[bell] [music] [music] Thank you very much. Our nation's first president was not known and did not make his reputation by praying powerful prayers. But George Washington uh did not know Bvard County or the county
commission. But the prayer he prayed in the 18th century could have just as well been prayed for you all. And I'll use it as my intro. Heavenly Father, I now make it my earnest prayer that God would have you and the county over which you preside in
his holy protection. that he would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of obedience to government, to entertain a brotherly affection for one another, and finally that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice and to
love mercy. Lord, tonight I pray for the health and the strength of this body, for each individual member to have discernment, to hear, and willingness to listen. Lord, grant them wisdom beyond all learning and gifting they have been
given. Give them a striving for excellence in service to all. And Lord, the satisfaction of a day's work well done, even in the face of opposition. It's in your name we pray. Amen. >> Thank you, Jamie.
Pledge allegiance will be led by Rob, Commissioner Rob Felner. >> Please join me in the pledge. To the flag of the stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. First item on the agenda is approval of the minutes for September 16th, 2025 regular meeting and October 14th, 2025 regular meeting. >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> Motion second. All in favor signify by saying yay. I >> motion carries unanimously. >> Okay. We have a resolution recognizing the 40th anniversary of WS 2's share your Christmas food drive. I'd like to
uh ask uh Megan and Tim to come up and I'll read the resolution if you certainly will have the floor to say a few things as well. >> Oh, do you want me to go say something? >> I didn't read the Okay, go. It's up to you. >> You can read the resolution. >> Okay. All right. and we certainly thank W two for their good work and to help
and support the community in this important matter. Whereas 40 years West two News and Central Florida community have come together to make the holidays brighter for neighbors facing hunger through share your Christmas. And whereas what began as a simple act of
kindness in 1986 has grown into one of the area's most cherished holiday traditions, uniting families, volunteers, and community partners to support local kids, families, and seniors through Second Harvest Food Bank in Central Florida in Central Florida.
Whereas Wes 2 work with Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida through through share your Christmas has collected more than $10 million and 5 million pounds of food in the past 40 years. Whereas operating in multiple
counties each December, share your Christmas has been a one-day as well as week-long event evolving over the years as needs in the community have changed. Whereas wisht share your Christmas broadcasts have highlighted the needs of
residents of Bvoulevard County for the past 40 years and ensure all food drive donations made it to Bvoulevard County stay in Bvard County in the benefit of its citizens. Now therefore, be it resolved that the board of county commissioners of Bvoulevard County,
Florida, hereby recognize the 40th anniversary of Westo's share your Christmas and celebrates the milestone of four decades of generally compassionate community impact. Come in order and adopted in regular session
this second day of December AD. I entertain a motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. represent commissioner Felner and Commissioner seconded by Commissioner Delaney. Any discussions? All those in favor signify for saying yay.
>> Yay. >> Motions carries unanimously. Okay. Like to give you the board. >> Um I just wanted to say thank you so much first and foremost. Um my name is Megan Morardi. I'm newer to the area. I just moved here in January to join the
West News team specifically to represent Bvard County. So, thank you so much for having us here and on behalf of the entire team, thank you so much. We'll be accepting all those donations next week at the Bvard Zoo on December 12th. Um, and yeah, we hope everyone can come out. It should be a good time.
>> Fantastic. Thank you so much. And please let all the folks know back at WS too how much we appreciate their commitment to the community >> and and and at the Bvard County Supervisor of Elections, we've been partnering with WES since 2009 when my predecessor Lorie Scott first kicked off the program. And in the 16 years, we've
collected over 6,800 lbs of food. Um, just in that time, we are currently uh accepting food donations right now right across the hall and at all four of our administrative locations. And uh it's always been our common belief that everybody and the holidays should be able to have a shared meal with their
families. So, we appreciate our partnership and thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] I think I think we'd like to get a photo. We have a we want to get a photo. I'd like for the whole full commission to join us if they can. However you want to do it.
>> Yeah, he's a little tall. You're blocking >> Kim. [laughter] Great. Thank you. Okay, that brings us to our consent agenda. Uh the uh entire consent agenda will be passed in one motion to include
everything under section F unless something is asked to be removed. Are there any items that are needing to be removed? Cannot. >> We have no cards. >> Move to approve. >> I'll second. >> There's a motion and a second to approve. Any discussion?
All those in favor signify by saying yay. I >> motion carries unanimously. Okay. Now we >> comment. [clears throat] >> We are now going to the public comment
cards. And uh Diane Nagel is our first speaker. talking about >> drainage. >> You might have known me as somebody else. >> Yeah.
>> Where do you want me to put the pictures? >> Let's just set them back here. >> Okay. >> Against the chair. Stacy, can you grab that >> against somebody? Are you getting that? >> That's it. >> Okay. Is my three minutes start now?
>> Okay. I'm here because I'm upset. I'm hot. And I'm going to tell you why. It's because of your district, District One. And I am used to working with commissioners that do something. And I
can honestly say I'm very disappointed with your office. They do nothing except Okay. Okay. We'll take care of it. But we can't call District 1 Road Bridge. You'll have to call them. This was my
fifth phone call to your office. I was finally told by somebody that I have to call the District One Road and Bridge office. I said, ' Okay, what's their phone number? Well, I don't have that. And I said, 'Oh, okay. Well, what time
do they close? Because it was 3:43 in the afternoon. She said, "I don't know." I said, "Okay." So, I found the number and I called Rodenbridge. [snorts] They were closed, but the tape message said,
"We're open Monday through Friday from 7:30 to 3:30 and closed on holidays." And I said, "Okay." So I called back to your office and I told whoever answered the same lady. I said, "By the way, your
road and bridge department is open from 7:30 to 3:30 Monday through Friday except holidays." So now you know. So that was my conversation.
The fifth time that I called their office in District 1, I was told originally that something would be done. It would be looked into that my backyard was underwater. This
was what day was it, Nancy? >> I don't know. November 12th, something like that. Around 11. Anybody know? >> 26th of October. >> Okay. Well, that's the backyard in the middle of the night. I have four young children there under the age of eight
that are scared to death because their house is flooding and there's a river in their backyard. But nobody cares. Nobody from District One. Nobody. So, they don't even come out and check it. They don't care. This happened a couple years
ago and we were told, "Oh, well, we'll take care of this couple years ago." Nothing happened. There are other people here today. I'm not the only one. You want to raise your hand? Some of you, people were run out of their homes. They don't have any homes anymore. Their
young children have no homes. And nobody cares. Nobody comes out and looks at it. Your office doesn't have a clue. Not one clue what they're doing. I'm used to working with county commissioners like John Hurdle and Joe
Wickham and Lee Winner that do something. They'd have a sump pump out there pumping that stuff out. They would not accept the incompetence that your office provides. And I'm hot. And I'd like to ask that you have an
agenda item for this and you get something done. We don't want to hear, "Oh, it's going to cost too much money to fix this." I know because I own several homes in this county. I have wonderful drainage on Merid Island. Taj
Mahal drainage. I have Taj Mahal drainage in the Canaveral Groves, but it wasn't provided by District One office. It was before she or others before her ever got there. The ones that have been in District 1 have been asleep. There's
been no drainage in District One. They have gone without while the rest of the county got all the money from storm water drainage taxes. >> Thank you. I'd like an agenda item. Respectfully, >> this is a major problem.
>> Ma'am, which street are you on? >> Oh, >> on Westwood. >> What >> are you on? Westwood. >> Am I what? >> On Westwood. >> Where? What street? >> Kirby. >> Kirby. >> My neighbors are gone. >> I actually It's a rental house. My
husband was born and raised there. So, it's a rental house. We still have it, but we have other houses. And I have other houses. >> I'm just telling you I'm upset. >> Okay. >> Thank you, D. >> I'll be in touch. >> You got it. Th >> Y. Yes. >> Commissioner
>> Tom. Thanks. >> Sure. Absolutely. >> Mark, would you thank you for coming up? Mark, are you aware of this situation on Kirby? >> Uh, I am, Commissioner. >> Can you shed some light on why? Uh,
because even the other day, uh, I've known Diane for 40 years. So, when I rode up there, the streets are still wet. I understand there's a uh a lake behind Kirby and isn't springfed. Is that any truth to that?
>> Yes. So, Commissioner, there there is an artisian well, we're not sure exactly where uh it is coming from. Uh but I I do want to, you know, articulate that there's, you know, a couple things that were said uh by the speaker. While certainly empathetic to the concern,
Roaden Bridge does not handle private lot drainage. Uh they don't do it in your district. They don't do it in district one. They don't do it in uh any of the districts. We handle uh public road infrastructure. Now, should the board want us to do something more, certainly we are at the pleasure of the
board, but we would need funding and resources to do so. Uh but specific to that, we have been out there. We did a maintenance project about a year ago um to uh address um some failing infrastructure within our easement that
was corrected. Uh but we also have a drainage project that has been explained to uh the residents uh is what I'm told by my staff. Uh we had uh we've been on site. We've answered emails. We've answered phone calls. We have both a
Dixie Village uh drainage project which is um roughly $4 million. We also have a a Westwood uh drainage project which is another 2 million. We are working on the design and uh right now we don't have the funding for both those projects. Uh
but uh given the funding constraints that my department has, we will continue to work with the board to figure out ways to um find that money and we'll also be submitting next year for uh state appropriations. Uh but we if we can get to the 50% mark because uh
typically they look for that. >> Okay. Chair, another question. >> Yeah, go ahead. are did I understand you in the first presentation you just started your presentation that we don't control rear lot drainage in that sub >> that's correct it's actually in the
Bvard County code that um rear lot and sidel lot drainage are requirements of the homeowners to address so if the board would like us to change that we we certainly were up uh in the district one area throughout October there was a lot
of flooding and we did what we can uh what we could in the public infrastructure but we had a lot of homes flooding and again I'm empathetic to that but we don't have the resources to handle that [clears throat] >> understand chair one please >> absolutely go ahead just finish your
line of question >> that being said those homes when they were built was there drainage grades on side swells coming to the route or then they've been filled up by homeowners or do you know >> so I I don't know specifically to that
uh that particular house. Uh but that is a problematic issue for us countywide and is something that we are going to be briefing uh to the board uh about some drainage concerns that we have uh and how possibly to address them in our budget workshop. >> Right. If if that natural lake has an
artisian well by state law, aren't you supposed to cap aren't isn't somebody supposed to cap it? I >> I I can't answer that. Uh, but I can say that our staff looked at it and they were concerned about when they attempted to cap it and the flooding that uh
appeared to uh come from that. So, they decided it was best to leave it alone for now. >> Okay. All right. Uh, let me ask you stay there. Virginia, could you come up please?
>> Well, Virginia's walking up. I have a question. something you said we feel all the time. >> Now, if I live and there's a public drainage easement in my backyard, >> the county would responsible for that public drainage easement, wouldn't they? >> So, again, commissioner, in our code,
and I don't have it um committed to memory, but it actually says that um even if it's dedicated to the public side and rear lot drainage is the responsibility of the homeowner. Now, if I'm going to into a public easement though, I'm a private homeowner
and I I'm I start working in what is considered a p public easement. >> Do I have to have the permission of the easement holder to do the work there? >> Um, technically you do need to uh obtain a permit. That is one as uh Commissioner
Goodson was alluding to. We have a problem throughout the county where we have uh drainage easements which are being filled in. They are one of the major issues that we have. In addition to that, we have failed private coverts. So, there's a number of issues that we
intend to brief to the board, but uh that's the, you know, the reader digest version, so to speak. >> Yeah. And we've talked about that. That is a serious problem. Okay. >> Now, thank you, chair. Virginia, what is the ruling on open artisian wells in the in the state of Florida?
Um, the water management district has a wellplugging program to assist homeowners with getting those plugged if they're on private property. >> What if it's on a county lake? I assume that's >> right. Then we would be the the funding partner.
>> Is that a county lake up there? Does anybody know that answer? >> I I don't know. >> Could you >> I'm not familiar with the site. >> We can certainly look into that, Commissioner. Yeah, please look in that and let the board know because I was under this false assumption that uh St. John's wanted artisian wells capped.
