and employability skills needed for future success. And so my office has had the privilege to welcome Kuwana Kelly who is a 17-year-old student at Myiramar High School who may yay. She maintains an impressive 4.4 GPA and
is now a rising senior. She is actively involved in several organizations including FCCLA in hospitality where she continues to develop her leadership and professional skills. Kiwana also serves as a vice president of both the Black Student Stud student union and the
National Honor Society through her academic achievements and extracurricular involvement. She demonstrates a strong commitment to leadership service and excellence within her school and community. And in the future, she hopes to pursue a pursue a career in nursing. So with that, she's
gonna lead us in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Good job. >> Thank you. As we begin, we reaffirm our strategic plan and goal, 100% proficiency for all students, guided by our vision, educating today's students to succeed in tomorrow's world. As an A-rated district, we remain committed to
sustaining this achievement while empowering every student to reach their highest potential. Our theme this year is believe, empower, achieve. 1 Broward. Today's special schoolboard meeting will operate in accordance with schoolboard policy 1020 and the board will review the items as advertised and presented by
the superintendent. The superintendent released a revised uh agenda with certain changes for this meeting and published it on the school district's website. The chair finds pursuant to section 120.525 Florida statutes that good cause exists for such changes and accepts the revised agenda.
Um may I have a motion and a second to close the agenda? I'll move to second. >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Rupert. All in favor of closing the agenda, say let it be known by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Any oppose say no. The agenda is now closed. We will soon hear from our
registered public speakers. We ask that decorum be maintained and civility and respect be shown during public comment. Our general counsel will will assist the chair in maintaining decorum during this period. We also want to remind our public speakers of the rules and expectations regarding the agenda public comment portion of the special school
board meeting. as well as board policy. Attorney Dri Bruno Bruno, please explain the rules of public comment. >> Thank you, Madam Chair, and good morning. Public comment is governed by school board policy 1020 and is intended to provide input on the board's duties, decisions, and the overall operation of the school district. The school board is
viewpoint neutral during public comment. Per school board policy 1020, public comment procedures, speakers must state their name, city of residence, and whether they are lobbyists before beginning their remarks. All public remarks must be directed to the board as a whole. The board will not respond to
or engage with speakers during public comment and no action will be taken unless the item is on the agenda. During the agenda speaking time, speakers will have up to three minutes per item and up to one minute on motions or amendments per meeting with an additional one minute if a motion is introduced. The
chair may adjust the order of speakers and recognizing speakers and enforce all limits. A visible timer will be used and the microphone will be turned off when the time expires. Speakers must limit their comments to matters related to schoolboard business and or agenda items
and they must be relevant to the specific item. Comments may not address matters that are pending litigation, quasi judicial proceedings, active investigation or administrative hearings. Solicitation and lobbying activities must comply with applicable
schoolboard policy. Abusive language defined as profanity, threatening or name calling is prohibited. In addition, clapping, hissing, booing, shouting, yelling, or other disruptions from the audience are not allowed. Speakers who fail to follow proper decorum in the chambers will be ruled out of order by
the board chair. Failure to comply may result in the microphone being turned off or a press recess, sorry, recess being called. After a warning, the chair may also direct removal from the meeting and the building by law enforcement or the sergeant-at-arms. Madam Chair, >> thank you. Attorney Dri Bruno Bruno, the
board wants to hear from you, and we appreciate your cooperation in maintaining a respectful, orderly, and productive meeting environment. When it is time for public speakers, I will call five speakers at a time. When you hear your name, please line up behind the podium with only one person at the podium at a time. Please follow the
staff's directions when lining up and approaching the podium. When your when your time is up, please yield the mic and exit the podium and follow staff's direction. I now turn it over to Dr. Heeper to lead us in our superintendent's scholarship presentation. >> Madam Chair, point of order. Before we
turn the floor to the superintendent, uh after consulting with general counsel, um I'd have a I'd like a mo to bring a motion before my colleagues this morning. Uh specifically, we have a time certain item number 56 in which this board is going to vote on school board
policy. We also uh have a late addition, if you will, item number 65, which is uh my requested motion to pause the implementation of the magic school AI program. Um I would move at this time
to have the uh item number 65 held directly after agenda item 56 as I imagine we are going to have a large contingent of folks that are going to want to speak on 56. And I certainly want to give those folks an opportunity
to also speak on 65 as it is a matter of great public importance and I don't want to have to have those folks wait till the very end of the meeting. So my motion would be to move up agenda item 65 to have that uh heard by the board directly after 56.
>> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Rivera, seconded by Miss Rupert. Uh I believe we have to take public comment on the motion. >> Yes ma'am. We also have a check presentation. >> Yes. If there's any public comments, >> public speakers.
>> Yeah. >> Please approach the podium. >> Good morning, Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. On my time, and it's summer. I support the motion. Um, there's 65 items on this agenda. a
special meeting agenda and most of us are here to speak to the public hearing items. So that would be a great help having item 65 moved. So I totally support the motion. >> You want to speak? >> Yeah. >> Time Anna Fusco Bower Teachers Union
President uh definitely support the motion. I hope that you guys are taking a position to take your personal feelings out of everything when you're sitting up at this dis
and really looking at what this motion is about and what needs to get done for the good of the order of the two million residents that reside in Broward County that every single one of you
except for the one that made the motion that is appointed have said this is what I run for. I'm the difference. I'm going to do what's best for the students and the community. What I need
you to do is show it and support the motion. Keep reminding them why they've been Zyra climbs lentious. I support the motion. Um, I think it's important that um, you guys remember that you represent
other people. You're not here just representing yourselves. And the community is speaking. Even though it's the summer, it's hot. I don't want to really be here, but we're here. I'm over here. I'm over here. Everyone, hello. Hello.
Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Any other speakers? Okay. For discussion on the motion, Miss Hixon. Thank you. I I don't mind doing that. I just want to point out that there's also some other time certain 10:00 and 11:00 for
proclamation. So, we would have to pause and and go to those because people came specifically for that as well. Thank you. Any other speakers? Yeah. So, I just want to go through the agenda that I believe was sent out. Um,
and usually, you know, when board members request time certain or staff request time certain, uh, they do that ahead of time and I'm happy to oblige. Um, but there is a a time certain at um 9:00 a.m. And
I believe we have students waiting in the audience right now for their scholarships. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Um, so, uh, we were going to do the time item 56 at 9. At 10:00, we have, uh, a time certain that was
requested. So, if we hear, um, item 56 and then 65, we would have to probably, um, pause those items and go to the proclamation. So, just so everyone is aware of how that will go. Any other board comment?
All right. All in favor of the motion say I. I. >> All oppose say no. >> Motion passes unanimously. I would now love to turn it over uh to Dr. Heepern for our superintendent scholarship presentation honoring our
students. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, school board members, students, families, staff, and community members. Today, it's my honor to recognize a special group of students whose hard work, dedication, commitment to their future have earned them an extraordinary opportunity. Broward County Public
Schools is proud to partner with Florida Prepaid College Savings Plan to educate families about the importance of planning for higher education and the options available to make college more affordable and attainable. Through this partnership, our marketing and strategic communications department worked alongside Florida Prepaid to raise
awareness for college savings opportunities for Broward families. At the same time, our school counseling department collaborated with schools across the district to identify deserving recipients of a scholarships. As a result of of this this successful collaboration, four Broward County
Public School students were selected to receive the superintendent scholarship funded by the Florida Prepaid College Savings Plan. Each scholarship is valued at approximately $8,000 and provides two years of prepaid college tuition, helping these students take an important step toward achieving their educational
goals and future aspirations. This morning, we are honored to recognize two of those recipients. The remaining two students will be recognized at our next school board meeting. At this time, I'm pleased to introduce our first scholarship recipient, Jada Telis from South Broward High School.
Jada, please come forward to receive your superintendent scholarship funded by Florida prepaid college savings plan and valued at approximately $8,000. >> Jada, congratulations on this outstanding achievement. We're proud of your hard work and dedication and we
look forward to seeing all that you accomplish in the years ahead. Our second recipient, Samuel Cherrera from Pmpo Beach High School. Sam, please come forward to receive your superintendent scholarship funded by Florida Prep Paid College Savings Plan
and valued at approximately $8,000. Please join us uh join me in congratulating both Jada and Samuel on their remarkable accomplishment. I would also like to extend our sincere appreciation to the Florida Prepaid College Savings Plan for their gen generous support of the Superintendent
Scholarship and for their continued investment in the future of Broward County students. Together, we're helping make the dream of higher education a reality for more families in our community. Finally, thank you to the parents, guardians, teachers, counselors, principles, and school staff who have encouraged and supported these
students throughout their educational journey. Congratulations once again to our scholarship recipients. Let's give Jada and Sam another well-deserved round of applause. >> Thank you, Dr. Hepern. Do any of my colleagues have any uh remarks on the
presentation? >> Just congratulations to both of you and uh thank you to the superintendent for for hosting this wonderful um accolade. Miss Rupert, >> same thing. I won't take up extra minutes. So, anyone else?
All right. Uh, we will >> briefly recess the meeting for a photo uh with the superintendent and scholarship winners. Thank you and congratulations again. I will g go now to Miss Bulman with a moment of silence.
Thank you, chair. Uh this moment of silence is for Mr. Kenneth Bankston. Um Mr. Bankston faithfully served the students and families of McNichol Middle School in many roles including behavior specialist, support facilitator, and
social studies teacher. Always leading with compassion, encouragement, and deep commitment to children. He was a gentle giant with a heart to match. To the students, he was more than an educator. His warm smile and caring spirit made everyone feel valued and supported. He
also dedicated many years to mentoring young men through the 5,000 role models program, leaving a lasting impact that extends far beyond the classroom. Mr. Bankston's legacy of kindness and service will never be forgotten. He will rem forever remain a part of the fabric
of McNickel Middle School. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um, could I get a motion and a second on item 32, please? So moved. >> Moved by Miss Rupert, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 32.
>> No comment. >> Board member comment on item 32. Seeing none, all in favor of item 32 say I. >> All oppose say no. >> Item passes unanimously. To help make today's special schoolboard meeting more productive and efficient, given that we
have 65 items on the agenda, I will group certain related items for consideration together. First are the employment agreements. Can I have a motion and a second to bring floor uh to the floor items 8, 9, 10, and 45? >> Second. Moved by Miss Rupert, uh seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment
on items 8, 9, 10, or 45. >> No comments. >> Um is there any board discussion on these items? All in favor of 8, 9, 10, and 45. Oh, >> I'm sorry. We do have public comment.
>> All right. All in favor of 8, 9, 10, and 45 say I. >> I. All oppose say no. >> Items pass unanimously. The next uh will be the charter school items. Can I have a motion and a second to bring to the floor items 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16?
>> Second. Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Bulman. Is there any public comment on items 12, 13, 14, 15, or 16? >> No comments. >> All right. All in favor of items 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16, say I. >> I. >> I.
>> Uh, I'm sorry. Did I take board discussion on those items? I don't think I did. Was there any board discussion on those items? So, all in favor of those items, say I. >> I. >> All oppose, say no. >> Items pass unanimously. Next, we will take the university agreements. Can I
have a motion and a second on items 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, and 39? >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Hixon, seconded by Miss Bulman. Is there any public comment on
items 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, or 39? >> No comment. >> Any board discussion on these items? Miss Hixon, >> I just um want to thank all of the colleges that are participating in this. Hopefully we we build a bench of of
teachers and u educators in our system so that we can hire them later and just appreciate the partnership. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. All in favor of items 17, 19,
20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, or 30 and 39 say I. I. >> All oppose say no. Items pass unanimously. >> Um, following public comment and board discussion, we will proceed with voting on each item pulled for separate consideration. May I have a motion and a
second on item one, appointments, title changes, and reappointments. >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Thompson. Is there public comment on item one? >> One public speaker, Delvin King. Welcome to the podium. Okay. U Delvin King, which item is this?
Um >> we are in item one. >> Item one. Okay. Um so the appointments um Delvin King PMP beach. The issue um that I'm having with a lot of these appointments and and also which H2 is in
the report. It needs to say an effective date. The date that they will start their positions and the date they will resign. from their former positions. We need an understanding. The general public needs an understanding to know when these principles, assistant
principles, and whatever positions they're getting hired for or appointed to. We need to know the date that it starts because we're going to run into a situation where right now I I would assume Blanchila High School doesn't have a active
principal. So we need to know who is and and then in the interim who is going to be that leader because y'all just took leaders all from Blanchila High School shifted them all over the county. So we need to understand the effective date. It needs to say this in the in the uh in
the backup and in the information when you um give this information um to the community. Um it it's just total confusion. um you approve people at the last board um last board meeting and they don't start until the first. People
have resigned in the last board meeting. We don't know when they resigned. We don't know when their last day was. Um you got people still working for the district. Like Wanda Paul, she resigned and she's still working for the district. Her name didn't come up for the school board um at a school board
meeting yet. So we're just not we don't know where we are in the process. So, if we can please make it plain, make it understandable so we know when these people are no longer working, we know um the transition period. And um pretty much for right now, that's uh all of my
concern. Oh, one last thing is um it needs to the meeting is all over the place. I'm I'm out here trying to listen. Uh I didn't even know y'all was on H1. uh we need something out here or uh something on the screen that say the
next upcoming item is this that and the third so we know where we are in the agenda. You was calling things um so quickly um people couldn't even run up here to go speak on the items when you call general um public speaking. So, we got to make it where we know what's
going on, no matter if we're online, no matter if we're in the hallway, and you're doing all the student awards and everything, but knock these appointments out first so that they can clear out of the building and we can handle business. You should have handled this first so
these people can get out of the seats cuz they're here just for one thing. Let's get get them out of the way so we can handle business because they're going to go on to their pos their schools and we need to handle business and we need to be in here to handle the business. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Any other public speakers? >> No, Madam Chair. >> Um is there any board debate on item one? Miss Hixon. >> Thank you. Um, I just want to point something out and actually staff fixed some of them, but on the page that says
appointments, title changes, and salary adjustments. Um, there are a couple of people u where it says current salary indicated if changing and it says NA and then recommended salary indicate if
changing. So, if it says NA that the current salary is not changing, um it shouldn't there shouldn't be any change to the recommended salary, but it says pay protected. So, they fixed a couple of them, but there's two that are still
not in pay protected indicates that they're taking a pay cut um at some point after six months. So, can you explain? And there's two of them still left, Michael Scott and Marissa Celo
that both still have NA as the current salary indicating if changing and then still says pay protected because if their pay is not changing, I'm not sure why it says pay protected. >> Thank you for the question. And the pay is not changing um for those in for
those employees their pay is pretty much um protected for 6 months. I mean dur during that time we'll um make a decision on what that adjustment will be and and update that. But if it's pay protected, it looks like they uh probably missed two in the revision to
put NA, but if it's uh still says pay protected just means that their pay is protected for 6 months as well as the NAS um their pay is protected for six months until we make a decision of what that updated. But if they're moving from the this was the issue that I had
brought up. If they're moving from the same it's a lateral change their pay isn't going to change. um that >> or if it will then it should be noted in there and then as I mentioned to you
before you could put the pay protected and say you know changes in six months or something but I I just people don't know what pay protected means and if I was looking at that and noticing that I'm going from one to the other and it
says pay protected I would be asking questions. So I just don't think it's clear enough on here. I appreciate that they left the NAS for the other ones because they were lateral moves, but they missed two of them and I just think it should be more clear as this comes to
us in the future. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Seivera. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, I do want to inquire about the speaker's comments. Is Is there a reason, Mr. superintendent that we don't have start and end dates um on these Excel
spreadsheets we get for these folks. >> Um let's see. Dr. Lozano's um you can repeat that question that for the most part all of these positions start on July 1. Um you heard the the question, Dr. Lozano, >> can you repeat it?
>> Sure. I was just I was just following up on the on the concerns from the public speaker. the start and end dates are not um on the Excel spreadsheet that we're given in this. Is there a reason for that? Can we just add another column? >> Uh we can add that. But all of these are
effective July 1, the start of the next fiscal year, FY27. >> Every single one of them. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Thank you for the clarification. >> Thank you, Mr. Rupert. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, I hope that the direct
appointments for AP and principal specifically who are moving from another school that they while they're at that school showed major learning gains and increase the school that should at least be one letter grade
or more. Um, I believe that information um should be provided so we as board members can analyze for moving forward to see um because it's always a surprise to the public and especially this time around when we um did not include
community involvement in most of these direct points. Um, so I think um the public should have the opportunity as well as board members and anybody else who wants to look at it to see that they're getting a stellar principal or
AP moving from a school to B school and why they're doing it. Those are very basic questions that um I know people ask me and I can't just be the only person that people ask. How come we're getting so and such and I would like to
provide the answer as we're getting so and such because they are um a mover and a shaker and they've done really well at their past school. Um so since these are direct deports um Dr. Heeper and Dr. Fulton, can you share this assertion to
help me understand the effectiveness of stopping community school voices usually provided for these positions? And the assertion that um these people really were moved because they were the very best to move into the next school. And
and I asked because Valanche and Coconut Creek High School, we had very abrupt um principles leaving and those schools tremendous growth in both of them. So what the criteria was for the other principles that are going to be
appointed. So >> thank you Miss Rert. That's noted. we'll come up with a a plan to uh as far as movements to make you a breast of um some of the merits that um the candidates that were moved to the other schools the reason why um they're the
best fit. >> Um great and uh it would be helpful for me and I'm not anticipating since it was such an extraordinary situation. I'm not um thinking that this would happen a tremendous amount going forth because as
one board member I truly um feel that the community needs that voice in all areas and all decisions so they can feel part of the conversation and welcome their new AP and principles. So, I I appreciate that and look forward to the
information um to be upfront and this year while we take a breath hopefully and return back to that community involvement when it comes to the leaders of their school. So, thank you. Thank you. Any other board discussion?
All in favor of item one say I. >> All oppose say no. >> Item passes unanimously. Um, congratulations to our new appointees. >> We will briefly recess the Oh, Dr. Hein, did you have any remarks?
>> Yes, absolutely. Um, just want to say, uh, congratulations to new team members. Uh, got a couple of assistant principles, uh, campus, uh, security managers, and also two principles, uh, one for high school, one for middle school. I'm going to ask them to come up
and um say a couple of comments. Uh keep it short. First, uh principal, principal of Myar High School, Chené Ro, come on up. We're going to miss her. Thank you. Thank you so much. Good morning, Superintendent Dr. Heburn,
Deputy Superintendent Dr. Fulton and the school board of Broward County. To God be the glory. Great things he has done. >> My journey as an educator began at Myar High School in 2010.
Myar is where I fell in love with caring for children and the possibilities that education provides to ultimately help them secure a brighter future. Although my time here was brief, the opportunity to return as principal is truly full
circle and I am deeply honored to lead the school community. The leader that I am today is a result of the people who poured into me along the way. Thank you to my late grandmother, my mother, my son, my family, my Ber family, and my
friends for their unwavering love and support. To the many many leaders who have invested in my growth, thank you for the seeds you planted. Your lessons, guidance, and belief in me have shaped the leader that I am today. To my
Coconut Creek family, my William Dandy family, my Addex family, and my Tiger family at the A-rated historic Blanchi High School. Thank you for preparing me for this moment. The lessons I have
learned, the relationships I have built, and the memories we have shared will forever remain with me as I continue this journey of service and leadership at Miramar High School. I look forward to working alongside staff, students,
families, and the community to ensure that every student is known, challenged, and prepared for success. I am truly grateful for the opportunity to lead the premier experience at Myiar High School.
Every student, every opportunity, every day. Thank you. >> Thank you, Principal Ro. Um, next up we have PR, new principal, Sunrise Middle School and Alisa Austin. Come on down. Good morning, Superintendent Heburn,
members of the school board, district leadership, family, friends, and most importantly, my Falcon family. Let me introduce myself. My name is Anaisa Austin, and I am the proud principal of Sunrise Middle School. >> Yeah. Woo.
First and foremost, I would love to thank God for his grace and his guidance. Great is his faithfulness. In this moment, I owe it to him. Sunrise has been my home for the past 12 years. It has been a privilege to serve our students, support our educators, and
grow alongside this incredible community. To now lead the school that has shaped me as an educator and a leader is a privilege. I would like to express my sincere gratitude to Superintendent Heburn, the school district, and to leadership development.
Thank you for your guidance, support, and investment in developing leaders. I'm also deeply grateful to my many, many mentors, too many to list, my colleagues, my friends who have become family, whose encouragement, wisdom, and
belief in me have shaped my journey and helped me and helped to make this moment possible. To my Falcon family, thank you for your dedication, collaboration, and unwavering support, not only to me, but
to our student students. It has been a privilege to work alongside you, and I look forward to continuing that work together in this new capacity. To my family, thank you for your unconditional love and support. To my parents, thank you
for your sacrifices. Your belief in me is the foundation of this journey. To the students, staff, parents, and community of Sunrise Middle School, thank you for your trust. Thank you for your support. I am committed to ensuring that every student is
challenged and supported, ensuring that I empower each of them to reach their fullest potential. As we move forward together, my commitment remains the same. Now that we're a school, we will uphold that A standard and we will have an A commitment. Thank you for this incredible honor. I am proud to serve
the Sunrise community and I look forward to all that we will accomplish together. >> Again, thank you to all congratulations to all of our new appointees. Um and chair, I turn it back over to you. >> Thank you. We will briefly recess for a photo.
Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Now you get back. Thank you and congratulations to our new appointees again. Um, could I get a motion in a second on item three? So, move
>> second. Moved by Miss Hixon, seconded by Miss Thompson. Public comment on item three. No comment. >> Um board member discussion on item three. >> I don't think I pulled that one. >> Seeing none, all in favor of item three say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes
unanimously. Could I get a motion in a second on item six? >> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item six. >> No comment. >> Uh board member discussion. Seeing none. All in favor of item six say I.
>> I. All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. >> Where's some of us? We have enough to vote. >> Could I get a motion and a second on item eight? >> So moved. >> Uh moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss
Thompson. Public comment >> I believe eight. >> Oh yeah, you're right. 8 nine. We already did 8 9 10. Could I get a motion to second on item 11? Please >> second. Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 11. >> No comment.
>> Board member discussion on item 11. >> Seeing none, all in favor of item 11 say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Um item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item number 18?
Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 18. One public speaker, Delvin King. >> Could Delvin King approach the podium, please? >> Delvin King, you may now proceed to the podium. >> They're going to grab him. It's pretty
pretty noisy in the pre-unction room right now. Um, Dr. Lozano, can you um grab him >> with what? Yeah, we did. >> No, we did not do 26
>> for your Oh, >> we're ready. >> Welcome. Yes. >> Okay. Um, Delvin King, Pomp Beach. Okay. So, um, when it comes down to the, um,
resignations, uh, I think this is H2, correct? This is H H2. Okay. Um, so when it comes down to this item, um, we need to do the same thing on with this one. We need to have effective dates. The date that they
were, um, they either resigned, their last day of work. We need to have that on here. Also, um, when I looked at this, I seen an employee on there, um, for something with attendance or not coming to work and things of that
nature. It behooves me that we would terminate someone for not coming to work or being tardy. And majority of the school board members are never here. And we have an
issue with that. We can't demand teachers, security, bus drivers, and people to be here and be disciplined for not being here when schoolboard members are not here. It is important that schoolboard
members are here at every meeting. All this being online, being over the phone is is it's it's a big distraction. We talk about public speaking. We talk about a lot of these things, but you're
not here to represent us. I had an issue with facility rentals. There was a policy that came up and there were only three I I would say, no, two school board, no, three school board members here to address this
issue. That's not the representation of the district. So, we need to have a meeting to say either let's cut down cuz we're cutting down on we're losing students. It's time to cut down on school board members. It's time to go from 9 to five
to represent the makeup of this district. It's too many people on the board at some point or we got to look into a policy or what how do we cut down on board members because one the discussion is too long and a lot of you guys are not a asking the tough
questions. You're giving a dissertation telling us how you feel, but you're refusing to go to staff and say, cuz the only one I pretty much hear is Mrs. uh uh Sea. He goes and he asks the tough questions to staff. He doesn't give a dissertation and be done. Stop giving us
speeches. Stop giving them speeches cuz they they they don't care. They they don't care what you vote anyway cuz they know you just going to give a speech. You ain't going to go into detail and ask them for followup. But Mr. Sea, thank you for representing
the people in this community. >> Anna Fusco Brower teachers union. So we talk about discipline and people being absent and I I think we should do better as leadership to help people when there's some absentee problems. Are they fulfilling their
piece about leadership? Is there medical situations going on? Is there personal situations going on? Are they part of the community that maybe have suffered through the MSD tragedy? Multiple things. But I think that some of our leadership misses that. And then let's talk about that we have a particular
leadership who's sitting right there who sleeps on the job and he's not getting any discipline. Let's talk about that type of situation. Alan Strauss sleeps in meetings. You know, he sleeps in meetings. And we continue to read low
rank and file $15 an hour employees that are trying to make it work, probably working two, three, four jobs to feed their family probably have students in Broward schools and the lunches are now charged and can't afford to pay it. So,
they're working to pay it or they may be too proud and want to pay it. multiple reasons of why situations happen. Maybe they chose not to come to work so they won't sleep on the job
and time got away from them. They ran out of days. They couldn't get people to donate. But you continue to sit up there and ignore someone who's high in salary who I have witnessed. You up there have told me you witnessed. I haven't brought it out totally public yet, but it's
coming because I'm waiting for somebody to do something. You say there's equal opportunity that everybody's held accountable when they make a mistake, a transgression, purposeful or not purposeful. Do I believe we may have some employees
that may not come to work because they just don't want to work anymore? That is true. Do we have tons of employees that don't make it to work because they're working two or three jobs and situations happen and nobody cares enough to find out to make them better because I don't
see people lining up to work in Broward schools? Or was it just easier because a board member up there said, "Let's get rid of a thousand employees every year instead of cutting programs or consultants that are draining. that
has put you guys in a predicament that you have a hund00 million dollar problem. Now it's on the backs of employees. So I'm never going to stop talking about certain people that make really purposeful transgressions and you're going to think you're going to continue to ignore it.
Not okay. Not okay. You just sit there and look like what could she be talk? You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's not okay. Your school's closed, school board member, and he was sleeping while we
were getting people moved, and they're still not done with that. >> Thank you. Any other speakers? >> No other speakers. >> Uh, board member discussion on item 18. All in favor of item 18 say I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion in a
second on item 11, please? >> Moved by Miss Hixon. >> Second by Mrs. Alhadaf. Oh, that's right. >> Um, no, I don't think we did 11. >> We did. >> We did. >> Okay.
>> All right. Yeah, >> Mr. King was right. This is a confusing agenda today. Um, >> okay. I don't have 25 marched down. Could I get a motion and a second on item 26? >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Aladev. Public comment on item 26.
>> No comment. No comments. >> Board member discussion on item 26. All in favor of item 26 say I. >> All oppose say no. >> Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 27, please? >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss
Bulman. Public comment on item 27. >> No comment. >> Uh board member discussion on item 27. All in favor of item 27 say I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion to second on item 28, please? >> Second.
>> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Rupert. Public comment on item 28. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. >> Miss Hixon. Thank you. Um, first I want to say thank you to the city of Pompeo Beach for this exciting opportunity for our students. Um, I my question really
is to Dr. Heer and the staff. How how do we do more of these? And where else besides Pompo Beach do we have an agreement similar to this where they're providing um employment skills and opportunities for our
students in terms of EMT and and things of that nature? >> Yeah. So um I'll answer the first part of the question. How do we do more of these? It's continuation of meeting with uh municipalities and other partners and and talking about the possibilities um
and kind of narrowing uh where the where the support um can be most effective when it comes to certain programs and understanding their needs. So, we've been doing more of that um and also meeting with uh private sector partners too just to understand what the needs are. Um as far as uh as uh the
additional programs similar to this around the county, I have to provide a follow-up. I want to see Miss U for Formosa in the crowd. She usually has that off the top of her head, but we can provide a followup as well as some of the other programs that are linked to uh first responder type um um initiatives at certain schools.
>> Great. Thank you. I'd love the followup and I just as one board member, I want to say I wanted to know how do we do more of these because I want to make sure we are doing more of these. So, thank you >> Miss Rupert. >> Um thank you. I also wanted to uh thank
the city of Pompo Beach. I know this has been um you know having occurred um before, but I I appreciate that we're doing the renewal agreement and uh the the um education program there for the fire academy has been stellar and
they've uh they certainly have a big interest. So, if we could um like like uh Miss Hixon said, if we could actually have more hubs like this in all of our district, it would be um fantastic. So, thank you so much. Thank you. Any other board member discussion?
All right. All in favor of item 28 say I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 29? >> Moved by Miss Hixon. >> Second by Mrs. Alhadev. Public comment on item 29. >> No comment.
>> Board member discussion. All in favor of item Oh, Miss Bulman. Um, so this is a I was wondering we have a there's a $67,000
cost and but it says it's a data sharing agreement. So I was just wondering how that all interacts together. >> Yes. So um this is a uh platform that's been adopted by the state for um current um academic use for our secondary
students and post-secary and the like. I thought I saw Mr. Shapiro earlier where oh there Oh that's that's that's David Aaro standing up. >> Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, he can give you a lot more specifics than I can, but it is a a tool um that was adopted by the
state that all of all the school districts in the state are using um for post-secary um services, academic um counseling uh for opportunities um for po uh for our high school students to understand um some of the pathways that they can take.
