all right good morning everyone I will uh go ahead and open up this Eda meeting here on uh the morning of Thursday April 3rd 2025 would you please call the rooll I got one right here oh that one okay uh beaser here grula here Johnson
here kersch here OD here Sandy Jagger yes thank you so uh this will be a Roundtable style discussion won't be super formal here feel free to just jump in in the conversation anytime you like and we'll just kind of have you kind of run us
down the list here a little bit if you would so what I'm kind of thinking um for the how we do this today I'll go through the budget and where we're looking at with the Eda and where that stands for 20125 um and then after that we have kind of the four sections um we'll talk about Washington Street Child Care
Center facade signage um I think ask questions during that time have discussions and then I think towards the end at the very end um kind of talk about um ideas of where you'd like to see that funding go towards so rather than allocating it on the first one or the second one kind of maybe here every
section and then towards the end there then we can figure out you know we can't do any motions or or or anything like that but I can get some general feedback on where the Eda would like to go with that so y so with that um included a budgetary item there city council approved
$16,814.23 with the current Consultants uh the Eda elected to fully fund all five contracts and based on the budget the Eda has a net revenue for this year of $1,362 uh staff did recommend um when the Eda was going through the budget in 2024 for 2025 that $1 15,000 should be
allocated in the budget for this year for Grants um with that Grant programming to be determined at essentially this future meeting um the uh and then the projected unassigned fund balance for uh for this year is $113,000
312 um there is still one facade grant that uh hasn't gone out yet and that was for um the one on Fourth Street Northwest here so that one still would be coming out of the fund balance um and then with that based on the city policy again we don't have an Eda policy for
the fund balance uh but if you were to follow the the the range that the city has uh Eda should keep somewhere between $54,000 and $91,000 for budgeted expenditures of the 182,000 so with that um does not look
like Tyler's here he was kind of expecting to show up to talk about the mitigation plan so I'll let uh Marie kind of introduce that one she's been really working with Tyler and uh and Matt from the chamber yeah I guess kind of to go along with there was theot had their meeting a couple weeks
ago I I guess I didn't go to the public other public one too but just kind of re spurred the conversation around like what sort of mitigation plan you might want to put together just to help businesses um manage and deal with the construction project so um Matt and
Tyler kind of put this proposal together and kind of um a lot of it's based on just looking at what other cities have done I know was it that came presented and um I had pulled some stuff from the Minnesota Main Street they had kind of some sample
mitigation plans um but yeah it's kind of um what the first kind of piece of it is building kind of a brand around it just so that the community and businesses are aware of the project um and then kind kind of creating a communication Network just so businesses
and the community in gen General like is aware of what's going on um having really clear communication about what the closures are and how you can access businesses and that sort of stuff just so again we're we're helping these businesses get through this difficult time when there's going to be not great
access to their to their businesses um and then we kind of talked about some other programming that could go along with that potentially offering some different types of workshops like um helping businesses beef up maybe their social media plans so that they're communicating better with their customers about what stuff is going on
and how they can uh continue shopping there during construction um and then yeah and part of that too would be figuring out if the Eda or through like just consolidating sort some sort of funding source could offer like a facade grant program or
just something to help these businesses everything's getting torn up right now anyways it' be a great time for businesses to invest in new signage and different things for the frontage of their building um so that when the construction's done it's looking really nice and clean um through that
throughout that Corridor um so I know um yeah Tyler and Matt kind of pulled together just a rough budget um just to kind of get some numbers in front of us um and I think would be a a partnership across the community pulling in resources where we can find them um I
feel pretty strongly that Eda should be a major contributor to this and helping with this just because it's impacting such a huge part of our business Community um but yeah that that's kind of my summary of it if anybody has any other thoughts or questions yeah I know
when I spoke with Matt um you know he's hoping with this Outreach here to really try to put a positive spin on this you know um certainly there's going to be impacts businesses uh brainer businesses specifically with the 210 project here um and you know certainly negative
aspects of that of you know hoping that uh businesses continue to thrive during this construction project but I know he's looking to really try to put a positive spin on this through this outreach program that this is going to be a nice project and and really a benefit to Brainard when it's done so that's I think something that he's really hoping to to come out of this
Outreach as well yeah I just see it as a way for um Eda to be more active too and for businesses to see like how Eda is helping uh businesses get through these difficult situations like this and just um I see it as for the future of
development in that Corridor if developers can see like wow like the city and the Eda is really supportive of businesses that's going to really I think be encouraging to developers to want to come in and fill in you know continue to develop that area so I see
it as being kind of more strategic long-term planning thing not only just being that's specifically targeting this construction project you see this is a pretty preliminary uh budget that um Matt and Tyler put together uh you'll see kind of a little higher cost in 2026
getting some of the things launched and getting things going um projected uh potentially $90,000 $65,000 in 2027 um one of the biggest ones is the business of liaison um thoughts behind that is that person be somebody that businesses could reach
out and you know kind of at all times would be the go between um if there's issues or anything that they can work through um to help their businesses and then that'd be the contact between the businesses and mindock um you know kind of a more of a private person that's not involved either you know directly with
the project somebody that's more of that third party so that's one of the bigger expenses in there um I know I did talk with uh oh Tyler's here I don't know if you have anything to add on this one Tyler just walking in probably not but I will sounds good maybe just for questions for Tyler um we've gone through a lot of what uh the proposal is
here um you you know certainly talking with Matt uh trying to figure out funding um you know I think uh you know certainly they're going to be doing some funding I think they'll be looking at businesses I know they're potentially reaching out to deed um so then you know some of the questions you know later on when we do look at budget does the Eda
want to be involved you know um you know allocating some budget to to potentially this project here so kind of you know certainly can make some comments now on that and we can figure you know kind of the details out later so um certainly not you know not expecting the Eda to you know fund everything so I think the
biggest thing for for us in this is Tech you know air quotes who owns the employee right it is an employee where do they house themselves where does the majority of the funding come from where does the Direction come from there's so there's a few things that we've met on a
few times but I think there's a handful of moving parts that need to be vetted out as we get a little bit farther down the road and um but it I can yeah we can talk about this as we move along but it's you know this is just a this is just a kicking off point so yeah so
you'll see in the The Proposal um what uh the chamber and blade are are looking for is kind of reactions to the pro proposed mitigation strategies additional ideas to help business navigate construction successfully the level of Ed involvement and any potential funding support and suggestions for additional funding
