Uh Jesse, does it make sense to do the oath before or should we just go and Okay. Uh start with a roll call. >> Burns >> here. >> Mickelson >> here. >> Powell >> here. >> Miller >> yes. >> here. >> Uh pledge of allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> And item four, uh, we'll have the oath of office for Jeremy. >> All right, Mr. Powell, if you mind, uh, repeating after me. Uh, I, Jeremy
Powell, >> I, Jeremy Powell, >> do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> the Constitution of the State of Minnesota >> constitution of the state of Minnesota >> and that I will faithfully discharge >> and I will faithfully discharge
>> the duties of the office of park and recreation board >> the duties of the office and park and recreation board >> of the city of Brainard, Minnesota >> of the city of Briner, Minnesota >> to the best of my judgment and ability and >> to the best of my judgment and ability. >> So help me God. So help me out. >> Congrats.
>> Welcome officially. >> Uh item five looking for an approval of the agenda. >> Agenda changes. >> I will move to approve the agenda. >> Second. >> Any discussion on the agenda? Hearing none. All in favor say I.
>> I. >> Post same sign. Agenda is approved. Item six is our consent calendar notice to the public. All matters listed are considered routine by the board and will all be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless good cause is shown prior to the
time the board votes on the motion via roll call. Uh this is a doozy. Are there any thoughts, comments on anything that we want to pull out? Cool. We be looking for a motion. >> I will make a motion to approve the
consent calendar. Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Um, please call the role. >> Burns. >> Yes. >> Michael, >> yes. >> Paulo, >> yes. >> Miller, >> yes.
>> Yes. >> I should have looked over before I said that. >> Horrible timing by me. All right. Um, we'll have item seven, the public forum. Time allocated for cisions to bring matters not on the agenda to the attention of the board. Time limits may
be imposed. Um, we'll open the public forum at 4:02. Uh, since we don't have a WebEx, there's no one there and there's no one here. So, we will also close the public forum at 4:03 p.m.
that we'll move to item 8A uh donation of the Lum Park arch roof replacement by Advantage Home Pros. Jesse, >> thank you, Mr. Chair. So, at the direction of the park board, we followed up with Mayor Bedau as well as the Advantage Home Pros regarding uh their proposal to donate the labor equipment
and materials necessary to replace the roof on top of the Lumpark Arch kind of at the entrance of the park. uh they have agreed to do so uh and their willingness to donate that work for the city. Uh we did include the two I guess be four proposals from uh the two
vendors 371 construction and high-tech construction for reference. Uh we did have $6,000 approved in the capital budget for the work. Um staff is requesting uh authorization from the park board to go ahead and allow for the or accept the donation from Advantage
Home Pros to uh complete that lump park arch roof replacement. Very nice of them. Any questions for Jesse? >> I have a motion. If you're ready, >> I have one question, Jesse. Um, would
they be doing, and I appreciate any donation they're making. Would it be asphalt or the shakes? >> My understanding is the sea cedar shakes. They've talked with their supplier that they'll donate that material. >> Super nice. Wow. >> It's amazing. >> Uh, yeah. No other questions. Do you
have a motion? >> I would make a motion to approve accepting the donation to replace the roof at Lum Park for the arch. >> And I will second. >> Um, okay. I thought of one item question for the mayor. He's going to love it. Um, since we had asked the council for
capital money for this item and we're now not going to spend it for a good reason, how would you suggest we handle the money in the capital budget? Repurpose it. Give it I think giving it
back is not usually a good thing. >> I I mean it's in your it's in your budget for the year. It has been allocated to you. I mean, yes, it was earmarked for this specific p purpose, but you have found a way to pay for that through other means and I think that that's fair game then. Um, I
easiest way would be keep it in Lump Park. Um, but in terms of what your budget is, you guys budgeted that, you were offered that from the city. You can do with it as you please after that. So, um, it it'd be different if you said, "Oh, we can't afford to do these, therefore, we're not doing them, and
then we're going to use the money on something else." But because you you're you found a way to pay for it. Um I think it's still fair game. The money has already been allocated to this to the park department. So >> cool. Thank you. Just want to make sure we're handling that.
>> Yeah, I think I think that one at least in my eyes would be a no-brainer. Other people may argue otherwise, but to me that's a no-brainer. Perfect. All right. Any other discussion on this item? Hearing none. All in favor say I.
