I call the meeting to order shall we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance ready de I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all so roll call who wants to do Joe are you going to do that sure uh to absent Williams here slpy
presentent Ernie here Traer here Miller here zeran here all right we're going to add Ken and Eric Peterson to the agenda um so it' be under number
five and it's in regards to the pickle ball and that is the only other additions to the agenda so approval of minutes next I'm really liking the AI
minutes you guys are loving it a lot more detail and less staff time you want a motion to approve yes please I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from February 13th oh second
second all in favor say I I oppose say n approved all right so we're on to our grant information and services so would you come up say your name and address and your position and get ready
for your PowerPoint presentation so we may need to turn around a little bit you guys but you got it all if you want to review it in your email yes um I'm Lori Prim from Cross Lake
with premium Grant Services LLC started my own Grant business a number of years ago um representing myself today and I understand that you are looking at the DNR Grant there's a number of directions
we could approach this from but but um we're going to follow the PowerPoint today and I welcome questions throughout the presentation or if you'd like to hold questions till the end we we we can do both as well I will give you just a little bit more information um on myself um thank
you for asking me to be here today Gail thank you um D you want to flip us to the next thank you I've been in the Grant Consulting business about seven years um just under a million in funding very
very very close to that number while a million sounds like a good number in the grant world it's not necessarily that huge a number if any of you have worked with especially in a municipality setting like this you can get into the very large grants very quickly I've accomplished this though through working
with local regional state funders it took me a lot of Grants to get to that number which is a good thing because it's given me a very well-rounded background um learn to think on my feet I guess and if one thing doesn't work you try another thing so it I feel it's
a pretty strong background I have a master's in management I have a grant professional certification that I just uh achieved last year project management certification which also is so helpful in the grant World especially when you get into larger grants like this to know
how all the right steps to lead a project through from begin to end um as I said I live in Cross Lake with my husband and um I have a passion for grant writing I can fly out of bed 4:00 in the morning and be be happy to be up
and working so um so anyway let's see where this goes uh with you folks tonight in your questions and um Deb do you want to flip us to the next one please any questions at the introductory
introductory level okay so I took this screenshot that Gail sent to me just to have a rough idea of where you might land I know this is a very tentative number she said to use the pavement uh sixc Court
figure and I heard Joe pardon me Joe out of the corner of my ear mentioned like like you said already we have to be ADA Compliant with anything new that we do and for purposes of the of the DNR Grant if it if the new work that we're doing
attaches to things that are critically related we may have to retrofit to do some ADA compliance work there as well so Case by casee basis we would look at Park features there Deb so again there were me there are
many ways we could have approached this but I thought let's start with the funding piece the money um to see based on what I know about some of our uh funding opportunities here this is one way it could play out and it's not a bad
picture um so I took that number off the first screen that you're needing to fund tentatively more to come uh as you finish your planning 176,000 the DNR Grant matches 50% of what your total project amount is or
what your total ask is to them up to a maximum of 50% of your project cost then we have this lovely Regional funer Source while I'm sure you're aware of them or that your city folks next door
are well aware of them and they have uh come into some new contracts in the last couple of years that have greatly increase the amount of uh funding that they're able to give especially to municipalities theyve got a a soft spot for uh the cities I believe and so we do
uh depending on where you stand with any current funding with Source well we would have an opportunity that I think we could time right to get another 50,000 in then to um match the the DNR Grant is a matching Grant so we have to fund the other half of it ourselves
50,000 could then come in from sourcewell um looks why does it look like I oh the DNR then the community match um and then so we've got these smaller bullet points then to meet the
rest of that uh number which could come into your donations and fundraising City funds on hand Park committee funds on hand um part of that match can be done in in kind labor um and believe it or not our
volunteer time in the state size is worth $31.80 so you know we are as valuable as we feel but it's it's it's not the minimum wage by any means um Regional funders um
a national funer ident boy I have to get my own long long range glasses on here um but other opportunities there's certainly more things we can continue to look at Gail uh through a a regional Grant at me um I've worked with that one
before as well there's there's several others that we can take a look at so the overall funding plan it's not written in stone um but it's looking relatively doable I think depending on where your your coffers are standing and your
ability to do additional fundraising now with this all said we know that there's a lot of interesting things happening in the news related to the grant world not nothing of what you're touching here right now is National grant money although
sometimes even State funding is funneled through from federal but I have talked to the folks um at the state and as of the current grant that I have open I have Ann raph's permission to use the term 50 Lakes I would wouldn't ever
share any confidential information but I have successfully won the grant for them and she says anything that can help Breezy Point is fine uh to mention is you know I I wouldn't go into anything confidential but just to drop their name
um checked with them about that and there weren't for their funding any National Funds coming through at that point so um I do have an email into the state DNR contact asking if she sees any changes coming down the road as a result of executive orders or uh anything on
that political Horizon and I have not heard back yet I think it's a fair question of source sourcewell also that I have not posed yet so but just to give you I've gone to so many uh seminars lately about the uncertainties with with
uh the funding world nowadays and they the advice I got is recently is a seminar I was in today is keep moving forward as though nothing's going to change uh if you haven't heard that your grants will be adversely affected then keep moving forward I think that's what
we'll do here any questions on that yet okay Deb please so team composition is what I chose to present next because writing a grant can't be
done in a vac uh whether you choose me or choose someone else to write this grant for you you can't just say now we've got a grant writer in place and now we're going to walk away um there is so much work to be done to write a grant of this nature and
I'm sure you've all looked at the peat sample that was attached I mean the one I wrote wasn't quite that long but it was close and you can just see all of the various studies that need to be done a lot of that is led by the grant writer but there are so so many other things
that need to be in place I always look at a especially a larger Grant like this as having at least two major components and one is the project plan the actual project you're going to build I can chase grant money all day long for you but if you don't have a solid plan in
place and have a a project team ready to to get it activated to get all your vendors in in place in the right timeline and get the estimates and um the DNR Grant is requiring a lot of very specific written plans in a in a precise
manner um and if you don't have them right they'll kick it back and and make you redo them so um so there's a lot of folks that need to be involved there's uh the the planner and the project manager from the city I understand Joel will probably be playing a key role in
summer all of that um the the business contact there's going to be some Financial things that will need to be included I always say there there's really not a lot of secrets between a grant writer and and her client Because by the time I get done pulling the information from you
that you need for the grant pretty much but but you are a public entity anyway so transparency is important um anyway and we expect that they are very big on the maps that
are created um so I don't I I am I have a person that I'm recommending there just because we've had great luck uh also in the 50 Lakes Grant but also personally he's done some personal real estate work for me and has just been great um really quick quick thinker
quick on his feet can turn things quickly um again they they have very precise requirements for their maps at various levels um the vendors need to provide plans and estimates this is a key thing about the
DNR Grant it their work needs to be priced at a prevailing wage rate um not just minimum wage they may think you're doing you a favor by Pro providing as low cost labor as they can to do your work for you but part of what the DNR as
part of the overall government is trying to do I I guess is ensure that the workers who are doing the work for you are paid fairly um so they have what's called prevailing wage I am not an expert on that but any vendors that
