Good evening. I'm Bernard Green, chair of the Brooklyn Select Board, and this is the regular meeting of the select board for January 13, 2026. First item of business is going into executive session. I move that the
select board go into executive session for the purpose of one approving executive session minutes and two discussing strategy related to real property. The real property matter is being held in executive session because an open meeting discussion of the
acquisition, lease, holding or disposition of real property may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the town. And the chair so declares an executive session therefore to be
necessary. All in favor please indicate by saying I. John Dcoy >> I. >> David Cman >> I. >> Michael >> Michael Rubenstein >> I >> and chair votes eye. Uh we will return to open session after our executive session meeting. Thank
you. >> Recording stopped. Good evening. I'm Bernard Green and this is the regular meeting of the select board for January 13, 2026. Uh let's start off with um announcements
and updates from the select board. And I'd like to start by saying to uh saying that want to introduce our new uh stage director uh Melanie Oatska um who comes to us from the town of
Southboro and uh we welcome her. She's been on the job for about a week now and uh we're very excited about uh how she can help get our organization here um organized and focused.
So next I want to remind people of the Martin Luther King Jr. Celebration Committee's annual event on MLK Day on January 19 at the Coolage Corner Theater. Our keynote speaker will be Dr.
the leeways of Brown University who will discuss the pivotable pivotal role of education in King's organizing and in the success of the civil rights movement. The program will also include two poet laurates. uh first uh
Brooklyn's port laurate Allison Adair and second very special poet laurate the uh inaugural Massachusetts poet laurate uh Reggie Gibson and many of you will know Reggie Gibson from the many years that he has participated in
uh the MLK program as well as various programs at the high school and and elsewhere here in town. As always, it will be an event that will inspire, challenge, and educate. And finally, um, you know, on Wednesday,
you may recall that masked federal agents dressed for war brutally killed Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Now, that's a far that's a town far far away from Brooklyn, but we all should be
concerned about this turn of events where our federal government has, in my opinion, declared war on American citizens. The killing of an American citizen on American soil was without just cause a conclusion based on my
viewing of the various videos of the incident with my own eyes. So I'm not going to let someone say that I should believe them and not my lying eyes. My li my eyes were very very uh perceptive.
Uh we are all angry with this act of barbarity and many of us uh will be marching in the future and marched last week um to put a stop to it to try to put a stop to it. In that context, I released
a statement titled The Shot Heard Around the Country, acknowledging that people will and should be angry and take to the streets to exercise their First Amendment rights and in my opinion, First Amendment duty
to stand up when something outrageous like this happening happens, but reminding them that our real power, our only power against the armed might of uh this administration is our peaceful nonviolence
confrontation of this evil. That's a powerful tool much more powerful than the guns uh that will be arrayed against us. And uh I just urge people not to be allow not allow themselves to be baited
into uh uh confrontations with the uh these federal um agents uh that could result in violence and a destructive result um and undermine our efforts to
to address uh what what what is a scary situation in this country. So that's my statement. If anyone would like to see my full statement, just let me know and I'll I'll email it to you. But any other comments on Michael?
>> Uh I have two short announcements. Um the first is that on December 23rd um this select board uh made a decision to uh provide public comment to the department of public utilities relating
to the GEP program which is a gas uh system replacement program. Um uh this week um we have in the attachments to the uh to the u materials for this
meeting um a series of letters from other municipalities uh including um a letter from a member of our town meeting uh uh the municipalities of Boston, Lexington, Arlington and many others um
in holding similar positions to our town. um if anybody is interested in the collective impact um of which we are participating. Uh the second announcement is that the Brookline Commission for Women uh is
excited and proud to announce its annual women of the year event to be held on Wednesday, March 11th. This event celebrates women who have shared their time, resources, minds, and souls to better the community that they live in
or they serve or to the larger community of Brooklyn. Nominations for women of the year will be accepted until February 14th at 6 pm. You can find the nomination form on the Brooklyn
Commission for Women web page on the town's website or the commission's Facebook page. And you can also contact Eileen Lee, chair of the Brooklyn Commission for Women. I want to encourage everyone to share this
information with your network um and to submit a nomination or two. Um, the Brookline Commission for Women looks forward to receiving these nominations because they remind us of the efforts put forth by all women of Brooklyn.
That's it. >> Thank you. Any other John? >> Uh, thank you very much. Uh, on the seboard, uh, we have received a number of emails. I'm assuming the other members have received them uh in addition to myself um from people in in
the community who are understandably very attuned to the situation in Iran and very concerned about it and um are you know hopeful that there will be some way that support for the people of Iran can be expressed by the people of
Brooklyn. um they they they are absolutely um right to be concerned and they have the right idea in sort of spreading the word with the select board and asking for us to think about whether there's any further expression that we
can make uh of the concern uh of people in Brooklyn for the situation in Iran. I would point out though that um you know letter writing campaigns are great up to a point, but one of the one of the downsides of them is that when a select
board member such as myself tries to respond in dialogue with people, it turns out that um that doesn't really happen. Um that you know there's sort of a filter that the reply goes to and it doesn't go to the actual person. Um, so
I I welcome people to write to the select board about the situation in Iran. I'd actually like to learn more about it from them and I'd like to see what expression we on the me as members of the select board might want to make in the future. Um, it's a situation
that's changing day day by day. It's very perilous. Um, but I just want people who have expressed concern to know that we share that concern. um even if um when we reply to letters that come to us via some sort of a campaign, sometimes those letters don't reach you.
But I I really do want to have a dialogue if we can. >> Okay, any other updates or comments? Hey, let's move on to public comment. Uh um Melanie, open up public comment for
us with a reading of the rules. >> Okay. Thank you for joining us for public comment. This is an opportunity for us to hear your perspective on the issues in Brooklyn that matter to you. Each person speaking tonight is limited to three minutes. You don't need to use the entire time, but you may if you
like. Once 15 minutes has been met, there is an opportunity at the conclusion of the select board's business for additional comments. Members of the public sometimes raise questions during public comment. We may be able to provide a quick answer to a question, but are more likely to work with staff to get a more thorough answer
and respond over email. The onscreen timer will flash orange when you have one minute remaining and red when your time is nearly up. Please conclude your remarks at that time. If you have more to say, you are welcome to send an email to board members expressing your thoughts in greater
detail. Any person person wishing wish wishing to speak must begin their comments by identifying themselves with their full name, either their Brookline precinct number or street address, and the specific topic on wish on which they wish to speak. The board encourages but
but does not require that remote users turn their video on when commenting. A first person signed up for public comment is Charlie Homer. You can join us at the presentation station and your three minutes will begin.
