April 7th, 2026. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act, NJSA 104-6. On January 21st, 2026, proper notice was sent to the electronic news sources of record filed with the municipal clerk at
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services such as a cart transcriber, seven days advanced notice excluding weekends and holidays may be necessary. >> I'd ask that everyone please rise to salute the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good evening, Miss Propes. Could I have a roll call, please? >> Chairman Bessio, >> here. >> Mr. Bonjouro >> here. >> Councilwoman Isla
>> here. >> Mr. Maggora >> here. >> Mr. Papis, >> Mr. Wang >> here. >> Miss Sakura >> here. >> Mr. Banga >> here. >> Miss Chardawitch >> here. >> Mr. Chowdery.
>> Yes. Here. >> Mr. Atkins >> here. >> We have uh Katie Fina filling in for Mark Peek, board attorney. Miss Sarmad, board planner >> here. Mr. Burr, board engineer,
>> here. >> You have a quorum. You can proceed. >> Thank you, Miss Propes. At this time, if there are any members of the public that wish to address the board on any matters not listed in tonight's agenda, please feel free to come forward at this time. Seeing none, hearing none, we're moving
along to our application portion for the evening. First up, we have a continuence of application 25-012PB. That's the Wine Outlet Bridgewater LLC, commonly known as 155 Prominade Boulevard. And who will be returning
this evening to represent the applicant? Is this on? >> Maybe >> just talking to it. >> Okay. Uh, good evening chairman. My name is Danielle Kimach from the law firm of Prime Teli. Um, my colleague Jason Tubelle was here at the last hearing and I'm covering him for him tonight.
>> Good evening. Welcome. >> Thank you. Good evening, chairman and members of the board. As I said, my name is Danielle Kinbach here on behalf of Wine Outlet Bridgewater LLC. The application before you tonight is for minor site plan approval with bulk variance relief
um for an application for updated signage at a retail location located at the prominade at Bridgewater. The property that is subject to to the application is known as block 349 lot 5 on the township tax map. The property is
located in the planned retail commercial and public development zone district. The board will probably recall the applicant was previously here on December 2nd. Um after hearing comments from the board, the applicant revised its proposal. Uh so we feel the plan
that we're going to present to you tonight that we submitted to the board is more aesthetically pleasing than the original proposal. Um additionally, it reduces the number of signs as well as the total square footage of signs for the facade. Um, we also have an
architect here tonight to pre present some facade improvements that we're proposing along with the signage. Uh, the ordinance permits a maximum area for facade signage of 100 square feet or in the planning board's judgment um if
the proposal will assist in a harmonious and integrated sign plan up to 7% of the facade area. Um the sign we're presenting tonight is 8%. So um so long as the board is in agreement that it's a harmonious and
integrated plan, the variance relief we're seeking is for an additional 1% of the facade area. Uh for the record, we did renotice for tonight's hearing. The public notice was published in the Bridgewater Corer on March 27th, 2026 and mailed to all
property owners within 200 feet. Also on March 27th, 2026, uh so we submit that the board has jurisdiction to hear the application. Uh we plan to present two witnesses tonight in support of the application. Our first witness is our architect,
Frank Coulter, and we have a professional planner, Mr. Jean Mcdana. Um we're also in receipt of the board planner's April 2nd, 2026 review letter. Um we're prepared to testify in response to the comments received in that letter.
So, if it pleases the board, we'll have our first witness sworn and qualified. >> Thank you very much, Miss Kim. Absolutely. If you'd like to go ahead and please state your name. >> My name is Frank Coulter, uh, Blueprint Engineering. I'm a registered architect in New Jersey, as well as a professional engineer in the
state of New Jersey. >> Mine, I believe we'll have to swear him in. >> Yes. Could you raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God. >> I do. >> And Mr. Coulter, uh, your licenses are current and in good standing? Yes, they are. >> And have you testified before boards in New Jersey previously?
>> Yes, I have. >> Does the board have any questions of Mr. Coulter's qualifications? >> Does the board have any objections to Mr. Cter's qualifications? >> None. Please proceed. >> Thank you. >> Uh Mr. Coulter, so did you prepare a plan for the property in question uh for
the application tonight? >> Yes. Um >> um so the first plan I'm going to bring up is the plan that was submitted uh prior to the hearing. The board should have in their package. Um this is prepared by your office, Mr. Coulter. >> Yes, it was.
>> Okay. And uh Miss Fina, I was not at the last hearing. I don't know what exhibit we left off with, but this was submitted. So when we get >> Apologize, I also was not here. >> Okay. We'll come up with some nomenclature that'll work. Um >> this is as far as my office is concerned
this is labeled as concept D. CPT CPT D. >> Could you repeat that? Concept >> concept D. I'm gonna bring up the um the previous one because that gives existing conditions
not >> can I just comment one >> uh you have a general question Mr. Chry. >> Yeah. I just wanted to uh see if there any changes is done if uh they can actually refer to the previous u you know submission also.
>> Yes. I believe he's going to present that now. So I believe you're you the exhibit you brought up is the previous submission right there. Is that correct? >> Yes. And I understand the board probably doesn't have documents they received in November and December. Uh so this is what I believe the exhibit that was marked on December 2nd. I don't have an
exhibit number. Um, so I don't know if we want to call it like A1A or A, how do you want to designate the exhibits tonight? >> Would it be easier if we just referred to it as the December 2025
submission? >> Yeah. I'm not sure if this one was submitted in advance of the hearing or just presented at the hearing. >> It was submitted in advance. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, this was the uh December second here to just separate at least
for purposes of the hearing. We can clean it up in the record for a resolution, but just for purposes of the December 2020 2025 versus March 2026, perhaps that's easier for the board. >> Okay. >> Easier for you. >> All right. So, this is the December 2nd um exhibit. Do you want to go through
what was proposed at that time? >> Sure. I can I can certainly um one of the uh the biggest complaints that Raju, the owner of of Wine Outlet, um had had come to me um was that when everyone anyone came into his store um they did
not realize that he that the store was as large as it was. We have a almost an 18,000 square foot facility and all of his customers when they come in and speak to his spoke to his manager said, "Oh, we we didn't realize it was so large. We thought you were just a little boutique wine outlet." So, he had he had
made the application to add the wine, beer, and spirits uh signage um which is what this the December 2025 application had shown. Um and um after that application and hearing the comments from the board, uh Raju came to me and
said, you know, I I want the signage, but I want to be more consistent with all of the other um tenants in the in the shopping center. um let's come up with a you know a nicer facade that really shows that I'm a 18,000 square foot store and not just a little wine
outlet. Um so this was what was was previously proposed and if you can bring up the that one. So what we've done is >> and just real quick so this is a new exhibit. It's similar to the plan that
we submitted prior to this hearing. So we'll call this um Miss Fina just April 7th A1. >> So what we've done is expand that that um and and heighten um his facade uh to actually encompass his entire le you
know demise lease space. I think he has and I'm going from memory so I apologize if I'm incorrect but I think it's 78 feet 10 in is the demised this number here >> 7910 >> 79 ft 10 in um so what we've done we created an entire facade that's more
consistent with all of the other tenants if you go to John's um showing this proposed overlay >> um so we'll call this a exhibit April 2nd A2 it is two sheets um >> that's the existing So this is the
existing conditions um of the surrounding facades uh including the signs of the adjacent tenants and the existing sign on the the wine outlet. >> And if you bring up the overlay is page two. >> This is page two.
>> This is essentially an overlay of our our new design um into the the the entire uh um shopping center. And I think you'll I hope you would agree that that is a much more consistent facade and we don't look like a tiny little store surrounded by these large box set
you know outlets or what you know what have you. Um so it's it's it's really a um an improvement to to to the to the overall facade as well as giving um our our store more visibility. And we feel that um you know that
although we are asking for the the 8% I I think on scale you'll you you would have to agree I would hope you would agree um that you know the the wine outlet signage is consistent with with the other leaf spaces. >> Uh and Mr. Agriculture, can you describe
uh the facade improvements that are proposed as part of the application along with the sign um and just the minor changes from the plan that was submitted and the A1 that we marked tonight? >> Yes. Um you know, Raju and I have gone through a couple little uh different you
know um aesthetic changes. Um the two being major the two changes is the background behind the wine outlet was originally proposed to be a white arctic white James Hardy board. Um it is now the Navajo beige uh still James Hardy
board. Um that's kind of consistent with the other the beiges are consistent with the other tenants as well. And then we also changed the Palaster bases from being the splitfaced CMU to be a smooth brick um which is consistent with the
Burlington um and I think uh the store not not not the Bobs but the Marshalls. They have brick brick facads and it it just breaks up the the elevation of the of the shopping center a little bit more and and gives an emphasis that you know
here you are at the wine outlet. >> Excuse me. What is the square footage of the new sign area? >> The sign area proposed is 199.1 square ft. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Mr. Cer, have you concluded
your testimony? Yes, unless there are any other qu any questions. >> Very good. At this time, we can open up to the board for any questions regarding Mr. Cutler's testimony. Before we do that, Miss uh Propes, if we could just reflect for the record that Mr. Pap is in uh attendance today. >> I did. Mr. Papis entered at 719.
>> Any questions? >> Uh Katherine, what's the square footage allowed? >> So, the um it's based on a proportion. So, it's it's 5,000 square feet or 100,
but at the planning board's discretion, meaning that it needs to come before this board and not not necessarily for a variance, um it would be um 7% of the facade area, which is 173.8. >> So, this is still a little larger.
>> 90 something. I'm sorry, 16 square feet over or 26 square feet over what's allowed. >> Thank you. >> No problem. Say this looks so much better than the last one and I I really like that it's not um it's not boxed in. It does make
it look like the other businesses. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Cutler. What were some of the issues that prevented from meeting that 7% as opposed to an 8%. um just to be more consistent with uh the other stores in the shopping center. Um we obviously, you know, we want to be, you know, you
know, have the same visual appearance as as the other other tenants. And I I think that the the 8% it just gave us a little bit more more pop and made us more consistent with the other tenants. >> Mr. purpose. >> The um comparison between your sign and
the square footage of the facade of your client's store versus the others. >> I I don't have I I do not have that in front of me. Um but I do know that they vary. >> Who would have that? >> I think our our planner has that
information when he testifies. >> Okay. Thank you. >> He will testify to that. >> Thank any other questions, Mr. Cutler >> Mr. Banga. >> Uh just regarding the the windows, are those actual windows or are they facade? Um like the uh
>> um this the the entrances on my far right that is an existing existing sliding door entrance. The center windows are existing and we are proposing to install two addition the two additional windows on the left >> on the left side.
>> Right. And then is there anything protruding? Like I see there's uh two pillars it looks like. Are those decorative or are those actually coming out similar? >> Those protrude about 6 to 8 in. >> Oh, but nothing that would go to like the sidewalk. >> Over over top the existing doorway.
There is a about a twoft map canopy. Um what we're proposing to do is do kind of a a a black trim line to emulate that that uh you know in a in a in a brake metal um to to emulate that canopy but it will only stick out as far as the
plasters. >> And that would be 6 to8 in. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions? How about from our professionals? >> Thank you. Um those those windows are
that you can see into the store. They're not just faux, you know, facade. Right. >> Correct. >> I would just make a recommendation to the board as a condition of any approval if this if this application is approved that no window additional window signage be added or be allowed. Um it can add to clutter. It can add to kind of a
degradation of kind of the shopping center. So I would just make that recommendation. >> Miss Fina, could we make that a condition approval? >> Yes. Um, and then I I think that the um witness has covered most of the
questions in the joint review memo. Um, I think it's really just a matter of the planner testifying to to the relief um and providing um additional additional um commentary on on why they're seeking it. >> I had one question. Uh the last meeting
I think there were signs on this side of the building in the rear. And what is this? Proposed to just have one sign on this side of the building front. There is there is an existing sign on the rear. We're not proposing to change
that at all. >> Yeah. At at the last meeting there was a proposal for a new sign at the rear. There's nothing changing at the rear with the application now. >> And that came up because of the number of signs. So, at the time, the existing sign that was on the storefront was there. The existing sign on the back was
there in conformance. And there's a provision in the ordinance that for for shopping centers with stores over 5,000 square feet, they're limited to the three. And then the additional sign they were adding was still in conformance, but we were just noting that there were three signs. Um, the rear sign is permitted on its own as 100 square feet
up to 100 square feet. I believe it is conforming or it rece it's it's it exists there. It's not part of really this proposal, I guess. Is the sign to the rear within the conformance of the ordinance?
>> I don't Yeah. Um, my planner is saying yes. I don't have those dimensions, but nothing's being altered. So, I imagine it was previously approved at some point. >> So, would we need to make that a condition of approval that any additional signage that exists would remain
um in conformance with the ordinance? I mean, is that necessary or not? >> No. if they did want to expand anything on the rear, they'd have to come before the board for a number of signs, etc. So, um, what exists there as long as it's remaining, um, that can be captured, I think, in the record that
there is an existing sign and it's not changing and that will make sure that they would need further board approval if they did want to change it. >> Thank you. I noticed the older sign has a slightly different graphic at this point. Will there be any changes in the future proposed to that sign in the rear given that the graphics changed a little
bit? Yeah. No plan right now to change the rear sign. >> Okay. And should there be, they would have to come before the board again at that time. Is that correct? >> I think if we needed a variance, we would have to come back. I mean, if we just wanted to alter and it conformed, I assume you have a signed permit process,
but anything that wouldn't conform would have to come back. >> Mr. Burr, any questions? >> Just one question, Mr. Chairman. So, the updated exhibit that we have tonight is for just under 200 square feet. >> That's correct. >> And when you were before the board, I
may have missed this, but when you were before the board in December, can you just remind us what was being proposed at that time in terms of the square footage? >> That >> 237 >> 237. And it was it was similar in design to this current one or it's been
completely if we >> Yeah. Here, this is the proposal from December. >> Okay. Um, so those two signs, not counting the banner signs, totaled about 237 square feet and it was two separate signs. >> Very good. Thank you.
>> Any other questions from members of the board time, I'd like to invite any members of the public that have any questions directed at Mr. Cutler's testimony. Please feel free to come over at this time. None in the audience. That'll close the public portion for this witness. Thank
you, Mr. Cutler. Thank you, board. >> Thank you, chairman. Uh, my next and final witness is our professional planner, Mr. John Mcdana. >> Would you spell your last name for me? >> Sure. >> Uh, it's John Mcdana, MC, capital D O N O U G H.
>> Project planner. >> You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, help you God. >> Yes, I do. Mr. Mcdana, can you provide the board with your professional and educational background? >> Sure. Um, licensed professional planner here in the state of New Jersey. That license is current. It's in good
standing. Um, I actually have been here in front of this board before. >> Sorry about that. Much better. Okay. Again, for the record, John Mcdana, MCD O GH, project planner, licensed planner, state of New Jersey, current in good
standing, nationally state certified AICP. Um, I testify throughout the state on a nightly basis and I've been here before. >> Does the board have any questions of Mr. Mcdana's qualifications? >> The board have any objections to Mr. Mcdana's qualifications? None. Please.
>> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Mcdana, so we marked this exhibit to assist in the architect's testimony, but if you want to describe for the board uh, the exhibit you prepared for tonight, which we're calling the April 7th A2. >> Sure thing. Basically what I did was put together a before and after of what the
center looks like now or as close to real time as I can get. Uh we were here back in December. We flew the drone over the center. Um if I know if I were sitting where the board were sitting, I would want to know how this sign package is going to look with the entirety of
the facade. You've got the architectural visual. Um and so that's why I put together a visual that shows how it integrates with uh the rest of the center. Um, so you have basically what's a before and then an after. I took the elevation that the architect put
together and it fit nicely within uh the confines of of what we had shown. I think the visual is very strong that the uh applicant has achieved positive integration here and significant movement from where we were back in December. Um, my compliments to the
board. I wasn't here in December, but we all know our Supreme Court says that the land use process is supposed to be an interactive process where you with the local knowledge makes input to an applicant who's uh making an application. And uh the the hope is that
the end result is is a positive end result or taking a good plan and making it better. And I think visually that is clearly what has happened here. I don't know who it was on the board that made the comment about integrating the full facade, but I think that was a a great touch here. Um, and clearly a drastic
difference over where we had started before. Several nicities here with the application. Number one, the unifying element. There is a sign up there right now. If you want to flip back to the uh existing
and you can see we've got the wine outlet, the brand is there and the applicant was proposing the tagline over there. So you would actually have two separate signs. Uh based on this integration, the applicant's going to move both uh in a more logical fashion consistent with what we see in the rest
of the center where you've got the brand on the top and then the tagline on the bottom. Burlington's got that. Bob has Bob's has that as well. So very common uh with retail signage and this is going to present a much better image in the public realm than what we had seen
before. Not only the unifying of the sign itself and the copy of the sign, but also the better integration of the facade, more in balance and proportion with the other facades, the other storefronts that we see.