sources or Partnerships I do have one question on the um business leaon would that be 100% % of their time good question don't know that yet I think that's a I think that's something
we'd have to work out it it um I personally I can't justify owning the employee um I don't know that I think um I don't I don't know Matt and I haven't gotten to that level with this yet but it's a really good question
talk through even if it was like 80% just be to know what that 40,000 is buying for sure the and what I came back to Matt with and part of my challenge with this is what does this employee do
construction season ends before construction season starts you know is it especially as we get into year two is it just upda it couldn't be to be honest if they are they're making 20 grand a year 100% that's my you know laying this out
I I understand the concept and we understand the concept and conversations that we've had with Marie and with Nick and others it's you know putting something out there let's see where this goes the other side of it is where does the funding come from he's got a big number attached to
this because the M mot has money for signage and has some money my understanding is there is money for signage uh I could be wrong about that but um not sure what that signage is if that just means traffic direction sign that but mot's not kicking in anything on this as far as we know right I don't
think they committed anything to that they could U but that would be at their discretion yeah so I've asked you know I've asked that same question several times at the amend. meetings just how is there money set aside for any of this
type of thing and it's kind of the same answer could be we got some moneyy that's that e marked for signage but idea that'ss if that's Jesse you can maybe elaborate I know I've seen some you know in some cases with these Ro projects it might be a small sign little
thing go this way to get to this business you nothing elaborate yep yeah they'll they'll include stuff for like way call Way finding during construction um but it'll be pretty generic because they don't want to get too specific especially since it's going
to change regular through the project so they don't want to get too crazy specific with that uh in regards to a person um they they usually leave that up to the district and what available funds that they have because I mean every district has different priorities too and available
funon uh yeah correct yep so if they have some available funding and they they usually leave some additional funds to be used on like big projects like this for certain contingencies whether that be construction related contingencies or could be something like
this so um as I think they develop the 90% plan estimate or 60% plan estimate I think things will get a lot clearer of what their level of financial commitment to the Project's going to be and what they'll have for a little bit
more clearer idea of funds available that might help clarify what their availability to commit some additional funding something like this would be I think Marie kind of had a good idea to potentially um it wouldn't be you know
really for this year's fun funds but when we're thinking of budget budgetary for 2026 2027 you know possibly the facade Grant or signage Grant uh program could be targeted to that exact section that's being shut down so something to think about in the future yeah that's
what I'd like to see a yeah just the Eda funding um all or at least part of like a facade Grant and then kicking in some sort of funding into this that's going towards this kind this I've also been told that there
sorry um that a lot of times that there's a there's a portion of the funding that's built into the the the awarded contracted uh compan for work like this so they have someone assigned it so there's funding as they
as they put their bids in there's there's dollar amounts in there that are assigned to something like this to from Aon standpoint or communication Specialists as that goes through this but it really depends on who the bid I you know you depends on who that might
be the contractors contractors yeah communication the aison so if we wanted somebody that'd be their project manager or their superintendent kind of something it might be somebody even separate from that like an office staff person that kind of goes between the the
site project manager to maybe communicating with our liaison yeah I think the feedback I have heard at most of the meetings and I mean it's it's always a point of frustration communicating with business owners I know this from trying to like recruit business owners to participate in Things
They just they don't read their emails they don't read the mail or there you know they got a lot of stuff going on so it's just that's going to be a key piece is having somebody local that can connect with these business owners even in person um just to make sure that
they're aware of what's going on um and and setting the expectation with business owners too that they need to be engaging with what whatever Communication channel we set up whether it's like a social media page or website or whatever but just building that relationship so people know who the point of contact is and know who to go
question be I don't think there's anyi what kind of funding we have to got 100 in the yeah 103 in the general fund about 100 um and then somewhere between if you look at the city policy for what we need for the next year to fund kind of the first
expenditures of the of the year should keep somewhere between 50 and 990,000 so 90,000 for the total oh that's one y we're thinking possibly get some certainly yeah C we're going to
reach certainly reach out to deed to see if they have anything um continue to work mot to see if they have anything businesses and then have we'll see if there's any other ideas I don't know latest we would have to know yeah I don't know what Matt was thinking for like timeline for like how
soon to get on Stu but and I can let him know some of the general comments that come out of this meeting um so they can start to kind of build around that you know what is everybody kind of thinking a little bit and then at the next meeting um you know I'd probably bring something if if the Eda does seem
generally interested here um a little bit more of a preliminary dedication of funds um to the next meeting based on based on that yeah the Project's getting l in January so obviously the sooner you start lining things up and getting yourself prepared
before that makes it just a little bit more organized rather than scrambling at the end before construction sounds Eric I don't know maybe I'll give you we'll go through just keep going down the list here yep we'll keep going down the list here um Eric is here to talk about the
streetcape yeah sure so just kind of from the H's perspective what we are going to try to hopefully secure some funding for the city uh for this project uh it's going to be kind of a two-part the first part is going to be uh we're hopeful to to get Council approval to
submit our full application to the deed small cities development program uh we put a pre-application in in the fall which the council supported uh we were deemed competitive deed always says you're non-competitive marginally competitive or competitive we did get
into the competitive uh bucket this year which is good usually means that we will have a very good opportunity to scare some funding uh typically what the H does when we're applying for small cities is we're out there trying to get housing rehab and that is still the intent for the Washington stre Street
Corridor but we do have a Southeast brainer Grant open currently for housing rehab and when we were talking with our deed brups they strongly suggested that we do not um co-mingle those the the likelihood of us getting funding for
housing Grant in 2026 would be mitigated because we've got an open grant that Grant closes at the end of 26 we could likely apply for one in 27 to get funded so knowing that it's a two year build cycle for the the Reconstruction we still think we've got an opportunity on
the second year to get some funding for housing and and Redevelopment or rehab so that's preliminary the plan for this year two year one we are still able to get funding potentially for streetscape something that we've never applied for before uh it is something allowable uh
in there and when we talk streetscape specifically for this um project it's for decorative lighting so I know Jesse has been working our staff quite a bit on getting cost estimates and and Jesse correct me if I'm wrong I think the city's portion of the lighting down that
quor around 1.4 million some of it it's going to be shared with mot so 1.4 is what the outlay would be for the city roughly uh we can apply for up to 600,000 and if we get fully funded that's a huge chunk of that 1.4 million that the city needs very very hopeful
