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joining us tonight. Um >> we have we have an interesting agenda. We'll get to that in a moment. Um in that we're going to have two workshops and um I'm hoping we're doing these workshops uh to make sure that the public hears us deliberate.
We're not necessarily making final decisions. Uh but we but we have some pressing issues. We want to make sure we as a council will address them, consider the pros and cons. We want you to hear us address them and we welcome your feedback. So, uh I think that'll be an
interesting part of the evening. Um be before we get to that however I want to make a quick announcement that anyone who's interested in um end of last week Friday end of the week Eric our clerk uh posted an agenda and that original
agenda included uh an ordinance amendment that was labeled 2025-37 and related to affordable housing and overlay zones. Uh we will not be discussing that tonight. In fact, uh I asked the clerk to remove that item from
our agenda uh because it needs more work. We put it on the agenda last week thinking we'd be in position to uh get through it. We're not. We will address it at a later date. So, tonight we will not be talking about the original uh
less 2025-37 uh related to affordable housing. Instead, our clerk has given us a new 2025-37 which we will discuss. I just want to make sure everyone's aware of that. Now, before we get to workshops, one other thing I'd like to do, we we have some
special guests here tonight. And I'd like to like and I'd like to make a motion to uh to move to presentations and bids, which is right now item six on our agenda. >> Second, Mr. Noble. Yes, Mr. Reed. Yes,
>> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes, >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes, Mayor Dougi. >> Yes, Council President. >> Okay, so tonight we are going to be hearing about the incredible work being done at the Bradley Elementary School in a presentation entitled A Small
Miny School. We have uh two presenters, Dr. Hidleberg, our superintendent, and Dr. Franks. But before we get started, I would like to recognize a few people. And if I say your name, can you just give us a wave because we have a lot of people here from the school that work hard and I just like to recognize them.
Noel, um I'm gonna start with the board members. The um Noel Weinberg is here, Felicia Saki, we have Kate Saluti, we have April Davis, and we also have Liza Flynn here.
And uh we also have Tracy Davidson. She's the president of the Bradley Beach Elementary Foundation. in the back there. >> Education. Oh, thank you. I'm so used to seeing VBES, Bradley Beach Elementary School. Okay. And then we also have
Melissa Butler who's also with the Bradley Beach um education foundation and she's also on the PTA. And we have some of the people from the mentor program which is under the VBBES. We have Paula Gavin and we have Barb
Kenny is here and also Shauna Greenland. Thank you guys for all your work and uh without further ado, I'd like to introduce everybody to Dr. Elizabeth Franks. She is the president of the board of ed and Dr. Heidenberg who is
the superintendent of the Bradley Beach Elementary School. Take it away. So Erica, you be doing the >> Michelle. >> Usually [Music]
make it just takes a second. >> So Michelle is not in the room, right? So >> we have to verbally say go to the next Thank you. So, um, we want to thank, uh, the Mayo Council for this opportunity to
be able to share with the community about our small and mighty school. Uh, you know, I've been in town, I've been a homeowner since 1984 and a full-time resident for the past 10 years. And for many, many years, I used to always tell my family, Brady Beach is the best kept
secret on the Jersey Shore, right? Like, not many people knew about it, but we all knew how wonderful it was. And I don't think we can say that any longer, right? We've gotten a lot of publicity and now it's become a destination. We feel the same way about our small lady school. This is a little hidden gem in
this town that we feel that many people are not aware of. So, we really appreciate the opportunity to be able to share with you all the wonderful things that are going on at the school. Um, and really what we're hoping to do is invite you into a conversation, a two-way dialogue. uh do you have any questions
and we'll at the end uh give you a place to contact that. So uh if you could go to the next slide, this is just a glimpse of uh what's happening in our school. So you'll see students, you'll see teachers um and it
really is a a family atmosphere. I mean I think if you talk to anyone who goes in that school, you can feel it when you walk in the building that that family, that community uh that exists. So this is just a few pictures there and we go to the next slide.
So, uh, as the board of education and I want to just thank my colleagues for coming and supporting us, um, because we really are a team that works well together and we had a goal this year because we felt that maybe there's not this public understanding of our school. We kind of are in this little bubble
that, you know, we want to get out of um, and make sure we share with everyone. So, that was one of our board goals this year to really improve that public understanding of Brad Elementary School. So we have five goals with this presentation. You know, who we are, what
we do, um why it matters, right, to all not just the the families of students in Bradley Beach, but all residents in Bradley Beach, why it's important to everyone. Um, of course, what it costs because we know that's a that's an issue all the time. And finally, why it's
worth it, why it's worth to support this small but school in town. Um, and our goal is simple. We want to really ensure that every resident knows about this gem, this hidden gem in the heart of the community of Breid Elementary School. >> Next slide, please.
>> So, this is our board of education. So, you've seen many members here already. Um, but this is really our overall commitment to you, to the community. Our goal is that we want to promote student success. That's very important to us that our our students are are well-rounded and and ready while
remaining fiscally responsible because we know and we appreciate the the tax dollars that go to support our efforts. So those are our two overarching goals that we always keep in mind. Student success, fiscal responsibility, and that comes down to every dollar counts and
every student matters. So that's really what we abide by as we we go through the year. >> Next slide. So, who are we? Uh, so we are a school district that has about 300 students, right? But 200 of them are at the elementary school that's, uh, you know,
here in Brilliant Avenue, here in town. And a 100 students or so go to the local high schools. And that's important for all of us to remember because um, we are financially responsible for all the students in this town, whether they go to our elementary school or our high school. So, our high school students are
included um all the way through high school graduation. Uh in addition to our tuition students, I mean into our students, we also accept tuition students from outside the school district. We'll talk a little bit more about that as well when we go on further. Next slide, please. So,
speaking of the high schools, we figured it was easier to show you like where did last year's class go as opposed to discussing all the different high schools. Um, so the reality is that our kids have the opportunity to go to high schools throughout the county, both public and private. In this last year's class, we had a number of students that
went to uh RVR, which is Redbank Regional, the engineering program, the finance program. We had a number of students go to the county magnet schools. Uh, for example, Mass, which is on Sandy Hook. Uh, also the Allied Health Academy. We had multiple students come to these various schools as well,
to Neptune as well. We send our students to Neptune as well as a place called Poseidon, which is a school that it's part of the Neptune School District, but you will get your associates degree when you also get your high school diploma. And the important thing to know here is that out of all the students that came in our class last year, 69% were
accepted to and are attending a competitive high school. In other words, they had to apply to get into these programs. Something that we're showing how we're preparing our students uh to meet those needs when they get to high school. Thanks. >> Can I just say uh when I moved down here, I have been in education for a long time and I was really more involved
with a a prek to 12 system. So when I came down here and saw that whole uh menu of high schools, I thought, "Oh my god, our seventh graders are like juniors in high school because they have to, you know, look at all these options that they have and try to figure out what is the best fit for them." So, it
really is that opportunity that they they make that connection with how prepared am I and what do I want to do in my next chapter in life. >> And who are we? We are the teachers and and we have 34 dedicated teachers and specialists that serve our kids pre-K through B. Uh 85% of them hold multiple
certifications. In a small school, that's really important because this allows us to provide programming in various different areas. For example, in special education and general education. Um I know you want to talk a little bit about all the different certifications we hold. >> So um Dr. Hidleberg is a great example,
right? So he's been introduced as the superintendent, but he's also the principal of the school. So he's slash superintendent principal. Um our supervisor of special services is also a social worker for our school. Um our director of curriculum and instruction, she wears many hats. I probably couldn't
give all the different things that she does, but wherever there's a need, she fills in that gap. um our board uh ad our business administrator is our board secretary. So it's almost like everyone in our school wears multiple hats and that really does allow for some of that
flexibility. Uh we have teachers who teach multiple grade levels. Um and we our first grade teacher is also the family liaison. So if you work at Bradley Beach, you can expect that you are not just me going to be doing one thing, but we really encourage and and
we really support and it really helps us to have that student success when we have teachers with multiple certifications. >> It allows us to provide different programming for on a lean budget. Next slide, please. >> Lean budget. I want you. >> So a little bit about our instructional
program. We have a core instructional program that mirrors most any school um which we have obviously instruction in ELA and math and those things. Uh we have targeted support everything from support for special services students uh to gifting and talented students. Uh we have full day preschool for three and
four year olds. We have no waiting list by the way which is good. We just opened a third prek class this year because we want to make sure we can service every kid in our community. Um we we talked a little about college and career readiness. We have to start now. As Dr. Frank said, our students are juniors when they're seventh graders. They have
to really be prepared for high school because they have to apply to the to the various high schools. Um, and the important part is that we offer a full academic program that actually mirrors a lot of larger school districts. We offer a lot of different programming again on that lean budget while trying to make
sure we're servicing every student. >> Can I just with this targeted support when you see all these different things, that's where our every student matters. So even though we're small, we have children with special needs. We have gifted and talented children. We have multilingual learners. So even though
we're small, we still have a vast array of different students. And that's that targeted support. We say every student matters. We make sure that there's some program that's going to support whatever the needs of that child. Uh whatever the needs of that child are that we're going to be able to support them.
>> Next slide. So just take a look when we tell you about what we offer. Think about all these extracurriculars. I mean, look at that list. And this doesn't even include the PTA supporting the third and fourth graders that have clubs and activities. And so, again, this goes back to what we're saying with the small school. We still have a large array of of offerings
for our bands. And and what's interesting to me about this is that kids really get to explore all of this before they get to high school. They get to try on all these different things. and because of the flexibility. So we have teachers who have some of the clubs they meet at 8 o'clock in the morning so
the kids can play sports in the afternoon. So it's that type of thing that the the school again being small they're able to to do those types of things and and I'll take so I have four I have four grands who are currently in the school. I have one who graduated and
is now in one of the high schools. But my sixth grade grandson, he's plays on the soccer team. He's in the band. He's in student council. If you're in a larger district, he may not be able to do all of that. They may you have to choose sometimes between band or sports, right? It's not something that you're
able to do. But because we have all these offerings, these kids are exposed to all these different things. I met someone right at the beginning about the environmental club that's going down and and working uh at the beach. I it's just what wonderful opportunities the students have here in Grand Beach. Next
slide. So, we have some signature programs that are actually really special to Bradley Beach, especially in a small school. Uh, one of them you may have heard about is the two-way dual language program, right? So, this is a program that's usually offered in a much in a much larger district or in an affluent district. Basically, a two-way dual
language program is that students who grow up speaking in one language, in this case, Spanish, and another group of students who grow up speaking maybe at home English, they basically are in the classroom together where they learn in both languages. So the English students learn Spanish, the Spanish students learn English. It's called a two-way
dual language program in preK and now this year in kindergarten as well. And what that does, you'll look at the academic research. It shows that your brain just lights up when you learn languages at that age. So we can the more that we do that, we have some of our students who speak English at home now speaking, you know, really great Spanish, singing songs in Spanish and
the opposite as well. So we are really pushing in on that. That's been a great addition to Bradley Beach in the last few years. We also started our very first uh or or most recently an autism program. And we do that for two reasons. One is we can help service the students in the school, but also to save it saves the taxpayers a lot of money. For
example, some students that may have certain um special needs may cost the district up to $130,000. That's just for tuition. Doesn't even include transportation. But by having our own program that we control, we can hire people. We can provide the services for a little bit less of a cost or a lot
less cost. again keeping in mind what our budgetary needs are. So we're servicing the students again and and and hitting our budget priorities. Obviously talked a little about some other things uh as well as our avid college and career readiness and phonics initiatives that we have. Um these programs as I said uh save our students uh give our
students great programming but also save us some money. >> So we actually just to highlight that two-way dual language program as Dr. kind of said it was very unusual for a small school to offer a dual language program and this is something that we are extremely proud of. Um, and as a matter of fact, a local realtor had
shared with us that he actually rented a place to someone who came into town who came because we have a two-way dual language program. So, we're really when we talk about we want to attract families to Bradley Beach, like that's one way that hopefully we can can bring in more families. So, uh, I think that's
really important to, you know, blow our own horn that we're doing something that is extremely special and extremely unique. >> Next slide. >> So, why does all this matter? So, next slide again. Thank you.
>> So, elementary school is a small place. So, every student's name is known. We all know each other's, you know, all know each other's name. We really push not just on the academic growth of our students, but also the social and emotional growth. You know, our students are precious. We really care make sure that they do very well in such a small
inclusive community. And we are not just saying that. We're actually certified as a kindly certified school the last few years. So we're continuing to do those things to make sure our students feel safe. Next slide. But so how are we doing? Right? That's the end of the day. Results matter,
right? So let's take a look. In the last couple years, oh sorry, next slide. Uh so take a look at our our our work in our yield lang proficiency in our language artic proficiency in the last four years we've gone up 61% that's been our increase in the last four years.
Next slide. >> Can I just interrupt because we you know want to make sure NJSLA that is the state assessment. So the state tests all the students throughout the state of New Jersey. So that's the NJSLA. So this is that the data from
that test from our third through eighth grade students who take that. >> Correct. In mathematics we have seen a 55% increase in math proficiency. So again making those big gains that we that we need. And next slide please. And in science we have a 323% increase
over the last four years. Now I did check with the math teacher to check my correct but obviously you know we are improving in that. And why does that matter? Next slide. So again, we want to make sure that um the results tell us that our students are leaving Brown Beach Elementary School prepared for high school. As I
just showed you before, 69% of our eighth graders are leaving the competitive programs. And that's what this these results why that matters. Um so we had a strategic planning session. I think it was three or four years ago. Many of you may have been involved in it. And one of the things that the presenter asked us to think about is
like think about the end of this strategic plan and Time magazine comes into the school and what would you like to see on that on that uh cover. So this is the cover we created and it says breakers turn the tide and uh the picture. So we're halfway through our
strategic plan. So we're hoping in a few more years that Time magazine comes and does this because it really is something that we have been very focused about um in looking at how do we how do we make that happen. So this part is about the
the student success that I said how we one of our goals is student success. So now we're going to move into >> the school finances right and the fiscal responsibility. >> Next slide. So, the reality is is that as you pay
attention to the news, I know you know that that school funding is being cut. And in New Jersey, specifically our district, we've lost $662,000 in state aid since 2017, right? That's a lot of money for a small school. Um, but you have to we have mandated high school
tuition. Sometimes the rates went up. I think the rate one of our high schools went up 17% in one year. the tuition rate when we send our our students to sometimes out of district special education needs are very very high very very costly and those things um are things we can't control um
transportation is required for every high school student remember they can't just walk necessarily to a school in town so we have to provide transportation uh for our our students and we all know about the inflationary times that we live in and there's been a lot of uh increases especially in health insurance side of things so these are
realities that we're dealing with um that we have to but the reality for us to kind of understand that some of these are mandated services. We don't have a choice but to provide them. Uh we have really no choice but to provide some of them. Um but delivering quality education does require dollars. Next
slide. So it's important to know that we really do as much as we can do more with less. We try and do you know the amount of money that we spend trying to make sure every dollar is accounted for appropriately. Uh we use the bank app to manage costs. Um we talk a lot about
shared services. I want to thank our council for approving the shared services recently. Um, you know, the bureau and us are now sharing the lawn care services and other services as well as we go along and we want to thank the burough for that. But we're always looking for shared services. We have shared services with Delmare School District. We have shared services with
about four other school districts in a consortium to spend dollars so we can get things together. So we belong to a number of those consortiums as well, but sharing services with keyword school district on on um prek. So we we share services in a lot of districts again trying to keep our cost down but still
be able to have access to those services. We also do so we as many competitive grants as we can. I become a really really good um grant writer with the help of chess but uh it's really helped us really we apply for a lot of grants. We get a lot of grants. You may have heard we got the brand new boilers. Thank you to um the community members
that have brought that to us. Brand new boilers that was 300 and I can't remember the exact number. >> Yeah over 50 $350,000 >> right we got as a grant right. That's important as well. We just got an $86,000 grant for our playground. So, we continue to look for opportunities to
get grant money to help offset those costs for our taxpayers. Also, we're not just saying that, right? We have 10 years of what they call perfect audits. In other words, there's no fine. There are more than 10 years now. So, we are being fiduciarially responsible for what we're doing. And as we talked about before, we do use our staff strategic.
