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are within the board's control, authority, and jurisdiction. Good evening and welcome to the July 8th meeting of the county commissioners. Um, tonight we have Keith Beecher, Space
Coast Humist, humanist, sorry, sir. Good evening, commissioners, staff, and neighbors. Before this meeting gets underway, I politely ask that we pause, not to dismiss the gravity of the various situations and events that surround us, but to reflect on them with
the utmost prudence and conscientiousness. We are a community made stronger by our differences and the resolve of the people. I make a plea to all of you this evening that you commit yourselves to representing all your constituents. That all of us respect the growing diversity
of this county. For diversity is not something we have to endure, but something we should protect. It is the scaffolding that strengthens and supports our communities. May we resist the urge to seow division and stoke fear. Threatening to kill
unarmed citizens, assaulting officers with a flag pole, or cheering on the suffering of others does nothing for our communities. Nor does exalting those who choose to ignore our shared humanity while giving others a license to dehumanize their neighbors. What are the shared values we can
coalesce around as a community? What values will make room for all of us? Do our neighbors not deserve the right to fairness, dignity, and inclusion? We the people. This is a phrase we have heard and hear so often. Yet, we have continually failed to make these words a
reality as our country's history progresses forward in time. So, the question is, if not now, when? Let us remember we don't all need to think alike, worship the same, look alike, or love the same to have a community that everyone can call home.
May we humble ourselves, speak honest, speak with honesty, listen intently, and hold a shared belief that the law, the county of Bvard, and the space we make it belongs to all of us. Thank you. Nicely done, sir. Thank you very much,
Commissioner Atinson, for the pledge of allegiance. Pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Okay, commissioners, just as a housekeeping uh item here real quick before we get started, we have Commissioner uh Alman on the phone. Are you there, sir? I'm here. All right, very good. We need a motion and a second to allow him to participate
by phone. Second. All right. We have a motion by Commissioner Atkinson. We have a second by Commissioner Delaney. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney, yes. Vice Chair Goodson, yes. Commissioner Atkinson,
yes. Commissioner Alman, yes. Uh, Chairman Felner, yes. Thank you for that. Um, all right. We have minutes to approve from March 6, 2025 budget workshop number two. We have
April 8th, 2025 regular meeting and May 6, 2025 regular meeting. Is there second? I have a motion by Commissioner Goodson. I have a second by Commissioner Delaney. Clerk will call the RO. Commissioner Delaney. Yes.
Vice Chair Goodson. Yes. Commissioner Atkinson, yes. Commissioner Alman. Yes. Chairman Felner. Yes. Thank you for that. Commissioners, we'll move into resolutions. We have uh three tonight. I have one for uh
Commissioner Goodson that I'm going to read and then I've got I've got two. Uh we're going to go to the second one, E2. Um Colonel Marcus Smith is here tonight for men's health and he's got a meeting
in Melbourne to get to. So sir, um you're welcome to bring your group up if you like. Just you? Well, you're just enough. All right. We have a resolution tonight for men's health awareness month. Whereas men's health is a critical
component of the overall well-being of our community, and addressing men's health issues is essential for building strong families in a vibrant society. And whereas statistical data indicates that men are more likely to face health challenges such as heart disease,
diabetes, prostate, and other cancers and mental health issues often due to a lack of awareness in preventative care. And whereas men's health month observed each June serves as a national campaign to raise awareness of preventable health
problems and encourage early detection and treatment of disease among men and boys. And whereas Bvard County Board of County Commissioners acknowledges the importance of promoting healthy lifestyles, regular exercise, and routine medical checkups for men of all
ages, races, and backgrounds. And whereas the upcoming Cocoa Merit Island alumni chapter of Kappa Alphasai Fraternity, Inc. and the Men in the Community Foundation Men's Health and Fitness Summit scheduled for Saturday,
June 27th, 2026 at Eastern Florida State Colleg's Melbourne campus aims to provide men with resources, education, and activities focused on physical, mental, and emotional health. And whereas the summit will feature expert-led workshops, interactive
fitness sessions, free health screenings, and a local vendor marketplace, all designed to empower men to take charge of their health and well-being. And whereas Bvard County Board of County Commissioners supports initiatives that align with our commitment to community health,
education, and empowerment. Now therefore, be it resolved that the Bvard County Board of County Commissioners hereby recognizes June as Men's Health Awareness Month in Bvard County and express our support for the 2026 Men's Health and Fitness Summit done order and
adopted in regular session this 8th day of July 2025. Is there a motion to approve? We have a motion by Commissioner Delaney. We have a second by Commissioner Atinson. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney. Yes. Vice Chair Goodson,
yes. Commissioner Atkinson, yes. Commissioner Alman, yes. Chairman Felner, yes. And Colonel, you're recognized. First off, thank you u commissioners and uh Commissioner Felner for that
proclamation. So, for for many of you who may not know, but June is nationally recognized as men's health awareness month. And when we come up on the month of October, we know that as breast cancer awareness month. So, we're creating this initiative as a way of advocating for more men's health awareness initiatives. And in 2026,
we're going to have that men's health and fitness summit. There's a website that's already up. And so, this proclamation is just a way of creating more awareness and also just letting the community know that we want men to be a part of taking care of their health and we want to create a safe space. Uh so,
in 2026, we're hoping to have 200 plus men to come to Eastern Florida State College. And this proclamation is just uh a way of saying, you know, we're here and this is activity. So, thank you for this. And to the public, thank you all for uh being here and hearing this. More to come. And I have to head off to
Melbourne for the city council meeting. I got a resolution for you and we'll take a picture real quick. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, commissioners, we'll go on to uh E1 uh recognizing Space Coast Day. Okay. And I think we have Jamie Draper. Sir,
after we vote on this, you could say a few words if you like up up to you. I have a proclamation for Space Coast Day. Whereas on July 24th, 1950, at 9:28 a.m., a small group of scientists,
engineers, and technicians accelerated America into space age by successfully launching a modified V2 rocket Bumper 8 from the sands of Cape Canaveral. And whereas today, 75 years after that historic event, thousands of launches
have been conducted by military, NASA, and private contractors for national security or scientific or commercial purposes. And whereas the missile program led to the deployment of such missions as America's first satellite
Explorer 1, orbiting the Earth in 1958, Alan Shepard riding the first man Mercury capsule in 1961, John Glenn orbiting the Earth in 1962, and Apollo 11 landing on the moon in 1969.
Further ventures include probes traveling to other planets and journeying outside of our solar system. the space shuttle and an overwhelmingly successful manned space program and a permanent human presence in space aboard
the International Space Station. And whereas many of these launches began their journey from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. And whereas the use of space has had an immense impact on the world from wireless capabilities to weather prediction from medical
advancements to global navigation and beyond. And whereas currently inactive launch complexes are being rejuvenated for a new generation of launch vehicles to support space exploration in the increased commercial application of
space. And whereas the launch of bumper 8 had a national implications as it set the stage for the development of the world's premier gateway to space. Now therefore, be it resolved that the board of county commissioners of BVAR County, Florida, does hereby proclaim July 24th,
2025 as Space Coast Day, done order and adopted in regular session this 8th day of July, 2025. Commissioners, is there a motion? Move to approve. We have a motion by Commissioner Delaney. Second. Have a second by Commissioner Atinson. Clerk will call the role.
Commissioner Delaney, yes. Vice Chair Goodson, yes. Commissioner Atkinson, yes. Commissioner Alman, yes. Chairman Felner, yes. Thank you very much, sir. You're recognized to say a few words if you like.
Well, thank you for helping us celebrate 75 years of launch from Florida's Space Coast. I just discovered today that we started referring to this area as the Space Coast in 1969. So, that's another
little addition to all the warehouses. So, We'll take that very much. No other remarks from Okay, very good. I have a resolution for you to to take with you, sir. Thank you. Okay, commissioners, we have a resolution
for Parks and Recreation Month and Parks and Recreation Professionals Day. And we have quite a contingent today. What's up? Okay. That's great. We appreciate you all coming tonight.
Okay. Okay. Commissioners, I have a resolution designating July 2025 as Parks and Recreation Month and Friday, July 18th, 2025 as Parks and Recreation Professionals Day. Whereas parks and recreation serves as
an integral part of our community through the promotion of health and wellness, encouraging active lifestyles, improving mental health, and it's fundamental to the environmental well-being of our community. And whereas parks and recreation programming and education activities such as afterchool
programming and day camps, youth sports and environmental education are critical to childhood development help cultivate lifelong friendships and create memories and community bonds that people hold dear decades later. And whereas our
parks, natural recreation areas, and environmentally endangered lands, sanctuaries ensure the ecological beauty of our community and provide a place for children and adults to connect with nature and recreate outdoors. And
whereas the US House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month and the National Recreation and Park Association recognizes this July as the 40th annual Parks and Recreation Month and will celebrate Parks and Recreation
Professionals Day on Friday, July 18th. And whereas this year's theme, build together, play together, is a reminder of the contributions of more than 160,000 full-time parks and recreational professionals along with hundreds of
thousands of part-time and seasonal workers and volunteers who maintain our country's close to home parks. Now therefore, be it resolved that the Bvard County Board of County Commissioners hereby recognizes July 2025 as Parks and
Recreation Month and Friday, July 18th, 2025 as Parks and Recreation Professionals Day. Done order and adopted in regular session this 8th day of July 2025. Is there a motion? Move to approve. We have a motion by Commissioner Delaney. Second. We have a second by Commissioner
Atkinson. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney. Yes. Vice Chair Goodson. Yes. Commissioner Atkinson. Yes. Commissioner Alman. Yes. Chairman Felner. Yes. We'll show that passes. 5-0. Ian, you're recognized.
Thank you. Good evening and thank you again, commissioners, for recognizing the important park parts and recreation and the professionals who work there play in serving our communities and residents such as the kids that you see here from our camps. Uh, our staff and facilities embody the
county's mission to enhance our residents quality of life. We like to say it starts in parks and this is never more evident than when we look at the sheer number of people who utilize our parks, our facilities, sanctuaries, and educational centers. Through them annually, internally and externally,
there are more than two and a half million people who attend programs there. um more than 59,000 campground stays and almost 10,000 facility rentals. This year, in celebration of the 40th anniversary of July is National
Parks and Recreation Month, we've actually lost launched a passport to our community educational centers with the goal of increasing knowledge in the activities and programs available. So families that participate will be able to pick up a passport at one of our community centers and they get them
stamped as they visit different centers. And as you visit more centers and get more stamps, you're eligible to get prizes all the way up to if you get all 19 centers uh entered into a drawing for uh two free nights stay at one of our campgrounds.
So unfortunately for the discounts in the raffle drawing, county staff are not eligible for that level. Uh, sorry. Sorry. But again, thank you and we hope to see you at one of our community centers. That's great. Thanks, Ian. Sure.
Yeah. How do you want to turn them around center like this and get them to scrunch in? I'll try to get an overall shot and get the commissioner stand here. So, you want them on the other side. They all need to come this side and face that way.
But they can they can turn around. Squeeze in. Come and we're going to look that way. Yeah. Come on back here.
Come on back here. There you go. Good. And then turn around. There we go. Good job. Come on. All right. Can we Can we squish in
to Linda? No hiding. So this side we need to come in a little bit more. Come on. We can kneel here. Is that all right? One more.
Thank you. Appreciate Thank you everybody. I hope you don't have to give me the one who took over with him. She'll she'll take good care of you. She told me to give a few
commissioners. Oh, they're they're leaving. Uh we're going to move into consent. Do we have uh any items to pull from consent? We have two cards on consent. We'll go ahead and go to those. Uh Sandra Sullivan,
I'm sorry. F4. F4. Okay. Just Sandra Sullivan, South Patrick Shores. Just a quick comment on this one. So this is about waving impact fees. So essentially our impact fees are already really heavily discounted
already because they haven't been updated in 25 years. So they're cents on the dollar as it is. So waving impact fees when we have a fiscal crisis on our infrastructure is probably not the wisest thing to do. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And then we have
Jennifer Hopkins on F22. Jennifer. Okay. There you go. Good evening. My name is Jennifer. I am a long-term resident of Bvard County. I'm here today with my neighbors to express my disgust regarding Sheriff Wayne Ivy's warnings
to peaceful pre protesters ahead of the no king's demonstrations on June 14th. His continued use of violent and inflammatory rhetoric deeply concerns me. He is creating a threat where none exists and in doing so to interrupt you on f on I hate to interrupt you but on F22 um that's
appointments and reappointments. Did you Oh, okay. All right. I just want I want to clarify. Sorry. That's okay. Okay. Um, I'm sorry. He's creating a threat where no none exists. And in doing so, he's escalating tensions, encouraging fear, and putting his own deputies in greater danger. I'll be honest, I wrote
and rewrote this a couple of times. I have so much to say, and none of it is good. And it certainly won't all fit into three-minute time frame. So, here are the highlights. My distaste for Sheriff Hy's version of law enforcement began in 2022 when he stood in front of the jail and threatened our students with old school discipline and fear. Um,
there's never been an arrest or report of vandalism or violence at a peaceful protest in Bvard County. I've personally attended several over the last year, and the only thing that has made me uncomfortable is the amount of people that like to rub their engines below black smoke over the crowd and peel out. Sheriff Ivy's threats to kill us
graveyard dead and Governor Dantis' declaration that it's okay to run protesters over with their vehicles served to make those demonstrations of weakness even more threatening. Sheriff Ivy got exactly what he wanted. His posturing put him on a national stage and he desperately wants that attention. Some of the comments I've seen on social
media include, "Don't spit, throw bricks, point guns, or stand in front of cars in the street seems reasonable." And if people don't behave that way, they have nothing to worry about. Kind of like, "If you don't want to go to prison for a crime, don't do a crime." You know, any crime. There are multiple points I can make about comments like these, but I'll stick to two. One, none
of these actions is a capital offense. Threatening extra judicial violence is not law enforcement. and its intimidation. Two, many of these comments have or many of these commenters have never been to River County, much less attended a peaceful protest here. His threats have made the rest of the county believe have
the rest of the county believing that we are inherently violent and deserve to be treated like animals. Wayne Ivy is a bully. He's just using harsh language. He isn't just using harsh language. He's using his badge, his uniform, and his platform to intimidate students, protesters, and anyone who dares to speak out. That's
not leadership. That's a bully with power. and it overshadows any good he may have done for this community. Every person physically standing next to him while he spews rhetoric should be ashamed of themselves. This commission has a responsibility to speak up and push back because silence is complicity. His words do not reflect the reality of
River County, nor do they reflect the values of a free and democratic society. I respectfully urge this commission to publicly condemn Sheriff Ivy's dangerous re rhetoric, initiate or support an independent review of his recent statements and conduct, and publicly affirm that Bvard County supports peaceful protest, civil discourse, and
constitutional rights. Please look into um docking Sheriff Ivy's pay or um I know he's uh based on election, but we're asking for something to be done in this situation. Thank you. Okay, commissioners. Um, those are the
only cards that we had on consent. No one asked to pull anything off of consent. Is there a motion for consent? Move to approve. We have a motion by Commissioner Delaney. Is there a second? We have a second by Commissioner Atinson. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney? Yes. Vice Chair Goodson?
Yes. Commissioner Atkinson? Yes. Commissioner Alman. Yes. Chairman Felner. Yes. Thank you for that. Commissioners, we have we're going to move into the G portion of uh public comment. Uh Susan
Connelly. Good evening, commissioners. I'm Susan Connelly, Palm Bay, Florida. For me, Speak Up Breard offers an opportunity for a new level of citizen engagement that goes beyond
public comment into committed collaboration between citizens and their government. Throughout Florida, there are similar programs. Orange County has connect. City of Miami has Forever Ideas. City of
Tampa in vision. Palm Beach County Input Initiatives and City of Melbourne has several programs for community feedback. None of these, however, have a dedicated program like Speak Up Revard with its clear process for submitting and
reviewing citizen solutions for general government operations. None of these programs have a structured method calling for solution proposals with a defined submission period and a
subsequent review by government staff. Some of these programs focus on urban planning and development. However, none of them focus on the broader goal of efficiency and effectiveness of government operations.
None of them have formalized presentations before a commission. How does it make you feel to be innovative and a leader? It makes me feel very proud of Bvard County, my government.
Bvard County is the first to see the necessity and benefit of citizens and government collaborating for the purpose of solutions for local government issues. Bvard County made SEIR, which is citizen
efficiency and effectiveness recommendation, a household word before Doge became a government department. I have participated two years in speak up. The process is not perfect. However,
the process can be improved. In fact, a group of citizens, I am one, calling ourselves the SEIR process improvement group, have been coming together to complete written suggestions for change. In 2026, we will be celebrating our
nation's 250th birthday. This will also be a time to celebrate Speak Up Breard as a shining example where citizens and government come together to be we the people. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you, Elizabeth Blackford. Good evening, commissioners. I'm Elizabeth Blackford, a Palm Bay resident and a 2015 graduate of the Bvard County Citizens Academy. Tonight I'm speaking on behalf of the ad hoc group Speak Up
Boulevard working group composed of people like me who participated in this year's program. For some of us 2025 was our first time. And while the program has generated great ideas since it began in 2010, we found the process for
submitting and implementing suggestions less than ideal. This led us to form our group aimed at ensuring future citizens efficiency and effectiveness recommendations are more thoughtful, better researched, and actionable,
making it easier for county staff to implement them. I think two modest changes could significantly improve the program, and you'll see my suggestions here. The first change involves revising the information entered by the submitter
on what I'll call the database input form. It includes an advisory that their contact information is publicly visible. My own experience was that although I could read other people's suggestions and see their names, I was unable to
contact them to try and coordinate with them. The second change is to make an annual workshop a permanent part of the program held soon after the submission deadline passes. All
submitters, the commissioner, county staff and public should be invited and encouraged to participate to address duplications, oversightes, legalities, and frankly bad ideas. The desired end product is a list of
thoughtful, actionable, and well-qualified sears that department personnel can reasonably be expected to recommend and implement. Coordinating a workshop like that will likely require additional time and effort on the part of county staff.