>> Yes, they do. >> So, who would help pay for the capping of that well? >> So, the water management district gets an allocation each year in their budget and it's, you know, first come first
serve, but typically they'll they'll cover all the costs until they run out of budget. Now, if if that be a a public lake or a public well or a Darkeesian well, Mark, do you have do you know if there's an outflow uh structure that allows the water to
leave the lake but go in a correct area rather than Dian Tingly Dun's house. >> So, the maintenance project that we did last year corrected uh within our easement from um that area to the road a
failing covert. Um so um we I believe we've addressed that but we could certainly take another look >> then why would there be standing water in the street today? >> So that is why we have the the two projects that I had mentioned one for Dixie Village, one for Westwood. Um so
we have um you know a lot of issues throughout uh district one um that require u just because it wasn't well planned. We have the easement issues, the covert issues we talked about. We have um depending on when the subdivisions were built, if they were
before the early 2000, it predates our subdivision uh code for storm water. And so we have um certain older communities that don't have um retention ponds. We have areas that are blocked for, you know, various reasons. So there's a
number of reasons that have led us here, you know, 30, 40 years later. Uh but we do have a mess and you know we don't have the funding to address it. >> If I may. >> Okay. >> Commissioner Delane >> board. This is um
this is a result of some of the stuff I've been talking about for months. Um ma'am, I'm I'm so sorry what you guys are going through. I am I I have been all over District 1, especially during
that time. All over. And you guys are not the only ones that are suffering. And I'm not saying that to diminish what you're what you're saying because I am with you. I understand. Um I have been making slideshows [laughter]
so that I could present these things to to my board. And up until now, we haven't really had any movement about, you know, wanting to discuss this at in depth. And um
you know it takes a lot of effort for people from district one and district 5 because you're you know at the south end of the county to come out here and we have a lot of people here that took the effort and I hope that this puts a sense of urgency. I keep hearing from this
board that we're supposed to represent the entire county. Um, but I'm the only one who's been advocating for District 1 and I keep getting voted against and I'm about done with it and so are my constituents obviously.
>> Yes. >> Um, so I [laughter] um during that time, Mark, didn't I call you I don't I can't even count how many times basically begging to see if we could get back trucks out and
>> Yes, Commissioner. >> Over and over again. and it just isn't in our code. We weren't allowed. And I was told that I would have to get board approval to make that happen. And [sighs]
>> 30 families lost their homes. >> Yes, ma'am. >> 30. >> I know. Way more than that. Way more than that. >> No, that's just in our neighborhood. >> I know. >> Please, if you're going to speak, >> fill out a card. >> Fill fill fill out a card and we'll we'll hear you. Okay, good.
>> I gave her my card. I guess the last thing I'll say is this is a critical issue. It's it's we're in an emergency. We're not even in a critical issue. It is an emergency what we're dealing with in district 1. >> So I'm asking you board to please hear
the people that are hear these people that have traveled this way. Hear them. [applause] >> Mr. Mr. Chair, could I commissioner Goodson, I'm impressed. How did you know there was an artisian well there? That's a big county. >> Well, you know, as dumb as I am, I do
fall into a mud hole once in a while. [laughter] >> Mr. Chair, can I uh address that real quickly? Um, >> so, uh, staff was looking at that while, um, the last conversation was going on, and it is a private lake. Yeah. And the the district's program does assistant
does assist private homeowners with well plugging and the phone number is 386 6431152. >> Now is that a state number you giving us? >> Yeah, that's the St. John's River Water Management District's Artisian Well
plugging program. >> And they do that for free now. They used to have a fee, but they've waved that fee. There's no match or fee anymore for the private homeowners if they have a free flowing well that needs to be plugged. >> Uh I don't know how much I don't know how big the well is. It could be 4 in or
12 in, you know, which there could be a lot of water going in that lake. So why would I want to call them when you're in that position to call them? They know you much better. So, I would like staff to reach out to them for this capping
and this lake and get back to us. Get back to us with what you're going to tell us, you know, it's going to cost. I just can't imagine. Uh, if you can control the water that goes in the lake, that would help somewhere down the road, would it not? >> So, I I believe it will, but you know,
also like I mentioned, we have a lot of other issues. We also have a very high water table. So even with our project, we are still going to have issues in in that overall area. >> That might be true, Mark, but also you might release I might condone the the drastic stuff and help it a little.
>> Right. I I think I think indirectly certainly. Now, the other comment I'd like to know back from staff, is there an overflow structure for that water to get out of that lake to go somewhere rather than in these people's homes and these people's streets?
Because I would think if you pipe a a a ditch into the lake somewhere along the line, it would make you understand you better have an outflow to get the water out of the lake. So, can you do some studying and get back to us on the next board meeting letting us know about
capping the well and where does the water go once it leaves the lake? >> It it's just common sense. Those free flowing artisian wells can generate massive amounts of water over time and you're elevating the lake, you're elevating the the water table and that may have paid a played a contributing
factor in the flooding. I think we also should ask the water management district if they can. I know first comes first serve the way they operate, but if they can prioritize some of these free- flowing wells that are are threatening
uh public health and safety and and property uh because obviously uh by focusing on these type of wells that are causing significant flooding problems to prioritize would make a lot of sense. Maybe we can ask them. Yes. Go
ahead. >> Virginia, can you tell the board where are artisian wells allowed today? Where would you have an artisian well that's legal and disallowed?
>> I I would comment to Desireette Ranch, comment to Keer Ranch, South Bard County, to any ranch and grasslands down there. But as far as having one on Tucker Lane above here, have one have the has the uh
Vieira people turn close all theirs. >> I you know it's a state program. It's water management district program. So I'm not familiar. I'd have to research and get back to you. >> Please do. Thank you chair. >> Thank you. It was very well well said. I you know in Florida we have the artisian
aquifer and it's unique. um you dig a pipe certain amount of depth then water will flow. You don't have to pump it and it floods it depletes the aquifer but also floods floods the surface waters too and that's why they're not a good thing. Maybe in the old days they were
>> and maybe Pon thought maybe that was the fountain of youth but but >> but they can wreak havoc. >> Hopefully this will be one of the things we do. Mr. Um I I do just want to make sure that we're not zeroing in on this one thing
because while the artisal well might be one issue, >> it's by far not the the end all beall of the flooding that's going >> Oh, I can assure you we know that. >> Okay. I just want to make sure we're not >> Okay. >> I just as for my own education here, uh
a technical issue once once it's capped or plugged. Does does that uh allow the area to be sort of a natural storm water retention um pond after that? depend on the elevations, but yeah, like
>> I mean, if water's coming up there now and pulling there, >> it it seems that's where water wants to go, right? That's the the low >> depend on the [clears throat] surrounding elevations. >> Commissioner, I think we'll we'd have to look at it. Uh so again, you know, communicating with staff while we're here. Um we don't believe it was
designed. We're going to check with St. John's. Uh maybe the residents know. Um but a lot of good questions. We, you know, it's a private lake, so we may not have the information, but we'll look to see what we can find. >> Just one follow. >> A lot of people have these food flowing
wells in these lakes because in the dry time of the year, the lakes really [clears throat] draw down and they expose a lot of the shoreline. It may not look as attractive as having a a lake with a high water table, but the problem is when you don't allow that water to dry down, you get a gully
washer, there's no place for the water to go but people's houses or yards. Commissioner Felton, >> I was I was just going to say um in in in my district, I I can appreciate that there are older neighborhoods that don't have storm water retention. Um and then
there's the newer areas like over here where there's storm water retention everywhere. And it's it it's hard when you're contemplating how can we do retrofit older areas um with with storm water where it doesn't exist. So, I I I
know that's an an ongoing challenge and um so um we'll continue to work on ditches and some of those other things. I was just curious if you plugged it if it would become a storm water retention
pond. Anyway, you're the engineer. >> The water has to get there. >> Yeah. Again, probably couldn't hurt, but we'll have to look at it. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh this board I appreciate those who appeared. I we got more cards about drainage too. Um
this commission and other commissions you went back way my first term um spent thousands of an hours of trying to address drainage issue and I can assure you we will continue to do that and more. We've talked about master storm
water plans, master drainage plans, surveys that need to be done. I actually had done an appropriation bill in the legislature where we try to redefine the flood plane because our flood plane maps are not up to date in Florida. We have a lot of work to do and there's going to be some
tough decisions to do it and we're going to need your voices to to make that happen there. We have another card. Yes, Beth Scott. Good evening. Thank you. Um, respectfully, I feel like this is kind
of lip service. Um, we have owned property in Westwood Villa since 2002. The family has owned property on Kirby since 1960 something. It belonged to my former
mother-in-law. Um during Ian there was 9 in of standing water in the neighborhood. Um during this storm on the 26th there was 9 in in the garage of our home. 4 and a half in inside our
house. When I opened the front door it looked like a storm river. Literally a raging river coming from the back of my house to the front. Okay. The entire top of the street was underwater. I have
photographs. I sat in my car and watched the water rise. Nothing that could be done. This is the second time. As I said, we got told during Ian it was because there was a broken pipe on Parish Road that served
the neighborhood up off of Parish Road. The engineer assured us that the lake on the property behind Kirby had nothing to do with it. And before they could even fix the parish road issue, the covert failed right there on Kirby and and
Binmar that runs behind our neighbors houses. We watched as they pumped the water out from the lake behind trying to that covert, which is what caused that covert to fail. We sat there and watched it. Respectfully, this is not a new
problem. This is a problem because we have allowed overgrowth without paying attention to the neighbors and the surrounding areas. Plain and simple. We bought that house on Brimmar in 2002. It still, according
to the drainage maps, is not in a flood zone. I guarantee you, it's a flood zone. I have pictures. My kids now have to take all of their stuff out of their house again with no insurance, no way to cover it and replace everything all over
again. You need to realize that the growth in this county needs to consider the older subdivisions, not just what you're putting in new. Don't let what you can build up here on this person's property
affect me down here. I shouldn't have to have flood insurance, right? You said move the water out of my backyard. Well, during Ian, I made sure that occurred. I have sump pumps that run all the drainage water out of my backyard to the road.
Right. That's my responsibility is to get the water out of my backyard so it doesn't flood my house. Right. Didn't do any good. Respectfully, please fix the problem. [applause] Dell Barry. Dale Barry.
Oh, there he is. [clears throat] Yeah, I live on Brandmar Drive. There was 18 inches of water in my house for over 12 hours. The ditch that you call drainage behind
my house floods every time it rains. And they spent a lot of money on that the culbert that passes Kirby Street
and it didn't seem like it did any good. What would have been helpful if the governor was involved and declared a disaster area so we could get some federal help.
you guys can't do it. Trump seems uh pretty eager to come in and help people. So why why weren't they involved?
No one has heard anything about this flood until this meeting. Where were you a month ago when we were trying to pump our houses out? That drainage ditch behind my house is
supposed to be cleared every year. You know when the last time it was cleared? Probably about five years ago.
That's a main drainage ditch. They come in with the big machines that pulls up all the trees and clears out the waterway. Why don't you do it? [clears throat] I mean,
[sighs] I don't have that machine. And it wasn't until our backdoor neighbors called and called and called and called for years
before it was ever cleared. You know, I don't like replacing everything in my house and I lost a lot. I just rent. But
our house is the lowest house on Brandar Drive. A neighbor of mine, make this short, neighbor of mine, his house burned down.
Took him two years to put the permits in. When he rebuilt his house, they forced him to raise the foundation 2 feet. And what does that look like to all the
neighbors that he lives by? Please do something. [applause] Our next speaker is Sandra Sullivan. Sandra Sullivan. I've been coming here for eight years and run a local Facebook page called or group called Waves
Action. And I've been saying many times we got mocked on the lagoon tax. I'm just appalled. I'm going to say the lagoon tax is a scam. We had nearly 21 million gallons dumped to the Indian
River Lagoon in 2022 and 2023. Appalling. Who knew? The testing shows E. coli in the surface water. The There's issues on both those plants. That was at Sykes Creek and
South Beaches, mostly South Beaches, District Three, where 19 million of that came from. There's issues with the with the well and consent orders um and the lagoon tax. What we voted for included
AWT upgrades. So, it's two $2.4 4 million uh on the soral plan for that, but it's $18 million to do the work which was awarded in 2022. Nothing's been done. The infrastructure everybody knows is an
issue. D is fining Bard County for not reporting sewage dumping since 2023. You have consent orders on these sewage treatment plants, both on your monitoring wells, which you're not monitoring. You know why? Because sewage
has a way of coming up upwelling. Sewage dumping is the largest source of pollution. You can pour all the money you want in the lagoon tax, but if you're dumping sewage to that degree, 21 million gallons of sewage, and that wasn't a peak. We didn't know about it.
I looked it up on Oculus and and found that information. Now, regarding these comments on the flooding, you [clears throat] guys know, they don't know, but I know because they come to these meetings. Katie knows because Katie fought for this that you guys
removed the density limitation from the comprehensive plan, which is going to increase the density hugely. [snorts] We have four flood planes. And so if I look back on the last eight years of what topic has filled this room more
than any other issue and we even had somebody recently saying they had to buy a boat because of their flooding recently. But the issue that has plagued Bvard is flooding. And what you guys did in the comprehensive plan is so incredibly irresponsible for the future
flooding. You're going to have way more people than this coming in here. Now, I have an award. I have an award for you guys, and I call this the we got mucked award. >> One for you. One for you.
