necessarily >> primary residence. >> Yeah. >> Primary I didn't think >> a renter would be a primary residence in Bradley. Did you say a retor on tax roles
>> and they may not have a primary residence, but they're on the tax role. one or the other would qualify. That's why uh Nancy, you made a comment. Well, I understand how it' be one house. I didn't say at the time, but I'll say it now just to get everybody clear. One house could
have two sets of families or three or four sets of families. If one house is owned by you, you're entitled to get a locker. If you're renting, it's multif family and you're renting three units on your property. Those three renters all
with primary residence would all each one would be entitled to the locker is what I think the direction we would go. So >> that's four resistance >> for one property for res.
>> My my only point is it's not one locker per property >> per whatever we want to call it. I'm calling it property. A property owner would have the ability to get a locker. If that property owner is renting multiple residences within the property,
each of those residents, as long as they're primary residence, primary address is Bradley Beach, they each would be entitled to a locker. >> Right? >> That's the logic. But I think also important for us to take a look at obviously not spend too much time if we're not sure we're going to go in that
direction, but to also take a look at, as Paul mentioned, the surge of people who went on that waiting list there. How many residents do we are sitting on that waiting list and how long have they been on it. That's information. >> We know how long the waiting list is. We don't know. This this keeps coming up.
We don't know how many are residents. People signed up on a waiting list years ago. they two two three years ago that maybe they're waiting. Maybe they were residents then and they're not now. Maybe they u are residents now and they weren't then.
>> We don't know. We can look at the data, but it's only going to tell us what they were when they signed up. >> But we can send letters out to all of the people. >> Sure. >> Right. I mean, there are things that we can do to find out. >> You're right. You're right. The question is going to be in my mind, we need to decide quickly. Do we want to advantage
our residents? If we don't want to all the other analysis is kind of academic but if we want to make a change to adi to pro provide an advantage to our residents and I asked the question could we identify any other group for example we have a handful of employees I know
who I think as as a as a governing body John to your point maybe we want to just be fair and equal to all and if we're not going to be fair and equal to all are there gradations should we at least provide a privilege to the people who serve our residents. So, it's a it's
just a question we need to address. >> If you're not going to be fair and equal to all, you need to check to tell like you need to, >> you know, >> if we're going to favor our residents, are there any other groups we want to favor, >> right? >> Okay. We need to move on trying to get out of here before midnight and we're
going to get into another interesting topic, but again, a very important one, and that is um the topic of special parking. And right now we have a resolution. Anyone who's looking at e-code, it's chapter 9, section 3-9.
>> You can't hear. >> You can't hear me? >> She's >> I can't get it now on the internet. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Well, we'll describe it. We'll describe it. Ter, >> did you go on the Wi-Fi? >> I think I did, but girl, it closes. You
can't open it up again. Well, >> I'll describe it for everybody. I The point is we have a a resolution. I'm sorry. We have an ordinance now um chapter 9 uh looking for it. It's
it's three it's it's 9-3.9. And basically it provides special permit parking. And and many of you have seen this. These are the curves in in private neighborhoods that are painted yellow
because there is a handicapped individual living in at that residence and they provide the burrow with certain documentation relative to their disability uh a placard and a doctor's note. Uh and there are certain criteria in our existing ordinance that uh that
enables people to get their curb in front of their house painted yellow and then they get a a special decal. It's not a universal handicap spot. It is a spot for that residence only. They get a special Bradley Beach decal and if they
meet the other eligibility criteria, they alone can park in that spot. So, it's it it creates challenges for the burrow. I think it creates challenges for some of our residents. I want to I'll tee this up for everybody. Um, but
I I want us once again to have a discussion about the pros and cons of the current ordinance and at least whether or not we should consider some changes. Um, a couple of the concerns I've had raised by residents um tied to the fact that a
number close to there's 40 some odd spots in in the bur 40. We don't know exactly again uh total we have 50 some odd listed 52 but a lot of them are duplicates roughly 45 that's as good a number as any of those 45 roughly half
are not full-time residents they are Bradley Beach is not their primary residence they are a property owner they pay Bradley Beach taxes the concern raised by other residents is we paint the the curb in front of that house and
for three months of the year when that family is here and that handicapped individual is here, um they can park in that spot. But for eight or nine months of the year when they've gone back to their primary residence, no one else can park on that on that block or where that
space is. >> So, so it's raised questions. Uh there are scenarios where our ordinance says uh if you have a driveway uh you you should not be able to have a privatized parking
space on the street. However, there are scenarios where people have made agreements with uh tenants that live in the back apartments that those tenants could park in their driveway which then blocks the access for that handicapped individual. So then they request this a
spot on the street. So there are different variations on the theme that that have created at this point in time close to 45 different parking spaces in the burrow. um that are uh you know that are
especially in the summer raising concerns for a lot of our residents about the fact that um especially when they're not being used um about is our policy too liberal and should we at least look at uh creating greater restrictions or
greater eligibility restrictions as to you know how these spots would um would be used. So, um, you guys have any general comments because I can walk through some of the specific changes that I I I will say this. I I put
forward just as a draft for us to to talk about proposed changes. Some of them are just taking away ambiguities. Our u our attorney Much Buchanan has documented this in a in a draft of ordinance uh edits, but largely we were
thinking that or I was thinking that we might want to consider whether or not we would continue to provide a handicap space as we have today permit parking limited specifically to that family, not all handicap, but they would have to be
back to that earlier discussion. Uh I was thinking a uh Bradley Beach have to be their primary residence. If they are not a primary resident in Bradley, I I don't think it makes sense to park uh to have a curb painted for 12 months when
you're living here for 3 months. So that was issue number one. Um, issue number two is we have a situation in town and on I won't go speak by street but um where just by coincidence we have three
of these uh permits special permits in a row. So and all three happen to be as of my understanding uh not primary residence of Bradley. So, it's blocking off, you know, if if these are 50 foot wide properties, it's blocking off
roughly 150 foot stretch of curve all year long. I I think let's say these were all primary residents in Bradley Beach. I still think living here full-time, I question and I wonder if we should consider some sort of a limitation to have no more than one or
two of these spots dedicated um on any given block. So, if you have three or four houses, You know, perhaps we could consider that third person who comes in if we limit it to two or that second person if we limit it to one. We could
say, look, this block is taken, but one block away, if that's still a convenience, you know, we can we can place it there. Conceptually, it's just to anticipate that if you ever got some unusual string of of consecutive houses, we would limit how much of a curb we
blocked off. And and the other limitation that I was thinking we should propose right now we have 45 of these. My understanding is if we move to primary residents that might cut the number in half but I still think we might want to consider a global cap that
if we're going to reddraft any elements of this ordinance we might want to say in no event do we have more than it's almost like beach lockers. We have 400 beach lockers. Anyone else goes on a waiting list. In this case, we have no more than the number I proposed was 40
spaces across the burrow and and in the event that we need 41, that person goes on a waiting list. Uh anyway, this is again to generate discussion questions you guys may have, give the audience a chance to respond
to, you know, whatever we say. >> I have some questions. Um, one of the things you just I mean, these are largely good changes, so I really appreciate that. Uh the thing on the one per block, yeah, it seems random. I mean, how how are you going to determine if a handicapped person happens to move
in, you know, in like blocks, I don't know, 600 feet long, somebody's on the other side of the street, other end of the block, like they're not competing for the same parking spaces. And I mean, just I don't think this was said, but this is also somebody in this situation, if they happen to live in like the beach
block, especially in the summer, it could be impossible for them to get a spot near their house and they're handicapped and they have no driveway. I mean, this is to do something for the residents, which I completely support. Um, but I don't know how you you limit it to one per block because someone's going to say, "I meet this criteria. I
meet this criteria. Why can't I get this space?" And I think that puts us in a bad situation. The other thing is at the end of the fee, this came up a very long time ago, the fee that it was like that was nowhere near what it cost to send somebody out to make sure that it's a
property with no driveway and no curb cut and paint the curb and put up the sign. I mean, we had this was a discussion a very long time ago and they're like it was nowhere $50 was nowhere near cover it. So, >> well, I mean, we could certainly come up
with a a different number. Um, sure. Police towers have probably gone up a little bit since the $50 was first established. So, um, >> we got to make the sign, too. >> Yeah, make sign post. >> Yeah, it has a cost.
