##VIDEO ID:WznUB1OfUlA## [Music] still welcome everyone to the October 21st meeting of the Brookline policy subcommittee we have three items on the agenda today the first is our first readout of the recommendations of the climate stainability subcommittee act three of them one of them is going to read out to a different subcommittee and then we're going to move on to uh discussions of the attendance policy you're all welcome to stay I bet you guys can't wait for stay for that and then we're going to go on to the uh code of conduct review so we're we're going to stretch that first session to close to a half an hour We're going to have three groups present out from the climate sustainability task force bie do you want to put up the slide there for that so that we can all review it you also we also have some copies of it to pass it around if people want to take a look at it it doesn't have the latest ones on there the copies it's okay I'm just going to start by giving a quick context for this um the brookly climate sustainability task force um was a response to um the sustainability policy passed in October of 22 um the following May the school committee issued a call for volunteers for this task force the goal of the task force was to uh operationalize the sustainability policy they had a number of areas those areas became the actual groups of the task force those four groups there are three really concrete tasks for the task force the first was to inventory Town assets and that phase was completed around January and the second one was to issue recommendations for PSB actions um the the uh constraint on this was to make them viable they couldn't be recommendations for wild expenditures that we couldn't afford they had to be realistic they had to consider uh the assets that they had already um identified they had to um consider what was feasible for the town Brookland and then the third which is what we're into now is to start to present these recommendations so prior to the presentation of the recommendations to the school committee for their consideration or actions they're going to present them to subcommittees they're going to present them to Civil Society to Workshop them and get feedback for them so the goal for this meeting this is the first discussion of the recommendations by the way so the goal for this meeting for the next half an hour is some kind of informal discussion hi Andy so um there's no formal presentation this is a chance to Workshop ideas this is a chance to discuss the recommendations that have come out of the group's work and I want to start by thanking the groups for the work I know an immense amount of work has g into this so I'm going to stop right there and just move straight into the recommendation so the first group is the education and curriculum group they are going to present out to the curriculum subcommittee in November because their recommendations have a lot more to do with education and curriculum and our best will be presented more for the office of teach on learning so we're going to go straight to group two which is around energy buildings and outdoor spaces and I turn it over to you all awesome thank you uh so Matthew I'm here representing the group obviously I had a number of additional participants uh in this working group that were instrumental uh being able to come up with a findings and go through the process you want to go to the your next slide so in general to come up with the recommendation that you'll you'll see with next again just looking to have a discussion on uh we went through kind of an inventory of understanding what was going on at the various schools uh we did some interviews uh with the building department and others we also did some tours of the peer school and uh the new Jal school so based on lot of the discussions some of the data findings around the energy and climate performance of the buildings uh we ended up having there's going to be six of three in side three in the next five but the first one we really came into and I think it's probably one of the more important ones uh we actually go into a little bit more detail on the third side is really there's a lot of good work that's being done by the public school system uh there's been a lot of progress what we actually found the Gap was is not basically communicating that progress out to the community so with all the good work how are we doing how are we doing towards a b free and Net Zero commitment that's sustainability policy so really the first one and you can call this PA V or or whatever you want to call it it's can we as you know as the school system the town can they come together and basically report out on a consistent streamlined manner how are we performing against the expectations of the commitment so just very simple thing kpi is like what's the eui of the various schools what is the greenhouse gas s of the the school and the fif as a whole and how it goes trending um we think that would really promote awareness of of the progress being made and at the same time a lot of the data can be used by by the community by students and alike um and the various work that they were doing s just inter for a second just to respond to it something that you said a while ago Andy when this is finally presented to the school committee in December there'll also be a report that a companies have been provideed more detail so you won't be just getting these ref but you'll also get a report with digal details sorry go on perfect so that's kind the first one we think that's more of a short term you know one or two years to come up with where the kpis build the standard data processes and report that on a consistent basis recommendation number two the finding here is and talking with a lot of the folks uh in the PE School construction and the nris school construction there was for the J school school a kind of a gaff in terms of all the designed decisions didn't necessarily take into consideration potentially best practices uh for for health and other things that were then further incorporated into Pierce and the main difference between those two situations was for the peer school they had an expert basically volunteer from Harvard basically identified p a particular concern that didn't happen that Driscoll so a lot of the decisions around flooring or tiling that wasn't considered in some of the decisions so there is some PS in those particular materials so dris in Driscoll so the thought is it would be a good practice whenever you're doing a large capital expenditure have a relevant volunteer there's enough educational Institutions and organizations in this region where probably find you know somebody who would and volunteer over time making sure that you know the decisions that the town makes are the best uh best fit for the community yeah I just say I'm Jesse from school committee I was the one who reached out to Heather at Harvard but the reason it happened was this way because in town meeting there was a um a warrant article a resolution to reduce pest in the entire town everything every store every everything not had anything beest or def in it and town meeting decided that was too quick that the country's not ready Town's not ready to completely eliminate at everywhere just caused too much disruption so um I volunteered for a committee to study it in town only for a year and as part of that I ended up reaching Heather at Harvard and out of that it just happened to work at the same time that I was able to pull the left field Consulting Group in and um I called a meeting of everyone involved in peer school before school committee time I just joined and that sort of brought all the players together at the right time to make a decision that we were going to go PS free for peers which is what we're doing and I say that's perfect as an example I'm sorry I didn't spend more time setting this up I just wanted to dive straight into the group presentations I another initiating problem for this group is that a lot of the climate and sustainability initiatives in the district are individually LED it's someone's personal initiative to make something happen there's very little that systemic so a lot of these recommendations are about how do we systematize this how do we bring it into an Institutional commitment so the type of recommendations are policy HR commitments Partnerships plans Financial commitments that can institutionalize something that's what these are about okay sorry to interject that but that to me is the core of what these recommendations are about so instead of you reaching out to make that partnership happen how does this become a PSB partnership so that it's regularized okay it's also it's also um perhaps just uh timing and history meaning that pest is becoming white hot the last like two years or something but before that for other building projects you wouldn't even find architect groups who would really take it seriously now it's table Stakes if you don't have a pest person on your team who can tell you how you know how you going to for the same cost is what we're doing for Pierce get um py bu in kind of um performance but for the same price and within the same timeline um then you're not even going to you can't come to the table to to present uh as a potential Contender for placing a bid so it's it's the world moving along at the same time we were very fortunate that between jisco Pierce we were able to agre for Pierce we actually had like professional sole job was to be looking at sustainability right so how did they end up playing with uh with outside experts yeah yeah it's always St it's good to have the voice in the room um felt oh yeah PE off today or who knows what it's going to be tomorrow want make sure Perfect all right so the next two are going to be very they're going to plan each other so in talking