>> Thank you so much. >> One for you. One for you. Congratulations. >> Thank you. [applause] Uh, next speaker is Teresa Williams. >> Sorry, I forgot one. >> I knew I had five.
>> One for the county manager. >> Thank you. It looks like Christmas is coming early for us. So, >> hi, my name is Teresa Williams and I'm a resident at 350 Kirby Drive. October 25th is the last evening that I was able to spend in my home due to this flooding.
We were on Harrison Avenue 4 hours enough rain fell that we almost did not make it home. There were sections of Titusville where water was washing up over the hood of my SUV. We were stranded. We had to have someone with a lifted truck come and rescue us and take
us home. You want to know where that pond is draining that's directly behind my house into my pool into my home into my neighbor's home that live directly next to me. Drywall has come out. Flooring has come out. I don't have a
kitchen. I can't live in my home. You mentioned that there's a two $2 million budget for Westwood, a $4 million budget for Kirby. Might have those numbers mixed up. We bought a home with my mother in 1988
on Westwood Drive, 3320 Westwood Drive. Every single time it rains, Westwood drives flood. Westwood Drive floods to the point that cars have to be rescued. Emergency services have to be called out. So, there's more money that's being
wasted because the county refuses to do anything about this problem. Now, when the rain recedes and the waters recede from Westwood Drive, the street's dry. However, if you go to Kirby Drive right now, there is water actively flowing
down the gutters down Kirby Drive. You can go around the curve toward Westwood and you can see where it is coming out of the cracks in people's driveways. And it's real easy to sit up here and say, "Budget this, budget that, commission this, vote that." But the
fact of the matter is, how many of you are able to go home to your bed tonight? I can't. I can't because the county refuses to do anything. They send people out to Westwood Drive and they dig a hole and they put a patch. You know what we've got now on
Westwood Drive? Patches, potholes, and a flood every single time it rains. Insurance will not cover the damage done to our homes because it overflowed from a natural source. I was catching catfish in my pool.
I cannot go home because of the problem in this county. I am completely displaced because of the problem in this county. I have a home that my church, thank God, is coming together to help me repair because clearly my church cares
more about me and my welfare and my home than my county does. And that's a damn shame. >> You need to do something about it and you need to do it quick. Thank you. I think that was our last card. Okay, thank you. And we will definitely
I know we have a lot of work to do and it's a problem that took some time to create. It's going to take some time and resources to fix, but we hope that you'll be here rooting us on as we start hearing those type of proposals to fix
this problem. Okay. Uh we'll move on u from public comments to unfinished business. >> Excuse me. >> Okay, let's see if we can find them. If
if you're past the first five, you speak at the end. Our our public comment policy is the first five comment cards go first in G. >> Apologize. >> No worries. >> Yeah, we need you. We don't have a card. We want to >> Did you guys fill out cards?
>> Public comment section. Apologize. That's okay. I could >> and the way >> J2. Okay. Okay. >> We have that. >> Got it. We do have that. >> Okay. We'll see if we can get through this agenda as quickly as possible so we can hear from the next public comment.
>> Okay. >> I think you ought to let us speak on this issue. >> We will >> make an exception. >> He's speaking on a different item. So, it's not this issue. >> Okay.
Okay. Uh this is unfinished business and this is the board direction on with the city of Melbourne's request to amend the interlocal agreement governing the old galley riverfront community uh redevelopment agency. This item was tabled from the November 18th meeting,
2025. I know Commissioner Felton, you've been working on this issue. Probably give you the floor. >> Uh Mr. Chair, I'd like to hear from uh the cards. I think Melbourne's here tonight. Let them let them speak and see
what it is that they're proposing at this point and then then we could go on. Are there are there cards for them? >> Yeah. >> For I1, >> why don't we we we're in the order of the way they're filled up, but I think it'd be helpful to first hear from the
city of Melbourne. Yeah. Jenny Lamb probably let's let her speak first. Good afternoon, evening. Um, thank you for having us here tonight, commissioners. Um, after the November 18th county commission meeting, we, um,
the city of Melbourne had a Oh, Jenny Lamb, city manager. I'm sorry. I don't know if I need to address myself or there. Um after the November 18th um commissioners meeting, the Melbourne City Council had a discussion item on
their November 25th agenda. Um we discussed some of the comments that were made during u from the different commissioners and we came to a consensus. Um I did send a letter last Wednesday, the day after the the council meeting and sort of went over some of
those terms. I'll try to do this as briefly as possible. So, as far as the sunset date, um our council did agree that we could change that from 2038 to 2033 and that is in the revised um
interlocal agreement that um it's in section 4. And then also in regards to the number of parking spaces, um we heard the concerns about the original requirement of the 90% of the public. And I don't think I explained that properly the last time. So the basis of
the original agreement where we said 90% of the originally proposed 300 spaces and um because that was what was originally proposed. So in the revised in the redline version of the agreement, we have agreed to 270 spaces which is
90% of the 300. So we're back to those original terms. Um then as far as low impact development um we did um coordinate with um our engineering department and also your natural resources department. And in
looking at that um and our city council agreed to incorporate reasonable green infrastructure design elements for the stormwater system for the parking garage project and that is in section um five. So then in regards to free parking, we
heard that we had propo, it was originally 50, we had proposed five um years of free parking without any type of payment. And so the current proposal is for 15 years, no charges, 15 years
after it opens. And then for the next 10 years, it would be only the amount that would capture maintenance cost. And the the reason that the council came to this decision was is we recognize that there are long-term maintenance and
operational costs of the garage. So that gives a total of 25 years with those restrictions on the um paid parking or unpaid parking. Excuse me. Sorry, I misspoke there. And then some of the other concerns that were addressed were that there is no fee differential like
between city residents and non- city residents and that was included in section 9D of the interlocal. And then as far as the rate structure making sure that if rates are charged that they don't exceed what the operational and maintenance costs are and that is in
section 9C. And if you didn't I don't know if you received the interlocal agreement but I'm happy I have copies here if you if you did not receive those. Okay. So, I did that in my aotted time. >> Great. Uh, any questions? We have the mayor also is Phil.
>> Mayor's here for questions. I want to recognize your presence. Okay. >> Do Do you have other cards, sir? >> We do. I think >> Do you want to hear all? >> I I would like to. >> Okay. Thank you, Jenny. Um,
our next speaker is Karen Estra. Katherine. Katherine. Okay. Thank. Yeah. >> Good evening and um hello. I'm Katherine Esrock. I'm a resident of Vieiera, so District 4, but I'm also the executive
director of the Bvard Cultural Alliance, which is Bvard County's designated local arts agency. and I just wanted to [clears throat] come and speak in support of EGAD and um wanting to see a beautiful important local arts and culture area in our
county be able to grow and thrive even more. I think that the addition of this hotel and parking structure will make a huge difference in the visitability, if that's a word, of EGAD where it will allow folks um more [clears throat] of a guarantee to know that they can park and
get places successfully. It will create more foot traffic for those local arts and culture businesses and hopefully even draw more new arts and culture businesses, local small businesses that are really the heart of Bvard County and what makes us us. Um, we have lots of wonderful cultural areas all throughout
the county and EGAD is certainly I mean I love it. It's a fantastic place. Um, I think the development of this will be transformative for that area and I appreciate your thoughtfulness in discussing all of the possible options and making sure that you do this the
right way and the best way for the county. And that's all. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate you all. >> Thank you. Appreciate you. Um, Anok, if I get this right, Jordah,
the artist known as Noon. >> She has many paintings on display at Urban Prime. By the way, >> you have to go check out. >> Good evening. Thank you for having me. So, I come after your name. I want to see how close I got. >> Anuka. >> Okay.
>> Okay. I'm actually French. Uh I started working for BVAR Cultural Alliance two months ago. I have installed art in several of your offices. I uh recognize a lot of familiar faces. Thank you for having us tonight. Uh I wanted to speak
on behalf of um a lot of artists that have approached me regarding EGAD. Uh they uh want to make sure that EGAD thrives and develops the way it was intended to be. Um they are all uh regretting the disappearance of the
Fussener and the fact that this museum is gone has created a gap uh in the flow of traffic and in the art flow of the whole district. So I wanted to emphasize the fact that if you develop it right,
it could take a god to another level to the level you intended. But if there is no art development regarding this new project, the hotel, the parking lot, uh the Fusener will be missed. It is still lacking uh in the unity and in the
development of all the uh beautiful unique businesses you have in Nicad. Uh so a lot of artists used to gather there uh connect with the artistic community. uh the art walks were more meaningful when you had that museum and uh if the
hotel is built it should be built quickly and restore that flow and it should also focus a lot on the arts so that AGAD does become a destination for arts and not just you know a few art stores trying to get attention uh you would
drive a lot of tourists thinking oh I'm going to a whole district that is intended to be developed focused on the arts. Um, this weekend I'm actually going to Miami for uh, Art Basil, which is a well-known destination and I'm
actually attending uh, one of the hotel uh, art shows. It's called Aqua. It's a whole hotel that is turned into a gallery for the art week. Uh, why not dream big and develop that for AGAD in the long term? Uh, people will get tired
of Miami. It's overflow traffic too many people but um if we develop something that is unique and is a n district to our destination then we are nailing it where we need to. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Thank you >> Sandra Sullivan. Sandra Sullivan. So, you're just talking about you don't have money to take care of drainage for these poor people. What? 30 people lost their homes. How many meetings do we come to that we hear this
over and over and over and over again? There isn't enough money. We have $2.2 billion deficit in the budget for transportation. That was as much as the entire budget at that time. District three just I noticed has an appropriations for $219 million for a
new I presume toilet to tap since it's toilet and water facility. You have a you have sewage plants that are at or over capacity. Uh let's see. Port St. John was at4 84% capacity on October
28th. We're dumping raw sewage down deep injection wells against the law. We have a critical crisis on infrastructure and yet you're going to consider giving $ 122.1 million to a developer who wants to build a
hotel. Since when did we do pick winners and losers? You know, let let free enterprise work the way it's supposed to. Close all three CRAAS that have no debt. That's the fiscally responsible thing to do right now.