you're working with should be should understand or be able to do the research to find out what their work should be um estimated to you using prevailing wages so that'll bring your costs up from from any estimates that maybe you've even already
received um so that comes to the grant writer piece of the team um somebody who could maybe lead you through it if you haven't been through this before and I guess that's a question I have for you we'll come back to that in a minute um we have another lovely opportunity with
sourcewell right now it's it's almost too good to be true but it's been true for the past couple of years um and we should check when I was at a seminar in December sourceful said that they expected that they would be able to offer this grant again next year and
that is to pay for third parties who you can hire to do work like grant writing so right now all of the folks that I work with are under contract with sourcil um we do an estimate upfront and say we think this is what the grant is going to cost they pre-approve it and
then we go through the year and I bill I do the work I bill you you pay me and then at the end of that year sourcewell pays you 100% of my fees back I think that they would probably cover the maps uh piece of it as well and there may be
other people that we need to hire as we go through the process that we should we should again good good reason to be starting early to think through all of these needs needs and then we can tee that up with sourcewell um by July 1st I believe is when that Grant period
opens and then the post award part of the team um and there's more than just post award it's during the the whole process to there's a a reimbursement manual that the DNR will provide to you uh telling you exactly how to um request
your payments this is a grant that doesn't fund you up front it funds they'll give you a credit in the Minnesota Swift system which is their money transfer vehicle um I'm sure your city has signed up with swift already
and the person in charge of uh submitting for payments would lump them into four sets um You probably save the last one till the end until you've got everything everything that you know that you're going to have to be submitting for payment for and then do that toward
the end but four in four sets you can submit to the state and they will send you payments through the Swift system then into your account that's that's how it's paid so you have to prove to them through invoices canceled checks whatever the reimbursement manual says
um that you've paid that money and uh they will reimburse you then from the from the grant that's sitting as a credit to you in Swift and there may be some other team members we have to pull in along the way um as well but it's uh it's definitely a
group uh which is so neat that you're starting early again I applaud you for that um when Gail and I first talked it would have been too late uh even though the deadline isn't until the end of March um you can see as as we look at
the peat um grant that there's some very complex Wildlife um bird studies archaeological studies and some of those literally take weeks in in and of themselves to come back back um so so to speed this up and and the and the level
of plans that you have ready may not have been quite where they needed to be either so it seems like a long time to wait to do the majority of the build in 2026 but that's the timeline that we're looking at now with h with this timing
Deb the other thing was City Hall too and all the other things going on we need to get that done and clear before we move on yeah probably seems like a little more graceful approach
MH so the eligibility I'm going to come a little closer to see my own notes here do you want to take this copy I've got a copy actually I think we'll we'll do fine here okay this uh there's a lot of words here but there's only a couple that count here the eligibility for Minnesota
municipalities um there are a number of larger components that this grant needs to have they they aren't going to let you take Grant of this magnitude and just build a little sidewalk from point A to point B they want something big to show for their money and in your
instance the one that fits if we're looking mainly at pickle ball courts will be the sports fields and courts um but so you have to have one at least one of those big ones but then you can come in with smaller items like the sidewalks and and all the other peripheral items
um there are eligible items and ineligible items and those are very clearly laid out and if there's any grade um gray area that we we have DNR contacts to go to and ask about that so the application should be worked mid
2025 through March 2026 um the grant writing can begin I mean that's something we can talk about you know I don't even know if we if we are the ones who will be working together for sure this is really an educational seminar for you tonight
to to let you know about the grant but if in fact we were to uh work together you'd probably want to have the majority of the work after July 1 when sourcewell could then start reimbursing although some work ahead of time you know we
could talk about that but that should be very adequate time to write the grant as long as we know that the project management and the the planning the maps and all those things are happening along the way they can kind of come together at the end I highly recommend uh frankly
would insist that we submit a month early in the end of February because they have given us the grace to give them uh it has to be virtually 100% complete you have to it's at the point where if you waited till
the end of the March you'd be submitting the same thing but you do it a month early and then they tell you what they'd like to see improved and that is just a really a godsend because um we we found on the one we did we didn't have a lot of things to fix but I was very grateful
that we were able to fix what we did and when we submitted it we won it so I think that people who don't take advantage of that early review are kind of this is a competitive Grant you know and you have to give yourself every Edge um to win so and I think that's a big
one um I've already mentioned that there's several studies of wildlife the bird the archaeological it can delay timing so um and there's also I found a precise point in time when it needs to be done you can't just go in early early
because then part of it can expire so that's one of the tricky components of this you have to really watch your timing um I almost missed it by a day but I didn't miss it so um Lessons Learned um then the award will be
announced July 2026 and the grant period will begin fall of 2026 which is interesting it it could happen as early as September you know we say that the majority of the work needs to happen the summer of
um 20 pardon me let me look at my own notes here again yeah the majority of the work is done summer 2027 but but the nice thing if we have a nice fall depending on what's in your project
plan is there's some trees we can take out is there some excavation that we can do because you cannot lift a finger to do the work on this GR Grant until the grant period starts and that will be late fall in 2026 they will not pay for any work that's been completed and we
need to have good Integrity with that um so but there are things that can be done in a good late fall even here in Minnesota and then plan to start right away the next spring that's why project management timelines tasks vendor
schedules are all very important the project side of it like I talked about not necessarily the grand side because once you win the grant you need to push it through uh to get your work done by June 2028 is going
to be the end of the work period so any questions so far on that okay de there is a there are hundreds of pages that Govern of informational uh text that govern this grant but I picked
out a few that I thought you might find interesting and and that you should be ready for the public should be involved to give input they must be involved um need to hold meetings or meetings um part of the normal Council meetings Park meetings however you do it um and not
and notify folks ahead of time that you're going to be talking about um this project this potentially uh the grants that you're seeking and give uh the public ability to give feedback and and we need to document that we need to
provide that with the grant um the city council and the park board Andor the park board however you're structured I'm not sure how that all works yet uh must sign agreement to seeking the Grant and to all plans uh that are being submitted with the grant be full
agreement um all Park projects must be maintained uh for outdoor recreation into perpetuity which is kind of interesting and they enforce that by having you um record a deed restriction to the county before they will do the the
final I think be if awarded and before the final payment I believe that needs to be done so the DNR is in the business of keeping this these parks that they're funding as Parks forever they don't want it to be a temporary thing that now we're going to tear down the the courts
in a couple years and put in something else they wanted to remain Park land and I've mentioned a couple times strong project management will be required for the success of the overall project financial management is important um you know these These are
relatively big funds um you want them to be tracked separately carefully um I'm cities are are subject to audit so you're going to want this to be very clean and and able to be presented to your Auditors in whatever
need um that they have and then once again a firm timeline will be needed for the grant so we really have to think things through ahead ahead of time y oh another big list just a sampling of
items needed from the team and you will have seen this played out in the peat application but written plans with diagrams to their specifications and related narratives drawings and our I istic renderings of all components they
even have a methodology that they want you to show the the um thickness of a sidewalk or an asphalt Trail um they they really make you think it through well um