>> I. >> Oppose. Same sign. We're gonna get a roof. Thank you again to Advantage Home Pros. >> Yeah, that's that's nice. >> Uh with that, we'll move to item 9A. Uh 2026 tree plantings proposal. Jesse,
>> thank you, Mr. Chair. So, we put together a proposal uh for the park board to consider for our annual tree plantings budget. Uh we had $25,000 included in this uh year's budget for tree uh plantings. So staff worked with uh James Crownvic, our community development director on uh putting
together a plan. Uh this year's plan we're uh proposing to include a stretch of Norway Pines along Mill Avenue at Memorial Park. Um kind of reflecting a the similar kind of line of Norway pines that are north of that entrance way on
Mill to the parking lot. Um a little bit different spacing right now just because the they are a little bit more of a costier tree. We can't afford the 25 foot spacing. Um the other thing that we've received uh comments over the um course of time has been kind of the
appearance of the uh storm water features. The we've had requests for fencing and stuff like that and obviously that's a concern from a maintenance access standpoint as well. Um so we found kind of an alternative solution that we felt was kind of aesthetically pleasing for the area that kind of blends and provides also kind of
a natural uh screening for those uh storm water features there. So, uh we're proposing to include a handful of silver, uh flame, uh grass plantings kind of around those storm water features really where kind of I want to say a
barrier between where people are likely to frequent um kind of that strip between the uh ponds and the air uh the the hockey rinks. We're probably not as worried. We want to keep those open for maintenance access as well. Um, we did include a picture of the silver
flame uh grass just to for quick reference as well. Um, based on our estimate right now, we're estimating just under the $25,000. Um if we do get uh some advantageous pricing um especially on like the the grass plantings um we would just
recommend continuing to expand the Norway Pine plantings to expend the full 25,000 further south than what we have indicated in the plan at least down to um the rest of that block. >> Questions for Jesse?
Um, when it comes to the skate park that's planned there, where are we going to be at with that in relation to trees? Are we going to plant a tree and have to take it out? >> We shouldn't have to. Uh, where they're planned is really mostly in the road right ofway. Um, so we shouldn't be
putting any real infrastructure in that area anyways. So, that's where we're trying to limit it. Uh as of right now, what's in in indicated in this uh layout, um we are actually just a little bit north of stopping a little bit north of where that uh skate park was planned in the
south third of that parking lot. >> Yeah, just to follow up with that, my my only concern would just be if there was ever a need for a curb cut. Um because obviously the one coming off of uh O I believe it's O is it Q? Q >> is Q um will potentially be going away
with the skatepark. So just keeping in mind that if there ever was a need for a curb cut coming off of um Mil Avenue that we just have spacing there to do it. Otherwise I like it. I had a similar question. If we make
that a dirt parking lot in three to five years as that payment degrades, the trees, given that they're in the street right away, I'm assuming that wouldn't be an issue for ripping out the pavement. It shouldn't. And I'll just note I'm I'd
have to double check, but I'm relatively sure that the parking lot reclamation is in this year's budget, but I I may be mistaken. I thought it was though. I'll double check. But yes, this is intended not to be in conflict with any of those upcoming projects.
>> Awesome. Cool. I'll check on that too. I forget now. >> Um and then other question. What's kind of the the proportion of the expense of the grass to the trees? If I recall, I believe I was estimating
about $1,500 per tree. So, uh times nine and give you an idea. you're eating up about half the budget just in the Norway the nine Norway pines. Um the other half was roughly in the grasses. >> Okay. >> I I think the grass is actually a very
good solution to that problem. So appreciate that. And I think I I do share the concern of just the one entry and exit um as it sits. I mean that that is a high volume like traffic. There's a lot of cars that move in and out of that parking lot. I mean, we'll change it to dirt, sure, but when we change it to
dirt, there's going to be a lot less parking guidance for people. And so, it's going to turn into a bit of a mess with only one exit entrance. Just kind of my my take on that. If we if we block off the other side, so if we're just coming off mill at the top and that's the only way in,
might not be really advantageous. I mean, we'll probably have to find another way in, right? I mean, >> yeah. I mean, ideally, you know, people can make a horseshoe that goes through, but you are correct. We'll have to put some kind of middle indicator for people
because otherwise people are not going to park down that middle strip correctly. Uh because, you know, people are wonderful with parking, but I don't think it's something that needs to the curb cut doesn't need to happen immediately because that's the beauty of having a dirt parking lot as well is that, you know, it's dirt. We don't have
to restripe it. so we don't have to do a lot of things with it. But just making sure I just don't want to put a tree in, have it grow for 5 years, tear it right back out. I just want to make sure that we're just if we've got an idea of what that could potentially look like that we've got a spot um set up for it so
we're not again $1,500 is not the end of the world, but it's $1,500 plus five years of growth. Yeah, >> that's a good tree. >> I and I do think we probably will need it. I'm I mean kind of honest like just as the parking lot sits now what's occupied on softball evenings now and
then you know any sort of sk I mean I'm going to assume a lot of the time the skateboarders are going to come not in a vehicle but you know there's still going to be some of some volume of folks utilizing the parking lot on top of what we have for softball and evenings as well. So again I think the the traffic in that parking lot could get a little
chaotic. I understand it's wide, but still even leaving on a softball evening can be, you know, challenging. And so if we have only one way to get out and in, probably not going to be very good. But >> Jesse, I >> I just wanted a quick highlight. Mill
Avenue is the county highway. Uh so we would have to coordinate with them to get an additional curb cut uh allowance. There's no guarantee of that. Um we would coordinate with them to uh to request that curb cut. And if we do so, uh, the 50- foot spacing in between
Norway pines would allow for a full access, a two-way access. So, we'd be able to accommodate that in between the trees that are proposed here. >> Awesome. Thank you, Jesse. This is a this is a great plan.
