--------- We will call to order a uh safety and public works meeting here tonight. It is uh November 17th, 2025. Uh Mr. Ericson is not present, so I will be uh standing at the helm. Do do my best here. And I have Mr. Chzok with us here. So uh we just have three items on our agenda for
tonight. Our first item is the approval of change order number uh three uh for the right uh right 10th Street uh reconstruction project. Uh Mr. Dean, please. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, uh, we have a change order request for some time and equipment. Uh, the contractor on the
right and tenth reconstruction project had to expend to protect some potentially contaminated materials on the project, uh, until they could be tested and, uh, handled appropriately after the test results were found. Um, we did find that they were under the limits that we, uh, needed to
essentially haul out. So, we were able to reuse it on site. Um, but this is just for time um equipment for the extra work that we had them do. >> Understood. Thank you. Do you have any questions, Mr. Chzock? >> Was there contaminated soil? >> It was under the limits that uh require
us to haul that out to a a specific site. >> So, when when did this what date was it discovered or suspected to be contaminated? >> Uh, I don't have the exact date >> approximately. >> It would have been in September. I couldn't tell you exactly.
>> Okay. Okay. Um, so, uh, yeah, I mean, it was like roughly 5,000 and change, right? >> Correct. We had our staff review the hours and equipment to make sure that it was appropriate for the amount of effort that they actually put into that material.
>> And how many hours again? >> Four and a half with the crew. >> Okay. Four and a half. And then the cost is based on the time m uh the uh equipment use and all that. Is there any uh removal or re re uh
moving anything like the soil that was removed or how how does this I I didn't honestly I didn't look at the change order too closely. So >> nope. It is it's just an hourly rate for each uh crew member on the job as well as the equipment that was on the job. So there's not additional uh cost beyond
what pretty much the hourly rate for the equipment and uh labor was. >> Okay. Thank you. 5,000 and 5300. Okay. >> Yes. Correct. Uh and Mr. Chzach, the work was uh was found to be in accordance with our spec with the specification 1402 uh for extra work. So
>> and this is on the right street project, right? >> Correct. Okay. All right. I'm not going to make a motion. I'm just going to ask that we bring it to council. >> Okay. So, uh, we will not take action on this one here. We will just bring this to council and, uh, we'll be seeking
council action on this at our >> I'll give you a brief explanation. >> Absolutely. >> Um, we had a change order in front of us at our last meeting. um not related to this project, but a project that the contractor was working on and uh our committee uh three uh members voted to
grant the um change and three members of the council did not. Our mayor broke that tie, I believe, is how it went. >> I believe you're correct. >> And I uh so I want to kind of uh gear a informal discussion kind of in regard to that. So that's why I'd ask we just
bring it there instead of approving anything here right now. >> Very good. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And with that, uh, we will move on to item number two. Uh, this is the consideration for the high-teex proposal for the city hall annex building. I believe Mr. Habagor, you're going to give us kind of a rundown here. This is
probably a uh an item that has a greater discussion uh as uh as a potential ending here as well, but Mr. Habagor, please give us a rundown. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Hi-tech has completed their proposal to provide uh improvements for the annex. It has been confirmed that we have $160,000 al
allocated for this for these uh improvements. Attached is high-tech proposal and the completed uh we're looking for the exterior of the building. We want to button that up and also complete some critical infrastructure such as electrical fire
alarm uh services. If we use the Gordian program with Sourcewell, we'll start the improvements this year. We could start the improvements this year as Gordian is has already completed the bid process and awarded and has awarded qualified contractors for the entire state of of
Minnesota. The cost to use the Gordian program for the annex uh improvements will be $13,56. With a Gordian program, change orders are controlled by that bid process because they've already been uh uh
vetted through the Gordian process. If the city completed the bid process, Woodsth, we would use Woodsth as they've already been involved with the annex. They'd charge X number of dollars. I've reached out to them. I've emailed them. They're working on a proposal to give us
what they would charge to build a scope of work for the contractors to bid on the work. staff would then solicit uh contractors for the bid. The city council would award the contractor and the project would start March April of 2026 and then further any change orders
would be submitted by the contractor to move forward. Using the Gordian program with Hi-Tech as a contractor, city council would award the main bid proposal with the general requirements, windows, existing furnace startup, and
the electrical fire alarm for a total of $155,249. It is recommended that any mechanical work be delayed until occupancy is determined. This is verbiage from the subcontractor, the mechanical subcontractor. So, I quote, [sighs] "If
this is all that they want to do is keep the air from being stagnant, they would they could scra scratch the entire HVAC system upgrade along with the AC units. The two furnaces that service the upper level are new with newer AC units to go
with them. Being they serve the upper level with the majority of the where the heat is, the air could move around the building and sink downstairs. we where we could leave the two existing furnace fans running to help move the air around the building. As long as there the building is not occupied until you find
out what the plans are for the annex, it would be best to hold off on the on the HVAC's modification depending on the number of tenants, office space, etc. the HVAC would need to be enlarged or totally redone at that time and anything that we do right now may not meet the
requirements of the remodel and therefore the money may not uh be uh well spent. So recommendations moving forward, there's a couple options for the city council to uh review and uh consider. One is to select Gordian process and award the high-tech
improvements with the following bid proposal. The original bid proposal is $155,249 plus we would recommend the the first ad alternate which is the subf flooring for $2,800
for a total of 158,049. The other option is to direct staff to hire Woodsaffth to develop a scope of work for bidding and then solicit a contractor for the annex improvements. Another option is direct staff to schedule a special meeting workshop to
determine the future of the building annex. And with that, James, Jesse, and I could take any questions that you have. >> Couple. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Haborst. Yes, please, Mr. Chaz. >> So, if we hired Wits, they would essentially
be doing the um estimate of what the work would cost, right? >> Correct. >> So, that has not been done or is that was that Gordian? I mean, see, this is where I get a little confused on this. Um, we never really had an estimate for this work. Is that correct?
>> We didn't have an estimate, but we had a proposal from Woodsth with old numbers and they would update that and then get more specific numbers with that. Jesse, is that about correct? >> Yeah, the the numbers were very
preliminary in the facility study. um they would get more refined as you refine the scope of work um and they can kind of narrow that down. Uh what you have before you with the proposal from high-tech, I believe that pricing is going to be under the Gordian uh system. Uh that's generally the scope of work
that you're looking for. So, it's kind of a horse of >> what what confidence can I or the rest of the council have in that that price being that there is really no estimate by any engineering staff that we've hired other than something that's
essentially quite outdated, right? Um that I guess that's where my concern lies with this. I mean, I know we've done this with the library is currently underway, right? Or is that is that >> our final walk through is next? I want to ask you, you've been on top of that, right? >> As much as I can. Yeah.
>> What What's your thought on this? What I what I'm talking about. Do you see any kind of similar concern at all? >> Uh, well, here's here's how here's how I look at it. And I when when I when the Gordian system that entire mindset or that system was first brought to me, I I really had a lot of the similar concerns
mostly h having to do with the competitive marketplace and and how do we know that we're really getting a comp competitive bid. >> What happens is is the competitive bid process happens before the project is even born. And that's what's really unique about the system in that what the
Gordian system does is it breaks down every identifiable scope of work and then it asks our building partners to then uh attach a price to that scope of work of which then they build this entire catalog that says you get a
replacement of a toilet for this dollar and they compare company to company to say okay how much do they charge to replace a toilet? How much does this company charge replace toilet and so on. So the advantage of this system is it streamlines the entire scope of work
creation paying an outside service to go through a project, identify the scope of work, create the plans, create the project and put it into a document that then we can slide across a table to two or three competitive builders. This system skips that entire step. All you
really have to do with the Gordian system is just is just agree on a scope of work. You open up the book, there's the price, it's already been competitively priced, and you move on with your project. >> And so, whatever, >> if I did I summarize that right, guys? >> Correct. Okay. >> So, whatever contractor, is it up to
Gordian decide hi-tech is going to do this, or is it up, is there any kind of competitive process in that, >> Mr. Habigor? Yes, we do have Gordian here and also Paul from Hi-Tech. And I just want to add that Hi-Tech was on site with all their subcontractors and
they have very specific bids to improve I mean all the windows, all the the fire alarm system. So that price to fix this annex to button up the window and all the exterior stuff is dialed in and uh so this the prices when you indicate
Councilman Jezach about you know how are we con how are we with the accuracy of these numbers? Hi-tech is just was there last month and they've dialed that in. So with that I can again if you have any specific questions for Hi-Tech or Gordian they're present.
>> No I my question was more about how is the contractor chosen because there's more than one. Right. >> Correct. And so Gordian and I correct me if I'm wrong sir is they already they open it up to everyone in the state of
Minnesota. those regions and they say, "Okay, who would like to be part of our system as far as qualified uh contractors to bid on services?" >> Okay. So, was there more than one besides high-tech? >> Yes. Well, we do have multiple to choose from in this area. >> More than one that approached Gordian
besides high-tech. That's a question for Gordian. >> We're going to p if it's if if it's okay, can I have you come up to the podium, please? just state your name and then I think we uh you can get us through this uh with a higher degree of rapidity here. >> Sure. Thank you very much for your time.
My name is Chris Arens. I am senior account manager with Gordian. And just a couple points of not to get too deep in the woods, but this is a program through Sourcewell. Sourcewell has the legislative authority to negotiate the contracts on your behalf um under the
joint powers clause. And so Sourcewell followed all the hoops that you would normally have to follow if you were going to you were going to uh bid on a major or go out to bid on a major project because every construction project is unique. That's where Gordian gets involved. Gordian is the worldwide
leader in construction cost data. So they use our data set for the bid and what the contractors do. The only clarification is the contractors are all working off the same data set. They develop competitive adjustment factors and then submit multipliers and they
submit that to Sourcewell. Sourcewell then has the authority to review those following all the procurement laws and then award contractors. So yes, there are several contractors awarded in this region with varying uh adjustment factors. >> It wasn't what I asked.
>> Well, no. So the the question you asked is is who decided you guys decide. You can decide who to which of the contractors to use with our input, but it's ultimately your your decision. >> But we have in front of us high-tech in partnership with you to do this work. How did high-tech get to be I got
nothing against high-tech. I'm just trying to understand the process. >> Yep. >> So that's one of the the benefits of this program is you can go directly to any one of the awarded contractors and I was not part of the original that decision-making, but there was a decision made. >> So that was a that was kind of our staff that worked with. Okay, that makes sense
>> as far as I understand. >> Okay. And would this be more uh kind of in line then if we're looking to get our local contractors involved? We'd probably feel see an advantage to having that happen as well through this rodeium program. >> Definitely because there are se there are a couple local but the bigger thing
is you can have those conversations with the general only the prime contractor needs to be the awarded contractor. So the subcontractors that work underneath that prime can be anybody they choose as long as they're willing to work within the pricing structure that the prime has already agreed to working with. But
that's a that's an issue between the prime and and the subcontract. >> So if the if the sub goes out of business, we're not stuck for paying for more money for that sub that costs that contractor more money. Are we like >> No, the the uh uh the actual construction contract is a is a is a regular construction contract in
whatever format the city and and high-tech are comfortable with. I don't know if you're familiar what I'm alluding to. >> Well, >> it's all right. It's all right. >> I think I might. >> My partner here does. He knows. We're good. Thank you very much. That helps me a lot.
