okay all set okay uh first item review revision andoss vote on a revised school department audit scope uh that was in our packet that was spent earlier this afternoon um let's start off discussion any any thoughts on this so I had a comment from um uh advisory committee member Harry fredman um which I think is relevant that just asking that there's a l language in there about a small group
update um and asking that a member of the advisory committee be a part of that um we don't have a problem with that I just the issue there is um open meeting law issues with um Tes School partnership so it would have to be a design of the advisory committee who is not a current tsp member so as long as Dennis and Cliff are okay with that um because I do think it's important for the chairs of the select board and the school committee to be there right yeah
it's also important that we do this strictly um for uh along the strictly according to the rules because um this may be a little controversial okay anyone object to that um it so be it you make that change to the um um scope do you mind if I put it on the screen just so people are watching along know what we're talking about thank you
um DZ why don't you go down to the second page so people can see what we were just oh okay just pulled it up I'm tracking changes here so you can see while the review is in progress the third paragraph on the second page firm shall meet at least every two weeks with a small group which may include chair Town School partnership committee which is you chair of the Brookline audit
committee was Paul chair of the school committee was Andy me um so I'm just going to add designate from the advisory committee okay uh should you say that uh a member not on the town School partnership just so if anyone anyone reading that is not going to make an issue of that
uh any other uh comments or questions about the uh scope of work I think is pretty thorough I have my hand up oh I'm sorry um Mariah um I have two questions one is there was a comment the other day asking if Town Council had reviewed the other scope and my question is did Town Council review this scope yes he did okay and then my next question is there were some previous questions that um from that were from the initial scope of
work that appear to have not carried through to this one and I was wondering why um so I think there what we did was we tried to where possible so we tried to do a couple of things with this one was we tried to Encompass those in some of the broader questions that were that were then put in there um we also tried simultaneously and this was Town Council suggestion to really make sure that what
we're asking for is feasible to be done within a relatively short period of time so ra not asking you know can you go into specifics about certain things but can you give us the broad overview of how we got where we are um and what from a best practices perspective we can do about it um that was really the the big note that Town Council had for us not to necessarily get bugged down in the question of um you know what are our obligations under the idea and how are
we meeting them um but more are we are we complying you know are we complying broadly with the requirements um uh and the best practices um for a massachus school system um and so rather than focusing that and digging deep into the legal question which I think was the concern raised at advisory it focuses more on best practices and the the the um what can be done to um ensure that they're uh
being followed here are there spe is there are specific things r that you think are missing that we should add back in or try and add add Focus to because I can pull up the old scope if that's helpful yeah I mean I think that there's one there's the one you mentioned which I appreciate what you're saying but there's also which maybe it's here and I'm missing it is um the question of and maybe you feel like you're addressing in other places but the special education cost increase um
over the prior year for from 23 to 24 and from 24 to 25 represent those costs so oh sorry you like what what portion of the of the cost increases are being driven by special education is that your question the question is really um are they accurate and this ties to the complaint that has been made I see yeah and so I feel like that has disappeared and um I think the specific question on number
six here kind of gets at that which is the allegation the complaint made was that there were expenditures charged to osss that shouldn't have been charged to them and that was what was responsible they were paired yes they were paired question so if you feel like that covers it then I suppose we could yes I do I think so but I'm I am welcome if the committee thinks the partnership thinks that there needs to be more clarity there we can add that but I tend yeah I'm particularly curious I mean Andy and I like spend a lot of time I think you
know or listen to a lot of the school committee questions if Andy you feel like this still covers the questions that came from school committee I think what chess said makes sense to me that this is um as you said they're paired questions and actually the one that survives kind of or the the one that's in the current draft um kind of covers it okay these are also things that can be followed up on during these regular meetings um as the is in
progress Mike Salmon thanks Berard so there are two things one is although to some extent a question four covers it um we we talk about in five we ask how do PSP's Financial practices compared to best practices I think at four we should say how to PSP's management uh practices um and maybe internal controls processes and procedures covers that but I do think the term management practice it needs to be in there um the second thing
is six is fine as it is but it's not just a question of whether there are expenditures that were charged to the um office of student services but rather with I think it it it's appropriate to ask whether um charges in general are being uh uh allocated to the the appropriate um the appropriate uh budget line item um and so OS it this gives the
sense that really we're talking about the office of student services that's I don't think that's what advisory was looking for and I don't think that's what the select board was asking for let me let me think on that um you've got two the two six and seven both refer to um uh OSS it's not just OSS that that um have have uh that I