>> So, you know, this is, as I mentioned, our business administrator. So between our business administrator and our superintendent, they are wizards. Like every time they go to present the budget, it's like, "How did you do this? How did you like take all those things that we just talked about into consideration?" And yet we still have
all these wonderful services for the students. Um last year when the auditor comes and he he said he'd loves to come to Brad Beach and he said, you know, I have an audit with no findings. We're like, that sounds kind of boring. Like in educational terms, does that mean an A+?
He's like, "It means an A+." I'm like, "Okay, we understand that." Not not what the funding. So, um, we really celebrate that that that's something when we talk about fiscal responsibility. That is something that, uh, again, kudos to Mr. Tanzola and Dr. Hedleberg that somehow
they're able to with all of these constraints, uh, they're able to make it work. >> Next slide, please. >> So, I'm sure many of you received this letter. And so, when I received this letter about like, well, where do our taxes go? These are the county taxes. These are the the school, the library.
So, I really just highlighted and honed in on municipal, and no offense to municipal, but what we found is that our school taxes have been lower than municipal taxes, at least for the last five years. And that is not typical. So, if you go to other towns, lots of times you're
going to see that school taxes are actually higher than the municipal. That's the that's the typical um graph that we will see. So, it is something again that we want the public to be aware of because we count every dollar. We act maximize we have again folks who
are being aware of all this uh that we've been able to to accomplish this we think is pretty incredible. >> Next slide. >> So one of the things though because Oops. back >> right back. Sorry
you go back one. >> So I'm sure we've all heard it. We in the school hear it, right? Oh, why don't they close the school? That'll save our taxes. That'll lower taxes. Why don't we consolidate with these larger districts? You know, that'll be better for us. And
we hear it. And it's probably one of the reasons why we make sure we're very fiscally responsible because we love this school and we just think that we are providing a first rate education for the students in Bradley Beach. And so that's why we work very hard at making sure all the things that we're doing to
to keep us solid. So uh co uh core costs will remain right consolidation will solve all our fiscal challenges. So as Dr. Hatterburg explained all of those things again we still have those same 200 kids with the same needs. So even if they go to another school it's we're
still going to be spending money. We're going to have to pay tuition to that school. And as Dr. Hover mentioned we have no control over what tuition is set. So this year we were a little surprised at the increase that we you know were given were told about you know
after we were already trying to build our budget and then we were told oh no the there's an increase now in high school tuition. So we have to be aware of that. We don't have any say in what those schools will tell us what the tuition is. Um and that our district will take care of all our needs. And
again we are so passionate about making sure that our kids have all those opportunities as you saw the clubs that are offered. We had 25 kids come out for our soccer team, our boys soccer team. We're like, "Wow, these students want to be engaged, right? They want to be a
part of what's going on in our school." And um the other piece of that though is so if we go and we merge with another district, we lose this local control that we passionately take uh responsibility for and we might
have one board seat on the, you know, word nine. So, we're not going to have much of a voice in what gets done, right? What gets said. And so, that's something to keep in mind. Taxes will go down and perhaps they will, but there is no guarantee because of what we've been talking about with tuition, the
transportation. We send kids to other school. Now, we have transportation. Those of you who live in town, I'm sure you see all those little kids and families, you know, I drive my kids, my grandkids to school every morning. you see that we are a walking school district which is another great reason why we have safe foods to school because
we are a walking school district. So we save on transportation because of that and of course if we have children with special needs we are obligated and and morally and legally to to take care of those students. So what we've really put our energy into instead of looking into
consolidation is the shared services. How can we are actively always looking with the burough with our neighboring towns and our neighboring districts how can we share services so we're reducing that cost but we're still providing those programs that enrichment that kids
need right we want to do that both end not your work and that's really what uh we're focusing on those shared services next slide so we like to say we're small but mighty one of the things is we have a historical building uh in the center of
Um, yeah, and that's something that I think is precious to many of us here in Bradley Beach, you know, as we just experienced losing that historical building. Um, we want to make sure and we recognize that our public school is a beautiful old school and we take great pride in that uh facilities upgrades,
making sure I don't know if any of you saw the posting uh about the cafeteria floor uh this past summer, you know, how we're really always trying to make sure that that that building is uh stable, safe. The boilers that we did um is is something and so again thinking about
how do we maintain that? We just did a facilities assessment and we're in the process of what are the priorities? How do we maintain this beautiful building that's in the center of town >> and so we've been recognized outside uh by various different organizations. We just talked about the state safer for school and thanks to Chief Arnold who's
over there and and the whole town and the recreation department for helping us uh get those uh recognitions. But we also uh have been recognized for our college and career readiness program with AVID. We've been recognized as a sustainable jersey as the town is as well. Uh then we've started presenting at other places because some people are like what's going on around the beach
and they want to hear about it. So presenting now at outside places as well and for me as someone from a large district we just talked to someone from who has lived in the small the large district I taught in for many many years um where Academy Community School just allows us to be more flexible and so many of you are out there representing
various organizations in town from the historical society to the BBCA to the you know various different places that we have uh relationships with and we can do that in a small school and that's really thing that is really special about Bradley Beach Elementary School that we are flexible to work with community groups. And so if you have a community group and you want to work
with the school, please let us know. We're always looking for that. Next slide. There's only 42 more slides. >> So no, we're actually why it's worth it, right? Why is it worth it that this town, this Bradley Beach community embraces our little
small but mighty school? Um we have outstanding student outcomes and I I just I know I don't want to embarass Dr. but he has really done a tremendous job in the four years that he has been here and it really is uh due to his efforts and with the staff um that we've been
able to turn the tide that you saw on that on that frame. And so it is about the outstanding student outcomes, the high school readiness so that we efficiently use the taxpayer dollars um that we are afforded because our goal is to build a stronger, more vibrant Braden
Beach community. >> Next slide. So when I first came here, uh, someone had said to me like, remember that at any given moment in Bradley Beach, there are more residents at the school than there's anywhere else in town and it's the heart of the community. Physically, it's the heart of the community because
it's kind of in the center of town as well as, you know, it's kind of the heart of the community in a lot of the organizations and a lot of the the work that gets done. So we want to make sure we remember that for us and we believe that very strong. We want to still be the heart of of Bradley Beach. Uh we do prepare uh our students as you saw you
know we're preparing them academically. We're preparing them socially and emotionally for the future. We're also protecting your property values too by spending efficiently. We feel that's very very important. Um and together we're trying to build a brighter uh and better reach for all residents especially. >> And so we want to thank the uh the
council for inviting our students because you see they may be taking your seats one day when they came here to to the adorable picture. >> And the final slide So we're we look forward to continuing this conversation. We feel remember this
is our board of education goal and >> sorry next slide. Last one last one. >> Um and so we this is the beginning not the end. So we hope that we can continue this conversation through small focus groups. Um here's some information if you would like to ask us questions. Uh
>> so you know every year we have our night and museum where we open our our school to the whole community. people that live across the streets that have never been to the school, has been here the whole time. So, please come out to our open house that we have in the spring. Um, and you know, during the Jazz Fest, we know that we come and see the school and so to support our our, you know, jazz
fest and the community there. So, thank you very much for our time. Thank you for inviting us. We really appreciate you for being here. I do have to mention that there is also another Bradley Beach Education Foundation member here who was instrumental in getting the grant for
the furnace of boilers and his name is TJ Cohen. >> I was going to be talking. Okay. But yes, thank you for that and thank you everybody for being here. The board of ed >> I'm sorry.
>> Oh, okay. Go ahead. >> Se has a question. >> Yes, >> Dr. Handler. I just have a question because we're all and first of all, thank you for this wonderful presentation. We all appreciate, you know, the commitment and the work that you put into this school district and um the connection that you've made with the
community of Bradley Beach. It's very apparent um and the concern of the school size. Uh do you foresee strategically uh drawing tuition students because of the two very special programs that you created within the school? >> We do have some tuition students
already. uh and we hope to continue to get more and we do draw them from our surrounding communities including Neptune City, including Neptune uh as well. So we are you know certainly looking to continue to draw students and and when we you know spread the word with the innovative program we have but you guys know people you know we're certainly accepting tuition students
obviously it depends on the class because certain classes are larger than others and we can't displace any other students. So yes we hope to continue to to give tuition to students by building programs that that kids want to be in. I mean the autism program is that was that just started this year? >> Yeah, this is the first year of that. So
we can over time once we you know once we've built that program out we could certainly accept other students from other districts especially smaller districts like Belar places like that where they also you know we need to work together and share services. >> Hope I answer your question. >> No, I mean these are critical things I
think that can be very strategic in terms of Bradley Beach not losing the elementary school. >> Absolutely. We got we have to keep bringing our kids in and That's it. >> Great job. >> Good comment. >> Okay, let me leave.
Comment. As the person up here that actually sent the two kids to the school, uh, you know, I don't think I knew what to expect at all. Uh, just it's the close. It's the neighborhood school, so it's fine by me. But, uh, it was really an exceptional exceptional experience. the the the real thing. If
you get to go to a graduation, I know we get to go. If any of you out there, if you get to go to a graduation, I mean, just tell somebody that you're some kid's grandparents. If you can get you will know, you you will see the difference and what these folks are talking about how it's really special
and how there's um yeah, there's just everybody knows every kid in that school and well um just a couple other things. I think there's a lot of hard work. Yes. Very good. There's a little bit of luck. And we're lucky that David Tanzola decided to stay in our school district. The business administrator was
mentioned, but this is a man he could tell you where every single dime is in that school. And we're just so lucky to have him. It's really great. Uh as far as wearing multiple hats, you know that the the mascot, the seagull, just letting you know. Betty hats runs
deep. So really seriously appreciate it. You got I mean my kids thrived and um are doing great in high school. Go back. >> So, thank you all to the many folks who earlier raised your hands just identifying yourselves as volunteers who support the school.
It's a wonderful community >> and you guys are dismissed if you can say if you like but um yeah, you don't you don't have to stay for the whole meeting because we enjoy unless you want to stay. You're more than welcome.
Okay. [Music] >> Right. >> All right. >> Okay. Um, thank you council president for organizing that particular presentation.
>> We I now make a motion that we move to uh get back in order item five on our agenda, the workshop. >> Second. >> We don't have to make a motion to reverse it. >> Okay. Okay. Good. So, >> so we are going to move to item five on our agenda. Um, as I mentioned at the
start of the meeting, our goal tonight is to deliberate in public. So, um, we want you to be active participants. Council's going to, uh, explore some of these ideas, honestly, for the first time. I've talked to individuals
one-on-one. We have not met as a group, of course. Uh, and the first topic on our agenda is speech lockers. And let me let me tee this conversation up a little without getting too detailed. There's there's state statutes basically that
have created um law that we all follow referred to as the public trust doctrine. And what that basically means is we Bradley Beach and our government, our governing body, we are the custodians of the beach. We don't own
the beach. Our residents don't own the beach. Our taxes don't go to pay for the beach. We just have to take care of the beach for all of New Jersey. That means anyone in the state of New Jersey can go use that beach as long as they pay for a beach badge. They can use the bathrooms
and and our residents have to pay the same dollar amount for that beach to use the bathroom on the beach. So, conceptually, everyone has access and and we're not allowed to even make a profit. These are selfquidating utilities. What that means is at the end
of at the end of any period of time our the revenue we collect should more or less come in to offset the expenses we have. We do build a surplus hopefully over time and that surplus is there as a cushion to make sure we don't lose money but the goal generally speaking under
the public trust doctrine is that and I have said this in public for a number of years that um that everyone has equal access. Now I have also understood that to mean uh everyone had equal access to beach lockers.