>> Thank you. >> So, in the crux of it then, Jesse, Mike, um u would it be fair to say that staff went through the available contractors and decided high-tech might be a best fit for this? Is that correct? >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'm good. >> Okay. >> I'm good for questions.
>> Very good. Um, I I really have no questions here. I I don't know where you're leaning on this, Mr. Chzach, but um staff has presented three options for us. One is is to go ahead pull the trigger
on the uh annex work and on the 155,000. Uh the second option would be to hire Widsth to develop a scope and then go through competitive. And then the third option would be for us to have a discussion as a council of what do we want to do with this annex building before we pull the trigger on anything.
So that's kind of where we're at. Um my personal leaning is I feel like we should know what we want to do with this building before we spend any money on it. Um but that's that's just where I'm at on that one. >> Um what's the time sensitivity to this dollar price in front of us using
Gordian? Can anybody answer that? [clears throat] Is there an issue with uh delaying for a month or two? >> About 30 days. >> About 30 days that then things might change on the price. >> The bids are locked those numbers are locked in for for 30 days. Most most
construction stuff. >> Yes. >> So, we could see an increase if we wait 60 days. That's possible. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm leaning towards you. I'd like to move that we um if you're okay that we go go to council and determine a date to have a more of a discussion and then if the council would rather go something
opposite they can tell us as much. >> I will second that motion. We have any other discussion on that. Mr. Chzach. >> All right. Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Same sign. Very good. We will move on to our third item here which is active code
enforcement. Mr. Kramvvic uh can you give us the rundown on uh what is going on over here? >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Rosewood Street, please. >> Yep. So, staff is bringing one property before the committee uh for review tonight. Uh 1209 Rosewood Street has significant issues with their shingles.
Um obviously, you see a lot of deterioration and cupping. Um they've not contacted staff to make the arrangements, receive the 100, $200, $300 um citation. So, at this point, staff recommends sending a $300 citation every 30 days, which has been consistent
with our other recommendations for property maintenance issues. How much has been levied against or leveled against them as far as any up to this point? >> Um the $600. >> Okay. Boy, before long I could pay for a roof
>> uh or shingles. >> Today's world it'll be a while. >> Yeah. Well, it all adds up. Um if you have anything >> um I have uh I have nothing. >> I'll move to follow staff's recommendation and implement the $300 per month or week.
>> Every 30 days. every 30. >> I will second that motion. Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Same sign. And motion carries. And with that, uh, that will end our, um, lengthy [snorts] >> our length. We wouldn't have made it in 15 minutes. So, I don't feel so bad for
bringing everyone at 7:00. I would have if we had I hadn't been there, you would have. >> That's correct. Right. So, ultimately made the right choice on there. But, and that will end our uh, special meeting here. And, uh, we'll see you all at council. Thank you. Few hours Part: 2
Monday, November 17th, 2025, 7:30 p.m. in council chambers. Tony, please call the role. >> Jagger, >> yes. >> Erikson. >> Bevans, >> here. >> Chzach, >> yes. >> Johnson, >> here. >> Stunn. >> OD, >> here. >> Bedell, >> here. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Moving on to number four. We are looking for approval of the agenda.
>> So move second by Chzach, second by Bevans. Any discussion? [snorts] None. Let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. I. >> Against. Same sign. We have an agenda. Next, we have a consent calendar. This is a notice to public that all matters listed are considered routine by the council and will be enacted by one
motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless good cause is shown prior to the time the council votes on the motion to be adopted by roll call. >> Mr. Chair, >> Mr. Chzot, >> I'd like to uh approve the consent calendar with the uh removal of the task
manager for discussion after approval of the remaining items. >> All right. Task manager. >> That's in the reports. >> In the reports. Okay. Which where would you like to put that? >> Right. It goes right after our uh approval of this. Okay. Yep. Put that as
five.1. All right. Looking for uh >> second that >> motion by Chzach. Second by Johnson. Any discussion? >> Tony. >> Jagger. >> Yes. >> Beven. >> Yes. >> Chzach. >> Yes. >> Johnson. >> Yes. >> OD.
>> Yes. That motion carries. Next we we have the item of the task manager. Mr. Chzach. >> Yeah. You may remember that one of the reasons we asked for this is so that if things maybe look like they're falling through the cracks and um this is what we talked about when we approved this to
talk about it under consent or you know pull it off. So, I I just wondered uh there's a couple of items that we voted on directed staff and uh it had to do with the contacting Crowing County for the bus and the other item that I don't haven't seen on there yet is the
question to Baxter if they would consider their fair structure and that went along tonight that we voted to have the transit or the issue of the transit uh business plan come back and I believe that that could also that I don't
believe as excuse me, mentioned in there either. So, I just wanted to see um what the status of those will be and if it can get included or um maybe one or the other. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Broyals, >> I can I think I can talk to that
Councilman Chzach. Uh I did I have set up a meeting. I have to look at my calendar. I don't know know when exactly it is, but within the next week or 10 days with both Crowing County and Baxter to talk about transit, but I have not updated in the in the suspense tracker. So, I will do that.
>> Okay. That's um that's all I was looking for. So, >> okay. Anything else, Mr. Chzach? >> Yes. Do we have to vote on this being honest? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I would move to approve the suspense track. Y >> motion [snorts] by Chzach. Second by Bevans. Any discussion? >> Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All
those in favor say I. I. >> Same sign. I >> think you have to do a roll call. This is part of the consent. >> Okay. Let's do a roll call. Tony >> Jagger. Yep. >> Bevans? Yes. >> Jezach? >> Yes. >> Johnson? >> Yes. Yes. OD. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next up, we have number six. This is the public forum.
This is time allocated for citiz citizens to bring matters not on the agenda to the attention of the council. Time limits may be imposed. Looks like we have a half full house tonight. But might be here for something else that's already on the agenda. So, if you are here for something that's on the agenda
later in the meeting, just hold off for now. If you want to talk to the council or address something that is not on the council tonight, though, now is your time. So feel free to come up to the microphone. If you're online, press star three. That will raise your hand and
then we know you want to speak. I ask again if you're here to address the council on something not on the agenda. Please do so. Now >> just ask that you give us your name and address before you start. >> Uh Wall Daniel J. 423 Southeast 17th
Street. >> Welcome. Uh this I don't believe is on the agenda. Part of it part of it is I guess. Um my concern is u a discount was offered to us in June of 23 by the city council as far as the fees assessed and
street repairs because they had moved traffic off of Oak Street and we're sending semis down our street etc. And now here we're coming up on a bunch of street work and they're going to assess a bunch of money to us. And I want to remind the city council that they had
offered that some sort of discount. >> I do remember the discussion. >> Okay. >> Um I don't know I don't have a perfect answer for you right now. Um I think this has more to do with that item at at the end of the meeting where you're coming from. So
>> um but there are cards left by the city engineer right on that podium if you want to take one of those. uh he is more than willing to answer those questions about that tomorrow and that that'll come up to us again later. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anyone else that would like to come up
and address the council? Anyone online? >> Mr. President, [clears throat] >> Mr. Chz, >> if you understood what the gentleman was talking about, I I really am I I remember the street project and the detour. >> Mhm. >> But I'm not sure. Can you explain it to
us so I understand exactly where he was? >> Yeah, there was uh some of the residents on I believe it was >> Norwood >> Norwood Street took issue with the detour coming. I remember that there's a lot of truck traffic that was making its way through um might have caused extra
damage. Uh we had spoken about >> Oh, and we have that. Okay. And we have that project on our on our list of streets to do next year. Is that what he's talking about? There is work coming up on Norwood Street. >> That's okay. Now I understand. >> Okay, >> that's all I need. Thank you. >> Sure.
>> Okay. Last one more time if there's anybody that would like to address the for public forum. >> All right. We will close the public forum. It is 7:36. Next up, we have number seven. This is uh presentations. It doesn't look like
we have any presentations, do we? >> None listed. >> I'll give one. >> So, we'll move right on number eight. Uh council committee reports. First up, we have Safety and Public Works Committee and tonight's chairman, Kevin Jagger. >> Oh, thank you, Mr. Chair. All right, we have uh three items uh on our agenda
here tonight for safety and public works. The first item uh we decided in SPE uh in committee to take no action on. This is uh item for the approval change order number three for the right and 10th reconstruction project. Uh Mr.
Dean, perhaps you could just kind of uh give us the rundown here. uh on what this is and then uh we'll follow up with any questions. >> Jesse, go ahead. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh so the change order request is for time and equipment uh when city staff and and the contractor encountered some potentially
contaminated materials on the right street project. Uh by by rule, we need to essentially cordon off that material until it can be tested and determined uh for sure one way or the other. It did come out negative for the testing, so we were able to reuse the soils on site. Um
but it was extra work that we did direct the contractor to perform uh in this manner. So uh the the change order is compensation for the uh hours of labor and equipment uh to perform that extra work. Uh we did lock out that it was uh a negative test. So we didn't have to go
through uh much more substantial uh work to haul that material out. Um but we do have to um compensate the contractor for the extra work that we had them uh directed to do. Thank you, Mr. Dean. >> Mr. Jagger, anything else?
>> Mr. Chzach, >> Mr. Chzach, go ahead. >> Yeah. Um, I asked that this be brought to the full council for a couple of reasons. Um, [clears throat] what Mr. Dean just explained is that the staff directed the contractor to isolate that, which I think is highly
appropriate. That that that's in the field, you got to do stuff. I get that. That's perfectly understandable. And then once they make a determination of what needs to be done, there's an additional cost which is I think nobody would disagree with. I don't. And then
they're asking us to approve that cost. And this is on the right street project. And what I'm going with this is that [clears throat] when I read our information, there is part of this project that was suspended until next year. As I brought up, I believe was on October 6th. There was a
decision made outside of this council. And yet, Mr. Mr. President, you indicated that our decisions are made here at this table and that was never done for that portion of the project. And at the same meeting, our city attorney indicated that when you have a change in timing of a contract, which
this is, it's a contract we approved and the work was initiated and they fell behind. And so because of that, the portion of the contract with 10th Street project was suspended. And that is a change that our attorney said needs to
be approved by the city council. Yet my my vote on that was forfeited somehow. And I at the time I was thinking that I asked the question that there could be implications if we actually quote unquote officially change the scope of that project to start that portion next
year. And the indication was yes, there could be a jeopardy to us as a city. So I was going to make a motion that night but refused to because of the potential jeopardy. But we're sitting here and in the in our suspense tracker um as Mr.
