##VIDEO ID:Aq50XLqPxfU## e [Music] [Music] [Music] e [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] e e [Music] Board of County Commissioners acts as a quasi judicial body when ad hears requests for rezoning and conditional use permits applicants must provide competent substantial evidence establishing facts or expert witness opinion testimony showing that the request meets the zoning code and comprehensive plan criteria opponents must also testify as to facts or provide expert testimony whether they like or dislike a request is not competent evidence the board must then decide whether the evidence demonstrates consistency and compatibility with the comprehensive plan and the existing rules in the zoning ordinance property adjacent to the property to be rezoned and the actual development of the surrounding area the board cannot consider speculation non-expert opinion testimony or pull the Audience by asking those in favor or opposed to stand up or raise their hands if a commissioner has had Communications regarding a resoning or condition use permit request before the board the commissioner must disclose the subject of the communication and the identity of the person group or entity with whom the communication took place before the board takes action on the request likewise if a commissioner has made a site visit inspection or investigation the commissioner must disclose that fact before the board takes action on the request each applicant is allowed a total of 15 minutes to present their request unless time is extended by majority vote of the board the applicant May Reserve any portion of the 15 minutes for rebuttal other speakers are allowed 5 minutes to speak speakers may not pass their time to someone else in order to give that person more time to speak to the board of County Commissioners December 12th Planning and Zoning meeting uh we have a quorum we'll call this meeting to order we have uh Seth fien from teens Mission International and give us invocation you recognize sir thank you Mr chairman thank you Commissioners let's pray Father in heaven we thank you so much that we have this opportunity to be able to be part of this evening's presentation and the deliberations that will take place I thank you for each of the leaders that are here and I ask you that you would give them wisdom from on high as they make decisions uh that affect each one of us here and those that are living in our communities Lord we ask that your presence would be here and that you would guide each one of us through your holy spirit it's my prayer Lord that each one here would come to know that saving power through your son Jesus Christ and we ask this in Jesus name amen thank you very and so we'll hold their time too as they um sort of come and go uh public uh by uh the speaker cards we'll have five minutes and um so we will get started uh Jeffrey with uh item H1 thank you Mr chair item H1 and H2 are companion applications um um the applicant was not in present or did not uh attend the Planning and Zoning meeting therefore it it has to be continued uh this would be these two items will be read vertis and for a future date okay I think we have um three cards Morris um before we take up a motion um how how do you advise that the board handle that in this case because the applicant failed to appear at the Planning and Zoning Board public hearing and a continuance has been uh requested we generally recommend that the board take up the issue of whether to continue it before opening the public hearing and calling any speakers um unless you have a card for the applicant who may want to explain the reason for the continuance if the board has any questions about that well we do have um the applicant here um should we just do that real quick uh Robert Trey is it Robinson okay but only for The Limited purpose of the continu just explain why we're why we're continuing this okay hello ladies and gentlemen of the board um We are continuing this because we missed our last previous meeting due to a death in the family so that's why we're asking to be um continued that is all okay okay uh is there a motion to to continue moov okay a motion by commissioner Goodson is there a second a second okay second by commissioner Delaney clerk will call the role commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainon yes commissioner Alman yes chair filner yes so we'll show that the items H1 and H2 uh tabled now now Morris uh do we need to do anything with the uh any of the other I think we we only have one outside the applicant I would just adise sorry and forgive me but Jeffrey did you state the date and time for the meeting to I'm sorry about that too I did not we're going to have to read vertise for it because the pnz uh we were not sure when the applicant was going to be ready so we will re advertise both so this isn't continued to a Time certain it's going to be read advertised so just any one who submitted speaker cards who was interested in this item sorry you came out tonight but it's unavoidably been continued it will be advertised and notice will go out again notice will be posted again before it comes uh back to hearing before the board of County Commissioners and the Planning and Zoning Board can I commissioner to anybody who's out in the audience if you want to get with me or my staff Kristen if you wouldn't mind raising your hand um can you bring us your email address and I'll make sure to reach out to you um to let you know when this is brought back out thank you um okay let's we're going to go to H4 Jeffrey you read H4 um item H4 the applicant has requested a continues to the February uh 6 2025 County Commissioner meeting to explore other options for this property okay do we want to hear from the applicant on on why that's happening we have we have because I think we have many cards so recognized good evening chairman members of County Commission Kim renka on behalf of Chris espot I'm with Lacy lons renka 1290 US1 rockage Florida uh because of the switch over with Commissioners I was just able to meet with many of you this week and um in staff meeting yesterday with commissioner felner and and uh Attorney Morris Richardson and staff they brought up some issues that we had not explored yet and so we think there might be an opportunity that we don't have to go forward with this conference plan Amendment and we're asking for time to explore those options this is our first request for a continuance and we'd ask it' be continued to February 6th commissioner ainson I'm happy for the continuance okay is that sir um thank you Mr chairman I uh I just wanted to mention a few things you know this is when I was here before I never worked under the expart communication uh Rule and I've pretty much decided to live by that by the spirit I know um you have a requirement to disclose I've chosen to to handle that issue the way it used to be handled where I I will not have any expart ey communication so I will uh I I listen religiously through the entire Planning and Zoning Board sometimes two and three times over um I'll take any input on these zonings and writing and um on this issue I I want to just since I'm not doing any expart communication just to kind of let the public know and the applicant know where I'm coming from and and the commissioner um I am very committed to keeping densities low on the South Beaches I was the here when we did the South Beaches uh small area plan I was involved with the the uh state of area area of State concern but I I do feel like this applicant has a legitimate concern it's 7 Acres it's nearly an acre of land and they have a lot that's just unbuildable and and we're not going to buy their land it it seems to me unfair that to deprive their use of that land and on top of that there's very I mean most of the properties down there is own are the use is even higher than um um point one unit per 7 so I thought in a sense of fairness we ought at least hear out the applicant and try to give them the best and listen to the community as a whole but that's sort of where I'm I'm leaning um you know and we talk about the comp plan there is a there is a property rights element to our comp plan and I do think that U depriving this person of the use of their land violates that component of the of the comp plan but I wanted the public to know where I was coming from as well as the applicant and uh will be watching closely and I'll watch the entire zone mean if it comes back and and I'm welcome to written input okay sir we appreciate you clarifying that uh commissioner ainson do you do you want to make a motion to table list is it February 6th yes okay to the February 6th meeting yeah I'd like to make a motion to table this until February 6th is there a second I'll second there's a second by commissioner Goodson clerk will read the role commissioner yes Vice chair yes commissioner Aon yes commissioner Alman yes chair yes Commissioners will show that approved 5 Z for the public um I'm I'm sorry about this some of these things are unavoidable and so that will be on the February 6th uh meeting and we'll consider all of your testimony um then appreciate it okay thank you to everyone from D3 who came all the way up here I Mr chantis sir I'm I'm very sympathetic to that the The Dilemma that we have here tonight is you you get you get one time to to speak on on this issue and so it would be better if you speak on the issue when we're actually considering it i' like speak on the issue of the if I can because you you're a veteran here and Richard Morrison and Morris Richardson is a veteran here and the attorney could have brought this to you months ago this is the fourth time the attorney is trying to bring this if she's just trying to figure out what the legal ramifications are now what's she been doing okay let's let's let's pause here for a second Morris and care to weigh in on on this the board is continued the item the board's not opening the public hearing so they're they're not going to there's not going to be public input at this time it'll be Tak at the February meeting it's unfortunate thanks to everyone for coming out unfortunately that happens sometimes but your your input will be taken and if for some reason you're not able to make the February meeting please feel free to submit your comments and writing or contact your commissioner thank you again apologize for that okay can I ask a question commissioner delini are they able to speak during public comment the item g go ahead Morris because this is a quasi judicial item and the record is very important all of the comments that are going to be received have to be made during the item during the open public hearing which isn't going to take place today um public comment is for items that are not on the agenda this is an agendized item so um the appropriate time for them to discuss the item is going to be when they come back in February I would just like to um put out there for the record that I um am a very staunch supporter of the First Amendment and I think that people you know drove all the way out here they deserve to have their voices heard and um I just want to put that out there thank you commissioner I think we all share that view and again I apologize to everyone that came here tonight this isn't the preferred way but it's the proper way we want it we want to get it right and we want to make sure that the that the public is heard um I sir I believe the applicant explain that Kim would you just clarify in a couple of minutes why that's necessary and then we this hearing thank you because we have new County Commissioners I was not able to meet with any of them until this week at the meeting with chairman feltner um Attorney Morris Richardson was there staff was there and they brought up a couple of other options so we did not have to change the comprehensive plan Amendment we need time to explore that these just came up yesterday staff has not really been able to come up with any other ideas that's why we went through with the comp plan um Amendment application so this is not my fourth time here uh and this is my first time actually trying to do something with this property in front of the commission let me let me let me clarify one one last thing because I Morris correct me if I'm wrong but uh it it is has been the case in the past that that we allow one continuing so uh we're going to settle this uh at at the February 6th meeting that's that's the motion of the board is that right that's correct generally as a matter almost as a matter of right you granted one continuance to anyone requesting it beyond that it it depends on the circumstances and facts related to the request sir sir I'm I'm sorry we're going we're going go on to the next item I'm I'm I'm very sorry uh that that was the situation tonight uh we'll go on to H5 Jeffrey we're we're going to come back we're going to come back H5 Mr CH do you want do you want to uh move item H3 to the um the last item welcome new Commissioners thank you very much thank you because we kind of skipped over that yes we're going to come back we're going to come back to that we're going to move that to the end okay yeah so item H5 is mahasu Associates Lo request a change the zoning classification from Au to ru- 1-9 application number is 24z 00009 tax account number is 24949 Loca District 2 okay we have the applicant here Sam Sali did I say that right sir you recognized good afternoon Mr chair Commissioners my name is Sam sabali I'm with Florida Engineering Group my address is 5127 South Orange Avenue Orlando Florida I'm here on behalf of the owner and um we concur with the staff recommendations and I will be glad to address any comments which you may have uh it is you