Call the Charter Commission meeting to order. Sorry, Kelly. >> Uh, we'll call >> Call the meeting to order. Uh, we'll start with roll call. Donate >> Evans >> here. >> Lambert >> here. >> Norwood >> here. >> Shape.
>> Next we'll have pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Next, we're looking for an
approval of the agenda. >> So, move Norwood. >> Second, Lambert. >> Any discussion on the agenda? >> Hearing none. Uh, all in favor say I. I. >> I. Post. Same sign. We have an agenda. Uh, approval of the minutes. Has
everyone had a chance to review the minutes from our past meeting in August? >> I I move to accept Lambert >> and second Norwood. >> Any further discussion on the minutes? Hearing none. Uh all in favor say I.
>> I. Same sign. Moves us to 6A. Uh Nick, you want to kick us off? >> Thank you, Mr. chair and thank you everyone for being here this evening. Um I'll kind of lay out kind of my hope for the meeting and um but of course staff
will follow the uh the direction of the charter commission and um there's a few folks with us tonight. Um we have a few two right now public utilities commissioners that are here. I think President Mike England may be
dialing in. And we also have he has dialed in, Max. >> Okay. So, Mike's on the line, too. And we also have Paul Sandy. He started yesterday. He's our new public utilities director. Just want to welcome him. Danny Lock is the finance manager. So, thank you for being here. This was not
noticed as a joint meeting, but Chair Ship, whoever you want to talk is up to you if you'd like people to talk. So, so I want to talk a little bit. I'll just kind of frame the conversation tonight and then we'll just kind of go. I'm hoping that this is kind of conversational tonight, but we will certainly follow the lead of the charter
commission. Um, so at the last I don't have the date in front of me, but in the not the most recent, but the meeting before that, the city council rescended the motion motion of April 7th. Um, so that allows staff to start thinking
again creatively and and um and how we could potentially structure how could we write the charter, etc. So staff is currently reviewing the charter. What I envision tonight is, and I told this to Paul a few minutes ago in my office, I think we're just in the starting blocks
on the track and before they shoot off the pistol, I want to make sure that what we think we're doing is what you guys want us to do. So we don't spend a lot of effort doing something that you guys don't want. So this is just an opportunity for you guys to refocus us or guide us to something different if
you would like. So staff is is planning on reviewing the current charter and we would like to suggest some potential changes which we believe will provide improved service delivery to our citizens. The purpose of the agenda item tonight is to update the
charter commission on our recommended process and methodology moving forward and in turn to understand the commission's thoughts and concerns and to hear their direction, your direction regarding our proposed plan. As staff considers this task, our intent
is to proceed with some substantive goals and to work within certain constraints identified in alternatives and options that are following. So I just kind of broke this up into process and methodology. Process is fairly straightforward. If the charter commission would allow us, staff would
like to take a couple months and I think it's worth looking at the charter from cover to cover and seeing what we can do to make changes to the charter. And after a couple months, staff can provide that draft charter to the charter commission. We will then receive
your feedback and rework as necessary. And we would go through that iterative process until the charter commission via majority vote passes the language. Then we would take that to the city council and we would go through that same process. On city council would need to
be unanimous. It would need to be a 70 vote. And again, if if the city council wanted to make charges, excuse me, changes, then it would have to go back to the charter commission. Basically, at the end of the day, we want a document that the charter commission approves by
majority vote and the exact same language that the city council can approve with the with a unanimous vote. So, that's the process. It'll be an iterative process. It'll take as long as it takes. Uh my hope is that what I don't want is to produ is to proceed
quickly at the expense of a good document. I don't want to come up with a document and 3, four, five, six months that we need to come back a year later and say oops we forgot this or we didn't think of that. That's what I want to try to avoid. So that's what I'm suggesting
as a process. As far as methodology, you know, staff is thinking as we kind of dive into this a little bit. There are certain criteria that we would like to use as kind of guard rails. So this is where charter commission can provide us. Are there left and right guardrails that you guys want us to stay in between? Are
there certain things that are absolute dos or absolute do not do? We would need to know that too. That'll help be helpful for us. But we're looking at opportunities to a few things. Combine all underground infrastructure under one director. Combine all capital project
management under one director. And these two could be and may likely be the same director. Combine all surface maintenance under one director. Attempt to consolidate like functions under one director. In other words, if we have eight departments in the city
and each one of those departments had a custodian, I would not have the custodian working for eight different directors. I would have the custodian staff work for a single director where they can allocate those resources appropriately however they see fit.