>> So, no, and I I I know what it is. I so I guess just with this item it says revise the data sharing provisions but then there's this cost that's associated with it. I I guess I would just make the item
not you know clear about what we're agreeing to. >> Gotcha. Because it is a correctment from wrong Mr. Shir this is renewal correct? Yes, this is both a renewal and it's also um an amendment that allows us to
use a digital tool to track data. We're currently using uh doing it uh uh manually. So, it's a both an amendment and a one-year renewal. >> Okay. It's just not clear based on what we're being presented in my opinion.
Thank you. >> Any other board discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. All oppose say no. >> No. >> Uh item passes with one dissenting vote. Mr. Sea.
>> Uh two des dissenting votes from Miss Ruper and Mr. Seivera. Um at this time we will go to item 56. So I wanted to provide a brief reminder regarding the policy adoption process. Today's agenda item represents the
second reading in public hearing on the proposed policies. If approved by the board, the policies will become effective June 24th, 2026. This is the first step in our in-depth policy review and conversion in a collaboration with Miola. When we last reviewed 1020, it
took a year. We find ourselves in a different situation and on a different timeline. These initial batches of policies mark the beginning of a larger, more complex body of work encompassing hundreds of policies. This process will take a year to complete. As part of
today's discussion, please be mindful of the distinction between technical corrections and substantive revisions to policies. Under chapter 120 Florida statutes, a technical correction is limited to correcting citations, grammatical, typographical formatting,
numbering, cross references, or similar area errors that do not affect the substance of the policy. Technical corrections generally may be made without additional rulemaking procedures. A substantive revision by contrast is a change that alters the
meaning, intent, application, implement implementation, requirements, procedures, authority, rights, responsibilities, discretion, or legal effect of a policy. We are limited to technical corrections in our discussions today. If the board wishes
to make a substantive revision to a proposed policy, it will need to reinitiate the rulemaking process to ensure compliance with chapter 120, including providing an additional 28-day legal notice. If that occurs, the revised policy at the board's direction
will return through the full rule making rule development process, beginning with a future rule development workshop and another public hearing. If substantive changes are brought forward, I will need to ascertain the board's will as to whether it wants to entertain those changes. We will not entertain the
substance, but rather whether the board wants to remove the item for discussion at a later time. Thus, I will only entertain a motion to remove the item from consideration. The substantive changes will be addressed at another time.
Um, so at this time, we will recess the special school board meet. Oh, no, sorry. At this time are will we will go to item 56. Are there any technical corrections to the policies for item 56? Miss Thompson.
>> I have a question then because I was going to propose a substantive motion. So does that mean the motion is now just to revisit it at another time? Correct. But I actually I do want to go to Mr. Depri Bruno because do we want to do the technical corrections before public
comment? Yes, they we should do the technical corrections before public comment. Um I know that I have some technical corrections based on some of the feedback that I've received and I can go through those when the chair is ready. >> Okay. And so right now we're doing the
technical corrections to the policies. The substantive um we would be making a motion to pull out that uh policy to make the substantive change um at a later time in the rule making process. >> So can I have the mic when it's at that
time? Thank you. Any technical corrections, Mr. Seivera? >> I guess I need a clarification. I was going to make a motion to have uh 0169.1
pulled from the the batch, if you will, so when we vote, it's not just bundled in with everything else. Um I'm a little confused based on your comments about whether you're suggesting that's appropriate at this juncture or not. So we mi Mr. Pre Bruno
>> yes we can mo we can pull 0169 if there's a motion in a second you can pull that >> so it can be uh addressed separately >> would now be the appropriate time to do that >> you can do that if you wish >> okay so at this time I make a motion to pull 0169.1 um from the the grouping if you will of
policy so it can be discussed and voted on separately >> motion made by Mr. Severa to pull 169.5 seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment on the motion to pull the policy.
Good morning. Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. Obviously, I support the motion. Um, I'm a little concerned about the trying to shut down substantive changes. Um I I don't see how Madame Chair would be able to restrict her colleagues in whatever
motions they plan to make. But step one would be pulling it from the batch because obviously most of us have an issue with the public participation policy. Don't care so much about sergeant-at-arms or the name of the school board. I do have concerns about
um public records, but even if you pass that in the batch, I can ch either challenge it or petition to initiate rulemaking because that should have also um had more attention paid to it. But I support Mr. Sea's motion to pull uh the
public participation if it's 0169, whatever the number now is, out of the batch. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other public comment on the motion? board member discussion on the motion chair I'd like to talk >> yes I'll come to you in a second Dr.
Zeman >> just a clarification that's what I have a substant motion for so when we get to that 169 if I could please get called thank you >> Dr. Zemen. >> Thanks so much, Chair. Uh my question is really about uh the process on this particular one or or any others that get
pulled. Is the intent of the motion to discuss substantive changes to 169.1 um and to vote on it separately uh or or what what would the process look like if this motion passes? >> Mr. Vera,
>> there are multiple dozens of policies that are lumped into agenda item 56. Um, I am not supporting the public comment motion as most of you already know. Um, but I don't want my no vote to
be a reflection that I'm objecting to every other policy within the bundle, if you will. So, I want this pulled so we can have a separate discussion. I can voice my concerns and hopefully um convince my colleagues that voting in the affirmative for this would be
disastrous. So the reason I want it pulled is again I don't want it lumped in on the vote. I want a separate vote uh held on. >> Thank you, >> Chair. Um chair is it also then the case that um if we pull and discuss this
separately it would be open to uh substantive changes uh today or would we bring the substantive changes to a subsequent meeting? >> Attorney Dry Brief. >> So we really cannot um implement
any substantive changes when you're at the second and final step of rule adoption the public hearing. If there are substantive changes changing the meaning of the policy as brought forward with the corrections that you've already made at the first workshop, then that
policy basically dies and we will start from the beginning with a new rule development process on that policy. And chair, just to continue that line of uh reasoning, it seems like it might be valuable to hear people's substantive changes today so that the version that
come back uh might reflect them. Is that possible or do we in essence kick the can on this? Just take this one for example, 169.1. If in fact this motion passes, will we go through the sub substantive recommendations that we have for changes and vote today so that the
version that comes back is a reflection of the you know would would today be a productive meeting or would this be a pure kick the can where we uh don't talk about the substantive changes. the version comes back at the you know a restart for example on 169.1 and we then
uh bring those uh substantive and maybe even technical changes uh back at a subsequent meeting. >> Attorney Dry Bruno. >> So the recommendation would be to bring back those substantive changes um at another workshop.
>> Terrific. Um I understand uh the rulem process and I understand that as well. Last question that I'd have chair is would it make sense to capture technical changes to 169.1 if in fact we're going
to bring it back for substantive changes at a later date. So technical changes can be discussed today and those changes would be made if the board agrees and approves um with the final version that does not stop the rule making process
for 0169.1. >> Terrific. And to the maker of the motion uh was that your intent? The idea Mr. Se I think would be if your motion passes we bring back substantive changes to a subsequent rulemaking meeting on 169.1.
But today we could make purely technical uh changes so that the version we get is uh cleaned up uh at least to the extent that we have technical changes today. >> My position remains the same on why I want it pulled. What substantive changes
you think may be viable whether it's technical or whatever. Um in my mind the only acceptable change to this is to reject it in full and leave it the way it is. But if my colleagues want to dance around and try to make technical this or substantive that, that's that's fine. I will not be supporting that.
Again, the reason I pulled this was because this deserves a separate vote. It deserves separate conversation and it deserves to be away from the bundle. So when we vote on this, we can be voting in favor of other things within the bundled policy without having to just
give a no vote. even though it's for only for those of us who want to oppose it would only be for this. >> I I totally understand uh the intent of the motion. The outcome of today's vote, however, is going to be uh pretty straightforward, which is the technical
corrections to 169.1 can be offered and uh passed or uh move forward without objection. However, the chair decides to do it, all substantive changes would come back to a separate meeting uh on 169.1, which uh I support as well. Thank you very much, chair.
>> Thank you. Any other uh board member discussion on the motion to pull 169.1? >> I'm sorry, Madam Chair. Can the um motion be uh reread for for me, >> Mr. Rivera?
>> Yes. My uh my motion is to pull policy number 0169.1 from the agenda item 56 which includes um madam general counsel is it 31 policies that we're voting on today >> approximately. Yes.
>> Okay. Um to remove that from the 31 policies or I guess from the 30 other policies that we're voting on. So a separate discussion can be had and a separate vote can be had specifically directed and targeted at the proposed policy 169.1.
>> Any other board discussion? All in favor of the motion say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. No. >> Uh item or motion passes with one dissenting vote from me. Um Mr. Sea, you still have the floor. >> I I will yield back. I I just want
clarification um from the chair. Are we now going to focus on the remaining 30 policies first or are we going to do 169.1 first? What is the chair's preference? >> The remaining policies >> would be first. >> Yes.
>> Okay. I'll yield my time. >> Um Miss Hixon. >> Okay. Anyone? Attorney Dreer. No. So there are a couple of technical corrections. Um 0162 with regards to quorum.
There is a should there that's going to be changed to shall. >> Point of order chair. Uh could we just get a page number on the document general counsel? >> Oh okay. Hold on one second. It's 0162 quorum, but we'll see if we
can get you a page number, Dr. Seaman. >> On the bottom right, it says 39924. Does that help? >> Um, >> 16 of 92. >> Thank you. >> Can you tell us the change one more
time, ma'am? Yes, the change is give me one second so I can get back to it. So it says however for workshops at least five board members and it currently says should it would be changed to shall.
Madam chair I just need to know if the board is in agreement to that change. Well actually is a just want to make sure that the board is in agreement to that change. >> Is there any objection to that change? The next one, and if the board members can help me with the page number because
I'm looking at a different document, it's um board policy 0163, presiding officer, page 17. And that particular change is just adding workshops to the first
sentence. So it reads, the chair shall preside at all action meetings, workshops, emergency meetings. Is there any objection to that technical change? >> Okay. >> No. >> The next one is 0164.1
>> page 19. >> And there was a um request to have in those circumstances where board members have a pres-scheduled vacation. Um the the requested change would be instead of
having pres-scheduled vacation, let's change the second to last sentence to read in those situations where the board members required to be out of the c county um due to business or family commitment.
>> Miss Bulman I guess the qu I mean I don't know if that's substantive or not. I think that there might be an argument to be made. I think um we need to figure out what it is that we want to do here in terms of like pres-scheduled vacation is broad because
if you're going away for a week that's fine. If you're going away for five months that's a totally different situation. Um, I could have a family commitment every single week out of the county. I could make that my, you know,
so I think the board needs to decide what it is exactly that we want to limit it to. I think, you know, if we wanted to limit it to a certain amount of time for vacation, that's reasonable. I would be okay with that. But a just an open-ended
vacation that never ends I think is not the purpose of this exercise. So I'd like to hear from my colleagues to see what they think. But I you know I think a couple weeks or I would like to have the opportunity to be out of town and appear remotely periodically if that's a
if that is ever a opportunity that I have available to me. But I do think that like it could be abused the way it's written right now. I would say for uh 0164.1 madam chair if we can get some direction from the board as to whether or not they
want to have additional discussion in terms of the substance of this change a technical change is fine but if we're going to have additional discussion that's terms of substance then we can't move forward with this policy. >> Would anyone else like to have a substantive conversation at a later date
on this on 0164.1? I would. >> Dr. Zean, Miss Rupert, Miss Hixon, go ahead, Miss Hixon. I I don't want to make a policy where it
limits board members from participating in in any way. We've given the opportunity to be able to participate remotely. And you know, sometimes some of us may use it more than than others, but it's just the situations we're in. I
don't think as long as you're participating that you're fulfilling your requirement. So, I just I I like the way I don't mind the change that was suggested. And, you know, we had talked about this a lot about um
how we were going to allow people to participate remotely. So, I don't mind having an additional conversation, but I also don't mind just doing the substantive I mean the technical change that was
suggested by the um general counsel because just like I don't want to eliminate or limit public discussion, I also don't want to limit how board members are able to participate. >> Miss Thompson.
>> Thank you, chair. Um, I talked to Miss Bruno about the pres-scheduled vacation. I think just keeping it general with the technical change because I think there's funerals, there's weddings, there are other events that aren't necessarily pres-scheduled vacations. They're just things as we are all humans that happen.
Um, so I would be fine with just the technical change. >> All right. So, I'm only hearing a minority of board members that would like to have a more substantive discussion. Uh, I heard Dr. Zean. Um, oh, sorry, Miss Rupert. May I speak now? Go ahead, Mr. Rupert.
>> Um, thank you. Um, I I certainly am not for limiting public discussion and I'm not for limiting any of our board members from speaking. I think the question that we have to ask oursel is if you do not allow people to have the part of their life that they're
they're used to and their obligations um then we're basically cut, you know, cutting off a huge section of the the district with if I weren't allowed to actually um be able to speak for my community while
I was in Canada. So um that's my particular point on that. I have certainly since I was you know a board member have always called in for um discussions be prepared for workshops and have participated um
even though I was very unhealthy at the time. So thank you. >> Any other board members? Miss Bullman? >> You know that's fine. I will I listen I'll defer to my colleagues and conduct myself accordingly.
>> I will as well chair. >> Okay. So we'll uh we'll accept the technical change upon the recommendation of attorney Dupri Bruno. >> Thank you. And that change would be to remove uh in those circumstances where a board member has a pres-scheduled
vacation. change that to board members that you can um vote and participate in those situations where the board member is required to be out of the county due to a business or family commitment. That's the change. All right. The next one
is 0165.1. Board members, if you can help me with the page number. >> Thank you so much. So this one based on the feedback provided by all nine board members. The first technical change is
on the first page paragraph 1 2 3 4 5. Um the original sentence read a complete agenda both with all the required items shall be provided to the board at least two business days before the scheduled meeting. Um and based on the discussion
with all nine board members, the sentence now reads, "A complete agenda package including all supporting materials, attachments, exhibits, contracts, memoranda, and other documentation pertaining to each agenda
item shall be provided to the board at least 48 business hours in advance of the scheduled meeting." >> Miss Thompson, What's the difference between
>> business? It's 48 business hours prior to. So, if the meeting is at 9:00 a.m., it has to be provided exactly 48 hours at that 9:00 a.m. mark. >> Speaking to your mic, Miss Thompson, please. >> How many days would that be?
It's approximately it's two days but the hours makes it more >> but the clarification was business hours which wouldn't that make >> in terms of the technical correction that was part of it but was also I got a lot of feedback about the word required
items. So flushing out what that means in terms of exhibits and contracts and the attachments. I got a lot of feedback from board members on that. >> Miss Thompson I mean uh Miss Bowman. So is 48 business hours more time for
requiring add more time or less time than two business days because I would like the more time because we only have so much time in our lives and this stuff pops up. the the hours is more for the specification that you know
if you say two days ahead of time it can be provided to you at 5:00 pm, 400 pm, 3 p.m. But if the meeting is at 9:00 a.m. then 48 hours will be 9:00 a.m. 2 days before. >> So it's more time >> more. >> Okay. So I I agree with that.
>> Anyone else? >> Okay. The other technical corre correction in this particular policy is the word uh non-consent to for clarity sake. Um the recommendation is to use the word action
because those are your individual action items that you will be reviewing. >> Any objection to that? >> Okay. >> Just a comment chair. >> Go ahead Dr. Zean. Um, in in a lot of agendas uh of local governments, it's
non-consent items and action items. Uh, is that what you're recommending, Miss Bruner? >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. >> Go ahead. >> And those were the um technical corrections
that I had for this policy. >> Okay. Anyone else with technical corrections? Oh, just this policy. Is the board okay with me moving with >> Oh, yes. Go ahead. >> Okay. And then the final one. Well, actually that's it that I have.
>> Okay. Any other board members with technical corrections to offer? >> I think I have some. Chair >> Dr. Azan, >> thank you very much. And um I'll try and segment uh these into technical corrections. Then then I have some
substantive uh changes and we'll see if the board wants to pull the policies to make them uh like we did with 169.1 on page 11. Excuse me. Just give me one minute of the 92page thing.
Um nope, that's a that one is fine. Um, on the 122.1, we used the word bylaw. And last time, uh, when we met, we were going to make
sure that we didn't confuse the public by having policies and bylaws. So, we suggested that we just use the word policy. Uh, Miss Bruno, would that be a technical correction to change the eight instances of bylaw to the word policy? >> Correct. And I apologize for that. Um
there is a recommendation for all policies that are coming forward to remove bylaw and make it a policy. So that's just a technical correction. >> Thank you chair. Do we need any >> is anyone object to that >> from the work?
>> Okay, keep going. Thank you very much. On um 162 on our last sentence, um we have a um something that seems uh I don't know. I think this is probably substantive, but the reason
I I'll recommend the change in here whether or not it's technical or or substantive. The last sentence says that if you need a twothirds vote on a motion, say you want to call a question, that if you have less than nine members, say you have six there at a time there,
you would still need all six of them to count as 2/3. Is that still in 162's uh recommendation to the general counsel? >> So, we can remove that. That's basically Robert's rules of order. We do not have to have that in that particular policy.
Chair, I' I'd recommend just as a technical correction, we drop that because if we have six there, be nice to only need four to do things. >> Is there any objection to that? >> Okay.
>> Uh the next one is 164.1, which is on page 19. There's some wording here that I I think is just editing and and so maybe it is a technical correction, but when we say something like all meetings will be held
at Casey, right? And then the next sentence says, "Oh, but we could also change it and move it around somewhere else." That seems kind of misleading to me. I'd prefer it just to say in general meetings are at Casey, right? However, there are times when we have them at other places. Would that be a technical
correction, uh, Miss Bruno? That that's technical. >> Chair, I'd ask uh if the board concurs with that, please. >> Is there any objection to that? >> Okay. >> Um also, uh same policy 164.1.
Uh the last sentence, um board members may only participate in person for quasi judicial hearings. I think that's also true of closed door sessions. Uh Mr. De Bruno, would that be a technical correction? Yes, that's a technical correction. That's just a correction.
>> Terrific. Chair, are we good with that one? >> Is there any objection to that? >> Okay. >> Uh the next policy 165 uh fourth paragraph 1 2 3 4.
Um here's a substantive change that I'm going to explain and then ask uh for concurrence on bringing this back through rule making again. Uh this is our policy on schoolboard meetings. It's incredibly important. Uh but right now I feel like as a board we need a little
bit more pressure about getting done in reasonable amount of time. Uh I don't even think 8 hours is a reasonable amount of time. I think lots of times we have three or four hours worth of real business to do. We we built we'd fill up a lot of time. Um, and so my request is
to bring this back so that instead of just a simple majority to extend uh schoolboard meeting past hours, it would be twothirds. And for a workshop to extend beyond 8 hours, I would want to be able to have the debate about whether we would need unonymity to do that in a
in a workshop. And again, the intent of these changes is to try and apply some gentle pressure to us uh to really put together meetings and prepare for meetings so that we can get through them in 8 hours. Um I just feel like uh be
extending beyond that should take more than a majority vote uh for a for a workshop, excuse me, for a schoolboard meeting. Um and should uh you know take take uh uh you know uh something more than that so that we uh uh you know kind
of in general not only have a rule that says 8 hours but we do everything we can to make sure that we get done in 8 hours for the sake of the schoolboard members uh the quality of our decisions and for the public uh that shouldn't be excluded from attending because the meetings just go too long. So my proposal chair is to
bring back uh 165 for rulem. >> Um is there a desire from the board to bring back 0165 to rule making? >> Mrs. Alhadaf, >> yes. Miss Rupert,
>> yes as well. >> Anyone else? >> Mr. Sera would like to So that's four board members who would like to bring this back for rulemaking. Anyone else? Okay. Attorney Dupri Bruno.
>> So then it would not be coming back. Just the technical corrections. >> Go ahead, Dr. Zean. >> Terrific. >> Anything else? Dr. Zean, >> I'm sorry. I'm trying to read through my notes to see um which is technical, which is substantive. I apologize,
chair. It's just going to take me 10 more seconds here. Yes. Uh on the same one, a technical correction uh 165 um under special meetings letter C.
It's the same edit as before, Mr. Dep Bruno. you know about all meetings. Can we can we edit that so that it doesn't say all meetings will be held in the room? >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. >> And then there I'm assuming there's no objection to that. >> Okay. Go ahead.
>> Um same policy. Um there's a technical correction under exempt meetings. There's just a hanging uh letter G. Um and and it's just you know we're listing we're listing
u examples of such meetings and we have A through F which are examples of those meetings. G is a general statement. I I recommend Mr. Qui Bruno we put that in the first paragraph or just uh eliminate the letter G is a little bit easier. >> That's a technical correction. That's fine.
>> Is there any objection to that? >> Okay. on 165.1 uh page 25 of 92 under agendas B I think I I I don't know uh this is kind
of on the border for me but um in B we say generally the agenda should be provided no later than seven days prior meeting or delivered so as to provide time for the study of agenda by the member which that last clause I think is very odd. But I don't like the word generally. I would like the resulting policy to say
the agenda should be provided no later than 7 days prior to the meeting. Period. So the generally uh gives wiggle room and as uh on the on the last clause or delivered so as to provide time for the study I think is very subjective. So
uh would that be a technical or substantive correction Mr. Puno? >> That would be technical. I mean, the statute requires us to notice properly 7 days in advance. So, I don't I don't see that as a substantive change. >> Chair, I wonder if we have any objection
agreement. Yeah. >> Seeing no adjust. >> Great. On uh number two, I apologize. Page two, letter E.
Um, this is going to trip us up again and and maybe we need a revote on this uh bringing this back or not, but the agenda for special meetings in the middle of U paragraph E along with meeting materials available in electronic format shall be published at
least 24 hours before the special meeting. I I have a really hard time getting ready that fast like like I have a lot of questions. I have to do a lot of research. If the meeting has to be called 48 hours in advance, I would like the material 48 hour in advance because
I just I physically just can't always get ready for special schoolboard meetings um you know in 24 hours. So I I suspect um quite confidently that that's a substantive change. Uh but that would mean we'd have to bring back this policy
um you know to you know reconsider the agendas. Um, so I I guess I'd like to know whether or not my board members would like to do that as well or do they want to get ready when 24 hours before special meetings? >> Attorney Dubrey Bruno, is this a substantive change? >> So I'm not seeing this one as a
substantive change. We have to publish on the um public website within 48 hours. And this is basically publishing on the district's website. So we can simultaneously publish on both websites within 48 hours.
Thank you very much. >> Is there any objection to that? Okay, seeing none >> on 167 um page number 31 uh
I'm uh again in my maybe uh comical interest in getting our meetings down to time uh I wanted to propose that schoolboard members could speak for 5 minutes uh and then 3 minutes for each round of
discussion. So it's under time allocated for debate on page two of two. I wanted to replace the second sentence that right now says that schoolboard members compete for 10 minutes and 3 minutes uh in the second round. So that if we left it alone, uh
13 minutes * 9 is 100, excuse me, 90 + 27, 117 minutes for one item of like approved speaking with nobody running over. If it was 5 and three, it would be 72 minutes for one individual item, which I also think is a lot. And I just
feel like we should have a policy that encourages us to get meetings done in 8 hours or less. But we don't have that if it's 10 and three for each item. Um, so my proposal is to bring back policy 167 so that we can consider a change in our
own behavior uh so that we can get down to a reasonable length for our meetings. >> Would anyone else like to bring back uh policy number 0167? >> Yes. Alf, >> Mrs. Alhadef, Dr. Zean, Miss Hen has a question or a comment. Yeah, I don't
mind bringing it back, but you know, we've had this discussion before and we do have time limits on ourselves already and nobody follows those. So, I um it I I just don't like to make policies that we know we're not going to follow.
So, I I don't mind if it comes back. I think we should be doing a better job of monitoring it. The the length of the meetings doesn't come from public speaking. It comes from us talking too much. Um, but I just want to be cognizant of the fact that when when the
buzzer goes off, people don't stop talking. >> Miss Thompson, >> I think since we've had this discussion, we should allow this policy and actually use it to fidelity to be mindful of the five minutes that we have and also that it's not limiting of our speaking time
because we can come back for multiple rounds. So I would like us to actually follow the policy and then um Mr. did pre Bruno if something needs if a policy needs to come back during this process like we've tried this for six months of everyone doing the five minutes and it's
not working what is that process for it to come back >> the board can always bring back policies you can try something and then if it doesn't work after 6 months you bring it back for additional rulemaking >> so my preference would be that we follow this and we all are respectful of our
colleagues because that then encourages better conversation and better policy for our public. Thank you, >> Miss Bowman. >> Um, I agree with that. I think, you know, kind of reviewing our meetings and
what is taking a particularly long time is not the public speaking. Uh, but it's the unchecked talking of the board members. So, I look forward to having this implemented. Um, and I think that
we'll all feel a lot of relief and be able to do business in a much more uh concise manner if we're actually following this policy. Anyone else? All right. So again, I just want to make
sure how many of us would like to bring this policy back just Dr. Zean and Mrs. Alhadav. >> Okay. So we'll move forward with the policy as is >> with corrections.
Yep. Uh 169.1. >> Attorney, hold on. >> If we could hold on um 169.1, Dr. Zean, for when everybody is going to be addressing that policy since it's been pulled. >> I thought earlier we had talked about
doing technical corrections today to 169.1 even though it's uh coming back for rulemaking. So that the version that comes back is a reflection of those. we we can do the technical corrections. Um my request would be let's go through the policies that are a bit easier. I know
some other board members did not talk about 169.1 yet either. Once we finish all of the remaining policies, we'll go back to 169.1 with any technical corrections. >> Terrific. Can we go to policy 1232,
please? That's pageuh 43. Um under video the second page paragraph in red. I just have a question about this chair. Um we say in the red paragraph starting with video
that board members last sentence board members may use videos or photos of themselves engaged in the normal activities as schoolboard members. To Mr. Qui Bruno, would you uh consider speaking at a schoolboard meeting a normal activity of a schoolboard member? >> Yes.
>> Perfect. Just wanted to make sure. Thank you. Um on 6327, policy 6327, which is the next one on page 46, uh chair, if I could ask the general counsel again, who is covered by the
cone of silence? It's listed in number three, >> the vendor. and and so it the cone of silence implicates the vendor, the board members, it implicates staff. So whenever there's a cone of silence, um only certain individuals can have
communication with the particular vendor. It's usually procurement, sometimes legal. >> So to your knowledge, Mr. Puno, uh schoolboard members are covered by the Kona science. >> Yes. So, a schoolboard member cannot talk
about uh a vendor or a capability uh while uh there's a cone of silence in place. >> Correct. >> Okay. I have a technical question correction on 3C on page four, I think.
I'm sorry, maybe that's not page four. under >> public private partnerships there's uh >> page 49 >> p >> Yes sir. Thank you. on page five of 17.
Um there's a section about uh that the proposal is cancelled and there's two options. Unfortunately, I didn't write that down in my notes. Just give me 10 more seconds. Chair, I apologize.
chair. I'll find it and come back to that later. Sorry. On page seven of 17, um, this may be substantive and again I I don't want to, you know, bring a lot of these back for uh small purposes, but
on Q we talk about uh small business things and again I'll have to find that and bring it back later. I apologize. on page eight of 17 um we have
a lot of detail and I'm curious um Mr. We Bruno, if we wanted to delete um steps that are loc listed in policy and replace them with a standard operating procedure, would that be a substantive change or a a technical change? >> It depends on what it is. So there will
be this policy is a little bit unique because there is some processes in there because of the nature of the policy and it's very public facing because that's what the vendors will be required to review and follow as well. And this policy is also very heavy with regards
to the uh law that's implicated by this particular policy. So depending on what it is, I'd have to go back and check to see if this is a legal requirement that's um very specific through the statute or if it's something that we have leeway. I I can't answer unless I I
know exactly what you're referencing. >> Terrific. But to Miss uh Thompson's uh excellent point, if we try this out for a while and there's something we need to change, we can bring it back down the road. >> You can always try something out and bring it back to rulem if there's tweaks that needs to be made.
>> Yeah, I think it's a real interesting balance on um you know, what you prescribe in a policy versus what you allow the superintendent to draw up uh standard operating procedures. So, I think we'll be keeping an eye on that going forward. on policy 7315 under B trade
and and this is a this is maybe I don't know if it's technical or not but uh we say about the board may trade land or other real estate not of equal value if the board deems the trade to be in the best interest of the public. if I
wanted to propose um to delete that sentence. You know, we've been working under a not a policy but a a norm that the board has talked about that we will not uh sell things for less than market value. We won't lease things for less than market value. This is a way that we
could codify in policy what we at least been have talked through and ex and and have been using as a practice or a norm how whatever you want to describe it. But if we have that practice or norm, it seems to fly in the face of trading land not of equal value because we think it's in the best interest of the public. Uh
would that be a if I wanted to delete that sentence, would that be a substantive change, Mr. Ple Bruno? >> This one I'd have to double check because I believe Dr. Zean, that's statutory language. Um, so let me pull up the statute and just double check that language. But I will also say your
policy can be broad, but the board um through its processes can or really demonstrations processes can be more narrow based on the board's direction. And when it comes back to the board, the board has the ultimate uh decision maker in terms of whether or not you're going
to accept a trade or not. Um, I just want to make sure that this is not something that's from the the law itself. So, I'll double check it now, >> if you don't mind. And and I prefer a policy that tells us we can't do that so that when people come and propose it, we can say uh it's our policy that we don't
give away things for less than what they're worth. >> Now, if we um do remove it, that would be a substantive change. >> Terrific. I believe we should uh remove it. So, chair, I'm wondering if my colleagues would like to also bring 7315 back, the disposal of surplus land and
other real property so that we can discuss taking this sentence out where we give things away for less than what they're worth. >> Would anyone else like to bring 7315 back? >> Yes, Mrs. Alf would. Anyone else?