Boilles calls it, [clears throat] it says that that's been suspended that portion till next year. So I am still um not understanding the process. I heard Mr. Johnson say that there was a some sort of emergency. However, the the
direction uh quote unquote was given somewhere along the line when the council leadership met on two different occasions prior to September 15th, but after on on September 2nd and then once after that, prior to September 15th where we met, no information was given
to us. After that, we had another meeting. I believe was on the 29th, 2 weeks after. No information was given to us about that portion of the project being delayed. And then again on October 6, 3 days after the potential completion
date, as Mayor Bedau indicated, uh that was something that we should have known about. So I'm asking tonight, why why are why do we need my vote? Why is my vote needed on this to approve it? >> Okay? because it and it wasn't needed
before when we changed the scope of the project and yet I would very likely think support this. But I'm trying to make a point here. [clears throat] There was something that happened on Friday which we all should be aware of. A similar thing took place. We are
acting as the people's representatives. This is the city's business. It's supposed to be done in this room in public view and it was not then and it wasn't on Friday. and I'm not happy about it as you can see. And so I don't know how to change
this, but it seems that dynamic carried over until the [clears throat] co uh I'm sorry, the again the Rotarian project, the solar project. I don't know what the status of that is. I hope we get an update, but again, I'm in full
support of paying this, but I just don't like the process. And because this is Wright Street and it's the same contractor was uh that was over there on Beach Street that three council members did not take the recommendation of this safety and public works committee. The
mayor had to break a tie on that to pay for that change order. So I'm a little disappointed that we do our work and we had three council members that didn't agree with our recommendation, which that happens. But again, here we are. Why should we make a recommendation when
I don't even know what's going to happen coming out of this committee? I would like to think we'd get the support, but just a couple weeks ago, we did not. Mayor had to break a tie. So, I'm just trying to establish a precedent if I could or a a point that we have a responsibility to the people we
represent whether it's word to at large across the board. The actions we take are here in this room as you indicated on October 6, President ODE and not via email, not with staff meeting with a few council members, which my very first
meeting with administrator royals was there is no council member that has a priority over any of us, whether you're the council president, a committee chair, so on and so on. We all have equal votes. We should all be treated equally. We should all have the same information. That's all I have to say.
Thank you. Very valid point. I think there's no doubt that this has been a complicated road construction season and some unforeseen circumstances have come up. All we can do right now is learn from the process and not repeat those
processes that are going to not only offend but maybe almost go against policy. So, we'll definitely pay more attention to those things going forward. There's nothing more that we can do. We can't turn back the clock and do things differently than what we did already
this summer. But what we can do is make decisions on things that come up in these meetings. And right now, we have something to vote on. You don't have to vote on it. You can abstain. >> President OD, I would move to approve the change order for $5,300 in change. Second.
>> Motion by Chzach. Second by Jerger. Any discussion? >> Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Against. the same sign. That motion carries. >> All right. Chair. >> Yeah. Mr. Beaven, >> can I make a second motion on this issue?
>> Sure. >> I agree with Mr. Chzik and I think there's it's actually a separate issue. So, I'm glad to hear he made the motion on the change order, but I think maybe maybe the bigger issue is is that staff is to direct my motion would be to
direct staff to come back with an explanation as to what what was done on some of these road project issues such as such as Mr. Chzek has explained quite succinctly. we don't know wasn't brought
before us and I'd like to hear what was what what changes were made that we didn't have a say in and I I don't need it tonight but I think it needs to be done in two weeks and I don't know if it can change that's my motion >> sure have a motion by Bevans
>> I'll second that >> second by Johnson uh any discussion on that >> m Mr. Chair, I I just think it's a if nothing else, it's got to be a learning curve for staff. >> Sure. >> Or whoever made these decisions. >> I agree. I agree. >> That that they can't We just sent a
letter out to everybody on our policy for grant writing. Why don't we do the same thing to our staff? If our staff is making decisions without us, it'd be at the very least I'd like to know what decisions were made. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And I will I will say I think
uh at that meeting when we discussed this I think Mr. Dean went into some detail about the situation that we went through during this process. But um nonetheless if if we want to have staff follow this motion, we can have a more
detailed uh report on how this came about in I think it was September. Is that kind of what you're asking? Is that what this motion >> That's exactly what I'm asking. And maybe Mr. Mr. Dean already has the information. Maybe you could just give it to us now, but I'd like to hear it. Okay. Well, let's let's vote on the
motion first, >> Mr. President. [clears throat] >> Yeah, Mr. Chzac. >> Well, as I indicated, the the record that we were provided with said there was a [clears throat] a discussion with council leadership >> on September 2nd. We had a council meeting that day. So, I would assume it took place prior to that council
meeting. Then, there was a follow-up with two of the three council leadership shortly after that. I think it even the same week. But the the one of the issues I see there was there was two more meetings that month before we ever got to the completion date of October 3rd
and then we met on October 6th just to refresh our memory. So all of that happening I I just what I think was fully completely frustrating to me is when we had two full council meeting one was a special meeting but we could have put something on there and we didn't do
that but yet a decision was made again I I I respect the dickens out of Mr. Ericson Mr. Johnson and you, Mr. President ODay, I do. But to see staff give deference to
any one or all three of you is completely out of bounds. And so what Kelly, Mr. Beaven is doing here, I appreciate because this has to be done. We have to set some ground rules. And so I'm very glad he made the motion. >> Thank you. Any more discussion?
>> Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. I. >> Against? Same sign. >> That motion carries. Now, we have an option or two on that. We can we can wait until the next meeting or we can have Mr. Dean tell us now. Would you
rather have a report ready next meeting? >> I can prep a a more thorough report. I I can reference some stuff from previous meetings, but I'll I'll get you a report for the next meeting. >> Okay, perfect. Excellent. Moving on, Jagger. >> Yes. Thank you. Our second item is the consideration from Hi-Tech for proposal
for a city hall annex building. The motion coming out of committee was to direct staff to schedule a special meeting or workshop uh to der to determine the uh future of the annex building and I so move. >> Second >> by Joerger. Second by Chzi. Mr. Joerger.
>> Yes. Thank you. So just a little bit of background here. Um if you'll remember we had a we did a a facility study some time ago regarding the annex building. Uh in reference to that uh Mr. Habagorus has reached out to Hi-Tech to have them
provide a proposal to uh I guess what I'm going to kind of frame as just kind of keep the building basically alive, kind of up to date. This uh proposal includes replacing some windows, looking at some electrical, just some uh some some very basic uh type items uh to to kind of keep the annex going over there.
I would also uh get the fire safe uh the fire um response uh active, make sure that that's working in uh uh in congruency with the uh uh with the elevator over there as well. So, it's some basic to-do list over there. Uh
however, um as the dialogue kind of continued, uh really we're coming back to well, I think we've all kind of said we just want to know what we're doing with the annex first before we spend any money, before we commit to any project. So that's where the motion came from and that's how we got to where we are.
>> Yes. >> Thank you, Mr. Joerger. Mr. Johnson, >> thank you, Mr. President. I I support the motion. I think that's absolutely the right thing to do. Let's decide what we're going to do before we start putting money into it. But the question is regarding this specific quote for
this specific work, if we put it off a month, is this still valid to accept if this is what we decide to do? >> 30 days. It's valid for 30 days. >> We've got It's valid for 30 days. And when are we doing a special meeting? We don't you didn't have a date in the motion. >> Within 30 days. >> Within 30 days.
>> Can I make a suggestion? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, Mr. Chzach. >> Um, we have a budget levy date. Is that the ETH or the >> Yes. >> December 8th is the public forum or the public presentation of the budget. >> Could we not co incorporate those
together? Because um usually we if we set a clock, I think those usually go about the same amount of time every year. Um, just an idea. >> Yeah, I have no issue with that. Is anybody else? Mr. Beavens. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I certainly support the motion and support the
concept of not putting a [clears throat] dime into that building if we're not going to keep it or use it. I just want to remind the council that I did request the EDA ask the representative from camp realy which which has been our representative on
that and other city properties for years to put a number as to what that thing is being offered for and I was told it's not being offered so it's not being offered for sale and there is no number on it and then I asked again just
recently and I commend Mr. Johnson for asking uh the representative from capital what what is the building's value. For the second time I asked and for the second time the representative in capital did not answer and I I really
think that's part of the discussion. I mean if we're going to put $2 million into it because it' be nice to know what it's worth. Is it worth zero? Is it worth negative money? We had an offer on it, but the
offer was contingent on some repairs. So, what maybe maybe not have been a a valid offer. But I I really wish staff would get the answer to that question since it's only taken six years to get to the point of not having an answer
still as to what is that thing worth. If we put it up on the market, what can we get for it or or what can we reasonably expect for it? >> Then we get >> I agree. I think go getting into that >> uh detail just to start the discussion would be a good place to start. I >> I thought so six years ago when I first
asked the question of the EDA >> right >> and camp realy which I was the one that voted against renewing that contract. I I just don't think we're getting our money's worth but that's a whole another story. >> All right. Anyone else? >> Didn't we see an appraisal on that?
>> That's what I hadn't thought too but I think it was a close session appraisal if I remember right. don't remember the number. So, >> I got a good idea. >> I do think that we've had a meeting similar to this before, but I think things have changed that maybe maybe it was a year ago. I don't I don't remember the date, but this is this has been
something that we've been debating back and forth for quite a while. So, um to try and hammer that out in the next workshop would be great. >> I make a motion that we have >> I have a motion on the floor. >> Yep. >> Which is to have this on the >> to have a workshop
>> on that date on the same date. Oh, no dates yet. >> We can set the date after the vote. Sure. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, you're right. Thank you. >> Any more discussion on the motion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Against? Same sign.
>> Motion carries. Now setting a date. Um Tony, does that work for December 8th? Can you put it on there for that? >> Settled. Everybody okay with that? Looks like it. [clears throat] >> I'm sorry. What time?
So, is it would this be a separate workshop and then a council meeting? Is that how we would do it? Two separate meetings. >> I I would ask the attorney if that's the proper procedure. Yeah, I thought that would be the proper He's nodding. You'd actually have two meetings, Mr. Chair. A workshop on the annex. You know, maybe
>> we can all we can all have the workshop or and then we can walk out that door and then we can walk in that door. We can all sit right back down. >> Yep. All right. >> Change the name badges around a little bit. >> Sure. >> Mr. Mr. Mayor. >> So, may I ask one more time? What What time What time should What time should the mayor be in this?
>> 1 hour before the budget meeting. >> Usually 6:00. >> That's what I was thinking. >> Make the budget meeting. >> The budget meeting is set for 6:00. >> Yes. So, the question is, so are we doing 5:00? Is that what's happening here? >> No, we'll have it at 6:30. Well, it'll be after >> the budget meetings at 6 o'clock.