Uh number five, incorporate more robust fleet management, ongoing transit discussions and special projects under one director. Consider once again the optimal organizational structure for city financial services. And we're going to work this cooperatively amongst
staff. And if if you know what we bring back to the charter commission will be something that staff has agreed to. Consider the best method structure for conducting billing services. And then we want to address the pilot. And I've had some conversations since I
wrote this. There's lots of ways to we can address a pilot qualitatively in just theory and methodology avoiding the numbers and the calculations or we could address the pilot quantitatively. I think my goal is you know the charter
in my mind anyways is ultimately a governance document. So I want it to be specific enough that it's meaningful and provides guidance the way the way that we conduct governance, but I want it to be general enough where whether it's
this council or future councils, they can make organizational changes or operational changes without having to revisit the charter to make those changes. Does that if that doesn't make sense, I'll try to elaborate later if you need to. So with that, I guess that's from a staff perspective for
process and methodology. That's what we're thinking. We really want to hear from the charter commission what you think about that plan. And chair ship, you're welcome to call in whomever you like from the public utility commission if you so choose. And we just want to hear we'll be taking notes and just want
to hear from you guys what you guys are thinking. >> Awesome. Thank you, Nick. >> Kelly. >> Thanks, Mr. Chair. ask our city administrator a question. I have a clarification on one of these. I just don't understand it. Uh Nick, item two,
that's and I've been involved with this for, you know, the last year and this is a completely new one. I haven't seen item two before. Combine all capital project management under one director. Clearly, that is misstated because that would be like this director would handle
purchasing fire trucks and it just doesn't make sense. every capital project come you know buying a lawnmower for parks >> and I I agree that's very very good point I think that >> I I think you're meaning in the ground
>> infrastructure I'm thinking infrastructure >> there we go that that I just wanted to clarify that because when I saw that I went >> wow >> good point thank you sir cool um so I was thinking Since Nick kind of broke this up into
process and methodology, maybe we tackle it that way, too. I suspect process is not the terribly uh detailed part of this. So, I just want to run through that first and make sure we're good with that and then dive into kind of the changes.
Does that make sense? >> Cool. Uh do you guys have any questions about the process part of things? It's kind of laid out in the charter. It read how I expected.
>> I do not have as far as process. It's straightforward. Yeah. >> And so >> I agree. >> Cool. Uh Mike Dolly, other mic, do you have questions about the process part of things? >> Um so it's my understanding that there's
two ways to change the charter. One is a 70 vote from city council and the other one is to put it on the ballot and have the people vote on it. >> Yes, >> that's the process and to start the process. That's
basically what we're doing here with Nick right now is he's kind of kicking it off and starting it. >> Okay, that's all I got. Thanks. And just to remind you, back in April, one council member swowed that he will
never vote for a charter change. You can play it back if you wish to. It's on YouTube. So, you might as well. I mean, I I don't know. Things change, right? But this person has been very consistent.
Fair. Oh, Nick, sorry. Miss >> and I did chair, thank you. I apologize. I did also want to mention that I included on the last page of the packet, you'll see an org chart and it just goes to the director level. And and again,
this is this is the way I think that we should be organized. Um I don't set policy, I execute policy. But you will notice that this is one additional directorate than we currently have. Um,
again, this is while I don't think that or the the the organizational structure should be addressed in depth in the charter, I think it's important to kind of show what my vision is because one of the things that pre precipitated this whole conversation about a charter
change was the way that our sanitary was divided between two different departments. So, I just want to in in my vision is as you look at this or chart, I would have all of the infrastructure to include sanitary under the public works director. And you'll see a public
services director. That's a new position. And I will also mention that this plan would be a a zero sum FTE equation. We wouldn't be as I understand it right now. We'll talk more as with staff, but I do not see a net increase
or decrease in FTEEs. The new director I do see that we have on there is public services. This is where essentially I would have all the underground infrastructure. Under one director I would have all the surface maintenance, streets maintenance, park maintenance, recreational programming, fleet
services, special projects. Uh I would have those under public services. So that's I just want to give this as a data point because whatever the charter looks like in its finished form and whatever our org chart looks like in its finished form need to be overlaid on top
of each other and they need to complement each other you know certainly not contradict each other. So this is just another data point but again this is draft everything you see tonight is draft so I just want to point that out. >> Thank you. All right, I think we can jump to the
the changes then. Um, does anyone maybe we start with questions and then kind of go into discussion? >> James, Jan, do you have questions for Nick? Anybody else? >> No, not not right at this time.
