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had any exparte communication regarding any application, please disclose so now. All right. Before I asked for an approval of the PNZ minutes for March 16th, uh John, you had something you had a comment about last meeting. >> Yeah. I just, you know, on that tie vote
that we had for H3, I wondered if we could enter into the record the names of the of the board and how they voted. It's not on there. It just says a tie vote. >> Does that matter? >> Can I do it?
>> It's at the pleasure of the board. I mean, if you direct staff to include that in the message to the board of county commissioners, we'd be happy to do so, but it's not required. >> No, I understood that. I just wanted to know if the board would go along with my request. >> Reason,
>> is that a motion that needs a second? Is that what that is? I would second John's request. >> I didn't hear it in I didn't hear it in a motion. Was it a motion? >> I didn't hear a motion. >> Okay. I would like to add the names of the votes, the names of the parties that
voted. >> Well, Neil had a response to that. >> I was just curious just the reasoning. >> Um, I just wanted it in the record because we we did a hand vote rather than or a voice vote essentially rather than uh a roll call vote. And that was
my I neglected to do that to ask for a roll call vote. So, I would like it added to the record. Does the board members of the board does anyone have an issue with that? I mean, we've never done this before, so I mean, >> perfect.
>> I mean, I don't think there's a problem with doing it. I I would second that if that's a motion. >> Transparency. Why not? >> I mean, yeah, I mean, it's public record. Anybody can go back and watch it. So putting it in the record isn't >> that's why I was wondering why we needed to do this because it is public record
how it was voted >> because I'd like it in the record rather than just people watching the video at their own discretion. >> I don't have any major objection to it. I just don't see the reason. I don't see the purpose of it but I don't have major objection to it.
>> Okay. Just humor me if you don't mind. >> Do I need a motion on this staff? I need a motion in a second. >> Okay. I moved. You want to second? >> Seconded. >> Okay. All those in favor say I.
>> I have a question before we >> Are we taking your notes as to who we're reading into the Are you providing the names? I can if you if it's requested or staff can look at the video and do it for >> prefer that we get the uh names from staff than another board member and I
would vote yes. >> It's fine. >> Okay, we'll go back again. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Yeah. >> Do we need a hand count or did y'all get it? I believe I believe we got it with Mr.
Minibu in the negative. Yes, sir. >> Okay. I need a motion for the approval of the PNZ minutes from March 16th. >> Motion to approve. >> As amended. >> As amended. >> Second. >> I got a motion by Neil, a second by
John. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Any opposed? >> That pass unanimously. >> Item H1. Item H1 is Paul and G. Eric Derska being represented by Bruce Moya
>> or Kimra Zena. Request a zoning classification change from RU210 and RU 1111 to RU215 under application 25Z000062 located in district 1.
>> Good afternoon chairman, members of the planning and zoning board. My name is Kim Rosenka. I am not Bruce Moya with the law firm of Lacy Rosena. There has been an authorization put in for me uh for this application. This is a resoning of 18.07 acres for multifamily
apartments. Um the Derskas are here, Eric and Carrie representing the family. These are uh 12 15 parcels have been assembled over years and uh now they're wishing to sell to retire and travel. Um but they are here if you have any questions. Uh the uh contract purchaser
is Millstone Ventures LLC. Uh they are here as well to tell you a little bit about themselves and what they plan for this project. And Bruce Moya with MBV is the engineer of record who is here to answer any questions that may have come up from the staff report. There are few nuances that are unusual um but they're
environmental issues, but you may have questions. So um I'm going to bring up Andy Weatherford with Milstone Ventures LLC to tell you about Milstone and the proposed project. Uh good afternoon uh Mr. Chairman uh members of the planning and zoning board. Um just want to start by thanking
you for your time. >> Sir, if I could get your name and address for the record. >> Yeah, my name is uh Andy Weatherford. Um I'm the owner of Milstone Ventures. Uh we're the contract buyer for this property. Um my address is uh 9820 West
Point Drive in uh Indianapolis, Indiana. Um, so we wanted to just introduce myself, the project a little bit. Um, we brought our team here today to address uh any questions you might have. Um, but appreciate your consideration today. Um,
so my company, Milstone, uh, we're a small development shop out of Indianapolis. Uh, my business partner and I started the company in 2017. We've got about 25 employees and, uh, we're a vertically integrated development shop. Uh so what that means is uh everything
from planning and zoning through design construction and then property management once the um property's been developed all stays with my team. Um so we consider ourselves what we like to call a cradletograve development shop. Um so for every step of the process
through entitlements, design, construction and property management, um you know the advantage of working with my company, we think for the communities in which we build is there's one point of contact for every step of this project and that is me and my team. Um
you know the type of product that we like to build um we consider ourselves a luxury uh resort style community builder. Um so it's multif family product but high-end market finishes and amenities and um you know being vertically integrated. The advantage
that we believe we have is you know we control cost from the beginning with our design selections through construction with our construction company that we own and that allows us to deliver this elevated product that we can deliver for
our residents at market rate rental rates. Um, so we don't have to charge above what's market um, for the product that we build, but we do build an elevated product um, for the communities that we try to serve. Um, you know, we take a very targeted approach to our
projects. Um, we're down here for a reason. Um, following, you know, population growth, job growth that is happening here in Bard County. And, um, you know, we try to build where our product is needed and and wanted. Um we know that our reszone request um follows
a future comp plan for the area and you know what we're here to do is deliver some new housing stock in a community with a lot of job growth and population growth. And what we've been tracking is you know a minimal amount of new housing that's being delivered to the market
that's sort of needed to support the continued job growth um that's happening here in Bvard County. Um, you know, what we're seeing is with that job growth, there's quite a few um, members of the workforce that are commuting from
Orlando and other markets. And, you know, by delivering some some nice housing stock, what we're hoping to do is give those people uh, a reason to stay and keep those paychecks and and live, work, and play here in Bvard County. Um, that's what we're hoping to provide um, for this community. So
that's uh my opening bit as an introduction and I just want to thank you all for your consideration today. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> I'd like to talk a little bit about the area and the request. And I have a larger version of the map of the area because you all only get a very small
packet, a small map in the packet. >> I hate that we're supposed to study something different. this thing. >> Thank you, sir. As I mentioned, this is a resoning of 15 parcels that have been assembled by the
Durkos um since 1979. Uh majority of the parcels are zoned RU210 with a density cap of five units to the acre. The smaller parcels to the north are part of the Sun Valley Plat
from 19 55 and those are zoned RU 1111. Uh this development is intended to be closer to State Road 405. There are some wetlands to the back that will be avoided. All the wetlands will be avoided as this is residential property in Bvard County. All 18 acres have the
res 15 future land use that has been there as long as we know. So, at some point, the county's policy was this was to be multifamily. Um, the map that I have provided to you, uh, the red line that goes down the middle, that's Breezy Hill Lane. Uh,
that is the, uh, address of the Derska's homestead. To the north of there is the fire station and Florida TIFF land. And then to the north of that is a BCSO office. Uh what is not clear from in your packet is there are two apartment complexes to the north on the west side
of State Road 405. That's why I put those there. Uh they're older apartments. Summerh Hill Apartment is the more northern one. It was built in 2005. And then the it says WW Apartments on the Boulevard County website and that was built in 1985.
The new one at uh State Road 405 and State Road 407 is Milright and that was just opened this year uh phase one of that. So apartments are coming to this area. This is almost transitioning to a multifamily area and when you look at
your future land use all of this area on the east side of State Road 405 is residential 15. Um and also you can see the block of the 18 acres Uh the staff report states the primary
uses on State Road 40 or five are commercial office and government facilities uh and that the only new development is residential homes and apartments. However, it appears that this is more going towards multifamily on State Road 405.
