WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=Rqw-L9mditw NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: Rqw-L9mditw): - 00:00:00: Meeting Commencement, Remembrance, and Silent Tributes - 00:03:05: Executive Session: Personnel and Litigation Discussion - 00:40:55: Resuming Public Meeting: Minutes and Bill Approvals - 00:41:58: Ordinances, Resolutions, and Consent Agenda Approvals - 00:45:36: Council and Department Committee Discussions and Updates - 00:50:18: Public Comment: Reconstruction, Gas Fees, and Flooding - 00:54:17: Public Comment: Route 24 and City Hall Updates - 00:55:49: Public Comment: Rod and Reel Site Concerns - 01:09:17: Public Comment: North End Redevelopment Plan - 01:13:59: Public Comment: Flooding Causes, Mitigation Strategies - 01:17:43: Flooding Discussion Follow-Up and Meeting Adjournment Part: 1 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:20.880 Are you guys ready? Sorry, I got excited. >> Sorry, I thought John was ready. My bad. You ready? All right. I'd like to welcome everybody to our April 15th Brigade City Council meeting. Please rise for the flag salute to the flag of the United States of 2 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:53.120 America Remembrance Day, we remember the victims of the Holocaust and honor their lives. us. May we never forget the suffering endured. And may we stand together against hatred and injustice. Guide us to be people of compassion, courage, and 3 00:00:53.120 --> 00:01:09.119 peace. In your name we pray. Amen. Please remain standing. I have a few moments of silence for some of our long-term residents who have passed. Uh Jack Lieberman passed away last week. 4 00:01:09.119 --> 00:01:25.280 Jack was a proud Penn State graduate and uh he was very involved in various civic, religious and local organizations here in Briantine and he was uh most well known as being the bingo caller for 5 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:43.520 the senior citizens down at the CER. He will be very missed missed greatly by all his bingo players. uh services will be held on Sunday, May 3rd at the Community Presbyterian Church 6 00:01:43.520 --> 00:02:01.439 and I believe that's at 3:00. And also just found out today that Norm Weiner passed a few days ago. He was born and raised in Atlantic City and has been a resident of Brigotine for 60 years. Norm was best known for being so 7 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:18.319 an army veteran having served in Korea and for being post commander at BFW post 6964 for nine years. He also served many years on the brigantine planning board. Norm is survived by his wife Eileene, 8 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:35.599 his children Barbara, Joe, David, and Brian, his five grandchildren and his eight and his five great grandchildren. Services for Norm will be held on Saturday, April 25th at St. Andrew's Church in Atlantic City. Please keep the 9 00:02:35.599 --> 00:03:05.760 Liberman and Weiner families in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you. Please be seated. >> You read the open public meeting announcement. Thank you. Tiger, we have an executive session. >> Yes, ma'am. We have an executive session. Uh personnel matter and 10 00:03:05.760 --> 00:03:29.680 litigation update. It's going to be about 30 minutes. >> Okay. >> We have I guess Christine resolution. >> We have a motion. Second. All in favor? Any oppos? Say none. Motion pass. We'll be back probably 11 00:03:29.680 --> 00:12:20.200 about 30 minutes. I did It's All right. That was awesome. Stop. That's just a That's Sorry. 12 00:13:04.160 --> 00:30:39.399 Sorry. Good. Cheers. Holy Please. That's excellent. It's silly. Oops. 13 00:30:50.799 --> 00:40:55.920 I'm sorry. Nice. Stay first. It's Someone else. That's not All right, we have a motion and a second to resume the meeting. 14 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:11.280 >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? All right, seeing none, motion pass, we're going to resume our meeting. George, you summarize. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um we had two items of discussion. One was litigation update and the second was a personnel 15 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:27.280 manner. Proper rice notice was provided for that. No action is requested. Thank you. All right. We need our approval of our April 1st, 2026 council meeting minutes. We have a motion. Second. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can 16 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:42.240 we have roll call? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Mayor Sarah. Yes. >> Our approval of our bill requisition list. We have a motion to second. >> We'll make that motion. >> Second. Questions or comments? Seeing 17 00:41:42.240 --> 00:41:58.240 none, can we have roll call? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> All right. Next up, we have public comment. This is public comment on agenda items only. Saying no public comment, we're going to 18 00:41:58.240 --> 00:42:13.760 close the public portion. Uh, next up we have ordinance number six of 2026. Uh, this is a public hearing and adoption. This is an ordinance amending chapter 105 beaches and recreational areas of the revised general ordinance of the city of 19 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:29.280 Brigantine. We have a motion second. >> Second. >> All right. This time we'll open it up for public comment. Anybody wishing to be heard, please come up and state your name and address for the record. Seeing no public comment, we're going to close the public portion. Any council comments? 20 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:46.560 Seeing none, we have roll call. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> We have uh ordinance number seven of 2026. This is an ordinance vacating a portion of the city property adjacent to 21 00:42:46.560 --> 00:43:07.839 block 1701, lot 7. We have a motion. Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can we have roll call? >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Resolution 2026-108. 22 00:43:07.839 --> 00:43:23.280 This is a resolution authorizing a property tax exemption for a permanently disabled veteran. This is block 4303, lot 47. Motion second. >> Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, we have roll call. 23 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:38.400 >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> Resolution 2026-109. This is a resolution authorizing a contract with Zylm Water Solutions USA, 24 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:55.280 Inc. for Field Service at 34th Street South Jenkins uh flood pumps. This is the amount of $9,168. A motion. Second. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can we have roll call? Yes. 25 00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:17.040 >> Yes. >> Resolution 2026-110. This is a resolution authorizing a contract with Atlantic Coastal Alarm Inc. for the Brigintine Library Elevator fire alarm replacement in the amount of $9,300. Motion second. 26 00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:33.520 >> Second. Questions or comments? Seeing none, can we have roll call? >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> Resolution 2026-11, resolution authorizing the city manager 27 00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:49.280 to sign and execute any documents necessary for the replacement of bulkhead located within the 14th Street South right ofway. The motion second. >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, can we have roll call? >> Yes. 28 00:44:49.280 --> 00:45:05.200 >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Sir. >> Yes. >> Next up, we have our consent agenda. We have the Brigantine Elks Drug Awareness 5K, the Surf and Land Sports Tournament, 36 Street Fishing Tournament, Lions Club 29 00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:23.359 Classic Car Show, the uh D Firecracker 5K. I was like, D firecracker. He said, uh, the Elks raffle license number 1150. We have a motion. Second motion. >> Second. >> Questions or comments? Seeing none, profile. 30 00:45:23.359 --> 00:45:41.920 >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Council manager committee discussions. >> Uh, nothing. Mayor, sorry. Department. Sorry. Steve's looking at me. 31 00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:56.880 >> All right. Deputy mayor. >> All right. I'm just looking forward to opening day of baseball parade on Saturday morning starting at 9:00 a.m. here by the fire department, I believe it is. Come on out and cheer on our kids. There are going to be quite a few 32 00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:12.960 games going on at after the parade arrives down at uh at 26th Street. And uh Saturday, April 25th is the cherry cherry blossom festival weekend. Hopefully our cherry blossoms will be in 33 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:29.119 full bloom that weekend. John, have you ordered that? >> Okay, good. I just want to let everybody know if you purchase tickets for the cherry blossom tea, which is from 2 to 4:00 that afternoon, the 25th, that there has been 34 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:49.359 a change of venue. It is the Presbyterian church was double booked. So, the tea is now going to be at the BFW. It's always a lovely afternoon. That's it. >> Sure. >> That's Thank you, mayor. Uh just had a 35 00:46:49.359 --> 00:47:04.960 recently on Monday, we had a record board meeting. It was nice to see John there John Doring and also Tiger was excellent. on a number of subjects and uh along the lines of recreation as 36 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:19.920 Karen mentioned the baseball parade which is always a great event for the kids and just it's really wonderful baseball and softball excuse me Mike and I both being former VPs uh we're always into it and uh the boys and girls this summer it's a great kickoff event for 37 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:36.319 them the children really love it the parents love it so come on out if you can and just one last thing I got my Flyers jersey on here. I mean, we don't have, unfortunately, we don't have our own Brit team hockey league going, but uh we get out there and patronize our local establishments, 38 00:47:36.319 --> 00:47:51.839 bars, restaurants, grab a bite to eat. Playoff hockey is on its way. We haven't had it for about six years here in the region, so our Flyers are in the playoffs, so get out there and support them. Everybody have a great spring. Enjoy the point weather. Thank you. 39 00:47:51.839 --> 00:48:14.000 I'll see everyone Saturday morning hopefully for the uh raid. We support local charities on the islands. All kinds of things going on, new events. 