>> Dr. Hoes. Dr. Hoes would. So, there are three people who would like to bring that policy back. Anyone else? All right, seeing none. >> Terrific. Last one I have is C2 uh on the same policy 7315.
This is an area where I think the whole A through G is very prescriptive to the superintendent like we're telling him how to do things that are very tactical. Um, I believe all of this that's listed on the top of page two from A through G
should be deleted and replaced with in accordance with the standard operating procedures. >> Dr. Zean, what policy again? >> I apologize for my being so quick. 7315 page 63. >> Okay. >> Page two lists like steps A through G.
We're telling them how to like, you know, don't step on the crack, turn left, turn right, you know, it's very prescriptive. Um, this to me is a classic case where a standard operating policy procedure would make more sense and it would allow the superintendent to adjust as the requirements for adjusting
that procedure require it without having to come back to the board and change the policy. >> Attorney Dri Bruno, uh, this is completely up to the board. Um, if you um want to remove it, it will be a substantive change. It will have to go
through rule making um process. Um the reason that that language is in there is because the board has given a lot of feedback in terms of um there are no processes. There's not a good way on how to seek appraisals when it reaches a
limit. You need to have a second appraisal etc. That's why it's in the policy. But this is completely to the board's discretion. >> So would anyone else like to bring back 7315 given this additional context? >> No. Okay.
Chair, that's all the changes I have today. I'll I'll look up the one if I can reserve one minute for uh after everybody else is done talking. >> Okay. And chair point order. >> Mrs. Alada. >> So, if we're going to follow policy, we
should be running the clock on the timing when board members are speaking so we can follow the policy with timing. >> Yes, ma'am. Anyone else with technical changes? Miss Bulman,
>> sorry. Policy 6327 um 1E. I just had a question on that because I might be reading it incorrectly. Um hold on. I got to get Thank you. Um
the the definition of lease payment any form of payment including a land lease by a public entity to the private entity. I I just think the way that it's written doesn't is confusing.
Is it I mean the lease is from a public entity to a private entity but the form of payment presumably would be from the private entity to the public entity. >> Let me pull the statute and just see So the statute reads uh subse subsection
1D definitions lease payment means any form of payment including a land lease by a public entity to the private entity of a qualifying project for the use of the project. >> Is that the statute is confusing? We will find as we're going through
Niola, we're going to find a lot of the statutes are very confusing. So, and sometimes not worded well at all, but we just we don't interpret the statute. We just put what the language is. Okay.
Thank you. Anyone else with technical changes? All right. Um, could I have a motion in a second to formally accept the Oh, Miss Thompson. >> I think Dr. Zeman said he had Oh, Dr. Zman, >> one more technical change.
>> Thank you very much, Miss Thompson. Yes, it's um on policy 6327 on page 7 of 17, letter Q at the bottom, we talk about uh how the projects will benefit
small and minority businesses. Um I'm just curious if we wanted to make sure that we included uh small uh local veteranowned and minority owned businesses. Miss Rupert,
>> would um sorry, would the board um also, if they were going to make that small change, um have uh service people, armed service people or veterans um >> service disabled veteran? >> Yes. >> Attorney Dubrey Bruno. So, my
recommendation to the board because of um where the board is with u certain um projects that are pending, I would recommend that we move forward with the policy as written. Um with the
understanding that this P3 policy is going to come back to the board, there is some minor legislative changes as well that's going to come into play as of July 1. They're not major. is not going to really affect the substance of the the public private partnership
policy, but there will be additional definitions. So, if I may bring that back at that time, but in the meantime, move forward with this policy as written. >> I agree with Mr. Dep Bruno. >> Okay.
Any other technical changes? All right. Could I have a motion in a second to accept all of the uh agreed upon technical changes today? I'm sorry. Point of order today, chair. Uh, were we going to do technical changes now for 169.1? >> No, we pulled 169.1 separate from the
rest of the policies. Attorney Dubrey Brunell. >> Yes, we're just going to vote on the other policies and then we will come back to 0169.1. >> So, could I get a motion in a second? >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Bulman. Uh, do we need to take public
comment on that motion? Attorney Dreo. >> Yes. >> Public comment on the motion to accept the technical changes. >> All in favor of the technical changes say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Uh technical changes
pass unanimously. We will now begin uh well I'll actually take the will of the board. Um, we do still need to take public comment on item 56. We have 16 speakers. However, we do have a time certain for 10:00 for
our proclamations and I want to be respectful to our guests who were invited ahead of time. Um, Miss Dri Bruno, you had something. Yeah, Madam Chair, if I make make a recommendation to the board, um since we still have to go back to 0169.1
prior to the um public hearing, um maybe we do the proclamations, then come back to 0169.1 and then we can open it up for the public hearing on all of the policies. >> Okay. Is there any objection to that recommendation? Mr. Vera,
>> if we take the general counsel's recommendation, are members of the public still then able to speak prior to any vote and or board discussion on 0169.1? >> Yes, we will still move forward with what it's technically legally called
will be the public hearing on the policies and that would include 0169.1. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, so what do you recommend we do right now? Attorney DP Bruno, go to the proclamations. >> Since it's 10 o'clock, we'll go to the
proclamations. Once that's complete, we'll go back to the um technical corrections. I would request technical corrections first with regards to 0169.1 and then determine whether or not there are any substantive changes that requires it to be pulled. >> Okay. Do we need a table? Do we need a
motion to table 56 or can we just >> No, I think for the record um just because this is part of the rule making process, note that the board did start at 9:00 a.m. on this particular item and we have to um move the public hearing after another time certain on the
agenda. >> Okay. All right. Um could I get a motion and a second to bring item 34 to the floor, please? >> Second. Moved by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Bulman. Uh public comment on item 34. >> No comment.
>> Uh board member discussion. Dr. Holes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um so um I just want to mention a few things, Madam Chair, then I'm going to read uh parts of the proclamation. Um so uh uh this
proclamation is being uh given to uh Senator Roslin Ozgood and the purpose of this proclamation is to recognize her significant effort in providing hurricane relief
uh for those who were significantly impacted on the island of Jamaica in November by being hit with a uh category 5 hurricane. Now, I was trying to attempt to coordinate the
receiving of this proclamation with Barington Irving because the senator flew down to Jamaica with Barington Irving in in November, but their schedules were it was difficult to coordinate their schedules because the senator was in session at the time. So
because I could not get them both together, um I had to uh schedule Senator Osgood at a different date which is today. So um it is to recognize her efforts with uh Captain Baron Irvin um as well as Dr. Stewart, which we
recognize um in terms of the hurricane relief. And just to give some context for the public, um there was a category 5 hurricane called Melissa that hit Jamaica in November of last year in South Florida. We have over 100,000
Jamaicans in Broward County alone. We also have over 300,000 Jamaicans in South Florida. Besides New York City, South Florida has the second largest concentration of Jamaicans. Broward County actually has the largest
concentration of Jamaicans in the state of Florida. Now, when you look at Hurricane Melissa, it had not only impacted the island of Jamaica, but it impacted a lot of families here, having
over 100,000 Jamaicans living in Broward County. And many people suffered significantly, went homeless on the island. Many people suffered significant lack of resources as a result. And Senator
Ozgood, who by the way has no Jamaican descent at all, took it upon herself to collect hurricane relief supplies, to fly down to Jamaica with Barington Irving, and to unload trucks to support
people. Now, that is to me a humanitarian, significant humanitarian effort. It speaks to the heart of Senator Osgood. And so I wanted to recognize that today. Um and so if you
uh I would say to my colleagues, if you did not or have not had an opportunity to co-sponsor this proclamation, uh please uh let my office know by the end of the day tomorrow, if you would like to, and a revised version of the
proclamation will be presented to Senator Osgood. So I am going to go ahead, Madam Chair, if you don't mind, and read the proclamation. Whereas Senator Dr. Rosen Ozgood is widely recognized as a transformative
faithrooted community advocate whose passionate leadership and steadfast commitment to service have advanced opportunity strengthened communities and uplifted families across South Florida and beyond. Whereas Dr. Osgood holds both a master's
degree and a doctoral degree in public administration from Nova Southeastern University and has dedicated more than two decades to public service and community leadership, including executive nonprofit leadership, elected service as the Florida senator
representing district 32, education governance as a former chair and member of the broad county uh public school board for 10 years, authorship of multiple impactful books and faith leaders, ship as an associate minister at New Mount Olive Baptist Church.
Whereas during her tenure in the Florida Senate, Dr. Ozgood has continued to distinguish herself as a strong and effective champion for education. Building upon her extensive experience in Broward County Public Schools and her belief that education is the foundation
of thriving communities and among her many accomplishments, Dr. Ozgood has sponsored and supported key legislative initiatives to expand educational opportunities and secure significant state investments supporting programs that benefited Brow County students and
families. And her leadership has supported efforts to strengthen career and technical education pathways, expand learning opportunities, reduce barriers for school districts, and invest in programs that promote student success, workforce readiness, and the overall
well-being of children and families. And whereas following the landfall of Hurricane Melissa on October 28, 2025, and the significant hardship it caused for residents across Jamaica, Dr. Ozgood quickly helped mobilize humanitarian
support to assist families facing disruption and loss. Whereas Dr. asked could help coordinate the collection and delivery of essential relief supplies, including hygiene kits, sanitary napkins, baby diapers, flashlights,
canned foods, uh socks, children's clothing, and first aid kits, ensuring that aid was organized with care and delivered in a manner that addressed urgent needs with dignity and respect. And whereas on November 12th, 2025, Dr.
as would travel to Jamaica as part of the relief effort to personally deliver supplies and provide direct support to impacted communities, meeting with hurricane survivors, relief workers, and local clergy, and working diligently to
organize and distribute assistance on the ground. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that I, District 5 School Board Member and Vice Chair Dr. Jeff Holes along with District 1 school board member Mara Bullman, District 2 school
board member Rebecca Thompson hereby recognize Senator Dr. Roslin Osgood for exemplary humanitarian service and compassionate leadership in support of Hurricane Melissa relief efforts in Jamaica and commend her collaboration with community partners and volunteers
whose collective action brought help, hope, and encouragement to families impacted by the storm. Thank you. Thank you. And Dr. Holes, I would also like to be on the record co-sponsoring this proclamation. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, sir. >> Would you like to recess for a photo or
open up to board remarks? Yes. >> Uh, we'll recess briefly for a photo. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. down. Down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down down
down down down down. Heat. Hey, Heat. Heat. Hey, Heat. One of them. Thank you so much. And I do want to uh recognize and call up to the podium Senator Ozgood to give some remarks. And
uh thank you again so much for your leadership. Thank you, Madame Chair, and thank you to the school board, those of you that were in support of the proclamation. And I thought about the 2010 hurricane that
hit Haiti and we took in a number of students who who didn't speak English but graduated many of them first and second in the class. This school district has always been a welcoming district to
those that are in Jamaica and Haiti and I just felt it was the right thing to do. I want to thank the women of Alpha Kappa Alpha that helped me collect all those goods. I want to thank my colleagues, both Democrats and
Republican. It was a bipartisan effort and I'm committed to continuing to work in a bipartisan way to make sure that our kids have what they need. So, thank you so much for this recognition this morning. I appreciate it. I've been a
little under the weather, but I'm happy to be here this morning. Thank you to school board member Hoes, the NAACP, and all that continue to support me in my quest to make the world a better place for our children. That is my why.
I get up every day because I'm committed to change. Children have a need to grow every day and we all have a responsibility to make sure that we're creating those opportunities for our children to grow every day. Thank you
again. God bless you. God bless America. >> Thank you. Would anyone else? >> Dr. Hoes. Madam Chair, that's it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Senator Osgood, for being here. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. And any other any other board comments on this proclamation? All
right. We do have several other proclamations that will be coming to us at 11 a.m. um as requested ahead of time. All right. Uh Attorney Dre Brun, do I need to table this item for later or can we just go back to item 56?
>> We can go back to item 56. >> Okay. So, uh, upon the guidance of attorney Dupri Bruno, we'll go back to item 56. Um, and we will address one policy 169.1, both the technical and
substantive changes and then go to public comment on 1.6 or 169.1 and then we will open up the public hearing for the rest of the policies. Is that correct, Attorney Duprio? So there'll be the public hearing which will encompass the public comment on all
of the different um policies from 56. >> Um but first we will go to 169.1. Yes. Correct. And and go to the technical and substantive conversation for that. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um so we'll we'll address 169.1
that was pulled separately. Um first on the list I have Miss Hixon. And if I could, Madam Chair, if I could, could we please just go through the technical changes first and then we can come back to the substantive change so that we can follow all of those changes, please?
>> Okay. Do we, Miss Xenon, did you have technical changes? >> No, mine are substantive. >> Does anyone have technical changes for 169.1? Miss Bulman? >> Um, Well, I I don't know if this is going to be uh Okay, so in
number one or I guess it's I two on page four. Um, public comment shall be held at the beginning of the meeting at the designated public comment portion of the
agenda or as otherwise designated. So, I guess my question was who's designated this? It could be um normally it's the board. The reason it says or otherwise designated, there may be times especially during a workshop where you
want to hear something after or before. So that gives the board some leeway um by giving some direction to the chair as to what you would like to do. >> So should it say by the board? >> We could that would be a technical change if we add the board. That's just clarification.
>> Okay. >> Is that >> and I guess that you know this might all go into you know a broader conversation. Um, probably I'll reserve my comments because I think we're going to get into substantive and if that's the case then
they might be irrelevant. >> Thanks, >> Miss Bulman. So, would you like to propose that as a technical change or you're >> I I guess I'll reserve maybe we should I think we should probably go to the substantive first because if we're going
to change a provision then I I could go and give you the technical changes but then if we're not going with that provision I don't I guess we don't >> Miss Thompson >> I just have a a clarifying question
about this because if the substance change that Miss Bruno is proposing we can do is only to pull this item to redo rule making then I would like to propose that so that we can end this discussion.
>> Okay. >> So I would like to make a motion to pull 169.1 to redo rule making. >> Second >> motion made by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Buling. Public comment on the
motion to uh reinitiate rulemaking for 169.1. >> Good morning. Uh Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. Um I'm in support of the motion. Um this act and we need some clarification. This is a
public hearing on top of it, which means we get to ask questions. Um, but obviously if you pull it to start rule making all over again, rule development, then we would have a real rule development workshop, not one that's embedded in a board workshop because
that just doesn't work. Um, but I support the motion if that means this will stop this process dead in its tracks today. Um, because you have 99 problems. One of them is you're trying to get a referendum passed and if the board were to move forward with passing
this asis today, what you would be putting yourself on the hook for is mad public right before you want to take to ask them for more money because that's when this would come back and blow up in your face. So ending it today is something I would support and start over
because there's a lot wrong with this policy. Good morning. Alan Bushkin, Sunrise, Florida. I am in full support of pulling this policy and taking it back to rulemaking. I can't describe how many issues I have with it. I'm glad some of
you are starting to see a reason in this. I'll reserve my other comments for later, but I do appreciate it. Thank you. >> Good morning, Brooky Plantation. I support the motion. As we saw this morning, the public is not the problem in terms of the use of board time. Thank
you. >> Thank you, Jackie Luskum. I'd just like to say that this whole policy is the mother of all hot messes from the hot mess department. It's a hot mess that need not have happened and doing what Miss Thompson has proposed would unhot
mess it. Thank you, >> Trudy Germanovich. Um, I'm in full agreement with also uh redoing this, but I think you should be very careful about when you bring it back. I would suggest you wait until after the election. Thank
you. >> Lilian Aro, BTU, and I support the motion. >> Kenneth Menchu, BTU. I definitely support the motion. >> Shafi Muna, BTU. I also support the motion.
>> Nicole Morris, Coral Springs. I support the motion and I would ask that you bring it back at a time when your customers, your parents and your stakeholders can be here to speak on it. This uh this item is to hear the voices of our customers which are our parents
and right now it is summertime so you're not going to get adequate public participation on this. Thank you. Anna Fusco Brower Teachers Union President also Brower County resident. My son's a product of Brower County Public Schools. We want to keep talking about what you guys say. We're an
A-rated district. It's about the students. The students have family members, parents that bring them into our district. You talked about customer service last week of hiring some consulting company to teach you better
when you guys should be the main example. I am asking you to support this motion. There should be a committee working with this. There should be multiple things that are happening. And um you shouldn't be stifling the very group that
is Brower County Public Schools. You need to also remember you guys, this is not your meeting. You guys have been elected to run a schoolboard meeting to be the schoolboard meeting. This this the meetings are for the community. I need you to take a lot of different comments are going to be put towards
your way to read the room and understand of really why you're there. Remember why you guys said you wanted to sit there. Y'all have forgotten. Thank you. Any other public speakers? Board member discussion on the motion. Miss Hixon, >> thank you. Um I I don't mind the motion
because I think that makes sense, but Dr. Dr. Zean had asked earlier about discussing what those substantive changes are going to be so it comes back with some of them. So are we going to do that or are we just pushing the whole thing off and that will we'll start
again when it comes for rulemaking? I just want to clarify. Um attorney Dri Bruno Bruno. >> So we'll just push it off. um board members can submit their substantive changes and at some point um you know it will be brought back for the board to
have a discussion. >> Thank you for the clarification, >> Miss Thompson. >> That was my question basically to get clarification um but also not structure it as pushing it off but structuring it as giving us an opportunity to hear more
from the public. I think it's the way it needs to be framed. >> Thank you, Miss Bulman. Um, I'd like to call the question. >> Are you making a motion to call the question? >> Motion to call the question. I'll second that. Uh, all in favor of calling the question, say I. >> I.
>> All oppose, say no. >> No. >> Roll call, please. >> Roll call and call any questions. School board members av >> Bowman. >> Yes. >> Sea, was that a no? Hixon, >> yes.
>> Honus, >> no. >> Leonardi, >> yes. >> Brooer, >> no. >> Thompson, >> yes. >> Zean, >> yes. >> 54, but I believe it fails because it
needs a super majority for call the question. If I'm correct, GC, >> you are. >> All right, Miss Bullman, did you have anything else? Nope. Mr. Sea. >> Thank you, Chair. Uh, I appreciate um
anything that my colleagues are willing to do to keep this monstrosity of a policy from from going forward. Uh, that being said, I do want to express on the record my concerns with this and when we ultimately vote uh on it, I will say it
again, but I will continue to scream this from the mountain tops as to why I'm vehemently uh against these proposed changes. Uh let's be very clear about what's at stake here. This is not just a policy about meeting management. It's a
policy about whether parents, taxpayers, teachers, students, and community members will have a meaningful opportunity to speak directly to the people that they elected. Public comment is not a courtesy. It's not a favor.
It's not a box to check before the board moves on to business as usual. Public comment is one of the most important safeguards in local government. Period. Full stop. But these proposed changes
move us in the wrong direction. They would limit general public speakers at regular meetings and remove the ability to have a full public engagement. In a district as large and diverse as Broward County, this simply cannot fly. This
district serves hundreds of thousands of students, thousands of employees, and communities with very different needs. Limiting public speaking sends the wrong message. It tells parents and it tells taxpayers, "We don't have time for you."
And in my book, that is simply unacceptable. The proposed changes also limit agenda items and comments to one hour unless extended by discretion of the chair. That means the public's right to speak can depend on one person's discretion.
When major issues are before this board, the public deserves more than a clock running against them. The proposal also reduces speaking time when more people show up. If more than 20 people want to speak, the time drops to two minutes. If
more than 30 people want to speak, it drops to one minute. Think about that. The more concern there is, the less each person gets to say. That is just backwards. A large turnout should not be a signal that the board needs to listen more
carefully, not move faster. The people sitting on this dis here by the public. They work for the public and the public must be able to look them in the eyes and say, "I disagree with you. I expect better. I
want answers." They must be given the ability to address their local government. That is democracy. When a person comes here worried about what is happening in a classroom, they should not have to wonder, will their words be shut down. When a teacher comes
here to raise concerns about district leadership, they should not have to worry about whether or not they're going to be able to address their local elected officials. Public comment is sometimes uncomfortable. It's sometimes emotional, but that's the point. The
public meeting belongs to the public. We should be making it easier for pe people to participate, not harder. We should be expanding access, not narrowing it. We should be encouraging public trust, not adopting rules that make people feel
shut out, filtered, or overly managed. as a school board that listens to the public is a stronger school board. A school board that welcomes criticism is more accountable. A school board that gives parents, teachers, and students and our taxpayers a meaningful voice is
more legitimate. I am glad that one of my colleagues had the foresight and the wherewithal to at least get this monstrosity pulled for today. But as we move forward, these changes cannot be accepted. Do not
limit general public comment. Do not reduce people to one minute statements when public concern is at its highest. Do not restrict citizens from addressing the elected officials who represent them. Protect the quorum. Protect order.
Sure. But above all, protect the public's right to be heard. Because when if elected officials stop listening to the public, the public loses confidence in the process. And when the public loses confidence in the process, we all
lose. Thank you, chair. >> Thank you, Miss Hixon. Oh, Dr. Holes, sorry. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. So, I did um had a board member request as far as the
total amount of time spent on public comments um during the last uh three regular schoolboard meetings. And um I believe all of the board members had the the response. On April 7th, um we had a
board meeting that was 5 hours and 25 minutes and the total public speaking time uh for that meeting was 29 minutes and 52 seconds. On May 5th regular schoolboard meeting that was a 9 hour 17
minutes uh schoolboard meeting the public speaking time was 2 hours and 54 minutes and 5 seconds which was about 31% of the meeting. And then on June 9th, regular schoolboard meeting was 6
hours 42 minutes. Public speaking time was 1 hour 25 minutes, which was about 21.1% of the meeting. So Dr. Dr. Heeper, I I guess my question here is now that we have some sort of a uh substantive
data in our last three board meetings, um it shows that the approximate average for public speaking seems to be about 22.5% if we were to look at these three meetings. How does this compare to large
districts across the state? >> We will have decorum in the audience, please. Um, thank you for the question. I can't speak on the the number of minutes. I can speak on um how public comment is conducted. Um, I don't know if other school districts
if the public comment is or is less or more. Um, but it's it's done differently than Broward County. Um, similar to what the u current policy suggests is how the majority of school districts across our state actually conduct their public
comment. >> Okay. So the next question I have, it seems as if the average here, if you look at these three meetings, is probably uh maybe an hour and
40 minutes or so. So with the recommended changes um that are here in this policy, what would be the public speaking time for the current recommended changes? maximum. >> I'll defer that to uh Mr. P Bruno.
>> I I don't think we can answer that, right? Because every time there's a issue that the public is um very interested in, it's going to impact the change in terms of how much speaking time that the public has. So that's difficult to quantify and I don't have
that data. Um the only thing I could add to this particular conversation is I agree with Dr. Heburn's um explanation that most districts um they do not do public comment the same way that we do it. I know that Poke County,
Hillsboro County, Orange County, Duval County, so Orlando, Tallahassee, Lee County, Palm Beach County, all of them, pretty much nearly all of the top 10 districts in almost every other district in the state of Florida. as many of the
other districts in the country do not do public comment the same way. Uh the best practice for public comment when you're looking at how districts um comport themselves for both one to make sure that the public speaks because sometimes we forget that public comment is not the
only avenue for the public to speak. Um Broward is actually unique in that its public comment actually includes written public comment. Most districts do not have that. Um the policy would retain um the written public comment. So I know the board members review that as well.
Um in addition um Broward would also be a little different than the majority of the other districts in that it would also have the general public comment time as part of the meeting for AM and PM, which most districts do not have. And many of those that do have it, they
actually do that outside of the meeting before the meeting begins or at the end of the meeting. So Broward is um definitely unique in that and even the policy would include some of Broward's uniqueness in public comment. >> Okay. So, um, Miss Bruno, I understand
that Broward may appear to be an outlier in terms of how the meetings are conducted as far as public comment, but the rational for making the change has to have some sort of a um positive impact, right? Uh, regardless of what anyone else is doing, even if we're
doing it differently. So, I guess what I'm trying to determine what that rational is, regardless of who's doing what, uh, what would be the benefit to the district? Are we concerned about time? Are we concerned about effectiveness of governing? Uh even if
our process is different from other districts, what are we gaining by making the change? Um if time is the concern and that's the reason I asked my question, right? If time is the concern and the changes I believe says 30 minutes of public speaking time and I
believe there's an hour for commenting on items, that would be an hour and a half, right? So besides time because it doesn't seem when I look at the last three board meetings it doesn't seem as if we we've lost a lot of time with public speaking the way it's being done
now as compared to the changes. So what would be the rational besides time that would necessitate making this change? Um, is there a concern with effectiveness of governing outside of time? Cuz time was one of the variables,
but that doesn't seem to be a factor when we look at the data from the last three board meetings. So, what is the next factor that would rationalize this change? >> It's the best practice with regards to effectiveness of governance. Um, the districts you normally would put public
comment at the beginning of the meeting so that all of the comments are provided to board at the same time. Once that comment are received then the board can do the rest of the business um the rest of the work um without the interruption
but in due consideration of what they have heard. Um this is normal practice. It helps with the efficiency. It would end up reducing a little bit in terms of um some of the other things that impact public comment in terms of discussion on
the day and helps with the flow of the meeting as well. And that's why it's recommended that you have it at one particular time. And I would just add too because this was something that the board was very concerned about. Um we don't want to have somebody make a
public comment and then they're not heard again until 3 p.m. because that was another issue that was going on that particular agenda item maybe at 3:00, 4:00. We never know because we go so long in our meetings. sometimes the those individuals sometimes don't even
have an opportunity to speak. So having it it at one designated time for the board's consideration that was one of the factors and then um because of making sure that the board can react and respond to those high topic highinterest
um topics and agenda items immediately after that 1 and a half hour 1 hour and 15 minute of public comment time those hot topics will then be discussed and addressed by the board immediately thereafter. So that's how the policy was drafted. So that all of those um agenda
items that the public is very interested in would be answered, resolved, the board will discuss it. The public would see the vote and then the board can move forward, excuse me, with its regular action consent agenda items. >> Okay. So, Miss Bruno, is there and and I
don't mean to be difficult, but this is an important item to vote on, but is is there any um measurable uh and I and I heard you in terms of the effectiveness of governing, but based upon any uh
comparable uh districts, is there any um measurable evidence to suggest that governing is more effective with these changes? So the only I can I can I have not done particular research to determine that
type of data. Um that's something we can look into. But I what I can tell you is just from my conversations with the other attorneys across the state as well as other attorneys in the uh greater city schools, the other large urban school districts. um that when we
discuss how public comment is occurring in our meetings, um the efficiency of having public comment at one point does help the um board in terms of its ability to do its business. And when I share how public comment is done in
Brower County, everybody is scratching their heads and is very very surprised and wondering how the board is actually able to conduct the business the way that it's set up. Not saying that it's not possible because clearly we have been doing it. Um but it's really the efficiency in terms of how those
meetings are run and operated. >> Okay. So uh Dr. Hepern uh for me um a very important piece because my concern was and I didn't know uh the way we're doing it did it significantly
um create an anomaly in terms of the time spent for public comments as it would compare to other districts. So that's the reason I made the request to look at the time for the last three meetings and it seems as if the average time is about 1 hour 40 45 minutes which is what the proposed change is also
recommending. So time is not significantly impacted. Uh the other factor was governing the effectiveness of governing and uh it doesn't appear as if we have measurable data or research uh it may or may not impact governing
efficiency but we don't have measurable data to which to rely on to make that conclusion. So, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm for or against uh the changes, but I I am not sure if we have adequate information uh to go ahead and make the
changes as far as um uh whether or not this would be a benefit to the board as opposed to the consequences that it may cause uh beyond our decision. So I would like more information on measurable data as far as
the the the variable pertaining to efficiency of government. I believe we've concluded that time is not significantly impacted by just looking at the last three board meetings. Not sure if governing efficiency is because we don't have measurable data. Even though yes um you know when you look at
other districts and when you communicate with them it appears that we are doing things differently than they are but doing it differently does not mean it's not being done efficient and I'm not saying it is but I don't think we have enough data to make that conclusion. So I would like to see this come back
another time. I don't believe I am able to fully make the decision on this today uh because of the the varying factors that have not been uh uh substantiated with the with the request. So that's my position madam chair.