with the building uh Department what we found was there's some good preliminary work in understanding what assets exists across the school system that are not in line with the uh with the objective to be fossil fuel free and and zero emission I fossil fuel heaters and the like what we don't see is a formalization of that plan in terms of okay let's get that fullet to assets let's make it very transparent to the entire Community even the assets here the schedule and timing and effort and cost it would take to actually execute on that and achieve the gim in that sustainability policy so this this one is really B saying can we get a formalized plan so you very transparent understand what does this look like to get to there by 2050 or whatever the the end date decided to be and then let's go to the next one the next one essentially ex a follow on all that once you have the plan there will likely be some cost associated with doing that transformation identify the funding mechanism for the grants uh incentive of like for potentially other Town resources and go ahead and seek approval so that the end of the day you have that funding baked in uh it's fully funded and you don't have to worry about kind of a stop start type of situation I know I think the one example we've heard about with the geothermal at trisco where it was off the table and then came back on the table and right had some change order some kind of cost and deficiency as a result next one here uh this one is again just an item that we heard it doesn't have to be specific to onsite Sol can probably cover money type type of projects but there's debate whether to do we' like to do onsite solar but what's the best method to do that is it is it a power purchasing agreement is it use Capital fund and own it outright um it seems like if there was some guidance guidance statement from the town or the school system Bas so you know we evaluate this is our approach to kind of streamline that decision- making when you're going to a new build and you don't to have necessar an argument over which policy which direction you want to go last one here this one kind of up a hair with group one there's some opportunities to do have some just quick wins in terms of energy reduction um plug loads are probably the basic on turning off equipment uh keeping stuff uh on energy saver mode Etc we think there could be some annual training and reminder for the education and staff at the across the schools um kind of again low cost no cost type of activities um to just bring some more Energy Efficiency those are the kind of T recommendations that we came up with thanks Matthew Chris there anything you want to add was Kristen who walked in um well I think that was a good overview I think the report will have more nuance and detail but ask it's about an hour any thoughts or questions from thee okay let let keep going and we can always come back to this group also go ahead ch um there was I think Alexander Veo was was named the um Georgia sustainability for the town and they still be doing parks and wck if they haven't found of perfect person so is she plugged into this I mean have you met with her on any kind of basis or we actually have to to meet with herly I think that would be definitely I think one of the things we meant to do is conversations with her she's more even tuned to want to do sustainability than to stay in Parks okay let's go and I don't know if I missed it because I came in late but I would like to say that the building department um Charlie has been doing amazing stuff on his own so it's really like if we can support that with the sort of policy that helps his work be more transparent because he's it's not not enough people to do all the things so I think that would be great for for the schools and also for all the community that really cares about seeing this transition to fossil fuel free and less toxic stuff in our in our schools to have that be more transparent through a school committee policy would um you know benefit the community but also um help support what that people are already doing in schools like Alexandra this prioritize is your are your first recommendations your most urgent recommendations I would say 2.1 then probably three and four move the the planning and the funding around Al at zero and then I would say our second one would run with partnership probably put in BO probably for thank you uh sure uh so one 3 4 two 34 okay reporting is okay I'm sorry to be rushing so much I I wish I had bu even more time but I'm gonna push on to the next group to food service and W group three so best if you want to move ahead to group three okay well here we are and I want to uh thank you for that recommendation we all need to meet with Alexander Veo and I can't believe we've gotten this far we haven't met with Alexander Veo but okay that will happen position so right but we no I mean we work with her all the time so my name is Dean Cody very nice to be here thank you for having us uh thank you students for being here I feel like I want to address this to them this is their future I'm part of Mother's out front as well Environmental Group and we are mothers grandmothers others and we are working hard for livable future for our children and grandchilden so I am very happy to be on this committee uh ours is a little easier I think and the energy one because we have one Department food service we have sort of you know waste reduction is really what we feed into we have a terrific um committee we have uh students luckily we have three students they're leaders in food Justice food waste reduction uh plant-based food we also have parents who are uh know about waste reduction work with the town on a lot of composting and waste production issues and then we're lucky to have our advisers so Sasha Palmer who is the director is nationally known in sustainability practices she brings a lot to the table Rebecca who's here is our new sustainability coordinator so this department has a dedicated sustainability coordinator three quar time positioned for three years in one year we have seen Monumental uh growth in sustainability practices that we would not see it's now way more systemic what what we're able to accomplish it's not volunteers like mothers out front in the cafeteria try to get kids to now the real pram so we'll move to the next slide um we probably had 2025 recommendations we came up with we're down to four and I do this not with this slide but by the next slides because I think it's easier to for us to look at the this yeah these slides have a lot of um detail for recommendation they do I was going to give four top but that's all right okay all right so we have four recommendations they're not in any order um this first recommendation is compost 100% of food B we are halfway there the reason we're halfway there is because of three or four years of volunteers and now full fully dedicated person to this so we are recommending to the school committee that um you commit to composting in the remaining five of 10 cafeteras the timeline we think it could be done in the next two years DPW is absolutely essential and we work with Alexander Veo School service Food Service does on this because they provide a lot they provide the money to haul away the food waste they provide the whole infrastructure how how to guide that the other five schools have already used successfully and they do some basic training uh what are the outcomes this will reduce trash reducing trash reduces cost it's little but it helps the Tipping fee to Red to get rid of a ton of of waste is $150 a ton of composting is $75 so you cut some of the costs in half uh last year Rebecca did the numbers and the food uh the schools um composted a little over 100 tons we project that out to be a good 200 tons by next year or the next two years when all schools are compost it reduces carbon missions a bit um we're not incinerating the food and also it connects all of our students to me this is essential kindergarten for 12th grade every single student Monday through Friday can be part of a solution and not part of the problem and get on board with not throwing their food into the trash and then many times they bring it home and they get their families also compost and then we better that's the first recommendation can I just say something about this one so we've talked about this one on the school committee before it's in the sustainability policy what's missing is um we have there's there's political will that's missing but we haven't quite made it to pushing that last to pushing to get to the end of this right so so in one sense it feels like lwh hanging Pro we were already made the we already have the we already have this as a goal in our sustainability policy but we just have to push to get the rest of the way there identify those remaining obstacles and just commit to doing this but it feels very achievable right and Dr Giller is already committed to this so we're hoping that this happens okay there just it just it seems to me there have been persistent obstacles to achieving this and it requires some extra commitment change hard from Administration okay change is hard for custodians for a lot of people hard staff ET is there a percentage of this being that's in the kitchen itself food waste in the kitchen versus food waste which is like you know they never have it can still finish their food and is a little bit so we call it back of the house front of the house so both we want 100% composting and all kitchens are comp composting now all kitchens and most of or half of the easier to do back of the house all right next is uh we would like a commitment to a food rescue plan so this is the other part of trying to reduce waste and we recommend school committee commit to implementing this plan and so with our food uh service coordinator uh