40 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:52.559 Also, the beach commission meeting we're targeting week of May 18th. All invited to attend message that will be getting out time. Just want to get that out. >> Thanks, Mayor. Just want to thank 41 00:48:52.559 --> 00:49:09.920 everybody for coming out tonight. Also want to thank our veterans for uh what you do. See couple good ones and uh everybody else who volunteers for different committees garden club and everything else that makes our island so 42 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:26.160 wonderful. I mean that's what it's all about. Other than that the cultural arts commission has a big day coming up on April 25th uh at the cove have Frank Sinatra Frank Sinatra uh act It's going to be a great time. Starts 43 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:42.400 around four o'clock. It's $45. So, if you're free that day, get down and check it out. Coach Lars Commission's been dealing with some good things about uh our 250th anniversary of the country, July 4th weekend, and also the 100th 44 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:58.400 anniversary of the city after Labor Day. So, we're working on that. Other than that, if there's any problems or anything, want to give me a call. You know where to find me? My numbers on the front page of the team times. Um, 45 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:18.640 you got that tiger. >> Now you're on the prompt, huh? >> All right. And as always, I want to thank John Doring for the wonderful job he does. So, thanks. That's all I got. Hi, guys. Question two. Any update on 46 00:50:18.640 --> 00:50:34.720 recstruction? I think they're supposed to start around. >> Yes. Uh I believe the schedule that I just got, I think within like the next 10 days, they're going to start uh paving, getting everything done. The schedule does have them completing just 47 00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:51.920 before Memorial Day. Um there was a concern. We did receive a uh an email from a resident was concerned that if we weren't going to be done by Memorial Day that we should just push it off to the fall. Um but we have uh I've talked to our engineer who has talked to the contractor pending weather and if it's 48 00:50:51.920 --> 00:51:07.760 beautiful weather between now and then everything will be great. Any delays they uh are aware that over the Memorial Day weekend that the area has to be completely clear and by that point in the project it will be repaved and everything. There may just be some minor work going on. But they do know for that 49 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:23.200 weekend everything needs to be removed from that area. So barring any major weather delays, we should have that whole area redone before they said they're looking to start in the next 10 days. >> Yeah, I think uh I think it was like the 50 00:51:23.200 --> 00:51:39.119 27th or the 24th or something like that. They were they were scheduled to start. Ed just gave me the uh the update the other day. I think it was right around there next week or two. Want to give everybody an update. Uh we've been, I guess, working with South 51 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:54.079 Jersey Gas to find out what's going on with uh the delivery fees, the rider rates, and why things are so high. Um had reached out to him. We've gone back and forth. I requested more information and working with Senator Palestine on this. I had a representative, I guess, 52 00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:09.119 from higher up at South Jersey Gas has now reached out to me and, uh, she let me know that they are working to gather the information, but she wants to, I guess, either have a phone conference or meet with me to discuss the questions I've asked. So, um, I'll be reaching out 53 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:25.200 to her to set up that meeting, see what's going on. I spoke with Senator Paulina's office to let him know as well. And, uh, he said just to keep him posted, um, on the meeting. So, we'll keep everybody updated and uh hopefully we'll have some answers for everyone soon. Another thing I wanted to make council 54 00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:41.119 aware of and this is some people from the area. So, it's uh good timing. Uh there was an issue that came up at the uh last planning board meeting where some of the neighbors had talked about uh some flooding issues and some I guess trash uh surrounding the old rotten real 55 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:57.440 property. We had our uh superintendent of public works and our city engineer go down and take a look at it. I think the two issues of concern were flooding was the um a gap between the gabian wall and the existing bulkhead. Um both went down and looked at it. Uh the gabian wall and 56 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:14.559 bulkhead are buted up to each other about as close as possible. But the problem with the gabian walls, if you guys are unfamiliar, but they're basically rocks in a cage. So for the city, we would have rather have had a bulkhead there. It would have made the island more watertight. uh the D and 57 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:29.839 CFRA I'm gonna say CAFRA wanted to make sure that it was a gabian wall there. So it does allow some seepage but our engineer is going to look at what steps we can take to try to plug that up a little bit more. Also too there was a concern that the uh outfall pipe there 58 00:53:29.839 --> 00:53:45.040 was clogged. I know the public works is going to take the jetack truck down there to kind of flush it through to see if there's any issues there. We're also looking at putting the check valves that come duck bills with the little steels on the end of the pipe that'll help stop water from coming through. And also for 59 00:53:45.040 --> 00:54:02.319 the street end, uh we're looking we've done this in some of the other areas where to clean them up, we've done some curbing and sidewalk. So this way it's not just a bulkhead into the street. So we're looking at doing that as well. So I want to keep people updated on that. You guys know that we're moving forward on that. I'll also be sending an email 60 00:54:02.319 --> 00:54:17.440 out to the residents in that area. I do uh have an email list with some of the groups that are there. So, just to kind of make you guys aware of that issue that came up. At this time, we'll open it up. We'll have public comment. Anybody wishing to be heard, please come up and state your name and address for the record. Yes, 61 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:39.440 