>> Thank you Miss Hixon. Thank you. Just quickly based I think using the last three meetings probably skews the data a little bit because two of those meetings were about org charts and people losing their jobs. So I think the April 7th 30
minute average is probably like if I think we would want data if you're asking for data way beyond that so that you get a better picture of that because I think the other two are anomalies but um you know as I said when I didn't agree with the changes in the workshop I
our our problem with long meetings is doesn't come from public speaking and we're here as elected officials um and We should hear from our public. I know that they can email us and they can call us, but I think sometimes there's power
in numbers and seeing them come and and like visually show us that there's an issue or even if they I'd love if they came when they liked something um to tell us that they liked it also. Um, you know, I think just visually it it's a
community that's involved and it's really important for us to acknowledge that and appreciate the fact that they come to speak. And again, traditionally, it doesn't make our meetings that much longer except when it's big items. So, I appreciate that this is going to come
back and that we'll have time. And also just I'll say it again, but I don't think when we're talking about limiting time or or what the time frame looks like that we should say at the discretion of the chair because it doesn't give consistency and that puts a
lot of pressure on a chair because if they decide yes, this group can have longer time but no, the other group can't, it's just not consistent. So, I just want to put that out there again to say our policy should be consistent and
not say at the discretion of the chair. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mrs. Alhida. >> Thank you. So, I would say that public comment has really evolved through the years. I know when I was the chair, we had a lot of public comment. I
think in the last two years there has been less public comment and people coming and speaking at our meetings. The problem necessarily is not the public. The problem is us. The problem is us talking and talking and talking. And the
problem is it's not being timed. I even asked for it to be timed but it's still not being timed. So we have to govern ourselves. We don't need data. It is very clear our meetings go over by hours and hours because we do not govern
ourselves to speak in a timely manner. So unless that changes and and we abide by our policy to speak on the time limit, have it timed, not ask for extra time because you get another round if you want to speak
again. And it's not fair to your colleagues who are waiting hours to speak on an agenda item. It truly isn't. What I would recommend in somewhere whether we put it in our procedures or the policy is to have a timed item. If
it's a really hot topic, make it four hours. I don't care because we'll speak for seven of it if we don't. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Thompson. Thank you, chair. I just wanted to
briefly and I'm going to time myself because I can't see a timer. Um, but >> well, they're not working and I can't see it. Um regardless I think the reason we were having this discussion to begin with is not needs to be reframed and
understanding from the point is if you have a set time to come speak then the moms and dads who have to rearrange their schedule to come to the teachers that might not be able to come at a certain time that gave them the ability
to start it at 9:00. And I had originally had some hesitation as I think a lot of us did because if you come and speak at 9ine but the item doesn't come back until 4 pm then you're hanging out all day. Um so I just wanted
to kind of bring that back into perspective um that it wasn't about silencing public comment. It was about putting some structure so that those people who don't tech the don't typically come or the people who come with their kids because I see them in the audience and then they take them in
and take them out and take them in because it's hard to keep little ones entertained during this have the opportunity to come speak and then go about their their day-to-day. Um and then I also wanted to bring up a point because we keep talking about what the other school districts do. Well, when
you think about it, Brower County government has it structured very similar to how we have it currently where the public can speak per item. They don't have general co comment um like we do, but I would like to maintain that. Um the municipal governments, the
majority of them both allow general speaking and talking to the item. So, I think when we're looking at the best practice of governing, we are are similar to those bodies as well. And just to remember that the local government, our local governments are
the one closest to the people and so we are made to be more responsive to the people. Um, and I know we were supposed to save all this to the workshop, but since we don't govern ourselves, that is my comment and I look forward to talking about this again when it comes back. Oh,
can we get a timeline on that? A proposed timeline. >> Are we ready to give a timeline on that? Attorney Drew. So, I I'm really going to need some guidance from the board. Um because based on the comments that I've heard, it doesn't seem that the board is
inclined to make any real substantive changes to the policy. So, are we bringing the policy back to make changes or do we want to just keep what we have? I really want to know from the board what that direction is. Do we want to keep 1020 as is, which is completely to
the board's directive? Completely to the board's directive. whatever the board wants to do or do we want to try to make some changes? I just need direction. >> So, I believe we weren't giving you direction because you told us that the substant change that we could make was
only to reinitiate rulem. So, that was my motion. I have substantive changes, but I my understanding of your direction was that we weren't supposed to go into that. So my motion is to bring this back
so that we can have that unless your advice has changed. >> No, my advice hasn't changed. I was really just listening to what the board was saying and that was what I was getting from the conversation on the day is that there may not be an appetite. Um and it again completely up to the board.
So if if you want me to bring something, I'm completely to the board's discretion. send me um individually your thoughts and then I'll try to craft something that incorporates everybody's thoughts and bring that to a workshop at at some point.
>> Um so attorney Duprio, do you need the guidance now? Are we still sticking to the motion, Miss Thompson, to bring it back? >> If that is the process that we're supposed to follow, then I would like to bring it back. If the process that we follow is to start doing it now, then
let's dive into it. But I'm just trying to follow the recommended process. >> Okay, Lily. Um, okay. Um, I was just curious, do we allow video public comment? Like, can someone submit a video?
>> That is not currently in policy. No. >> Okay. Maybe that's just something to like consider, especially I know we had mentioned the parents who might not always be able to come in or teachers or even our students who, you know, are stuck in school. Um like to have them submit a short video so that way it would keep to the time limit. Um even if
we made it, you know, just something as small as two minutes. Um that way they keep to the time, but the people who can't physically be here still get to get their word in. >> Thank you for that input, Mr. Sea. >> Thank you, Chair. Um I have a couple comments and then I'm gonna have a
substitute motion, Mr. pre Bruno that I think if passed will give you the direction that you need. Uh first and foremost, I I want to comment on this this notion about what school districts are uh doing in other parts of the
state. And I want to be very clear. I don't care about Palm Beach. I don't care about Dade County. I don't care about Duval County. I don't care about Orange County. I don't care about Lee County. I don't care about Collier County. I care about Broward County. We are very unique. We are a very special
place here and we need to do what is in the best interest of our constituents and if they do things differently in Palm Beach, kudos to them. I don't live in Palm Beach and I'm not on the Palm Beach County School Board. So quite frankly, and with all due respect to
them, I don't care. I only care about this county and this board. Number two, in regards to what is going to happen with your guidance about when this needs to come back, madame chair, I'd like to
propose a substitute motion. Uh, and I realize Miss Thompson's motion is still on the floor, but I have a substitute motion that this be tabled until sometime in 2027 and this not come back within the next 6 months. So, my colleagues can think very hard about
this so we can continue to have conversations with our constituents and so that we are not forced like this. We feel that this has been forced down our throats as the this policy is extremely important to me. I know it's very important to my constituents. So, my suggestion for recommendation, Mr. Prior
Bruno, as far as timing is, we need to hold off on this till 2027. So, my motion would be just that >> motion made by Mr. Seivera, seconded by Miss Rupert. I believe per policy, we need a date. Um, so I don't know if you have a date ready, Mr. Seivera.
>> Mr. Superintendent, when do the kids get back from um Christmas break? >> Stuff. >> Looking at the calendar. That would be uh January >> January 5th, right?
>> 5th. The kiddos get back to 5th. Yes. >> January 5th. >> January 5th. >> So my motion would be no sooner than January 5th. >> And second by Miss Rupert. Public comment on the motion or the substitute motion. My name is Dr. Trudy Germanovich. I
wholeheartedly approve of um Mr. Sea's um substitute motion. And the reason is we need to stop this. This is crazy. You're doing things that are going to make the public
think, why should I even care who gets elected? That's right now. I'm sorry. You don't have any time for this. Your policyy's fine on public
participation. Leave it alone. have it go through the committee process like we always did and we cautioned you to do that especially on policies that
affect the the public. So please vote for this. Thank you. >> Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. I support the motion um because yes, this does need to be put
off and it'll buy you time for a couple of things. Um a and just so Mr. Dupri Bruno is aware, one of the things that makes Broward unique compared to other districts is I'm pretty sure we're the only ones with four grand jury reports.
Four. Four and counting. and the five board members recommended for removal hasn't happened anywhere else that I'm aware of. So, no, you don't get to behave like everybody else.
Um, negotiated rulemaking that's recommended when you have complex rules or strong opposition. Hello. But that didn't happen here. the looping policy which is ironically I think called public engagement and
communication still a policy that you're not following which would have required this to go to DAC in favor of this >> thank you next speaker >> hi Dana Sanders Davy Florida why are families leaving Broward County Public
Schools this is why people are leaving because we're facing a crisis of declining enrollment. Why? Why? Why are they leaving? I'm a parent. I've lived my whole life in Broward County. My children go to Broward County. And you don't care what we say, what we think,
what we're trying to tell you. We will listen to you guys for 9 hours, but we get a minute. It I mean, honestly, it sends a loud, unmistakable message to every parent in the district that our perspective is an
inconvenience. Uh, and if parents can't find a voice in public schools, why do you think that they're leaving? All of my friends with school-aged children, this is what they say. You don't listen. You don't care. And it's showing. But my minute's almost up, so I'll
continue listening to you guys. >> Deon Lee, B County resident. Okay. I totally agree on tableabling this, coming back to it, because currently in our society, it can be challenging to discern what's going on, what's the
truth, and what's not. And when you actually have people coming to you and stating, "This is what's going on. These are my concerns. Please help us. Please fix it." And you want to just squaltch the ability to them for them to actually
come to you and seek your help. That's troubling. You're only going to create an echo chamber for yourself, a bubble where you're widening and separating yourself from the people that you represent. You work for us. You're supposed to help us. So, not being able
to listen to us is creating such a disconnect which will harm the county even further. So, I do agree with coming back and looking at this a little bit later, but definitely not squelching our
voices. Thank you, Nya Gerard, Oakland Park. Um, so we get to vote and speak power to you and then when you are elected, we can't talk to you. What
you are telling us? You want us out loud for you, but when we get to you, don't talk to me. I don't want to hear your issues. I don't want to hear your problems. Do you don't find something
wrong with that? You don't want public engagement because you don't want to know when we're not upset about something or when we're happy about something. I've been teaching here 29 years. My sons graduated here. My grandchildren
graduated. Well, they're still in school. Um, I don't understand why you don't want me to speak. Why don't you want to hear what I have to say? When my grandson says something, why can't I bring it back to you? So you can look at it.
>> Thank you. Next speaker. >> Good morning, Liliana Reed of Broward Teachers Union. And I'm going to say Mr. Sea, you always have the right common sense. Thank you for speaking up, for caring for everyone. And also I want to say how contradicted you are at this
point. I'm talking about all the board members when it comes to limiting us from speaking. So you are a public servant. We are the public. We come here to bring you concern. We come here to fix problems. We are here because we are
the voice of the people out there who have no voice. So by you coming up and saying that we're going to be limited speaking or you're going to reduce the amount of people who are will be speaking in the future, it doesn't make you look good to begin with. And the
other part is how sad it is for me to hear that you the majority of you are teachers. First of all, second you forgot where you came from. Third, you know how many problems teachers are facing in the classroom every day and you trying to stop us. Not okay
>> speaker. >> Welcome you can begin your remarks. Welcome. >> How you doing? This is Rose McLar teacher union ESP vice president and I do support this motion to table it. One of the reason is this is the main issue
that public comment is not the issue. You spending more time talking about this agenda is the waste of issue. This is not effective. We talking about more even when we look at the data. We showing that the data that more majority of the time is the board speaking hours
and hours on one agenda on one thing and that's showing that effectiveness. So if you want to be more effective maybe you guys got to consider ways of being more effective on the board how you can get things done more efficiently and more better. But as in limiting the public
and limiting their comment is not the issue. So whoever brought this up is the issue. Good morning. Alan Bushkin, Sunrise, Florida. Yes, the public is not the problem. This needs to be tabled. I am in full support of it. There are a
number of issues that need to get fixed first. I see the timer going off on me. Miss Aladev said, "Why isn't the timer going off when you guys speak?" I think there's a whole bunch of items that need to be addressed procedurally. When I was getting set up this morning, one of the first things I said, and I don't know
who said it because I was out there signing up, this agenda is confusing. I can't agree with that more. Why would you want to put a public hearing inside a regular schoolboard meeting? Why isn't that a separate meeting all by itself?
And right now, I'm here speaking to you while I'm missing a work meeting that is also important to me. I think this is just important as well. So, please fix the other things first before the public. We're not the problem. Thank you. >> Hi, my name is Shafi Munav. I'm um from
BTU and I'm also an employee of Broward Schools. I want to remind all of you something. Do you know how many times I've been at the schoolboard meeting and public speakers come up to speak and then right after they share their concerns, the superintendent and various
schoolboard members will stop the meeting and say, "Okay, hold on. I need to talk to this person. This is a concern. This is an issue. It needs to be resolved immediately." See, the thing is that the public comes to you with their concerns. And instead
of bringing the public down, you should celebrate that they want to come here and share with you with what's going on with their concerns what they need to allow our school district to be successful. You are constantly speaking about how you care about our students
and our teachers. But yet again, here's a perfect example of that you really don't care because if you did, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Hi, Zyra Lentes. Deerfield Beach, the clock is working right on time. And Miss
Alade, you said that twice and the clock still wasn't going off. I don't get it. Um and um about the meetings and how long the public speaks on the ETH when this was a workshop, rural develop, whatever it was, the public spoke for 9
minutes. Y'all spoke for like five hours. So, I do support the motion. I hope that you guys really rethink what you're doing up here. Um, you can't say you want both things at the same time. You want
customer service, you want parental engagement, you want the children to come back, but then you say something else from the other side of your mouth. I used to call that back in the day two-faced.
Just saying. Get it together. Let's go. >> Let's go. Let's go. >> Kenneth Menchu Plantation. Mr. Sea, I need you to know I like that hat. I do support public speaker time. Thank you, sir. The rest of you, where's your hat?
Board members, please, please keep public speaker time the way it is. Last time I checked, in this country, we have freedom of speech. I cherish that right. I believe you all do, too. Limiting public speaker time gets in the way of the public from exercising their their speech. Don't do that to us. Don't
do it to the public. This isn't Cuba, North Korea. You ran to rep to represent your constituency. You can't do that if you don't allow us to say what needs to be said and what's on our mind. What are you guys thinking? Shortening public speaker time sends a bad message.
Thank you. I support the change. Jackie Luskan, I support anything that stops the madness, but it shouldn't take a public outcry, more reputational damage, and an embarrassing op-ed in the Sun Sentinel to get to this point. I appreciated Miss Thompson's um motion
too and the thought that had gone into it and the reflection that um some of you done, but um but we shouldn't be here. Mr. Pri Bruno Bruno told us last week, quote, this policy conversion is a major project. Unquote. So if it's a major project, I will also refer you to
existing policy 1164 on communication and public engagement, which states, quote, the public engagement loop has been designed for use only when a major initiative or new district-wide program is under consideration. Your schools are our
schools. You don't get to govern in an echo chamber or a public engagement vacuum. You are telling teachers and administrators they should engage with parents, but you don't have to. And teaching students about civics while saying that that you need to throttle public engagement at your own meetings.
Thank you. >> Hello, Nicole Morris, Coral Springs. Um, so over the years I have criticized a lot of things that's been done in this district, but one of the things that I've always complimented is our ability to have maximum amount of public participation, which you're right is not
happening around the the country and other school districts, whether it be looping, town halls, um, board meetings. You've always allowed us to come and and actively participate in the new initiatives and the policies that we rolled out. I would ask that that not be
drawn back when people are leaving Broward schools. It's not because there's too much public participation. Those are one of the things that we value. I would say also a 9:00 start time for people who are dropping off their kids at 8:00 and 9:15
is not um that's not going to be helpful to the public. Um and I would say to remember that we elected you to be the voice for us and to listen to what we are saying. And if you take that out, then you've taken what we've elected you
to do. Thank you. Hello, school board. Well, I came in to talk about something different. Chris Nelson and uh you guys are trying to take away free speech again. Really? Come on. Like, we've been through this a bunch of different times. I remember years ago when uh you try you you've
been trying this or people have been trying this for a long time. This is like the most fun I have like uh during the week. I had a day off today. Get to come down and talk. And really honestly, you guys were the last one to talk because it's really because of you guys that like these meetings run for hours
and hours and hours. You guys talk a lot. And uh you know, a lot of people, you know, we get to hear Natalie Lynch Bosch, we get to hear Anna Fusco talk. And uh I mean, you want to really take that away. you should be making policies that give uh that give more public
comment because I mean really like what would this school board be if we didn't get to come in here and share our grievances with you. Thanks >> Anna Fusco teacher union president. Um speaker time is still very limited but
we need to keep it as is until we can get some newly elected people on the board and maybe can get up there and make some positive changes that actually want to get the Brower County public schools out of the what is it $80 million problem?
>> Nobody got raises. You cut a thousand people. We're gonna have overclass size. We We have security issues of not enough. You cut our mental health. Do you see what you all should be doing? Those are the problems that you should
be solving and yet you want to worry about what's happening in this boardroom. Seriously, I chair my Broward Teachers Union meetings and people come in and and have the right to speak and say what they
want and we have to take it again. You said you wanted to do this. Do it and stop bringing things backwards. Thank you. Any other public speakers? Um I do we have a time certain for some
proclamations at 11 o'clock. So, um I do know that uh Miss Hixon, you had some people who were waiting in the audience. So, we'll uh just table this item for a few minutes so we can honor the people who are here. Um so, we will go back to
item 34, I believe, and uh I'll turn it over, Miss Hixon. >> Thank you. Thank you, chair. Um yes, it'll just be a few minutes. I wanted to take some time to recognize two amazing educators that have given over 40 years
of dedicated service to students. So, first I'd like to recognize uh I would like to give a proclamation recognizing Miss Deborah Ray Barisino for her 46 years of service, dedication, and
commitment to Broward County Public Schools. Miss Barcino, if you could come on up to the front. Um, so the proclamation reads, "Whereas Miss Deborah Ray Sparino began her teaching career in Hazel Crest, Illinois at Robert Frost Junior
High for five years before continuing her distinguished career in education at South Broward High School for the past 41 years. I'll just mention that Miss Bariscino was a teacher while I was attending South Broward and I had the pleasure of
being her her co-worker um once I I became a teacher as well. Uh whereas Miss Barcino taught home economics and culinary arts providing students with valuable hands-on educational opportunities preparing them with skills necessary for life success. And whereas
Miss Barino established the dual enrollment culinary program at South Bard High School, which allowed opportunities for students to earn college credit while in high school. And whereas Miss Barcino established the Pollen Grill, a small cafe in the school where culinary students would serve
meals to staff and families for various events and holidays, providing a full working experience in a restaurant environment. And whereas Miss Barcino was recognized by Broward County Public Schools as culinary teacher of the year for the 2223 school year. And whereas
Miss Barino was recognized as South Broward High School's teacher of the year in 2003 2004. And whereas Miss Baroscino was also recognized by ProStart as the teacher of the year in 2023 and 2026 for her strong mentorship
helping students make the connection between their present performance and their future career. And whereas Miss Barisino enabled thousands of students to earn the safe serve serve safe industry certification preparing them for viable careers in the culinary and hospitality industries. And whereas Miss
Berino dedicated long hours for 46 years to the field of education and positively impacted countless of students throughout her years of teaching. And whereas with the ending of the 202526 school year, Miss Barcino has now
retired from the Broward County Public Schools after 46 years as an educator and mentor, leaving her mark on the schools and students she taught over these years. Now therefore, it be proclaimed that countywide seat nine schoolboard member Deborah Hixon pre presents this proclamation to recognize
and honor Miss Deborah Ray Berino for her remarkable 46 years of service, dedication, and commitment to educating and inspiring our youth. Thank you so much, Miss Barino. We'll briefly reassess the meeting for a photo.
Hey, I don't think Okay. Um, board member Hixon has another proclamation, so you can go ahead. >> Thank you. The two Debbies. So, this is Debbie number two. Proclamation recognizing Miss Deborah K. bats for her
49 years of service, dedication, and commitment to the Broward County Public Schools, Broward County, Florida. Come on down. Whereas Miss Deborah K. Bats began her teaching career at Henry County High School in Newcastle, Kentucky for 16
years, then at Johnson and Wales University for one year, and then at South Broward High School for 32 years. And whereas Miss Bats taught early ed childhood education, allowing high school students to earn their child development associates, CDA, industry
certification while working hands-on with three to four year olds in a preschool with their within their high school. And whereas Miss Bats taught ex exploratory teaching and was an adviser for the Florida Future Educators of America for over 25 years, allowing
students to intern under staff members at their high school to gain real experiences within the classroom and school setting. And whereas Miss Bats was recognized in Kentucky by Carlton Business and Professional Women's Club in 1984 as a young career woman. And
whereas Miss Bats was recognized as woman of the year in 2013 by the Fort Lauderdale alumni panh helenic club, an organization that focuses on and supports educational opportunities for under youth privilege. And whereas Miss Bats was recognized as teacher of the
year in 2025 2026 from the South Bard High School, an award bestowed upon her by her co-workers for the exceptional educator she is in her field. And whereas Miss Bats has also dedicated herself to doing charity work with the Winterfest boat parade, helping to raise
money to further support children, education, arts, and water safety initiatives in the South Florida community. And whereas Miss Bats continuously went above and beyond mentoring her students, supporting her colleagues, and fostering a positive school and local community for everyone.
And whereas with the ending of the 202526 school year, Miss Bats has now retired from the Broward County Public School System after 49 years as an educator and a mentor, leaving her mark on the schools and students she taught over these years.
Now, therefore, it be proclaimed that countywide seat nine school board member Deborah Hixon presents this proclamation to recognize and honor Miss Deborah K. Bass for her remarkable 49 years of service, dedication, and commitment to
educating and inspiring our youth. Okay, we're going to recess for a photo and then we'll be back. Yeah. Heat. Hey, Heat. Heat. Heat. See, I see.
Yeah. Wo. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay, we have now resumed our special school board meeting. Board member Rupert also has a proclamation. So,
board member Rupert, you have the floor. Let's do it this way. Every hour, let's just go. I'll take care. and I want to leave the same way. So, um, today I bring a proclamation that I hope will open people's eyes. And I
forgot my little book up there. Sorry. And um it was important for me to do this because not only will it maybe stop some of the conversation that is going on around me, but also um it will help other people in this world. So, I have
been very blessed to uh have had the honor of sponsoring resolutions over the years for women's heart health, breast cancer, foster care, adoptions, tomorrow's rainbow, but this one today
is very personal to me and it is critically important for women to really listen. I'm not going to take the time to read the entire proclamation. and it's attached to the agenda, but autoimmune disease affects over 50 million
Americans, mainly women at 80%. And are among the top 10 leading causes of death in women under the age of 65. It acts differently in everyone and many people like me
have multiple systemic diseases at the same time. We need more awareness, more research and more hope for all of us. And if you are tired, if your bones ache, if you
can't see and your eyes are getting worse and the pain in your body and then it affects your red blood cells just had to get transfused. These things happen. Not everybody acts the same with this disease or any of the
autoimmune disorders. And then there's a very special group of them. They're called rheumatic autoimmune diseases and they are extremely difficult on the body.
I suffer from several at one time. So I hope this helps somebody, especially a woman. Eight out of 10 of us have an autoimmune disorder. That's a lot and we really need to know
more about it. So, um, if you're interested, you need more help, one of the particular autoimmune diseases I have is called Shoggrrens and it's in the lupus family. So, you can reach out. Um, I'd be glad to talk to you and I will be here through my
last meeting in October. Still fighting, but looking forward to having advocacy on this side of the podium as well. So, I thank you all today. Thank you. I'm sorry. Chair, I'd like to sponsor the
resolution. >> So, uh, board member um, will be sponsoring the resolution. I I am sponsoring as well. And I I Is there anyone else who would like to sponsor the resolution? I would like to sponsor the co-sponsor as well as Miss Hixon's proclamations as well.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. >> I believe Mr. SA. >> Yes, >> all right. And that's it, >> Jeff. I'd like to co-sponsor them all. >> There you go. And I am co-sponsoring all of them myself. >> Thank you. >> Okay.
>> All right, Madam Chair. I I also would like to co-sponsor Mr. Hixon's resolutions. >> Okay. >> Any other board member discussion? Chair, can we have a better process for proclamations if this is our standard
operating procedure now to have proclamations? Um, we don't need an answer now, but I think there's been several kuffles. So, thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other board member discussion on the proclamations?
All right. All uh in favor of item 34 say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> Thank you. >> Item 34 passes unanimously as amended
um with the co-sponsorships. All right. We will go back to item 56. We completed public comment on the substitute motion. Um so we'll go to board member comment. Dr. Zean, I have you on the list.
>> Thank you very much, chair. Uh, could you are we at the point where we're still talking about the U substitute motion? >> Sorry, say that again. >> Are we still discussing the substitute motion made by Mr. Sea? >> Yes, we are.
>> Terrific. I just wanted to to um speak in favor of it and look forward to the vote. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Hixon. Thank you. I I appreciate it, but I don't know that I want to wait until January to come back to to the item,
especially if we're in a process of um passing the different policies. But I I also wanted to speak to Miss Dup um Dupri Bruno. I think what you were asking us was did we want to just bring
back the policy as it is now instead of the other changes when it comes back to rulemaking. Is that what you were asking us? >> Yeah, that was one thing. And there's also um another legal issue that I'm trying to work through as well. Um and I
don't have an answer just yet, but I will hopefully shortly. Uh 1020 incorporated a lot of the new policies that um were related to 1020. Um the public participation portion of that
policy obviously is in 1020. I'm not I'm still waiting for the final decision on this, but it looks like we will not be able to just take out that public participation sunset the remainder of 1020. so we can
pass the other policies. It's very possible that we're going to have to um just start all over again with all of the policies for rulem. I'm waiting for confirmation from NEOA um just to make sure because that would be a substantive change and we would not be able to
sunset that policy. So I'm waiting to um get additional guidance on that on how we can proceed. >> Okay. Thank you. because I, you know, as was mentioned earlier, we spent a long time on the public participation part on 1020
um about a year or so ago and we we got to a place that I think was a good compromise for everyone. So, I'd like to see it just come back as it is now and then make some of those changes about the chair um having discretion at time
limits. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Other board member discussion on the motion or the substitute motion. Dr. Hoes. >> Madam Chair, uh could the substitute motion be repeated as well as the um prior motion?
>> The substitute motion was to table this policy until January after January no sooner than January 5th, 2027. The original motion on the floor uh I believe was from Miss Thompson to bring
back 169.1 for uh rural development. >> Okay. So, Madam Chair, I do have a concern uh with the substitute motion as far as the timeline. I am not sure what the January uh date um means as far as
why the significant delay. Um and um Miss Bruno, uh if you don't mind, Madam Chair, uh in bringing back these policies, what time frame do you need to bring this these back to us as far as getting answers to your concerns that you mentioned prior?
>> Well, it's really going to be um based on what the board's directive is. Uh we would have to do the legal notice again, which is for at least 28 days. and then depending on you know what the board wants to do in terms of its timeline how
it wants to proceed. >> Okay. So um so madam chair I will not be supporting motion based upon the timeline. I think January is a bit extended um but otherwise the spirit of the motion is is fine but the timeline
is not. >> Thank you. Um Mr. Sea >> January 5th just to address Dr. Holmes's concern was picked because it falls in 2027. If you'd like to propose an alternate date in 2027, I may consider it. But in
light of where we are with this, I think months I think at the very least we need at least six months to refocus ourselves, figure out u a way to address the litany of concerns within the current version uh of the policy. So if
you have another date in 2027 you'd like to propose, I'm all ears, but January 5th was just picked because that's the first date that the kiddos come back from school uh within the new calendar year. Madam Chair. Okay. So, um,
Miss Bruno, with this timeline as far as January, um, how will that impact because you're bringing to us significant number of policies over a period of time. Um, how will that impact what you're trying to do as far as
policy changes and adjustments with Niola? Are you comfortable with January? Will that have an impact on the objective that you've established in terms of revising these policies and the volume of these policies? Um that we are
looking at uh and and if January seems to be a bit extended, do you have a recommendation uh to the board? So I I for when to bring these um board
policies back. Um I don't necessarily have a recommendation. I do know that we have hundreds of policies that we have to get through. uh we have paid 100 for 140 hours and I asked Niola because it was
really 120 hours and I asked Nola for an additional 20 hours um to work with us um to get these hundreds of policies through uh it's a major project and it takes a lot of time to look at current
compared to the templates etc. So, it's really um the pace and whether or not we will meet those obligations. It's really up to the board. I can bring these policies back whenever you direct me to bring them back. I mean, it's really up to the board.
>> Understand? So, so Miss Bruno, I'm trying to understand impact, right? So, does pace impact our our financial cost to this? >> Yes, because if we don't make those hours, we will be paying additional time
to finish. Okay. So, >> and cost. >> Correct. So, if we if we adjust the pace, we're certainly going to adjust the cost, which is not going to be in our favor. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's true. >> Okay. So, uh I would So, Miss Bruno,
bringing these back in say the the upcoming school year in the fall, would would that be from your um from your opinion, would that be considered a reasonable pace? we can bring it up in the fall. Um,
there are other policies like the AI policies are also going to come in August. Um, so I can bring those policies in August and bring these policies back sometime in September. >> Okay. So, Madame Chair, if we're making that change, is this an amendment to the
substitute or do we have to vote on the substitute and then propose this change? >> Uh, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, attorney Dupri Bruno, but you can make a motion to amend the substitute motion. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I motion to amend the
substitute motion to regarding the timeline to be August >> August. >> Um, Miss, do you need a specific >> August 19th, I believe? >> So, we would have to restart the 28 days
and we'd have to legally notice. We'd have to and I'm I'm thinking that we may want two workshops and then one public hearing. >> Okay. So, Miss Bruno, will August be sufficient or do you need more time? I'm just trying to see how to amend the
motion based upon your guidance. >> August would be fine or September. >> Okay. So, I motion uh it appears to me that September might be the best. So, I motion to amend the substitute to the timeline of September. What date? Uh
15th is the board meeting on September. >> This September 15th. >> Yes, sir. >> Second. >> Uh motion made by Dr. Holus, seconded by Miss Thompson. Public comment on the motion to amend. >> Can someone please make sure the mic for
public comment is on? Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. I do not support this amendment. The reason for the initial motion is to give you time to sort yourselves out so that you're in
compliance with your own policies, state law. Um, and just as a side note, because I don't know what you guys are going to bring back the way it is now, unless Mrs. Hixon was saying to bring the current policy back as opposed to this faka business that is being
proposed. Um section 286.0114 requires members of the public to be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on a proposition. I have a Florida bar um article that explains how that gets impacted on situations like this where you amend and change and change.