Fortunately, the county already has a program in place called Bvardians Responding as Volunteers, Brave for short, that could easily solicit for candidates interested in helping out. In fact, I mailed my application today.
I'm taking my time to share my observations now because this program is really important to many of us. I hope you'll choose to take action soon so that next year's SpeakUp Bvard session will be far more productive and satisfactory.
May I answer any questions for you about the submission form then? Thank you for listening. I I just have a statement. Thank you so much for you and your group's hard work for this. This is a program that's near
and dear to my heart and um I look forward to collaborating with you all and hopefully bringing forward some of these changes that you're talking about. Great. Thank you, Commissioner Mary Beth Leberta. Did I say that right? Good evening, commissioners.
My name is Mary Beth Labberta. I'm a Bvard County native, a licensed mental health counselor, and vice president of Space Coast Pride. On behalf of Space Coast Pride's board of directors, I'd like to offer a very sincere thank you to four of you for your no vote on the
cultural grant. Your choice rallied our community, not just here in Bvard County, but also across the state and even the nation. As a result, people came together to keep our festival thriving. In eight
days, we fundraised over $9,100. And in 30 days, we fundraised over $19,000. So, thank you for the visibility you helped generate. Now, let's talk about why this no vote was so confusing. Space Coast Pride was
awarded the same grant in 2024 after our parade and festival helped boost revenue for businesses on the Space Coast. Our festival took place just two days after hurricane Helen, a category 4 storm made landfall landfall in Florida. Despite that challenge, our attendance held
strong and we achieved a 25% increase from past years in out of county visitors. Nothing about our mission or our event has changed. The only thing that seems to have shifted is the political landscape. Suddenly, we are
labeled too political or not familyfriendly. So, let's respond with those feelings with facts. By the way, that's a little therapist tip to help reduce cognitive distortions. Space Coast Pride is a 501c nonprofit
organization. That means we are explicitly prohibited from participating in or interview intervening in any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to any political party or candidate for public office. We have always respected and upheld that role.
More than 20,000 people came together to celebrate in a safe, joyful, and welcoming welcoming environment. Our attendees represented a wide range of ages, gender identities, and cultural backgrounds. We hosted over 120 local
and out ofount vendors and shined a positive spotlight on the Space Coast as an inclusive destination. Families were present, children were present, and yes, it was a family-friendly event, just as it has been since the very beginning.
So, while your vote said no, Bvard County's response was a resounding yes. As always, we invite you to attend Space Coast Pride's parade and festival on September 27th in downtown Melbourne. Happy Pride Commissioners.
Thank you, Jane Rogers. Good evening. My name is Jane Pelican Rogers. My husband, Raymond Edward Rogers, and I have lived on Maymir Way since 1993 in Rocklage. And since we moved into our
beautiful home, our street has flooded. The water from Fisk Boulevard uh floods into our street and from the canal into our street to such a point that we had to buy a boat so we could get off of our
street. We have water moccasins that end up in our mailbox and attacked our mail lady. Um, we've asked for help from the city. We've sent letters. We've asked for requests, made phone calls from
Rocklage City. They said it's not their problem. It's Rocklage County's problem. Same thing from Rocklage County. They said it's not our problem. It's Rocklage City problem. But in the meantime, Rock uh Fisk Boulevard with all the new
building that that's going on there is increasing the flooding down our street. So it it comes up this high up waist level. Um the mosquitoes are standing. We can't get out. It it shorts the
engine on our car. And we have been requesting help over and over again since 1993 when I was there. And people before me have asked for the same thing and there there hasn't been a solution. It's always fingerpointing at somebody
else and nobody helping us. Now the uh canal in front on Fisk, it overflows. Trees fall into the canal. One of our neighbors pulled a couch out of the canal that was blocking the water. Then
in addition, uh, Lura, which is next to the wall is next to our street. Um, they promised there would be no more additional flooding. Well, now the water from Allura goes under the wall into our yard and then onto our street. So, we've
been fighting this battle for a very long time. We're just wondering if somebody would please help us. We've even hired an attorney, but that didn't it cost $800 just to get an attorney to talk to us. Um anyway, we and what good
is that going to do? We haven't got any help. We've asked for help numerous times and we're just wondering if can you one of you please help us give us an intersection of where you are so I know you say Fisk and what what's the next major street closest to you
that crosses Fisk? Um, Barnes is it's near Ruby Tuesdays. Barnes is the other one. And then Roy Wall. Okay. All right. But but it's just it's miserable and it's I mean, you shouldn't have to have a boat to get off your street.
Okay. Uh I I feel confident that Commissioner Goodson's office um we're in the process of trying to set a meeting up with DOT, Tyler, Rock, and the county. But your street was built, I
guess, in '92. It was in ' 74. A house was built in ' 74. 74. And if you know anything about your street, once you come off Fisk, you're two or three feet lower. Correct. The road is two or three feet lower than Fisk. It is lower.
Yes. So therefore, the water goes south. We did get DOT to clean out the ditch. Goes south to to the 7-Eleven. It crosses under 95 and goes out to the D through the canal. It is a terrible problem. Everything you're saying is dead on. Now, other than setting up
pumps there, I don't know what anybody in this whole organization is going to be able to do. Pumps would be helpful. We have a pump on our yard even. I understand. So, I mean, we have lakes. I could We could dig a lake. That would We've get
enough water. We could just have our own lake in our yard. Where would you dig a lake at? We have an acre of land and we could dig a lake. This is the first I heard of that. But in digging your lake, I I would assume we'd have to pump the water to the lake or would we have natural fall to the
lake? When it rains, it fills it up. And I'm not proposing that we don't really want to do that, but we we we thought about it. I don't want the gators and more water moccasins. Yes. All right. But we're we we've been suffering a long
time and Yeah. Everybody tells us they'll help us and then or they tell us it's not their problem. Well, I'm sure that they might tell you, and of course, I don't think my office has told you it's not our problem or your problem. It is a problem. Now, it's a major problem for
your street. I don't know how I don't know how we're going to solve it, but like I said, I'm trying now to set up a meeting. Tyler was in Tallahassee and the state of Florida needs to be on this meeting, too. Rock ledge. Now, if you know anything, no off, I ain't saying that. Anyway, we're trying to set up a
meeting. Well, I would be happy to help write letters, to do anything it takes to uh to send it to the state level, whatever. It uh I'd be more than happy to do the leg work because I know it takes manpower and it's going to have to be a joint
venture with everybody to try to try to help. I need everybody and and not this. Yeah, I I hear you. But please, but Florida, if you know anything about Florida, it's basically flat. water don't drain quickly and then you build a road three or four foot lower than Fisk
and we don't control Fisk because Fisk is state road. Okay. But we'll we'll try. Corenza, would you make sure you get the lady's name and number? Okay. Well, Mr. Goodson, thank you. No, Tom, please. But you you're going to at least this is the closest we've got to somebody's
saying they might help us. We have had meetings down there since I was in the state of Florida in the house about this problem on both sides of Fisk. You know, the people on the west side on Martin Road, they complain about it. But but of course, they bought houses or built
houses lower than the crown of the road. Well, there's also an additional problem. The Allure white wall, yes, has blocked all access for the water to go to the retention pond. That is right in front of Allure. So instead, their
water flows under the wall and into our yard. Right. And that's Rock ledge. Once you get to that white wall and step over, that's Rockidge. That's Rocklage. That's not city. It's not county rockage. You're doing the same thing. Right. Well, I want you to understand when we have this meeting, if anybody
impresses you, please denote them so I can shake their hand. Please do what? just single out that person that impresses you from Rock Ledge or from the state that we can I'll shake his hand because if they got the answers, this is a major problem. Now, Dad, you're you're familiar with this,
correct? Can you comment for the lady? Yes, sir. I know we've been working on getting the meeting set up with all the agencies that you mentioned. It's been an ongoing problem. And I believe that the key factor is ditch maintenance there, which would be south of that subdivision is what we I think
everybody's kind of identified as being a primary concern. And if I'm not mistaken, the last meeting we had about this, the state of Florida didn't want to even clean their ditch. Was that a fair statement? I believe that's true, sir. And the ditches are full of stuff and it then it overflows.
Oh, yeah. Okay. Right. All right. I My three minutes are up. I'm Thank you. Okay. Good luck. James Blossign. B L O C E I N. B L O U I N. Well, okay.
My hands shake, you know, old age. I got reading glasses, too, so uh it's not perfect. I live in West Melbourne and um I've taken part in uh several of the uh protests that we've had up in Coco, one in Palm Bay. Um on
both those events, the city of Coco, the city police department of Coco and also Palm Bay worked with the organizers and everything was good. But then, you know, you see all the uh around the country all the and around
Florida all the different sheriffs saying things and it was pretty much all level ke like that and uh then you got Ivy and he's said things before like this and done things and
I hear that uh his budget's coming up and uh it's funny that this man. His department is ranked number four in the most corruption in the state of Florida, any police force. Number four.
The other three are in South Florida, which is where I'm from. I've been up here two years. Uh, and enough on that. The uh speed, the traffic light timing. Y'all have it set up to where it's like
a small country town to keep speeding down. Well, you've grown to the point in this county that you need to change that timing to traffic flow because keeping a speed down timing creates traffic jams.
And yep, the timing up here and these lights is unbelievably bad. And then uh red light cameras. Y'all really need to get some running the red light cameras in this county. It's not against the
fifth. They've had them down in South Florida for years and it actually took about a year and a half, two years and people stopped running red lights. Some of the worst intersections in Dade County and Broward County stop being that because people stop running red
lights and uh you don't get any points on your license unless you keep doing it. But uh it's it's a dangerous thing. And then finally, the um speed limits
in every single town. You go three blocks here, it's one speed limit. You go two more blocks, it's another speed limit. The county has to take some initiative and regulate the cities that depending on the roadways, keep it all
the same. The city shouldn't have so much control over the speed limits going through their uh city. The county has to take some initiative and keep it all one speed, keep traffic flowing because some
of the old people in this county speed limit 40 45 and they're doing 25 or 30 and just blocking traffic all all day long and it's kind of ridiculous. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Okay, commissioners, that concludes the G section of um on the on the G. Oh, I'm I well, I have one for H1. I don't I didn't have a one on G.
Okay. Well, go ahead. Sandra Sullivan, South Patrick Shores. So, Oh, let me drop this off first. So, I want to talk about the comp plan and uh to this lady's point. There's two documents and that's 15
seconds. So, I want to talk about, you know, that lady is talking about flooding the other side of I95 around Fisk. We're just putting in a massive de development on the wetlands. So, you know, we're going to see a lot more flooding in in Bvard County because we're going to become
like Broward. They you can't fix South Florida because they filled in their wetlands. So when it rains, guess what? You know, they dump to the rivers and they just flood massively. We're doing the same thing in our comp plan. So the first thing I want to say is we need to safeguard insurance rates. We have an
insurance crisis. These comp plan changes are so bad. So I just want to say, you know, that that's flooding from the West Coast. Um our lives matter for evacuation. Um, so you're doubling and tripling, more than doubling and tripling density
on the barrier island, Merit Island from res 15 to res 50 with bonus density my area to 37.5 from res 15. Doubling density equals more people will die. Sad what's happening in Texas right now,
right? So we get surge nine to 13 plus feet of storm surge. no place to go if you can't get off the barrier island. How many people will die? This is from the Eastern Central Regional Planning Council document and they talk about the flooding issues pre-land landfall.
So in 2000 there was a study done and the state mandated I use that word mandated the county on their future land use to restrict density to res 15. Okay. But
counties and and and they even wrote a letter to DEEO at that time saying, you know, the county shows a commitment to cap or even reduce densities starting with South Beaches as recently as 200B plan cycle amendment. The county adopted
comprehensive plan amendments that capped the residential densities for the unincorporated areas in northern and southern barrier island at existing levels. So what are we doing? The county is rewriting history,
rewriting that the intent is those those right sizing studies to maximize density. Rewriting history. When I did a record, they said for that 2000B comp plan, oh no records found. So I sent it to them.
I alleged malfeasants right sizing reduced density to res 15 with only three properties to res 30. And yet you're massively increasing and I would like my 15 seconds. So Florida statute
says to protect human life. It's also in our comp plan. The key point is we're under 9 to 12 feet of storm surge. According to Eastern Central Regional Planning Council, we're 61 hours to
evacuate. and Bvard County staff is basically lying saying there's no evacuation issue. By state statute, we're supposed to have a uh a level of service evacuation standard, which is a
number to not exceed and that is another problem with the comp plan. Thank you. Boom. Got a question. Got a question for you. You commented about Fisk Boulevard and the big development south of 95 is going to cause huge flooding. Is that correct?
No. What I'm saying is what the county generally is doing. Forget that. You made a com You made a comment about you made a comment about that that specific to her. I'm saying about that problem. I'm not talking about her. Listen to listen to me. Yeah.
You made a comment that the the development south of 95 on Fist Boulevard or the apartments is going to cause flooding. I said west of I5 by fist. Do you even know how that water gets out of there? Do you even know that that what word gets? How's the water get out of that area?
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that when you fill in wetlands, what you're doing that water has to go somewhere. Guess what it does across Florida? It floods people's homes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Oh, I absolutely absolutely am. Just look at South Florida.
Okay. All right. All right, commissioners. We're going to move to H1. Kathy, you're recognized. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and commissioners. This is a request for the board to consider adopting an ordinance
rescending the economic development avalorum tax exemption for project Zeus, also known as comprehensive health services, and to consider the clawback of $50,43612 granted to the company in 2023
and 24 exemptions. As you know, each year we get the uh annual reports and based on the annual reports, we found that they're not meeting the requirements of their application. Right. Questions for Kathy?
Commissioner Delaney. Is that the total amount that we have given them in tax abatements? No ma'am, it's not. It's just for the uh 23 and 24 the other years they met the criteria. Okay. Thank you. Other questions for Kathy? Okay. We have
one card. Sandra Sullivan. Good evening, Sandra Sullivan. So, I'm I'm happy to see that I think it's nine years that we finally go Oh, by the way, they're not meeting their commitments. So, you you might remember
uh Commissioner Tobaya's presentation. I know some of you are newer, but you know, he did he did a presentation of of the how effective the EDC was and uh well that so we had 14 million in tax abatements.
We we have some fiscal crisises going on and 85% of those failed to deliver on jobs. 85%. All right. According to Tobaya and this is a tax break for big business with an average
company a number of employees at 36,738 net jobs created by all of them was minus44 jobs. And so the issue I have with the TDC tax abatement is annually we should
be going through all of them and annually we should be going if 85% of them failed 85 of them should not be getting the tax abatement. The other thing is in the ordinance itself it says these companies are
entitled to the tax abatement for 10 years. It doesn't say it gets renewed the next time, you know, the tax abatement gets renewed that they continue and get a forever tax abatement. But I'm looking at these companies and when they got the tax abments and it looks like you just like roll
them over and it's a forever tax abatement. It's supposed to be a 10-year tax abatement to encourage new companies to come here and invest or to expand their existing businesses here. It's not come to Bvard and get a free forever tax abatement. And we need to do something
about that because this county has a fiscal crisis and we need to address that. We need to bring in more revenue. Okay. Thank you. That's the end of the uh cards. Commissioners uh in discussion. Is there any discussion on the item? Is there a motion on the item?
Move to approve. Second. I I think Commissioner Delin. It's okay. Uh we have a motion by Commissioner Goodson. We have a second by Commissioner Delaney. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney, yes. Vice Chair Goodson, yes. Commissioner Atkinson,
yes. Commissioner Alman, yes. Chairman Felner, yes. We'll show that passes 5-0. Thank you. Uh, commissioners, let's take a five minute break. Can we do that? Come back 601. Thank you.
Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. ladies and gentlemen, if you'll take your seats, we'll get restarted. Yeah. See you, buddy. Hey, Susan. How you? Yeah. Oh, no. Congratulations.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, please, if you'll take your seats, we'll get restarted. Item. We're going to go to item H2, everyone. Thank you. Item H2. Mark, you're recognized. Thank you, uh, Commissioner. Um, board,
this is a petition to vacate a portion of two public utility and drainage easements east of Gryom Parkway, south of Curtis Boulevard in Coco. Uh, applicants are uh, Mr. Scoville and Miss uh Lynn Scoville. Um and uh there was no
objections. Okay. Commissioners, questions for Mark. Any questions? I don't think we have any cards. Is there a motion on the item? Move to approve. Commissioner Delaney. Motion to approve. Is there a second? Commissioner Atinson is seconds. Clerk
will call the role. Commissioner Delaney. Yes. Vice Chair Goodson. Yes. Commissioner Atkinson, yes. Commissioner Alman. Yes. Chairman Felner. Yes. We'll show that passes. 5-0. Thank you, commissioners. We will move on to
I1. All right, commissioners. I1 is authorization of a settlement agreement for the Bvard County Shore Protection Project. This is for the mid-reach uh segment renourishment. It's a specific easement BRP 174. Uh back before the
June break, we had an executive session to discuss litigation and settlement strategy on this. And this particular property, it's one of four that we're in imminent domain proceedings on. This particular property is one that um the
board gave me direction to finalize a settlement negotiation with the amounts indicated here. The local cost for settlement and acquisition of this easement to allow us to place the sand and for a perpetual public easement for access along that beach is approximately
26,000 which will come from the tourism beach fund. Um I do want to ask because Commissioner Alman is a trustee of the property involved. I just need him obviously he'll abstain from voting but Commissioner Alman if you could please
just briefly publicly state the nature of your interest in the matter which is really just as simple as you being trustee in the property involved. Yes. Um I will abstain from this uh but due to the fact that I am a trustee and part owner in this piece of property.