John. >> John Johnson, 36 Coil Beach Drive. Uh my own personal update is Route 24 doing the inspection of the water lines. Happy to report this week they did my personal water line and it was copper 62 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:55.599 from the street to the valve and then copper to my house. So for me, hooray. My other comment is coming here and seeing our lobby and city hall going under demolition and renovation and new 63 00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:14.680 finishes tonight to walk in and see cool modern furniture. So now we're looking real first class. Thanks for everything. >> Awesome. Thank you, Brooks. >> Thank you. I have a hand out if I may. 64 00:55:49.440 --> 00:56:06.480 Thank you for this opportunity to present a few concerns I have for the council specific to the rod and reel site. So these issues are council related issues because they dealt with action this board took. Uh the first one is on the 14th street north was vacated 65 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:21.680 to the property owner of the rod and reel site and again that property uh is bordered by of course steelman's bay and to the north at one forc wildlife reserve one of the most valuable properties in Brigantine was it the 66 00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:38.000 council's intent to vacate and give him that entire street that's one question next question when the council vacated the street there's a storm water that been talked about. Thank you, Mayor and John During. Uh outlet fall that goes through that 67 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:53.200 property. It actually goes underneath of the Gabian wall that was installed north of 14th Street. It protects that site and that property. So my question is, was there an easement uh or a way for the city to maintain that storm water 68 00:56:53.200 --> 00:57:10.559 inlet system which floods so we can't get to our homes and 14th Street is effectively blocked through the vacated street that is now part of the rod and reel site. How's that to be maintained and who does that? Um and again the uh 69 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:27.599 concern about the rod and real estate with the import dirty dirt. We've talked about it for decades uh for sorry last five or six years. You've had copies of the video and of the photographs that we have of that. The concern is that that site now drains back to Beach Avenue 70 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:44.400 between 13th and 14th Street North. and Beach Avenue uh drains towards 14th Street North and that adds to the flooding as a contributing factor. There's nothing to control the siller sand wash off from that site back to the thing because the site was filled. So 71 00:57:44.400 --> 00:58:01.280 again, the concern is can we have and you suggested perhaps curbs and sidewalks. I would think that would be part of the redevelopment plan. Um when I talked about the curve and sidewalk that was in the street end some of the residents who came in and you might not have spoken about this but a couple of the residents who came in I think from 72 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:18.400 Stillman's Worth Yeah. said that the street end I believe on 13th Street was dirty and there were some issues. So part of what we were looking put in curving and sidewalk to help clean that up. >> Okay. So that that would be that side of the property >> on 13th Street North but the south side 73 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:35.599 of that you're saying on their side >> on the south side of their property. >> Okay. And and again appreciate that. Um other question for council again um the access due to the public trust doctrine. I've talked about the public trust doctrine, giving you copies of the 74 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:50.960 public trust doctrine, including recent litigation in New Jersey and other states about public views and access. 14th Street is one way north, very important highway because it's the end of the Ocean Drive highway from Cape May 75 00:58:50.960 --> 00:59:07.040 to Brigantine. Thank God. That's why we have the atm forsight 50,000 acre wildlife preserve doesn't bridge over to seven bridge road uh out towards the Ruckers University station. So the the the question is again this council is 76 00:59:07.040 --> 00:59:22.720 responsible for public views and access to Steelman's Bay. The property owner promised that he would provide 14th Street access to Steelman's Bay. It's not included on the approved site plan uh for the first hearing that the planning board had. There was a question 77 00:59:22.720 --> 00:59:38.720 about it. Mr. Lati thought that perhaps that was for the driveway. If they were going to put a garage, but putting a garage on Steelman's Bay and the north end of the property would be putting a garage where the best view in Brigantine is one of them. Uh so again my question 78 00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:56.640 is uh with regard to that issue the the public trust doctrine issue will this council enforce the public trust doctrine and then have the rod and real site comply with that 20 foot setback which is also part of the north end redevelopment plan. This council in 2017 79 00:59:56.640 --> 01:00:14.559 offered uh advice on the redevelopment plan. They hired a professional. In 2021, this council adopted that plan. In that plan, it defines corner lots as any lot that has two street frontages. So, that would be 14th Street North, Beach 80 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:30.960 Avenue, and 13th Street North. Those two lots are corner lots and should have a 20- foot setback. There is no mention, as there is in the standard zoning laws, of a secondary front yard setback of 15 ft. The planning board approved