>> All right. So, we'll Okay, so we'll come up with the number. I mean unless we want to like we're just making it cheap on purpose but if we're if our goal is to like cover the cost like so so you know my first thought when I read this and you inform us you're
considering addressing these changes number one is you know I think you know ADA compliance um ADA um compatibility and access for handicapped people is critical and I think number one is that's the priority and and I agree with what John just said uh limiting it to
one per block when all of a sudden it could be, you know, 250 ft apart and then we say, "Well, no, we're not, you know, we can't because you're on that same block." Um, and it's across the street from each other. So, I think that um a full-time resident, I would I would
agree, too. But I I I think that limiting it um just because it's luck of the draw and there happens to be, you know, three handicapped individuals uh living on that block, only one or two of them can get a spot. I just don't know how we do that, especially if they don't
have driveways. And and so I think I think the issue with driveways is yes, if you have a driveway, there is no rationale um to to provide a spot. Um and so I think we I would agree with your concept of, you know, precluding those
properties with uh with driveways that they would not be eligible. Um but I think that we have to make sure that we're serving this um the Hen community and providing um you know you know that facility for them when they don't have
driveways especially and not limit the number just because they happen to be up to the draw three houses in a row even I I think we need to accommodate that. What about the global cap? the global cap I, you know, I I I think that if we are um annually checking to see what
these are, right? So, right now in the draft ordinance, it doesn't address an annual annualization of it. It says every January you apply, but it doesn't say anything about reapplying on an annual basis because somebody may have a
temporary spot for one year and all of a sudden they no longer qualify after a year. Well, it says that all permits expire after the year. Well, we're he's saying um as far as the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, they have to now you have to have that the black earth display, right?
>> So, sometimes you have like knee surgery and you have it and then you heal and you don't have that permission from New Jersey anymore. So, your your license plate has to have that, >> right? You have to have that. >> But D1 does say renew. >> Yeah, you have to renew every year. And
you have to do every year. Yes. >> I I missed that. So So that that spot I'm going to have to read there. >> Yes. >> And and that wasn't on previous. They didn't have to put this, you know, the the handicap um disability placard on
the car. Now they have to do that. >> I also think we're an aging community and I think especially on the north end where you have less driveways, I think it becomes more of an issue and to limit that I think, you know, would would just be disadvantageous and not, you know, equitable. So I I I I think that if
there is a a person who is handicapped, we need to provide that accommodation. >> Definitely. So does it put us then in a difficult situation if we put a global cap on? >> Yeah, that's why that's why I think maybe don't >> I don't think we're going to have to. I don't think there's that many people that require this.
>> If we make other changes, the global cap's less critical. >> Yeah. Because like I find that a lot of people, like you said, half of these people don't live here all year. And I wish my father was still alive because he would it would drive him crazy to see all these parking spots open with no one
in them for most of the year. These people are here three or four months and for eight months of the year he looked at these empty spots >> as he rode his bike. >> Yes. He was very spry but yeah he was 80 something years old and he's like these people you know other people could be
using these spots. So, I think that's great that you're doing it for people that have to live here year round and that they have to display the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission issued disability placard >> that has a time stamp on it, right? Like a date, >> I think. And then or they have a license
plate. So, this is strictly for people that really need it >> and and a doctors know within 90 days of the uh the application. >> It's not for people that just had any surgery and they expect really it's not for them. No. >> Um, I think what one thing that might really help inform this discussion, I hate to say, but it'll be useful for a
lot of reasons, is if we had an idea of how many properties in town don't have driveways because that would help us inform, you know, then a certain only a certain percentage of people are generally disabled. Maybe we skew a little older, so we could be generous with that. But knowing that number, I
think, would help us zero in who we're going to do a global. >> If we're going to do global, >> yeah, >> what I'm hearing is maybe that's a That's a provision we would consider at a later date, but maybe not right now. >> Yeah. But I still think like just inform us in so many different areas if we
actually knew how many properties don't have driveways, >> right? >> Still Yeah. match that up with how many potential dis disabled people. >> Yeah. I just think you you stroke, you know, strike number four. I write that one. That's one that has >> uh Mr. Cannon. Um it looks like one of
these is duplicated the draft you provided. Uh item number two, uh the applicant's property must have no driveway curb cut blah blah blah. And item number five, it basically says the same thing. And I think number one of those should have
been um a restrict a restriction on uh county or state roads. Did you I didn't see that in here. >> No, that's my that's my mistake. I know you asked me to put that in there. It had to be on municipal roads. >> No problem. You said the two and five is
a little different in that one's a restriction. I mean, you can combine them. >> Well, five was the one that said 90 days um within the application. So, >> no, but the
>> you have the number. >> I do. >> So, a lot which we understand is that the original ordinance really That's what I'm saying. It doesn't say about the nine of days anymore. >> Yeah. >> So, first things first, Greg, what was what was your thinking about combining
two and five? >> Oh, sorry. Uh, >> two and five look to be almost identical, but you were saying they're subtly different. And I was >> well one requires that they must pro they must prove it like presumably a
survey >> it puts the onus on owner the second number five puts the onus on the property owner to demonstrate and prove that they don't have a that they don't have a driveway >> as opposed to have it right okay so it takes the
off of us having to go out there and and validate >> so if we sorry John no do you want I mean we can combine two and five I'll >> come back to Yeah. >> So, so Greg, maybe we leave five, but maybe two. We can use that placeholder
to be the uh it's got to be municipal drive, municipal road. >> Yeah. Uh yeah, I was going to do the option. I was going to pull that up. I was going to pull that up to two and then I can make five. um demonstrate
that the proposed >> we we are going to open this up for the public in another minute. I just want to get our >> Thanksgiving. >> Yes. So I know council had a question about the 90 days thing that was moved up to
three. >> Yes. these are still in there. Like one thing I want to point out to you is that the ordinance was just one section of a relatively random list of requirements and that was reorganized into an
eligibility section to explain like who's eligible for it and then an administrative requirements >> section that basically tells you what you have to do. Um so a lot of the ones that were in the the top and they're they're further below there's more
>> but fees being lowered for for this um >> so explain it. >> So so so also um item administrative requirement is one it says that each year special applications will be made
available but it doesn't say that every as a year you have to reapply. >> Now does it say um earlier on the application um during the month of >> but administratively it doesn't say that >> in January of each year special
>> it doesn't say that that you have to reapply >> you have to be renewed >> well it says they expire at December December but I guess it's kind of the same >> yeah you don't have to renew it but if your old phone expires at December 31st
>> because it expires at your Greg what's your thought about The Can you make that substitution for the municipal roads? >> Yeah, I just moved five up into two. So, two reads, "The applicant's property must have no driveway, curbcut, garage, or other form of off- streetet parking
access. The applicant must demonstrate that the property has no driveway, curbcut, or other form of off- streetet parking access." And then five says, "The applicant must demonstrate that their special parking space is located on a municipal road." >> Okay. >> Now, what's the reason for that? simply
because we cannot >> we don't even really have the authority to grant this on county or state. So that's really good statement of our authority. >> Okay. So >> but it lets people know like you know >> right >> so folks just I'm going to open up to the public in a second but just to recap
what we're we're ignore what I said earlier about limits to number on a given block or a global cap. It sounds like the council's not interested in going quite that far with our limitations, but it sounds like we do want to consider um requiring this to be
primary residence, requiring that there be a driveway, and we cannot uh allow uh these spaces to be put on uh anything other than municipal roadways. So, county and state roads, we can't allow them. Now again, we can check to see
where they are today, but county would be Brley, Lake Terrace, and Ocean A. Uh state obviously is Main Street and uh you know, we'd have to we can't do that anyway. So, we need to add that requirement. Um we'll change the fee as
John point out. Chief, >> you might want to consider shared driveways as well. >> Chief, we used to have a Oh, we did have a shared driveway, I guess, but I But you're right. We have some >> it's on our inspection sheet that we go out to the property. There is check off
is there a shared is there a driveway is it a shared driveway >> and if it's a shared driveway what what's the criteria you use to determine is is it worth is it eligible >> I mean we discussed it a lot of times if they have it if they have a spot either
one of them use the driveway and that person can never if they get the spot can never park in that driveway we've had that problem we've taken the spot away If we saw them in that property, show them the need that they didn't need it.