So that's something you guys need to fix. So I do not support this. people will be gone. And again, why are you trying to get the public mad at you right before you vote on a we vote on a referendum? Think, think, chess, not
>> you. Next speaker. >> My name is uh Dr. Trudy Germanovich. Um I agree with Natalie's um heart or I heart for I agree completely with what uh she just said. I also think you are
still missing the point. You need to say, okay, here's a policy that the public's going to be interested in. So, we won't we will move those in September, October. I would say October would be better than September.
At least you have a month to actually prepare the public. You are not preparing people. If you have to do this, I don't know why you have to do it. I don't know why you can't just wait and do all the other ones. How you have
a hundred and some to do, do the other 60 or whatever, 70, however many it takes. >> Thank you. >> Zyra climbs lunches Deerfield Beach. What's the rush? Just curious. I mean, there's so many
policies you guys have on your website. I don't understand. This is why you shouldn't have put them all together. You shouldn't have turned them in, did the workshop the way you did cuz now look, now we got to backpedal again.
And doing it when parents aren't here and when you don't loop it like through advisories the way you're accustomed to doing, you want to change it. It's kind of hard to do that in Broward County really. The parents just really not going to go for it. Just so you know.
Referendum DOA. Jackie Luskam. I'm not in favor of um of September. Um I think you have got hundreds of policies you can be working on. I'm still unclear what the haste was with this one other than stumbling over
yourselves or or some thinking that it would be an opportunity to um diminish public input for the rest of the policym um I think there needs to be a steep learning curve here and I hope it's not an expensive one as well but I don't
believe that this NEOLA uh policy conversion because let's face it it's not even a review was embarked on with proper foresight and information and informed discussion. I went back on the board meeting you had where you nodded it through and there wasn't even a a
second of discussion and I think now maybe you were dazzled by what looked like a a decent platform but the actual process involved was not hashed out beforehand and that's where we're stuck now. I would I'd be in favor of sending this back to January.
Hello, Dana Sanders, resident, teacher, parent, BTU, chief of staff. Um, democracy is messy, and it's messy by design. It requires patience, and when controversial or complex issues arise, such as school resonings, historic
budget deficits, or massive district restructuring, the community naturally turns out in large numbers. Reducing time is precisely why more people show up. when precisely more people show up is completely backward. A complex educational issue cannot be effectively
summarized in 60 seconds. Squeezing a speaker's time forces people to rush through deeply personal stories often concerning their children's well-being or their own livelihoods. This board should not prioritize time over people.
They and alternative methods I can't with the alternative methods. They're insufficient. We are told that the public can simply send an email or submit a written uh comment online and those options are convenient but let's
be real. How many of us have hundreds of emails a day and things get lost, right? And people want the respect of looking you in the face and telling you what they think and how they feel. Um and for you to say that it's not worth more than
a minute is it's just disheartening. Um, and and really it does only damage public trust at a time when we desperately need to rebuild it. Thank you. >> Hello, Alen Bushkin again, Sunrise, Florida. And gosh darn it, you're making
me come up here and speak so much. >> I I just got to say, I heard something about, you know, yeah, we've got so many hours to work with Neiola. Okay, I'm going to make a huge assumption here. We know what that does. But you've got 120,
140 hours. I'm assuming that's a bucket. So when you use them, you take them out. You use them, you take them out. You have a balance left. So I don't see if you have that a lotment of hours and you use them appropriately, it's going to cost anymore. And if that's the case,
guess what? You've got a whole group of volunteers in public here. And not just quantity, you've got quality minds that'll be more than happy and have helped you with developing these policies over the years. There you go. Thank you,
>> Nicole Morris, Coral Springs. I am not in support of this motion. I do think we should not be in a rush to limit public um participation. I think that we need to give time to go through looping. I know when we begin our advisory meetings at the beginning of the year, we often do not start having uh the meat and
potatoes until October because we don't have our chairs in place and our members in place. So, I would say that we wait until we're into the school year so that the public fully understands what's going on with these new policies. Thank you. Anna Fusco, teachers union president. I
I think the rationale of why it was asked to to move it is to give you guys more time to have fruitful conversation. Whoever's working with you, that group that you guys have decided to pay an outside consultant with to do the job instead of the employees that we have
here in Broward County Public Schools. I want to talk about we're going to start tracking all the wasteful spending that you guys have approved. Pay attention. We're paying attention. You guys want to rush things through that are really important and then you have a group of
people that are making you rush to things to keep approving. Again, we're going to be using these terms wasteful spending a lot. We've got elections happening and we're trying to get the community to trust you again so we can get the referendum one. If that
referendum doesn't come through, I'm blaming you because you're rushing things and not doing what's right for the community that you say that you were elected to serve and uphold for our students. Pay attention. Thank you. Any other speakers?
All right. Board member discussion on the amendment. I have Miss Thompson. >> Thank you, chair. I just want to discuss the timeline because my understanding of Dr. for wholeness's motion is that it would start on September and then uh Miss Bruno said that would be two
workshops. So truly the timeline sounds like it's going to be about 3 months. So then we would be voting on this fully in January. Is that a correct assumption of the the timeline?
So we need to legally notice at least 28 days in advance. Um so if we start sometime in September, sometime in October, November is probably when the policies will come
before you for a final vote. >> Does that account for the recommended two workshops on it? >> Yes. So if you start like beginning of September, you'll have two workshops in September and then you'll have probably your adoption sometime in October,
November. I mean, I'm pushing it out by going into November, but really probably October or so because we typically don't have very many many meetings in November. I just for my understanding it would still come to a vote around Janu a final vote
around January >> if if the board's desire is to bring back these policies. So there's a vote in January we can do the calculation too you know that'll probably be starting in November going through December parts of January with a vote sometime in January
maybe even February. So my my reason for bringing this up is mainly just so the public understands the timeline and also the amount of workshop and and public engagement is going to be dur during this time. I think when you go past into January then you have winter break like
I think most people stop focusing in November. So if we do it in start the process in September then we're voting on it probably that week or so before winter break. If we go to a previous motion's recommendation of not starting
the process till January, then we would be voting for it around spring break, more or less. >> So yeah, that that's true. One thing for the board to consider, I just want to make sure that you put this in your
calculus, there's going to be other policies that may not go smoothly. I like again AI we have a whole slew not just the one AI policy but we have an acceptable use for students acceptable use for employees technology use social
media etc et like a packet of almost like 15 to 20 policies all dealing with AI that has to go through there's going to be a packet that's dealing with employee discipline with um student discipline with student programs I mean
these are substantive policies that a lot of them you currently do not have in your policy book. A lot of them right now you are probably not in compliance with everything that you're supposed to have with regards to a policy. So keep
that in the back of your mind that we we going to have to move this along or we will not be able to adopt all of the policies we need to by our deadline of June 30th. We we're just not going to be able to do it. If we're going to if we
if if we're going to go through these processes where you know there's going to be all these hiccups, we're looking at passing these policies maybe in three years. I'm being very realistic with you. That's not that's not normally the
process. You have a workshop um you have, you know, one-on ones with the board members. You go through all their thoughts. You have a workshop where you delve into it more. You make the red lines and the corrections. You have additional one-on- ones with the board members. And then you go to final
adoption. And this is a bulk of 30 policies. You're going to have 70 plus policies some sometimes coming to you at one point. So I just want to point that out because that's very important for you to know. The what we have embarked
in is a true labor of love mission that's going to take time. >> So I think I need to expand on something you said. You said we're not in compliance. >> Yes. >> But what does that mean? >> So there are some policies that, you
know, based on um statutes that have passed within the past, you know, 10 decades or so, and I'm just going by, you know, the ones that I'm will be familiar that you don't have in your books. Um there are some policies in your books that you haven't touched
since 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010. You know, in my I was responsible for policies in my past life. Every year there was a slew of policies coming to the board to make sure that you are
statutoily in compliance. That was my job to make sure you are always in statutory compliance. So, I'm looking at your policy books and I would and I know that you embarked on a big project last year to, you know, using a law firm to assist you and that staff did a lot of
work, herculean work to try to get you there, but that didn't happen. I know that you reviewed policy 1020 last year and you did there was a lot of this where you did workshop, public hearing, workshop, public hearing, work and you never really, you know, finalized it is
my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong because I wasn't there. So, I'm just warning the board that we spent $138,000 to hire Niola, which is an expert in this field to provide us with templates to help us get compliant with the
policies. And then at the same token, there's a timeline and there's a number of hours that I have. Once that's expended, we will have to be paying NEOA extra. So what are the ramifications of not
being in compliance? So if there's a policy that um the statute says you need to have a policy that says this and you don't have it um the auditor general can come down say I want to see your policies that you know reflect this
particular statute you don't have that that's going to be an audit finding you can have a policy that doesn't have the updates that was supposed to have auditor general comes down the Florida Department of Education comes down where is where is this policy? Why doesn't it
have this additional language? Are you even doing the processes related to that language? You can have a finding. The United States Department of Education can come down and review your policies because some of these are federal laws. So you have federal laws, statutes,
regulations. You have state laws and regulations and you have case law that comes out every single day. new laws are being created and it's our responsibility to make sure that our policies are always in compliance.
>> Thank you for expanding on the importance of the timeline and potential ramifications. Um, you did also mention that there were several policies that might be as um engaging as this one like
our AI policy and um I think employee discipline um knowing now seeing this experience would you recommend or put in the timeline that those policies that will get more
engagement would get two workshops first so that we don't revisit this. >> We we will certainly um review how we're bringing the policies forward. Um my
concern is still I can have five workshops and if the board does not make a decision then I'm still back to square one where I began. So the it's not necessarily the quantity um because I I believe the board is very familiar with
all the policies the changes etc. So it's not really that it's the it's moving the process along so that we can complete our project within the time that is required. >> Thank you. And that was just a thought process. So thank you for that feedback.
And then did you get a response from Niola on if we pull 169.1 if we can move forward with the rest or do we have to restart everything? >> The recommendation, the best option that I have right now is just to restart
everything. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Seivera. We're going round and round on on the timing of when this should be brought back and whether it should be this year or next year. Um,
I'm going to pose a question to my colleagues as we ultimately decide on on the time frame here on these substitute motions. Are we not listening to what everyone is saying on this? Nobody wants this. This
is universally hated. I would challenge anyone on this dis to forward me one email or text message that you receive from a constituent saying they they're in support of this or they think this is a great idea that we're stifling the free speech rights of people who want to
come in here and talk to us. Now, I admit my motion was very reactionary to what Miss Thompson said because listen, to me it's a win if we can kick this down the road for another six months. But at the end of the day, we have to listen. Nobody wants this.
Why are we pushing for this? Because Niola thinks it's a good idea. Pay attention to the people who put you up here. Nobody is in favor of this. We should talk about this in 2032. That's when we
really should talk about this. I'm not in support of Dr. Holes's motion. I think at the very least if we're going to play kick the can, this should be brought to 2027. But again, think of the big picture here. You're
making decisions on something that the answer is very clear. Nobody wants this and you shouldn't want it either. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Bulman. Thank you.
Um thank you for the clarification and obviously there's a hiccup in the process which was you know taken on in good faith and you know listening to the public listening to the colleagues I think that there has been
um and also you know like when we originally got it the idea of the three minutes as the limit was a little difficult I think for a lot of the people to swallow. So you know that it was one part of a very large um group of
policies. So as we revisit this now though having listened and reflected on how the you know how we want to move forward. I don't I don't agree that we need to stop
the process because we want to make a change in one portion of the policy and particularly if we're out of compliance with a lot of other things and particularly if we have um AI which is coming whether we want it or not we need
to have those policies. So I I disagree that nobody wants this. I think nobody wants the limitation the the speakers here particularly don't want the limitations on the public speaking. I don't disagree with that. I think that
there needs to be um revisions to that policy obviously. Um but going forward it's our responsibility to make sure that we're in compliance and that we're moving forward with the with the process. And I personally think that the
Neola process is responsible um in general because we have all the support and we're not just throwing trying, you know, like trying to make it up as we go along. This is a true tried and trusted process. And we obviously have some um
considerations where we would take a Broward approach versus a statewide approach. And I think, you know, we've had a robust conversation about that today as well. So, um, I I support moving this forward,
taking into consideration the feedback that we're getting about the public speaking, but I don't see why we would have to stop everything until 2027 um because of because of the one thing I I think we can address that as we're going to address everything else and
just continue to move forward. Is there any issue that you see with with that? And I guess what if we have to stop this book of policies, we would really just be bringing this
one policy back to to discuss because we've essentially decided already what we want to do with the rest of them. The the issue is that they're intertwined with 1020. So you don't want
to have two policies that are competing in nature. >> No. And I and I understand that. But when we go back, will it really take that much time to go if we schedule to to address this packet? We're really going to be looking at the one thing that we haven't been able to agree on
yet that we need to change. Um, how does that look if we're if we're doing that? Does that put us behind with all of the rest of the policies or is that something that can we bring those at the same time? >> So like I so we can bring like AI has to
come forward. Um the the plan was to bring your next set of board policies forward. Um we have there's so many normally you would start with the board policies first because the board when I say the board policies that used to be the bylaws you would start with that
first because that's the operating part of the policies and then you would move to the other chapters. Um but there are so many other policies we can bring them. Uh the only thing is that I foresee that this is probably not going to be um the first hiccup. So, the board
just needs to help flag those, if you will, and really um figure out how it's going to deal because I can I can already tell you the AI is probably going to be a policy that's going to have a lot of public feedback and you know, and that your employee discipline.
I mean, there's just I there's policies that are coming that is that's going to happen, >> right? And I so I think um like the AI policy is pressing because it's something that's happening whether or not we like it. So, we really need to be on top of that. So, I don't want to
delay addressing things so that we're not being responsible and having a policy in place um as quickly as possible. So, I guess the question I'm just asking, can we move this forward and
still continue on the track of moving if if we determine that the AI policy is the most important that we need to address immediately, you know, for the beginning of the school year. I'm not sure what you say by what you mean by move this forward. >> If we're if we're you if we're still
if if we you know have another two workshops on the current group of policies that we have before us today. Are we able to also move the another group of policies forward or are we going to have to wait until we get
through this and delay ourselves months before we start to address like the AI policy while school's starting and we have pressing AI concerns that we need to >> so address >> you can you can bring whatever groups of policies you want forward we certainly
can do that um just bear in mind that capacity So you're going to be dealing with 30 something even though you've kind of gone through most of them but you still have 30ome policies. The AI related policies and the AI policy that's
probably going to be another 15 to 20 policies. Um you have some you you just have different batches that are going to be coming. So your volume is going to increase. So instead of looking at 30 you're going to be looking at 60 70 100. And that's going to happen at some point
anyhow. you're going to have bigger batches, but we can do whatever the board directs us to do. We're willing to do that. >> I mean, for me, I think we move this along because I think we have heard from the public and we know um you know, I
know what I want to do with that and then we continue to move along with the next set as well. That's my opinion. >> Thank you, Miss Rupert. Thank you. Just a quick question. Um, what specifically is out of compliance
with 1020? >> 1020 is not necessarily a compliance issue. There there are other policies that are com um you're out of compliance or are missing in your policy book. 1020 has some things. For example, um the
agenda item. we were changing how agenda items are placed um you know versus the double O and the single so we have one in the beginning so there are different things in terms of more and that's what I was saying most of the time you bring
your board related policies your board functioning your governance policies first and that sets the tone for the rest of the policies to come forward because those policies are your operational governing policies on how you actually conduct your business if
that makes sense. >> It does. I I think what would help is if um you could at at some time give us a a list of those compliance issues um per policies, you know, as an asterric. I
know that we've kind of had a sequence of how they're coming along and just to make sure that this sequence is um really focused on what's out of compliance. Um because I you know that
we don't want to be out of compliance, but we also don't want to be uh forced into a position of moving forward with something just because we're trying to hit a deadline. So I for me it would be helpful to have that list of those initial things that we need to do for
compliance for whatever items they are for what policy. Okay. Thank you. I'd appreciate that. >> Thank you Dr. Holes. >> Thank you Madam Chair. So um you know certainly um every delay uh is a cost.
um with the September 15th date uh as mentioned this will be voted on likely in November and this batch of policy is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a whole lot more coming and you know
efficiency is contingent on our pacing with these policies which impact uh cost. So, as Miss Bruna mentioned, this could take now 3 years if we don't keep up with our pacing, which will be that would be three times the cost, Miss
Bruna, wouldn't it? >> It will definitely add significant cost to the >> It will add significant cost, right? So, we did hear the public's input as far as the the um meeting um uh the public
comment timing. Um, I believe moving forward at a good pace is important because it's going to end up costing us a whole lot of money with all of these policies. So, I don't really
see um, you know, why we would need to go into next year. I think if we if the process starts September 15th, the vote takes place November, we would be on a good pace without having to pay more to Niola. Um, and it doesn't mean it
negates the public's comments today because certainly we hear the public comments today. Uh, I believe other board members may have additional suggested changes that may be outside of what we discussed today. Uh, so I don't see why we need to delay this to 2027
knowing for sure this is going to cost us more money, knowing for sure that this could extend us into multiple years. Um, and we don't have money, you know. So, I am encouraging the board because I don't really see the impact
negatively starting September 15 voting in November as opposed to starting January. The impact is going to be cost and we should try to avert that by moving ahead at a good pace. So, I hope the board will support it. >> Thank you, Mrs. Alhadaf.
So the board often gets faulted for kicking the can down the road and the board uh years ago was possibly going to do Niola and decided not to and they decided we decided to go in a different direction and now we are here today with
Niola and so this process is is important and it obviously we have a timing. One of the things, general counsel, that is a huge red flag for me today is that you're telling us that we
are not in compliance with certain policies. So to me, I don't know if that's all these policies here today, if there's 100 policies still in the pipeline that we're not in compliance of. What I would
ask the board is that we ask general counsel that whatever those policies are that we're not in compliance with that they are a top priority to be approved by this board stat. It should have been today. And again, I
don't know how many that is, but I would like a board followup to know exactly what the policies are that we're not in compliance with and and the names and numbers and then when they're going to be brought forward to us. The problem we have today and and I'm
not processing Mr. Depri Bruno, why we can't vote on all the policies except for one policy on public participation. Why does that one policy hold us back?
>> It's it's the way the rule making process is designed pursuant to Florida statute 120.54. Um, basically when you it's the same thing we were talking about earlier in terms of technical changes and substantive changes. when you in order to move the other
policies, there's some of those policies that are also embedded in your current 1020 policy, such as agenda, for example. That's one. So, in order to move forward with your new agenda policy, you have to sunset 1020 that contains your current agenda policy. And
that's why we are not able to because we can't sunset the entire policy. So, we'll have to go through that rule making process again. And then going back to your other requests because I just want to be very transparent. Um I am not going to be able to go through
the 600 NEOA policies that we have and compare it to your 286 policies to make a determination completely as to what is not in compliance. There's no way. I'm doing it by sections. I'm trying to go
as quickly as I possibly can, but that's that's a a large task and I can't do all of it at the same time and then review all of the Florida and the United States regulations and statutes. I have to do it step by step by step. I'll try to do
the fires like I know AI is a fire. >> We have to quarum. >> Audience members, if you need to have a conversation, please step out so we can hear the discussion. I'll try to do it step by step and try
to get the fires as much as possible in front of the board. And then as I shared prior, the Neola pro um process is to go through chapters one at a time. So right now we were going through chapter 000000
and then we will go through the other chapters. They don't necessarily piece meal um policies to target this or target that. You have to go through their process. So maybe this comment might be pertinent to the agenda today, someone's item, but
why can't we use AI to cross reference these policies with compliance and state statute? >> Very good question. So I had that conversation, believe it or not, with Niola yesterday, and they u told me that we have a contract. their templates are
copywritten and in the contract it specifically says that you cannot put their policies into um a what is it large language um model um that will be able to get their their content and train their um company. I just had that
conversation with them yesterday evening. So we are not allowed to do that. >> Okay. So on page 35 of 92, policy 0169.1, is that the only policy that is having
issues today? >> The 0169.1 the public participation. That's my understanding. >> Okay. Then I would recommend to the board that we look at this policy today, go back, change it back to what it was
previously, if that's or if there's parts of it that we can move forward with and let's move forward. Let's move on because we're just kicking the can down the road and and this board is often faulted for not taking action. So,
let's take action today. We have already spent hours on this. Please don't call out from the audience. Miss Hixon, I just had a quick question on timing. Um September 15th is the actual board
meeting and you said that these would come to workshop. So can this item be brought back if it's going to be brought back on the 15th or do we need to pick a different date because that's a regular schoolboard meeting.
So, if we target uh September 15th for the final adoption, then I'll have to work with um the administration to figure out the dates for the workshop. >> I don't think I think the idea was to to the first time it's coming back to be
September. So, >> September 15th. >> Yeah. So, that's a regular schoolboard meeting, not a workshop. >> Okay. So, we can pick another date and we we have specific Nola workshop dates, but I'm going to have to add a second one. >> Okay. only because the item that's on
the floor says September 15th. So I just wanted the maker of the motion. >> Right, madame chair. So the September 15th was provided as a date based upon staff input that that would have been the first meeting. Uh the assumption is
it was a workshop. So um the first workshop in September would be fine. >> Okay. So you want to amend your motion? Um, can I get a date for the first workshop in September? >> The first workshop in September is
September 8th. >> Okay. So, the motion is amended uh to the first workshop in September, which is September 8th. >> We need a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Oh,
so b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b beside that amendment, Miss Aladv um made a good point and just asked the the general counsel because that was kind of what I was asking before. If we just said for the new policy 1.06, 06 what I
mean 0.162.1 I think it is that instead of what's here we just want to put what is in 1020 there would that also require us to to go to the new part I mean that would be a whole new motion I think we have to
dispose of these but I just want to know if that's some a new motion that comes forward we would just be able to do that like notice post it 28 days and then just vote on it that way.
>> So if you want to keep your current 1020 policy as is, there's nothing that you need to do. You don't have to bring it back. You can just keep 1020. >> Okay. So that would be a motion that we would need to to make. I I don't we can't have too many motions on the
floor. So I'm just asking what the protocol would be. >> Miss Dupri Bruno, I have a question about that. So if we just keep 1020 as it is that means that all of the other changes and all the other policies also don't uh we just don't convert to the
new policies then right >> for anything related to 1020. >> Miss Thompson >> I would like to call the question on Dr. Holes's motion to move this to a rule development workshop on whatever day in September 8th.
>> Second. All in favor of the qu calling the question say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Uh motion passes. All in favor of Dr. Hoes's motion say I. I. >> All oppose say no. >> No. >> Roll call please. >> Roll call on the motion. School board
members Bowman. >> Yes. >> Sea. >> No way. >> Hixon. >> Yes. >> Honus. >> Yes. >> Leonardi. >> Yes. >> Rouper. >> Thompson. I'm sorry. Can I >> get back into your mics, please? Zean,
he passed. Is he on the line? Dr. Zean, I see you're on the line, but you're muted. >> I apologize, John. Yes. >> Aladdes 63.
>> All right, Miss Dri Bruno. Um, does that dispose of the the item then since we're going to restart rule development? >> Yes. So, um, just officially, Dr. Heburn, if you want to just pull that item, make sure it's clear. >> Yes. Um, want to pull item 56 from the
agenda. >> Okay. We will now >> Dr. Zean. >> Um, I might have heard things wrong, but I don't think so. I think we just voted on calling the question, right? >> We voted on calling the question and then we voted on the motion.
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>> Second. >> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Mrs. Alhadaf. Public comment on item 65. I have 13 speakers uh signed up. So I'll read five names at a time. If you could approach the mic uh or approach the
podium when you hear your name. Brookie, Anna Fusco, Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Shafisa Munab, Zyra Clims Lynch. >> Hello Zyra climbs lunches. Um, Madame Chair, superintendent, and school board members, I'm here to speak in in strong
support of board member Sea's proposal to place an immediate pause in the district-wide implementation of Magic School AI. This isn't about being anti-technology. It's about protecting our students, teachers, and our taxpayers. As detailed in the document,
we cannot afford a fullcale roll out without clear answers on student privacy, data security, and the true fiscal cost to this district. Trust is built on transparency, not on rushing unvetted platforms into our classrooms.
We need to hit the pause button until the district district addresses three critical areas: student security and parent rights. We must have an ironclad cyber security assessments. Parents deserve complete transparency regarding
what data is collected and explicit rights to review or opt out. Equity and accessibility. We must evaluate and how this platform's impacts our most vulnerable learners, including ESC and Esau students. Artificial intelligence
must never replace the highly specialized human- centered instruction these students require. Teacher autonomy. AI should never be an option op optional support tool. We must ensure it does not undermine or replace a teacher's professional judgment,
classroom autonomy, and lesson design. Let's not fasttrack a trend just to be number one at the expense of our children's privacy and our educators autonomy. Please vote yes on this item. Let's pause, investigate, hold public workshops and forums, and put the
necessary place guard safeguards in place first. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker, >> Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. Um, I don't know why I thought this item was going to come much earlier
in the day. Uh so I support the item strongly and um before the district embarks in AI, you need to look again at policy 6313 which
governs research and program evaluation studies. I don't know if anyone on the AI task force is aware of this policy. I suspect not since staff did not include the policy anywhere in the item from I think last week, but you need to become
um this addresses a lot of Mr. Sea's concerns about uh things like informed consent. Um you cannot implement AI without the parents knowing. And I don't mean sending them something to tell them
what you've already done to their kids. it's that you they have to consent before it happens. So I support it um because you need to pause and really really really
do due diligence um on AI and any other whether it be policy AI or anything else. Um due diligence matters some there's it's never faster, it's never cheaper and it's never better. So I support the
item. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker. >> All right, I'll call the next five speakers. Alan Bushkin, Dana Sanders, Jackie Luskum, Dr. Trudy Dermanovich, and Jennifer Debon. So, if you heard your name, please
approach the podium. Good afternoon, Alan Bushkin. Sunrise. I am in full support of Mr. Seivera's proposal to put this on pause. I think first and foremost, I think we've been reminded by the general counsel that there are still a number of policies
that don't exist yet regarding AI. Looking at the presentation, I think in one of my committee reports, I also asked you all some metrics. I did not see anything inside that presentation that was demonstrable.
What has been shown to you guys that prove to you that AI is safe? Have you tried to break any of those tools? Have you tried to break through the guard rails? Has any of that been done? Has any of this been broken down by grade band as far as what's appropriate?
Our K through three, four and five, our middle schoolers, our high schoolers, what has been deemed appropriate for them? How is that going to be used in the classroom? These are all important considerations
that need to be taken. I don't know how else to say that this needs to be thought through very carefully. I've spoken to a few teachers and they said, "Yeah, we've gotten some training on how to use AI during the last 10
minutes of a meeting. How was that useful? How is that valid? How many other training sessions have happened like that? Do you guys know of any training sessions that have occurred? What was delivered in those to our faculty that are supposed to be
using these tools and teaching our students? These are questions that y'all need to ask and you all need to get answered. Thank you. Welcome. >> Thank you, Jackie Luskin. Um Debbie
Hixon said earlier that we rarely come or you wish we would come to the microphone more and talk about things we like. So, I'm going to talk about something I like and it's the AI um initiative uh with with caveats. I totally share and or understand concerns
from folks who have concerns about it. Um I support this motion in that I think it could help lay rest some concerns and structure the forward path more visibly for the public. Um I think you need to set a time scale and set an urgent one.