The staff report also states this is undeveloped commercially zoned land when in essence this is undeveloped multifamilyzoned land. The preliminary concurrency says traffic will not cause a deficiency in the level of service by this development
of approximately 270 units maximum on 18 acres. There's no school concurrency issues. There's no material violations of any relevant comprehensive plan policies. There are environmental issues that were raised including a FEMA flood zone, a well and aquafer recharge. Those
are all site plan and engineering issues that will be discussed with staff and with Titusville if this is approved for resoning. With that, um, Mr. Moy is here if you have any questions regarding the environmental issues or any development
issues. And, uh, the Derskas are here too if you to ask them any questions. We're here to u to respond to anything you may want to know. before she leaves. Does anybody have any questions for Mr. Rosena?
And hold on one second. Miss Kim, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Kim, we're doing good. >> If that we would request the resoning to um RU215 as requested. >> Okay. >> Thank you,
>> Mr. Moya. Could you Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, how can I help you? >> Do we have any questions for the engineer? >> Yes, I have one after Ron's already, you know, I would expected John to have a couple of these. >> I look, I don't want you coming up here and not being asked anything. I mean,
>> I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Uh, you don't have a site plan, but could you give me an idea of what kind of buildings are going to be put on or how big they're going to be, how many there are? Are we talking about >> Yeah. No, we talking we're looking at threetory walkups is what we're looking
at. Um probably typical of what you see in in most other types of developments. Multi- you know units with you know mult multiple units with maybe 20 15 20 units in the building or more three stories high. >> Yes. There are going to be some uh
amenities like a pool and >> all the Yes. There will be a yeah there'll be a pretty hefty amenity package uh including clubhouse pool and activities for the residents. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. John, >> is there sewer in the area?
>> There is. This will be served by city of Titusville water and sewer. >> Very nice. Okay. Uh I noticed on the uh wetlands map that the entire north segment is wetlands. I wouldn't say the entire north segment, but there is that
northeastaster corner and there's a couple that are internal to the property. >> Yeah. The couple I'm not worried about. It's the um it's the one that's takes up most of that northern part of their site. >> Yeah. And being that it is residential, we we don't have the ability to impact
uh very many wetlands. Even if we did, we're proposing to avoid all wetland impacts. >> So, I just No, I just want to know you're not going to build on that area. No, that's part of a very large uh wetland system. So, I don't think that we would be allowed to build in there even if we wanted to. Um, not to mention that's part of a Titusville well field.
So, we we would not propose to impact that wetland at all. And we're not proposing to impact any of the existing on-site wetlands. Oh, >> okay. >> And definitely not the one to the east because that's a very large wetland system that would that's a very valuable wetland system that we would say on the east.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. extends way beyond our site boundaries. And >> yeah, that's not really only the one little corner there. Yeah, I was just concerned about the one just north of um Breezy Hill Lane. >> It seemed that it was a very large swath and I was just wondering you were only
going to develop that southern portion. >> Well, I think the the two other wetlands on the property are isolated. >> No, no, no. This is one big one >> that runs along the east. >> Can I interrupt? I think the NWI map first is what it's showing. So the GIS
mapping doesn't always match what the actual wetland lines are. So I think that's maybe the confusion. >> Yeah. >> No, there's no confusion. This is what I also looked it up on the on the website. See this kind of tan color? That's all wetlands. >> Blue is the wetland.
>> Blue is a lake. >> No, blue is the wetland. >> It says estuarian and marine wetland. I can read these. >> Okay. It's >> we we've had an environmental study done and it's this not that big. It's they're two isolated wetlands. That map is not accurate.
>> Well, that may be the case. >> Yes. >> Because I've found that in the past, too. >> Yes. >> So, you've done the survey? >> We have done a wet a environmental assessment of the property. >> Okay. So, somebody actually walked the site. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you. And just so you know too, we did have a
meeting with district one commission on this and um we didn't um really hear any specific u issues of concern just that you know we maybe uh make an effort to import uh uh use some le technology in the development of the property was one
of the biggest comments but there was no specific objection to this type of use in that area. >> Okay, >> Mr. Neil, here's some evidence. Whenever you're ready, Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve.
>> I I have questions. Sorry. Oh, >> looks like there's more questions. >> Yes. Um >> we're going to hold that motion. Ruth, go ahead. >> So, um Mr. Harder was talking about the wetlands, but above the wetlands is um is that aquaer recharge? >> Yes.
>> Which is why the wetlands filters down, goes out to the wetlands for the um Titusville wells. And my my concern is is when you develop out the re top of the recharge and you put apartments and and parking lots and whatnot there, it
hinders the amount of recharge that's happening. And while you're getting water from the city of Titusville, the city of Titusville can't even supply itself with more than twothirds of its own water because it gets it from unincorporated boulevard out by the county line. So developing out another
recharge area near their wellfield is likely or could burden North Bard and unincorporated with more water needs for the city of Titusville. How does that work? >> So um for one uh as far as it being a um aqua recharge that would we'd have to
get testing to show that that that it is just because the maps show that they have ox recharged soils does not necessarily mean it does. So wetlands usually aren't aquaer recharge soils, but some of the upland soils could be. Um, but we would comply with the because it is in the area of critical concern
for Titusville. So we will because we're getting utilities from the city, we will be complying with all their regulations regarding um uh recharge for that project. So that that's going to be one of the challenges is is meeting their requirements, but we will have to meet their requirements for recharge. >> I understand. I I I just I have
concerns. They already haven't managed it very well. and North Bard unincorporated North Bard pays that price um with their residents and their wells as they suck up that water. And the more burden that that puts on unincorporated Bvard, the less folks out
in unincorporated boulevard can use their well systems or have to continually drop wells because of saltwater intrusion and other things. And facilitating to make that problem worse is is a real concern. That's all. >> Thank you.
Any Any other questions? Ma'am, I'm sorry. We've I've already opened it for public comment. No one said anything, but any other questions for the engineer? Then I had a motion from Neil, a second by Ron. Is that correct? On item H1, all
those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Ruth. >> Okay. So that that item passed. >> Item H2. >> Item H2, JJ Ventures LLC, request a
zoning classification change from IU to BU2 under application 26 Z002 located in district 1. >> Is the applicant here?
Sir, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address, please. >> Home address or uh office address. >> You could use your office. That's fine. >> All right. My name is John Platt P like Paul Lat. Uh office address is 330
Williams Point Boulevard, Coco, Florida. >> And a little bit about what you're wanting to do. Final plans is we want to go to BU2 because we want to put up a hardware store along US1 with all the growth and the houses going in the back of that
industrial site that we have now. But immediate use is we would like to turn it into a parking lot for a boat and RV storage facility to generate some extra income while we work on putting the new hardware store on across US1.
We'd also right now Atlantic Wire and Rigging works out of 330 Williams Point Boulevard as well as JPR Motorsports and we'd like to move our both the companies from being on a Williams Point Boulevard to having US1 front access.
