Thank you're going to want to join us. >> Okay. Today is Monday, June 15th, 7 p.m. This is the city of Brainard's personal finance committee. Let's start with introductions. >> Kelly Beavens, Brainer, City Council, Ward 2. >> Tim Holmes, Brainer Fire Department. >> Connie Hillman, finance director. >> Kevin Snick, alder at large.
>> David, executive director, Brainer Community Action. >> Terresa Burke, Brainer Dispatch. >> Jeff Chzac, large council member. >> Gabe Johnson, chair of the committee. The first item is an attempt to acquire an ARF apparatus. Chief. >> Yeah, thank you. Yeah, so this item is
to attempt to acquire ARF apparatus um from Cramp Ripley through the Federal Exus uh properties. I say attempt to acquire because the when it comes up, they're going to have to put the truck on the into the program
and then we're going to have to get it out of the program. So if someone happens to be quicker than we are, there's a potential of not being able to. But um just asking authorization to do that so when it does get on or in the program, we can get right on it. Um this
discussion kind of started last fall with interimm director uh Planzer and then continued has continued with uh Jennifer Roach, the new manager out there. Um, just some background, the airport is obviously uh in Oaklan
Township and we're their primary fire department. We're also the primary mutual aid department for the airport in the event of a aircraft incident. Um, the airport's typically staffed from 5
a.m. to 900 p.m. However, obviously aviation doesn't stop when the staff is not at the airport, and it's our responsibility for any incidents at the airport. um whether it's staffed or not. >> So they don't they don't respond.
>> Um they do, but they may be coming from none of them live necessarily in close proximity. There's no living requirement for them to um for example when the uh helicopter crashed a few years ago. I think they were probably 30 to 40
minutes before one of them were were actually there. And of course some of them are our firefighters too. So that kind of plays both sides. Um some examples, you know, there's late night flights, medical flights coming and going all hours. There's uh military
aircraft that's flying around. And then there's passing commercial and private flights outside of the standard um hours at the airport. Um along with uh incidents at the airport, there's obviously the potential for off uh
airport incidents where the ARF apparatus at the airport can't necessarily respond to off airport incidents. So whether it's outside of the fence or not on the runway. Um some other benefits of us having an ARF
apparatus is the class B foam that's carried on the apparatus. Um, right now none of our trucks have class B foam. Um, so class B foam is used to fight uh liquid like gas, diesel, jet fuel type things like that. So beyond the
capabilities of the airport, um it offers us an asset as an incident were to happen on the highway, say a tanker roll over or we have a hazmat incident related to a spill or something like that, this truck could be used for an
off airport incident as well. So um the financial impact, like I mentioned, zero dollars to acquire it. Uh we do understand there's some uh cost to own a piece of equipment like that. Estimate $500 to $700 per year for just the
annual maintenance of the vehicle. Um like Jeff had asked earlier today as far as insurance. Uh we got a reply back from the insurance provider. Adding the this vehicle midyear would uh would not
cost anything. Um, and then at renewal it' be approximately $425 for renewal based on the value of the truck. Um, and then at this stage, this is just kind of serves as a pilot program to really
check the long-term viability of this service and having this apparatus. So, it wouldn't be wouldn't be placed on the capital replacement plan at this time. And I can answer. >> Okay. I I don't think this should be on the agenda. I don't think this is ready.
I mean, clearly Jeff's question about the insurance, the financial impact here says $500 to $700. We already identified insurance. >> Sure. >> I think you're going to spend more than $500 of gas in it. You haven't identified how much foam you're going to be using for training or AR
certification for the employees. I think there's a lot of costs associated with this equipment. Even if acquiring it is free, replacing it in three to five years is going to cost something. I would like you to come back to the city council with the real actual numbers of what it's going to cost to operate this
one and then if what it will cost if we choose to replace it. >> Sure. So, can I just answer a couple of those questions? So, we don't use foam in training. Class B foam can't be used for training purposes. It can only be used on live fire true incidents. Mhm.
>> Um about over half of our staff are already A R A R A R A R A R A R A R A R A R A RF certified. So we've been doing that for the last six to eight years. So over half of our staff is already ARF certified as far as that goes. Um so just a few of those questions being answered.
>> Yeah, that you didn't answer what the cost of any of it is actually. Okay. So I I would just personally I'm not going to support that you guys if you guys want to move forward with this tonight. I don't think we have enough information to make an informed decision as a council. >> Question. Do you have any insight on when this might come up in the on the
federal thing? >> They're they're actually doing their review of their trucks today. >> So, it should come up in the next >> hypothetically >> two to three >> if we approved or not approved this. If we don't approve it, and if it comes up, we might be short out.