>> Mr. Mr. Chair, from what I see uh as to the question for process and those kinds of things, whether it ends up being a change that occurs at uh city council or a change that occurs on the ballot, the the beginning process and for the most part the draft ends up being the
same process that we have to work through as far as the methodology and that whole that's the real meat and potatoes of as to what we're talking about. And there's a lot of questions that I end up having, but as to I I would rather hear from more
individuals and more staff before asking questions because it's very likely that a lot of the questions that I have will be answered. >> Cool. Um, >> any other questions for staff Kelly? >> None for me. Thank you. I I will comment
though that I have been a supporter. This makes complete sense to me as to as to and and in the past it's kind of been a discussion of city of Brainard versus public utilities and seeing the org chart the way it does makes perfect
sense to me that you don't have that dichotomy. As a matter of fact, I think Mr. Higgins brought up at one of our last joint meetings. It could conceivably be a public utilities that handled all the underground. I would have absolutely no problem with that. Absolutely not. I I just think the
process makes complete sense from a customer service point of view. If you're going to be digging in your yard, in the street, whatever, anything underground, to come up to to have to come to one place and get all your
answers, all your questions answered, um, just makes perfect sense to me rather than to have to I mean, I can't tell you how many times in in my years on the council where somebody has said,
"Oh, we just recently had it." where we had somebody hook up to our sewer and water that wasn't in the city of Brainard. I mean, how could how can that happen? Yet, it did. So, thank you.
>> Uh, Mike H. Dolly, Mike Aly. Yeah. >> Thank you, chair. Um, I guess I just have some comments or some statements that I'd like to make if that's okay. >> Oh, yeah. Um, I think, you know, I've been on the commission for about 6
months now and, um, I've been in Brainard about 11 years. I pay a lot of money in electric and sewer and water bills every month, or I try to. And um as I've been getting a little more
comfortable with staff and talking to to staff on on the BPU side of things, it it you know this all started with Charlie complaining about or talking about he wasn't complaining
he was talking about how when we meter Al Baxter's um waste water coming into the treatment facility and If their COOD BOD levels, which are the levels of solids in their their waste treatment, come up, he gets
to charge them extra because when those levels start coming up, it costs him more. It costs us more to to treat that waste water before we lease it into the river. And he was talking about that.
And then he was telling me about how our sanitary for the city of Brainard is is not ran by the commission. And it dawned on me that when I built the Notch 8 restaurant at Northern Civic Center, every other restaurant I've ever built in my career, I've had to put like a
2500gallon concrete underground tank grease waste separator. They're like 10 grand. And I've completely assumed when I built that restaurant that I'd have to put one of those in. And we go through
plan review and code review. And I put a little B. It's about that big around and about that deep in the floor. That's my grease trap. And I was like, that's crazy, but if that's code and that's what the city wants, that's what we're going to give them. Um, and then lo and
behold, a couple months ago on a Friday, about an hour before a wedding was going to start, all the sewers in the entire building of building five started backing up. And I mean, it it started in the bride
and groom suite because that's the high end of the sewer. And I called Sean in a panic and I'm like, cuz you know, it's 3:00 on Friday. I'm like, "Oh, this ain't going to be good." And they happened to have a truck and got out
there and jetted it and it was just completely full of grease. That whole line from where you come in between the two buildings on the property all the way to the end. And we cleaned the grease trap out every 3 months, you know, but it's just not big enough to handle it. And it dawned on me when when
that happened that we're spending we have as the commission we have no way to regulate that because the city council manages the gravity. We manage treating
it. And the more I thought about that and did a little bit of research, I just thought that's the most insane thing I've ever heard of in my life. So, I'm kind of the one in the last few months that have really started pushing this as a commissioner. And I've said from day
one, I don't care which way it goes. I don't care if the commission has all of the underground or the city has all the underground. I will support it either way as long as it's all in one entity. And for me, it's just like sending Bick
guys, my my guys over Bick that run fork trucks over to to work at the wedding. probably wouldn't work very good. So, you know, that's that's why I want this charter change. That's why I started talking to people about it and and there's been some issues with city
commission and and you know, people are scared and charter change seems to be a big deal, but I just think it it's going to make everything simpler. I'm very involved with all the staff in our city. Uh, you know, I'm a I'm a boots on the ground guy. Um, I'm in the trenches. I'm
in ES I just climbed out of an excavator before I came to this meeting and and I think it'll make their lives a lot easier. It'll make it'll make Nick's job easier. It's going to make Conniey's job easier. Danny's I've talked to everybody. I I think there's