And then the for the rest of the CRAAS negotiate with the CRAAS to take on no new debt. They have almost 13% more income going into their CRA because of the tax increment just this year. No wonder they
can pay it off earlier because they've already collected over $6 million since 2021 when it was supposed to be a $6.8 million project. Earlier this year, it went up to 8.7 million. Then it went up to 10.5 million, and now it's 12.1
million. They can't even make up their minds on how much this thing's going to cost. What a joke. You guys are a joke. Where is the fiscal conservatives that we elected to be up here? Oh, I still had a couple minutes, couple
seconds left. I want to add to that. It is a bad look when this developer gives money to you packs to help you get elected. >> Next speaker, Adam Connley. Good evening board. Thank you. Adam Connley, city attorney for the city of Melbourne. Uh generally just here to
answer any questions that you have. The only thing that I'll add um to what Miss Lamb said was uh again to reiterate the uh redline draft that was presented to you last Wednesday uh represents a work product of city staff based upon the consensus direction from city council at
our November 25th uh council meeting to try and negotiate final terms and address the concerns that you had. Um the only other thing I'll I'll point out is uh city council does have a scheduled uh the final scheduled council meeting for this calendar year next Tuesday,
December 9th. Um and we at least tenatively have an agenda item uh scheduled for consideration of uh this interlocal agreement. Um, so we would certainly appreciate any uh final direction, concerns of the things that you have so we can discuss that with
council on the 9th. Um, or at least consider giving um, uh, Commissioner Alman and uh, staff uh, authority to finalize negotiations or consider um, giving uh, staff direction to to place this on your December 16th agenda for
final uh, approval. Uh beyond that, I'm I'm happy to answer any questions that you have, but I'll I'll stand on uh the points that Miss Lamb made. >> Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? If we have something, we'll definitely ask. >> Thank you. >> Oh, you have a question. >> Yeah. >> Oh, five questions. Well, you you have
the floor. Take take your time. Uh Commission Commissioner Atinson. So, um, we know from earlier speakers that we're looking at about 270 spots, which is 90% of what we are going to build here,
which is the original agreement was 90%. >> The city's goal is to make sure that we have a minimum of 270 dedicated public parking spots. The current design for the garage is closer to 542 approximately. So again, right, the the goal was the city's goal right now is to
achieve 300 parking spaces. The reluctance to just put 300 parking dedication of 300 here is we don't have a final architectural design site plan for the project. And we would hate to run into a situation where all of a sudden we got to 298. And so the the
goal with inc, you know, we we had originally said we will guarantee a minimum of 270. And there was concern there from the council members, from the commissioners. And so we said we are happy to and and city council was agreeable to increase that number to 270. >> But you not you're not willing to say
90%. Because that's that that was going to be my next question is is there a chance that this building could get bigger and house more spots and right now what we're talking about is 270 being 90%. But if the thing gets bigger with more spots and we've only agreed to 270, well then that's not two that's not
90% anymore. And again, right, the the reason that we are asking to change that underlying number from a percentage to a specific number of dedicated spots is because we have this opportunity to do a public private partnership. >> The hotel project as as presently
presently proposed and is required within our city code requires them to have 242 spots dedicated for that use. Those will effectively be the hotels uh parking spaces. >> So, that actually brings me to my next question. Will the private partner
actually be paying proportionately for the maintenance of this building for the spots that are going to be dedicated? >> We've we have numerous elements of maintenance costs that we've been in negotiations with them with on on certain items. Um there there is an
intention for a proportionate share of capital maintenance costs. Um, one of the elements that we've been negotiating with them and as was presented um at our November uh 12th uh council meeting or 13th, I'm sorry, was the concept that
rather than um the hotel developer paying an annual lease or license fee for them to cover annual um maintenance and operating costs, which we estimated somewhere uh in the value of about $100,000. Um our economic analysis shows
that um that is about on par with what a license or lease um fee would be for 240 uh spaces in the area. So again, right, we are we are actively negotiating for those costs, right? And trying to work on the best deal for the CRA and the
city in that regard. >> I mean, obviously we sure would hate to see residents paying for spots for a hotel. So >> yeah, and that's and that's certainly not the intention. And >> so the other question that I have
regarding finance and I don't completely understand my question. If there is a staff member who can articulate my question better, please feel free. Um, so my understanding is that we already have six million in the kidney to build this thing, but we're looking for more
money to finance more money. And I'm wondering >> so the the original the existing interlocal agreement when it was adopted in 2021 >> anticipated a certain date threshold the end of fiscal year 2022 at which point
any future funds beyond that had to go towards debt service on and and there's language in the existing interlocal agreement that speaks to a maximum financing amount of 6.8 million. And so when you include the amount that was in
the trust fund as of the end of fiscal year 2022 plus the 6.835 million that was authorized for financing, you get to a total project number of about $ 8.935 million. That's what's current that's what's currently allowed under the existing interlocal agreement to be used
on this project with additional construction costs so on and so forth. that's not feasible for for us whe whether it be the city and the Sierra on its own building 300 spaces or whether as a contribution for public private partnership to build a
larger garage $8.9 million is not going to do it. And so that's where with again with our understanding in our negotiations on the amount of the contribution for the capital amount and and financing costs and everything else. Yes, we've got $6 million effectively in
the kitty to use. We're asking for a total effective total project budget of just over $12 million to be able to contribute both for capital contribution together with um construction inspection um services and other administrative
costs that the city will have um for for the city's uh contribution to the project. >> Okay. And lastly, so um once we start paying to park here, are we only going to charge whatever it's going to cost to maintain the building
>> or will there be extra? the the current proposal and based on the council consensus um that I received and and direction I got last week, the the proposal is for 15 years of free public parking and then an an additional 10-year time frame where the underlying
fees are matched at what those annual um maintenance costs are are intended to be to approve. >> Then where does the money go after 25 years? the extra money if there is um >> that that would effectively be at at the discretion of that future city council. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Of course, Mr. Chair. >> Yes, Commissioner Goodson. >> Commissioner Kim, if you don't like your proposal, make >> an offer to them again for them to go back to their council and see if they
would agree to it. I actually have a motion I was going to make, but I wanted to make sure we all had time to ask our questions. >> All right. I'm just glad you're ready. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Commissioner Larusa.
[clears throat] >> Uh, Council Councilman Larusa, >> I got a raise tonight. Then >> I either demoted you or raised you depending on your perspective. I'll have to ask my wife, you know, she'll she'll she'll tell me for sure. Chairman, commissioners, thank you for having us
this evening. Um, I wanted to stand up here. I know the mayor is here for questions and and we're all very concerned about this is I was I am the uh district representative for district 2 from 2004 until 2012. Um, I thought I
was done like youth had, but I got pulled back in in 2018 and I'm and I'm proud to be here and I still represent district 2 and I still represent um a galley. We have worked so hard for this district. In 2004 when I was first
elected, place was half shuttered similar to downtown Melbourne. We we all know what we went through in those days. >> [snorts] >> Um what we're asking for is that to help us to continue our success. Um I'll just
mention a few of the we we bring about 50,000 people down to downtown Ogalli every year. Every year based on uh EGAD uh Saturday markets uh the eye of the dragon run. I mean, and I can go through the whole list. And just three weeks
ago, we had the uh Rocky Water Brewfest, and that brought anywhere from 7 to 8,000 estimated. Where do we put them? How do we park? So, my question is basically is that I think that this is
an opportunity for us to keep our dollars in our community. Um, it's an opportunity for us to help grow a what was once a struggling CRA for many years and is now thriving and can and as we
said five-year uh we'll we'll pull back on the five years on the um um on the sunshine. So that's money back in in county's pocket of course. Um I'm asking I real I'm asking sincerely. We have worked so hard down there. There
are people who have put their life savings into everything down there. And if we can't park the people to go down there, inter coastal, um, nomads, pineapples, squid lips, you know them all, we know them all. I'm asking you for for your
consideration and the charging of the parking. I had a conversation with uh Mr. Alman earlier today. Uh, Chairman Alman, sorry. Um, and there are some variables that we can provide for your uh, you know, for your consideration.
So, with that said, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Oh, and construction costs. I'll go back one more time. We have a $12 million project. We're water providers, as you all know. We have a 1212 million water
project that we have to do based on non-funded mandates coming down to us. in 2020. That has turned into $23 million between 2020 and now construction, supply chain, everything that goes along with it. Everything
you're experiencing, we're experiencing as well, too. So, thank you for your time. Sorry if I rambled. I appreciate it. >> Thank you so much for your input. And we I'll talk a little bit about our discussion, conversation, questions I have bringing this to the board, but and we might do that right now because that
was our last card. So any any discussion comments? >> Sir, if you wanted to you wanted to speak. >> Uh I know um the councilman and I discussed about as I mentioned last minute I am not a fan of fee parking
especially when it's unmanned unstaffed fee parking where you have to have an app. If you don't have the right app you got to find that how to pay and you got to have the right credit card then you it doesn't spit out your receipt and it goes on and on. And I like the way they're doing it at
the existing parking garage in the Melbourne downtown redevelopment area. It's where they have parking at during special events and they have staff parking that manages that and that generates significant revenue. I I think that's I have no problem with that. If
you took that same approach here, that that works and I would support that. But I agree with everything the city has said and I'm willing to go forward and support this. I think this is wonderful. Having lived a part of my life, my family moved
to this district. I moved into this district in 1957. I was 18 months old. Well, my family moved me there. Moved me there. But the reason that we have this money that this district has accumulated is because it
has worked. This is good public policy, good decision, good government, as well as partnering with our private sector, and I'm excited for the future. I support this wholeheartedly, and I hope we can move forward with it. >> If I if I may,
>> that's my comment. Yes. [clears throat] >> Um I I don't have an issue with a hotel and a a um parking garage. I think that would be a great addition to the Ogali area. Um,
the thing that I'm still struggling with is this money comes out of general fund. This board just recently got rid of the North Bard economic development zone because we had a critical need um for our firefighters, which frankly we still
have. Um, we have also a critical need for infrastructure and this money comes out of our general fund that all of us pay into. And I just have a real problem with we have a room
full of people that have lost their homes and now we're going to give all this money to a developer. It just is I I can't [applause] and I I'm not saying that the CRA has not been successful. I'm not saying it's not great. Um but we have some real
needs in our community and we don't have enough money to go around. And so it's very frustrating sitting here um you know telling people that we don't have enough money to stop the flooding but telling a developer we have enough money for their hotel. It's I I
don't know how to make that make sense. >> So that's that's where I'm at. >> Any other discussion? >> Well, say a couple of things, Mr. Chairman. Um the the money is not going to a developer. It's going to uh fund a
parking garage. And it's typical that in um municipal areas that a parking garage would be similar to a road, a bridge, other large infrastructure. So that is that is a typical um uh public good. Uh
I think the I think the city um has has worked with us on a couple of things. I think 15 years of of parking at no charge. The next 10 years uh strictly dedicated to maintenance fees, no
differential in fees, the original 270 spaces. Um to your concern about how parking apps work and those sorts of things, uh I might suggest and technology is going to make this uh a lot easier, but when you park at OIA
now, you know, [clears throat] your e- pass um uh works and I'm I'm sure most of us um have e- pass and that's that's seamless. That's that's pretty easy. So um that might be something uh that you would look at. So, I think what the
city's uh what we have here in the packet um with the updates that the that the council considered um I'm I'm good with today. >> Can I give a >> um if we need you to fill out a card?
>> I filled out a card for the other thing dealing with the waste water. >> You'll need to fill out a card for this item. >> That's the next >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Commissioner Ainson. Thank you. So I too have lived here almost my whole life and
Ogalli is very cool. I go to every art anything that they have down there. Parking garage um I think would be great. My issue is not with the project itself. My issue is how we get there. So we've got five different people up here and
having been a mediator for 12 years, I would guess that we might just all negotiate this deal differently. So, I appreciate the concessions that Melbourne is considering and I I I really do appreciate that. But I would like to make a motion that we
allow staff, county staff to do their job and to negotiate this this contract, this deal, keeping in mind all of the concerns that we have. >> I would Can I Mr. Chair? >> Yeah. Just real quick, I would say just
I won't make the motion quite yet. Um, but I think that's what we're we're basically looking for here tonight is to give direction to staff to go. >> I support your motion. I support what you you've tried to build some consensus. So that said, I don't know how different your
>> my motion is. My motion >> the intent of mine [clears throat] would would be not to give staff parameters but to ask staff to do the best that they can for the Bvard residents. And obviously this is coming back to us anyways. Correct. >> Right. So,
>> but I think they're going to need some parameters. >> What they have they've heard everything that we've said today and >> could we could we have just Mr. Chair, thank you, sir. >> You start with these minimums and let them hammer out the rest of the details and bring back both to their council and
to the board. So, again, I think ending the CRA 5 years early, that's that's a benefit to the county. There's there's no doubt. We we appreciate that. Uh 270 spaces dedicated to the public. I think that maintains the original intent. Uh
15 years of uh no charge, 10 years uh after that just strictly for the maintenance. Uh no differential in fees. I would I would I would say how about that as the minimum starting point with the city. Let the county and the city
hammer out those details and and bring it back to the board. And uh maybe you'll consider the OIA um EPASS uh parking scenario. Is there a second to the motion? >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Um, what about the the extra money that
they're asking for? It's about $6 million. >> Um, >> I I think though if we if we look at when the CRA ends five years early, um, I think we ought to look at that certainly. I think we could have a
discussion about that. But, you know, when you're talking about something in 2033, it's it's hard. I don't think this board can buy the hands of another. That's um that that's always a rule. But I estimate uh today that would probably in today's dollars be worth $1.8
million. I think in 2033 time that's probably closer to $2.5 million. So it's it's not nothing. I I hear you on the 6 million, but um I think I think the the city's working with us for >> I think staff to go get more information
and bring it back to us >> is important so that we totally understand that part of it. And if what you're making is a friendly amendment and those are minimums, then I would accept that >> that this is I'll I'll do that as a motion that that we start with those minimums that that I outlined for staff
to negotiate with the city and bring back to us as a final product. >> That be my motion. >> Second by Commissioner Atkinson. Now, debate on the motion. Is there any debate on the motion? I I want to say a few things. One is I I'm very supportive
of the CRA and what's happening there. I'm against support shortening the CRA even though the city's agreed to it. I I think it's you know if we're going to but I will vote for this motion that said and I'm against the fees but I'm going to vote for this. You don't always get what you want but this is an
important project. We we need to move forward. >> We can debate that again when it comes to us the final product. Right. >> Right. We can. Yes sir. >> And do we have another card that Yes, we just got that. >> Okay, probably before we vote, we need to hear P. There's a card.