that we'll get that we're very infused that we got to be competitive or at least into that bucket uh we'll be in front of council I believe on Monday for a public hearing uh just to discuss the uh or have the public provide any input on on that uh Grant application and then
if the council sees fit to let us apply for that we will do that and and deadline for application is April 16th typically find out August September on any fundings U but that would just be I think a good opportunity for us to to hopefully
secure some funding for this project and then year two uh again would be this coming fall we would likely be ramping up for a pre-application again for that housing sector uh throughout that Corridor the the good thing is deed likes to couple
projects together so the fact that the city and mot are working on the Reconstruction that's why we likely are deemed very competitive or competitive at this point uh they like to throw their their funding behind other projects to obviously expand and extend
their reach for their dollars so that's the plan from our side of things hopefully things go smoothly and we can secure a good amount of funding least offset some of the outlets that the city would have to do so is that streetcape funding just like Washington yeah it would just be on
the Washington Corridor would it extend out like downtown or just along Washington yeah just along that Washington would that cover like I know I can't remember what was decided on for the like light posts but didn't we we weren't able to get on had would allow
banners on them is that like a possibility still or that was the direction of council's the new style is not to have banners on them so it's that Cafe style uh commercial Corridor lighting um so it is more of a decorative compared to like
the overarching one um but we've also included with that application some other streetscape items like the decorative railing that's going to go on the bridge um some of the decorative railing that we're anticipating kind of in front of the Mall here by 6th um so some other enhancements too we've really
kind of pitched this to um the small City's Grant uh group as uh having a very high Community impact that that's really the push behind this U improvements to this Corridor is it's going to make it much more pedestrian friendly much more pedestrian
attractive not just chunk Highway moving cars um that it's intended to be more than that so we already kind of have some projects lined up what that it's all kind of part of this project and that was kind of the the impetus of this
script is just to kind of cover more of the city's share of that costum it takes a long time to get Stu lined up for ordering supplies and materials and stuff so I'm just wondering with the timing when we get the funding is it like that lined up right so that it's we're not getting the
funding and then scrambling to try to get whatever I'm not sure when the the funding would be usually when it comes to like a m. project we end up once they get the bids they essentially send us a bill for x amount perc of the cost we pay mot ahead
they take out of that and then we close it out at the end um so odds our small cities Grant we would get reimbursed questions that sounds sounds expensive us we're hoping we're hoping that's
the us us being Ed Eda it's very Ed all right on to the uh the next one James yeah so next one is improved signage in downtown and along Washington Street uh so staff has received um some
complaints about signage Aesthetics in our some of our corridors um I put a couple pictures below um we're seeing kind of more and more vinyl sign um right now our zoning code kind of really regulates um kind of location of the signage size of the signage but
doesn't have a lot of design standards for signage um so we are getting complaints kind of this temporary you know stuff that kind of gets thrown up real fast versus you know nice signage that's you know meant to be more permanent um the other thing that I've gotten some complaints on um is signage
that's kind of just hand painted um very halfhazard Le and fast I don't know how that could potentially be worked in um you your design standards potentially um you know still meets you know even if you took vyl signage away there's potential for you know somebody to just spray paint stuff or do signage pretty
quickly um so that was also another one of those right what's that like last summer there was a business that yeah spray paint it's still yeah still there it's still there yep and one of the businesses so um there's a complaint on that one as well you sure yeah so I don't know what that I
don't know what a potential code to prohibit something like that would be but certainly vinyl signage you know we can you know regulate materials that that are used on it um so brought it here for some some discussion um you know i' think like to hear if if the Eda would like Planning Commission to work
on this I'd let the Planning Commission know and then uh also potentially um when we're looking at funding what does it look like this year you know is there some type of 50% matching Grant like the uh um facade Improvement Grant was maybe
like a $1,000 or $2,000 50% matching Grant or up to to um you know you could potentially then look at you know maybe 15 signs that are improved in the city so you know typical signage if what we T what we typically see with valuation if you do it yourself it's somewhere in the 500 to 1,000 range if you hire somebody
to do it um you're probably looking at th000 to 2,000 somewhere in there um awnings are a little bit more expensive typically considered in signage as well so especially you know the awning could be considered in here if they're actually putting their name on there so that's kind of the idea behind that so I guess I'll open it up Marie I don't I
know if you have any comments on this as well um yeah I mean just it it just comes down to like just getting getting it to look aesthetically where it needs to be so it looks like you know something where you want to spend time
and be coming to shop and that sort of thing I don't want to be like dragging down business owners I know it's it's expensive like signage is not cheap and a lot of times business owners are focused on like I just need to get people in the door um but I think if we can set up
like whether it's yeah just revising the zoning code to enforce that more and also just providing more resources to business owners of like how they can get signage that yeah is falling with more within kind of the parameters that we're wanting to see down there um yeah I
nobody wants yeah I it's it's it's it's a sticky situation because yeah again I know like how much it costs to to get like a decent looking sign but to make sure we're like continuing to make it look good downtown and in the in the
major corridors and making sure we're not like bringing down property values and that sort of thing it's just something business owners need need to be focusing on more um I guess my question is is like what is existing in the code now like that's enable and like
when it comes to like the vinyl signs and stuff like what's the what's like the permitting process like you I know you have to pay yeah yeah you still come through a perent process with a vinyl sign typically um you know you have some ey hooks or something that would actually put it on the building Darren would take a look at that there's not
much to look at with that and then you're really looking at um typically what's allowed in most commercial districts is 15% of the facade of the building is allowed for signage so it would meet that criteria and then we don't have any that says has to be made
out of wood or you know or this and that so that is something that could be added but right now it is not in the code um we'd have to work with the city attorney to figure out if you could retroactively um enforce something like that because typically you know when you create new code you grandfather things in until a
new signage would be put up um so we have to figure that out and and certainly um you know if you're restricting something like this but then also providing a grant you know that's something that you know could look good to businesses or help businesses so and I guess I'm okay with like vinyl signs
of it's like a temporary thing so if like something where they're just putting it up for an event or something like obviously we won't allow for that but yeah when it's like a vinyl sign that's just kind of stuck up on the building and is kind of serving as their permanent sign that's where I or maybe when they first move in they can have it
up for a month or something until they get permanent signs or you know like understand that when businesses are first getting up and running they might need some sort of temporary signage but yeah it's when it's there for y a longer period of time and I guess just like other aesthetic issues I have with um