Um, looking for a motion on the trees and grasses. >> I'll make a motion to approve the 2026 tree plantings proposal. Second. >> Any further discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose. Same sign. Have a tree plan. Uh 9B, the Hitch Wayne Park sign. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, another follow-up item regarding the Hitch Wayne Park sign. It was roughly 18 in by 18 in
before it was approved as part of the uh 7th and Tamarack reconstruction project. uh looking for direction from the park board if a sign is to be replaced. Um what type of sign are you looking for? Uh park standards call it the 4x8 sign,
4T by 8 foot sign with the concrete slab and wood post. So you got an idea of the cost for that uh versus uh a replacing of inind the 18in x 18inch sign on a post mount. Um, I would note that if you're going to go around the option one because of the size, uh, we would
recommend that being installed on the south side where we have a little bit more room. Um, the north side, it's pretty tight against the curb and then it slopes off pretty quickly. U, I don't think we could fit that larger sign in there in the clear area where we need to keep it clear. Um, so I would recommend
that go on the southside if you wanted to go with option one. Um, but looking for direction from the parkboard how you'd like to pro proceed with the sign. questions or thoughts? >> I like the previous sign. I don't know if this is necessarily a place for a 4
foot by 8 foot sign, but I maybe I'm in the minority there. >> That would be the most expensive amenity in this park. >> Yeah, magnitude. Other thoughts, comments? >> Use of this park is just slight hills
typically, right? at home. >> I think I think the college was using it for some amount of ecology club work and things like that as well. Um but yeah, apart from that I it's just a slutting hill really. But >> I do have an idea to maybe bridge the
two options would be to have one sign Hitch Wayne Park and the second one the big set of Sliding Hill to highlight that it's there in the winter and that it's not just a park but like that's mostly why people go there. So, let's maybe highlight that.
Jesse, >> I I just wanted to make sure to note that there is a I don't know maybe about three foot by three foot sign, a wooden sign as you kind of walk in there about 20 ft or so next to what'll be the east sledding hill on the south side. Uh there is a
big sev sign there >> on the on the sled garage. On the sled garage. >> Oh, I didn't know that. You're welcome. >> Well, and I'm
the larger one. I'm definitely um knowing I know JD and I spoke briefly that you know the other parks do and yeah, it's not like Bane Park and all the significant things to me. It's it's
a big personal thing. It's my backyard. And uh the little boy Wayne that was part of the naming, he was coming to my home when he was hit and killed by a tarp packer. Um it was, you know, those
tremendous things. And the uh the house that we live in, it was there was a gentleman Bud Schmid who was a teacher and he was in charge of like a lot of the summer stuff and all that. and they got together to to get the piece of land
at that sort of odd little piece of land on 8th Street like over like a vine continued over. Uh, and I know there's been a sign and I don't know if the city saying no motorized vehicles because sometimes with the snowmoilers and that
that uh you know that they shouldn't be in there with the kids and stuff and um but uh I I just feel strongly that that a very nice sign to be there and and hitch the hitch side of it. He was like the
property three of the 1950s. He built most of the house homes around there and u I don't know but I wouldn't knowing the amount of real estate he was in he may have gifted some of that to the city. I don't know that but everything
around there was built by him. So uh unfortunately he died very young in his own home because he chose not to go to the hospital. He was a Christian scientist, but uh so it was a loss. He was quite a a powerhouse in the real
estate stuff, but uh um I just think it it deserves the option one. I I really think it's And you know, it it's funny with the economy bouncing around. I'm sure people don't
have the extra $100 to take their kids to the to the water parks and things on a Saturday. And there's a lot of kids out there having a great time. I mean, I look out our our backyard and it's fun
to see. I had a lot of fun there as a kid and it's good to see kids just exercising and, you know, running up and down those hills and having fun. So, I would just have a a strong feeling that I really think that the nice one
should be there. >> Peter, >> Katie, >> um there is a 18 by8 sign on the north side that no matter which direction we go, I think that should be replaced. That one's in a little bit of rough shape. Um kind of scratched up, bent up.
Um but what about the in between version? um just because of space, you know, giving the park uh priority like other parks, but also being mindful of space. JC's park on the north side has a
smaller twoost wooden sign, but it's uh probably 2 foot tall by like 3 foot wide. Would that be an option? >> I think I believe that's our old signage. the the new sign standards have been updated since that sign. So when
that gets replaced, it will be replaced with the larger sign. >> Well, uh can I make a motion? >> Yes, >> I would make the motion that we go with uh number one, the 4x8. Um, and knowing that we've have this
gift of additional money that the mayor explained we can use on other things. I don't think money is issue not to. And uh I think it would be a beautiful addition and there's pro maybe some people pulling out a speedway and they don't
know that that's city park back in there. So, I make a motion to to install the 4x8. >> A second for that motion. >> I'll second it.