Thank you sir. and I will help you complete the um conflict disclosure form that we'll file with the clerk within 15 days of the meeting is required. Um and and that's it. This is all consistent with what was presented in the executive session. Again, this is required in order to get the easement necessary for
the United States Corps of Army Engineers to perform the project. Um if the board has any questions, I'm happy to try to answer those. All right. Do we have questions for Morris on the item? All right. is uh I don't we have any carts, right? No.
Okay. Is there a motion to approve? We have a motion by Commissioner Delaney. We have a second by Commissioner Atinson. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney? Yes. Vice Chair Goodson? Yes. Commissioner Atkinson? Yes. Chairman Felner?
No. We'll show that passes 31. Thank you, commissioners. We'll go on to item J1. Good evening, commissioners. J1 is
seeking direction for staff regarding disposal sites for muck that's being dredged from the Indian River Lagoon in districts 1, 2, and four. Uh to date, dewatered muck has been used as a nutrientrich organic amendment for
agricultural soils. However, local interest from suitable agricultural land owners um is is nearing full uh satiation. So, disposal options are needed for the Ogali causeway muck
removal project in district 4, the Sykes Creek phase 2 project in district 2, and the Mims rim ditch north of the Jones Road boat ramp project in district one. The best disposal options may differ from one uh project and county area to
the next. You have uh seven options in the agenda packet. Um of those seven options um two the first two really only apply to the southern part of the county. Um whereas the remaining five
apply countywide. Um, you have more detailed sort of pros and cons and risk considerations for all of those options in tables attached to the the packet. And if you have any questions.
Okay, questions for Virginia. All right, we have one card. Sandra Sullivan. Sandra Sullivan. Well, this is going to get a little bit entertaining tonight. we got mocked. So
that Alvin was senator at the time with Senate Bill 346 uh doing in in 2015 to try and change the law so that it was legal to create a muck tax so that it
would be legal under Florida statute 212.055. Guess what? That bill failed. It failed twice in appropriations. There was even a newspaper article about it as well. I'll give you a copy of the bill and when we're done here.
So, you have um your list of options here. It's real interesting to read. Um basic problem just to clarify is where we're putting the stuff that we dredge after we dewater it. That's what this is
about. The end result which is contaminated some places. But what's real interesting, what we're not talking about is where the DMAA location is. You know, BD52. So, for some of these projects like Ogalli, we're pumping at
four uh 8.1 miles. So, prior to this project, the Ogalli project in the Indian River Lagoon plan was eight 8 million something to to dredge that project. I have the numbers here. And that project increased to 54 million.
What you don't have on this list for that 100 acres is the $113 million project for O'galli South. Now I want to talk about in your options. This was really interesting because I've been posting about the controversies with the
Sarno lands. You know the land that was a controversy. Somebody made a profit of $6 million back in 2000. Well, there's another controversy because it looks like some staff member accidentally let the cat out of the bag. So that property which the county owns
on property appraisers and has not been disposed of although the county is trying to give it to this me city of Melbourne. H so it says on here on the form that's attached on this attachment on this agenda that this is owned by
Sheridan Lakes Development Corporation. Oh, how did that happen? I don't think so. Here you have an agenda item from the city of Melbourne Beach, I mean city of Melbourne saying that it is also the
city's understanding that the county has received interest from potential buyers for the Sarno parcel. So again, that muk judging project was $8.75 million and it's now 54 million if you don't
count like the shenanigans now that natural resource resources is doing to make the project twothirds less and take out interstial so you can add that stuff in later to hide what it's really costing. Anyway, the bottom line here is by by
giving away Sarno, it's costing the taxpayers $160 million and it's time to end this insanity with the with the MUK projects. It's just time to end it. So, here's
those documents. Okay. Thank you. Uh commissioners in discussion discussion on the item. So a couple a couple of things here. Uh we have an agreement uh that we can
enter into with St. John's um on a a area that is um in the Miko area that um we can take dredge material to.
So, um, that's a recent development and appreciate St. John's working with us on that. I think the other thing, uh, that we ought to consider tonight is to advertise, uh, a a request for proposals, um, to to see, um, what what is out
there from the community, um, for dredge material. Commissioner Atinson, um, I have a kind of a procedure question. Are we going to look at these things as three individual South Central? Okay. Well, we can we can take separate motions on the items if that's
if that's what you're that is what I'm asking. Okay. Okay. The other comment I just wanted to make is I am not crazy about the idea of us using um parks that people frequent or EES land or our airports. Um just as a
thought. Okay. Any other comments in discussion? Sorry, Commissioner Goodson. Yeah. Go ahead. Virginia, how much muck would be coming out of the left to come out of the
Pineita Causeway Grand Canal? 67 on 67,300 cubic yards. Okay. So, if there's,400 cubic yards to per acre per foot, the uh Sarno could
could handle it very easily on 50 acres. Correct? Yes. Okay. Now, is it true that if it was placed there, would you have to mix it in the existing soil or just spread it over the 50 acres? So, first of all, I believe part of that
SARNO site has been set aside for debris um purposes. Um, so to answer your question, if we could till maybe a foot or so in, right? If it's going to be
deeper than that, I'm I'm not sure how we could till in and still maintain soil quality for it would depend on what purpose you're trying to use the site. Well, I guess right now we use it to grow grass, right? And then then the medieval show is there so you wouldn't
have to take off 50 acres. So you could place it there. U would that be a good spot? I believe the site could work. We would have to get a conditional use permit from the city of Melbourne. Mhm.
Um the water management district is is offering their site which is already you know developed and and permitted and ready ready to go more or less. Now is it true that I understand that solid the dump doesn't want solid waste
doesn't want it because water sheets off of it but water won't flow through it. Correct. Right. The material is hydrophobic so it repels water. Well, if that's the case, why wouldn't they use it to build their leech aid system out at the new Let's ask Tom that question, sir.
Um, with due respect, let's ask We got Tom here tonight. He was ready to answer some of these questions. Okay. And Okay, Tom, the question is, if water won't run through it, but water runs off of it, why would you not use it out on
192 to build your leech banks that you have to buy clay for? um commissioners because it is not uh at the moment it's not an approved uh material to be used as a as a leech barrier. Who approves that? That would be the Department of Environmental Protection and the uh US
Environmental Protection Agency. So that would take 10, 15, 20 years. It would take a while to have that change. Government at its best. Right now, why wouldn't you take some out to your dump, mix it in place? Because you're buying dirt now, if I'm not mistaken, $24 a
yard from SNL, right? Correct. Why wouldn't you mix it? And then would it be better if it was mixed? It might be better. We have tried this in the past with the uh previous Ogali River dredge material. Okay. And it created lenses because of it
being hydrophobic and you end up having to use a lot more dirt than the than that soil. So it it becomes a point where you're spending just as much money in the effort as you would if you just bought dirt. Of course, I never thought I'd live long enough to see hydrophobic dirt. That
that's impressive. I mean, that's some bad dirt. All right, I don't have any more questions. Commissioner Atinson for follow-up question. Um follow-up question with regard to the um St. John's, the first one that we
were discussing. My understanding from the chart that you made for us is that like Commissioner Felner said, it's already we already have an a letter of intent to be able to use it. We've already been permitted. FPL is allowing us easement or we think they're going to
the we've applied for the FPL easement. It's a 45 to 60day review process, so we don't we don't know yet. Okay. Um and just the water management district folks are here if you have questions for them. We also have um the
um the consultants for the dredge projects as well as the contractor. One other question if I may. Yes. Um is this one of the least cost effective of our options? Uh least costly cost most cost effective. Yeah.
Yes. Okay. a follow-up question or other discussion on the item. Let's do let's do this in a couple pieces. How about on the first option to approve memorandum of agreement with St. John's? Is there is there a motion on that item?
I make a motion. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Atinson. We have a second by Commissioner Goodson. Clerk will call the role. Commissioner Delaney? Yes. Vice Chair Goodson? Yes. Commissioner Atkinson? Yes, Commissioner
Alman. Yes, Chairman Felner. Yes. I guess we must understand there's a delay with uh with that. Okay. All right. Uh very good. We we approved that item. Um
these these other items uh I think potent potentially just to see what's out there. advertiser request per for um proposal to see what other um possibilities for um dredging material. And by the way, it's something since
Tom's in the in the box over there. Um there would have to be some site preparation at Sarno. It's not as as easy as just pulling up tomorrow and start. Um so sir, could you give us just um a couple minutes of the the challenges uh to using that?
Um the there would have to be different storm water control on that which would require storm water permitting through the Department of Environmental Protection. Um BMS would need to be put up to make sure that any material that leeches out of the the dredge material
would would stay on site. Um again, as Virginia had mentioned, we would need a conditional use permit from the city of Melbourne to have their cooperation in this. And I think one other uh issue that might be a potentially
a a barrier would be the the traffic issues that have been pointed out with the Renaissance Fair on New York Avenue and the intersection of Wickcham and New York Avenue. With the amount of trucks that would be trying to get in and out of that, I don't think it would be conducive to to that being very efficient. There would also need to be
some kind of fund transfer in the form of a lease or other arrangement because of the way that that property was purchased with rateayer funds. There would have to be an inter department. We had a discussion on that today that there has to be some consideration for
utilities. So um you know one of I think one of the things if we sell that parcel and when and we'll just use round numbers say say uh that utilities was able to receive 6 million from someone who buys it and uh cost of disposing of
material let's say in a pit or something like that is is a million dollars as as far as the taxpayers money overall we're on the we're on the better side of that. Um and um and then Sorrel would have to
pay less potentially um in the disposal than maybe what the kind of consideration that we would have to give to utilities. Is that is that fair? That's fair. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Question sir. Go ahead for a question. Question. Can you either one of you tell
me is there a good purpose for this material? Can it be used with anything or at anywhere? So, it has been used successfully as a soil amendment when a small amount is blended in with significant native
soils. And where can it be placed in the county if everything was perfect? Um, if the board determines there to be a public interest, then it can go on
vacant land stacked up to six feet tall. uh in compliance with the county code. Now, I'm asking you, can you use it anywhere in the county in construction? That's what I'm asking. In its current state, not that I am
aware of. If you blended it with a lot of other suitable material, you could slowly use it. But like Tom described for the landfill, you know, by the time you do all of that mixing and blending and buying more sand, you know, that may
cost more than disposing of it some other. Okay. And in construction, you'd have to stabilize soil, you know, either lime rock or marl. So is that what you're saying? You can use it as a stabilizer mixed mixed with other soil. It could be
used as regular fill, but again, you you'd have more of the the native soil than you would of of the muck itself. And it really would not fit as as what you would call structural fill, something that you would want to build over. Okay. I um I thought that you couldn't
use it in residential, but you could use it in industrial. Is there any truth to that statement? Based on the constituents, that's true. Okay. So you could uh you could purchase it, but why at $25 a yard for field dirt
coming out of Orange County, why would we not want to stockpile that and sell it to the public? You don't think there'd be a Now granted, there's 67,000 yards and there's 300,000 yards coming. I don't know if you could sell all of it, but u you know, of course,
contractors mix stuff all the time. So, because it's state lands, we're actually dredging it out of state waters. It's state land. We can't sell it. So, uh, an enduser could mix it, blend
it, turn it into some product that they could then get their costs out of, but they can't sell the state land. Is the contractor who's doing your dredging allowed to sell it? No. They can allow others to have it and
they can recover the cost to get it to them, but they can't obtain value for the material itself. Right. Sure seems like a lot of issues, isn't it? There's there's a lot of rules. Yes. Um Okay. Thank you, Chair.
I make a comment real quick and then Commissioner Atinson and Commissioner Delaney. Um I I've spent some time calling engineers, construction companies, um builders and and you know all sorts of of different people who are
experts in uh using different materials and trying to find because I'm like you. I think that there's got to be a use for it. But as it's described to me, uh, you know, an engineer told me, you know, if you looked at sand under a microscope,
it would look like a little cube. But if you look at this, um, and maybe maybe natural resources said this once before, too, it it would look like little balls. And so it's it's it's hard to use that in any kind of um building material. But there are other smart people out in the
world who are um looking at this issue too. Commissioner Atinson. So staff's asking for us to give them some direction and um I don't like the idea of buying land for us to throw this muck on it that we are just going to never be able to use again. Um I did
speak to the sheriff because I know that he's got some property um that's already contaminated as I understand it. Is that correct Virginia? Yes. and um he was amendable to the idea of talking to county about using some of
his land um maybe to fix this to take some of it. So perhaps we could have a fuller conversation with him about that because I think his properties are big enough. Is that correct, Virginia? They would the three that you have listed?
Yeah, the the it is one of those three that was the former state prison site that has contamination issues. Um the contamination isn't on that entire site, but there are several areas of it that are contaminated. So, we would need to
to work with the sheriff to determine, you know, what his plans were for that site. Seemed like he was interested in having a conversation. So, that would be good. Okay. Commissioner Delaney. Um if I could just comment off of that,
I would have some concern over that because surrounding the jail there's a lot of density um a lot of lower socioeconomic um homes around that property and I just don't feel right about putting a whole
bunch of contaminated soil there. Um, and so I just wanted to say that. Um, but my question about the RFPs, um, if we were to put out an RFP
and nobody bid, would it come back to the commission for us to make a different decision or Yes. Okay. Um, I think that that's where I'm personally leaning for uh for the Northern Project.
Um, I don't love the idea of putting this on any kind of usable land, but unfortunately it, you know, we have to do something with it and piling it 6 ft high is not not ideal. I I think I think what we would probably
I I think the reality that we expect from the community um who would s submit a proposal to us is uh filling in a pit. I mean, we have we have pits all all over and we're not I mean, we're not the only ones. I mean, throughout Florida
and um that kind of solves the problem of because I'm with you. Um land that's usable for for something that seems like a a waste. So, um Commissioner, if you if you make that motion, I'll go with you on um number five. So, to advertise. Sure. Is that is that good?
Yes. And I if I could, I just want to say one more thing. Um, it's not completely pertaining to this, but I just feel like this is this needs to grow into a bigger conversation because the muck from testing is a lot of it is
from the sewage plants. I really think that we need to stop the source of the contamination and really find some solutions in that. be it have, you know, adjusting the the sorrel tax to focus more on infrastructure or whatever it
may be, however we come up with that. Um, but we can't keep doing this forever. Um, but with that said, I'd like to make a motion to um advertise an RFP to find um an owner who would allow
disposal on their land for the Northern Project. Um, okay. Hold on with your with your motion. I think we have a couple questions here and I will I will say to you we're going to have a larger discussion uh a little later. It's it's it's ahead of us on um on the future of
of that. So you're not alone. Okay. Commissioner Atinson and then Commissioner Goodson. Okay. Question and comment. Are we talking does this motion cover the central and the north? Just Well, I think we're going to see overall what that is as far as I think on next
item. Um if that's what you're talking about. talk about the next item we're talking about. We have the the central project which is Sykes Creek and one of the options there is to go out for an RFP and also the northern project also has an option to go out for RFP. So I'm just wondering if they're
separate or together. I I think we would we'd look for both of those, right? And then also we have a possibility um with a with another property in the north end of the county. Is that right, Virginia? For for the material up there? No. uh
county own I think another pit possibly that the school board even owned. We were right. There's a school board pit that we've been exploring that could take a portion of the material but not all of the material. So we still need a board direction. I can amend my um my motion to include
the central uh project as well. So you were just talking about the north initial. Yes. So then I guess my comment on that would be if we if we if that was your motion, could we also in that motion say discuss the idea with the sheriff of the
possibility of using his land? We can put that in the motion, but I I think we're going to continue um that path. But okay, Commissioner Dwayne, you want to amend your your motion? I'll amend to add the central project. Okay. All right. And we'll continue to
to see what else is out there. Okay. All right. I'm sorry, Commissioner Goodson. Yes, sir. Virginia, can you tell me on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the worst, one being the least, what contamination is this material?
The the only thing in the the projects that are coming up, the only constituent of concern is arsenic. The arsenic levels are above the residential threshold, but they're below the requirements for agriculture,
commercial, and industrial. So, it really depends on the future land use and intended use of the the land whether it's a problem or not. So, it's it's would it would it be a three out of 1 to 10? Sure. Sure. I like that. Thank you. So, it's
not you're not going to die by handling it, right? Correct. All right. Thank you. now. Okay. The issue is is that there's a lot of people out there with wells and so it could contaminate their wells. Okay. Commissioner Delaney made a
Commissioner Delaney made a motion. Uh is there a second on the motion to advertise um to to see for uh what proposals would be out there? Can we clarify the motion? I I think she did uh to include central,
right? and and discussion with the sheriff. And discussion with the sheriff. I I didn't want to add the discussion with the sheriff at this point. Um I feel like if if we could go out to the RFP first, um you know,
if that doesn't work, then we can when it comes back. But I just don't feel comfortable that being my district. I don't feel comfortable at this point. I'll put this I'll split that with you myself. Okay. So, your motion to include um include those areas including the
central and we'll we'll talk to the to sheriff separate after after the RFP process. Awesome. Is that is that fair? Okay. Okay. Motion by uh Commissioner Delaney. I'll second that. Clerk will call the role.