I think instead of fuffing around for hours over policies about doing public input, you could have been using that time more um fruitfully for having making a start on um setting a pathway
for policym for the AI um policy which is crucial and getting that on a fast track could have helped preempt um some of the concerns that are out there. I'm not diminishing anybody's concerns. Everybody has legitimate right to um to
be to be fearful, to be probing, to be asking questions, and to be making these incisive comments. So, I'm not dissing on that. I just feel that if some of those questions had been taken with urgency and responded to, have a web page, have a manual, have a report, all
the things that I've tried to suggest at technology advisory. Um use your technology advisory. um have webinars, have parent demonstrations online where they can see a cursor moving across the page what it is their kids are going to be provided access to this what I've
seen I love um have demonstrations take it around all the advisories show us the training plan show us the capabilities um have a Q&A on the website and a plan for communication and parent outreach and really as well getting on top of the
myths I think of the four big asks in Mr. Seivera's report um where he talks about um the need to ensure that student data is protected, that teachers remain in control of instruction, that inappropriate and harmful content is
effectively blocked, and that implementation won't undermine student learning, critical thinking, or sound education. Staff could answer those right now. Let's make a start on answering those rather than just saying, "Well, let's let's make a plan to make a report to do this and that." Let's start
writing that down. Let's start getting it on a web page, busting myths, showing people what some of the realities are so that the concerns can be boiled down to what still is a legitimate problem and an issue that needs to be hopped over, got around, guaranteed, and secured, and
what's not. Thank you. Hello, Chris Nelson. I'm from Fort Lauderdale and I'm very glad that board member Sea brought this up because there's been a lot of times when the district has been very excited about a new trend and it turned out to be a bust
and a real problem. If you all remember FTX by any chance, but it's great to take a look at this and see really what we're doing. First, I want to bring up our state is currently in litigation with ChatGBT and its founder Sam Alman
for engaging in deceptive practices, prioritizing profits over public safety, and ignoring internal warnings regarding the risk AI poses to minors. Um, there's a probe into whether Open AI shared responsibility for the April 2025
Florida State University mass shooting where chat logs revealed the alleged gunman used chat GBT. uh kids, these loners are not only hitting these uh weed pens the can get at any of these vape shops. They're sitting there with
chat GPT and treating it like a therapist and in some cases it's advised them to kill themselves and then they've done it. I mean you got to think like does this does AI really mean good all
the time? It's really garbage in, garbage out. And we've all seen the movies. I mean, it kind of it's it's not necessarily it's not necessarily going to have a conscience. Okay? So, you need to look at that. And then, um,
secondly, with you got to there's now this push for AI charter schools. Okay? You know, you're having your financial difficulties now. Imagine no schools, no brick and mortar,
no teachers. Children are being taught via screen or via those uh AI goggles by an AI teacher and not even going to school. This is what is being proposed
for the future of teaching. In Chicago, they're now opening their first AI charter school and these are coming to Florida. So, this is something really to look at. Remember how much everybody loved the not having in-person learning in 2020 to
2021? Well, school serves another purpose to socialize people, to do athletic training, to sports, music. These things are all very important and would be possibly cut completely out of
the loop. So before you dive into this and embrace it, you really need to look at this and look at where this is going and really set up some boundaries for how you want the district to proceed
with AI going forward. Thank you. >> Hello, my name is Jennifer Devon. I'm a Coral Springs resident, a parent of a second grader, and I'm here to support the PAS on the Magic School AI. First, I want to express my immense gratitude to Mr. Sever, Miss Leonardi, Miss Thompson, Miss Hicks, and Miss Otoff, and Miss
Rupert. Thank you for taking the time to engage in these critical conversations about educational technology and generative AI at BCPS. You've been incredibly generous with your time listening to a passionate parent who loves what technology can do, but firmly believes our children must be allowed to form foundational cognitive skills
before we introduce generative automation. I'm looking forward to having more open, meaningful conversations with the rest of the rest of this board. None of us can predict the exact future of work, but we can all agree we want our children to have the skills of the future. Paradoxically, as
we look as we break more technological boundaries, the premium on raw human capability is skyrocketing. There is an increasing importance on solid analog foundations. The future doesn't require children who know how to prompt AI. It requires adults with cognitive
endurance, critical thinking, and analog problem solving skills that no machine learning model can simulate. From a cognitive developmental standpoint, AI in inter an AI interface cannot build neural pathways. In fact, outsourcing
the fundamental struggle of writing, calculating, analyzing to an algorithm actively prevents those pathways from forming in a developing brain. For too long, the edtech industry has prayed on institutional anxieties regarding academic and professional preparedness.
They commercialize student data and addict administrators to superficial dashboard metrics under the guise of predictive success. Meanwhile, public's tax dollars are continuously siphoned away to private entities. Every dollar
BCF spends or is don donated or not on unproven generative AI or edtech licenses is a dollar we steal from proven interventions such as reducing class sizes and ensuring our teacher salaries keep up with the pace of the cost of living. Research studies
consistently show human-led small classroom environments not software interfaces are what drive true academic achievement. I urge this board to pass this item to pause the magic school AI implementation BCPS and let us apply a critical data-driven eye to how we
allocate our limited resources ensuring we prioritize our students cognitive safety, data privacy, and genuine academic success. Thank you. >> Hello. Hello everybody. Dana Sanders, uh Davey, Florida. Um, yes, pause AI.
Absolutely. In fact, get rid of a lot of it that we have. Um, we don't need more technology and I AI in our classrooms. We're flooding schools with software, yet student performance continues to decline. Educational research shows that
every hour a student spends on a school device, 38 minutes are completely lost to offtask behavior. More and more studies are showing the correlation between an increase in technology and a decrease in student learning. More importantly, let's look at our financial
reality. Broward County Public Schools is facing a massive 80 90 I don't know how many million budget deficit. Uh the board just voted to cut a thousand jobs including vital school shelter workers, counselors, support staff. If this
district is in such severe financial distress, then why are we forcing that we are forcing layoffs, why on earth are we spending taxpayer money on expensive tech contracts and software licenses? Yes, I know that there's a grant for this one for what, a year, two, who cares? Cuz what's going to have to
happen after that? It's millions of dollars. And you know what else is going to happen? New AI is going to come out. Then we're going to have to keep up and buy that one. It's never going to end. Do you want to know what we do need? teachers, experienced, dedicated
teachers to teach students. A chatbox cannot inspire a struggling child, manage a classroom, or provide emotional support. Software cannot replace a teacher. True learning requires human connection, direct instruction, and
trusted mentors. Stop funding tech programs. start investing in people, the people who are actually in charge of shaping our youth, my kids, your kids. We don't need technology. If it was that
easy, everyone would be at home with AR or whatever and we wouldn't need teachers at all. And it teachers job is to teach. That's literally our job. But we have to be there. You know what? We need more of paper, books,
reading material that they can underline in, actual pencils and paper that they could write things on, not more computer programs, computerized tests, AI, this and that. You need to focus on what's important, and that's teachers. And I
know that you say most of your budget is spent on people. You know what? Your whole budget should be spent on people if it's not adequate. but it definitely shouldn't be spent on extra AI programs.
Thank you. My name is Dr. Trudy Germanovich and I'm a bit conflicted on this one. Um, I'm 80 and I love AI. I want you to think about this. We
really can't go backwards. and I really appreciate you bringing this item so we can discuss this. I also was taking a look at the student um representative here and she looked
kind of bewildered because she showed us what high school kids are already doing. What's lacking here is a plan and that seems to be something that happens in this district all the time.
So a pause I wouldn't call it. I would call it preparing to to implement or something like that because there are pockets out there that are doing this already in the schools and they're
probably doing a great job. Why are you not hiring teachers this summer to write a good scope and sequence curriculum? I'm sure there's out those out there that you can use to
develop this. Why didn't you hire teachers this summer? You still have time. You have a whole month. You will find teachers that need the money. I think also again, you're doing things backward like
you did this morning. Why wasn't the AI policy being the first one we when we got that grant? Why wasn't that the first policy you addressed? That was the one that needed to be done.
So work on that. I know it's coming, but I don't know how quickly. So, I would set this up so that the schools that want to use it can be the quote pilot sites,
but let it be a decision of the teachers in the school and the sack committee. Have it go through the parents and the teachers and let them be your pilots. Thank you.
Hi everyone, Shafi Munab, employee and BTU representative. Um, I wanted to talk to you about why why is it that in Barrow County schools we are flying a plane while we're
building it? Why why do we keep making mistakes that hurt our educators and most importantly our students? Why are we not doing our due diligence to begin with? You know, this policy if passed will
directly affect our teachers and our students. I encourage all of you to look at the AFT guardrails. You simply have to Google AFT guardrails. It will come up with a list of guardrails that teachers and students and organizations
such as our school district should be following. If you look at the policy that's you are trying to pass that Mr. Seivera is against it violates every single standard in the AFT guardrails. I want you to look at it very carefully in
particular the student data privacy cyber security and vendor risk. I've been here long enough to know that when a few years ago, not a few years ago, about six years ago, when we had a data breach, it wasn't only my data that
was breached, but because my children are on my insurance, their data was breached, too. And so, I take this very, very seriously. This company has not been completely vetted by the school district.
It is extremely important that is vetted and has everything legitimized and our student data along with our teacher data is protected. It is a huge concern. Finally, if you look at any AI tool,
it is updated on a monthly basis. Magic School is no different. But you know what is different? C-Pilot. Co-pilot that we already have. co-pilot that has a lesson pa plan section an agent for our teachers to use co-pilot
that we already own the sources for that that we are already paying for. So we do not need to implement something new when it's already there. You know why teachers aren't using it? Because they are not trained on it. It was something that was pushed down their throats and
said here use it. They're not trained. Not every single teacher in the school district was legitimately trained. It is extremely important that if you ask an educator to even voluntarily use a new product that you legitimately train them
to use it efficiently. Because at the end of the day, it's not your lives that's in jeopardy. It's our students education. Therefore, the future of the state and the nation. So, please make wise decisions. Thank you.
Hello. Greetings, Devon Lee, BR County residents. I would just like to encourage everyone to consider pausing AI until you find out more information and truly understand what you're getting into.
It's very important that you have the proper guard rails and truly understand what AI is. AI is not smart. It's a machine. And what it does, it can literally take all of the information
and pick out what you want. And that could be a good thing and it could be a bad thing. It skims the internet. Someone can go on the internet and use their AI to look for something and it can have a variety of sources, some
legitimate sources and some unsavory. We do not want students getting their information for papers and research from sally May's blog page thinking that is a fact when it is only an opinion. So, we
need to make sure that they know what is what. They need to be able to be responsible to use it and not just getting on AI because they didn't do their homework last night and they have
a paper due. So, they go into chat GPT and have chat GPT write their paper. And you know this is already happening now because I have seen some essays from young people and have actually read them. And when I have read them, I
stated to myself, "This child does not speak this way. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that they would honestly write this way. Most people write in the manner that they speak. And true, you can switch it up, but when you have
vocabulary words that you do not use and probably do not even know how to spell, the chances are very slim. Many children will take advantage of this and then they're going to have your educator so bogged down with all of the
work that they have to do and get done. Will they be able to really put their eyes on it to see if that child's work is legitimately theirs and that AI did not do it for them? There are many things that need to be
looked into when it comes to AI. It can do some wonderful things, but you have to have the guard rails in place not only for yourselves but for the young people because it does more harm than good when you put something in place
which they are not ready for because you will then have a group of students going through school and they're not able to accomplish anything. You already know young people who lose their mind when their cell phone goes off.
>> Thank you. And there were some additional speakers I have not had a chance to call yet. Um Lisa Reyes, Heather Vasquez, and Nicole Morst. Lisa Reese from Parkland, Florida, former educator with a masters in
educational technology. And I have two children in BCPS. I support the pause on the AI implementation. At this point, there is a saying, measure twice, cut once. I believe we need to take that same approach with AI, the
implementation in our schools before rolling out such a powerful tool, especially one that will be directly affect our students. We need to ensure appropriate safeguards, checks, and balances are fully in place moving forward. despite of the reported 31%
failure rate in identifying inappropriate content would be irresponsible. It would also be irresponsible to proceed without meaningful input from the people who will be most affected by this decision. The teachers, the parents and students, including elementary age
students. Our children's mental health, cognitive development, and academic success are far more important than being recognized as one of the first districts to implement AI on a large scale. BCPS should use this pause an opportunity to observe and learn from
other districts and organizations that have further along in the AI implementation. We continue to hear stories of AI being promoted as a revolutionary solution only for significant problems to emerge later. We are also seeing a growing
number of lawsuits and concerns related to AI's impact on mental health and well-being. Rather than pushing forward, BCPS should evaluate realworld evidence, learn from the successes and failures of others, and focus on strengthening the work already underway, implementing
evidence-based curriculum with fidelity, and providing teachers with consistent ongoing professional development on the programs and instructional tools already being used in our classrooms. We are not asking for AI to be rejected outright. We are asking for a pause so the
district can carefully evaluate the full impact AI may have in the classrooms including the additional monitoring responsibilities placed on teachers, the potential reduction in academic rigor and the shift away from proven educational practices. Before moving
forward, we should ensure that the benefits clearly outweigh the risks and that the people most affected by this decision have been fully heard. I'd like to end with a quote from a show called Hacks. This is why I hate it. The force inev
inevitability. People like you are always saying it's happening whether you like it or not. But you're the ones making it happen. And you could easily stop it if people could say that they didn't want it. But you don't want to give people a choice.
Thank you for your time. Good afternoon. My name is Heather Velasquez from Davey. I am here to support Mr. Seivera's pause on Magic School AI. I also would like to throw in um I haven't really heard anybody talk about Khan Academy, which also has a chatbot feature, and I think it's
important that we all pause and take a look at that as well. I don't think that this should simply be focused on Magic School, but the AI push as a whole. I understand that there are some great uh tools within these resources and that our kids are using them already. I am an
elementary parent. My my child isn't using anything with AI. And um when I spoke last week, I expressed a lot of concern about having the ability for the young children to have the ability to develop the rigor, the cognitive um you know, foundation and keeping things a
little bit more analog. Um I agree with a lot of the things that the previous speakers have said. Um, and one of the questions I had last week was accountability. Mr. Sivera added that today. I would like to know who is ensuring that our teachers are properly
trained and what that looks like for them and how we're going to not load more onto their plate to simply pay attention to the kids to what they're doing on computers rather than engaging with our students because we do know that human contact humanled education is
is strong. So, thank you for bringing this today. And again, I ask that you all take a look at the AI as a whole, not just Magic School, and create a clear implementation plan, communicate with the community what it's going to look like, and let's be proactive and not reactive because this is happening
as a reaction to last week's workshop and a a plan that the community knows nothing about. Our kids are going to start school in August and then we're going to find out into the school year that these things are happening. Unfortunately, not all parents take the time or have the knowledge on how to pay attention to what's happening in our
district. And I'm grateful for all the people that are here that do take the time to share the information that they learn far and wide to help us all be as informed as we can be as stakeholders in our community. So again, thank you.
>> Hello, Nicole Morris, Coral Springs. Um, so I I agree with Dr. Jamanovich. I know that AI is the way of the future and I personally think it can be beneficial in our schools, especially in our high schools. However, I will say I I chaired
the North Area Advisory this year and overwhelmingly the theme for this year was the parents um the parents uh they were displeased with the amount of technology and AI that we were using
in the classrooms. We had an item come where we received 100 plus messages from teachers and private messages from teachers. We haven't heard that much public feedback since uh clear backpacks. So they were upset with the amount of technology. The fe the
teachers felt they did not have autonomy in their classrooms. The parents feel that their kids are not learning valuable critical thinking skills because they are reliant on AI and technology. And so uh I would say that
especially with a 30% fail rate on safeguards, I would think we need to pause and take another look at this. I support um Miss Leonard's recommendations for child-friendly procurement guidelines and AI student
council creating an a AI student council so the students living with these tools every day have a real voice on AI in schools monthly updates on AI and keeping the parents informed. I think we need to remember that the parents are the customer and right now they are not
happy with the overuse of technology and AI in in our schools and when they're looking for um charter schools and private schools those are the things that they're looking to reduce. So I would agree with Mr. Seivera today that we need to pause this. Thank you.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon. Uh my name is Kesha Glover. um educator. Um I've been with the district 20some years and I took the magic school
training two weeks ago and it was rolled out as if it would if it could be something that would benefit educators. But as a seasoned educator, I am concerned um with inaccurate information. Um it
just seemed like it's just forced on us too much too soon. Not I don't know not enough time to investigate. Um, I don't know who's monitoring. It's still going to be more work because even
though it may seem like it's um a convenience for us to use for lesson plans or whatever, but again, as a seasoned professional, there are some things in there that are possibly inaccurate. Um, I don't know, when you
take shortcuts, sometimes you get cut short. So, those are my concerns about it and the time. I mean, are we going to be forced to, you know, use it or um I'm
sure it's costing the district and it's it's not free. So, here we go again. Money issues. So, I I don't know. I I think you guys need to sit back and and do some more research on this. Thank you.
Thank you. And I'll just call the names of the speakers we did not hear from who signed up to speak. Brooke Bordy and Anna Fusco. So Anna Fusco teacher union president. Um I stand on the position that this needs to be paused. This is another
program being pushed through without any type of real research and accountability of what it can do. You've heard from various people that have taken their time to come in from the educator to the parent to the community um person, which
is everybody that represents Broward County Public Schools. Now, you don't have what you guys might think, well, there's only a few. It doesn't matter. You got to get off of that kick. It doesn't matter if they're not in this room and I can't bring in a thousand people or they can't bring in 2,000
people. You have to understand that you are being livereamed every minute of this meeting through your own portals of beacon. You're being live streamed through my Facebook, through the Bower Teachers Union Facebook, through other community members Facebook. So, it is
being watched across the state and across the country. I came from a conference. People from all over Florida said, "Fusco, we watch your Broward school meetings. We watch you stand there and try to have not always would say diplomatic ways of getting it
through to you guys, but my version is great and it is very effective that why do they continue to ignore when it's Captain Obvious?" So, I'm asking you to pause on this piece right now. The money has been donated. Give it back if we
have to. Whatever. It's no different when science of reading came down the pike, shoved down our throats, forced everybody to take this training that everybody said that were experienced, seasoned teachers. It was just another waste of time that we actually could have done right in our schools with our
own educators, but being forced to if you taught at Hollywood Hills, you had to drive out to Quest to Trace to take a training. So things like that, you put people at risk on driving during the day, taking away from their students, and adding more to their plates when there's not anything taken off. Let me
make this clear. There are things that are put in here that is going to violate our bargaining contract. It is a law. I need you teachers out there that are elected board members. this piece in this agenda that is mentioned the word mandatory and not proper training.
You're putting teacher certificates at risk when you put them in front of a group of students to do some type of programming that wasn't vetted properly or they were trained properly and I'm not going to stand for it anymore. And then you guys say, I didn't know. Oh
well, the process has to happen with an investigation. You're not going to continue to put teacher certificates at at risk because you guys have people that don't want to shove things down your throat. Again, asking you to pause on this. It is not a rush. And you got to stop using the words mandatory. You
know what's mandatory? Your educators need an increase in their salary so they could survive to live here, not have to have three jobs to come to school to teach the students. What's mandatory is that our students get educated by the teacher and not by a computer program. Save lives. Pause this. Next speaker.
Any other speakers? Okay. Um, I just briefly want to thank my colleague for bringing this item to codify in the form of an official vote much of what we discussed and gained consensus on last week and I spoke to
many of these concerns last week and was asked to wait to bring these motions forward. So, I'm glad to co-sponsor them today. Um, Dr. Heburn. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, if I may first um before I move on about the actual item, I usually don't correct the record, but I feel a need to correct the
record on this from what I heard from a speaker about our student performance or student achievement um declining. um our student performance, student achievement. One thing we get right here is our core business which is educa educating kids and our uh teachers and
schoolbased personnel are doing an amazing job of doing that especially the past uh uh two two uh or three years and our student achievement is steadily decline inclining um or increasing and um breaking records for Broward County Public Schools. So I want to put that on
the record. Um, also, uh, Madam Chair and the board, we have, uh, myself, especially my staff, we have no objections to the actual item, um, that Mrs. Sea and Miss Leonardi has has, uh, brought, um, to the board today. Um, as
Miss Leonardi just stated, these were many of the recommendations that the board came to consensus about last week um, in order to um, ensure we're moving forward in the right way, being very responsible and ethical about our
implementation for student use of of any AI tool that we bring forward uh, from imple implementation in the in the classroom. Um it's been a very intentional and methodical process um in rolling this out. Um this uh many of
this started in August of actually this school year earlier um August 2025 with AI task force and a lot of action steps in between that um that led to the ultimate workshop to continue to get feedback from the board and from the public and as I said last week that's
what a workshop is for to present information to the board and to the public so we can get feedback to make sure we get this right when we actually do our full-on implementation. So we have no objections at all. um to the actual item. Um we welcome the feedback,
we welcome the concerns, we welcome the challenges, uh we welcome um any additional feedback that any public u member in the public, parents or even students, Lily, you can get your your student group to um because we want to hear about everything that we need to consider before we roll this out um to
students. It is very important, you know, just like uh the hipp hypocratic oath, we have a similar oath for us in my cabinet, too. We we choose to do no harm to students and we know that any instrument, any piece of software, any resource that we release to our students, it needs to be done
responsibly and ethically in ensuring that our students are safe and secure even if it's in a virtual environment or utilizing software. I know oftent times we think about physical environments, but we also uh think about our virtual environments as well. So again, we have
no objection uh to the actual item. Uh we look forward to bringing back um this information to the board uh prior to implementation um and all the considerations from all the feedback that we've received last week um and also some of the feedback we just
received from some of our constituents here and looking forward for any feedback that may be emailed my way or any any of my staff members. Um thank you madam chair. >> Thank you Mr. Seivera. First off, I want to start by thanking all the public speakers for coming out
today, letting your voices be heard. And I apologize that it was almost 2:00 by the time you actually got to speak despite my very clear motion before that uh should have had this happen at around 11:00. So, thanks for hanging in.
Appreciate your comments. We certainly hear you and I'm very grateful that you stuck around today. This one's easy for me. We need a full stop on the roll out of Magic School AI in Broward County Public Schools until this district can answer some very
serious questions, put some real safeguards in place, and bring back this issue to the board and to the public for a comp comprehensive review later on down the road. I want to be clear, this
isn't about rejecting innovation. Artificial intelligence may eventually have a useful role in education, but when we're talking about placing AI tools in classrooms, in front of our students, and in the hands of teachers,
we cannot and should not rush forward first and ask questions later. Our students should not be the test subjects for a platform that has not been fully vetted. Our parents should not be left in the dark about how their children's
information may be collected or used. And our teachers should not be pushed into relying on AI before we know how it affects instruction, teacher autonomy, and overall student learning. Before any full-scale rollout moves forward in this
district, we must be able to answer some very basic but critical critical questions. What student data will be collected? Who will have access to it? Will it be stored, shared, sold, or used to train other AI systems? Has the
vendor undergone a real cyber security review? What happens if there's a breach? And how will this district ensure compliance with student privacy laws, data security requirements, and our own policies? We also need clear
answers on safety. What safeguards are in place to prevent inappropriate, harmful, biased, inaccurate, or age appropriate content from reaching students? Dr. Con, I don't need to remind you the last conversation that you and I had in which we discussed a
31% failure rate. I said it last week and I'll say it again. That's unacceptable and it's too high. AI systems can hallucinate. They can give wrong answers. they could produce content that no parent or teacher would ever want in their
classroom. The district must prove that strong guard rails are in place before our students are exposed to this technology. We also need to protect teacher autonomy. AI should support teachers,
not replace their judgment, not undermine their lesson planning, not interfere with their grading discretion, and it should not weaken that profession and the professional role of our educators in the classroom. We also need to be honest about the
educational impact. Will this technology actually strengthen student writing, reading comprehension, creativity, problem solving, and independent thinking? or will it just increase screen time, encourage cognitive offloading, and make students more dependent on technology to
think for them? Parents deserve notice. Teachers deserve training. Students deserve protection. Taxpayers deserve to know the true cost. And the public deserves transparency before implementation, not afterwards.
This is why I've called for a full stop on any full-scale implementation, expansion, studentf facing use, or mandatory uh teacher use of Magic School AI until the district provides a comprehensive written report, holds
public workshops, gathers meaningful input from our parents, teachers, students, administrators, stakeholders, and the community at large, and receives affirmative board approval at a public
meeting. The proposed agenda item requires this kind of pause. We must look after our students, teachers, and the community at large. A pause is not anti-technology.
A pause is responsible leadership. We should embrace innovation only when it's safe, transparent, accountable, and truly in the best interests of our students. Until Broward County Public Schools can demonstrate that student
data is protected, teachers remain in control, inappropriate contact, I'm not done speaking, please turn the timer off, inappropriate content is blocked, costs are understood, and educational impacts are addressed. Magic School AI
should not be rolled out in our schools. Parents, teachers, students deserve answers before implementation, not after. I'm urging my colleagues to vote in support of my motion. Do the
responsible thing here. Pause the roll out, complete a review, release our findings. Let's hear some more from the public and only move forward on this. And can if we can prove that this technology protects our children, strengthens instruction, respects
teachers, and earns the trust of Broward County families. Mr. Superintendent, I heard a comment from the president of BTU regarding some potential legal ramifications. And I think my understanding of the
concern was that if this motion were not to carry today, which I'm hopeful that it will, and this roll out were to continue and our great teachers were forced with some sorts of mandatory usage of this magic school AI in our
classrooms, that that would violate the collective bargaining agreement between this district and BTU. What say you, sir? Thank you for the question, uh, Mr. Sea. So, we've never used the word mandatory, so I don't know where the, uh, BTU
president gets that from. We didn't use the word mandatory last week. Um, as with many of our our supplemental instructional resources, um, these are additional tools that teachers have autonomy to implement. Um
just as just like with um uh Microsoft copilot as well, these aren't mandatory resources that a teacher is required to use or have to go to mandatory training. Many of the co-pilot trainings over this past year were not mandatory. They were
actually voluntary u by any staff members, teachers, admin staff um at district offices or in schools as well. So we haven't used that term at all. Miss Fusco, please come back to the mic. >> Attorney Dupri Bruno.
>> So we we we have to be really careful about the >> I want to know where the confusion >> Vera I called on attorney Dri Bruno Bruno. She has the floor and then you can respond to what she has to say when she's done speaking. >> Thank you. Because our rules are that we don't engage with public commenters.
They make their comment and then the board has a discussion. My recommendation if you want to get additional information from Miss Fusco um that we go through the proper channels Dr. Lozano is here. He can ask whatever question that you have or somebody else from staff and provide it.
But I would discourage or at least I would not recommend that we engage with public speakers. We do it one time. We're going to have to do it with with others. >> And if I may, Mr. Sea, um Miss Dr. Delo Lozano, if you can get whatever document that Miss uh Fusco has that has come
from Broward County Public School staff that states that magic school AI training is mandatory, I would like to see that that evidence. Um if this if a document um exists. Thank you. >> Mr. Sea, you have the floor. >> Thank you. There was a serious
allegation that was lodged that I think we all as board members up here need an answer to prior to this vote. If this motion fails, which I'm hopeful that it will not, and we continue with the roll out of magic school AI,
there's been an allegation that there would be mandatory requirement required usage by our teachers. I need that answer. I need this fully fleshed out. I don't care if it's from Fusco. I don't care if it's from Lozano.
I need to know where this is coming from. And if that's the case, certainly myself and my colleagues have a right uh to know that there's been an allegation launched. I would like to follow up on it and exercise some diligence and find out where it comes
from. Maybe Miss Fusco has access to a policy or something that she can cite to or maybe it's Mr. Lozano. But certainly, I don't think anybody on this board would ever be in favor of imposing a mandatory obligation on any of our great
teachers in direct violation of their CBA. So, this needs to be fleshed out right now. >> If I may, um, Mrs. Sea, again, um, I know no such policy exists for magic schools because we don't have a magic school policy. Um, again, we haven't used the term mandatory, but I encourage
Dr. Lozano. I need to see something tangible from Broward County Public Schools that says that Magic School AI training is uh mandatory. And also in addition, I don't normally do this, Madam Chair, so excuse me. I do encourage the board that they adopt or
vote for the actual item. As I stated before, we have no objections. Uh many of the things within the item was discussed and actually uh came to consensus for the board as far as additional information. And we also listen to the public as we often do when
they come up, especially doing workshops to make sure we get this right for our students before there's a full-fledged roll out. So, we do not object at all. And I'll say that again. We do not object to this item. So, I would encourage the board to vote in favor of it. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Attorney Dupri Prou.
>> And the other thing that I would um be cautious of is any discussion of any type of potential contract violation, breach of contract of the collective bargaining agreement. I would appreciate that legal have an opportunity to vet that and we don't vet that in the public just in case there may be an issue that
we need to provide legal guidance on. >> Miss Fusco, this is your first warning. >> My my my request remains the same. There was a serious allegation that was lodged that was lodged and I think I have the right to get to the bottom of it.
whether we want to allow Miss Fusco to direct us to where she's coming from or whether you want Lozano to get up, which I still think he's sitting. I don't know if he wants to get up and talk to him. >> Miss Fusco, this is your second warning. Please don't call out from the audience.