sustainability coordinator uh and with School nurses and with dph dep Department of Public Health they will this year develop a approv rescue plan and then next year we hope hope to have it implemented and it's a two-part uh consists of two parts a share table where students can donate right or take uh partake of unopened prepackaged food like grou now that's already happening in several schools and then uh we also already have an existing partnership with reined food pantry so right before vacations food that's not going to get eaten that won't last a full week that gets sent off to food so that's already in place um so we hope that happens and we can move on we hope that happens within this fisal year or by next fisal year I guess implementation next this is very big very hard doable Rebecca is doing an unbelievable job with this one it's moving to all reusable food wear and dis where meaning see those trays the metal trays not throw away not every day throwing away every tray that food has served up and it also is uh Rebecca and others are working on eliminating all single use Plastics so we're we really be eliminating a lot of of uh trash and all through doing this um and luckily we have a private donor that you know about and that donor has um funded dishwashers industrial grade dishwashers in all the schools which with one more to go Baker so we can do this and I think also all of the trays were already purchased so this is happening and it's doable um and we'd like to see the remain um cafeterias and Kitchens on boarded this year um and this of course what what are the outcomes it reduces our solid waste our carbon harmful chemicals from PE fats and other things and um again it's a sustainability behavior that we'd like our children to learn and for all of us to practice ambitious one one point about this one there there we discussed there is the possibility that there might be a financial cost to this one if we were to do 100% right because the trades might be too big for Lawrence right so is that true Becca yes so when it says we're feasible maybe Lawrence doesn't participate in this one or if it does there might be an additional Financial outl but otherwise it's a policy commitment yes it's a policy commitment and um yeah there are some technical aspect that we will have to sort out on but yes it's more the commitment okay thank you yeah I was going to add in our ongoing efforts to R kosher breakfast is to students need that that will also be extra complicated in terms of reuse of the way that they're delivered to the school so I'll speak with them about what the extra cost might be but then also maybe I know what they deliver today is most likely in Boston Public Schools Sharon Etc not and private schools about a th meals a day they're probably not reusable because they're be made in one kitchen off site and then delivered to the district so if that comes to be which we're hoping is here we we I I'll knowing about what you're talking about here D now I will and then having work with Sasha on PS side anyway um I will uh recommit to make sure we can we can um address this in POS good that's good fist been talking about that yeah and um before I go with the last recommendation we do have a draft written report that you can have actually sooner rather than later if you want it's draft but it will give you more detail about all of this so the final recommendation is that uh we make this sustainability coordinator position permanent so it is funded it's been funded for one year two more years to go and then after that it is not however the food service department aims to fund the position uh with its revolving fund uh from from increased Revenue um from increased uptake meaning serving more meals and also savings from its sustainability practices such as reducing these growa away items uh so we recommend the school committee approve this position and that would start in um fiscal year 2526 school year 25 26 26 27 I think right y 2627 yes question about that my understanding of the privately funded Anonymous donor sustainability coary position that that's a town position but are you talking about something within the school department there was there also donation for a there was there was a separately funded PSD 75 FTE position within Food Services from a from a private donor this is the same donor that funded the dishwashers I think Rebecca could probably speak to more it's Rebecca's position her position right okay it's a three-year position okay and sustainability plan for it was to use if I understand correctly the revolving funds as it grows due to there just there was also right like Alexandra's position separ was a privately funded position was this was this the same donor yes Anonymous donor it's the same excuse me but it's the same can I you're suggesting that the town sustainability coordinator Alexandra's position is donor funded I don't think that's correct I believe it is correct for a few years this is a new development a new development I heard I mean what I've heard to I believe that's what they said at town meeting was was privately funded I think there was something like 750,000 something along those lines okay but that's separate from this thank you I just wasn't sure okay I just maybe a budget question you can help with this um when Dean mentioned when you mentioned about um increased revenue from each sake and savings does that money really get to stay within Food Service program in other words if there was um significant am of savings with the school district well maybe that would the school district look at that and say well that I don't know $100,000 that we saved or half a million dollars that we saved now that we're doing sustainability in um in uh in in all 10 in all 10 locations and we have the savings so that reduces our budget a little bit and we could really use that for something else outside of food services or does it does it really stay in the same playground I think revolving funds generally kind of to themselves I don't know what the what the rules are but practice just okay thanks okay thank you te um let's go on to the last uh group the uh the transportation go ahead um so we are the Brookline High School sustainability task force transportation subcommittee and these are our recommendations um so these are the members that helped work on the slideshow um my name is Marina Turin I'm a junior in SS AB BHS I'm Toby Silman Al BHS senior so m climate Justice club and uh as of last Wednesday of the bicycle advisory committee hey hey good job I'm Leila I'm a BHS I'm and I'm BHS I'm Tia and I'm also a BHS I'm here too I'm Eric Coler and a BHS teacher awesome to point out that Toby also made a short film about the work that these four groups have done and it was excellent just just one other question now it seemed to me you were all seniors for the most part so okay so there's somebody to like bring up the next group all these people disappear around you where did they go okay we have some other people who aren't here too okay thank you continuity hey okay so our first recommendation is incentivizing greener staff commuting which is a policy type of recommendation we believe that it will be shortterm about one to two years and our expected outcome is that um there will be a reduction in how many teachers drive to and from school and lower ghd emissions from teacher comps um our second recommendation is also policy and we recommend that we Implement more electric vans and buses this would be more of a medium to long-term recommendation it would take about two to five years and the expected outcome is not there would be electric vans for students with special needs but also sports teams and this will also reduce ghd our third recommendation is a policy sponsorship recommendation and we believe that there should be bicycle infrastru infrastructure advocacy um through the BAC and the t board this would be definitely a long-term recommendation five or more years and we hope that it would result in safer bike lanes and more student and staff use of bike Lanes um and lastly our fourth recommendation is a human resource investment and we would like to restrict car idling and potentially close streets around schools during school hours this would reduce ghd emissions around schools which would lead to lower rates of asthma as well as other respiratory conditions which would helped not only the environment but also the health of our STS and by HR you mean that's like a crossing guard like position or the way we're thinking it it wouldn't be it wouldn't require hiring anyone new it's just that each school already has designated drug monitors and um we would be asking to have them incorporate um the monitoring access maybe Human Resources investment isn't the best ter it doesn't mean we would like need new human resources but we would need to use some of the human resources that we already have we didn't wouldn't necessarily need to spend a lot of extra money just kind of like put up some signs make a plan Monitor and track people who are idling right now there's tons of idling going on and nobody pays any attention so get it three so that's around drop off yes and most people are not dropped off most people in Brooklyn are getting to school by U walking uh but there are a few people who kids who drive and and so it would be nice to you know have people uh making sure that their parents weren't idling when they're picking up great um these are graphs from some surveys that we conducted about current modes Uh current preferred modes of transportation for both ehhs staff and students for staff in the pie chart on the left as you can see 71% Drive which is a large majority and 12% use the MBTA while 10% walk and 6% bike and um 1% use other modes of transportation and for um students a large percentage walk but there's