overwhelming support for this. So, I'd really like to see a 70 city council vote. Um, I know there's one person that's going to be a little bit tough, but I I believe, you know, I sit beside him at the commission meeting and I I believe we can get this done if it's if
it's done properly and if it's, you know, I I'm following along with what Nick's going to propose and what the staff's going to do. Um, and and I will personally take this and put it get it on the ballot. If if we don't get a
seven to0 vote and we can't get this change in the charter, I am going to go get the 900 signatures, I'm going to do it in this next election cycle. I have a consultant hired that's going to help me do it. But as a citizen of Brainard, I am going to one way or the other try to
get this done. And if if city council doesn't vote on it and and then we we get it on the ballot and the people vote it down, I'll drop it. But one way or the other, I this at least the sanitary sewer and all the utilities need to be
in one place. Don't care which place. Don't care which one, but they need to be under one. So, thank you for for letting me speak and be here tonight. >> Oh, thanks for being here. Appreciate it. >> Uh Dolly, do you have any >> microphone? >> Yeah, I think your name. I didn't see a
motion to that and so I would have been here earlier but >> I have no idea. >> Don't sit in the wrong spot. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. So, um I too am in agreement with Commissioner Higgins. I I
think that ultimately what my biggest concern is was that a charter change was going to be done before the fine details of understanding how the impact will uh will have been made. Um you know it's kind of like saying I want to start a business and not having a business plan
not ironing out the details and that's probably my biggest concern. um that if you know not understanding if we change the organ the org chart which I agree I mean I I I believe in progress I believe in uh communication and I've always
never understood how there could be such a lack of communication when it comes to projects and infrastructure and uh we have sack and whack being handled in one area and we have you know so it there's there's a need for change and structure
but I feel like changing the charter before all of the details are ironed out um would be a a terrible thing to do and that so if this is just the beginning of some you know discussion that's
fantastic. Um but if this is a matter of saying we want to do a charter change and this is what we're going to do and this is what we'd going to like to recommend to the city council um I might have more of a problem with that. So thank you >> Mr. Sh. >> Oh, yeah. Dude.
>> Oh, I I can wait. >> Go ahead, Kelly. >> I just wanted to echo I I can't agree. I mean, I I agree with Dolly wholeheartedly and can't believe the city council made a motion to not talk about this for 10 months.
That just totally contradicts what Dolly just said. And I I it's just funny how government works. Thank you. >> Yeah, when Nick said there was a a gag order, I was pretty confused. >> I actually questioned the validity of
that motion at the time and still do. But thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Uh Nick, I think it's just just I just want to echo I think Commissioner Norwood brought it up. Commissioner Mattton echoed it. Now, Councilman uh Bevans said the same thing. when we just
introduce this and just scratch the surface, it's going to generate a lot of questions and that is perfectly ex that's perfectly understandable. Even amongst staff, it's going to generate a lot of questions. What my ask to the charter commission tonight is let staff
work on this for a couple months because staff um knows the challenges that we're going to have and we have some we have a fantastic staff across the board and they're very good and they know the right questions to ask. So I would what I would ask is the charter commission to
give staff the opportunity to work on this for a couple months till like the mid mid January and we will come to the charter commission um with a wellthoughtout charter that tries to address as many of the questions that Commissioner Norwood, Commissioner Matt,
and you guys may have tonight. Some it might be appropriate to put in the charter. Some we may still answer, but maybe they're not a charter question. Maybe they're addressed some other way via policy or something before you I think it might have been before you walked in. I really want to end up with
a charter that we don't hamstring future councils where if they want to, you know, move this function from this department to this department, they have to do a charter change to do it, you know. So, I don't want to go to that level of detail where it really hamstrings future councils. But, we do need to answer all the questions because
there's going to be a lot of questions, a lot. And staff will do our due diligence and we'll we will produce a good product. to give us a couple months and um and then the charter commission has every opportunity to say don't like it, don't like it, do this, do this, don't do this, and then we'll go back and rework it. But it'll just get better
and better and better. But if you give us a couple months, I think you can come up with a 95% solution. >> Yeah, Mike. Um, if I guess just a suggestion, if we could put a timeline at two months, no longer
than two months, that would be really helpful from my standpoint. Thank you. >> Um, Commissioner England, I just want to make sure. >> Oh, >> no, no, I'm sorry. I he go ahead with Commissioner.