know just brief uh summary what we are doing there is a small strip of land which serves to provide access for the property behind it and what we are doing is changing the Zoning for that strip of land to be consistent with the property behind it uh the requested zoning is consistent with a comprehensive plan and uh meets all the requirements we did have to go through a variance request because the strip of land is only 50 foot wide and for the zoning you need to have a minimum of 60 foot width and that was granted by the board of zoning adjustment and we are working with the surrounding owners who uh were not opposed to the request with that I'll be glad to address any questions you have okay commissioner's question 40 applicant any questions for the applicant we don't have have discussion uh a after we're yes so so no questions for the applicant okay uh we don't have any cards so we'll move in discussion commissioner Delany thank you um this one's a really tough one for me because um I the the matter at hand I'm not too too worried about but as far as what we're looking at down the pike with uh approving of this um pretty much the whole property is wetlands and um that this is connecting to and uh you know I'm I'm really concerned about adding density to North merid Island and um the the flooding issues that we're already dealing with is uh uh you know pretty difficult so I'm I'm very aware of that and uh concerned about it okay address okay sir like to May address the concerns um the property does look like it is all Wetlands but it is not we have had an enviral view of the site and we have a layout which does not uh we don't have any intention to impact any of the wetlands and we don't have any intention to impact any flood storage if we do we will have to mitigate for it consistent with your requirements and the Water Management District requirements but we did have an environmental review of the site and when we come in with the preliminary subdivision plans we'll make sure you know you'll have an opportunity to address any concerns with that but at this point we do have a conceptual plan which does not impact any wetlands we do have one area which we're going to put a park around it and the other Wetland area we're going to put a retention Pond around it kind of just work around it so but that that is the plan all right any any other questions or comment commissioner Goodson no I just make I would like to make a motion for approval all right we have a motion by commissioner Goodson is there a second second we have a second by commissioner ainson clerk will call the role commissioner Del yes Vice chair dson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes shner yes okay very good we'll show that one is approved uh Jeffrey let's go to H6 thank you Mr chair item H6 is Ross and Don Buck request a getal use permit for a private boat private residential boat doc application numberers 24z 000044 tax account number numbers are 2953 085 295 3257 located in District 3 is the app sir you're the applicant yeah good evening um I am representing Ross Buck we I'm Steve with East Coast docks I live at 5235 Philips you're Steve phips did I say that right okay I just I had a card for you so make sure you got it thank you sir go ahead so anyhow um so we've been hired by the folks that own a property to build a dock so these properties are unique as they're small they're non-buildable it gives people that not on the water to have water access now these properties are deeded to somebody or you have to have a property that's deed in the same subdivision to to to use it so you know uh this is kind of a formality you know to go through to get the thing approved so with that being said we'd like this approval to have a conditional use for a dock okay are there questions for the applicant any questions we don't have any other cards commissioner is there any discussion or question for staff no is there commissioner ainson I just wanted to point out for people who don't know this community has um access to their docks not actually attached to their property so this formality as I understand it correct me if I'm wrong just Associates that small parcel of land for the dock to the owners the new owner's correct property okay you have to live in the same subdivision to be able to own and build a dock right okay thank thank you for that uh commissioner ainson it's your District I'd like to um make a motion to approve all right we have a motion by commissioner ainson second we have a second by commissioner delini clerk will call the rooll commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes sherff elner yes congratulations sir 5 Z all right thank you okay all right Jeffrey let's go to uh H7 item H7 is 3101 ganet Plaza Avenue LLC requ is requesting a condition use permit for alcoholic beverages for un premised consumption application numbers 24z 0045 tax account numbers are 2602 423 and 260 2422 located District 4 you're Kevin Saltzman I am chair and board you're recognized thank you uh we are um looking to increase our um two cop beverage license to a four cop on this premises okay um are there questions for the applicant sir can you tell me sir what's what's the location where's this going to be at 3101 again ad Avenue uh the new address is actually 1 a a r way it's the old Florida Today building gotcha okay commissioner ainson I have just uh a question for staff I know that there was some issue with um utility and easements can someone talk to that for me thanks sorry about that Eddie sorry Hi um so in good faith as we've asked and theyve fulfilled they've uh we have communication ongoing we've shared information so um no guarantees but I'm I'm optimistic it's going in a positive direction okay any other questions or comments sir approving this tonight you'll continue to talk with the staff um I think there's four things that we wanted to talk to you about we're we're not asking you to commit to that tonight just a a conversation with the staff on lift station utility easement um correct okay and you'll you'll continue that conversation with the utility staff correct the okay and and I've bridge that conversation back with the owner of the property okay okay all right this is in my district I'm fine with it if somebody like to make a motion make a motion to approve we have a motion by commissioner Delany second we have a second by commissioner Alman clerk will call the role commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair gson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair feltner yes sir we wish you success okay thank you all right all right h8 Jeffrey thank you Mr chair item h8 is William M brazzleton II request to change the zoning classification from ru 1-7 to Ru 1-11 application number is 24z 0050 tax count number is 28475 located in District 5 sir are you are you John uh I'm William brazzleton okay uh I'm the applicant okay okay I didn't I don't think I had a card for you sir Sor that you recognized thank you uh we went in for a building permit and uh during that process development came back with a comment that our current zoning was inconsistent with our future land use for this property and so we're just requesting a resoning to Ru 1111 requiring a larger lot size larger setbacks larger home so that we are consistent with our underlying future land use in that area of West melbour okay there questions for the applicant sir no are there any questions for staff no okay any discussion on the item no all right commissioner Altman this is your District I'd like to move approval okay this item okay we have a motion by uh commissioner Alman second we have a second by commissioner Delany clerk will call the rooll commissioner Delany yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair feltner yes so we'll show that item approved thank you for your time yes sir thank you all right we'll go to H9 item H9 uh George and Olga Carolina to Bush request a change zoning classification from gu to EU application number is 24z 0054 tax account number is 260 5989 Loca in District 2 is the applicant here Jason Clayton thank you sir you're recognized I've been asked to attend by our civil engineer as he's out of town tonight uh essentially just echoing staff comments from the Planning and Zoning uh meeting we're basically lowering density and going from three rental properties on one piece of property to one single family residence is what we're requesting are there questions for the applicant any any comments questions for staff no okay commissioner Goodson this is your District sir I make a motion for approval sir all right we have a motion by commissioner Goodson is there a second second we have a second by commissioner Alman clerk will call the role commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair feltner yes thank you sir congratulations thank you okay item h10 thank you Mr chair item h10 is Keon Watkins request a change of zoning classification from ru 1-7 to Ru 1-11 application number is 24 z48 tax account number is 210701 located District 1 are you Mr Watkins yes sir okay sorry we didn't have a card for you you're recognized sir good afternoon [Music] G uh I'm trying to uh change my property from R17 to r111 uh for a land use matters or whatever so um I was trying to see if I can get a chance okay are there questions for the applicant commissioner Delan oh okay uh okay I guess if there aren't questions we'll move in the comments I hope you build something beautiful oh I will okay uh any other comments is there a motion to approve move to approve we have a motion by commissioner Delany is there a second second okay and we have a second by commissioner Alman clerk will call the rooll commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair felner yes congratulations sir yes sir uh excuse me I have one more on the doc number 11 oh okay uh well let's let him read it go ahead Jeffrey I'm sorry it h is kbk management and remodeling Services LLC requests a change the zoning classification from ru 1-7 to ru1 d11 application number is 24 z49 tax account number is 210 3672 okay and district one okay sir are you recognized yes sir any anything else you want to say on this item the same thing okay are there questions for the applicant there any comments or questions of Staff no uh commissioner Delaney move to approve okay so we have a motion by commissioner Delaney second we have a second by commissioner ainson clerk will call the rooll commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair felner yes we'll show that one approved congratulations sir thank you sir good job okay let's go to h12 thank you Mr chair item h12 is the VRA company requests a CP for commercial entertainment and amusement Enterprises application number is 24z 0047 tax account number is 2631 1510 a portion of located in District 4 okay are you good afternoon Commissioners um say your name for the record because I I have a few cards here so sure my name is Jose pasmina I'm here with Aram Murray okay 500 westm rad stre Chicago Illinois I'm here on behalf of top golf uh as the applicant for agenda items 11 and 12 we um had a short presentation prepared but admittedly I don't see it here on the screen was yeah I'm yeah it's 12 and 13 sorry yeah both agenda items uh this is for a u stateoftheart golf entertainment center uh we're proposing um west of I95 and east of uh The Avenues Vieira um a conditional use is required uh because of the um Amusement use and a few variances are also required du to the unique use you have a driving range uh with u golf balls that will require bar containment uh we're asking for a variance for signage due to the weird unique shape of the building and light lastly we're asking for a variance for range lighting due to Unique fixtures that are needed uh for the technology um we can go into more detail or less we had a presentation prepared but let's see what the pleasure of the board is here I'm not sure that you need to uh I only have cards for the applicants um and Commissioners this is in my district and I'm fine with it so are there any questions for the applicant are there any other comments commissioner delini I'm pretty excited for Top Golf I'm note okay we're excited as well is that uh an indicator of a motion I'll move to approve this item okay uh second okay we have a we have a we have a motion by commissioner galini we have a second by commissioner this is the commissioner Goodson's district is it no it isn't no it's uh you're I'm very proud I'm very proud to say that this is in District 4 so uh with that clerk will call the role on Comm Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair feltner yes now we'll go to we'll go to 13 right Jeffrey I can I can read item h13 into the record which is a companion application for the ads so item h13 is the VR company request an ads for the central VR PUD partiel 3A application number is 24 PUD 00005 tax account number is 2631 1510 a portion of Loca distri four okay are there any questions on this one no okay is there is there a motion move to approve we have a motion by commissioner Delany okay we have a commissioner by we have a motion by commissioner ainson uh clerk will call the rooll commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson yes commissioner Alman yes chair feltner yes congratulations we are all looking forward to uh coming out there I can't hit any golf balls but I will I'll enjoy laughing at people uh Missing golf balls and we wish you success thank you very much thanks for thanks for being here tonight okay Commissioners we're going to go back to um H3 thank you Mr chair item H3 is Shah Inc requests a change Zone in classification from bu-1 to R A 2-4 