>> Okay, Mr. President. >> Yep. Yes. And the other meeting will be immediately following the budget meeting. And and I'd like to understand why we can't just have it at the same meeting. Somebody got an answer for that. I'm sure they do because I know I'm going to disagree with that. >> It's a technicality. I don't see the
difference. >> But do you want to answer that? >> Question is why the same meeting? [clears throat] Why have a workshop in addition to the meeting? Is that what your question is? >> No. My question is we're going to have a
budget meeting. It's already been scheduled. Why can't we just incorporate it on the agenda and have that same same meeting? Why do we have to have two separate identified meetings? >> Well, the truth and taxation hearing can be part of a different meeting.
>> Can be what? >> Part of a different meeting. So, it sounds like it could be the same meeting >> on the ETH. I mean, you could you could put those together if you really wanted to. Truth and taxation with another agenda item. I've had [clears throat] cities do that before,
>> Mr. President. But >> yeah, Mr. Chz, >> there are three types of meetings. I've been through this a million times plus one again tonight. There's a regular meeting, a special meeting, and emergency meeting. The difference is when you have a
special meeting, no matter what else you call it, call it a workshop, call it a retreat, call it call it a hummingbird around the bird feeder meeting, it is a special meeting. It is limited to what you put on the agenda. There's some premise out there that you cannot vote
at a workshop or a retreat and you can as long as you call a public meeting. It's given a quorum of elected officials and you have an agenda and yada yada. You can vote. There's no law saying you cannot vote at a special meeting, a workshop or retreat or anything like
that. So, whatever premise is out there, I've gone through this over and over and over in emails and discussion. If we have a meeting on the same night we have our bud our budget meeting or whatever it is, we can vote and get this off the table if we decide something that night.
And that way we could probably still stay in line with the Gordian process if we needed to or we come back the following week and do it again because of some outlandish premise that you can't vote at the workshop which we've done numerous times since I've been on
this council. That's all I have to say. >> Thank you. I do not care one way or another. It sounds like we're having both those items in the same night. If you want to put them on one piece of paper, great. If you want to put them on two pieces of separate paper, then go ahead and do that. I don't care either
way. If you guys want to say something about that and set that forth, go ahead, Mr. Mayor. >> So, 6 p.m. on December 8th. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Beautiful. >> Can we move on? >> Sounds good, >> Mr. Jagger. Our >> third item is uh uh taking direction or
giving direction on active code enforcement at 1209 Rosewood. Motion coming out of committee was to recommend sending a $300 citation every 30 days and IO move. >> Second. >> Motion by Jagger, second by Chzach. Any discussion, Mr. Jagger?
>> Uh, just brief rundown. This is uh in keeping with how we've been doing other uh active code enforcement. Uh there's been no communication back from this particular uh parcel owner regarding damage roof. I believe there are some pictures if you do want to see them, but uh that's how we got to where we are.
>> All right. Thank you. Any more discussion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Against. Same sign. >> I. >> All right. Motion carries four to one. >> Mr. Jagger. >> And report. >> Thank you. Moving on to 8B. This is
personnel and finance committee. Chairman Gabe Johnson. >> Thank you, Mr. President. We have five items, four items on the agenda. I need larger font on my computer. I'm getting old. The first of which is approved promotion
of Laura Juel to billing representative and the motion is to promote Laura Juel to billing representative position effective November 4th, 2025. Further, that she be placed on step six of the billing representative wage grid
and further to approve the updated business office support specialist job description as presented and to authorize staff to complete the hiring process to fill the business office support specialist position and I so move. >> Second motion by Johnson, second by
Bevans Johnson. So this we uh we found an an internal promotion to fill the billing representative. That individual's former job title was cashier postal specialist, but they do the same tasks as the billing
representative. So we're just combining to have bill building billing representatives. We no longer have postal specialists in that department. They're just all doing the same work. >> Thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All
those in favor say I. >> I. >> Against. Same sign. >> Motion carries. Chairman Johnson. >> Thank you. Next up is uh discussion of the 2026 parks proposed capital. Uh as you saw in the packet, the park
board has requested uh some modifications from their request from August. Being that we don't have a budget approved, we didn't take any action on this. We've received the recommended changes and it will be part of our overall budget discussion moving
forward. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Then the next item is a resolution adopting a resolution here Mike establishing deferred assessment criteria and the motion is to adopt the proposed resolution as presented.
>> Second motion by Johnson, second by Bevans. Johnson. >> Thank you, Mr. President. This is what we uh requested staff to change. And if you notice under 4C, which is the the valuation of the house to receive an
assessment, we had the number 173,800 that had been there for 3, four years, and we asked them to change it to words that would just automatically be adjusted. And I think they knocked it out of the park with the new language that says the assessment median homestead value per crowing county for
homesteads within the city of Brainard. This amount will be updated by annually by annian annually on the even pay years. I I think it's a I think they did a great job and thanks for staff for getting this done so quickly and accurately. >> All right. Thank you. Any more discussion, Mr. Chzach?
>> Um if it was updated, what would it be? instead of 170 whatever thousand. Anybody know? >> We didn't talk about that. I don't know if county knows. >> We did not do that yet because we're going to use pay year 2026. So, they're finalizing those numbers. So, next fall we'll find out the amount before we send
out the applications. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Any more discussion? Seeing none, we'll go to a vote. Tony, call the role. >> Jagger, >> yes. >> Bevans, yes. >> TZA, >> yes. >> Johnson, yes. Odic, >> yes. That resolution carries. Chairman
Johnson. >> Thank you, Mr. President. This one here is a levy update. You can read county's memo of what's changed since the last time we were updated. We're still above 8%. The motion out of committee is to
direct to direct the uh council president, PNF chair, city administrator, and finance director to meet the week of November 16th to present options and recommendations to the full council at our first December meeting. And I so
move >> December 16th. >> We will meet the week this week. >> This week >> and at the at the next meeting we will present a recommendations. >> Perfect. >> Motion by Johnson. Second by >> second. >> Second by Chzach. >> Yeah.
>> All right. More discussion on that. Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah. This is just we we had talked about okay let's get back together with the council president and PNF chair like the uh charter outlines for the preliminary budget in September. it doesn't really address it for a meeting
in November or December. So, we decided we should have full council action to bring that leadership team together to have a meeting with staff to bring something [clears throat] to the full council as we had just talked about earlier this meeting on a different issue. >> Thank you. Uh Connie, do you have a
fully itemized budget that you could export to the council pretty readily? Could you >> maybe as as a friendly amendment to this motion, I might suggest, could you send
that out to the council as soon as possible so that any other council members prior to that meeting could send requests to discuss at that meeting to our city administrator and finance director? >> I'd add that friendly amendment. Jeff,
you agreeable? >> Mr. Jezak, >> are you talking about like a line item budget then? Is that right? >> Okay. Okay. Um >> more detailed more detailed budget that you could look through. >> Okay. >> Similar to what we sent out with the preliminary levy is what I'm assuming. >> Yeah. Anything that's been updated since the last time we saw it, that would be
great. >> Um any you you're looking for us to make suggestions? Uh >> yeah. So, we'll try and set that date for the meeting and if you guys could get questions or comments in before this meeting to our staff, then we can discuss that as part of that meeting,
too. And um no no uh decisions officially will be made then, right? It would be fantastic. >> It'd be recommendations that would come to the full council on what we discussed and what our options are to get under our levy target. >> Being a little facicious, I hope you know.
>> That's all right, Jeff. We're trying to get it right here. >> We're used to it. >> Anyone else? >> All right. Um let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. Against. Same sign. Motion carries. And would you like to set a time for
that meeting? >> Uh, it's on your schedule, Mike. You You've got appointments and stuff. >> Let's um let's make it just to give everybody a little time. You want to do it this week? >> Yeah. >> Let's do noon on Thursday. >> Noon on Thursday.
>> Is that fair? >> Give everybody a few days. All right, it's done. Um, Chairman Johnson, anything else? End of report. >> Thank you, Chairman Johnson. Next, moving on to number nine. This is unfinished business. First, we have a call for applicants. And first up, we
have the honorable Mayor Bedau. >> Well, well, well. The following uh boards and commissions have seats available. Charter Commission, two terms expiring 2025, two terms expiring 2026. Economic Develop Development Authority, one term expiring 2028. Park Board, one
term expiring 2028. Public Utilities Commission, one term expiring 2028. Transportation Advisory Committee, two terms expiring 2025, one term expiring 2026. And also, we will be having a lot of positions opening up here in the next month as we are at the end of the year.
So, keep an eye on those. All right. Thank you. And as council president, I just have two terms open for the water tower committee. Moving on, we have 9B. This is a final reading for proposed ordinance 1579 amending section 110
cannabis hemp and related businesses and section 1000 general pro provisions appendix A and this is Connie Hillman. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, the first reading was held at the November 3rd council meeting and the only change
since that meeting was a change to the heading of the ordinance acknowledging that the ordinance changes both section 1000 as well as 1110. Um, since the ordinance includes a table, staff is proposing to adopt a resolution approving a summary publication of the ordinance to help with publication cost.
So, there are four items to consider for tonight. Conduct the final reading of proposed ordinance 1597 and dispense with the actual reading. conduct the public hearing for the proposed ordinance, consider the adoption of proposed ordinance 1597, and then consider adopting the attached resolution providing for a summary
publication of the ordinance. And with that, I can answer any further questions. >> Thank you, Connie. I just want to make it clear because on the top we have 1579. On the bottom, we have 1597. So, when we make the motion, I want to make sure that's the right one. Is it 1597? I
see that more on here. Okay, perfect. >> All right. First, uh, unless anybody has questions for staff on this one, we're looking for a motion to conduct the final reading of proposed ordinance 1597 and dispense with the actual reading. >> So, move Johnson. >> Second, Jagger.
>> Motion by Johnson, second by Joerger. Any discussion? Just a reminder that a vote to dispense with the actual reading of the ordinance must be unanimous. So, we will go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> I. same sign. Motion carries. Next, we are looking to conduct a public hearing for proposed ordinance 1597. So, I will open the public hearing. It is 807. If you're here to address the council on ordinance 1597, please come forward. If
you're online, press star three to raise your hand. Again, I'll ask if you're here to address the council on 1597, come forward. And if you're online, press star three.
Look like anybody here for that. So, we will close public hearing at 808. Next, we're looking to adopt ordinance 1597. >> So, move Johnson. >> Second, Joerger. >> By Johnson, second by Joerger. Any
discussion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Adoption of an ordinance. >> Oh, I looked at Tony. She was looking somewhere else. So, >> sorry. [laughter] >> Go ahead, Tony. >> Jagger, >> yes. >> Evans, >> yes. >> TZak, >> yes. >> Johnson, >> yes.
>> OD, >> yes. That motion carries. Next, we're looking to adopt the attached resolution approving a summary publication of ordinance 1597. Johnson. >> Second. >> Motion by Johnson, second by Bevans.