>> Uh, I do have a question for you. I think Jesse was saying the sign would go at 7th and Vine and not Seventh and Tamarak. So your point about coming out of the speedway, I don't think folks would see that big sign is that >> Yeah, they'd come out of Speedway right
there and see us. >> So it would go right down there because Speedway's right here. >> Oh, I got turned around. Never mind. >> Okay. Yeah, Jesse, I think >> just a quick clarification to uh uh
member JD's uh comment about the additional 18 by 18 on the north side. if that can be clarified for staff. >> Yeah, I just I think that one on the north side should be replaced too just because of time and weathered.
>> Would you be open to that as the original? >> Sure. Sure. That could be additional. I think that's an excellent idea. >> All right. So, we've got a motion to do a 4x8 sign south entrance and replace
the 18 by8 sign on the north side. Any other discussion on this hearing? None. Uh, all in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose. Same sign. >> I >> got a sign.
Uh, 9C. Uh, approval of the Aliv Foundation AED donation. Jesse. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, we had the Aliv Foundation reach out asking to donate an AED device over at Bane Park.
Um, we've included, um, the agreement between us and the foundation, uh, the city and the foundation, uh, that kind of lays out responsibilities. Um, we would have that device installed, uh, adjacent to or on one of the facilities
in the park. Uh so at this time um staff is looking for direction from the park board if we if you want to approve the donation from the foundation uh for that AED to be installed at Bane Park. Understanding we would be taking on the liability of that device after its installation.
>> Thank you. Any thoughts, questions for Jesse? as far as do they this foundation maintain it and do the checks that are they don't um so that would be up to
the city to have someone or cuz I know I know it's minor I know we have in our church and I'm a retired nurse and one of the other nurses does whatever I I don't think it's real detailed um all I
know as a Air Force flight nurse and and doing that that those things are phenomenal at what they can do and it could be a 10-year-old kid you know that that boom put it on and their life is
saved. So, as far as the intricacies of, you know, the the proper whatever at the batteries checked and things like that, uh, I think there's definitely got to be a system with that. I don't know what
again how how that would go, but boy, it sounds like an another excellent gift to our city. >> Yep. They their responsibility is the installation and and that's it. They're they're purchasing it. After that, it is entirely the city's ownership and
maintenance. Uh our our recreation specialist, she does go through and monthly check the ads. Anyways, so >> do we have ad at other parks? >> Yes. Uh I know for sure one at Gregory. I think Memorial might have one as well. I never recall the one at Gregory was
donated as well. >> They're they're a phenomenal device and >> somebody wants to give it to I don't see why we wouldn't say yeah, we'll take it. I have a motion when you're ready. >> Cool. So, and Jesse, the maintenance is
not prohibitive today. It's easy for us to keep up with. >> Yeah, it's pretty easy to check those. >> Awesome. >> Cool. Uh, yeah. >> I make a motion to approve the donation and install it at Bane Park. >> Second.
Any further discussion on the motion? >> Hearing none. All in favor say I. I. >> Same sign. That is approved. Uh 9D 2026 ADA improvements. Jesse.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, uh looking to prepare a proposal for the annual ADA improvements in the parks. Uh we had 25,000 allocated in 2026 as well as the remaining roughly 20,000 uh from 2025. Uh it was discussed in the October
meeting uh to have a quote for ADA compliant fixtures and uh seating in the Lump Park shower building. I did want to bring it to the park board's attention in the 30-year capital plan. It is planned to have the um shower building uh rehabbed and remodeled um and similar
to the scope of work at Kowuanas. Uh that would include replacement of fixtures. Um we can definitely do the replacement now. Uh I wouldn't recommend it until next year when that work is going to get done anyways as part of that budget. Um we did include a couple
proposals um or recommendations for the park board to consider other than the Lumpark Sheller building um Memorial Park, Lump Park as well as Lions Buffalo Hills Park. Uh based on what we have in the allocated budget, um we're recommending Lump Park and Lion Buffalo
Hills Park. Um not only because they both fit within the um estimated budget, but also that um I don't know if you've heard before, we I do like to try and propose ones that have coupled in with recent capital projects as well um to
kind of make the project whole. Um, so that's where staff uh comes up with this recommendation, but looking for direction from the parkboard how you'd like to proceed. >> Thoughts on >> Yeah, I like getting the twofer. Um, and yeah, with with Thank you for pointing
that out uh with the Lumpark building, Jesse. That's great. Um, so I mean with with that in future planning, I mean, yeah, there's some amount of savings, but even we'll still have some leftover money for um these uh the upgrades in the the shower building anyway next year. So there'll be some leftover funds if we have 45,000. We're going to spend
33 and a half. So um get the two for one and uh you know make two two changes at two parks and shave the save the shower building uh upgrades for next year. >> Any other thoughts, comments? Uh I have a couple
problem today. Yeah. Um Jesse, the Buffalo Hills, the the red line says the existing sidewalk is 4 feet, but then there's a green addition. What's the width that that sidewalk
could be from the parking lot to the pavilion? >> Uh we have it shown as maybe roughly 8 foot, but it's entirely up to the park board if uh what you would recommend. I would recommend an additional 4ft strip behind the 4 foot. Uh then when
those concrete strips get narrow, um they can potentially cause long-term issues um cracking and stuff like that. So we would recommend a full 4ft strip added on to the existing 4ft um behind that that will take direction from the
parkboard what you'd like to see. >> That part makes sense. I think I would like to see only four feet from the parking lot to the pavilion. >> I I will add one more note. Um we did include so like Lump Park shown roughly
in the estimate was included as a six-foot. Uh the reason for that is a lot of our equipment is six feet uh for snow clearing. Um so it would prevent us from kind of chewing up the turf grass adjacent to the sidewalk by having a six foot wide minimum.
