this meeting at 11:55 the next part is to enter into some deliberations but also to get some feedback from the staff with regards to uh our two candidates who were interviewed today um and kind of go so
what I'd like to do if the council's all right with this is start off by getting the um feedback from staff kind of get some input from them and then kind of start the discussion about what we think where we're at good points positives negatives where are we at and then if we
want to make a decision moving forward or not or whatever that looks like so is everybody comfortable with that okay I'm not sure how as staff you guys want to proceed with this um do you have a spokesperson ah Jory is the one so Jory if you want to step up and then put the
mic on so everybody can hear it because it's being recorded we'd appreciate that does that work can everybody hear me yeah I think so all right uh thank you Mr Mayor all right so real quick we started with Fred we had
Fred in first and our general assessment of Fred is he's obviously more experienced he's a little more polished he answers the questions exactly how you would expect him to answer the questions which you know he's done several interviews in the past so he's getting
pretty good at this and our assessment essentially is he's more of a turnkey guy he's got the experience he's he's got knowledge of the inner workings of cities and stuff like that so he would be a guy that could uh Plug and Play so to speak you could come in and he would
he would be able to do the job the downsides of Fred is wasn't quite as personable uh you know might be a little harder to just communicate with on a one-on-one basis or especially with the staff in the office you know with us
it's it's just Joe that's got it he does a pretty good job between that so we don't you know deal with that too much but in the office you know the day-to-day workings you know it might be a little uh harder like I said just to get to the point with him he seems like he's very busy if that makes sense in his
day-to-day stuff um now Richard the good thing with Richard is he is approachable you know what I mean he's he's very personable um you can talk to him seems like he's very willing to step in and do whatever we want him to do um and you know a little more moldable to so what I
have written down actually is e a little less experienced but he might be better suited to learning what the city wants and the needs a little more moldable and I thought in his interview he had more direct answers to your guys' questions more to the point a little bit like that um so all in all like we had talked to
and I think everybody agrees talking to the staff if we had to choose one we lean towards Richard but and I know it's a time constraint I we are also open to opening it back up and seeing what else might we might be able to find that maybe is a a little better suited
because you know both of them have their strengths both of them have their faults and uh that's kind of where we are at with that if that makes sense yeah no and any specific questions from the council back to the staff based on the input you just
heard okay well we appreciate your input we appreciate you guys taking the time to put that together and give it to us of course for us it's always a challenge to try and decide what's the the best for all and and what's going to work and um you know you made a good valid point
at the end in regards to well you know is it something we need to look at further or what so I guess that's that's what we're tasked with so appreciate your input and we'll definitely take it into consideration as we work through the process now so sounds good thank you Jory thank you all right
well do we do we want to approach it this way to just kind of go through each one of us kind of talk about what they think of each candidate kind of put it out there on the table and see where everybody's at there might be some commonality or some consensus or something we see there as we go through
it and then you know uh think about just you know what do we want to do what's ultimately at the end of the day we we have the ability to make a decision today um on one of the two camp candidates we have the ability to say you know what we we're not quite there
yet and we need to look for some other candidates we you know so we have some options there um at the end of the day of what we want to do so I guess I would just say whoever wants to start I'm I'm open to letting them go through and then we'll just go from there so anybody any
want to go first up council member Jensen I can go all right I'll let you fire away I agree with and staff I think um Fred was much more polished I think he
has a far greater skill set than Richard um I think he could be plug andplay you know the communication piece is hard he's probably you know it didn't appear to be a real outgoing person but he has the background in infrastructure
and finance which has always been big with me for the candidates that go before the council um to be quite Frank I did not think Richard interviewed well at all I
think the answers he provided to the questions were on a very small scale in a narrow scope and I personally don't see him as the city administrator Talent that's just my
opinion um he does have some skills that would be beneficial to the city the planning you know Community Development but at the end of the day you know how much Community Development are we going to do I mean the next few years is
infrastructure um you know we have sewer and streets um the budget was on a small scale um we're much larger um I just I don't see him as a
good personally um Fred going to be plug andplay but I get the communication piece too you know he said the right things but will he effectively you know communicate with staff because let's be
honest we didn't have that before and it's an important piece and we need it so and I'm open to you know do we need to look at more candidates um you know when you lose your top three candidates and now we're down to the
alternates I would be lying if I didn't say I was very disappointed I mean it it but it happens I mean that's you know that's just the way it is so that's kind of my you know two cents on both candidates thank
you next next um I I I'll kind of echo what has been said I think Fred came in with with a better interview process answered questions a little bit more direct um has the skill set to that could take off in running