And then overall greater proportionality in terms of the overall center and how the sign package integrates within that that storefront. So we'll use this visual as strong evidence to show that the applicant is achieving good harmony here with the overall center.
Notwithstanding the relief that the applicant is seeking, the actual relief here from the PRCPD zone, your planned retail zone, is to have signage that exceeds 100 square ft. We're at 199, as you just heard, a
substantial reduction over that which was previously there. So again, another positive. Um we see that the benefit here of clear and safe site identification complimentary signage um positive visual environment
substantially outweighing any detriment with the package. The actual relief again 199 versus the 100 actually an uptick over your 7% control which you just heard from Katherine we're at 8%. So I think the board can give some
difference there as well. Um, also the sign in the back uh again is consistent with the ordinance overall. It's less than 100 square feet. It's about uh 79 feet 79 square ft and it's there. It's really
a validation of that which is there. Um all said, I think th this has landed at a good spot where the benefits of the application as a whole would substantially outweigh any detriments visually and functionally repurposing what was vacant space. uh Bed Bath and
Beyond was there. Putting this back to functional use and signage that is appropriate and reasonable is a a good basis for relief. >> That's really all I have on direct. >> Uh and Mr. Mcdana, did you hear the board member's question about um do you
have on the size of adjacent signs? >> Yes. So, I think we can turn right to the Bobs, which if you you can see it's got the word Bob's discount furniture and then the tagline of mattresses actually comes out to about 9% of the total facade. We're looking for relief
at 8%. So, we're actually less than what you see over at Bob's. The others appear to comply with the requirement of that 7%, but we do have an uptick on the unit immediately adjacent. Does >> that conclude your testimony, Mr.
Fabona? >> It does. >> Thank you very much. At this time, I'd like to open it up to any members of the board that have any questions for Mr. Mcdana. >> Sure, I can ask. Um, so, um, the proposed signs color palette and the
contrast levels used, it looks like it's a little different from the previous one. So, um, have we looked at how it would perform with, uh, people with slight color blindness or reduced color perception, people with like yellow,
green, or red, blue deficiencies? >> I I have not reviewed this from a color blindness standpoint. No. >> Okay. Yeah. Most of the colors seem like, you know, it's similar to Bob's. It's just a yellow that I see there. if if you've um you know tested it out on
just the general population around 10% might have color blindness. >> Um maybe the architect um has a >> Okay. >> You can speak. You're still under oath. >> We have used this this color palette on
other stores. Okay. Other wine outlet stores. We have not done an investigation as to um for the the color blindness as you as you suggest. Um but if the board pleases, we are open to another, you know, a different color palette if you know the board would
require that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> It sounds to me like this is brand familiarity, meeting customer expectations, similar to the Burlington with the red background. It's what a customer expects to see and helps
identify this brand. >> Mr. Chowry. >> Yes. I just want to first of all this a really great improvement. Uh looks like I even wanted to get a drink here even though I don't drink. So uh on
the windows u following up Mr. Banga's questions. It does looks like it is coming out. It It doesn't come out. It's just a facade, right? All the front windows.
Correct. It It is just a facade. As I as I mentioned earlier, over top of the the storefront on the far right where the where the entrance to the store is, it's actually about a two foot wide um um flat canopy. What we're proposing is to
create a a trim strip the same height, but it will only extend out as far as the plasters do. Um, obviously you have to cover them above. You have to have some kind of rain, you know, rain coverage on them. So, it would extend out about 6 to 8 in. We haven't done the full design at this point, but that's
what I'm expecting. >> So, it does not increase the square usable square feet at all. >> No, it does not. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions, >> Mr. Mcgura?
>> No questions, though. >> Thank you, Miss Sarma. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no um real questions. I think Mr. Mcdana has covered the necessary proofs for the relief sought. Um, and I think that, you
know, between the both witnesses testimony, they've covered both the uh explanation of the changes to from the last plan and what's proposed and also provided the proofs necessary for the relief sought from this board.
>> Engineer, Mr. Burr. Any questions? >> No questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, Mr. Burr. >> This time, I'd like to have any members of the public. I'd like to question Mr. Mcdana. Seeing none, that'll close the public portion for this witness. And I' I'd
like to have a comment as well. Actually, I'm actually very proud of the board for the work that it did back in December as well. Uh with Mr. Tvel present, I think the board did push back on the design quite a bit and I I think they it's a perfect example of exactly why uh the board is here in Bridgewire
doing its job. We're not marketing experts. We don't understand your brand or the awareness of it, but we do understand uh the um exactly the way that it was proposed and I think there were questions regarding the parapited. There were questions regarding what things would look like when the trees were in full bloom and a
lot of those things were taken into consideration because we're here members of residents of this town and this I think this exhibit crowns the center a lot more appropriately. So again, thank you to all the members of the board is a perfect example of of how a job is well done. So thank you
Okay, Miss Kimat, if there are no other questions, would you like to close it out? >> Um, sure. I really don't have anything further. I think uh Mr. Mcdana summarized, you know, the benefits of the application. Um, thank you for your kind comments. Um, we really took your comments back and I think we came up
with a great design that's an aesthetic improvement that really fits in with the shopping center despite the slight deviation based on our floor area. Um, and we can agree to Mrs. Sarmmed's condition that there would be no additional window signs. Um, so with that, we are requesting the board approve the application.
>> Thank you, Miss Kimbed. Miss Pina, have we satisfied all conditions and requests? >> Yes, you have. >> Very good. This time, I'll need a motion to approve the application with the conditions set forth. That's Mr. Banga. I'll take a second.
>> That's Miss Sakura. Miss Prosp. I have a roll call, please. >> Vasio. Yes, >> Mr. Bonjouro. >> Yes, >> Council Manisla. >> Yes, >> Mr. McGora. >> Yes, >> Mr. Papis. >> Yes,
>> Mr. Wang. >> Yes, >> Miss Sakura. >> Yes, >> Mr. Banga. >> Yes, >> Mr. Chardawitch. >> Yes, >> Mr. Chowdery. >> Yes, >> Mr. Atkins. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Congratulations. Moving along to our next application
this evening. That's 2519 PB Whitney Drive Urban Renewal LLC, block 511, lot 3, commonly known as Whitney Court East. Yes, it does. Good evening. Who will be representing
Whitney Court East this evening? >> Evening. John Sullivan. I'm an attorney with the offices of Vesta. Sullivan. Representative Zap. >> Good evening, Mr. Sullivan. >> Um, yeah, if I may, just by a brief introduction.
Um, I'm going to talk first a little bit about the applicant. Um, they are Whitney Drive Urban Renewal LLC. Um they have affiliated companies of course um who have um a fair amount of experience in well a little bit of experience in
developing these type of properties but a lot of experience in ownership and operation of these type of properties. Um it is the contract purchaser of this particular piece of property. Uh my client is under contract to buy the property from the township of
Bridgewater which is the current owner. Uh what we are proposing um is a supportive housing uh development here. So before I get into that, the property is located on Whitney
Drive East. It is the R10A zone and we have an interior vacant lot. Um it is designated as lot 3 in block 511 and it's approximately 12,500 square ft. As I mentioned, our proposal is to construct a five-unit supporting
supportive housing home. Uh this is a conditional use in the R10A zone, and I believe that uh our proposal satisfies all the conditions of the ordinance, including your affordable housing requirements. Um I noticed on the board
up here, it does say we are requesting preliminary and final site plan approval, which is correct. Um it also mentions a Dvariance and bulk variance. Uh that may have been true with our initial reiteration of the plans. Um but at this point um we do not require any
further variances. Uh what we have submitted in connection with the application is the site plan which was originally dated October 29th of 2025 last revised December 29th of 2025 prepared by Mid-Atlantic
Engineering. We also submitted a storm water management uh report dated October 27th of 2025 also prepared by Mid-Atlantic Engineering. We submitted architectural plans prepared by Thriven Design which
are dated September 4th of 2025 and we submitted the property survey prepared by Mid-Atlantic Engineering uh dated October 16th of 2025. Our witnesses tonight are Marcus Kellum. He's sitting to my left. He is a
representative of the applicant. We also have our architect uh Steven Shhatch and our engineer Ian Burton. Um so if I may, if we could have Mr. Kellum sworn in, we would begin with Mr. Kellum. >> Tell your last name, please.
>> K E L L A M. >> Please raise your right hand. You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God. I do. >> Good evening, uh, Mr. Chairman and the board. My name is Marcus Kellum. I'm uh,
here on behalf of TripleC Housing and Urban, uh, Whitney Drive Urban Renewal LLC, uh, which is a subsidiary of our organization. Triple C Housing is a nonprofit organization. We have been uh, in the communities of Middle Sex, Ocean,
Mammoth County primarily since uh, 1979. and we own 27 residential properties, one commercial property about 22,000 square feet that houses our administrative offices in North Brunswick. Um, we created this entity,
uh, Whitney Drive Urban Renewal LLC in order to acquire this property from the township um, to be able to develop affordable housing and supportive housing. That's been our niche market for uh, our entire uh, existence um,
since 79. And what we do is we provide uh both innovative supportive services for individuals and families with special needs as well as um actually doing the development. We are a developer as well. Uh and in terms of those services, they can be anything
from uh providing financial literacy to an individual and family who needs it to connecting them with resources all the way up into and through uh more intensive mental health services u for those individuals and or families. Um we
do serve multiple populations. Uh we started off as a mental health provider primarily in terms of supportive services. We have more recently over the last seven years uh utilizing the national housing trust fund through department of community affairs in terms of development have expanded our
population to work with deaf heart of hearing late deaf and deaf blind which is the proposed population to work with here. Uh we've also worked with domestic violence survivors, veterans as well as uh individuals and families who are are homeless and chronically homeless. Um,
this property uh will be maintained and pro uh managed by our own team. We do have a management team of property manager as well as uh a maintenance team of three that support all of our properties across four counties. And uh
again, we're going to be working with deaf hearter hearing late deaf and deaf blind through a partnership with New Jersey Deaf Housing. It's another nonprofit that has been doing advocacy work for this population for about 20 years um to provide housing specifically to that population who's really
interested in having more of a congregate housing. So you'll see some divine design elements in the property that offer space for them to have u the opportunity to congregate and to support that the kind of ASL learning and um
work that they want to do. Uh we will be compliant with all these units in terms of the New Jersey Fair Housing Act. As uh John mentioned, this will provide the township with uh credits towards their um fair share housing obligation of of five units um plus because we're working
with special needs. It'll give a bonus credit. So you'll actually get 10 credits um which is a win-win for both us and the township. Um, we will utilize Rehabco, which is the township's administrative agent to support uh and and actually certifying rents as well as
the tenants who are moving into these properties uh into these units as well. Um, we do propose to potentially look at two potential sources. As I noted, uh, formerly, we have we have been using the National Housing Trust Fund through the
Department of Community Affairs primarily for our most recent developments over the last seven years. we are the uh one of the most use using of that particular source. We've uh we've actually received about eight grants through the uh DC DCA and roughly
about $8 million in funding to create 18 units of affordable housing and that particular program does come with two um really good opportunities. One is the capital funding to do acquisition or in this case new construction. Uh as well as a project based voucher to make it
affordable for individuals and families earning below 30% of area meeting income which for this area is for a family of one is 32 a little over 32,000 and for a family of four is just around $46,000. Um so that's one of the property uh potential funding sources that we're
looking at to to work with. Um, and we're very familiar with the staff in that particular office. The Department of Community Affairs also has a program called the affordable housing trust fund, which you may be familiar with that we are also identifying as a potential source. Um, one good thing about that particular source is that the
governor's budget, Governor Cheryl's budget budget for this year proposes to put about $100 million into that fund. So, it'll be more fully funded than it has been in previous administrations. and that particular source there. The opportunity there is to work with maybe higher income individuals and families
moving into the property. Um because we can serve people between 50% and 80% of area median income. So that's anyone from a family of one with income of about $53,000 to a family of four and 80% of about $104,000. So there's
there's an opportunity to serve a larger population and not just fully uh extremely lowincome individuals and families. Uh we do expect to have applications ready for this assuming that we get planning board approval today. Um and submit it before or by
July 1. If not, we would be submitting those by after July 1 because the cycle of DCA's grants start again in July on July 1. Uh we would be submitting for those applications and expect that we would have a good review process and quick turnaround. And in terms of how we
work with uh all of these f the funding sources, we would be executing a note mortgage and deed restriction attached to the property to ensure that the property is maintained as affordable housing into the future.
>> Okay. You didn't leave me much left to ask you here. >> Um I just want to go uh a little project specific here. >> Yes. >> Um as I mentioned, this is going to be a five unit supporting housing project for the site. That's correct. >> And in terms of the residents, um I
think you had mentioned um that you're considering for this one a particular type of disability which would be deaf or heart of hearing. >> Yes. So that's um by DCA and all the different programs even HMFA they recognize that as a a physical
disability. Um there's approximately nine populations that we could work with that are considered special needs. >> Right. And I understand um you know from your your basic knowledge that there is a need for uh this particular housing for this particular disability. I understand there's a waiting list.
>> Yes, we do have a waiting list already of individuals um single individuals uh number of seniors actually as well as uh families that are looking for two bedrooms. Um the population in terms of the unit mix are one and twobedroom uh apartments.
>> Um yes. So the uh the unit sizes um it or the unit number of bedrooms anyway um do vary here. Um so it could be a single individual in one unit uh whereas a small family in another unit. >> That's correct. Yes.
>> And I know there's a uh community room uh proposed as part of this. Um I understand there will be some services that will be provided to the residents as opposed to um you know towards their disability as opposed to general
maintenance and things like that. Can you briefly describe what those services would be? >> Sure. So as I I noted um TripleC has been doing supportive services or innovative supportive services for our entire um existence. And so those those services can go anywhere from financial
literacy um supporting individuals who may need some support with credit. Um we're getting folks sometimes that are from homeless situations. So we understand they have credit issues. So we're working with them through some of that. Uh we do also provide again more intensive services around mental health
issues. We will also work on u various other opportunities uh vocational opportunities, educational opportunities, some fun activities as well just to kind of build a sense of community amongst the the residents there. We will also be providing um translation services uh in terms of ASL.
So we'll either have an interpreter or if uh we're actually in a process of trying to recruit a staff member that would be a services coordinator that does ASL that can help support them. We do have another property in Highland Park that we developed for this population as well which was one of the
first of its kind for the state >> and I understand um management will provide all maintenance services for the property. Is that correct? >> Yes. So we are we have again have a property manager and we have three facilities technicians that do take care of all of our properties. Um, we do have
some specialized services that we do farm out obviously to a vendor for a HVAC and some of the more specialized services that are needed that we would like to have warranties for their work, but otherwise we do handle all of our our maintenance in house.
>> Um, and how are we going to handle refu? I know we're showing on the plans that there's a refuge container. Um, it's not going to have it's not going to be a dumpster. It's going to be individual um hands within that refu area. um for both garbage and recycle. Um so
how are we going to handle that in terms of um getting that out to the street? Is that going to be something the residents do or is management going to >> So that's actually something that our services team will work with the tenants on and they actually create a schedule and each tenant is responsible for
supporting the removal of uh of the refues to the street based on our schedule with whatever vendor. We have a number of shared housing properties as well as group homes and uh we have some some larger units with 10 units that actually do the same thing. So we have a
very specific schedule that each particular tenant has the opportunity to participate in that in that schedule. And one of the board reports had uh or one of the professional reports had mentioned um a question about snow
removal and where we would store snow after a uh after lots been plowed. Can you address that? >> Yes. So we do have a vendor that does all of our snow removal as well as our landscaping during the landscaping season. uh if there's a need to remove snow from the site, they will bring a
vehicle to actually remove it from the site and we'll dump it um appropriately from that perspective. >> And can you address um what type of building security there will be? >> Um so we we are uh looking at um one an
alarm system obviously to maintain security. My apologies that is my daughter's supposed to be going to sleep now. Uh so my apologies but um we will have security um and from that perspective we do try and work through
um challenges that may come up and arise. If we need to we will we will hire a uh someone to support that in terms of a a security guard that might be on site if needed. Um we haven't really seen that as a need for most of our properties at this point. we're able to work with our services team um to
support any any particular security related needs. But generally speaking, we if we need to, we have also installed cameras on all of our exterior um exterior portions of the common spaces to ensure security is available.