Can't fit a car in six feet, can you? Somebody's going to back a minivan up to the p the pavilion. Is I just see it coming. It's just such a nice straight line. >> We got parking logs over there, don't we? >> What would ever make you think that that
could possibly be an outcome that would happen in our parks? >> Yeah. And like a ballard then defeats the entire purpose of an accessible sidewalk. So, I'm hesitant to say huck a ballard in the center. Although, like three feet on each side
of a ballard, that's not unreasonable. I >> think you have to have four feet for ADA. >> The two yellow post on the edge. >> Well, and I mean I we had a conversation with the Lions about what their preferred width was to
Right. There was >> eight. >> Eight. Yeah. So, I mean that's too much, right? But I mean, yeah, it is too much. >> But I'm just saying like I you know I mean if we're going to install it right at this park, >> maybe there's a
>> medium there too. But yeah, I four feet is a six feet wide. Jesse, is there an ADA com and I realize we're making I'm making you design on the fly. A way to make it six feet because I like the
compatibility with our equipment. I think that is reasonable. Let's work as efficiently as we can, but also have something that deters someone from just driving straight down. You have to maintain a 4ft clear space
for the access route to maintain the ADA accessibility. Um 6 foot's pretty narrow. I don't think it's implied that it's accessible for vehicles. It is something that we could post the sign. No, no motorized vehicles. Um
it it the only the caution that is we don't have that same sign elsewhere and other sidewalks. We have sidewalks in a lot of parks, but we definitely can do deterrence. depends on what the park board would like to do. >> Dave, >> yeah, I just the amount of work you guys
have done to try and deter people from driving in the parks, I think you are you're on the right track of we should be thinking about that when we make these improvements because these are the improvements that are going to be there for the future. You know, you're you're not going to tear up a sidewalk in 10
years. So, um I it it saddens me that that's the case. That every time we talk about having a wider sidewalk, the first thing we got to think about is that not that people might, it is that people will drive down that sidewalk. We see it downtown. Even we had a guy with a food
truck parked on the sidewalk next to Bob and France. Guys, it's not even remotely acceptable. And yet that's the reality that we live in is that people for whatever reason have determined that sidewalks are for parking their vehicles. And sadly, we're talking about
ADA, which is about getting people access to stuff. And the problem with that is if we go too big, which would make it easier for people, then it makes it more attractive for people that are going to abuse that and put their vehicle on it. We know that they will. We've been watching it happen for a
decade here. So, it's sad. And I wish we could go out there and and really start cracking down on it, but it's almost impossible. It's every single week that somebody sends me a photo of someone in our city elected to drive their vehicle on our sidewalks. So, I just think we
need to be we need to be proactive in the way that we design things sadly moving forward. Otherwise, I love these ideas and thank you for identifying that the bathrooms are coming up next year. So, high level, I'm super on board. I just I'm hesitant
to, as Dave said, make something that we then have to enforce. Um, but anyone interested in a motion? I
look, you guys are ar you're not on board with the uh the walkway here. So I uh my motion wouldn't be very uh good. >> I'm on I'm on board with the walkway at a certain width, >> but I won't I won't die on the hill. >> Yeah. I mean, let's just make it eight and split it in half. I mean, with a
Ballard, I mean, we'll we'll give the Lions Club what they want and we split it up into into two four feet. I mean, and I mean, I don't know how much more money that's going to be. I mean, I imagine probably significantly more, but maybe we chew up the remainder and just get get the actual walkway that that the Lions Club wanted for ADA since this is
going to be our ADA park, right? So, I I think that's the the probably the compromise to to stop the vehicles and and work with our ADA partners directly. I just on a cost on a cost uh you know
if you have any insight on estimate cost estimate changes or things like that >> it's a pretty minimal cost. I think the >> we would have to go a little bit wider than eight to accommodate for the ballard and still keep the full full 4 foot clear. >> Um >> but we could narrow it back out down to
the to the eight as we move forward. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I just I was thinking about this too. I don't know. I mean, obviously when we tore it up, like we had the mounds and things like that that kind of framed the the parking lot a little bit better, so it's not people just like, "Oh, yeah, I can just move
into this, you know, but we had the hills and everything kind of when it was all leveled out." And so I was thinking, well, what, you know, but yeah, to your point, even even if it's just like an opening where people are like, "Hey, clearly park this way and don't drive up, people will still do it." So, I
think this is the best compromise. just make it eight, split it in half and and uh and kind of everybody wins um in this in this particular instance. >> Yeah. Love that. >> So, I'll make a motion for that. Then if we're if we're if we're looking if we got smiles on this one, I'll make a
motion to uh to uh build a walkway between the west and east parking lots in Memorial Field between softball fields one and two. and then uh build a walkway from the ADA saws to the pavilion increasing um from the original design to 8 ft um adding
some amount of give um to place a ballard to deter um parking or uh driving on said sidewalk >> second >> the mayor has comment here again >> I have more of a I mean again just to continue the conversation I I think it's
really sad that we have to have these conversations and we do, but that's the reality of the situation. But I do want to say that this will be our first park that has both a Ballard and BMS. So full support from the mayor on this end. Burns Ballards in Brainard, too.