some of the stuff I see just like around my business is um like storefronts that aren't like active retail like not just having like Signs where it's like sorry we're closed and they've been closed for like months or years and it's you know
how do you enforce that of like that's not really it's it's not an active storefront people are coming downtown that just attracts and looks like the downtown isn't thriving um so I I've seen some other examples of uh cities
where like if it's uh like a storefront that's up for rent um or if it's just sitting vacant for a long time you can do like you know like when you're in the mall and there's a businesses closed they'll put like signage or something up in the like a wrap or whatever so that
it's just it's not like you're looking into an empty storefront so that's something else I've seen too but yeah I guess that's getting farther away from the topic of signage yeah just how do we get it looking nicer and we're like attracting
businesses down there rather than like making it look like ohe this doesn't look like such a great place to set up shop because nobody seems to care about how things are looking but anyways uh I spoke to Aon how about uh
maybe like two months ago about this exact same conversation anybody's driven through Crosby lately their signage they figured it out over there so I was going to reach out to them to see what they did because they for sure have some version of signage protocol over there ordinance
over there so and they are it appears they are working retroactively because okay when you drive through over there they like every single building on the main downtown is threedimensional backlit no vinyl and and then there are some hand painted ones but they're more
of the ones that are done you know by like artists not just like a guy with a spray can right so uh I I'll I'll reach out to to the city over there and see what they've done I'm I'm not feeling like this is something we need to create ourselves there's other cities that have this
already figured out so maybe between we can do a little digging and see if there's some cities that have something that's pre that we could just roll out I what I always find like super frustrating about this whole conversation is like Aesthetics is like highly subjective one guy comes in he's
like my vyl sign looks awesome I have no problem with this one or that one and the next person looks at it's like that looks terrible and that subjectivity is really the part that is really really hard for working on the planning side and yeah the the design standard side is
just how do you have conversation people completely different of what looks good versus looks bad I say we do a little digging and um at some other cities they you get a chance in the metime drive through Crosby because they got it figured out yeah and I just want to Echo
your comments I've been in some communities with some very robust sign ordinances and I think they work very well and I do think that from my seat anyways I'm not on the board but I do think it's important to the city of brainer and the city's future to uh have
a pretty thoughtful holistic sign ordinance I do think it makes a big difference espe if we can get some money to it too I mean that's a huge help because I if you want to change the face of your city you have have to spend money so you can't always come up to the
wall of business don't have any money it look better you just somebody has to Bear the pain somewhere to make look better just cost money cost money sign cost money good you know Li um the only thing I want to add is I like everyone's opinion I want to have a
better view of brainer at large but I do want to make sure we have exceptions to a rule or um if there's an event going on that that's accepted like you can put parameters on
you can only have it up for 30 days or whatever I just don't want it to be we already have temporary signage in our assign ordinance those things can be added to that and amended so I just want to make sure that because there are circumstances where it's like ah brand new business or there's a special event
going on I don't sign [Laughter] so our sign or is actually pretty robust it's I want to say it's three or four pages long it's very pretty complex even sign companies have to call to kind of sort through that um because we have lots of different types of signs in
there but we what we don't have is literally any design standards so that's the part that probably really needs to be added most of our stuff is size width height size width location y think we have no obene colors we used to
I don't think we do yeah enforcement wise does it usually fall on like the business owner or like the property owner so like who are you finding or who well so any sign that gets put up is a building permit so um if they put one
without one you know most of the times they they're not aware of it so we send a letter a stop work order and then they have to go through that process um we never had to actually find somebody because they put up a sign we you know we work with them to to get them in compliance so you know if somebody put up a final sign
and they didn't and let's say they didn't want to follow the rules didn't contact us then it would be the citation process you're the business the owner yeah not the tenant not the tenant yeah all right anything else James you can help sounds good yeah
IDE okay commercial Child Care Centers yeah so um something that staff was looking at doing here and certainly wanted to get accomplished before this Workshop here was to tour um some Child Care um centers around town here we had
um just and uh s uh Paul Sandy come along with me Nick was there for two of them as well um so we did the YMCA childcare Center the new one that opened on Oak Street um we did a TCC head start on Oak Street as well kind of towards the end um of Oak Street there as you
get to closer to Casey's and then Stepping Stones which is by the the VA there so it was kind of a really nice range of of different types of childcare centers um Head Starts a federally funded program um and in the last uh couple years they've expanded into other areas Bethlehem Lutheran um and they've
opened a couple other sites and expanded their own building as well um to add additional child care slots um I think when they were in here asking from the city council and Planning Commission um they still have a pretty significant weight list um so there's still a need um for additional space from them um
then the YMCA um certainly the the Eda was a big part in in getting that one funded as well um through the D Main Street Grant I want to say probably $1 to $150,000 um was awarded to them by the Eda for the um that deed Main Street grant that that we had worked on a
couple years ago to get that project going um so it was great to tour that facility is something I hadn't seen before I was there for the groundbreaking but it nobody really went into the building so that was great to to see you know what that looked like after the remodel um and then Stepping
Stones we went to as well um as was just me and Justin on that one but that's a a pretty large facility I'd say one of our our largest commercial ones in the area um um certainly take care of a lot of children there uh what was interesting on that one is they're right next to the
Arboretum there and the kids um they spend probably half the day at the Arboretum so they'll try to get them out there to kind of do Active Learning active play out there so it was great to hear I know the the city council and the City of brainer does help fund the the ARB so it's great to hear that uh
Childcare Center a business and brainer was was heavily utilizing that that facility so um some of the things that we did here that were common issues um Staffing was is certainly an issue especially entry level positions um turnover burnout and wages um you had
to have certain ratios um within each room but still the ratios ratios are tough because it's you know each child care slot it's almost too expensive for parents at times but what the the the I guess the rate that they get for that child care slot is not enough to pay um
some of their employees wages comparable to you know certain other jobs within the city um so that's something that we kind of consistently heard from each one of these uh um locations also um losing staff to federally funded or state funded Child Care Centers so typically you know you have commercial would lose
it to maybe federal funding programs like a Head Start Head Start could lose it to um the school district um so you know um kind of hearing that uh one of the tougher ones were some of these commercial child care centers um also to open a new child care center or expand
there's a lot of State permitting licensing requirements a lot of uh fire code requirements for that so it can be quite costly um to expand child care or open new centers um so you know these places are always looking for uh places that they can partner with churches are often ones that they'll they'll approach