>> All right. While you're right there, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? >> Yes, ma'am. You can come on up. Sir, if you would just take a seat right there in the front row. >> Ma'am, you need to come up and you got
to state your name and address for the record if you want to speak. I'm sorry. >> Okay, sir, you can come on back up. All right. Well, I'm going to close it for public comment. And anyone on the board have
any questions for the applicant? Any idea how long you you expect uh time timewise between turning it into a storage facility and then turning it into a hardware store? >> That all depends on once we get
everything up and running what the final cost of the hardware store um is going to be. I have got one quote on doing that, but it also depends on some work we're doing at Atlantic Wire on contracts coming in versus contracts
going out. I am hoping within 3 years, but I don't know that to be 100% accurate. I'd like to get the the RV storage up and running now to help generate and get some things going, but my goal is to have the
RV storage parking lot in the back two parcels and having the hardware store and Atlantic Wire with JPR in the front parcel within three years. >> So per so the long-term plan is to keep some storage on the back section. say some it it also depends on how how large
Atlantic Wire and JPR gets within the next three years of being on US one front property versus being on a side street that no one knows that we're back there. We are a defense contractor for Loheed Martin in the aerospace industries of things that we do. So it all really depends on what they decide
they need from us is going to be decide how big of a facility that we put together. We've been back where we are now for a little over almost 30 years. 92 almost 30 years. And we've now outgrown that facility and I've rented some bays onto the east side of us. And
I'd like to put everything underneath one warehouse system. And the reason for going through BU2 is that light industrial would be fine, but I've been told if I want to put anything outside of the four walls of what we put up, it has to go to BU2 instead of light industrial. If I'm going to do that, I
might as well in the back parcels put uh RV and boat storage with all the houses going around us. They're putting up, I'm thinking between 6 and 800 houses right on the outside of our industrial park that we got now. And with way things are, they're going to need to have some
storage areas for themselves as well. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions for the applicant board? I need a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> Got a motion by Jared, a second by Neil
on item H2. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> That pass unanimously. >> Thank you all. Appreciate you. >> Thank you, sir. Item H3. Item H3 is
Kim say Marik family trust being represented by Kimra Zena requested zoning classification change from AU and GU to EU under application 26 Z003
located in district 2. Yeah, give them back to her. What should we have? >> Good afternoon, chairman, members of the planning and zoning board. My name is Kim Rosena with Lacy Rosena in Melbourne, Florida. I'm here on behalf of the Marsik Family Trust. Uh this is a
resoning of a split parcel of 1.87 acres. Again, I gave you a map just to put it into perspective. This is the map that's in your package, but with a little more information. Um the yellow highlighted area is the parcel that has split zoning. Both lots um are
non-conforming in size for the zoning and we're looking to fix that. Uh the uh Marcus Trust also owns the homestead to the east of the N7 acres that crosses over Indian River Drive. The AU parcel
is 1.44 acres. The GU parcel is 0.53. And just for perspective, to the north is the Bonsai Motel. I also placed on here to the south of this property, there's many single family homes. Um not exactly adjacent on
US1, but close to it. So this is somewhat of a mixeduse area. The future lane use of all of this um the future lane use to the west of US1 is NC and the future land use is
somewhat split for the parcel on the east side and that is res 4 and NC. No, I'm getting confused again. U the zoning of EU for all of us. Yes, it's NC and Resfor and the reasonzoning
um for AU from AU to EU will make this consistent with the future lane use and allow it to be a conforming lot. Uh the history of this is that William and Michelle Marcus purchased the house, the homestead in 1995 and then they purchased the other
property to be reszoned in 2001. Uh now William wishes to build a workshop and the land that they have isn't sufficient. So, we have to reszone the EU so we can add just a little bit of land to the homestead so we can build a workshop. And that's really the impetus for it. They didn't really want to
reszone it. They wanted to keep it AU. They don't intend to build. They're not they didn't go BU1 or anything like that. They're just trying to make it all consistent and conforming so they can add a little bit of property to configure it so they have the ability to put a workshop. uh the the uh parcel to
be reszoned is non-conforming in size for both of the zoning. This will create land that can be used for residential purposes and for Williams workshop. It's a simpler reasonzoning than most with a very altruistic purpose. There's only trying to make land conforming so they
can add a small little workshop for William. With that, I'd ask that you approve the resoning as requested. Kim, while you're right there, please. Is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Okay, seeing that, I'm going to close
that for public comment. I'm going to bring it back to the board, but this is an easy one for you here. I mean, what's going on? >> It's almost too easy. >> It It was a little confusing to figure out how to get where they wanted to get.
uh whether we needed a variance and this was just the simplest and fastest way to do it. >> I'm going to make a motion we approve. >> Second. >> Got a motion by Henry, a second by Jared on item H3. All those in favor say I.
>> I. >> Any opposed? >> Thank you. >> That pass unanimously. >> Don't get used to it, Kim. >> Yeah, I'll give you one day. Starting to think she owns an ink factory. >> Yeah. >> Okay. The item H4, please.
Item H4 is HQW LLC and HQW Homeowners Association Incorporated request a zoning classification change from EU1 and AU with a BDP to RVP and AU with a CUP and
removal of the BU of the BDP under application number 26Z00005 located in district one. >> Sir, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address, please for the record. >> Good afternoon. My name is John
Holmquist. H O L M Q U I S T. My address is 105 Stone Street in Coco, Florida, 32922. The address of the property we're discussing now is 5405 L520 or West King Street. Um
my brother and I acquired the property a couple years ago and we were trying to figure out the highest and best use. I don't see a way to click slides, but I have slides. I do have some hard copies. If someone wanted a hard copy, >> well, you need to clear that with staff over there. You can take that to them.
>> Okay. from there. Okay. So the property currently has a binding site plan of 40 single family homes which crowds around this uh 12 acre pond. Um we feel that that is not the
highest and best use of the property. Um people that are looking for this environment already have Vieiraa to go to uh and many other places where you can be in a neighborhood that's put together like this. Um what we would like to do is change the
northeast and west sides of the pond to RVP as shown by the uh civil engineer plans here. um and then return the southern portion of the property to uh agriculture. So the southern portion of
the property would be equestrian area and large pet friendly for the RV park. The RV park uh because we are seeking SBA funding has a 30-day maximum stay. Uh but once we clear that after speaking with uh uh Commissioner Delaney, she
suggested that we move it to a seasonal type of changeover uh as soon as possible because she's had issues before with a snowbird mentality coming down and wanting to stay put for more than one month period of time. Um
we have done all of the due diligence. Uh there is no wetlands. It's all high and dry. Our environmental study came back clean. Um, and so that's why we're requesting uh the zoning is put forth by our our final survey here.
>> All right, sir. While you're there, is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item? Yeah. >> Okay. Sir, if you could grab a seat there at the front and I'm we're going to let the
public have their comment. >> Sir, again, if you could state your name and spell your last name and your address for the record. >> My name is Bradley Sinclair. S I N C L A I R 4563 Coina Ridge Drive, Melbourne
32935. Um, sorry I'm not used to public speaking in front of y'all. So, um, I've never met Mr. Holquist. My wife and I own 25 acres to the west. We've owned it since 2000, I guess. And I know a lot of
history about this lake that Mr. Holquist may not even know. And I first of all want to say I don't have any objection to him developing it. It's his property and can do whatever he wants with it. But when they dug that lake, they dug it so
deep that they hit the aquifer and for years where they've been trying to sell it and I was trying to buy it, you know, over the years and the see that'd be the make the east side was all wetlands because the lake was overflowing all the
time and going that direction. So, at some point in the past, I'm not good with time. 5 10 years ago, one of the owners of the property dug a ditch. I don't know if you can see it, if it's on the survey there. It's be the west uh southwest
corner. dug a ditch there to drain the lake to lower the water level so that it wasn't overflowing so that eventually the wetlands would dry up and because he had ser had it surveyed and that was wetlands and so then eventually I guess maybe had it reserveed and again I I've
never met this gentleman and I'm not trying to put kosh on his development but I'm concerned about water because that's low land out there it's close to lake point set I don't know where this ditch goes to where this water drains to. I
don't know how much water is going there. But I noticed on the um survey they had that considered for water storm retention. I don't think I I don't know. I'm not I'm not an
engineer. I'm not any of that stuff. But I don't think you can be putting more water in that lake and then having to drain it out and then it goes out down the road and I guess eventually Lake Point set. I don't know where it goes. If you look at it from an aerial, you can tell because the water's blue. It's
a beautiful lake. I It's not like green like most of them are. So, there's there's all constantly water flowing. So, that's one concern I have. Second one is um sewer. If they're I know there's excuse me, sewer available along 520 and I'm assuming that they would be
required to hook up to sewer. And if that's the case, that's that's great. Um, I was concerned I and I'm sorry I'm not more prepared, but I just kind of glanced at this before I came in this morning and I saw that it's actually you could put 240 RV lots in there and I
know he's only asking for 36 I think it is. >> Um, but you know, I know how this stuff happens. You know, you get 36 and then well, you start getting you want to add some more and add some more and add some more. And I I don't know where you're going to put 240. I don't know if they're including the lake acreage to
put 240 in there or not, but um that's uh that would be a problem. And our property actually has an easement. Our only driveway to get into our property runs across their property and it's the easement coming in from 520 and our
water comes in there. And um I mean I'm kind of looking forward to if he does develop it, I'm sure he's going to put a nice driveway in there. still have a nice driveway, but um our water line runs under the driveway and that's been broken in the past over a couple times, not by him, but uh other people
and it >> lost a lot of water and cost a lot of money. So, um and I think that's about it. So, >> all right. Thank you, sir. >> You're welcome. >> Anyone else want to speak? your name and address, sir, and spell
your last name. >> My name is Jason Mattis, M-at T-S, and I live at uh 5200 Lake Poinset Road. My property uh butts right up to this back corner here of his prop of this guy's gentleman's uh plans to this property
here. So, u >> could you get a little closer to the microphone? Yeah. >> Yeah. What did you hear? Okay. Um I'm definitely uh this would be a bad idea 100%. Um not like you got what are you I don't
know. You're going to do uh septic tanks for every one of those people. I mean you're going to have sewage going into the ground right there. Um you got to cut down all that all those trees, all that wildlife. That's going to be gone.
