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it's 3:00 if everyone would please stand and Mr Jared if you would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repu for which it stands one nation
under God indivis withy this is the Planning and Zoning Board SL looc planning agency it's an Advisory Board which makes recommendations to the County Commissioners who will make the final decision on these items items
H3 H5 and H7 are LPA items items on today's agenda will be heard by the County Commission on April 3rd 2025 at 5:00 pm when a motion ends in any kind of a split vote a roll call
vote may be taken to ensure accuracy as a reminder each member who makes a mo motion or a second needs to turn their microphone on so that your voice is on the record speakers for public comment on agenda items will be given three
minutes at this time if any board member has had any expart communication regarding any application please disclose so now all right I need a motion for approval of pnz minutes from February 17 2025
so move I second it okay got a motion by Logan a second by Erica all those in favor say I I I any opposed that passed unanimously Miss
Trina good afternoon item H1 Isabella Zimmerman and Mike sa sapala request a change in zoning classification from gu to AGR under application 24z 0065 located in District
1 is the applicant here ma'am if you could come up to the podium and if you could get as close as you could to the microphone state your name and address for the record hi my name is Isabella Zimmerman
and we are at 5660 Merit Street Mims and a little bit about what you're wanting to do we are looking to change our zoning from General use to agricultural in order to build a house and just raise some lifestock and have um a small Nursery uh we are just trying to match
our zoning to our future land use which is already agricultural all right is it is there anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item seeing that I bring it back to the board do we have any questions for Miss
Isabella I'm going to need a motion can I make a motion to approve second who was this who was that Miss Ruth okay we got a motion by Ruth a second we've got a second by Anna all those in favor say I I any
opposed that passed unanimously thank you thank you all right good luck at the County Commission meeting item H2 please Nicholas Duffy requests a change in zoning classification from bu1 to bu2
under application 24z 000071 located in District 3 is the applicant here sir same thing if you could get next to the microphone and state your name and address for the record yes my
name is Nicholas Duffy uh address is 9475 Fleming Grant Road Sebastian Florida and a little bit about what you're wanting to do I'm trying to change the zoning from all indoor storage to indoor outdoor storage for boats and
RVs speak for or against this item for or against this item all right seeing that I bring it back to the board do we have any questions for the applicant well I see that this has been done
before um the uh zoning changed but it's always been done with a binding development plan um so I'm wondering are you thinking about putting the binding development plan on there as well yes ma'am perfect were there any specifications
for your bdp uh I believe they wanted to have a building in front that way you could do outdoor storage behind that any questions got something come on are you saving it yes okay I need a
motion please board Mr chair make a motion sorry yes ma'am Mr motion would include if what you're asking is to limit the be2 uses to outside storage RV and boats
okay yes so the motion would be to for approval with the bdp the same as the prior bdps that we have that restrict the bu2 to outdoor boat and RV storage
great so we have a motion for approval from Erica I need a second I'll second second I'll second we got too many I already got Henry I got a second by Henry all those in favor say
I any opposed that passed unanimously thank you very much thank you sir item H3 item H3 and H4 I'll read into the record together however they're going to need separate recommendations the Lily songer trust
represented by Thomas songer Rec request a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment under 24 s20 to change the fature land use designation from uh AG uh agricultural to Res one under
application 24 SS 000020 and located in District 1 item H4 the Lily songer trust represented by Thomas songer request a change in zoning classification from Au and RR
h12 RR mh1 under application 24z 0070 also locate district one okay is the applicant here okay here again if you could get as close as you could to the microphone
state your name and address for the record my name is Thomas songer and I live at uh 1101 Newburn Street Northeast Palm Bay Florida my name is Tony cook I live at 5180 Harrison road Mims Florida and I'm
representing the laa songer trust I have a notorized paper staff do you already have copies of that or uh we can take it and make it part of the record thank you and a little bit sir about what
you're wanting to do well I'd like to um move a mobile home out uh adjacent to my mom's property there and um live next to her and this is my brother-in-law Tony cook all right while you're there give
me one second anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this item all right seeing that I bring it back to the staff to the board do we have any questions for the applicant I'm going to need a motion
then I need I have questions for staff okay go ahead Miss Ruth um this property is it it's located within the MIM small area area study Ruth could you get a little closer there you go is this property located
within the M small area study I not quite sure if it is I don't see that it's noted in the staff comments that it is but that's something that I can get back to you on I'm I'm pretty sure it is and and when we do these study like the county does these
studies um are they in-depth studies like and they affect the change of the future land use I do know that some of the M small area study did have some um changes that were made to some of the area but not
the entire mems it didn't affect the entirety of the mems area I just want to make sure I'm right I believe this was um part of the MIM small area study and this area in particular was denoted in changed for the future land use maps to change it to
agricultural mhm and for it to stay agricultural it it is currently agricultural on a future land use um however there is a res one that is located the South West corner or
Southwest of this subject property was that property that way prior to the Mims small area study when the future land use changed or before 1998 88 when the comp plan came into effect or was it done and changed after it was changed in
2016 okay and so then my next question becomes if we keep changing these to Res one under changing the future land use then the next applicant comes up and he asks for the same exact thing and then before long we don't have any more
agricultural future land use is that how that works there's a so there's not the majority of this area is still Zone agricultural so I wouldn't really categorize this as being a development
Trend at this time I do see that you know with one res one being located in the area of course it could continue as a trend um but there's nothing to say that at
well um and I forget my memory this isn't specifically in a flood zone area cuz I know that road right next to it goes underwater every hurricane mhm give me one moment to respond if you
will please no problem okay say it again there are some Wetlands on the property noted by natural resources um and the survey also denotes um some Wetland area on it as well about a third
of the property has Wetlands on it okay I got a question for staff so with the current zoning they're only allowed to one mobile home that is correct so they need to change the zoning to allow the
second is that correct yes and so that's what's happening there I I I understand that's permitted they're going to get past Miss Darcy back there and environmental um if there's no if nobody
has else has any questions I would like to make a motion okay I'd like to make a motion to deny this is a 9 acre parcel we're talking about it's just not two acres or three I understand that um and we have
mobile homes going in all around us specific address right near where they 5385 Harrison Road that's okay we've got a motion I'm waiting on a second and if we do not get a second does anyone want to Second this
I'll second Greg I don't know who was first you were I think we're at the same time he can have it okay we got a motion by Ruth Ruth to deny item H3 we got a second by Greg all those in
favor say I I I so we only have two oh sorry all those oos opposed oos Mr chair I believe it was three in favor of that motion okay I missed some oh Jared I'm
sorry so you denied I did yes sir and Greg and Ruth so we had three denied the rest were opposed okay thank you and we'll need a second motion now I'll need a second motion I'll move to approve
to approve I need a second I'll second it I got a motion by John a second by Melissa to approve items age3 all those in favor say I I any opposed I
I the opposed against Ruth Greg and Jared so that did pass but good luck with the County Commissioners you still have to vote on the second item the resoning that was for the future land
exchange okay my bad H4 item H4 I'm going to need another motion motion to deny second we have a motion by Ruth a second by Jared to deny on item
H4 all those to deny say I I is that still the same three Jared Greg and Ruth okay I'll need another motion you need to have a no vote we need a vote on the opposition to
that yes sir so it's three to seven yes the same okay thank you correct I'll move to approve that's a new motion can I just ask a question before we vote on this was that out we're we're
already in the voting process I'm going to need a second to approve I'll second I got a motion by John to approve item H4 a second by Henry all those in favor say I I I any
opposed I the same oppos Greg Jared and Ruth but that did pass thank you I guess we're done you're done next item please the next item H5 and H6 um are
companion applications I'll read them into the record together but they'll need a separate recommendation City Point Landfield LLC being represented it by Kimberly rosenka request a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to change
the future land use designation from res one res 2 res 4 and NC to CC and res 4 under application 24 SS 00009 located in District 1 item H6 City
Point Landfill LLC being represented by Kimberly renka request to change in zoning classification from EU and RP with an existing bdp to PUD with removal
of existing bdp under application 24 PUD 00003 located in district one and I know the applicants here uh thank you chairman members of the Planning and Zoning Board my name is Kim renka with Lacy lions renka in
rockage Florida here with me also is Bruce Moy of mbv who can answer any engineering questions he also is familiar with the traffic report if anyone has questions on that item um we're here today actually on three items it is the uh future land use the