Commissioner Delaney? Yes. Vice Chair Goodson? Yes. Commissioner Atkinson? Yes. Commissioner Alman. Yes. Chairman Felner. Yes. We'll show that passes 5-0. Thank you, commissioners.
Um we will go on to J2. Thank you. Okay. J2 is um direction on muck removal from the Grand Canal. The Grand Canal project was
contracted based on volume estimates that were conducted from surveys six plus years ago and more mock has been removed from the canal so far than was included in those original
estimates. Uh there are a number of reasons for that. Hundreds of homeowners have signed waiverss that allow dredging to reach closer to their docks and seaw walls than was assumed in the original estimates. The permit were revised to
allow adding the Berkeley canal and allow us to go a little bit deeper to get to the bottom of the muck instead of leaving six inches of muck behind in the canals um and uh additional new muck accumulation over the intervening years.
So because of that, the contractor is um completing the contracted volume of muck removal before completing muck removal from the entire Grand Canal area. There
are three areas remaining to be dredged, the Lake Shepard area and the southern two entrance channels. And so what you have in your packet are three different options to either uh award a
change order to continue with the current process to complete those three areas. Uh completing dredging by November 30th of this year and then completing site restoration of that Pineita dredge material management area
by February 28th of this year. Another option is the pipeline option which would be to stop using the Pineita DMMA um in a couple weeks as soon as the contractor is completed with the Berke Berkeley canal uh take the remaining
material in Lake Shepard and the two entrance channels um all the way to the BV52 site in Palm Bay. Um or there's a hybrid option which is to complete Lake Shepard. uh this year by October 30th
using the Pineita DMMA and then come back um years from now with the pipeline to Palm Bay to complete the entrance channels. Okay, commissioners questions for Virginia.
Okay, we'll go to the cards. Caria Vaughn. Caria Vaughn. Okay. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Carla Vaughn, and thank you for having me here to speak. Um, I have been in the
local area since I was born. I've lived off of uh Lake Shepard and the Grand Canal all of my life and I've really seen an absolute decline in the water, the birds that come.
We used it for swimming as a child, watching the wildlife, going fishing. I don't see that anymore. You can't go in the water. It's muck. It looks like chocolate milk. I used to be able to see 10 feet into
the water and be able to look at the fish and the stingrays and the sheep's head when I would go fishing. I can't do that anymore with my kids. Four generations. My grandparents bought the house 62 years ago. They have since passed
and my parents are now there. My kids have grown up there, but I could not take grandkids into the canal. It's chocolate milk. There's nothing lives there anymore. We could see manatees would come up to the dock and bring their calves. They don't brew that
anymore. You might see one old one out there scarred up. But what we have now is we don't see the migratory birds. We don't see the purple martins. We don't see the ospreys fishing. When you go and you look at the boats and you see the ospreys and you hear them crying in the
morning, they're not there anymore because the fish is not there. We don't see the mullet. We would have great masses of mullet coming by and you see the sheep's head. It'd be beautiful. We did the oyster um we put oyster nets out
there, oyster bags out there and we pull those up and we take the data from the oysters and that data showed us that the oysters didn't do quite as well in a lake. But what did well was we would
find um all kinds of fish and crabs and uh seahorse. We found one little seahorse one year. It's not there anymore. It's all just chocolate milk water. And we believe that is because of the muck and also climate change and
other things. But the muck is poisonous. How can an animal live where there should be seaggrass? It is a natural springfed area. We are imploring you to continue the dredging into the Grand Canal and into Lake Shepard. And Berkeley is so important for our
manatees. We want our kids and our grandkids to see the beauty of nature. It's going goodbye. So, please help and continue this process. Thank you for all of your uh time and listening to me. Thank you, Troy Barnett.
Good evening. My name is Patricia Barnett and I live back just a little closer to you. Oh, sure. Okay, that's good. And I live on Lake Shepard. Uh, and like Carly Carlina um for years. My parents
bought there in 1983. I was in my 20s and and lived on that lake uh more on the lake than in their house, but uh have been exposed to that lake. Um then I moved there permanently
in uh 2005 and what a difference coming back uh after being away for a while. the changes that I saw. And I thought the best thing for me to do is to liken it to something that
everybody can relate to, which is almost like when you get a bad diagnosis that somebody that you love is sick. And even though the intensity is not the same, the emotions are kind of the same
as you watch that illness progress, if you will. And the steps are basically you get the diagnosis. Um you get a course of treatment from the doctor and you follow that course of treatment. Well, that course of
treatment is to dredge Lake Shepard along with the rest that has already been done. And that's what I'm that's what I'm asking for is if this was somebody that you loved, would you wait until the last bit that needs to be done
and stop? Would you would you stop your chemo treatments on the last one? No, you would push through. You wouldn't say, "Oh, this has been hard and I'm not going to do it anymore." We know it's hard and we know it's inconvenient and we know that it smells and we know that
it's loud, but we're asking to see if we can get the life back in that lake. So, thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Brad Evers, I'm not sure the protocols. Am I allowed to give you copies? Sure.
These are the low frequency sonar scans that were shown to us ago to pitch this whole idea from start. Um, you should have them in your archives anyway, but in case you weren't on the board then. Um,
so again, my name is Brad Rivers. I'm here on behalf of the users of the lake and the the whole waterfront community. Um, I grew up in St. Augustine. I came down here to Florida Tech and was fortunate enough to buy a waterfront home um about 10 years ago just in time for the big fish kill when all this
discussion came up. Um as I as I said, I attended that Shector Town Hall Center where I asked for a copy of these charts because I'm an engineer and I found them interesting. Um it kind of shows the depth the cross-section in the canal as well as Lake Shepard as well as Sleepy Lagoon where the hard bottom return is
as well as the the soft bottom or the top of the muck. You can see in those cross-sections where, you know, like the canal I live on only had like a foot of muck and then a lot of others based on their width and depth, you know, muck flows downhill. So the deeper the stuff is evidently, you know, the more it
collects. Um, so I was initially skeptical of the whole project and curious if it would even, you know, mean a hill of beans. And they came through my canal last year. And since then, in the past 10 years, um, you know, I've seen water quality fluctuate. there's sometimes it's clear when it's cold and
all the stuff dies off and then the summer and the rains come like last week I guarantee you like we'll have algae and pollution you know within the few weeks. Um so I was skeptical but they came through last year and I did like for the first time in years I've got fullsized oysters growing on my dock and my pilings and in fact like just a few
weeks ago I started seeing soft corals like soft sponges that you would see like maybe in the keys or something not algae but actual like legit growth. So it's kind of turned me swayed me to to believe that it's working. Um I voted for the tax in hopes of you know last
dish last dish resort. Um so basically these charts show that based on the canals and you know there's lots of muck and if you just look at the overall picture a Berkeley wasn't in the initial soundings. Maybe that was because of timing with the manatees. Um but Lake Shepard definitely was and you can see
that um in some of those and for you in the audience um Lake Shepard's up to three stories deep in certain spots and you can see in those cross-sections that the muck is up to 10 ft deep in those holes and across the entire lake it's about average of six feet deep the entire area left to right north to you
know front to back. Whereas my canal is just you know a lot of these canals are just deep right in the middle. to postpone or potentially wait and ship the Lake Shepherd muck elsewhere by the time the infrastructure gets set up to go south. I guess I'm here um just to advocate for finishing the project as
originally sold to us that you know let's get it to the DMA site, shut that thing down and then figure out the infrastructure for the whole next phases you know just to stay on track. And I know it's volume volutric estimates, but in my mind, like this black line says
what we paid to have you guys do. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Lisa Lantrip. Did I say that right? Hi. Hi. Good evening. Thank you for having me. Um, my name is Lisa Lantrip. I'm a local resident and a real estate
professional here in the area on behalf of Remax. I live and work in the community. And the issue that is currently at hand is the urgent need for Lake Shepard to be demucked. It was once a beautiful and active part
of our community and now it's an eyesore. It's clogged with muck, algae, debris. It's a health and safety concern. It's attracting mosquitoes, emitting odor, and discouraging both recreation and investment. From a real
estate perspective, the condition of Lake Shepard, it impacts everyone. Homes near the water should carry a premium value, but right now they are appraising lower. they are taking longer to sell and they're turning buyers away. And it's not because the homes aren't
desirable. It's because the lake that these homes are looking at is completely being neglected. And to put it in perspective, I currently have a property under contract that is on Lake Shepard. It's a three-bedroom, twob, twocar
garage block home, beach side. That's creme de la creme. And that property is selling for $500,000. That's with the lake in its current state. The land alone is worth that. There was a lot just on the other side
of the lake that sold 6 months ago. The land alone sold for $525,000. Why this house is selling for $500,000 is drastic. Like I said, the land alone is worth worth that cost. Um, so it's, you know,
the numbers alone, it shows the incredible potential that this specific area has right here in Satellite Lake Shepard. So, it's not just about the money. It's about all the people. It's about taking pride in where we live. I personally have a young son and I would
love to see him go play in the water. Now, he says, "Mommy, can we fish?" And I say, "Yeah, just in, out, let's go." if he catches a fish at all. So, I think it's, you know, it's an area where our kids deserve to be running, laughing, playing near a clean, safe,
and beautiful lake the way they used to. So, tonight I'm asking the commission to prioritize the funding and support for the demoking of Lake Shepard. And it's not just about luxury. It is about the responsibility and restoring a shared place that once was a place of joy. So,
thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Sanders Sandra Sullivan, Sandra Sullivan, South Patrick Shores. So, as was mentioned by the previous speaker, um I support finishing the project of Lake Shepard and that there's
only a little bit left. And this would be done by the end of the year. So um there is a a grant called LPA0475 that is for 150,000 additional cubic
yards of muck and we this was discussed with the community last year in the meeting that there was additional muck found and so uh they the county applied for grant. They got $9 million to address this additional muck. The issue
is kind of misleading here because it's being misled like, "Oh, where do we do the DMAA site?" No, we have a DMAA site for this project now and you signed a TUA last year to extend the use of the site for that additional muck. So that this is all handled. The issue is where
you're putting the dewatered muck, the people who are in the permits to receive it keep deciding they don't want it anymore. So there's a legacy of contamination and but you have you have property you have lands like Sarno you
have other sites and to that point that site was previously used for demucking dewatering so it's had permits it's not an issue you had perms that was used in 2017 through 2019. You do have land that you could put the
de the dewatered muck. Now what's what's the issues there? We know we have ar ours neck up to more than two times the commercial cleanup target. We have petroleum. We have copper over exceedences and we have POS and POS is
really the big issue because in 1991 the base put in a newspaper article in Florida today. It was the most contaminated site. Now I go to all the RAB board meetings. They did POS testing in 2014 in December. And so I alleged that the
whole MUK tax that it was called in at in the early 2015 was to address the federal contamination interests and put that burden on we the people. Um
one of the concerns is using that DMAA site. The issue I have most concern is that ensure that the Panita DMAA that the county keeps the promise that is only used for the Grand Canal project for South Patrick Shores because that was a commitment made by the county. My
concern is when the muck tax was created that in there was to dredge the the the base and the county has been testing and moving forward towards that. We don't want that. And then there's the issues with just real quick on the papers I
gave you um that Satellite Beach is saying that if we had have to pump the muck all the way down to BV52, we can't afford to do the projects. And there's enough evidence here to suggest that the concern is that the county intends to
use that Panita site for other projects and we don't want that. Thank you, Vicky Carter. Good evening. My name is Vicky Carter. I live on Lake Shepard in Satellite Beach.
When I turned 50, the age of wisdom. I signed up for an Iron Man triathlon. Although I was conf confident of the 112 mile bike and the 26 mile run, I had never before done a consecutive 2.4 4 mile swim.
But for that, I had a couple of options right in my backyard. I I could do 418 laps of a 30-foot pool or about three laps around the lake. So, the lake seemed like the logical option to me.
Turns out it was very nearly the lethal option. I dove in. I came up. I swam two strokes and I suddenly realized something was very wrong. Breaking the surface of the water had
released a cloud of noxious gas. Little did I know that on day one, it was day one of an upwelling event when a change in temperature forces a swap of the surface water for water from the bottom. A bottom full of muck.
Decomposed organic matter. muck releases hydrogen sulfide, lethal in high concentrations. And with no choice but to breathe right at the surface, I was getting all hydrogen sulfide and zero oxygen.
And I don't care how fit you are. Try swimming even just 10 yards without oxygen. Your life will pass before your eyes. Mine did. Anyway, I made it back. I'm here and I
can tell you muck is no joke. It kills seaggrass. It starves manatees, dolphins and birds. It kills fish and it very nearly killed me. Please vote to continue monk removal.
Please vote to include Lake Shepard and please vote to do it sooner than later. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Craig Wallace. Craig Wallace, Satellite Beach. Uh, thank you, chairman, commissioners, and staff. Um, going to make it real brief.
I think what you just heard kind of Sorry, I a little choked up with that one, but I think that says it all, doesn't it? I mean, so you know, the I'm chairman of the broader lagoon coalition, and one of our things we do is go out and talk with people. We're out all the time. Matter of fact, I was
at the zoo this weekend at Science Sundays. We saw over 500 people came through there. So, I was just kind of asking people, "What do you think?" I'm not a I'm not a surveyor, but I I said, "What do you think? What do you So, their biggest thing is they want to know
that the lagoon is being cleaned up the most efficient way we can and use our tax dollars as the most efficiently as we can. And so I said, well, I think we're doing that and I think your the staff of the county is is doing that. They're using scientific methods. I
think you all know that. Uh, but it's the emotional thing, the things you heard tonight that I don't think you've heard that before, but I heard a lot of that. People really have, you know, fishermanmen, people out there in the lagoon a lot. Those are the tales they tell. So, please listen to those. And
from a tortoise island perspective, yes, some live in Tortoise Island. And it would be nice to get the the inland outlet canals done, but there's very little muck in those. We would like to have that done because that's our main navigation to get in and out of the Grand Canal. So, if you can do that, great. If you can't, but it is important
to get this done quickly and identify a date when it's going to be done that we're going to stick with. Thank you. Thank you, James Glass. Good evening. This is the first time I've spoke before this commission. So, a little bit about my background. I'm a
civil engineer having worked in the Tampa Bay area 25 years working on uh cleaning up Tampa Bay. I managed the water quality management plan for the two for the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council and that led to the decisions
that they reached in Tampa Bay to clean up the bay by removing uh su sewage effluent from Tampa Bay. Now, I just wanted to highlight on the basis of my experience
some recommendations that I have regarding the cleanup of the lagoon. First of all, we're we're spending money on projects to restore the lagoon, not to dredge canals just because people
think the canals need to be dredged. So, here's my recommendations. After 9 years, a sororal plan has failed to make failed to make a priority of removing human waste from the lagoon. Instead, muck removal is the priority. You're spending more money on muck than
anything else. Funding projects such as planting oysters, mangrove, seaggrass, restoring shorelines, tossing clams in the lagoon, and harvesting aquatic vegetation before eliminating human waste is wasteful. It's wrong. These projects
should be delayed until the loom water quality has been restored. That's what we did in Tampa Bay. Didn't plant any seaggrass till the water quality was was cured. The county is facing a huge financial burden
to meet the state mandate to upgrade and connect all 60,000 septic tanks, either upgrade them or connect them to a sewage plant by the year 2030. Yet the Soral plan is funding dredging muck. For instance, the plan is funding dredging
muck from the Sunnyland subdivision of the South Beach area. The 200 or so homes on septic tanks deposit an average of 250 gallons a day of human waste into those canals. The human waste is not the the human
waste is the root cause of the muck. Fixing the septic tanks problem should be the priority to get rid of the root cause which causes muck. To my knowledge with so much dredging muck in the Grand Canal and the tributary canals, I have
yet to see any evidence and I've asked the staff to show me this that the water quality in the Banana River outside the the the uh Tortoise Isle area has been improved. I've asked that twice. I have yet to get an answer.
Yet, we had staff people report to the commission that after you removed septic tanks and you cleaned up sewage problems, the water equality was restored. So I would like to leave this with you and also I'm going to leave
with you a uh letter that we did in 2020 to the commission about uh the same problem and this led to the commission at that time taking $100 million out of the muck fund
and spending it on sewage problems. I'll be glad to answer any questions if you have. We have another card, sir. So, we're gonna go to another two cards. We're going to go to that. Thank you. Okay. We have another couple of cards. So, we're gonna we're going to go to the cards. Okay.
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, sir. Oh, okay. Give that to the clerk. Um, Amir Pishab, sir. Commander Hello commissioners. My name is Amamir
Pishad. I'm the president of the Florida Fly Fishing Association and we're concerned about the water quality. I can understand the residents that live in the Grand Canal and and the other water estuaries that are concerned about the muck. It is definitely a problem. As a
professional diver and myself, I have seen muck. It is mucky down there. But at hand is this these funds that were taken in the tax dollars that were from Sorro that were designed to deal with
the Indian River Lagoon problem by solving the problem of of identified 60,000 polluters from septic systems. And as of this afternoon, my understanding is from
the from the uh from this offices here that only about 8,000 have actually been resolved in the Grand Canal. And I I I understand all the people that live there, but in the Grand Canal,
every home except for a few of the commercial establishments are now being held being uh uh their sewage is being taken care of by city pipes. So, they're no longer having septic systems that are causing the problem.