Um, you know, I've spoke I've spoke with every single person that's touches that property that backs up to it. Um, everybody, nobody wants that that air. You got you're going to have you're going to have RV parks. So, you're going
to have multiple people from who knows where coming into Bard County. Who knows these who these people are. Not saying they're all going to be bad people, but they could be doing who knows what. Jumping our fences. Um Jim Skaggs, he
couldn't make it. Um but he's got bunch of cattle. Um he's uh got 16 acres on the south side of that property. So, you know, you're gonna have people messing with his cattle. you know, you people could jump
jump the fence, breaking into people's houses. You're it's it's not going to be a good idea. >> Okay. >> Um I know there's other other things I've wanted to say. Um
but you know, the uh just uh I don't know. It just wouldn't be a good idea. It's not going to be a good idea for the Oh, it's going to lower the uh property value 100%. >> Okay. Well, thank you, sir.
>> on all of our houses. >> So, >> he stood up first. He got He got ahead of you. >> All right. going together. You might have a duo act going. >> Well, if anyone else wants to speak, if
you could come down to this front row, it'd make it a little quicker for us, too. >> He wants to go home. >> I guess he was. Name is John Patillo. I'm at uh last name is spelled P A T T I
L L O. I'm at 5170 Lake Point Set Road. I butt up to the east side of where this property is. Um, I guess there's not much more to say than has already been said. You know, zoning is there for a reason and the fact that we can just come up here and
say let's change a zoning makes it more of a suggestion, not a zoning restriction. Um, is there going to be sewage or is there going to be septic? >> It's connected to Coco at 520. >> Okay. To the sewage. Sir, you he's gonna
he'll have time later to speak. >> Okay. Well, I just didn't I didn't know how to comment, but but my concern was there is aquifer there. You know, it's and we already have aquifer problems throughout the whole entire state of Florida. They're robbing. Everybody's border the aquifers. And, you know, people are still using the old um black
tank um deodorant that some of them contained fromhide, which was, you know, made illegal by the EPA, but there people are still using them. You know, I have an RV. I've stayed in a ton of RV parks my whole life and it's not something we want in our backyard. You know, we have
a zone. We we we moved there because of the zoning restrictions. I think all of us here, you know, want privacy and to have a suggestion, you know, it needs to be a zoning restriction in my word. That's all I have to say.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thanks. You're such a gentleman. You're letting everyone go ahead of you there. I >> I don't know if certain people that have known me for a while would make that claim, but I do appreciate your uh confidence, sir. >> All right. Your name and address, and
please spell your last name for the record. >> My name is Skip Parish. P A R R I SH. I live at 5250 King Street. So, I am essentially across the street from part of this property. I am not inherently against this and I do want to put that
out there. You are trying to do something that you feel is best for your your property. We've been on this property. My parents bought it when I was very small. My first memory is in a feature that is I still see in my house every day. Every morning when I wake up, I see this
corner hutch that's still built into the wood in my living room. And there has been a lot of things as development has gone on west of 95 out by us that has affected us. 520 getting
getting widened and 520 getting the median. We have flooded much more ever since that on the north side of 520 out there between Friday road 524. They put on our property during the year of the three storms when we got flooded in for
almost a week. They actually put a drain going into the culvert that they had covered in that area. Now, I don't know if his his stuff is going to affect any water coming over to our side cuz it's got across the highway, but some of the
businesses that are already out there west of 95 don't even have turn lanes. People are pulling already. The RV park or the RV sales place down the road is already blocking up traffic as people travel westbound towards us towards
Orlando. There's no turn lane for that. Is there going to be a turn lane for this? I can tell you as somebody that's been in that neighborhood since the 70s and there's people that have been there longer than me and my family. People that don't have gates are probably going to put up gates. Y'all are going to get
a lot of petitions, a lot more requests for um the word is escaping me right now, but you know, permission for adding on security features out there. This is a this is a mom and pop neighborhood.
This is a bedroom neighborhood out there. I know we're a little bit rural out there, but >> we just kind of want to see what's know what's going on before we see this go through is most of what I'm trying to say. Thank you, sir. Ma'am, would you like to come up and
speak? You know the rec. You know the drill. Now, you got to state your name and address and spell your last name for the record, please. >> Yes, sir. My name is Jennifer Harris and my address is 3549 Turnbull Road in
Mims, Florida. And my last name is spelled H A R R I S. Um, I live in the north side, the north district, and um, I've lived here all my life. I have
noticed recently a way, um, a very, um, strong increase of overdevelopment in our area. Um, I don't know why, but it's being approved to pretty much build
everywhere. All of the woods are being destroyed. most of the wildlife has nowhere to go. And if you live in these areas, you see it firsthand. Also, the pollution in Titusville, they're not able to even handle their own
infrastructure um to be able to build more there, more apartments. Um just did you forget about the Surell project even? you know, they're trying now to clean up the water, to clean up all that muck out there, and now we want
to introduce more. It just it really doesn't make sense. Um the places that are wild really need to be preserved, especially if it's surrounded by everyone. The people in the community who you're serving are against it. It
just um I would like you to take in consideration on destroying any more properties with woods, please. Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Is there anyone else want to speak for
or against this item? It's going to be your last chance. I'm going to close it to public comment. Okay, it's closed. Sir, come on back up, please. >> Anyone on the board have any questions for the applicant? >> I have a I have a couple.
>> Mr. Neil, go ahead. >> I re I recognized you first. I'll get with you, Mr. Robert, >> to confirm you're um you're going to be connected to Cocoa Sewer. It's not going to be on septic for the park. >> There will be no septics. It will be connected to Coco sewer and water >> and um
>> FPL for electricity. >> You said 36 >> RV sites. >> 36 RV sites with a possibility of four cabins. >> Okay. And uh any any amenities on site? >> Um there will be amenities on See if I can back this up.
where you see the north uh west corner of the pond, we're looking to put a a small amount of amenities there, including a a swim spa. Uh and then on the northeast corner, a a dog run.
>> Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Robert, >> I covered my questions. >> Oh, okay. Mr. Ron, sorry. One second. >> Correct. Ron, could you get next to that mic, please, sir?