think need to be reviewed no and I agree but I think that you know the the big questions up top are now the ones that attempt to cover that right which is you know what are the reasons for why we are where we are and is any of that attributable to failure to follow you lack of practices failure to follow established practices misfeasance you know those are the those are the big questions right why are we where we are and are any of those the the result of something that's correctable um as opposed to Market
forces you know um okay then you know then you don't need six and seven if four 1 two 3 four five covers all of that uh what the thing that I'm concerned about is that six and seven tends to point the review in One Direction and we're I think looking for a broader review than that can I respond to that okay just that while there is um broader questions if you look at the purpose of the request number one is a
complaint of a senior member and there were specific allegations made and if we don't get any answers about some of these specific allegations I think that it's um to the detriment of the overall project so while I appreciate that there are parties who and I am one of them who is interested in some bigger questions I still think that there are some specific questions that should not be lost in the the trees should not be lost for the forest if you will okay interesting analogy
um I understand the point Mar I I just think um you know I'm worried that that the that the interpretation will be well okay this is mostly about the complaint and office of student services and honestly it's beyond that that was a trigger but it's not the main issue can can I make a comment um so mik I I don't understand your first question about management practices we can kind of come back to that um I I tend to agree with Mariah on this I by the way I
think this document is Light Years better than what existed before um I think that there probably does need to be something here that focuses on the actual complaint um but I I also think Mike you bring up an important question which is that this is not going to um in the next six weeks do everything that a
number of people are interested in having done and I think and I don't know if this is the right time to talk about it but that's the uh kind of the whole Next Step um process I mean Chaz talks about it in his memo uh and refers to the the North Andover um uh situation you know what would make me most comfortable here is to um simultaneously with going
forward with this you know have a document that essentially commits everyone to taking those next steps so that we don't just do this and then all of a sudden you know we stop um I I I I think that's a risk and I would like to eliminate that risk personally um if at all possible and and Mike that would sort of I think solve your other
concern so so those are those are questions that should be addressed in theou I and that was the purpose of theou to make sure that there there's follow through and and uh um in a broad sense you can see on the screen now I've I've edited question sorry I've edited question six to reflect Mike's want desire for broader language I do think is a matter of course to Cliff's point right we we want
answers to this and to Mariah's Point too we want answers that do relate back and focus to the you know the origin the origin point of some of this of some of this which is you know in my mind because I'm not directly involved in the school process these sometimes feel like separate issues to me um in that there's a complaint out there I don't know what the status of the investigation that complaint is internally and we shouldn't
be talking about that in this in an open setting I assume it's being investigated internally um I also think that there is um but then and then there's the broader issue of the deficits um and sometimes those feel decoupled to me but there are allegations that pertain to the finances in the complaint that can also be folded in I think and are good fits to be looking at the broader question of how
we got where we are um and so trying to thread that needle with a six we frame and potentially you know leaving those broader questions about you know digging deep into the numbers and the line items and so forth um to you know it's not just you know identifying problems as opposed to being the specificity we don't want you know here you know you you bought 57 pencils when you really were supposed to buy by 56 you know we
want broader analysis of here are this here are the structural issues that are contributing to this here are the market issues that are contributing to this and um what can you do about them um that's really where we need to be now because that also shapes whatever that followon Mo MOA looks like right if the analysis says here are your issues then the mo MOA talks about how we control for that you know there's been discussion about things like going back to re-evaluating
how we how we Finance special how we fund special education you know thinking about that through the town School partnership in some way so that might a commitment to do that for example might wind up in the mo MOA um you know commitment similar to the ones that the North Andover District made might wind up in the mo MOA um but that's going to come out of this initial process so I want to be careful not to throw everything in here but I also want there to be enough information for us to know
what the next steps are um and be able to create something that has practical value and is enforceable between all of us so that we're all committing to uh you know a mid-range path to getting us getting back on track and rebuilding you know frankly Community Trust in the process okay Dennis Charlie can you also promote Linus hey Dennis yeah thanks Dennis Dennis was
not up it's Den Dennis is now promoted yeah sorry yeah my hand I couldn't could not speaking now you can now I can and I can't for some reason I can't turn my video on and I'm not gonna worry about it um hold on Mike yeah sorry yeah I'll put it down no no um I had a couple uh yeah I had a couple of um of comments like I I wanted to reiterate that I I too think that Mariah's point about making sure that in