>> Great. Thank you very much. Thank you for the honor and opportunity to speak with you. My name is Charlie Homer. I'm a town meeting member in precinct 8 and I'm chair of the advisory council of on public health and I'm speaking on behalf of the council. My comments tonight are in strong support of a proposal from the
department of health and human services to establish two bewell vending machines that will provide essential healthpromoting products anonymously and without charge and for them to be placed outside two of our public libraries in Koolage Corner and in Brooklyn Village.
As you likely have read in your materials and will hear in far greater detail from our outstanding public health director, John Klashinsky, these vending machines will dispense nlloxxone, fentanyl, nlloxxone, fentanyl and xylene test kits, and in addition, we'll dispense safe sex kits for the
prevention of sexually transmitted infections, personal hygiene kits, and other like healthpromoting materials. Last night, the ACPH unanimously and enthusiastically voted in support of this program and urges your implementation. Our country has finally
seen a dramatic decrease in deaths due to opioids in large part due to the widespread availability of an aloxxone. And we're all well aware of the homeless population in our community and these materials can be of assistance in helping them maintain their health and well-being. This is what public health
is all about. I'd also like to emphasize that ACPH believes the selection of these libraries as a p as the preferred location is a particularly inspired choice. Libraries are safe places used by many who have few other places to go.
They serve as shelters from the cold and places to stay cool during heat waves. They have computers so people can find resources, search for jobs, and more. These are exactly where these resources should be located. Thank you for your consideration and we urge your support
for the program. Thank you. Thank you. >> Anyone else signed up? >> Nobody in person and there's nobody indicating that they're raising their hand in the waiting room. >> Okay. So, we'll close public comment and move on to our miscellaneous agenda. Um,
I'd like to take items uh 6B to 6E in omnous fashion except for item 6 C which we which we will defer until January 27th. Um, but I'd like to say something about 6C.
U, unfortunately the material in our packet for item 6C gave an unclear description of the purpose of the state housing choice grant that we will uh be receiving. Uh as a result uh many people uh expressed some concern about uh what
this grant will be used for. The grant will be used to hire a consultant to organize public engagement to understand what residents would like to see at the Fisher Hill site as as well as preparing test fits of different use options and
related costs. The concern was that the uh language in the packet suggested that there was a bias towards uh housing um with this grant program. Um the program awards grants for housing,
transportation, infrastructure and economic development. Thus, the Fischer Hill Committee with public input will evaluate municipal uses and activities, historic preservation, a shuttle service, and housing options. The committee will make
multiple recommendations to the select board and we will invaluate the recommendations and make a decision on the use of the site. Nothing is pre-ordained in this process. So, um, because of what what what I characterize
as unclear description, um, as select board member asked to take this item off the agenda for today and we will take it up on, uh, at our next meeting on January 27th. Just wanted to give people some background as why that came off.
I'd also like to point out item 6D, author, authorization to hire a clinical social worker for the Council on Aging. You know, we often hear that uh the Council on Aging gets a very small percentage of the town's budget. That's partly due to the fact, for example,
that they don't have fire trucks or heavy duty equipment or athletic fields that have to be staffed and maintained and funded. But what the Council on Aging does have is five clinical social workers, one for each day of the week.
They provide the support and services that seniors actually need. The town and its residents can be very proud that those five social workers I am told significantly exceeds the number of social workers in surrounding similar communities.
So percentage of town budget is not the relevant metric. What is relevant is providing the social workers and other similar services that seniors actually need. So with that comment of mine,
we'll move on to um um approving items 6B, 6 D, and 6E. Any other comments or questions? It looks like Michael >> I'm just wondering if we're going to
take up 6A after >> Oh, I'm sorry. The minutes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Why don't we do it after? We We usually do it before. I I miss I mis mixed um mixed up and we'll do it afterwards. But let let's get this uh voted. All in
favor please indicate by saying I. John Benoyak >> I. >> David Bowman >> I. >> Michael Rubenstein >> I. >> Chair votes I. Now back to the first item on uh m the miscellaneous agenda and that is the question of approving the meeting minutes from December 16,
2026 and last week January 6, 2000 I'm sorry December 16, 2025 and last week's minutes were January 6, 2026. Any uh corrections to those minutes? If
not, >> I think I had one trivia. All right. Yeah, I saw that. Um, if not, uh, all in favor, please indicate by saying I. John Vancoyak, >> I. >> David Pearlman, >> I. >> Michael Rubenstein, >> I. >> Chair votes I. Okay, let's move on to
our main calendar. First, uh, is boards and commissions interviews. Uh, and this, uh, we have one candidate for the Commission on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Community Relations. I'd like to start off by saying as I've said
many times before um what I want to talk about what the select board should be looking for in a candidate for public bodies in my opinion. Uh in general I think we should be looking for four things. Does the applicant have the skills and background that is necessary
and required to be successful on the public on the public body? Does the applicant have good ideas and perspectives on the work of the public body? Does the applicant bring relevant diversity to the public body to ensure that all communities and perspectives
are represented in its work on behalf of the town? And uh finally, can the applicant work effectively and respectfully with other members of the public body and with the town staff that will be working with
that body to evaluate candidates. We will gather information on these areas from the application submitted the interview and from town staff or current members of that public body. We have just one interview today. Uh
Masu Hak uh please come up to the podium uh introduce yourself and explain why you would like to be a member of the uh diversity commission. >> We'll do. Good evening gentlemen. Uh my name is Masu Hawk. I live in precinct
14. Um I have lived in Brooklyn for eight years now. I'm the mother of three children. Uh my oldest is a graduate of Brooklyn High and is here tonight. Um while she was there, she happened to be uh the managing editor for DEI for the
Cyprus. So we had a lot of uh great conversations about that. Um my professional background is that I studied and practiced law employment law for a number of years. Uh following that I moved into law school administration.