resoning to PUD and the removal of The Binding development plan what I've handed you everything is already in the record I just figured it was easier to talk through it with it in front of us and not having to go back and forth between the papers you have or it's on the laptop the only difference is the last page is the park
Chester um plat that's in the public record at plat book 18 page 114 just for reference if it comes up because I believe there are several people in the audience that um live where that flat is located so uh to start this is um in uh
North Bard County it's a Bard County it's got a jur got a zip code of Coco but it's a unincorporated bevard County it is a piece of property that's been vacant for a very long time the uh concept is to put single
family homes town homes and RV storage uh completely enclosed RV storage just to let you know it's it's not clear and I've already been asked that question today it is going to exit for the most part off of A1A and then there will be a small exit off of River
Road just for parking for the residents to enjoy the amenity of the river there will be no housing that will be accessed from River Road you have the aerial map on page one of what I've provided to you you have the current future land use map
it is a uh mix of different future land uses you have res 2 on the river which is somewhat unusual you would think that would be the lowest residential land use along the river but then it goes to Res one in the Middle with an EU zoning which is inconsistent and then it has
the neighborhood commercial on the West Side adjacent to Highway 1 what we're here asking for is that uh the the pink portion the NC to go to community commercial with a little bit that goes into the res one uh to make it so it can
function better the res one to go to Res 4 the res 4 will stay the res 4 and then that small little res two would go to Res 4 also um currently with the future Lane uses as it sits
there is about 6.44 Acres of res one 4.2 Acres of res 4 almost half an acre of res 2 if you actually calculated that out there could be 22 homes built on this what we're asking for is 19 Homes
single family 11 and then eight town homes a PUD is to encourage different types of Housing Development and mix it with commercial institutional and that's exactly what this PUD does but first with the future land use the idea is to make it consistent and then to put a PUD
the community commercial is needed to have the RV storage and again and then as you can see below that is the diagram of what exists now also it's unclear but that little strip on the river that is also res 4 so for the flu that uh Community
commercial request is 1.91 Acres and then um completely changing all the rest of it going to the east to Res 4 is 10.94 Acres the staff report for the future land use says that residential for can
be considered consistent and there are no deficiencies in this adopted level of service and that there's adequate wreck Space by the PDP regarding uh future land used element policy 1.7a this is adjacent of the res 4 both
on the property itself and to the uh North and South so it is adjacent to Res 4 so it is it is proper or at least permissible to change to Res 4 again the staff report says that there are 43 potential uh lots that could be
developed with this flu change but this is going to be limited by the PDP to 19 since there is a PDP we don't need a bdp binding development plan because everything is encompassed within the PDP also staff report the administrative
policy said this is consistent with the character of the area it's consistent with the residential neighborhoods and it's also uh consistent because of the storage facility and packaged ice house that's been constructed in the area in the past 3 years as to school
concurrency there is sufficient capacity for the future land use Amendment uh turning to page five this is the PDP required for the Pud zoning and it shows the layout the
single family homes 11 are about 10,000 square feet which is 23 of an acre which is very consistent with the park Chester subdivision to the north it matches almost identically actually some of these 10,000 ft homes will be bigger
than the Lots adjacent to the north slightly uh there is a 15t buffer there's also a passive open space uh next to that buffer so the buffer is being kept around this which is what the old bdp had was a 15ft
buffer this will actually be a little bit bigger because of that tract it also has the eight town homes which are single family homes attached which will be platted and under single ownership they're not to be rented then you have the uh proposed storm water you have the walking trail you have the walking trail
all the way over to the Indian River and that's the amenity you'll see that track C is going to be a conservation area that's where the Wetland is and it will not be impacted except minorly for the boardwalk um below that you have the zoning as it currently exists turning to
page six you have the color rendering of what this is going to look like so you can see the consistency with Park Chester to the north to uh the north where the town homes are that is property owned um by
Ron hows which many of you may know him from the St John's River Water Management District board he has a very unique 8 Acres adjacent to it is a small house but that's where his agricultural use is for the most part and you'll see the um the RV
enclosed RV storage on uh US1 there finally as to exhibit seven you'll see the um Wetland and the conservation area and the impacts that will be had to that and then page eight is the park
Chester Subdivision plat if you're interested in that uh the Pud zoning is for the entire 12.86 Acres the PDP plan uh provided in your information gives you the number of
units 11 single family eight multif family the gross density of 1.48 units to the acre uh the roads the residential use the storm water the wetlands 2.36 Acres common usable open space is just over 4 Acres you have passive open space
you have buffers of 1.76 and the RV storage of 1.62 there's also phasing in that um PDP narrative um phase one is the residential and phase two is intended to be the commercial according to the staff report
uh the Pud is to encourage planned residential range of residential types as well as um industrial commercial and institutional uses it allows the flexibility because of the size and shape of this property with that Wetland on the East side this is the way to spread the density and make the entire
property more usable there are no concurrency issues there's been some concerns raised in emails about traffic this will have a minor impact on traffic and again it's on on US1 it'll increase traffic by
62% and it will have um US1 will have a maximum value a maximum allowable value of 65% with this increase with the PDP the lot sies are comparable to the ones to the north the staff report says that the lot sizes are
comparable with those within a half mile of the property and that references also the town homes the proposed uses are compatible with the surrounding area also the staff report says the proposed common open space features and
RV storage provide compatibil compatible complementary features in accordance with adjacent neighborhood character that's a quote from the staff report I want to talk a little bit about the PD bdp from 2008 um if you look at that and you've
been provided it again in the emails that were sent to you it's easier to find probably than in your packet if you look at the last page of that PDP bdp binding development plan it only applies to the middle 7even Acres it's a little confusing it seems from the staff report
it applies to it all but the exhibit and the legal description says it's to that middle Seven Acres so that seven acres was supposed to have seven units that seven acres in the middle will now have 11 units um again it is still less dense than what could be under the allowable
future land use right now uh the U bdp says um that there's going to be a 15ft natural buffer on the exterior of the subdivision there will be a buffer I don't know if it's going to be natural as you all know with development once you get there and you start doing the drainage in the storm
water because this isn't fully engineered yet they'll try to leave the trees if they can but there's no guarantee that they can but there will be a buffer and then there'll be another tract next to that buffer between the development and park Chester uh the number of lots not to exceed
seven now it'll be 11 but it still spread density um she have no access to park Chester subdivision that's the access road so it it doesn't necessarily have access to park Chester but it will use the same road that it comes in off of uh
of US1 but it's not intended to go into the subdivision and the minimum house size will be 20 2200 square ft the EU zoning is 2,000
the um square footage of r111 to the north I looked at this and the house sizes for r111 to the north is 1300 Square ft and some of
those houses are, 1900 Square ft as well so I I don't know that putting a minimum lot size I mean minimum size is standard these days because the zoning code does it and of course it's say whatever the developer believes is necessary to sell
so um we'd asked that bdp in its entirety be removed but that is the only one that seems to be of any difference than what we have now uh in conclusion uh we would ask that to approve the future land use as
stated that you would change the zoning on the entirety to PD uh PUD approving the PDP uh and the removal of the bdp this is not a dramatic increase in units as I've mentioned we're asking for 19 we
could do 22 with the current future land use except for that Wetland issue the sizes are similar um the EU zoning on the entire 10.94 Acres would allow 31 units just by
strict math of the 15,000 square ft² in the 10.94 Acres so this is less than the zoning would allow this provides consistency the PDP lets you know exactly what is going to be built there and if there's any other conditions that you believe need to be added then they
can be added at the PDP stage if necessary with that I have the engineer here to answer any questions I'm here to answer questions um and I'd ask that I can come back up after the people speak and answer any questions they might have had and I've I've left a copy a couple
of copy of these for the People speaking Mr Rena I'm going to take get out to the audience is can I see a show of hands who wants to speak for or against this item so if you and the engineer would hang
loose and then take your notes yes and I will when you come up if you could get as close as you can to the microphone state your name and address for the record and I'm going to start a timer on you you get three minutes to tell us what you like or don't like about this
project Mr chairman ma'am you can come up and go first Mr chairman can I ask a question of Mr Zena before you do public I'm bringing them back up no I know that but I wondered if I could do it before public comment can we just wait okay
that's fine thank you all right you're welcome hi yes ma'am name and address for the record I'm Sandra Kennedy my address is 3711 Warwick Drive um Coco Florida I'm in the affected area I'm also the president president of the