during the six week um period that there is an answer to uh question question six I was perfectly comfortable with it prior to the editing that was just um that was just done but I don't feel strongly about the the change um but I do think that um you know Contra Mike it is important to call that out because they because the community cares about the answer to that question and I want to make sure it gets answered I would also say uh to Mariah's earlier comment about the
pairwise set of of questions an enormous amount of time was spent the other night at advisory trying to decipher precisely what was meant by the question that was formerly numbered um five um because the language was somewhat um confusing and so the fact that that's gone and it has been superceeded by what what is here I think is fine because I think this is clearer than what was being discussed the other night to chaz's point about about
operating at a high level I do wonder whether in the newly revised question six whether whether we care whether there are any expenditures that were inappropriately or inaccurately charged or if we only care about significant expenditures in some sense you know like you said 57 pencils versus 56 pencils is not that interesting um and so I'm wondering whether we would like to indicate that we're really interested in either you know notable you know
expenditures that actually affect the budget or that are representative of of um you know management or procedural problems rather than just minor oversights because I don't think we care about the trivial things can I interject the term might be material sure that sounds like a good term material expenditures thank you to your point Dennis that was um that was the previous question five really asked about like are they broadly
representative we're not interested in individual costs we're interested in you know that that broadly representative question sure yeah and I think I think there the um you know I I think the the current question five actually encompasses some of that um and can you make it bigger because it's like two pages on the screen and I can't read it any sure sorry thank you yeah um so I see what
Dennis was I I I had I struggled with the same issue which is the question felt kind of like it it it felt like it didn't necessarily get at the broader problems that it was trying to get at which was as I read it and I tried to understand it it was basically asking are we right like is it are we correctly accounting for like special education costs Rising like is it true that special education
costs are going up and they're going up by this much and our experience is roughly on par with the experience in other communities and that to me feels like a question that doesn't really one I think the answer to that question is probably going to be yes but it depends you know every every Community is struggling with this issue of increased costs and flat enrollment um every Community to some extent is dealing with the issues of increased
cost of special education that's my understanding from conversations with other communities I don't think it's necessarily a question of are those costs going up um and are we accurately reflecting the amount of money that we are paying for them um it's a broader question of you know what controls are in place when we make those agreements to re to be able to demonstrate that the those Agreements are necessary to provide what it is that we're required to provide um um you know and what
backup do we have for that if we are challenged by the state for example um you know there are allegations being made that you know invoices are showing up on the school's doorstep um with no contract signed um that's not you know regardless of whether or not the costs are increasing and whether or not that's accurately reflected there's a problem there it doesn't matter like it doesn't matter what the costs are there if there's no contract why are we paying that invoice
um so there that's those are the kinds of issues that I want to I I I think are material to address here as opposed to trying to dig through the question of are are we accurate are we is it is it accurate to say that special education costs are rising and we're documenting that appropriately I have my hand up about that and about one of thing hey you still have that light background I'm
sorry I'm sorry it's my go ahead okay thank you um I will say Chaz though that uh this is also you you're saying that you don't think that it's meaningful but um it is another part of the allegations so I think it is important that it gets addressed um separately I would say that the rewarding here has focused on the budget but I and I'm not really sure where procurement processes fit in here
and one of the things that is a little bit different here about the previous one is I think the previous one there are some town offices that are providing Services um through the shared service model to PSB um such as procurement and I think that has disappeared in this draft in that there may actually be activities relating to the process these internal crols internal controls Etc that we're talking about which fall on the town side but are not reflected in this docu right now and I I'm not going
to Wordsmith on the fly but I just think that that's something to consider um and I'll just give one example is that there is a question in the community about um that has that has arisen that I certainly have no expertise to answer which is about how um procurement processes intersect with um legal obligation to provide special education services within a certain time frame depending on what the service is and so to the extent that PSB um or I
should say to the extent that town of Brookline process procurement processes do not conform with that I'm not sure that that's covered in the scope described here I mean I can tell you that no one is calling no one is calling the town procurement office on this and that's part of the problem um I I'm just gonna say it right no one is calling Rich no one no one was calling Dave jenus so I I I I'm happy to happy to