and I think of most of the churches in this area are are utilizing that helping Trinity is one of them as well that uh has has large numbers of of children that uh attend that Child Care Facility um some of the other things um you know from the the commercial Child
Care Center not a lot of major return on investment for childcare centers um you know a lot of breaking even each month and trying to figure out um and navigating that between wages food and all that type of stuff so certainly difficult in that aspect um and then trying to balance you know increase in
in tuition versus are you going to lose those kids or not so definitely a balancing um act for them and then um yeah I already mentioned difficulty finding space uh for rent that meets licensing requirements so um I know Head Start they're always looking for new spaces but there's pretty limited space
available that that's going to easily meet the conditions of the of the fire code and building code um so with that I um kind of put together all the ones that I had found in here uh again we reached out to five um area Child Care Centers and brainer two or three of them
uh I know we have a lot of things that we're working on here between signage uh um and facade Improvement Grants we got the Washington Street project so I don't know where you know considering future grants for childcare expansion would come in um maybe that's you know a couple years down the road um something
for the Eda to consider um but one thing that uh staff is kind of recommending here is similar to the river to rails District eliminating sack and whack and all permit fees for child care centers and Brainard um so I think that'd be something that uh would certainly be helpful there's a lot of cost that goes
into to a new facility or expanding a facility and that'd be one way that uh city of brainer could help so with that I'll open it up to questions I don't Justin if you have anything you want to add or Nick yeah the biggest issues I saw heard over and over and over were regulations
in facilities um codes commercial kitchens it's just it's very very hard to get a good Roi from a lay person listening to all of them talking it seemed very hard to get a good Roi within this industry because you're just so hamstrung by a lot of
things and that's not something really we can control the city because that's no we can betterly controlled yeah and it's not $200,000 a year as the Eda not some of the load on taxes
if it even trickles to that y we have another facility coming in I don't remember how many child care spots are in yeah so that's going to be a significant project so um and that's all sack and whack has been eliminated on
that I'm pretty sure not on um essentially deferred on that one yeah so we gave a lot of braks on Ur a lot of there lot of it is until they're operating yeah that building permit before any of this would get through that building permit would probably be issued um I guess it'd be up to city
council if they wanted to retroactively take that off or not but it you know certainly wouldn't be sack and whack for the entire facility it would just be for the child care portion speaking to sack and whack forgiveness I find for the YMCA Washington Street Corridor places that have 14in Pip buil up capacity to
double or triple inside you're talking development like country man there's literally no pipes there money to put the pipes in exactly with the Country Manor we we're going to have to yeah we're going to have we're going to upgrade that booster system to be able to to make that work yeah right so
that's that's for that's for cost to make sense instead of dinging everybody down to pay for country man y country man pay for other even if it's deferred it's but as long as it's getting paid for so maybe you know potentially maybe it's just you maybe just build building
permits that could be an option too on the child on the childcare yeah if it's not sack and whack through the whole thing maybe sack and whack is still just the central business district um because we do have the new projects and the um the large pipes for that one and then you know potentially maybe it's
just building permits and and well then zoning permits as well so I don't know what your guys' thoughts are on that permitting fees it is yeah if it's if it's a new one you know you're looking at um you know million
doll $500,000 facility $20,000 $30,000 something like that the school district paid us half a million dollars for their $150 million construction River to rails it's basically nothing right River to rails is you take away 150,000 so you could
also you know emulate what we have there you take $150,000 off the valuation so if you were to just do say a tenant buildout you're probably going to be looking well I I want to say the YMCA was still in that 700 to a million
dollars just to do that project um to to remodel everything um so you know some smaller sites like uh Bethlehem that was and and I know when TCC expanded there two um building those were under $100,000 so if you're doing a couple
rooms um or doing a small space you're probably looking at you know that $100,000 range but if you're doing entire remodel of a new facility you're probably more in that million dollar range going up every day yeah so I don't know I don't know what your guys thoughts are
um suppor of help and child care I don't think this yeah we could make a suggestion to the city council or something like that on and whack or something like that so in kind services something where we can help them without working out money out
of our pocket right that could be a case by case basis it's part of a giant project again like country man fac I don't think we had Annie's on there is that just outside of town or is that in still
inin oh it's at CC campus okay okay helps a little bit but yeah I think by case basis they want come St can kind of come back to us give us options
on I don't think they're that's not maybe the biggest issue yeah yeah so so kind of what I'm hearing is maybe no no policy for it not bringing back any type of you know $150,000 and fees or waved or anything
like that it's more of a case by casee basis is that I feel like we should craft some kind of a body to this because every like every instance is going to be a little bit different it could be a small facility in an existing building that's already there you got new construction with country man those two aren't really
analogous to each other yeah it could be something similar to River Trails where you know land use permits are are waved as well as $150,000 in construction value and then part of the policy you know you could come to the Eda and and ask for additional funding if you know
if needed that could be a potential what you guys thoughts are on that that'd be my that'd be my leaning is something more applicable to every app they just whatever box they check for scope of
work okay well I'll start working on that y I'll dra I'll draft something and then yeah it can either be you know amended um done a little bit differently or just you know don't really like look like the look of it so so the idea here is we've got like a list of items where we could
potentially put some money here so I'm going to just ask the group how do we want to score this um how do we want to craft way to say what's more important to us than the other certainly one thing we could do is we could take this sheet we could put our names at the top just everyone fill out their own sheet and
score one through six what's most important to them important have somebody tally it and that might spit out some results for us what the group might be leaning for if you and the last one though is the facade Grant we haven't really gone over that yet yeah yep so but I think that
could be a good idea um just to kind of figure out where the priorities are um facade Grant included the pictures there's one that still hasn't been done yet um certainly I think the one that was on Washington Street there had a pretty big impact for look um I know Marie could um could maybe talk about what that business is in there some type
of laser yeah I actually yeah I'm not I haven't visited them since they rid it I just it's kind of funny because I happen to be like looking at that location when I was up for rent just cuz I was curious and I just happened to mention to the VIS to the building on I'm like yeah
there's an Eda GR in now to see it done it's yeah I think it I think it worked really well the the system went worked really well as it first come first serve um you know so there wasn't scoring or anything like that on it um the one if if I were to recommend a tweet
probably be this one so this is industrial it still was a facade it was a landscape um but you know in the future do you have a requirement that maybe 50% of that should be vegetation shrubs and trees yeah so how much money did we give this one um say 2,000