brook Hill subdivision homeowners association um this entire area uh Council mentioned A1A it is not anywhere near A1A it's right on US1 I want to make sure everybody understands this
entire area is on a ridge a coina ridge it weeps continuously water flows down that Hill from about City point or maybe farther south all the way up to the end of Indian River Drive Indian River Drive
is a a historic Indian Trail it's barely to Lanes wide it's not even enough for two cars for two say a truck and a car to pass someone's got to pull over um it would be a complete liability for the
county to approve this change in use or the project um it's completely incompatible with the surrounding area most of that area is what lands um the water is weeps out of coina there's a
coina shelf along us one on the east side and right now St John's River Water Management is pushing the water that goes down us one because it it's a hill it comes down that water's going to come right down to this area it already does
and then it goes to the Cina and it just flows out and if there's a hurricane that water will flow glow for months um if you pave over all of that area and cover it with cement for parking or RV parking and the the multi-use residences
first of all you couldn't have septic and Sewer is going to be a real liability in that area they're thinking about putting it in right now but Indian River Drive has no business having sewer under it because saltwater that water washes over Indian River Drive from the
Lagoon and it floods down from the top you've got water coming in on Indian River Drive from two sources um the project is about A4 mile don't hold me to the exact amount but it's very close to 528 in US1 and so you've got the exit
ramp and the entrance ramp and if you start backing up traffic in that area because people can't get out and get down the road because you now you've got a red light on us one where right now there isn't one you're going to cause traffic problems so we've got flooding we've got increased flooding this is
going to affect all of the residents um right now if it rains heavily we just can't use the road we have to hang out and wait so if they have an entrance up at US1 well maybe they're not going to be affected by that but the rest of us that are forced to go down us drive us
one I mean Indian River Drive because we don't have an exit onto US1 we're going to be dealing with the flooding that they're going to create because that coina is not going to be there anymore cement will be there and the water will
just flow right now if if I may continue just a little bit more I'm sorry ma'am I'm just going to be able to give three minutes I will move but I'd like to point out that right now there's water flowing through the storm drains like a river because excess starts it's going to continue through everyone we're
dealing with apologize for that but we will go to three minutes who's next yes sir rest for the record Joseph mlan 3449 Indian River
Drive I'm right in the middle of all this issue uh she is absolutely right well my bad hold on here that was a quick three minutes you you get extra time now okay go ahead Mr McLean I'm sorry
I'm I'm right in the middle of of what she's talking about the water comes down off of the ledge comes uh I have uh two areas on either side of my property that flows when it rains so it's exactly what
she says plus it comes down uh the road there and uh a lot you've ever tried to get on from Indian River you've ever tried to get on from Indian River get on to one it's a nightmare we
need a stop sign there but we don't have one so this is going to influence even one car would influence and we're talking about uh she's talking about 22 so we're talking about at least 30 more
cars also I don't believe that uh the the housing is fine except for the um um uh the other house the other
development RV storage RV storage and also the um tow houses those uh I'm afraid in time will turn out to BNB be
bnbs or could be or rentals so yes we have some some concerns if you completely block off the uh entrance into to Indian River dri um that's not going to solve the
whole problem in that that particular area we need a to have a a revised comprehensive plan for that whole area along with the sewer and such okay
so I don't know whether I was for or against but I'm I'm subject to I'm for it for some and against some of it we we've got your concerns all righty noted thank you sir excuse me
uh ma'am and your name and address for the record hi my name is Diane Burrows I'm at 381 Chester Drive and I'm part of the park Chester development um Mark Ward who is the co-owner of the property right across the street from us has uh submitted a letter to you all and I'd
like to share that letter now because we also um uh approve of this letter so he says Dear Sir and Madam as co-owner of the property located on 382 Chester Drive in Parkchester unincorporated Bard County and as such Community AB buts
said development plans proposed by City Point landfall LLC I respectfully submit my comments my comment also in opposition to any change in the existing zoning and binding agreements that would allow higher density and impervious
surfaces as we have heard um Parkchester is a small community established in the early mid 60s consisting of 63 homes there exists only one point of entrance or ESS to this neighborhood which is Round Tree Drive off of US
Route 1 before 2014 round Tree Drive exited the neighborhood and residents were afforded the opportunity of both right and left turns upon egress from the neighborhood the 2014 to 16 widening of US Route 1 changed that by
making the exit from Round Tree Drive onto US Route 1 a right turn only at the stop sign eliminating the ability to turn left due to the median separating the Northbound and southbound Lanes of Route 1 Additionally the widening project caused the removal of our
designated right turn only lane from Northbound us one into park Chester as now that lane is not is now a merge left lane and this is the area that the referenced that would be the entrance for this new project this has caused many close calls with our residents as
they slow to turn right while people are looking over their left shoulder in attempt to merge in 2014 2015 we the residents of Park CH Chester held a meeting community meeting with the do engineers and County officials including
lisa. Mark do. florida. us Lisa coordinated the meeting in which we voiced our concerns about the aform mention changes at that point we also requested a stoplight at Route 1 and round Tre drive to increase the safety of our residents exiting our
neighborhood into 50 plus M hour traffic or attempting to dodge traffic in order to get into the far left lane to turn left onto sidco Road or make a U-turn since now that median is in place we were told that due to the size of our
community we do not qualify for a traffic control device at the entrance to our neighborhood they are now making that light at sidco but we still have to turn right and make that U-turn since 2016 traffic in the area of US Route onean Corridor has increased
dramatically along with the speed of the approach to park Chester making it increasingly difficult to safely exit our homes with the additional traffic which will accompany the development of the city Point landfall development we know no matter how small the safety is
of concern and he did email this to all of you to review yes we have all thank you okay thank you anyone else would like to speak for or against this good afternoon my name is Charlene Miller I live at 3520 East Round Tree
Drive in Parkchester my concern my major concern is that entrance off the onto Parkchester off of US1 that road is also going to be used
and is not yet functioning by a mini warehouse facility that is being built on the north side of that road and of course you have the entrance to the law firm that sits on that intersection so I I don't know when when they did their
calculations if they included the mini warehouse traffic that will be going in there shortly and the law firm traffic that has been using that for some time um that is going Plus at the end of
Parkchester the road there is an immediate very sharp leand turn that does a snake fig configuration you you go in and to to get into Parkchester you must do an immediate left and if you're
going to my house you must do an immediate right and it it has been a close call it's very narrow road so I would like that traffic consideration to be considered with that mini warehouse opening very soon second
of all has anybody mentioned that there's an old Pioneer graveyard in the middle of this facility that they plan on building I didn't think so it's it's not really mentioned but back in the middle of this development is an old
Cemetery that goes back to Pioneer days I don't know exactly the dates but I'm sure if you check with the historical people they will be able to tell you approximately when it was put there and some of the grave markers that are still there and what accommodations are they
making to protect that Cemetery thank you okay thank you thank you ma'am yes sir if you'd like to come up and state your name and address for the record okay my name is uh Dennis Canon and I live at 103 Brook Hill Drive Coco
that's in the brook Hill subdivision um I'll be honest you I'm going to plead ignorance I thought I was back the military with all the acronyms I have no idea what half the stuff she was talking about especially without a picture to look at but I can will
reiterate what people have said everything from US1 is downhill to Indian River Drive we have environmental issues with the Indian River Lagoon to begin with where we live we are constantly flooded and during
hurricanes we literally cannot get out of our subdivision unless you have a high truck if you have a car you cannot get out of subdivision and that runs probably from the r entrance 100 yards each way the water is up over the grills
of the cars when we've had hurricanes I've lived uh in that area since uh 2000 um the other issue is they talk about the traffic for all those of us that live in that that area we have to
come up City point and the turn left we thought when when initially when they were widening the road and stuff that we were going to have a traffic light there it's extremely dangerous to try and turn left because your car you have to come in at an angle so that people and people
are going 55 60 70 miles an hour on US1 constantly Running Red Lights it's a terrible issue and your car is maybe a few feet from the lane that's coming behind you so the traffic issues we're concerned about the environment the
water those are our big biggest concerns I without my my biggest thing too is with with all the the flooding issues we don't have enough land you know as far as to take all the water
that comes from us went down to begin with so now if we create another gigantic Hardscape footprint it's just going to make it worse for a situation that's already bad the county has been out there multiple times trying to clean out ditches trying to clean out pipes
and stuff we still have bad bad flooding issues so putting more properties there more people is it's not going to make it any easier for any of us um so someone else can have my 40 seconds thank you all right thank you