>> Dr. Lozano, were you able to get a copy of the issue? I was directed to look at the two documents attached to the item and I do not see in either of those documents
a memorandum or information that came from the district making anything mandatory. >> Why don't why don't we do this, Madam Chair? >> I would ask Dr. Conn and Dr. Lozano to both go speak to Miss Fusco right now, find out what she was referring to and
report back to me. I will yield my time with um the understanding that we'll we'll address this once we get a affirmative answer. >> Point of order, Madam Chair. >> Dr. Hepper. >> Madam Chair, point of order. >> We need to be directing our comments
through the superintendent. >> I agree. That's what I was about to ask. >> Yep. Um Dr. Lozano, you can work with Miss Fusco and if there's any tangible um information of the actual allegations, please have her email it and print it out so we can give it to the entire board if such document
exists. >> Mr. River, are you done with your >> I'll yield my time pending the results of this mini investigation. >> And Dr. Lozano, if if I may, um, real quick at the mic. When you said attached to a item, was it attached to this item
that we're talking about right now? >> Beacon, if you can make that mic hot. Yes, >> that is correct. >> Attached to this item. Yes. Okay. Thank you, >> Mrs. Alhadaf. That is why we haven't been timing board members because
we don't follow the time limits. Um I uh I just wanted to ask a few questions and make a few comments. Um and I just want to reiterate my comment from last week responding to something that Dr. Con said. He asked the
question, are we going to prepare our students for the world we grew up in or the world we inherit? And I'd like to frame it a little bit differently. All of us at this table and in this room have the ability to shape the world our kids will inherit and we can do that
today and then in the days and months to come. So I believe it was Heather Velasquez who quoted a lovely show hacks um because there are many of us in this room who are trying to change the world for the better for our kids. Um
I have a a question to my colleagues. Has anyone used Microsoft Copilot 13 plus ever? The district's uh studentf facing AI tool. Has anyone been able to use C-pilot 13 plus? So, not the not the same co-pilot that
we have access to as board members, but the studentf facing tool. Okay. So that was something that we asked for or we ga gathered consensus on last week was to give board members student access to these tools so we could use them and see them and see how
they're used. We also asked Dr. Hepburn to give parents access to the studentf facing tools as well. Um I just want to review what we agreed to last week for the the sake of the public who may have missed this. Um,
Dr. Heper, did we direct you last week in the workshop to form an AI student council to bring student voice to these issues? >> Yes. >> Dr. Hepern, did we ask you to come up with a district and school-based parent communication plan to gather parent
feedback and educate them on these tools? >> Yes. >> By the end of June? >> Yes. Um, did we direct you to deliver to the public and board monthly updates on the implementation of AI? >> Yes. >> Um, did we direct you to implement
child-friendly procurement guidelines? >> Yes. >> Um, okay. Uh, and then we also I believe we asked you to make sure that the vetting rubric or the the vetting process for these tools was made public.
>> That's correct. >> Dr. Heard, is Magic School being used by students right now? >> No. >> Was Magic School for students going to be rolled out um in the fall? >> That's correct. >> Okay. Um but I had I had a different
understanding of of that, but um Okay. I have some motions that I'd like to make towards the the end. um some of the mo the some of the things that I was asking last week that I was asked by my colleagues to wait on. Um so I will turn
it over to Miss Hixon now. Thank you. Um there I h I have some concerns. I I I don't disagree with everything in this particular item, but I do have some concerns with with putting a full stop
on on this particular item. And I'll just say we're our students are already using AI. Our teachers are already using AI. And the concern I have as a former educator is how are we teaching them and
educating them to you it use it appropriately? 78% of businesses in the world use AI for at least one operational function. So that's 280 million businesses out of 359 million
businesses. We it is it is our job to educate our students to be ready to work in the real world. If we don't teach them the proper protocol and the proper skills on how to use AI, we aren't doing
our job. If you ask me, we're negligent in our job. We can't turn a blind eye and say, you know, AI is bad for our students um or our teachers. There's choices here. I've heard the superintendent say that um this is not
something that's going to be shoved down teachers throats that it's something that if they're interested in using which many of them use already without knowing how to do it. They kind of blindly have figured out because
sometimes you just need a lesson plan. And I'll tell you long before AI came in existence, I used Google to do that. I just had something that I couldn't figure out the best way to teach my students and I looked at Google to give me some options. So I I don't want to
just put a halt to it and say, you know, paper and pencil is better and we should be teaching students the way we learned when we were younger. That's not how education works. We have to keep moving forward. I do think we need to change some of our pedigogy so that we already
know students are using chat GPT to write those essays. Stop asking them to turn in essays. Then ask them to take the essay and make it into something different. And that's really where education should be moving to add those critical thinking skills for our
students. Um, so I I I don't have a problem with the written report. I don't have a problem with the public meeting, but I I so I have a question here to help guide my answer on this um item. So,
how long would this stop be in terms of all of the questions that have been asked in this item for for the superintendent and the district to be able to get through all of this because I understand from the workshop before a
lot of these things have already been accomplished. >> So, how long is that hard stop going to be? >> Um, that's correct. Um, we will we should be done. um by end of um July to come back for whatever workshop is at
the latest in um July cuz most of this is already taken care of. You're smiling, Dr. Con. Go ahead cuz I know I know what you're going to say. >> Uh we're prepared by next week to answer all of these questions. Um >> I know he's going to say that, but I
>> and I'll be honest uh and I appreciate Mr. Sea in um in his report all of these 90% of these are already addressed in the contract >> already. Specifically um the student safety part of it
students do not get access to magic school or magic student uh by their own accord. The teacher has to give them access to Magic School through teacher created rooms which are self-contained within the classroom. They don't get
access to it at home. They get access to it in the classroom. No student can access any tool without direct teacher authorization. That's in section 2.2.3. It's customizable to student room moderations. It could be configured
based on the teacher. The resources that teachers are using to your point uh Miss Hixon uh teachers can bring in content but the adopted core is ingested within magic school. Uh they can create lessons they can differentiate within there. They can create the rooms within there
but it's very teacher controlled. We spent all of last year there were over 30 something trainings for all of our ALANS. They're fully trained. They're micro credentialed in magic school and so typically student roll out doesn't
happen until a year after implementation. We roll this out to all of the AI leazison. They've all got microcredential. Uh there is an option this year for us to give student access but it's only to the teachers that are ready to do a classroom intersection
with magic school. It's not required of them. uh but they they have to go through the fully trained microcredential training that we've established in order for them to give students access within the classroom. >> Okay. So, and that's the contract we
already approved. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Correct. >> So, and if we were to so put a a halt on it until this information comes back to us. Well, that's just the report. There's something in here also about having um a a town hall. So, I think that would add
a little bit of time to what's asked in here. Um, I don't disagree that teachers need better training. I I would say as a teacher for 32 years before I got this job. Um, oftent times you did kind of
feel like you were gliding in the dark on on things that the district rolled out because it looked interesting and two weeks is is a short period of time and we heard from someone who took the training. So, I don't mind pushing back the student piece of it if we could
continue to train the teachers to use it because we've already made the commitment that we want to that we've accepted the money and that we want to do this. Um, so I even if I don't vote for the item, I
still think the report, the public input, all of that should happen and that teachers should continue to follow that training and maybe the stop is on rolling it out for student usage until it's really clear that that piece meets
all the criteria that both that the board has has for. But I think teachers will continue to need that training. And to to think that we're not eventually going to get here, I think is not reality. And I would hate to halt it and
have teachers not have access to the training if they're interested in learning more about it so that they could use it for their own. But I I do agree that we need absolute guarantees that this is not mandatory for any
teacher or student and that it's only if they're interested and trained in to be able to use it in their classroom. So there are pieces of the item I like, but pieces that um I don't necessarily agree with. Thank you. If I can add um um to
Miss Hixon, um there's already about a little bit over 3,000 teachers that have been using Magic School for over a year. There's a free version for educators. >> 4,38. >> Yes. I know it was high. Um so we already have um about a quarter of our
teachers already using this uh the free resource of Magic School. So this is going to um expand opportunity, but as Dr. said before, um, students won't be able to use it until a teacher is ready, has been trained, and that's voluntary. That's that's not something mandatory.
Um, it's voluntary. So, it's up to the teacher if they want to uh dive into it, if they want to get the training, be comfortable enough, but uh we won't allow student access unless that teacher is ready um to be able to facilitate that opportunity with their students. >> I just have one more thing to say, and I appreciate that because that's what I'm
saying. We already have AI. Nova has an AI academy that's been running for quite some time. So I I just don't think people realize how embedded it already is. But my last question is Dr. Heepburn, will Magic School or any AI
>> things platforms that we have. Do we have any plans on using that to replace teachers in the CLA as a chat box in the classroom? >> No, I think it'll probably replace me way long before it replaces a teacher. it our saying from the beginning with Broward powered by AI and the second
phrase of that is what Dr. tone. >> I am a human in the loop. >> Exactly. You can't utilize the functions of AI without the human being in the loop. That the human being is actually doing the level of assurance to ensure everything's accurate. It's above board,
especially when it comes to to student use. So, that's been our our motto for power powered by AI since we initiate initiated um this journey um starting last summer. >> Thank you. And I'll just re reiterate that no one is going to end up in a job
that doesn't require them to understand and be able to use AI. None of our students are going to move into a job that doesn't have that somewhere. It's important for us to help them be the human behind it that asks questions in the right way. And those are skills that
we have to teach our students. And that's getting lost, I think, in here. and we're getting really wrapped up in in the bad parts of AI, but we it shame on us if we don't teach our students how to be successful when they move out into
the real world. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Mrs. Alhadaf. I love AI and I truly believe that it is going to bring our students education to such a different level beyond what we
can even imagine what it can be. And so it is important for us to make sure those safety measures are put in place. Very, very important. I think it's lacking right now.
At the the last workshop, I clearly said pause on this until January 2027. So, I appreciate this item being brought forward today. One recommendation that I would make and and I think this is a part that we trip
over our own feet like every time a big item gets brought forward to this district. is that we skip the looping process. And when we have items like this that's
so big, do a full loop, a complete looping process where we're going out to all of our committees and having those conversations and vetting it through the students and the different unions.
And I think we wouldn't be in this point today if we did our homework, if we did that looping process because then we would all be here cheering the same song and and wanting
to implement AI for successfully for our students in a very safe way. So, I'd like to make an amendment to the requested action and that is to add a full looping process.
>> Is there a second? >> That was my motion. >> Well, to the requested action, >> is there a second? There is a second >> motion made by Mrs. Alhadev, seconded by Mr. Sea. Public comment on the motion.
>> Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. Um, I support the motion. I think this meets the definition of major initiative and should have been looped, which would put you in compliance with your own looping policy. Miss Dwri Bruno
Bruno keeps saying that they have you have to be in compliance but doesn't seem to understand how out of compliance you have been getting in terms of looping things through the advisories. Um that all being said the longer you keep me here the more stuff I'm finding.
So now I'm reading the contract and part of looping would be to help you identify weaknesses in this relationship because I'm noticing who they're going to redislose educational records to. And I keep bringing up 6313 that you are in
conflict with with this initiative. And in the contract, it mentions um that there's a furer exemption and you don't need parental consent. So there's a host of things. And again, since staff didn't bring up 6313, but I support the motion.
Loop it. So you >> Thank you. Next speaker. >> I I support the motion. I agree with um Miss Hixon. I think that AI is the future again, but your customers, your parents, your advisory members
overwhelmingly this year the the concern was the overuse of technology. And so I think I I asked our elementary subcommittee that we formed this year just to discuss technology in elementary. I think that if you had taken it through them and they had a full understanding of what it was, they
could have given you feedback. You could have seen where it should be implemented, maybe where it should not. So, I do agree it should go through the looping process and we would save a lot of um time and confusion. Thank you. >> Hi, Dana Sanders. I absolutely believe
um that we should all be involved in making these decisions. So, yes to looping. Absolutely. You keep saying it's for teachers. It's only if teachers want it. It's only if teachers want to get trained. If only if teachers want to implement it. Have you asked teachers? Have you asked teachers if this is something they need? I took the the the
magic school training. And do you want to know what it is? It's co-pilot. Number one, we already have co-pilot. I have a free version of co-pilot. And guess what? I could do every single thing that is in that program. Every single one. I love AI. I use it all the time. Almost everyone in here has used
it. I know because I aed some of my my remarks and I saw the same things that AI came back with for me with some people in the board and some people in the audience. Everyone's using AI. I get it. But students need to learn how to learn first before they can use AI. They
need to learn that process of thinking before someone else or something else spits it out for them. Really quickly, you said it's only if teachers implement it. All I heard was teachers are going to get blamed for it. >> Hi, Shafi Mob again. Um, Dr. Con said
earlier that teachers are going to allow their students to use this tool in their classrooms. So the rule of thumb with using AI, a student under the age of 13 years old should not be utilizing AI. It hurts
their creativity. It allows them to think in a way that they should not be thinking. It takes the humanness away from the child. And so, yes, looping is necessary because you need to hear from every single
group, including the Brower Teachers Union, uh because it's important that you actually hear facts. Please understand that children under 13 should not be using this on on a daily basis.
It is absurd to do that to a child. your will hurts their education educational future. Zyra Lanches Defield Beach. Thank you, Miss Salada, for the motion. Um, I do agree with looping through advisories.
Um, if you if you guys just did that in the first place, you would have so much less drama going on here. I don't know what happened, but not too long ago, that's just what it was. It was looped. You spoke to your bargaining units. Everybody kind of knew what's going on.
Yes, some people are not going to support it and so forth, but you had buy in from your teachers, your parents, students. If you don't have buy in, which you haven't had for months and months and months and months. Not going
to it's not going to go well. Just saying. >> Thanks. >> Good afternoon, Liliana Reed of Broward Teachers Union. Let me let me see how this sound to you. Hi Bravo educators. You've been made it to the finish line and we are heading
into summer with some exciting news. Brow County Public School has officially partnered with Magic School and your account is already waiting for you for you to use. All it takes is one
login through Clevver to activate it. And then through the training they said this is a mandatory training and uh we are looking forward that all of you will take it and everybody is kind of concerned especially the teachers when
it comes you know when you ask the teachers to do something and you put that word mandatory is a big deal for them they're concerned to begin with. The other part is that they are saying that you're saying right now is not mandatory and out there everybody's
watching you and they know that in every meeting before they left they say you have to take it because it is mandatory. There you go. Jackie Luskin I think we need to define what we're talking about when we say looping because I disagree that it's
just looping that we need. Some of it actually was looped. If you look at the presentation that staff gave you, was it last week or the week before and which committees or advisories it had gone through to an extent and I think it could have uh there could have been maybe some more uh thorough discussion
of it and and more time given but um no I disagree that we should just be looping it back to what I said before. I think we need a proper communication plan drawn up with people who know how to communicate. have a webinar, a parent university,
have a manual, have the policy, have a parent contract or a pledge or a guarantee to parents, have a written Q&A. As staff say, they could answer, ask half of these questions right now. This doesn't have to be a month-long process, but it's about public engagement and education and outreach,
and it's not just going to be about looping it back through folks who have already seen it. Thank you, >> Kesha Glover. Again, um it may not have Well, I didn't see anything that said mandatory, but there were a barrage of
emails and if you've been with the district for a while, you know that eventually it is going to be mandatory. So, I'm speaking on behalf of the way that I felt. So, I felt obligated to
take the training. Two reasons. Number one, I want to stay on top of the game. Number two, um I just felt like it would be something that would later be a mandate. So, several days there were emails in the
morning about Magic School, emails in the afternoon. As a matter of fact, we made a joke about it, Magic School Bus, because it was so many emails flying in >> to us. So, it may not I didn't see anything to say mandatory, but it had a
feeling as if something's coming down the pipe and it's going to be mandatory. >> Hi, Heather Velasquez of Davey. Um, I'm going to agree uh with Miss Aldev and asked to add the looping process. I'm kind of new to all of this and finding out information um what seems like late
in the game hasn't been helpful. There are a lot of really intelligent and um very useful people in our community that can provide amazing feedback. So I think if it goes through the proper channels and not just going through the proper
channels as they may be maybe explaining when questions do come up about well who did see this I was a part of um some meetings that we didn't get questions answered and when you say the questions are that there are answers for those questions it doesn't seem like they're
so readily available. So so that feels a little bit misleading to the public at times. So if we can have more open communication like Jackie said with parent universities and a pledge or just a different form of communication would different modes of communication would be extremely helpful. Thank you.
uh Trudy Janovich. Um I was thinking back to my um many years in teaching and things are not just mandatory, they are mandatory. In other words, if you want your evaluation to turn out right, you
better take this. And that's what's happening. whether you want to admit it or not and whether there's an email with the word mandatory it becomes mandatory. Now all of this
is because of miscommunication and I believe Dr. Hepburn gets evaluated on communication skills as one of the things that you all gave him an A on. I
don't think anybody didn't give him an A. Think about that. The buck stops somewhere. Thank you. And of Fusco Brower, teacher junior president. So let me clarify that
the insinuation of mandatory that I was referring to was what other things that were put down the pike to come to the teachers that were always said it wouldn't become mandatory and then it becomes mandatory because
your colleagues on team fifth grade are using it but yet Fusco you didn't you didn't get to the training I get a lower data mark in my evaluation That is a sign of mandatory that I need to go take it to get into the game. So, stop
playing with words. I wish all of you weren't looking up every which way because you're just tired of hearing me speak. And this is just the beginning of me speaking. That's all I'm saying because I don't need to give my minute here to get my words out. I was just interviewed by the news. So, I'm telling
you right now that it is mandatory to be able to bring it to the classroom. you are subliminally forced to take it to be able to bring it to the classroom. That is what I meant. >> Thank you. Any other public speakers?
>> Four member discussion. Miss Thompson. >> I'm I still have the floor, don't I? >> Go ahead, Miss Aladith. >> Thank you. So, um through this little u part of the meeting, I just found out additional information that concerns me
even further. We do not have an AI policy. So, how do we not have an AI policy? And we're now pushing this item forward. So, it's the cart before the horse.
So, I'd like to amend my amendments and add that we need to have an AI policy that is looped. >> Attorney Dupri Bruno. I second it. I'm Rupert. >> So the So we need to So there's a
there's multiple motions on the floor right now. Um we have Mrs. Farah's motion. Then Miss Alhadaf, you did an amendment to loop and now you want to um add an additional amendment to include that the AI policy be looped as well.
>> No, I'm clarifying mine to have an AI policy and have that policy to be looped because I can't loop a contract. I have to loop a policy. May I suggest a substitute motion where you indicate that you're asking that the
recommendation be looped as well as the accompanying AI policy? >> If if I may miss out of I just want to make sure um Dr. Dr. uh Con, can you specify what activities have you done thus far?
>> Thank you. Um and I know you weren't at the workshop last week, Miss Aladd. >> I was at at the workshop. I was online. >> I'm sorry. >> Full time. Thank you. There's a slide that actually shows that we actually looped the policy. Um, and I think you heard um some certain uh parents or
groups mention that it was looped. So we we looped it through TAC, we looped it through DAC, we looped it through some student advisors, teachers uh through our AI leazison. So it went through the whole process of looping and feedback was given uh to us and we made those
changes. We didn't bring the policy to the board because we were waiting on Nola to come forward and that's why we were waiting for today's section to happen in order for us to bring that policy to the board. >> That I have a problem with that. Dr.
Herburn, we need to have policy >> first then go to this item. >> Could we could we please have decorum in the audience? Otherwise, I'll have to recess the meeting. Dr. Heppern, I have a question about
this because I think we had a conversation about this maybe about a year or two ago about doing an AI policy and we were advised by um staff at the time and by the general counsel to hold off because it was such a a quickly developing issue. So, I know it was a
conversation that that I remember specifically the board gave consensus to hold off on that. Um, but now that things have changed so much and we're seeing it rolled out in schools, um, that's why I think we've been talking for several weeks about the policy
coming to us. So, attorney Dupri Bruto, can we get some further clarification on what the process is? So, here here is where we are with regards to the AI policy. Um, it's drafted um and it has been um had some preliminary reviews.
Um, last week there were additional reviews and we also contacted Niola to provide us with all of the technology policies that will complement and go along with that AI policy. We are in the process of vetting all of those
policies. It's about 20 policies. I just counted um the policies about 20. and we're going to be going through those policies and the intention is to bring to the board um those technology policies including the I AI policy in
August. That's what I was referencing um earlier in our prior conversation today. Okay. So to Mr. Za's point uh in regards to pausing this uh I still will keep my amendment to his
requested action to add approving an AI policy and having it fully looped. >> Okay. And I heard Miss Rupert second that. Uh Mrs. Alad, do you still >> Yes, I did. Do you still have the floor
or are you done? No, I'm good. Thank you, Miss Thompson. >> Thank you, chair. Um, I think I am a little confused on what exactly would be looped because are we loop looping an
entire AI strategy? Are we looping the entire concept? And I think Miss Lekum brought up a really good point is that looping goes to specific committees where district town halls and listening sessions would actually be the bulk of our community and that makes more sense
than looping. I think we've also as a board had discussions on what looping is and what it isn't and and that process and who would it be looped to? Is it every single committee? I think we are kind of getting ahead of ourselves. um
in a lot of ways, but that would be I'm not in favor of looping it. I think Mr. Sea uh and Chair Leonard's item of having town halls kind of address that issue. I also we are getting the AI policy. We've been talking about getting
the AI policy. So, I would rather see that since it went through different channels before thinking it it needs more looping. If I may, Madam Chair, go ahead, Mr. Sullivan. >> Yeah, I just wanted to add uh I guess we would need clarity on the full uh
looping uh because there's several committees and also the other challenge we're going to face if it is going to be looped uh committees um depend well they don't meet in July. So the earliest you can loop if their committee agendas would allow would be sometime in August. Well, I think um in addition to that um
the policy has been looped um and the AI um specific to Magic School um plan of implementation has been looped. So I guess it's in addition to what Dr. Conn listed if he's listed several uh
advisories that's been looped um through already. Is there additional advisories we want this loop through is the question because it's already been looped. policy has been looped. >> Yes, he's he can um go back over that again. Um M Dr. Con if you can go back
through what um advisories the policy has been looped through already. >> Yeah. So we we had we went through the AI task force, the steering committee, the district advisory, the technical advisory committee, uh the regional uh leadership teams. We did share it with
uh BTU. We didn't get feedback from them. uh school administrators, uh career technical and adult community education leaders. >> So, if there's any additional advisories that we want this loop through,
I see Lily's hand up to chair. Just >> Yeah, I added Lily to the list to speak. We didn't take public comment on my motion. >> I thought we did. >> We did. >> Attorney Dupri Bruno.
>> We We did not take public comment on the second amendment to loop the AI policy. >> Okay. Public comment on the second amendment. Please ensure the mic is on. >> Dr. Natalie Lynch Walsh, Plantation, Florida. I support the substitute motion. What I have found very
interesting about this AI policy everyone keeps referring to is I can't seem to find where the district has provided notice of the development of the proposed rules. meaning they're going to bring it to you, but you're not
even in rule development yet. And I would petition to initiate rule making except that then I think she would tell me I'd have to write the policy myself, which I'm not inclined to do so much these years anymore. So if they could
initiate the process, then you could loop it. Um, and something isn't looped if it doesn't come to advisories until near the end of the year. I sat in a central area advisory meeting where it was on the agenda, but we had so much
drama for elections that we never got there. So, and that was just in May. It was on May agendas. You want to loop something, loop it earlier, like the beginning of the year. >> Thank you. Next public speaker. >> Yeah. Again, we're using this term
looping as a kind of catch-all term for just let's consult the public. I sit on technology advisory and Manny over here and others will testify how noisy I've been about um AI and about preempting public uproar, which we now have. Um I'm
surprised that anybody's surprised to learn now that there is a draft policy because I've spoken about it. I spoke about it earlier today. I spoke about it last week. I spoke about it the week before. I sent it in an email to all of you saying there is a policy folks have worked on it and my understanding is
that they were told to kind of hold back till all this other policy stuff had had come first. So, whoever told them that shouldn't have done. It should have been fast. When I say fasttracked, I don't mean skirting any any um process, but it's it's been out to advisories. Let's get it moving. If there are other
advisories that want it and and frankly, it could be helpful for ESSE, but I'm not going to hold it up and say it has to come to ESE. We can deal with that down the line, but let's just please get it moving. >> Next public speaker, please state your name. >> Shafiun.
It's really important for us to look at the policy as a whole, but interestingly enough, I've never heard of a policy coming through BTU. Um, so just that we're clear, it was
not. Um, and being that this directly affects our educators in the classroom, this is a direct effect. That is a huge concern. Just to let you know, I've been a I asked a district three times to be
on your task force so that the teachers voices can be heard collectively. Still no response. My other coworker asked to be on the task force. Still no response. Where's the communication
folks? We need to work together. We should be working together. and that's not being had with this and it's very disappointing. >> Thank you. Next public speaker. >> My name is uh Trudy Janovich. Um this is now getting conflated between
rule development and looping and everything is out of whack. And what you need to do, I think, is to step back and look at this and say, "Okay, we really haven't looped it." So, it's going to have to be done correctly. You might
have had it done somewhat, but in order to get started on the policy, I think don't you have to advertise it and and I hope there's some kind of question answered about that. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Next speaker, >> this is Zyra Clim's lunches, Deerfield Beach. I was just looking at this policy 164 communication and public engagement. If you guys have a policy for looping,
how is it then optional if you loop it or not? like I don't or it doesn't say to whom, but it says here that um staff shall initiate when um when there's a major
initiative or new district-wide program is under construction. So if it's a policy, I mean, why are we arguing about policies if you don't follow the one you got already? What difference does it make? Let's just do whatever we want.
Thanks. Next speaker, >> Anna Fusco, Broward Teacher Junior Presidents. Uh, no policy conversation has come my way at all. I am the Broward Teacher Junior President. I would just stand before any of you. Either you don't like the way I message things. You
need to stop about that. When have I ever misled you? When have I ever been untruthful? When have I ever lied? And quite frankly, when have I ever really been wrong? Eventually, you come back around and say, "Damn, Fusco, you were right." So, I stand in front of you and I will not accept at all that I am
making something up, that I am lying, that I'm bringing forth something that is not accurate. Listen, you all have been elected to represent the Brower County Public Schools. You guys took an oath to do the right thing. I don't come forward and bring you a bunch of BS. Yet, you have a group of staff that
convincingly always does. That falls on you. This pause has been asked for multiple reasons. Why you're so adamant that you want this shoved down students throats is beyond me. Now you had us a legal advice about policies. Where is
it? What's the progress of it? When was it started? When did it come to me? Give me a date. Something. >> Thank you. Do we have any more public speakers? Okay, we'll go back to board member comments. Board member Hixon. >> Thank you. Um,
so there's a lot of confusion here, so let's see if we can um clear some of it up. So we've heard that the policy the the proposed or the policy idea has been looped and Dr. Conn mentioned quite a
few places where it landed. So, general counsel, can you explain to us for for any policy that is a new policy, what should that procedure be? Are we following the procedure or should rule
development have started it? Can you explain that to us? >> So, policies get drafted, they get reviewed, they get revised. As Dr. Con said, this particular policy was shared um with other individuals. Um at that
point because we are going through a process um it was sent to legal to review as well and legal is working with um the administration on trying to review that policy as well as additional
policies that um are related to this particular policy. Those policies are not ready to be um shared in a rule development workshop. They are still in the process of being reviewed and drafted. The goal is to bring the
policies to a meeting in August, which means that the policies will be legally notice sometime in July as the statute requires us to provide the 28 days. And we will do that. And if we still need to do additional work in house prior to
bringing the policies forward, then we will do that. It will come later in August. But the goal is to try to bring them sometime in August and we will provide the mandatory required um statutory 28 day notice. >> Thank you. So it sounds as if for new
policies this is traditionally what happens. It goes out, people review it, then legal reviews it and then it's presented to the board. So we're not doing anything out of the ordinary that we've done for any new policy. Is that correct? >> No, we're we're following the regular process.
>> Right. Thank you, Dr. Dr. Con, can you tell us who um the dra who the drafted policy was sent to at the Broward Teachers Union? >> And when it was sent? >> Sure. It was sent on Tuesday, May 5th at
8:14 a.m. uh by Manny Castano uh to um Anna Fusco. Uh I'm I'm looking at the email right now. Uh and then there was another email as a second request on Tuesday,
May 12th, 8:59 a.m. to Anna Fusco again asking uh for to bring back to the top of your email would love your input of this draft policy supporting documents. >> Okay, thank you so much for that. So, seems as if we've already looped it. If
we were to ask for it to be looped different, I think the the item has to include what committees we want it looped to because traditionally the board decides when we ask for looping where we want it to go. So, if you don't
mind repeating where it's been looped already so that if there's additional places we think it needs to go because you were talking really fast, I only got one. >> Thank you. Uh yeah, we we looped it through our AI task force which represents uh a larger group of teachers
across the district, our steering committee, DAC uh technical advisory committee, uh regional leaderships, we had principles look at it and our CTA uh educational leaders through workforce uh looked at it.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so if there's any other places where board members think it should go, then I think the the item has to be more specific to where else we would like it to loop to. Um,
and again I you know it seems like it it's moving in that right direction. But I besides all of that I think it makes sense as one public speaker mentioned was to do
and it's actually in Mr. Sea's item to do that parent university. We did a parent university when we were talking about budget and there were some concerns and it was very well attended and I think people really got good answers to that. So it asked the superintendent and to do that regardless
of where it ends up but also there was a suggestion to do a question and answer like on the front page of the schoolboard website to be proactive. I think um there are questions that people have that we can answer and we don't
need to wait until there's a full report. If we can answer them and do like a question and answer thing on our website, that's pretty easy to get that information. Somebody suggested a little a video of some sort. I don't know. But
whatever communications we have, we're making assumptions that people are seeing things and they're not seeing it. So I think we need to try it in a lot of different manners and um so again I'm not I'm not sure I agree with
the new motion or the original motion. There are parts of it I like but I don't know that I agree with it overall. So thank you. >> Thank you Lily. Um, okay. So, this is mostly just to respond to what Dr. Heeper was saying
earlier. Um, first of all, Dr. Con, thank you. I know you had said you got some student input um on the original setup for Magic School and all of that. Um, I do really want to say that I love and support the idea of putting together a group of students to really test specifically Magic School and any other
AI that we implement. Obviously, to let everyone know, it would be high schoolers. That way, it's, you know, relatively age appropriate. they would have to have a consent form from parents, something along the lines of that. Make sure that it's, you know, good age group. Um, and students would voluntarily do it. Um, possibly provide service hours, but the idea would be to
have kids push the website the same way that last meeting Ma and I got the chance to. And we went on there and we were testing it. And, you know, in the few minutes that we were looking at it, we found out a lot. So, I think it'd be really beneficial um, I could work with the board on that on getting a group of students to really push the system to its limits, find out every single thing
that's right with it, everything that's wrong. Um, and I think that could hopefully kind of be a compromise between the public and with the schoolboard to um, implement AI, but make sure that it's safe for students. Um, and that there's nothing on there that would make parents, students, board, teachers, anyone uncomfortable.