I was the director of uh private sector employment and judicial clerkships for the law school pace law and then I moved into general career counseling for students. Since I arrived in Brooklyn, I have been a very active community volunteer and that brings me to one of
the reasons why I'd like to be on the commission for DEI and community relations. Um, I have a lot of experience in this town bringing people together with different organizations. Uh, I currently serve on the Brookline
Center for Community Mental Health where I'm the strategic um development committee chair. So, we do a lot of the fundraising that provides uh money for easily accessible um and very needed mental health support in this town. Um
before that, I was on the Brooklyn High School Innovation Fund board. Uh I was there for five years and two of them I was the vice chair, one of them I was in charge of nominating and engagement. Um, and prior to that, I have done I have
done everything from I've been on the BHS school council for two years. I was on the 2023 PSB community planning team and I was the co-president um and secretary of the Hayes, which back then was the Heath school's PTO. While I was
there, I was part of a founding part of a group of parents, teachers, and administrators who formed an equity community group there called One Heath. Um, and we did uh kind of an interesting discussion on equity through reading a
book there. Um, and ultimately the reason I'm here before you all today is because I think we're at an inflection point in this country and our town with respect to the work of DEI and community
relations. And this town has been committed to that work in some form or fashion since 1970. Um, there are plenty of people in the country and in the town who don't see the work's value anymore. And that work is work that I have been doing for my
entire adult life. Um, it's as things as simple as counseling HR uh managers on how to promote a positive work environment, civility trainings, things that prevent actual discrimination from occurring are are basic tools that I
could help. I think with um in the town and moreover the work of this commission is is really twofold. It's it's fostering a sense of welcoming and belonging among everyone in Brooklyn and everyone who touches Brooklyn, but it's
also um really and truly about uplifting human and civil rights. And that's really needed now more than ever. >> Thank you. So, uh, I'd like to, um, start off by, uh, discussing your
application. You linked listening with hearing. Yes. >> Which is an interesting link, implying that passive listening is not sufficient. >> Uh, talk a little more about that in the context of what you called in your application siloing.
Yeah, I I would say that one of my observations is that particularly for people who are coming to uh local government meetings is that a lot of times we come with a perspective and an opinion of what is
right to begin with. and we're here to express the opinion but not necessarily listen to the other people in the room and come to some sort of understanding with each other. So I think it's important to listen in a way where you
put yourself in the other person or the other group or the other party's shoes and I think we need people who continue to encourage us to do that. I think we're a very diverse community. I think that's one of the reasons that my husband and I when we moved here, we
moved here from Houston, Texas, which is an extremely diverse major metropolitan city, and we wanted to live in a place that had a lot of diversity. Brooklyn really fit that bill. And one of the reasons I've gotten involved in so many different community organizations within
it is because it's been an opportunity to develop relationships with people of all different backgrounds. Unfortunately, I think the world that we live in right now can feel very scary and very fraught and people have sort of siloed themselves more, which I don't
blame anyone for, or kind of put their heads down in the sand. And I think we need to sort of step out of those siloed or comfort zones um and and really try and understand each other better.
One one other question before other select board members ask uh their questions is you what initiatives would you uh want to see the uh uh diversity commission take up that they're not taking up now? Well, I think the
diversity commission is is doing really important work in the town right now that needs new members who are actually going to come in and dedicate more time and energy and bandwidth to them. So, for instance, uh my understanding is
that there are three committees right now that are subcommittees of the commission. One is one a very active one which you for reasons you referenced earlier about current events is very important. The immigrant advancement
committee. Um we are very fortunate in Brooklyn to have the leader of that committee be an immigration lawyer who has held clinics uh free legal clinics for people on their rights. Um and u hopes to do bystander clinics. That's work that I would like to be helpful
with. There is work there's another subcommittee that is the employment subcommittee as I understand it and the office of diversity equity and inclusion led by and community relations led by Lloyd Gelano has really wanted the
commission to partner with them and their work a bit more. Again, this is my understanding and that's something that I would be I think really well suited for. It's what it's it's a committee that um as you may as I'm sure you all know
there have been disparity reports in Brooklyn about different groups access to services and programs in the town and also um there was a 2020 for report by the office that noted that unfortunately
there has been less representation um in town c committees and town government by bipac people from 2020 since 2022 was the last sort of survey that was conducted to 2024. So you know
there are things that you can do in terms of analyzing the data and suggest seeing why what are the reasons for this how do we retain you know high-erforming uh bipok professionals and um what's
going on in that whole area and so then the third um subcommittee is observations and committees um no observations and celebrations that's a subcommittee where I think that whole concept of celebr celebrating difference, everyone coming together um
and sharing information, their facilitation of sharing information in terms of how different groups are doing things like that all needs to be coordinated and supported. So in terms of the existing subcommittees, I think I could help there. The other piece I'd
really like to work on, if it's something that people feel comfortable with, is sort of eventually understanding circles or some sort of discussion circles where for instance um
I've watched a a prior interview and I know John has brought up like the contentiousness on Facebook. I would really like to see first of all I would like if it was at all possible for there to be I know we say that there are rules
in Brooklyn townwide discussion like no personal attacks and things of that nature but I would love to see if it was possible to have a three strikes sort of situation of once you've done three sort of personal attacks you need to take a
breather for a few months and I know that takes a little bit of analysis and what have you But we need to bring back some civility and uh sort of collegiality um in our interactions I feel in the
town. And I feel also that I know um I know the leaders of the Brooklyn Food Pantry, Steps for Success, a variety of different organizations that maybe we could we could bring people together, have discussions where we say these are these are the guidelines, these are the
ground rules, there will be no recording. um when people have difficulties. The reasons I reason I reference townwide discussion is when there is a really heated topic eventually if there could be a break from that and a request that we kind of
come together that those parties all kind of come together and let's talk it out. We and we make it clear that we're not going to record. We're not, you know, here to do anything other than try to understand each other's perspectives more. >> Thank you,
John. Um uh thank you so much for applying for the commission and you know I I I don't even feel like full disclosure is the right phrase to use because um I've had nothing but good experience with Mazu
through our common experience on the board of the Brooklyn Center for Community Mental Health and um uh I I've been on the board perhaps maybe a few years maybe even a decade or two longer. Uh but that's just because I got started
so much earlier. One of the changes that took place um with that um really wonderful contributing um institution in Brooklyn is that they went from calling themselves the Brooklyn Community Mental Health Center to the calling themselves the Brooklyn Center for Community Mental
Health. And I always thought that that concept of community mental health is an important one. And so with your experience and your background um h how do you see um uh DEI and also the role
of the CDEICR um as um how how can they be contributors to community mental health? >> Oh wow, that's a very interesting question. Um the center itself, the Brooklyn Center
for Community Mental Health provides a lot of social services. It doesn't. It works with the Brooklyn Housing Authority and a variety of other places to provide services in need in addition to mental health supports. Um I think
John that's something we'd have to kind of get granular about if that makes any sense. Like there's there's data out there. For instance, um in in one of the office of of DEI's reports, they
mentioned that, you know, 12% or so of people live below the poverty line in Brooklyn. And of that percentage, 50% are are are bipac people. And so when you start to analyze um how are
different groups impacted in different situations, how can we all at the Brookline Center, one thing that we've all been very clear about is that we are a compassionate, caring community. And it doesn't matter who needs the service,
we are here to provide that access to that service as much as we and to as many people as we possibly can. And and so I I will say that I think in certain circumstances people of certain first of all I think mental health right now is
an issue that that universally and is one of the reasons I've gotten involved impacts everyone younger people older people of different ethnic and cultural backgrounds what have you. But I think it's one of those areas that um there
you could do even segmented work with different populations around different things. Who knows? >> Thanks. >> Yeah, >> Michael, >> thank you and thank you very much for uh your application and uh for sharing your
experiences and thoughts with us. Um I have two questions. Um the first um is how do you incorporate a person's intent and a person's impact when judging their words and actions?