>> And then entry into the building from the exterior, is that going to be governed by key or keypad? >> Uh so usually we we use a uh I think it's called Ulock. It's a um keypad that each tenant will be given either a key fob or they will have a code specific to
their their unit, if you will, to enter the property and then they will have a key to their actual door to their their unit. >> And there was also a question about the playground. Is that something that um is going to be immediately installed or is that kind of a
placeholder? >> That's a that's a placeholder for the future based on the actual tenants that we do receive. So, we want to we want to be able to provide an opportunity for families that may have small children to have space for their children to play at. Um, we work with a number of larger
developers across the state of New Jersey and we find that when there's not opportunities for the kids to to have play space outside on site, it it can become an issue, especially during the summers. Um, so we want to make sure we have a placeholder just in case. We do
have some small children that we, you know, we want to make sure they can stay occupied and that there's no issues in the future. >> And are we proposing any signage? >> Uh, no signage at this moment. It just would be the normal house numbers um that are consistent with zoning and uh
local requirements. >> And overall, you made efforts to um to design this to to look somewhat like a single family home from the exterior, right? >> Yes. our architect is very familiar with the support of housing space and uh we've done actual another property with
him and they've really focused on trying to design properties that fit into the fabric of the existing neighborhood. Um, we are, we like to say we like to have the nicest looking property on the block. And so, um, that's really important to us in terms of ensuring that our
properties and our families and our our consumers are able to be part of the community. >> And that's all I have for Mr. Kellum. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Kellum. This time, I'd like to open up to the board for any questions regarding the
testimony just heard. >> Mr. Are these rentals or sales? >> I've got Mr. It's okay. I got Mr. Chowry here first. Got his hand up a little quicker. Y >> total square feet of the building will be >> um >> just think we can have our >> Yeah.
>> Okay, no problem. >> Yep. >> Uh you already mentioned that there will be a a site manager there but not the technician because you have a technicians in other properties they will share with you. >> Yes. So our property manager floats across all of our properties. We have properties in Mammoth, uh, Ocean, Middle
Sex, and we have one property in Camden County that we manage. Um, so they float between all the properties in terms of the management piece, and then we have a facilities team that covers all of our properties. So they they also float. >> So how many how many residents total residents you are expecting to leave
there? >> This is a five-unit building. Um, so I would say minimum for a twobedroom is two families or two a two person family. So we're probably looking at between six to eight residents, but I can't speak for the
actual families at this point. >> One bedroom will be for two persons. >> No more than two people. Yep. >> Okay. And twobedroom will be maybe three or four. >> Could be. um based on requirements we can't go over four people for those but it's it's really based on the
composition of the family so depending on the number of children uh their ages and genders would determine whether or not they could qualify. I know you are basically focusing on death for heart of hearing uh communities. Uh but do you
have um you also have a handicap uh accessibility for all the first floor unit looks like? >> That's correct. >> Do you have a handicap uh capability for the second floor? >> Uh in terms of the current project design, >> no.
>> Okay. But is it can it be developed in future? The architect will address that in his comments. >> Thank you. Uh >> do you have any uh plan for a fire hydrant nearby?
>> Our engineer will address that. >> Okay. For now, uh I'm done. I'll ask them again. >> Thank you, Mr. Bonjouro. >> Um are these rentals or sales? >> Rentals. >> Rentals. >> Yes. >> Um I have a question. Um, Katherine, if
you can help me out here. I'm looking at the imperous coverage and the maximum floar and for the what the 10A, these seem to be a little high.
>> So, I apologize. On my review memo, um, the calculations that I put in for the coverage were input incorrectly. So they don't match up what's in the site plan. Uh or the site plan rather didn't include calculations. It only included the percentage. Um I went to go I forgot to
go back because um those are based one was based off of the 12,500 but hillside development it actually is a little lower. So the 60% uh should be 7,265 and the 59.99 should be 7,264.
the calculations for floor ratio should be correct. Um these are the R10A zone requires a but not this property because it's under the conditional standards requires 10,000 square ft. This property is about 12,500. So that's why that
might seem a little high. Um but hopefully those corrections um helped out. >> I'm sorry. Um so for this particular zone what is the maximum impervious coverage?
>> So for the R10A for the R10A zone it normally is 35%. >> Within the R10A zone it allows supportive need supportive housing as a conditional use which allows up to 60% and an F of6. So specifically for
supportive housing outside of the bulk standards generally for the zone this use permits something a little bit different standards >> cleared it up to me. Thank you very much. No >> problem. >> Just Mr. Chairman just to follow up on Mr. Bonjouro's. So I think I I saw 7387
somewhere and Katherine I believe you just mentioned 7265. So, is it exceeding the um percentage and not and and it's not in compliance? >> I don't believe it's exceeding. Again, they what I what was provided in the
zoning table was only in the zoning table on the site plan was only the the percentage, not the actual breakdown of the coverage. So, the number that I put in my review memo is not is an estimate based off of the lot area. Um I don't think they didn't identify a variance and I didn't see anywhere that they were
exceeding it based on the percentages provided. Um but again what I provided is not necessarily bond. It's really just an estimate to give you an idea of where they stand in relation as a percentage because a percentage doesn't give you any idea of um what it actually
is. Right? So it's just it's just a calculation I did um happened to do it incorrectly which I apologize for. Um but is an estimate. >> Thank you Mr. Banga. Mr. us. Um could uh either Mr. Sullivan or Mr. Kell clarify
the um how you're acquiring this property because I think you said acquire and I'd like you to define that so it's clear. >> Yes. Um the applicant is under contract to purchase the property from the township of Bridgewwater. Um
Bridgewwater has been the owner of this property. I recall from the title for couple of well couple of decades I think. Um and the property as far as I know has been vacant as far as uh we can recall.
>> Could you define acquire >> under contract to purchase it? >> Provide the details. >> I'm sorry. The contract details. >> Yeah, I'm providing you know I know the answer to my question and I want you to have it on put it on the record. Sure, I
can do that. The contract provides for the purchase of the property for $100. There is no contingencies for uh mortgage financing. There was a due diligence contingency which has been
deemed satisfied by the applicant. So they are prepared to move forward with the purchase of the property closing to occur 30 days um after we obtain I did say no financing contingency, but I'm going to correct
myself. um closing to occur 30 days after we obtain the approvals for this project as well as the financing um through uh the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs affordable housing
trust fund or similar um DCA housing program um in order to allow us to have the funds to construct the project. And I think that's about it other than your standard uh real estate contract
term. >> Thank you. Could you also uh outline any uh financial assistance that you're receiving from the township for this project as you talked about and your client talked about the funding that is being uh pursued from you know other
levels of government. >> Right. So, um, you know, the contract calls for funding in the amount of 1.45 million, um, you know, that, uh, our client would obtain through community affairs, um, andor private financing.
Uh, there is some language that says if there is a shortfall in funding, the township would donate a maximum of $30,000 per unit, not to exceed $150,000 toward the construction um of the project.
Thank you, Miss Armed. Could you uh describe just so the board is reminded uh how this property fits into the affordable housing plan for the township? >> Sure. Thank you. Um this project is
contributing five affordable units um towards the township's fourth round obligation. So, it is an important piece. I don't have it off the top of my head, but I assume based on the type of units that it probably does also get bonus credits at a two for one. Uh meaning that it actually counts for up
to 10 credits towards the plan. So it is um a significant part of it. And um and yes, so it is >> and this is part of the housing plan that has been approved this past year. Correct. This this >> Yes. I don't think we've gotten our
compliance certification yet, but practically from the orders from the judge, the plan is has been blessed essentially. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mavis. Thank you, M. >> Mr. Keller, just a few quick preliminary questions. Um, you mentioned that there
were um activities and services that are provided uh on site. Um, I believe we we've talked about this a few times already. The the pro the the primary tenant would be deaf and heart of hearing. um what are some of those activities that you mentioned there that would u be entertained in that community
room and how often per week would they take place? >> So um our typical services plan calls for about three activities per month and that could be a combination of things from doing activity for the children again just based on the actual tenants.
It could be an activity um that's around a holiday that's going on. It would it could also be like financial literacy which we have a number of banking partners that could come in and help support um doing some financial literacy. We have programs inhouse um that we also our services team might
present in terms of how to do you know better be a better parent um how to deal with some of the challenges in the neighborhood or in the community that may be going on and it just goes it just really depends on the needs of the actual tenants themselves. Um so we try
to do a needs assessment um kind of at admission to understand the actual needs of each particular family and we build off build off of that in terms of creating a a plan um to support their needs. >> Uh given the type of disability that's being discussed what type of or how long
is um do these require these people require supervision for during the week? Is there supervision that lives in house with these people or do they visit as needed? >> No. So, these aren't supervised um units. It's we provide services as needed. We do build a plan essentially
on a monthly basis to be able to provide those those programs and services that could support whatever their needs might be. But these are not 24-hour supervised. These aren't group homes um which we own a number of. We also have a number of semi-supervised properties where we're we're on site uh several
times a week to help support the needs of an individual person based on their specific need. But this is kind of as needed. At least three times a month, we're going to be doing some type of activity to support their needs. >> You mentioned there would be some security features on site. Um at risk of
not being insensitive given the fact that they are deaf and heart of hearing in the event of a fire. What type of alarms or enhanced alarms would there be if there's not the ability to hear an audible alarm? >> Um so yeah, our architect will talk about that in terms of the death space
design standards that we've looked at. >> Perfect. Okay. And I think I might also have another question for him as well. Is there a basement proposed for this uh facility? >> No. >> No basement. Okay. And lastly, are there any future plans for any additional coverage such as a patio? >> Not to my knowledge.
>> Okay. Uh do you typically do any of your sites typically uh enhance the the coverage once the uh structures are built? >> No. >> Okay. That's all I have for now. Does anyone >> who conducts the needs assessment?
We have a services team of clinicians. So licensed clinicians will actually do this the assessment at intake um to do they do a comprehensive >> I'm sorry >> social workers. >> So uh we do have some that have a social work background um some that also have a
psychiatric um mental health background. So it just depends on uh the the need of that particular consumer. They'll do a a comprehensive needs assessment before they actually move in to understand the actual needs and then we'll create a um what we call IRP, individual recovery
plan to help support those needs and their goals. Every 90 days they're updating that to ensure that they're uh they're meeting whatever those goals might be. Um to eventually and the goal is obviously for them to to become full-fledged members of the community. So, you know, the goal is for them to
eventually transition off of whatever that full package of services might be in the moment of their need so that we're just coming out a couple times a month to provide the services I mentioned. So, it really really depends on the actual family themselves and their needs. >> Do they have to pay for these services?
>> They do not. >> Thank you. >> Any questions from this side of the Mr. B? >> Just one question. And uh how long are the rentals uh typically? Um are they one-year rentals? Are they multi-year rentals? What does that typically look like for your
>> So we have a one-year lease um that's uh either automatically renewed um or it depends on the need of the family. They may move out sooner or later, but um our average tenency is about six years right now for tenants.
And then regarding the um the disability is that uh is it the primary uh the primary caregiver or the primary um customer in this case the >> head of household head of household has to be deemed as the having the the physical disability.
>> So not the children or >> no yeah that's >> okay >> in terms of our funding source it requires that the head of household has the disability. >> Any other questions? >> Yeah. So I I'll leave some of the uh site plan integration question for the I think architect um later on. But uh in
terms of all the mental health support that you mentioned, you know, if if there's a lot of people um that will be living here regardless of their communication barrier, like do they have access um if they can't call 988, will they be able to have access to chatbased
or video-based um communication systems um when they need that mental health support? Okay. So, in terms of us working, again, we have a property in Highland Park that we work with this this population. Um, most of them have a service that's provided
through the state where they're able to do video-based um conferencing, if you will, on their phone to get that support. We typically also, um, from a security perspective actually install camera, uh, camera based or some type of video, um, doorbell. So, there's some
level of security from that perspective. In terms of our services, we would use that that video service. Um, again, one of the things that we're looking at right now is actually hiring somebody who has ASL to support them from that perspective so that the person on site doesn't necessarily need any devices to
help support the communication necessary. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> How about from our professionals? this time. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, just a a
couple of questions. So, um, Mr. Kellum, you mentioned I think Triple C. I think you mentioned you guys own or maintain 26 or 27 >> res 27 residential properties. Yes, that's correct. >> And where is the closest one to this
site? >> That is a good question. I am not a New Jersey guy, so um, >> probably Highland Park. Scatteraway. We have two properties in the Skyaway. Yes. >> Okay. And you mentioned one in Highland
Park. Is that the other facility that's for >> for this particular impaired individual? >> That's correct. Yes. >> That's the only other one under your umbrella. >> Yes, that's we just developed that one earlier. Uh last year we started the development process. We had tenants start moving in December 30th.
>> Okay. And you had mentioned you already have a wait list for prospective applicants for this property. H how does that process work? How does somebody get selected? >> So um in terms of the waiting list, we we have a partnership with New Jersey Deaf Housing. As I mentioned earlier,
they are a advocacy agency for this particular population in terms of finding housing and specifically congregate housing to help support their needs um for communication. and they are actually the one that are prevetting applicants um understanding their uh making sure that they're getting de
verification disability going through that process with them making sure they're working with whatever um licensed professional to get that documentation and then we just have our general process um for for um admission which goes through a needs assessment
but also on the property management side we go through background check screening we have an interview we do a site visit to ensure that they you enjoy the particular location. Um they accept it and then we have to do a number of subsidy related um paperwork that gets
submitted to the state for them to go through their process in order to get subsidy if it's for if it's specifically for like national housing trust fund. Um because they're 30% of AMI, they do have to verify income. Um they also have to verify the disability at the state level
and approve it. And then there's a a number of other hoops that we have to jump through for the project based voucher to ensure it's affordable for them. >> Okay. Very good. Um and you had mentioned in response to a couple of questions, you talked a little bit about some of the services Yes.
>> that are offered in that community room. Are those services just for the tenants of this building? Would would outside people be allowed to come in and participate in any of those services or is it strictly for the tenants of this building? So that's strictly for the tenants of the building. I don't think
we would be apprehensive to working with other folks in the community who may have a similar need. Um we've done that before in some of our properties that have community space. Uh we we work very closely with um Penrose and and Edison. They have a development that has 172
units and we do provide services to everyone in the building. So all 172 units and frequently those residents will have uh family members from outside the community that will will help to support them as well during some of our programs and activities.
>> And when when we talked about security, you had mentioned that there's either a keypad or a key fob. >> Yes. >> Entrance and then individual keys for the the individual units. So, the main entrance to this building, of which I think there's just one, we'll hear from the architect, but that that main
entrance is locked at all times. Correct. Yep. >> And then the tenant via the the fob or the the keypad has to key in. And then there's a second level of security with their individual doors, assuming they >> That's correct. Yes, that's correct. Yes. >> Okay. And uh and we do have uh
electronic access to the key fob um or again a keypad um that's at the front door so we can understand if there's someone using that. Again, if we have cameras, we'll be able to see whether somebody's using the wrong code or someone's someone's using the wrong code um and they're not an actual tenant of the property.
>> And from a from a maintenance perspective, you had mentioned that you guys have a property manager and a facilities team. Yes. that on a daily basis is is touring or stopping by all the facilities. Um, is it safe to assume that every day somebody from your team
will be stopping into this particular facility or is it not necessarily on a daily basis, maybe a weekly basis somebody may come through? >> I wouldn't say it's on a daily basis. It's really based on so we do two things. One, we do quarterly inspections of all of our units. And then we have a
uh maintenance contact center that will provide the tenants with opportunity to put in work orders if there's an issue on the site. And then our team goes out and they're working those work orders daily. Um so it just depends on if there's any issues that do come up uh at the site that would require someone to
be out there. Otherwise, you're more likely to see our member of our services team coming out to help support those individuals, not necessarily the maintenance team. And in the event that there is an emergency, you know, somebody loses heat or something like that and they need to reach out to one
of your team members in the middle of the night. >> Our maintenance contact center is available 24/7 to all of our >> How's this set up with your Highland Park property with with the hearing impaired individual? How do they communicate with your team? Is it is it like a text message exchange or an email?