something like that it wasn't it wasn't the 5,000 so that's that's where I picture like you know maybe for you know elegible cost trees and shrubs have to be at least 50% of the cost something like that um to to really have some type of landscape standards with
it so with that um yeah we'll open it up going to the land oh yeah yeah I was just going to say with the Landscaping like that would not work functionally to add any Landscaping to that last no it wouldn't it wouldn't you know but it might it hinder yeah you wouldn't want
to you know add shrubs but so then it would maybe disqualify a project like that so I think in my opinion the facade Grant is is really meant to really enhance businesses and not just be functional soic yeah yeah so I
think you knowed some good projects in town sort of doing it again I think it goes hand in with the Improv signage and I think we should get that ordinance hammered out before we figure out what it is we want people to do with
their facades and then offer a grant for them to do what it is we want instead of throw a bunch of money at facades and then say wait know we want we wanted you to do this yeah what you just did now doesn't meet our new right so I think I think we start with getting those standards in place and then comb those I
think they're the same thing the facade and the signage so facade we've worked on quite a bit um you know I I think we need to maybe tweak what what that Grant um is maybe eligible for again kind of relook at that and see if we want to tweak that
a little bit um you know before just moving forward with it and we could bring that to the next next meeting but yeah I think that's a good idea um you know really trying to put money towards signage this year and that to get hammered up because I'm just wondering like do we get that squared
away and then because I would like to see the facade Improvement Grant just kind of channed into the Washington Corridor so I don't know if if we hold those funds and just have a bigger pot of funds for when the Reconstruction projects happening and then weend time
getting those ordinances and stuff figured out that's kind of dire I'd like to go I know there is some discussions though about potentially increased um design standards along like Washington Street I know Kevin you kind of brought that up as well so that could be that
could be potential I got a lot of stuff on my plate so I haven't really gotten anywhere with it yeah I know we've talked about that a little bit kicking around an idea that our Corridor zonings our Gateway zonings would have to meet a little higher a different threshold for they they
already have a little bit but you know still it's maybe not enough enough um to what we what we're looking for and I think that it's Rel sorry I think that it's relatively important the timing is important because what I see happening is with the parking being removed off 210 a lot of what is currently front
doors is now going to become a back door so my leaning is long term what's going to happen is these businesses that used to have parking on 210 are going to now put their business entrances off of Kingwood or off of the backside and the roadside is now going to become the offices in the backside and that's going
to turn into solid signage that's one of my concerns with all of those 210 businesses that enter off of 210 well will not be doing that anymore most likely they won't be asking customers to park in the back walk around the block and come in they're going to redo their buildings to come a lot of it's already
that way a lot of it is like the the pond shop this The Shoe Shop they're going to be losing all that parking right through yep those are all going away so um my concern is is that we should bead of back we we already do have some glazing requirements and that type of thing so
that's Duncan had to put in more glass than what they wanted to put in on you know for instance they had to they had to do a little bit more design standards than what would be typical in some other areas but it I think it could be improved as well I guess we explain businesses that they're widening the sidewalk so we're hoping that it's going
to be moreable and also ining access to theik Trail so we hoping we're getting more traffic so I would hope we're communicating that so that on the it be the hope but I I I mean we see it all the time when we went through
like parking lot work people won't walk literally 50 feet they don't have to right it's just yeah and the sidewalk widening on that side of the street is right it's a net side block widening this side
currently has six feet this side currently has 2et we're go to six feet six so the north side is might gain to eight but it's not going to be much different on that side it's more the south side of Washington really
side but I Eric with the second ER of the small cities that you focus on residential but a lot of times some commercial so we can include that into like a facade program so we successfully combined the
faad the and all into one I I just have one comment like I love everything that we're doing here um but there's a couple industries that are not being Focus focused on and that's the industrial like obviously
this is priority with what's going on Washington Street reconstruction but I don't want to leave out the indust areas that need assistance as well that have a lot of employees that are hired there buildings might not be beautiful
but they hire a lot of people versus a retail that has maybe so I don't know if that's a discussion for now but I maybe in the future we should start looking at because we want those big hubs coming in
yep as well so we maybe we should start looking at something that that way too Focus number one but we need to bring in that I age but I think that we're attracting these bigger businesses to come here they're want to see an
active some place where they want to relocate employers are want to live so that's why I kind of feel like the priority needs to be on yeah on the corridor and just getting that improved and hopefully that will attract attract
those businesses I given theht but I absolutely agree you and Eda is doing things Lis Industrial Park sites and we're trying to attract but I think there's more we should be doing especially with the
not the industrial well the industrial park I don't have a vote on all this but the industrial park the roads are ter back there the UPS space out there those people are parking wherever and whenever they want it's it's chaos back there you know which is I think but I would tell
you 40% of your city employees are employed back there big picture that's for me I yeah I don't have a vote in this but I agree with Tony there's there's a lot to I'm out there a lot and it's it's rough back
there yeah yeah it ISS are yeah it's a tough thing because we have limited money so you we're going to we're the people that are charged with trying to make the biggest impact with the money that we have what is the biggest change we can
make well I agree with you because everyone pays into all this money the entire city when we expanded the um facade we expanded that into the Comm into the industrial district it was it was Citywide Citywide and I the idea
there is everyone's paying into it everyone should be eligible for it brought that so we got one industrial yeah we got a sidewalk right so so so you could look at that and say well you know that didn't really that isn't really what we were hoping would happen but technically you know well it's
helping people be safe too like there's a sidewalk yeah it has added to the yeah usability of the site so yeah I agree Washington because of what's going on that's priority number one but I don't want us to forget about the industrial because that's how
we can start pulling new businesses that aren't necessarily in the corridor but they add to the corridor yeah maybe you know maybe because of the washingt industry project you really focus in the next couple of years um on that part of it but through
that as as we kind of get that laid out we start coming up with ideas for you know what's after that that Washington Street project and yeah maybe it's targeted industrial areas indust there's not a there's not a ton more than I can think of that
we work force housing is Big that's my opinion that is the bottleneck in our city is the workforce housing if you own a company that's going to have 300 employees about relocating to any City the very first thing you do is where my workers going to
live we have we we we are dramatically under and the big reason that a lot of this Workforce housing there's nothing I would like to see moreart we have I mean we can build apartment buildings in some of those commercials we've kind of set those up but some of those I think that maybe
people just don't know and if the housing isn't there the business doesn't want the business wants to see the housing there's already a need for it so we should approve most housing projects that come up yeah me and Eric um you know we we all developers approaches