application number is 24 z51 located in District 2 you recognized good evening chairman felner member of County Commission I am Kim renka Lacy L renka 129 0 US1 rockage Florida I'm here on behalf of shawa Inc I'm requesting a resoning from bu1 to R 2-4 um with me is Dan Dvorak the representative and he will also speak during my 15 minutes of time uh as you're aware the ra24 would allow for would allow Town Homes because this is a uh Community commercial next to a residential to Future land use density is already four units to the acre so what we're just asking is to Define how those four units of an acre will be done how it'll be developed um if there's concerns about setbacks then that can be addressed in a bdp if that's something that the uh commission would like to do we have not proposed it they're twostory Town Homes we have a sample concept plan that shows a good distance if you want more specifics in The Binding development plan we are happy to consider that and Mr dor can make those decisions Visions uh this is a commercial area but it's all residential staff report says everything that's around it is pretty much residential if you know the area there's very little commercial up there there's nothing to support the commercial up there I did a rezoning here not too long ago to the south of the commercial center that had a ice cream shop a Billiards Hall and a fitness center those all went out of business it's now a park and ride for cruise ships uh the 3,000 commercial building which has small units in a diner there's many vacant units in there too um Mr Dvorak will explain why he bought this in 2005 and what he hoped to do with it and just hasn't been able to work so he would like to do nine town homes on this project um the packet I gave you is a little bit different than the one that was uh presented at pnz uh part of that's because I learned new information talking to staff recently uh first on page one that is the property you'll see to the East is egret's landing to the South is the uh manufactured home Island Lakes you'll see up to the north west of Courtney is the uh town homes that recently have been purchased they are single family platted my understanding is they are indeed being used for rental but they are brand new and they are single family and I did not look up the rents but I presume they're not cheap they're certainly not affordable housing by any stretch um the residents are concerned about having rental property but any of these residents could also rent their houses it's not prohibited by law page two is the concept plan it hasn't been engineered it hasn't been reviewed by staff it's just an idea of what he could do when he came to me I said go talk to an engineer to see what you could do to make sure it even makes sense to try for this resoning and that's what he did and so Jim troger has indeed drafted something um that my client likes and would like to build page three is Island as you know from the zoning map it's a tr3 but it also says it's residential 2 uh it is actually Four units the acre there's over 300 units in this 71 acre parcel page four is the zoning code for eu2 which is egret's landing I just provide that to you because they are 9,000 foot lots and their structures are allowed to be 35 ft just as this bu1 property would be allowed to be I'm not saying would be it's going to be two-story Town Homes but the uh bu1 does allow 35 ft height as well page seven I believe is also referenced in excuse me page six that is a little strip owned by the HOA that you'll hear some people will call it a spite strip it's an HOA property it's allowed to be done that way they wanted to buffer from many other uses I presume actually I know I I own that property and they didn't want anyone accessing their road so that's why that strip uh that that strip of land is there page seven um is the future land use policy 2-10 which again I said I stated is in the staff report this States residential development is permissible in commercial land uses as a density up to one category higher than the closest residentially designated area on the floam at the same side of the street that's res two that makes this res four four units Seager again we're just trying to Define what's in and how it's going to be developed at 4 unit acre because commercial is not something he uh Mr dor is interested in doing page eight uh this is an often forgotten rarely used if ever Mr ball can't remember it ever being used since he's been here it is uh section 62- 2106 mixed use commercial and residential use this allows um a commercial allows residential uses in commercial at a higher density uh and so in theory not quite certain this could be done if there's a commercial 300t building on this property again then you'd have commercial uses next to residential Which is less practical less uh friendly less transitional than single family homes next to single family homes um and because it does say the total residential flare area of each residents shall adhere to the minimum Flor area requirements of the ru 2-10 so 62- 1372 is the ru 2-10 just to give you an idea of how these codes all play together so again this is um this is a request for four units the acre for our well it is four unit of the acre r24 uh otherwise with the bu1 there could be a Litany of things that aren't as as compatible with uh single family homes um there could be a bed and breakfast there could be a coin laundry mat there could be a funeral home there could be a hospital uh but it does indeed allow single family residences it allows tobacco stores dry cleaning plants tourist efficiencies and motel a motel could go here that's certainly something the residents wouldn't want a treatment and recovery facility um may or may not like that but it's something that could go there I also the setbacks for bu1 the rear setback shall be 15 ft from the rear lot line if you're not comfortable with that the uh Ru 2-4 that setback I just had it there's a perimeter setback so that's going to be 25 ft from the property line and then there's going to be uh interior setbacks and space in between the building setbacks not to be less than 20 ft so there is going to be much more of a distance of separation from a setback to the rear with ra24 than there would be with motels or residents in a bu1 as stated in the staff report uh single family attached dwelling residences can be used as a transition a transitional buffer from higher intensity impacts to the lower intensity of the 9,000 ft units uh the predominant future Lane use is commercial in this area this request is consistent and compatible with the existing and emerging development in the surrounding area as stated in the staff report staff report supports this resoning based upon all the analysis of the comprehensive plan in the zoning code uh this will generate less traffic Mr um Dvorak did indeed have a commercial site plan developed with six 17,000 square ft it required 88 parking spaces and that's not feasible it's not usable up there and that would be much more intense uh than nine single family homes with that I'd ask Mr Dvorak to speak I'm happy to take questions but don't want to eat into my 15 minutes with the questions so Mr Dvorak will speak and then we can take questions good evening I'm Dan dor I'm the owner of the property on North Courtney and the applicant for resoning in 2005 you have to pardon me I I wrote this down so I would not get too nervous and get off track in 2005 as a young father of three and an engineer at KSC I was driving home from work one day and thought of stopping somewhere to buy a bottle of wine for dinner the only problem was that there was very few retail stores north of the Barge Canal and none were in the wine business it seemed like a great opportunity to create a retail Plaza and attract businesses so my wife and I bought this lot it had already been mostly cleared of trees and was being used to store commercial trailers and industrial tools if you look at an aerial picture closely you can see a series of light colored rectangles near the center part of the lot those are actually concrete slabs over a foot thick each put there by the previous owner to make a good working surface for his construction business it really was an industrial site the first thing we did was pay to have the industrial trailers and tools hauled away then we started working on design and permitting we ended up taking out a second mortgage on our home to pay for surveying engineering design and permitting and had a completely approved site plan and permits needed for construction but during that permit process we watched the Commerce Plaza get built just south of us and sit mostly empty for a long time the same thing happened with goport Plaza which is now a cruise parking lot it turns out there just isn't enough traffic on sr3 nor the residents north of the Barge Canal to support a healthy retail environment there fortunately we didn't build the commercial Plaza because it would have bankrupted us we've put out a lot of money onto that lot from the purchase price hauling off the junk permitting and for the commercial Plaza and almost $48,000 in property tax over the 20 years and we intend to develop something on it our intent is to build nine homes the thought is that 1,200 people moving to Bard count or Florida every day need places to live and building nine homes provides more of a solution than building fewer there's opposition to our plan and some of it is coming from people that live in brand new homes on what used to be the Orange Grove right behind our lot I think that's ironic some of the opposition believes the choice is resoning or leaving it as it is they are mistaken we will develop something we could pursue a r wide variety of uses including a hotel but I believe that a single family housing is the most compatible with the neighborhood and the best option other opponents believe we should put detached homes on the site and I've studied that option and my calculations show that we'd lose an awful lot of money doing that and I I appreciate your consideration uh for our resoning request with an eye towards our property rights thank you thank you sir are questions for the applicant commissioner Delaney I'm not sure who can answer this for me but um do we know how wide the property is from that um line that Miss frena had mentioned to the other side of the property the on um I'm sorry on page six yeah like proper it's that that little it's about 15 feet the rest of the property like the buildable area what oh his property right oh 1 15 it say I can't see so good 155 ft okay thank you commissioner Goodson question um if it's 155 ft it looks like to me that let's say your driveway is 75 ft from the spike strip headed north are you going to be able to get a have you even thought about getting a DOT permit to access State Road Three because usually driveways right beside each other they do not like we've considered that um I think the engineer that Drew that just feels that we could get that huh okay now you would like to build nine units correct the comp plan is you know one per acre which would be four at least that's my understanding I know she's shaking her head uh the north Maron Homer Association would agree to for but you want nine correct well economics dictates it with the price we paid for the lot and the engineering that it'll take to do it and and everything else that that was in place when you bought it were you not aware of that then we were intending to build commercial Plaza sir when we bought it and then now you switched totally 180 Dees to residential correct right but the the reason for that is because the commercial just yeah you know commercial goes to die north of the Barge Canal and how did the plan the Planning and Zoning staff voted unanimously for this no no yeah they had two votes correct yes but the the final vote was 55 so there was there was no um motion for approval or denial of the application okay thank you thank you chair thank you sir any other questions for the applicant I have one question then we'll go to the cards okay okay and Commissioners we have about 10 cards um when you say homes we're talking about town homes though just to just to clarify yes sir okay and um uh now will you be the owner of those and then you'll rent these to folks or who will hold title to those my intent is to sell most of them to homeowners I believe in home ownership I think it's part of the American dream to own your own home okay so you you may you may sell five and there'll be five separate titles and then you'll hold on to four something it's more like seven and two okay okay I don't have the money to float this for the rest of my life I understand I understand chair uh commissioner Goodson you know we will all understand that selling something doesn't necessarily me mean it will not be a rental correct that's true sir right thank you like any like any home right that's correct but I don't want to be a landlord for the rest of my life I I don't aspire to be one either um could a quick question for the staff before we go to the cards would would with the current with would this zoning change allow for short-term rental of those um yes sir it would all right it would it would okay okay uh sir thank you we'll we'll reserve the rest of uh Kim's time at least and um we will go the carts okay Jack rman [Music] Jack rman North marid Island 568 East Hall Road when I got ready to come to this commissioner meeting I looked in the mirror and I thought man there's a big fat guy in a mirror and I wanted to let the board know that I always didn't look like this I went to university on a cross country and track scholarship ran for