>> The mayor will be moving into that park now. >> But now Yeah. But now Andrew, okay, we're ready for you. My heart can take it. I I think I like the Lum Trail a little bit more than the memorial one just because that's hooking up like we did all the improvements last year and
that's kind of rounding it out a little bit versus outside of the pumpkin festival. I'm not sure who's going like do a lot of softball folks park in that east lot and then walk >> they park in both. >> Well, it's I think this kind of future
proofs the ripping up of the parking lot as well. So, if we do have some amount of overflow, um, and there is play on field three on a consistent basis in most nights. So, if you are on field three, um, you're going to want to play, you're going to want to park in that lot and then if you have your next game at field one or two, you'll move down
there. So, that that that parking lot does get use. Okay. And um so I think there is a bit of an an ease there um of access between between parking lots and makes it so that if we do start we do run into that dirt parking lot problem in the future after we rip it up. It
kind of futureproofs it where we have another parking lot that doesn't get a ton of use. Oh, we got a got a headshake over there. >> And it does get a little damp at times and it's a little um holy and not uh not very level. So, it would be very hard
for someone to get a wheelchair through there. >> Yeah. Currently, it's pretty miserable to traverse. Yep. >> All right. So, I changed my statement. I didn't realize that you were wanting to do the the memorial one. I don't like the memorial one. I think the memorial one is a better option once you figure out what that dirt parking lot looks like. Then you create the same thing
you're doing at Buffalo Hills where you have your ADA stalls and you would put those right next to where people are where people are. I don't like this path. We've fought against that p path in the past because what's going to happen is we're going to end up taking those trees out and as soon as those trees goes now all of a sudden we're looking at netting options. Netting
options are another $50,000 that only lasts 15 years. It's just it's a it's a cost that is not indicative to us actually doing that. It's why the trees continue to be there. So the path isn't the end of the world to me. But if the solution is just to get ADA, I would say
why not put ADA stalls next to where people are going with some kind of pathway into where they're going as opposed to worrying about whether or not they have to come from the other side. I do agree with the mayor that I don't like the removal of the trees. >> Yeah. I mean, is that in the plan, you
know? No. >> Oh, >> almost have to be. >> It will be. >> Pretty much straight down the center. We have a ziggy zaggy path. We can work to avoid him. can't guarantee long-term what those trees
look like, but to the mayor's point, there's obviously there's long-term implications as well. >> The netting is the biggest issue. We've talked about that. It's such it's so cost prohibitive to doing and 50,000 at at today's cost for 15 years is such a
it's such a burden to continue to allow people to play softball, you know, and when we have a natural barrier there that I've I've continued to say that about those trees is that's why they're there is to help add protection from people getting hit by balls and the solution is very expensive. So that that
that's my biggest deterrent and and reason I've spoke against that path in the past is that it always ends up with we're going to end up losing those trees. >> So the solution is to rip up the parking lot, make it dirt, and then add and I'm starting sarcastic when I say
that. The solution to the ADA problem here is to rip the rip it up, make it dirt, and then in the future add concrete or sidewalks inside of the dirt parking lot is what you're is what you're saying. >> So, my statement to us as a city who is
building dirt parking lots is that we should be in the building of those dirt parking lots planning to have those ADA stalls. That should just be a part of that. >> Yeah. Because because again my thought with with the with the dirt parking lot is that there there has to be access
>> from there to there >> from there to the park >> if it's just a dirt parking lot on on this side. Right. So I'm Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if we're if we're going to install cement or sidewalks and you know places for folks to drop off
that need ADA access inside of the dirt the dirt parking lot, then yeah, we can skip this. Yeah, that's in in my est estimation as a city would be if we are going to dirt parking lots, which I fully support 100%. I think that is the correct move for you guys to make.