written plans for walkways thicknesses as I mentioned firm cost estimates for each component with estimates at prevailing wage rate uh they want photographs of the proposed site um probably best to have no snow cover but I think we're fine on that now um oh there may be some snow coming again but
I don't think it will last long and we're not to that point yet anyway multiple um aerial maps from several perspectives as we've talked about a wetland study if applicable the wildlife the bird the archaeological studies that
I've brought up a couple times there's a couple of new ones that came in this past year um I do have notes on them but I don't have them in the the presentation um a couple of years ago they didn't even have this level of study so the applications were simpler
but now each one of these Studies have has a multiple page uh output and they all need to be included in the application we may not need permits actually approved for the application but we need to understand what the need
for permits will be and um ensure that there won't be any hindrance is um that all parties who would need to agree to uh the permits are are going to be willing to do so um we don't want any surprises of that nature that would slow
down the the process because on once you start marching toward that March 31st Grant submission date you want it to go pretty smoothly and the DNR says right out they want the project virtually shovel ready ready to go um and kind of the neat thing about
their Grant process is as um precise as it is it does force you to think through almost every detail um and be fully ready to build so they almost provide a project management template for you um
which which has been interesting um to go through and a good thing Deb are we done that is it okay yeah thank you Deb for helping me
with that thank you so I'm wide open any questions if I don't know an answer I'll research it and get back to you I have a question about the um public meetings yes so if we if we hired you for the grant writing um would that
be something like you would attend to answer that end of like public meting maybe questions about the specific gr things I would absolutely be willing and able to do that yep yeah I'd want to be your partner all the way through because it's a it really
is a Consulting role as well as a writing role um to work everyone through the process but you know you have some fun along the way too it's not just all work yes and what a great thing that you're doing at the end of it to have a
celebration of some beautiful new courts out there it's uh it's worthwhile work any we even have a representative of the youth population will be a future pickle ball player here with us tonight thank you for coming I bet you didn't
have a choice right well Lori yes thank you so much um she put all this together for us there's a lot to to look at for down the road um but it's all there and we have it in our reach now if we need it um Lori did this
part all pro bono um and CU she has a soft spot she said for breezy used to live here she used to live here so she put a lot more together than I was expecting and and it's really great thank you so much welcome I have some more F uh frequently
asked questions and some more tips and I'll just hand them to you Gail and you can read them and let me know later if you have any questions so from your Viewpoint our next steps are as I understand it map getting the map going and getting
um the contract for you approved so you can start putting the pieces together those are would be a couple of the key things okay um I think that even before the maps and maybe you understand this and maybe this is a joke question um really
I guess you know let me turn that back to you folks where are you in the process we didn't have a lot of conversation about this scale this is just the start we just started literally this so you got quite a bit of land back there you know I drive by here you know
several times a week and now I'm looking in the back field because I have a new perspective on hey we're where those courts going to go so we do have we do have a potential site identified we did choose and that that you know
that we think you know and Joe's done a lot of figuring how what courts would fit in there and that there's some potential for future expansion of it in that space okay so it's kind of back off behind the Garden area more okay um so
you know that's that's kind of and we're definitely I think all in agreement that we're excited about going for it so we think this would be a really great addition to our parks um so yeah and Joe's done a lot of work with you know those initial estimates
and and kind of looking at that so kind of a decision of how how much how many courts we'd want to move ahead with to start and yeah let's go outside that box for just a minute if you really want a first step uh what I think I would do if
I were in your shoes um and maybe you've done this unofficially already I'd look at every bit of land that you have for Park back here every bit of it and I don't know if you need to work for a term with a a long-term Park planner or
maybe between all of you you've got the background and the know how to do that yourselves take a look at every acre you've got back there and say what's our long-term plan for this where do we really want to go with this there's quite a bit of land back there that doesn't have anything on it and maybe
the city's got a plan or maybe you have a plan um I'd have fun putting on some boots and walking back there someday too and just kind of before you know if we move forward on this together I I just want to have a visual in my mind too about where things are um but I would
you know what's the comprehensive Park plan I guess I would I would take a look at that to some degree before you moved forward just with the courts because here's a piece of advice I got about the DNR Grant because it is such a comprehensive Grant to write and will
take a fair amount of time and money to write it put as many things in there as make sense for you to do right now so that you're not going back to the back to the well and back to the well uh to get more money um I I spoke to another
I'll just say another local park person who won a grant a few years ago and his advice was put as many things in there as you can um you I I read your your little old overview about you where the
Overflow parking would go and so forth you can even do some parking lot work with this grant um it can only be 40 some per I believe of the overall Grant amount um because they don't want to put all their money just into parking lots
but again to to reach your Ada when they come in and park are they able to go all the way from the parking lot to the courts uh and be ADA Compliant um you know I would take a a real Global
look at things and and in fact um of the area you want to improve when you get into some of your Maps you're going to have to probably say this area is unimproved right now we want to leave it unimproved for now um I don't know draw out the whole box of
where you want things and then decide which pieces you're going to color in now with this first grant so to speak that's where I would go with the first step really understand what you want to do back there with every acre you've got um to your
Avail you're right on I mean 100% we have our master plan and we have kind of decided since City Hall was approved and is getting upgraded that we're going to make this park our first priority from the other parks and so we do need to get
mapped we do need to um and we've been talking about that so this might be a great well this is the perfect opportunity to and since we have time you've got time that's the beauty of this it would have been wrong to to rush you through this in on so many
levels do this right and you can have I guarantee for years to come for breezy y now and and get the first piece funded and and get a trust level built with DNR I have to talk to you too about the risk of this we could go through all
of this and not win the grant it is a competitive Grant um didn't want to forget to say that we can put our absolute best foot forward but there could be other people that they have to you know the committee that reviews will put ahead of us uh through no fault
of our own there's a lot of things that are out of our hands when apply Grant that's Global to the grant world you run into that no I have a question for you mine very comprehensive love your presentation an eye opener for sure if I
understand everything and forar uh a shovel would not be put in the ground for construction until the summer of 2027 is that correct if there is Meaningful work that you can do from late 2026 when the grant
period starts you can put a shovel in the ground absolutely okay but I know just the nature of Courts I know Nate and you're working with Nate at yeah there's a window of time when you don't want to put any asphalt down or any courts down and that window approaches
winter a little ways out so depends upon your timeline so the the second question that relates to that um could it be done in peace meal in other words if they have X amount of dollars in their budget and some citizens and businesses get together and they put uh let's say they
raise 200,000 with outside the grant money and I believe it's very doable wow if they do that would they then be able to add and go to DNR for uh Trail grants and or parking lot grants or something that would um enhance the whole park
enhance the whole thing I believe the answer to that would be yes um it would allow you to build more again start with trying to understand what you want from short term to long term and because you have to be able to apply for the the
meaningful construction pieces but if you've raised more money that means you've got more match and you can ask the DNR for more money but you have to have a plan to spend that money before we move forward with the grant quick question yeah no that's great my question is
um is it POS yeah I guess I'm maybe being naive but is it possible to do this without the I don't want to say hoop jumping of DNR but absolutely if you got a gentleman who saying you can raise that's what we'll hear right after this okay awesome yeah