four years and at one time had enough athletic ability to run a two mile I mean sorry run a half mile in 1 minute 58.8 seconds so at one time I was thin I didn't look like this but over time age makes a makes a difference the town homes that they're proposing they always reference the ones just north of this you know the 88 units well those 88 town homes that were just north of here they were uh unanimous L um uh voted against by the HOA and the special district board both they did not want them and when we were first told about them they were for sale oh we want homeowners we want people just like this we want we want everybody to have the American dream there's not a single one in there for sale they're all for rent and I've been told only two have been rented so far so the idea of renting them and letting them uh go that way is is not the way and he's talked about property rights it's like anybody's rights you have as much rights as long as they don't infringe on mine you know it goes back to you can't say I have freedom of speech and jump up in a theater and yell fire that's my freedom of speech you can't do that he has his property rights but there's other people already around him Island Lakes for example right there next to him egret's Landing moved in now all those folks in Island Lakes they're looking at the bottom of the house pad of egret's Landing so every time it rains just a little bit they flood and these people they're going to do the same thing he suggested nine units he wants to make a killing on this and if he makes a bad decision on the commercial that's not the community's fault you know maybe my decision on what I did with my property was not the right thing but I'm not going to punish the community he can get four units and and and be compatible with the neighborhood but I don't think he really wants to do that he didn't want to be compatible with the neighborhood and whether he makes good or bad decisions financially it's not up to us to make the bad turn into a good thank you sir Spyros alvinos thank you sir speos speos speos well I had a 50% chance of that good afternoon Commissioners uh my name is spos alvanos I live at 4820 North Courtney Parkway if um I believe you all have these these exhibits um our house is right here right here Lake right there or this pond that's where we live our neighbors here they live next to us we live next to them right here so um I appreciate the time uh to speak and um I don't begrudge anybody for trying to take their property make it better uh the only problem is that U we are already flooded Jack talked about that my wife will come up here and hopefully she'll talk about the flooding she's got some pictures to show you but the reality is um all of that egret's Landing building before that we had no flooding especially not like that we had to pump out and we currently pump out every single time that there's rain and also if there's a hurricane and we don't pump out of that pond that's in front of you then we're going to flood and the flooding comes nearly 15 yards to the pool to our home so all of that water from egrets is coming all all of that water is coming right down here and it floods this whole uh Tre area over here and whatever overflows then goes into the pond and then that goes into our property that's what happens every time um and I I appreciate you know that this is a difficult decision for you but we live here and we're out here and honestly we hope that our presence here makes a difference because um we have to live with whatever your decision is and his plans are and you know whatever happens after he leaves and we don't think it's fair to us who live here I served 24 years in the Air Force this is our forever home we're not leaving anywhere they're going to carry me out of here I'm not going to sell I'm staying here I live here so I would like for you to consider what we're talking about you'll have plenty of people here um that'll that'll talk to you uh about their feelings about this but my feeling is um anything else built there no problem but as long as it doesn't have um raised homes that then uh will allow rainwater to come towards us and um this will aggravate it even more because there's two Retention Ponds I believe put there and you got to wonder those ponds are not that big where's all that water going to go well it's going to come to us except it won't come from this side it'll come literally from this this side we will not be able to walk out of our garage uh door by the time this is over so we don't really know if we can survive the elevation so that's what I wanted to talk to you about and I appreciate your time and your consideration with your decision is going to impact us thank you sir commissioner good I think has a question question you made a comment that you didn't care what they build there as long as it's not nine H Town Homes correct I'm I'm concerned more about whatever is built there not causing flooding okay but wouldn't you agree that if you build town homes or a a strip center they're going to raise the elevation of the land well then that'll cause flooding that'll be a problem for us would you also agree that they have to have a plan that shows where the water's going and it can't adamant just be all funnel to you would you agree to that I would agree to that too I would too and I would like to have some help pumping out this water okay but thank you but of course um I understand your concerns and I hear you but at the same token I wanted to make sure you understood that there's civil site plans that have to be done whether it's a ouse yes or a home thank you sir thank you any sir any other questions I got one more okay yes sir sir would you agree to four units the comp plan is one per acre excuse me Kim would you like to come up and answer that no I wouldn't like for you to okay but you're distracting my good thoughts about you I'm would you agree to four units I'm not sure I haven't seen the plans I don't know anything like well nobody's seen the plans because if you heard them it's all conceptional yes it sounds pretty but usually conceptional plans are not what you get at the end of the ball game I would say no I wouldn't agree to that okay now you know you're North Maron homeowners agreed to that they may have but we live where we live and they don't live where I live I understand okay thank you sir I live with flooding thank you okay I have a question okay commissioner s there might be another question for you this is for staff um it's pertaining to his qu to his comments did egret's Landing have a um civil uh a plan to make sure that water stayed on their property and all that good stuff yes the uh egris Landing was done with a subdivision plan just as all developments would be thank you okay uh Mary sir chair commission but would you that during a a hurricane we all suffer flooding because the ponds fill up and overflow and the thin water finds the lowest point to go to would you agree to that there's yes water gets collected I'm not I'm not sure if there's been water in any particular homes out there I hear you I agree with you thank you sir okay Mary hilberg hi good afternoon and welcome and to the new members of the board um I'm Mary hilberg I live at 3780 Sierra Drive in North merid Island I speak for the North marid Island special Advisory Board which is an elected uh zoning Advisory Board specifically for the north m Island area concerning this um resoning request by schah Incorporated our board was first to hear this item and several residents spoke all were very concerned that an increased residential density on 2.45 or 2.47 whichever it is uh Acres will negatively impact them in terms of storm water flooding traffic con congestion also in their main entrance and reduction of property values administrative policy seven states that proposed uses shall not cause States quote proposed uses shall not cause or substantially aggravate any a substantial drainage problem or surrounding Properties or B significant adverse effects on natural Wetlands water bodies or habitat for listed spe species this proposal proposed development would likely violate policy on both counts this property was rezoned from Au to bu1 in 1990 when the commercial Corridor was established the flu is community commercial in a designated commercial Corridor this bu1 classification does not allow warehousing or wholesaling the North Maryland Advisory Board unanimously recommended denial of this this request suggesting four units total which is two units per acre as most of the surround in area uh reflects and would be an acceptable density increase we did that not asking the residents whether they approved or not we did that because the property owner has a right to develop his property and and um efficiently and competently and so forth so we we respect all the property owners whether we they developers or not so we would try to find a compromise that is adequate and that will cause the least amount of problems Planning and Zoning Board weighed in all aspects and voted five to five which is a tie which it means no keeping the property's family values and safety of our residents is our primary goal we are not about keeping Property Owners from fully utilizing their property but it cannot happen at the detriment of the people who already live here I would also like to ask you if you're aware of the um liar I'm sure you all are of the lar study that was done in 2008 2009 after tropical storm Fay because we used to be all X which is designated X which is non-f flood zone you never get a flood well obviously that was an incorrect designation for North Mt Island so um they did a study the light green is a trough that goes through the middle and they don't want to call it a trough they like to call it a bowl but it's really a trough and this goes all the way down here this property is on the edge of that that's why everybody there is going to flood if it's overdeveloped it will flood it doesn't mean that that nothing can be built but it does mean that the properties that are already there shouldn't be hurt are there any questions sir no yes thank you thank you ma'am uh Mark Burns hello there do I have a PowerPoint ready to pull up no okay never mind uh this is my well prepared notes good afternoon everyone ladies and gentlemen thank you for allowing me to speak today my name is Mark burns my wife Olive and I we live in the property located at 206 norwi Street Street which board is the the proposed rezoning we are the house on that map that is the East okay uh I'm a retired disabled veteran served 28 years in the Air Force with seros spos and I've moved 15 times before finally settling in merid Island I also care for my one-year-old granddaughter Rosie and my 101-year-old Aunt Judy and an issue came up just prior to the meeting which uh took priority party so I'm glad I was able to make it here in time because uh my dear Aunt needed me to buy her some clondike bars and some Devil Dogs well she gets whatever she wants so you almost missed me here but I'm here nonetheless uh so here's what I have to say am I going to start the clock now you ready to start the clock oh you already started the clock okay uh the last two meetings I argued how the rezoning and proposed development would affect me and my neighbor this included flooding traffic Wildlife to name a few I realize that all these issues are important especially the increased water drainage that will affect me and my neighbors to the north however since I only have a few minutes left um I'm going to be a little bit greedy here and I want to focus on my comments on what affects me and my family my primary concern can be spelled out in the following questions first one is what is the exact setback for the proposed storm water treatment Pond will the hole far enough from me uh be far enough for me where it won't propose a danger to my granddaughter uh or me or my family second question will there be a fence constructed along the property line that I continue to have or will it be continue to be a natural barrier with shrubs and trees like there are now uh what about what kind of material would be used if they did construct a fence would it be a chain link fence would it be the white you know fence that I have of the picket black picket fence how many trees will be removed what will be my new view from the East will I still have some semblance of privacy or will I be able to look straight out to Courtney and see the traffic go by finally will the proposed development change the overall look of the community in egret's landing yeah sorry so some of the guidelines that the HOA enforces on me you know are like unbelievable the irony would be getting cited by my HOA for a weed growing through my sidewalk and 20 fet to my right there'll be no enforcable restrictions so my hope is that you will make your decision today Contin ENT in answering some of these questions that I don't think have been brought up a couple of them have with the setbacks but not really you know this Pond troubles me you know when this Pond fills up and then goes away the vegetation dies and it starts to stink okay my wife and I we have a bunch of apple trees back there she's from the Philippines she enjoys her gardening and we've seen the water come in we've seen the water dissipate and we've we've seen all the Shrubbery and everything die and it stinks and it's it's not very enjoyable um so in closing of course I'm very concerned about all the other issues like that Sparrow brought up especially the water runoff and the potential flooding but at the end of the day I just want to be happy safe and reside in a community that my family and I can be proud of