Discussion. Seeing none, Tony, call the roll. >> Jagger, >> yes. >> Beans, >> yes. >> Chzac, >> yes. >> Johnson, >> yes. >> Yes. That motion carries. >> That is it for unfinished business. Moving on to number 10. This is new
business. 10A is a resolutions adopting policies and plans and approved grant agreement for small community development program SCDP grant number CDAP-24-000069-0- FY25 and this one I believe
is Connie Hilman and John Schmer whoever wants to start. >> I'll start it off. So, the city has been awarded a small city's development program grant in the amount of $600,000 to do street streetscape activities along the 210 corridor. Mr. John Schmer and Mr. Eric Sharpente are both here to
answer any questions regarding the grant. The recommended action is we need two different resolutions approving two different policies that are needed for the grant and to authorize signatures on the SCDP grant. >> Thank you, Connie.
All right. Anybody have questions for staff on this? >> Um, may I? >> Yeah, Mr. Chzach. >> Uh, so we come to this is primarily just aesthetics. Is that correct? Is kind of decor. I mean, is that how I understand
this grant should be used for the most part? >> We have John Schmer coming up. >> Mr. Schmer, how are you? >> Good. Thank you, Mr. Chzach. Uh, members of the board. Yes. Essentially, the grant can be used for aesthetics. In this case, there's [snorts] such an extreme cost for just light fixtures.
This grant is intended to help offset some of that cost. >> And then who will be in charge of determining those specific items >> based on this? >> That was part of the uh submission process for the grant. Um, when we
submitted the grant to DED, Minnesota Department of Employment Economic Development, we had to specify what these grant dollars would be used for, and we determined that they'd be used to help offset the cost of lighting. >> It's exclusively to lighting. >> Uh, the cost of the lighting is so expensive that Yes.
>> I thought there was other things. I'm sorry. >> There there's other things in the project, but the 600,000 will go towards that to offset the lighting cost because of the cost of the lighting, I believe, is over 1.2 2 million if I'm correct. >> I just can't figure out why people need
so much light. [laughter] >> We have headlights. >> Very much appreciate it. >> Thank you, Mr. Shmer. Anybody else have questions? Mr. Johnson, >> I just have a question on the lighting. Why are we responsible for the light? Are we going like over and above MIDOT standards for decorative lighting? >> No, it's just one of the allowable
expenses for the grant and it would be easiest to help administer it if it was all towards one uh portion of that work. It could be used for other items, >> right? I I guess I worded my question wrong. >> Doesn't Mindot just put lights on their
roads? [laughter] >> Uh, yes, >> they did on >> but but the city does share in that cost. This helps offset the city's cost of the lighting. >> Oh, really? We share part of the cost of lighting a state highway through our
town. >> Mr. Dean. >> Mr. Dean, go ahead. Part of the cost is because we have the a different standard for the commercial corridor lighting. Um that commercial corridor lighting they do share in the cost but some of the cost does come down to the city because it is a different than the MIDOT
standard. >> So our lighting aesthetics are over and above what they would provide and that's why the cost >> correct and there's there is cost sharing with that um as part of the MDOT policy um but it does not cover 100%. Okay. >> Up to a certain point. >> Thank you. My question
>> sorry Mr. Johnson any other questions? C can I follow up with Mr. Dean on? >> Go ahead, Mr. Chzach. >> So, what is it about our lights that the state says, well, that's above what we do. Can you nutshell that for me? And I mean, what what do we do that the state wouldn't just What are we doing
different than what the state would provide? >> I'll try and be succinct. So, the MDOT standard is a very simple Cobra headlight uh fixture. The commercial standard we have is more of a cafe style uh black color. Uh it is a little bit more aesthetic. uh compared to the
standard MDOT highway lighting. >> We got fancy and cost us more money. >> We updated our lighting standards, I believe, >> four years ago, three years ago, somewhere in there. >> But the best for our lights. >> Paul, you would remember. >> Yeah, [clears throat] I I remember hearing Trent say that our fixtures that
were selected for commercial lighting were about twice as expensive of what a MDOT standard light would run to put on project. So, [cough] thank you. the [clears throat] lighting standard similarly to what we see down on the roundabout, the new roundabout. That is the same type of lighting standard that
>> Oh, I like those lights. They look great. Well, >> Mr. President, I certainly hope the people that are using those lights really appreciate the extra money we're putting into them. >> That's important. >> That's why it's nice to find grants like this. Thank you, John. Anybody else have questions? >> Thank you.
>> All right. Seeing none, we're looking for a motion to adopt the attached resolutions. So move >> second. One is approving the re the residential anti-displacement and relocation assistance plan. The other is section three plan. >> I think they want us to do them separately.
>> Okay. So >> I'm with the first one. >> All right. One A is the motion by Chzach. Second by Bevans. >> Any discussion? >> Tony Jagger. >> Yes. >> Bevans. Yes. >> Chzach. Yes. >> Johnson. >> Yes. Odate.
>> Yes. Next, we're looking for a motion to attach to adopt the attached resolution on 1B. >> So move second. >> Motion by Chzok, second by Johnson. >> More discussion. >> Seeing none. Tony, call the role. >> Jagger, yes. >> Evans, yes. Chaz, yes. >> Johnson, yes.
>> OD, >> yes. Those resolutions carry. Next, we're looking for a motion to authorize signatures on SCDP grant number CDAP 2400690FY25. So moved. >> Second. Motion Johnson. Second Bevvens.
Any discussion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Against. Same sign. Motion carries. All right. Moving on to 10B. 10B is an annual review of the data practices
policy and approval of the changes. Uh this will be administrator Broyals. >> Thank you, Mr. President. The city is required to update its data practices policy annually. City attorney has reviewed the policy and has added language for the data practice law updates and also incorporated the police
department's requested changes which is exhibit J. Recommended action motion is to approve the updated data practices policy as presented. Thank you. Mr. Broyals >> move to approve the updated data practice policy. >> A motion by Chzach second. Second by
Bevans. Any discussion? >> Real quick if I could. >> Mr. Chaz, >> we have an awesome data practice policy. It's really um thorough and I appreciate all the work that staff has done and our attorney for doing everything. So, >> all right. Thank you, Mr. Chaz.
Anyone else? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. Against. Same sign. >> Motion carries. Moving on to 10 C. It's the first reading of proposed ordinance 1598 for snow removal. And I believe
this is Mr. Havarst. >> Thank you, Mr. President. The existing downtown snow removal ordinance is very specific to a contractor to complete the snow removal downtown. The attached downtown snow removal ordinance has been reviewed by staff and approved by the
city attorney and the ordinance is flexible now to be to allow the city council to award downtown snow removal to a very specific contractor and or to be completed by city staff recommending conducting the first reading of proposed
ordinance and suspend the actual reading. And with that we can take any questions. >> Thank you Mr. Habigor. Anybody have questions for staff? I just want to thank them. It sounds like somebody caught something that may have been overlooked for a while. >> It looks that way, but >> yeah.
>> Thank you. Anyone else? >> No, we're just looking for a motion to conduct the first reading and >> second >> the actual reading. Motion by Bevvens, second by Chzach. Any discussion [snorts] on the motion, >> Mr. Johnson? >> I'll vote yes because I don't need
anybody to read it to me, but I don't see why the change in this ordinance is necessary. And if it was necessary, we probably should have changed the ordinance before we directed staff to do downtown snowplowing. >> Noted. Anyone else?
Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Against. Same sign. >> Motion carries. >> That is it for 10 C. Moving on, attendee, we have a public hearing and adoption of a resolution ordering improvement and ordering preparation
plans improvement 25-05 Southeast Brainer Reconstruction Project. And it looks like the presenter here is city engineer Jesse Dean. >> Thank you, Mr. President. So, the council called for a public hearing to be held at this uh tonight's meeting uh
from the October 20th meeting. Uh so the meeting notice was mailed out to residents on the project as well as published in the paper. Uh at this time staff is recommending holding the improvement hearing to hear testimony from the uh folks here in the room uh as well as potentially on the uh online. Um
I have to apologize the attached resolution uh was the one ordering the feasibil or accepting the feasibility report. I have a corre the correct version in front of you. I emailed one to Alderman Chzach. uh if you don't feel comfortable with adopting that resolution at this time, we can bring that to the next meeting as well. But uh
I just wanted to make sure I pointed that out that the resolution in the packet is the incorrect version. >> Okay. Thank you for that correction, >> Mr. President. >> Yeah, Mr. Chzac, >> is there a copy of that in the room? >> Yes, you just handed them out. >> I mean to the for the public. >> I can get more copies of that.
>> I' I've read mine if somebody wants it. There's a few copies right up there. We don't have to use that resolution for tonight, but we we should probably hold the improvement >> hearing to hear testimony for or against the set improvements.
>> Ma'am, we'll hold the public hearing here in a second. If you could refrain from speaking until you come up. >> I understand been talking quite a bit. So, just asking. Thank you. Um, so
>> it's just one piece of paper, ma'am. >> Okay. >> All right. We're going to open the public hearing. It's 8:20. If you're here to address the council on these projects, please come forward now. >> And the purpose of this is
>> doing the project, not the assessments. >> Yep. The purpose of this public hearing is is your opinion on the project. It's not the assessments. So specifically, if you have opinions on these projects, please come forward and address the
council. Now, >> just start with your name and address first, sir. >> Brandos, 1711 Norwood. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> So, are they going to close both the Norwood Street and the alley at the same time? Well, this is not a question and
answer session. This is just for you to give your opinion on the project. >> Well, my opinion is that I have an disabled wife, >> okay, >> that has to get in and out of that property. >> When we set up detours, we make sure
that every process, every every home is accessible. So, uh, if you have questions on the specifics of a detour, there's a card right on that podium right there, and it's the card for the city engineer, and he can answer that question for you anytime. [snorts]
>> My other question would be, uh, according to what I'm reading, I've got a 50-ft lot. It's going to cost me $4,250. And somebody said something about you either got to get a loan and pay interest on it or you put it on your
taxes. My taxes are due on what 15th of May. Can I just pay that amount on the 15th of May along with my taxes and be done with it >> for next year? This is a this is a great
question for Mr. Dean. He handles all those assessments. >> Yep. There's a card for him. You can you can call him anytime tomorrow or maybe catch him tonight. >> Anybody else would like to come forward? >> Maybe you could just explain the process
again so they understand it would be >> Connie can. >> Okay, >> Connie, go [clears throat] ahead. >> So, you cannot pay the assessment on this year's taxes because it has not been assessed. That is just your preliminary assessment amount. So once the project's done, then you'll have a
chance to have your final assessment. You'll have 30 days to prepay with no interest. Otherwise, it'll go on your taxes for pay year 2027. [snorts] >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> If anybody else would like to come forward on this project, please do so.
Come on up. Just start with your name and address, please. >> I'm Kathy Dul and I live at 1717 Norwood Street. And um I know there's a lot of us had that have all sorts of concerns
and I have made a couple calls in the past and ask about them and then I get this letter backing it up to say we were having this meeting tonight and that basically we would have a discussion on it but I'm seeing we're not getting a
discussion. It's either you're going to vote on it or we have to take it as is. This is for us to hear your opinion on the project specifically. >> What's that? >> This is for us to just hear hear your opinion about the project specifically.