yes yeah and like he said it won't cover maybe all of it but then we can get the parking lot and some more sidewalks or whatever maybe the bathroom traditionally that um we've had sorry put this on um we've
had um good good experience with DNR like with the fishing pier and so so we have some pieces in place we've gotten a school Grant through the DNR recently for archery equipment and so I think and that's within Breezy Point good so I
think that historically we have that good relationship built so far and it'd be great to be able to continue with that so um there is a minimum amount too for the DNR Grant so I think I'd have to look up I think it
might be a $50,000 project minimum and then you would be requesting 25 they won't give they won't Grant anything less than 25 I'd have to check my guidelines but that's close to the number so again they don't want to be dealing with a lot of real small things
so question when when is it appropriate to have meetings with the with open to the public meetings I would say you would want your plan firmed up your Global plan so that you are showing them something
concrete um you will maybe have had a decision you've done some good homework already on the court piece and then uh you know plot that piece on the on the Global plan to say here's the piece we want to do now so then they have a
concrete um item to respond to and you could tell them this is how we're planning to fund it see where we're at with the with the fundraising by then and um and you know what you won't hurt my feelings if you don't need me to write the DNR
Grant I I'm I like to do this type of thing and I'm happy to have even gotten you to this point so um yes sir I I certainly didn't mean to do anything that would insinuate bypassing you I have I get it I have I
have a hurry up offense nobody likes to wait and and I'm just seeing there's a lot of necessary Hoops to jump through in order to bring the DNR in right and so based on other communities and I'll give you an example
and I don't know the exact details on it Walker built eight courts when they made the decision to do it they raised 175,000 in 30 days it's amazing what you can raise the reason why I asked about the DNR and some of these grants it's
very complicated it's way beyond my pay grate and you are instrumental in moving this into a bigger uh bigger capacity so and I'm not even involved with Breezy Point I've just kind of been talking to him a little bit and helping them with
this but I'm very impressed by your your talk thank you um your your professionalism and those that know me they know that my goal is to help get this done serve the community as quickly as possible yeah
but then the bigger picture is how can we bring you in and make it even a better more world class facility with the help of the DNR with the help of sourcewell and and look at that three years down the road and have a magn
magnificent worldclass Park that uh that could be utilized before my 80th birthday right since hold your party there two weeks this seems like a good time to transition and Lori can you stay if we
do have to come back for question I was going to ask you when you want me to step out just let me know but no you I I like this stuff I'm happy to stay so you want me to stay on a mic no I we're going to have caner come up Ken please ask question all right so This Ss like a
good time to switch over and then oh one more question yeah sure you're suggesting a a a map type plan with all things we may Envision in the future in that area they they could be blocked in but not even planned for but but the
space is set aside for things yeah the DNR is going to want that actually we're going to need a pretty pretty skilled Park planner person I don't know that we I don't I don't feel that I have enough knowledge
to take this massive area and lay out what's appropriate for each each part or what we may want so we have to have a pretty darn clear idea of what we may want one day so that we don't build this and say oh God we put it right where we need to do such and such and now now
we're we're messed up that's partly why you want to look at that comprehensive View is is is it best to hire a a park planner a park advisor type person or where well now you're getting Jerry is
Jerry Diane I can answer that question um most cities use their engineering firm so wood Seth wood Seth is our engineering firm n use wood Seth um that's kind of we got as far as City
staff are going to get you the next step cost money mean they have the cap well the pquad application with Seth pretty much did everything start to finish so yeah that was done by the wood set the grant writer as well wasn't it yep
they they have on staff grant writers that's who we've used in the past so yeah yeah and that's an option for you too and you should maybe look at that you know as you're looking at various uh options to get this done again you're not going to hurt my feelings if you you need to do the best thing for the city
but as far as um and the wiith is yeah your spot on and I I wouldn't ever refute that but the this map gentleman um can also do quite a bit he he doesn't just build maps at our Direction I I mean
when I mentioned that he had worked for us personally and he um I did a p split of a couple of property properties that we had and he does that level of work as well we'll we'll do a a county approved level
of um he's not a surveyor but um he does an output that's almost that precise so so I think there's there's resources to do that relatively um cost efficiently um and I also want to
say you could probably challenge me on that or it's something that I could go to the DNR and ask and say hey Breezy Point is this many acres and they want to put a you know their courts right here how much more do you really want them to be able to tell you they're
going to do with the rest of the land I I said there' be things tonight that I couldn't maybe answer that would be my my best advice but whether the DNR is going to require I think they might but I can check on that so and I also do love the
idea of thinking big maybe you want to take this thing further than the little Court diagram you gave me Gail by the time you get done thinking it through M um okay enough said any more
questions okay thank you welcome do you want me to clip it on you sure I need help there you go hi there hello so what would you like for me Gail invited me I'm Ken Peterson I'm not Rel
related to Eric but we are pickle ball friends and that's one of the things I'll probably talk about my wife cammy's back here as well and Dave speos from the resort is also here they have their pickall ideas as well could you speak up please I don't if the mic's not turned the right
way maybe okay okay great I us do work with de long ago as well I know everybody in here yeah it's crazy so yes I was thought I was going to kind of come here and just kind of encourage you in your quest I can see you're very very early uh very enthusiastic I don't need to
encourage you about anything really you talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars grants and plans which is all great uh I don't know if you have any questions for me any of you play pickle ball by the way excellent the rest of you will
be that's how it goes and I I guess the main thing that I've learned in the past few years I started playing pickleball in 2016 I was a lifelong tennis coach uh for Anoka High School and blae high schools and such and a teacher of course too well you should say your full name
and your address too my address yeah would you like my Breezy Point address or my your Breezy Point yes we're in uh delward Acres uh Liza Del Lane uh in Breezy Point uh right down there uh we built our place our cabin there in
2007 2007 and such and uh cammy's family is the Keen family who've been up here since uh this 1960s Bob Keane and and that whole family so she's a lifelong Breezy person literally lifelong Breezy person and such so I was brought into the fold
in 1999 so a lot of contacts up here spent a lot of time up here I think we can tell you the one best thing we ever did at our cabin was two years ago we put in a pickleball court at our cabin and the reason I say that is say go to the cabin you play with your your every your family
but none of our family wanted to play Pock ball till we built that now nieces nephews grandchildren our kids every day were out there in the morning playing with each other and communicating and and
socializing talking to your kids they're not on their phones it's really interesting I was taking hold of them and we have so much fun every morning every evening it's become a real spot and what you're going to have with this
times six or more because what it'll do for your community place to recreate and so on but it'll bring a build you a community uh Cross Lake have any of you ever been played over there every day you go over there 60 50 40 people building more courts we've met some of
our best friends ever playing pickleball across Lake and so dick Sherry Burns for example who are residents and such so you're going to start playing with your friends and neighbors who you waved at on the street or never met and suddenly
you're going to meet them and be there several times a week with them and become friends with them and you're you know your uh your voters you're going to be with your community so it's going to be a really unifying force for your community and spread your friendship
field and people you know the community and Beyond uh but you ever would think believe me I played tennis for like 50 some years I have a few tennis friends I have some golf buddies I have hundreds and hundreds of friends literally all over the country where I played
pickleball yes it's been amazing my wife cammi became a player and she can reluctantly at first but now she's Whole Hog it was her idea to put the cord in our backyard so that tells you shes into it so I'm just really pushing you to
really keep the fight going you're real early you have a lot of work potentially to do and I and I admire you for that down the road if fundraising comes up in the coming months or years Eric knows I know some people in the area who