>> There we go. Okay. You plan 36 lots. >> That's correct. >> Um, could you put that in a BDB binding development plan to limit it to 36? >> Yes, no problem. As you see, we already have the civil engineering for that. >> Okay, good. Thank you. Uh now do you
envision these RVers bringing their own horses? >> I do. >> Okay. >> One of the things about this, if I may explain a bit, is um you it's you you're not allowed to travel with horses overnight. Um with South M South um
Wellington and some other large equestrian areas, this is sort of a spot that people could stop along the way. Also, there's a lot of trails that have horse access in Bard County. Um, this is a place that people could come to with their horses, unload their horses on in
our pasture and at our stables um and then use the facilities that BVAR County has for that type of activity. In addition, we are in between RV World and Coco Kennel. Uh so people that are travel with large animals in an RV could
stop, keep their animals in our area, uh maybe bring their animals to Coco Kennel and then enjoy the amenities in Orlando without their large animal as they travel. Um and if I can, I have a uh retorts for all the people that have spoke here today. I am very happy to
hear their concerns. Um I'm a Bvard County school teacher. I have property in Canal Groves off of Satellite Boulevard. for lack of better words, these are my people and I love hearing their concerns. I'm not, you know, for lack of better words, a developer from Indiana coming in here to make some money and run off. I I've been here
since 1989 and my brother and I think this is the best use of this property in lie of building another 40 houses slammed in around this thing. Um, and then like I said, if I may, I could quickly address those concerns. >> No, you can go ahead. >> Okay. So, number one, we already
discussed we're not going to be doing um septic sewer. Next, um, uh, an easement was put forth, uh, with Bard County that was shown already, um, several years ago for the drainage to come off of this pond. Um, the engineer is looking at
ways to use the pond for the water retention, but that would be only for the property that we're using, our own property. Um and the roads going in will be using millings to make sure that they're horse friendly. So we're not putting in um major roadways per se for
this development for the RV park. Um also because this was a borrow pit as he stated before back in the '9s uh and they did uh have uh it filled with water and we do have fresh water flowing. Um
the area was completely taken out back in the 90s. All the vegetation that is there now is invasive uh Brazilian pepper trees that will be taken out and I'll be bringing palm trees and other um scrub oaks from our my property off of Satellite Boulevard in Canaveral Groves
to make this a wooded area again with Florida natural vegetation. Also, the majority of residential agricultural properties that touch this property, we're changing that portion of our property back to agriculture. All right. So, the RVs themselves are going
to be kept uh against the sides of the pond that are further away from the majority of the residents that have residential agriculture. Um it'll be against the properties that are commercial uh except for uh Sinclair, which is known as Sinclair Equestrian.
Um I have not sto spoken with Mr. Sinclair here. I've spoken with his uh daughter and his son-in-law that live on the premises. very good rapport with them and with the stuff that they're doing there. Um, and I want to make sure that his easement, his access, it stays,
>> right? >> So, what we're really trying to do is minimize the impact. Uh, the future land use on this is also R15. So, if someone from again Indiana came in here, they could be pushing that to put in 15 units per acre and we're trying to prevent that. >> That's a good point.
>> Mr. Chairman, I have a question. >> Can I ask a question? Anna was >> so you had mentioned the equestrian component to that. Can you explain to me where that's going to be on here >> and like what that consists of? >> So we're looking at putting in a 16 unit
barn here. And as you see this line here does go up against Sinclair Equestrian. Their barn is over here in their pasture. So we'll we're going to be fenced and separate from them. Um, I have spoke to his son-in-law about possible collaboration since they do have all that in the future if they want
to do that. But at this time, we're saying self-contained. Once these Brazilian peppers are removed from here, we're going to put in natural visation from Florida and have that as horse uh pasture and trails. >> Sir, hold on. Now, you had a chance to
speak. I'm sorry, but now we got to keep it back to just here. Well, we can't. I'm sorry because that we've had a chance to speak and now he gets a chance to speak and then we need to take a vote. >> No, I've already closed it for public
comment. >> Go ahead, sir. >> The the dark line is our horse trails around the park and back. That's all I was pointing out. >> Okay. So, my question So, you talked about being an RV park. I have horses. I've grown up with horses my whole life. I'm very familiar with trailering them.
I wouldn't want to trailer it with a an RV to be honest. So, is there a component where you I have seen folks trailer with an RV? Um, are there going to be spaces that are longer to accommodate that? Are you expecting to be a truck and a
I'm sort of struggling with that. Are you expecting to be >> all the spaces through here are pullth through? >> That's why we have the onelane road on the other side. Um, and then this is going to be actually a drive around so that you can drop the horse off and come around. Um, and honestly this is our
this is equestrian friendly. We understand the market today. I work closely with Happy Horse and Amber Acres with the the things that I have going on um outside of this and we understand not it's not a huge component
but it can be if it was available. It's just it's not a big thing today, but we want it to be available. >> When my brother drove across country, there was a horse motel in Arizona uh that worked the same way. You'd come in, drop off your horse, then come back around. Um and there are people, especially out of Wellington, that do
have RV horse trailers as one component. >> They're not cheap, but yeah, >> they normally drive all the way through. >> And they normally drive all the way through that. Yeah, it's possible. >> Yeah. Thank you. Yes. >> I think Robert had a question a while back.
>> John was Yeah, we I got with Robert. >> Yeah. >> Uh the RV sites, are they going to be uh hardened? >> Um millings. >> Millings only, not concrete. >> No. Yeah. We don't want to go concrete with large animals and horses. So, we're
we're going to maintain millings only. >> Okay. I'm talking about the pads for the RV vehicles >> that I need to discuss again with the civil engineer. But >> what do you prefer? You're the developer here. >> I prefer not. I want to keep it as
natural as possible. But if code mandates that we have to go hard slab, then we will. >> Okay. Now, from what my colleague over here just said, do do people trail from the RV their horses or do they have a
pickup truck as a separate vehicle and they use that to trail? Usually with this type of movement, I will see a fifth wheel trailer that has a camper trailer with one or two horse um components to it that would be pulled
behind like a a one ton truck or a 3/4 ton truck. >> So where are they going to park? >> Same locations. >> So they'll park in an RV stall. >> Correct. >> Okay. Which limits you to 35? >> Well, still 36, but yeah.
>> 36. Yeah. So, I mean, you're going to have RVs and then you're going to have pickup trucks, >> correct? >> So, you're going to have both. >> Yeah. We We'll be basically renting by location, not what they bring in. >> Yeah. But if they don't fit, what are you going to do?
>> I don't see we're going to have a size. >> I mean, it has nothing to do with zoning. It just I'm just curious how you were laying out. >> Yeah. It's going to be 200 feet between the uh in ingress and egress roads to the park. So, unless their trailer and truck is over 200 feet.
>> Well, that's why I was asking because I didn't know. And I I see the the the pads that you have here. >> Are they going to be long enough to accommodate an RV plus a pickup? >> Yes, definitely. >> And where are the trailers going to go? >> The trailers. >> That is the RV. >> That's the RV. >> Yes.
>> It's a truck pulling a trailer. The trailer's got like a little bunk house in it and then the horses in the back like a toy hauler but with horses, right? Yes. >> Good description. What's a what's a toy holder? >> Oh, you're not a redneck. That's the problem.
>> I don't think so. No. Okay. I was just curious about that. Are you going to do any equestrian events on this property? >> Not on this property, per se. This is a place that people >> I'm really concerned about this. >> Bring and then leave. >> Okay. Do your stuff and then come back. Yeah.
>> Okay. bring your horse here, stay overnight, and then go to the, you know, the ring in North Merit Island or go to the event in Ocala on your way or what what it may be. This >> and can people ride on their horses around this site >> on the the trail areas? >> The black lines?
>> Yeah, the green dark green line would be the trail uh for that. Yes. >> Okay. >> And pasture areas. >> All right. Anything about horse waste or anything that we need to know about? I just standard with the the barn. >> Okay. You're not dump it in the pond.