So, you can tell us whatever you want about the project. >> Well, your opinion, >> I guess I was concerned too about come spring if I'm going to be able to get out of my driveway in the alleyway because they're going to be doing it and we go camping up north early spring for
opening fishing. I want to be guaranteed that I can get my camper out and then get out on 18th or 17th and which roads are they going to be doing and working on and are we going to be able to even get out, you know?
>> Great. Yeah, I totally understand your concern. >> Yeah. >> And again, [clears throat] that is the guy. He will walk you right through those detours and what will be open and what won't be open and and the whole process. Well, that there's several different things that we've been wondering as far as sidewalk and another
another thing while I'm standing here. Um, I talked to several of the people that were doing surveying and whatnot and they were very nice about talking to me and some of the other neighbors as they went along. But each
one that I talked to gave me different information, which was okay. I gained a lot of insight, but um what I was looking at is wondering um not only which roads are they going to
do first or all this um one party told me that they weren't even going to start um Norwood Street until late summer and it has to be done by October 1st.
Are they going to I guess we were thinking they're going to be digging down and putting in new water lines and everything for us and when they did it before it took up one whole summer plus into the winter we had to drive on class
5 and then it was late spring before they could start it again and that was I think 1994 1995 when they did it. So yeah, quite [clears throat] a few things. And also
another person told me that they will take out the trees as necessary, the ones that have to be taken out, but the city would also replace them at their cost. And I'm wondering where that's going to come into play,
>> you know. >> Yeah, >> I can answer. >> All valid concerns. Mr. Mr. Johnson, >> do you want to try answering questions? Well, I I was going to say there's a resolution here that you just grabbed. We haven't passed the resolution to come up with all the detailed plans for the project yet that will go through the
engineers office and our public works director. So, all the concerns that you're speaking of, they're going to be hashed out over this winter before this project starts. So, again, the contact for those concerns and the time is to bring those up is now before those plans
are finalized. So, please do grab one of those cards and have a conversation with our city engineer regard. >> I already talked to him, [laughter] >> okay? >> I talked to him for over half an hour, >> okay? >> A while back, but we're not getting any questions answered to speak of. Yep. So,
>> there's a lot of details that have to be hashed out on a big project like this. And they they don't all come together right in the beginning. They'll come together little by little through that process. So he will take your concerns into consideration and make sure that as many of them are addressed as possible
throughout the whole process. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else want to come forward? >> Anyone online like to address the council on this project? Press star three.
I'll ask one more time if anybody would like to come forward. to address the council. Looks like none. So, we'll close the public hearing. It is 8:27. And then the next item was just adopting the attached resolution, which we're
finding out was not exactly the >> move to adopt the handed out resolution. >> Motion to adopt the resolution that was handed out by Mr. Chzach. Looking for second. Second by Mr. Johnson. Any discussion on that resolution?
>> Seeing none. >> Tony, call the role. >> Jagger, >> yes. >> Beans, >> I. >> Chzach, >> yes. >> Johnson, >> I. >> OD, >> yes. >> That resolution carries. Moving on to 10E. Consideration [clears throat] of the
development of Gustiffson Park and presenter listed as community development director James Cranvic. If I could ask those in the audience to please >> stop the chatter, that would be >> great. It's a little distracting. >> And if you don't want to be here for the
rest of of the discussion, we can give you a minute to clear out. That's fine, too. Kind of reminded me when somebody don't always All right. Go ahead, Mr. Cranic. Whenever you're ready.
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, so Gustoson Park consists of approximately 1.2 acres with an alley bisecting the two existing fields. Uh, the park has historically been utilized for some of our youth programming activities, but was not formally used in the last year
and was left off of the designated parks list. Uh the Brainer HR approached the park board at their May 27th meeting uh during open form to discuss the potential development of a residential housing uh area in Gustoson Park uh really as a conversation starter. Uh the
park board was receptive at this time but didn't take any formal action or or recommendation towards city council. Uh through the HA, the property would be developed through a purchase and development agreement that could dictate the type of development as well as a final sale price of the housing units. Uh the property would need to be
conveyed at a future meeting. Uh option two, the city could retain the property and subdivide the parcels to sell at market rate through the EDA. Uh preliminarily staff looked at this. It'd probably be around um seven parcels. Uh [snorts] staff has seen an increase in duplex infill infill development in the
city for market rate rentals and properties have been sold um kind of between 15 and $30,000 depending on the size of that parcel. Uh staff recommends the city council consider the options for residential development of Gustoson Park and provide direction to staff. Uh
so again staff provided three options for council. Option one is work with the Brainer HR. Option two would direct city staff to bring a preliminary plan to the park board for a formalized recommendation and receive a quote from a surveying company to replplat the property. And then option three would be
to leave the park as is. I can certainly answer any questions the council may have. and Eric Sharper is here on behalf of the HA. >> Thank you, Mr. Cranic. Does anybody have questions? Mr. Beavenons. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I I I guess if the if the park board and the H are interested in this, I'd certainly be
willing to listen, but the first question that popped into my head is why would we take out a park [clears throat] with all the vacant lots in the city of Brainard, burned out buildings and infills, stuff that's been open for since I've
been for decades. Yet we get an occasional call from a citizen, why don't we have more parks? We just just happened in southeast Briner in Gabes area. And it would be I mean my first reaction is it would be a shame to take apart take aart a park
that's being used when we have all this other vacant land. Is it cheaper? I I don't understand. And that I guess, you know, is really a question more for maybe Mr. Mr. Jagger on the H or maybe the mayor from the park board. It just seems
imagine I live right across from Gregory Park. Imagine this in Gregory Park. >> Sure, it would be nice to have big shiny multiplex cheap cardboard apartments there. But I think they you think the usage of the park is much more valuable as green
space. And that I don't understand that. Maybe I just need more explanation. I think I can give you an an explanation of maybe how this got to this point because we went through all of our parks when we dedicated um our newest park as dedicated
parkland. We realized we didn't in the past dedicate any of our parks as designated park space or parkland. And when we went through all of our parks, we held off part of uh Buffalo Hills Park, now Lions Park at Buffalo Hills.
We held off uh Trailside Park, which is uh almost 120 acres of what was called Trailside Park. And we held off this little chunk that is two blocks away from a very highly developed park that is very underutilized. It's four back
stops and a lot of mowing that does cost our city time and money where it's it's not really used at all compared to most of the parks around it. So to maybe answer your question from a financial
side, we could put that back onto the tax roles if homes were built on it just like there are all around it. They wouldn't have to be giant apartment buildings. I don't think you would have be able to build a giant apartment building [clears throat] there. But if a developer wanted to come in and build
single family homes or duplexes or propose something like that, it would financially benefit the city as a whole, especially with a giant park about two blocks to the north. >> May I have a followup then on on your response? Sure. >> Wouldn't that make sense to get rid of
all of our parks then? Be a lot cheaper. >> Absolutely not. >> Be a lot cheaper. It would be cheaper. Wouldn't have to mow them. >> I understand what you're saying, but this is not Gregory Park. This is not Memorial Park. This is not Lum Park. This is not Kuanas Park or Buffalo Hills Park. This is a patch of green in the middle of a neighborhood two blocks from
a giant park that is very highly developed. >> I I get that you're referring to Bill >> Memorial Park. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> But if you if you Google this park, there's page after page after page,
tens of pages of kids using this park. I did it today. I thought, well, I don't know Gustoson Park. I think I'll Google it >> just like every other person might do. And it it looks like it's used almost every day. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I you know just again I'm
not I'm what we do with this is certainly one question but my question is boy it seems like it would be unfortunate to take a park that looks like it's being used every single day. Nothing to do with
Memorial Park, nothing to do with Mill. This one looks like it's being due every day with equally as many empty lots throughout the city, if not two and three times as many and we wouldn't have to get rid of a park. That's that's my
only question is why would we do it if we didn't have to? >> So, and the money I guess >> it's maintenance. Yeah, maintenance. >> But then then the argument is wouldn't that hold true with every part? Maintenance. We have to maintain every part, >> right? Every every every single park
comes with a cost and a benefit. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> And it's it's the belief of our park board as far as I've heard and I think some of our park board members or former park board members would agree that the city of Brainard has a lot of parks to the point where we almost can't afford
how many parks that we have at this point. We keep adding park space. We keep adding park amenities, which is great. I wish we could add a 100,000 more amenities every year until we have the best parks and the most amenities of any city in the world. But we have to
look at reality too. Mr. Chzach, >> thank you Mr. President. I if I could um ask the um couple of questions related to the look this is between 9th and 10th Avenue I understand. Is that correct? And what's the north south streets? Is
there a >> north south streets are ninth and and 10th Avenue northeast and the east >> east west is N street >> is N and what's is it north of N or south of N? >> It is south of N. >> And then what's on the south side of the
park then? >> Uh a long a long row of a long block of houses on both ninth and 10th. >> So those homes but ab butt into this. Is this a level pretty level there? >> Yeah, level green space. And then is there are there any amenities park
amenities in that Augustus and park? Right. >> There's a back stop on each of the four corners of the park space >> or ball plane. >> There's a shed. I don't see a shed. >> There's no shed anymore. >> Shed's gone. >> She gone. >> Um,
so so my my thought was kind of similar to Mr. Beaven's only if you're living in that neighborhood, the park's been there I think forever. I mean, I only asking for a familiarization because I it's been a while, but um so it's kind of a
fixture in the neighborhood. Um it's and um if we ask the neighbors, what would they say? I think I know what they'd say. I think Mr. Beaven knows what they'd say if they want to see that developed or not. Now, is that how we
operate our city based on what the all the neighbors say? Not typically, but sometimes we do. Um, again, I I know I I I'm confident that most of the surrounding properties would say we like our park and um even though
it's maybe not as used as much. There aren't as amenity there as many amenities there. I'd be very hesitant to develop it because I think Mr. Ben has made a good point. We have we have properties that we aren't developing. And I I think I'm just going to go out
on a limb here and suggest that this is a [clears throat] larger scale. It's more all in one area. Guess what that means for a developer? It's cheaper to build. If you can do seven in one location as opposed to one here and one there, it's cheaper to build. Look at
Brandon Oaks. Anyway, um I'm hesitant to put this uh you know up for sale uh you know the whole thing. So wouldn't say I'd never say no, but that's kind of where I'm at. Thank you, Mr. Chz. >> Mr. Mayor.