would help and when you get to that point you're long away from that but who knows what can to happen so that's the other you know David's here back here just to let you know Cammy and I have been talking with him and Bob about them
possibility an indoor Facility by the hockey rank and by Northstar and that will help your community economically and such again you won't believe people who come from you know Walker just spent for eight courts outside courts 200 Grand whatever
and the when you think they want to play they'll be coming down here and spending money down here same with a Crosby huge Community bringer of course with Eric so cross Lakes say no more you know they you know tons of money for more courts uh they're all in but in the winter
nobody over there can play they have that little tiny gym terrible they would fill over here in a minute the year rounders so so that's my encouragement for you I don't know if you have any questions uh I've been teaching pickle ball for a while now
since they took me out of retirement my youngest son is now a pickleball instructor and uh it just uh just takes over your family in such a positive way posi for well one thing that was talked about was maintenance
maintaining and our plan to maintain and what I've heard and I think Eric told us the first you know when he came here to get us all excited the first time um that tournaments are good fundraisers sure charity events and
charity events out and play and donate to such and such whatever it might be uh yeah yeah it's a great fund reing thing cuz uh you can when you have a tournament or an event you can time play Pickwell very predictable and that most games last 15 minutes or so or you can
set the time you can play 10-minute games whatever and yet people rotate in mixing and socializing whatever else have up there it's they're much easier to manage than most any other kind of tournament golf everybody spread out out everywhere you know everybody's right
here so the people who raised all that money how did they do it that I don't know so maybe we'll have you explain it is it through 5013c is it how did they do it because I know they have the pal foundation in
Cross Lake we know that if you wanted so if we're done with Ken then maybe more need any more encouragement from me then maybe we go to the other Peterson yes I wish I could see he's older but he's not
yeah how old are you I just turned 73 so oh yeah I'm getting up there anyhow uh funny my father's name was Ken Peterson and uh the other interesting thing is I I met this Ken Peterson and Cammy at Cross Lake on the pickleball courts and
as we chatted about all this uh he said you got a tennis background I said yeah I played tennis at wetta Country Club that was my introduction and he goes when and I told him he goes who is your instructor I go David Yorks and he goes I applied for that job and that that son
of a gun got it instead of instead of him so we go back to you know when I was 15 16 years old anyhow so as far as Walker the interesting thing is in the pickle ball Community every Association is
extremely um willing to provide information on what they did it's not like it's a secret and we're going through this process in Briner right now we did set up uh an LLC and then we went through the process of a
5013c and we're working with the city of Brainard we met with uh the Rex director we've met with the mayor we've met with the public service uh director that just moved from Vegas and was instrumental in putting in I don't know 60 70 80 courts
there and uh now hosting some of the biggest tournaments in the United States and brainer really wants to get courts put in they have zero dollar in their budget and so I I'm I don't think I'm speaking out of school or doing anything that uh uh would undermine our
relationship with Brainard uh they really believe that they could maybe get courts put in on their own in 10 years well once again I don't want to celebrate you know my 90th birthday on their new courts and uh I've always believed there's two ways you get to uh the top
of an oak tree you can bury an acorn and sit on it and wait or you can figure out how to climb it so with brain we have taken the initiative and with their blessing so for us Brainard has
Gregory Park uh they've got two very nice tennis courts they've got three very old tennis courts are that that really need in order for safety liability exposure they need to be redone so we looked at that we've measured it we've had uh uh Nate from
outdoor Specialties come in look at the concrete surface and for us we're looking at approximately 120,000 to repurpose those courts put in the proper fencing uh put in a gathering area and that's our goal we're waiting
for a written memorandum and this is going to also um maybe answer your question about maintenance and so we're waiting for the written memorandum from the city that we've got to go ahead and we're hoping to get that any day once that starts we're going to start our fundraising and
we know we've got several um individuals that would donate a a pretty good amount of money uh we also are going to deal with Source well and deal with uh asentia because we've got people involved from asenta that are playing pickle ball and they say you
know come to us and uh our goal is to get uh these courts done this summer um maybe have them usable by August we are highly motivated uh we're in an organized group and the one thing we've
done with the city is that we've asked if if we're going to do all the fundraising then we would like to have a relationship that is going to serve both of us and that relationship is that we will create a membership driven
pickleball club membership is not going to be high it's going to be maybe $30 uh for the entire year and with that we are going to pull in the money for the maintenance for nets for wind screens for that type
of thing uh and and for that we would like to have the courts designated for membership drop in from 8:00 until noon now we're inclusive we're incl it doesn't mean that if somebody comes in they're not a
member that they're going to be excluded it just means that we are going to do our best to explain to that individual bring them in welcoming arms and say know we've created a membership program here for play Monday wednes Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday 8 to
noon Anybody Everybody of course is welcome but that's where we definitely have the courts for our use the other thing we like is those courts are lit so the younger generation a few of them said well wait a minute now you you old guys yeah that's great for you to have
that time uh during the morning I go lights are going to be available until 9:00 or 10:00 at night so even those of you that have you're working eight courts is definitely going to serve the community so I think G your question is you know how you pay for the maintenance
maintenance on 68 courts is about $5,000 a year so we're going to W work with the city to do that our agreement with them I think is going to be a 10year agreement it's going to have a little bit of a sunset to it which we feel is very reasonable uh our goal is to use that
and then to move it into working with with Baxter and putting Quartz in Baer and really our goal is to you know um do what we can to provide the best environment for multi-generations to get
together Ken you said it very well uh it's it's very unique in that four generations are playing together they're bringing the blankets they're bringing the toys they're bringing the coloring books they're bringing food and they're making it at a family event uh not a one month event but uh multiple times one of
the biggest challenges we fa we we we face is that with Lauren Thompson we uh which is in Baxter we worked with a city council for three years to get two dedicated courts put in and to repaint One tennis court so it would serve as a
tennis court and two pickle ball courts the tennis net is always up and you can use each pickle ball court if you bring in a portable net you know what the biggest challenge is if you go there at 4:00 you're not going to be able to play because all the
courts are taken and people are standing around and they want to play and so we know that this is this is not uh this is Field of Dreams if you build it they will come it's it's not a it's not a rouette wheel it's not a roll of the
dice it's not anything other than this is still the fastest growing sport in the world because I think it's all inclusive I think it's very social and you are definitely doing the right thing and I think you will be you will be applauded uh people will thank you over
and over again for what you've done with the community so our fundraising um we are we're we're we're we're kind of like we're we're kind of like these wild stallions and you know Lori somebody like you you're the harness you're the
Reigns that provide the direction does that make you know what I mean I know exactly what you're saying yeah and and so we're we're going in with uh eyes wide open but I know that we will work it out and we're driven uh we we don't have time to wait for the
DNR grants not that that's bad but we definitely want to get uh get this done this summer so I I'm I'm not answering your question on exactly who how but I just believe you say yes and then you figure it
out you say yes and then you figure it out and for you it's your timeline I know you've got some money in the budget right now can you work with Lori get some things put in place this summer and then really add to it and build a
monument over the next two or three years to the decisions you make in the next couple of weeks so um I don't know if that helps at all uh I just you know whatever I know whatever
I find out uh and as as we go down this road that we've not been down as I go down it all that information is available to you but I do know you have a driven individual driven couple here uh dick and Sher Burns you know them they're driven to get this done I'll
tell you what I get a text from him about every third day Eric this is what you got to tell him is that the truth yes I've got a few yeah yeah yeah yeah this this is are you going to the meeting uh yeah well if you don't I'm going to kill you and you know