>> Hillandr. Is it the last name? Hill. >> How do you say your first name? >> Holland. Amanda. >> Amanda. >> Amanda. Okay. Sorry. >> Terrible handwriting. >> Well, it's probably the the person reading as well. So, [laughter] >> um, so I was uninformed about this project until I came in tonight, but
from what I've heard, I'm not very happy. We're talking about a project that originally started off at $6 million. Now, we have doubled that amount, and I from what I heard, it was originally from 2022. Now, there hasn't been that much to overall increase a
project by twice as much in my opinion. Another thing, um, our governor, whoever it was, stated that they were going to go ahead and have 90% of those spaces be allocated for people here in Bvard. However, that was 200, almost 300 spaces. He then stated that they would
like to change that number from the original 90% to a actual frame of 297 and the rest of those spots would be for the hotel. Now he also stated that the hotel was going to be paying some kind of money. So if the hotel is using these
spaces and charging for these spaces, then they should be paying for a portion of this overall project. If the project has doubled in the amount of time frame, which is a couple of years, that's kind of astronomically insane in my opinion. Now, as a Bvard resident, I know this
area. And yes, we do need parking, but to have the overall parking be taxed against us, we already have so many spaces. Even our beaches now are paid to park. Every single one of them. We do not need to pay $12 million for a
parking space that is only going to be allocated maybe half of those parking spaces to us. Then after a portion of a time, those profits are going to be used for who knows what in 2023 or I'm sorry 33 or whatever he stated. However, those funds should be put back into our
community. If we are allocating these funds for this project, that overall proceeds need to come back to us because why are we spending the money? You may see it's for tourism or to boost up the overall economy. I say that's bunk. There is no reason for us to be paying
double the amount of money for a project that a overall real estate developer is also putting funds into and then allocating that public parking spaces to be used by a developer so that they can charge us more money in less than 10 years or whatever you're going to change the number to. I personally don't think
that we should be paying the 12,000 or the 12 million. If you are going to pay something to it, it should be half of the price. And if the overall real estate developer is going to be allocating those spaces, they should be ahead and paying for that. And if the original spaces was 90% for us to put in these taxpayer money, then it should
stay at 90%. It should not be allocated to a smaller amount so they can make it even larger. And we should have overall say in the um funds that are going in here, what it's being poured to, what the overall company that is a private real estate developer is adding in
because the numbers to me aren't adding up. How do we double in amount of a couple of years? I know that there's tariffs and there's taxes and everything else, but that just doesn't make any sense. And I would like to see that overall paperwork before you guys vote on anything. Thank you.
>> [applause] >> So we we we'll get that information at our final vote. We're not voting to approve anything. We're voting just to proceed forward. So we'll appreciate your input there and the city was here. We can we can get those numbers. Okay.
Is there any discussion, debate? Seeing none, uh all those in favor of u the motion signified by saying yay. I >> I against nay. >> Nay. >> Okay. Show that we have one one negative
vote from district one. >> Okay. >> M Mr. Chair, could we take a fivem minute break? >> Yes, I think good idea. That'd be good. Thanks. And Danielle, I need to chat. >> [bell] [music] [music]
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like to call I think we got everybody here. >> We do. >> So we got So the next item um on the agenda is u J2 a written request for public meeting regarding draft permit
number so and so submitted by Blue Origin LLC to the Florida Department of Environmental Protection for the discharge of 0.9.49 million gallons of water per day. a process and nonprocess industrial wastewater to the Indian River Lagoon.
I'd like to read a statement because we've gotten offices have gotten a lot of calls just so people can fully understand the nature of this agenda item. Uh the Boulevard County Board of Commissioners has been asked to submit a request to the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection for a public meeting on this matter. Please be advised that the county has no jurisdiction over the final permitting decision. None. Uh which rests exclusively exclusively with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.
We can give feedback. This first step is we're going to is we're going to vote whether we want to ask for a public hearing. So many of the people here tonight can also appeal or or be informed or participate in a public hearing. Although the Florida Department
of Environmental Protection is not obligated to hold a public meeting, the Board of County Commissioners may make a formal request within the 30-day notice period. This is the purpose of tonight's agenda item. Should the FD grant a
public meeting, it would allow all interested parties an opportunity to express their concerns and obtain additional information. I don't think a public hearing will hurt. And I might add, we probably ought to ask if if this is what we ought to ask our legislative
delegation members to reach out to the Florida Department of Envir Environmental Protection, too, because there's a lot of interest in the Senate. Okay, that said, uh we have a lot of cards, so when you speak, we want to we want you to know where we are. First speaker, Terry White. Good to see you,
Terry. Good to have you here. He is a space shuttle legend. >> Thank you for that. >> Thank you for your service. >> Yeah, I live on North Merit Island off of East Chrysafully Road on Joseph Court. I've been a Merit Island resident since 1965 and a North Merit Island
resident since 1979. The recent storm dropped 20 ines of rain on our house overnight and five more inches the next morning. And now go into a little bit of the history about the pump out there that they're talking about. They want the
permit that was originally by operated by Sullivan Groves. Many of you are familiar with it. And uh back when they had orange groves on the space center. All of the orange groves on the space center have been gone for years. Okay. But when we had a flooding issue several
years ago, I questioned the issue of these pumps pushing water into Pine Island Canal. I was told by deputy county manager Denninghoff at the time that they were not operational. But being a badged employee, I could go on to Kennedy Space Center and I went out
and verified that the pumps were operational [clears throat] and uh because as well as being an employee, I was one of the people that caught the nuisance wild hogs on the space center and had them removed. So I had access to all the wooded areas out there. Okay.
[clears throat] At the next meeting, Denninghoff admitted, "Yes, the pumps are operational." But if you don't know it, almost all of the storm water on North Merit Island goes out through Pine Island Canal or the Judson Canal to the south. All water east of State Road 3
and north of Hall Road are affected. There is also culverts under State Road 3 that draw water from the west side. Yeah, the west side of state road 3 under the road and they also uh pump into or flow into Judson. So almost all
of North Marin Island is affected by going out through the Pine Island Canal. Okay. Reese's storm waters were flowing north verified at East Crystal and Judson Canal when the county pumps at Pine Island were on. When the pumps at Hall Road were on, you could see the water flowing south. You could just
stand there and watch the water moving. Okay. Uh upon checking uh well the water stopped flowing north. Upon checking I found out that the pumps on Kennedy Space Center were pushing a large volume of water into the Pine
Island Canal, much more water than the county pumps could handle. Our water level continued to rise even after all the rains had stopped and East Crystal Police stayed underwater for two weeks after all the rain and that in even with
the county operating the pumps around the clock 247. Okay. We are being told that Blue Origin needs to pump 490,000 gallons of waste water from their tank verification testing. Well, as being a
orbiter processing chief and working on flight hardware for 33 years, I was involved with all kinds of testing on our space shuttle orbiters and that and I can't see a system requiring that much water, 490,000 gallons. Okay. And uh
thanks. I just got the notice too about the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and that. But okay, one last comment. I'll get out of here. is the existing pump system that the county has in place at Pine Island struggles to
handle the water when we have a storm like this and no way can we take another 15 million gallons a month being fed into those pumps. They just won't handle it. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Julio Torres, our next speaker. And then
after um Gordon England would be our next speaker after Julio. >> Good evening. My name is Julio Torres. Thank you for your time. I'm here to oppose the additional renewal of the permit to add 50,000 gallons a day of
industrial wastewater by Blue Origin. Um when I heard about this, it felt like a um Twilight Zone episode. Um it was very science fiction, but it has been occurring, I believe, for about 5 years. I have been living in Bvard County for 25 years. When I drive over the Ogali
causeway, I love looking at the dolphins breach the water. The osprey's dive for fish. The pelican sit on the surface with a full belly. That waste water should really be called industrial chemicals. It first goes into a retention pond.
That retention pond will eventually affect the local drinking water, which is full of forever chemicals. Bvard County has been battling the Forever Chemicals PFAS for many, many years. So once it's in their retention pond, it
will affect the local drinking water. And if BAR County is investing millions to keep our engine river clean, this idea will fight that investment. It would not make any sense. So, thank you
for your time and please encourage the FD to not renew this permit. Thank you. >> Thank you, [applause] G. Gordon England. >> I'll pass. >> Okay. Thank you, Gordon.
Michael Magic. Good evening, honorable chair, commission. I'm Michael Mjack and I'm a member of the Indian River Lagoon Roundt and I'm also on Titusville's Environmental Commission and I've been
there for about 13 years now and I've been a resident here for over 35. I came here to work in the space center. Uh originally working in NASA life sciences when that was still a thing. Um eventually moving on as many of us do.
But I want to talk to you about water. And I know I'll just say it out front. I I would like for you to ask them to deny the permit. Um that's right off the bat. But here's a couple of simple facts. Uh, a river management district recently posted that
by 2040 we're going to be 96 million gallons a day short. Here's a half a day right here. That's almost 5%. I mean, it it's a significant chunk of what what we need.
And I have to ask, you know, what's it for? And the answer that we've gotten is that it has to do with wash water, washing rockets, cleaning them up so they can be reused. Well, if I want to go wash my vehicle,
the place that washes it has to filter the water and clean it and reuse it. They don't get to simply dump it into the local waterway. >> Amen. >> If I have a boat >> in a marina and I want to wash it, I can't do it in the water. I have to
manage the washwater and the cleanup. If I have an aircraft hanger, an aircraft that I want to, same thing. It's regulated. Why does a vehicle that goes up vertically operate any differently than
one that goes horizontally, whether on water or on a train or a plane or a car? This is our water. This is our environment that we're talking about saving. I talked to you last January
about how we need a spaceport authority like we have a port authority for for the cruise line. This is a whole new industry. It's untaxed. It's unregulated. It's unmanaged. As we just saw, Blue Origin
just bypassed Space Florida. They bypassed NASA. They just simply went right to Florida D for a permit. So where are you? You represent us.
>> This is our water. It's our environment. and nobody is looking at creating a cohesive answer for how to grow this place forward. If you don't stand up for a spaceport authority, I don't know who will. This is just the beginning. Thank you,
>> Sandra Sullivan. >> And after that, Amanda Holland. Sandra Sullivan. I I have Waves Action Facebook group. So the first thing I want to say is here we're renewing a permit and they have a consent order and fines for violating for not taking
samples for exceeding exceedences on the samples. So [clears throat] I want to point out when you say, "Oh, we can't do anything. This is Florida D's decision." I'm going to say you can do something because
under your sorrel ordinance 2016-15 it says to ensure compliance with the Indian River Lagoon Act which is state which complies with the NEP which is federal and to reduce eliminate and
where possible industrial and domestic wastewater discharges to the Indian River Lagoon. And the second one is to ensure compliance with the Indian River Lagoon Act chapter 90-262 also known as the Indian River Lagoon Act reduce or eliminate industrial
discharges to the Indian River Lagoon. You have now you can take action on this because you can go talk to your state legislators. You can go talk to your federal congressmen and you can say we're bound by this.
We're talking half a million gallons a day is not just them that's in exances. It's also SpaceX is in violation has consent orders for violating and having exceeded and [clears throat] and then they have the commerce area and they have an
environmental report with that and they're saying storm water management and for planning performing dewatering or other intrusive work may affect contaminated media. They're talking POS forever chemical. They say in here,
"Additionally, the design storm water management features may require evaluating the potential for increased contaminant loading into the lagoonal systems. Do you know that under the CCMP which is the lagoon plan for the NEP
approved by the EPA which is over DP that we are required in our lagoon plan to have pollution which we don't even though you know all this POS that's been discharged at the Cape and Patrick is
laden we have all this POS and it binds to the organic material. I want to just say this. Here is what you can do. You can negotiate with Space Florida to one pay for under add of Lauram tax a storm
water impact fee because we have huge flooding, right? We've had meetings I've been at your meetings with the North Merit Island residents and the the incorporation study said 5 to10 million dollars a year. And then secondly, [clears throat]
require them to build their own industrial wastewater treatment plant. It is not on the people of Bvard County to pay for Space Florida's infrastructure. And he stood here in this room and said he wanted to use
other people's money, the taxpayers's money, and that's unacceptable. Amanda Amanda Holland. >> Hello. My name is Amanda Holland. I've lived in this county now for 22 years. Um, when I first originally moved here, I was visiting my family also here in
this area since probably the early 90s. I have watched the lagoon over that time period slowly decline. Our overall fishing industries and everything has declined during that time period. Starting in about 2014, 2015, we started
actively, me, myself included, going around and getting signatures to increase our taxes here for that half cent, which was completed in 2016. For almost the last 10 years, because it does end in 2026, we have raised almost
$600 million. Over 400 projects have been initiated in this county to save our lagoon. We have animals dying left and right and these pollutions that are going into our water every single day. There is a reason why we have seen an
increase and our blooms of our allergy our algae and our overall animals dying. It is because of these peas because of all of the the nitrogen and everything else that is being funneled into our lagoon. We need to take back our area
and fix this. put in restrictions against all of the people who are using the cape. Not just Blue or Origin, but also SpaceX and the rest of them because it's not just one, it will be the rest. Once you let one person in the whole
entire gates open and we have spent millions of dollars to fix this, 10 years almost in order to make our coastal system, 40% of the east coast of Florida is per is the lagoon. And that
is where majority of our tourism has came for years. Not to mention all of us here who who enjoy the lagoon, who enjoy going out on our boats and our crabs. We can't even eat the fish out of our water anymore because of this. And [snorts] those peops will never disappear. This
is a problem that they have created that they need to fix, not us. And we need to stop them from any kind of permits because again, they did not go to the proper overall channels. Instead, they bypassed all of us and went to the D. It is up to Bvard County to put their foot
down because just like she said, we do have an act in this area that prevents them from polluting in our waters and instead we are turning a blind eye and allowing them to pollute because if I remember properly, this has been going on for 6 months or longer now at this point and it needs to stop. Again, we
have seen larger algae blooms throughout the entire summer and it will only get worse. There will be massive die-offs and when that happens, there will be no coming back for our overall lagoon. And we have dredged 1.3 million overall phosphates and things out of our river
to improve that. And when one fell swoop, we are erasing all of that hard work, all of that money that we have poured into this county, into this lagoon. And I thank you very much. Have a good one. >> Thank Thank you, Elizabeth. Elizabeth Michaelman
and Stale Bailey Batley. Bailey. Yeah, it's an I. Okay. Bailey. Um, the next speaker. >> Hi, how are you? I'm Liz Michaelman. I live on Mary Island. I stopped coming to meetings because I didn't like the blank
looks I'd always get just like am I speaking a different language? I'm here today. I had a great speech. But I'm going to cut to the chase. Are we here today because we're looking for you to get on our side so we can have a public
meeting to discuss this further? If you are not the powers that be, we need to speak to those powers. Now, the thing that's really interesting on your agenda today on the uh calendar, you [snorts]
have three documents that were attached. Did are you aware that one of those documents is from 2022? And we're talking about a renewal. Did you know that when this was first approved, it was for 3,000
gallons? There's a big difference between 3,000 and 500,000. So, how is this a renewal? So, there are so many questions and everybody here is really concerned as should we all because I'm not voting for half cent again. Not doing that.