make sure that that you know any you know when it talks about the internal controls processes and procedures consistent um with P public school systems could be established or modified to e optimize or expedite the Fulfillment of legal obligations under state law I think that covers that question which is should you know are there townside operations that either aren't doing the right thing or are not being brought in um that should be um I think that covers that um but I do think
it's important to note that you know this this is the issue we've been discussing since I've come here um that you know we have we have strong procurement services on this side of the on this side of the Town School line um and they're available um this meeting is not yeah but I'm not I'm not here to say any you know I'm just saying that that's part of the question think that is an open question the community is mind that
we want to make sure that we also address to that to that point though I guess my question is Chaz if some of the Staffing um uh is or the practices are also on the town side does it make sense that you're on the group that they're reporting to like and if so how does that work in terms of lonus being on the group reporting or not on the group reporting the group being reported to I'm happy to take myself off the group being reported to if that's a concern but
frankly I'm just I'm just throwing it out there as you know just to think about how to make sure that there's no question on all of these different things right I just I I I I'm not gonna I'm GNA Reserve comment there okay very good uh clip you still have your hand up clip uh no I took that because I think Chaz pretty much covered um some of the things I was going to say
so um I don't see any other hands up anything else more to talk about here right I will just say I'm gather my thoughts on this none of the services or issues raised here or in the complaint implicate Town Services as far as I'm aware if over the course of the investigation that changes I would be happy to to step away from it or do anything there but I'm you
know I go back to what I said last week you know this is very serious um and we need answers to this because it impacts the town side of things so I need yeah I I'm whatever it takes to get this done I'm willing to get it done but I'm I really I'm I'm I'm really struggling to to contain my concern that when this issue
comes up and it's on the school Side Of The Ledger that the response is the town must be doing something wrong I am trying that's not what you heard I am trying my best to throw you a life preserver so let's not go there oh I don't think that's what I said though I just wanted to make sure that we were covering everything that was an open question because the community has asked that making sure that we're answering the questions being asked which is is there a question around procurement and
like I said I have no expertise to be able to close that I just don't know I don't know how procurement and that intersect I don't have that expertise then I I apologize I misunderstood you doesn't I think the wording covers you know the the process of of procurement here and what's going to be interesting is to see whether or not um the processes that uh the school has put in place are actually being followed by are actually being followed
um because it certainly strikes me and some others that it hasn't been whether it's on the operating side or on the capital side and and I I I I think this uh wording encompasses all that yeah Chaz made that point and I I that's fine I just wanted to make sure it was included that's all okay what what's the next step with the um with the uh scope of services I mean
CH Chaz you're going to put that together finalize it and uh you circulate or so if this revised version is acceptable to this group what I'd like to do is take it to the select board as part of its meeting on Tuesday it's already on the agenda um and to the school committee at their next meeting whenever it's convenient for them um with the idea that you know again we want to get this out um I would then again with this I want to talk with this
group about the right people to do the work because that's the other question the advisory committee raised um I do think that cbiz can who we initially went to to develop these copes of services with you know who are our auditing firm um you know we we want to go back to them and ask some of the questions that advisory asked about the qualifications for their uh the team uh and the ability to undertake this kind
of work on a rapid basis the good news with them is because of all the mergers they're big and they they probably have this the facilities across the divisions to provide us with those Services it may cost a little more but you know we will ask them um but I also wanted to potentially reach out to other vendors and have discussions there um and come back with a um a vendor that satisfies the concern of advisory which is is is this are these people are these not just
the vendor but the actual people on the project have do they have experience going through this um going through a Massachusetts school system or you know Massachusetts town School partnership type system um and you know so obviously I want to pick up the phone and call the firm that worked in North Andover for example I want to go into you know have a conversation with the firm that worked in Brockton although they were I think they would be significantly more expensive uh it's a big Law Firm um just to see what what the broader results are
and then you know be able to sign off on that and move forward from there so take the scope to the select board and to the school committee reach out to the potential firms get a series of quotes and resumés coordinate on the you know um perhaps with that smaller group with Paul and Andy and Bernard and an advisory rep in order to make the final
um in order to make the final uh determination on who to go with sign that and go forward Paul has it stand up so just just adding to that um chz I think that's a great idea I I would just say that um if all things are the same um I I actually think it would be great if we could use someone other than our auditor I think if the audit if the time was right timing was is better with the auditor I can see the advantages there
but since the um the outside review is going to be could potentially be critical of the auditor because some of these things could maybe should have been picked up by the auditor it might be nice ideally to have an independent po independent of our auditor if we could got it I think that's a good point Mike uh I just want to me absolutely endorse that I was going