>> So, most of those tenants are texting or emailing. Um, we also have uh on call facilities technician 24/7 365. So there's always someone available from our team to help support in terms of maintenance needs um or an emergency. We
also have um we tend to work with the local um emergency services. So they have our contact information as well um which we will provide to them so that we can we can address any particular issues that may come up after hours or during normal business hours. >> Very good. Thank you
>> Mr. Papus >> um you caused me to think of uh years ago um I had been a student of sign language and um I it's a long time ago and um there were the relay service was in existence then you familiar with that
is that still in existence that allows a hearing impaired per hearing impaired person to in a sense be able to communicate with someone on a conventional phone. So, as I mentioned earlier, many of the tenants that we work with now have a service through the
state and it's a video conferencing um through their phone. So, they're able to sign right on their phone and it calls us and we get the call and they're actually translating over the phone. So, we're able to communicate with them that way. Um, a number of them also send us emails. So, um, our property manager is
he's not technically on call, but myself and him, we both pretty much are 24/7. Whenever someone needs us, we're there. And what's your position? >> I'm the director of community engagement and development, part of our our exec team. >> Just following up, Mr. Burr, the
maintenance, uh, exterior maintenance, I'm assuming, uh, someone on your staff or you have a vendor that takes care of landscaping. >> Yes, we have a vendor that takes care of our landscaping as well as all of our snow removal. >> Okay. And um and then u just a follow-up
question about the vetting process. You said you have a waiting list and I think you were uh Mr. Sullivan talked about that. Raabco, the township's administrative agent also, I'm assuming, is going to be involved in this process. Correct. >> Yes, we would we would work with them
very closely to make sure that tenants are actually qualified for the units. So because of the unique nature of the clients um how is that coordinated because Raabco conducts the financial eligibility and you have another layer.
So is I assume is your vetting take does that take place first? >> Uh we would probably work with both kind of in tandem and we would provide the support if needed in terms of translation services. Um and then I think the um
about the community room and the services um you mentioned that the services are primarily to be provided to the residents but that there could be others. Uh I guess a concern that I would have if this is expanded to
services to non-residents is it's a it's a small property. It's a dead-end street. Uh there is limited parking. >> Yep. >> And um I'm concerned about this potentially
being expanded to be to allow non-residents to participate because how is that going to be addressed from a vehicular parking and so forth? So could you could you address that because I think we may consider a condition on that.
>> No. And I completely understand um the concern. The the reality is that we this particular population likes to have congregate housing. They want to be together. And so working with our partner New Jersey Dev Housing, there could be an opportunity for us to have some of their constituents that are in
the area to be able to kind of pro provide that opportunity for community. Um, I would say the the other part of this that we would be interested in doing is maybe working with the township to maybe if there's some community space within the community where we could do something a little bit larger to bring that community together. That would be
an opportunity. We we've again we have a a fairly sizable space at one of our properties in Edison that we do some some of that engagement that brings folks from the outside in and making that an opportunity. So, that's something we would we would certainly
want to work with the township on or local vendors or entities that have space available to be able to to facilitate that community development and engagement. >> I understand. Um but just somehow I don't know how we address that in the
approval because if it's not addressed then um there's there's no ability to limit the potential um you know vehicles where where would they park? And I I just think because of
the nature of the neighborhood, while I understand the the population that you're serving and and the what you've said is very compelling, but how do we balance that with the reality of the landscape and the limited um parking in
that in that neighborhood? Thank you. >> Certainly. I think I think in terms of um just responding to your question um what would probably make the most sense is for us to be very contingent and working with the the township on finding
some additional space offsite where there is uh opportunity for parking and to you know address those particular concerns and we will just maintain just our internal services for these five units on that property and we're okay with that.
>> Thank you. I had a question. I just wanted to clarify uh for the each of the units for the two-bedroom, are these co cohesive families that are applying to live in there or could they be roommates or um anyone could be living in there?
>> So, in terms of the funding source, they cannot be unrelated persons unless they're obviously married. Um but they it would have to be actual family. >> Any other questions? I just had one, Mr. Chairman. Mr. >> Sman, you um just one question. Um as
far as parking on this site and some of your other properties, h how does it compare as far as the amount of parking parking that's provided? Um and and if it's adequate for, you know, this number of tenants. >> So many of our other properties that do that have some type of parking area. Um
typically we have enough parking spaces for each unit um at the property, so there's no need to actually park on the street. Um, typically we haven't seen that with our properties. We also find that in our one-bedroom units, typically our tenants don't have cars. Um, especially those that are in the
extremely low income, um, uh, range in terms of income. So, it's more so the families may have a vehicle. Um, at our other property in Highland Park, only one of the the four tenants actually has a vehicle, but we have off-site off- streetet parking for all tenants.
>> Right. And you would regulate I I imagine by the lease agreements that you know you would limit the number of cars if you if necessary per unit. Okay. >> Yes, that's correct. And we do collect that information for the vehicles to understand what vehicles should be on our property and if we have to get them
removed, we'll remove vehicles that don't belong there. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Sarm. Mr. Burr, any further questions? >> No, Mr. Chairman, that's all I have. >> Thank you. Any members of the board have any further questions? Just one last question on the playground that was mentioned. Um would that be just a
regular playground or would you consider some special sensory um type playground for the children there? >> We would we would consider what's what's appropriate for the families that are living at the property. So if it's sensory based, yes, we would we would
want to make sure that it fits the needs of those those families living there. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> It's time I'd like to open up any questions for the public. Mr. Kell. No public present. That'll close the public portion for the uh questioning
for Mr. Kell. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Uh yeah. Next would be our architect. Good evening. We'll swear you in. >> I'm sorry. Could you just state your name for the record? >> Name is Steven Shock. >> Can you spell your last name?
>> That's S C H O C H. >> Thank you. Can you raise your right hand? Do you swear? Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, help you God. >> I do. >> And Mr. Shots, could you state your qualifications for the board? >> Certainly. Uh, I'm a principal architect
at Thriven Design. Uh, we're locate located in Collinswood, New Jersey. Um, I am a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey and have been so in good standing since 1987. >> And have you previously um provided testimony before any um land use boards?
more times than I'd care to remember. >> We would ask that Mr. Shots be so accepted. >> Does the board have any objections to Mr. Shock's qualifications? >> Please proceed. >> Um, now your firm had prepared the architectural plans that we've submitted to the board.
>> We did. >> And you're familiar with the site and the application before the board? >> I am. >> And could you describe the um proposed structure to the board um in terms of both um floor plans as well as elevation? Certainly. Um I'll be referring to the
the simply the exhibits that were provided in the advanced materials. Um first just to basically walk through the the physical construction of the building. It's a two-story building and the the intention of design basically is
to create a five family structure that has the the bulk and appearance basically like a big house that because we're in a on the edge of a residential neighborhood. uh it's most appropriate in our opinion to to to manifest that in
a way that uh evokes a similar massing and scale of some of the the buildings around. Uh so it's a new two-story. There's no basement. There's no attic. So it's simply uh five units. Uh there are three units on the ground floor. There's one two-bedroom unit and two
one-bedroom units on the ground floor. And the second floor has a single two-bedroom unit and a single one-bedroom unit. uh they are unlike many um apartment buildings. They're not stacked up right all all in a regular
fashion. It's a very asymmetrical floor plan. That's by intent with five units. What that allows us to do is to manipulate the roof lines in such a way that it doesn't come across like like the big box that that you might expect from from a uh uh an apartment type of
building. It is from a building code standpoint classified as an apartment building. It's it's an R2 structure from the building code standpoint. Um it is not um any type of care facility or or anything like that. I know there's been
some discussion about the the the residents. This is to be built just like any other fully independently uh occupied apartment structure. So it'll have a sprinkler system for full fire protection. uh each of the units will be
uh constructed in a manner where there'll be certain fire integrity between uh the separations between units and both horizontally from the first floor to the second floor as well as uh side to side when you've got two units adjacent to one another. So all of those building code aspects will be uh uh
complied with. Um the units themselves, as I said, there are three one-bedroom units and each of those are 676 ft. The two-bedroom units are 862 ft. The square footage and design of the units themselves are all in compliance with
the state uh requirements, the U-Hack requirements that uh regulate the design standards for affordable housing in the state of New Jersey as well as there are some additional standards that sometimes the funding sources that uh Mr. Kellum was discussing. Sometimes different
funding sources will add layers of additional uh physical criteria to it. Uh so we've already anticipated that. So they are designed in accordance to all the intended uh funding sources. Uh the community room is on the ground floor
immediately adjacent to the uh to the uh entrance. Um there's been some discussion over over that room already. Uh I'd simply like to point out that that room is only 271 square ft. It's effectively
another living room. Roughly about 12 feet by 22 feet is a is the same kind of of square footage. So to the concern that there might be more activity there that would drive. It's really not an assembly type of space where you would have be able to
even accommodate uh any kind of larger gathering. Generally the services Mr. Kelum uh described are often provided to the residents in their home in their unit. Uh but there are sometimes when it may be beneficial for for one or more of
the residents uh to to meet with somebody in that room on the ground floor. That's really what it's there for. It's primarily a convenience space and additional uh uh basically an extra living room. Um there is an open porch
shifting the the exhibit to the color rendering uh of the view from uh Whitney Cord East. Uh there there as you can see the the design is such where the roof on the on the left side of the building slopes down uh so it's kind of an asymmetrical massing uh and there is a
front porch that faces Whitney Court and has an access directly from the street as well as from the parking area immediately next to it. Um, the total square footage of the building, I think that question was asked. The total square footage is 5,942
uh square feet, which is just shy of 6,000. Uh, so when you think and that's a combination of the units as well as the uh that that common area as well as uh the stairwell and the hallway and
things of that nature. So, it's certainly larger than a single family home in this neighborhood would be. Uh, but it is also five families. It's not intended to pretend it's a small single home. It's int the intention is for it
to as a five family structure fit well architecturally and and contextually in with the the rest of the neighborhood. The idea for most affordable housing and certainly supportive housing uh and Mr. column discussed this as well is the
notion that as people are driving by they really shouldn't be able to tell that that uh that there shouldn't be significant clues that it's either affordable housing or special needs housing. There will be some things that that obviously people can see. There
might be a cluster mailbox that the post office requires that that has to be there. Most single family homes don't have a sevencar parking lot. Uh but again those things are at the end of the uh the dead end. Uh so they won't be really apparent to the the casual bypass
the casual person passing by. Uh there was some discussion about the the particular features in the units for uh the intended population of deaf and heart of hearing. Most of most of that is dealt with primarily through devices
and and through the specification of certain certain things. Um generally it's a matter of flashing lights for when people are alert and awake. There are strobes that that are in the various rooms that are tied to the uh emergency
systems. If the alarm goes off or something like that, there are lights flashing in in all these areas. Now, lights flashing might wake somebody up, they might not if they're asleep. There's also devices that effectively shake the bed. Uh, and and that is the
the other main uh method to make sure that this particular population uh is well cared for and and won't uh ignore an emergency an emergency type of situation. Um
there was a question about the the physical accessibility uh on on this building. The three units that are on the ground floor are designed for u for uh the passages and things of that nature for wheelchair accessibility in accordance with the ADA
as well as the uh state of New Jersey barrier free codes. The upper floors are not accessible. That there's no requirement by either funding sources, building codes or or any to require an elevator in a building of this size. What the codes do require is that when
you have a a building that has ground flooror units, the ground floor units comply. And in in this case, three out of five will be either accessible or easily adapted for that because they're on an accessible route. Uh the the
addition of an elevator would do several things. It would make the building bigger than it otherwise would be. It would probably change the electrical service distribution that you would need. It would certainly incur much higher first cost and ongoing maintenance issues for an elevator that
is fairly rarely used. Uh so that's why it's very common in buildings like this for the ground floor units to be accessible and the upper floor ones not. And with this particular population, while it's possible you might have someone with the the the deaf and harden
of hearing also have a mobility impairment, it's not the the typical makeup of that that particular special needs group. Uh so most the the vast majority of that group is fully ambulatory and and can make use of the upper upper units.
So that's the functional uh aspect of of uh the design from from the the exterior. I simply wanted to to uh note that it is a two-story structure uh by the way your your height is calculated from average grade to the top. Uh we are
at 29 ft 6 in. So we're under 30 feet. What is allowed is 2 and 1/2 stories 35 ft. So we're well below what what is uh uh permitted in in the zone. Again, no no height variance is required. Um the
design is very common residential materials. Uh a lot of like hardy type of of siding. Um all of this is very energy efficient. Uh there are codes and also requirements by the agencies to use sustainable
materials. uh low VOCC uh or no VOCC uh volatile organic compound type of material so that it improves indoor air quality uh the energy efficiency standards required and imposed by the funding sources exceed the energy codes
of the state. So it it's very often I will say that affordable housing is is affordable to occupy. It's not all that affordable to build because it it's actually held to a higher construction standard than than what a typical
developer of of housing would be held to. Uh so it's very very high quality. Um last thing I wanted to to add was uh there was a note about the HVAC equipment. Uh you'll see on the plan behind the building in the rear yard
there are several uh uh notations for HVAC equipment based on the ground in the rear yard. There's nothing on the roof, there's nothing on the front yard. There is nothing visible from the public right of way. Uh so these units are typically all independent in terms of
their utilities. So they they all get their own utility bills. Uh there's obviously a sixth system for the common areas so that uh no one individual is paying for that that meeting space or or the common hallways. Uh so there be six
systems and they're generally what are referred to as mini split type of systems. They can be either ducted systems or console systems on the inside. They're not designed to be the through the wall big big grill under the under the window kind of thing that you're you might be thinking of. Um, so
that the you've got the outside condensing units, very common for residential. In fact, they're smaller than what most single families homes have because they're very efficient. Um, and there are no grills coming coming through the walls. So, that's all screened from from view of the public
right away because that was a comment. What did I miss? >> Um, let's talk quickly about fire department. They had a couple of comments for the FDC to be in front as well as a knock. Knock. Yes, that can be that can be that's very common and can be accommodated. Uh that's simply the
ability for first responders to have the ability to bypass the the the front door lock when they need to uh respond to an emergency. >> And then there was um I think a comment in Mr. report um your opinion in terms of how
the scale design materials um and the overall structure relate to neighboring structures >> as as I I've kind of said already uh this is a little bit larger than some of
the other lots in that neighborhood. You know, it's 125 ft wide, 100 ft deep. Um there are some two-story structures around. Uh immediately across the street we see the back of I think it's called the Pathways uh multif family. Uh many
of the other single family homes, some are one-story ranchers, others are they have twotory elements to them. They all have these kinds of sloped roofs. Uh so we're using the same kind of details and just very traditional uh design style.
We're not trying to to to stand out. We're trying to blend in and and that's the intent. Uh, that's all I have. >> Very much like to open up the board for any question for Mr. Schul, >> Mr. Bjouro.
>> Yes. Um, I'd like a condition for snow removal and grass maintenance. Can we get that? >> Okay. If you could elaborate, Mr. Bunar, now. Well, there's going to be grass needs to be trimmed. Bushes need to be
kept and snow removal so they can get into the parking lot. Can that be a condition for approval? >> Do we have building codes that would apply to the removal of snow as well as upkeep of property?
>> I don't know of any building code regarding snow. Um there is a an ordinance that deals with grass uh can be enforced by the zoning officer and the health department. >> As far as adding a condition, Miss Fina,
essentially you're adding a a condition for um enforcement of of existing code from what I understand. >> That's what I would think. Um, and it's your testimony that you're going to both maintain the pro I'm not
even sure it's the architect's testimony. Maybe it was Mr. Helen's testimony. You do intend to upkeep the property both um the grass area as well as um the snow removal. Correct.
>> I'm gonna ask a question regarding it. So, is it a no snow policy? Is it a one inch? When do they start plowing? Up to you. >> Yeah, that would be >> Yes, please. >> So, in terms of snow removal, so we have a um a contractor that does all of our
grass cutting. They start around April 1st. They do clean up as well around November to start cleaning up the area. Uh we do um you know, mulching. We trim our bushes and cut back trees as needed. In terms of snow removal, it's it's
literally if there's a snow related event planned, they come out and start salting almost immediately. And our contract is based on the inches of snow that that actually are accumulated, but they're they're usually out within the time that it actually stops snowing. Um
they're out actually plowing and taking care of it for us. >> And then landscaping. Um, how often do they cut? >> Uh, we typically So, it depends on how fast the grass grows and every neighborhood is a little different, but it's either every week or every other week.