a 81 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:46.559 non-compliant plan based on false testimony and mistaken professionals uh advice from the professional planner. I'm asking again enforce the public trust doctrine as a council and the uh 82 01:00:46.559 --> 01:01:03.520 redevelopment plan that this council approved. That concludes my statements. I hope you will consider that. I'll be back at the final reading that starts the clock on the 45day period for any uh concerns regarding redevelopment of that site in 83 01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:20.079 accordance with the North End redevelopment plan. So there's a time clock associated with that which would be very unfortunate if it went that far. I'm hoping with relationships in town you can work it out and have that applicant comply. Thank you for hearing 84 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:35.920 me out. Questions? Now, one of the things I guess that's your thoughts, but I do before we have our next speaker, one of the things I want to address is my understanding is with the complaint about the dirty dirt that because I noticed with the planning board, you had 85 01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:51.200 said that the city technically didn't reply to you, but my understanding is that the city referred you to the county who oversees it. When the county did an investigation on it, they found that there was no issue with the dirt. So, that that doesn't have anything to do 86 01:01:51.200 --> 01:02:06.960 with the city. That would be a county issue because they oversee that >> when it comes to the building permit. >> When it comes to the access when it comes to the access. >> So when it comes to the access um you talk about public access that falls 87 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:23.599 under CFRA and the plan that the developer has there was actually approved by the state of New Jersey. So that's not something that we control before the developer came back to the planning board. This is something we often do is some of these developments 88 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:39.839 is we have them go to the state. They have to get their state approvals and get all their whatever they need from them before they can come back. So the access plan that they have in place is what was actually approved by the state of New Jersey. Um 89 01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:55.839 and I know some of the things you had brought up with the setbacks and I know your letter because I did read your letter uh with the pools and the decks and things like that. Um, our planning board professionals, our attorney, our 90 01:02:55.839 --> 01:03:11.200 master plan, and our planning board engineer have all said when you brought these issues up at the planning board that this development as it is and came forward, there's no variances that are there and that it fits in with both the 91 01:03:11.200 --> 01:03:30.160 master plan as well as um the north end redevelopment plan. So, I know that you're saying that it's under false testimony. >> Yes. >> But in essence, you're saying that our professionals that work for the board lie to the board and lie to the city. 92 01:03:30.160 --> 01:03:46.720 >> Yes, I am saying that you were given false testimony by the applicant and the professional planner made a mistake. And I'm asking this council because I just gave it to you. It's highlighted. It says corner lots on page seven, last paragraph. You could open it up and look 93 01:03:46.720 --> 01:04:02.640 right now. Doesn't take a professional planner, registered architect, professional engineer >> address by our professionals. >> It's in the packet I gave to Vince. Just take a minute and read it. Says corner lots and then on the next page it's highlighted says 20 ft. There's no 94 01:04:02.640 --> 01:04:19.280 allowance for secondary or less than 20 feet. >> I think another section that says so I'm so Brooks I'm not >> I'm not disagreeing with >> it would be inappropriate for this council. I I have a question for you. I I'm gonna ask you a question. One second. Give me one second. What I want 95 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:35.440 to say, Brooks, is I'm not questioning what you're saying, and I think our attorney is going to get to this. One of the things I want you to understand is I don't know that this council has the authority to overturn planning board decisions. And that's what I want to be really clear about. And I'm pretty sure 96 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:51.359 that's what you're about to tell me. So, we are willing to listen. And I want to say that these issues were brought up. our professionals on the planning board addressed that. The planning board voted on it. One of the things you alluded to was the 45day window. So, I would tell 97 01:04:51.359 --> 01:05:07.920 you is that probably the appropriate action this point forward. If you think that the professionals didn't do their job and didn't tell the truth or that the applicant lied, that there is a formal appeal process and I would recommend that you go through the formal appeal process. We do not have the 98 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:25.119 authority to overturn their decisions. So that's why I said like the issues that were brought up with flooding, the gabian wall, issues that were brought up with the outfall pipe. These are all things we said at the core that we will we will take care of. If it's an issue with the developer, we're going to have 99 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:41.920 them do the work. If it's an issue with the city, we're going to move to work. We'll take care of that. But we don't have the authority to overturn their decision. And that's and it's not that we're trying to turn the blind eye. It's