still but also 20% used the family vehicle which when we keep in mind that the parents would have to drive the CH the children to school and then drive back home and then do the same thing over again it does result in a significant amount of emissions um so yeah our first expanation would be incentivizing this um more sustainable Community for teachers um and we kind of have like three uh sub points that next good than oh yeah um so yeah this is basically sub sizing the the staff's uh Charley cards um yeah um but basically U subsidizing te passes would really reduce the carbon emissions because a lot of teachers as you can see on the graph there's like 53% said that they would switch from driving to using public transport if those um uh te paaths were subsidized and it's also pretty common thing um because like Boston covers 65% of their employees uh cards and um like if just in general like the the carbon emissions from the teachers is very large um like out of like I think a lot of them and so if we were to use the the T passes for um to subsidize those a lot of people would switch and if just 10% switched um which is less than we were kind of predicting we would have saved 110 tons of car misss each year um and then 20% will save 220 um so the next one would be non- driving subsidy and so for this we're thinking that um basically the the staffs currently are able to get a permit parking um to park anywhere on this like the streets off the school um and if we were to incentivize not getting this permit and like like by getting like $50 a month um there would be maybe some there would be a little bit of change of not wanting that permit parking and so less teachers would be driving the uh to schools and parking there um and also uh if like 20% of Staff did this um it would cost 1,60 uh, 160,000 a year um but it would also greatly reduce the carbon emissions and we were also thinking of paying for entire yeah it say there if we're able to entirely U we're able to entirely offset those costs by renting out existing parking infrastructure that the school to home to other to non school people yes to non school people I see so the next part of that would be repurposing this off street parking spaces um so basically the teachers were to stop parking either through the subsidized C pass or through um getting paid a little bit um by not getting the permit um there' be a lot of space uh that would be available and Brookland in Brookland like land is very valuable um so if you were to just rent this out um like we have here like uh it says that like Brook line could be paying like 200 per month or um so and that will get us like $480,000 a year um and that would like cover the cost of this um of the like permit and part and also part of the subsidizing and um it can also use for things other than just the running out parking spaces because we have these parking lots at at many schools and since that's like not just off the street we could use those to either like create a new building or like there a little ideas like affordable housing for staff um and so there could be a bunch of other things that that's used for and you get a lot of money from that while also reduce all the so our second recommendation is to um integrate more electric bands and buses so yeah for the electric bands um we recommend to switch all of our diesel fueled Vans to uh electric vans so through like special ed or field trips or through Meco we have a lot of these diesel fueled BS and so some benefits from this would be that through parking again we have like we have spaces like in between two of our buildings where we could Implement charging stations and they're more cost efficient and they'd be more accessible since most of these Vans would like only require the same charging station and like I said we already have the spaces and also it would give us a good model for how electric school buses can be done because it's definitely a tall order to get a bunch of electric school buses but fans are much more doable and like can be in like a a shorter time span so we can really see how it would affect than like the changes that could be made and that says establishes infrastructure for buses so but um also uh a good way to use these electric bands like aside from like special ed like transporting students to from school and from home could be CL sports games instead of getting all of the students to go into diesel fuel buses or Vans we can instead have them in um electric vans and that way there would be less emissions and also but and also maybe even like easier for students to orient so see these are just two of the options for expor electric band yeah there's um there's certainly a variety of federal subsidies that could be explored for for purchasing these fans thanks for cling was out for us yeah the mercedesbenz one was like just one that I went by Googling trying to see like what kind of passenger van we could use it says that it's around like $66,000 but we also have uh the model one which is a company that sells like different um yeah customizable passenger Vans and um we don't know the price for those but like you know and that mean so there's a lot of options for for school cing okay so next is electric busing paring and Diesel buses get eight miles per gallon and two so bus the two so buses run 50 miles per day which is 12.5 gallons per day for 2,275 gallons per year in 202 22.5 pounds of emissions FL gallons um is 26 tons of CO2 emissions a year and we recommend building two electric charging stations in the school parking lot and we also recommend to do like short for the short-term future we arranged the busing schedule so that one to two buses would stay in the town and travel in the town so we would not have to worry about traving stations outside the town the buses dying outside town and operating cost would be very um would Mo most likely be lower with electric buses well definitely will be lower with electric buses long term it will clearly make sense to Electrify the buses but given to given the complexity of the task and the relative size of the emission saving it seems to make more sense to focus first on emphasizing car recting for students and staff since implementing those programs would be relatively straightforward would prob and would probably cost less money up front because it's cost a lot of money right now maybe a lot type plan so yeah just before we move on I remember I mean I think at my first school community meeting last night asking this question about the budget when Transportation came up and I believe the answer was it's only may I I remember like but I'm pretty sure what they said was that we lease the buses from Leasing Company so I asked exactly your question was so why don't they just provide electric buses and the answer I believe was they're just not they don't have them in that Fleet together yeah we would right like it's s like it's again like the pest thing right when there were two companies I think you remember Carol we were talking about this two compies or something and then we were deciding which contract to switch out it for something and then we said uh then I asked about it and they said well the company we're going with doesn't have them yet but when they do then it'll just like happen right that yeah no we we we called the companies and they do not have we asked and we said do you have electric buses to lease we're for Brooklyn and they they were sort of like electric buses what's that I don't think any of these leasing companies are anywhere close to getting electric buses right someday of course it probably will happen but they they're going to have to be forced to do it um so if we want electric buses in the near term we're going to have to do it ourselves it's extremely expensive and the and the uh emission savings are like you know they're significant but they're not nearly as big as things you can do for less money in other areas so I don't know and and we we also talked to a group in Newton that is trying to do this uh and we talked to um people in Brooklyn who've worked on this uh for years and it's this is a really tough problem to crack we should do it eventually but it's just it's tough yep and then I guess one other question was um what what about teachers who are already driving EVS to work do they get a special plane to go to and park and stuff like that if they've already made the plunge to a fully electric or not hybrid because they running gas but they have a fully EV would they be part of the equation in terms of saying if you sell have to drive because they're coming in from I don't know you know the Southshore or something like that so it's not convenient to get on public transportation let's say um would they be part of this plan if they have fully decided to go e that's interesting I think we've think we've thought about that point but I think that that would still be like supported because they're obviously not like adding to the carbon emiss so I feel we could add that in give them a subsidy too why not that's right they SP all that money thank um this this recommendation RS on biking because um based on surveys we've conducted there is a large proportion of students and teachers who drive to school and um and can B but a lot of the buy is save fruit to school so we're recommending that the school committee work with work communicate with the bicycle advisory committee the transportation board to express support for bicycle infrastructure like for example there's the M currently being debated Washington Street and we if we could get the school committees expressed support for that that would be incredible and and the consequences of this obviously there's the long-term implementation of safer B GLS that can reduce emissions substantially if you have that many fewer people driving and of