sir yes sir hello U my name is James sudman I live at 3469 Indian River Drive um my property AB buts the uh the southside of this
development so we're pretty concerned uh with all of these uh and we agree with most of these other concerns that we're hearing here and so I'd kind of like to go from that and and reject a
few more different comments um we've uh we've lived there for 30 years and we've um basically fought battles U with developers wanting to
change the character and the densities and the uh get the zoning the way that they could make the most money uh for years this is really probably about our third or fourth time before this board um we
uh one of the things that uh we kind learned uh to expect in this process is that once the developers become aware of community concerns either on their own
or by advice from you guys um they schedule up a meeting with the community where they talk to us about what what they're going to do and we can have a a productive give and take with meetings
like that uh this has not happened in this case the first time we had a um an inkling that they were serious about uh doing this kind of development was when the sign went up two weeks ago
both at Parkchester and then on Indian River Drive um we uh we would like to basically plea for some kind of a uh that that process
to continue where the community and you can see all these people here if you if you had them raise their hands before you saw many we're interested in this subject and an interesting thing to ask them might be how many are opposed and
how many are for it um so the the other thing that we're worried about is that uh with the zoning and the land use plan we've set a precedence uh for what we expect our
community to be um and we uh we want to protect we we want to continue to have that and protect that uh kind of density um
the could I have 40 seconds we can't do that sir everyone be doing that but that's okay but thank you just one thing I'd like to add is I have a copy of my my full um remarks well
that to be entered in I gave it to them I can I have about three copies if anyone up there wants them okay any anyone else would like to speak for against this my name is Ron house I have the strange property shape as the attorney
mentioned before that's directly to the north of this property uh your address please my name is Ronald House 3531 North Indian River Drive okay a couple things uh there's really three steps right you have one are you going to wipe
about The Binding development order that's been agreed to before those points were really important because this deal has been made before it's tied with the property so those who are buying the property are buying the property with knowledge of that
agreement so I understand the developers wanting to change that but that's not necessarily what's happening the next item is actually they stretching the commercial into that bind area because the commercial was only so far The Binding development agreement
was the Seven Acres that starts just behind the commercial line so they're actually increasing the commercial comprehensive land use plan not necessarily needed the word tow houses is sort of a good-look word and it shows lots but in reality it's going to be two
quadruplexes beside our house or our property and if you think about everything in their single family pretty much so you can talk density but you have to talk compatibility it's not compatible with us we bought the property to the northwest to build a
nice house on it our house currently if you look at the property maps we have a U-shaped piece of property we connected the property we bought to the South for a future home and so it's different The Binding development agreement also uh
has a lot more items in there than just come off Park Chester the way the plan is currently designed there's a c Tock for the commercial and then there's an entrance off Parkchester so if the developer wanted to keep it insulated from Parkchester they could by extending the call to sack on
down myself I'm a licensed engineer licensed surveyor and I'm a developer also one of those evil words so to say sometimes but it seems to me that the uh that this could be designed not necessarily to affect Parkchester it
might change the character of the front but it's no different than the attorney's office off the side of harchester having it all self done um last but not least one of my biggest spares there's two items that scare me a little bit one is if you did have quadruplexes there even though
they're cut up as tow houses and sold that someone wrongfully or rightfully can VRBO it we have problems with that up and down the street already because of all the launches and people can do that so VRBO scares me a little bit and the next item is just a little parking lot entering off River Drive sort of
like a parking lot hangout you can gate it you can lock it you can do whatever you want but you're still going to have transient sometimes breaking in there because we have people Park in our front yard all the time to watch rockets launch so that's a problem and so it's not really a good parking area and there's a couple other parking areas up
and down the river that have the same problem so I guess VRBO parking problems quadruplexes we got a binding development approval we've already done this before and you don't have to enter Park Chester if you don't want to and
the RV lots increasing the commercial thank y'all all right thank you sir yes ma'am if you could come on up and state your name and address for the record hello my name is Alyssa to Christoper Wallen I live at 3508 East
Round Tree Drive um I also am pretty ignorant about a lot of what's going on and I do apologize for that I'm half here on behalf of my mother who was very concerned and I would like like to mention that she told me our community has fought this kind of development
before personally I am not necessarily opposed to development but I am very concerned that if I and I mistake apologize if I'm mistaken that they have not um fully looked into the drainage
problems as many of my peers have mentioned this area does have drainage problems um and as have mentioned Parkchester is in a precarious position traffic-wise I mostly have a comment about the idea
of an RV I mean I I'm not super a big fan of the Town Homes either I agree that does not fit in with the character of the area I've lived there my whole life it's just not that kind of place which I'm not opposed to town homes but
seems odd it's a very old area you know the roads aren't the best love them but they're not it's beautiful but development has seemed odd I've been there through a lot of it there's a lot of empty lots that
people have tried to develop but it seems a little hostile to bigger projects I sympathize that's unfortunate financially but um I don't understand the desire for an RV lot I don't know anyone who owns an RV I know that's like
a terrible uh case against it but I would worry about the weight as well uh as mentioned it's on coina Rock it's very old I don't think it's a good choice to put RV as a commercial institution or uh
if they have I would love to know have they done surveys about what the extra weight of all of these various parts would do to the surrounding areas we all know Florida has sinkhole problems so that's my biggest concerns and
I uh appreciate everybody for their time thank you so much all right thank you ma'am CL anyone else yes ma'am I see a hand there if you could also state your name and address for the record hi my name is
Megan rker I live at 131 North Twin Lakes Road in the Twin Lakes Community um I'm a born and raised native here in Coco Florida I've been a real estate agent for over 7even years and I do believe that there are a lot of concerns here um my main concern would be the
drainage issues but I do believe that the town homes are not consistent with this area there are no town home communities along River Road if you go from North where Indian River Road starts all the way down to South rockage where Indian River Road ends there is
not one town home Community it is not consistent with our area at all um so I'm not opposed with the current binding development plan that is on record at the point because it does keep it consistent with the feel and the values of the area I do believe that this would
negatively impact the values of the surrounding areas including those that live north and south of this community I know this in fact because I do CMAs or market analysis for properties all the time every single day I'm looking up property values and these developments
negatively impact larger properties so like if you have an acre property next to a development it does impact those values um we do have other parks um along the river so my other concern is the paved parking lot I walk and I jog
Down River Road every single day and the things that concern me are the safety and the loitering and these abandoned parks that are never used by the neighborhoods for instance there is a park I think it's Riverview Park um it is at the end of McFarland in River Road
it it has a very Steep Hill it's probably really recognizable by a lot of people um it's loitered all the time there's crime that's happened you can look up these statistics with Coco pedia or the provard Sheriff's Office it invites Loy loitering it invites crime
and most of these communities never use their parking lots or their Parks so I feel like that would be a very negative impact on the wetlands as far as the drainage goes um not to mention the traffic she mentioned 26% of a change
but what about the 25 30 other developments in the area that are asking for that that adds up if you go go along 524 it's nothing but development right now so it's not just this project it is multiple projects that are adding up all at one time that are impacting our
traffic every day we drive by 528 it is it's stopped heading east we have the launches we have the cruise ships that are adding cruise ships we have multiple developments that are being added it's not just this development it is everything being added together
so those are my three concerns um not only that but it puts a brain on the quality of life around us there's more and more people moving here all the time I'm a real estate agent you would think I would be for development I'm for quality of life and I don't I think that's taking away quality of life for
us by adding more and more cars on the road you know I think that parking lot is the worst part about it so yeah okay thank you ma'am is there anyone else ma'am I see your hand please come up
good afternoon my name is Beverly sudman I live at 3469 Indian River Drive in Coco and uh my concern is would you guys like to have a parking lot in your front yard that's what they're proposing we
live just south of this proposed project and the project is also directly in front of us we have a flag lot and they're proposing a walking path in front of the property and a parking lot directly in front of our home so
when we get up in the morning first things we're going to see is the parking lot and also we have power lines that go all the way down the north side of our property in front of us that needs to be cleared so that the Florida Power and