not that we're trying to dissuade you. And you're all welcome to speak and speak your peace. But I want you to 100 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:58.480 understand that there is a formal process for that and I would recommend that you take it through that formal process. >> And you understand that's litigation and superior court of New Jersey. >> I understand that that's litigation, but I'm telling you that the city council does not have the authority to overturn 101 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:14.640 a planning court decision. >> That's why we have a separate planning board that makes those decisions. It's why we have professionals that are assigned to that planning board. And and again, I'm asking I think there was a mistake made. I think there was false testimony given. I'm asking you to talk 102 01:06:14.640 --> 01:06:31.039 to the applicant after you read the documents and perhaps let them resubmit a compliant plan. That's what I'm asking. I will tell you out of respect for you, I can present it to the applicant, >> but if the applicant says no, and that's one of the things I want to make sure 103 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:47.119 you were aware of because you mentioned the 45day window. I want to make sure that you and the neighbors understand that from the date of the planning next week's planning board meeting there'll be a resolution and from either the date of the resolution or the date I think it has to be published whichever comes 104 01:06:47.119 --> 01:07:03.680 second there's a 45day window on which you can take action and I want to make sure that you understand that you have a legal path forward but this council doesn't have the authority to do that >> and that would be unfortunate for >> it it would but that's that may be the 105 01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:20.319 direction of the applicant. So the applicant has made changes the I know that they can have a 40% lot coverage. The lock coverage is at 25%. One of the things I look at is the houses are spaced out and talk about views. If you condense the houses in closer together, 106 01:07:20.319 --> 01:07:38.319 you're actually going to obstruct more of the views from the people across from the property. That's why I say think about it for the um make sure that when you move it forward that you understand the pieces of it and you understand that your rights move 107 01:07:38.319 --> 01:07:53.920 forward and that's what I want to let you know the council doesn't have the authority. I can bring it to the developer but we have no ability to make that developer do anything beyond what was approved. Once the planning board made a decision, we can move forward. 108 01:07:53.920 --> 01:08:10.960 >> But if it's based on a mistake perhaps, >> so if it's based on a mistake, then you and the neighbors would need to take that up process and demonstrate that there's been a mistake there. So I just want to make sure that you fully understand your 109 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:26.640 rights and you don't miss any time. That's all. >> I appreciate that. Again, I'm not here with council tonight >> and I try to avoid that at all cost. I understand your suggestion. That is the next step. 110 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:42.719 >> Thanks to anybody else, Brooks, too. I mean, I just had one minor point to add. Um, reading one of your emails, I just gone back a few weeks and you mentioned again speaking just now regarding push and drive and it going down to the north end. And I used to ride that my bike 111 01:08:42.719 --> 01:08:59.040 many years ago, more so the south end, but you know over the Stone Harbor Bridge and work my way up. Uh it to the best of my knowledge, it always ended in Atlantic City in the Pacific Atlantic Avenue right abid right there. Uh and I kind of looked into it a little bit more. I didn't 112 01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:16.040 couldn't find some official entity for Ocean Drive, but uh everything I found still indicates that it ends in LA city, not Bri. So it's not a big deal. Just a just a notation. I just want to remind you we're still in the public comment period. 113 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:39.359 >> Appreciate Nancy Pino 2214 Street North. Um okay so I understand thank you for explaining and and extrapolating that. Um, I just wanted also to be clear that the north end redevelopment plan, um, 114 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:56.560 he, you specifically asked Lance, uh, did it have the corner lot set back and he said no. And we were holding up a copy of it and we were saying, "Yeah, it did." And then afterwards he said to Brooks, "Oh, he made a mistake." So, it was approved again with whatever. So, 115 01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:13.360 okay, if we have to litigate that with a judge, then that's fine. But, it really is a safety concern. the drains um the drainage of into 14th Street North. I came to council August 18th, 2021 when I heard about the street vacation and I was worried about the public access, but 116 01:10:13.360 --> 01:10:28.400 I was also really concerned about the street flooding and the street floods so much we can't get out when it rains. It's not just tidal water. It's both when it rains and that. In fact, I told council people were cutting across the pump house yard and my yard and coming 117 01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:44.080 out my driveway to avoid the water. Uh Paul had suggested we build a fence and um as it was we planted a tree and that stopped that. Now the water because they raised the part of Beach Avenue by the Rod and Reel lot now it floods even 118 01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:59.360 further down 14th Street North. So