any questions for me no thank you sir thank you here I'll try to help you out here Wendy alvinos I didn't say that right vanillas I'm sorry ma'am I belong to speos I I thought it'd be easier with the switch there I just have three photos here okay okay now I have nothing against this man who bought this property I mean you know we all at times in life set out to have Endeavors to better our quality of life that that is and I feel for him in my heart I really do but my problem is not with him as much as it is with the building Commissioners in Bard County obviously somebody he said he's never seen in any of the houses flood you haven't come out there obviously because you know we're paying right at $6,000 a year in taxes you know we we bought a over $500,000 house and we worked hard my husband sacrificed his family for 24 years to serve our country and then you know we finally get to the the Opus our retirement this is where we're going to go and we looked and we searched and we we checked out the stats of where hurricane would hit right there we had no idea just as as normal citizens just go to the building department and find out how high they're going to build these houses on this other street because we are right there in the center of that you know we have the pond and the two houses on the piece of property that his property connects to ours too those are pictures of my yard when it rains hard that's not a hurricane they first come in with egret's Landing this way to my house okay these houses are built up here mine's here yeah got a little bit of flood not much they finished that last ale going across the backside that's what it looked like when it rains if we have a hard rain or all day rain that's what it looks like now my husband's in his 60s I'm close ly approaching them behind him but every time we're going to have a hard rain we have to watch that pond along with our other neighbors there's two houses on 5 acre track there and all of us have to get out there and haul this heavy pump down to the lake hook up firemen hoses to a ditch that runs up their side all the way to the road to that ditch and we have to pump this Pond down in order order to have it not flood our house we had alligators no further from me or you big alligators we had a 13t alligator out there because the water come that far to our door and as Mark said if when it the water goes away oh the stink and I'm allergic to leaf mold so I'm just staying stopped up all the time with all this stuff because it it floods and it takes so long to go down that it's just a rotten stinky mess it really is and you know to think that we have put our entire life savings this is where we live not invest in we this is not an investment property this is where our home is and because of the the planning department building so much higher you know we didn't know they were going to do that so here we are so that's all I wanted to say I'm not against him I'm not against what he's doing I'm against the fact that nobody's paying attention to us that we're already there I think commissioner Goodson's got a question question Madam yes sir when was your home built 95 95 okay and when you you build it right you build it from no we bought bought it okay A lot of times in Florida people don't want to spend money for dirt to raise their house but then as things change and laws change and other developments have to raise up by law it causes problems for everybody so I'm sorry thank you madam thank you ma'am uh Mark Fallen Marie Marie I didn't put my glasses on that fast I'm sorry if permissible I would just like to provide these four photos thank you good evening my name is Marie valand and my husband Robert and I reside at 4830 North Courtney Parkway Meritt Island where we've lived for the past 20 years we live next door to spirro and Wendy who just previously spoke I'm here this evening to voice my opposition to the building of the town home complex which be would be located front the front left side um of our residents and I would like to touch on some key points I think we've talked about the flooding quite a bit but the opening of egret's Landing was the first issue that significantly flooded the res residents nearby um hurricane Irma in 2022 was when we in occurred the worst once that development was fully completed the pictures that I've showed you will show you my backyard on a normal day and it will show you what it looked like post Irma those aren't even the worst of the pictures that I could be bringing as we spoke most Residential Properties in this vicinity sit lower ours are lower than egret's thereby causing a lot of issues with water placement many senior citizens in the area are on a fixed income they cannot afford re-engineering their landscape with Fi dirt or other modifications to try to build up their land to protect from the flooding field dirt is very expensive I happen to know we have had some experience and you're talking $50 to $660,000 if you want to build up a property of two acres the ditches in our area is an is another issue that I would like to talk on so in 2004 when we went through the four hurricanes I recall follow that the county came and cleared many of the ditches they dredged they did a wonderful job all down North Courtney north of hallroad hasn't been done since now the past two years my husband and I observed which I assume was the county doing a beautiful job clearing ditches north and south on Courtney up to Hall Road and down Hall Road they stopped there and no activity has ever been done north of hallroad on Courtney overgrown and clogged ditches prevent water flow retentions ponds are overflowing additional building is just placing more strain the other topic I want to talk about is infrastructure at the last meeting that I attended where this topic was presented they stated that there was a traffic study that was done in 2021 well we're almost at 2025 and I can attest the traffic flow is significantly increased this is not due to just the residents that live in this area area there's new properties the town homes directly across from me they are not even fully occupied yet and there are other developments I believe down chrisop Foley that are not fully occupied so we're not even at full capacity of the Residential Properties additionally it's not just residential traffic there are commuters on Courtney for the space programs it is significantly busier I personally know people that commute from Orlando I retired from Lockheed Martin and I had co-workers who left the company to go work on the SP space programs and they are commuting from Orlando so there's other traffic on that road the other thing is all the u-turns are becoming very dangerous the town home across from us for us to come out we got to go out and then do a U-turn and they're coming straight across from us so the u-turns that we're incurring on the parkway is also becoming dangerous and causing more accidents so in closing I understand and I appreciate that the individual who owns this land desires to utilize it however town home complex is not fit or appropriate for this small lot which is embedded in primarily single family homes I believe a town home dwelling such as this would potentially cause more flooding to our house traffic congestion disruption in privacy noise levels visual obstruction and potential devaluation of our property value therefore I oppose it and thank you for your time thank you ma'am Sandra solivan good evening Sandra Sullivan so just a couple things first and foremost in the county ordinances you cannot put fill on properties and raise it if it floods your neighbors check your ordinances um so I'm I'm at a loss on on erret um okay so the other thing I want to talk about is North mered Island special district formed by referendum by the people they are elected officials when you read that ordinance that replaces pnz uh the board that meets um that's in place of so I have a question that your attorney needs to review that ordinance because this is this should not have gone on from North Meritt Island special district Bo zoning board and then go to pnz board and then come here and then by the way so the North marid Island board was a no vote the pnz board was a tii vote which is a no vote and that should have been stated by by planning and zoning department that was uh just clear up that ambiguity uh I also want to be clear there has been a number of small areas studies and studies done in North merid Island the um the studies talked about the zoning was one unit per one acre the issue was with that zoning it was causing more flooding as the properties were getting developed so when Brian lber was in office he did an additional study in 2018 and that study made the recommendation to change the zoning in North Meritt Island from one unit to 2 and A2 Acres this room was filled more times than any other issue by the people of North mered Island because of the increased flooding in response to that study that was done with the recommendation of rezoning to one unit per two and a half acres Mr christop Foley hired Mr Rena's firm to push back on that and and successfully stopped it so what we have here is you're going to even a further density and the problem with North merid Island is Mr lber did a study a half a million dollar study that this County a a very comprehensive study that found that it is in the 10-year flood plane and that there is huge flooding issues and in response to that you this commission Rec recently well not the new new people but passed a comprehensive plan changes to remove the density cap on the flood plane now I don't know about you guys but we have an insurance crisis in Florida and if we don't protect the flood plane we're never going to be able to get insurance under control there's a bigger issue here not to mention you know people who have existing property have property rights too and that property rights is that their that their home should not flood because of being irresponsible development so we need growth management the bottom line is this North merid Island is a giant bowl that floods and in the fall when the river level is high which just happens to coign with Co coincide with herane time you get very high river and when we have storm events we have no place to pump the water too so you have a problem you have a problem and you need to really take a look at this and I would say it starts with this but it also starts with you know read read your ordinances that you have for the county and at least follow the ordinances which are the law okay when you have an ordinance it says North merid Island special district does the Zoning for North mered Island and then it comes to you to decide you don't send it to pnz and let's just start respecting the ordinances we have and you spent a lot of money to understand this flooding problem in North Meritt Island please make the responsible decision today thank you U commissioner Goodson Morris was there any uh can you elaborate on all of that and tell me sure uh the north Meritt Island uh dependent special district has the power and duty to review and provide the planning and zoning board with an advisory recommendation upon rezoning applications made for property located within the district when such application if approved would increase residential density on the property that is the subject of the application so section 9845 the ordinance specifically provides for North Meritt Island recommendations to go to the Planning and Zoning Board and then come to this County Commission when there's an application that would increase density such as the one before you so we we do have an ordinance you have to read the ordinance now explain to me may I chair explain to me the community commercial account plan in reference to this piece of property so that that may be a better question for Jeff but generally commun Community Comm commercial future land use when you're looking at residential uses the potential density is based on surrounding areas and it's up to one category above the uh nearest is adjacent residential or what what is the standard for determining it's on the same side of the street same side of the street and I think here we have res 2 which is why we've utilized res 4 for their proposed density so with Community commercial under the comp plan designation the maximum they could get his res 4 which is four units to the acre but the density in a community commercial is going to be driven by the zoning that they have So currently they have bu1 which would only allow one single family residential if they did the residential use um the proposed use would allow up to four units per acre the board could determine something in between is more appropriate now chair question south of that at eager's Landing can you tell me units per acre their future land use Is Res 2 but I don't know what the yield would be on on their development I'd have to look at that and see I'd have to look at their their plans and thank you sir okay we'll continue with cars cards excuse me Michaela Murphy we don't mind at all hi everyone good evening um to the you bring the mic down to you for us is that better so I just I don't want to come here as a hypocrite first of all my name is Michaela Murphy I'm a resident of egret's Landing so I certainly don't want to come here as a hypocrite I understand that egret's Landing may cause or have been the cause of some of these issues that these residents are facing um unlike a lot of the other young families that built a house uh in that neighborhood looking for a safe place to raise our kids I'm primarily concerned about the traffic um I I think you mentioned something about do but right