>> Okay. So, so the first thing I mean I'm going to sound very I mean Bohemian peace, love and everything else here. I have a sense, but I I I really think not to sidestep your question, which I will get to, but we need to we are living in
probably one of the most stressful, fraught times >> in modern American history. And I think we first of all need to step away a bit from the judgment and work more a little
bit at providing grace for people. >> Um that would be my first comment. I mean, judges sit in judgment and a jury sits in judgment, but for us as private citizens to be doing that to each other all the time and inferring intent,
I'm not so comfortable with that where we've gotten with that as a town. And I do think both intent and actual impact are very important. Like you know when you're a first year or second year law
student like you know that a crime is more serious if there's specific intent to commit it as opposed to you know you could it should something could be involuntary. So the intent matters, but the impact as we know with the eggshell plaintiff, you take the plaintiff as you
get them. Um, with all their flaws and if a normal person wouldn't have been as hurt by an action, but this particular plaintiff is, you have to take that into consideration, too. So I think both intent and impact matter.
I but I I think most importantly we really need to think about the scenarios in which we're judging people and do we need to be judging people for that? >> Thank you. Um the second question is um last November town meeting passed
warrant article 15 um to recognize and celebrate every month of June uh as LGBTQIA plus pride month and acknowledge um several uh days and months um in the calendar. Transgender day of visibility
on March 31st. uh International Day Against Homophobia, Bifobia, and Transphobia on May 17th. Uh June 28th as the Stonewall riots anniversary. Uh every October 11th as National Coming Out Day. Uh every month of October as
LGBTQIA plus History Month. And every November is Transgender Day of Remembrance. So, as a commissioner, how would you incorporate or propose that we best um follow that and recognize and
celebrate all of those events? >> Well, the first thing I would do a as with anything is to go to the petitioners >> um who were behind the warrant article um and ask them what is their hope? What
do they envision? Um, in with this particular Warren article, I know one of the commissioners was Kevin McKenzie. So, I would definitely contact him and say, "What have we done in the past?" And I believe what's happening right now for the in recognition are that like
there are schools, three schools do crosswalks, do painted crosswalks, and there is a pride parade. Um, is that do they want to build upon that? Were they looking for something different? How can we help facilitate that?
That's kind of my answer. >> Thank you very much. >> Yeah, >> David, >> in your introductory remarks, you ran through each of the subcommittees. I'm curious uh which not that you're assigning yourself a subcommittee
already but uh if there's uh a particular initiative or certain work that most excites you on CDEICR and what that would be. >> You know the one of the reasons I did apply was because all three of those areas are ones that I'm really
passionate about. Um, I have less expertise, I would say, in the immigrant advancement committee, but I'm very concerned about that population. So, I would be happy to be helpful, but I think I could probably have more impact
in the two remaining um subcategory subcommittees, which were the employment subcommittee and the celebrations and observations committee. So, I would I would be happy to, you
know, if if if I if selected to help lead the employment subcommittee to work on it as anybody needed and to, you know, what I I want to basically do sort of a self audit of what's happening and where I'm needed most in and all of
those areas are areas I'm really excited about. The third area that celebrations and observations is really special to Brooklyn and I think making it easier for people to be able to celebrate um things that are important to them. Let's
share the information and and and get that rolling. >> Great. Thank you. So, uh we will be selecting um among the applicants at a later meeting. Uh we have four openings on the the commission um and a lot of
applicants. So it'll be a while before we uh make a decision. >> Okay. >> Thank you for your your application and thank you for a very interesting discussion of uh your thoughts on the commission. >> All right. Thank you all. Have a good night. >> Thanks Mason.