um I think the I think the communication could could come in time I'd hope that you know because we have a very communicative staff we have great staff that works here and we're just looking for that leader to be able to to to lead that day-to-day operations and and look forward to us and and work with us um
and I think Fred has that skill set to be able to do so um between the two um Fred and my mind shined more than Richard um would I be comfortable Fred I think I would um it is it is unfortunate that we
had the the other three candidates that dropped out um I would have really liked to see at least Fred compared to at least one of those candidates um to see how how they would interact and how they'd interview and how they'd answer um some of these questions that we had for them and kind of get an insight into
their leadership styles uh to compare um do I think Fred could do the job I think he could um I would not be opposed either way if we move forward with with with a potential of threed or a potential of of seen again who who might be out there um you know we we saw the
pool of applicants the first time and and you know the second time maybe maybe some people have changed I mean it's been a while it's been since December January that things have posted things have changed in people's lives and and what's going on with the community um that they serve and so we might see some additional candidates that we didn't see
before [Music] um yeah that's what I have thank you council member council member ball uh I guess I liked things out of both candidates I definitely did not
think Fred was as personable either um that for me that first interview is very boring to sit through um not that that means he's not a good candidate I mean he's obviously more qualified than Richard for the position he would be able to just do more things easier more
easily than Richard Richard would have to get up to speed on a lot more than just what he indicated I think um um than just like zoning um I think they both did about even I think for answering questions like I
think Fred answered the same thing most of the time um Richard I think all those answers were short and there was a couple he didn't really answer the question but some of the other ones I thought his resp resp es were good um I just from a qualification standpoint
Fred is is clearly more qualified um and if we want somebody to be able to do everything right away um then we we should go with Fred but um or continue looking I think um because I think Richard would be nice like assistant
like if we had somebody else that was going to stick around and teach him the ropes for a while but I I would be nervous about him like just coming in and being able to do all the things that are coming up in the next year that we talked about like Bushman and and everything else but okay
good well my thought is that neither one of them and they both had things that they brought to the table um Fred definitely as everybody said I think he's a little more polished he's had some experience but I wasn't
sold um I think on honestly that longevity is still going to be an issue and I worry about that sorry just it's there the history is there and I can't shake that out of my head um
and you know bounced around a lot North Carolina Massachusetts Kansas now it's Minnesota where's the next stop um he definitely has the attributes to do the job I think you're right you can bring him in you
could plug him in he could get it done I could see him saying once all those are his question what do you see is the biggest things he want he he's looking at what what will I need to get accomplished and then once I get done with that I'm out that's kind of what
went through my head as I heard that Richard nice guy like him he's got a good personality he's very comfortable but he doesn't have the skills that's just I'm just being straight up I just don't think he's there he doesn't have what we need um you know Capital
Improvement projects 28 $2,800 project to fix a little Bleak in a room and I mean we're talking multi-million dollar projects so that's nothing against him it's just the experience of not having that I agree I wish we would have had at least one of our top three to be able to
compare I think that would have made a difference um I say this while I think we want to make a decision I think we also have to factor in the idea don't make the decision just
to make the decision so that you have somebody in place if we feel we would benefit by going back out and taking another swing at it and seeing whether the candidates are out there I would be in favor of that I know it stretches our timeline out I know
that we have things going on I know it backs everything up but I guess I asked the question to the council do we want to do our best job to make sure we get it right because it's a huge huge important decision and do we want to be a year
down the road be right back here again we don't know if that'll happen but I'm just throwing that out there I think that has to be taken into consideration so again I'm only one council person I don't speak for the whole Council I'm just telling you what I think and where
I'm at um but at the end of the day we have we're we need to make some type of a decision today to continue to move the process forward whatever that is that we decide so that's kind of where I'm at and I'm open to hearing further
discussion thoughts ideas I I was definitely still concerned about the longevity I didn't get from Fred that he would stay around longer than two years um so that's and we did we did talk about we don't want to be back here in two years doing this
again right if that's the guy then I don't I think we should keep looking I mean at the end of the day I think we should keep looking I mean neither canidate like say Richard I just felt did not interview well and to your
point yeah the capital plan $2,800 Corner missing in a building he doesn't he is not ready to be an administrator nor do I ever think he will be that's just my opinion it doesn't have the skill set Fred does
that being said we put it back out I mean we need to move quickly oh yeah we need to have availability dates from all council members Andre there needs to be a short lag time yep very short I mean we need