>> No way. You are ruining the value of my home. You are [laughter] ruining my quality of life. And I wish that just tell us the fact. Will you support us having a public meeting and will we have
that public meeting? >> That's what I really want to know. >> You're going to hear that answer real soon, soon as we get through all these cards. So, but that's the essence of what we're doing, >> right? >> And you know what? I saw it. I read it and I am concerned. And all these
people, they can bring up the documents and they can give you the raw facts. How much you guys have given Blue Origin How much have you given it since 2015? $66 million. Come on. This is Jeff Bezos.
I am sick and tired of the billionaires playing the power game and we are insignificant. They throw us aside because they don't care. They get rid of us. They'll go someplace else. So, I'm fighting for my home as should all of you. And don't
look away. This is the truth. This is not hyperbole. Do your research. I sure do. I believe in factchecking. Do you? Thank you. >> What we're talking about tonight is bigger than any single permit, any
single company, or any single project. We're talking about the future of Bvard County, the place we live, the place we love, and the place we invested years of our tax dollars into trying to save the lagoon. And that's why we cannot accept being told that these discharges are
just a trickle or that it's not that much. Because this isn't just about one permit. This is one piece of a very large, very connected system. When you stack all these permits on top of each other 10 years down the road, we're not talking about a trickle. We're talking
about billions of gallons of storm water runoff from these type of permits alone. We've watched cities in Bvard make the same mistake, build first, worry about infrastructure later, and now we're paying for it. Literally, they're having to rebuild systems that should have been
designed differently in the first place. If industry wants a stable future, the financially smart move is to deal with the storm water responsibly now, not after everything breaks. But the biggest problem, too, is that we do not have an oversight committee. The community has
asked for this for years. And we still don't have a single body looking at the overall long-term impacts of the spaceport. only peacemeal approvals, one project at a time, as if each facility dumps into its own separate universe.
Where is the leadership in Bvard's taxpayers, the same taxpayers who've paid to save the lagoon because we care enough to fix what's broken? There is a pathway forward. There absolutely is.
industry and community can coexist and thrive if the spaceport moves out of the 1950s playbook and into the modern age of storm water management. They could be building reservoirs. They could be filtering and reusing water. They have thousands of acres in the wildlife
refuge to create regional retention systems. They are brilliant engineers. So why are they being instructed to dump into the lagoon instead of being challenged to innovate and mitigation? There aren't enough credits in the
entire Indian River Lagoon basin to cover all of the expansion, but those credits could be used creatively. repairing dikes, installing wave devices, reopening roads in the refuge that have been closed for 15 years, strengthening the refuge, restoring
habitat here, not sending our scrub jays over to Fort Meyers, which they are doing, supporting Bvard's environmentally endangered lands program, [snorts] because what happens at the space center impacts us here in Bvard County, and mitigation should benefit us benefit us here in Bvard
County. I'm not asking the industry to stop. I'm asking it to lead to be good neighbors to be responsible stewards of this land we share to think bigger plan smarter and build a spaceport worthy of the future not trapped in the past. Thank you
>> Sarah Hajjad. >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Sarah. Sarah Williams, and then after Sarah will be Laura Lee Thompson. Hello. Also in opposition to um giving
any kind of uh further permitting to Blue Origin. Um, you said you're going to be encouraging a meeting with the FT. >> What we have the authority to do here is to request a public hearing so the
voices of the people of BVAR can be >> with the FD or Blue Origin. >> The FD. >> Okay. Um, yeah. So, I just kind of in support of that. I didn't know if any of you guys were aware that there is additional discharge in this permit on top of what's already being obviously
polluting the lagoon that has very little support by provide residents. So definitely encourage that. Thank you. >> Thank you Lauri Thompson. >> Um I'm Laurley Thompson from Mims and uh I don't know how I could say anything any better than what Stell just
said. Um, so I I'll just tell you, I mean, I'm I've been 72 years old. I grew up here, been here my whole life. Um, played in the river, fished in the river my whole life. I've watched it go downhill, actually my entire life. And
part of that is because of the impacts from the space center from the 1960s. And unfortunately, um, they are still using the same 1960s technology when they're talking about how to manage their storm water out there.
There's a misconception that a a healthy estuary can handle big surges of fresh water, but that's not true. Um, it changes the salinity regime. Too much fresh water can cause egg hatching failure for important commercial and rec
recreational harvested fish. It can it can cause seaggrass to not thrive. It can even cause seaggrass to not even grow. And like Stell said, this is just the beginning. there's way more companies that want to come here. They're all going to end up with these
half million gallons per day um permits. And when that happens, we're we're going to be looking at not millions of gallons per day. We're going to be looking at possibly billions of gallons a day of freshwater going into a system that in the Banana River has a 2 and a half year
residency time and in the Indian River has a year and a half residency time. So all that fresh water is going to be going into the lagoon and it's trapped by the causeways and it has nowhere to go. So um I know that you know the the
the purpose of the um meeting tonight is to request ask you guys beg you guys please please send a letter to D and request a public hearing because we were caught by surprise. We're in the dark.
The public has a right to be able to confront the people that are asking for these this permit and ask them questions and hear why they feel like they need to discharge a half a million gallons of fresh water a day into a system that
absolutely cannot an imperiled water body that cannot handle it. Um, so please write that letter and put a strong emphasis on um requesting a public meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Andrew Stein. And then Jen Parish. >> Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I know you have a difficult job. My name is Andrew Stein. I live in Southwest Palm Bay. I think you have to recognize that this is a public
property issue. The lagoon is public property. We are founded on a country of property from John Lockach. John Lock specifically said public property is a resource held in the common good by society. This
is who owns that. You don't own it and neither does Blue Origin. And I disagree with you when you tell me that we can't do anything because I read Trump versus CASA Casa. I beest the county attorney to file an injunction against Blue
Origin if you all believe that this should stop because this is an irreparable harm as you heard here today. And this county attorney could file that injunction not only against the state of Florida Environmental Protection Agency, but also against the
DEA. Why is it different in Trump versus CASA? It's a specific person. It's Blue Origin. It's not a universal injunction. If he doesn't want to file it, I'll file the injunction. I filed hundreds of them in my life. I've tried over 750 cases in
my life. I'm retired right now, but I'll file it for the people of this county because my daughter and I fish there about two or three times a week. We enjoy the Lagouna, not only to see the wildlife and not only to catch fish, which we don't eat, but because of the recreational purpose that it provides
us. I understand that Blue Origin wants to go ahead and dump their chemicals in there, but that's that's against the public purpose. It's against the people of this county. It's against the people of the state of Florida and it's against the United States. It is not only
against us, I believe it's criminal. And if you're going to engage in criminal activity, then just tell us now and we could all just leave and we could start a whole different petition because quite honestly, the county the county attorney could file an injunction. Let him read
Trump versus Casa. I've read it probably three times. And that's what I'm here for because look, we're a past we're we're past our prime, but our grandchildren and the people who come after us deserve a right to use that
public property. So, not only should we have a hearing, but I would ask you all to have the county attorney, who we're all paying for his salary to get the injunction started today. If you don't want to do it, if you if you don't want to do it, then
I'll go ahead and file the injunction myself. My name is Andrew D. Stein, Esquire. Thank you very much. >> Well, let's have our county attorney address that comment. I I I'm not an attorney, but I would assume you'd have to exhaust your administrative remedies
before you got a ruling. And to exhaust those remedies would probably begin with this public hearing. But >> that's correct. >> That's correct. >> I have a question about that. >> Yeah. >> Um, so [clears throat] that addresses this discharge, but what about the discharges that have been
happening for God only knows how long. >> I'm I'm What about them? >> So what about like what about all those discharges? like can we do anything about those or stopping any future discharges of the fresh water into into
our lagoon? Is there anything we could do to stop this from happening? >> Well, even when it's but when it's cleaned, we can't answer that in generalities. We'd have to talk about specific ones and in a lot of areas the state has preeemptions. So,
>> I guess I'm what I'm asking is what is our authority here? Well, I think I let's let's have you an opportunity to get that information. Maybe put your question in writing and give the attorney time to research that, but >> we have we still have cards. So, but the bottom line is this is a part of the
process to do that. This is an administrative hearing that we hope we can get and I think any court having been around a lot of these things would want to be sure that we've exhausted all administrative remedies prior to going to a court. Um, and this is part of
that. So, uh, Jen Parish. And then Sharon McDonald. Good evening. My name is Jennifer Parish. I'm a resident of Titusville and I'm a small business owner. So before listening to your u explanation of what
this actual agenda item and listening to some of the folks in the audience tonight, I I'm going to change what I'm I want to say today because after listening to your negotiation skills of picking a $12 million parking garage over saving people's homes, I'm
reluctant to know what your written request is going to look like to battle against the federal government because what I saw here tonight lacked the leadership that we need to stand up against the big boys. So I want to know
what is your strategic plan? What we've heard some fantastic ideas and some really devastating facts but you all some of you have been sitting on this dis for decades and we are the collateral damage of
this. The SER tax is the collateral damage of failed leadership. We are tired as business owners. Why do why would I want to destroy something? I want to keep it just blows my mind that
I would allow a big company to dump water into something where my employees live, thrive, and enjoy their lives. To not have a strategic plan is just mind-blowing. And to see that this is listed as new business when it's a
renewal. Just the the deception of facts of how you present it to us is so unfortunate. It it it just leaves me almost speechless. So, I'm I'm asking you tonight, have an open forum before you
request the meeting to actually have direction from some of the subject matter experts that came up here with their time and took the time out of their research and they've even worked in the industry or they live in the muck that you make them deal with every day
because of your failed decisions year after year. And then next time you guys stand in front of a committee or ask a voter for your vote, think about what that written request is going to be because it's not stopping. It's they're
just getting started. And it's not fair that the simple solution is to throw more money at the situation when you're not doing anything to fix it. So let me get this straight. They are brilliant enough to send rocket after rocket up into the sky, but they can't figure out
a better solution. because they're too cheap. That's exactly right. It's cheaper to just dump it and let us continuously pay for it over and over again. So, I'm asking you tonight, rather than push forward, make a motion to start the conversation with
the folks that have to deal with it or pay for it for a strategic plan. Thank you, >> Sharon. The last speaker, Sharon McDonald. Hello, I'm Sharon McDonald. Um, I just I was very upset hearing about the Blue
Origin, what's happening with the lagoon. I live directly on that waterway. [clears throat] When I bought about four and a half years ago, the water clarity was way different. I've got pictures where you could see the grain of sand. You could
see the blades on the grass growing underneath. I could see sheep head fish out the yingyang. We had dolphins gobbling them up all the time. Uh vast amounts of dolphins. I saw baby dolphins.
What I've realized is that the waste that's been going in all this time, I thought was a leak or a sewage thing, but now I realize that this waste water has been going on for the past four years. They've already had multiple violations. They've changed the pH in
the water. I can tell you now, every time I go out, you can't even see in the water. It is a brown murky green muck. There's no more grass. I have yet to have seen a fish in about a year. When
it was plentiful, you could see that it was thriving, that changes were being made or good with the lagoon. Now, it is just heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking to see the birds looking for fish to
eat. We had ospreys that had babies, came every year, dived down, got all that they needed. Nothing now. Nothing. I don't want my kids in the water. I don't want my dogs swimming in the water. When we have algae blooms, I
don't even want to sit on my back porch. Um, [clears throat] it's devastating when you've invested in a home on the water for millions. And I'll probably never get that back if you guys [clears throat] continue to let them pollute our waters.