>> Next item is um actually license renewals. Right. >> Right. the agenda changed a little bit. So, you want to sort of introduce >> We can we we can tee it up. Um I want to thank you all um for your uh patience as
we've uh worked through the uh license renewal process here. Um as you know from when we talked about this in December, this is the first year that we have done this process entirely electronically. Previously, we have done this in hybrid fashion. We've allowed folks to submit paper applications and
we've allowed folks to submit electronically. This year we really made a concerted effort starting um with Melany's predecessor Tiffany Oliva and then continuing on uh and Michelle Morrison, our licensing specialist um who is online um and continuing now with Melanie, who you can see has put her
inaugural memo into your packet. Thank you, Melanie. Um to talk a little bit about um where we stand in terms of town licenses and uh where we go from here. Um the I wouldn't say it's bad news, but the the news that's a little different than other years is that it's taking a
little longer to complete license applications this year. That is because there are two reasons. One is that applicants are unfamiliar with the system and it's taking them a little longer to get used to it. Um the second is that in some cases departments are a little unfamiliar with the system and it's taking us a little time to get
through things. Um so there are definitely issues on both sides of the equation here. Um I will say that it is at this point the departmental issues are largely sorted out. Not all of them but some of them. Um and then the third um thing is that because this is all
electronic and the process is the oversight is now better we are encountering issues that we previously did not encounter or we did not flag because of the you know more analog process that we went through. For example, we've see that there are a couple of issues with um lodging houses
um that in in the past we may not we we just may not have seen because we would accept the packet and and move forward on that. And that just means it's going to take a little longer for those places to come into compliance um because in past years, for example, we've just we've we either haven't noticed that
they were out of compliance or um you know there there was no submission on that front. And so we are working with all of those applicants to get through that process. Now, um there are three kind of categories in your packet of license to deal with. Category one is the easiest one. The ones that were not
done when you looked at this in December who are done now. Um after the public hearing, you could take an omnimous vote to approve those licenses for the rest of this calendar year through December 31st. The second group are folks who are not where they need to be with their
licenses and need a little more time. Um, and what we would recommend you do there is extend their licenses again through the middle of February. Um, we will work with them to try and get the paperwork that we need or the inspections they need taken care of. Um
and for those bodies that uh and ideally uh if there are issues that arise, we can then bring them to the licensing panel hearing in midFebruary. We can kind of troubleshoot those issues and if there are things that need to be escalated to the board, you know, intractable problems, we can then do
that at your next meeting at the end of February. The third category, the smallest category is ones where there are issues that where there's non-compliance. um either they have not submitted applications or they've failed inspections or there are things that need to be that need to be done on their
end that are not being done. Um and what we would recommend there is that this it's reallyformational on your end. We will issue what we typically issue in those circumstances which is a letter of violation. We will tell them we think you're out of compliance with the requirements of your of the licensing scheme in the town. Your hearing is set
for the licensing panel hearing date. And our goal there is to kind of push them a little harder to get into compliance with these requirements or to tell us, for example, oh, you know, we closed or um we don't we don't want to do this anymore or oh, we're sorry, we missed, you know, we missed this and we'll get through it. And then again,
the folks who we can't troubleshoot for, we will bring them in for a hearing at the licensing panel, we will hold begin holding that hearing. And if it's something that needs to be escalated to you for discipline, for example, if the license needs to be not renewed uh for whatever reason, then it will come
before you. Um so ultimately you will be the decision makers here in terms of if there are um entities that are out of compliance um that can't get back into compliance for whatever reason. Um that will come before you at the end of February. Um so those that's our
recommendation to you on this front. Um but again I want to thank all the departmental teams and the businesses for working through this first year of all electronic processes. Um it's been a learning experience. Um we've taken a lot of the feedback to heart. Um and
we're working on making this easier. Um and again the end goal of this is to make it easier and make it cleaner and to make sure that you know for in the case of some of these things where in the hybrid regime we weren't seeing some of the um the issues that now we have full transparency and full clarity onto
some of these uh matters and are able to follow up with them. So um that's where we are on this front. Um and welcome any questions or concerns on your end. >> Yeah. Before we start the hearing, any questions from the SL board? Okay. So, let's open up the public
hearing >> and after that we'll go through each one of the categories and and vote. >> Okay. Now that the chair has opened the public hearing, if there's anyone that wishes to speak on the license renewals for 2026, please raise your hand using the raise your hand feature online or
make your presence known in the room. There's nobody online raising their hand. Nobody in the room. No one's indicating their desire to speak. >> Okay. Uh let's move on to uh the the three categories. Two of which require a
vote. I assume we're not going to vote on the ones that are out of compliance. >> No, we the there we'll we'll issue the violation letters and you'll take a final determination there in February. >> Okay. So, >> excuse me. Was there a distributed list of >> Yes. Sorry. It's it's in your packet and
it's gotten it's been updated over the again as with last time. were literally getting applications in. >> It may have been a table. >> Well, I'm not sure it was. I mean, if you ought to see all of them listed in the >> Oh. Oh, I thought it's not in the the
one drive packet. >> Yeah. Sorry. It's it's in it's in the online packet >> because we we we've been updating it over the course of the day. >> Michael, I have a printed out copy if you want. >> Yes, please. >> Thank you. Okay, let's start off with the licenses
that are fully compliant. Um, I don't think we need to go through them except very briefly. Secondhand motor licenses. Uh, five, nine secondhand articles and antiques license. Um, four inholder uh
licenses. 30 lodging house licenses. um 85 alcohol uh licenses. Let's see. 85 and 34 common victual entertainment and
outdoor dining licenses. Uh any questions regarding any of those? Okay. Uh I move approval of the uh first category of licenses licenses that are substantially compliant uh with their uh
requirements. All in favor please indicate by saying I. John Vancoyak >> I. >> Uh David Pearlman >> I Rubenstein >> I. >> Chair votes I. Uh next we have the uh uh licenses that are substantially in
compliance uh but still have a few things uh to uh fix. So I move that we conditionally approve uh these licenses and that's one alcohol license, 34 common victual entertainment and outdoor
dining licenses, two food vendor licenses, uh and three lodging houses. Uh any questions or discussion of those? >> I had a question. >> Yeah, John. >> Uh you said there is one alcohol license category. >> Yep. The uh the I'm sorry, Bernard, your
your list is from earlier this afternoon. That last we we we managed to resolve that. So there are zero um >> zero. Yeah. >> Okay. So So um they should have been voted on the in in previous votes. >> Yes, we'll move them into I'm sorry. Can I take >> a zero category?
>> Two. I don't know what that is. It doesn't say it doesn't say what the establishment was. Just says >> Yeah. No. So zero pure category two. So you're you're that's you have the most recent version. I think you just said one because you said okay. >> It is it is zero. Okay. >> Okay. Sorry. >> That's okay.
>> Um Okay. Any other >> I'm >> I'm just I'm just curious like for for the for the food vendors >> um what kinds of >> some of some of this is very simple like they need to submit a workers comp certificate. Um and in the past that was
something that you know we just brought a piece of paper in and so forth and they didn't submit it online but for others it is like for example maybe you know there there maybe there was a mixup at at the departmental level and they're still waiting approval from like fire or something. Um okay it's not their fault and so for those guys we for those those
businesses we will work with them make sure that they're all in everything is taken care of by February. I guess um it would be interesting and helpful to know if there are any health issues um involved here. >> So I'm not sure that we need to go
through each one of them, but just a general sense of whether that's an issue with with some of these. >> And so the good news is in this this category, no. Um in this category two, no. There's nothing there there are no non-compliant >> businesses. It's just that they're awaiting final approval. Okay. Um then
category three, yes, there are one or two where health has said you've got to fix this problem. Um and so there we're issuing violation letters. >> Okay. Um then I move approval um conditionally of the substantially
compliant licences with outstanding items uh to be taken up again once they have uh resolved the issues that they face uh in mid se in midFebruary probably. >> Yep. Through February 25th is what we would ask.