So, the muck that's there is not actually contributing to additional pollution. It's there already and I don't know by if you take it out of there how much that's going to cause more problems but if we're not spending the money that we've identified to by
soro that we have to do by 20 30 which is four and a half more years what are the ramifications to this county to the state by fines or whatever may have that they want to charge us more for not
doing what was intended for the plan so I'm saying The plan needs to be reviewed. The muck does need to be removed, but we got to look at it a responsible manner. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Steve Diaz, how you doing? Uh my name is Steve Diaz. I live uh directly behind the DMMA site about 225 ft. So, I have been uh my family breathing in the hydrophobic polluted dust, the black dust every
single day. Um I would like though for the canal to finish in Lake Shepard and the uh South Channel. I think it's fair. Yeah, I think that it's gotten this far. I think let's just try to wrap it up before this manatee season and like uh Commissioner Delaney said, let's find
out what's causing this and let's address that because the muck's just going to keep coming if we don't address the problem. So that's my comments. Steve, I'm I'm very empathetic to your situation, as you know, and we've talked many times about this. Yeah. In my mind, we got two real options
tonight. We have an option that just continues the path we're on and finishes up at the end of September or I'm sorry, February, excuse me. And then we have another option um that means that they they've got to come back sometime in the
future to do the entrance way. And that ends uh that's at the end of January. Um you know, I hate to put you on the spot, but uh can we can we agree to to finish the the Pineita, get um get Lake Shepard
and be done at the end of February? I can't speak for everybody else. I can just I'm asking you and I know it's hard. Um but I I I'm again very empathetic, but I feel like we're right at the finish line. I think you do. you do too. And um
so a little longer commitment date. I mean, you know, we change orders, no more because I know there's been an extension of that permit up to 2032 that I saw that went through from D. So my concern is, you know, ending having a hard end date,
getting that land that's zone PUD as conservation back to what it is supposed to be. um maybe get that in the deed uh language as well so this never happens again and have it put back to its natural state. Um and like I said before gets let's address the uh the cause of
this problem that's ahead of us I promise you but but tonight and and you know commissioners just uh so that we all understand we're we have this issue tonight because I was presented with a change order and I said no I think we need to discuss this as a board. So that
that's why that's why we're here tonight. we're making this decision together. Uh I've talked to the residents uh a lot over the the summer and uh so I'm leaning towards the Pineita option which finish this this up. It's the most efficient and
straightforward and we get out of there um the end of February and you and I are going to go out there and plant a sea grape together in in March. Okay, you got it. All right, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you. Commissioners, we're done with the
cards. I think I said my my piece on that, if you will, um, with Mr. Diaz. Is there is there discussion from the board? Is there commissioner? I just want to say that I think we promised that something needed to be done and it needs to be done. I don't
want to risk losing any grant money. Um, I hate losing free money. So, if it's appropriate, I'd like to make a motion that we go ahead with the Pineita option. I'll second that. Okay. Very good. So, we have a motion by Commissioner Atinson. We have a second by Commissioner Delaney. Clerk will call
the role. Commissioner Delaney? Yes. Vice Chair Goodson? Yes. Commissioner Atinson? Yes. Commissioner Alman? Yes. Chairman Felton? Yes. We'll show that passes 5-0. Steve,
thanks everyone. Thank you. Tonight, do you mind if I just say one thing? Ma'am, do you mind if I just say one thing? Go ahead. I just want to say um it seriously warms my heart to see a full room in here and all the engagement. I mean, it it's just
incredible. And I I just thank you all so much for being so engaged, coming up here, having really thoughtful things to say, and I it just I'm gold star to all the citizens. Thank you everyone for your
understanding. Also, I know I know that uh there's consequences to these things and you've been enduring a lot over the last few years, but I feel like we're we're at the finish line and we want to get it we want to get it done. With that, let's do this. Commissioners, let's take a 5minute break. We'll come
back at 7:10 and we'll be on J3. Thank you. Thank you. Heat. Heat. Commissioners J3. I have the cards. You have the cards? I do. I think I have the cards. Okay.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, if you'll take your seats, we're going to go on to item J3. Thank Okay, thank you. Item J3. Um, sorry,
Commissioner Delaney, this is your item. Thank you. Um, this item seeks the board's approval of legislative intent and permission to advertise proposed amendments to Bvoulevard County's um,
zoning regulations related to farm farm animals and fowl um, specifically chickens. Currently, the code restricts most non-aggricultural properties to only one chicken. And um I know we have a lot of things to worry about, but this
is important to people. Um currently the code uh sorry about that. Due to public complaints, particularly that chickens are flock animals and suppliers typically do not sell them individually. The board is asked to consider updates
that would allow up to six chickens on certain residential properties with appropriate conditions. If approved, staff will draft an ordinance to amend chapter 62 of the code to reflect these changes and bring the county more in
line with practices in other jurisdictions. There is no fiscal impact associated with this request. And the reason why I picked um six was because I just felt like um for anybody who has chickens and knows like laying cycles
and things like that, I figured a family of four, if you're trying to feed your family with some chickens, you know, two is not enough. Four is not enough. Um so I thought that six was a fair compromise. Um, and the other thing
I felt like if we're allowed to have five dogs in a house, six chickens are, you know, quite a lot less of a nuisance than five dogs. And I'm a dog person. I love dogs, but um I would I would uh love any questions and um board support
for this. Okay, questions for Commissioner Delaney. I've got two cards. Uh, Jennifer Harris. Hello. How are you doing? My name is Jennifer Harris and I live in northern
Bvard County. Uh I live on 39 acres in rural um incorporated Bvard County. Um Titusville city limits, I don't know if you know or not, also Satellite Beach allow their residents to have four
chickens inside city limits. Um but unincorporated Boulevard County is only allowed to have one. You can't go to Tractor Supply and get just one chicken. Um, it's just not right. You know, the
chickens, they're flock birds. They have to be in groups. Illegally, you can uh I think you have to purchase four to be able to purchase them. Um, just asking that, you know, maybe you could change this because, uh, people need to be able
to feed their families. Um, sometimes the grocery stores can put limits on, you know, amount of eggs you can buy. Excuse me, I'm nervous. This is the first time I've ever been up here before. Um, but yeah, just, you know, the grocery stores, they put limits on
the amount of eggs you can buy. Sometimes you go to the store and there's just no eggs available. Um, the quality is not really that great. I don't know if you've ever had a storebought chicken egg compared to a backyard chicken egg, but the quality is just is really different. Um, so I'm
just asking you to take this in consideration and change it for people living in the rural areas. That's all. Thank you very much. Thank Thank you. Um, Luke Harris.
Uh, good evening board. Uh, my name is Luke Harris. I am Jennifer Harris's son. I have lived um in Northern Boulevard County my entire life. Um when I was about seven years old to the age of 10,
we had seven chickens in our backyard. Um they were a joy me and my family to just um have after school you can go outside um pet the chickens, feed them, take care of them just to um it was a
really good um mental um rest from the workday of what school brings. Um just it was very beneficial to to me and to my family of doing it. It also helped to teach us responsibility of learning how
to take care of these animals and how we can do that for our futures just in daily lives of the daily responsibilities learning from a young age. I'm asking that we just we consider this um six chickens is a very good
proposal. Um just it really helps kids with you know maybe staying outside a little bit more. I know sometimes, especially in today's day and age, we have a lot of children who are inside a lot or maybe on electronics a lot. I think it might be a good thing as well
for them to be outside and learning, you know, animals, taking care of them, learning responsibilities. Um, just I hope that we're able to um make the make the changes and make decisions and whatnot. Um, thank you.
Okay, that's the end of the cards. Discussion. There's got Go ahead, Commissioner Atinson. So, I'm not opposed to chickens, but unlike maybe many people who live in Bvard County, um I actually
live on 27 of an acre. So, I actually am not living in the county, so I'm not directly affected by this. But for those people who are, that's not a very big plot. And I can tell you that my neighbors across the street who we love
and adore moved in and they have a couple of chickens and they feed them the scraps of their human food and whatever else you feed chickens and they bring us eggs, which is great. But unfortunately, they've also brought us rats.
And while we talk about responsible ownership, I don't I've never owned chickens, so I don't know what that means. But what I do know is that these particular people who've moved onto my street into my neighborhood, who are lovely humans, have also brought us rats. So in my backyard, we have rats
that run the fence. And my great Dane ran against the fence, cracked his head, and you know, now I pay $67 a month for seizure medications for him. Now, that's not going to be every situation, but I want everybody to understand that I think that we have to have some kind of
limit on the size where we allow some number of chickens, and I would be amanable to that kind of conversation. But I have had some um emails from people in my district who are opposed to this. So unless we can come to some sort
of agreement about the lot size, um I would have to be a no on this one. Other discussion on the item? Uh Commissioner Delaney? Um I I hear what you're saying with that. Maybe we could do like a sliding
scale because like um the speakers had mentioned there's um a limit to like how many you have to purchase if you purchase chickens. So maybe we could do like two um if you're if you have a really small
lot and then at a certain size we could go up to four and then up to six. I'm I'm open to some kind of negotiation on on what that looks like. So, I'm happy to discuss that. And and can I ask a question for for my knowledge here? We would that be rural
versus um you know in in um obviously we don't we don't zone for cities um on on things. Zone is the the wrong word. um they they have their own rules, but um
in in your mind, would that would that be rural versus you know, single family residential neighborhoods? I I I would imagine too that HOA, right? I mean, I I live in HOA and the lady walked a pig down the street
and um I said, "How how big is that going to get to be?" And she says, "Oh, maybe 200 lb." And I said, "I'm going to tell you now. Uh they're not going to go for that." And um anyway, she ended up moving away. I don't know what happened um with the pig. Maybe she she moved to
a a rural setting where she she could do that, right? Um so so how would is that what we're talking about here? More of your hope is in in the rural because see I think if you have an agriculture uh classification or zoning uh maybe you
don't have have these constraints. Correct. Is that is that right? Okay. would um I'll tell you what, would you work on that and and bring it back? Would that would that be the maybe the right way to to go? And my my my um thought about this and my opinions
fundamentally changed about chickens during COVID um when the stores were empty and or chicken egg prices were, you know, $8 for a dozen eggs. Um I know that it saved my family
a lot of money. my kids can down some eggs. Um, and so I just really feel like it's an American right that we should be able to feed our families. Um, and so I I really hate to restrict it to a certain zoning because like I said, we
could have five dogs in a house, which that's far more of a nuisance in my opinion than, you know, a few chickens. And um, you know, it's it's not counting roosters, so there would still be a restriction on that.
um you know so hopefully we can we can come to a agreement on this. Now can I ask a just a technical question because I don't know anything about chickens. Does does one chicken make a certain amount of noise but two together make a lot more noise? Is that
is that a I mean when they have friends come over is that a is that a thing? I don't So the only time they really make the hens make a um a lot of noise is when they lay an egg and that's usually in the middle of the day. um not in the early morning or late afternoon and um
at least in my experience. Um and it's not very loud and it's not for a long period of time. It's maybe 5 10 minutes while the chickens lay in the egg once a day. I have one thing. Uh Commissioner Atinson one thing to say about about what you
just said about rights because I think it's important that we all understand that your rights end where mine begin. We all have individual rights, but we need to respect each other's rights and where we live. Okay, good point.
Commissioner Goodson, sir, I just wanted to comment with six, just say five chickens laying an egg a day times six days, if you give them off Sunday, your family's going to live off a lot of eggs. Now, are you going to allow the people to sell the eggs?
In my proposal, it's for personal use, not commercial. How will you how will you control chick six chickens making 35 eggs a week and you don't sell them unless you eat eggs? Well, the the the reason for the six chickens is because the hens don't lay
eggs every single day. Sometimes they skip a day and so like for instance my my three kids, they could down a half a dozen or more eggs in one. I mean they're now would it be fair to assume commissioner that if your chicken didn't
lay an egg that becomes chicken pot pie? I mean somewhere along the line just make sure I understand this because if we're into killing them I'm all for it. Yes. Actually I that is part of my proposal. I believe that people should be able to um feed their families. Another question sir.
Okay. Commissioner Goodson for a followup. If you have chickens and you have feed and you have chicken poop, does that do you then become do then do you get rats or do you get coyotes? Which one comes first? I would think that people would have to
um you know live abide by the law just the same as you know if you have a dog or a cat. So taking care of your property um containing your feed properly all of those things. Okay. I hope the coyotes realize that or
bobcats because they do pretty they tear them up pretty good. Thank you, chair. I've never purchased a chicken before. Uh I think the uh one of our public comments um Miss Harris said that you can't buy them one at a time.
That's That's a thing, too. Can't just go in there and buy one. That's like a rule. It is. It's a rule. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All the breeders and the stores like Tractor Supply, you can't go in and buy one chicken. Okay.
I stopped in a rural can in northern Ohio recently and I had never been in one. I was killing a little time for an event and they had hundreds. Hundreds. It was the most incredible thing. So from their perspective, I could see that they don't want to sell one at a time.
Right. Okay. All right. And Rural King, if you're listening, we would love to have one of you in Bvard County. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Very good. I I think with a little work maybe maybe bring this back. Okay. All right. Uh Okay. Um that was all the
cards, everything. Uh item J4. Commissioner Delaney. Thank you. This item proposes updates to board policy BCC 43 which governs the annual budgets for commission off commission district offices. This
recommendation revision aims to improve transparency, accountability, and clarity in how district office funds are managed and reported in response to growing public expectations and internal discussions. The proposed changes include the imple
implementation of quarterly versus actual report for each district and clear procedures for funding and approving office related facilities expenses. These updates are intended to strengthen over uh fiscal oversight,
ensure responsible stewardship for taxpayer funds, and promote a greater trust in local government operations. There's no fiscal um impact with this item. And um
so I'm proposing to update to the um 2425 uh district office um budget. Just update that number to what's in the current budget book. And
then also section C, I'm uh proposing to update that the budget office will provide each district with a quarterly budget um versus actual to show year-over- commitments, expenses, and remaining balance. Um just so that we don't have to go and ask for those
things that that it'll just come to us. Um and then uh facilities this this is regarding um any kind of updates to commission offices or uh renovations.
Facilities will provide a written estimate of anticipated expenses and obtain written approval by the requesting commissioner for any commission office specific capital improvement or renovation project prior to proceeding with the work. And um I
would like to share that this has been um presented to staff and um we I worked with them on their input on on this and um this is what we all came up with.
Um okay. I think do we have a card on this one? First of all, are there are there questions? Go ahead. Go with your card. Do you want to do the card first or? Yeah. Okay. All right. Sandra Sullivan. Sandra Sullivan. So, just um
just a quick comment. I thought that the update was very good. It's uh bit overdue. It seemed like that uh policy needed to be uh updated. Um and I think you know getting um you
know having commissioners have estimates for work ahead of time is just good business practice. Right. So finally I would just say in the interest of transparency and accountability it would be also nice if quarterly this was placed on uh an agenda item so that the
public had access as a transparency and accountability so that we see it also. Thank you. Commissioner Goodson, you have a question, sir. Commissioner, has there been any problem that I'm unaware of about facilities? What seems to be the problem?
So, when I went through my office renovations, um there was just a a miscommunication between the facilities department and my office. And um for instance, when I was
uh before my office renovation, I was told that we would have a moment where we would do blue tape and that I'd get estimates and all these different things. And those things just didn't happen. Um and I I was under the
assumption that they would come to me with those things. Um and I got busy doing other things, you know, as a new commissioner. And um the next time I went to go and check in and say, "Hey, how's it going? What's you know,
what's going on with this?" Um I was told that the work had started and was, you know, well on its way. Um and they didn't have any uh cost um updates for me. It was all really we
don't know the invoices, you know, and because it was a facilities project and not out of the commission office, um there was no basically we found a hole in policy. And when Mark and I worked together on this,
um, this was he had already made the administrative change. Um, that this is what he was going to be going forward and doing um, regardless in the future and um, they had asked that I just solidify it in policy.
Now, wouldn't you um if you were remodeling your kitchen at your home, wouldn't you wouldn't you be aware of what they were the contractor was doing or would you just turn him loose and go for a vacation and come back with the bill? Would you watch that any closer? With all due respect, I was not on
vacation. Um I didn't that was just a scenario I gave. Secondly, um the I was told that the first step would we would have a a moment where we would go through the office with blue tape so that we could decide where the walls were going to be
because the state's attorney gave over a section of his um space to the commission office so I didn't have to go out and rent a space um because I was fulfilling a campaign promise giving back Tom Stathithm Park to the public.
Um and so that meant um better utilization of a wasted space and um some walls had to get put up and and whatnot and so um
you know that that never happened. The work began without my knowledge. Okay. question is Jim is the work began without her knowledge and without any kind of understanding what she was spending. I would say more likely no. I mean I
don't have all the details in front of me. We had we uh we answered a number of questions. We sat down with the commissioner. Uh I I will not in the beginning. No, you didn't. No, sir. You weren't even part of this at all. I know that you didn't let me finish. That was my part. I was going to explain I wasn't I wasn't there at the
beginning. So, that's part of it. I I do know as part of the process that the facilities department already um agreed that the any uh renovations or changes to your offices that you guys would get it ahead of time and sign off on them. So, you would like for us to vote to restrict future future commissioners
from not restrict. No, sir. That's what you're implying. No, not at all. If you would listen. Um Oh, I didn't listen. What I'm asking for is to make sure that the staff lets the commissioners know what they're doing and gets the approval of that
commissioner. But somewhere along that they cannot they cannot continue without the signature of that commissioner approving that um change and project. Well, thank God you didn't buy furniture, right? That would have been more money.
That was taken from my office before I even got there. I I have all asset management furniture. If you know anything about furniture, they got a barnyard full of it. Okay. Now, I guess the only other question I have is, you know, you talk about that that
guarantee to the public about giving that center away, giving the center back to them up there at the park, right? Correct. Yes. Okay. So far, now that being said, they tried that thing with a venue of marriage or funding or parties or
reunions. picture, Mike. They they tried that up there previously. And Ian, where are you at? Please come up. Cuz you still got the cost of that to remove the walls inside of that and it was minimal. Oh, minimal. It was.