Um, I want to fight this. I want people to care. It is supposed to be a federally protected sanctuary. It is the only one that exists in the state of Florida. It's where they go to have
their babies. You're stripping that. You're taking it away if you don't stand up for the lagoon. The lagoon doesn't flush. It is a stagnant body of water and when they put the waste water in it, it has
nowhere to go. It's just going to kill everything that's underneath it. So, I just hope that each and every one of you, whether you live on the water or not, that you just care. You care about the people that live there on Merit Island. You care about the water. you
care about your children. I don't want anybody getting sick. I mean, they've already talked about if you have a compromised immune system, you shouldn't be in it. So, I just hope you guys care enough to take this to the EPA, make it
happen. They have ways to treat all the water or find ways to do it and not dump it in the lagoon. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, that is our u our final card. Is there a discussion or a motion?
>> Um, Mr. Chair, >> yes. >> Thank you. Um, I have I have two things that uh we might add as as an amendment to this item if you would. Uh, one, I think we should send copies of our request to the legislative delegation.
So, I think they they should have that uh sent them to them directly so they can see that. I also think if we're [clears throat] going to uh request them to do a public meeting, I I think we should probably uh remove the barriers necessary for
them to do that as much as possible. And to that end, I would suggest um that we maybe even take it upon ourselves to contact Eastern Florida to see if um the meeting could be hosted at something
like the Simkins Center in Coco. I think that's closest large venue to uh Merit Island. So expecting them to say, "Okay, we're going to have a public meeting." And then for them to find the venue, um I think that's just an extra step. So
maybe if we if we do that on their behalf, um it would go a long way to them considering it. >> Okay, >> that those would be my two suggestions. >> And that's on the Coco BCC campus. Yes, sir. Right. >> Okay, there's a motion. Is there a second?
>> Second by >> question >> by Commissioner Atinson. A question by >> Commissioner Delaney. >> I um I I guess I want to re ask this question just because we have all all these people in the room. What exactly is our authority here?
And with the um Indian River Lagoon Act, does that give us any added authorities? >> Our authority right now with regard to the permit is to request a public meeting and submit comments within 30 days of the notice of publication. That's our authority.
>> Even with the Indian River Lagoon Act? >> Yes. >> You're a member. We pay $20,000 a year. >> And so since it's a a protected national estuary, how how have they been allowed to do
this for so long? And are you telling me that we don't have any authority to to do anything about it? I I'm telling you that right now our authority and what's before the board is to request a public meeting and submit comments within 30 days of the notice of
publication. And we're on the clock and we have to do that. >> I understand what you're saying. Anything else is bigger picture that we have to look at. And >> excuse me. What I'm saying is I understand what you're saying, but I'm asking in general I I'm sorry. This is this is personal.
We have people in this room right now that are cancer survivors. >> That's me. cancer survivors from the chemicals that are in our community. So, this is personal and I don't appreciate being spoken over.
[applause] >> You can laugh at me. I don't think anybody's speaking. I'm speaking I'm the chair. He did speak. >> Well, I'm speaking over your chair. I think we need to have decorum and courtesy and and I heard that. He's trying to answer your question. >> He's not. I [snorts] I might make
another point. We are not successful in achieving our ends by wasting our time. We have a process. The federal government has a pro and the process we are in right now. And I think that was the answer to your question is the D has a public hearing. I think you're going
to see this board. Well, there's a motion. I think you're going to see overwhelmingly we're going to ask them to have this public hearing. They they could deny they could deny our request. >> So, But but but this is what we need to do
now. And I think we'd be misleading the public if we were to say there was something else that we could do. What we have now is the ability to ask for I do have a question related to that. Um u Commissioner Felner and and the staff.
Are we asking staff to comment in the public hearing >> because I think they would need our approval to do so with with I'm hold on with the meeting that we're we're requesting of of D, >> right?
>> Um I >> Chris, they would have to agree to a public hearing before we ask staff to comment. So take one step at a time. >> I I think so. And um and and that's why I wanted to send um copies to the legislative delegation and suggest the um center. Uh I'll I'll say something
real quick just since I have the >> the governor too. >> Okay. I I would amend that to to send to the governor's office. Okay. Um very good. So, uh, but I I think, um, since the time frame here that we have to do this, um, uh, by December 18th, I think
it I think it is, you still have legislative session ahead of you. Okay. So, take this step and if they deny it, then potentially uh, petition the legislature during session. I think I think that would be the pragmatic way to
go forward with this issue. >> Can you do both at the same time? the well session is is after this. So session is January February. So I think if I know you didn't do card uh on on this
specifically, but I think if DP says back to us, no, we're not going to do this. I think that's a lot easier also after sending our letter right to the delegation to petition them to say, hey, look, this is where we are. This is what DP's response is. we we have a a
potential legislative fix or we'd like to see this or we'd like you to take that action. I think I think you just take those steps um would would be the proper way to do it. So, tonight let's let's send the letter um and suggest the
meeting and the venue and send copies to the delegation and Commissioner Goodson's friendly amendment to the uh to the governor. >> What What exactly is this letter going to say? It's requesting the public hearing. I think I think that's what
we're we're looking for. >> Could I make a a amendment or another motion after this motion that um we send some kind of statement from from this body um how how we feel as as a county
commission. >> I'll tell I'll tell you what I think we ought to do. Let's let's do the letter, okay? and and send that off and then in it's my suggestion in the next commission meeting you could have on the agenda a similar letter because I think we have one tonight um that we're going
to think about on board report right for uh to to send um a letter >> right a letter so I think that would give you time to draft a letter for the rest of the board to see it and then we could consider that at the next commission meeting >> I think it's
>> well I think that's a good idea I don't Well, I don't think No, I don't I don't have anything in front of us. I mean, in fairness, I just >> Jim, I see you waving over there. >> Yeah. Thanks, Mr. Chair. Virginia it because there's a little bit of a format in the letter. So, Virginia can highlight some of the uh the subjects we
put in the letter because um the the state requirements in order to request consider in making a decision about whether to hold that meeting um and identify rules or statutes that require reversal or modification
um of the department's action or proposed action. So the the in your packet were the comments that were submitted in 2002 to Blue Origin when they um submitted. So we would I
think at a minimum we would need to identify sort of those same facts of why D should have hold a public meeting. >> Stop me if I'm wrong, Regina. And in also in the package is a letter from 20
2022 and we asked for a similar um public hearing for I think was this SpaceX? >> Yes, SpaceX. >> And it talks about the impact of the lagoon. So we'd have similar different situation, similar format, similar language into it. So >> I I tell you what, Mr. Chair. >> Yes, sir. Uh I would split something
here with uh Commissioner Delaney. I don't see any reason why we couldn't send uh the public comments from this meeting. and just say here here are the comments that we received at our meeting along along with it and they've already done that on the record. Um I think it
take the staff uh >> it take a little time to to type it up but I think we could we could probably get that done. >> Yeah. I didn't want to steal thunder from the clerk but I I was going to ask >> was that would that be would you be amendable to that? >> Sure. >> I'll I'll also um write something up too
and you know I we could even assemble >> you can still continue to add things. I mean, for sure. We just we got a clock here and we want to make sure that we we're timely, right? So, I think >> is that So, should I restate that, sir? I just >> No, I think we got
>> I think Jim is waving us down. [laughter] >> I got to learn how to use the buttons. I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I'm sorry for I I just suggest you as commissioners can also send individual requests on your own, too. And anyone in the audience also, everyone here can submit written comments and their directions on doing
that in the notice that's attached to the agenda item for tonight's meeting. >> So, anyone in this can also send individual written comments to D. You just have to do it before December 8th. >> The address is available online >> in the agenda packet for this item. It's
the first attachment. I think it's the first attach. Yes. Uh the first attachment to this item is a published notice and it has the address the place you sent it to and it tells you about the format you have to put it in because there's certain there's certain information you have to provide to them uh when you make your comment. Uh but
you can do that individually. Everyone in this room can do that. >> Okay, great. That's good input. Okay. Um any other discussion on the motion? >> Oh, I'm not on the motion. I have questions. >> Okay. What question?
>> Questions for But that paperwork, the permit that we're talking about, it's not what people are looking at here. It is online. It's on the county commission calendar. It is for the meeting today
under J2. It's either the first, the second, or the third piece of paperwork. It [snorts] has all the instructions anybody needs. I recommend sharing, but it's not accurate. Can we make it more out there, more transparent? people are looking at their paperwork.
>> Well, the it's not there. >> But I appreciate you bringing up the website because that is extremely transparent and and anyone can go to the website and see that. Um, okay. Any other discussion? >> Is there any way that we could
>> um is there any way that we could maybe put that information on a Facebook post? that would make it really accessible for people and they wouldn't have to go through um the website >> or if the board gives us direction then we can do that. >> I Okay, I'll tell you what. We'll
include in the amendment that we take the notice that's right here on the other side and we're just going to put that on the county's Facebook page. Just that notice >> as it is here. >> Uh yeah, I mean we'll get with Don to figure out how to format it properly. Yes. >> All right. >> Include that in my amendment.
>> That's included in the motion. >> Okay. Yes. Uh, Commissioner, >> Commissioner Goodson, >> thank you. Uh, the only other way I guess they could get rid of this stuff is deep well injection. Correct. >> Correct.
>> Reuse >> or treatment and recycling. >> Okay. Recycling. Okay. Or >> I I'm going to ask I'm going to ask the audience. We've given gosh an hour of public input. We're now deliberating here, but not to shout out from that. It disrupts what we're trying our communication what we're trying to do.
If I >> Thank Thank you, Sure. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. >> Okay. Um Okay. Either reuse or deep well injection. Correct. >> All right. Probably deep well injection is too expensive. Is that their thoughts or would that be their thoughts? Being
the richest man in the world, that would be his thoughts, right? >> It's expensive. >> Okay. Well, Cocoa Beach does it, Port does it, you know, >> or county does it. >> Yeah. It's okay. So, uh, now the other issue I would just like to know, not that I would agree with this extension
of this permit. I don't like it because we're being taxed to clean it up and they're polluting it. So, therefore, I'm against all this. My question to you is this. How often do you, Bard County, check your outflow on Pine Island Road
as far as improprieties or sewage? How often you check that? We we don't do regular testing. >> So you we test we look at the volumes, right? We watch the volumes because the flooding issue, but we don't test the water quality on a regular basis.
>> Okay. Do they test the water quality? >> They test the water quality at the affluent at the end of the pipe, >> the outflow pipe into the lake. >> Outflow pipe into the storm water. >> What if it's bad? They cut it off. And
what do they they put that on pizza or something or what? >> No, they submit a report to DP stating what the what the values were, >> but they still pump it into the lake and then it overflows into the lagoon. >> Yes. >> Fantastic. I think they're doing a
wonderful job. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. All right. India. Uh, Commissioner Delaney >> Morris, could you get for us um more information about these these laws? um
the Indian River Lagoon Act, the um all the stuff about the N National Estuary, um what we're supposed to be, you know, what those acts are supposed to be protecting, what authorities um are put
into those laws, what um we need a briefing on this because the the there's got to something we can do to stop the pollution in our community.
So, I I'm just asking to look into these laws and see if there is anything, you know, that we could be doing that we're not. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay.
>> We have a motion on the table. And do we have we have a second by Commissioner Atinson. Any debate? >> No debate. All in favor signify by San Pos. Nay. Passes unanimously. Thank you so much and thank you for your coming
out. >> Okay, we're going to go back to the public hearings. We bifrocate our public hearing. We have one at the beginning and one at the end. and those who waited. Our first is uh Jason Bomb Balman Balman.
Is he still here? He's making his way up. Jason, let's give a little bit of time so we we can hear you. And our next speaker after Jason is Nancy Albrittain. All Britain.
>> Okay. So, I live on Brent Mau in the Westwood village there and moved in two years ago and it did flood back there. It flooded all the way up to my driveway. Um, they came they came a couple weeks later and cleaned out the ravine behind my house
which runs behind Brimower, Barber Street, and Darus Terrell. Uh when they did that, they pushed all the dirt up into the backyards. So then therefore my my yard would flood when it rains in the back. Um a year ago when they had a
hurricane come through, I don't remember which one it was. Uh knocked down some of the trees back there and now they're still in the ravine. The re ravine has not been cleared out in the two years since. Um so there is a lot of debris in there that does need to be cleaned out.