Beach has beach lockers. A large percentage of our uh total lockers. I don't know the exact number. It's roughly 400 450 lockers. Close to half of those lockers are actually leased or rented or whatever term you want to use
u by non-residents. And again, under under the concept of the public trust doctrine, that's the way it should be. You know, you don't get special privilege for being a Bradley Beach resident. Residents in town brought to our
attention this year that other burrows actually do favor their residents. So, we've asked Mr. Canon to help us better understand what we can and cannot do if we were I'm underscoring the word if. If we were inclined, first of all, if we
were able to to differentiate in favor of our residents, then the second question is, you know, would we would we want to do that? There are pros and cons to this, financial issues around moving that revenue and the cost out of the beach utility into our current fund. I
don't want to get too deep into all that now, but I think what we, the council, would like to do is just understand for Mr. canon uh what we can and cannot do and then to the extent there is some flexibility I'd like us to be able to discuss the pros and cons of whatever
those options are. So Mr. Ken can I put you on the spot to educate all of us? >> Sure. So you guys are all familiar talked about public trust doctrine here before. You're generally familiar with it. Um there's there's a progyny of
cases from the 1970s that essentially govern what you can and cannot do. The most famous one is really Neptune versus Avon which has to do with beach fees. You have to charge the same fees to for access to the public beach which belongs to everyone in the state. The general
public I should say visitors too and have protection of our laws. Um so in Neptune versus Avon it basically said that the court the Supreme Court originally said that the municipality could not discriminate any respect between residents and non-residents and
then there were a number of cases that shaped that. Um, two in 1978 specifically, um, were Van Ness versus Deal, which had to do with the use of Deal Casino and the beach that was roped off for Deal Casino, which remains a natural beach,
right? There's not it's not man-made or improved uh, in any way. Um and and then there was the case of Highland versus Allener which was had to do with man-made facilities at the beach which obviously the beach lockers are man-made
facilities at the beach and um since then there's been other cases and most recently there was one about parking fees at the beach essentially discrimination between residents and non-residents getting to the beach parking at at least hard arguing is a necessity of getting to the beach. So,
notwithstanding that, parking is a man-made facility. Can't discriminate between residents and non-residents with park parking in proximity to the beach. You saw that recent I was uh in the town right here that the case escapes me, but that was more recent in the newspaper. Um going back to Highland versus
Allenhurst, uh the the main one of the main questions in that case was bathrooms. So, if you have bathrooms that are reasonably that are that are already there at the beach, it's a man-made facility. Um do you have to provide equal access to bathrooms? And the answer is yes because that has to do
with public health. You have the facilities available and you can't discriminate between residents and non-residents. The the Supreme Court has never required things like beach clubs or things that are only open to residents. Man-made structures are open only open to residents that are not
necessary to to visit and and maintain the public trust public trust option of visiting the the natural open beach that belongs to everyone. So, thus far, uh, bathrooms are clearly if they're available, then they must be open to everybody. Um, and, um, as you I think
we had a discussion here one time of bathroom that you know was open to everybody. Um, some people liked it, some people didn't, but that has to be the case. Uh, and um, these beach lockers fall into an ancillary. You don't need to store your
things at the beach to enjoy the public beach under public trust doctrine. Uh, and the Highland versus Alen case distinguishes between other man-made features like narrow the hills disputes and the bathrooms and necessary purchases which I mentioned before is not an expensive parking but you need
there's no legal duty for the municipality to provide everyone with a place to store their items under lock and key at the beach and so you can see in surrounding towns as was brought to your attention by your residents like Avon requires you to be an individual
listed on the tax rules of the bureau of Avon andor a year round renter of the burrow, aka a resident, to access their beach lockers. Um, there's a number of other towns that I could list and and go and go through, but suffice to say, the
the courts have never held that this sort of amenity. Um, which is also of maintained by TPW. Um, they moved them all around. We stored them all year round, not on the public beach, right? they we pull them off and put them on municipal property that's as owned by
the taxpayers of Rodney Beach. Um and so I I think that you can limit them to residents like the other towns surrounding you if you choose to do so. Um legally, you know, legal impediment to doing so. As the mayor pointed out, there are some of the practical considerations, but legally you can
restrict lockers to residents. Um no requirement. You provide non-resident the beach. >> Greg, it so folks have said I I chatted with the mayor Babon about this. One or
two of our residents have said there's also some issue related to the terminology we use for beach lockers. Should we if we were to change our policy and be able to uh and if we
wanted to uh provide favorable uh process for our residents, do do we have to actually call beach lockers something different boxes or some other terminology that others have told me that I just want to understand. I mean
they call it a beach box in that but I think that park calls it a locker and as parks for the residents as well. I'm not sure of a distinction in that language. I would definitely track those other those other municipalities have a substantially similar very simple locker ordinance that I would I would follow. I
wouldn't try to over complicate it and create yards to pull apart if that's the direction council wants to go. um I would follow people around us that you know on as I just mentioned I mentioned add on twice in the cases in the case law so um you know I follow their lead
I wouldn't try to reinvent the wheel there and also to be clear one of the things that got us to dive deeper on this the residents who brought this to our attention identified Avon as a burrow or burrow mun county that
exclusively provides lockers for their residents. Belar provides lockers for all but they charge they give a discount to residents. So again they're distinguishing in favor of the residents but if we were to go in this direction
there are there are grades of favoring our residents that we could consider. So with that said other questions for Mr. John, please comment and then I have a question. >> So, you know, we've been hearing about this for a while. Um, I I am personally not
in favor of making it so our residents can get lockers and probably not even changing the price for for residents. Um, no, the case law was really famous in in my line of work, the one that Greg mentioned, Avon versus Neptune, meaning
that Avon people paid one price to go to the beach and those folks from Neptune, they paid a different price. Um, Avon was on the wrong side of that. That's 50-y old case law. Uh, I'm not 100% sure they would be on the right side of of this one. And I want to throw one other
kind of a a curveball into this, Greg. Um there's also case law that replenished beaches are public beaches. It's actually um another mama but all mama county all these cases it's Lou versus long branch guy thought well you you know I own down to the water and you replenish down to here. So now I own all
that and the you know state supreme court said no no no no that's not our work. Replenish beaches are public beaches. So the army corps we found out they replenished our entire beach and from the waters line all the way back up to the bulkhead they put sand. And if you're the army corp I mean we think of it differently, but they think it's
their sand like it's their project. So, we need special permission to do stuff on their project. Um, we built dunes on that project and then after Sandy, they said we're we're coming back. You got to get rid of those dunes. We had to undo what we had did both Sandy in terms of
building dunes. And then another example is this bulkhead extension. This goes back many many years. But to do what we want to do to extend the bulkhead further south past third a we need permission from the army corp because we're we're kind of putting this thing on their project. They said it's okay
because it's actually providing more protection of you know so they're fine with it. My point with this is if somebody feels like challenging this in the sense of um you know it's just another set of rules where because it's public money everything has to be
publicly available and this is how we beat back the crazy parking rules they want to put in deal said no no no these are plant breaches these are you can't you can't have special laws of that favor residents over non-residents so I just worry if it goes that way there's
like this other layer of them, you know, coming down on the side of uh it has to be equally available to everybody and I just don't like the idea of being on the wrong side of that one. Not too question also.
>> That was just a Bruce B. >> Can Mr. Canon actually address that though when we're talking about the Army Corps of Engineers and the replenished beaches? I mean, Avan I believe is also a replenished beach. Um, and are we
still able to to uh uh separate out the beach lockers or beach boxes as not necessarily an amenity for beach goers on on a on a replenished beach? Is there
some things? So, you know, mine's really equal protection or civil rights kind of discussion. You know, what structures can be I would defer to the federal engineers to what structures can be where on the beach? I I I know that we have a permit to put the boxes out for
some period of time, but I would I would wear I'm not that fond of my apartment. >> I believe that's per and that's because of you know what storage is the issue and and it's considered structure that's considered
development. So I again separate from the issue of um you know the sand being the core different agency and and or as well as the civil aspect from a legal perspective.
Um, but you know, I think from a resident's point of view, um, I know there's a lot of people who have expressed, um, dismay at the the length of time that they've been on on a list and would like to see the ability to be
able to see a tournament or the ability at being a resident to have a beach locker. Um, you know, so we came here and spoke to this council and that's what instigated this uh exploration. Um, I think that there's also the
consideration that do you lose patronage? Will that cause a a a erosion of of patronage uh because people are saying, "Well, you know what? I can't I can't store my stuff there, so I'm not going to go to that beach and move to a different beach." And and so that's a
consideration. Um, but but as a newer resident here who does not have a beach locker, I would love to be able to have a beach locker. Um, but that's, you know, I realize that, you know, become available, but it does seem like they don't move. And so people hand them over, give them, you know, so families
hold on to them for generations, it seems. And so it is um discouraging the residents who are here all the time to, you know, and want that. Um and we're here, you know, for the residents, but we're not, you know, so we have that opportunity to do this if in fact, um we
saw that as a benefit to um you know, our constituents without a detriment to the financial element of the cost. And then and then the next question is what what cost would be taken away? What cost would no longer be underneath the beach
utility? Right now that cost is on the beach utility for these lockers or they are they is that actually subsidized by the fee for the beach locker. Is that actually paying for the movement and the storage EPW and what does that financial analysis show?
>> We don't have a a full detailed financial analysis of the cost. We clearly track the revenue. I just talked to the CFO before coming into this meeting and roughly we think it's a break even proposition that the revenue covers the cost and not much more
>> right because then there's a question would the cost of these lockers go up or would they come down to the residents something to so we can do this with or without changing resident you know preferences that do a better cost accounting of our
beach lockers But assuming that the beach lockers are not very profitable and we would need to increase the fees, we we would know that better doing an analysis and again we could charge more on the beach or in the current one. If on the other hand we're making a profit
uh that and and have we been making a profit that profit has probably been benefiting the beach utility. Now if we were to move it into the current fund it would therefore benefit the current fund. I asked the CFO if if that would be a problem. Uh we need to cost account
so that we don't charge any more than we than you know we don't collect any more than we cost half the cost. Anyway, the answer was it's okay for us to make a profit. If if in fact the revenue that's coming in is more than the cost. It's okay to charge
what we think is a market price for those lockers. uh it could therefore result in a profit or margin for the current fund. >> You mentioned that there's also the option of allowing residential preference
potentially still allowing if there was additional offers available. You could still offer those to non-residents. Yeah, it it creates a whole new level of
administrative challenges. And then what happens when those people get in the locker? Do they get booted out next year when there are more residents who want the locker? And how do you stage that? All residents apply by the state and after that date then non-residents could. I'm not saying I think it's a
great point >> and it's also a two fee process. So the initial fee is the fee for the structure and then you have the annual rental. So if someone gets I mean it's something we would have to really look at every constituent who utilizes the lockers but
um you know if someone gets a locker one year and then not the next year but they paid into the structure which is a substantial amount of money right and not just the rental. So we have to figure out >> $600 now buy $200 annual >> right so now you know
more lockers went to residents and then there were fewer available for those renters. That would be something. But at the same time, this process would help us to clean house and figure out all of the uh rental locker rentals that are um
not um you know under our system that are you know working the system to >> to either lease their lockers to someone who's moved out because it's very possible with a lot of those. So to that point again for our benefit and for the public's benefit what Councilwoman
Greenbot's referencing is um the fact that there there are our ability to monitor um the legitimacy I I'll call it of of current lease leasers leers um is is
challenging because you Shauna you if you rented a locker as a resident and then you move to Florida, you can keep paying for that locker and you can sublet it and that is illegal under our ordinances. But, you know, there are ways to try to cover that up and we have
ways to try to uncover it. That said, if we were to move to resident only, then it'd be as simple as show your your driver's license and you got to be a primary residence here in So, that's what you're saying. It would clean up some of the gray area where we would not
necessarily right now we don't necessarily know people, >> right? Or someone selling their home and and an under the under the table deal that, you know, I'll continue to pay for this or whatever. >> Yeah. There there's a bucket and we don't know if it's 10% of the renters or
20%. There's a bucket of locker leases that we're fairly confident, you know, there are people who live in Florida that have a locker here. There are other people who live in Neptune City that have a locker here. the guys in Florida probably are not using their locker.
They're probably, you know, subleting. On the other hand, the folks in Neptune City are probably using our beach. So, we don't have a sweeping onesizefits-all answer to this, but coming back to the original
question, um, we have a lot of residents who have been on waiting list for many years and who have been very vocal about the fact that, hey, why don't you give give our residents a break. And I personally have sat here and said we can't. Public trust
option doesn't allow it. And now we're learning that in fact we probably can. Question is do we want to try and if so to what degree? Um Mr. Ken, a question for you that I wanted to ask. If we if we
are not required to provide equal access to all for lockers, um does that then give us the flexibility to define who we could favor? For example, we could favor residents and uh employees of Bradley
Beach. >> Do you look forward to that? I have one more question. Can you remind me when people write a check for their beach locker, what fund does that check go into? >> Uh beach utility right now. >> Oh, it is beach. Okay.
>> So, so we have to if you were to go through the and change this, right? So, people actually bought an asset. They bought a locker. They spent $600. Could have been four years ago, could have been 30 years ago. Do we re you know then it goes to thought do you reimburse it from the beach utility the initial
investment that asset >> it gets there's a lot of nuance and how to go about if you were to change how do you actually >> it's it's technically you're right that we would want to discuss that and what would our clients agree technically they're lease holders they it's part of
their lease contract that they pay more upfront they didn't actually buy the locker and we charge them for that lease in a renewal every year. So if we truncate the lease, the starting point in that discussion would be we don't owe them a refund. Now if they just bought the locker last year, we might have a
policy that says, hey, in fairness, you know, provide a prrated reimbursement over useful life of the locker or something. But to your point, it's a question we have to deal with, but I just want to be clear that these are all deemed to be leases. No one technically
bought a locker. Could we also potentially analyze the number of residents on the waiting list um and uh potentially determine a certain percentage of walkers uh at each beach uh let's say 80% whatever just throwing
ahead number uh for residents and then 20% for whatever other we determine can I mean can we come up with some percentage so that way we're we're I mean but you know mindful accommodate the residents. I don't know how many
people are on the the waiting lists. >> I'm laughing only at the I love your creativity and I'm laughing at the complexity, potential complexity. Half the time we don't even know if they're residents or not. >> And and if even if we could determine it
and we picked a number 80% of residents and 20% of non res, the other residents that don't make the 80% cut would still be upset. Well, that's why I'm saying we would need to analyze what the need is from our residents. How many people are sitting on those waiting lists? >> Well, if you if you pick a number other
than 100%. 80% 70% 99%. you're if you're not picking 100% there's a risk you're inclus but as soon as you say 99% there's one resident out there maybe we say oh okay you did make the cut now not
>> so we're tr we're truly somewhat to some degree disenfranchising many of our current residents in this waiting list that seems to be stagnant and not I I well yes I think that's what these residents would say a couple residents
have said that already that especially those who feel they haven't um they haven't moved or they moved one or two spots over a couple years especially when we do again this is just facts for everybody's benefit but close to 50% of our lockers are I've been told we don't
have the exact counts because again we don't always know you know a resident rents the locker and they pay for it but someone else is using it or um a resident rents the locker but somebody else comes in with a credit card totally different person this is you know here's my payment for
the locker so there it's not a pure science but roughly I'm told half of our lockers are rented currently by non-residents now that said before everybody looks at the word non-resident as being a bad word a lot of these people non-residents may have
lived here in Bradley Beach for 10 20 or 30 years and maybe they moved out last year because they couldn't afford to continue to live here or whatever reason, but they've been rather beach residents for 30 years. Making this up. Now, they move out and then we say, "Oh,
you're no longer a resident. We're taking away your locker." Any of you in this room, your residents, maybe you have lockers already. Maybe you'll get lockers tomorrow. uh 3 years from now you move to another town we take away
your locker it's it's a question we ask we need to ask ourselves is that fair is that what we want to consider doing so is it okay if we open up to the public >> yeah it's not uncommon for this to
happen where you bring just to um residents I see other towns do it and they consider it amenity it's not a necessity so that's why I don't think I think legally you can do it. >> Yeah, I think legally we can do it. That's what Mr. Ken says.