>> Okay. So all in favor please indicate by saying I. John Vancoy >> I. >> And David Pearlman >> I. >> Michael Rubenstein >> I. Jer votes I. Okay. And finally, non-compliant licenses, which we don't have to do anything about. Just wait for them to either uh shape up or we'll ship
them out. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, next I I do just have a question. Uh in terms of these numbers by category, how does it compare to prior cycles? Is it pretty stable >> um in terms of businesses closing and
opening and so forth? Right. We're seeing this is a little bit higher in terms of closures than last year. Um I think that's the re economic reality on the ground. Um it's not I wouldn't it's it's not cause for alarm. You know it's not we're not seeing a you know a
significant uptick but it is an uptick. Um we are seeing more closure more we see more closures but we're also seeing applicants come in. We're seeing new businesses want to come into Brookline. So that's a positive as well. So, we're hopeful that, you know, although we're we're it's tough to lose some of these
businesses, some of which have been with us for a long time, um that we're hopefully going to continue to keep our, you know, vibrant commercial districts, you know, the cores going there. >> All right. Thank you. Great. Okay. Um, next item is, uh, be well. Uh,
Dr. Klinski is going to present, uh, this item to us. Just going to share the screen. I'm happy to riff while we we deal with the technology here for just a second. So, thank you all for having me tonight. Um I'm here to present uh and share our
plan for installing two be well health stations as part of project can connect and I want to recognize at the outset. There's a lot of terminology both in the memo and the presentation. So I apologize for that. We love our names in public health. Uh so be well is our coalition our wellness and substance use
prevention coalition. And project can is a project that has been ongoing for the past couple of years. That's citizens accessing uh Nlloxxone. So we've been distributing the lock zone throughout the community so that residents are prepared to respond. We've been doing trainings over the past two and a half
years. We've distributed over I want to say about a thousand uh doses of Narcan to community members and we've done trainings for over I think at this point four or 500 residents and that continues. Uh so this is a continuation of that project. So thank you all for having me tonight.
uh if you hit the slideshow. Oh, there you go. >> Okay, good. Um so what is project can connect? So like I said, this is an extension of our existing program and what we're hoping to do here is uh provide this life-saving medicine and other health resources and making them
available 247 through public health vending machines. The goal here is to reduce barriers, provide free and stigma-free resources, and promote health equity. This pilot project is funded uh both by a $25,000 RISE municipal matching grant and RISE is the
program that is managing the opioid abatement funds and programming for the state and $25,000 from Brookline's opioid abatement funds. So, why do we need this in Brooklyn? Um these stations will provide, as I've said, 247 access to critical health
resources. What we're hoping here is that we'll be meeting people where they are. Um, and I'll get a little bit more into that in a in a further slide. This is going to free up staff to focus on education and outreach instead of supply distribution. It aligns well with our CHIP goals and addresses opioid overdose
prevention proactively. Uh, and libraries are a trusted and accessible space. They've been wonderful partners for public health throughout the years during the COVID pandemic. They're one of our distribution partners. um they're spa they're near uh they're accessible and near housing and transit
and this makes them ideal locations for us. As far as items that we're planning to introduce, uh some of these items we are already sharing with the community, as I said, nlloxxone, fentanyl test strips, and xylazine test strips are products that we share now through project can.
The deter drug disposal bags was a a grant-f funded project that we introduced. We don't have uh through municipal properties, we do not have drug disposal. So, this was an opportunity for us to be able to provide that to the community. What we do now is send people to CVS locations in Brooklyn
and around uh around the region to to dispose of drugs. So, this is a way for them to do that without having to travel too far. Uh we will be partnering or or as part of this, we will also be hoping to extend sharps containers. So, right now there are sharps containers uh at
police and public health buildings and we want to introduce these uh at the vending machine locations as well if we can. We do provide when we have access to them antigen test kits. So the COVID tests that that I mentioned earlier, we've been distributing for years now. We hope to introduce those in the
vending machines. Uh personal hygiene products, uh sexual health products, uh and then seasonal items for those who are unhoused. The company that we uh are uh proposing contracting with is called Test and Go and they call their products kiosks. Uh
these are are great platforms that are focused uh around public health. They're multilingual. They uh are prepared to translate into 21 uh languages. They're ADA compliant. They include assistive devices for those who are visually
impaired. They're weatherproof. Um privacy focused. So the uh kiosks, which you can see in the bottom right of the corner, there's no glass there. It's it's a privacy screen. When a resident or a community member comes up to the kiosk, there's a uh a screen on the
right hand side there, a computer screen. It's a touch screen. It shows pictures of all the products. It provides descriptions of all the products and you can select it on the screen and it'll drop down from the vending machine. Uh the system allows for customizable data collection for the program so that
we can do some evaluation. We'll get a better understanding of what products are being used, which ones need to be replenished uh more quickly or less quickly. And then we have the option to ask some survey questions. Those are optional survey questions. So we can get some demographics. We can ask some other
uh optional questions maybe about which groups do they identify with? Are they veterans? Are they seniors? Are they youth? etc. Now, one of the the key points to tonight was was to have a discussion about and get your feedback on the locations that that we're proposing. So,
at this point, um, Darlene Johnson has done a our community health manager has done a tremendous amount of work, uh, with department staff and with community members trying to identify the key locations for the pilot project. We're proposing Kulage Corner and Brooklyn
Village public libraries. These are accessible locations. They have high to moderate foot traffic. Um, they're recognized access points. Residents are already and community members are using these locations to get services. um as Charlie Homer the chair of ACPH
mentioned earlier and they're located close to areas where vulnerable populations live. Uh I also wanted to mention we have the opportunity as part of this contract to brand the kiosks. So we'll have complete control over the what visually is presented on the boxes themselves. So
it's a great opportunity for us as we launch the Bwell Coalition to do some branding and raise awareness about the coalition's work. We'll have some messaging on there and contact info for our resource navigator that we hired this past year as well as the resource database that that we're beginning to
promote. So, really quickly, just wanted to share a little bit about what one community is doing. There are four communities that currently have kiosks. There's another one that's going to be introducing them shortly. So, Summerville was was really a model here for us. They have one
vending machine at their West End library and one at their food pantry. uh like us they're piloting. Uh I did get a chance today to talk to their prevention manager just to see how it's going. So they soft launched about two months ago and what I heard today was they've it's
been very wellreceived. They did a lot of leg work ahead of time to raise awareness about the fact that they were introducing these and um so nothing but positive feedback from the community so far in Brooklyn. And one interesting data point uh that
they did share with me was these are 247 but are they you being utilized 247 because there's no point in implementing them if we can't get people to use them when staff aren't there. Uh and about 40% of the products are being uh selected during off hours so far in in
Somerville. And then I just wanted to to finish by thanking those who have worked on this project. Uh Darlene Johnson has been a driving force. She's our community health manager. Laya Mc George is our prevention uh coalition coordinator. Cat Truisy Bossy is our public health nurse. Abby Dean runs our substance use
prevention program down at the high school. And so with that, I'm happy to to take questions. >> Okay, I'd like uh let me start. Um so this is a great program uh Dr. Kloinski.