That is the aquifer. >> Not at all. No. Okay. >> No. We we love the pond. We want to keep the pond clean. We have we're going to have a no motor policy. You know, we we may be allowing um canoes, but we're not going to be allowing any
type of, you know, fuel type. >> So, you're not going to have a service station there for them to refuel? >> No. RV World's right up the road. and >> okay, >> so is Sam's Club. >> All right, thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Neil,
>> are you going to have um any restrictions on age of the RVs? Um some of the some of the RV resorts are if they're over 10 years old, you have to send a picture of your RV for them to let you bring it in. Are you going to have any restrictions on what's allowed
to come into your RV park? >> We want to make sure that they can come in and come and and go out again. So that has been discussed. I I don't like putting a a hard restriction on um simply because I drive an older vehicle and it's it runs well. So as long as it
can be maintained. Um but yeah, that has come up in conversation. There are some we also discussed having as a 55 and up. Um, there is one up in Valuchia County that does have those same restrictions, 10-year RV and 55 and up for the people coming in, but we feel the equestrian
component and the agriculture component um would sort of deem you know younger people as well and you know a little bit older equipment but yeah it has to be functional. You you can put an age restriction and then require that they
provide pictures. >> True. >> Um to to um to bring it in. >> Yeah. Mr. >> My turn. Okay. >> I um >> youn um I can I can sympathize with the folks
that live around here. Um the thing the thing that I'm thinking is if if you don't build an equestrian friendly resort here, the next guy will try to be putting apartments in here. So um kind of just have to think about all that. Now Ron asked about
uh a BDP that would limit your um capacity. I suppose the amount of spaces. Um, I wonder if there's any sort of agreement that um that you could come to as far as some kind of barrier
between the neighbors and where the RVs are going to be, whether it's a like a opaque fence or or landscape barrier of some sort. Have you looked into any of that at all? >> Yes, we definitely want to maintain at the very least a landscape barrier because we also want to maintain the
noise reduction for our side. We are hearing 520 and 95 uh at this location. Currently, there is it's an invasive species, but I love the pine trees that are there. So, the pine trees stay. Um you could see on the imaging here that there's a pine tree line that basically
circles the or blocks in the property that stays, but all the Brazilian peppers on there will be coming off. And we'll be putting in um hopefully more palms. I have a a palm gentleman off of Outback and satellite that uh wants to that I can have bring in palm trees. We
want more palm trees. Uh >> what about um so no fence? >> We're going to be putting in horse fencing um along the agricultural side. >> Okay. >> And that's our current. >> So I I guess the the portion I'm thinking about is the east side.
>> Okay. >> Because the the south side is going to be it's going to be there's not going to be any RVs parked there. That's going to be horses walking around, right? >> Correct. >> So, I'm I'm thinking for the folks on the east side. >> Yeah, we we need to fence it regardless
with So, if it's opaque or not, I'd prefer opaque, actually. >> Yeah. Okay. I mean, you can't you can't you can't make everybody happy, but maybe there's some sort of compromise there that you guys could come to. It's just a thought, and I don't know if that's something to mention in a BDP or
not. That's kind of getting down into the weeds. No, I and just to put that out there, I don't mind going with the BDP because we're trying to stay away from another 15 units per acre coming in here specifically, let alone there's already a a binding site plan for 40 houses. That's going to be 80 cars
coming and going and this is actually going to be much less traffic, >> right? >> A lot lower impact, >> right? Yeah. I mean, the potential exists for a lot worse than this. That's That's kind of my my point, but still.
Okay. All right. I'm done. Thank you. >> I have one more. >> Mr. Ron already had his hand up. >> Give it to him. >> Uh, couple more questions. Uh, uh, you said >> you get near your mic, Ron. >> Uh, where is the barn? You said, but I
didn't hear you. >> It's the yellow square that's on the part that's already currently agriculture. >> The west west end on the west. Oh, okay. >> The southwest corner. Yes. >> Uh, and how big is that barn? How many
stalls? >> Uh, we're planning on 16 at this time. >> Okay. Uh, is it going to be used for storing feed as well as and maintenance equipment as well as horses? >> Uh, we'll have that sort of separate but part of the same barn system. Yes.
>> Okay. Uh, are you going to have your own horses that are available for rent? That's something that we're going back and forth with the idea of how much the insurance would cost on that. We want to do that. We would love to do that. There
are some great facilities off of um the causeway on the way to Port St. John. There's some nice riding. We'd like to make that available, but we're not sure if we can get past the insurance portion of that. If we can
once we're established and you know the cash flow is there, we want to bring that to the public. Yes. >> Okay. And will you allow residents in the area to use the horse uh horse horse barn trails? >> Yes. >> So they don't they won't have to be
bringing an RV to your place and staying there overnight in order to use those facilities. >> Correct. >> Okay. Very good. >> Thank you, >> Mr. John. >> Yeah. Just one quick one. Did I understand you to say that you're going to talk to the highway department
regarding a a curb cut? Because >> we've already spoken with the highway department. It is not required. We still want to put one in just because of the size of the RVs. >> I I would think that um just the fact that the break in the median is further to east of your entry that you would
need to have them cut back that median so that they can make a left turn if they're heading west on 520. We had a preliminary with FDOT and we want to do more than they're requiring of us at this point. >> Okay. Otherwise, it's going to be a nightmare.
Okay. Thank you. >> I saw your finger. >> Well, I'm prepared to make a motion to approve this with a BDP for 36 sites. >> Second. >> Got a motion from Neil on item H3. A
second by Ruth with a BDP for 36 sites. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> That passed unanimously. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Chair. I just wanted to clarify one thing. Is it 36 RV sites? I heard you
say four cabin sites possibly. Is that in addition to the 36? >> Yeah, it's a possibility. If you look on here, you'll see the four squares on each side. That would be the discussed locations for cabins. So, I think the motion would need to reflect the BDP 36.
>> I'm fine. I'm fine with 36 RV sites in the four cabins. >> It's actually four on each side. >> Yeah. Coming back to people that are traveling with that don't have an RV, we wanted to have some spots for that. Yeah. >> Did we get that man?
>> Sir, with all due respect, y'all had the chance to speak. This is the and But now I know more information about this and I'm going to speak again because everybody >> you have a chance go to the county commissioner go to the county commissioners meeting
>> and that we're an advisory board. The county commissioners are going to make the finer final decision on this. So uh and that's going to happen uh >> May 7th May 7th at 5:00 in the same room. So, do
>> I will clarify my motion to uh approve with a BDP of 36 RV sites and eight cabins. >> Yes, sir. >> Are we good on the second? Ruth, you're still good. >> Cabins or four? >> Eight. >> It's eight. It's four and two. >> Four on each side.
>> Four on each side. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> Call the motion. >> Call the motion. >> Call the motion. vote. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed?
>> That passed unanimously. >> I >> Item H5. Item H5, request for recommendations, amendments to chapter 62, article 6, zoning regulations to allow up to six
chickens within certain single family detach residential zoning classifications creating chapter 62, article 6, permitted with condition section 62-1835.3.5 entitled farm animals and foul
Is the applicant here? >> You or have the applicant? >> I'm sorry. I'm still watching out there for the record. >> I'm just going to come forward. >> It's all your fault, Darcy. >> I know. I'm I'm looking. I'm just
>> Henry's got >> Sorry about that. Go ahead, Mr. Henry. >> That's right. How do we determine since I know nothing about chickens, how do we determine that six chickens is the most suitable for a residential
home? >> So last year during the July 22nd board of county commissioners meeting, they approved for the legislative intent to move forward. This idea was originally brought about by Commissioner Delaney uh
six chickens. I believe that they they came to that conclusion because they have heard feedback that it was difficult to buy certain number of chickens and that six would be the ideal number that you could purchase
>> in the future. If somebody wants 10, they're going to come back here. This one would allow them six on any single family size lot. If they want more than that, then they
need to have a particular size lot and go in a different directions. This is just an additional option to our code. It doesn't delete anything that's already existing. So, if somebody has 10 acres,
>> if someone has 10 acres, depending on what their um zoning is, if they have AU or one of the rural zoning classifications, they could do a CUP for chickens. Um if they have um at least a
half an acre, they can do four chickens for every half acre and then go from there. >> Okay. I knew nothing about chickens other than Chick-fil-A. >> So, I just was order Ruth. >> Ruth, go ahead.