>> If it's a shared driveway that leads to two separate garages as >> well, a lot of times it's a shared driveway and it doesn't extend past, you know, the front of the house. >> What's the functionality of the shared driveway? >> So, you mean it's pretty limited,
>> but there's still a spot for a handicap. Uh, >> yes, but you have two residents sharing that same driveway. >> So, coordination. So there's an expectation that no one neither one resident can park there, >> right? >> Yeah. Just all >> we we had language. Do we have language
to that effect? >> Mr. Kenn, do you remember? And >> well, shared driveways. >> Yeah, we we may need to add that. >> It's only on the inspection. >> Okay. So, because we had very specific language that said if there was a curb
cut >> Thank you. >> whatever. We're passing candy >> longer than I expected. >> We have the applicants property must basically have no driveway curbcut garage, but if there is a shared driveway, there could be an exception.
What's the decision by the police? I mean, how do we resolve that? >> Generally, it's I'll talk to both residents and I mean, listen, neither one of them are using it. Uh and that person if they're granted that spot are
told you will not use that driveway or sit in that driveway to get a warning. After that it's going to be so so great. >> I don't think we need to change anything. It says that the property must have no driveway curb cut or other forms of off street parking access. You're
basically required to prove that to you on the sp on the spot. >> No off street parking. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So we'd be covered if it's a shared driveway. It's got a curb cut, but it's only got half a curb cut, right? >> It's not available to them
>> all the time. So that's just >> I'm just questioning the language that we use, which is saying no driveway, no curb cut. You're saying you could have a shared driveway, which would have a curb cut. >> Currently, >> currently, >> you know, currently there's a shared
driveway. I think there is maybe a space or two that there's a shared drive back and there's one of the residents has handicap. >> Great. Can I ask a question? >> Yeah, please. >> Let's just I'll give you another hypothetical. Someone's got a pod in their driveway for a year because they're redoing something to their backyard. Now, they have no off-
streetet parking access and they want to apply for this thing for for a year or for the rest of the year. I mean I mean isn't that why we send the inspecting team out? you know, I mean, I I just my point is I'm not sure you can write everything in this ordinance going to
>> going to going to encompass every single hypothetical situation. Um, so maybe you just cut it down to no form of off- streetet parking access and forget about whether they have a driveway, curb cut, or garage because you have people literally going out to look to see if they can park off the street because
really the the object is off street. Right. >> Right. >> So maybe you just forget about driveway, curb, cut, garage, or other for you. say the the the applicant's property must have no off- streetet parking access. That could be for a new myriad of different reasons. Either it doesn't
exist whatsoever or there's a temporary circumstance that requires them to, you know, have a special parking permit for the year. Like you're only giving them for a year. It's not in perpetuity. So I >> So you're suggesting we craft that language. you have no
>> my point is if you're backing it with an actual physical inspection, right? Then usually we craft these things so that the wording is appropriate when we have to give someone a ticket or something like that happens. But this is kind of the opposite. We're granting them a privilege and you're having someone inspect the property. So I'm not sure
the language has to encompass every single scenario. It just doesn't have to have no it has if that property has no off streetet parking access as determined by the police whether that's because there's a public project going on or something and you maybe you know I can think of a million different scenarios someone can't get in their
driveway and might want a temporary permit if there >> what's the language you would recommend is >> I would just say just cut it down the applicant's property must have no off- streetet parking access >> okay >> and then that doesn't focus on what anyone's particular property is it it
focuses on what the police go out see that. Oh, you know, I mean, I don't know, you have a family member who's away in the military and their stuff's in a pod in the driveway. You have to keep it there. They have a permit for that and now they can't park. I mean, I can think of a million different scenarios that we wouldn't be able to crack language, but if you have someone
going to look at it and it's no off street parking access, >> hold on. the chief has regret that >> I kind of like the way it is currently that the driveway is an eliminator, right? But if there's
some extraordinary circumstance, you could appeal that, provide that circumstance and it'll be reviewed. >> So, you know, that's kind of what would happen now with a shared driveway. >> So, so maybe according to your ordinances, no, you won't get it. So maybe just say that a shared, you know,
a shared an exception may apply to a shared driveway. >> Yeah. >> Or well any exception Greg was saying maybe it's a pod that's >> an exception change it to off street. >> I kind of the language that Greg suggest is suggesting seems to work for me.
There's there's no off streetet parking opportunity. But I just Greg the examples you're giving like I'm not envisioning this for some kind of temporary situation like this is we got a resident they're disabled they're not getting any better they're going to live here for the rest of their lives they get this spot so that in the summer
madness they can actually have a spot in front of their house it's not for people that have some kind of temporary situation there's a construction dumpster what like it's not for that said so I don't like the examples you're giving Greg but I do like the language that I think covers it and Austria
covers the share drive. >> John, you're you're raising a good point. I believe there are scenarios where someone has major surgery, they get a placard that says they're disabled, >> and they they have had their curve painted. It's not >> never done temporaries.
>> Like I said, it's not >> So, the temporary ones through the state for six months, you can extend it for another six months and that's it. We've never uh issued a permanent spot in town. painted the curb for someone that just had a surgery and they have a six
month temporary. >> Okay. So, um let's open it up to the public on chapter 41. Um I have a case where I have a shared driveway um and I have actually shared
part of my deed um with my neighbor. we we basically stipulate that we um we can't park in our driveway um or if we do it's temporary we have to move to allow access so that causes some
problems the law we have off streetet parking but it's it's it's under conditions also we have off streetet parking but in such a way that if there was somebody who was truly handicapped for instance wheelchair they would not
be able to access the car on that in that off streetet parking one because the space between our houses is too narrow. The driveway is too narrow. There's no way to open a door when you're in that space. If you're parked in front of the house in the driveway
space before you reach the house, you're on such an angle that it would be almost impossible to get a wheelchair into the into the resident out into the car. So there there a lot of properties like that similar to mine which is going to cause a problem. So there really has to
be some sort of a way to appeal um the the stipulations in their law >> maybe or maybe we could provide for uh police discretion to >> that's kind of what's going on now is that it says in there the driveway
doesn't make you eligible but you know when we do the inspection like I said it'll say is there a driveway yes is it shared yes street parking available yes or no you you know. Um, so I I kind of like the way it is now with the
discretion where the driveway will be an eliminator, but there will be those occasions where there's a shared driveway like he's speaking about. And in a case like that, that's generally what you find that they they both don't use the driveway unless they're unloading something quickly. That's an
extraordinary circumstance. >> It may not even be a shared driveway. It may be a a driveway solely on your property, but so narrow that you to Mr. You run into that a lot where he's speaking about where it's not even a handicap person. It wouldn't make it
any easier for them. It's too narrow. It's small. >> I I also have a garage, but that's a building built in 1902. It hasn't been used as a garage and probably 80 years. And basically, I mean, there's no way that I could use it as a garage. It's
>> a very good point. We we'll have to factor that. >> Thank you. >> All right, Julie. within someone right at least said it once so far. Hello children at 605 North Avenue. I'm so glad and appreciate that um we are
really revisiting um this uh the parking the special parking and uh Captain Arnold, I'm so glad that you're involved with this too because I mean if we're all being honest, we know how much um this special parking has been abused in the town. Um the question I have for you
is like there are some spots that I'm well aware. Um what are the dimensions for a special spot because they're all different kind of uh lengths. >> We've stipulated 20 to between 20 and 23 feet long.
>> Okay. Good. Because I I know there are some that are really small, some that are really long and everything. And um also um you know we want to make sure that people who really need these really have these spots because we all could be in this situation at one time. Um but a
question I have and I I'll never forget I I saw this on Facebook once and somebody new was purchasing a a house with no off- streetet parking and it was on Facebook and I I I wish I had the post and they said, "Oh, don't worry about it. You could just go to the town
and you can get a parking spot." So that's privatizing if you know there has to also be personal responsibility when you're making a real estate decision. Um because this has to be there for you know especially residents you know things will happen and we all might need
these but if you're making a real estate decision based on the fact that you know that this is not available and then thinking well I'm just going to go to town and get that that's also not fair to residents because then that is privatizing the road and and and also
manipulating the system. So I do think we we definitely have to be careful with that. And I would also um recommend I know you said um the fact is that temporarily if someone has surgery or something like that you know people have knee surgeries or hip replacements or everything normally you know three to
four months you're you know up and about and running those are the things they shouldn't be having a spot for a year and and and those are things that we should really address because in Revy Beach we can't make something that is just not there and that's space and we
have to be fair to one another and also people have to realize also I like what Mr. Nishkin said if you have a shared driver that just might not work. There's narrowness and everything. So there will definitely be special circumstances that definitely have to be reviewed. And I
feel confident that we have Captain Arnold here today prior to that. >> I saw firsthand of the abuse and the scamming going on with these um special spots. And I really do hope, you know, I know people are going to get upset about
this, but they're supposed to be here for a reason and for people who really need them. So I I really think that this is something that we have to stay on the pulse on at everyone. Thank you. >> Thank you, Linda.