now you can only turn north to go to the Space Center um which is where my kids go to dayare we drive them every single day um I'm a little concerned about crashes there have been a lot of crashes on Courtney recently some deadly and it's really really scary sorry for getting choked up but I was right by the 95 crash that just happened a couple days ago um that killed somebody so I'm really freaked out driving every day on Courtney um with my kids going to Kennedy Space Center daycare and I'm worried about the additional um the additional number of folks living here and not just for us but for the people that could potentially live in those um condos or uh Town Homes if there's not a true study done on the traffic and especially how you would enter and exit that property I don't think we could possibly in good conscious move forward it's not safe for the folks that are exiting from our neighborhood um a lot of folks have to turn north and then do a u-turn which is incredibly dangerous there are thousands of folks that use Courtney to get to Kennedy Space Center every single day and frankly they're just trying to get to work and back home every day unfortunately some of them seem to treat it like a racetrack and it's really scary knowing that that's right outside your neighborhood and I really don't think we can in good conscious add more people um driving right there and if the driveway is right next to ours I'm worried about um visibility cars pulling out right in front of you um again the u-turns and they would have to look at how to re redo the um the intersection or create a stoplight or something but from what I can see that hasn't been part of the plan or that hasn't been studied I don't know what the requirements are there but I really think that's something that has to be looked at um additionally hearing that you guys have said that there's potential with this new zoning that it could be um that this could be utilize as short-term rentals a lot of North mared Island has been turned into long-term parking not long term short-term parking for the cruise lines I would be very concerned that if this is allowed to be short-term rentals um folks would use that who are Rowdy and people we don't want right next to a single family or single home Community um utilizing that right next to the long-term Cruise parking it would make sense if they did that um so that's another concern uh additionally and again I don't want to sound like a hypocrite but truly the flooding is a problem um even for for the folks in egret's landing so that's another huge concern I've got two kids I'm scared that during a hurricane or even during a bad rainstorm that we could have significant flooding and that's that's really scary um that's all I have thank you thank you very much Nancy manura and then it'll be Chris after you so he was looking disappointed there for a second um I'm Nancy manura I live at 5385 love it drive in North Meritt Island so I'm speaking as a resident and I wanted to welcome you all to being new Commissioners and I haven't been here in a while so thank you for your service and I think most of the stuff that people have said I mean I I agree with just about everything that was said so I won't repeat that um what I just wanted to say is that I believe believe that you all took office to help the residents of this community and I know that you don't all represent District 2 but you do represent our community and I would like to ask that you would think about the good of the people who are living in the community not only in this decision but in all the decisions because past Commissioners did not pay attention to the residents and all the things that people said so much history of flooding and anytime there that we've we've had tours of the flooding areas we've had tours of how the water flows we've had people from Public Works come up and work with us we've years I've been there since 2012 and so I've seen how it's changed and and you're welcome to come I know that all the residents would show you all the flooding that's happened we've we've collected photos we've done all kinds of stuff so again I don't I just want to ask you to please make good decisions and if I'm asking for a policy administrative policy which Mary hilberg already said was administrative policy 7 that the proposed use shall not cause or substantially aggravate any substantial drainage problem and I again I'm sympathetic for Mr Dvorak but please think about the people who live in North maritt Island and their property rights and don't make them leave and then have property that they can't sell because you're not going to sell flooded property to somebody else so thank you very much for your attention and please make a good decision for everybody thank you ma'am uh Mr manura good evening honorable Commissioners my name is Chris manura and I'm I'm here to represent North marid Island homeowners association now we've heard everything already but I just will say oh we're at homeowners association box 54 2372 Merit Merit Island Florida 32954 that's right wrong the north Meritt Island's homeowners position on this resoning is to object the request because under these bravad County Administration policies this resoning would and then I just have some I mean it's all 3A diminishing joint ment of quality of life surrounding ex existing neighborhoods picture putting Apartments next to your home um 3B cause and material reduction in existing abing properties why should future buyers pay the same amount of property next to an apartment complex just common sense uh section 3C inconsistent with local land use patterns section four inconsistent with Decades of rural character of the surrounding areas and uh 5G generally cause more traffic impacting road safety and Road Services requesting inside North marid Island commercial Corridor and area for commercial buildings and development which is designated to not have residential development especially not high density residential there have been several successful commercial developments over the past 2 years on mer North marid Island so commercial is possible if reasonably priced and we see that commercial development has overall less impact on Sur surrounding properties than high density housing okay so the in you know the nine meridon is also being as low as it is is already FL flood prone as everyone said is much more environmentally sensitive and not the place for apartments and Tow houses we keep hearing the argument from developers that their storm water will be by law fall held on their property more and more when we experience our typical summer and fall rains and then big storms come in all those promises go out go out of their retention areas and flood our streets and our properties while new developments sit up higher and runs more Runner more water onto US every big storm now Okay so I don't I don't want to keep saying this but I'll just the last last um paragraph this property is currently zoned so that it could have four residences built on it to lower their harmful impact on the surrounding residents houses and people who have invested their life and savings we request that the applicants honor the current zoning and put their commercial or for residents on that as they can and uh and we have you know again we uh uh um I think I I'm not sure if I said it already but we have um we have requested to this object completely so that's about it I thank you very much for your time consideration and uh thank you very much for considering yes sir you said if I'm not mistaken you would agree to four yes corre that is the age yes that we agre the correct four on the property thank you sir and remember before it was North Meritt Island it was mosquito Island thank you very much and enjoy your Christmas thank you sir whatever holiday you celebrate thank you too sir thank you very much is there anyone else who wants to speak on the item that we didn't have a card for no okay Commissioners are there any other questions for staff I I think I have one uh I asked about short-term rental um there so I'm just going to assume that the nearby neighborhood uh their HOA wouldn't allow that but their zoning would that allow egret's Landing um eet's Landing is uh residentially zoned which does not allow um the zoning classification for that is eu2 I believe and so it does not allow for short-term rentals as a permitted use right UND understood so but the but this parcel would allow for that though that we're considering proposed the both the proposed zoning and the current zoning would allow for short-term rentals yes sir and and Mr chair if I may just to go back to Mr Goodson's question or commissioner Goodson's question it appears that uh egis Landing is about 1.5 units to the acre development okay Commissioners any any other discussion uh Kim you recognized uh I think we have seven minutes left for you uh thank you uh chairman felner um I again I do want to clarify it's not residential one it's residential 2 but it's um in the area everything yellow is residential 2 uh the small area study did want to change everything that was undeveloped to residential one I was indeed hired by about 15 Property Owners to keep their properties out of the small area study not to fight the small area study so um that there is a distinction there they just wanted to be kept out as has been done in Prior small area studies so this is 2.47 Acres uh seeking nine town homes under ra24 again because it is Community commercial future landan use element policy 2.10 allows for one density bump so it's technically four units to the acre um looking at the staff report it states that clearly on page three four units the acre um is potential the other issue in the staff report um on page five is that there's no material violation of relevant policies have been identified that's all the administrative policies that you've heard in conclus fashion that this project will violate there's no evidence that any of these will be violated in fact we do meet by staff's report um there's no adversity to those policies um regarding traffic on page seven of the staff report I I'm not sure with the 20121 traffic study information came from um but this does say that the max um Val the uh maximum acceptable valume volume is 41790 this currently operates at 36.83 so it's not even at 40% of capacity and this would only increase the utilization by. 21% so there are only nine units and usually town homes have about seven trips per day uh so this is not going to be a substantial impact we can't help the traffic design with the u-turns and the lady that's concerned about the U-turn says they have to but that's not something this development is necessarily going to cure nor would it warrant a traffic study with only nine units it may be an issue for Bard traffic to look at in the future uh this is um nine units according to the Future Lane uses permissible uh they're not Apartments they're Town Homes bu1 currently allows Resort rentals bu1 currently allows hotels and motels and by the mixed use ordinance that I cited to you earlier we believe that it can be more because it says residence is plural and um it's something that hasn't been used but if this is denied we'll certainly look at doing that and having a mixed use facility there with Town Homes that's not what he wants to do because then bu1 setbacks would apply bu1 setbacks are only 15 ft if you have the ra24 you have setbacks of a perimeter of 25 ft and we're willing to agree to a bdp to increase the buffers to leave natural buffers if possible to present you know prevent the proximity to um the residents in egrets the flooding comes up every time a new development comes uh North mer island is actually very special because of flooding and about three years ago maybe four years ago there was that massive study and there's now additional compensatory storage required in North marid Island I don't know that it's been used yet because it's a model that all this data has to go into and so it ensures that there's not going to be flooding from new development uh a engineer has to certify BAS basically based upon his license this is not going to impact and there have been Engineers that have been very concerned about that so there are stricter requirements in the past four years for North Marland than there have been in the past uh this is single family Town Homes to single family town homes they are not Apartments uh regarding uh the current setbacks from egret's Landing um the most the the person closest to this property his side setback is only 10 ft then there's that 10 to 15t strip of HOA property then you'd have a perimeter setback of 25 ft so you're looking at 45 ft from that person's property and again the perimeter setback for ra24 is greater than bu1 um circumstances change he bought this in 2005 the space shuttle was up and running space shuttle closed down in 2011 things changed that traffic has diminished from the space shuttle traffic um circumstances change property that you built might not be able to BU build what you wanted to uh he shouldn't be faulted for wanting to do something than not being able to do it because of change of circumstances the property hasn't been developed uh I'm unaware of any successful commercial area in North Mar Island other than Dollar General um Mr era didn't give any any indications of what that was but again the commercial that's up there is not thriving and in fact has been repurposed again they weren't faulted for that and we had a lot of people come out against that resoning for the cruise parking there is four units to the acre already at Island Lakes as I've mentioned the mobile home community and I did want