>> Y Mr. Chairman, oh, can I ask >> Mr. Bjorn, does that does that address your concern? >> Yes, it does. >> Thank you, Mr. Chowry. >> Thank you. Uh, yep. I think you already explained the square feet for our twobedroom, one bedroom, and everything
is designed. uh in the drawing itself. >> Yes. >> On the laundry room. Uh this laundry room is in a common area. It's for use for everybody or somebody can buy their own laundry in in up. >> Thank you for bringing it because I don't think I mentioned the laundry. Uh
there are actually two laundry rooms that are off the the common corridor. One on the second floor and one on the first floor. Uh yes, there those machines are available for the tenants to use corporately. They're not private. So the three on the ground floor will typically use the two laundry machines
that are on the ground floor uh laundry room and the ones upstairs have one on their floor. That way they don't have to bring laundry up and down down the stairs. Um t actually when designing the standards for laundry for multif family
uh for non-age restricted the standard is typically two machines for 10 units. We have four machines. We we have twice that effectively. So there there's more than enough laundry provision for this this unit.
>> Okay. Um Mr. Kellum, I think it may be for you or you don't know. Um but this first the common room can be used by tenant for their own individual function or it's only for the common
services. So, the tenants uh would have the ability to work with our services department if they needed to book the space for, you know, birthday party or something like that, but um they they work with our services department, not necessarily our property management team. That that part I would just note that the community room will also have a
key lock on it so we know who is going in and out of it. Um, we do that at all of our properties that have community spaces that are available to the tenants. >> Okay, stick around. That's you actually opened up another question there. Uh, on the main door when somebody basically
try to open it, obviously the tenant can obviously know all the code and everything else they can go in there. Suppose somebody try to open it, you uh basically watch it from a central locations or uh how you will know that okay this is not one of our tenant. So,
we um so those devices, I don't know if you're familiar with them, but I have one at my home and it actually is usually attached to an app or we have an online system that we use where we can tap into it from anywhere as long as we have internet access and it notifies us
if someone's trying to get in with the wrong code. Um it also would if we choose to set up alerts, it would tell us exactly when everybody comes in and out the property based on their code that they used. Yeah, these are important because now you're talking about deaf or heart of hearing. So, you
know, normal person will obviously hear something but tenant may not hear it. So, is there any extra precaution there for that? >> Um, we can look into the what other options there might be for this particular population from that perspective. I'm not off top of my head
I'm not familiar with a specific device that may do that but we can certainly we're willing to do whatever is necessary to provide the services to this particular population. >> Okay. It actually will not have so-called individual device but it can have a unit on each individual
so-called unit twobedroom or one bedroom that sound instead of signaling it will be sound. Well sound doesn't help anything but at least in a video or something you can project it. Yeah, we we would um again look at what kind of devices are out there that um are on the market that could serve that particular
need and we'd be we'd be happy to to provide specifications on that. >> Okay. Thank you. Especially it will be important for if the onebedroom or two bedroom in the ground floor uh has a people with a harding as well as the disability. >> Yes. >> Uh that'll be very helpful.
>> Yeah. All of our just in reference to door handles, we always use levers um just for ADA compliance. So, uh, in terms of physical need and using, that's that's going to be, um, for every single door handle on the property will be like that.
>> Thank you. Coming back to you, sir. Uh, on the open volume and the second floor that >> So, you need two chairs down here. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. On the second floor, the open volume that is a part of the the two bedroom or it is basically just
facade. >> The area on the second floor that's marked as open. >> Mhm. That is simply a two-story space in the common space. It is not it is not connected to the two-bedroom unit at all. >> So that space there is basically there is nothing there but nobody can use >> there's no floor there. It's simply a
tall ceiling in under the uh for the common room. >> Oh okay. Just a curio didn't you design that one for at least usable space for somebody? quite honestly square footage and it
cost money. >> Okay, it's a very nice space to utilize it. Uh let's go to the parking space. I think um uh Mr. Papas already asked. So there is no extra parking space here.
>> There are I believe seven parking spaces for five units. >> Okay. >> So So typically as Mr. Kellum had testified and there will be other testimony from uh the engineer on the parking the more specific to the parking
uh but Mr. Kellum already testified that many times in their experience one-bedroom units sometimes don't have any cars uh and from my experience doing affordable housing throughout the state of New Jersey
it's rare that we ever see a need of more than one car per unit. Okay. >> And even at that point, the utilization of the parking is is less than that. >> We see that in hundreds and hundreds. >> I'm sure you you are experienced with that one. Now, since you have a handicap
accessibility, so how many handicap uh spaces we have? >> I believe there's there's there's one that is set aside for that. >> For the in terms of the parking lot, we can have our engineer discuss that. >> Okay. No problem at all. Uh okay. For
now, I'm okay. Thanks. >> Thank you, Mr. Chowry, any other questions? >> Um, >> Mr. Wag. >> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Um um uh is there any um bicycle um parking
space for for these tenants? >> So, we don't we don't currently have u any dedicated enclosed bicycle parking. Um, but that if that is the the pleasure of the board that to install some type of bike rack or or something like that,
I'm sure that the the applicant would be amendable to it. >> Mhm. Um, is there any um in the attic in the attic? Is there any space to store some uh you know for your maintenance team or something?
>> No, the the attic is is basically a roof truss. Uh so that there it's not a conventionally framed attic. Uh there's no access to it other than what's required by the code. The the code requires a a an access panel simply to
primarily it's for firefighters to to make sure that the attic is clear in the event of an emergency. But it is not designed for storage and it is not designed for occupancy. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. >> I'd like to compliment on the structure. I think it's it's a very handsome
structure and I I think given the fact that you're you're putting five tenants in there, I think you've you've put a lot of homework into that design. So, thank you. >> All right. Um I do have a question. How how are you proposing to shade some of the larger parts of the structure to the rear? What's a deciduous tree coverage
looking like or what's proposed to be planted? >> I'm going to defer that to the engineer who prepared the landscape plan. >> Okay. Thank you. Um going back to the front entrance, we talked about the code a little bit. uh the code that's provided to each tenant, is it unique per tenant or is there a general code?
How's it typically done for all the other uh sites that you have throughout the state? >> For example, if um if there's five tenants, does each tenant have the same code to enter the front door or is there a unique code per tenant? >> Oh, the the security code. >> The security code tend to the front
door. >> Typically, that is something unique to an individual tenant. It's it's a digital version of what most people would refer to as like a keyed system where you have a key, I have a key, my key doesn't work in your door. The the owner has a master key that works in all
the doors, but that's not the case for the individual tenants. >> Are there any >> it's a digital version of that that philosophy? Are there any planned uh or are there any plans I should say for uh delivery people to for example Amazon has services these days where you can
provide them a code to be able to deliver within the structure. There's no no plan currently for Amazon to deliver within the structure. Typically that is when you have a mail room or a package room inside the structure uh that is set up for that. Uh
this is too small for for a room like that. In fact, the the mail is going to obviously we have to to work with the local postmaster. Uh but the mail is going to likely be handled at the curb where everybody else is. We'd love to be for it to be under the cover of the porch. We're not sure we can get the
postman to to actually go from the street to the porch. Um but that's entirely up to them. As far as packages and delivery, uh the it's an ampleized porch, so those things can be dropped off just like on your house or mine.
>> Okay. So access will be limited to the tenant and the managed services. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um what's the illumination look like on the front door? Are there street lights or is there a fair illumination for entrance? >> Um again the the illumination plan the lighting plan was prepared by the
engineer. Okay. >> Uh but the the porch the intention is for it to be very similar to a big house. The porch has some ceiling lights in it that that will illuminate the that and I believe that the building has some sidewall lighting that provides some
illumination to the uh the parking area in the rear yard. >> Okay. Um a few other questions for the engineer. I one last one for you. Um I am very focused on the needs of the proposed tenant and uh we talked about the devices that would be used for for fire uh alert and all that, but um the
fire department didn't ask this question, but I'm going to. It might be a little technical, but these shake devices that you mentioned, uh, do you know approximately at how many parts per million they go off? >> How many parts per million? >> For example, if there's a carbon monoxide leak in a home, uh, it's
typically recommended that you evacuate a home around 50 parts per million. You could start getting sick around 35 parts per million. I'm just curious at what >> So, the devices are not ti They're not sensors of the indoor air environment themselves. Okay, >> they are electronically tied to the
carbon monoxide detection system or to the uh fire sprinkler system. So if the sprinklers go off, if the the alarms that are designed to to identify exactly the situations you're talking about, if there's an alarm happening at that
device, it triggers electronically the shaking device or or the strobes. >> Okay. I I think my question is probably a little technical in nature and that I'm looking for the exact technology or the system that you're going to be using >> that I don't know it's something that we will ultimately specify as we get
further along in the design. Um but uh obviously those systems are governed by the building codes and we'll be in compliance with that. And I only ask because recently it's made headlines that a lot of these systems that are used today, even for residential, uh, believe it or not, they don't go off
sometimes till four to five hours, takes a long time to reach those parts per million. So when I'm thinking about an special need tenant, especially that, you know, doesn't have an audible alarm to help them. That's why I'm asking these questions. So thank you for entertaining them. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, that's all I have for now. Are
there any other questions from our deas? >> Mr. Chairman, >> Mr. Banga, >> can you just help me reconcile a couple of numbers? So, I'm looking at the improved lot coverage calculation worksheet and I see footprint of area 328
on your sheet. I see 36 79 for the first floor. >> Our engineer will address that. >> Yeah, the lot the lot coverage calculations I'm going to defer to uh the civil engineer. >> Okay. And then just with regards to the patio or the porch
all in um that is sufficient for two wheelchairs kind of going be going back and forth. What is the size of that? And then just with regards to the door, it looks like just one the main door one
wheelchair can go through. I just want >> Yeah, the the the main door it the main door uh again compliance with the the codes that that govern such things. Uh it has a clearance for for the wheelchair passage. So it's a it's a typically a normal 36-inch wide door uh
is satisfactory for for that. Uh so and and the porch itself in terms of its depth from the face of the wall to its outer edge uh it's I'm estimating that it's approximately 7 to 8 feet. So that's more than enough space for two wheelchairs to pass by one
another in the rare event that that you would have one coming and one going. >> And then the intent of that patio space remain open. >> Yes. that that that's simply like an open front porch with columns to and it's covered
>> and then the door will have a button with a compare >> that is that is actually not a requirement. um that you're you're thinking of in a commercial property, there would be a a
a paddle type of thing that would automat that that is a function in the codes of a certain level of occupancy that that this building would wouldn't come close to. So the idea would be if you're in a wheelchair and you live there, your your
key code will open the door and the door can open. You can get get in. Uh that's the way most residential >> automatically open. Well, you can open the door. You can open the door because you've got the ability to reach to do that. You pass through and then you
close the door. That is the way the vast majority of of residential accessibility is dealt with. >> How difficult would it be to have the functionality? >> I'm not saying it would be difficult or impossible. I'm simply saying that
number one, that is a technical piece that has not been designed yet. And number two, it's not very common in a building of this size. Okay, >> excuse me. >> That's the reason three. Uh, are you
cutting any trees or displacing it? >> Again, I'll defer to the civil engineer, but I believe it's basically a vacant lot. >> Okay. No, I see in the backside there's some trees. That's why I'm asking. Uh okay. He your engineer will explain to you then.
>> Yes, no problem. Uh we also talk about fire hydrant. I think there is there will be one or there is no need for it. >> Again the the engineer will will address that. >> Good enough. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? Mr. Muro.
>> How many residents can that building uh accommodate? >> Again, Mr. Kellum addressed that in terms of the occupancy of a one-bedroom unit, you can occupy at most with two people. So, there are three one-bedroom units that could be at most at maximum
occupancy would be six for those units. A two-bedroom unit, maximum occupancy would be four. So, >> so for the building would be how much? >> 14. At total maximum of what's allowed is 14. from a practical application,
it's unlikely it's going to to to go that high because very often those one-bedroom units are sing single person households. >> Okay. Thank you. >> How many vehicles that we mentioned were uh permitted per family? Were was there
a limit to the amount of vehicles >> in terms of the the applicants >> per tenant? Yeah. >> Typically one. Okay. Any questions from our professionals?
>> Just a few, Mr. Chairman. Um, I know you'd mentioned the mechanicals, the um the units in the rear of the building, and I I don't know if I raised it in my review. I did ask where they were, but I was wondering if there's a, you know,
any possibility to screen those from a noise attenuation perspective more so than anything else than visual. um because of the proximity of the neighbor at the rear. Um they that neighbor is there is a fence separating an existing fence separating
the two, but that is someone else's backyard. And I'm I'm just nervous that you know maybe one air conditioner is one, but the hum of you know five or six can add can be cumulative. So um if there is any ability to kind of individually attenuate the noise there,
um I I I would appreciate it. It's not uncommon to place some uh some low shrubbery and things like that. Uh but we do have to maintain the necessary air clearances for the equipment to function properly. >> And I think that's fine. I think right now there is a landscape bed around it.
There are some plantings all the way to the rear. Um but if there's anything that can be done less, again less from a visual perspective. Um, I don't think that portion of the backyard's really proposed to be utilized for anything but the the play equipment potentially, which is to adjacent to it, but I think
anything that can help attenuate would be helpful. >> Um, and there is a portion of the building with doors accessed from the exterior that's marked as utility. Can you just provide what that is to be
utilized for? Well, t typically that would be the water service room where the fire apparatus would be. So that would be something where the uh as requested by the fire department, they'll be able to access that without gaining entrance to the secured areas
and going through the knockbox. They would have access to to those water controls uh from directly from the uh >> Okay. Thank you. Um, and I This is probably a question for the engineer, but um, has there been any perimeter fencing for the property that's been
explored? >> That is a question for the engineer. >> Thank you. That's all I have. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Ward. Engineer, Mr. Burr. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Few few questions, Steve. So, I think we heard previously no basement is correct on this building. Okay. And I don't I can't
see the exhibit that's on the board. I don't need to see it. Um, but I'm looking at the color rendering that was attached to the submission. >> It's the same exhibit. >> Is that the same? >> Yes. >> So, is is this a fair representation of what this building might look like? That's what's being proposed, the gray.
Yes. Earth tone. >> Okay. >> We we spoke with the applicant uh over several Their intention was not to to have very vibrant colors, but something of of an understated and I think the word was elegant uh that they were looking for.
>> Okay. Um, and we established there's five units being proposed. Each unit has interior access from from the interior corridors or hallways. Correct. >> Correct. >> There's no other exterior entrances to
these units. >> There is a single entrance from the the front that you see off the porch. >> And is that's not a code requirement to have? >> Nope. additional access. >> The the windows, the the individual windows in the sleeping areas have to be
designed of a certain size to act as a second emergency. Uh but in a fire sprinkler building that has fewer than four units per floor, that qualifies as a building with one exit. >> Okay. So, the only common the only exterior common space is the covered
porch entrance. There's not going to be any other patio spaces around the side or >> That is correct. Okay. Um, last question I have is lighting. And I know the engineer is going to cover his
lighting plan, but as it relates to your architectural, there's a number of wallpack units of building mounted lights around the perimeter of the building. Are they necessary? >> I believe the the engineer and I have spoken about possibly scaling some of
those back, especially the one on the west facade. Uh, >> yeah. it. Frankly, I don't think we need that one at all. Um, and maybe not as much in the rear. >> I understand wanting to have some additional lighting on the parking lot,
the driveway side, but to the west to the rear where you have the immediately adjacent residential properties, I'd recommend we lose that. We're >> we're stealing a little of Ian's thunder. >> Very good. I'll leave it at that. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> Thank you, Mr. Burr. Any other questions? Any questions from our public? No public present. That'll close the public portion for this witness. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Who is your next witness? >> Our final witness for the night is our
engineer, Ian Burton. Mr. Burton, if you're set, could you raise your right hand to be sworn in? >> Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will help you God? >> I do. >> B, would you state your qualifications for the board? Sure. Um, my name is Ian
Burn from Mid-Atlantic Engineering. I'm the site civil engineer for the project. Um, I have a bachelor's of science degree in in civil engineering from the College of New Jersey in 2012 and a professional engineering license in the state of New Jersey since 2017. My license is active and in good standing.
>> And have you previously uh testified before any land use boards? >> I have. >> And you've been accepted as an expert in engineering? >> I have. >> And we would ask that Mr. Burton be so accepted. >> Does the board have any objections to Mr. Burton's qualifications. Please proceed.
>> Okay, >> Mr. Burton, uh you prepared uh the site plan that we've submitted in connection with this application, >> correct? >> And you're famili excuse me site as it currently exists? >> Correct. Yes.
>> And you're familiar with the proposal before the board? >> Yes. >> Uh let's just start um in terms of the site as it exists. Um can you describe that? describe the site and indicate whether there's any environmental strengths.