Light people can keep that open from the um hurricane due to the trees falling and the scrub below so that needs to be maintained this property has been maintained since 1975 in front of us brush hogged and
mode so that those power lines could be accessed and we don't lose power so that walking path in front of our house who knows come who's coming down there and the parking lot right in front of us that is just going to deflate our value of our
home number two is if you take up this um number one I don't want the change of the future land use map or The Binding development P plant I'm uh plan I'm against that but if you change this the
f l m to Res 4 and then this PUD doesn't go through then you've changed it for the whole area and the area goes from north of um the beach line all the way to the fire station North and you as the
one over the river so we're concerned with this whole area that we want to protect from high density and nowhere in this entire area is there town homes or condos
and like a lot of people have said here it's just too much traffic too much water and this proposal goes against the future land use map and The Binding development plan that I have came before
The Board of Commissioners three times to fight this from multiple developers to keep our area consistent with our whole Community has voted on the Commissioners have voted on it so I vote
no for this development thank you for your time okay thank you ma'am anyone else would like to speak for or against this item yes sir you know the drill by now yes sir name
and address please my name is Victor Watson my address is 3490 North US1 Coco Florida um our law firm uh represent is uh owns the property uh on the corner of uh the
entrance to Brook Hill and immediately north of the subject property uh I think that the people here have made some very good points about the drainage and traffic and all the issues in the area um so I'm not going to really speak to
those my biggest concern is that our property is zoned RP residential professional which could be uh either homes or Office Buildings that kind of thing uh very low uh impact sort of
use uh and the the subject property is zoned the same so we were thinking uh when this was done that the use would be similar to what we have so uh changing this now to RV
storage uh I'm not sure that that would be the best use next to us but our biggest concern really is that we have some kind of buffer between us and them right um so that we're not looking up at these big tall buildings right there and we've got some natural vegetation which
is what we've tried to do at our office so so as far as just our property next to them uh we just really are very concerned about the compatibility and making the uses compatible also concerned about the uh increased traffic
uh coming out onto US1 you know that it is a difficult situation uh for people coming in and out so this would this would just add to that so okay all right all right thank you sir
anyone else would like to speak for or against this item because I'm going to close it to public comment do anyone want to speak go once going twice all right we're going
to close this then to public comment and Kim I guess if you and your engineer could come up for questions I'd like to I I'd like to answer some these questions and then I think Bruce can talk about a few things as well and then certainly we'll answer any questions you
may have uh there's been a lot stated here today uh as you know a lot of this are things that would be handled at the site plan level um I apologize I always say US1 and A1A I always get them mixed up yes this is on US1 uh there will be no
access onto River Road except for those driving up to use the HOA controlled parking lot it's four parking spaces no one else can use that uh walkway except people who live in the neighborhood or their guests so it's not open to the public it's not a free-for-all it's
going to be HOA maintained and controlled and that's just so people can park there and enjoy the riverfront like all of those along Indian River do that own property along there uh people are concerned about the flooding again it has to be engineered flooding as you
know they have to retain their own water and any water that historically drains on it so if there's a ridge trining onto that property it will be continued to be maintained by that property um Bruce can discuss that more but again that is a site plan issue if this development impacts others it can't be built so
that's a that's that's a site plan issue that will be taken care of um again this is 19 homes could be 22 with the future land use that's there town homes are single family homes um they are platted
they are sold um regarding that Pioneer graveyard if you look at your future land use map it's below the property and it's it's the little item that says 516 so it is not in this property that graveyard is
not in there or nor accessed through this property uh there will be sewer on this property sewer is required for this property it's complet it's several times in the staff report um Mr sutterman uh Mr and Mrs sutterman uh spoke and and they are that
plag lot to the south of the property which you can see on the future land use map they are res four they're asking you not to change anything to what they already have there are no residents adjacent there there is a walkway and that little four little spots for parking for the residents only used by the residents and
HOA maintained um meeting with the residents Mr Moya spoke to several people about this he had gotten calls we didn't know there were any negative thoughts about this until this morning when I got one email from staff so uh this is this is
somewhat new we have heard their comments and we will talk with the owner about them uh again there's been statements to protect the density this PDP lowers the density so that is being protected um regarding the bdp uh and
wiping out the conditions the 15ft buffer will remain and and Mr Moya has told me that does have to be a natural buffer uh this is slight increasing the commercial future loan use like by 2 of an acre it's a tiny amount um I do want to provide to you uh
Mr House's property detail and his map so you will see his house that he lives in is nowhere near this property it's on the other side of the U I only have three copies I apologize I'll make sure one gets back to the clerk but if you look at it um
the last page is his map um he has three homes on this but the property that's adjacent to this site and actually um is the agricultural portion and a small home and then his large home is on the Northern U part and that's in the map so
he will not be adjacent to this use he will not be living adjacent to this use at all um and these are Town Homes uh regarding the potential to enter through the RV storage facility Mr moil will talk about that that culdesac
is necessary because of turnaround for RVs I believe but he can tell you why they weren't able to do it and maybe the access to um to roundabout I'm not sure but he did look at it and he will tell you why it's not again no access on Indian River Road um the town homes are
to allow for a variety of housing that's somewhat requested in your comprehensive plan to have a variety of housing and uh single family homes even though they're attached are still single family homes and are compatible the staff report supports that uh the traffic analysis
does take into account all developments that have approved Mr Moya has the traffic analysis report and can talk to that further if you want but again that's another site plan issue um with that um I'd ask Bruce to come up and comment
let me most question for you okay yes sir come upce all right little sarcasm um Kim when was this property I'm sorry Mr M when was this property
purchased I don't recall your honor your honor sorry I was in court all day Friday I apologize we're off to a great start all right yes your honor 2021 2021 so just in the last few years let's say yes yeah November 202 yeah
what was the date so you didn't really have an opportunity to meet with the people or or you're saying now that you you unaware that there was there was nobody in the entire area that wasn't in favor
of it or did they just bring you on lately um well Mr Moya has been handling it Mr Moya was the contact person Mr Mo had a few people contact him and when I spoke with Mr Mo and he can tell you he'll tell you what they said well I was um I was hoping most of these were for
you we um there's a lot of history down there and as I I'm working off of some Recollections here but I think everything south of City Point Road is probably in the
Incorporated area of Coco is that uh no it's further south it goes Forest Hill Drive okay real close um no it's probably half an acre or half a mile okay south of here south of this project so High Point subdivision is probably
not in the city of Coco if that's Forest Hill Drive then it's city of Coco okay um if you look at City Point Road which has been there a long time and you go North to Black's road which
is really a condensed version of this area I don't know of anything that's multiple family through there is that to the best of your recollection I don't know but we're not asking for multiple family huh we're not asking for multif
family tow houses uh you don't like town houses do you Mr Men you know I don't like them okay so I mean this general area there there isn't any subdivisions other than defined from yester year is
that correct uh not to my knowledge not the 208 to the best of my thoughts or I think somebody said 208 and it refresh refreshed my memory was done by
Hank oh the B yes The Binding development plan yeah that obviously couldn't be built because it's been 18 years none of these people were here I think unfortunately I was um we went through a major gation that
and it wasn't just arbitrarily put together this binding development plan and generally you don't make most of the people happy but this is one of the ones I could recall because you had Park Chester subdivision there you had DED
numerous other subdivisions that ring a bell but everybody sort of left about as happy as they could leave and you know this board has a tendency to take these binding
development plans from yester year and just say you know I'm done uh we we need to change that and you know a couple members that are no longer here said why develop a binding development
plan if we're never going to stick to it so I I'm going to be fairly adamant on this project I'm not going to get off that 2008 binding development plan let the pieces fall where they may today but I I think it's a good plan for the
neighborhood U it's it just it to me it just makes good sense um well looking at those criteria the only one that we don't meet is that there's seven well but there's one acre lots in the middle of the Seven Acres other than that I would feel I would feel much better if
we just that's just my opinion um it it just there's just too much history in that area to change it and and I'm trying to save what save what little we have left especially in that area I mean