>> Um like do I need to make a motion open to the public or can we just ask? >> Okay. Uh yes, sir. >> Hi Champion 411 and a half. Uh supposing we set it up so that residents when they
um rent a beach welfare can designate which avenue they want it on but non-residents are not allowed to designate an avenue that they want it on. That would really discourage a lot of people. In other
words, non-residents it would be random where the locker wound up. If they knew that to start with, a lot of them wouldn't bother because obviously uh that they may always want to come to one particular beach and their offer is not
I it may not work. But I'm just thinking in some ways that we could discourage residents that would also change the whole dynamic because right now there's people who would like to be say on Second Avenue but they're over on Fifth and and a resident. So if you did change
this, it would reshuffle the debt that you would say that residents would then be able to perhaps better prioritize, right? Get to the street that they want to be on. >> I think that's important. >> Um, another thought is that I'm not sure
you're not sure about the percentages. >> I mean, my bill for instance is sent to Hobok, which is goes back when I was only a summer resident. I had the bills sent to Hobok. How how are we checking? Is anyone going in and looking to see
whether the names are in fact taxpayers or not? >> Well, again, it's not it's a it's not a perfect science, but uh we do have employees here who do track uh you know, the property owner and where the bills are being sent and and or what credit
cards are paying for the bills. So, it could be sent to your place. Your next door neighbor could could be signed up here in Bradley, but uh somebody else is shot up with a credit card paying for it. Begs the question. Why Paul's
neighbor got a locker, but Al Gubzi living across town is paying the bill. Things like that happen. >> So, it's we don't have precise answers to this. >> Could adding that question to the application. uh
they have to sign a statement saying their residence is either in Bradley Beach or not in Bradley Beach. >> Could that help? >> Uh right now it doesn't make a difference because they're allowed to be a non-resident. But if we were to change the rule, yes, we would have a statement
that >> even if you didn't change the rule, >> we don't right now we do not vet when we block or renew. We don't vet at all. >> Only for subleting, but But you can be a non-resident now and it's no problem sending you bill.
>> It doesn't stop you from asking in the application and that way we'd be able to get a better idea of the accuracy of your estim >> I think I Jane was discussing what I was thinking. I think it's important to distinguish tax roles because taxpayers
>> would have to be both. >> Yeah. Well, no. Why would you have to be both? You're a taxpayer. You come down every weekend. It's your property. You should have access. >> That's one of the two, >> right? But it's different than an out of town. >> Are you saying a renter would not?
>> No, I think a renter should if they live in in the town. But a lot of people don't rent their houses. They just use >> it would have to be a property owner or a renter. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.
>> Yes, Nancy. >> And by the way, Linda, it could be both, right? It could be both property owner. >> Yeah, I'm glad you're doing this. Let me start with that. um especially that you're considering doing some sort of
P&L on the um finances of the beach lockers. Um once you get a handle on that, perhaps you can apply to other various departments within the burrow, which I've been asking for for how many years? >> Baby steps. I said once you get there.
Um, and I want to underscore what uh, Linda said because frequently when we have these types of discussions, not just limited to the lockers, there's appears to be a lack of distinguishing
between a property owner, a resident, which in my mind is similar under a different type of ownership to a renter and it just kind of everything's always
referred to as the property owner. Property owner may not be a consider this their primary resident. Um especially in the United States the older population you find southern tax
laws to their benefit. They should not be they should they still need to be considered as a valid locker owner if they have a property here. I understand if they're renting out that property, you would want to say only one locker for that dwelling. I get that.
But I really think you need to whatever your findings do this whole scenario of property owner versus resident versus I guess what you're saying primary owner which is where you're voting. You know, that whole thing all
needs to be clarified. And I don't know how you're going to figure this all out, but when you do, >> and add to it, >> you should be able to move. If you have a locker
and you want to move from, well, do the way I would do it from Second Avenue up to the last beach on the north end. You should be able to do that. Okay. In my opinion, there should be a cut off. There's ways to work this
out. I have it all in my head, in my Excel sheet, in my brain. But I should not have to be held hostage because my locker can't be moved. >> Well, the problem is, cuz this happens to people, right? >> I know it does. That's why I >> But if there's no room at the beach you want to move to, you have to wait to
get. >> There's always room. I can go down to every beach and tell you that a bad locker is better than no locker. And if you want to take it with you, you should be able to. >> Well, we move lockers in groups of three. >> Well, okay. triplets. >> There's triplets fine, but I can also
tell you that not all triplets are filled that are out there on here all season. >> But good good luck with working this out. >> But you're generally in favor of doing something that would advantage the residents. >> I actually don't have an opinion as long
as I have a locker. What I have an opinion on is what is the criteria for having a locker if you are a disabled person. What is the criteria and date for that? And how do you all meaning 701 Main
Street figure out which are those lockers? Because I will tell you that on some they're south of the beach of the steps and then there's the lockers that are north of the steps that are actually closer to the ramps. >> Sure. So those are the issues quite
honestly I'm personally I'm more concerned about but that's not on the table right now I'm I'm I'm going there but good luck you got a couple months >> yes >> McGuire 610
um just a couple of things I love the idea of residents first I love that this topic is coming up and we're actually looking into it finally because for years it's been no it's public it's public it's public it has to be open to
everybody. Um I think it's so important we consider obviously there's so many things to consider if this changes but if it does go to residents only and there's pe residents on the waiting list
obviously I'm assuming they would get first dibs but now once residents know that this opportunity has fully opened up to residents and we have maybe a whole block a whole street lining up to get these and then
they might be on a wait list for another 20 years. I think we end up in the same problem for residents anyway. So, I just think that's something to think about because I have a feeling that could just get
pretty chaotic. Um, did we look into how Avon does it or Asbury how how they've done it? Like do we know how what their little details are? >> Well, when you what we know is they favor the residents, >> right? But like how they what are their
waiting lists like? Um you know, do they pool it every year? Do they you know, >> I guess as a resident who has a beach locker, I have a fear that if we move into this, I'm getting thrown into a pool every season, every year now. And I don't want to lose my locker the way
I've had it. So, I want to make sure that that stays strong because I paid for my locker all those years for it to be built and so on and so forth. So, that could come up if now residents are all wanting to get a chance at lockers.
So, I just wanted to make that point too. Thank you. >> Thank you. I think it's really important that we evaluate the the both the the number of out of town locker rentals uh and also the waiting lists so we can see
if we actually can >> we will make those >> the issue is before we do detailed evaluation and study other burrows what they do and and I presume again the council would decide this but I as one
member of the council would presume we would still honor seniority. We want to take away a locker that's on that and give it to someone else on. But you're absolutely right. We could have new waiting list of residents only. But before we do any research, I think fundamentally we have to decide does it
make sense for this burrow as as the governing body that we would um now that we're allowed to would we want to discriminate in favor of our residents? However we define residents, property
owners, renters, uh primary residence being Bradley Beach. So first and foremost, do we want to differentiate? If we don't, then all we have to worry about is you know defining handicap lockers. Yes, you
do. >> You want to know what the will of interest is. I mean just 124th Avenue. I want to thank you. Thank you for thinking of the residents and really being conscientious
about taking care of the taxpayers and the resvenue. Um I want to thank you for the workshop. I mean this is airing everything out in front of everybody. This is the concept and I want to thank you for having um I am concerned about some of the issues
that you brought up especially the financial Councilman you brought that up. Um if if the locker is $600 and someone paid $400 10 years ago for their locker and they are now no longer
eligible if you go to a new system. Uh I do believe that the 600 collected from the resident should reimburse the 400 for the person who uh had the locker before. I think uh in all financial fairness, that would be the best way to
handle it. Um I mean, we're not in this to make money. We're in this to service the residents and make sure our residents do have priority. And I appreciate you >> on that point. I like that. I like your idea. I think it's creative. My question
would be what if what's the useful life of a locker like that? bought it 10 years ago. We've replaced the locker twice since. Should we still ask? >> Well, this happens with the benches all the time. >> So, it's it's I think it's a little
different in this situation because you're going to be collecting the new funds from the new person. Um, my real problem with this, as many things, uh, is that fundamentally the foundational process was wrong in the beginning. the town should have just paid for the
lockers and built them. But someone came up with this idea. We're going to charge people and now we are where we are now. But um I would be offended if I didn't receive my money back and so I'm just assuming another person.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other comments? >> Yeah. Um let's plug this here. I just want to take everybody back. This is ancient history. Probably folks don't know this, but we did a strategic plan for the town. And when we did that, we had to
characterize the town. What is Gravity Beach all about? And I don't have it in front of me, but there's all sorts of wonderful adjectives like open and inclusive and we're diverse and we're all these different things. And I think now we're talking about doing something that, okay, our neighboring town, Avon,
it's a different town. This is a town that got rid of they had plenty of diagonal parking spaces on the really wide streets and they got rid of that and they made them all parallel. So there's about a third of the amount of public parking that there used to be in that town. What is that town? They're
saying stay away from our town, don't come here. Exclusivity, residents only, you know, that kind of stuff. And I just feel like that's not our town. So I think just think this is one of the things that distinguishes our town. Um that attitude that open inclusiveness.
Uh I mean I waited seven years for a locker. I don't know what the wait list is now. I love that you figured out how many people live here, how many people don't live here. I think the other piece of information you said as well. What is the average person waiting now? Do we
know because >> you know we have a problem. We can't like add more lockers. We already determined that there's like a space storage problem. So um >> it even varies to beach. >> Yeah. Like the weight periods are different. Uh one beach might have you know, five weight list of five people
has still be. It's it's crazy. Also, if you recall, the wait list was closed. It just reopened this past January. So, for several years, there was no weight list. So, I don't know what >> the weight list they weren't adding to it. >> No, that was an old weight list, right?
The point was you couldn't get on to the weight list. So, now was there a surge of people coming onto the weight list? Was there a big uptick or not? That's that's indicated as well. >> See if we can put a bunch of new lockers in the in the extension the bulkhead
extension. Let's just fill that with lockers. So, >> is there anyone on Zoom? I don't see any questions. >> Okay. Thank you all for indulging us. Um I we all think I think this was an important conversation to have in the
public eye. Uh we allowed it I personally allowed it to go on a little longer than we might normally prefer. just to make sure we heard everyone and give us all a chance to absorb this. I will come back in a subsequent meeting to discuss this further. Certainly, if we're going to consider any changes,
we'd have to do it virtually immediately in the next month or two. Uh seasonal badges come on sale in December. Uh you know, beach lockers are assigned in April, whatever time frame. So, uh so we'll have to move quickly if we choose to move at all.
>> Can we do any analysis between now and the next time we discuss this? So we're better educated about it >> within reason. We can it's flawed. The data we have is we can analyze flawed data, you know, in that we don't always know who are residents and not. I can we
can certainly tell you I can't say for sure it's 45% or 40% or 50% are out of town. But it's a big number. >> It's a big number. And the total lockers 450 um roughly 200 of those are out of town.
I mean you know we've got data like that but to tell you exactly how many would get ruled out I don't know how many are going to show up with the driver's license with their primary residents being ra there are people who may go change their residence to the primary residence.
Well, I mean, we're still allowing I'm sorry to extend this, but we're still allowing, you know, someone to have a primary residence elsewhere and a secondary resident or whatever in Bradley Beach. So, they don't necessarily have to have a driver's license >> to be >> No, that'd be one of the two criteria
for driver. No, no. A taxpayer is what we're talking about. Somebody on the tax roles. They don't necessarily >> primary res >> primary I don't think >> a renter would be a primary residence in a re
>> second home or someone on the tax >> and they may not have a primary residence but they're on the tax one or the other >> would qualify. That's why uh Nancy you made a comment. Well, I understand how it'd be one house. I didn't say at the time, but I'll say it now just to
get everybody clear. One house could have two sets of families or three or four sets of families. If one house is owned by you, you're entitled to get a lot. If you're renting, if it's multif family and you're renting three units on
your property, those three renters all with primary residences all each one will be entitled to the lottery is what I think the direction. So >> that's four residences >> for one property for resour
My only point is it's not one locker per property >> per whatever we want to call it. I'm calling it property. A property owner would have the ability to get a locker if that property owner is renting multiple residences within the property.
Each of those residents, as long as they're primary residents, primary address is Bradley Beach, they each would be another, >> right? That's the logic. >> But I think also important for us to take a look at obviously not spend too much time if we're not sure we're going
to go in that direction, but to also take a look at, as Paul mentioned, surge of people who went on that waiting list. How many residents do we are sitting on that waiting list and how long have they been on it? That's information. >> We know how long waiting list is. We don't know. This this keeps coming up.
We don't know how many residents. People signed up on a waiting list years ago. They two two three years ago they maybe they're waiting. Maybe they were residents then and they're not now. Maybe they uh are residents now. They weren't then.
We don't know. We can look at the data, but it's only going to tell us what they were when they signed up. >> But we can send letters out to all of the people. >> Sure. >> Right. I mean, there are things that we can do to find out. >> You're right. You're right. The question is going to be in my mind, we need to decide quickly. Do we want to advantage
our residents? If we don't want to, all the other analysis is kind of academic. But if we want to make a change to to provide an advantage to our residents, then I asked the question, could we identify any other group? For example, we have a handful of employees I know
who I think as as a as a government. But John, to your point, maybe we want to just be fair and equal to all. And if we're not going to be fair and equal to all, are there gradations? Should we at least provide a privilege to the people who serve our residents? So, it's a it's
just a question we need to address. If you're not going to be fair and equals at all, you need to check >> if we're going to favor our residents. Are there any other groups we want to favor, >> right? >> Okay, we need to move on. Trying to get out of here before midnight and we're
going to get into another interesting topic, but again, a very important one, and that is um the topic of special parking. And right now we have a resolution. Anyone who's looking at e code, it's chapter 9, section 3-9.