from time to time we drive them around the entire city um showing them our available sites uh seems what they most attracted to are ones that are um potentially easier sites to build on and then closer to amenities so you know we show them the industrial park we let
them know that you know you could potentially get this at a very discounted rate but it's not next to the amenities bike trail parks that type of thing so you know they pretty you know it's pretty fast when they kind of zero in on the areas that they're looking at I know one that I'm going to be working really hard in this year is the the one
um that's owned by the school district North of Buffalo Hills Park trying to figure out what we can do with that um so there's a couple contractors um that are looking kind of for the next project um both level Contracting and um Tom dean of of Northtown so certainly going
to try to be working with them on on potentially doing something with that that piece of land because that one is that one is attractive to some of the developers that have come through soth there's still quite a bit of land yeah and Tom Tom Dean has been
buying up they were owned by some other people so he's been buying up okay y some of the ones that were owned by others closer to Wise Road yeah I think those will be probably the last one that's kind of more of an association oh you're talking about the available land just the the land there's there's
been streets there I work work there for the original developer back in 2006 so yeah the one that's close to Beaver Dam Road yeah yes yeah so that's like an association um maybe I'll talk to Tom Dean to see if he does have plans
on any of that area right there um there was some that's kind of up in the north in the cisac areas that were owned by other people and he has been buying those up to to develop y okay just expound on that a little bit the reason that those developers typically look for those amenities or
Trails it's when they're looking to get grant funding or or some of these low-income housing tax credits are just tax credits because when you're closer to Trails or closer to downtown that's when you start to to get more points for those
applications um you know again we as a city as as a community if we talk about tax credit projects I think those are a little bit different than market rate projects and and there there will be differing amounts of support for either either or
for those those different developments um you know certainly from the h side of things number one we we certainly like to see R development and if Redevelopment is market rate we're happy to push that forward but obviously the majority of what we do is try to to
house the the lowest of income earners and certainly look at tax credit projects as something that are very viable in the city but again that there is a a little bit of a competing interest on market rate versus tax credits the tax credits they they're
going to get better points if they're closer to downtown areas closer to walkability closer to amenities market rate can really kind of go to that Green Field um where it's easier for them to develop uh they're getting that private financing or they've got you know a little bit easier financing PA so it's a
it's a delicate mix um which I do think could be interesting you know obviously the state of Minnesota has had lots of money devoted this the last two years so developers we're probably looking for that those areas rather than you know the other areas but I don't I think that money is really going to dry up and
right the workforce housing development program that was the the last year was their biggest year and and now they're back to two million bucks a year that's that just doesn't impact the Statewide uh need for housing um but you know understand that developers are still
still very much looking at you know we we had one developer I know that that was developing up in the duth area so they weren't looking as much on the grant side of things from the statea they were looking at well what does the city have to offer for Landa what's that you tell them about
Trail side we yeah we so we we we have that included in there as well um I think right street is also a potential personally so trailze concept plan is going to help kind of BPU figure out its infrastructure we are getting close in that area um to really needing some
major upgrades to to to do some type of major development in that area so um Country Manor while not maxing it out um to do something very large up in that area is probably some significant upgrades for for water pressure I agreed Workforce housing is a
huge thing well however we're talking you know is it Workforce is it market rate is it tax credit we know there's a huge impact on on deel Vel M and economic development you know it's a little bit cliche to say that that housing is economic development but it
is certainly on the Forefront if if you're if you're not getting uh enough housing for potential workers it's pretty difficult to get that but yeah I think again um we're looking at for sure trying to do a round table this year um I talked to Jennifer about this rather
than a business Round Table um doing a developer round table and getting Tom Dean Monty there some of the other ones that I know in town that are some of our smaller developers that are doing infill just to let them know about you know one of the things that we're working on with the Eda that that's going to get done
this year is allowing people to put their own property kind of up on a map saying that hey it's available contact me maybe it doesn't have to be listed by a realtor but is still on this page um you know we're going to be mailing out um things to landlord saying you have potential development opportunities um
also letting you know kind of infill developers know about that but I think I do think there's uh and one that I really be working on is that Buffalo Hills one so we'll see if we can you know I do think Monty and both Tom Dean are interested in that one so is that currently Parkland has it been um it is
zoned Parkland right now so it would have to be rezoned park has to give it is um so yeah so park would have to be okay with some type of switch or land swap um preliminarily seemed like it might work but yeah there'd be some details have to be worked out cuz right now there really is money or the city
get the money well the part that is still Woods was never dedicated it was the the park the park was the city gets the park part that's actually a park that's develop was dedicated to the
parks but the woods next to it that's that that wasn't dedicated there's 20 acres north of it yeah so really the best access point is going to be on that east side of of Buffalo's Park where we have trees right now Monty and Tom looking at building
the typ products they've been building M potentially you know I kind of Flo around the ideas of duplexes you know romes maybe forp plexes that type of thing so something created a little bit more density my feeling is you could probably weigh in on this a little bit but single
family dwellings is becoming almost if unless if it's at market rate it's dead almost dead INF yeah infill you're not seeing impossible unless it's one by one one family ordering their own house a spec a build yeah spec build or something like that but as as
speculatively sale nobody's basic single family sell so that's why you're seeing in the Metro it's all multi-unit 28 32 4 unit right now we are seeing a lot of duplexes on our kind of 50 by 150 Lots
um you know a number of them have come before um city council and the Planning Commission um you know with the one person on Chicago um their idea was to have it split down the center so they can start out renting the property make some money on that have it as an investment and then later sell each unit
individually to families so that could be something used in the future so yeah I think we got about 25 minutes left yeah um so now kind of figuring out you know where our priorities are yeah and I'm totally open to how we do this do we just keep talking through it do we score it
somehow or however I think right we combined some of these in this discussion and the facade Grant Improvement what did we spend 20,000 last year 22 yeah just over 20,000 there is to to maximize all five projects I
want and then there was $2,000 from blade for the administration part of it okay I think that could go in either direction I think we could spend more on that if we wanted to there's there's the Washington Street mitigation plan super
expensive pay for the whole thing that's the whole budget but we got to ship in somewhere we start at saying 50% of that we want to help cover and that number can go up or down from there based on that might come