>> Yes. So my recommendation, let's approve it with the idea of when it gets a green light tomorrow could be >> pass it so we can see what's in it >> and then he can come back with more numbers. >> Yeah, I would vote no to that. I think that's a terrible idea. I think he could have came to us two meetings ago and then we could have had this
conversation, >> right? I I don't make decisions because staff is telling me it's an emergency. It's fast. We must make a decision right now. That's usually a bad decision at that time. So, I would like to see the numbers, but it's really up to Kelly because he wants to move forward with it. >> Well, I I would I
>> that would be my motion. >> I I would support his motion. >> Okay. and and and not I actually never heard that from the chief, but I happened to on our on our tour of the airport saw one of these and
I can't imagine how it wouldn't be a benefit to the city of Raider to have a second one at zero cost. I got to believe they're hugely expensive and we would want to take opportunity of that. I presume. Would we store the second one
out at the airport or would we store it here at the airport? >> Okay. I mean, it's it's a just a phenomenal piece of equipment and I hate to miss out. Now, I would also like to think to your point that the chief would
be able to get us the at the very least give us those numbers via email. >> We've been talking about this every meeting. There's a financial impact at the bottom of every agenda request which come routinely this year but we are not getting that filled out properly. >> Tim Newark what quarter of a million
dollars >> a million >> millions >> a million dollars. >> So basically we could say a million dollars repeating for free. However, I understand you're not let me finish. I understand your feeling about there's going to be a cost. But if some of you knock on my door and say I'll give you a brand new pickup. I'm not going to say
no because I have to put the gas in it and change the oil. I agree. >> I agree with that sentiment if it were a brand new pickup. What we're getting is a used piece of equipment. We've talked about at the council level a number of times, Kevin. Should we could we look at buying a used fire engine or a used
aerial apparatus? And the answer is always we can't buy used stuff because it's junk. It's going to be a repair maintenance headache and we just got to buy. This is the first time I've seen the fire department come and say, "Hey, we want used stuff." >> How how many hours are >> I don't know the hours. There's three
there's 3,000 and 3,397 miles on it when I got the picture of it last week. >> I will second his motion. >> Yeah, you second. Let's get it. Let's vote. All in favor say I. >> I and I oppose it. All right. Next up is
funding request for the YMCA. Nick, >> thank you, Mr. Chair. The YMCA to approach the city requesting $4 million towards a new aquatic centerpool. Council directed staff to work with our municipal adviser for potential funding options. Big Matilda came back with one option which was uh tax payment bonds.
At the June 1st council meeting, council directed staff to draft language for potential referendum to take to the take the issue to the voters. Draft referendum language is attached. Um subsequent to that draft, YMCA did send me a letter saying that a referendum
doesn't necessarily fit their timing. Um, so staff feels like council has several options here and perhaps some that aren't even listed here. Number one, you could direct staff to move forward with the city funding through tax payment bonds. You could comment on the referendum language and direct staff to move forward with the one direction
with any changes you might have. Uh three, if you did want to uh um give credence to YMCA's letter that said that uh referendum does not work out for their timing, you could resend the motion from June 1st directing the referendum for the court referendum. Um
you could reject the $4 million request outright in this initiative or perhaps an option that I haven't mentioned. >> Yeah. Okay. So, I submitted this to get it on the agenda. I met with some people from the YMCA and they don't want to go to referendum. So, I thought we could
just get it on our agenda tonight and then rescend the motion from last time because there's no sense in going forward with something that they don't even want. I would still I'm still interested in the business plan that staff and the Y are working on together to present to the council. So, I still want to see that and that motion still
exists out there, but if they don't want the referendum, we should stop moving forward with it. >> I have a question. If I'm not mistaken, the motion from June 1st was just to direct staff to bring back the language of a referendum. I suspect we do not
have to reverse that at all. We can say thank you. >> Well, they do have language here. We can take language. >> We got it. Thank you very much. And then do nothing. >> Oh, no action taken. >> No action. I support that. >> Let's go with that. Next up, Fourth of
July fireworks. Scotty, >> I have another comment on that. On that >> on the why. >> On the why. >> Yeah. >> I would like to see more about this program or this project. I'm somewhat surprised and we talked about this on
June 1st that we haven't seen that. But I think the motion on the referendum that that Mr. Jez brought up, didn't you? Yeah. I thought that was good. I thought that was a kind of a good point, but we didn't know the timing. We suspected that it wasn't going to work.
In the meantime, I'd sure like to hear more about the product. I would bet people of the public the public might want to know more. I haven't really seen a lot in the paper about it. >> Well, again, there's a lot of gray area and unanswered questions in my opinion. >> Right. And I'd like to see those answers. >> That's really Shane Ripples issue, but
anyway, thank you. Please go to the fireworks. Okay, Connie. Fireworks. >> I didn't hear a motion, Mr. Chair. >> We didn't take action. >> Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. >> You're looking nice. See you upstairs.
>> Thank you. Hey, smooth. >> Smooth. >> Right. The city received a request from >> Cath >> from Mr. Dave Bedau, executive director for Briner Community Action. BCA is requesting that both cities, Briner and Baxter, continue to fund the same level of support if they've done in the past
for the Fourth of July fireworks. A history of the contribution was included in the packet that the city has made. The city has contributed 8,000 annually since 2016, and this amount has come out of the special projects budgeted line item. For 2026, the budget amount for special projects is 28,000, of which
5,000 has been spent or allocated. As of today, the budget balance remains at $23,000. Um, so the recommended action is to approve or deny the request from Brandon Community Action for the contribution for the Fourth of July fireworks in the amount of $8,000 to be paid from the special projects budgeted line item.
anything to add, executive director? >> Uh, just simply that we appreciate any support that you've given us and both cities have done a fantastic job. Baxter is on a different schedule than you guys. They approved theirs for the year prior, so they're already on board for this year and then we'll do their
budgeting in December for the following year. >> I so move to move forward. >> Second motion to second. Any other discussion? All in favor say I. I. >> Post same sign. That motion carries and the meeting is adjourned. Nicely done.