>> Yeah. So, the park board's position on this is the same as it is with any park in our system and or any other property. The park board by charter is responsible for whatever the council says they are in charge of. That's boulevards, that's parks, that's any green space that is by
our charter. You guys tell them what to take care of. They're in charge of it. The problem is you guys can say whatever you want is their responsibility and then they come back to you and ask for money. And that's what it all comes down to is what do you want us to take care of? How much do you want us to take care of? How many guys do you want? What do
you want us to do? Do you want us to cut the grass, do this? Do you want to have stadiums? What do you want to have? There's only so much money in the budget. There's only so many things we can do. The park board's position on this was essentially this. Bring it back and we'll take a look at it. I don't think they were necessarily begging to
have this not be a park, but at the same time, they're of the same understanding that they're not in charge of making that decision. You guys make that decision. So, if you guys say this isn't a park anymore, it's no longer a park and they're not in charge of it anymore. If you say it's a park, they're going to figure out how to cut the grass and keep it nice. As far as I'm aware, there is
no um movement towards developing this past what it is. It the goal is to keep it as a green space. Ideally, as someone that has kids who play T-ball there, I'd like a couple trees for some shade cuz she's roasty toasty hot on a nice July
sun sunset. Uh but the other discussion that did happen at this at the park board is that this is situated in a neighborhood that has two regional parks which are very large. Two of the largest parks that we have in our entire city. Lump park and Memorial Park. Both of
those are are parks that they want to see develop or see money spent on and see our dollars used for. And so this park is something that's smaller akin to Triangle Park next to Gregory. Now, Kelly, I know you would say don't get get rid of Gregory, but at the same
time, Triangle Park is a much smaller park that is utilized by a handful of people. And there's there's the discussion about what do we do with it? And that's all that from their perspective, what it always has been is you tell them what you want to take care of and they'll figure out a way to take care of it. But then they're going to
come back to you and ask for dollars and you're going to tell them they're not going to get those dollars because that's the way it works every single time. You're going to cut their budget again. You're going to tell them they have less money. you're going to tell me you got to take care of more stuff. So, just remember that every time you decide that you want to keep all this stuff and you want to have all this stuff, that's
fine. But every single time that park board brings a budget towards you, you cut it and you ask them to remove stuff from it. So, just remember that when we move forward. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I might even suggest that if we were to go forward with this, even though it's not dedicated park space, if it were to be
sold to a developer, I think those proceeds should go to our parks. I think it would be could be used for improvement of other parks in the area. Just suggestion.
Anyone else questions, comments? >> You want more soap boxes? >> Yeah, we have a soap box. >> Yeah, jump on your soap box. Let's hear it. >> Yeah, I love that park. I've thrown and caught a lot of touchdowns on those fields. >> Yeah, >> it's a great park. Uh, I think I'm okay
exploring the idea of developing it though. Uh, I my kids also played T-ball there. It is roasty toasty. There are no trees, no bathroom facilities. There there is a biffy in the summer, but it is right next to Memorial Park.
So, I think exploring this is a good idea. >> Yeah, maybe in the end it doesn't make sense. >> Maybe in the end it doesn't make sense. But I I think we should explore it. I think we should look at it, but also I don't think we should just get rid of it for the sake of getting rid of it to
save a few dollars mowing because everybody's yelling about budgets and saving money and you cut our budget. You couldn't tell me how much it costs to mow that every year. If you could accumulate that every single year, >> if you could accumulate that data, it'd be very interesting to see how much
money we are saving. But we have no idea. We're just saying we're saving money for the sake of sounding like it's a good idea. I will make that request once again right here in this public meeting. Let the record show that I am asking what it costs to cut to cut one yard of grass in the city of Brainard. >> See if you can get the value of the
annex while you're working magic. >> I'd love to get both. >> But the T-ball programs have also moved away to further that point. The the additions and the improvements we made at JC's Park. The T-ball programs from YMCA and their soccer program are both on the fields over at JC's Park. So that
use of this park is no longer needed. So, I I sparked the idea of exploring it. Not necessarily let's put them on the market with camp real estate today, but let's let's look at it. >> Let's turn it into an aquatic center. >> Anybody else?
>> Is there a motion that anybody would like to try? >> No. Yeah, I'll throw one out. I I would move to have the park board and the HA explore future use for this park and return it
to the council separately or together. >> I put them Well, I don't care. They could do it together. >> The H would would do something completely different than what the park board would do. So, are you guys >> I really think the park board is where it should start, but they can they could
use any means available. >> Okay, just remember this isn't dedicated park space, >> but it is courtesy to ask them what their suggestion might be. Maybe their suggestion will be that they'd rather not maintain the space. Maybe they would
like to bring new amenities into it. Who knows? >> Maybe there's 10 other parks that we could make a few bucks on. Save some save some lawnmower gas. >> Right. >> All right. So, that's your motion. >> Yes. Second. >> Got a second. Motion by Beavenon, second
by Chzach. Is that clear, Mr. Jagger? >> I think Mr. Scramvic is going to say the same thing I'm going to say, but not to complicate this, but there is also an option that does not include the HRA, and that is is that we do not take this down the path of HRA, and we just decide
to sell these lots outright without a HRA aspect to the sale and development of these properties. >> I I clarified my motion to go to the park board. >> Oh. >> Oh, I thought there was an attachment to the H. I'm sorry. I miss I murder. >> That was the initial and then Mr. OD y
>> questioned it and I clarified it. >> Is that what you were going to say, Mr. Cranic? >> Yeah, I think there's two different options, kind of two different models here. You know, one would be the HR. Um, they'd be looking more for a conveyance. Um, wouldn't be market rate. Uh, if you were to go with the city, you'd be looking at selling more market rate. Um,
certainly the proceeds then would be decided where they'd go to from the city. >> Since it was my motion, I think the H is the cart before the horse. I think it's first to hear from the park board. >> I'd like to hear from the park board. >> Good clarification. And then if we decide that it's no longer needed as a park, then the next step.
>> Yep. I agree. >> And the seconder agrees with Mr. >> Mr. Jagger. Is that the answer? >> I believe that's already been done. I I believe this has already been brought to the park board. I believe the park board has already said that they're open to this. Uh they were open to it when uh uh when I spoke to the park board uh with
Mr. Sharpentier and said, "Yeah, great. Let's explore the options." The park board showed interest in reducing their empire so that they could maintain a higher level of parks in the other parks. That is the impetus for this. I support that basic mindset. If we have the ability to lower the burden on the
park board that comes before us every year that is strapped for cash to maintain what we've got, I support this basic mindset in taking something off their plate if we have the ability. And I also support the idea of giving them the money to develop into the other park. So, if there is a sale, I would
like to see the money go back to the park board to help the other parks that need roof and shingles and paint and drive around. Memorial Park's not perfect. It still needs worked, right? And so, this mindset gets us in that direction. So, that's why I support
that. Yeah, please. >> Jagger, are you speaking in favor of the motion or are you speaking against the motion due to >> I'm still a little unclear on the motion. I I I believe that the motion had an aspect that tied it to the HR and the park board working together on this,
but I I I would so I would not support that motion because I don't I don't see that that's the path. >> Can Mr. Beaven restate the motion? >> No, I'm going to remove it. >> Okay. >> How was based on what Mr. Joerger just said, I think it should be removed and but I do have a second motion. >> Okay.
>> I think this should become part of the budget decision then on December 8th. It's a money thing. You just said it. The Mr. Mr. Jagger, you just said it. They can't afford these. They don't want it. Great. Then now it's a budget thing. It's a city asset. Should we sell it to
the H or on eBay? But that's the issue. And I get it. You've explained [clears throat] it to me quite well, Mr. Jerger. I think Mr. Chair, my motion would be to make this a part of the 2026 budget decision.
>> Okay. Motion >> that the whole council makes. Motion by Bevans. Looking for a second. >> I'll second. >> Second by Johnson. Discussion on that, Mr. Mayor. >> So, let it be said that I also love this park. Great park. Great part of the
city. Loved Northeast Brainard. That's where I'm from. I believe this actually used to be where Garfield School was before it burnt down and then was rebuilt. Imagine that. A lot of history to it. Uh, wow. Do people get emotional when you start talking about parks. Uh, I don't want to remove any parks. I also
don't think that the park board necessarily wants to remove any parks. To recclarify, you put this in front of them. They said, "Cool. Let's take a look at and bring some stuff back." I think that's where we should be at with this and I'm okay with that as a part of it of a budget. Yeah, absolutely. We
should probably know what it costs to run these parks and what we need to do and where we're going to save money and where we're not going to save money. But to put this as the park board is asking to remove this because they don't have the money. The park board was presented this and asked what they would like to
do and they said we would be open to looking at that. The park board did not say by golly we must remove this park cuz how are we else are we going to survive? So it's it's very interesting to me that this has gotten so uh dramatic let's say up here. Uh it's a
simple question. Do we want to take a look at this park or do we not? And sadly, the way our charter is written, you guys make that decision. You brought it to them. They did what you asked. Now you're acting like they're somehow doing
something they shouldn't have done or are all up in arms. They haven't done any of that. So when you bring it back to them, they're just going to say the same dang thing again. >> I think that motion was rescended. So this wouldn't be going back to the park anymore. >> Yeah. And that's fine. But then how about you just make it a park cuz it's
also not even a park. you never dedicated it as a park. It's not even a park. So, this whole thing is just nonsense. It's just a bunch of government nonsense. >> I'm going to agree with you because the way that we typically get rid of land is we convey them to the EDA. So, if we
were going to look into turning this undeedicated park space into a developed chunk of property, it would just be a discussion to be had next month at the EDA. I think that would be the appropriate move, but I'm not the one making the motion.
So the motion is to make this part of the budget discussion. Motion by Bevans and second by Johnson. >> Mr. President, >> uh Mr. Beaven has his hand up. >> Sorry. >> I And certainly it could go to the EDA. >> Okay.
>> But it's the council's decision. >> Yep. Not the park board. Parkboard already made their decision, >> right? Yep. And that's why we're here discussing, Mr. Chzai. >> So if I So we have a budget discussion. And I I'm I'm just trying to in my head how how does that play into our budget
discussion? We look at the value of this and then what what is that? I mean, do we add that to our potential revenue in our budget? I mean, >> it's almost impossible, Mr. Chz. >> That's why I'm asking the question. >> Yep. Not to interrupt you, but I think it's almost impossible without sending this to the EA and trying to get an assessment on this property.
>> Well, based on that, I won't support the motion. >> Okay. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah, I support the motion and I think staff already did the work. The park board already did the work. They presented that. They did the work. $30,000 a lot. Six lots, $180,000 they're going to get next year. So, it is part of the budget discussion. We can
pull that right out of the levy dollars they're getting because they've replaced it with selling land dollars. It's that simple. We just found 180 grand. >> Well, you put it right into the parkboard budget, though. So, that's where the budget discussion comes in. Maybe a little more in depth, but I I'm
comfortable moving it into the budget discussion. [clears throat and cough] There's a lot to be discussed on it. Whether it goes to the EDA this this year or maybe next year, that's fine, too. So, any more discussion? Seeing none, let's go to a vote. All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> Against. Same sign. >> I. >> Motion carries. 3 to two. All right. We will see that again in the very near future. That's it for new business. Moving on. >> Number 11, we have staff reports. Tony
Gage, >> Jesse Dean, >> nothing to answer. >> Chief Davis. >> Oh, he's got something. >> Amen. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, you may recall earlier this year I came to you uh requesting authorization for the police
department to apply for a Lucas grant. Uh, the Lucas was the portable CPR machine and you were kind enough to grant that authorization and we were able to receive that grant and we are now the owners of this Lucas. And you
may have noticed in my monthly uh staff report that we recognized an individual um that did a lot of leg work uh within our department for this Lucas Grant and he was the recipient of last month's Bouy award. And I just wanted to share
with you um this award nomination and an immediate result we received from having this Lucas. So I I'll read the nomination for investigator Jay Personsonius that was nominated by Sergeant Derek Palanch. So on October
1st, Brainer officers were dispatched to a cardiac arrest involving a female in her 40s. Upon Sergeant Palanch's arrival, the female had no pulse and was not breathing. Palanch, Officer Gleason, Officer Williams, and Deputy Taylor worked together and got a pulse back.