>> Sure. And I guess if I may, I have three exhibits uh that have not been previously submitted. Um that were all dated April 7th, 2026. Um first one's titled O overall aerial. >> How would you like that marked?
>> Uh A1 with today's date. Uh so referring to this uh exhibit, the the site is in the center. Um it's located off of the site is located on on Whitney Court. Uh it's known as block 511 lot 3 and consists of 29 acres or
12,500 ft located in the R uh R10A zone, moderate density residential. Um the site is uh adjacent to an office building to the east. uh has residential houses to the north and to the west and
zooming out generally in the facility in the vicinity. It's north of Route 2 287 south of the Somerset County Library. It's just a building west of the Somerset County Vocational High School and there are some a large retirement apartments to the west. Um
the site is uh vacant and undeveloped in its current state with uh you know covered in grass and a number of both I think live and dead trees around the perimeter. There are no known environmental uh constraints on site. My next have another exhibit which is
the site rendering uh also dated April 7th 2026 >> A2. Uh so this depicts, you know, the building footprint, um which is the five unit, two-story support of housing. Uh it shows, uh the pedestrian access with
a sidewalk off of Whitney Court towards the center of the site. Uh and it also has the accessible path, uh through the patio towards the parking lot to the east where we have the seven parking seven space parking lot uh and a 22 foot
drive aisle. Um this uh based off code, the site requires 1.5 spaces per unit. Uh for the five units, there are seven and a half spaces required. Um relying on the state's EV uh rules, which allows 10% reduction. Um that would result in I
guess a decrease by 75 spaces. Uh so a total requirement of 6.75 rounding up to seven, which is the number we provided. Um I think uh in consultation with your professionals uh letters we have two EVs shown here but uh we're amenable to
reducing that to just one EV for the site and we also have the one ADA loading uh one day space and loading stall. Um the site would you know as functioning as you know similar single family residential uh we would
anticipate similar um delivery vehicles uh to to uh park quickly on Whitney Court and walk up the path to drop off the packages on the on the patio. Um, again, there's a 22 foot wide drive aisle based off of the the low number of
parking spaces and the, you know, minimal speed that people will be accessing the site. We feel that 22 ft is is adequate, uh, width for for access to get in and out of the site. Uh, describing some, you know, the site's drainage and storm water. The site is not located within a FEMA flood
zone. uh and uh based on my read is not is not applicable to the bridgewater flood damage prevention ordinance since it's not in any special flood areas. Uh the site will maintain generally the existing curb elevations which range from uh you know 115 on the left and
goes uh up to 122 on the right. So the the road has about a 4% slope which we'll we will maintain. This this uh building sits in the you know high high on the site at elevation 122.3 which allows the drainage away from the building. Um the parking ranges from
elevation 121 to 122 with a a high point in the ridge generally where my cursor is now. that allows the runoff to drain either to the uh north uh and then through a curb cut adjacent to the where the trash will be stored and um with the
grass swale uh the topography will will drain around the building uh along the west side of the house towards Whitney Drive or any other drainage uh south of that ridge line will will follow the the parking lot towards Whitney Drive which generally follows the uh existing
drainage patterns. Um the since the site uh is so small, the site um is not considered a major development for stormwater standards per the state state rules as it does not disturb more than a an acre of land or quarter acre of impervious. Uh we did
kind of grade the site to meet the town's four runoff standards uh in that we are uh directing runoff away from our adjacent neighbors. uh we are maintaining the generally the the drainage patterns where everything is draining towards Whitney Drive. Uh we'll
ensure that there's no adverse impact of so uh the erosion control in the area and you know nothing's going to wash away and we are not adversely impacting the downstream flooding or or erosion in the area. Um, I guess there was u
my third and final exhibit that I'll briefly refer to is the hillside density exhibit >> 83 >> uh dated April 7th, 2026. And I think this was um discussed or had some information in the application, but
here's the a plan that depicts the um the existing additions of the site. uh green uh minimal slopes uh and then as it goes from yellow, orange and red the increase slope based off of the town standards um that tabulates the
I guess the area of the steep the steep slopes on site which would impact the um required um floor ratio and pvious coverage. So the the yellow and red are the small areas that would totally decrease from our 12,500 ft to I believe
12,19 square ft of uh allowable area for this site. Um I well yeah going back to the site rendering um the utilities uh will utilize uh you know we'll have a
fire and a domestic water service running through the the drive vial towards Whitney Drive and a 4-in san also to Whitney Drive and we coordinate we'll coordinate with your student department to ensure that that's meets their standards and any other existing
um utilities that might be on site will capped or removed accordingly. Um we will coordinate with the local utility providers for gas, electric and telephone. I believe there's a number of utilities within Whitney Drive. We have submitted will serve request letters to um all the agencies and we'll provide it
to your professionals upon receipt. Um there was a comment from the fire department to add a hydrant uh in the front of the site or at the end of the street and um I believe we have no objection to to adding that uh accordingly. um for landscaping. Uh the site
currently does not have any proposed fencing. Uh though our neighbor here behind us does have a uh I believe it's a six- foot high uh wooden privacy fence along our our rear or property along to the north uh generally where my cursor is now. Um and we are proposing a number
of shrubs and trees um specifically a long line of of trees to our neighbor to the the west and um foundation shrubs around the building to meet code. Uh we have a total of 26 proposed trees
uh surrounding the site, you know, number on Whitney Drive and on the corners. Um that's to meet the uh the town standards for just based off of uh the disturbance areas. So three trees per every 5,000 square feet where we
have approximately 15,000 square feet of disturbance on site and with along our frontage where 12 trees are required and we have uh I believe it's 15 evergreen trees and 11 indigenous trees for a total of 26 trees.
Now there will all be native species. Now, I don't have the exact number of existing trees uh on site. Uh there are a number of live and dead ones, but um they're all anticipated to be removed, and we'll coordinate with your your planner and engineer to ensure that we
uh meet the tree removal uh requirement. Uh so, we'll have a a tree count conducted based off of the diameter. Um and then as we talked earlier, we had a number of lighting um that that we will reduce. So, there were was
originally eight wall-mounted lights. Believe there was uh three in the rear, uh one on the side of the parking lot and one on the side of the our neighbor to the west. And you know, we're more than we're happy to remove the ones on the west to reduce any lighting to our
neighbor to the west. And then um we remove park uh lighting to the rear to only have the minimal um necessary for to illuminate the the the playground uh area. It's if needed and then uh one
building mounted light for the parking lot. You know, we also had a number of kind of ceiling mounted lights on the patio and the front door. And there is one existing street light across from us on Whitney Drive. And so all that together, you know, provided the adequate uh
foot candles to illuminate the the walkway to the the the house and then with the the light on the side of the parking lot illuminated that that parking area. Um, and then just to kind of conclude if I didn't miss anything, we know we received your your professionals
letters, your your planners letter from April 1st, the engineers letter from April 2nd, fire marshall from the second, municipal sewer from the second, zoning officer from the March 25th, and your traffic and safety police. And I think generally we have no objections
and can comply with those uh during, you know, resolution compliance. And the I guess the one thing that I um alluded to but didn't go into detail was the um I guess the hillside and the the lot coverage since our zone table only
listed percentages. Um I do believe I uh see if I can find it. I had a a typo on the form that someone referred to earlier. So the um for the right with the site is 12,500 ft. With the hillside reduction,
it's 12,19 square ft for 60% um allowed uh disturbance. We have 7,265 square ft. Um I believe a form I submitted had a typo where um but we are uh you know as a condition you know we
will definitely uh meet the the 60% and do not exceed uh so the form that I have has the total disturbance area between the house and the driveway sidewalk and patio etc at 2 thou at 7,264 square feet so one square foot less than
allowed and I can I can provide that um to your engineer to your planners uh at during resolution compliance. I think that concludes my my presentation and obviously take questions. >> I think there were um comments in the
the board professional reports um about parking lot buffering. Could you address that? >> Yes. So um right now our parking is again on the east side of the site. Uh there is no um no specific buffering along our parking stalls. Uh though
there is buffering on to the north and south uh from the the neighboring areas. Uh though the our vehic the cars parked will have their headlights pointed towards the adjacent lot which is the office building. Between us and the office building is their rear driveway
uh shown on the screen and approximately 20 to 30 foot of existing landscaping on on their property. >> You feel that's adequate? >> I I feel it's it's adequate. Um and we're not, you know, the parking is not disturbing our our neighbors.
>> And um quick question about the easement. Um I think there was a mention of a sewer easement to the rear of the property. >> Yes, there's um based off the the tax map and our survey uh records, there seems to be, you know, an easement. It
appears to be though there's not that much documentation that it was to our benefit. Um and it runs it's in the northwest corner of the site where my cursor is now and generally runs along the back of our adjacent property. Um you know, we'll coordinate with the sewer department. you know, we anticipated our sewer service to run out
towards Whitney Drive. So, we'll, you know, again, if there's anything in there, we will, you know, work with them to cap it and and remove it as as needed. >> And Bill, to answer your question, um I think it was yours. Uh our title search
did show um the 10- foot sanitary sewer um um I think on the map. So I can provide you um can provide you what I have from our search. >> Very good. >> Does that conclude your testimony, Mr. Burn?
>> Yes. >> Thank you. Any questions from our board? >> Mr. Mcora. >> Okay. You said you don't have a tree count. I think we need to have that. We need to know the size, the type, where they're located. I hate to see a 200-y
old oak tree taken down unnecessarily. Um, I think we could see a list and a drawing with those details without knowing that without knowing what we're going to tear
down. I feel uneasy. I tried to get there yesterday to look, but the road was closed due to construction. So, uh, I yeah, I guess I don't have the specific details uh without without the survey. I I generally know that there
were four uh trees in the in the rear of the site, kind of in this corner over here. And um they were in the corners, one or two in this corner, one or two in the front. Um I am not a a tree expert, so we'd have to, you know, do a a
survey, but nothing appeared to be 200 years old or of value. Um one or two of the trees were blooming right now. The remainder were uh were not. Um, >> possibly just the major trees 8 in in
diameter or more maybe more, but not significantly more. They didn't seem to be large. >> Okay. But I like to say that. Yeah, I don't know if that's um >> yeah, if you know if um if it's okay
with the board, it's certainly something that we could work out with your board professionals um to their satisfaction. >> It's okay with >> Mr. Pap. >> Um could you talk a little bit more about
the parking? Uh are there I think someone may have testified that there that there are seven spaces. Are there assigned spaces for each unit? >> The question is will we assign spaces to each unit?
>> I'm just curious if that's typical of what you provide. Um and uh the um number of uh you said one handicap parking space and if there's a need for there depending upon
the tenants needs if there is a need for an assigned parking space if someone has that physical limitation is that something you can accommodate in some manner u storm water runoff was mentioned and I
think you talked about how the runoff is um for the most part being directed to Whitney Court. >> Correct. >> Either directly in the on the pavement or back around.
Right. Could you just go over that again because I seem to think the what I guess I would call the northeast corner of the property. I don't remember how you said the water would go and I'm concerned about the additional lot coverage water
going back towards the property to the north. Yes. So, um um I'm trying to not get too many numbers, but right so the building sits at about 122 and the parking lot uh ridge line is
you know sits similar to 122. Uh and then from there everything drains downhill. So to the north it uh it drains and there's a kind of a curb cut in this uh corner if you can see my screen uh near the trash enclosure. So everything um on the east side of the
site uh drains in this direction towards that curb cut or or north towards that curb cut from the the center of the parking aisle. And then from there we'll have a um I guess it's a grass swale burm combo. So uh along the property line it's burmmed. So it's directing
everything in towards the site uh while everything is directed away from the building. So there's the low point swale here. I want to say it's uh it's right. So it's at about 120 elevation here. And the elevation at the southwest corner is
about 116 or 117. And so the the swale com, you know, the burm along the property line and swale in between the property and the building will direct that out to this corner around the house. >> Mr. Burr, have you looked at that to see if the swale the depth of the swale, the
height of the burm would be sufficient to keep what would be the expected rainfall on the site moving towards Whitney Court versus north to the adjoining property. Um,
I've looked at it. I haven't had the opportunity to ask the the applicants engineer any questions about storm water, but I will. Okay. Um, to answer your specific question, I think the swale and the burm to the rear of the proposed building is adequate. I think where the plan needs a little refining
is on the left side as it drains towards Whitney Drive to protect lot four. >> Got it. Okay. So it needs a little bit of refinement and >> and to add to that just so you know we're uh the the swale right now as the plans you have in front of you or the
site plans package has a we'll say right a steeper swale in the the rear and a flatter swale along the side of the property. So we'll kind of uh even out those contours to ensure that everything get from the parking to Whitney Court. >> My last question is about the fire
hydrant that was referenced. The fire official is asking for another fire hydrant. Where is the closest existing fire hydrant? >> That I do not have. >> The reason I ask for that, this is a um well, this is I'm being truthful
here. The township has to then pay for on an annual basis every fire hydrant that is installed. And I while the fire official may want one there, if there is one within close proximity, I would want to have a conversation or have our board
maybe engineer talk with him about this to see whether that is really necessary. Uh just because he's asking for it doesn't mean necessarily that it's needed. If there is one close by and there's again an additional expense.
>> Sure. This is Mr. Flaky who's a neighbor. I know him. >> So, it's around the corner. >> Yeah. Okay. So, >> around the corner. Yeah. I think there
there's a hydrant out to out by Shasta, one block down, >> I think, is the nearest hydrant. There's not a hydrant immediately. >> Okay. >> You know, adjacent or at the end of Whitney Drive, we can certainly take a look. >> Thank you, Mr. Pley. But yeah, if you
could look at that and just see the fire official >> is there a you know um standard that the fire h fire hydrants should be
within so many feet of one another. >> Yeah. The fire official usually wants it three or four, no more than 400 feet away, but we'll take a look at that. Okay, for sure. >> Thank you very much. >> Any other questions? Mr. Cora, >> question. >> I don't think that you spoke about trash
enclosures. Where is that and how does trash work? >> Sorry, I didn't want to uh didn't want to repeat too much. Uh but the yes, the trash is in in the rear of the site. So, you can see my screen. It's uh in the back of the parking. So that's um I guess I don't want to it's a trash enclosure but you know it's a a fenced
in pad I think is the way we have it shown right now that would hold the individual trash cans. So you know trash cans for like a typical single family house not a dumpster. So we're not intending you know anyone to you know have to drive in a trash truck with a dumpster. It's they're all the
cans. >> So the the people who live there will put their trash in their own trash cans. Do they will it to the front or does the trash company come and get >> the residents will will it to the front? >> Okay. Um only other question storage for
outdoors. Say they have kids. Well, we talked about a bike rack before. Somebody brought that up. It if a child has a bike, right, to park to is there any storage outside or will there be anything allowed to be
stored outside like extra toys or things like that? As of right now, we don't have anything uh you know, structurally for any storage. I'm sure that you know, we can work with the the residents as needed to, you know, for anything, you know, I don't know about the I don't
want to volunteer the patio space for any small storage or in that playground area depending on on what it is. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you. >> Um you you've answered a lot of my questions regarding the lighting and the street light locations. Um that was great. We we didn't talk about or at
least I had a couple concerns about utilities. Um I think you mentioned that there was a um an easement to the rear. You're not tying into that easement to the rear. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Instead, I think you testified you'll be tying in through the front. >> Yeah, that's the the intent as long as
you know the sewer department has no issues. But that that's what we presented to them and that's what they seem to accept. >> Okay. Uh what other utilities are proposed uh for the structure? >> Uh right now we uh right we said the
water uh fire um sewer and I have to double check if we had uh gas and electric. >> Just electric. >> Just electric. I I thought I read something that there was gas provided by Sonokco. Did I read misread something?