>> I hope I never need one, but thank you for addressing all this. Um, >> I was wondering about van accessibility. Oh, Linda Duffy, Linda Mustang Duffy, excuse me, 312 Grimley Avenue. Um, the vans, the so handicap vans do require 11
ft width to get in and out for a handicapped person. But on the other hand, and I'm sure chief would say, um, all right, you can't you have to have a space because there's a curb here, you know, these suit block curbs or whatever, and you can't get a wheelchair
in between the car and the curb to get somebody in and out of a wheelchair. So that you you evaluate that also. >> Uh, we would we haven't had that situation. >> I was driving around town because I got to read this earlier and a lot of people have driveways that you can't even fit
half a car into. So that taking that out by Greg is a good thing. But the um the van accessibility is an issue. I hope nobody needs mountain has one. I haven't really seen one. I've seen a few at the beach. But that that's a problem because
also in the ADA regulations it says you cannot have a space that has a parking space behind you. You need to not be needs to be free and clear so the person can walk around either get in the car to drive the handicapped person or for that
person to be able to pick up a wheelchair and put it in the back of the car to have two cars buted up against you can't I went through this with my parents. So you need to have the space behind the car. >> What's really good point you're raising and I had not thought of this and Mr.
you can and maybe you can give us guidance is everything you're saying is in the context of ADA compliance. These are technically not ADA parking. So >> just a recommendation. >> No, no, I'm so I'm thinking out loud like how do we for example I can't
imagine we could create 11 foot width. >> I know I know that's what I'm thinking. The driveways there are a lot of driveways in town that are narrow between two houses that are shared. >> Yes. So, >> and they don't have a big backyard either. So,
>> so I guess what I'm going to question is to keep it simple trying to follow Mr. Kennon's guidance. If we keep our wording, whether there's no off street or it's or it's the chief says you got to have a drive, you know, you cannot have a driveway, but can we just create
language under what you've Greg, you've now made this u? >> Yeah, the new section two um A2. Um can we can we put some wording in that the applicant must demonstrate they have this no driveway or curb cut blah
blah blah. And then we say unless something like unless uh >> approved by uh by the police department. >> I think for sure >> because Chief, you kind of do that. >> I do. I'll I'll send the the denial
letter, >> but you have to make that subjective decision. >> Yes. >> Well, because people have BMS on either side of the driveway. You can't get a wheelchair in there, right? >> You'll either fall out of the wheelchair if you're wheeling that B. They'll fall out. And you know it's dangerous and you
can't always pull a car into the street to put somebody in a wheelchair. Now that I know I can't get a spot in front of my house. >> So >> So that's my recommendation. It's those vans if they require a huge amount of space. >> And that's for a person that can handle
it themselves. >> Yeah. No, we we're trying to accommodate this. This is a courtesy. No one. There's no legal requirement to offer these spaces to anyone. But to the extent we're trying to >> at the beach that would be a little discrimination, don't you think?
>> We're taking What do you mean >> you have handicap spaces at the beach? >> Not parking. That's Oh, yeah. Those are >> spaces. >> Yeah, but that's that's required. >> I don't But it should be required for everybody and that would be fixed. I know you're >> not in residential neighborhoods for individual people.
>> Yeah, that's done. >> Yeah, it's it's so many things. It's okay. But thank you for listening to me. >> Okay. Thanks. Well, hold on. Uh, yes, sir. >> So many things. >> Thanks. >> John Sisac, 412 G Avenue, resident, 38
years. You've only seen me here three times. This is the third time. >> I'm here because of this. I've added up to here pointed out some of the inconsistencies to be nice on on McCabe Avenue.
Couple of those three and I believe it's four actually not three not together. There's a little space and then there's another off of that with a stop sign yellow with a fire hydrant yellow three space four. It's a scam.
>> The one and a quarter um is a rental. I took pictures and I I brought this up before Memorial Day and it was already said I said we'll deal with it at the end of the year. We said it coming up the end of the year. But look, Bradley's a place where everybody comes and we got
to make a space for people to come. Okay? When I bought my house, my house don't have a truck. Doesn't matter what happens to me in my life, my ass don't have the drive. If we had the property and availability or space, I'd say go
for it. Give those people what they need. We don't have it. I pay taxes. I pay the same taxes that a person that's handicapped pays. You're discriminating against me. I come home on Memorial Day weekend. Okay? 10:00 at night, I drive
down the street and and those three houses, four houses are empty. I park in there and Chiefs Arnold's guys will come and give me a ticket as they should. It's not fair. Okay. It's not fair. It's a scam. We've gone through this few
times. I've had a couple people come up because I bring it up. Oh yeah, my my grandmother, you know, that was her space. She died a few years ago, but we still keep because we got a space in front of the house and we know it's going. We don't have to keep going
through all this. Yeah, you're making more work for yourself. I'm sitting here listening to beach boxes. That's kind of crazy. This is even worse. This is self-inflicted. Our guys should be doing police work. Honestly, the chief shouldn't. This guy
do a great job. By the way, you guys do a great job. Again, I love my town. I love everything about it. But this just pushed me to the edge, you know, that the yellow paint. The guy with the yellow paint who paints curbs here. Really, you need a supervisor to walk
around and start looking at all this yellow paint. Is it really needed? I came here with Gary Engle status here because they painted the curbs from the corner 25 ft in. I don't know if anyone recalls that. That's the last time you saw me here. And then they thought about it, said, "Hey, that really wasn't a
good idea." And they backed up. Never heard from me again. issue action. Okay, we need action. It's a nice thing to do. I And you know, I I spoke with the mayor. I said, "Hey, I I come to you
with a solution. Memorial Day to Labor Day. I'm sorry. We can't give that to you. We can't. Bradley Beach can't afford it." Okay. I counted today approximately 90 spaces
from Ocean Avenue to Main Street on the cave on the north side of the cave are available. 90 when we just kicked around a number. I think when we talked we were talking like 70 of those spaces originally and now you say it's down to like 45 or whatever. But even that,
think about that. You can't park from here half, you know, halfway down Mave Avenue to the beach. There's no parking. But yeah, we want everyone to come to our tag. We're worried about people using the beach box. You got a
all these spots there for people and again a lot of these people don't even live here and for you know the chief to sit here and go and and and there's no way he's going to sit there and go like this and go is he really handicapped? I got I had a son-in-law a doctor. If I
need a if I need a handicap spot, help my back. I got one. We all know the doctor. Do doctors. I used to work for the Port Authority. Believe me. I've seen a million doctors to their boats. Okay? And they're just trying to help you out. But we got to
take it serious. And you're banging yourself, you know, you're banging your head against the wall trying to make this little thing that way. Well, what if this guy's got this kind of driveway or this guy? At the end of the day, we can't afford to do it. It's nice. We're doing a nice thing. It's a great
gesture. Nobody wants to be that person. I don't want to be that person. But you know what? This one's an easy one. I'm dealing with Airbnbs that come in with five and six cars next door to me. I'm dealing with neighbors that got driveways that park their cars out in the street all summer
just because they don't want no one cramping their driveway. Okay, that's the reality for people who live on I'll call it the north side. people on the south side with the big houses and the big driveways, they probably don't deal with that stuff. But this is what we do.
You come home at night and you can't find parking. It's that simple. We don't have the space to give up. It's not that you're being a bad person, but I you need to represent the whole town. Every taxpaying person in this town deserves
equal treatment. If there's no ADA requirement, you said we shouldn't be doing it. Save yourself the paper. Save this gentleman the heart of having to send his guys out measuring driveways. Is this guy is he not? Or reading
documents. Is this guy the is this guy stub toe or broken back? Well, you know, he's not a doctor. He's a police officer. Shouldn't have to be doing this. Make it easy on yourself. And again, I feel sorry for anyone who who's sick. I'm not
trying to be heartless, but John, you could, Councilman Weber, you made an excellent point. Rather be forever. It always has. >> Well, don't you think like we're tightening it up. I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't think we're going to get rid of it completely, >> but we're tightening it up. We're
getting rid of all the abuses with these changes. Well, it's the path we're on, >> right? And in fairness, John, and I agree and and the mayor has done a great job. He's been in contact with me and that's why I have not bothered him since we first and the chief we talked early
on. But I sit and listen. And again, if these people want to do this, they're going to do it. Again, I have personal knowledge of people who are are scamming and and it's terrible for those people who really need it. But that's what's
happened. Okay? That's what's happened. and you're not representing me if you're going to sit and give out these spaces to other people. Are they going to pay extra tax money for it? I bought a house with no space. What?