>> Uh, yeah. Uh, I just want to make sure you have a I know the audio delay on WebEx can be a little funky, but do you have any thoughts you want to share? >> No, I I don't. But thank you for asking. I really appreciate the conversation and the opportunity for all of us to be here. Thank you.
>> Awesome. Thank you for being here. Uh James, I think, or Jan, one of you. >> No, no, I bumped him by mistake. >> Okay. I do have a question as far as timeline and um some of those questions that might be developing as um Commissioner
Higgins. Are you asking for just the next meeting as far as a timeline or are you asking for a further out um and when you would expect to see a a decision with the final draft? >> I would like to see it by the end of the
year. Rough draft. >> Rough draft. >> Got a thumbs up from the admin >> cuz if I have to if if I end up putting it on the ballot, I have to have the signatures by April to get it on the
ballot. So there's a timeline involved. That's the only reason I would ask. >> There's two. You going to leave me hanging? >> Nick, >> I think um I don't think I know that you
know staff's going to work this aggressively. We're not going to drag our feet on this. Uh we could have a draft charter to the commission before the year's out. Um, do we are there any details we want to cover
with these eight points? Anything that we want to be sure Nick and staff keep in mind, things that stand out, good or bad, we want to avoid kind of red flags is >> Oh, yeah. My one question on where I
feel like there might be a delay in staff you you guys will know this more than I but will this not affect unions and will you not need to go to the unions if there is any division of jobs?
So the city has a right to organize as it feels it is just with that said we will have to negotiate the impact of any change with the unions. So we need to make a decision first and then start the negotiation process.
>> But will that have will that delay the details? Uh you know I mean because of the outcome of what the responses are will that delay this pres >> I understand if I can Dolly what I understand with the charter is once the council approves it it doesn't take
effect immediately. There is a time frame usually they have to publish it correct and then it takes effect after that. Isn't that the way the charter language usually is? So, there will be a, if I remember correctly, maybe history isn't serving me well here, but if I remember correctly, there is a time
frame for the charter language to take effect. And so, at that point, we would figure that out. Once we have a good idea where we want to go, we can start talking to the unions at that point as well. So, Any
other thoughts on things we want staff to consider? >> Can I >> Oh, Connie. Yeah. >> Can I just ask a question? So, my understanding is the charter won't address organizational chart. So, we can change the charter and not necessarily
change the organizational structure at the same time. you know, you can change your charter and then work towards those unions and all that kind of stuff to how you're going to organize because we don't want the charter to address the organizational chart in the charter. So, we can change the charter and then work
on implementing a charter change over the next two three years. >> Sure. If I may, that's that is also I share uh director Hillman's perspective on that is that the the charter should
be an a very large very overarching very general idea and it shouldn't be as to the specity as to how the city organizes such as our organizational chart. Um it does need an update, a significant
update as it has been quite binding and uh determining as to how we organize our city and its different entities um and enterprises. And so it's it's very cumbersome as to how the charter
currently is sitting um as to best organize and all that ends up being a lot of the meat and potatoes. um how we organize I and administrator Royals also had mentioned the fact that
um it the the charter can't be the binding part and the restrictive part as to how we conduct business. And so it it needs high enough level
and foundational level as to how we're going to to do all the different parts of the city, but not so minutia and pinpointed that staff doesn't have the ability to
to flex and change as future development occurs 20 years, 5 years from now. Cool. Thank you. Um, yeah, I guess my only thoughts on this, um,
I really agree with point 8 that we don't want to put more numbers in the charter. I think that's burned us many, many times in the past. Um, and so, right, more qualitative descriptions and assessments of things are better. Um, I
think the like fleet management and some of that gives me a little concern having that level of detail in the charter. Um, given that automobiles didn't necessarily exist when the charter was made, but um, in general, I think this approach is great and I'm really excited
to see uh, what everyone comes up with because I think as everyone has said tonight, this is needed. Um, we're a little little boxed in currently. So, um, really excited about this, >> Nick. >> And those things may not make the final
draft. I mean, I realize even some of the things I've said seem contradictory. I don't want the charter to get too much in the weeds operationally because then it really limits our flexibility to adapt as a council and a staff to emerging situations. So, to the greatest
extent that we can, I think it should be. I mean, the bulk of a charter is very boring and mundane. It's what do you do? How do you fill a vacancy on the board? It talks about wards. It talks about precincts. It talks about So, a lot of it probably 85% of it's very mundane. But I think so I I I don't know
what I don't know, but I think my going in position is I'd like it to be much more much more of a governance doctrinal document and not an operational document. So, the fleet management that might not even make the final draft. We'll we can work that among staff and
come with our recommendation and then we'll see what the charter commission says. Fantastic. Any other thoughts, direction for staff you want to give before they Yeah, Jan, >> I just want to make make it clear in my
brain. Um, it's number two and I think Kelly had refer it's going to be interf in infrastructure management capital, right? >> I think so. >> Okay, >> we'll see.