However, you should be then planning that within those dirt parking lots, there are x amount of ADA stalls and that to me solves this problem because the other parking lot is already paved. So, it doesn't have that problem. Well, it has the problem because you you
don't have access from the other parking lot, but you can park. So, you have access to the fields. You have access to one field from the dirt parking lot or at one set of fields, but then you don't have access to the other field that you play. >> 88 parking spaces at all of our
amenities. So, which there are. >> Yeah. But I'm saying that if you played on one and two, you would have to then pack up and then move over to field three later in the evening. I'm I understand it's a fringe case, but I'm just saying like the that the actual traversing between fields one, two, and
three become a little bit more complicated. >> We could pave every park. >> I >> pave every single inch of every park. We could do that. >> I'm not interested in that. This is a problem solving thing that you know again is fringe case but if we're going to make these installations you know I
and and their improvements it's having somebody pack up and move to the other side of the park in their vehicle and not having access to the other side of the park is not accessibility. It's just a place for you to park. >> Well part of the problem too you got to remember is it's mobility issues as well
though. So, it may be better for them to have access at the other side with ADA marked parking spaces on the other side as well. We have three amenities over there. If you figured four spots per amenity, that's 12 ADA parking spaces that could be over there. >> I agree.
>> I think that would I think that lots. >> I just it's they're just separated by an intraversible area. That's the that's the main problem right now for for accessibility. That's that's my only thing with this. And I don't know if there's actually a very easy solution
here because if you look at even let's just say in hypo a hypothetical situation we're building a path around the backside. You know again we wouldn't but like you build a path around the back side of that then we now we're running into the end of that field where you would potentially approach that is
going to be a skate park. So there's no way around either of these two fields to get to field three with an ADA accessible path. the only good path is the one through and I mean for accessibility purposes. So I mean I understand the logistical problems,
right? Trees and um tree removal and and those types of things, but >> this is the only this is the only actual ADA piece that makes sense. >> Sure. I'll just say ultimately this is the problem that I have with with ADA accessibility is that you can make everything ADA accessible. You can do
that. It is 100% possible. It's not cost prohibitive and it's also creates further problems i.e. the removal of trees and I would I'll just continue to fight against it for a future cost analysis of the cost of playing softball becomes improhibitive because you
believe that people cannot drive their vehicle over to there because they don't have access but yet the problem is that they don't have access. It's a it's a mobility issue. So I I I I understand the concept of it. I just I fight against every single approach that we
have on a sidewalk in the city of Brainard is $10,000. Every single one. That's the problem with ADA is that it has become so cost prohibitive because we continue to make it so stringent and believe that everything has to be always accessible when we have to sometimes
come to agreement that maybe it's cost prohibitive to do that. I think where I'm at with Memorial is we know we have parking lot changes coming. We have the skatepark coming. We have a bunch of soccer stuff happening there this year that's new. I'd like to maybe
sort some of those out before we put a path in. And maybe we do put a path in there. Um but I think I'd want to get those sorted versus lum where we've got a lot of recent progress and this kind of puts a bow on it. Uh, that's kind of
where I'm coming from. I think there's a need as you've described it. I think the cost of potentially the trees is rough, but there is a need also. So, I I hear where you're coming from, but I think for where we're at today, Lum feels like
the the choice we're more ready for. >> We do have a motion that we have to vote on on that one, though. >> That is true. >> Um, let's vote on that motion. >> Do we Oh, you seconded it. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Uh all in favor of the motion say I
>> post same sign. >> I >> I >> that motion fails. >> Anyone else interested in the motion? >> Jesse, we don't have a deadline that we have to spend this by, right? Like we can do it in two chunks.
>> Yeah, it's entirely up to the board. I would make a motion that we uh proceed with the Lions Buffalo Hills ADA pathway at the 8 foot plus with the bolard in the middle and then uh we can reserve the rest of the funds for later this
year. >> Second that. >> Any further discussion hearing? None. All in favor say I. I >> same sign that passes. >> Yeah. Jesse,
>> Mr. Chair, if we can get direction from the park board of when you would like to see this come back. >> So, I'll to me the the memorial one seems partly tied to the safety of those trees. I think
>> I maybe we just the more memorial site I think is just one of those like we have to see what the summer traffic is going to look like with all of the activities going on. So let's just see how folks move through the park. Let's see what the the parking lot looks like after it's dug up. Um I mean I think those are
the best conversations that we can really have on the memorial side and then for the lump park side I don't know. I mean for that that concept isn't necessarily I don't know I maybe we can just have another just
one more idea for the next meeting maybe on top of the lump park idea. I mean this spends the money pretty much perfect but um you know >> what about JC's park? We have handicap spots at JC's Park that are not paved in that dirt parking lot kind of like David mentioned and it'd be a quick little
jaunt to connect to that new path. We could potentially see rough cost estimates for JC's as well and paving those handicap stalls that were put in there. >> Roughly about 5,000 to do the one at uh Lions Buffalo Hills.