course having more students and staff biking to school is great for student and teacher Health yeah one thing that we are um at least hoping to add to pierce which was the original plan was um additional bicycle EV charging for Bic EV electric bicycles it wasn't really considered they talked about in the part that's underneath the current site where they're going to have parking that there are supposed to be spaces for Ev cars coming in but I had asked them to make sure they'd leave I don't know 50 or something it was zero so whatever we'll get is good or um people who bring electric bikes who may need to get a boosted during the day so when they go home from school they have enough charge to get home so they that that's the plan is to include um EV by Chargers still because I don't think drisol has on the side of they so so I don't want to cut this too much shorter but I but but I we got to wrap this one up so if you could just go through the last the last bit and then we got to move on maybe skip this SL yeah we've already gone through okay is there's one more right is there one more recommendation after this one so this slide just says like that the school committee should have a policy of endorsing the B School advisory committee's recommendations that and it has some some kind of nitty-gritty about like just routines of supporting bike infrastructure okay um and if students inst St bike rather than uh drove it would be pretty significant um uh emissions reductions okay was there a fourth recommendation on this slide yeah right we discussed okay so let let me just open it up if there are any other questions from Al the subcommittee members or anybody else for any of the groups quickly ahead so I was on the on the the team that we did the building efficiency I live in South BR line and suddenly I end up dagging my son back and for almost every day because the school bus is really bad so me electric please try to improve the service of the school buses so more people use it yeah that is a really tough one too we've had students for I I've worked with individual students for like the past I think four years on trying to improve the South Brook line buses we have had a number of meetings with the people who manage it and it's it's re it's a really hard management problem and it's and and because people have different ideas about when the buses should leave it's I'm sure you know it's really tough yes all right I want to thank you all again for all this I'm sorry to rush you at the end I'm gon to be in touch the all on another presentation opportunity which won't be so cut off but we'll be we'll have a lot more time to explore these ideas with the brook line parents organization but thanks again all right we're gonna keep going um thank you everybody thank you very much um G to ask the subcommittee we have until 6:30 do you want to go longer than that or do you want to um keep it just 630 have to meeting starts at 6:30 okay then I want to just let's get through the attend poliy and then talk a little bit about the okay thank you thank you guys for partip that so let's talk about these policies so I don't know if you had a chance to take a look but Alicia Mal of masc provided alternative alternative policies to what we had and I thought we could start by taking a look at the tenant policy um I also let me just start with with a big picture so the sorry is Sarah here here I don't think she's not on this oh um is on um I have it that we don't see non-v video participants but I change that but Suzanne is on the hi suzan um the general response I have to MC's comments were that our policies seem to be um much more detailed and operationally inclined than uh C's guidance and that the extent to which they're operational they suggest that those details be included in policy handbooks so we could take that guidance or we could not by policy handbook you mean like like building building level handbook so specifically um if you look at section two um and section three the those details MC says that they're commonly placed in in handbots and they propose the sections in red after the uh the policy so do you want to take a minute just to take a look at what they have in red I'm really curious to know so sorry the red the red is is what their that's their that's their um that's their proposed policy basically yeah some of it matches exactly which is no surprise which is saying things like uh we'll notify students families within five days of their absence which is which matches up with um section two uh4 so those those specific details are in that um what would be yeah so do I will read through this and that's helpful and thanks for getting this Stephen sure my I'm having this initial thought which is that it would be super helpful if like is none of what we have you just said some of what we have aligned with this I'd love to know like what do we have yeah so if you look for instance at 2 point um uh 2 point two and three that's really spe even for anything that says a process for that's the stuff that I think Mas is telling us is uh is not typical for our policy yeah it would be great to know like what is superu all section three here is also it doesn't have an equivalent in The masc Proposal right like where we list all the possible reasons for an excuse I think they're saying that's best left for um hand up we we don't have to do it that way we could leave it as is I'm also weary of suggesting a change that requires us to have a concurrent change Elsewhere for to get something past I kind of feel like we have this like Legacy policy manual that we can like clean up through this process but it kind of a heavy lift right like if we do it the way that they guide us to do it it'll make it'll but here in there oh sorry sorry go ahead just this sort of our section three excused absences has a Cory in the second paragraph although there's not a space but so in the red therefore students may be excused blah blah we just take a lot longer say we more things than we no we list nine things give three or four so I think we're do a more complete job plus plus I like the idea that in ours in number three we're just saying they're observing religious holiday and see as major holiday I think that's a interpretation better not so I mean this is a policy our version was already relatively streamin like it's not too different from the I think there are others that are much more overed with the the other thing is that um when the principals asked us to take a look at the attendance policy um do you recall some of their major concerns I I I noted one of one of the concerns from rle that I do that they they sent along to me um as a suggestion for clarification I sent this to the principles as well and got a response from Uncle sorry that there that there's a note there's a there's a ex there's a uh there's a what's it called a superintendent update or some more page that has a has a has some details that aren't aligned with the policy and they suggested that it it simply be aligned I thought that the main the main thing that they wanted to convey to us was that they didn't have enough tool section enforce attendance that needed to be a bigger stick yeah basically that they yes they wanted more tools for doing something or following up or so but I guess this I guess MC would say that that belongs in the handbook well I don't know uh I mean if it's some it's in an area where the principles feel like they need back up at the school committee level for whatever they need do right they talk specifically about there just need to be consequences for this days there need to be clear procedures for imposing those consequences including jeopardizing your promotion to the next read so that might be that might be beyond the scope of attendance policy uh but anyway that's the sort of help they were looking for that meeting I wish I understood more I mean it may be a sort of followup to the principles because I I I I feel like we heard a consistent message from them that this was something they were looking for more structure around more I guess as the r principle says like quantifying I guess I'd be interested in knowing kind of more about what the problem is yeah but maybe that's going too far backwards and your question Stephen is what do we think about I mean so my general wait can I just response to what Andy just said if you look at the last page of masc minimum requirements for this policy the second to last bullet does suggest that this policy should contain exactly that it says that it should contain academic consequences for absente ISM so if we did want to add details to what that stick is policy could contain that yeah so my initial comment seems wrong that it was more for the policy handbook that this policy could contain more details on what what's the consequences for excessive absentee as just so I understand we're talking about when the lead in a policy and went told we have it in a handbook right because these the last page is just for handbooks they said at the top of the note they're saying these include the following which are most appropriate for inclusion oh my gosh you're right I'm sorryy is that you know like loss of academic credit is a possible consequence of of absenteeism of chronic absenteeism just just spell that just say that and then handbooks in the handbook could say what the consequences are oh yeah for for kind of abente but it would have to be consistent across schools is that right we couldn't have one school that says something happens if you've been AB absolutely okay absolutely absolutely it has to be consistent or absolutely it should be consist know it should be yeah because if As you move from school to school the way we handle absenteeism should be the same I see why we to a different so then WHYY yeah and it doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference to me but I'm curious and but maybe it's not worth talking about but it would seem to me so that in terms of if you're talking about consequences yeah that it would need to be so sorry to reveal so much I now when the principles were saying they would take the take something for the beginning of their handbook it was code of conduct right that was what they were taking to start their handbook bie do you remember this uh Vanessa was talking about the two sections and I think the first would be standard School across all schools or vice versa and then the second would be her specific part the part it would be these standard things she wasn't clear but things that should be districtwide you know Pierce and Lincoln should both have the same attendance policy right um as an example um she wasn't sure other than to say her prior District they had two sections the district each year would kind of re um relook at the first section and give you that to you and you would look at your school specific things like we don't drop off on Elm Street we drop off on Warren Street or whatever it might be you know um and just in terms of attendance the principes did say at the last meeting that um they were looking for consequences for excessive absenteeism you know they work hard with families but they felt like without um they needed more consequences you know even the most persuasive efforts might not be successful so but that would be the same in any schol I mean any yes absolutely yeah so they're looking I mean I guess if so I understand this right when we're trying to get a message across to the parents across the district we want it in the hand book we're not sending them to the policy right beginning of the year and summer they read through and they say well this is how they're going to handle right but the open question to me is how do we get this where is it most appropriate to put something standardized for for principales to pull into their handbooks to pull in yeah so if we want to have a standard something standard yeah relating to attendance for them to pull into their handbooks but they don't want to copy be attendance policy into their handbook every year don't they just want some easy to read like newspaper it's an attendance related so so what I'm saying is we wanted an official legal lease policy but we'd also maintain a handbook content piece for the school committee for all schools and all the principles where that L I mean I guess you know school committee handbook I think been born yet so I don't think it stand school committee and content it's the what it's the content we write that explains absentee absenteeism not even say policy absenteeism and its pieces and we keep it like bety just said we keep it in a new spot that's called you know that section of the handbook that we want to make sure goes in all School handbooks we give them a piece that we've vot you know agreed upon makes sense and they included it's just I think our Central staff would do that based on what we okay what you want there be other pieces too not just ATT the one way we could do it is to sort of in the policy itself just have the general idea that you know chronic absenteeism can will lead to academic consequences um you know ask ask uh bilding leaders to develop the the particular consequences whatever and then have make the superintendent for example responsible for making sure that these are coordinated across schools so that the consequences aren't different right after building you know like Betsy was saying someone in central office could you know oversee that to make sure that that there's alignment without us having to spell it every in the policy okay get back to your question again how many different subject matters would the school committee have to provide content in for the district portion of the handle iemb at yeah I guess I'm sorry like three or four I don't get why it's more valuable have it as like a separate memo then just a policy that they can pull into a handbook I agree it's a funny and it's a you're talking about this blue comment from from NC but even more specifically the I'm sorry if I'm just not getting like the the attendance the consequence of unexcused absences is it just that the school committee shouldn't determine that but the administration should because all we're just trying to determine is where where to have it live so that there's some some boiler plate agreed upon content that could be pulled into the handbook it seems easy enough to have a policy change of policy is kind of covers some because you know we have to do the whole school committee policy review thing whereas if policy just states that we're going to have we're going to have consequences and then you know the administration building leaders can decide on those consequences and align them this would be a change from the way we've done things right if we were to do it that way but I imagine it's it might be workable I mean it depends I guess on the issue because the principles were also as like on cell phones right it sounded like they wanted us to actually say what the rules were going to be because they felt like this is an area where they needed back up for something like this it might be something that we can safely leave to you know those who are on the ground actually you know dealing with chronically absent students well on that topic do does our current policy cover it like explicitly yeah we don't have that they specifically ask for more guidance so that would definitely be if wanted to make it standardized we want to add it to our policy then they can pull from it or as Andy suggested we say that that that there will be uh AC will be consequences outlined by the administration in coordination with schools period and that that will be documented somewhere else for principal to pull into their hand boooks it just seems I mean for policies just to say that you know the superintendent will develop procedures for implementing this policy and then you know that that becomes the super exactly that idea is that like we need to have consequences Administration can right that's what says we should do right I guess I'm just not used to doing it this way so I'm adjusting what car you look no I'm just trying to follow Al together while also understanding what masc is is I think masc is saying what Andy is saying our policy should say that you know and books should spell out academic how I read this right that's my understanding and then we those would be developed we would how we I think the policy would require the administration to develop those consequences so are they not looking for us for guidance I think they are looking for guidance I don't know if they're looking up to us for guidance or simply for um for for backup right that's what I thought which you know we could be we could back them up in what they would want to do anyway rather than necessarily be giving guidance but we we should probably clarify first of all you know with central office and whether they feel able to do this kind of coordination Matt on I know he does a lot of attendance Matt are you on oh Claire CLA has hi Claire hi folks how are you good how are you um I think some of the the the larger concerns is that you know when we have students who have chronic absenteeism um it could be a first or second grader who's missed 40 days there's nothing that really we can really um use in regards to policy to substantiate um let's say an academic um retention or um when you're meeting with families for them to really have an understanding as to why it's so important for students to get to school and so um I think it's different when you get to middle and high school it's a little bit easier but I think in our I would say specifically our K through five it's really really challenging and so I would um for my perspective it seems to me that principles are really looking like Andy said it's for you to have a have their back but also to have something that that that it's very clear that there's a AC there's a potential academic um consequence Matt's there too I'm sorry that's helpful are so are you suggesting for example ex something that explicitly ties into potentially not advancing to the next grade is is it is it I'm not sure that we have to spell it out to that extent but that there are I think oftentimes when um building leaders are meeting with families there's nothing concrete that they can they can turn to um you know Matt's on as well he he can probably chime in but I mean when when these situations are happening we're really kind of employing all of our wraparound services so someone from Matt's Department Matt might be called in and you know if it's a mecro student Malcolm and his team are being called in we're doing all the things but there's still an issue around attendance school refusal to get the kids in so um at that point when it when it gets to that level we need more support so without putting you on the spot what what concrete things for example could potentially be his race yes Matt needs to be made a co-host maybe I think he's he just texted me let's see he should be able to U okay you should be able to speak now thank you go ahead Matt thank you thank you for that uh Claire yeah so I think obviously within a within a policy it's really hard to offer a consequence it's going to be meaningful for every single kiddo and so I think part of um if a policy specifically references that there could be a consequence and then gives uh principles and schools latitude to figure out what that is it's going to be helpful right just to just sort of Give an example right so if it's a kiddo that's really struggling with a mental health issue right our responses are going to look different than a student you know where where we're thinking that might be