in then that that whole project could be scaled up or down it's kind of a two-year commitment so if we do that in the first year do we do we feel like it's going to be this the same need in the second year or do we feel like we're going to make this big push in the front on the first year push a bunch of money
to this and then the second year is going to be kind of coasting off money spent yep 100% okay I don't know if we can put a exact number on itday can't we could we could just say yeah we're going to pay $90,000 right now
and, well we still have to keep 100 in reserve so what do the I would say you have to at least probably keep the 50 you know it probably better to keep 70 in reserves somewhere in the middle um spend it all we just have to borrow the money
from um if you did half of if we committed to say We'll potentially half of that 4,000 I'm going to ask the money of the I'm going to ask the question of the three city council members that are sitting in this room would you rather have this and I
mentioned this to to James when we on the phone would you rather have this funded portion of this funded by the Eda or by the city I just I asked the question just because is this how you want to use the
eda's money or is this a project that the city itself should somehow support and when you're talking yeah whether it's 10,000 20,000 whatever the number is is it better served as funding that should come directly from the
city's budget because of the impact that it's going to have on the city or is it we have PF chair right here it's the same pot of money right whether it's not my my answer would depend on what Joel says because c a city cannot fund a
chamber of commerce so are is this legally considered funding a chamber of commerce or is this a program happened to be run by the Chamber of so the city may not be able to that's a good point depending on what the attorneys but the Eda gets their
money from city right so ta so so you know last year um we kept the Ed kind of level um so there is options to you know to kind of backfill what's being taken out of the general fund by increasing the amount that the Eda essentially
receives from same pot of money right so Eda can spend more city of brainer could move more money to the Eda right we could make that 220 aximum but I I think the the city
counciling this is a lot small what are we going to spend are weend $100000 we got if we got this thing nailed down and we really got a good sign ordinance in place and we said
all the way up to1000 so may yeah what I'm maybe kind of hearing is you know somewhere maybe around that 404 for the um 210 yeah for the 210 maybe around that 20 again for the facade for this year we have that program kind of ready to go with maybe
some tweaks um and then the signage we still have to work through maybe that's kind of a component for 2026 we work through what our design standards are going to be this year and then have you know kind of work in the winter time about some type of grant program for the following year for facade and signage and in 210 then we kind of look at how
you know we maybe want to kind of budget these throughout those this year 2026 and 2027 and come up with some type of budget memo for that child care is more incentives on the tax that's more just permitting y just creating a policy for that and and having the Eda review
it yes but I'm still a no one spend have design standards agreed so yeah we we fast that fast as we can go okay iby has I'll pull it I'll pull it today and
see what they got call so what I've good luck what I kind of heard I know a couple guys there's not a city administrator I know that but I know I know the guy who knows the guy so they use so twice we've had the
Minnesota design team come in Crosby and Minnesota design team did help with a lot of those design standards so that is part of it they came in 2010 and they just were there last summer that's the document I'm looking for I know it exists so we have it yeah you have it 100% I have it you just save me some
work today can I give it to James 100% yep I told you I'd take care of it I didn't want to jump in too early but yes we Fast Track that good so send it to you what I'm hearing is that the sign Improvement is number one number two is
the facade number three is Washington Street um for the Reconstruction and then number four is the mitigation plan that's what I that's what I'm hearing is the structure is that correct
I would have voted Washington Street mitigation plan one improveed sign a one B whatever and then what's the money we're putting towards the Washington Street mitigation plan we need to look at the numbers at our next Mee we can look at the numbers at our next meeting um and you want
seems like around that 40 number and see yeah we can see how that works out kind of see yeah it kind of seems the way it's going is well you know we're working through um some ordinances here so you know where does that line up with construction season and then bringing it back to the Eda for Grants and stuff you
know does this $119,000 in excess just go into the general fund for again kind of maybe more of a robust program for 2026 and 2027 um we'll that kind of remains to be seen so we'll we'll kind of figure out where everything lines up on that you know the F facade Improvement Grant um
you know by the time we have our next June meeting um the ordinance probably won't be ready by then um so then you're looking at you know you know the September meeting and now that's kind of past construction season for facades and signage so you know does that money then
get rolled over into um kind of the next year unless we were to hold a special meeting I would be I would be durru so you're saying have a get get everything worked out so it seems like get everything worked out this year and
then have that excess $199,000 pulled into the money for the 2026 and 2027 project but at the same time if the city council agrees cost on all that still do the same program as last
year I think maybe we do hold back or or we just make that pr2000 restrict a but I I would lean in more towards just putting more money towards it next year same
time a lot of that depends on whether or not hypothetically we don't get the facade and the signage through ordinance that's going to take time we would have a direction of where we're going is there a way to incentivize and say when people come in to do a sign say hey look this is our current ordinance this is
the way we're going there's potentially if if you can get more towards where we're going there may be is there a way we can incentivize that with some of the funding say okay people are going to go more the direction we go they get they're more eligible towards the main
fund if if somebody puts in a sign this year that meets the standards of whatever that is they back we could backload it next year % potentially one thing and sign not sure if anybody here
Association New York they've had Grant programs for redevelopment they lost all their industry when the shipping industry was beat out by the train so they've been dealing with this a lot longer than we have but they have a grant Organization for facade improvements in residential
areas at homes and they don't just give grants to a home here a home there they require blocks to get together talk to each other if you can get four homes on one block to paint your house this summer we'll give you each 2,000 so I think if we could do that with our commercial and Industrial facade
Improvement or Sage Improvement and say hey we get or on this block we'll give you all I like how they do it because it is impact in one region what was it called the oo ASO yor I don't think it would take us long
to get the general where we're going I'm pretty sure we're going to be able to just it make a few twe to it if you want to work with us again we'd love it we can and everything's said we can we can turn it we can make the tweaks as you see them and we can have it turned on I think you know I think the good
thing is yeah you know simple again maybe this year working you know through you know the next few months here kind of through the summer getting everything lined up that way um when mindock kind of has everything ready to go know exactly you know kind of the timelines and where things are getting shut down
um these businesses are going to be ready to go at you know January 1st to look at these um you know St Improvement Grants all that type of stuff so they're ready to go when construction season starts so it's not uh you know if you roll the grant out in June it you know it kind of leaves businesses scrambling
trying to line contractors up before construction season ends so if you can get this ready for January 1st of next year let's say um or even sooner it it allows businesses to plan a little bit better summer is the construction seon okay
okay think I got I I feel pretty Goodbody have anything else thank you very much looking for I guess we need work yeah thank you