we don't need to terrify that area like we've done on 524 I'm just Rend in my opinion that's uh and that's all I'm going to say it just seems inconsistent to require one acre lots next to 10,000
square foot acre lots which is the park Chester subdivision yeah so that that criteria of seven Lots on Seven Acres to me I it was Truman scarbo as chairman at the time and I remember those days where we negotiated from the podium I wasn't here at the time but I can certainly I
will certainly pull the minutes I know you don't believe this but I'm not going to support it oh I know I know I gathered that but I'm I'm completing the record yeah any other questions for me or Kim
Bruce any other questions for Mr rosenka from board yeah I have question turn this um Greg if you could get near that Mike there you go yes so I'm new to this okay so this is a question from out of ignorance
hopefully not stupidity um a lot I heard a lot of people say had concerns about water about drainage um will does the public including obviously these folks have uh involvement in the site plan
process where apparently that's going to be an issue that will be raised uh the site plan technically is the PDP that's before you that's a semi- engineered site plan but actually what happens is it goes to a final development plan
stage where the engineers submit everything for staff to review so the drainage is a site plan issue and the the law says we can't impact this property cannot impact anyone else so if water drains onto this property now it has to be continued to allow to drain it
has to be held and Mr Moya can tell you more about the drainage requirements but it's not fully engineered yet but that that's a site plan issue that staff a final development plan that staff reviews so I heard you say that if water's raining onto it now it has to
continue to but conversely uh I guess if there's evidence that more water is draining on to the property to their property as a result of this development um that would be a violation
of the county code subject to code enforcement subject to engineering um complaints and all kinds of things so okay and and and again that that's the requirement there's lots of examples where people say we're impacted more um
that Park Chester subdivision was built a long time ago they're going to be lower than this subdivision but they have to account for it the engineers have to account for that thank you Mr chairman yes sir can you bring up Mr Moyer please well let me finish with
Miss rosenka do we have any other questions for Miss rosenka all right thank you good evening Mr chairman board my name is Bruce Mo with mbb engineering um I
kind of figured John was going to save all questions for me um it's good to see some familiar faces and a lot of new faces on this board it's the first time I've been in front of this board since it's changed um so yeah so there was a lot of thing I want to talk about the drainage first so
I think as most of you know we have we're on one we're on a deal road so we have to comply with DOT drainage we're in the county we have to we have to comply with County Drainage requirements and three were in the St John's River Water Management District so three entities will be reviewing our
drainage design to make sure that we're not impacting the area um there were less of an impact in the post development than we are in the pre currently that site is a pretty cool site it's very high on the west side and
it just Dr pops off like a bluff towards the roadway uh Indian River Drive um when I was out there I did a site inspection they were surveying that area because I believe the county is working on some drainage improvements so
I think there's something in the works because there were County surveyors out there at the time regardless of that it's just a free-for-all out there the water just drains from the US one right away uncontrolled out to the river
it's not treated it's not routed it just happens we'll be building a system that will take the water that comes on our property or that we create from putting in impervious surface put it in a storm water Pond treat it and and reduce the discharge from what's happening right
now that's the requirement so we think that we can control the drainage a lot better in the post- development than what's happening out there right now um as as far as traffic we you know we're we're all our
traffic is going to the West we're not adding any traffic any R drive at all all we're proposing is a amenity so that the residents can come down and use the river I believe there's a if I if I remember right there's a a dock that's uh uh that that's
basically gone except for the pilings but they're going to plan to rebuild that so they have River Frontage so they want the residents to be able to come down be able to unload their vehicle into their boat and go out and enjoy the river like like everybody else does um it's not going to be you know
technically a a public parking lot it's going to be an amenity for the residents so most of them will be able to just go down there on the um pedestrian walk that we're providing and go down and enjoy the riverfront the um the town homes that Mr
maibu doesn't like are suppos from my understanding talking to the client are going to be luxury Town Homes because of what a lot of people said up here about watching the launch it's going to they're going to be high up on the bluff and they're going to have Prime views of
liftoffs and they're going to be L they're going to be probably bigger and probably more expensive than some of the existing homes in the area so the fact that they're attached doesn't mean they're multif family they're still single family they're just attached but they'll be
bigger in area and they'll be new and they'll be luxury and they'll be very expensive um so I think that there's not going to be a property value issue because of that um the reason we are not mixing the commercial and the
residential traffic is because that is really not good planning you usually have residential traffic go to the lower classification road which is the local road that everybody else that's residential is using and the commercial traffic access is directly on us W so
there's no reason to intermix the two the culdesac is provided in the commercial part for the not just the RVs to turn around but for the fire trucks to come in and turn around and the garbage trucks and all that and they'll go back out to us one the residential will be separate using a local road
which is good planning practice um I don't is there anything I'm missing I think that kind of covers pardon me people you spoke with oh yeah I did you know it has been a while we've been working on this for a while and I did
get a couple calls I don't remember if um who it was that called me but there was no overwhelming concern to whoever I talked to they just had a couple questions and so we answered the questions and there was no real followup
or or um you know I wasn't convinced that there was a outcry from the public I just like I said I got maybe a couple inquiries about it and it was just a couple questions and and uh you know nothing of nothing to this level that we're getting today so
um we usually contact the County staff say hey have you received any letters have you received any phone calls and we didn't get that I think it was until 1 this morning until 1 this morning so we didn't know that there was going to be a turnout like this today or we probably
would have had a meeting earlier so I think that's everything I have um I'm sure John's got some questions for me not anybody else yes sir Mr John you got the floor yes um how are you I'm doing good sir how are you
doing well um your um your discussion on the storm water retention uh can you tell me what the impact will be on the neighbors to the north of whatever you're planning on doing up there uh in other words are you going to help their neighborhood or
because she one of the comments that I heard today was that there's a lot of flooding going on on after a storm and they have a lot of problems will your design amate some of that I believe it will because I think that we can take
some of the water that's up on the hill and and Route it to the West instead of routing it to the east uh and then holding it and treating it and so it's not going uncontrolled and untreated into the in the river Lagoon okay so there will be a benefit there on I believe so yes okay and
you're dealing with fot on that because that's their right of yes sir okay um Mr Ranka mentioned the four parking spots on the east side of the site what is that area because it's not really delineated in this master document here
yeah yeah I think I'll that earlier so that's going to be an amenity for the residents to be able to park vehicle so if they do rebuild the dock on the river they can come Park their car unload their vehicle onto the boat any boats that are parked that they can park there
m you know unload their light vests and their coolers and whatever keep the car there enjoy the day on the river come back load the car up and go back to the to their house have they do they have any does the owner have any plans to put a dock out there there is already if I remember right there's already a dock
there that's uh uh that belongs to this prop this it's been wiped out except for the piles so that would be rebuilt as an amenity all right is there a pedestrian walkway from this development to the Indian River Drive yes it's on the plane I don't see it it's on that thing yeah
we're coming from the development that green thing on the bottom yeah and then the what's the area to the north of that that's all Wetlands it's all Wetlands W there's no Paving or anything we're trying to preserve that to the highest extent possible okay and then you have
the retention Pond that you're putting in MH okay which will help remediate any of the storm issues yes sir okay which is not there currently correct correct okay so in essence there is a benefit to development going in there but you're
going to have some imperviable space which is going to generate more runoff okay what's your maximum Building height going to be out there do we is it on the I I don't know I think it's the zoning typical zoning is 35 ft okay no higher
than no I don't think would be going any higher than that well you were saying that you're up on you were talking about the tow houses and you were saying that the uh that's that's sitting on a ridge there and they'll be able to get the views to the uh to the Rockets um but you're saying no higher than the 35 ft
require okay so you're not asking for a variance on that okay let's talk about the um the congestion that you might cause on Round Tree Drive okay you're going to have 19 units with about 30 30
cars maybe maximum exiting in the morning along with the 63 I believe it is of the people that live uh in that area to the north um your impact study says that it's negligible but for those neighbors they're going to see
traffic and that's coming in when they're going out it's going to be coming in from their left correct and now since the U when they widened Highway one they're no longer going to be able to make they can't make a left so everybody's going to have to go right and make a uturn correct yep all right