>> Oh, a little under 5,000. >> Maybe we considered that. Yeah. >> At at next month's meeting as well. There's a lot of tournaments held there with families that come to town. >> Yeah, that's a good one, Dave. >> Yeah. I just if we're going to be making tour parking lots, we should be trying to include those anyways. That should
just be a part of what we're looking at with the cost of those. But also, when you come back with the memorial one, just see if it is even possible for us to do it without removing the trees. But I've I've seen that plan many times and every single time it has those trees being removed. So, um I've yet to see it
come back without with a way in which we figured that that's not going to happen. So, it sounds like what we're looking from, Jesse, is um I think you already have the estimate, Jesse, but the cost of doing the stalls at JC's and then maybe a
feasibility of saving the trees at Memorial for March if does that I know you have like two hats. Is that okay with your you have more than two hats, but is that okay with your your time splits right now? No, we have we have good direction.
>> Okay, thank you. >> Thanks. All right, let me scroll back up. Uh, that is it for new business. Uh, moving on to staff reports. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't have much to add to what's in the packet. I just
want to note a couple things. Uh, Memorial Park. Um, it is not the parking lot that's on this year. It's the playground replacement that's on this year. Um, and speaking of playgrounds, we did have a meeting with the Kuwanas Club. Uh, they're starting to kind of scope and plan their playground
replacement in a couple years. Um, so we met with them. Obviously, Lions is still in the process of their planning as well for their playground. Uh, so had a little bit of a discussion about that. Uh, we do have a request for proposals out with TWWM Architecture, the same
firm, uh, Travis Miller that prepared the plans for Kiwanas, uh, the rehab a couple years ago. Oh, he's doing the same thing for the upcoming Lump Park Shower Building. Uh, so you'll see that at probably the next park board meeting. Um, and then, uh, just note that we're
still trying to build ice right now with the cold weather, but uh, this is the time of year where it becomes very touch and go if we can have ice. So, we'll keep posting stuff on Facebook when things are available, but um, we're we're running out of the season at this point. So,
>> totally. Uh any questions for Jesse or Lisa about did we solve the ice ring problem? I mean we were they were talking about you know uh issues with ice before the temperatures
increased um the 40°. So I mean have we have we solved that yet? Do we find a fix >> specifically at Memorial? >> Yes. Uh it's likely a a shelter or cover is the only way to uh prevent that sun from beating on that north end as much
as it does. Um staff is working on putting together what that might look like from a number standpoint just to get something in front of the park board to chew on. Um but we're still working on that process. Okay. >> Awesome. Anything else for
staff. All right. Just say that was 10 A or was that A through D for you? >> If there's if there's questions from the parkboard on any of the staff report items, feel free to ask. >> Cool.
Uh without any other questions, move to board member reports. >> Yeah. Nothing for me this month. >> Anything for you? No, >> nothing for me. >> Um, if we could have the maintenance staff check out some of the parks, there's a lot of trees that are down after or not trees, but branches that
are down. Gregory Park especially. Um, I think Rotary had some tree trimming going on, so I'm assuming that'll be taken care of. But, um, just buzz through the parks now that there's not much snow. >> I do have one item. Um, and Jesse, what's the hitch Wayne one that's on
there that you've got under D? >> We were just clarifying there was the the complaint about some no trespassing signs that were installed within the park. So, just indicating not only where our park property is. Yep. >> Um, but where those signs were. Um, so I
did indicate there where those two signs were installed. The one was removed because that's very clearly uh within the property. The one is very close to that corner. Um it's really an unusable area anyways. So I we did not remove that sign if that makes sense.
>> Sure. Okay. I just wanted to make sure we were clear on that. The other thing I do want to mention is that I did receive a email from Trent from BPU. U we had previously here talked about and then BPU had talked about the replacement of lights at Hitchwane. And so he sent me
some costs um on those. We can get them in a future meeting. Obviously, we're at we're at the end of that season anyways, so it's not a rush, but he sent me some crossovers. So, I'll I'll shoot them over to you guys. Initially, it was just in my eyes, it was just replacement of
some lights along the uh eastern side, but he did show some other options. Obviously, there's more cost with every option. And whether or not we feel that that's the appropriate thing to do or not, do we want to light this up like a Christmas tree? You know, what what is the what is the goal? I don't know. But
I did want you guys to know that I did receive those from BPU. So, um, that's been a long time in the motion. So, it'll be nice to just kind of get that. And again, small improvements at this park is nice to see. So, >> Andrew, actually have something >> just small comment. Um, I actually, um, because we touched on this before, um,
Tuesday, uh, the day after President's Day, um, uh, the garbages were overflowing again downtown. Um, so I, like I said, I don't know. We we had talked about that before and again whoever's in charge of that. I know it's holiday weekend. It's one of those things. I'm sure I'm sure they would
have been changed out on on Monday, but um I can't like Tuesday downtown again after the holiday. It was just overflowing with garbage again. So >> uh look for a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Any discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Post. Same sign. We are adjourned. >> Perfect.