so probably listening yeah he's probably anyhow but that's good for you and he knows a lot of people uh he's a businessman uh he's very rate relatable uh social and uh that's an awesome asset to have in your corner so uh any
questions uh and Lori are you familiar with what niswa is doing they I've been reading the Articles they're going to be probably needing this grant as well unless they can find private funding yep
same thing I went to the first meeting they have got a very large 13 and a. half $4 million plan their pickle ball plan uh along with a playground is about 1.3 1.5 million and uh very uh oh my
gosh it's it's very complicated there's a lot of moving pieces and it'll be interesting to see how they navigate through it because anybody that plays pickle ball they go that is a very uh far finish line for us to start
fundraising um so they need they they do need you they do need you um they definitely and and Joe I assume maybe you've talked to them about how they created their master plan uh because this this is a big deal they've got it all laid out for hockey rinks uh uh roof
over the hockey rink coolers uh Pavilion and that type of thing it's it's going to be a big deal so Gail you had a question yeah I just wondered I'm just we just have courts right now I I see that if we're going to have tournaments and things like that our stands
necessary is shade necess shaded areas necessary you know well um I I play Ken have you played any the Cross Lake tournaments yeah okay so both Ken and I played there I think I played in the first one and it's interesting it's not
so it it is getting to be a bigger and bigger spectator sport if you watch the pros when they played five years ago and now you watch the pro tournaments MLP Major League tournaments and that uh it is interesting to see how the viewership
has increased big time uh Cross Lake has got uh I think a seating area for 40 people everybody stands around they want to be close they want to hear the ball they want they want to hear the grunts they want to hear the noise uh they want to hear their officials uh they want to
be there they don't want to be back 30 or 40 feet uh so for tournaments really it's participating that's going to be the biggest thing uh and you've got players coming and going uh you know if you have six courts or eight courts whatever it
might be um the the the the number the people in attendance are generally going to be players spouses close friends and maybe a few family members and those that are just really getting into pickle ball that are that they want to see quality play and try and pick up some of
the nuance on how to improve their game but you can hold a tournament without a big uh you know set of stands and seats and in my opinion would you would you agree with that Ken I but at minimum leav some some space around the courts
cross shade is always yeah but leave a little around the courts right rather than just boxing get in with everything else okay so that's all I had um I guess for um
Dave just we want to make sure we're I'm glad you're here because we were concerned that we would you know we want to make sure we're going to help each other's business and not step on your feet okay because that was a
concern we would have brought up can I can I address this yes please and and Ken can corroborate this uh pickleball is very interesting in that there are no courts in the area no courts in the area that you can reserve
a court especially in the winter time and if I understand it you're going to put in four or six courts next to your restaurant possibly possibly okay and four or six indoor courts and there's a court reservation system that is
Flawless that would serve you and every outdoor Court would be a feeder ESS to what that to that yeah and that is what is missing in this whole upper Central
Lakes area so it's symbiotic it would be yes it' be very very healthy we just wanted to make sure of that because I did talk to the mayor and he said they're putting in their courts and it's we don't want to you know we're already going to have courts there and I said well we're not sure if
they're putting it in for sure but they're also going to be a fee always they won't be available for free and and they'll be indoors and that's outdoor you know so it's two different things and hopefully we would I I thought we would be helping each other out but defin I just want to make sure and I'm
so glad that you came yeah yeah yeah y so so good good to know thank you uh the last thing I'll say if um I wrote an article for Lake Country journal and so it's on pickle
ball the pickle ball of heel and you know I I wrote it with the idea that communities and nonprofits people that are doing the fundraising they would be able to use that as uh kind of a Gateway for having a conversation and or Leave
Behind material and uh so it's the last edition of the Lake Country Journal I brought one and uh I don't know if there's any way that I can link to the article but I do have the last draft that I wrote for him that uh I can email I can send out to anybody and and if
that would be helpful in you moving forward what's on the cover of that magazine well let me show you I got is it the March April oh yeah it is okay so our garden should be in there too our garden should be in that one and our garden is in there our garden
article should be in there and I haven't seen it yet so I'm excited yeah our community garden which we're opening shortly thank you very much all right staff reports moving
on uh icluded a brief memo um there's a lot going up for uh tax forfeit auction uh I highlighted all the city-owned properties around the city campus in green um it has the
blue uh it's the one that has the blue perimeter um that would be close as you can see that's kind of oh yeah we the Future Park area that's what the previous Park committees worked done for number of years um so Jerry
brought it to my attention uh fits with our with our campus idea yep yes this is exactly what we were hoping in in our timing and it's in our master plan to continue to
acquire so don't see this as it's one of our items so I yeah it's a priority motion yeah okay I make a motion I would I I would motion to for a recommendation to go to the council I'll make the
motion that we uh try to acquire that tax forfeit lot as presented here before it goes up on auction and recommend the council what the coun has to approve it recommending Council
Jerry number they changed how they do the that lot is on the auction today oh so it could be sold right now no it that auction is open from now through April
8th oh so whoever's the high bidder on April 8th will get that of property if in fact there are no biders for that piece of property on April 8th then it goes to another pot of land that can be
bought over the counter at a later date but they do have some minimum values that they have on there on that land the process that they used to use two years ago has been thrown out the
whole new process that is approved by the state of Minnesota so uh the auction is open from now till April 8 so does the does the council need to purchase it bid against the public I believe that's what's going to
happen is there any way that we could get a value what do you know es800 okay so what do we need we need to recommend Council on am subit a bed meeting to try to acquire it yeah okay
do we don't say before the option the option is is in process as we speak I thought it was already like beyond that and up for up no the the process that they used to use two years ago was
being wrong by the state of Minnesota like where we could cut try to like reserve one for the city yes they used to call it conservation and non conservation they don't do that any it first has to go public before the uh once they once they
determine that it go that the time is up for their they have to wait a certain amount of time for then they put it on the auction and it has to go through the auction okay so would it be wiser to do a motion to request that city
council ask the city council to try and acquire that Acquire that actively try active yeah I'll make the motion asking the city council to try to acquire that lot as soon as we put a dollar amount in it or that's up to them that's up to
that's up to okay and we have to say before April 8th by April 8th yes so let's include that date so that they know there's urgency yeah yeah Jerry do they wait till the end and then see who made the highest offer or
does do they take the first offer no the last the highest highest offer who's going to get it okay so it's like a silent auction up till then yeah you could you could throw in a bid today of $100 and somebody came
along on April 8th and bid $200 and they would be deemed the highest bidder at the time that may not meet their minimum criteria okay so it may not be sold Jerry I have a quick
question our next city council meeting is April 7th yeah so is that enough time for the for the city council to move on that sure okay yeah day yeah I know I just didn't know
if the hours and how quick that going be pretty tight turn around for the council all right I would second okay second any discussion all in favor say I I
opposed done excellent that's a nice surprise thank you great I what I should also tell you is that the the two lots that were being
donated yes because those properties never went through probate there is a long timeline of of Hoops that have to happen before they
can even make that donation so but the our attorney is helping them go through right some of those necessary Hoops are but that's going to take some time is time meaning 10 years 5 years two years do you have
any idea I'm thinking 12 months um a year okay okay in your lifetime okay I mean hey Hoops who knows how long that can mean yeah okay so that's good to know cuz then we'll take that in consideration when we're looking at what
we want to put on in the master plan for y Joe did good information did um we're starting up work on wrapping up a water supply spets are going in um on the
community garden the irrigation pieces are going in because it's above ground um Frost is exceptionally deep this year um we've been finding I've been hearing reports of up to six feet so um then I'm going