No one's going to come revisit, you know, 6 months for a arm or whatever it is that you got. No one's going to follow up on that. We don't have people in this town who follow the beach boxes. It's not a knock, but it's truth. Oh, >> yeah. >> Let's be honest with everybody in here. That's not going to happen. It's not
going to happen and the chief's not going to go through that. He shouldn't. He shouldn't. >> So, >> don't bring it on yourself. >> We should probably move on, Mr. Sisik, just to give others a chance. >> Thank you very much again. You guys do a great job. >> Thank you. Thank you for your comments. >> Question. Um, how did we have the
chronic annual um continuation if if they expire even >> they renew? >> So, there are people who are renewing them legitimately or >> Yeah. >> So, they come back. >> Yeah. they'll have their end doctor from the state once they get a doctor's note
within the 90 days. Uh the property's reviewed again and then it's renewed. >> So they're the these are still legitimately uh done. >> Yeah, that's not changing. Mr. Denny >> 216 Brinley um you know it's very
interesting listening you know to your points here and you know one of the problems I think is really really bad in this town and I hope that these last two workshops tonight is there's no process
and there may be a process but it's just like you just said well do you renew or is it auto renew or is it go here. Is it a car? Do they live here? We do awful job really understanding of everything they go through. Like the
fact that we couldn't answer how many of these beach lockers were non-residents and that should be a number you know, right? Somebody gets a beach locker who is what's your name? Where's your address? Even if it's out of town, but we should know what that is. So why
don't we keep track of these? >> Mr. We know but we know the data is flawed. So I can give you a number but it's >> my point but why do we keep accepting flawed data? >> Well bad example because we >> but it's my point.
>> No it's just it's just not a in fairness. >> Okay. >> In fairness we get an application and and somebody's put on a beach locker waiting list and they say I live in Ocean Grove and that's okay. Right now they're >> But that is my that's exactly my point.
That's okay. But now next time you sign up for lockers, have them show a license and address things and you've got it. >> There was no need for that previously. Now there may be. >> But well, there obvious. >> No. >> Well, there's a need if we move forward
with discriminating in favor of residents. >> This has nothing to do with discriminating. Talking about the process. >> Go ahead. But if you want to use examples, we got a million examples of process that's flawed. Just don't use the beach lockers because the beachers I'm gonna move over to the whatever the
whatever the designated spot please. >> Okay. I walked through the town the other day cuz I read the thing. I looked I saw four different yellow curbs. All right. I know who lives in four of those houses. And I asked I said why
does that person have that yellow curb? Oh, a long time ago, the caretaker of the mother who passed away had that spot and it's still there. >> I I have asked I have pointedly asked the chief that question and he says
every year our chief uh police does that evaluation and what you just said I'm told does not happen. So chief would you care to respond? their license, their state issued placard that has to
be up to date and not expired. Uh their registration card, which is a handicap card issued by DMV. Um a doctor's note that is all verified every single year for every spot. Okay. >> All right. >> And I do it personally.
>> Okay. Yes, Miss Meadow, >> you're all living with aspirated possible. >> No, but we're trying to fix things that are broken. No one's going to sit here and say things aren't broken. It's just >> I would not argue with that.
>> No, but we need we just need clarity. The chief and I have had that very discussion >> exactly. >> No, that we check this every year. >> Not even going there. Go ahead, >> please. Nancy Meadow Ocean Park condominiums. Um,
I don't want to even get into which side of this issue I'm on, but you're opening a Pandora's box that's going to go further. So, my concern is or what I guess I just would like to point out,
this isn't only a police or code issue or or kindness or not kindness issue. This also involves the land use board because when homes, especially the new ones, are built and they're getting bigger
and not only deeper, but also wider, the driveway is shorter. >> And I can point this out because on my block there were two new buildings that went out, two new homes.
And it was some I don't remember the details but an altercation with the older homes and the neighbors that lived there. So they built their home according to
whatever variance they could get and they put planters lining up the driveway so that the elderly person who lived in that home could no longer use the driveway. Now I don't know how that all
complicates the issues of driveway not driveway issue. You know they get a yellow thing they don't I have no idea but again it opens the next level we want to say up or down with variances.
Um you know we can't deal with you know people and their altercations or this and that spike but I think that that's um I know nothing about my news board. you really don't want to but whoever gives guidance or strategic planning or you know
whatever you want to say I think this this needs to be part of considerations that's it >> thank you Mr. Coan J Co 6123rd Avenue. I just want to comment on the driveway. Uh actually the
land use board uh extended the driveways to 1 foot off the property line where it used to be 3 ft enabling larger driveways in terms of waves. So that ordinance change which was done by the council a couple years ago. So I just want to set the record straight on that.
Um I I just have a little story. When I was 15, I learned how things worked. Uh, at the Spring Lake Country Club, they only had 20 golf carts. Then they had a huge push. When the temperature got to be 85, there were not enough golf carts.
Now, I was a 15-year-old kid standing next to the Caddy Master. I had this guy's bag. The guy says, "I don't want to take a Caddy. I want to take a card, too." County master says, "Well, you need a letter from your doctor in order for me
to give you a card because it's so hot. We don't have enough cluts." Guy went into the men's locker room. Came out with a letter, handed it to the caddy master. Caddy master said, "This is from your endodontist." He goes, "It just
says I have to have it from my doctor." So, people look for ways around. I just happen to learn at a very young age. Um so um I I don't really like the process. I understand some people need it. I want to complement this board uh from a
language perspective. Okay. And reducing the number of these handicap spaces and I feel horrible for people who don't have driveways who have to look at empty spaces over and over. And I appreciate that people in the audience are concerned about the people in the uh uh
vans or their access, but I I just want to know who the guy is with the Corvette that's parks and they take the cap off the space because I'm dying to see that guy. Um but anyway, I want to share something with you from the uh 2003 master plan. The re-examination uh is
referenced in the 2014 master plan uh where it states um it states the uh re-examination several recommendations for the burrow. So I'm going to read number seven. Update
parking standards in the bureau of land development ordinance in accordance with New Jersey state residential improvement standards. Continuing recommendations. Although amendments have been made to the burough's parking standards, it is recommended that the bureau continue to
evaluate the parking ordinance in order to mitigate parking shortages in certain areas. Well, I don't even think it's certain areas. I think it's all areas. But what you're doing tonight is part of a parking plan to mitigate the problems we have by creating the opportunity for
more spaces. Um, I do believe this is a privatization of a public asset. Now, I understand some people need it, but the changes you're making are very important. So, I would like to then reference the uh master plan review from
June of 2018. Recommendations. Um, this is again recommendations. It's a continuing theme. So, this is now 2018. continue to evaluate the parking ordinance in order to mitigate parking shortages in certain
areas. This recommendation remains valid. So, if you can create 20 spaces, that's a benefit and I believe it should be included in the next uh update of the master plan because the council is
attempting to create more parking opportunity for the people who need it. I just have a a couple other comments. I'm not crazy about the recommendations that Mr. Canon made. I do agree with the chief that it it'd be better we leave it in there about the driveway. And what
I'm concerned about is when you say access, there's some apartment buildings and mixed multifamily houses that have a space in front, but they have a driveway with parking in the back. So, did that tenant not get parking? I mean, it's not
our job to create parking on the street for the tenants. Um, if there is parking with the facility, the landlord should take that into account for his handicapped tenants. Um, that that's what I would do. Also, this magic sticker. I I've never seen one. I've
driven around the town on my bike. Where are the stickers? There's supposed to be a sticker with this program, but I I've never seen it. Never seen it on a vehicle. And it's only supposed to be one vehicle. It's not supposed to be two or three vehicles. Hey, that's our space. We're just going to park there. If you're doing it for one person
specifically handicap, it should be only for that person. >> My understanding, chief, is it is one sticker, >> one car, one sticker, one person, >> one sticker, one registration. And can you can you bring the stickers in as a little um show them?