to reserve that for a comment at the select board meeting but I really do think that it's you we're we're uh in a sense we're taking this on and taking it out of the normal hands which would be the school committee and putting it into a different context we should be doing the same thing with regard to the the uh The Firm that does the audit that is I think we should find somebody else great good
okay and um Mike put down your hand um get stuck up [Music] there okay uh I guess what are the other issues in terms of followup um Bernard this is lius I wanted to go back to a question that Mariah but I want to go back to it um the the small
working group chest can you go over to that page again yeah so I I read I reviewed the documents a little while ago and I saw that and I made a note about uh my seat or my role at the table is there any concern about me being in that check-in group I don't know I honestly think that given the scope of this focusing on the schools it might be better to have Administration on the outside of that um but again to Mariah's point to and if if
there's something that comes up then touches on the town side of it I want to step away um because I don't want to be in that position either so you know my goal here is just to facilitate this moving forward so if this is really just if it makes sense I'm happy to drop my name off here too and just have this group be the group that receives it um I just want someone I would like someone to staff it you know I'd like someone to be able to you know so maybe someone on the town side that's not me um maybe it's Melissa or it's Charlie um or you
know so that they can you know they can be the ones coordinating the zoom and you know getting the getting the the action items in place and moving them forward okay thank you for that Clarity okay so we have a process for getting the scope uh and the auditor selection uh done what about theou so theou I think comes I I so I I wanted to socialize that idea with the group but I don't think we can make real
progress on that and word smithing until we start this process right I don't want us to commit early without understanding the full scope of what it is we're dealing with I wasn't wasn't thinking of this group um word smithing but you know someone work on that based on our discussions here and and then what happens to it does it come back here I assume it does Andy and I both have their hands raised yeah okay I just asked those
questions uh Andy yeah so about theou um Chaz were were you envisioning that uh we would get the report from the Auditors and then embark on hammering out anou or that the process would begin earlier than that I think it depends on where the a what what comes out of this review um you know I think in the North Andover situation what came out fairly early on where there were issues that we could they could control for and that's why you see in that document you know this may not be the full scope of things but we've identified enough to go on so
I don't necessarily want to lock us into either path what I would say is I want us to be I I want us to be cautious and not you know at the outset say oh we think we know what the problem is so here's here's a solution and then we could be barking up the wrong tree okay but but if if if the in these meetings with the auditor as they proceed uh we we start to learn things that we feel we can trust then we might move forward already at that stage right okay thanks can I ask a question about
like process relating to um how this goes back to the constituent sub or constituent Committees of town School partnership how do you envision how do you envision or suggest or whatever for that so on this last paragraph here um what the final report will be transmitted to Bernard and Andy and they it will then go back to the constituent B so it'll go back I'm sorry I meant like this statement of work to see if any of the constituent committees oh I'm sorry have a have a have opinions
about the statement of work apologies sure so I think on you know this is on the select board's agenda for Tuesday um I put it in the miscellaneous agenda but that's able to be pulled out so if any board members have comments they can raise them there and then with the you know with the school committee's permission to put it on for the school committee um and have them you know raise any issues there similarly um I
would say I'd like the reason why I wanted this group to work through it is that I'd like it to be as close to final as possible so that I don't have a you know the language of the select board's vote is it authorizes me to complete and sign it but I really don't want material changes that I then have to feel like I got to go back to the select board and true up um so to the extent that we can make what we have here something we're confident that our that the constituent bodies will find acceptable um um that's the that's the aim of this comment this
conversation and and I see Dennis's hand is up but I'm just curious how that's going to work for advisory advisories I I have and I with I mean no disrespect to advisory but I advisories role in the mo MOA process I think can come later um at this juncture I I I really need this done and so the select board is paying for it and the school committee needs to agree to it those are the only two Rel bodies here at this point thank you for the says yes to pay school committee
says yes we agree to do this we're done we're off to the races thank you for the clarity hey Dennis um I had a question about um maybe this is a follow on to which Chaz was just was just saying um sort of given the the participation of the of the um on the ongoing basis which is the tsp the audit commit the school committee and the advisory committee um I I was wondering
whether the comprehensive report that comes at the end should go to those same bodies rather than just to the school committee and the Town School partnership so I think as a practical matter it will um I what I what I want to avoid is a situation where because someone has end stage is is listed on the end stage there's the possibility of you know here's the draft report and then I have four committees you know saying well can we have edits what about this what about that I think it's really