to be setting up a meeting with high-tech Andy pickar to figure out how the water will be supplied um we have a rough idea we know it's possible but we need to get something concrete um in
concert with City Hall cuz the wells drilled um the Plumbing isn't in but we need to work together so I'm going to be doing that tomorrow and uh that that's all I have about signs are we looking at next
month to look over um some PR if I have time okay um I do have uh the plot signs ordered I mean everything we need to make it work is secured or getting secured um the ace folks it sounds like
they're willing to to donate garden hoses um tools um George Wells talked to me on Saturday when I was getting bait so um oh George and Aaron Aaron uh is a general manager so um that's just
working informally with them right now so um and then yeah everything else is looking pretty good I think hopefully the weather holds and um we shouldn't have any problems I think over half of
the gardens's reserved well over half my question all the ray Gardens are full oh shoot except the 17in there's a couple of those open couple 17 okay and then over half of the INR are uh open so
awesome I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing fills out once people come back in May so awesome so exciting yeah it is so exciting that's great great news all right Committee Member
reports I I'd like to make a couple comments MH um having gone through a less than wonderful experience with the disc golf being accused of doing stuff in secret not having public
input I'd like to figure out a way to um have have maybe at a Parks meeting where we advertise anybody who's interested in pickle ball come and show up and make comment if you're opposed to pickle ball come up and make your comments but um I want I'd like to see that on the record
and I want to have something happen that prevents uh the mess we had for sure although it was in in progress for years and it was no secret right no one sought out information so it wasn't really our fault but I'd like to do it with a
little more Splash out there public notice in the paper so far so far we've had letters to people I I have not had anybody or we have not had people coming at previous Parks meetings begging for pickle ball we've had two albe very
enthusiastic people but we don't know for sure right that the the this community I don't mean people coming from Cross Lake to to use our courts which I don't care but I want to know is people that live here that pay taxes here are interested in this well I can
answer that a little bit because everybody that I've mentioned say what are you working on on the parks committee and I say well this is our next you know idea and they they're thrill they may they may be Dean but remember when Bill would bring us all
these surveys I surveyed people and and five people told me this and we like who are the people where are they from we we we didn't put a lot of credibility in that so I want them hear I've had positive responses so far bring bring
those people want you know I want to hear it I don't I don't want that kind of criticism we had before and that is required for the DNR grants anyway as she said and we're we're definitely not going to make that mistake no but we're also to that point yet yes we're not
here's the thing that I'm thinking of though is you have these meetings and splash yeah you might get one or two negative but we might get some people that come that say Hey I'm all in and I want to give money yeah like that could this could turn into a very positive thing
and after I'll be honest I'm new I listened to the the board meeting I I don't want to hear that and all we need to do is just be do that upfront andent yeah yeah well we just need to learn we
were being transparent as transparent as we I mean it knew how to be or whatever um it was always public it was always things posted but um we've now learned and we know that we need to be more proactive in getting the involvement
sooner like deian said it's we're not there right now but soon soon yeah yeah very soon and and there are some houses that are over you know around we need to send letters out to only because the
lady uh reaffirmed something that I told you last month I think once you have this pretty picture you could put that all over the place and you can sell that
yeah exactly and you can you can use that to say when Joe Blow comes in here and says well I'm not for pickle ball but I want another uh Little Lake Park or something like that you can say that's part of the
master plan this is what we're working on today but that's coming for the future you can use that as a tool to sell what you're doing exactly and and I can't express to you how valuable that will be but I think that's probably the
first thing you should be thinking about doing so are you are you a like a a I don't know your background I'm sorry to that I don't know more about are you um like capable of doing this this master
layout of all possible things we might want I'm not I'm I'm a I'm a retired City administrator M okay I'm a big picture person um I've dealt with a lot of
grants in my in my time they all come with some strengths they all come with extra costs you got to be aware of that it's not all free money but the better job you can do the
better chance you have of being competitive that that whole rent realm is competitive there are other folks that are asking for the same things better job you do the better chance you got but I you really have to look at
hiring a professional so do we tell you that now pardon do we tell you that now do we ask Council what is the first step well I think number one I think you got to I think you got to get figure out what you want to do and and I I believe the first step is
to we need to work is what it sounds like to me we need a workshop Mapp mapping the area and say here we want this and here we want a that is that a point to request wait one at a time I don't anticipate
anybody spending the amount of money that Cross Lake and and N would did on that said take a look at what they've done and I think you can get an idea of some of the minimums that you have to do
there's this pretty glassy stuff can you get us some of that information you can go right on their websites and look right on their websites yep I've been looking at this okay I'm wondering if this is a wise time then if we're wanting to look at the bigger picture and to get a wi Seth p and maybe it's
not that person I don't know but like to get somebody at the table that has the skills to I think in my mind um you mentioned Workshop I think some time to sit down with our master plan with a map
of our city property and US brainstorming And discussing where do we see this being and roughly draw it out right then we go to Wood Seth or wherever and say this is
we need something pretty with this you know precise and and maybe we also look at the person that she recommended as well and we we talk to both of them and were you were just not just handing them land and saying what should we do with
this we have an idea in mind we've worked on that so we need to put that together right unofficially you know informally to start and then I agree with that Dan me too and then we go go and take the next
step and spend the money to get it into a working do we have an input meeting before we spend money the workshop you know we we show what we're thinking in case we want to modify that well we did have a meeting
about our master plan yes and pickleball was included in that master plan I'm talking about the public meeting yes it was a public meeting we we we we had a public meeting to say this is our Master Parks plan poor and that was yeah it was
not well attended but it was we publicized it we offered it and we had to do that before our plan could be approved so that's in Fairly within the last year updated for a long time so we did a lot of work yeah to get that up do
you recall was um when you had that meeting did you send um notice to everyone or was it just um like a electronic we didn't mail it no because
that uh to address Jody's um issue um or question um I know sometimes in Planning and Zoning when we have like a variance or something you send out targeted to adjoining property owners
yeah right and and that makes sense but that that could be uh cuz I mean you've heard everything good right now right um the folks right along the lake right there not might not think it's are the
people you want to hear those will be the same ones that they're hearing still from on the on the disc golf so we have to send out a notice to the people on the perimeter of our property so for sure and it's North Lake View Drive um how to figure that out I don't know
that's just from learning from what Diane said from our last projects um that's where I'd anticipate you're going to get um if you get pushed back that that that's where I'd expect we maybe set a workshop just let us do some I don't think it
needs to be a I mean people are always welcome it's always public well we some of the projects we we notify a specific area but we also publish that as a public notice it's always and
anybody can and can come that being said not everybody the paper y yada y you try to do your damnest to get to the most folks as you can um but they
have some responsibility too right to to be informed and to seek some information I think I think a maybe a newspaper article about the fact that you're working on a on a master plan for
the for the parts that includes pickle ball and whatever it includes I think that would go a long ways to help you people on their input how do we get a newspaper person
here do we need to do that informal Master drawing before we say I feel like we need to come to consensus before we we need to have that first and then we could do a public meeting and we can do that newspaper article at that time yeah
I think those are good for the good steps and I know the city did a survey a while back is there anything that we can glean from that related to pickle ball or do we know recreational I wouldn't put a whole lot