Um, and that's continuously all the way through to wherever it goes. I don't I don't know exactly. Um, so this time when it rained in October, it my house got took on a little bit of water. I said a little Dale Dale Barry
was here. He spoke earlier. He's my neighbor. He took on 18 in. I had just a little bit in my house, but my my shed is downhill. It's more of a carport kind of shed in the backyard. I had 20 ines in there. My car was parked in there
while I was out of town for a couple months. I actually flew back to take care of it. I had 6 in of water in the car uh above the floorboards. >> Wow. >> And had to take that apart. Had to had to clean all that up. I my pressure
washer, lawn mower, all that was completely submerged underwater. So, yes, this is a ongoing problem. Westwood Street looks like it's from up north where it's just full of potholes and at the corner of Bren Mau and Westwood and
also at the corner of Kirby and Bren Mau is constantly wet and hasn't rained in two weeks. You can drive there and see the water constantly flowing out of the yards and into the street. But yes, the potholes and all the patchwork that's been done, it's it's just bad. And
mainly one of the things we need is the ravines cleaned out. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. And Nancy Albert. Albert. >> Hi there. I'm Nancy Albritten and I want to talk to you about Roads and Bridges.
Roads and Bridges came by today to check to see if they were there to clean to get the evac truck to vacuum out the ditch. Well, come to find out, Roads and Bridges only has 17 people to maintain
all the way from the Bvard County line all the way down here. They have equated equipment that when it breaks, somebody from down here V R has to go all the way to Titusville to fix
their equipment. What happened is they're having a hard time cleaning this ditch out because when the machine goes down the ditch, it has a bucket. when they go to dump the bucket, they
dump it in people's yards instead of in a truck or something that they can put it in. So, everybody flooded out. Y'all nar Well, y'all, Roads and Bridges narrowed the ditch when they redid the ditch. I think it was five or seven
years ago because they put a new concrete, they put a new culvert in on Kirby Drive. They also put one from the lady Brianna Robinson's property that overflowed her pond overflowed. They put
it in the lady that spoke, Diane, in her backyard. The day of the rain, the neighbor that lived there cleaned that drain out. Yes, the water came fast and furious, but they couldn't all the debris,
everything. They the drains couldn't handle it from the pond overflowing. Not from the rain, from the ponds overflowing. I was very fortunate. My house did not get it, but it come down my driveway just
like a like a falls. Um, wanted to talk to you about that. One of our neighbors had to file bankruptcy because his house has been flooded twice. His newborn baby,
his new wife, they had to leave. Their car was in the parked in the road and the water came up from the houses so fast that it moved his car all the way to the culvert. It was terrible.
Um, 21 seconds. >> Oh, Wind Dixie was a mess. The Windixie parking lot. I came in in my husband's big four-wheel drive truck, and that's the only way I got in. He begged me not to come. I said, "I know that area. I've
been living there all my life. I've lived in this house 30 years. Twice I've seen this water. Please help us. >> Thank you, Amanda Holland.
I'll be quick. Um, I just wanted to comment about Turkey Creek and the overall uh preserves that we have. They are disappearing on a massive scale for overall real estate development. A lot of those areas have been reszoned as
commercial so that they can put in as many condos and apartments as they possibly can. I have now watched a good half I think of Turkey Creek near my home be completely demolished and all of the gopher turtles and other animals
that lived in that area, they didn't get an eviction notice. They're animals. They just got bulldozed. And as we know, gopher turtles are one of those endangered species that are vital for Florida as it burrows and allows other animals a place for them not only to
live in regular conditions, but also during fires and other things like that. So for us, losing those gopher turtles and those reserves is impacting our ecosystem on a massive scale. And I don't think we need any more of these, you know, cookie cutter houses that are
made out of wood that won't even deal with a hurricane. What we really need is to care about [snorts] our animals and what we already have. That sanctuary has been there probably even longer than Palm Bay as it stands. And we used the sub the shrub jays as a good way to go
ahead and keep them in there. But now they're looking at getting rid of the area over there on Malibar. They already have it closed where you can't walk through it. And I would hate to see Turkey Creek as a whole completely disappear as now we only have like maybe three small sections left. Um, at least
in my area. I'm sure it's a bit larger than what I'm thinking. But still, um, pretty much I just want to say I would really like us to see some kind of development in actually protecting those key systems that we have in our preserves like the overall gopher
turtles as there has been a lot of relocating of gopher turtles andor removal entirely that have just been met with fines. I think it would be better if we actually put in maybe more um restrictions against these corporations
where they cannot build in these areas where these gopher turtles live because those sanctuaries are vital and we have very small um pieces of them left. I I've watched at least three of them be bulldozed in just the last like five years and it it's very sad to me. And it
has changed not only the way that we um incur during hurricanes because the hurricanes now when they come through they no longer have that protection of that forestry that was cutting down the winds and the overall tornadoes and everything that we're getting. And ever
since then we have gotten more tornadoes more um devastating force wind forces that have came from those tor or those hurricanes due to the fact that we have lost this infrastructure of our sanctuaries. And I just wanted to go ahead and bring that up. Thank you guys.
>> Thank you. You know, we did make the acquisition for the Turkey Creek Sanctuary using environmental lands money this year in our budget. We increase bonding capacity for environmental lands and we probably will have we will have some debate about whether extend that program and the type
of things you want to protect. We that money can be used. So hopefully we get your support then too. Appreciate what you said. Okay, that is our meeting. Uh we will move on to uh board reports. Uh county manager.
>> Uh no board report, Mr. Chair. >> County attorney. >> No report, Mr. Chair. >> District one. >> Yes. Um so [clears throat] I I just wanted to put out there for everybody who's watching um just a reminder that
January 1st is when the SpeakUp Bard program opens up. Um, so we have about a month for everybody to get their ideas together and um get those things uh ready to submit. Um, and I'm I'm really
excited about this program and hopefully we can have another workshop this year if we can get um some board support to do that. Um, also um I just wanted to comment about something. Um earlier
there was some people who talked about having a public workshop to get input from the public about um how do we move forward with the space industry and like many people said we don't want the space industry to go anywhere but we just want
them to be good neighbors and um so I was I guess I feel like we need to get public input about how they want us to move forward with with that discussion. And so I'm
I'm proposing that I'm I'm proposing that we have a workshop to um get public input into that discussion. And I don't know if there's uh any support for that. >> I I think I'd like to see what the
response is to our letter. I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. And I'm sorry, sir. Uh uh the letter from the board uh requesting the public meeting. Um so I'm I'm not against you there. I'm just I I want to see how this plays out.
>> Okay. Yeah. Because I'm just thinking that you know that that meeting has to do with this issue, but there is so many things that are going on. I mean the the wastewater treatment plant discussion has kind of dissipated. the um
I had a a conversation with Space Florida and they filled me in on some uh dynamics that they have to deal with out on the space center and dealing with all the entities and um I really think that it's past time that we figure out how to
get Bard County Commissioners in a round table with the space industry so that you know there there's more um cohesiveness and that we can um you know get get on the same page for the future because like so many people said they're
operating in the 1950s you know with their infrastructure and some of the practices that are going on and so it's um that's just not going to work anymore. We have too many people here now. >> I I think um that's a good idea in the
long run. We do need to open that doll. probably ought to reach out to the Bvard EDC. We ought to reach out to Space Florida, but maybe we should wait uh tomorrow. Actually, they're going to begin the hearings for the um the confirmation of the the the new NASA
administrator. So, we don't even have an administrator to talk with, but let's look at that as we go on down the line and maybe give the chance the board to maybe give some additional input. But, I think it it does have merit. It's a big issue. It's huge. Um and it's very
important uh you know to our area to our country to our society. So um you know I think we should move forward but let's give it a little bit of time. >> I'm I'm done with my report. Thank you.
>> Okay. Uh district two, >> none other than the college football coaches are making millions of dollars. [laughter] God bless them. Haven't won a game yet. But no, I have no reports. >> Uh, well spoken as an FSU fan.
[laughter] >> I feel your I feel your pain, Commissioner. >> Uh, District Three, >> no report. >> No report. District 4. >> I'll say something uh quickly, Mr. Chairman. Uh, today uh I went to a
funeral in Indian River County um celebrating the life of Sergeant Terry Sweding Mashcow. 25year deputy who was shot over an eviction issue along with a locksmith
who was 76 years old also shot >> and uh another uh deputy uh Arispy I think uh let's say his name correct but he's also a 25-y year deputy he was shot in the shoulder as he uh defended um uh
his his partner and and the locksmith um in attend attendance today. The governor was there, the lieutenant governor, CFO Blae Angolia. There was about uh 3,500 people at a hanger in
Vero Beach. It was a very moving um tribute. U members of our law enforcement were there and also um fire rescue participated in um the honor guard. And so it was uh it was a very
moving um experience and she was [snorts] the second deputy in their 100year history uh to be killed in the line of duty. >> So um and as the sheriff said, of course that's too too many. Uh but uh it was it
was really uh I think uh [clears throat] it was well done and I know it was a very difficult thing for them down there. So, our hearts go out to everyone in Indian River County and certainly to their family. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Well, thank you for bringing that up and
thank you for attending. Okay, that is my report. I do have a letter that we've handed out. It's a letter that the TPO's requested that the county send to uh Secretary Duffy, the secretary of transportation
u in support of the um application submitted by the city of Coco and Space Coast Transportation Planning Authority for u the inner city passenger rail program project. Um,
and I just wanted to make sure the board knew that we were going to send that letter and get their approval. >> Do you need a motion, sir? And a second to >> Yes, that'd be great. >> For the for the board, I'll make I'll make the motion for you. >> I'll second a motion. Um, [snorts] and a second. Is there any discussion?
All in favor signify by saying yay. >> I. >> Motion passes. And we are u final item. I'll pass this out. we at the time as the new chair uh looking to make some board
appointments and I want I've got a list of the board appointments. Um first is a Central Florida Expressway Authority District 1's represented as our representative there. That's a two-year appointment. The Central Florida Regional Planning Council, I'd
like to appoint District Three as the alternate and myself as the member. The Economic Development Commission like to continue my role there to appoint myself as a member. The Election Chemisting Board uh would be district two and then
Daniel Stern would be the alternate. We're all members of the Florida Association of Counties rep, but we're not on the Florida Association. So, that's sort of a mute mute issue. Uh, the Indian River Lagoon Council would be district three.
District one would be a alternate Bvard Flag Valuchia Workforce Development Commission. That would be district four. Public safety coordinating council would be um
would be okay I'm getting yeah the district district 4 public safety council would be uh district 4 development council would would be district four as well and then
affordable housing advisory committee would be district three transportation planning I think of course as all of us that's automatic and the value adjustment board would be the same district three and district 5. Now there's only three of these we have to vote on. U the ones we have to vote on
is Bard Chemisty Board, the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee and the Value Adjustment Board. >> I have a question. >> So entertain turn a motion on >> I have a question. Um, so, um, which I understand if you
know you want to keep it the way it is, but, um, the Eastern Central Florida Regional Planning Council, um, I was serving on that last year and, you know, I just wanted to let you know that I'm willing to serve on that. I'm willing to continue to
serve on that. And I just didn't know, you know, with your schedules and um Commissioner Atinson's schedule if that would work for you guys to to serve on this board. I have no problem. I didn't miss one meeting. Um but I just wanted
to put that out there. >> We definitely appreciate your service there, but um looking forward to going back. I've served there before >> and I think Lee Constantine still on there. >> Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right, sir. >> Chairman. >> Uh, chairman.
>> Yes. >> May I This is totally something different, but I wanted to bring it to the board's attention. I'd like for staff. The value adjustment board just approved an 85 foot board of adjustment. Yeah. Approved
>> an 85 foot sign on state on 528 with no consideration to Myra or the board. I'd sure like to know if we can pull that and make them come back to us because 85 foot wide sign is pretty damn big.
Pretty big to advertise their parking for cruise lines. >> So, >> who did that? That wasn't the VAB that did that. >> No, >> it was the board of adjustments. >> Board of adjustments. Board of >> adjustments. They issued a ve ass a signed variance. >> Yeah. And so, uh,
>> do they have the do they have the rights to do that? They have the authority, but I've got an attorney in my office who works with Myra looking right now whether everything was done properly in accordance with u the code requirements. >> All right. Thank you, sir.
>> On that point, on that point, >> don't they have to demonstrate a hardship? >> I don't know what >> they do. That's one of six different criteria they have to establish at at the hearing before the board of adjustments. So, um, found out about this yesterday and we're looking at it
now just to make sure that they they met all the applicable criteria. >> Is it an existing Mr. Chair, is it an existing sign? >> No, >> but there is an existing I think it's a grandfather maybe non-conforming billboard at the site that that right
now has a Ron John's ad on it. But, uh, so I think the variance request so that it would be visible in relation to that is my understanding. >> You allow this to happen. You'll have you'll have every strip club each with a sign up. Okay.
>> Which I'll vote for that. >> No. Okay. Yes. Commissioner Atinson, >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the board appointments. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion second. Any discussion? >> All in favor signify by saying yay. Yay.
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