to be very aggressive um with these candidates getting them in getting them interviewed and at the end of the day if we don't find anybody you know Fred may still be there um you know personality wise I I don't know if he was a fit with
staff skill set wise I mean he had all the tools um you know the longevity I had to ask the question cuz that bothered me you didn't ask it I was going to ask it so you asked both the questions I was going to ask so don't
that's good I'm glad you did with Richard I wanted to know you know why didn't you know he didn't answer the questions but I just you know I don't see Richard having the the skill set to be a city of missp especially whoever we bring in here and staff knows this we
have a lot going on in this city we've put a lot on hold you know we're moving forward staff is doing a fantastic job we're lucky to have you know Jerry is our intern City administrator that made a very smooth transition you know we
still have to get through the building season you know I mean it's it's a busy time um but we have the staff to do it and I'm comfortable doing it as long as it is the priority right um I think it's the right
decision where yeah I have nothing further to add than that okay I'm all right with that any input from you m yeah the the first of all to answer the one question about uh communication so we do ask that those specific questions during those
background and reference calls and so each of those situations that there was no report that he didn't communicate well he didn't share information well so we didn't have anything negative like that uh so I heard that question the other question in regards to uh going out for another consideration we are in
it to win it with you here absolutely we are uh and I did have a conversation a little bit earlier today uh with staff about that scenario and the realities are uh actually had it had the conversation with the with the staff
itself about why did the pool look like the way it is well it's because this is greater Minnesota and you got to live you got to want to live here and those are the types of candidates that you're going to that you're going to attract so by going out we will just to caution the council or
set expectations the pool's probably not going to change that much from what we had from three weeks a month ago to today um but like I said we're in it to win it with you we do provide a one-year uh certification that you know the
candidate if it doesn't work out doesn't work out and we're back to where we are um so we're happy to do that too so but really it just I just want to set expectations that the pool may be relatively small you know we'll have to do a small budget to get some marketing dollars out there which is um not a big
deal but um we can we can definitely do that if that's the wishes of the council and we can just go from there but like I said just manage expectations in regards to the type of pool that you might get if there's any change I think it's understood yeah okay all right all right
just okay thank you and again I don't want to speak for the council but I think we're all sitting here going that's we want to do that I think because by at the end of the day if you're just not comfortable with it you're not comfortable with it and we have to make a decision that's going to
work for our staff our city us moving forward and that's whether it's a 6 months down the road two years down the road whatever that is and and I've always said this hiring is an art I don't care what anybody says it's an art you can have some of the best skill sets
you can have some of the best things and you think you made the right decision and you realize oh we didn't so at the end of the day does that mean we're going to get it right I don't know CU it's an art but I think we want to give ourselves the best opportunity chance to get it right and what I'm hearing from
the council as a whole is maybe we're not there yet so um we probably need to have a some type of a motion from the Council to keep a process going so Mr Mayor it could be as simple as that the council would table selection of a city
administrator until a further date y uh to be determined uh then from there a second motion could be to direct uh staff to work with your consultant to uh secure advertising dollars and to set up a uh what did what did I hear an aggressive timetable yes uh to to follow
up for a second round of interviews for you yeah I think it's really important just to speak to that aggressive timetable is that we we and I understand that were things out of our control to a degree but I don't want to lag like we had the last time between when we selected and when we interviewed it was
too long and I think it cost us but that's just my own thought and opinion on that um so okay so do I have a motion to table selection of candidate uh at this point in time so moved second so I have a a motion from council member ball
a second from council member to table uh selecting a uh City administrator for the city of Breezy Point at this time all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed extensions the motion
carries do I have another motion to keep the process moving forward so move second okay so the motion is to have uh staff work with Mike and his group consulting firm to
look at putting together uh some dollars for some marketing as well as um an aggressive timetable to go back out and seek further candidates for us for an interview process any further discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by
saying I I I opposed extensions motion carries Mr Mayor I would have one question and maybe we leading to this yes Mr BAC obviously was our interm administrator for short term yes this is lengthening that is there any concerns
from the council that we should be aware of with Mr bonack I think I told some of you I wouldn't abandon you that said you're keeping the process going so
I'm I'm I'm okay with that I don't know if the staff's okay okay so what we're hearing is you you're willing to stay with us here until we can at least get this process finished he says he's in it to win it I
think I'm probably in it to win it more well said well said thank you um all right well hearing no other uh business before us I call for a motion to adjourn so move I have a motion from council member second second from
council member Jon all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed abstentions motion carries this meeting is adjourned