>> You can't get it on the internet. >> You can't hear me? >> I can't get it now on the internet. Okay. I had question. Well, we'll describe it. We'll describe it to everyone. >> Linda, did you go on the Wi-Fi? >> I think I did, but you're It closes. You
can't open it up again. Well, I'll describe it for everybody. The point is we have a resolution. I'm sorry. We have an ordinance now uh chapter 9 uh looking for it's it's
three it's it's 9-3.9 and basically it provides special permanent parking and and many of you have seen this. These are the curves in in private neighborhoods that are
painted yellow because there's a handicapped individual living at that residence and they provide the burrow with certain documentation relative to their disability uh a placard and a doctor's note. Uh and there are certain criteria in our existing ordinance that
uh that enables people to get their curb in front of their house painted yellow and then they get a special detail. It's not a universal handicap spot. It is a spot for that resident only. They get a special Bradley Beach decal and if they
meet the other eligibility criteria, they alone can park in that spot. So, it it it creates challenges for the burrow. I think it creates challenges for some of our residents. I want to I'll tee this up for everybody. Um, but I I want
us once again to have a discussion about the pros and cons of the current ordinance and at least whether or not we should consider some changes. Um, a couple of the concerns I have raised by residents um tied to the fact that a
number close to there's 40 some odd spots in in the 40. We don't know exactly again uh total we have 50 some are listed 52 but a lot of them are duplicates roughly 45 that's as good a number as any of those 45 roughly half
are not full-time residents they are Bradley Beach is not their primary residence they are a property owner they pay Bradley Beach taxes the concern raised by other residents is we paint this the curb in front of that house and
for three months of the year when that family is here and that handicapped individual is here um they can park in that spot. But for eight or nine months of the year when they've gone back to their primary residence, no one else can park on that on that block or where that
space is. So, so it's raised questions. Uh there are scenarios where our ordinance says uh if you have a driveway uh you you should not be able to have a privatized parking space on the street. However, there are
scenarios where people have made agreements with uh tenants that live in their back apartments that those tenants can park in their driveway which then blocks the access for that handicapped individual. So then they request a spot on the street. So there are different
variations on the theme that that have created at this point in time close to 45 different parking spaces in the burrow. um that are uh you know that are especially in the summer raising concerns for a lot of our residents
about the fact that um especially when they're not being used um about is our policy too liberal and should we at least look at uh creating greater restrictions or greater eligibility restrictions as to you know how these spots would um would
be used. So, um, you guys have any general comments because I can walk through some of the specific changes that I I will say this. I I put forward just as a draft for us to to talk about proposed changes. Some of them are just
taking away ambiguities. our um our attorney has documented this in a in a draft of ordinance uh edits, but largely we were thinking that or I was thinking that we might want to consider whether
or not we would continue to provide a handicap space as we have today permit parking limited specifically to that family, not all handicap, but they would have to be back to that earlier discussion. Uh I was thinking a uh
Bradley Beach have to be their primary residence. If they are not a primary resident in Bradley, I don't think it makes sense to uh to have a cur painted for 12 months when you're living here for 3 months. So that was issue number one. Um issue
number two is we have a situation in town and on I won't go street by street but um where just by coincidence we have three of these uh permit special permits in a row. So and all three happen to be
as my understanding uh not primary residents of Bradley. So, it's blocking off, you know, if these are 50 foot wide properties, it's blocking off roughly 150 foot stretch of curve all year long. >> I I think let's say these were all
primary residents in Bradley Beach. I still think living here full-time, I question and I wonder if we should consider some sort of limitation to have no more than one or two of these spots dedicated um on any given block. So if
you have three or four houses, you know, perhaps we could consider that third person comes in. If we limit it to two or that second person if we limit it to one, we could say, look, this block is taken, but one block away. If that's still a convenience, you know, we can we
can place it there. Conceptually, it's just to anticipate that if you ever got some unusual string of of consecutive houses, we would limit how much of a curve we block off. And and the other limitation that I was thinking we should
propose, right now we have 45 of these. My understanding is if we move to primary residents that might cut the number in half, but I still think we might want to consider a global cap that if we're going to reddraft any elements of this ordinance, we might want to say in no event we have more than it's
almost like beach lockers. We have 400 beach lockers. Anyone else goes on a waiting list? In this case, we have no more than the number I proposed was 40 spaces across the burrow. and and in the event that we need 41
that person goes on. Uh anyway, this is again to generate discussion questions you guys may have give the audience a chance to respond to, you know, whatever we say. >> I have some questions. Um one of the things you just and these are largely
good changes, so I really appreciate this. Uh the thing on the one per block, yeah, it seems random. I mean, how how are you going to determine if a handicapped person happens to move in, you know, and like blocks, I don't know, 600 feet long, somebody's on the other side of the street, other end of the block, like they're not competing for
the same parking spaces. And I mean, just I don't think this was said, but this is also somebody in this situation, if they happen to live in like the beach block, especially in the summer, it would be impossible for them to get a spot near their house and they're handicapped and they have no driveway. I mean, this is to do something for the
residents, which I completely support. Um, But I don't know how you limit it to one per block because someone's going to say, "I meet this criteria. I meet this criteria. Why can't I get this space?" And I think that puts us in a bad situation. The other thing is at the end of the fee, this came up a very long
time ago, the fee that it was like that was nowhere near what it cost to send somebody out to make sure that it's a property with no driveway and no curb cut and painted curb and put up the sign. I mean, we had this was a discussion a very long time ago. It was
nowhere $50, nowhere near cover it. So, >> well, I mean, we could certainly come up with a different number. I'm sure police hours probably $50 just for >> make too.
>> Yeah, make sign. >> So, okay. So, we'll come up with a number. I mean unless we want to like we're just making it cheap on purpose but if we're our goal is to like cover the cost. >> Yeah. So so you know my first thought when I read this you inform us you're
considering addressing these changes. Number one is you know I think you know ADA compliance um ADA um compatibility and access for people is critical and I think number one is that's the priority and and I agree with what John just said
uh limiting it to for a block when all of a sudden it could be, you know, 250 ft apart and then you say, "Well, no, we're not, you know, we can't because they're on that same block." Um, and it's across the street from each other. So, I think that um I'm a full-time
resident, I would I would agree, too. But I would I I think that limiting it just because it's local to draw and there happens to be, you know, three handicapped individuals live on that block, only one or two of them can get a spot. I I just don't know how we do
that, especially if they don't have driveways. And and so I think I think the issue with driveways is yes, if you have a driveway, there is no rationale um to to provide a spot. Um and so I think we I would agree with your concept
of, you know, precluding those properties with uh with driveways that they may not be eligible. Um but I think that we have to make sure that we're serving um the hand community and providing
that facility for them when they don't have riders especially and not limit the number just because they happen to be looking to draw three houses in a row. I I think we need to accommodate that. >> What about the global cap? the global cap. I you know I I I think that if we
are um annually shocking to see what these are right so right now in the draft ordinance it doesn't address as annual the annualization of it. It says every January you apply but it doesn't say anything about reapplying on an
annual basis because somebody may have a temporary spot for one year and all of a sudden they no longer qualify after a year. It says that all permits expire after. >> Well, we're he's saying um as far as the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, they have to now you have to have that
the placard displayed. >> So sometimes you have knee surgery and you have it and then you heal and you don't have that permission from New Jersey anymore. So your your license plate has to have that, >> right? You have to have that.
>> But this renew every year. Yes, I missed that. >> So, so that red. >> Yes. >> And and that wasn't on previous they didn't have to put this, you know, the
the handicap disability placard on the car. Now they have to do that. >> We're an aging community and I think especially on the north end where you have less driveways, I think it becomes more of an issue and to limit that I think you know would just be
disadvantageous and not knowable. So I I I think that if there is a a person who is handicapped, we need to provide that combination. >> So does it put us then in a difficult situation if we put the global cap on? >> Yeah, that's why that's why I think
>> I don't think we're going to have to. I don't think there's that many people that require this. >> If we make other changes, the global cap is less critical. >> Yeah. Because I find that a lot of people, like you said, half of these people don't live here all year. And I wish my father was still alive because
he would it would drive him crazy to see all these parking spots open with no one in them for most of the year. These people were here three or four months and for eight months of the year he looked at these empty spots >> as he wrote his bike.
>> Yes, he was very spry but yeah he was 80 something years old and he's like these people you know other people could be using these spots. So, I think that's great that you're doing it for people that have to live here year round and then they have to display the New Jersey Motor Vehicle
Commission issued disability placard >> that has a time stamp on it, right? The date, I think, and then or they have a license plate. So, that this is strictly for people that really need it >> and and a doctor within 90 days of the >> Yes. Yes. It's not for people that just
had surgery. It's not for them. Um, I think what one thing that might really help inform this discussion, I hate to say, but it would be useful for a lot of reasons, is if we had an idea of how many properties in town don't have drivers because that would help us inform, you know, then a certain only
certain percentage of people are generally disabled. Maybe skew a little older. So, we be generous with that. But knowing that number, I think, would help us zero in if we're going to do it. >> If we were going to do >> Yeah. >> What I'm hearing is maybe that's
That's a provision we consider a way to say. >> Yeah. But I still think like just so many different areas that we actually >> still Yeah. match up with how many potential. >> Yeah. I just think you know strength
number four that's one that has >> uh Mr. Canon. Um it looks like one of these is duplicated the draft you provided that item number two the applicants probably must have no job
per cut blah blah blah and item number five it basically says the same thing and I think number one of those should have been um a restrict a restriction on uh county or state roads. >> Did you I didn't see that in
>> No, that's my that's my mistake. I about the two and five is a little different in that one's a restriction. I mean, you can combine them. >> Well, five was the one that said 90 days um within the application.
>> So, >> that's still in there. >> I do. >> So, a lot of what you understand is that the original ordinance really just He doesn't say about the >> So, first things first, Greg, what would
what was your thinking about combining two and five? >> I'm sorry. >> Two and five look to be almost identical, but you were saying they're subtly different.
Well, one requires that they must pro they must prove it presumably a survey. >> It puts the onus on the owner. The second number five puts the onus on the property owner to demonstrate and prove that they don't have that they don't have >> as
it takes the owners off. >> So if you I mean we can combine two and five. Okay. Good. So, so Greg, maybe we leave five, but maybe two. We can use that placeholder to be the uh
drive municipal vote. >> Yeah. Uh yeah, I was going to do the opposite. I was going to pull that up. >> I was going to pull that up to two and then I can make five. um demonstrate that the proposed
>> we are going to open this up to the public at another day. Just want to get our number. >> Yes. >> I know Council Denov had a question about the 98 thing that was moved up to
three. >> A lot of these are still in there. Like one thing I want to point out to you is that the ordinance was just one section of a relatively random list of requirements and that was reorganized into an eligibility section to explain
like who's eligible for it and then an administrative requirements section that basically tells you what you have to do. Um so a lot of the ones that were in the the top and they're they're farther below. There's even more >> the fees being lowered for for this
So, so Greg also in administrative requirements one it says that each year special applications will be made available but it doesn't say that every every year you have administratively it doesn't say that >> in January each year
>> doesn't say that you have to reapply. >> You have to renew it. >> Well, it says they expire at December December. I guess >> you don't have to but your old one expires at December 31 because it expires.
>> Greg, what's your thought about the can you make that substitution for the municipal roads? >> Yeah, I just moved five up into two. Two reads, "The applicant's property must have no driveway, curve cut, garage, or other form of Wall Street parking access. The applicant must demonstrate that the property has no driveway, curve cut, or other form of Wall Street
parking access." And then five says, "The applicant must demonstrate that the proposed special parking space is located on municipal roadway." >> We don't really have the authority to grant this on county or state. So really, it's really a statement of our authority.
>> Okay. So, but it lets people know So folks, just I'm going to open up to the public in a second, but just to recap one more, ignore what I said earlier about limits to number on a given block or a global cap. It sounds like the council's not interested in
going quite that far with our limitations, but it sounds like we do want to consider um requiring this to be primary residence, requiring that there be a driveway, and we cannot uh allow uh these to be put on uh anything other
than municipal roadways. So, county and state roads, we can't allow them that. Again, we can check to see where they are today, but county would be Brinley, Lake Terrace, and Ocean A. Uh state obviously is Main Street and uh you know, we have to we can't do that
anyway. So, we need to add that requirement. Um we'll change the fee as John Chief, you might want to consider shared Chief, we used to have a No, we didn't have a shared driveway, I guess. But I But you're right. We have some.
>> It's on our inspection sheet. Then we go out to the property. There is a check of is there a sh is there a driveway? Is it a shared driveway? >> If it's a shared driveway, what what's the criteria you use to determine
>> is is it worth is it eligible? >> I mean, we discuss it a lot of times. If they have it, if they have a spot, neither one of them use the driveway. And that person can never, if they get the spot, can never park in that driveway. We've had that problem. We've
taken the spot away if we saw them in that show that need that they didn't need it. >> If it's a shared driveway that leads to two separate garages, >> well, a lot of times it's a shared driveway and it doesn't extend past, you
know, the front of the house. What's the functionality of the share with you? >> So I mean it's pretty limited. >> There's still a spot for a handicap. >> Yes. But you have two residents sharing that same problem. >> So coordination. >> So there's an expectation no one neither
one resident can park there. >> Right. >> Yeah. Just something to consider. >> We we had language. Do we have language that you remember >> about shared driveways? >> Yeah.
It's only on the inspection. >> Okay. So, because we had very specific language that said if there was a curve cut >> Thank you. >> Whatever we're passing >> longer than expect we have the applicants property must
basically have no driveway curb cut. But if there is a shared driveway there could be an exception. What's the decision by the police? I mean, how do we resolve that? >> I mean, generally, it's I'll talk to both residents. And I mean, listen,
neither one of them are using it. Um, and that person if they're granted that spot are told, you will not use that driveway. If you're sitting in that driveway, you'll get a warning. After that, it's going to be removed. So, >> so, so great.
>> I don't think we need to change anything. It says it the property must have no driveway curve cut of course off street parking access. >> You're basically requiring approve. So you're on the spot. >> No off street park. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So we'd be covered
>> if it's a shared drive. It's got a curve cut. It's only got half. >> It's not available to them >> all the time. So that's just the driveway. >> I'm I'm just questioning the language that we used, which is saying no driveway, no curb cut.
You're saying you could have a shared driveway, which would have a curb cut >> currently. >> You currently share driveway. I think there is maybe a space or two that there's a shared driveway and there's one of the residents has a handicap. >> Rick, can I ask a question? >> Yeah, please. Let's just I give you a
hypothetical. Someone's got a pod in their driveway for a year because they're redoing something in their backyard. Now they have no off streetet parking access and they want to apply this thing for for a year or the rest of the year. I mean I mean isn't that why we send the inspecting team out?
I mean I just my point is I'm not sure you can write everything in this ordinance going to going to going to encompass every single hypothetical situation. Um, so maybe you just cut it down to no form of off- streetet parking access and forget about whether they have a driveway, curb cut, or garage. Then you
got people literally going out to look to see if they can park off the street because really the the object is off street, right? >> So maybe you just forget about driveway, curb cut, garage, or other form. You just say the the applicant's property must have no off- streetet parking
access. That could be for a new myriad of different reasons. either it doesn't exist whatsoever or there's a temporary circumstance that requires them to, you know, have a special parking permit for the year. Like you're only giving them for a year. It's not in perpetuity. So I
>> So you're suggesting we craft that language to >> my point is if you're backing it with an actual physical inspection, right? That usually we craft these things so that the wording is appropriate when we have to give someone a ticket or something like that happens. But this is kind of the opposite. We're granting them a privilege and you're having someone
inspect the property. So, I'm not sure the language has to encompass every single scenario. It just doesn't have to have no if that property has no off streetet parking access as determined by the police. Whether that's because there's a public project going on or something and you maybe you know I can
think of a million different scenarios where someone can't get in their driveway might want a temporary permit. >> What's the language you would recommend this? >> I would just say just cut it down. The applicant's property must have no off streetet parking access. Okay. >> And then that doesn't focus on what
anyone's particular property is. It it focuses on what the police go out and see that oh, you know, I mean, I don't know, you have a family member who's away in the military and there's stuff in a pod in the driveway and you have to keep it there. They have a permit for that and now they can't park. I mean, I can think of a million different scenarios that we wouldn't be able to
crack language. But if you have someone going to look at it and there's no off street parking access >> I kind of like the way it is currently that the driveway is an eliminator right but if there's
some extraordinary circumstance you could appeal that provide that circumstance and it'll be reviewed. That's kind of what would would happen now with shared driveway. >> So maybe >> according to the ordinance is a no get it.