Uh so we uh in our uh joiners list that we get from the I believe the clerk they also provide utility contacts. So the sookco was listed on there as as a utility contact. >> So at this time there is no plans for a
gas connection to the structure. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um just looking at the front facing of the home I I did notice the burm. I I'll let our board uh engineer talk about the drainage. I did see a small kind of recessed curb where that looks to be a utility that potentially
makes its way underground. It's labeled on the site plan as TDC. Um, this would be approximately 4 ft west of the or 4 ft to the east of the cable TV box. It's a small little curb. It says TDC. It's recessed toward the
curb line. >> Sorry, you're talking about is this the existing curb? the existing curb. >> Yeah, there I guess there there is an existing depression right now. Um I I'm not sure what the uh what it's there for now in the curb. I think it's generally
in this location. I do believe one of your professionals referenced a French drain out there. I I walked the site today and I I didn't find any French drain. Um so I think you know the contractor during normal construction activities would you know make sure to
cap or remove anything. Um, but we're, you know, we're not having any we don't have any proposed storm water connections. There's I don't uh and uh so we would remove anything related to and that and that curve is to be replaced and it'll be 6 in throughout
the front of the site. >> Uh perhaps I could ask a question for Mr. Burr. Um so I noticed there also some pipes that are coming up in that area and they're capped off. I know that, you know, there have been u essentially uh gas lines that have been installed throughout town. Is this one
of those locations where potential gas lines have been installed? >> I don't think so, Mr. Chairman. I think um our public works department did a little bit of of research at the request of the sewer utility and I think what you have going on is there's two
existing sewer laterals that uh have been capped um pre-existing and one of them is on the left side or the west side of the property and the other is on the far right side of the property. Um I
don't know what kind of condition they are. I think our sewer utility mentioned that the applicant if they did some some research and and some reconnaissance if they found them to be in good repair they could possibly reuse them and avoid having to cut into Whitney again. But um I'll let the applicants take a look at
that. Uh the third cleanout that we see out there that's labeled on the plans again on the the left side or the west side of the property. So, I was and I don't I don't know this for sure because I haven't seen it, but I was told that to address a a a pre-existing drainage
issue with the next door property, there was some type of underground French drain, whatever you want to call it, where it's a 4-in pipe, likely perforated, but I don't know for sto for sure, wrapped in stone. That is one of the cleanouts that's on the left side of
the plan that cuts perpendicular into the property from Whitney Drive. So, it almost serves as like a cut off, an underground cut off drain as the property slopes right to left as you're looking at the property. As I'm told, that drain comes out under
Whitney Drive and does a 90 degree bend and goes down to Shasta and connects to the storm system on Shasta, which is the norm the the the nearest formal uh storm system. So there there are a couple of utility connections. Two I think are old
sewer laterals. One is drainage in nature. Uh I'm not aware of any any gas connection though. >> Okay. Thank you. And I do have other drainage questions, but I'll defer that to you. >> Um, the last question I had was um, we didn't talk about the use of power generators just in case, you know,
there's a power outage. Uh, what would be the policy there? Obviously, if there's no gas connection, these would be standalone generators. I'm assuming that would be used. And how would they be connected to the home? Was it one per you uh, one per unit or would it be one to power the entire structure?
>> I have not considered that. I guess we're open to considering um considering it, but we have we've not got any, you know, any formal considerations right now uh for generators. >> Okay. Perhaps when you do, you could speak with the administration with an engineer to make sure that we're within
code and curious to know also the decibel level of all them as well. So, >> right. >> Okay. Um and that's all I have for now. Anybody else? Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. >> I'm looking for clarification on um
garbage disposal and recycling. Each unit going to have their own garbage pail plus the two recycling buckets as well. So that's 15 buckets. >> Uh I don't I don't think we have the the specifics. I think the intent right now
is to have um one garbage can per unit and and likely shared u recycling cans uh for the for the building. >> So each each resident has to contract with a uh a garbage disposal company. I
I think the the building as a whole, the the owner and the applicant would would do that uh contracting and they would but the the tenants themselves would be responsible for the you taking the garbage from their unit to the trash can and from the trash can out to the street.
>> Um I you kind of lost me there. Will >> the the building management will provide for the curbside pickup. That's not going to be at the cost of the resident. Uh the resident's only responsibility will be to take the garbage from the
home, put it into the can, and then on collection days to get the cans out to the street for the curbside pickup. >> Okay. And the recycling, >> same concept. I believe recycling is is
performed by the township. Um so it'll be the same concept. >> County. >> Yeah. So the the area that's going to these buckets are going to be in can accommodate all of these buckets. Right. >> Right. They're going to be in the
enclosure shown on the plan. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Yeah, >> Mr. Chowry. >> Yeah, I have it. But >> oh, I just had one uh I guess correction, >> Mr. Banga. >> Uh I'm just taking a look. I can't find
it anymore. Uh form number four said C3 current zoning district was C6 limited serve commercial zone. I think that needs to be corrected to an R10 A density residential zone. >> I'm sorry. Can you read that? I missed
it. >> Yeah, it's form number four. At the top it says C6 limited serve commercial zone. I think this needs to be resubmitted. Okay. >> No, that's it. Well, yeah, on on the application site plan at the bottom it
says zoning district R10A. There's just an inconsistency there. >> Apologize. We >> um I'll leave it to our board professionals if there's any inconsistency with the actual ordinance. >> Is that all Mr. Banga? >> That's it. >> Next question. >> Okay. Uh following up with Mr. Bjona's
questions. Um I understand the garbage can that somebody will have to basically the tenants responsibility is to move the garbage can to the park site but since the recycling is a common one who will put the recycling >> so I noted during my testimony that we
actually have our services team work with the tenants to create a schedule on who's going to take it out. So each tenant will probably have a rotating schedule on who's going to take it out. So we do that at all of our uh multif family properties that have the similar kind of trash structure where you know
there may be four or five bins but there's five or six tenants and we'll have them actually on a schedule who's going to take it out on a weekly bi-weekly basis based on the actual trash schedule. >> Does it work well with that? >> It works. Yeah, we haven't had any issues with it so far.
>> Okay, no problem. in 47 years. >> Thank you. Uh one more questions to you with this same drawing that you have got in a display now. Uh you have got 22 ft so-called parking space 22 ft wide
right. What's the width of the parking spaces? Uh parking lot I should say. Is it 22 ft? >> The the drive aisle is 22 ft wide. >> 22 ft. And is this sufficient for fire truck to go towards the end while the
cars are parking? >> Uh we we haven't modeled it uh for the fire truck. So I can I can work with your your fire department to and your engineers to to make sure that the whichever firetruck is the likeliest to go into the site um have have access. >> Yeah. I'm more worried about the
basically one-bedroom apartment on the corner both from the second floor as well the first floor on your west side. Uh because whether the fire truck that probably the fire truck will have to go that you know on the corner on the
without hitting any car parked there already. So u Mr. uh bar probably you may have to actually see this one how it will fit. Um since garbage truck will not go that doesn't apply anyway. Only
the fire trucks may uh you know have may have to go to cover the uh one-bedroom apartment on the first floor and the second floor. >> Yeah, the we yeah we'll coordinate with the fire department. Uh I don't want to tell them how to fight a fire. My u my
assumption would be uh that they would you know most of this building could be accessed on foot instead of on the truck. But, you know, I'm happy to work with them and make sure that, you know, we've addressed all their concerns from a firefighting perspective. Okay. As long as >> I'm looking at Mr. uh Scaler's our fire
marshals report and he does not mention that. >> Ah, okay. Well, Mr. Scaler obviously knows everything very well. Uh, but kindly check it out. Anyway, thank you.
>> Any other questions, Mr. Wang? >> Thank you. Um can you can you uh um tell me what what how far um the westing the western property line to the Jensen
house? Um I do not know to the to the adjacent house. Um we are uh 15t from the property line. Uh it the adjacent property if I had to guess I'd say there were a
total of 25 feet from the adjacent house to h you know from house to house. >> Okay approximation. >> Yeah. Could you could you repeat why there are fences or you're not using fences on that side? >> Uh we you know we have this long line of
of um I believe it's pine trees that we have right there. um uh as landscaping, but I think, you know, we're we're open to to fencing if if that's uh ideal, if that's preferred. >> The the northern the northern borderline
has a existing fence, right? The the neighbors, right? >> Correct. >> Um >> so, yeah, it looks like I think he's here, right? He has it looks like he has got a a line of of trees, his fence, and then we have some, you know, some trees
and shrubs as well. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else >> Mr. Chowry? >> Yeah. I just want not to be too much of pain here but
uh on your form number four uh in your testimony you said that you know according to calculation that car uh space cames out to be about 6.75 and so you had it seven which makes sense but in the form it cames out to be
ordinance requirement 7.5 and you have seven >> yeah I think um I revised it in coordinator in coordination with your your planner's comment letter. So, um you know, the calculations with the EV um
yeah, I guess but per my testimony now, you know, in their their consultation, um we're saying the requirement is seven. >> Yeah, but remember you you had it in your plan, you have two EV space. Now you said that you will be reducing to one
uh right in your testimony actually you said that you will reducing to one >> we're we're open based off your yeah your >> then your calculation of 6.75 may not work out >> I'd have to pull out my a pen to to do the math >> okay I I'll leave it up to Mr. about
he's a more professional experienced person but either you uh basically correct this one or otherwise you know have a variance of 0.5 or whatever it is >> yeah we will I'll coordinate with your professionals to make sure that
>> about form four I'm talking about uh Katherine >> so those forms while they are submitted sometimes aren't as accurate because they were submitted either pro or they were done before the site plan was finalized or something like that. So, I usually rely upon the site plan
drawings. >> Okay. >> Um, generally the requirement for parking particular to this use in the R10A zone is 1.5 spaces per unit. >> All right. >> Which is less than usual. It's usually two per unit in the ordinance. So 1.5
per unit, five units, that's seven and a half spaces. Um, and then the EV calculation takes off up to 10%. So up to 75 is the maximum you can reduce even though it's one full space. In this case they propose two but let's say even just
one full space they still get the 10% allowance which takes it down to 6 point >> that's where that 6.75 come from >> and then round it up to seven. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Perhaps a general question for Mr. Kell. Um a little off topic. Does uh triple C
um ever engage in like solar subsidies or solar paneling on on their homes? >> Okay. Uh are there any plans in the future to to install solar powering on this uh on the structure? It's something we would be open to if that was um again a requirement. We
would be open to looking at that. We don't we do not currently have any solar on any of our existing um portfolio. We do subscribe to um the PSNG has a program for community solar that we actually subscribe to to to pass on some
of the savings to our tenants. Okay. >> In the event that you would install paneling in the future, um it's my understanding the way the system works, you need a little extra real estate on the home in order to get that system installed, uh would you have adequate space within the structure to install that?
>> Okay. Okay. Even the batteries and the electrical backbone of of the of the system. >> In multif family, you you tend to to figure out where that power is going to go to. Usually it goes to the house as
opposed to one of the five individual because generally the owner of the building is to receive the subsidy power. So it could basically the house panel. >> Okay.
Thank you very much, Mr. Kell. If there are no other questions, I'd like to defer to our board professionals. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ian, a couple questions for you here. I know everybody's anxious to talk about drainage. I'm gonna I'm going to let the suspense kind of linger for a little bit
and hit you on some other ones. Um, we talked a lot of bit a lot about lock coverage and you had mentioned there was some typos on your your forms etc. Would you as a condition of of approval agree to put an updated lot coverage chart on
your plans to correspond with the percentages that you show in your >> Yeah, we Yeah, we can expand on the the zone table and the the form and put on the plans. >> Okay. To >> Good. >> Yeah. >> Um, I want to touch again on refues. I'll make this quick. So, the idea is
that a garbage truck is not going to turn into your parking lot, but rather I guess operationally what I'm hearing is that either tenants or your facility staff will will out individual garbage cans or recycling bins to the curb. >> Correct. >> It'll be curb pickup.
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> And um tenant loading and unloading operations. You had mentioned I think you had mentioned one of the parking spaces deals or also doubles up as a loading space or was I did I not hear
that right? >> No, I think um >> describe for us how a tenant moves in and moves out of of of the building. >> Yeah, I guess there's I I envisioned I guess two options. One is we're we're at a a deadend street and so any moving trucks and you know there's five units
so not often would someone move in and move out so you know could could park on Whitney Drive and and and and load and load with the sidewalk leading out to Whitney Drive. I guess alternatively, you know, I assume management staff can work with the tenants if they needed to temporarily put um a truck in the drive
aisle for however, you know, the brief period of needed to unload any load of specific things and and um I don't know if this is your question, but you know, yeah, we we anticipated that Amazon or UPS or or FedEx would more likely just park in front of the street and use our
driveway as a as a turnaround. And I see your plan is is proposing a small extension at the end of Whitney Drive. Presumably that's to allow for better circulation in and out of your driveway. Is that why the the the road is being extended slightly? >> Yeah, I guess it's uh twofold. One, the
the gray uh shading that I have shown is uh right the proposed so the the limit right now is this area. So our full driveway would does not have it. So it's kind of both. >> Okay. All right. Um, your attorney mentioned a little while ago that the
title search, I think, revealed the the sewer easement on the northerly portion of the property. >> Now, as I understand, the sewer connection from lot two behind you guys. >> I think his sewer connection comes
diagonally onto your property into that easement. >> Gotcha. >> And then travels out to Shasta. I don't know if that easement exists or not. If it doesn't, one of our comments is let's make sure that that's
recorded at least on your portion of the property. >> So, I don't I don't have it dimensioned, but we do have on on our survey and on the site plan the you know the rectangle that is the easement within our property. And I think um we did we you
know we specifically did not propose you know the playground area of there. We don't have any landscaping in that area. So that that easement is staying is is being maintained and not being disturbed >> and and as if necessary we can memorialize those easement rights on your property if it's necessary. If that
easement doesn't >> Yeah. >> as an executed document sure that's done. >> Agreed. >> We can do that. >> All right. >> Um lighting real quick. We heard you're going to remove some of the wall packs in an effort to reduce some of the light
pollution, the spillover onto adjacent properties, right? >> Correct. >> The light plan to reflect that. >> Yeah. So, I guess having in front of me, right, we have one on the west side. We'll definitely remove I think there's three in the the rear. Um so, we'll remove the the two on the west end. So,
um you know, if it's okay, you know, we'd have one generally in this area of the playground. And then uh I believe there's uh two along the side of the parking area. >> Yeah, I think I think remove certainly
the wall packs from the west side of the building, remove as many of them from the rear as possible and focus just the exterior lighting in in the driveway parking area. So you'll take a look at that. >> Agreed. >> All right. Last thing um want to touch
on drainage. So you're correct. you are not a major development by nature of the size of the property and the amount of imperous coverage that you're proposing, but I think you still have an obligation to do something to manage your drainage, your
runoff coming from this property. One of the concerns I have is that there is not formal drainage infrastructure on Whitney Drive itself. Mhm. >> So, anything that's coming from your 7,000 square ft of new coverage is going to drain out onto Whitney potentially
causing icing issues, making a mess as it travels down to. So, in addition to taking a look at your plan to ensure that the swale and berm system is is well drawn out on on the on the plans. I
would challenge you to see if there's a way, whether it's a smallcale basin, um, a dry well system, something on this property that you can capture at least the roof runoff of the building, see what your options are. I think you have some room in the front of the property.
And I would ask if that's something that you and really your client would be willing to take a look at. Yeah, I think that's um an an appropriate request that we can work with with you and them on to uh we did look through the town code. I didn't see
anything uh any standards on dry wells for single family homes, but we can definitely >> Okay. There there are not standards. What I what I will say is if you're not triggering the major development requirements, there's a fallback clause in the ordinance that is very generic
from a drainage perspective. It's 126-280 and it it it basically includes language speaking to ensuring that no development is going to negatively impact public right ofways or downstream properties um
increasing flooding and erosion issues on adjacent properties. So, it's kind of a a catch-all section of the ordinance. That's what we have to target because I'm not convinced at 7,000 square feet of new coverage, we're not going to have a problem downstream. >> Understood. Yeah, we uh we can
>> there's not individual requirements for for drywalls. I think if the board's comfortable with that, I'm happy to work with the applicant on that, >> but I think it's something that has to be included. >> Understood. >> Design we can put that down as a condition. >> Okay, that's all I have, Mr. Chairman.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Burr, >> any other questions from our board? Miss Sarmat, >> I I only had one comment really. I think everything else has been captured that was in my review. Um, regarding the EV
space technically to pursuant to the EV requirements, it's really only one space that's required. I think two would be excessive, particularly because those are not just general spaces that you if you have an EV, you could technically the EV standard statewide, you know, there's towing offenses to and even
though it's on private property, it's just like a handicap spot. It's treated the same way. And so the more parking that is um you know particularly set aside ADA and EV spaces in this lot, the less parking there is for people that don't. So if there's no EV cars, you've
basically lost two spaces. So I think under the state standards, they they'd meet it under the one parking space. And um I think that that's probably um plenty for the property. Okay. >> Thank you, Miss Herman. Any further comments?
Any comments from our members of the public? >> Good evening. Welcome. Please state your name and address for the record. >> My name is James Pley, 956th Avenue. >> Okay. >> I'm right in back of the property. >> Ready? >> I'm ready for you.