Do you have the price? I believe it was it was minimal. It was about $5,000. So you Okay. Ian, can you tell the board did that by giving up that office previously to Rita Pritchard being there, did it make money as the venue
that it was proposed to do? So, Commissioner, like Commissioner Delaney said, there was minimal funds that were generated. We did an RFP in previous years. We had an agent that went in that used it and uh facilitated
as a event space. what they found or what we found is that they actually charge too much and price themselves out. So, there could be a benefit to doing that, right? There there could. We're actually not going to be putting it back out as an RFP. We're going to be putting it out as
another rental facility like we do our other rentals and we're hoping that that generates some more revenue. Okay. Thank you, Jill. May I have another question? Follow up, sir. All right, Jill. I don't know, but every month I get a a
breakdown of my expenses and what I'm spending it on. Correct. You know that? Uh, correct, Commissioner. When you took office, you're you had asked for that monthly report. So, I have it on my calendar to provide that to you. And she could do the same. Correct.
I'm happy to provide any commissioner with a budget versus actual at any time. Okay. Thank you, chair. Thank you, chair. I would like to add um that Tom Stathithm Park, not only um can it be
used to, you know, generate some income, but we have a serious shortage in North Bard um for space for not only the elderly um but people with disabilities with um places for teenagers to hang
out. Um, so if if this does not produce the income that we're looking for, I believe still that this building will provide massive um a massive community service to my community. And when I was door knocking,
the community came out loud and clear and said, "We want this building back." And so I I made that promise to them. And so I I was going to fulfill that. And now we're using a we we renovated
a space in the six-story building which massively needs huge improvements as many people have talked about. Um and now this space is being better utilized, more efficiently uti utilized and um you
know people can come see me, come see the tax collector and the property appraiser all in the same trip. Everyone knows where where I am. Um, you know, it's a it's traditionally where the D1 commissioner should be is in that six-story building and um I stand by my
decision, but really this policy change has nothing to do with um any of that. I think that it's fair because there are no onboarding. There is no onboarding for commissioners. I don't know if the public knows that. you basically get
thrown to the thrown to the wolves. And it would be great if we could safeguard our policies so that when new commissioners come on board, they're not, you know, there's some safeguards in there that we don't have to um
you know that that our budgets just get sent to us. That's just good practice. So what what is what is the issue with that? Why does a commissioner have to ask for it? That should be something that most people would assume just happens. A a CEO of a company doesn't have to ask
their financial person for for the budget and for, you know, it just happens. Um, so I just I I don't understand why it's controversial asking for that. Um
it's these are pretty simple changes that staff all of the staff that this would revolve around. Um they all signed off on this basically and said that this is you know this is good. They're they're comfortable with it. And so um
with that I would I would ask for your guys' support on this. One of the things looking in here, uh, you have out to include outofstate travel. Um, has discretion and approval over their
line items within their budget to include out of state travel. Now, I I thought, correct me if I'm wrong, uh, that we didn't do out of state travel without asking the board. I seem to remember that that we had an
issue like that in the in the prior board. Am I Am I right on that? I I believe you're correct. You come back to the board for out of state travel. Yeah. So, we could strike that part. Um that makes you more comfortable if that's duplicative. Okay.
Any other discuss? Uh Commissioner Atinson. Jill, I have a question for you. Um it's my understanding from my staff um that we can actually pull these reports ourselves from SAP. Is that accurate?
Uh that's correct. And so that's what some offices have preferred to do whereas some like to have the reports sent to them during different time periods. It all depends on the office. So we work with each office on how they would like to receive those reports or
we provide training on how to access those reports. So I have capable staff which I appreciate. So we don't need to have the report sent to us quarterly. We can pull it ourselves and I'll be responsible for the money coming in and out of my office because I think Commissioner Delaney
that there is no excuse for not knowing what was going on in your renovation. I also had a renovation although smaller than yours. I knew exactly what was going on because I asked and and I think that and I was told that I would I would be brought into the loop when the work was
started or before the work was like I said, there's no excuse for not knowing what was going on in your renovation. You lived there. Okay. And I think that it's important that we have, like I said, safeguards put in place
so that new commissioners don't have to go through what I did. And um I was also a new commissioner at the same time. Okay, great. Okay. Um there's a second and by the way everything that was done
in my office just because I haven't said this on this dis everything that was done in my office was standard standard is that correct Jim I believe that is correct yeah okay so
if there's an issue with what happened in my office we need to start looking at the standard in this County. Okay. Anything else? All right. Um,
so I'm open to any suggestions that you guys have as far as tweaking the language. Again, this was these were staff recommendations. And so I um I'm happy to change and and
tweak any of this. And so if there's any uh suggestions that anybody has, I'm happy to talk about that. And, you know, we can we could bring it back for, you know, a red line or if everybody wants to bring back their um what their red
line would look like um or their suggestions, I'm I'm happy to do that as well. If you guys aren't comfortable with this exact language, um I think there certainly could be a couple amendments. I don't know if we're prepared to do all of that tonight. Um
that's my personal view. Um, and I appreciate the the other information in here. Um, you know, that was the one thing on the out ofstate travel um that I saw. I happen to think, you know, bill folder is a pretty good I think we all
agree. I think that's one of the good things that came out of prior boards or a consequence of um we find that works pretty well. I'm aware of our budget. Uh we I discussed that with my staff. Um I don't ever have concerns. Um I think I
think you moving offices was um obviously a different thing. Um so u some of the others have been able to come into a b office that already existed. So I I'll give you that. I don't know if this is ready tonight. Um that's that's my my two cents. Um so
Sure. I'm happy to bring it back. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Let's go. And and and by the way, just so that we know, I think we have quite a number of cards on the final public comment. Um so that you know, we got we've got three on J5.
Um so let's let's get to it then. Um let's let's go to J5. Commissioner, that's your uh that's your item also. Thank you. Um, this item calls for a board discussion regarding the potential
dissolution of community redevelopment agencies throughout Bvard County. Originally created to combat blight and spur redevelopment in certain areas, many CRAAS have now exceeded their intended purpose, often operating without updated plans or measurable
outcomes. While I I will admit there are some of them that are doing a really great job as well. Um but meanwhile, the Bvard County Fire Rescue um faces increasing pressure from population
growth, rising call volumes, and aging infrastructure. Um, this proposal recommends directing staff to assess each CRA's legal status and funding structure to determine if dissolution or
a reduction in county um tax increment financing, TIFF, um, is possible. And the ultimate goal is to sunset outdated CRAAS and reallocate millions of dollars in annual revenue to essential public
safety services. um most notably fire rescue, improving response times, promoting equitable distribution of taxpayer dollars, and prioritizing countywide safety and resilience. And um
I I spoke about this um when the topic of the North Boulevard economic development zone um was brought forward and um you know and that was you know uh
dissolved and so that money is now going back to the general fund and uh during that time I had talked about the other CRAAS even though ENBEDs wasn't exactly a CRA But the other um similar
uh funding mechanisms, these these um we've said this over and over again, we have a crisis in the fire department. And while um we're heading in the right
direction, I don't believe that where we are right now is enough. um I don't believe it's going to fix the problem. And I was told that to get the MSTU, the voter approved MSTU back to its um voter
approved millage, we need to come up with around $4 million. And this these CRAAS um would equal about that. Um CRAAS can't be resolved if they have outstanding debt. And there are a couple
with outstanding debt. Um, there are two that are significant and or I'm sorry, there are three that are significant and then there are two that have some debt that I'm I'm assuming um that we could pay off that debt and um the remainder
of that money could hopefully come back to us. Um so $3.5 million could be available now. Um and then
once we um resolve the debt on those two, that would give us another $671,000. Um and then once the the other debts are resolved, which will take some time because it's considerable, um the total
is 4.2 million. So, um I I think that while CRAAS, you know, there there was a time for them, right now we're dealing with a massive fiscal
um issue in in our county and we have to be able to fund our fire department properly in a way that they could be successful. And right now, um, even with this newest proposal, while I hope the fire department, um, the fire union
accepts it and, um, you know, I hope they do that, but I I fear that it's not enough. They're not going to be able to use it as a recruiting tool. And if we dissolve these CRAAS and can get that funding
that we need um to to get a Kelly Day, that will be the thing that they will be able to recruit with and we will truly be able to solve this issue like we promised we would do. And so I'm hoping that um I can get the board's support on
this like you guys supported ending the North Bard economic development zone. Thank you. Okay, questions. My questions on the item. Got three cards. We'll go to the cards.
Um, Sandra Sullivan. Sandra Sullivan. So, historically speaking and coming to these meetings, commissioners generally defer to whose district it was and making decisions and this board isn't operating in in that
way. So with other commissioners making the motion to dissolve NBETSS which was and district one and partially district 2 um issue and at the time I agree that we don't we have a fiscal
crisis and we we need to cut costs and this is one of those areas we can cut costs the CRAAS now obviously the ones that have debts you can have an interlocal agreement to cost share and pay off those debts over time. They don't have to be paid immediately. Um, I
would also like to say, you know, there there are other things too that need to be done to address the magistrates report clearly states that the cost of growth is competing with wages. In other
words, you don't have enough money to solve the problem with fire and EMS. We have a fire department that has been harmed greatly um since last October and longer that they have been advocating.
Um we you guys took a vote to do impact fee uh to uh study to address the costs of that growth. And unfortunately, despite me coming up and speaking, this board decided not to do milestones to get the
fire and EMS assessment back earlier. Now, in 1997, a study recommended that the $97 fire EMS impact fees be updated to $35. It's still $97.
So this this problem of growth which went from $ 48 million in January to the magistrates's meeting being around $63 million in 2022 was $620,000. Huge cost and growth and we're not
addressing it. And so I'm going to say in addition to addressing the CRAAS, I would strongly urge urge this commission in November, which means you have only until
August 19th to do a referendum for 1 cent sales tax for fire and EMS. And then we can remove the fire assessment and EMS assessment from our tax property tax uh bills. So we take we remove that tax from our bills and we give some
relief and I would also suggest you know well I won't go into that but we've got to address our fire department and this is just a single step addressing the CRAAS is only fair you abolished NBEDs which
is similar type let's address the CRAAS uh Tracy Moore Tracy more. Okay. It'll all it'll bend all the way up. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much for this
opportunity to talk about CRAAS. I got down here. I'm hoping I'll be able to get back up. That's uh quite a uh a steep way to come down. Now CRAAS uh it sounds like I'm hearing that uh the
value of the CRA is not really uh being seen by all the commissioners. Uh I think that what CRAAS offer uh to the communities overall is um needs to be examined and also uh realize that we are
not through um there are you know assistance we have completed what we supposed to have done I beg to differ I say that you still need to go around and discover what we have done yes but what still needs to be done there's still a
lot of economic development that needs to happen. Uh we are trying to do our best to revitalize our communities. Uh I am with the Diamond Square Redevelopment Board and we have lots of projects that we've been doing for economic
development. Uh we're creating jobs. We're bringing businesses in. We have an upstart program uh that we have invested uh $10,000 in new businesses that are coming into the Diamond Square area. We have affordable housing. Uh everyone's
talking about that as a subject and affordable housing is definitely something that we have been able to do. In fact, uh we received an award for that. Uh we built uh five houses that we were able to uh invest in our community
and was able to actually get folks to live in those houses. So those provided tax increments for this county and for our community. We develop streetscapes and roadways and so we are developing the appearance of what the community
looks like. I don't know how long each of you have been here, but I've been here since 1984. And what uh Diamond Square used to look like, it's a lot better now, but it's not all the way there yet. Uh we have improved infrastructures, public spaces,
quality of life for residents and it affects our businesses and visitors who come to visit uh Cocoa overall. Now I know I only have 30 more seconds, but I'm just going to um tell you about how we're affecting our children, the future
of Coco, the future of Bvard County. Uh we have programs cops and kids. We have the PAL program. We have alliance for neighborhood restoration. We have summer camp scholarships. And we have for community facade grants and paint and
beautifification grants. So we're doing a lot but there's a lot more to do. Uh I hate to see any CRA uh be dissolved because we are making a difference in Brevo County and each and every
community uh that exists that has a CRA. Thank you for this opportunity. Now I got to figure out how to get back. Thank you, ma'am. Go this way. Thank you very Thank you very much. Marcus Herman.
Good evening. It's been a long night. I'll try to keep it short. My name is Marcus Herman. I live at 315 Water Oak Drive in Merit Island. I'm also currently the chairman of the Maridon Redevelopment Agency. I stand against the proposal to end
CRAAS. CRAAS play a vital role in helping to revitalize our older communities, which helps bring a larger tax base to our communities, which helps pay for firefighters and police and everything else that we need. Now, I can't speak
for all the CRAAS because I don't know specifically how they function or what's going on with them. I can specifically speak about Myra. Myra is very different than any CRA that you have because it's 100% controlled by this county commission.
The residents of Merid Island are very thankful uh to the commission, this commission and past commissions for allowing uh the local residents appointed by our district 2 commissioners at those times to be a part and have a voice in the TIFF funds
that are used for the Myra district. specifically in Myra. I believe that we've done an outstanding job that this the board members and the staff they've been great stewards of the responsibility that's been put upon them. Couple of notes. 86% of the money that
we get in TIFF funds is spent on infrastructure. That's roads, bridges, parks, and septic to sewer. We were doing septic dwar before it became popular after the after the uh big fish kill.
Myra also has an outstanding track record of leveraging the money that we get. We have gotten millions and millions of dollars from federal, state, and local agencies that makes a much better return investment than just the
money, the tiff money that we're getting. And that money gets this is all county money. This goes back to the county. Everything we do is owned by the county. So, I respectfully request that this uh commission continue to allow the residents of Mer Island to have a say in
the future in keeping Myra intact. I'll leave it at that. Thank you. Get a chance. Okay, that was the other cards. Um, Commissioner Goodson for a question. A question. Okay, Jim, if if anything is
true with with what Marcus said with all the infrastructure infrastructure work, the bridge work, the corridor work, the landscaping work, would you or would the county been able to do it solely on your dime?
No. No. We would have had to move other projects around or cut. I mean, you know, like the the the storm water project, the veterans, that was three or four different departments. Um, I could tell you, you know, water even like waterway park that MSTU and and Merit
Island does not have enough funds to build parks. So, I mean, that wouldn't exist even though it's county money, they still are doing it. You would say they're doing a good job. Yeah. I mean, this is just me as a professional planner background that
storm water project that I'm going to get the terms a little bit wrong, but it it made more parcels available for development. I mean, that that was pretty much ideal. So, okay. Do you can you tell the board and I'm just asking because it's my district uh
do you know of any job that they might have done that has not not been well received by the county government? Uh oh. Uh oh. Go ahead. Facade grants were once incredibly criticized. They weren't wellreceived by
a board at one point and they were done away with years ago. And the only other issue I can remember was the sign at the courthouse that Tobaya didn't like. Right. Correct. Yeah. Those are those are two I could remember from the board and Okay. All right. Thank you, sir.
any any other commissioner Delaney. Um I'm not going to discount all the good work that these uh CARAs have done at all. just like NBEDs did a lot of great work, but we have a serious fiscal
crisis and this board said that our priority is to make sure that we fix this. And um you know if North Bard was told, "You're not allowed to have this because we need a fire department fully
funded," we should be equitable and fair across the county. That everybody should be contributing to this issue, not just North Boulevard. So I am not trying to discount the good work that people have done along the way. It's just that we have to make
these hard decisions when it comes to funding our our fire department. And um you know, if anybody has any other suggestions to do that in a very quick um way, I'm open to those. But um
I'm I'm hoping to get your support on this. Okay. Anything else on the item? Um, just personally, I think there's one that touches my district and might go into five. Um, and that's the um
city of Melbourne O'Galley community. Um, and I think we have a pending meeting with um the city on this specifically, don't we? Yeah. Yes, Commissioner. We have a meeting Friday. this the city had set it
up before this agenda item um and it's to talk about the uh parking garage and what that's a single that's a single issue um CRA if you will um you know it's it's
something that the prior boards had uh decided on and I think uh Commissioner Tobaya when he was here he he had paired that down to just um parking ro garage in the galley arts district. Anyways, I'd like to have let
them have that meeting before um we do something with that one at least. Um only because I don't I don't have all the information on that. So would that be more would that cost the 300 and whatever thousand or would
it be more than that? Well, that's what that's what the annual tiff funding is, right? Yeah. So, how do you know how much I don't I don't know how much a parking garage is is going to cost. I don't I don't have that. So, and I'm not because that would stop it from being
able to be dissolved if we allow them to go into debt. And so, while I understand that they want a parking garage, being able to recruit for our fire department seems to Well, I don't know. I don't know that they would they would have debt. So, the
money that they have um could be used on on that, but I I I don't have that today, commissioner, and there's, you know, a pending meeting uh with the city of Melbourne to discuss that. If if they don't want to move forward with that or whatever, then that's fine. I just think that they ought to have that meeting.