to briefly discuss the administrative policies um because the administrative policies do indeed support this resoning uh policy 3 talks about um the the use the use of single family 3C talks about emerging or existing patterns of development actual development over the preceding three years is the town homes to the north adopted levels of service will not be compromised your staff uh report has said that um this is consistent with the written deant Land Development policies and the future land use element it will not cause substantial draining problems it's not allowed to by your code it's not going to have an adverse impact on Wetlands natural bodies or habitats uh the character of the land use surrounding is single family this is single family uh the change in the conditions of the land use being considered it it's not being developed as commercial because it's not feasible to do so you'd have more vacant land more vacant buildings as they already vacant commercial buildings up there with that we believe that this is compatible with the area it is a transition from the uh substantial uh Parkway so you got residential and then you have more residential uh further to the East and it does meet your comp plan and it does meet the conditions of your code most of those issues raised are site plan issues that your staff will address as well fdot thank you commissioner try figure this mik thank you um have you looked at the size of the lots and herrings Landing errat's Landing erets Landing yeah you wrong bird right that's it's single family plotted but the size of those lots um they can be 9,000 square fet I don't know what they all are I was just looking and I the first one I looked at was 0.23 of an acre which is greater than four units per acre if I do the math on your proposed your your client's proposal the toal Acres divided by the number of units it's 3.6 Acres yes sir it's less dense than the subdivision to the back and I um I was just wonder if y you had looked at that how did you get that number of lots at a lower density than iget Landing is it because of the buffer areas that you're providing it's just the way the subdivisions have to work you take a third of a sub Division and it's generally used for drainage and infrastructure and things like that and I know when you look at the other the drainage and the infrastructure eret land in density is lower but the ACT it's interesting when you look at the actual size of the Lots how comparable they are I was just curious how that was um are are you are you willing to agree to the site plan you submitted in terms of the number of units it's the number of units yes and and and he is willing to agree to additional buffers on the on the east side if if that's the requirement or request of this commission okay Commissioners any other questions or discussion on the item thank you okay uh commissioner Goodson sir um if they would agree to a binding development plan of four units I'd be all for it you've heard the homeowners in North Marina say they would accept exep four so if that's the case fine I will vote for it if not I'm a no okay and if that's the case do you want do you want to take five minutes no okay if that's the case I'd like to make a motion that it's denied because I don't hear a Ming a bing we could no he he can't do that feasibly okay sir for the record I think uh the owner said no yes correct I have a motion on the table I'd like to second that okay we have a motion for a denial by commissioner Goodson we have a second by commissioner Delany the clerk will call the role I have S Sor okay I'm going to vote against that motion and I just want to State why I certainly appreciate the neighbors's concern but I I'm not a fan of strip commercial and uh when you look at this quarter going up to the cape I'd hate to see it just become another quarter like we see throughout the county that are Tic tacky strip commercial uh lights you know we haven't even talked about the the impact of a beu zoning that could have on the neighborhood in terms of the lighting at night not to mention some of the heavy uh uses the applicants attorney has brought to our attention um I think it's reasonable and I think what we're hearing is economically it's going to be developed as be1 eventually because the four units per for the the total side size of the site is not feasible the actual impact of The Proposal is is very similar to egis Landing in terms when you look at the terms of the land that's used and the number of lots on the land because those lots in negro Landing are less than a quarter of an acre so I I think it's a good request I think it's uh better for the community I think that uh housing is always single family housing always is much more compatible with the existing housing and can provide a nice buffer between the housing and uh egret's U Landing so I I'm going to vote against it because I I I support the applicant's request that's great okay I said that's great yeah thank you commissioner uh commissioner Delaney I um my biggest concern is that um eag's Landing the engineers had to certify that there would be no flooding and here we go well regardless they had to um they had to basically give the county plans that said that there would be no flooding um and we see this time and time again in our County it's part of the reason why I'm up here is because developers get to come in and they get to do whatever they please on their property because of their own property rights and it doesn't matter what happens to the existing homeowners and we can't continue to to do this people um my heartbreaks for your situation and I'm I'm so sorry the the situation you're in and I truly mean that um but we we can't continue doing this thank you okay Morris thank you sir commissioner Goodson can I just ask that in the event your motion passes can we include in your motion that uh you direct the County Attorney to develop a resolution setting forth proposed findings of fact conclusions of law and the action taken to be returned to the board uh for at a future regular meeting as a consent agenda item yes by all means thank you sir okay he he amend so commissioner Goodson's motion is amended with um what Morris just said okay uh commissioner Delaney you're still a second on that yes okay any other debate on the on the motion no all right we have a we have a motion by commissioner Goodson we have a second by commissioner Delany clerk will call the role commissioner Delaney yes Vice chair Goodson yes commissioner ainson no commissioner Alman no sherff feltner yes all right we'll show that one approved we're going to take a f minute break and then we'll come back uh we're going to come to J1 in public comment [Music] [Music] n [Music] I think we're ready to restart uh commissioner Delaney if you if you'll take your seats we'll start son okay okay thank thank thank you is there anything that we can do to deal with the to go to the who do we go to to the building department to say stop building people up here all the way around us hold on of your previous build put it down save money okay commissioner we're going to we don't know what to do ma'am ma'am I I appreciate it very much we're um we're going to go on to thank you okay thank thank you okay if we're if we're ready to get started we we have another item um okay okay okay commissioner ainson you're you're recognized thank you thank you um Commissioners for indulging me um this is a request to wave our normal policy this item um is my request to schedule a closed executive session of the board to discuss Collective barting negotiations policy limits actions at board zoning meetings uh to land use items unless the board finds by a super majority vote that it's in the public interest for the board to consider a non-land used item okay let me just clarify I think we need four votes to consider the item is that correct Morris that is correct all right so let's let's uh do we need a motion in a second is that is that how we'll do it yes sir okay all right um commissioner ainson having explained her item is is that a motion yes it is okay so we have a second we have a motion by commissioner ainson to consider the item we have a second by commissioner Delany clerk will call the role commissioner Delany yes Vice chair Goodson no Vice chair ainson yes Vice chair Alman yes chair feltner yes I think it's okay everyone got promoted too so that's that's okay all right commissioner ainson on your item thank you um the purpose of this executive session would be to discuss with staff related to the negotiations with the internal or International Association of firefighters local 2969 the executive sessions related to collective bargaining negotiations are permitted by Florida statute uh prior board uh had the benefit of an executive session regarding the same contract negotiations in May of this year year we have not I believe it's prudent and reasonable that the current board received the same opportunity particularly with three new board members the request is that the executive session occur immediately after the regular board meeting scheduled for December 17th the importance of this issue necessitates making the request at a zoning meeting postponing an executive session into the new year would delay any new direction to staff and potentially further uh delay the conclusion of negotiations okay commissioner ainson having explained our item other other questions okay we have one card Sandra you recognized Sandra Sullivan so uh thank you for bringing this forward because we have lost in the news this week 108 uh Personnel uh the concern is we're moving towards a a critical service failure we had a critical service failure in 1997 there was a report done with recommendations there were two recommendations in that and as you go into this executive session I would like you to consider a couple of things the recommendations from that study which is on the FEMA Page by the way uh recommended that the impact fees be increased to the surrounding counties it was very under with the surrounding counties as you know impact fees have not been updated in nearly 35 years uh with massive increases in in in costs and some things you know some of the vehicles have doubled in cost um the second recommendation they made was an EMS assessment and I read the assessment that uh the county manager wrote up and um it is not consistent with facts uh so um so the the study that was done recommended an EMS assessment what the county did back then was did an MST and of course they were sued by Palm Bay and as a consequence of that that the findings of that was that you cannot have a adalum tax for EMS assessment because of the the it's not related to the property and so by the Attorney General legal opinions and by that uh that case which I have sent all of you a screenshot from that that clearly states this out that this has to be an EMS assessment so as you go into the negotiations you have to find money to pay our far futter so the couple things I'd like you to consider one is taking the money that you just got from our constitutional offices and dedicating that two addressing impact fees three looking at your Billing System we wrote off $13 million in uh in in writeoffs and that number is skyrocketing and I'm not talking about Medicare because you can't deal anything with that I'm talking about writing off people who don't pay for transport and so in looking at other counties and what other counties do um there's one I looked at one for example they do their billing inh housee so you go to the County website and you put in your billing you put in your insurance information it process it are you aware that Bard County does not through the contract they have with the company in Orlando does not process insurance payments I mean if you did an analysis of other surrounding counties and how much more they bring in as a percentage because they process that so there's multiple ways to bring in additional revenues to help solve this also please evaluate whether a fire district an independent fire district would be helpful thank you thank you okay Commissioners debate on the item discussion we're we we voted to introduce the item right okay so uh we we we didn't have any questions we had our our comment card so we're now we're going to entertain a motion uh on the item uh to have the executive session after the commission meeting on Tuesday so that's okay is there any other discussion on commissioner Delan sorry I just wanted to say thank you um commissioner ainson for bringing this forward okay is there a motion on the item okay I moved that the board schedule an executive session with the county manager and appropriate staff to discuss ongoing collective bargaining negotiations um with the International Association of firefighters to be held at the end of the regular board meeting on December 17th 20124 second okay we have we have a motion by commissioner ainson we have a second by commissioner delini clerk will call the RO commissioner Delany yes Vice chair Goodson no Vice chair ainon yes Vice chair Alman yes chair felner yes I lost again we'll show that passes what what was the vote I'm sorry four to one okay all right okay we'll show that passes all right we'll move into uh public comment Sandra Solin Sandra Sullivan so I want to just say citizens demand fire aate now and the reason for this is this public service crisis that we are facing here in Bard county has been largely created by Mr Bate now a motion was made to extend his contract until this new board came on and in fact the suggestion was made by chair feltner the trust is lost and while we have a new commission board the issues with with this I mean I