>> Thank you. >> Um, on page, >> do you have a microphone? Ruth, >> sorry about that. Um on page two um at the bottom number one in parenthesis a completed application accompanied by required fees
as established by the by board of county commissioners. Is that just because they haven't established fees yet or we don't know what that fee will look like? >> Is that on the zoning ordinance part on the ordinance? >> Um it's what I printed off of um legisar
for the or um draft ordinance. Yes, your answer would be correct because it hasn't the fee hasn't been established yet. >> Okay. And um I have more questions. Number two, a recorded deed showing ownership of the subject property.
Three, if applicant is not the owner of the subject property, a written authorization to act on behalf of the owner of the subject property. Um what was the thought process behind that? I'm just I'm curious because I'm and please do correct me if I'm wrong.
You could have a back porch full of squawking parrots that annoy your neighbors. You can have aggressive dog breeds. You can do all kinds of numerous things with animals that will annoy your neighbors, but not I don't believe that's required for any other air type of animal. So why are we requiring it
for chickens? >> Is this is an administrative approval? It's no different from any other application that we take in where we request the deed and authorization to act if they're not the property owner. So, it's because it's an administrative
approval. It's an application they're applying for. >> Okay. I I can I can understand that. Um, number five, a signed affidavit to consent from all adjacent property owners for up to six chickens to be kept, raised, and slaughtered for personal non-commercial uses on the
subject property. I did my due diligence the best I could and and I'm going to freely admit I did not search out every single county or or city or municipality within the state of Florida, but I did do my due diligence. A good 30 minutes to an hour of searching trying to find
any other municipality or city that requires this and I came up with Winter Park and Coral Gables out of the entire state. Valuchia County. Um, they require that you notify your neighbors, but it's not consent from
your neighbors. Again, we don't require consent to own a dog or squawking parrots or and I like parrots. Nothing against parents. Just making a point. Don't worry. Um, why why do we have it's not it's not the standard is what I'm
saying. So, for our admin our administrative waiverss, when you're um asking for uh administrative waivers to setbacks, we do ask that you um get a signed affidavit from all of your neighbors. So, again, it is something
that we have in our processes right now, but also we're here for you to give us recommendations to take to the board. So, if that's one of your recommendations that that shouldn't be required, >> I I'm not a huge fan of that, >> especially six because most people have
um four neighbors. >> Um so, now you're going I I don't know. I just think it's inviting trouble. Um again, you can have you could have any type of mastiff, and I'm not saying any of course any kind of aggressive dog that could they maul they maul children
and and other animals. Um I just um I find it burdensome to homeowners. >> Yeah. I think the idea there was to get to know your neighbors. Let your neighbors know what you intend to do so that they're comfortable with it. But again, this is, you know, your
recommendation and we could forward that. Um my my other thought was um >> cuz I read through a lot of other county and and city ordinances >> and um none of them appeared that I saw to be quite as strict on the coupe area
and what I what something that is very much liked is um >> because you can buy smaller coups and a lot of people do this. They buy the smaller coups from like Tractor Supply. You get a hurricane coming. take those coops and they put them right in their garages with their chickens and they
protect them in that manner. Um, and like I think it's the city of Titusville among others, they they allow you to have these coops and then you have to have a private like a privacy fence in order to free range your chickens >> because the six foot they're not
generally going to fly over a sixoot privacy fence. And in in that case, your neighbors are unlikely to even know that you have chickens. Mhm. >> Okay. Um, county staff did research all 67 counties um for their codes on this
and I can't tell you how many municipalities codes including Titusville and Coco and Palm Bay. Um, Orlando was one of them that we looked at as well. Um, so some of the what we have in here is kind of modeled off of
other codes that are in existence. I gotcha. Um I just my main sticking point is number five. Um having to get consent from your neighbors. I think that's a little heavy.
>> Yeah. One second. >> Are we allowed to move forward with it with the recommendation of removing something? >> Absolutely. You are. You can remove >> I don't like that either. You bought the property clearly.
You want chicken? Let's get chicken. >> I got Neil ahead of you. Mr. Neil, >> you've been ahead of me all day. >> I I have. I got here before you, so I'm ahead of you. Ruth, just a question. You're okay with notification, just not consent. Correct. >> Um, I would concede to notification. Quite frankly, I don't think it's your neighbor's business. >> Okay. All right. I was I wanted to
clarify where you were coming from because I don't disagree. >> Mr. Don't >> um what's the minimum lot size that this would affect? >> There would be no minimum lot size. Whatever your minimum lot size you have to meet for your zoning, but you can
have a 50 by 75 foot wide lot. Mom, >> be able to do this. >> How about an apartment? My joke. You did my joke. >> This is I'm sorry. He said it's foul. >> That was his joke. I want credit for my joke. >> Yes.
Yeah, >> let's get going. >> I just wanted to make sure that the the caveat here is that this would only be in district one. This would not be in any of the other district districts and it would be as according to her boundary
January 1st, 2026. >> The district, >> correct? The district boundary. >> What about multif family projects that are going up there? >> No multif family. >> No. So that's excluded in this >> data. It says it says certain single family detached residential zoning
classifications. It doesn't say anything multi. >> Okay. So if somebody has an eighth of an acre lot, they could have chickens. >> Yes. >> Okay. No roosters, right? The roosters have been roosters. >> Nope. >> Okay.
>> Watch the water. >> I can see I know more about chickens than you do. If when everybody's done, I'll make a motion if everybody >> can't hear you. >> Ron's got one. >> Oh, go ahead. >> Mr. Ron,
>> uh, just as a reminder, the BCAC recommended denial. Um, just for, you know, for you guys to think about, >> DC, >> who' you'd say? >> Building construction advisory committee.
>> BCAC. >> All right. Anyway, they saw it and they recommended denial. U and my question, well, to start with, my question is is why are we the emphasis was to to increase the number of chickens from four to six? Why
didn't we simply do that and leave the rest of the and and leave it all alone? I'm fine with that. I think that's a good idea. putting us all this putting these chickens into >> close residential lots and there are a
lot of lots that we have recently approved that are neighborhood of 50 feet wide 60 ft wide those lots are way too small the chickens are they're just too close uh I know that there are coups that you can
buy but the problem is that that's a chicken is a is a is a magnet for predators, you know, whether that's going to be snakes, coyotes, bobcats, coons, they all and and and all of those will prey
on pets that people have and running around their property. Uh I just I just don't think this is a good idea at all for all the for all the residential lots. I think we should have left it the way it is and simply the only change
made was increase the number of chickens from four to six. >> Uh another another question I had was we're allowing slaughtering of these chickens. Uh to me that is something in in yards
that are so small. You're going to put a you're going to uh put a pot of boiling water on the out in the backyard and cut the head off the chicken and let it run around for a little while and then dump it in. That
uh that itself is a terrible smell. Burning feathers is what you really get. >> Oh, I like that smell. >> Oh, I love it. I can't smell it. >> It is gross. I'm just I'm just totally against against this and except for just increasing the number.