a different reason underlying that right and so I think could be helpful structurally is we were referencing that um consequences uh that um absenteeism could have consequences we might give some examples of what that could look like um but I think it would be hard to spell out exactly what all those consequences could be just is sort of um go back to what Andy offered earlier I think what KDA principles really struggle with is that in the absence of their being clear consequences we're sort of in this tough place of of understanding what are the motivations what are the things that are going to help Drive kids um towards attending to school regularly if we don't sort of feel that there could be a consequence attached to it wait so so what's your suggestion so my suggestion would be I think if we reference um that um absenteeism could result in consequences for example and we can you know sort of describe some some general consequences but maybe have a note that um consequences um sort of wording is something as though under the discretion of the principal or their design um I think something like that could structurally help support um principles do you think that's best left to school committee to determine or should school committee say that there's a range of consequences that can result and then we should refer that to the administration to determine yeah I think that could work I think where we where we would yeah I think I think that's helpful I think in the absence of making any sort in looking through the policy without any reference to potential consequence we're sort of in this this tough place I think we just have even if it's a general reference to a potential consequence I think we're in stronger strong yes I think it will really help specifically for our kindergarten first grade like kindergarten is not mandatory right and so we sometimes we have some real chronic absenteeism but it has a huge impact on them being able to transition to grade one see this makes a ton of sense to me because it really gets to where we lack expertise and Administration does to get to the fine details of where uh consequences of absenteeism have to be parsed finally yes trying to determine this in a policy by school committee doesn't seem right to me but we do at least need to do enough research by talking with building leaders and and administrators to figure out what are the range of consequences that could be useful we can reference them but that but the actual protocol for determining them that seems to me something best left to Administration corre do either of you and this would not be determinative I'm just interested for conversation um do you either of you feel comfortable giving four examples and if the answer is no that's totally fine and then my other question is I'm I'm assuming that when one gets to that point when a building leader if a building leader gets to that point and is starting to think about talk about consequence that that that they know obviously what to what it's legally what the legal limits are yeah yeah I mean I think the you know at the high school the natural consequence of absenteeism is a potential loss of credit right so that's sort of the the lack of better phrase the stick right that we sort of thinking about that that helps support it you know I don't know if there's a there's a clean um analog for that for for the middle school but if you reference you know potential that it could grades Andy I know you surfaced you know the idea of retention obviously that's not a thing that we would want to you know use liberally um we've had some very extreme circumstances where um it may have been the correct decision in partnership with with a family um but yeah I think I think a further conversation with principles would be would be helpful CLA you said it was in K through five that I find it's K through AP but specifically some of the concerns I have are for our younger grades you know and I and I think what's really challenging is you know we know we have school refusal by students but often times it could be our families our parents who having significant issues so it's not necessarily the student who's having a mental health crisis it really could be a parent and that's when we're thinking about you know what are some wraparound Services we can provide and um sometimes those Services work and sometimes we just still can't get them there but the impact is actually going to be on the child so it makes it really really challenging we need to be able to to at least turn to something you know um and say this is a policy you know we we have to get we have to get those students into school yeah my sense is that if we were able to stratify as you were saying CL like K to five then mid school then high school with maybe two or three generic kinds of consequential things you know in the lower grades it's more creativity and service provision and discussion in the Middle grades it's more like maybe grades potential retention and in the upper grades more like um like you said Mt loss of credit and advancement and you know sort of it becomes a little more serious when you're you know 9 through 12 if we had something generic like that that's something then building leaders can refer to yeah without us going I do want to offer for this um it sounds like in other policies they don't necessarily in other districts they don't necessarily spell out the things that we can excuse absences for I'll offer it's been incredibly helpful that we do have that in our policy that has given I know secretarial staff and principles way more of a structure as we conversing with families about what we can excuse and what we can't so I think that's that's kudos for us for for having that within our policy and then this probably goes without saying but you know when we're talking about attendance it's always paired with support right so obviously you know sometimes there's going to be some consequences with it but in all instances in which a kiddo struggling to attend to school we're always supporting the family and the child as well that's really help I just before you do can I just ask Betsy can can you um make sure to keep that in your notes that Matt highlighted that we should keep the uh the specific reasons forcy sorry go ahead suzan I just want to make sure sorry I want to just pigy back on that Matt and Claire and anyone um if you have any specific comments on these one through nine like if that's not exhaustive or you think there should be changes no pressure in the moment but I think they're helpful no I think they're help the thing that we that we draw on and I think what's helpful within the policy there is a place where principles can have discretion I think it's helpful to capture things that aren't outlined there I think it's also helpful in our policy that we specifically describe family vacations as being a thing that we're not able to excuse and so that that's been helpful for us go ahead suzan yeah I just want to uh agree with Claire and Matt uh I'm not sure consequences is the right word because that sounds like punishment to me I I think Matt said or Claire something about a recognition of what is going on with the student and the family and offering support uh in a way that's not necessarily punishable or punishing um all and certainly for children who are in the younger grades they are completely at the at the wom and mercy of their families whether they make it to school that there's no seven-year-old saying um you know I I want to go to school when you won't let me I mean it it I mean or the opposite it's it's really their parents getting them there or their families and that's so it's not the students fault in that case um and so I just I just was caution to think about how we use the word consequences and whether we're likening it to punishment or are we actually offering support for our students who are low attent who are having absentee challenges and problems okay I'm just GNA say one thing about I'm not necessarily or at all not my area of expertise haven't given a ton of thought um where the match just brought up and I see family vacations is under unexcused I will say um my children R to the baker school which is massively International um as many of our schools are um my spouse is an immigrant so when we want to bring our children and when lots of people want to bring their children to Brazil India Indonesia it does sometimes yeah I mean it's a choice I guess it's just a choice a choice but it can be difficult not to sometimes take that lap maybe it also ties into teaching and learning where after a few years you catch on that the last day before a vacation there's no learning it's just movies and when you need to travel really far to be with your family Carn without offer yeah I think that's a family choice and you know if if there's a a decision where you know extending a vacation results in three days you know loss of school probably not the biggest deal you know in the world where we I think in some of the more challenging situations if attend is already an issue Y and there's a choice sometimes that can that can make it a little bit bit challenging but I think there's a common sense approach to it right again bad that's gonna happen if you know playing it for the record and we've only ever done one day and my almost never otherwise absent and I and I recognize also we've definitely had friends who were just like they just go for like a month and they're just and I'm sure that's really disruptive um for the teacher when kids are gone let's um let's talk next steps for a minute so [Music] um so next week we're going to go back to mobile phone policy and I'm going to have a draft well in advance of it for you to review so we could start um uh trying to knock it into shape and there's something else on the on