read this this report yesterday uh I I just frankly couldn't believe I mean we're paying this guy aund sorry $275,000 and that report that that was put out yesterday is garbage there's no way to sugarcoat it it it is restore the EMS assessment countywide so what he wrote apparently a does not understand that the Palm Bay lawsuit against the county in 2004 determined that adorm taxes for EMS were not legal so hiding the tax under the general fund is still an ADV valorum tax EMS assessment was under non-ad valorum tax prior to 1998 and should be countywide that's what what the referendum in 1988 was was to vote for a countywide EMS service because of a critical service failure at that time very extensively studied so the fact that in 2004 the county got sued you can't have it as a non-ad valorum tax I mean can't have it as a vorum tax you have to have as a non adlum tax you read the the legal opinions the Attorney General legal opinions okay there's one done the most recent one in 2012 it says it has to be not on adalum assessment so just like where you have your fire assessment you have an EMS assessment then you're pulling it out of general fund which is an advm tax right and the amount that is in advm tax isn't enough to cover the 47% of your Fire EMS budget that is em is EMS it's not enough to cover the percentage so the cities aren't paying their share we need to fix this now those things can't be fixed until next year so we have to find money in the meantime to fix this why he didn't address other issues like to do a report on fire assessment that isn't going to bring in any money for a year you know how long it takes to do maybe an EMS and fire impact fee study probably I'm thinking 6 weeks to two months it's a short one let's get some money in to address fire thank you ma'am are you filling out a card in the back there okay okay appre Stephanie sir name is Stephanie Stephanie come on Stephanie hello good evening my name is Stephanie Muki I am a resident of egret's Landing I realized that you already took a vote on this so I hate to be a dead horse but I just wanted to come and say my piece about that zoning request and thank you for those who voted um against the zoning I really appreciate that I so I live in eager's landing and this proposed um rezoning is I I'm sorry ma'am uh those items have to be considered at a public hearing and they're process consideration so the other parties have to be present so they can hear and respond to what's said the board has already denied the requested action okay and if you do this now it'll complicate the record and potentially create a an error uh in the record so okay so I can't speak during the public comment not on not on a public hearing quasi judicial item I'm sorry well thank you for your vote Mars does that also apply if I was to ask her about her drainage in egret's landing would that you're welcome to ask her about her drainage and Egret Landing just not about the specific zoning request that you heard earlier okay are you thank you chair are you familiar with your with your drainage of Egret I I'm not an expert in that area surely not I know you I thought you were an expert in everything thank you does your well let me ask you this okay does it drain to the back of your lot or drain to the front or both or it's both both the that's I thought yes so then it goes to do you have one Pawn or two pawns we have two have you ever noticed it even the worst uh like a hurricane do they overflow um they get very high yes but as far as overflowing I honestly I stay indoors when it's that bad I don't go out inspecting for my safety but and the outflow of those tons is toward Hall Road maybe or correct okay I thought so thank you so much man okay thank you okay Commissioners we will had a lot of fun tonight it's been grand uh we'll move taking drugs we'll move into board reports Mr County Manager thank you commissioner um I want to take an opportunity to just respond a little bit to some of the comments you heard tonight um as it relates to the fire assessment report we are going to be presenting to the the board next week I am very proud of the document that we we uh put together it is a very accurate document it is very comprehensive you'll hear it next week when we present it was put together by five senior staff members who all wrote separate parts including the county attorney and the budget director I'm very confident in what they put together that it's an accurate representation and we look forward to presenting it to the board thank you sir Mr County attorney I would just Echo Mr abat I encourage you to forget everything you just heard about the validity of EMS adval and non adorm assessments because it's exactly reversed of what the cases say but uh but that's in your report going forward I have no other report thank you sir commissioner rman commissioner ainson I have no report um commissioner Delaney yes um I just wanted to bring a couple things forward I um I don't know if I'm allowed to do this now but um for the record I just wanted to state that I did meet with Miss rinka um prior to I did um bring forward the public disclosure the the written public disclosure but just for the record for everybody listening um I I think it's fair to meet with everybody and um so I did meet with her and um the other thing that I wanted to to talk about uh was this meeting with uh about the wastewater treatment plant um I'm I'm very concerned that this is this uh issue is dealing with um District 1 and District 2 and I feel very passionate that we deserve a seat at the table when speaking to these people um and I just wanted to kind of see if we could open this for discussion to see if if there are any options to have maybe a rotating commissioner that goes through or if commissioner Goodson if you wanted to go kind of back and forth or Chairman's been going right but I you want somebody else to go other than chairman well I just feel like it's this is really affecting my district and I um how can it be affecting your District because the long-term plans are dealing with the regional plan that will probably be 10 years so unless you extend the term limit she will not be here right but the plans leading up to that will greatly affect my people okay would would you like me to try to speak to that that would be great um I'm I'm certainly very sensitive to that I I would tell you that um while we all advocate for our district um I am very very mindful of everything in this County so I I I can commit to you today that I'm looking out for the rate repairs um in in this Arrangement and uh the what we're looking at in terms of infrastructure and so I'm I I I think we have a sunshine challenge in in um but at this stage in where we are with uh talking to space Florida and and others uh nothing will be agreed to until it comes back to the board I I I promise promise you're going to have uh ample opportunity at this point it's a it's a question and answer period I don't I I wish I could come back and say to you that there there are three definite things that um you know you're going to see in the very near future but we're we're it's not there yet um so um the Q&A piece of it though like I'm I'm concerned about that because I um you know my my district elected me to work on behalf of their interests and um I'm not able to do that in this situation and I feel like the planning of the Q&A that's what brings forward the plan to come back to us as a whole board and you know if if commissioner Goodson and I are not at the maybe commissioner Goodson doesn't feel this way I don't know but I I'm concerned good okay commissioner Goodson thank you chair um I I think I feel this way I'm very concerned about everything you said but I'm not going to get in the middle of it setting at a table with you when I get charged with a Suns Sunshine violation and if you can't trust your staff and right now in the very preliminary stages we instructed staff to go back to them and then come back to us so do you want to be there every time they meet and put yeah I just I just think that we should trust our staff to do something if not why do we have staff but that's my feelings and that's all I'm gonna say um a couple things about that is I I'm not asking for all of us to be there at the same time I was seeing if we could do like a I don't know if that still violates Sunshine if we do a rotating um commissioner but as far as trusting staff I say this with all due respect my people didn't elect staff they elected me that's great I agree totally but you do have to trust that uh if we rotate I'll just say this real quick commissioner and then I'll I'll step aside if we if we rotate Commissioners I I think that eliminates the sunshine issue okay so um okay uh commissioner Alman you wanted to weigh in on that sir I definitely understand where commissioner Delaney is coming from but there are two points I'd like to make one historically um we elected chairman for a purpose and the chairman is there to represent the board as a whole and I'm convinced that we have a good chairman and I know he will look after your interest he's going to look after my interest he's going to play that balancing act so I mean I understand what you're saying it's good that you say that's your concern you're impacting your District but I think we got we're good we're represented well and that's one of the duties of a chairman that chairman is there to represent the board as a whole when we're not able to be there secondly I think there are certain issues that transcend District boundaries um for example beaches even though you don't have public beaches you have well you have play Linda there a beautiful beach the best beach in the county best beach in the county yeah but nobody lives there but I think you Beach re nourishment beach access Beach parking you deserve a seated table as much as I do even though I have beaches so um I and I think space is one of those issues too that I mean this not only affects your District it affects the whole count the state the country I mean this is a huge issue but I certainly take notice of what you're saying and I don't differ with it I will fight for Titusville as much as I will fight for Melbourne you know we're all in this together this is a huge issue for all of us you look at the number of people that work out there and it would be interesting where most people were but it it's it's this is a county issue and I think it's good you bring it up I know the Chairman's going to look after us and represent us well thank you thank you sir I I appreciate that I think at this stage um I I'll continue on I'll tell you what though when we get to something of some uh substance here um I would I would yield to you I don't I don't see any any problem that I think just to be productive today we're we're it's it's conceptional uh conceptual but uh nothing sort of concrete it's just it's just not there yet so um would you would you agree to that when we get when we get to some kind of conversation with them I I I think I know the level that you're looking for okay so and and I'm happy to uh step aside um when we get to that point so pleas know this I'm not I didn't mean any disrespect or think that you that's not what I meant I I don't take it that way and uh when there are other issues I can step aside and uh all of you are very capable um you know happy to do that so okay um sir yes sir you know I think to um commissioner Delaney you certainly um if um you have you can meet with staff anytime you can meet with space Florida anytime you can engage in this issue and have a big impact so your your uh input is really important I mean your community is really dependent on what happens out of the space and I would have no problem your engagement I know it's just when there's certain times when the Board needs to be but I would encourage you to be active and I know you won't be shy um I appreciate that I I think everybody can understand that when all parties are at the table it's a much different conversation than the one-on-one so that's that was my only concern and at the end of the day I have the residents of district one um to face and I have to do what I believe is right in that thank you I appreciate it I agree with you and I'll just say finally uh you know we all vote on all items tonight we we voted on every zoning item whether it's in your District or not and so that's never lost on me and um I'll just suggest to you you've been well represented so far okay absolutely okay uh commissioner Goodson in Border report none okay uh I think it was uh quite a quite something today that we had four Commissioners at TPO I I don't I don't even know if uh if that's happened before uh the three new Commissioners uh got here so the question is do we have fun yeah do you have fun I the cupcakes were good uh uh and then uh finally I'll just say uh my chief of staff uh Carol melino it is her birthday today so we wish wish her a happy birthday all right all right I think we're done um motion to adjourn all right all right thank you everybody the opinions expressed by any member of the public during any period of public comment do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the board of County commissioners of Bard County Florida Space Coast government television or the program sponsor and are solely those of the presenter the board of County commissioners of rard County Florida space Co Coast government television and the program sponsor hereby expressly disclaim any in all responsibility or liability for any defamatory or slanderous statements expressed by any member of the public during any such period [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]