We had a lot of pending things in NMBBMEDs, too. Okay. And so respectfully, I I think that this board made it clear what our priority was and you know, you yourself
campaigned on getting rid of the CRAAS. Um we've made it a priority that this is what we're going to do. we're going to fund the fire department and North Bard has done its part and um so with that I'm I'm making a motion to
um I guess it would be to go out for legislative intent to dissolve the CRAAS. Is that right Morris? I'd suggested that you also request staff to prepare a report on the CRAAS identifying exactly what we are able to
do because for example you know my staff did some preliminary work on this actually some pretty thorough work that's pretty close to final and at least five of the CRAAS I'm sorry three of the CRAAS that are municipal CRAAS the board can't touch because those were
created prior to the county's home rule charter we have the issue of CRAS that have outstanding indebtedness and then because of um the CRAAS were greatly paired back and restricted with a series of interlocal agreements
um ranging from 2018 to 2021 and the board only retained authority to dissolve some of those CRAAS. So, at the most right now, we've identified three of the CRAAS
that the the county commission could um either dissolve or or take on the hat and lower the um lower or eliminate the TIFF increment funding. Okay. Uh looks like it would be Myra,
uh City of Melbourne, Ogalli, and Diamond Square. What about the um the second myra one? So there's only there's only one redevelopment agency. There's a portion of Myra funding that's been dedicated.
So the tiff was um you know others would be able to better explain how it was accomplished than I basically there was a millage adjustment. So there's a dedicated fund to the replacement of the Cray bridge that's annual. So,
so it's still over a million dollars. Well over, probably closer to two, if not more. Myra one one and a quarter. And then the um the Melbourne one 326,000
annually and they've been setting aside funds for that parking garage project. And Diamond Square gets very little 122,000 annually. Right. I'm not saying this isn't a hard a hard
decision. I wasn't for getting rid of ENB beds. I voted no. But this board, you know, said that this is a priority and so, um, you know, this will be really telling to people.
I ain't going there. So, did the motion include that report or? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Is there anything else on the item? Is there a second on the item? All right. Maybe this will come back in the future.
All right. It's It's very disappointing to hear this and I hope that everybody watching this at home sees that this was a vendetta, a political vendetta to harm North Bard.
Okay, we're going to we have a lot of public comment tonight and um we're going I think we're probably take a break in between so I'm sorry sir
I need a few I we've been here since 5:00 um you want to take a break now is that what you want okay well okay well we're going to take a break and then we will do all the public cards
5 minutes, please. Okay, so 8:15 Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. me. Heat. Heat. Heat. What? Now we're into cards. Right. Okay. Thank you everyone for
hanging around. Uh we're going to go into public comment. Rose plumber. Is Rose still here? Yes. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Rose Plameumber and I have lived on North Merit Island for 28 years. Our
family built our home, raised our children, and have made our lives on Chrysafully Road. Several years ago, we noticed a significant increase in speed and traffic on Chrysle Road. We put up signs along with many other families
encouraging people to drive as if their children live there. Those signs were both ignored and some even stolen. After realizing this issue would not go away, I reached out to the c to the county to help find a resolution to this problem,
the county came out, performed a traffic study on Tuesday, October 31st, 2023 for a 24-hour period. The study was shocking to me, not only on the number of vehicles, but the speed. In that 24-h
hour period, there were 11 vehicles that were traveling in excess of 70 miles an hour. Imagine that. Would you want your neighbors driving 70 m an hour past your driveway? In that same time frame, there were 422
vehicles that were traveling between 40 and 70 m an hour in a 30 mph zone. Since the installation of these speed humps, the families that have the humps in front of their homes have been subjected to months of harassment. We
personally have had trash thrown in our yard. We have had had dead animals dumped on or near our property. Some members of our community posted on various social media platforms and I quote, "I urge all of my East Chryslee
neighbors to sign the petition to have them removed. In the meantime, show your appreciation for them by giving a short or long blast of your car horns." That post was made by a neighbor present this evening and a main offender of the
speed limit. My family has had to engage law enforcement assistance to intervene on our behalf due to excessive harassment to the point that one individual has been notified that if he didn't stop, criminal charges could be filed.
I have lived and served in this community for decades. We have enjoyed our neighbors and their friendships over the past 28 years. It boggles my mind that some who used to stop by and chat or wave as they went by now despise us
because we and others tried to make our community safer for us, our families, our pets, and the community as a whole. Chrysafully has become a dangerous road. We respectfully ask our neighbors to slow down and likewise request that the
commissioners see fit to keep the speed humps in place. Thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, Bill Plamer. Bill Plameumber, 355 East Crystal Fully. I guess you would call our house ground zero for the speed humps.
Uh, to begin with, this is a situation that has been increasingly worse over time. Countless vehicles have gone off the road and into the drainage ditches along Chrysafully. In front of my house, four cars alone, causing damage to the
ditch, the head walls, and even mailboxes. Countless pets and wildlife sprinkled all over Chrysafoy uh hit and killed by uh speeders. My daughters have lost three cats to this and the lives of
two young men who died while speeding on Crystal Foley. Is that not enough to justify speed humps? On the first attempt was to try to get a four-way stop at Judson and Crystal Foley. The traffic study determined it
didn't meet the criteria for the stop sign and the situation just got progressively worse. I put signs up in my yard. Drive like your kids live there. Those signs were met with vandalism and one was even stolen. Some
of the worst offenders of the speed limit are here in this room tonight. It was no longer safe to walk to the walk the road bik bicycle or even drive your golf cart, not to mention try to check the mail or back your car out of
the driveway. So, how did we get here? At the request of more than 85% of the residents east on East Crystal Foley, west of Judson Road to Courtney, a study was conducted. This study was done on
the eastbound and westbound lanes of Christopher Road from Courtney to Judson. The study was done from 12:00 a.m. on 10:31 23 and concluded at 12:00 a.m. on 111 for a total of 24 hours. In
front of my house, a recorded volume showed 969 vehicles passed by my house in that 24 hours. So this is what we know from the speed study that is public record. Of
the 969 vehicles, 431 exceeded the speed limit by over 10 to 14 miles an hour, 30 m hour on the is on the road. 122 of those vehicles were 15 and 19 over the
posted speed limit. 51 vehicles at 20 to 24 miles over the speed limit. 28 vehicles at 25 to 29 m over the speed limit. We had nine vehicles at over double the 30 m an hour speed limit. Six
vehicles 20 to 39. And to top it off, 11 vehicles in a 24-hour period that went in excess of over 40 miles an hour over the speed limit. This is a public safety issue and I thank the commissioners for hearing.
Thank you, sir. Louie Hannah Holland. Did I say that? Louie. Louis Hannah. Okay. My name is Louis Hannah. I live at 710 East Crystal Fully Road.
Oh, by the way, I think Wayne Ivy is the best sheriff we've ever had in this county, and we are damn lucky to have him. He'll appreciate that, sir. Uh it was summer of 1965, my old man pulled up in the yard one day and he said, "Get
in the truck, boy." And here I am. And then in 1980 I was lucky enough to go to spa work at space center and I worked there a long time and in uh 1996 matter of fact it was 29
years fourth of July weekend we moved into our house on East Chris Fully Road. It's been my neighborhood my home. I like it there. It gets kind of wet when it rains. I mean, the water gets I've had catfish swim past me in my driveway,
but uh it was my community. It's my home. And then, uh they resurfaced the end of East Chrysafully Road. I thought that was great. And about a week later, they came in and put speed humps in it. And I thought, you know, I didn't ask for
that. I didn't know anything about it. I asked my county commissioner about that and he said, 'Well, you weren't asked because you're not affected. And I'm thinking, not affected? This is my home. It affects me. If you go to Publix,
you and you don't you want to avoid the speed humps, you have to drive Judson Road. So that's that's two miles every trip on a dirt road. I didn't buy property on a dirt road. East Chrysafolia is my neighborhood. That's my home. I I don't like the speed
humps. I don't like judging. But the fact that I was told that I didn't have a say in the matter of what I thought didn't matter in my own neighborhood, that bothers me because it is my neighborhood. It is my home. I've lived
there a long time and I think that I should have been included. I think everybody there are 230 houses in the East Chrysle Road neighborhood
and they asked the people from Judson to Courtourtney about this and everybody down there just about voted for it. So that means you got 11% of the people in that neighborhood decided for the other 89% that we're going to have speed
humps. That is not right. I don't care what your policy says. We should have all been included in this decision. That's wrong. And some of us don't like it. And some of us Well, I'll just leave it at that. Some of us just don't like it. Thank
you. Robert Adams. I think that's right. Did I say that right? for short people. My name is Robert Adams. I'm here today talking about the speed humps. I've lived on that road for 41 years.
Haven't needed speed humps. It's none of my business how you drive by my house. If you want to run into a canal, you go right ahead and run into the canal. On November 16th, Mr. Goodson with a swipe of his pen decided to install five
speed humps on a half mile section of road. He's only surveyed 20 of the folks. Like Lou said, not one of the individuals in the affected area was mentioned, even though it's a dead-end road. The only way you can get off that road without going over the speed humps is to
drive around Judson. One way or the other, you either drive down a washboard or a muddy road. I haven't taken a clean buggy to church in a year because I have to drive down a dirt road if I don't want to tear my equipment up
going over five speed humps. In April of this year, we waited our designated year before we were allowed to put in for a request to have the speed humps removed. spoke to a lady by the name of Cynthia Morris.
The only term in her vocabulary is it's this is policy. Well, obviously the policy is not working. She gave us a packet to have the speed bumps removed, but she only gave us the packet for the people
that already put them in. She didn't give us a packet for everybody east of Judson Road. So, I don't know what that game is. I have no clue. Then, we were told that we have 120 days
to complete those forms and get them back. We're in the process of getting all those signatures now. And my question is, once we get this package done, do we burn another year waiting for something else to happen? There are over 200 homes in that
affected area. And we've gotten 146 signatures so far. And out of those 146, only two nos. So obviously their percentages that they worked with to get those humps put in were bogus.
They didn't need to do it that way. Some of the factors that they put in different papers are slower emergency response time, damage to vehicles, noise pollution, ineffectiveness, and reducing speeds, and the negative impact on the property values. And additionally, it's
caused a dreadful rift in a neighborhood that was very pleasant beforehand. I used to go by the plumber's house and enjoy the fact they were sitting out there burning logs in July or August because it smelled like fall. Now you can't go by at all because it's
nothing but aggravation. It's harmful. And if anybody that has any ideas, if you go right there, everybody that leaves this place has to go over 10 speed bumps every day. I've driven over, if I did it that way, 3650
speed bumps in one year. Something not normal about that. Sorry. Thank you, Katherine Ta. Is that right, ma'am? Yes. Okay, very good. Hi, I'm Kathy Tester. I live on
Chrispholey. I live at 615 East Chrysley. Um, my concern is that even though we're further east of Judson, we are still impacted because I drive
Christopholey. I have a sports car. I can't drive on Judson because it'll actually ruin and it'll ruin the car to the point where I won't be able to use it. Um, I am fortunate. I have a lifetime warranty, but it wouldn't they they're not going to
they're not going to fix what's wrong with my car if it's been caused by the road. Um, so that's a big concern of mine. I don't have a choice. The only time I would ever drive on Judson with my car is if there was a brush fire and I had to get out. I would take the risk
then, but not if I'm driving anywhere from two to six times a day over this particular road. Um, other concerns since they put the speed bumps in, people pass me because I go slow over the speed bumps and it's not to their
liking. And so people then drive over the double yellow line, pass me and there are curves in the road and at one time the person who is passing me literally missed hitting the person coming from the other direction by
inches. And that scares me because what's he going to do? He might not hit her going, you know, hit the other person head on, but he might come back into me because at this point he's still passing me because he can't see past. So, a stop sign, which I had never even
heard wasn't even a possibility, um, makes a lot more sense. It slows people down, but it doesn't cause you to have to go over five speed bumps in like a quarter of a mile. I mean, I get up to speed. I get up to about 15 miles an hour before
I have to break to go onto the next speed bump. It's it's just it's dangerous. People passing over the um double yellow line, people going on the opposite side with head-on traffic coming. It's dangerous. It's more
dangerous now than when before we had the speed bumps. and the mention early about the two boys who died. Um, that was actually almost right next to my house. Okay, those boys had been partying the whole night. It had
nothing to do with being safe drivers. They were just totally reckless. Um, and any speed bump wouldn't have stopped them. They probably just would have gone over the speed bump at whatever speed they were doing that took down the telephone pole and the electric pole and stuff like that. Um, and I feel really
bad because I have to pass where they died. Um, but no speed bump would have ever stopped that accident. Um, it's just it's it's become more dangerous because people are now angry as they go over the speed bumps and I
have to go slow because I don't want to damage the under carriage of my car. Um, thank you. I have a question for you, ma'am. Yes. You have a sports car that has a lifetime warranty? Yes. What? Americanmade Dodge Challenger.
Okay. A lifetime warranty. Lifetime bumper-to-bumper. Okay. No, not Bonafice. No. Okay. All right. Uh, came from Vero Beach cuz Bonafice didn't know they had three purple ones. I wanted a purple one. I got a purple one, but Bonafice wouldn't sell me one.
I didn't picture you was a Hellcat driver there, but now I understand. Okay. All right. Very good. But I don't speed. I put on cruise control because I have a purple car and I don't want to get a ticket. So, I always have my car in here. I can't you Oh, just one other thing. Now that you brought up my car,
I actually clocked gas mileage, miles per gallon on Chrisley, I get about nine miles to the gallon. That's pretty bad even for a sports car because when I go down Courtney, I get
about 30 miles to the gallon. Again, I use speed control, cruise control. Um, but you can't use it. So, you're breaking and you gas, break gas, break gas. It's a horrible way to have to drive every day.
It might be low gear, too, but uh Okay. Interesting. I know how to drive. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much, Emily Robinson. Emily, you have the nicest handwriting. If anyone has ever turned in a card, I
very, very much appreciate it. And it's very small. I don't know how you do that. That's very good. I try. It's my It's my superpower. Um so unlike everyone here, I'm like relatively new to Bvard lived in Titusville and then we moved to Merit
Island about a year and a half ago. I'm a newer resident to East Christophley. I live in the newer development. I think it's safe to say that my uh neighbors are happy to have me represent them here. Um but I'm here to just speak on facts because I really have no dog in
the fight. uh in terms of emotions um or anything. So I just want to say that there are very specific perimeters. We're all aware about these speed humps uh volume of traffic, the road size um etc etc. But I do want to note one specific statistic about that traffic
study that was not mentioned. The average speed in that traffic study was only 35 miles hour. Yes, that is five over the speed limit, but the average for that night was 30. So those outliers that were doing 70 that is what that is an outlier.
Um so one of the parameters to have a speed hump installed is no more than 1500 vehicles uh per day. That traffic study that's been cited up here is was about 1,189 cars. That was 19 months ago before our
development of 200 homes was built. The volume of traffic has greatly exceeded that. I posed my question to traffic ops saying hey I guarantee you the volume has exceeded 1500 now if can we conduct another traffic study if so if the
volume has exceeded 1500 is there room to have these speed humps renegotiated removed anything I'm like because you can't tell me that if a road has a speed hump today just because it per the perimeters today it's there forever um
I'm Sure, traffic ops is a great office. Cynthia was very pleasant to talk to me. She said she would get back to me. I gave her a week. I had to call her back and she told me she forgot about me and then was told that her supervisor said it was grandfathered in. It's done. You can't remove it. That's an unacceptable
answer to me because I'm like, "Speed humps are not forever. They can be removed." But that's neither here nor there. I think that does need to be addressed in a future policy about if a road no longer meets the requirements, how can we get it removed? Um, the other
thing that I do want to also address was I reached out to Commissioner Goodson's office um kind of with the same question saying if the perime if the perimeters or characteristics of this road are no longer matching, can we compromise? Can we talk about this? Because there's so
much animosity in the community. there's so much drama. Um, all I got back was a response, see the administrative order, not a let's work with you, not a hey, you know, let's talk about it. Just see the attached like we already told you
what it is what it is. So that's my two cents. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, Richard, is it Vieber or Veber? Fever. V E B E R Richard.
No. Okay. Carissa Jones. Uh good. Uh good evening everyone. My name is Carissa Johns. I'm a mother in Merit Island, Florida. Today, I'm here to address the grave in uh grave
injustices and the continued tenure of Sheriff Wayne Ivy of Bvard County, Florida. The law enforcement officer should be a guardian of justice, a protector of civil rights, and a servant of the people. Yet, Sheriff Ivy has repeatedly demonstrated that he is none
of these things. His record is married by corruption, radical profiling, violent rhetoric, violent rhetoric, and a blatant disregard for constitutional rights. It is time for him to be removed from office, disbarred from any position of power, and held accountable for his
actions. That is all. Cararissa Johns question. Oh, you you have a card, ma'am. Do you want to speak? You said, I believe so. K A R I S SA. Okay.
Okay. Kelly Colo Colum Booty. Is that I'm a B U TI? Is that they say that right? Oh, yeah. All right. Hi there. Yeah, my name is
Kelly Colenberti. I'm a resident of Palm Bay and I'm here to ask the board for help because the person in charge of keeping us citizens safe, Sheriff Wayne Ivy, prefers to threaten us with disproportionate and cruel punishment as a PR stunt to appease his MAGA friends.