it actually blocks my driveway. So when it's heavy rain, I have a million pictures of this if you want to see. Uh if it's heavy rain, I can't get out of my driveway without going through flooding. Sometimes the flooding in a big storm gets like knee deep. I mean 119 01:10:59.360 --> 01:11:14.560 it's serious flooding. So, it's a safety concern. I think it's more than just a blocked out flow fall valve kind of thing. I think it needs a bigger fix than that. Um, and also now the city has added a car wash to the mix. So, the 120 01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:30.560 city has put um hoses, which is a great idea, and people are coming off the beach and everybody's washing their car. We get at least 10 to 12 cars big wash a day. So, that water, I have pictures, that water runs from the hose down to that drain. So even if it's not raining 121 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:45.280 outside, it's flooded there a little bit. I mean, it's a small amount. We've got a lot of water in that area and not a lot of drainage. So it concerns me that a minor subdivision is being approved as if it has a street that has adequate drainage, and there really is 122 01:11:45.280 --> 01:12:01.520 not adequate drainage in that street. Um, so I just would urge city council to look into doing something about it because it it really is a problem. It's a safety hazard. So, I just I don't know that, you know, now 123 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:17.679 you're going to add lawns and water and everything and that's going to both flow down into that drain. So, if the drain is owned by the residents of that that house, like how do we get them to clean out the street? Who's responsible for that? Um, could we put a drain by the 124 01:12:17.679 --> 01:12:34.239 car wash or something? Because it's it's coming I have pictures. It comes all the way down, flows down to the end and into that drain. So, I'm really concerned about that uh as safety and also the mosquitoes because it'll flood and pull the water 125 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:49.679 and it becomes like a a mosquito breeding ground in the summer coming up. Um so anyway, that's that's one of my biggest concerns and I have here from my notes that I came in 2021 talking about that I've sent various emails so I have 126 01:12:49.679 --> 01:13:06.480 established that this is an ongoing problem. This isn't something that just happened. uh at one point you cut out a swale kind of thing and that helped for a little bit but I think the problem is more than that. So I would just appreciate if you continue to fix this 127 01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:21.280 problem. >> We will we will address the the flooding down there and we're we're starting to work on that now and that's why we had our superintendent and our uh city engineer to go down and start to come up with some ideas. So we'll start with the simp simplest solutions first and 128 01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:36.480 continue to escalate. In some areas, we've had to do full street reconstructions because the water's not flowing right. In some areas, we've had to look at new drainage. >> So, that that is something we we'll continue to work through that problem. >> Okay. I I fear that's what needs to be done here. And especially, I just want 129 01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:52.920 you to be aware of the car wash problem because multiple cars and it's flooded all day long now. So, you know, and a lot of sand coming in, that's adding a whole other mix to the No, thank Okay. Thank you. 130 01:13:59.040 --> 01:14:16.000 Dr. Excuse me, Dr. Michael Coast, 2081 15th Street North. I've got very little to add. The only concern I have is when I've talked to members is that the flooding is caused by tidal flow. That's not exactly accurate. Obviously flooding 131 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:32.000 is exa is made worse by tidal flow when high tide. But the picture I have was made on 8:31 2021 which was an hour within low tide. So what's happening is 132 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:47.840 when the there's a heavy rainfall you get 18 inches of flood water on on beach at 14th irrespective of where the tide is. >> You said your picture is from 2021. Yes, I I have them. Uh 133 01:14:47.840 --> 01:15:03.679 >> I the only reason I ask is and I don't doubt any of the flooding. I actually went down there during Hurricane Aaron because we had lots of flooding and I saw that there was some water in in the gutters, but it wasn't like deep. So, I understand it may be from heavy rain, 134 01:15:03.679 --> 01:15:19.920 but I didn't know if you had any more recent pictures than 2021. >> That was the only one I had uh that I made. >> Nancy, if you could email those to me. If you have pictures, just email them to me. So I can take a look at it. >> Yeah. >> In fact, just want to bring up real quick. He posted something on Facebook 135 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:37.520 about, "Oh, it doesn't real." And my neighbor responded, "Oh, wait. You just go to 14th Street North. It's flooded here at the corner." And I said, "I don't think so." She called me. I have a picture from that day. There was actually I have pictures from that day, too. 136 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:54.000 >> But you had seen it because the rail lot didn't flood. It's all only at the intersection. 