the the in your kimly who I've used myself in the past uh did they take all that into account just other than Counting Cars and saying this is a minor impact yes I believe I don't believe those improvements uh were made since
the study was done I think it was that that was condition what's there now is what was in place when the study was done um and the study was done in conjunction with coordinating with the County traffic department and um so they they took the the existing counts and
then the new trips and came up with no impact okay no degradation of of of the level of service obviously every development increases the traffic but it doesn't increase it to degrade the level of service okay
umra um this thing is going to go to the County Commission in April sometime what was it what' you say on that Mark I can answer that April 3rd April 3D at 5 o00 would you be willing to H to
have a public meeting between today and then just to hear you know from the people and make them feel a little better I'll ask the client and see if he wants to do that you know an absolute over there okay absolutely okay we'll do
that okay yeah because I mean if you you you didn't get any comments before today and so it just normally on a development of this size it's not really a big one but it's it has an impact and people are complaining so it might be beneficial just to keep peace in the neighborhood
and I noticed in the 2008 um bdp that was approved um the neighborhood evidently was satisfied with what that prior developer was going to do unfortunately 2008 was a really bad year for new
housing developments and uh so it didn't happen so um but at least back in those days they were willing to allow a development to go in there yeah and I don't know all the other details and that just a small part of the of the property I don't know what they were proposing or even if that they owned all
the property that's owned now I don't really know much about what happened back in 2008 on this property yeah but that the bdp is only for a small portion of it right wait a minute what was that the bdp was only for the Centra section yeah yeah so I don't know if they owned
all the property from uh US1 to River Road I don't know mhm I don't know if they're proposing other developments in those area I don't know I haven't seen a plan that said of what that was looking what that was supposed to look like it only was restricted to that Central area
right so without knowing what else they were proposing to develop I don't know if this is less impactful or more impactful okay and as far as the RV storage is concerned there's a another property just up the road which is being
converted to storage currently I believe it's going to be storage it's um by FMH limited okay seems to be a trend it it's a it's a big shell there right now and they're they're renovating it yeah so I I assume that's going to be
Public Storage this is going to be um for RV store this is going to be for like no not yours I have no idea but this is going to be which is right in front of their neighborhood this is going to be enclosed you know like highend like Class A parking totally enclosed in a building which is prettyy
rare nobody's really building that mhm the level I mean if you're going to build in vu1 zoning and you don't want traffic this is the use you want you're going to see days where you're not going to see one single vehicle move in or out of that property uh you know bu1 you could put all kinds of things where
you'd be seeing all kinds of traffic so you know this is the if you don't like traffic this is the use to have on that property okay uh and there will be no outside storage at all no outside storage at all okay and there will be a parking lot in the front for pedestrian
cars for office yeah and the worker work okay um trying to think there one other thing oh um where do I find the PDP it should be in your package yeah I know I was looking for it I couldn't I couldn't
find I got too many cop of it if you want it in there it's where where it's in there oh here it is okay I see the legal description and the picture it's done by Hank k no no that's the existing bdp the
PDP is what we developed right to show what we're doing I just want to see if there's anything really nice in there no not really most of it's on the most of it's on the plan okay um all right you know I didn't see any any
restrictions that you had given up based on the old bdp that would plate some of the existing conditions I didn't see that no Mr the plan that we submitted becomes
part of the PDP yes ma'am Miss Trina it starts after page 265 or 264 excuse me that's unusual he usually has it tagged uh yeah usually goes right to it I
[Laughter] know see mine stops at 261 or 263 that's why I couldn't find it because it thank you yeah that's what I have oh
I've got that but it doesn't really say anything no the the plan says it all and the plan is part of the do yeah okay all right that's all my questions sir thank you anybody else can I ask just a quick question Mr Mora
there was concern about it being thebo or being rented out is there any consideration for including restrictions in the Declaration to limit or prohibit that particular we definitely make that suggestion that we can do that I don't know what the restrictions are countywide or in that area I think anybody can vrb their house um in that
area it's just another level we restrict it we can definitely ask him if he wants to volunteer that I can answer that question vbos yeah you can't do them in really in this area unless you have a multif family zoning PUD allows them
though oh well then we can go ahead and recommend that he we add that to the PDP Miss Ruth I have a question um in the natural resources map it shows uh candle fine sand I believe it lists it as as aquafer recharge is it is that
correct um yeah aquafer candle F [Laughter] question um and I'm I'm not familiar with this particular section but I am familiar with um ridges further north
like this and generally what happens is is it's a fast aquafer recharge because of the fine sand and that's why it has Wetlands on the side of it because the amount of water that flushes down through it actually filters back up on the other side um so it's a bigger issue than just
storm water and if you redirect that storm water how does that affect the aquafer itself yeah I can answer that I'm sure um she can if I can't but um so if you're in an ala recharge area then you have to comply with another section of
the county code that limits your development in that area you're restricted to the amount of impervious area you can have uh you can or you can demonstrate that your pre-development recharge rate uh or your post-development recharge rate is equal to your pre so that we have to match so
if it's recharging a certain amount we have to match that depending on no matter how we build um what we normally do is we you know those maps are not super accurate all the time so we have to go and verify if it if the soils are
actually truly Oar soils and if once we do that testing and we find that area if it exists then we're limited on what we can do in those areas so a curious question um cuz I'm new up here um if
the whole front of this according to the map is an aqua for recharge and find Candler or find sand and it is a fast Aqua they fast Aqua for recharge with the limitations on building on that section and then the limitations of
building on the back end which is a wetland area um staff what is the limitations to building on an aquafer recharge like that as Mr Moya was saying um they could
they can develop but they would need to demonstrate that the postd development recharge volume is at least as good or better than the pre-development so basically they were going to hold the water on their site so is there so like
with the with the um Wetlands they limit one home per 5 Acres you know um is there a limit like that on Aqua for recharge or is it just that they monitor the storm water portion of it there well
there is a an impervious um restriction and it depends on your elevation um if it's a type one a type two or type three and that would depend on your location or your elevation I think in this area they are type
it could be a type two or a type three um it it would really depend it's because the elevation up there is around the the cut off between type two and type three is 30 feet um in a NV
ngvd so um so it could be both types in type three they're limited to 45% impervious coverage type two is 35 but as we said before if they can demonstrate that they that their post-development is as good or better
than pre-development holding that water then they would be okay then they could develop in the recharge areas so I guess my final question would kind of be like if if it was considered for all the environmental impacts on this property what with the environmental impacts what
would be the number of houses being allowed to be built on it versus the Pud that would all be site plan it affects the people and the community and that's literally like things they're asking about we got to kind of reel it
in because we're just planning and zoning and so all those questions that you're asking like all these people's questions here will be answered but the with them I I appreciate that chair it's just they don't get answers to that questions on the back end they just get
to watch what happens and this is their only chance to actually have a say and learn something about the process no they have the that would be answered even with the County Commissioners we're just an Advisory Board yes
sir thank you I mean I appreciate the question and that's why you have a code and that's why we have to develop to that code and if your code requires that we have to minimize our development then that's what we have to do um you know typically residential don't exceed 45%
impervious so especially 100 by 100 foot Lots so we would comply with that it wouldn't reduce our lot count it just reduces the amount we can build on that lot and if we provide Open Spaces where we're not providing Lots at all it's a cumulative number so we provide open
space so we don't exceed that impervious number and then we also have to deal with the making sure our pre and post recharge rates and so that's where you get the cluster of houses that a lot of times we'll do that so we can have more open space for for for
recharge so when you do the Clusters and you leave more open space it reduces lot size generally or I mean that's the theory behind cluster development and including avoiding wetlands and other issues like that so it's being able to get as many houses in a smaller area a
smaller footprint yeah so you clear less less land to have the same amount of homes okay okay anyway but so it sounds like you're taking into consideration a lot of the flooding issues that are going on right
now so you're well aware of that and so the water's coming down and you're going to you know um take into account for that and you said that this pug the water is going to run right off into the