>> I'd love to see one because I can't find them on these cars. But uh that's uh that that's all we have. That's all I have. But I want to thank you all for for taking this on. If you can reduce the number and and make it for year round, it it is horrible based on the
previous commenters that the CD space is just empty. It's an asset an asset to environment. Thank you. >> Thank you. Other comments in the audience seeing none on Zoom. Uh let's these were I knew these were going to be very long workshops. They're very
important workshops. We we welcome all the feedback. Uh we recognize so many flaws that exist. We are in terms of data tracking and we are trying to do better. Uh the my goal entering tonight
was to have this all this dialogue and then hopefully introduce an ordinance. I think there's been enough enough questions raised and enough conversation that I'm going to recommend we we don't try to introduce an amended ordinance tonight, but when we get to that, we can table it and take a crack at making
updates and then uh revisit this at our next meeting if you all agree. So, with that said, we'll close the workshops and now hopefully we'll move very quickly through the rest of the agenda. >> Uh moving to uh item number seven, approval of minutes. I'll make a motion
that we approve the October 6, 2025 council business meeting minutes. >> Mr. Noble? Yes. >> Mr. Green? >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. But can I point out that on this agenda it says October 6th and the meetings were on the seven.
>> Oh jeez. Thank you. >> They're right on the do. They're right on the minutes. >> You're right. >> Yeah. No, I got it. >> Agenda is good. >> I vote. >> Mayor Katosi. >> Yes. I'll make a motion that we approve the October 6, 2025 executive session
minutes. Uh October 7th >> executive session. >> Second. >> Uh Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Mr. Greenlat. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. Yes. >> Mayor Dubosi. >> Yes. We do have an ordinance introduction. It's a very relatively
minor uh recordkeeping type of uh amendment, but it's ordinance 2025-36 uh updating our construction codes. Our uh new uh construction official, Brian Curry, identified a handful, five or six
areas where our fees were not uh consistent with where they needed to be with relative to the uniform uh construction code. So, this amendment represents his his recommended uh edits. I'll make a motion that we approve
introduction of 2025-36. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. Mr. Greenblat, >> yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Kubosi, >> yes. And I'm sorry everyone, I skipped public comments.
>> Oh, the agenda. So, u obviously the public's been talking a lot but limited to our workup. So, um uh let me let me backtrack and ask are there public comments regarding any items on the agenda?
Yes, Miss Meadow. >> I want to make it and I did. >> Somebody speaking on it. >> Nancy Malar condominiums. Um I'd like to discuss the billless which I've been my tongue on about 10
and a half months. There's a lot here. um specific question on page five. There's a small disclosur number. It says it's for the mayor's office. >> Yeah. >> Is that that?
>> Am I right? Okay. So, it's my understanding that that's really not that changes are really that's for the Neptune Court using our facilities office. >> It's the court office. Yes. >> Okay. >> It's Neptune. Here's a there's already a
contradiction. >> Well, wait. Is that like it's considered the mayor's office now? It's Well, you're going to turn it in. >> Okay. It's no longer Okay. Sorry. >> It's my understanding that the money we're spending is not for our mayor, whoever that may be. It's money we are
spending to have revenues because Neptune's going to use us as their place of court. So, there's an oath. You might call it semantics. I call it a bigger problem in looking at what Mr. Kenny, I forget the word he used. I think might
have been operations. I'll call them protocols. I'll call them doing P&Ls and balance sheets correctly. But the bottom line is we don't and we the people don't get to see revenues
and we're rarely presented with any part of the business of P&Ls. So, I think it's important, especially since this is a new category in operation, that whoever did this should
have done it properly. And I will go as far to say that once again, we're in a supervisory problem. >> It's been a You said page five. I'm just looking for this. >> Yeah, it's small amount of money. >> Am I on the right page? No, I don't
know. >> I'm on page five. The reference to the mayor's office is Jerger Lumber five. >> Jagger Lumber. >> But where's like my pages aren't so just count one? >> Did I get J? >> No,
>> there's five on the one I'm looking at. >> Yeah, >> I need look three times. >> Where do you page numbers, Sean? >> Oh, you guys are cheating. You got these. >> We're cheating. >> The paper doesn't have page numbers. >> Well, not all of us have paper. >> Cheating. >> No, only me, apparently. >> No.
>> Uh, I just want to find it. So like we can follow >> if my ink will >> okay 22875. Okay >> just just like saying >> we'll bring this to Mr. DHY's attention and hopefully I can re >> it's a symptom >> understood
>> or a result of a bigger problem. The same way like I was told that for the police department we don't have vehicle supplies. We only have maintenance that went back a couple months ago with their mounts for whatever equipment they needed. The same
way something was build out on that same bill list in August as emails, but apparently it was something regarding getting emails for Oprah accounts. I'm just saying that and I can go on and on and on but I will not that okay we're
recognizing that we fall short in operations but I would also like to recognize we're not making progress. Now maybe internally you think we are but I will just say externally I do not see we're
cleaning any of this up and it's discouraging to me who feels that there are so many employees new and old that are allowed to proceed I won't even use the word work
proceed with the same manavis thank Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Other comments or questions? Anyone on Zoom? Okay, seeing none, we'll get back to the uh agenda. We've already
introduced uh ordinance 2025-36, item 10 on the >> I'm sorry, uh 20. Yeah, there's >> the special parking 2025-37. I'm going to make a motion that we table
uh this vote until a subsequent meeting. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. >> Mr. Greenblat, >> yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Gubet, >> yes. Communications, there are none. Um, >> wait, what happened to 36?
>> You made a motion to >> Yeah, you introduced it. >> I did it and then I went back. >> Well, I know, but then there like discussions. We're not discussing or >> not an introduction. >> Okay. >> That's that's for >> I just wanted to make a mention about it on that 36. Um last time Councilwoman
Greenblat brought up the fact that there was a not one of the parts that we were changing but said something about a permit for a sixoot fence and she asked she >> you well because I did not get a good answer to that. I asked the folks the
redevelopment folk and I couldn't get an answer to that and then by the time I asked Matt Matt was gone. Matt's on vacation. So, >> okay. I just have an answer. >> Oh, okay. Good. >> So, Brian Ferry not only put this in writing, but just to make sure I ran into him in the hallway coming into the meeting. He confirmed my understanding
shot that you and I discussed. Council uh Council, I'll get it straight. Councilwoman Greenblat uh raised a question in our last meeting about a fee for $75 for fences in excess
of six foot. Her question was just is this ambiguous? Should should the wording be clear? Because fences shouldn't be in excess of six feet unless they need a variance. Does this apply? Does it not apply? Do you pay to be on top of it? A lot of really good questions came down to a very simple answer. U I'll say unfortunately because
it was kind of antilimatic, but Brian Curry's answer, he's our construction official. He said in this particular ordinance, it's a list of permitting fees for construction. He puts blinders on and says uh he follows the the
uniform construction code and there's very specific language specifically regarding sixoot fences. He said he doesn't look at it with regards to whether zoning variances apply or whether it's for different types of construction like like is it residential
construction versus u a screen for garbage or whatever. He doesn't care about any of that in his world. He charges $75 if it if a fence is over six feet. It's it's that simple. >> Okay. >> So, it's not like that would only be allowed if somebody got a variance, but but he's not
>> Yeah, that's out of his me. He He doesn't care. So, like I say, it's a little >> My question was more like, "Do we even allow that?" He just said, "No, you don't. They would need a variance and then I would charge him 75 bucks." But he didn't. That's not what he told me. >> No, I I know. >> All right. Thank just a comment. I don't want to make that.
>> All right. One would think we could get through these agendas quickly, but it seldom happens. Um, I'm going to make a motion that we uh move the two consent agenda resolutions to individual just so John to your point last meeting we could identify these folks separately. >> So make a motion that we move it to
individual resolutions. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble, yes. >> Mr. Greenblat, yes. Mr. Noiki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Kubosi, >> yes. Individual resolution number one, 2025-320. Uh we are acknowledging the uh hiring of
a probationary firefighter appointment uh Dne Windbrandt. Um I make a motion that we uh approve that resolution. Second >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Miss Greenblat. Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Guboszi. >> Yes. And welcome Dne Winbrand. And Mr. Weber, you can make that comment again a little later. >> Sure. Um uh individual resolution uh 2025-321. Uh I'll make a motion that we approve
the uh the appointment of cadet junior firefighter Leah Kern. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble. Yes. >> Mr. Yeah. Mr. Noiki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Guboszi. >> Yes. 2025-322
authorizing the 2026 fireworks display. Right. Which should be next year. Okay. a 2026 fireworks display contract with Starfire Corporation. It's in the amount of $18,000. It was $15,000 last year. I'll make a motion that we approve this.