Um but we're putting I think I may have talked to you about this. We're putting two vending machines uh for which we have funding in North Brooklyn because of foot traffic etc. The main library and Koolage Corner pretty close to each other about half a mile away. Um and I'm
concerned that we may be giving the message that the issues these mach these machines are designed to address are not relevant to South Brooklyn. Um and you know that that is something that people of South Brooklyn are some somewhat sensitive to. So I I think um
you know that's a relevant issue and maybe uh thinking of placing one of the machines at Putterham it would be more of a balancing of our resources uh for the um you know the people of of the whole towns just your thoughts on that.
>> Yeah I appreciate you raising that. That was certainly uh something that we we didn't discuss particularly Putterham Library but we did talk about the regional distribution of for the pilot project. I think ultimately um what staff were considering was again the foot traffic and being as close to where
as many of the vulnerable populations are. This is a communitywide issue for sure. Um but what we wanted to do with the pilot and the limited resources we have was really focus on where those comm the the bulk of the community members that we expect will use this are. Um what I'm happy to do, we can
certainly reassess. I'm happy to bring that that feedback back to our our staff and and see what they have to say about it. What we can also do and I should say I should have said this at the outset, what we're already doing is we're already providing Nlloxxone to the public free of charge in a lot of our
municipal buildings as well. So Potterham Library is one of I think six or seven locations. So all of our libraries, the senior center, public health building, town hall, and public safety all have sandboxes where uh residents can go and and get nlloxxone
if they're there for kind of in an emergency, but they're also there free of charge. So So that's one small piece um is that that's already accessible in South Brooklyn. But as it relates to the rest of the items that would be in that vending machine and and whether or not we place a vending machine there, happy
to take another look at it. And if if we decided to focus on North Brookline with with the pilot, the other option is to talk to the library staff and see if they'd be willing to provide some of these same materials through the library. That wouldn't be 247. So that would would be a gap, but I think that's
another opportunity as well. So, >> by the way, the one of the things I was thinking about is the uh what do you call it? Uh the drug disposal function. um you know that opioids are still problem and that that's a problem all
over the country and and all over this this town. um and you having a drug drop off in particular seems to me something that uh you know should be available to South Brooklyn and maybe that can be done maybe not 24 hours but you know
during um uh business hours at the library but I'd so urge you to think about that op that um you know that uh service as something to uh provide for South Brooklyn as well as the sharks which which are also very very
important. That's a great point. Um, and I will say, uh, for the deter bags, residents can right now come into the public health building and we give them out. Uh, and we do offer to mail them to those who can't come to the building. >> The terra bags where you put your drugs in, and it's
incapacitates. >> That's right. Yeah. So, so the bag has a material in it, you dump the the medicine in, you pour some water in, and it and it creates kind of a a substance that makes them inert, the the drugs inert. David, >> I just have a few of the uh operational
questions. So, it sounds like the upfront costs are covered, but what would be the longer term costs uh should the town decide to make this permanent rather than a pilot? >> Yes. Um so, the the long-term or or the annual costs will be in the neighborhood
of about $30,000, which is a little bit more than what we're currently uh providing from the matching from the the local match to the grant. Um, I think that's that's well within what we can absorb from the opioid abatement funds. Um,
having said that, it's a pilot. I want to see how how it it works for the community and how well they're being used. I I wouldn't want to commit to more than the year. We did look at purchasing versus leasing. Purchasing is a little bit more affordable. If the pilot's successful, I think that's something we can also look at. The
benefit of leasing is in addition to staff not having to to check on them on a regular basis and make sure that they're fully stocked, the the company is responsible for these units. So if there's any damage, they'll come out and fix anything that's wrong with them. Um so that's why we went with lease to
start, but we are, you know, continuing to assess and want to be as efficient and as effective as we can be. So we will definitely be keeping an eye on that. >> All right. relatedly and uh part of your answer I think addresses this question. What does success look like? How will it be measured? What metrics are you using?
>> That's a great question. So to from a process standpoint, we're going to be looking at when are the items being selected, what's being selected. Um and then from a a more longitudinal kind of outcome perspective, we are going to be asking some questions on the screen.
We can't do a lot because we don't want to create a barrier to use. Uh but we will also be introducing we'll have focus groups, we'll have studies that we do. Um we have our Qualrix accounts so we can do online surveys, community surveys. Um and so we'll be working with
uh some of our chip working groups and my regional epidemiologist to determine what are the key metrics. So I don't have a specific answer tonight. I'd love to say that having these will have a specific impact long term. I think it remains to be seen because we're doing
so much work across a bunch of a number of areas. the substance use prevention work we're doing in the high school, the fact that we're already introducing the lock zone to the community through other programs. It's going to be hard to drill down the the public health impact, the long-term impact, but we'll do our best
and and we'll be looking to community members with expertise and data analysis to help us figure that out. >> All right. How quickly does inventory get replenished? >> What I've been told is regularly. I don't I don't know exactly. They didn't define regularly for us. the fact that Boston, Somerville, Cambridge are all
already implementing these, my hope is that they will be doing regular routes. I'll get you a specific answer uh from the company this week when I have a chance to talk to them. >> And then one last question. Uh I noticed in one of the slides that wound care units are seasonal. I'm just wondering
why it would be seasonal. Don't people get injured year round? >> They they do. I'll have to go back and look at that one. I'm not sure uh specifically why that was was grouped there. It might have been an accident. Um, but again, I think we will be looking to the community for their input. We'll be looking to those vulnerable populations and saying, "What
do you need? When do you need it?" And and we're going to try to be dynamic about uh what we place in there and when we place it in there. I think winter hats and gloves makes sense in the winter. Um, wound care could be a year year long project or item that we we include in there. It's a good catch.