you know so it runs right through so so you're you're aware and you're going to make you know um you know whatever you need to make happen so that we're not having more flooding in that area that's the last thing these residents need is more flooding I'm sure correct um my and
my real point was to um just the consistency I heard people talk about well you know we've got now Town Homes out there and we didn't want to have Town Homes we don't have any Town Homes any place so and then when Miss Ranka was speaking she said that she was going
to make certain that the town homes were owned and they were not going to be rented out I don't know if you can do that I I don't that's just a question we're so we're going to Plat those lots and sell them fee simple so they will be
owned they won't be uh um owned by one entity and then rented out it'll be owned individually just like a single family home exactly the same thank you do we have any other questions for Mr
Bruce I'm just going to hit the high spots real quick and this is what I get on to Mr hoppen Garden for because it's not planning and zoning but we do have concerns and in regards to what you're saying Ruth the first lady we had come up here
mentioned coina of the Ridge and the water issues I know Bruce and Engineering that's going to be addressed yes sir okay we have the law firm and the parking and the Ingress and egress I know that's going to be taken
care of with do corre uh the entrance traffic okay Water and Sewer I can't believe John that n is but he's been yeah we're connecting to City so meeting with the homeowners that's been addressed I know this isn't
planning and zoning and I get upset when we don't stay focused but we have a lot of concern out here back to what you're saying Ruth uh the parking there for the in for the people have access to the river I understand that you know because they're right
here uh and a lot of the concerns other than we did get you know in our pack here the opposed one person but the other people had real concerns and it sounds to me like we're
hitting them so seeing that I'm going to take it to the board one more time if anyone's got any questions for him we've closed public comment and if we don't have any questions for Miss Kim rosenka or Mr
Moya then we need to put it out for a motion Mr chairman I'll make a motion to approve okay we got a motion to approve I need a second I'll second we got got a motion from John to approve we got a
second from Anna all those in favor say I I any opposed yes I call the rooll okay can I just he a raise the hands of who
opposed uh Ruth Jared and Mr Mino oh and Erica I just wanted to amend it I just wanted to amend it that they made sure that they had a meeting with the people in the various neighborhoods hoods prior to moving forward with this project and
that all were considered and and on board with it then I would be a yes they said they would okay yeah wasn't in the motion but just wanted to make sure so you want to withdraw your
oppos I will withdraw my oppos then okay so Mr Jared maibo and Ruth opposed everyone else is for correct yes do we have a head count5 uh yes yes item
H5 and now we're going to have to take a vote on item 86 I make a motion to approve H6 second item H6 got a motion to approve by John hooping Gardner second
by Anna all those in favor say I I I any opposed yes I is it the same three it be Ruth Jared and Henry yes well
that's what they're asking for well that's what you were asking for yes sir yes okay item H7 item H7 and h8 I will read into the record together they'll need a separate recommendation J scumby LLC represent
represented by Bruce Moya request a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment under 24 4 S15 to change the future land use designation from cc to Res 30 under application 24 SS
00005 located in District 2 J scramby LLC represented by Bruce moer request a change in zoning classification from bu1 and bu2 to r230 under application
24z 0066 located in District 2 yes sir you know the [Music] drill thank you I like to move weet table this because he didn't give us all the
information prior to the meting this looks like the same building I'll give this to like it's like the hotel oh this is ugly okay just uh again Bruce Moy mbv engineering representing the applicant um I'm hoping that you're going to really like uh I think all of
you hopefully going to really like this one so this one's in right in Henry's backyard um I think we got a real opportunity here I just love Redevelopment because you get rid of that old just rundown
facility uh and come up and just do a brand new shiny building um that's going to look a lot better and be used a lot better than what's currently um how it's being used um some of you might be familiar with this property it's a hotel on
520 um it doesn't even have a flag anymore it used to be uh con I think it's been a couple things it's now flagless um and then operating barely as a hotel um the applicant now wants to uh
what they do is they they find these properties and they re they re re redevelop them um what they want to do is take this from a hotel and they want to put make it um residential um so it's going to be multif family residential there going to
take the uh the proposal is to take the the two the buildings that are currently rooms they're twostory make them three-story and then refurbish the inside uh bedrooms kitchen the whole nine yards build a new building all new
building with two bedroom units and then uh turn the existing restaurant and and uh office into a clubhouse I think there was a gym in there at one point in time so they'll have all that as well and then they're going to add another building which will be Town Homes um and
as you can see what I just passed out you get there's an example of what they've done in other locations so you can kind of see how they're going to dress up the elevation they're going to clean fix the pool add a bunch of amenities you can
see as you go through all the things that they're going to add they're going to have all kinds of outdoor um amenities they're going to have some pretty cool stuff and they're going to convert the rooms and you can see some of the before and after and some I don't
really it kind of speaks for itself and uh if the uh the developer was here he had quite a lengthy presentation from Myra board they were extremely impressed with what he was proposing uh and has approved it uh for this board to also hopefully approve it recommend approval
to city council I mean to the County Commission um you know I I you can go through this for I'm not going to go through everything they're going to have but there's a long list of amenities that they're going to provide for the people that are going to live here um if you've
ever been to the facility it's pretty rundown um it's very rundown and it's in desperate need of Redevelopment so um we don't think there's any downside there's really no additional impact it's think
it's all upside to this one and um so without going into a long drawing out spee since the last item was a little longer than I thought is going to be I'm going to just really answer any questions that you have public go ahead no you want to take it out of the public first yes is there
anyone in the public want to speak for or against this sir you raised your hand no sir you going to have to come up here to the podium and get as close as you can to that microphone and speak for uh your name and address
please my name is Richard s and I have a a home in that area it's 151 North of pla uh I'm not living there at the time but I own the home and that's why I got noticed I'm living on Banana River Drive um just I'm just curious more than
anything uh I heard him say multif family are we talking about apartment complexes are we talking about Condominiums um exactly what are they I mean I heard a little bit about his plan but I'm just curious on what kind of residential people will be there and
that's okay like say more Curious than anything I'm not opposed or you know against it or anything so okay he can get with you well I say that can you get with him after the meeting Mr brute I'll answer question as I get back up
okay sir would you like to anyone of y'all want to speak for or against this item okay Mr Moya if you could come back yeah just to answer his question so right now it's transient housing for it's a hotel it's transient lodging so this will be um uh multif Family
Apartments rentals long-term rentals okay as opposed to transient lodging I just I if you I just got one question is uh what's the exchange rate meaning how many units are there now and oh you know what always scares me when
we use yeah when we use 230 you know this goes for it's got to be it's got to be a reduction it's a we only have1 proposed I think it's two something now yeah yeah um so it I should have that number technically
it'll be reduction yes sir that's what I think Mr chairman yes sir Mr John Mr Moyer yes sir this gives me Deja
Vu uh the company I worked for in Fort Meyers bought a holiday in just like this and we were going to tear it down in 2006 to put in Condominiums um these are this is 1968
when this thing was built it I went over there the other day to take a look at it it is they're still renting it out people are still going there I guess it must be cheap um the pool was clean I was surprised um but it looks like it's it's
a good development for the area there's a traffic light on 520 right in front of it which is perfect um I'm not so sure if I like their conceptual design the architect in me who always questions somebody else's
design but um one of the things you need to tell them to look for when they do their phase one is there's aestus in that building okay so they're going to have a problem with that they have to mitigate it um but I think it's a great idea you're going to go three stories which is fine for the area you know that
whole strip at 520 used to be all car dealerships and now it's changing over to fast food restaurants and Wawas and things like that so it's a it's a new developing area and I think having residential in there will kind of balance that so I think it's a good
project thank you and I'm glad that you're bringing it forward any other questions for Mr Moya yeah if you want to see something similar um we just uh a project we worked on that's is under construction over on 192 the old uh well it's there's
a sushi restaurant in the front and I forget the name of the actual hotel but that's being converted into housing as well and that's going to I don't know if you know what that looked like but it's going to be done pretty soon it's going to look real nice very nice yeah so I think you're going see that from my office yeah I think you're going to see
that as Trend coming up here Mr chairman like to move to approve okay we got a motion by John to approve second I got a second by Logan all those in favor say I I any
opposed that passed unanimously you got to vote for the second item h8 item h8 motion to approve second item h8 got a motion by John a second by Logan all
those in favor say I I I any opposed and that passed unanimously okay meeting adjourned the opinions expressed by any member of the public during any period of public comment do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the
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