>> Second, >> Mr. Noble. Yes. >> Miss Greenblat. >> So, um I had asked I I just wanted to give a little bit of a a backstory to my approval for this. Um I will say yes and approve it, but I just want to point out
this is $18,000 that's coming out of the beach utility. Uh, so it's good that it's coming out of the beach utility. However, it's a lot of money to spend. Um, and I just hope the community continues to really want to have these fireworks. I know fireworks is a big
July 4th um, tradition. Uh, and everybody loves fireworks or many people love fireworks, but it's a lot of money that gets spent from our coffers. So, I just wanted to point that out. I'm not going to make a make a, you know, a point of it. I just wanted to state that
$18,000 is a lot of money. So anyway, and with that, I'm saying yes, Mr. Nikki. >> Yes, >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. The fireworks were big here. They're really good. >> Mayor Gubos,
>> the answer is yes. And uh just so for the record, we did request three proposals. Others uh the date is not July 4th, is July 2nd. And uh Sean, you'll be happy to know that the July 4th uh pricing was sub substantially
higher. So while 18,000 is a good amount of money, it would have been a lot worse if if we could afford uh July 4th or if it was available, it was also not available. Okay. Um 2025-323, I make a motion that we approve. Well,
first of all, any comments or questions about uh the burrow um Halloween curfew? >> No. No questions, comments. I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-323 uh approving the burrow Halloween curfew for 2026. Uh 2025.
>> Second. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. >> Mr. Ringlat, yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Guboszi, >> yes. >> 2025-324, appointing a fire marshal/fire official. U any comments or questions?
I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-324. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> M. Green. Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubosi. >> Yes. 2025 325. Approving a shared service agreement renewal with the
burrow of AAN by the Sea for Municipal Court Services. Two seconds of explanation. Avon has been with us for three years. This is renewing for another three-year contract. uh we bumped their pricing and they accepted this uh a little over 5% per year. Well
5% in the first year and exactly 5% in the second year and slight tab have under 40,000 goes from 38,000 this year 40,000 next year 42,000 and 44,000. So with that said um I'll make a motion
that we approve 2025-325. >> Mr. Denov, >> yes. >> Miss Greenlat, yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Katosi. >> Yes. Uh item individual resolution 2025-326
is the appointment of uh for Paty White as deputy uh court administrator. Uh one Paty is qualified for this role. She is an existing employee um you know with the burrow. she's passed exams and most importantly uh it's a requirement for us
to have a deputy court administrator a second joining uh Todd uh in order to take on the Neptune City Court. So I'll I'll make any comments or questions. I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-
326. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. >> Miss Greenlott, >> yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Guboszi, >> yes. And finally, the bill is 2025-327. Are there any items or that you'd want to vote out separately or any comments
or questions? >> Okay, I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-327. The bill is for October 21st. >> Second, Mr. Noble? >> Yes. >> Miss Greenblat? >> Yes. >> Mr. Noiki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor Guboszi?
>> Yes. Item 12, announcements. There are none. Uh item 13A, the administrator report. There is no administrator. No. Uh Matt Dhy is vacationing in um well, he's visiting his daughter in Ireland.
Um I don't think he did just provide Amy Hall with some updates for her newsletter. Anyone who's interested in u the status of a couple of our uh uh infrastructure projects, Mr. Dhy provided that in the newsletter since he
wasn't going to be with us tonight. Um 13B mayor and council reports. Let me start with council president Jane Denovo. >> Yay. I'm going to be very quickly because uh the shade tree doesn't have a meeting till next month. Uh the board event is actually Thursday, but I do
want to say this Friday at 9:30 a.m. the Julie Shrek Maritime Forest will be for Purple Martin Birdous Richard. the school, the Bradley Beach Elementary
School will be putting these up with their environmental club and you're more than welcome to watch these birdhouses be erected. So, it's very nice. That's the rest stop for birds when they travel down the Atlantic flyway. So, we're very gracious to have that that park and now
they're going to have birdhouses, too. >> Is there this Friday? >> Friday. They're like stalling. >> Yes. 9:30. >> Yeah. And um the tourism did have a special meeting today at 9:00 and we are
disc they discussed things they're doing for 2026. So they're going to expand the jazz fest. The World Cup is next year and that there'll be a big celebration for that. And it also is the semiquincentennial celebration and
they're making plans for that as well. And that hopefully is my report. Thank you. >> Thank you Councilman Noiki. Uh first I'll report on the first day bi-weekly council report. Um the operational period October 21st the squad responded to 15 day calls, nine
night calls for a total of 24 calls, 17 for medical and seven fifth fire. The squad provided medical overwatch for Mary's Place walk through Bradley Beach, the clean o clean ocean action beach sweep and the walk and roll for the
Bradley Beach Grammar School. The squad conducted one drill for the safety and education of the membership. The squad requested one mutual aid from Neptune for this operational period and the squad fulfilled 90% of their assignments for this operational period. We are still looking for volunteers off
of first a squad and off of feed training. See the website for details and we have a lengthy Bradley Beach Police Department activity report. Um so bear with me as we walk through these. On October 6th, a 50-year-old male from
Freehole, New Jersey was arrested on an outstanding contempt of court warrant by patrolman Shawn Johnson and patrolman Anthony Lamenti. He was processed and later transported to the Mammoth County Correctional Institute. On October 10th, a 33-year-old male from Azare Park was
arrested on an outstanding contempt of court warrant by patrolman Edwin Hernandez. He was processed and turned over to the Howell Township Police Department. On October 13th, a 40-year-old male from Bradley Beach was arrested and charged with receiving stolen property and was
also found to have contempt of court warrant. Patrolman Daniel Crow and patrolman Ian Ambrose stopped Lagville after they observed him riding a Heineken brand bicycle that had been reported stolen from a Grand Beach resident the day prior.
Lieutenant Joseph Jose Josephine Solaro and Patrolman Steven Scott assisted with the the arrest. On October 15th, a 34 year old male from Wall Township was arrested and charged with receiving stolen property by patrolman Daniel. A field contact was conduct was was
conducted on Wall Street and he was found to be in possession of a bicycle and had been reported stolen from Deal, New Jersey. He was processed and later returned towards the M County Correctional Institute. Uh, Sergeant uh Kevin Gail and Detective Gregory Panza assisted with the arrest. October 17th,
a 39year-old female from Woodbury, New Jersey was arrested and charged with theft, possession of crack cocaine, and possession of drug paraphernalia as a result of an investigation by Sergeant Michael Tardo and patrolling Steven Scott. On October 18th, a 41-year-old
man from Georgia was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol by Sergeant William Major. Sergeant Michael Tardo assisted with the arrest between October 6 and October 19. The Bradley Police Department also investigated one motor vehicle accident
and we uh respond to several calls for service. And a reminder on um this Saturday, October 25th, the B police department will be participating in the operation takeback uh which is sponsored by the Drug Enforcement Administration.