14th Street North going down. So, it's higher because they dumped all the dirt and then they um raised the elevation of the street. So, all of that goes right to the 137 01:15:54.000 --> 01:16:09.360 >> Yeah, I'll look at that because I do have pictures from the intersection during Hurricane Aaron. And I had put that it was a major improvement. it it was an improvement from what it used to be because like you're saying in 2021 and I don't know when the gabian was put in and that's that's what I that's how I 138 01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:24.800 want you to some of your pictures so I can get a better idea of what that flooding is because when I went down there and took pictures maybe I missed it but I took pictures of the intersection there and maybe I just missed it because I have pictures of 13th Street >> so if you could send them to me that 139 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:41.040 would be really helpful. >> We have lots of pictures. >> All right, perfect. Thank you. >> So do you need pictures with time stamps? No. Yes. >> Well, just I if you have anything more current than 2021. It was almost 5 years ago, but anything because what we want to get a look at is an accurate picture of where it's pooling up because even 140 01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:56.239 our city engineer said, "I saw it on a nice day. I'm going to go down during a storm, during rain." So, if we know where to go look, then we can start to put together a better picture of how to address it because really the flooding needs to be addressed. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Absolutely. 141 01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:12.000 >> This is 18 inches without without it wasn't raining. It was low tide. It had been raining very heavily because of Storm Henry. >> Yes. >> In 2021, but it wasn't raining at the time. So, this was poor drainage. Okay. >> Due to whatever. 142 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:27.120 >> All right. Perfect. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And like I said, just Nancy, if you send me this, >> this is just this here. Yeah. How do I >> Yeah. >> How do I send this to you? Just your email. >> Email it. email that to my city email address so I can give it to our superintendent and our city engineer and 143 01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:43.280 then we can start to use that to develop the plan. >> Okay, >> that'd be really helpful. Thank you. >> There's no other public comment. All right, we're going to close the public portion. Any final council comments? Question. 144 01:17:43.280 --> 01:17:58.800 I've lived on 13th Street North since 1970. That was always a flooded area, especially between 12 and 13. Are there any sewers there or culberts? Because the water runs down 13th Street. 145 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:31.760 It just puddles at the end in front, you know, not even in front of the the lot that we're talking about. It would would puddle there. And where does it go? the plug buster there. I remember it in the past. I haven't seen it lately, but 146 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:48.679 in years past, they would come take that manhole cover off and pump out whatever is in the middle of the street there. But there's really no sewer head except for that one that they talk about on 14th Street that's covered with with rock 147 01:18:51.840 --> 01:19:29.280 by cleaning it out. And I'm not an engineer. If the 6 in pipe isn't big enough or I don't So yeah, we'll do the check that >> seems like the water that runs down from 148 01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:44.880 14 gets puddled up there before it gets into that drain. the only drain. That's where problem is. Not so much with the tide backing up. That's another that's an additional problem. But I think just a 149 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:59.920 normal rain will flood that corner because I have to make that corner going home because I have to make my left on 14th and then left on 13th Street. And they're right about the fact that it's always water. 150 01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:18.000 >> Last two pages have storm water inlets identified. So they're ready. And Paul, just so you know, we've had this issue on a few other streets and we've had to do full reconstructions, curving, gutter, everything to get the water flow. The problem is is brigantine 151 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:33.120 is very low and some of the streets we only have about an inch or two of rise and fall. So, it's hard to make the water run. After Hurricane Sandy, it actually packed everything down and we've lost some of that like run from the water. This may be a street that 152 01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:49.080 needs a full reconstruction to get it to go, but putting the check that's >> that might be the issue. I remember the issue of 14 street left it up to the builder to reconstruct 14 153 01:20:51.920 --> 01:21:16.800 reconstru but it's running down to that inlet but yes we may it may take >> yeah I just wanted to update you uh found the email that Ed sent me. So, this coming Monday, the 20th, the homeowners will be notified of the work 154 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:36.000 that's going to begin. And then on the 27th, we'll start doing the concrete curbs and gutters and start working all that stuff on Harbor Beach. Yeah. 27th. >> 27th. Yeah. The homeowner should get notified next week. >> Okay. >> Other council comments. 155 01:21:36.000 --> 01:22:17.239 All right. Seeing none, we have a motion and second to >> adjurnn. Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Any oppos? Seeing none. Motion pass. Thank you guys for coming out and watching your council team at work. >> Thank you. That's it. 156 01:22:42.400 --> 01:26:21.840 God. like July 4th pretty much got that under control. Appreciate your phone. First I'm sorry. Welcome to Chase. text. 157 01:26:21.840 --> 01:29:05.400 >> No, he's good. That's what I said. That's what it is. Yeah. Check. where we need that parallel beach. They just did it. So perfect.