>> So maybe just say that a shared an exception may apply to a shared driveway >> or any exception. Greg would say maybe it's a >> change to off the language that Greg
suggest is suggesting seems to work for me. there's there's no off street parking opportunity. But I just Greg the examples you're giving I'm not envisioning this for some kind of temporary situation like this is we got a resident they're disabled. They're not getting any better. They're going to
live here for the rest of their lives. They get the spot so that in the summer madness they can actually have a spot in front of their house. It's not for people that have some kind of temporary situation. There's a construction dumpster or like it's not for that. That said, so I don't like the examples
you're giving, Greg, but I do like the language that I think covers it and it all covers the shared >> you're raising a good point. >> I believe there are scenarios where someone has major surgery, they get a placard that says they're disabled. >> And they they had their curve painted.
>> No, it's not done. >> So the temporary one is through the state for six months. You can extend it for another six months and that's it. We've never uh issued a permanent spot in town painted the curb for someone that just had a surgery and they have a
six month temporary. >> Okay. So, um let's open it up to the public champion 41. Um I have a case where I have a shared driveway. Um and I have actually
part of my deed um with my neighbor. We we basically stipulate that we um can't park in our driveway or if we do it's temporary and we have to move to allow access. So that causes some problems in
the law. We have off streetet parking um but it's it's it's under conditions. Also, we have off- streetet parking, but in such a way that if there was somebody who was truly handicapped, for instance, wheelchair path, they would not be able
to access the car on that in that off street parking. One, because the space between our houses is too narrow. The driveway is too narrow. There's no way to open a door when you're in that space. If you're parked in front of the house in the driveway space before you
reach the house, you're on such an angle that it would be almost impossible to get a wheelchair into the into the resident out into the car. So there there a lot of properties like that similar to which is going to cause a problem. So there really has to be some
sort of a way to appeal um the stipulations in your law >> maybe or maybe we could provide for police discretion to >> that's kind of what's going on now is that it says in there the driveway
doesn't make you eligible. But you know when we do the inspection like I said it'll say is there a driveway? Yes. Is it shared? Yes. off street parking available, yes or no? You know, um so I I kind of like the way it is now with
the discretion where the driveway will be an eliminator, but there will be those occasions where there's a shared driveway like he's speaking about. And in a case like that, that's generally what you find that they they both don't use the driveway unless they're unloading something quickly. That's an
extraordinary circumstance. >> It may not be a shared driveway. Maybe the the driveway is solely on your property but >> so narrow that you >> we run into that a lot where he's speaking about where it's not even a handicap person. It wouldn't make it
any easier for them. It's too narrow and small. >> I I also have a garage but that building 1902 it hasn't been used as a garage in probably 80 years. And basically I mean there's no way that I could use it as a
garage. It's a very good point. We'll have to thank you >> once. >> Hello Julia 605 North Avenue. I'm so glad and appreciate that um we are really revisiting um this uh the
parking, the special parking and uh Captain Arnold, I'm so glad that you're involved with this too because I mean if we're all being honest, we know how much um this special parking has been abused in the town. Um the question I have for you is like there are some spots that
I'm well aware. Um what are the dimensions for a special spot because they're all different kind of lens. >> We've typically 20 to between 20 and 23 feet long. >> Okay, good. Because I I know there are
some that are really small, some that are really long and everything. And um also um you know, we want to make sure that people who really need these really get these spots because we all could be in this situation at one time. Um but a question I have and I'll never forget I
I saw this on Facebook once and somebody uh knew was purchasing a house with no off streetet parking and it was on Facebook and I I I wish I had the post and they said, "Oh, don't worry about it. You could just go to the town and you can get a parking spot." So that's
privatizing. If you know there has to also be personal responsibility when you're making a real estate decision. Um because this has to be there for, you know, especially residents. You know, it's things will happen and we all might need these. But if you're making a real
estate decision based on the fact that you know that this is not available and then thinking well I'm just going to go to town and get that that's also not fair to residents because then that is privatizing the road and and and also manipulating the system. So I do think
we we definitely have to be careful with that. And I would also um recommend I know you said um the fact is that temporarily if someone has surgery or something like that you know people have knee surgeries or hip replacements or everything normally you know three to four months you're you know up and about
and running. Those are the things they shouldn't be having a spot for a year and and and those are things that we should really address because in Brley Beach we can't make something that is just not there and that's space and we
have to be fair to one another and also people have to realize also I like what Mr. And Shenkin said if you have a shared driveway that just might not work. There's narrowiness and everything. So there will definitely be special circumstances that definitely have to be reviewed. And I feel
confident that we have Captain Arnold here today. Prior to that, I saw firsthand of the abuse and the scamming going on with these um special spots. And I really do hope, you know, I know people are going to get upset about this, but they're supposed to be here
for a reason and for people who really need them. So, I I really think that this is something that we have to stay on the pulse on every month. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I hope I never made one, but thank you for addressing all this. Um, I was
wondering about accessibility of Linda Duffy, Linda Mlanka, excuse me, 312 Brimley Avenue. Um, the vans, the handicap vans do require 11 ft width to get in and out for a handicapped person.
But on the other hand, and I'm sure chief would say, um, all right, you can't you have to have a space because there's a curb here, you know, cider block curves or whatever, and you can't get a wheelchair in between the car and the curb to get somebody in and out of a wheelchair. So that you you evaluate
that also. >> Uh, we would, we haven't had that situation. >> I was driving around town because I got to read this earlier and a lot of people have driveways that you can't even fit half a car into. So that taking that out by Greg is a good thing. But the um the
van accessibility is an issue. I hope no one in town has one. I haven't really seen one. I've seen it here at the beach, but that that's a problem because also in the ADA regulations, it says you cannot have a space that has a parking
space behind you. You need to not needs to be free and clear so the person can walk around get in the car to drive the handicapped person or for that person to be able to pick up a wheelchair and put it in the back of the car to have two cars but it up against you can't I went
through this with my parents so you need to have the space behind the car >> what's really good point you're raising and and I had that thought this and Mr. can maybe you can give us guidance is everything you're saying is in the context of ADA compliance these are
technically not ADA >> I know so >> was it just a a recommendation >> no I'm thinking out loud like how do we for example I can't imagine we could create 11 foot width >> no I know that's what I'm thinking the driveways there are a lot of driveways
in town that are narrow between two houses that are shared >> yes So, >> and they don't have a big backyard either. >> So, I guess what I'm going to question is to keep it simple, trying to follow Mr. Can's guidance. If we keep our
wording, whether it's no off street or it's or it's the chief says you've got to have a you know, you cannot have a driveway, but can we just create language under what you've Greg, you've now made this uh yeah, the new section
two um A2 Can we can we put some wording in that the applicant must demonstrate they have this no driveway or curve by blah blah blah and then we say unless something like unless
>> uh approved by by the police department >> I think be >> yeah for sure >> because chief you kind of do that >> I do I'll send the the denial letter >> but you have to make that subjective decision >> yes
>> well because people have burns on either side of the driveway. You can't get a wheelchair in there. >> You'll either fall out of the wheelchair if you're wheeling that person. You'll fall out >> and you know it's dangerous and you can't always pull the car into the street to put somebody in a wheelchair. Now that I know I can't get a spot in
front of my house, do I have to sweat? >> So that's my recommendation. It's those vans that they require a huge amount of space >> and that's for a person that can handle it themselves. We're trying to accommodate this. This
is a courtesy. >> No one there's no legal requirement to offer these spaces to anyone. But to the extent we're trying to >> I know but you have them at the beach. So that would be a little discrimination. Don't you think >> we're taking >> you have handicap spaces at the beach?
>> Oh yeah. >> That's the spaces. >> Yeah, but that's that's required. >> I know. But it should be required for everybody and that would be fair. I know you're >> nine residential neighborhoods for individual. Yeah, let's count. >> Yeah, it's okay. It's so many things. >> I know. It's okay. But thank you for
listening to me. >> Okay. Thanks. Hold on. Uh yes, sir. >> John, 412th Avenue, res 38 years. >> Okay. You've only seen me here three times. This is the third time. >> I'm here because of this. I add it up to
here. pointed out some of the inconsistencies to be nice on on the Cape Avenue. Couple those three and I believe it's four actually, not three, not together. There's a little space and then there's
another couple that with a stop sign yellow with a fire hydrant yellow three space. It's a scam. The one on the corner is a rental. I took pictures and I I brought this up
before Memorial Day and it was already said I said we'll deal with it at the end of the year. You said it comes up here. But look, Bradley's a place where everybody comes. Okay, we got to make a space for people to come. Okay, when I
bought my house, my house don't have a truck. Doesn't matter what happens to me in my life, my house don't have a drive. If we had the property and the availability or space, I'd say go for it. Give those people what they need. We
don't have it. I pay taxes. I pay the same taxes that a person that's handicapped. You're discriminating against me. I come home on Memorial Day weekend. Okay? 10:00 at night, I drive down the street and and those three
houses, four houses are empty. I park in there and Chief's Arnold's guys will come and give me a ticket as they should. It's not fair. Okay. It's not fair. It's a scam. We've gone through this a few times. I've had a couple people come up
because I bring it up. Oh, yeah. My my grandmother, you know, that was her space. She died a few years ago, but we still keep it because we got space in front of the house. Okay. We know what's going on. We don't have to keep going through all this. You know, you're making more work for yourself. I'm
sitting here listening to beach boxes. That's kind of crazy. This is even worse. This is self-inflicted. Our guys should be doing police work. Honestly, the chief should this guys do a great job. By the way, you guys do a great job. Again, I love my town. I love
everything about it. But this just pushed me to the edge. You know, that yellow paint, the guy with the yellow paint who paints curbs here. Really, you need a supervisor to walk around and start looking at all this yellow paint. Is it really needed? I came here with
Gary Angler was here because they painted the curbs from the corner 25 ft in. I don't know if anyone recalls that. That's the last time you saw me here. And then they thought about it and said, "Hey, that really wasn't a good idea." And they backed up. Never heard from me again.
Issue action. Okay, we need action on this. It's a nice thing to do. I've been, you know, I I spoke with the mayor and I said, "Hey, I I come to you with a solution. Memorial Day to Labor Day. I'm sorry. We
can't give that to you. We can't. Bradley Beach can't afford it." Okay. I counted today approximately 90 spaces from Ocean Avenue to Main Street on the Cave on the north side of the cave are available. 90. We just kicked it around a number. I
think when we talked, we were talking like 70 of those spaces originally and now you say it's down like 45 or whatever. But even that, think about that. You can't park from here half, you know, halfway down the Cave Avenue to
the beach. There's no parking. But yet, we want everyone to come to our town. We're worried about people using the beach box. You got a all these spots that for people and again a lot of these people don't even
live here and for you know the chief to sit here and go and and and there's no way he's going to sit there and go like this and go is he really handicap I have a son-in-law who's a doctor. If I need a if I need a handicap but my back I got
one. We all know a doctor's way. I used to work for the port authority. Believe me, I've seen a million doctors most of their boats, okay? And they're just trying to help you out, but we got to take it seriously. And you're banging yourself, you know, you're banging your head
against the wall trying to make this little thing that what if this guy's got this kind of driveway or this guy. At the end of the day, we can't afford to do it. It's nice. We're doing a nice thing. It's a great gesture. Nobody wants to be that person. I don't want to
be that person. But you know what? This one's an easy one. I'm dealing with Airbnbs that come in with five and six cars next door to me. I'm dealing with neighbors that got driveways that park their cars out in the street all summer just because they don't want no one cramping their driveway. Okay, that's
the reality for people who live on I'll call the north side. People on the south side with the big houses and the big driveways, they probably don't deal with any of that stuff. But this is what we do. You come home at night and you can't find parking.
It's that simple. We don't have the space to give up. It's not that you're being a bad person, but I you need to represent the whole town. Every taxpaying person in this town deserves equal treatment. If there's no ADA
requirement, you said we shouldn't be doing it. Save yourself the paper. Save this gentleman. The heartache having send his guys out measuring driveways. Is this guy, is he not? or reading documents. Is this guy is this guy stub
toe or broken back? Well, you know, he's not a doctor. He's a police officer. You should not be doing this. Make it easy on yourself. And again, I feel sorry for anyone who who's sick. I'm not trying to be harmless, but John,
Councilman Weber, you made an excellent point. Bradley be for everybody. It always has. >> Well, don't you think like we're tightening it up. I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't think we got to get rid of it completely, >> but we're tightening it up. We're getting rid of all the abuses with these
changes. The path we're on, >> right? And in fairness, John, and and I agree and and the mayor has done a great job. He's been in contact with me, and that's why I have not bothered him since we first chief. We talked early on, but I sit and listen.
And again, if these people want to do this, they're going to do it. Again, I have personal knowledge of people who are are scamming and and it's terrible for those people who really need it. But that's what's happened.
Okay? That's what's happened. And you're not representing me if you're going to sit and give out these spaces to other people. Are they going to pay extra tax money for it? I bought a house with no space. What? No one's gonna come revisit, you know,
six months for a hurt arm or whatever it is that you got. No one's going to follow up on that. We don't have people in this cabin follow the beach boxes. >> It's not a knock, but it's true. >> Let's be honest with everybody in here. That's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And the chief's not
going to go through that. He shouldn't. He shouldn't. >> So, >> don't bring it on yourself. >> We should probably move on, Mr. Sis, just to give other suggestions. >> Thank you very much again. You guys do a great job, man. appreciate your >> Can I ask a question? Um how do we have the chronic annual um continuation if if
they expire? >> Yes. >> So there are people who are renewing them legitimately or >> so they come back they'll have their handicapped record from the state. They get a doctor's note within the 90 days. Uh the property is reviewed again and
it's renewed. >> So the these are still legitimately district 216 Brinley. Um, you know, it's very interesting listening, you know, to your points here and, you know, one of the problems I think is really, really bad
in this town. And I hope that these last two workshops tonight is there's no process. And there may be a process, but it's just like Now Shan, you decided well do you renew or is it auto renew? Does it go here? Is it a car? Do they live here?
We do awful job really understanding of everything it goes through. Like the fact that we couldn't answer how many of these beach lockers were non-residents. That should be a number you know, right? Somebody gets a beach locker. Who is it?
What's your name? Where's your address? Even if it's out of town, but we should know what that is. So why don't we keep track of these things? We know but we know the data is flawed. So I can give you another >> but this is my point but why do we keep
accepting flawed data? >> Well that example because we >> but it's my point. >> No it's just it's just not a in fairness. >> Okay. In fairness, we get an application and and somebody's put on a beach locker
waiting list and they say, "I live in Ocean Grove." And that's okay right now. >> No, but that is my that's exactly my But right now it's okay. But next time you sign up for lockers, have them show a license, an address, things, and you've got it. >> There was no need for that previously.