Wayne Ivy's comments from June 13th must be unequivocally condemned by this board because every rally we have held in Bvard County has been operated with maximum cooperation to law enforcement and etiquette. Come see for yourself. We even tidy up the space when the rally
ends. This is not an LA city riot. It's basically Woodstock with poster board. Iivey's comments about making protesters graveyard dead, saying someone who spits will end up in the hospital, his entire tirade, was unacceptable. And he may
feel like a big man for gleefully fantasizing about killing the very people he's in charge of protecting, but most of us were repulsed. He is an elected official, not Judge Dread. I don't care what he says when he looks in the mirror because we are asking that
you as the board do everything in your power to demand accountability and reasonable behavior from this unhinged sheriff. According to the Bvard website, he makes as much as four-fifths of this entire board. He gets paid $256,000
a year and seems to put more care and detail in the police procession for his dog Juny, for the people of this community, immigrants or not, who deserve due process and actual justice. He is accountable to the residents of this county, not his followers on
Facebook. His fear-mongering and intimidation will not be forgotten by the voters of this county. And if he chooses to not re in his cowboy daydreaming, I would love to promote his recall and replacement and make his policing career in Breard graveyard dead
because I can't tolerate three more years of this childish beta behavior. Wayne's TV sheriff antics have garnered the ridicule and disbelief of national and international news outlets. On one hand, I appreciate Wayne's theatrics because I too am an actress at heart,
but he should spend a little less time playing influencer and a little more time understanding why Bvard citizens are coming out in the thousands to protest his buddy Trump. He should be helping keep these peaceful protesters safe from the reckless drivers both on
Chris Philly and at these rallies who blow their exhaust in our faces and nearly run people over. These protesters are retirees. They are veterans. They are families. That's who Ivy threatened. That's who Ivy wants to be intimidated
into silence. Additionally, I find his association with the constitutional sheriff's group deeply concerning. It's associated with a white national group that can't be denied. That's the circle that Ivy runs in. And Bvard citizens deserve a sheriff who lives in the real world with the rest of us and believes
in human dignity and wellness. Deborah Mgher. Uh, good evening. I'm Deborah McGregor. I live on Mayor Way in Rocklage. I've lived there since 1988. Uh, we have a problem there with flooding, which has been brought up here before. Um we had a flood there last
year when the hurricane came and the everything was pretty bad. Uh we had a meeting with this with the county commissioner and um some engineers back in November and uh they I brought pictures so they could see certain things to help them out and they asked
to keep the pictures. The two engineers was a gentleman and a lady and they said that they would follow up on this and get back to me and um I've heard nothing. We were also told at that meeting that they would they would
coordinate with the city of Rocklage, the uh state of Florida and the county together would get together and have a meeting to work on trying to resolve our problems. I learned tonight when one of my neighbors came up here to speak from the gentleman that they're planning to
have this meeting. It's eight months later. They're still planning to have this meeting that has not happened. uh we're right about ready for hurricane season and we've been fortunate this year that we've had drought and so we've had no problems but the problems have
not gone away they will continue and I understand the road is lower but that is not the main problem we have an issue um the bank along the side of the of the from mayor way to Milan on the south
side of when you're going on Fisk on out neighborhood The bank is lower in certain areas. And what has happened is when the main drain on Fisk becomes full, over full. It now has an inlet and it drains into Mimaway and we have a reservoir. It looks like we have a lake,
but we have we have no lake. And then so now now we are becoming a reservoir for your water that's not flowing down your drain. My suggestion was for them to take a look at it and see if they could burm that so that the water would not be
able to overflow and come down into uh into May. Uh the other thing was for them to clean the drains, which they did come and they put some pink ribbons around two or three two trees on one side and one on the other because they were falling over and tearing down the
side of the bank. They took those away and left other ones that are still falling down into the drain and pulling down the side. I don't know why they took some and left some, but they did. Um, I think that one of the issues why the it be this problem has become worse
is because several years ago there were pepper trees growing along that bank and they sent um whatever machines they use to chew up and pull up all the um the pepper trees. And I think in doing so it caused some erosion and that's why when
the water rises so high it's able to run over the banks and come into Mayway. And so I'm asking once again please because it's hurricane season for someone please to address this and not leave us hanging like this.
Thank you. Thank you ma'am. I I did leave the pictures so um they could see where the inlets were. And unfortunately now some bushes are starting to grow. So it's a little harder to see where the inlets are. So I'm asking someone please to do something to help us.
Okay. Darius Vanner Barner. Is that okay? Hi, I'm Doris Varnner. Um, I've been before you guys before and I lived in Merit Island for at least 17 years.
My husband passed away and I'm going to try to get as much of this as I can through. I work at I go to East Coast Church. I help the homeless and I try to help people that are that are uh single. I try to help them find jobs and be able
to find housing. The problem with the situation is I am having is we have more and more elderly people that are coming into the food bank that is getting uh um homeless. The thing of it is the housing situation we have right now is really
really bad. the the cheapest place I could find anybody is $1,300 at Orchid Lakes. And that does not include the rent or the lights and the other things. The other thing of it is is I'm having a complication with is
that when these people are going to reg uh to register like at Orchid Lakes, one person has to meet a total of $33,000 to be able to get in that place. And and if two people's going to rent it, they need $36,000 just to get in there. Now, we are coming up with places. I'm trying
to find some of these single people rooms. If they can't get an apartment, then I'm trying to get them rooms. The rooms are running like a $600 a piece. I'm not asking for a hand help hand out. I'm asking for a hand up. The thing of
it is, I do want to say this, and I will say two two big things has happened since last time we talked to you. I was working with uh a mother and daughter. They was handic. This guy that was in my neighborhood, he knew what I was doing for. Well, anyhow,
he ended up selling for me that house for them for like $1,000. So now they're off the street and they are living there. But I just want to say this. I am having people coming in and I need access to if you have any information on
what we can do. We've got to help these guys because these people are coming in and I'm trying to get us through. But these people are coming in from New York, New Jersey, and all these places. They're buying these campers up and these these apartments and stuff. They're raising the rent. Colony Park
raised their rent like three times in just in just one month, I think. I'm not sure. It was on the news. You can go back over to Channel 9 News and look, but I just want to ask you guys if there's any way you can help. Please
give me any ideas. I can't give up. I can't quit fighting for these homeless people. I can't. I'm tired of seeing them laying on the street. I'm trying to find them jobs. When they go for jobs, they're not getting hired. And I just wanted to come before you this morning to let you know, I mean this evening to
let you know what is happening. And I am fighting like crazy to try to do something for these people. I'm not trying to hand them out just homes without money. I'm trying to get them jobs so they can help get their yourself money to come through. Okay.
All right. Oneita, will you talk one? Ma'am, Miss Wanita Jackson's going to talk to you for a minute. Okay. She's from Housing and Human Services. All right. Ma'am, I we have someone from the county who's
going to talk to you here for a minute. Okay. All right. Robert, is it Spinus? Okay. All right. Yeah. Hi there. My name is Robert Spinning. Uh
we I live on Mayir. We've been having a flooding issue bad. I mean bad. Now I had sat down with the council member there asked him you know what is what is the status? My council member said, "May
we're going to have a sitdown with with uh Rockidge, with the city, the county, and the state. May has came and gone. I call his office
several times and I leave a message." So, the other day I just happened to call another council member's office, District One. Whoever district are you, District One? You have sweet people. You have And it was very nice. She She said to come down
here and spend your three minutes and I'm not trying to get nobody in trouble. We're in trouble in our street. Now, he could sit there and say that the street's wrong, but if the main canal won't take the water, we built a lot of
developments north of us of Rocklitch. the county got paid $10,000 per whatever you call that bond. Why ain't we putting it back into our cities and counties and states where,
you know, where's that money go? You know, I pay a lot of money for taxes. I mean, I've I've left I've called uh the county manager's office, left five phone calls, and he never called me back. And
I understand there was a storm there. I I finally I called this man's office five times and finally he called me back after the fifth call. But it's awful funny. One night I happened to be on walking past the TV. He was in in West Melbourne for another meeting over
there. Why? No, I'm referring to you. Okay. You Okay. Okay. But you weren't on channel 2 news. Okay. Okay. But but you you repeatedly told us my house was built wrong. You told me the street is
Did you tell me that? All right, let's let's do one factor here. Bard County set the standard for the slab height. Bvard County. No, you can shake your head all you want. Bard County set the standard for the road drainage and all
going out. Now you can sit there and roll your eyes all you want. Bvard County set the road height of the road. Did they or did they not? Or did some developer some developer just come in there and lie about that?
No, that is your fault. That is your fault. Built in 1972. No, it wasn't. Wasn't required 72. It there was there was plans for it and you just somebody decided not to make them. But what's the retention pond going to do once that fills up? Where's
the water going to go in our homes? You're right. You're absolutely correct. Okay. You are got to be the worst county commissioner. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I would like I would like people to look at these photos here. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Right. You'll get another one come next November. No, you won't because you won't you your word is no good. Thank Thank you, sir. Gretchen and I'm sorry for being this way but I you know I stress I I I stress my neighbor's home took on a foot of water
during Irma I think it was and we got we had a county manager assistant manager in her backyard said oh we'll take care of it you're right absolutely thank you Gretchen Zler
can I have those back Good evening. Um, my name is Gretchen Ziggler. I've lived in Bvard County for nearly 20 years. Um, Sheriff Wayne Ivy's appalling display on June 12th was an example of the polarization taking place
in our nation as a whole. The so-called constitutional sheriff is nothing but a bully with a badge who threatens and demonizes anyone who disagrees with him. His incendiary comments actually put peaceful protesters at risk of suffering
extraleal violence both from those sworn to enforce the law and those who would act in their absence. The Posy Commitatus Act of 1878 has received a lot of publicity lately, but the concept for which this act is is named dates
back to biblical times. In medieval English common law, Posi commentatus allowed an English sheriff to summon able-bodied men to assist in keeping the peace, making arrests, or pursuing criminals. The constitutional sheriff's movement is an ideology based on a
selective interpretation of this concept and is an attempt to apply these historical powers to our modern US concept to that the county sheriff is the ultimate constitutional authority and has the power to interpret and
implement the law as they see fit. When I heard Iivey's threat to kill ICE protesters graveyard dead, it brought to mind Iivey's own mounted posi and citizen observer patrols. Would he send these volunteers and reserve deputies to
disperse peaceful protesters? Would they rely on strong armed tactics and even violence? He sure sounded as if he meant it. Ivy will neither confirm nor deny membership in the CSPOA, but his ties to the farright are clear.
He served as an advisor to the group Protect America Now, itself associated with the hate group Federation for American Immigration Reform, as well as True the Vote, the organization responsible for the debunked propaganda
film 2000 Mules and its claims of widespread election fraud. The Orlando Sentinel and Florida Today have repeatedly written editorial pieces warning citizens of Iivey's ideologies. So far, these have fallen on deaf ears.
Excuse me. But his June 12th outburst went viral, and not in a good way. People the world over learned of his record of corruption, racial profiling, and bribery. The timing couldn't be worse. Florida is already being boycotted as a tourist destination
around the globe. Iivey's remarks served to fuel this fire. While Ivy has never been convicted of a crime, it's worth noting that he continues to act with impunity. As an Air Force veteran and independent voter, I respectfully ask the commission to heed our call for
transparency and accountability. The citizens of Bvard County deserve no less. Thank you. Richard Shoot. Thank you. My name is Rick Shy and I'm a resident of Vieiera and a veteran. I'd like to add a few thoughts about Sheriff
Ivy's comments uh statements in the video and irrespective of of how uh people feel about him. Uh, Sheriff Ivy's comments amounted to nothing short of a presumption of guilt by association
with non-paceful demonstrators such as many in Los Angeles. His remarks indicated to the world that there would be no presumption of innocence nor due process here in Bard County. And I think that's actually a reflection on the board of commissioners.
He and his and he and his deputies would serve as judge, jury, and even executioner at the scene. How ironic that the sheriff made these statements just a day or two ahead of the no kings rally. Americans exercising our right to
peaceful assembly is not breaking the law. In the event that a rally goer does commit the very real crime of throwing a soda can or a water bottle or a rock in protest, yes, certainly certainly an arrest and due legal process should
result, but that level of incident does not carry an immediate unchallenged death sentence, whether Sheriff Ivy thinks it should or not. I'm reminded of the saying, "When your only tool is a hammer, every problem
starts to look like a nail." Immediate in intimidation tactics against nonviolent Americans raising our collective voices are not only morally reprehensible, but also a direct violation of the sheriff's oath to protect and serve.
Our governor has proclaimed this free state of Florida. peaceful and lawful demonstrations will and should be encouraged to continue in Bvard County as a means for Americans collective free voices to be heard. And I sincerely hope
that will be the case for Americans across the entire political spectrum. America is still a democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people. We are not a police state. Whether or not you personally agree with the threats and promises in that video,
Sheriff Ivy crossed that line. At the very least, please consider issuing or requiring an official retracting statement. Thank you. It's not a democracy. It's a republic. Paul Lyle.
It's a republic. little tall here. I'm have to bend down. Uh good evening, commissioners. Uh my name is uh Paul Lyle and I'm here today not just as a concerned citizen but as someone representing a growing nonpartisan group of residents who are
paying close attention to our how our county's leadership chooses to wield its power, spend its funds, and represent its people. We recently addressed the mayor of Melbourne regarding his support for troubling rhetoric coming from Sheriff Wayne Ivy. rhetoric that starts
with local leadership but carry but carry ripple effects far beyond a single city line. Today I want to bring that same concern to this board. This board holds the purse strings, the oversight authority and the responsibility to act
in in the interest of every Bvard resident. We are watching a dangerous erosion of transparency and public trust. When local officials use inflammatory language or proposed policies that stoke division or threaten civil liberties, the consequences don't
stay confined to sound bites. They impact public safety, community cohesion, and even our economy. Tourism is one of Bvard's lifelines. And yet, we risk damaging our image as a welcoming community when our leaders amplify rhetoric that alienates and intimidates.
What you say and do at the county level matters. So today, we are asking this board for real oversight, not rubber stamps. We're asking for budgets that reflect community priorities, not unchecked funding for individuals or departments without clear accountability. And we're asking for
leadership that recognizes the power of its voice and the weight of its silence. Let's be clear, BVAR deserves leadership that puts people over power, service over slogans, and accountability over ego. We are asking for you guys to
either dock Sheriff Wayne Ivy's pay or consider recall please and thank you. Okay, commissioners. That was the last card. We're going to move into board reports. Uh Mr. County Manager,
no report, Mr. Chairman. Mr. County Attorney. Uh just one, sir. It's my anniversary and since I got to spend a night with you wonderful folks, I just want to give a shout out to my wife at home and say that I remain the luckiest man in Bvard.
Nay Florida, nay America, potentially the world. Thank you. And it's it's Donna and how many years? Donna 19. Yeah. Very good, sir. Very good. And
we're sorry, Donna. Um um Commissioner I I think we got a slide thing for you, right? Is that right? Okay. Uh let's just uh sorry to go in order here, Commissioner Goodson. Yes. I just have a brief thing. I'd just
like to take a moment to honor our friend Jack Rderman who passed away last month. Jack was in a constant present on Merit Island, always advocating for the betterment of his community that he loved. He served volunteer on as a volunteer on many boards. Uh Myra
Historical Commission, D2 Dredging Committee, North Marid Island Dependent Special District Board. Jack's dedication and spirit will be la an lasting impact and will be deeply missed. Thank you, Chair. That was a nice tribute, sir.
Um I don't think Commissioner Alman's still on the line. There was a delay. So, I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Yeah, that noise that was him dropping off the line. We don't think he got back on. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, pretty late there. Uh,
Commissioner Atkinson. Okay. Um, Commissioner Delaney. Thank you. Um, I just got to say again, I'm so blown away by the citizen participation
tonight and regardless of people's opinions or views or whatever, I'm just really glad that people are showing up and speaking up. Um, you know, regardless of what your topic is, that's why we're here. We're here to
listen and it just is really encouraging. So, thank you. Um, you. So, I guess I'll start with um we had a month break. Um no commission meetings for the month of June. Um but I was
pretty busy. Um I wanted to give a shout out to the Mims Water Treatment Plant. um the people who work out there. I had the opportunity to tour the facility and um there were some major repairs that needed to happen and the people who work
there every day. I mean they are just incredible what they do and so I just wanted to uh acknowledge them and um thank them so much for what they're doing. Rudy and your team. Um, you guys do a great job and uh, thank
you guys so much for what you do. Um, so one of my campaign promises was to try to make my office more accessible, help information get out there easier to the public, um, not make it so difficult
to have to go through and read, you know, a thousandpage um, agendas and things like that. And so, uh, when I first got elected, I I attempted to talk with our communications department on some things maybe that we could do differently, but then I learned that
that's wasn't the correct avenue. And so, um, I decided to hire, um, a part-time helper, um, Megan Mscoso. She's also a Titusville city council member. and um she's my
uh what I'm calling her is a communications coordinator and she also is helping in um constituent relations and um so basically any any extra help we need in the office and that kind of thing that's what she does but um
we have finally got everything all organized and so Logan if you wouldn't mind putting um the first slide up. I just want to say thank you to Don and your team for putting out our press release um so fast and um just made it
very easy for us to do that. But I um not only am I keeping everything up to date, if you could go to the next slide on um Facebook and um I started a Substack website and on that website I'm I'm putting up articles of things that
are going on that are pertinent to D1 um that people care about. Like for instance, the um we have these grates uh or I'm sorry, these plates on FA Boulevard and there was a lot of
community um uh uh engagement around that issue. And so I wrote up an article about I went to the staff to see what we could do about these um plates. And basically I just put it in an article and let everybody know what the plan is.
you know, why have these plates been here for so long? So on and so forth. And um I just wanted to put this information out there because I know a lot of people at home are watching these meetings and I want to make sure that people are staying connected and
informed and um you know that they are able to you know find me. So, my I I put all my information on there, my my um office number, my email, and um I've
uh yeah, so that's this is one of my campaign promises and I'm really happy that it's uh another one I can check off and I'm going to continue um you know, just putting out information so that people don't have to dig so hard to find
the information that they care about. Um, so thank you so much to my team and thank you so much to um the county staff that has helped along the way as well. Thank you. All right. Very good.
I also want to thank tonight uh the gentlemen who come to every meeting and keep us safe. Uh our lieutenant and our sergeant here tonight from the sheriff's office. Thank you. We appreciate you. I think that's it. That's it.
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