>> How many um >> Ron I had Ruth ahead of you. I'm sorry. >> Oh, she didn't take the mic back. >> Well, she had her hand up. >> Oh, okay. Share over here. >> Okay. So, I can think I can answer part of Mr. Barter's question. Um, and if I
remember correctly, it was a quarter acre lot. And because of the way the zoning sat, or maybe I was wrong on the lot size, but this person, these people were only allowed to have one chicken based on the way that it was, if I remember correctly. >> If you have less than a half an acre,
you can have one chicken. >> Correct? >> Half an acre or more, you can have full. >> Okay. So, it was less than it was less than that. And you can have one chicken. Chicken are flock animals. Flock animals mean that they flock together. So having one chicken isolated by itself is seen as cruel. That is why places like
Tractor Supply, you have at least my Tractor Supply where I go, requires you to buy a minimum of four chickens. So unless you find somewhere else to buy the chicken and how and if you're going to supply your family with eggs, because that's what most people do with them, how are you going to supply your family
with eggs with one chicken that lays one egg sometimes? Because they don't lay every single day of the year during molting, which is several months long. I'll give I I'll give a little overview. Um they don't lay at all hardly. So you will get no eggs. So they're allowed to have one chicken that may supply them
with 200 eggs a year maybe for a whole family. That's that's so people are wanting to be able to feed their families and raise them. Second of all, while back in the day, yes, and I will try and be gentle
here, they used to do it in a much cru crudder fashion of how you butcher chickens. I would recommend maybe they want to put some language in there about using a cone for slaughtering. Um, nothing runs around. Your meat is better. But when you slaughter an older
hen, it's not for meat. And furthermore, chickens run chickens have a whole lifespan. They do not lay eggs their entire lifespan. So you give somebody four chickens or six chickens and it quits laying and now they have that chicken for another two to three years or however long before the chicken
passes away and it's no longer producing eggs. Generally what happens with those chickens is they end up dumped out in my area. I'll tell you that um what was just described about them going into a stockp happens when they get dumped out
in my area as well. Um because nobody can have all of these chickens that people so allowing them to slaughter them. It allows people and I know many people who do this. It's an older chicken. You make bone broth. It is extremely nutritionally dense
>> and it is a good solid product for your family. Therefore, you're not just knocking it off and throwing it into the garbage can to make it somebody else's problem. It has been fully utilized from beginning to end for your family's needs. And I'm free to answer answer questions
because yes, I um live on agricultural land. >> I heart chickens sticker. I would wear it. >> That's >> I love my chickens. I call them my followers because when you walk through the yard, they all flock behind you. >> I know they kind of become pets. My sister's got a bunch and they all
>> Some of them do do pets, but some people can't afford. They need to be able to have the eggs. And so the option to be able to provide more food for your family and replenish your stock at the same time. >> Is there a cost associated with having
chickens? Is that part of this? Cuz I didn't sorry like a like any kind of fee. >> Do the fee hasn't been established yet. That would be established when it goes before the commission. I would I don't I'm not opposed to
Ruth's idea about uh notifying the neighbors as opposed to getting their permission as a concession. And I would also just support there not being a fee for having chickens in your yard. That would be my input on this whenever
there's a motion made. >> I'm going to wait on Ruth to make that motion. But >> I have a comment before >> Mr. Robert. >> Yes. Uh, this is only applying to district one. >> Correct. >> If it's good for district one, shouldn't
we have it apply to all the districts? >> That wasn't a direction from the board of county commissioners. >> The board directed this ordinance be just for the district one commission boundaries. >> I see. >> Was there somebody else's question?
>> Yeah, John had a question. >> Yeah. Um, you guys are not going to believe this, but I worked on a farm for two and a half years in Nebraska. We used to take old laying hens and we did uh dispose of them by making broth that like she said, what is the disposal
process that people would use that have these chickens when they if it's for eggs and they age out, how are they going to dispose of them? Take them to the dump, throw them in the trash? That's one question. The other one is uh has anybody contacted humane society
about this that you know what their regulations or what are their um what do they feel should be restrictions on families that own chickens and how they are to provide housing for them and feeding them and you know taking care of
them on their land. And the third thing is, you know, we had this big egg shortage last year and it was because of bird flu and so they slaughtered all the chickens in the country and that's why all the prices went up and um will bird
flu get into the district one and wipe everything out and you know it could be a problem. >> We would take that chance in district one. I second just >> I can say from my entire a lot of us
have chickens out where I live including all of my neighbors and while the rest of the country slaughtered their chickens for bird flu and other things I haven't seen that anywhere in district one in my area >> and and if I may um John um Mr. Mr.
Hobgner, we also have it in here that we would like people to participate in the EFIS class uh backyard chickens. So that that will teach them how to maintain and care for their chickens and their property. Um >> but is that a requirement or is it just
a suggestion? >> It would be a requirement if it passes the way that it is now. If there's no modification to that, that would be a requirement of that AA. >> Okay. And then also um
as far as waving the um fees for this, there is fees associated there there's a cost associated with reviewing the administrative approval. You know there's staff costs. So if you're waving the fees and you're saying you know this is a free thing then you know those that
staff cost has to come from somewhere. So just to keep that in mind. >> How about district 1's budget? All right. Um, can I make a motion? >> We just don't ask. >> Yes, we just >> I'd like to make a motion to approve to
recommend approval of this um with removing um number five, a signed affidavit of consent from all adjacent property owners. >> Second. >> Okay. Item H5. We have a motion by Ruth,
a second by Jared. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Nay. >> Mr. Ron opposed. >> I would like to thank Ruth for the chicken education because I learned a lot there. >> I'm so sorry.
>> No, I I mean I sincerely I I mean that. >> Okay. Item H6. >> Item H6. Again, we request recommendation for amendments to chapter 102, article 2, business tax receipt and
repealing and re reserving section 62-1155 zoning approval for business tax receipt, approval of home occupations. >> Mr. Chairman, >> yes, sir. Joan, >> when I read this, I was, you know, I
thought, oh, no big deal. We don't know anything about taxes and we don't really care. But taking the zoning parting part out of it is a little problematic. Uh if people are running businesses in their homes uh and they have trucks or they
have equipment that becomes an eyesore in the neighborhood and code enforcement doesn't do their job that there should be some sort of a linkage allowing the zoning to be to be kept not taken out. I
I think we should um let it remain. I I there was an HVAC guy that I knew that used to have all of his HVAC units in front of his house and you know and the neighbors you know they tried to fight it and they couldn't and and I've seen
that with plumbers they do all kinds of things in their uh in their doiciles and it's not just like an office business you know it's storage of equipment so I I would like to see that left in there and not take the zone
counting out. Thank you. >> Yes, Ruth. >> Um, question for sec. I realize that the reason for this change is to comply with state law. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Is there a way to implement a tracking
of this even? Well, it goes through, but to be able to track it, and I agree with um Mr. Huffgardner, it becomes very I understand we have to comply with state law, but if we're tracking it, we're tracking problems. And I say that because um
I'll use so sorry I'll use the land illegal land um issues that have been going on in North Bard as an example. There is a disconnect between the constitutional offices and planning and zoning that allows for illegal land land
to be illegally reszoned and slide through the cracks in district one. And so because there's there's not a mechanism that currently has fixed that. So when we remove these things, again, I understand it's matching state law, but
is there a way to put in tracking to um be able to know when there's going to be problems? Um because really it's quite backwards. Um you're not going to know what's going on until the complaints are coming in. And to be blunt about it,
code enforcement is quite limited on I mean the person has to be wanting to comply with code enforcement to for code enforcement to be effective. So coming in on the back end of things, again I realize it's state law, but is there some type of tracking mechanism that we can implement to help this process and
understand how it is going to affect and maybe get ahead of some things? So the um tax collector's office um has a tracking system where they we can get updates about you know what BTRs are
being approved. However, as you stated um code enforcement is reactive, not proactive. That would take um quite a bit of staff time to be able to go through each one. Also, we do get
those reports quarterly um from the tax collector's office. >> Um does state law still allow for limits on noise, parking, and safety or has it done away with all of it? >> No, we're not preempted in that way, but
you know, we are preempted that we can't prohibit certain homebased businesses. So, um, but they still have to meet the performance, uh, standards, you know, for noise and pollution, smoke, all of those things, parking,
>> cuz I don't know. I just I find it troublesome. Um, I know that there's a lot of businesses going on in private neighborhoods. I know there's full-on garages with testing vehicles around the neighborhood, among a million other things. And it it's really difficult because you put in a code enforcement
claim um case and then you get retaliated against. So this seems I I don't know what the answer is, but this seems like a free-for-all. >> I'm wide open. I don't like it.
>> Well, we're not up at the state level. >> I know we're not. That's They're there to fight. We're We're an advisory board, right? >> So, I I I don't like us. >> I didn't get a second. >> Do we have another motion?
>> You got a motion? >> I just made a motion to deny >> to deny it. microphone. >> Huh? >> Okay, we have a motion by Ron on item H6 to deny. >> No, John.
>> John, sorry. And a second by Robert. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I. >> We going to have a roll call vote. >> No, it's just one.
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