They'll be collecting unused prescriptions and non-prescription medications uh between the hours of 10 and 2 at the police department. Just please remove any personal information from the prescription bottles. And then uh on Silven Lake uh there was a meeting
last week. Uh it was reported that uh the ocean outball work is continuing to progress well. Um and that the permits for the um bulkhead replacement on Bradley Boulevard were also sub
submitted last week as well. So progress is being made moving that forward. >> Great. >> Thank you. Uh, Councilman Weber. >> Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um, >> congrats to the probationary firefighter, Dane Winbrandt, and the
junior cadet Leah Kern, even though we said their names earlier. Uh, uh, for the environmental commission, uh, they have decided they're going to use a little bit of their, uh, money, their stipen for the year to help the fire department get water bottle refill
stations in the firehouse. Apparently, uh the firefighters, they spend a lot of time there. They training equipment like workout equipment. They train there as well. Uh so they go through a lot of single-use water bottles and they're open to it and the environmental
commission is going to help them out costwise. So I think that's a great use of their money just getting the water bottle filling stations like the county we have up on the beach. So there might be two in the firehouse in the near future. Um, we had the beach sweeps on
Saturday. Thank you to people that came out and uh picked up garbage to help our beaches get clean. We don't have the I mean the data, the trash, it's tracked and there's like 75 different categories. Couple of highlights, not um
there were 258 bags and wrappers. There were 686 bottle caps, those plastic bottle caps or lids. cigarette butts or cigar tips. 178 food takeout containers. Food takeout stuffs. This is the kind of stuff we're getting rid of with Skip the
Stuff, straws, stirs, cups, forks, knives. 307 of them. So, we made our beaches a lot cleaner. A few dozen people came out. I don't have the exact number, but thanks to people that did. Uh Rona Parker, Dan Bagley, Caroline Davidson, um from the Environmental
Commission staff the table. So, that was a great day. And I will say one other thing um about that event. There's another event going on. I guess it started in in Ocean Grove or Asbury and it was it was a walk but it was their pass through like you know we get the permit it's like oh it's just a pass
through I think 10,000 people passed through it was a massive massive massive walk for whatever they raised money for. So, I just want to suggest that in the future, uh, even when it's passed through, we kind of get a a a sense from the organizers like, well, how many people are going to pass through because
like there was a line at our bathrooms like 10 people deep and I'm sure it was extra work for our staff that was uh taking care of the restroom. So, we may want to consider I don't know what we could do, but we want to we want to build that in the future. So, big pass through. Oh, and then the environmental commission wants uh to encourage
everybody to leave their leaves this fall. All sorts of good reasons. We made a post on the Facebook page. We'll try and get it out in other channels, but to leave your leaves, it's good for wildlife and critters and birds that eat critters. And so, I'll leave it at that.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Councilwoman Green. >> Great. So, I will start um with an uh some information that we received from the Monmouth County Board of Commissioners. The Monmouth County Senior Advisory Council will be holding a listening session to hear concerns and
needs to successfully aging in place and this is for uh area residents uh Bradley Beach and other neighboring towns. It's taking place this Friday, October 24th from 10:30 to noon at the Neptune Township Senior Center and lunch will
also be provided. Um so that's that. Um, the Arts Council met Monday, October 20th. The Arts Council Suka event at Agudath Aim was cancelled due to the recent storm. But be sure not to miss our very own arts council, Gwen
Rosenblat, who will perform on flute and piano at the synagogue's community Shabbat Project, Saturday, November 8th, at 6:30 p.m. All are invited to attend at 309 Fth Avenue. More details to follow. The next arts council meeting is
scheduled for Monday, November 3rd, 11:00 a.m. at the BASI Center. The public is welcome. Flesher Lake Commission has not met since the last council meeting. However, there was a uh Flesher Lake cleanup this past Saturday. It was a beautiful day
and great to see neighbors from both towns working together for the sake of the lake. Look for pictures of the event in this week's co-star. Uh, and many thanks to the DPWWs of both Bradley and Neptune for proactively managing the lake level during the recent storm. The
next commission meeting will be on November 13th at 6 p.m. in this council chamber and a somewhat lengthy report uh for recreation. Uh, this is always an opportunity to share recreation's events. Uh, Maan open play runs every
Friday 1 to 3 at the Bazi Center. The senior club meets tomorrow, October 22nd at noon. Uh, senior game time Tuesdays is back uh the first and third Tuesdays of each month. By OG, bring your own game and join friends at the Byz
Community Fellowship. Students, students in grades 5 through 12 are invited to participate in the art club, which runs every Wednesday at 5:00 p. p.m. at the Neptune City Community Center, and that's at 1173rd Avenue across the street from the Stop and
Shop. There's also the glitter and glue crew every Tuesday and Thursday morning from 11:30 to 12:15. It's a fun craft group for ages 2 to 5 years old and all Bradley Beach uh residents are welcome
to the these activities at the Neptune Community Center. Don't miss out October 24th for a ghoulish gathering at 400 p.m. on the Evergreen Beach. All ages welcome to this festive Halloween costume content contest with music, snacks, and pumpkin chucking. This event
will be modified because of the recreation construction. So, the pumping pumpkin chucking will take place on the beach. Recreation will be hosting its fourth annual trunk or treat on October 26th. That's this Sunday, in the municipal parking lot from 1 to 3:00
p.m. Uh, bring your own bring your children and grandchildren to this festive and safe Halloween event. Construction continues at the rec site as it refurbishes its playground and facility courts as well as drainage and repair drainage repair and pave repaving. The work will continue through
the fall with limited public access access to the facility. The recreation committee's next meeting will be uh Monday, November 17th at 6:30 p.m. And that was my third. >> Very good. Thank you, Councilwoman. Um I'll start with the mayor's wellness
walk, uh which is coming up this Sunday, October 26 at 9:00 am. Uh, anyone who's interested, please try to meet us at the Brinley Avenue Beach at the title of this is Healthy Dog, Healthy You. So,
especially if you're a dog owner or intending to become one, uh, come check it out and listen to our local uh, resident veterinarian, Dr. Kathleen Ey. Um, another important update is a number of
us representing Bradley Beach will be meeting with the county director Tom Arnon and a couple of county engineers uh uh this Thursday morning uh October 23rd. Uh we are going to be visiting the intersection at 4th Avenue and Memorial
Drive because there have been some very severe accidents there over the past year. Uh there's been a history of accidents there over time. The county does have a traffic calming uh process underway for Memorial Drive that is
intended to span about three years. Uh they won't start to take any official action until uh 2028 in terms of making changes. U but we will be meeting Arnon and those engineers and that when I say we, Bradley Beach will be represented by
myself, Councilman Noiki and the our chief of police. uh the Neptune City mayor will be joining us along with the Neptune City Chief of Police. So, um we're hoping that we can come up with an interim solution. I've expressed to the director that we do not want to wait uh
until 2028 to hopefully take uh initiatives that might create a safer um intersection for us. Eric, I'm hoping you can help me with this one. I just wanted to let the public know that we have a bid opening planned pretty soon. Is that uh Thursday? Do you know?
>> Friday. >> Friday. >> Next Friday. >> Okay. So, uh do you have a date then? What's do you know off hand? >> The 31st. >> The 31st. Thank you. >> Sorry to be on the spot, but for those interested, uh October 31st, uh we have
requested bid proposals for a renovation of the sewer pump station on Ocean A right next to the uh the children's park there. And um as you heard, October 31st, that morning, 10:00 a.m. >> Yes. >> 10 a.m. So, anyone interested or wants
to witness our clerk opening bids, are you opening the bids, Erica? >> No. That those days are long gone. Thank you very much. >> I thought they might be. Uh but if you're interested, um you know that we will be opening bids at that time. So, that concludes my comments and let us
now move to uh public comments or questions. Any public comments or questions? That's the shred I did for you. Nancy Meadow, I know it's been hours, but I still have not moved on.
Mr. Weber, I couldn't agree more. We need to do something about these pass through events. I've been saying it forever, so maybe now I'm going be glad you brought it up. >> This one was projected big. 5 minutes. >> I think if there was 10 people, we need
to wear and tear on our world. M green lamp. Fireworks not only a waste of $18,000 in my personal opinion, they're bad for the environment. I've been saying that for years, too. Mayor Gubossi.
>> Hello. and public for years and I do not know how many years but I know it's in excess of three years. I have tried to obtain unsold beach badges
which the library uses as decorative ornaments as a fundraiser. No one in those years helped me or got back to me. I mentioned it to Mayor Kubosi.
Within three weeks, I think I was given over $1,000 worth of beaches that were not sold. They're now in the hands of the library. They will be selling wreaths and Christmas trees with the little tags on
them. And you can even buy a wreath, take a ribbon off, and put a little beachy one on it, and it's a 12 month thing. So, along with Mr. Kenny, thank you for that, first of all, and along with Mr. Kenny's comments about our
operations and lack thereof, I say to you all, why do we have so many unsold badges? There's obviously a problem in the process and I'm not just talking the weekly ones that we knew were going to be a loser and what can we
do in the future so that I don't need to be involved and the mayor certainly has better things to do than this and maybe that's why he puts in more time than necessary. So as soon as those badges are returned they're not put in the
garbage but they're given to our board. doesn't matter if the tax is alive. Okay? It's one of those instances where we are working together. So, don't say uh oh sometimes. And then to those of you because I don't think we
have a meeting until Thursdays from now. So, for those of you that are running to serve the public, good luck. >> Thank you. >> Other comments or questions? Anyone on Zoom? I see no hands. I will make a
motion to There is no executive session. I will make a mot to >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you everyone. All three.