of weight in surveys okay um my experience with surveys is um until something pops up that's when the people that you'll want to deal with that's when they're going to pay attention for sure um it not to say they don't count
they they they help you look in a Direction but as you get closer to you know be a road project a park whatever when it comes to P digging up the road cutting down trees that's when you find um and you always get pushed back
there's two sides to everything everything always never we're going to please everyone yep um so very well so shall we pick a date now can we do we want to do it on a separate date from our meeting prior to a meeting how would
you guys like to think about that or after the meeting it might get late I don't know I'm good with whatever okay I'll make it a priority yeah like how long do you think couple hours is what you're thinking yeah probably get a
little late go back and forth so I don't know if people can come earlier um or if we just do a separate day I think you should do a separate day that doesn't give you you don't have time constraints then when you do that
set yourself up for an hour and a half and go from there just deal with that and only that yeah that's a good would you like it's a good idea I an idea I'm good with a different day before our next
meeting yeah so that one thing I'd recommend um North Lake VI is kind of seasonal mhm a lot of Lake it's very seasonal um so we would want residen is our plan the Open
Session into may but that doesn't mean we can't meet before then yes definely going yeah so you you'd get more response during the Open Water season I for this first one our Workshop it's not I mean not that people can't give input
but it's for us to get our get things together it would be like like you know we can't be nailed down on anything until we have some idea of what kind of direction we want to go be able to answer the questions you like Thursdays Tuesdays and Thursdays work best for me in evenings but I don't know deian I
know the spring is always no um first second and third Thursday I well this is the second but I can't do the first or third so the fourth oh so March that would be March 27th I'm gone
that week spring break yeah out of state yeah Tuesdays we could go April Fool's Day that first week in April works for me same for me are we looking at Tuesday then Tuesdays
yep I could do well like 5 o' works for everyone first yep yeah I need a double check here the room and on whatnot
want what day is she picking sure that'd be great what day are we looking at it's a Tuesday April 1st at 5:00 April 1 April Fool's Day okay yep unless you got plans to be pranking people all day she'll be she'll be on
babysitting here that's a good start mhm all right um with that I'll hold it so everyone should kind of think of ideas maybe review the master plan and then maybe look at plusy and minusing what you know we may have changed our mind on some things since then want to add
something yeah we'll have to have a map shape of the area we're talking about that works for me works for me too would that be better April first I will have to check my Wednesday it's not second I would be okay too okay so
yeah I think either she's GNA send something so can you put both the options and yeah both then we can pick I think we should go out there and walk through there yes then we can come back and talk I need to well it would be nice if we
had the map um how about the just the big one that we have had yeah I still don't have a great perspective like if we could put a couple more landmarks on there um and then maybe walk through with the
map I'd like that if they have the time I mean yeah he had printed a big map for us previously you know we did that kind of oh well it was bigger than this but yeah
when we were highlighting the yeah yeah where we had the pickle ball courts with that little piece of paper we had we were looking at the Pavilion placement too Pavilion yep and since the pavilion's still kind of floating around and might have to maybe give some input
on where CU that probably is changing now if we are going to do pickle ball yeah you know we can't just plop it back there by basketball if that might be where the the foundation's already poured yeah it's what poured Foundation is that was already decided last fall oh
okay so we do have that work around it it's in hard concrete um I thought was for that area you were talking about um I'll investigate if I can find the the four outermost property
Corners um can't guarantee the pins are there but for visual reference that'd be pretty helpful so should should we start with walking I think you know so we have an actual really good idea yeah strongly
encourage it let's do that first and if you can get out there on your own and walk around more too you know spend the time and then come with questions that would be good I will let the committee know if we can if we get it located or when we do okay I mean we should be able
to find them but as the the community garden indicated I mean we found the property pin that a dozer picked up and slid down and it cost $2,000 to find it officially so wow um but we're pretty
good at finding them I suspect they'll be there that will be close enough to give you a pretty good idea thank you cuz the whole site will basically that I propose that we're talking about is in that one lump of uh just north of our
storage building um it's that one clump of lots so if we get those four corners that would fit what you're talking sou of where we have the Pavilion no it's Northeast so Deb would it be possible to pull from our master plan the page just
for the city park and just have that included for that meeting yeah yes from our master plan for the workshop yep so then we just have that to review and have that with you know available anything else
okay that sounds like a great plan Kim had something and committee reports yeah I did talk to some people like at sourcewell and other like gr people that I know that write grants and they did say you could also include grant writer is an administrative
expense in your Grant if you don't get the third party Grant from sourcewell so the caveat to that of course is they w't get paid unless you get the grant so you know I think that's kind of the dance right now is like how much does she do before we officially get funding or is
that something we just agree to fund ahead of time and anticipate getting the Grant I do think that we still have options too cuz would I would like I mean I think it's behoove of us to compare yep um to what yep W Seth has
what she I mean there's no I I love her passion and her connection here but we also have to be use our tax dollars the wisest yep I believe this would cost pquad approximately $4 to
$20,000 from who W and don't quote me on it it was just a phone discussion but uh Gail cuz uh writer her name is Gail levenson and um she didn't pull up a specific quote
but you know that's what this packet of information cost Pequot I believe well I got her name from 50 lakes and I had shared they had agreed to share that information with us on what the cost of their courts was so I shared all that with awesome with Joe
and then they told me about the grant writer and that for their project and they did a water um Park they did a um splash pad and sidewalks and whatnot too and now they're doing two more pickle ball CTS because they only did two and
so they're short on them so 50 Lakes itself even has pickle ball courts and it it had to go back for more but that cost them six or 7 thou between six and seven to write that Grant and they got that covered MH I'm just so you know
that's they had mentioned ensa and brainer and made me think of crmc here being um I don't know if anybody has any connections there or who to reach out to but I think that could be a possible was
thinking the same thing yeah love we've got the crossby clinic crmc yeah and you know the thing is is if we can get these people because that's the key to these guys is getting those people who are willing to create a 501
3C to fundraise because we don't have any mechanism for it otherwise and that that was really frustrating for us with the garden um you know trying to come up with things like for that and I think we just don't have the Lions we don't have
right businesses you know um that are a a street of businesses that we can go to or things like that so we have to find groups that are interested and that's why I'm start you know with Ken and Eric if we can talk to dick and Shar
Burns and see if they are how far they would be willing to go with this cuz we need the enthusiasts and the people playing like you say the area yeah they're enthusiastic and he said they raised all this money but they
he didn't say they did anything other than ask people for money he didn't say we had a a spaghetti dinner or we had a whatever they just must ask people and they had a few big but they did raise money through different things so we'll
have to he never answered that he didn't say we had a go back to them and ask we had a anything you know I can go and you know it is an option for places like where I work although we tend to not fund like project um but people can like
go to like um oh what's someone in brainer to anyway they host funds and project funds is one of them and then like for the initiative F which Foundation we host the funds so they don't have to have a 501c3 they just need an advisory team that
fundraises um so creating a project fund those guys obviously would be you know have to do that not us but that would keep all of that like applying for the 501c3 and all of that stuff kind of out of that picture but yeah would you be
willing to take on that part and then contact them I can get their info yes can if they be willing to be advisers you know on a project fund then they can just start raising money yeah I don't need we'll pursue that part then
and Kim can take the lead on that that's what I yep all right excellent excellent great meeting you guys excellent anybody else have anything all right um motion to adjourn all in favor I'll make the motion to
adjourn I can second on that all right all in favor say and opposed y great thank you guys thanks everyone