important to have a minimum of final clients here so that we can get this out and but also to have you know through the town School partnership that again that ability to have you know confidence that there's independent oversight over this so I think to the extent that there's concerns there um from advisory members that can be transmitted through tsp um and then at the end of the day you know um the final report going to
Andy and Bernard I think for broader dissemination I think is the right way to go here okay uh Andy you have your hand still raised yep just that we have a meeting already scheduled for next Thursday so that seems like a good time to um to take it up will the select board will have looked at it on the
Tuesday yeah right so we can we'll we'll come um and we'll have that discussion okay so we um we have a plan for finalizing the scope um and um identifying an audit firm what other follow-ups do we need from this meting those are the two that I see are if other members of the tsp have
thoughts so um what about item 2B on the agenda discussion of potential FIS 26 funding for activities to conduct additional analysis and or support implementation of school department audit findings um so I think that's just I I think that was put on there as because that was one of the asks of the of the advisory committee and I think that's something that's kind of
addressed in part through thatou that the idea that yes we're going to have broader conversations about what we're going to be doing in FY 26 what we're going to be looking at um any sort of issues whether they're you know School side shared services financial um split or what have you um those are potential issues to be addressed um in FY 26 um but think for now being able to
say we we do intend to have that movement and continued collaboration but we're not um we're kind of laser focused um on getting this out the door uh and we'll be able to turn to that once this process is in progress um I just wanted to flag that for so that advisory feels confident that the concern they raised is being heard and addressed uh similar things can be said about 2C
you that's pretty much that was that was the sort again as we were thinking about how to address this you know what came out of the discussions internally was sort of this two-tiered um process which is let's get the you know it's now we it's called the deficit review in this document because it's broader in concept than an audit you know an audit conjures a fair a fairly it conjures a certain term of art um and this is not necessarily audit uh in some ways it goes deeper um and in some ways because it's not drilling down
into the pens and pencils it does it doesn't have that connotation either um but then the [Music] um the um the remaining the kind of the second tier of that then is what would be covered in theou the midterm goals and objectives controls that need to be put in place commitments from town and advisory all of that is to come and will flow out of what the findings of this
is okay [Music] um I don't see any other hands raised anything else okay so we have our marching orders anything else we need I think if you would just vote to approve this scope of work as revised and transmit it to both the select board and the school committee okay uh I move approval of the scope of work as uh revised in this
meeting uh and transmitted to the select board and school committee uh for their next meetings uh all in favor please indicate by saying I uh Mariah noga I'm going to abstain just because we're gonna have a conversation at school committee so I will wait for that conversation Andy Lou I uh Dennis dowy I Beth Brown hi Michael Sandman hi and Paul Healey
have to vote I think so yeah I hi um and that's it so far as I can see on the screen you you need you have to vote oh I always forget well you can't see yourself on the screen yeah well no I see myself on the screen okay uh cheer both side um anything else for a discussion nothing on my end okay well
we have a lot you have a lot to do ahead of you and we have a lot of thinking to do so I just want again thank the group and I am very grateful that we're all to Dennis's point last week um this is really a alland situation I'm grateful for the cooperation of the the school team um the superintendent um and and all of you um I do think this is a really critical juncture and so the more we know the sooner we know the better so
thank you if I could just add one thing because I mean part of the reason that we've Fallen uh you know that the language has changed um you know so much and some of the approaches have changed is because the um you know advisory committee pushed fairly hard on both the language and on um the scope uh of this investigation I I just want to express my gratitude that those concerns have
been taken so seriously right thank you and we are lucky that uh North Andover went through this before us so there's somewhat of a template that we can use although let's be careful not to confuse North Andover with the peculiarities of Brookline right I think I think we're going to find different results here you know it's it looks it looks very much the same from a distance but we're every what is it's the anakaren a problem happy families are all alike um unhappy families are all
different in their own special way um that was a great way to finish happy paning at the B yeah uh okay unless there's anything else um you want to set another meeting do we need to why we we um Charlie will follow up well we'll try and set a control date two to three weeks out I think most of us are going to be seeing each other at the on the 25th for the um
for the financial plan presentation anyway um and so that you know the results of that conversation we may want to wait for that conversation to come before we reconstitute the Town School partnership so maybe in the first week of first or second week of March okay so uh there'll be nothing okay nothing on the agenda for that meeting related to this well maybe um I think I think we'll continue to have conversations about this we'll see where we are in the audit process the smaller group will have met by then um so yeah make sure that if
yeah okay um seeing nothing else I'll in the meeting thank you thank you everyone