Oh, >> you're just giving a concept tonight. >> Yes, but I just want to make sure that I have in my brain the right direction. Okay. Right. >> Oh, sorry, Nate. I can tell you what my intent as I sit here tonight is with
number two. When we have a project that's going to be very expensive, it's going to take some time. We put out an RFP. We need designs. It could be it could be underground. It could be water, sewer, wastewater storm. It could be a street. Project management in my experience is kind of a three-pillared
thing. It's cost, schedule, and performance. And I think we have some very talented people on staff that are very good project managers. So, and those are always the high dollar things, too. So, I want to put all of the whether it's infrastructure, but what
what I'm thinking is if we send out an RFP and we need to have designs and we're going to have something constructed. I would like to have a single person that's managing the cost schedule performance for all of those projects. It's not going to be buying a firetruck. I mean, that's that's kind of a light switch. You you buy it, you get
some money, and you buy it. Uh this will be more to me, it's more infrastructure, I guess, is the best word I can think of now. But I just wanted to give you some insight at least what I was thinking right now. >> Um Nick, the only other thought I've had sitting here is I think maybe with the
the proposed changes to the charter having sort of like a some before and after comparisons. So like right Mike's example of the Greece situation saying hey before these were two different groups totally disconnected and now it's one group that can have input on the
zoning or the code all the way through the I guess installation and maintenance of that that infrastructure um just to really right I think to help us as a commission and the BPU commission to make that pitch to other groups in the
city that hey this is the benefit we're going to see It's not just, hey, we're moving people to move people. It's here's real problems or challenges that we can fix with this change. I think that would be great to review, but um would you like a motion on this or
just the discussion? You feel like you've got a good vibe. >> Mr. Chair, it's up to you. If you just direct staff to come back with a draft charter by the end of the year, that's sufficient. Make a motion if you'd like. Uh it's entirely up to you, but it will get done regardless. Yes.
>> Make a motion. >> One of you like to make a motion. >> Go ahead, James. >> I would move to direct the city administrator and staff to come back with a draft for charter changes before
the end of the year. >> And I'll second it. Lambert >> uh only discussion I have on it is do we want our friends from the BPU commission to join us at that meeting too was waiting for discussion but yes I I
think that would be my question if we were going to be involved in some of that >> yes let's would you be okay amending a motion >> if needed yes friendly amendment >> anyway >> yeah whether they >> Oh sure
>> it's just how you announce it in the paper that makes the difference. >> Y So if the amendment is needed, >> if you're going to announce it in the paper, it is. >> Do you want it noticed as a joint meeting or do you want it to be a
charter commission meeting? >> I would >> probably charter. >> Notice it as a joint meeting. >> A joint. >> Yes. >> Roger. >> That is the secondary. >> Yeah, I'm okay with that as secondary. >> Awesome. Any other discussion?
All right. Um, all in favor say I. >> I. >> Same sign. Um, any commission member reports? >> I have none. >> I have none. >> Uh, none for me. Uh, looking for a
movement to adjurnn. >> So move. Norwood. >> Second. Lambert. >> Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. >> I. Oppose. Same sign or adjourned.