Now there may be. >> Hopefully. Well, there obviously is because we're doing it tonight. >> No. Well, there's a need if we move forward with discriminating in favor of residents. >> This has nothing to do with discriminating talking about the process. >> Go ahead. But if you want to use examples, we got a million examples of
process that's flawed. Just don't use the beach. >> Okay. Well, I'm going to move over to the whatever these >> whatever the designated, please. >> Okay. I walked through the town the other day because I read the thing. I looked I saw four different
yellow curves. All right. I know who lives in four of those houses. And I asked, I said, "Why does that person have that yellow card?" Oh, a long time ago, the caretaker of the mother who passed away had that spot and it's still there.
>> I I have asked I have pointedly asked the chief that question and he says, "Every year our chief of police does that evaluation and what you just said, I'm told does not happen." So chief
provide their license, their state issued placard that has to be up to date and not expired. Uh their registration card which is a handicap card issued by DMV. Um a doctor's note
that is all verified every single year at every spot. >> Okay. >> All right. >> And I do it personally. >> Okay. >> Yes. just met up. >> You're already exasperated. >> No. When we're trying to fix things that
are broken, no one's going to sit here and say things aren't broken. >> It's just >> I would not argue with that. >> No, but we need we just need clarity. The chief and I had that very discussion. >> They're not exaggerating. >> No, that we check this every year.
>> I'm not even going there. Please. >> Nancy Meadow Ocean Park Condominiums. Um, I don't want to even get into which side of this issue I'm on, but you're opening a Pandora's box that's going to go
further. So, my concern is or what I guess I just would like to point out, this isn't only a police or code issue or or kindness or not kindness issue.
This also involves the land use board because when homes, especially the new ones, are built and they're getting bigger and not only deeper but also wider,
the driveways shrink. And I can point this out because on my block there were two new buildings that went up, two new homes. And there was some I don't remember the details, but an altercation with the
older homes and the neighbors that lived there. So they built their home according to whatever variance they could get and then put planters lining up the driveway
so that the elderly person who lived in that home could no longer use the driveway. Now I don't know how that all complicates the issues of driveway not driveway issue. you know they get a yellow thing they don't I have no idea
but again it opens the next level we want to say up or down with variances um you know we can't deal with you know people and their altercations or this and that or spite but I think that that's um I know
nothing about the language board you really don't want to but whoever gives guidance or strategic planning or you know whatever you want to say. I think this this needs to be part of considerations. That's it.
>> Thank you, Mr. Co. >> And uh Thomas J. Coen, 623rd Avenue. I just want to comment on the driveway. U actually the land use board uh extended the driveways to one foot off the property line where it used to be three
feet enabling larger driveways in terms of width. So that would ordinance change which was done by the council a couple years ago. So I just want to set the record straight on that. Um I I I just have a little story. When when I was 15, I learned how things worked. Uh at the
Spring Lake Country Club, they only had 20 golf carts. Then they had a huge push. When the temperature got to be 85, there were not enough golf carts. Now I was a 15year-old kid standing next to the caddy master. I have this guy's bag.
The guy says, "I don't want to take a caddy. I want to take a cart." Caddy master says, "Well, you need a letter from your doctor in order for me to give you a cart because it's so hot and we don't have enough carts." Guy went into the men's locker room, came
out with a letter, handed it to the caddy master. Caddy master said, "This is from your endodontist." He goes, "It just says I have to have it from my doctor." So people look ways around. I just happen to learn at a very young age. Um
so um I I don't really like the process. I understand some people need it. I want to complement this board uh from a language perspective. Okay. And reducing the number of these handicap spaces and I feel horrible for people who don't have driveways who have to look at empty
spaces over and over. And I appreciate that people in the audience are concerned about the people in the uh uh vans for their access, but I I just want to know who the guy is with the Corvette that's parks in the handicap parking space because I'm dying to see that guy.
Um but anyway, I want to share something with you from the uh 2003 master plan. The re-examination uh is referenced in the 2014 master plan uh where it states um it
states the uh re-examination several recommendations for the burrow. So I'm going to read number seven. Update parking standards in the burough land development ordinance in accordance with New Jersey state residential improvement standards. Continuing recommendations.
Although amendments have been made to the burough's parking standards, it is recommended that the bureau continue to evaluate the parking ordinance in order to mitigate parking shortages in certain areas. Well, I don't even think it's certain areas. I think it's all areas.
But what you're doing tonight is part of a parking plan to mitigate the problems we have by creating the opportunity for more spaces. Um, I do believe this is a privatization of a public asset. Now, I understand some people need it, but the
changes you're making are very important. So, I would like to then reference the uh master plan review from June of 2018. Recommendations. Um, this is again recommendations. It's a continuing
theme. So, this is now 2018. continue to evaluate the parking ordinance in order to mitigate parking shortages in certain areas. This recommendation remains valid. So, if you can create 20 spaces,
that's a benefit and I believe it should be included in the next uh update of the master plan because the council is attempting to create more parking opportunity for the people who need it. I just have a a couple other comments. I'm not crazy about u the
recommendations that Mr. Canton made. I do agree with the chief that it it'd be better we leave it in there about the driveway. What I'm concerned about is when you say access, there's some apartment buildings and mixed multifamily houses that have a space in
front, but they have a driveway with parking in the back. So, did that tenant not get parking? I mean, it's not our job to create parking on the street for the tenants. Um, if there is parking with the facility, the landlord should take that into account for his
handicapped tenants. Um, that that's what I would do. Also, this magic sticker. I I've never seen one. I've driven around the town on my bike. Where are the stickers? There's supposed to be a sticker with this program, but I I've never seen it. Never seen it on a
vehicle. And it's only supposed to be one vehicle. It's not supposed to be two or three vehicles. Hey, that's our space. We're just going to park there. If you're doing it for one person specifically handicapped, it should be only for that person. >> I understand sheet is it is one sticker. >> It is one car, one sticker, one person.
>> One sticker, one registration. And can you can you bring the stickers in as a little um you know, show >> I'd love to see one because I can't find them on these cars. But uh that's uh that that's all that's all I have. But I
want to thank you all for for taking this on. if you can reduce the number and and make it for year round res. It it is horrible based on the previous commenters that the CD space is just empty. It's an asset an asset to the bar. Thank you. Thank you. Other
comments in the audience. Seeing none on Zoom. Let's these were I knew these were going to be very long workshops. They're very important workshops. We we welcome all the feedback. Uh we recognize so many flaws that exist. We are clear in
terms of data tracking and we are trying to do better. Um the my goal entering tonight was to have this all this dialogue and then hopefully introduce an ordinance. I think there's been enough enough questions raised and enough
conversation. I'm going to recommend we we don't try to introduce an amended ordinance tonight, but when we get to that we can table it and take a crack at making updates and then revisit this at our next meeting. I hope you all agree. So, with that said, we'll close the
workshops and now hopefully we'll move very quickly through the rest of the agenda. Uh moving to uh item number seven, approval of minutes. I'll make a motion that we approve the October 6, 2025 council business meeting minutes.
>> Mr. Noble, >> yes. Mr. Rid, >> yes. Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. But can I point out that on this agenda it says October 6th and the meetings were on the 7th. >> Oh jeez. Thank you. >> They're right on the dot. They're right on the minutes. >> You're right.
>> Yeah. >> Agenda is good. >> Yes. I'll make a motion that we approve the October 6, 2025 executive session minutes. Uh October 7th executive session. >> Second. >> Uh Mr. Noble.
>> Yes. >> M. Greenblat. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. Yes. >> Mayor. >> Yes. >> We do have an ordinance introduction. It's a very relatively minor uh recordkeeping type of uh amendment, but
it's ordinance 2025-36 uh updating our construction codes. our uh new uh construction official, Brian Curry, identified a handful, five or six areas where our fees were not consistent with where they needed to be relative to
the uniform construction code. So, this amendment represents his his recommended edits. I'll make a motion that we approve introduction of 2025-36. >> Mr. Noble. Yes. Mr. Rw. Yes, >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes, >> Mr. Weber.
>> Yes, >> Mayor Dubosi. >> Yes. And I'm sorry everyone, I skipped public comments. >> Oh. Oh. >> So, uh, obviously the public's been talking a lot, but limited to our
workshop. So, um, uh, let me let me backtrack and ask, are there public comments regarding any items on the agenda? >> Yes, M. surprise somebody condominiums.
Um I'd like to discuss the build list which I've been my tongue on for about 10 and a half months. So there's a lot here. Um specific question on page five. There's a small dispersion
lumber. It says it's for the mayor's office. Is that that to my right? Okay. So, it's my understanding that that's really not that changes are really that's for the Neptune Court using our facilities
office. >> It's the court office. Yes. >> Okay. >> It's Neptune. >> So, here's a there's already a contradiction. >> Well, it's like it's considered the mayor's office now. what you're going to turn it into. >> Okay. The money we're spending >> Okay. It's no longer Okay. Sorry.
>> It's my understanding that the money we're spending is not for our mayor, whoever that may be. It's money we are spending to have revenues because Neptune's going to use us as their place of court. So, there's an error. You
might call it semantics. I call it a bigger problem in looking at what Mr. Kenny, I forget the word he used. I think might have been operations. I'll call them protocols. I'll call them doing B&Ls and balance sheets correctly. But the bottom line is we don't and we
the people don't get to see revenues and we're rarely presented with any part of the business of P&Ls. So, I think it's important, especially
since this is a new category in operation, that whoever did this should have done it properly. And I will go as far to say that once again, we're in a supervisory problem.
>> It's been a You said page five. I'm just looking for >> Yeah, you're It's a small amount of money. >> Am I right? >> Reference to the mayor's office. Jumber's pages. >> Did I know?
>> There's five on the one I'm looking at. >> Yeah, I did look three times. >> That's cheating. >> We're cheating. >> The paper doesn't have page times. >> Well, not all of us have paper. >> Cheating. Only me, apparently. >> Well, >> uh, I just want to find it. So, I
>> You want to pay for my ink? Okay. 22875. Okay. >> Okay. I'm just just like saying >> we'll bring this to u's attention hopefully. >> But but it's a symptom >> or a result of a bigger problem. The
same way like I was told that in the police department we don't have vehicle supplies. We only have maintenance. That went back a couple months ago with their mounts for whatever equipment they needed. The same way something was build out on that same bill list in August's emails, but
apparently was something regarding getting emails for over accounts. I'm just saying that, and I can go on and on and on, but I will not, that okay, we're recognizing that we fall short in operations,
but I would also like to recognize we're not making progress. Now, maybe internally you think we are, but I will just say externally I do not see where we're cleaning any of this up. And it's discouraging to me who feels that there
are so many employees, new and old, that are allowed to proceed, I won't even use the word work, proceed with the same bad habits. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Other comments or questions? Anyone on Zoom? Okay, seeing none, we'll get back to the uh agenda. We've already introduced uh ordinance 2025-36. Item 10 on the I'm sorry.
Yeah, there's >> the special parking 2025-37. I'm going to make a motion that we table uh this vote until the subsequent meeting. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. >> Mr. Green, >> yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes.
>> Mayor Gubzi, >> yes. >> Communications, there are none. Um, >> wait, what happened to 36? >> You made a motion to >> Yeah, you introduced it. >> I did it and then I went backwards. >> Well, I know, but then there's
discussion. not discussing >> not an introduction. >> Okay, >> that's for >> just want to make a mention about it on that 36. Um last time Councilwoman Greenblad brought up the fact that there was a it's not one of the parts that we were changing but said something about a
permit for a six foot fence and she asked she >> you well because I did not get a good answer to that. I asked the folks the development folks and I couldn't get an answer to that and then by the time I asked Matt Matt was Matt's on vacation so I just had an answer.
>> Oh okay good. So Brian Kerry not only put this in writing but just to make sure I ran into him in the hallway coming into the meeting and confirmed my understanding when I discussed council uh council I'll get straight.
Councilwoman Greenblat uh raised a question in our last meeting about a fee for $75 for fences in excess of six foot. Her question was just is this ambiguous? Should should the wording be clear? Because beta shouldn't be in excess of six feet unless they need a
variance. Does this apply? Does it not apply? Be on top of it. A lot of really good questions came down to a very simple answer. U I'll say unfortunately because it was kind of antilimatic, but Bryant Curry's answer, he's our construction official. He said in this
particular ordinance, it's a list of permitting fees for construction. He puts blinders on and says uh he follows the the uniform construction code and there's very specific language specifically regarding six foot fences. He said he doesn't look at it with
regards to whether zoning variances apply or whether it's for different types of construction like like he said residential construction versus uh a screen for garbage or whatever. He doesn't care about any of that. In this world, he charges $75 if the offense is
over six feet. It's that simple. >> So, it's not like that would only be allowed without a but >> yeah, that's not his domain. He he doesn't care. So, like I said, my question was more like, do we even allow that? And he said, "No, you don't. They would need a variance and then I would charge him, but he didn't. That's not
what he told me." >> No, I I just a comment there. >> All right. One would think we could get through these agendas quickly, but it happens. Um, I'm going to make a motion that we uh move the two consent agenda resolutions to individual just so John
to your point last meeting we could identify these folks separately. >> So make a motion that we move it to individual resolutions. Second, >> Mr. Noble, >> yes. Mr. Relet, yes. >> Mr. Newiki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Gosi, >> yes. Individual resolution number one,
2025-320. Uh we are acknowledging the uh hiring of a probationary firefighter appointment uh Dne Windrant. Um I make a motion that we uh approve that resolution. >> Second.
>> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Miss Green. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Bossi. >> Yes. And welcome Dbrand. Mr. Weber. You can make that comment a little later. >> Sure. Um
uh individual resolution uh 2025-321. Uh I'll make a motion that we approve the uh the appointment of cadet junior firefighter Leah Kern. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Mr. Relet. Yes. Mr. Noiki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kubosi.
>> Yes. >> 2025-322. Authorizing the 2026 fireworks display next year. Okay. 2026 fireworks display contract with Starfire Corporation. It's in the amount of
$18,000. It was $15,000 last year. I'll make a motion that we approve this. >> Second, >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Main. >> So, um, I had asked I I just wanted to give a little bit of a backstory to my approval for this. Um, I will say yes
and approve it, but I just want to point out this is $18,000 that's coming out of the beach utility. Uh, so it's that's coming out of the beach utility. However, it's a lot of money to spend. Um, and I just hope the community continues to really want to have these
fireworks. I know fireworks is a big July 4th um, tradition. Uh, and everybody loves fireworks or many people love fireworks, but it's a lot of money that gets spent from our coffers. So, I just wanted to point that out. I'm not going to make make a, you know, a point
of it. I just wanted to state that $18,000 is 1200. So anyway, and with that, I'm saying yes. Mr. Niki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. The fireworks ridiculous,
>> Mayor Gubosi, >> the answer is yes. And uh just so for the record, we did request three proposals. Oh, there's uh the date is not July 4th. It's July 2nd. And uh shy you'll be happy to know that the July
4th uh pricing was substantially higher. So while 18,000 is a good amount of money, it would have been a lot worse if we could afford uh July 4th or if it was available, it was also not available. Okay. Um 2025-323.