>> Um, Michael, >> um, thank you very much. Um, I certainly agree. This is a wonderful program and worthy of our support. Um, my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that we're already
supplying certain hygiene products within public restrooms throughout the town. So, some of those products presumably are, for example, in the Potterham Library restroom facilities. >> Yes. >> Um Um, and that's that's been a
relatively recent change. Do you have any sense of the impact of that change on on uh sort of the provision of those services? Is that something that's being that has been taken up and that you
expect this to extend? >> It's a great question. I don't have an answer for you tonight on that. I I know we are providing some of those materials in public restrooms and municipal buildings. I know they're they're in the public health building. I saw them tonight in town hall. Um I will look to
get you a better answer after tonight. Um as far as assessing >> right it would moving uh building on David's question just in terms of understanding if if there's a baseline of provision that we've already been um
providing. >> Yeah. >> Uh then uh then that might give us a little more insight. >> Yeah. And so I think that will be one of the types of questions that we want to ask in some of that community input we get back is where are you accessing these because it'll be the vending machines but it could also be the
sandboxes. It could also be through the project can the lock zone distribution that's happening at the public health building. Could be the public restrooms. Could be the libraries. So we'll we'll try to drill down on some of that as we move forward for sure. >> John,
I apologize if this has already been addressed. Do we take on uh any added liability um with this? >> I I want to be careful. My understanding is no, but I will look to get you a I'll drill down and get a more specific answer.
>> Okay. >> Like I said, we've already been distributing a lot of these products and and that was never raised as an issue. But let me ask that specific question. >> We can ask town council. It's my recollection, although again I don't I want to be careful about this. It's my recollection that there are specific
good Samaritan type laws around the provision of um harm reduction materials. Um >> that's that there's no liability incurred for the town >> taking the affirmative step to provide it. But I don't I don't recall that for certain. So I want town I'll ask town
council to weigh in. >> Do we um um have defibrillators in public buildings? >> We do. >> Okay. Um, do people know how to use them? >> I guess that's question. >> Yes. Uh, well,
>> we we we do training on that. Our public health nurse and and community health manager have done a tremendous amount of training on uh defibrillators, AEDs, uh, over the past couple of years. That's something we continue to to do and work on and educate the public about. They're very, having been through the training myself in the past year, very easy to
use. >> Yeah. just to add that the trainings that the health department does are really top of the line. I just want to thank the whole team at the health department. Um and I would strongly encourage folks um to just keep on keep watching social media and keep watching the announcements uh
on the town website because um it's just it's really great to have training. You know, I've had CPR training, I've had AD training, I've now, you know, I've I went to the health the we did the wheel of fortune about public health and so forth. like I'm it's uh it's just it's really great. Um and it's such a
wonderful resource that we're very lucky to have. So, >> right. Yeah. I mean, it'd be also good to just uh spread the word around a little more than than we have. >> Um >> Absolutely. Uh my public or community health manager has me doing more Tik Tok
style videos on social media. So, you will see more of me out there and I'm encouraging other staff to get involved because I think people have seen enough of me lately. But, yes, absolutely. We'll continue to spread the word. And the one thing I would add on our website, I think it's under our emergency preparedness tab, we do have a GIS map that lays out all of so it's
stop the bleed kits, it's the AEDs, it's the the sandboxes. I don't think I'm missing anything. So any of those kind of emergency medical service uh supports that we have in public buildings are all on that GIS map for for the public. >> Right. And Jonathan Simpson is just
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Council is raising his hand. >> Jonathan, go ahead. Uh I I would I would confirm what Chaz said is that I my understanding is uh the produvision of of nlloxxone is covered under and other harm reduction services is covered
under those good samaritan laws. Um that includes this the provision of supplies. So the simple fact that these would be you know vending machines rather than someone at a desk handing them out I don't think there would be a liability issue. Well, if I may ask, is that all right?
Ask a question, Jonathan. Um, uh, you know, what if some clever, you know, young person figures out how to, u,, you know, access product in a machine? Are there age restrictions on who can access um, these products from the machine?
>> That would be an operational question. I'm not sure. >> Yeah, Joe, >> I can answer that. Yeah. So, uh, we have the the kiosks themselves. you can ask for date of birth and use that as a barrier to access. Um, what I would say is as it relates to all of these
products, I want to limit barriers as much as possible. Uh, but we certainly recognize that there may be some concerns with spec specific items and so we are prepared to implement that. Other towns have implemented that as a as an opportunity to to create a barrier for those who might be too young for some of
these products. >> Um, go ahead. I'm sorry. >> No, I didn't have any other question. >> So, one of the problems that you would age age restrict would be the sexual health problems. Um, and I guess have you thought through the question of, you
know, it may be the kids who um whose parents may be very um hesitant to to allow them access to that who need it the most. I mean, I I don't know how how to how to analyze
that issue, but >> I thought a lot about that today. I I expected we would have some some discussion around that. I what I would say is I want to be respectful of that that relationship between the child and their parent caregiver. >> Um you're right there there are youth who are going to need those
resources. And so what I've seen in other communities is that they are not age restricting a lot of those materials. Uh so I think we need to think thoughtfully about how we do that and what age we select. Um, I think we, you know, from a public health perspective, strictly from a public health perspective, we need to be doing
all that we can to reduce harm where we can. And I think this is a great opportunity to do that. Youth have lots of opportunities for getting those materials outside of these vending machines. So, it's it's difficult and and I appreciate you raising it. I know people are
thinking about it. Um my my professional perspective is is we should be reducing those barriers and and allowing them access where we can and where we feel comfortable. I certainly feel comfortable doing it. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Thank you.
>> Thank you all. >> Do we need to vote on this? >> So there's no vote today. We we'll we'll bring it back to you uh on the 27th. Okay. Great. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. Yeah. Well done. Uh so Melanie, is there anyone who would
like to speak in public uh comments as under public comment uh now that the meeting's almost over? >> There's nobody online indicating that they'd like to speak and nobody >> we have one person in the audience and
she's not raising her hand yet. Okay. Uh with that I will end this meeting. Thank you everyone. All right. And it's 8 uh 8:17. Wow. We're doing pretty well. >> I I have to tell you, don't get used to it. Sorry. >> Yeah, I know.
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