The female was airlifted and has survived. This effort is worth a booya alone. However, serious credit belongs to investigator Personius, who wrote the grant for the Lucas, attended the necessary training, and just mere days prior provided training to our entire
department on the use of the Lucas. Sergeant Palanch spoke with the medical personnel who reported they believed that the quick deployment of this Lucas by officers was a factor in the victim's survival. Investigator Personius's constant drive to make his partners
better at medical response truly saved a life. Booyah investigator Personius. So yeah, just want to point out not only his efforts but the the rest of the officer's efforts and uh great success story so quickly after receiving this. So thank you.
>> Thank you, Chief. And thank you, Mr. Personius. Keep up the great work. Max Hennon from CLC. Anything to add tonight? >> All right, moving over to Connie Hillman from finance. Mike Habigor, public works. >> We just are starting registration for
pond hockey and we'll be having a new pleasure rank at JC Park this year. And that's it. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, James Cranbit, community development. >> Thank you, Mr. President. So, an update on the next planning commission meeting. It'll be a busy next meeting here this uh coming Wednesday. Uh the items that uh the planning commission will be considering will be the keepers
development final plat as well as the final PUB considering three IUP short-term rental renewals, a CUP and reszoning for a vet clinic uh on Oak Street, an RFP for a comp plan update, and then uh at a future meeting, we're continuing to work on the Shorland
District update. And that's everything I have. >> Thank you, Mr. Cranic. Attorney Langel. >> Nothing here. Thank you. Chris Schubert, HR. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Earlier today, I emailed the Minnesota paid leave notice and acknowledgement form to the mayor and council. We are required by
law to provide this notice and receive the signed acknowledgement forms by December 1st. A copy of that notice is at the dasis for you. If you could please sign those and return that today, I would appreciate it. Also, the 2026 health election forms were due last
Friday. I'm still waiting on a couple of them. So, if I could please get those back. Thank you. >> Thank you, Chris. and our brand new public works >> Brainard Brainard Public Utilities rather director Paul Sandy.
>> Well, uh third week on the job. Uh want to express my sincere thanks to the managers over at BPU. They've uh welcomed me with open arms over there, gotten me integrated as quickly as possible and a lot of very exciting projects moving forward uh forward. a
lot of expensive projects, but um they've certainly provided a lot of training, a lot of guidance to me as I coming into the position. Um certainly been welcome here at city hall by all the staff over here. So, uh thanks everyone for uh entrusting me in this
position and I look forward to serving the utility into the future. >> Great to have you back, Paul. Good to see you sitting behind that bench. >> He said the I word. >> Okay, >> great. >> Oh, >> we can say that now. Yeah, it's it's legal. >> Can't talk about the
>> uh administrator Broyals. >> I just want to welcome Paul. It's good to have you here, Paul. And you're going to be a great addition to the team. So, thanks for joining us. Um something that Councilman Chzach was referring to earlier, um the solar project at Rotary
Park on the pavilion. Um, that development agreement did get in front of their executive board over at Rotary and I got contacted by one of their executive board members, also an attorney. They had a couple of issues with a couple lines in the development
agreement as I had conversations with Paul Sandy and public utilities. Um, basically there was some financial liability in the current development agreement that landed with Rotary. Um, as I talked to the utility, Rotary was
uncomfortable with that. Then the utility said that that financial responsibility would be on the utility. Um, basically what that is is Rotary is going to contribute a $10,000 one-time capital investment to the project. All maintenance, sustainability, removal, whatever the case going forward would be
on the public utility. Uh, public utilities is on board with that. staff is going to recommend a couple changes to the development agreement and then recoordinate that through the park board, public utilities commission and city council. Um I think to get the energy credits for that, the project
needs to be done by the end of the year. So we should be able to meet all the hurdles and get get them up by the end of the year as long as all three boards are on board. >> That's all I have. >> Mr. Broyals, you indicated December 1st in the email. I was told December 1st they need to be up and then somebody
else told me after the fact it's January 1st. They need to be up by the end of the year. So we have an extra month now. >> Oh, that may Okay, >> much better. Thank you, Administrator Broyals. And I I believe we skipped over the guy that's usually on the internet, but he's sitting right here.
>> Eric Sharpened here. Anything to add tonight? >> I do not. >> Into the into the microphone, please. >> Or you have John Scher here. Anything, John? >> No. >> All right. Excellent. >> All right. Uh, moving on, we have uh the honorable once again, Mayor Bedau.
>> So, I'd like to pitch to you guys something. Uh, it's another park. It's the Mayor Bedau uh official park. I'd like to add it to the to to the next park board agenda. Make sure that we get that approved and then and come to you guys. Look,
again, with this solar project, uh, it brings up another issue that we have, which is our charter. Our charter is is a document that we must follow. It is the governing document. It's a little funky in that we have opportunities for multiple people to have to make
decisions at all times. I just I get a little irritated when we continually pass the buck and then point the finger and then try to make these things more of an issue than they should be. Solar Project's a great example, right? Get it in front of everybody, have everybody sign off on it, and then we should be
good to go. things happen, we just get it back in front of everybody. Everybody signs back off on it and we're good to go. We don't need to over complicate things. We don't need to make things more of an issue than they need to be. And then that way we can have all this money to create more parks and name them after the mayor. So hard.
>> I recommend that. Secondary to that, uh we have a tree lighting ceremony December 5th. >> 5 o'clock. >> 5 o'clock. >> 5 o'clock. I was going to say 5:30. So 5 o'clock. I will be there at 5:00. So again, December 5th, tree lighting
ceremony, city hall, 5:00. >> Forecast is right. Mr. Mayor, moving on to council member reports. Uh let's start with Mr. Beavens. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. As if all that we've accomplished this evening isn't enough. Wednesday, 5:30 p.m. is the
library board meeting. I'll be there. We have a new librarian. April Risto is uh here. She was actually here at the last library board meeting, but she'll be running it as our new librarian this Wednesday. So, that should be exciting. She's a regional library director, so
she handles our library and a couple of others. So, welcome aboard. I'm sure she'll be in front of us soon. [clears throat] >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Beaven. Mr. Chzac, >> um yeah, um I appreciate Mr. Bro's update on that uh Rotarian solar project
and um the um public utilities will be meeting next week from tomorrow. Um I want to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving. Very happy Thanksgiving coming up here uh a week from this Thursday. So appreciate all everybody's
input tonight. That's all I have. Thank you, Mr. Chzach. Uh let's go to Chairman Johnson. >> Nothing to add. Excellent. >> Back to Mr. Jagger. >> Yeah, thank you. Uh just uh air uh airport ticker uh update here. We were
uh very happy to have a robust turnout, as I mentioned, of potential candidates for our our uh director [snorts] uh that we're looking to hire out there. We had uh I believe a total of 28 total applicants. the uh subcommittee which is uh Commissioner uh Barrows as well as
Commission Chair uh Palmer and myself narrowed that group down. Difficult decision, but uh we're able to narrow that down to a group of four finalist. We interviewed three of those today. Had a great turnout uh with the candidates that we had in front of us today. We
have our final uh interview that will be happening on Thursday. Uh it is our intent to of the subcommittee to push forward uh potentially one or two probably ultimate finalist for the entire airport commission to have a look at uh at their December meeting. Uh so
hopefully if everything goes well and I don't see any reason why I wouldn't we we have some excellent candidates to uh in front of us. Uh but hopefully we will be able to make a decision on a on a director uh very early on in in December. So be sad to see Mr. Planser go. He's been just an absolute wonderful
asset to us out there the last few months, helping us through uh the process. And I would also like to uh extend my appreciation and thanks to him for helping us with uh what I think is potentially really really good news. And that is it looks like we're going to be getting our morning flight back uh in
April. So uh that couldn't have happened without uh the hard work, diligence of Mr. plans are and the staff that we have out there as well as our commission members uh digging into that. So, uh we expect the uh the announcement of of Delta Sky West as our essential air
service shortcoming. We we got bumped a little bit because of uh the government shutdown on that, but we expect that by the end of the month and and then following after that, uh Delta has committed to bringing back the morning flight. That's super exciting. It's very very healthy for the airport out there. It's a critical part of our inlanements
out there. So, uh, so that's where we're at with the airport and, uh, invite you all out to come out, see the airplane, walk anytime. Yeah. >> Any idea what time that plane will depart in the morning? >> Uh, 6:50ish, 6:30ish somewhere in there. It would be a little fuzzy on that, but
it would be it would be our early morning departure, which would allow connections to happen at MSP, uh, which we haven't had for quite some time. So, exciting. >> Thank you. I did see, uh, something on the line somewhere. Maybe it was the dispatch with the plane going up. Looked
like a pretty cool project. >> Yeah. Uh come on out and see it. It's a It's a really really cool plane. Uh that >> somebody made >> Well, it's a it Well, no, it was uh it's it's a real airplane, right? >> I thought it said it was a homemade airplane. Well, so the term experimental
aircraft means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, but technically it's it's never really truly a homebuilt airplane, but um although there those do exist, but come out and see this one. It's a it's a Longster. Um these things were flying the sky and and delivering mail to people and uh you can
it's a pretty interesting uh piece to look at out there and just see what we were flying around in, you know, a long time ago. So, I don't know that this one I don't know. >> It's off the ground right now. >> It's on the ground right now. >> It's off the ground now. But, uh, yes. >> Yep. So, come out and have a look at it,
though. It's very, very cool. >> Try. Thank you, Mr. Jagger. Um, I don't have a whole lot to add tonight. I'm just looking forward to getting this budget figured out. So, I ask the members of the council that are here, members of the council that aren't here,
if you're listening, please send in any suggestions that you can spot. go through those line items as much as you can. If you see something, say something to our staff. We'll we will uh we will get through it and come back with hopefully a great recommendation with a very low levy
increase, which is something that has always bothered me, but there's always an increase and never a decrease. As I sit in here as part of this small government body, I'm starting to realize why and how difficult that is. But it still bothers me. So, we're still gonna
try and keep it low. So, with that being said, looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion by Chzach. >> Second. >> Second by Bevans. All those in favor say I. I. We are journ.