I'll make a motion that we approve. Well, first of all, any comments or questions about uh the burrow um Halloween curfew? No questions, comments. I'll make a motion to approve 2025-323 uh approving the burrow Halloween curfew
for 2026. Uh 2025. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rainblot. Yes. >> Mr. Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Dubose. >> Yes. 2025-324 appointing a fire marshal or fire
official. Any comments or questions? I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-324. >> Second. >> Mr. Noble, yes. Mr. Greenblat, yes. >> Mr. Nikki, >> yes. >> Mr. Weber, >> yes. >> Mayor Gutzi, >> yes. 2025 325. Approving a shared
service agreement renewal with the burrow of Avon by the Sea for Municipal Court Services. Two seconds of explanation. Avon has been with us for three years. This is renewing for another three-year contract. uh we bumped their pricing and they accepted
this uh a little over 5% per year. Well, 5% the first year and exactly 5% in the second year. It's like to have under 40,000 38,000 this year, 40,000 next year, 42,000 and 44,000. So, that said, um
I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-325. Second, >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Matt, yes. >> Mr. New Wiki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber. >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubosi. >> Yes. Uh item individual resolution 2025-326
is the appointment of uh for Paty White as deputy uh court administrator. Uh one Paty is qualified for this role. She's an existing employee with Burough. she's passed the exams and most importantly uh it's a requirement
for us to have a deputy court administrator a second joining uh Todd uh in order to take on the Neptune city court. So I'll make any comments or questions. I'll make a motion that we
approve 2025- 326. Second >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> Midw. >> Mr. Noiki? >> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor Gubos? >> Yes. And finally, bill is 2025-327. Are there any items or that you'd want
to vote out separately or any comments or questions? >> Okay, I'll make a motion that we approve 2025-327. The bill is for October 21st. >> Second, >> Mr. Noble. >> Yes. >> M. Green. >> Yes. >> Mr. Nikki?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Weber? >> Yes. >> Mayor, >> yes. Item 12, announcements. There are none. Uh item 13A the administrator report there is no administrator. No uh Matt Dhy is vacationing in u well he's
visiting his daughter in Ireland. Um I don't think he did just provide Amy Hall with some updates for her newsletter. Anyone who's interested in u the status of a couple of our u infrastructure projects, Mr. Dhy provided that in the
newsletter since he wasn't going to be with us tonight. Uh 13B mayor and council reports. Let me start with council president Jane. >> Yay. I'm going to be very quickly because uh the shade tree doesn't have a meeting till next month. Uh the board
event is actually Thursday, but I do want to say this Friday at 9:30 a.m. the Julie Shrek Maritime Forest will be for Purple Martin Birdous Richard. The
school, the Bradley Beach Elementary School, will be putting these up with their environmental club, and you're more than welcome to watch these birdhouses be erected. So, it's very nice. That's the rest stop for birds when they travel down the Atlantic flyway. So, we're very gracious to have
that that park and now they're going to have birdouses, too. >> Is there Friday? >> Friday. >> Yes. 9:30. >> Yeah. And um The tourism did have a special meeting today at 9:00 and we are
just they discussed things they're doing for 2026. So they're going to expand the jazz fest. The World Cup is next year and that there'll be a big celebration for that. And it also is the semiquentennial celebration and they're making plans for
that as well. And that completes my report. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman Noiki. Uh first I'll report on the first day bi-weekly council report. Um the operational period October 21st, the squad responded to 15 day calls, nine
night calls for total 24 calls, 17 for medical and seven for fire. The squad provided medical overwatch for Mary's Place walk through Bradley Beach, the clean o clean ocean action beach and the walk and roll for the Bradley Beach gram
school. The squad conducted one drill for the safety and education of the membership. The squad requested one mutual aid from Neptune for this operational period and the squad fulfill 90% of their assignments for this operational period. We are still looking for volunteers from
first aid squad and offer training. See the website for details and we have a lengthy beach police department uh activity report. Um so bear with me walk through these. On October 6th, a 50-year-old male from
Freehole, New Jersey was arrested in an outstanding contempt of court war by patrolman John Johnson and patrolman Anthony. He was process and later transported to the Mammoth County Correctional Institute. On October 10th, 33-year-old
male from Azerie Park was arrested in an outstanding contempt of court warrant by patrolman Edwin Hernandez. He was processed and turned over to the Howell Township Police Department. On October 13th, a 40year-old male from Bradley Beach was arrested and charged
with receiving stolen property and was also found to have contempt of court warrant. Patrolman Daniel Crow and patrolman Ian Ambrose stopped Lagville after they observed him riding a Heineken brand bicycle that had the report stori.
Lieutenant Joseph Josephine Sarro and patrolman Steven Scott assisted with the arrest. On October 15th, a 34 year old male from Wall Township was arrested and charged with receiving stolen property by patrolman pro. A field contact was
conduct was was conducted on Long Street and he was found to be in possession of a vice had been reported stolen from Deal, New Jersey. He was processed and later returned over to M County Correctional Institute. Uh, Sergeant uh Kevin Gail and Detective Gregory Panza
assisted with the arrest. October 17th, a 39y old female from Woodbury, New Jersey was arrested and charged with theft, possession of cracked cocaine, and possession of drug paraphernalia as a result of an investigation by Sergeant Michael and patrolman Steven Scott. On
October 18th, a 41-year-old male from Nester, New Jersey was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol by Sergeant William Major. Sergeant Michael Tardo assisted with the arrest. Between October 6th and October 19th, the Bley Police Department also
investigated one motor vehicle accident and uh respond to several calls for service. And a reminder on um this Saturday, October 25th, the Bley Police Department will be participating in the operation takeback uh which is sponsored
by the Drug Enforcement Administration. be collecting unused prescriptions and nonprescription medications between the hours of 10 and 2 at the police department. Just please remove any personal information from the prescription bottles. And then uh on
Silven Lake, uh there was a meeting last week. Uh it was reported that uh the ocean outall work is continuing to progress well um and that the permits for the um bulkhead replacement along
Brandon Boulevard were also submitted last week as well. So progress is being made moving that forward. >> Thank you Councilman Weber. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um, congrats to the
probationary firefighter named Win Grant and the junior cadet le even though we said their names earlier. Uh, for the environmental commission uh they have decided they're going to use a little bit of their uh money their stipen for the year to help the fire
department get water bottle refill stations in the firehouse. Apparently uh firefighters they spend a lot of time there. They use training equipment like workout equipment. They train there as well. Uh so they go through a lot of single- use water bottles and they're
open to it and the environmental commission is going to help them out costwise. So I think that's a great use of their money just getting water bottle filling stations like the county we have up on the beach. So there might be two in the firehouse in the near future. Um
we had the beach sweeps on Saturday. Thank you to people that came out and uh picked up garbage to help our beaches get clean. We don't have the total I mean the data the trash it's tracked and there's like 75 different categories.
Couple of highlights um there were 258 bags and wrappers. There were 686 bottle caps plastic bottle caps or lids. Cigarette butts or cigar tips. 178 food takeout containers. Food takeout stuff. This is the kind of stuff we're getting
rid of. Let's get the stuff. Straws, stirers, cups, forks, knives. 307 of them. So, we made our beaches a lot cleaner. A few dozen people came out. I don't think that number, but thanks to people that did. Rona Parker, Dan Bagley, Caroline Davidson, um from the
Environmental Commission staff the table. So, that was a great day. I will say one other thing um about that event. There's another event going on. I guess it started in in Ocean Grove, Asbury and it was there was a walk there was there pass through like you know we get the
permit and it's like oh it's just a pass through I think 10,000 people passed through it was a massive massive massive walk for whatever they were raising money for. So I just want to suggest that in the future uh even when it's passed through we kind of get a a sense from the organizers like how many people
are going to pass through because like there was a line at our bathroom like 10 people deep and I'm sure it was extra work for our wasuh care of the restroom. So, we may want to consider I don't know what we could do, but we want we want to know that in the future. So, big pass through. Oh, and then the environment
commission wants uh to encourage everybody to leave their leaves this fall. All sorts of good reasons. We made a post on the Facebook page. We'll try and get it out in other channels, but to leave your leaves, it's good for wildlife and critters and birds that eat critters. So, I'll leave it at that.
>> Thank you, council. Councilwoman Green. So I will start um with an uh some information that we received from the Manmouth County Board of Commissioners. The Manmouth County Senior Advisory Council will be holding a listening session to hear concerns and needs to
successfully aging in place and this is for uh area residents uh Bradley Beach and other neighboring towns. It's taking place this Friday, October 24th from 10:30 to noon at the Neptune Township Senior Center and lunch will also be
provided. Um, so that's that. Um, the Arts Council met Monday, October 20th. The Arts Council Suka event at Abu Data Aim was cancelled due to the recent storm. But be sure not to miss our very own arts council, Gwen Rosenlat, who
will perform on flute and piano at the synagogue's community Shabbat Project, Saturday, November 8th at 6:30 p.m. All are invited to attend at 309 Fifth Avenue. More details to follow. The next arts council meeting is scheduled for
Monday, November 3rd, 11:00 a.m. at the Bassi Center. The public is welcome. Fletcher Lake Commission has not met since the last council meeting. However, there was a uh Flesher Lake cleanup this past Saturday. It was a beautiful day
and great to see neighbors from both towns working together for the sake of the lake. Look for pictures of the event in this week's co-star. Uh and many thanks to the DPWWs of both Bradley and Neptune for proactively managing the lake level during the recent storm. The
next commission meeting will be on November 13th at 6 PM in this council chamber and a somewhat lengthy report uh for recreation. Uh this is always an opportunity to share recreation's events. Uh Maan open play runs every
Friday 1 to 3 at the Bazin Center. The senior club meets tomorrow, October 22nd at noon. Uh senior game time Tuesdays is back uh the first and third Tuesdays of each month. B Y OG, bring your own game, and join friends at the Beyz Center for
Fun and Community Fellowship. Students, students in grades 5 through 12 are invited to participate in the art club, which runs every Wednesday at 5:00 p.m. at the Neptune City Community Center, and that's at 1173rd Avenue across the street from the Stop and
Shop. There's also the glitter and glue crew every Tuesday and Thursday morning from 11:30 to 12:15. It's a fun craft group for ages 2 to 5 years old and all Bradley Beach uh residents are welcome
to the these activities at the Neptune Community Center. Don't miss out October 24th for a ghoulish gathering at 400 p.m. on the Evergreen Beach. All ages welcome to this festive Halloween costume content contest with music, snacks, and pumpkin chucking. This event
will be modified because of the recreation construction. So, the pumping pumpkin chucking will take place on the beach. Recreation will be hosting its fourth annual trunk retreat on October 26th. That's this Sunday in the municipal parking lot from 1 to 3:00
p.m. Uh, bring your own bring your children and grandchildren to this festive and safe Halloween event. Construction continues at the rec site as it refurbishes its playground and facility courts as well as drainage and repair drainage repair and paving. The
work will continue through the fall with limited public access access to the facility. The recreation committee's next meeting will be uh Monday, November 17th at 6:30 p.m. And that concludes my report. >> Very good. Thank you, Councilwoman. Um
I'll start with the mayor's wellness walk, uh which is coming up this Sunday, October 26th at 9:00 a.m. Uh anyone who's interested, please try to meet us at the Brinley Avenue Beach. The title of this is Healthy Dog, Healthy You. So,
especially if you're a dog owner or intending to become one, uh, come check it out and listen to our local, uh, resident veterinarian, Dr. Kathleen Eye. Um, another important update is a number of
us representing Rather Beach will be meeting with the county director Tom Arnon and a couple of county engineers. Uh uh this Thursday morning uh October 23rd uh we are going to be visiting the intersection at 4th Avenue and Memorial
Drive because there have been some very severe accidents there over the past year. Uh there's been a history of accidents there over time. The county does have a traffic calming uh process underway for Memorial Drive that is
intended to span about three years. uh they won't start to take any official action until 2028 in terms of making changes. Um but we will be meeting Arnon and those engineers and that when I say we Bradley Beach will be represented by
myself, Councilman Noiki and the chief of police. Uh the Neptune City mayor will be joining us along with the Neptune City Chief of Police. So um we're hoping that we can come up with an interim solution. I've expressed to the director that we do not want to wait uh
until 2028 to hopefully take uh initiatives that might create a safer um intersection for us. Erica, I'm hoping you can help me with this one. I just wanted to let the public know that we have a bid opening plan pretty soon. Is that Thursday? Do you know?
>> Friday. >> Friday. >> Next Friday. >> Okay. So, uh do you have a date then? What's do you know? >> The 31st. 31st. >> Sorry to put you on the spot, but for those interested, uh October 31st, uh we
have requested bids proposals for the renovation of the sewer pump station on Ocean Avenue, right next to the uh the Children's Park there. And uh as you heard, October 31st, that morning, 10:00 a.m. >> Yes.
>> 10 a.m. So, anyone interested and wants to witness our clerk opening bids, are you opening the bids? No, I'm not opening this. Yeah, those days are long gone. Thank you very much. >> I thought they might be. Uh, but if you're interested, um, you know that we will be opening this at that time. So,
that concludes my comments and let us now move to, uh, public comments or questions. Any public comments or questions? [Music] >> For you. Nancy Meadow, I know it's been hours, but I still have not moved on that most
of our condominiums. Mr. Weber, I couldn't agree more. We need to do something about these pass through events. I've been saying it forever, so maybe now Glad you brought it up. >> This one was particularly big.
>> I think if there's 10 people, we need to It's wear and tear on our burl green lab fireworks not only a waste of $18,000 in my personal opinion bad for the environment.
I've been saying that for years too. Mayor Bubosi >> and public for years and I do not know how many years but I know it's been excess of three years.
I have tried to obtain unsold beach badges which the library uses as decorative ornaments as a fundraiser. No one in those years helped me or got
back to me. I mentioned it to Mayor Ktosi. Within three weeks, I think I was given over $1,000 worth of beach badges. They're not sold. They're now in the
hands of the library. They will be selling wreaths and Christmas trees with the little tags on them. And you can even buy a wreath, take the ribbon off, and put a little beachy one on it. And it's a 12 month
thing. So along with Mr. Kenny, thank you for that first of all, and along with Mr. Kenny's comments about our operations or lack thereof. I say to you all, why do we have so many unsold badges? There's obviously a
problem with the process and I'm not just talking the weekly ones that we knew were going to be a loser. And what can we do in the future so that I don't need to be involved? And the mayor certainly has better things to do than
this. And maybe that's why he puts in more necessary. So, as soon as those badges are returned, they're not put in the garbage, but they're given to our bur. Doesn't matter if the tax is liable, okay? It's one of those
instances where we are working together. So, don't say uh oh sometimes. And then to those of you because I don't think we have a meeting until Thursdays from now. So for those of you that are running to
serve the public, good luck. >> Thank you. >> Other comments or questions? >> Anyone on Zoom? I see no hands. I will make a motion to There is no executive session. I will make a motion to adjourn. All
>> in favor? I >> thank you everyone. [Music] That was so fun.