>> Okay. >> All right. >> I'm not at all happy with the drainage of the parking lot. I have enough problems right now with water, as do my neighbors. We don't I don't know why. Why isn't it drained to Whitney? Maybe I can ask you that.
>> Uh >> the driveway should be drained to the south, not to the north. That doesn't make any sense. >> Um generally the because of the >> my driveway is drained to the street. Everybody's driveway is drained to the
street. >> It it's just the way that the existing topography works. if we were to, you know, go up the up the Witty Drive at 4% and then up the driveway, uh, the it would push the building up higher than the driveway. Um, and then it it would
create, you know, our site would then sit, you know, feet above yours. Um, and so it the the kind of the settlement was a ridge line in the center to that allows the building to sit higher so nothing's draining into the building and it it'll wrap around the building to to
Whitney. It's It's going to create a huge problem for many. Since they built 475 North Bridge Street, the commercial building, I've had problems with my water in the basement and so does Manny. That's the reason why on the west side the town came and put a French drain
from Manny because he complained to the town about getting water in his basement. I didn't complain, I didn't get it, which is something I'm looking for now, either from them or from the town. I need a similar French train on the east side of my property because I'm
getting water from North Bridge Street and I'll be getting a lot of water from this development. So, I need a French drain on my property just like Manny has. That's a big problem. And if I'm going to get more water, that's an issue. Even if it goes to the
back of their property, it's still going to come down underneath my fence and come into my basement. I'm sure of that. board engineer, Mr. Burr. Um I if the township should sustain a storm similar to what we've seen in in
recent past uh where uh there's significant rainfall uh is the current system especially in the rear of the property to the north I should say is the current burm that's there adequate enough to be able to sustain that type
of storm water filtration or yeah >> it's not clear I'll be honest you know the the way the the drawing is is currently prepared. There's a high point halfway into the proposed driveway and
parking area where the front half of the driveway is supposed to drain down towards Whitney and the rear half is supposed to drain to the rear of the property. I believe with the idea that that rear runoff is then going to be captured in a swale and taken around the
building back to Whitney. I would ask the applicants engineer to take a look maybe there's a way that the design can be tweaked to instead of having a high point halfway halfway down the driveway maybe we can just have it all drained towards Whitney uh and
manage it accordingly that way and then we're not impacting the resident that lives to the rear especially if there's a pre-existing issue um from North Bridge because that whole property does I mean it slopes pretty uniformly from right to left
coming down the hill >> um from the commercial property down. >> So I think if we can keep everything focused towards the front and then manage it um the way we just discussed with a couple of different options I think that's probably the best case scenario uh if the applicant's willing
to do that and then we avoid exacerbating any potential pre-existing issues. I'll I'll quickly add on agreed right we will definitely want to work with the engineer and the neighboring to make sure that there's no to reduce the flooding I guess to kind of um uh
articulate my my the thought process in the in the grading was that um we wanted to limit any drainage again directed towards the building. So right now, you know, the ridge line is in the center with everything kind of directed um you know, uh page north and page south,
northwest and southeast, southwest. Um so uh to have everything drain up originally, uh uh the technical term I'm going to use is is I didn't want to roller coaster this driveway too much. So, I didn't want to have one one single slope that would both drain away from
the building in one section to go down and then have to come back in the other direction because Whitney is draining to the west. Um, that that that being that that was my thought process in the original design uh last year. Um, but I I'm
definitely willing to work with, you know, the engineer to make sure that there's a a happy compromise to make sure that there's, you know, we're limiting anything directed towards the building and it's all getting directed away from our neighbors. >> Mr. is there there's some type of
belowrade system that you could put in the driveway where it redirects some of the runoff from the uh northerly side of the driveway through an underground piping. >> Sure. >> Yeah. There's there's a number of different ways that that the applicant
can introduce new features to help better manage the runoff. Um yeah, there there's any number of different it could be underground, it could be surface related, there could be a small scale basin, there could be a rain garden, you could have actual
underground catchment systems either under or adjacent to the the driveway. There's there's a number of different techniques that they can employ, but they are possible. And again, all right, again, agreed to work with you on any of the the, you know, the BMPs, whether it be dry well,
um, anything that underground. I think we do have a geotech report that indicated it's it's not infiltrating well. So, I just want to work with you on what the town standards versus the state standards to make sure that anything that we send underground is is sized, you know, appropriately,
accordingly, you know, reasonably. So, >> understood. I have no problem with that. >> Perfect. Anything you could do to work with our engineers, that'd be great. You've got a children's play set back there, too, that I don't think is going to be very useful if uh that becomes a swale full of water either. But, um,
thank you very much for that. Any further comments? >> Um, can the down spouts be drained piped to the street to Whitney Drive? Uh, I guess I I mean I work with Steve on that one, but but yes, I'm I'm sure we can uh make sure that the roof drawn
out is directed is intended direct towards Whitney instead of into the back. >> So yeah, I mean I think we can we can point to the street. I'm not sure. I have to double check if the town has rules on uh piping uh through curb or underground if we're just talking about at at
splashbox. But um you know we can make sure that the building is point you know pointed drainage wise towards Whitney Drive. >> Yeah. And to that point, Mr. Chairman, easiest thing for the roof is to capture and put it in a drywall
>> um and then have an overflow pipe pointed towards the road. I wouldn't necessarily just want the roof runoff piped directly to the road because then we're introducing potential issues, but I think I think we have the framework of of a discussion that we can have here
and certainly assure the resident that things aren't going to be made worse and we're going to try to try to improve the plan, make sure that he has a result. >> Very good. Okay. >> Well, I could I couldn't commit to that.
Um, >> this board cannot cannot respond to that question. They cannot commit to that now. >> Okay. >> But the township administrator is here and it's noted. >> Okay. Because the town supplied it for
Manny. They should be able to supply it for me, I would think. >> For for the record, do you want to say the um address for Manny? So, we have it >> is on Whitney Drive next door to this lot. I don't know the number on Whitney Drive. >> Okay. So, it's the one that we're seeing
on the on the picture. Yep. >> It's it's on the 200 foot list. It's block 511, lot 4, one Whitney Court East. >> Okay. Thank you. >> The last issue is I'd like screening in
the back, more rubbery trees. I paid a fortune for the trees that are there, but since you're building the structure, that's going to tower over my house. My house is a very low 1,000 square feet ranch. This is 5,000 square feet. It's going to be high. I really
need better screening. They're going to be I'm going to be looking at a gigantic building in back of me and it's not very far from the property line. >> I do see proposed plantings that you have close to the trash basin area. Are those new?
>> Every all the landscaping on this rendering is is new. So we have two um shrubs near the trash u you know I think it's one or two in the corner and then three uh in the back. Could we explore a discussion to potentially adding um another one of those smaller trees
that's closer to the trash basin >> or or the the trees that are in the corner in the north northeast corner. Can they be moved to the other side of the uh trash structure? because corner you're really
screening the trash uh unit from the professional office building and maybe to move those trees so Mr. Plaky's home is screened more than the office building. >> Yeah, I think uh >> possible
>> we can yeah look into it based off of tree clearances. Um, you know, this was, uh, I guess generally intended to be open for the the playground area. So, I didn't want to get, you know, enclose it too much and then anything over in this area gets close to that sewer easement. Um,
but I, you know, I can I can look into it and see and make sure that >> maybe adjust the trees so there's a maximum screening for the back of the house, the back of this structure. >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, I think some
additional there's um the arborites, the green they're they're similar to the green giants, but this is the native um species or um on the list as Niagara cedar um or known as the Thuja oidentalis,
but um there's a few of those around the trash enclosure and then there's some more deciduous trees further west. Um I think if they supplemented with a few more of those arborites that would help be helpful. Um and those don't need that
much. Um they don't need that much space. Um they can you can plant them they'll go vertical and they'll go wide. Um you could probably plant them you know 5 to 10 feet on center and you'd be fine. So I think to supplement with a few of those if the applicant is willing to do that I think would be helpful as
from a screening perspective. Okay. >> I think we can agree to that. >> Amendable. Thank you. agree with that except the fact that >> they've put um a few ink berry holly trees um at the base of some of the deciduous trees. I think if they if they
add in just a few the I mean deer sometimes get, you know, ravenous in New Jersey and they'll eat holly somehow. But um if you put the holl at the bottom, they'll it'll stop them from at least eating the base uh of the tree. And you have a I think you have a sixoot fence or so, so you wouldn't see that
anyway. But yeah, if the deer come, hopefully the hollies will det will stop them from coming in and poke them a little bit. >> Well, the trees that are on 475 North Bridge were supposed to screen my property all eaten by deer. You can go and look at the property.
>> I believe it. So, we'll try we'll try I think if the applicant's willing to do a little bit of supplementation subject to review um you know by the board professionals that would be fine. Don't think there's anything as such as dear resistant unfortunately. So we'll try.
>> Thank you, Mr. Ple. Is that all? >> And I thank the board for listening to me. >> Thank you very much. Our pleasure. >> Any other members of the public? Seeing none, hearing none. That'll close the public portion for this witness.
Thank you very much for your testimony. >> Do you have any other witnesses this evening? >> We do not. That concludes excuse me that concludes our presentation about >> Thank you very much Miss Fina. Could we uh list the list of conditions that
we've amassed thus far? >> So might need some help from the board. So I I mean the one condition I think is the primary one is the applicant is to work with the our professionals to address any storm water runoff. um from
our just recent um discussion, the applicant will uh work with our professionals to address and supplement the tree plan. Um going through my list, have I missed any? Those are the two
major ones I've noted. >> There were suggestions for a bike rack. >> I'd like to see that. Is that something the board would like to request as a condition? >> Is there support for a bike rack? >> I'm sorry.
>> Bike rack. >> Yes, >> we could have. >> Third condition would be um the addition of a bike rack. And was anything else I missed? >> Um that no the services would be provided only for the five tenants on
site. So any special services. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um so the condition number four would be that the services being the special services being provided on site would only be for the residents who reside there. >> Yes. Um,
>> I think I wanted to ask that maybe the township engineer uh be authorized to consult with the fire official to confirm the necessity of the additional fire hydrant. >> Yep. The um applicant agreed to the
putting a a revision on the plan sheet for the lot coverage calculation. Um I'm sorry, can you repeat that? >> Sure. the applicant agreed to um putting a um a revision on the plan for a lot coverage calculation. So a description
of the where how the lock coverage is achieved. Um and I believe Mr. Mcura had requested the preservation of any mature trees that you know to the extent possible. >> Well certainly like to see a count and a
Just a list of trees. >> Yeah. >> List of trees. >> Yeah. The list of the existing trees. >> And I think what one of the conditions if the applicants willing to kind of embellish on that is how I envisioned it was that any mature trees that could be preserved be preserved.
>> Any others? >> Any other conditions? I don't believe we have any others. We talked about just general agreements between, you know, discussing with the township and uh following existing ordinances. >> Okay. So, we satisfied all conditions
and requests. I'll go ahead and open that up to deliberations. Here's some final comments from the board. I'll start on this end here. Mr. Punja >> motion to open up any comments? >> Um, I think they've done a fine job. I,
you know, I looked at all the drawings. Um, they've satisfied all my questions. I think other than the items about the water and the trees, I think they pretty much nailed it. So, I'm in favor of the application. >> Mr. Wang?
>> Yeah. I I appreciate um um all the uh preparation the um witness um yeah I I think it's well well planned and also I like the attitude um the applicants and try to accommodate our uh request. So
yeah I'm I'm I'm in favor of this application. >> Mr. Morura. >> Um, basically we're all in agreement about trees and water. All concerned about it. Um, I'm concerned specifically in this case about specimen trees as
defined by the town code which is 8 in and greater in diameter. So I think uh you need to take a look at that and transmit that information to the town Mberger. Mr. Atkins,
I'd like to see collaborative planning and I'd like to see uh you know the applicant being receptive to our discussion and our comments and also concerned neighbors. So uh
overall I think you know I I personally have family members who have actually lived with deaf communities in uh arrangements like this. Uh so I like to see that uh this is coming to Bridgewwater. So I will be voting in
favor Mr. Chowry. Yes, thank you. Actually, the plan looks fantastic. The h overall neighborhood will look actually very good with uh this plan. Thank you very much for the nice design. Um I think we are a common
voice here. Water, trees and specifically because of it is a deaf community. So we need to have put some extra at least in intuitional wise extra precautions for everything. So that's basically the extra dimension you'll have to think about it. Not because only
the code just because you are meeting the code please don't think about at least also think about yourself how you are serving the community it's very wise uh things to do thank you very much I'm in support of it otherwise >> Banga
>> yeah just to echo the rest of uh my my fellow colleagues here um I think it's you know fit for the location so I think uh you know beneficial to the area where uh it is very suitable Um just to reiterate on the the trees
and working with the neighbors uh related to the water issues. Thanks >> charts. >> Uh yeah, I would like to, you know, commend Triple C for their work that they're doing in the community. It definitely shows that you are community
centered and you're really focused on, you know, this the population that you're helping and we like to see that you're meeting the needs of those that are, you know, maybe not being met right now in our community. So, um, and I do thank you for all of the collaboration
and I'm in support and in favor of the application, you know, subject to all the conditions. >> Vice Chair, Makora. >> Yeah. Thank you. I'm I'm also inclined to uh approve the application. I appreciate all you do for the community and your willingness to adapt pretty
quickly without much push back on water and trees and bike rack to make it great for the community too. >> First, >> Councilwoman. >> Yeah, thank you. And I wanted to uh remind everyone this week, actually yesterday, we started the National
Public Health Week. So, you know, perfect timing for your application. So, thank you for being so thoughtful and and sharing um your ideas with us today. And yeah, as long as we meet all the, you know, I I also thank our resident that came by and spoke about his
concerns. You know, that's very important that we incorporate um what we can. Um but yeah, I'm very positive that this will be a welcome addition to our community. >> Town administrator and Mr. Hav >> um I want to add my support um reiterate
the importance of addressing the drainage concerns here that we've all talked about and certainly the landscaping. Um I do want to say that I think the presentation Mr. Sullo and you and your team you did an excellent job.
uh I think one of the most thorough and comprehensive uh presentations that I've seen from u most applicants and you were very thorough your professionals Mr. Kell were you all very thorough and answered questions in detail and were
very responsive to the concerns that have been raised. Um other applicants should follow your example. Uh but the uh design of the building I think is beautiful and I think it will be an asset to the community and and again it's important to be neighborly and I
think you've heard that the board wants to encourage you to be neighborly for the neighbors. So uh congratulations look forward to seeing this constructed and this population uh being served very uniquely here. Thank you. >> Yeah I agree. Thank you very much and
thank you very much for working with our fellow residents local community. Uh again, the structure is very handsome structure. We look forward to seeing you in the community and thank you very much for the testimony this evening and for answering most of the board's questions here. I think all the board's questions in great detail as administrator Papa
said. Thank you very much. I'm also in support of the application. With that, I'll take a motion to approve the application with set conditions. >> Make a motion. >> That's Miss Sakura. Mr. Bonjouro knows a second. >> Roll call, please.
>> Yes, >> Mr. Mr. Bonjouro. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Isisla. >> Yes. >> Mr. Maggora. >> Yes. >> Mr. Wang. >> Yes. >> Miss Sakura. >> Yes. >> Mr. Banga. >> Yes. >> Mr. Papis. >> Yes. >> Miss Chardawitch. >> Yes. >> Mr. Chowdery. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Atkins. >> Yes. >> Congratulations to you all. We look forward to seeing you in the community. >> Thank you very much. >> Have a good night, everybody. You as well. Okay, moving along. We have no other business this evening. However, if we
could just address the packet that's been delivered to or put in front of the board members this evening. >> That is for you all to hold on to until we assign it a date. It is a courtesy review, so it's slightly different from
a regular board application. Um, We'll have more information on the date at the next meeting. >> Very good. And any other business coming up within the next few weeks that we should discuss?
>> Uh no, nothing that nothing emergent. Um, next hearing we have scheduled the Wheatsworth continuence as well as um the Mueller application which is a minor subdivision
more of a lot line adjustment. So you may get an extra packet delivery. Other than that >> Okay. Could you remind the board of that date please at the next meeting? >> April 21st.
If I could just get a quick preliminary roll call for 421. >> What does that mean again? >> We're okay with we we can just >> We're okay with the quorum. Very good. >> Okay. Any other questions or comments with that? I'll take a motion to
adjurnn. >> Mr. Chowry. Second. >> Second. >> Councilman Isa. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you everyone. Have a great night. Thank you.