the docket too and I don't remember what is but I think it would be great if somebody could volunteer to take this attendance policy and make some adjustments to it along the lines of what we said um which is to um to note that Administration will I'll say I I think the the section of the very back spells it out that noting what Suzanne said it's not I think they said it well it's academic concept quences as well as supportive interventions relating to unexcused absences that there are both positive and negative uh responses that the district may have to unexcused absences just to indicate the range of um responses the district may have that uh that psv's Administration will spell out in a more detailed way um for adoption into school handbooks does that sound right to everyone I'm happy to take this one out somebody else has a attachment for it thank you I don't think I don't think it's that much of a change yeah I think I'd want to have conversations with um with administrators and with building leaders to get the full range of options can I suggest you just take a cut at it and that we'll invite them to the next oh you want to actually bring them in well why don't you just take a cut at it and then we'll ask them to respond to it or or if you want to take a set create write a draft and we can ask them to respond when when would you want this to come up again in this would come up in in December December I think that's enough time to you know consult trying to do every other month I don't want to ask them to come to a meeting necessarily that's okay that's fine too but the we're going to look at this again in two months yes um I'm happy to take a look at your draft and then I'll just reschedule the um code of conduct but can we just take five minutes to talk about I see Claire has her hand up oh go ahead CLA I I just want to double check are you looking at tardy as well because I know that's been a conversation that when you add up the amount of tardies how many absen absence absences it equals up to so if you kind of take a look at that as well might be helpful um are we looking at changing the policy related to tardiness is that what you're asking yes I was curious I have hardiness policy or it's just something that should be mentioned in this in the context of the attendance policy I would say in the context of of attendance right um thank you I guess Andy will you look into tardiness as well I think if there are sample tardiness policies on masc could probably just look at what they they reference and what I'll offer is is is we do reference it within section one that all students are expected to arrive on time so it might be a natural place to sort of build off of that okay thanks um on the code of conduct um anyone have anything to say about the masc response to our code of conduct I didn't have a chance okay to look at it okay maybe but I can maybe it's best for that we just I look at some other district and I did look at some masc stuff and my response and I did that at after I had started going through and found myself at least on page two before there was any that seemed to resemble a policy yeah we have I'm guessing that the masc is recommending something more streamlined and my reading of this if if that's the recommendation I would think that's probably going to be helpful I yeah I guess I My overall comment is if if masc think that our attendance policy was overly operational then our our code of conduct I think really freaked them out because I think my they seem I think they found our code of conduct to be um to have confused the the the policy with the protocol uh a little too much um can I ask you a question so you sent this I don't know yesterday so okay so all the blue bubbles are their comments and the red is theirs yes that's right okay thank you that's right so maybe the docket for the next meeting can just be the mobile policy and a discussion of the of the code of conduct policy um so overall those were there the gole of this code of conduct review is to bring it in line with the Brookline conduct for line contact that is to say make sure that there's no reference for instance to SRO if we don't have SRO or anything else that we don't currently have that shouldn't be in policy make sure that there's nothing that we're out of compliance with if there are statutes that are that are not referenced that we should be referencing that should be in there um that's the goal that that we're not this the goal of this isn't to make value based changes to it if you have value based changes you want to make you're welcome to suggest them but the goal of this is just to bring it into compliance the MC's overall suggestion to me seems to be um trying to shift our thinking in a pretty substantive way that that how we're handling policies like this which where my brain has been a pretty pretty significant shift so uh I guess I'm just putting it out there to this committee um I'm not sure what the best process is for handling this so for me it's not a shift because I'm new so this is the first time so that's interesting right like so and I'm interested so maybe your best for no but thank you but no but I'm interested in like when you say shift when you say from to and I think you're saying to something that doesn't include as much protocol I'm still interested for a little bit I guess in the from and I guess I mean I again I'm just being honest I started going through this and I just readline almost the first two pages which seem to have no Poli policy but we're philosophical um which is fine and nice but I'm not sure the policy that that's useful in policy or is policy so may I mean this may be too radical but I'm wondering may does it make sense for us to read the MC recommendation respond as to whether we think it's sufficient and maybe at the same time go through what we have and pull out pieces that we think are not in the masc but we want to retain just procedurally I wonder whether that might if there is a sort of agreement that we should start with masc like if we're doing Scorch the earth I I don't know that we are but if if we are then maybe just starting with what they have and if anything being additive rather than trying to cut and cut and cut but that's just a thought as I'm thinking about okay what do I do when I go home just like literally how do we approach this I guess Andy any my thought is as four people looking at the same document I don't really understand how we're going to proceed as four different people working on 60 pages of the policy to try to decide what we want to keep and what we don't want to keep I think it's insanely T if we if we uh work on it together line by line how how is this particular policy used like is it reprinted in full in in the student handbook Claire Matt do you do you know how how or if the student conduct student code of conduct is used in the schools is it reprinted uh that's a great question I know principles have done a lot of work uh in the fall around their their handbooks um I think there might be a little bit of range I I wouldn't be surprised if there is some copying and pasting I think it does provide some nice architecture for for the policy but I'm not sure exactly how every single principal has um how how they've done it yeah I would agree that there's a little bit of copying and pasting and referencing to the policy but it's not like Incorporated in fall into anybody I thought it was into something that anybody uses on a daily basis I thought this chunk was the front of the book for the C maybe we should take a look to see how well they they match up I'm looking right now and they reference it so they have a school rules section talks about the PSV code of conduct a little paragraph and then there's a link to it I thought it was a reference yeah that's what they talk about at the and the BHS is a whole other pedal of f right I guess I imagine that a student C of conduct is something that should be pasted in all of the school handbooks and should be a streamlined easy to read portion of the student hand of the school handbooks because it's should be a really important part that should be easily and quickly referenced by families it's just that this as it's written this has more to do with um telling staff how to respond or rather than telling students how they should be behaving I mean implicit is sub standards of behavior for students but you know it seems more explicitly about how how the school system and how staff react to things that happen should I do you think it would be helpful for me to ask Alisha M to come in and talk to us about the optimal purpose of a student conduct or is that just should should be asked I guess I would need to read first what the MC's is and is that in and you sent it earlier and it's embedded it's embedded okay they basically took section by section saying this section of yours is closest to this section of ours this section of yours we don't know what that is and then do and so on and then do we have a sort of single this is their recommendation no okay but is everything that they recommend embedded now in this so this this isn't a policy this is like two and a half policies here but but the red is exhaustive yes with respect to okay so so I want to read what the Yeah sorry I don't have more guidance here I'm puzzling through this myself so they have so mask has bullying prevention exactly in here exactly that's a that's a big difference I also want to just okay we're we're over on time so anyone who wants to go thank you for joining us um you should probably go to count so I'll why did I call the meeting thank you everyone for this holy satisfying policy subcommittee meeting Matt and cleric you're still there thank you and see you all next month in the internet do do I add you're welcome have a good night take care byebye thanks