Um, so, thank you, Mrs. Ala. >> Thank you. I'd like to amend my motion to have the AI policy loop specifically with the Brower Teachers Union, BPA, and
the student advisors with additional students. >> Is there a second? >> There is a second >> motion amendment. >> Um, I'm okay with that. >> Hey, chair. I just have a point of order.
>> Yes, Dr. Zean. Our policy uh doesn't speak to collective bargaining units. I mean, I I think it's fine to do that uh as a as a something we could do a lot, but our policy on looping is specific to advisory committees.
>> Attorney Dupri Bruno, >> just just to make sure that everybody understands exactly what the policy specifically says. I think that's important. And it's 1164. It's to public engagement with regards to loop. So um
it's designed for major initiatives but it is left to the superintendent on his or own on his or his own or by direction of the board and it does go to primarily DAC the district advisory committee and
it is a 60-day process and there are very specific steps in terms of um how this process um entails. Um Dr. Demon is correct. It does not address the collective bargaining units pursuant to the policy.
Okay. Motion made by Mrs. Aladaf, seconded by Mr. Cera. Public comment on the amendment. Dr. Natalie Lynch, Plantation, Florida. If this is in addition to, then I support it. But just to be clear again,
um, and it sounds like even Anna didn't get the email. I mean, if you're going to use an address she hasn't used in 10 years, uh, when you loop it, it doesn't count if it comes at the end of the school year when no when you're doing elections and people are wrapping up.
Looping counts when you have time to loop it through the different advisories. So, I support adding but not bypassing anybody else. Adding. Okay, good. Thank you. >> Anna Fusco, Broward, Teacher Junior
President. I support adding every group. I'm I find very offensive uh Alan Zean's comment about not including the very groups that actually work and take care of the students, the principles, and the educators. Um, where where do we find
you guys at? I'm confused. I really am confused. Um, and I would like to know where this you you said my name. You said there was an email sent to me. I would like to know what the email said and where it was sent because I do not
see an email sent to a fu s is in sam cobbtline.com. So if it was sent there and I missed it, then I will humbly apologize. But and you said it was from who? So I can re I
could check it again. It's really simple. It's amazing how when I get up and I want to produce the evidence and give the feedback, I get shut down by the chair. It's amazing. I hope the public is watching this that we're here. We're here right now.
>> Thank you. Next public speaker. Anyone else on the amendment? >> All right, Miss Thompson, >> I would like to call a question on the amendment to go back to the main item >> and I Yeah, >> to loop. >> Can you read it?
>> Yeah. And uh attorney Dupri Berno, so I think we have three amendments on the floor for the motion. So help me understand like if we vote on this last amendment, does that take care of all of the amendments that were made? So, Miss
Al-Hadf, your last amendment was to uh loop the AI policy and the B item to all of the um collective bargaining units, BPA, BTU, etc. That's in replacement of your prior amendment
which was just to loop. So, it's a substitute. >> Yes. And >> yes, and the student advisors with students. >> Okay. So the the amendment that's on the floor because she's substituting is to loop
the AI policy and the B B item to all of the collective bargaining units as well as to the student advisory. >> Okay. >> Choose specific BTU and BPA because we have more than just status. If you say all
>> Thank you Dr. Hein. BTU and BPA. and the student adviserss. Is that capturing your amendment correctly, Mrs. Aladv? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Now we vote on the amendment. >> So, uh, we're voting on calling the question. Correct. >> Yes. >> All in favor of calling the question,
say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> I, >> uh, calling the question passes unanimously with Dr. Zean and Miss Rupert online. Um, all in favor of the amendment say I. I. I. >> All oppose say no. >> No.
>> No. I >> uh roll call, please. >> Uh roll call on the motion. Uh school board member Sea, >> yes. >> Hixon, >> yes. >> Ponus, >> no. >> Leonardi, >> no. >> Rupert,
>> yes. >> Thompson, >> no. >> Zean, >> no. >> Aladev, >> yes. >> Bowman, >> no. >> Bails, four or five. Okay, we're back uh to the item. Mrs.
Alhaded, you still have the floor. Disappointed. >> Okay, Dr. Azan. >> Thanks so much, Chair. Uh I like this item. I just want to get some facts out. Uh chair, what is
different in this item than the decisions that we made last week at our workshop meeting? >> I think there are some some additional uh pieces there. So, um I could go through the list. Is that
what you want me to do, Dr. Zeman, or did you want to speak to >> I'm just uh I would maybe if you can highlight it uh at the end of my talk, I'd appreciate it. it's not pertinent to the beginning. Um, also curious, chair, um, magic school has not been mandated.
I know I we've answered that. We also have answered that the magic school, uh, access called magic student has not been provided to any Broward County student. Um, I understand with this item, which you know, I like pause. I like thinking
about this and I'm going to offer just one change at the end. Uh but but if this passes, what's the earliest date that we would share access to the students? >> Dr. Heppern, >> if um I know the goal for us um is to
bring this back to a public meeting. Um as Dr. Cole mentioned earlier, a high percentage of these concerns are already addressed and so we will just finalize that plan. um bring it back to the board hopefully in the late July meeting and um see if we can get get this fully
implemented based on teacher readiness of who wants to actually use it and facilitate the use with their students um by early fall. So hopefully at the beginning of the school year. >> Dr. Dr. Heeper, while you're talking, would you view the decision to um uh
roll this out to your uh faculty at school and to students the purview of the school board or the purview of the superintendent? >> Um this uh is curriculum and resources, the purview of of the superintendent. >> Thank you. And I'll come back to that uh
at the end. Dr. Heburn, third question to you. At the end of excuse me, the beginning of next month, there's a council of great city schools conference. I know that some of our senior staff are attending that. Um on the last day of the session, Amanda Bicker staff um who has worked a lot
with uh districts on AI adoption is giving the concluding session. Can we get a commitment for you that the people that we're paying to go to that conference will attend that session? >> Uh sure. I'll find out who's actually on the team is actually going to the session that actually Dr. Con just raised his hand so he'll be there. So
we'll make sure and follow through and attend that session. >> Thank you. And uh I would love u whenever it's possible uh and I'll submit a formal question on this just to get a summary of that session. I've listened to her a couple times and she's absolutely remarkable on the subject. I wish she was here today. Uh she could
add a lot of clarity to the discussion. Uh and I'm going to try and add a little bit of clarity uh myself. Uh Dr. Heeper, do you know how many districts in the United States have uh implemented magic school so far? Uh I I don't have that data on top of my head, but I know it is
quite a few across the country. Um we're, you know, uh at the tail end of other districts that have already implemented um Magic School AI plus some other suites. >> Well, we're 1298th. Um and I'm not saying that they did it
right. I'm not saying that they did it too fast. I'm not sure that they did it as carefully as as they want. I like the item in terms of what it asks you to report back on. Uh but I also think that there's a lot of districts to learn from. Uh being 1,298
uh is a lot. Florida alone uh by the way has 900 schools on magic uh school already across 11 districts. Again, I'm not saying that they got it right. Uh they could have it could have had 11 district failures for all I know. Uh but I do know that there's a lot of lessons
out there that that we can learn from. Did Broward County uh Dr. Dr. Hepern put Magic School through a studentf facing AI adversarial testing. >> Yes. >> What were the results of the latest
adversarial testing results across the eight dimensions? >> Yep. Um got Dr. Con and also Mr. Cassinetta in here. Um either one of you guys want to answer that question. >> I'll let Manny start and I'll jump in.
>> Thank you. Manny Casteda, executive director, analytics and intelligence. What we did with Magic School was first we formed a a rubric and we had educators and IT personnel go through adversarial testing. Now the way adversarial testing works uh the the
individuals were asked to break it. They were asked to be very creative. They were given several guidelines across the different domains of how to try to break it using techniques such as prompt injection etc. uh we established a rubric that looked
for several uh several items where if it failed in any of the specific safety items, it was a hard no or a complete it was not going to be considered. And then we had other categories depending on the level uh of interactions that were
flagged. What we were looking for specifically which is something which is quite frankly not available in many tools that are out there right now is proper redirection and real time moderation and threat detection. That means that immediately
uh an interaction is not only is the student redirected or the the conversation is stopped by the AI but it is also flagged and there's a notification sent. So, I know there's been a lot of talk of of uh 31% uh or
percentage of a failure rate. Uh I I just like to clarify what that means. When we ran through this, we ran through 31 separate detailed interactions. There were six that were flagged for further review, which were not outright failures
or uh evidence of actual improper information. They were edge cases. One had to do with one of the very creative prompters that was querying the system in in Portuguese and in Spanish and the system actually was able to reply but
that was flagged for further review. One was a student that asked for adi well not a student it was a a prompter as a student asking for advice on how to sneak out of their house. the AI did not provide a response, jailed the
transaction, but didn't flag it. So, that was flagged by us as something that we needed to review further. And we uh and those results were provided to Magic School so they could improve their model. So, we we took it through very thorough testing
to vet it. I will say uh and this is important and because we've we have partners in AI and we all believe in deploying AI responsibly but Microsoft which is our our key partner they offered to deploy Copilot 13 plus to all
students free as part of our investment with them. However, uh when we realize that Copilot 13 plus does not offer this level the level of real time moderation or threat detection that Magic School
provides. We uh kindly uh refuse that offer. Uh and that's why we we were proceeding with Magic School uh and and we'll try to deploy it next year and we definitely agree with the recommendation that we continue to loop it and vet it.
Uh but we did run it through this very detailed process. >> Well, abato and gracias to you, mana. But one question that I have for you is based on these test results, would you feel safe uh having a relative of yours who's
teaching in Broward County schools to use the magic school teacher version? >> Yes. In fact, I would feel safer than some other districts that have deployed other larger tools that I know for a fact don't offer these kinds of safety features.
>> And Mr. Kad Casteda, uh if you had a student in uh Broward County Middle School or high school, would you feel comfortable with the repairs that Magic School did allowing them to use Magic School uh version for students called Magic Student? >> I would under the current parameters
which Dr. Con mentioned that it is all teacher initiated. So despite the fact that there is real time moderation and threat detection, it's all controlled by the teacher and the teacher engages and creates the group and allows the students to
interact and can turn it on and off at at uh on demand. >> Thank you very much. And the reason I kind of wanted to go through these questions is that um I still support the pause. I still support answering these good questions. Um uh there's one
amendment that I'm going to propose here in a minute, but you know, this uh testing has been um appropriate. Uh it's been good. I'm not convinced that it's comprehensive in every aspect. So, I'm looking forward to the formal report. Um
am I right? By the way, uh Dr. Heeper, you said there's 4,318 students that uh teachers who have been uh active in Broward County on MAGA school. That's onethird of our teacher load if I got the number right. >> Yes, that's correct. Um for for more than a year actually um we actually uh
inquired about the data to see what existing teacher use there is in the district um for their free um version of of um magic school >> and I know we have a liaison in all of our schools which I think is great. I think the contract is great. We need to
fulfill it. I think the testing is going to be even more rigorous before we get this report back. Um, I think that if there was any criticisms uh that go beyond needing to complete all of the tests, it's really about agile program management and communicating to the schoolboard and
communicating uh to the community. We need the data. Uh we need much better communications. Uh looping uh to advisory groups, going to meet with our collective bargaining units is great. I just objected to using the word looping. I think we need a thoughtful, intentional plan. And more importantly
than anything, we have to execute with fidelity. Um, so we're going to get a mandatory report. Chair, I think one of the things we did approved last week was a mandate, excuse me, a monthly report to the board, which obviously can be shared with the community. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> That's correct.
>> Thank you so much. So, at the end of the day, um, I use the AI like 10 to 12 hours a day. Uh, it's a big big part of my professional life. Um it is something to appreciate. It's an amazing technology. It is something to fear you
know particularly when you think about students um and their amazing uh agility of their own mind uh getting into uh places where they shouldn't go and getting responses back. Magic school though is a particularly easy case. You know it is purpose-built for educators
and for those being educated. It is not, you know, a general purpose chatbot, you know, like chat GPT or claude or, uh, Google Gemini, uh, any of those, uh, common ones, which is much harder to get right, but purpose-built programs, uh,
are contained. And I'm I'm tickled, uh, that we're going to ask for this report, and we're going to take a pause, it sounds like. I do want to offer one quick amendment, though, uh, chair, which is, uh, item uh, the three-page item that came with the item says number five. is that to come back and ask for
board approval required. Um I just don't think that that's the purview of the board as Dr. Heepburn recommended. I think the report is important. I think the discussion is important. I uh I acknowledge that Dr. Hepern is going to take our uh feedback um and act on it
with fidelity. Uh but I don't think uh we should be in the operational role that's described there of approving a full-scale rollout. Um, there isn't even really a full-scale roll out. It's it's a teacher roll out. It's probably high school students, then middle school
students. I don't know if we'll ever get to elementary age students. Um, but I believe that that's really a judgment call for the superintendent and he ought to get a lot of feedback from us when he makes the report. I I move to amend the item to delete number five that approves
uh uh where the board approved approval is required uh in order to implement. >> Is there a second? >> Seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment on the motion to remove item number five, board approval required from the
item. Dr. Natalie Lynchwalsh, Plantation, Florida. Um, I don't necessarily agree with this. Um, you had to approve the contract back in March. Um, so they needed your approval to approve the
contract, but now you're finding out that there are a lot of holes in the implementation. And when something comes to a workshop, you have to give direction and consensus. So this sounds similar to me whether this is a board item or it comes to a workshop. Um
you still you should be on board with what is happening and be aware. So uh I don't support the motion to remove this unless it looks like the majority of you are not going to go along and we will waste yet another hour on amendments
only to have you vote them down um when you're not even following policy in the first place. Please uh please become familiar with 1164 Shafi Munab. Um, I'm going to humbly ask that you vote that motion down simply
because at the end of the day, each one of you is responsible and so you need to be in the know in what's going on. And this is going to AI is going to change the way we teach as educators and the way our students learn as students. It
is extremely important that you as the board have the final say because at the end of the day it's going to be your face in front of the Suns Sentinel answering for what happens. Thank you. >> Anna Fusco teaching your president. I'm
confused that you want to take away the board to approve something. You approve everything. It has to come through. You It's not operational. It It was a contract. So now we're moving it forward and policy. There's a lot of things here. I urge you to not do that. It
would be really in bad faith. Two, um this the piece about AI that Allan Zean talks so strongly that he loves it. He has to work on it 15 hours a day that makes me feel of how and why he speaks or writes. Is it him or is it AI? So we
know how I speak because I have nothing in front of me. And again, this is not about the adult. There are adult things to do. Smoking, drinking, driving, other things, vaping. There are children things to do. This is another one that we shouldn't be shoving down. And I will
stand on the position that it is in part of mandatory. And I don't like it that it's teacher this, teacher that. Again, it goes to their contract. I mean, it goes to their certificate. Teachers up there, please. This is really serious. >> Thank you. Any other public speakers?
Board member comment on the motion. >> Mr. Za. >> Okay. So, let's break this down and digest what's being proposed to this board by Dr. Zean's motion. We're going to go through everything on my agenda item. We're going to pause implement implementation.
We're going to have written reports done on 13 different categories to make sure that what we're doing is just and proper and safe. We're going to hold public workshops. We're going to have stakeholder give us stakeholders give us our input and then
we're just going to what? Let the superintendent decide what he wants to do with it. And this board has no control over what happens. The lynch pin to this entire agenda item is number five, which Dr. Zeman now is
desirous of of getting rid of. This is 100% something that this board should be able to approve. It's a contractual thing that we signed with Magic uh Magic School. And in the ultimate event that we decide to ultimately get rid of this, I'm going to assume that there's a
termination provision in that contract. Hopefully, Madame General Counel like there is in all of our contracts. Why go through all of this work to have these reports and this input and this community involvement only to have it come back to the board
and what have us not be able to do anything? I don't support the motion. I hope my colleagues will not support the motion and I would just ask to think about what my intent was when drafting this. do all these things so this can
come back to us as the board and we can make an informed decision on how to proceed forward. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other board discussion? All in favor of the motion say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> No.
>> Uh I uh motion fails with one vote in the approval from Dr. Zean. Um Dr. Zean, you still have the floor. I yield the floor. Thanks so much, chair. >> Thank you, Miss Thompson. >> Thank you, chair. Um, so I and my
colleagues have covered kind of the actually chair, I think Dr. Zean had started his comments asking what the difference between your what we discussed at the workshop um and this proposal is. I would actually like that run through because when I was reading
this late last night when we got it, I had thought the majority of it was already approved by consensus. So, I just want that to be clear that it the majority of the board was already on board with much of this. >> Yeah, I think the biggest thing is the
official pause on the implementation. I guess I didn't profer that last week because it was my understanding from my discussions with staff that magic school for students uh like the studentf facing piece of it wasn't going to be rolled out in the fall. Um so that was my
understanding but that's that's the major because we asked for all of the information in that prepare a written report section. Um we asked for the regular public workshops. Um we directed made gave directives
around stakeholder input. Um and I guess it was kind of inherent to me that there would be board approval required. Um but that's also why I asked for the regular uh monthly updates regarding the implementation of this.
>> Thank you for recapping that. Just again making sure the public understands that the majority of the board is is already on board with this direction. I do think it's important to understand because in the conversation today there's been use
of the word stop or pause. So what exactly does that mean? And I don't know if that's to the maker of the item of what a pause is or if that's to the superintendent's understanding of what this item would mean. Um because I I
think the news is obviously watching this. people are going to get an understanding of what we've approved. And if the headline is Broward County Schools stopped all use of AI, that's misleading because it's already embedded in a lot of our in in co-pilot in a lot
of our functionalities that we as the board learned about earlier. Like it is already there. So, what does a pause or a stop mean to this district? And how are we making sure that that's communicated to the public about what's
happening in this item? >> Dr. Heepern or Mr. Seivera, >> I defer to maker the motion. >> My proposed motion uh initially called for a full stop. I know we had some some editing and now it's called for a pause.
But in layman's terms there there will be no more um expansion, no more studentf facing use, no more mandatory or voluntary teacher trainings in regarding the roll out of this. No more
full-scale implementation. Basically, everything to do with Magic School must pause or stop until we do the five items that I've suggested within the motion. So, if a student were to have access to this over summer school, the request
would be that the access would be taken away. If a teacher has a training, whether it's mandatory or voluntary, if there's a training that Dr. Con's team has required that our teachers take I ask that that be cancelled until this is
resolved. So basically we are not to advance the ball in any way, shape or form when it comes to magic school AI if this motion is granted. Um obviously I know a lot of this was discussed at the last workshop but I I think one of the
main differences here is the fact that if this is to be granted we are hitting the pause button. and we are hitting the brakes. So that means tomorrow we're not going to be doing anything within our schools or with our teachers involving magic school AI until we
check all the boxes that are within this motion. >> So I'm still a little confused by that because some of these requirements require us to use a to magic school to make sure that to talk to teachers to have them run through it. our student
advisor recommended having students look at it and give some feedback on it as well. So, I think the language is really important. Um, I would be fine with pausing a roll out to the student to the classroom environment while still having these important stakeholder
um engagements, these trials. Um, I just to say we're stopping it is not actually realistic because in your item it requires us to use it so that we can get feedback from teachers and from not your item but our student recommendation if
we go to that. Um, so again, I just think it's really important that when the headlines come out about this that it is clear what is happening because I think that's where there's public frustration as well because they hear one thing and then they find out, oh no,
the board is doing something else or the teachers are are having a speech on it. Um otherwise again like I said we came to a consensus and I was affirmative for that consensus for the
majority of this item. I think um in particular I would encourage my colleagues under item three the public workshop that the district has to have public workshop to host your own town halls our listening sessions. I am doing
one on Wednesday, July 15th, um that will be virtual to hear the community's concerns about AI and tech. I know Miss Leonardi has already done that um in certain ways and I'm sure other board members as well,
but that is our role as a board member. We talk about hearing from our public. We talk about public comment. It's our role to go out and seek that. Um, so I am mostly supportive of this item other than kind of clarifying what pause means
and then I just encourage my colleagues to do their own leg work as well. And just one more question because we had requested a screen time analysis I think like two months ago not necessarily referring to AI but just in general when
we have a discussion about technology in our classrooms. Where are we at with that? We're still trying to analyze what what that looks like and so we can give you as best uh estimate as possible um based
on some of the edtech that's used in in classrooms because it it it varies all right um based on uh how what teachers are choosing to instruct. So right now we're focused on what's required, right? Um for whatever core um instructional
materials so we can get that to you. >> Do you have a timeline of when >> um let me get with the team um just to I don't want to give you a timeline that's not >> No, I I understand the straightforwardness. I think that's important as we because I really look at
this this conversation we're having as three different parts. So there's data protection, there's AI, and then there's technology use in general. And I think some of this is getting convoluted. Um, but we do have to have a larger conversation about it. Thank you, Chair. >> Yep. And if I can add, um, before you
yield the mic, Miss Thompson, and also, uh, Mr. Sea. So, thanks for the question and the explanation, Miss Mr. Sea, as far as, um, uh, how you, uh, perceived the motion um, to be. The only concern I have is that we have a third of our teachers already on Magic School.
They've been using it for over a year. So, I think it'll be a disservice to those teachers or anybody else who may be using a free service in the future that we don't provide training to them as far as the uh type of use um they can
have with it and how they can actually implement it um with some form of fidelity and and and impact um to our students since they're already using um the free version of it. So, I know those are probably the teachers that actually take advantage of a voluntary training that we will put out there um if we
continue that during the summer. >> And just to remind um my colleagues and uh Dr. He and staff, the item did require that we passed several months ago around screen time did ask for a
parentf facing um >> tool so parents could monitor and see how much time our students are spending on screens at um at school and that was supposed to be ready for the first day of school. So I just want to again lift
that up uh so we can all so that that's a priority. Um, Miss Bulman, >> thank you, Chair. Um, yes, I think I think uh what we're hearing too is and unfortunately there's a lot of pressure
and time, but people I I think we could avoid a lot of these troubles if we were communicating properly to the parents of what's happening. So the screen the screen time you know the thing that we also discussed last week with um making sure that the parents are informed of
what uh digital programming that their students are using in the classroom. Um I also we we've discussed a couple times about the um ages of where we're going to
focus on eliminating or reducing using screens and I think that I don't when is that going to come back to us too because I think that's >> so I was actually planning on making some motions today around that given the time constraint. Well, originally I was
planning to bring that last week. I was asked to wait until we get more information. Um, I was planning on bringing those motions today, but in the uh interest of time, I was I I'll still plan on bringing those items in July. >> Okay. So I think I think the sooner that we have an answer on that the better
it'll be for all of our parents who are concerned about this because if we're eliminating an age group where there you know like repeatedly learn hearing from the public the teachers parental concerns if we eliminate you know ages
kindergarten through first or second grade I think we're going to eliminate a lot of our trouble with this. So being proactive. Okay. So I I appreciate that that's happening. Um, and I so I I just have a quite a couple questions about this. Just I have a a
point of reference ages that are going to be using magic school bus. Is this every single student or is this just or sorry I Magic School? Sorry. >> Magic School. Yeah. >> You know, get on the bus. >> Oh, go ahead, Dr. Khan. He uh if you can detail the the grade levels.
>> Sure. So, we're only limiting uh student access to middle and high school and only when the teacher uh gives them access to it. >> Okay. So I, you know, again, I think if we message that and get ahead of the
messaging, then we wouldn't have to have a 25-hour conversation about it because people are particularly concerned about their little kids and what they're doing. And the whole idea that you're not learning how to think properly and you're not getting the basics
would not be a concern if you're not if everybody sitting in the room knows that we're not going to roll it out until you're in middle school. It's really a it's really a communication issue because if I've been sitting through hours and hours of this and I'm not clear on it, then there's a communication issue with that that we
just need to bridge that gap. Um, so also when we do roll it out, will this be mandatory for the teachers to use or is this just something that they can choose to use if they if this is a tool that they
find helpful to in their um teaching. So there are parts I would say um at the board's direction because we heard also from board workshop and also in just some of our stakeholder groups that because the the the changing uh fluidity
of AI that perhaps there should be some required mandatory training like we do with um blood pathogens that teachers have some training if they're going to be able to implement it in the classroom. So there's been a lot of discourse around whether or not the
training in terms of just having access to it to be able to do it becomes mandatory or whether or not we just offer the training and those that don't go to training still have access to it. Those are some things we're talking through. But right now all of the training is optional.
>> Okay. But the I'm talking about the actual use of it in the classroom. So it's not man this isn't going to be a mandatory tool if I'm a teacher. Absolutely not. I don't have to use magic. >> Absolutely not. So that's something that you guys are working on in terms of how we're going to train properly. >> Yeah. And all AI leaison received full
training and so did all principles on June 8th and 9th. Uh they actually had pre-work uh in terms of developing a plan to roll it out to their teachers uh during pre-planning week. Uh and there's hot lab sessions scheduled. And so >> there's hot lab sessions scheduled for
voluntary training over the summer. We have voluntary training historically for the past several years. It's called seasons of learning. >> Okay. But again, I think communicating that this is something that a teacher may choose to use versus that this is going to be implemented in every
classroom would quiet some of the concerns about it because I agree with some of the with with my colleagues. I don't want to be left behind. I think it's very important that we keep up with the times, but the communication and the
parents and the teachers understanding what's going on is going to just eliminate these problems. So, I think the town halls are a very good idea. I would love to see a memo that goes out to the parents that explains this is what we're doing. Um, this is these are
the things that we've done and this is how your kid your child will be using it. And then obviously because I haven't seen um I I tried to go to the website but I don't have a login or anything. So I can't really speak to how it works at all right now. So that's difficult for me when someone else is talking about it
and have concerns because I can't really tell them anything because we don't have that. So maybe we could all >> Yeah. So that was a request that we made last week. Um, so when can board members expect to have their studentf facing uh
AI like magic school co-pilot um access? >> Yeah, we can set it up just like we set it up for you, Miss Leonardi. I know Miss Thompson uh reached out to us and we've got you scheduled. So if if we want to just do a blanket and say all board members, that's fine. If if there
are specific board members that want that one-on-one session, we're happy to do that. >> So they would reach out to you, Dr. Con, for that. >> Absolutely. Dr. Hepper, are you >> Yes. Okay. Could you maybe send us an email this? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Thank you. An invitation. So, we >> And also, Miss Bowman, on June 5th, um
we did that was our intent in our very first uh parent session where we oriented parents with magic school. There were several magic school sessions set up to to do that. That was just the first. Our intention was to continue to do that. >> Okay. No, I think if you write it out and there's a and there's bullets of
what's been going like how you intend to use it and just communicate because different people want things communicated in a different way. So that's easier for me to I would prefer it that way. Um >> okay. So I I really don't have an
objection to again just to keep beating this horse to death. We already agreed to this last week. Um the only you know the only concern I have is that I don't want to get so judged in um in kind of bureaucracy and account and you know
thing deliverables that we don't ever actually use this program. So Dr. He how can we avoid that or do you see anything in this list that would kind of put us in an internal loop of
>> um >> not being able to move forward? >> No, I I I don't we're we're in the summer, right? Um, as I said before, this has been a year's worth of methodical approach um with a lot of moving parts to get to that workshop.
And that's what the workshop was for, to get additional feedback um early in the summer so we can close all of those gaps um for a better implementation um this fall. Like uh like Dr. Zean mentioned earlier, there's tons of school districts already using this. We didn't
ch we didn't choose just to bring a contract and then just say, "Hey, here you go." Um we took a very intentional um approach and so that's why I have no objections to um the item because many of those things we were going to do. >> So it'll be easy to put a report
together and address. Absolutely. Okay. And then my last um question here is that it you know it says in the item and then on the uh the recommended action it not only talks about magic school but it also says any substantially similar
artificial intelligence instructional platform. So does that create a problem for us? >> We don't have and correct me if I'm wrong um Dr. cone. Um cuz I saw this as more as just magic school. We don't have
any other um suite that our students are using that are uh language uh learning model where they're typing in um prompts and things like that that our students are currently using that's provided by
BCPS. I mean all of our edtech software um for years have always had AI embedded in it to for more of a adaptive um function to kind of meet the students where they are and then start enhancing
and um increasing the rigor of of the uh instruction they're receiving on it. Uh, but as far as a magic school type or co-pilot type language learning model where you're typing in prompts and you're getting a certain response, we don't have any anything addition. Unless
I'm wrong, Dr. Dr. Cober. >> Yeah. So, I would I would say in addition to what Dr. Heeper saying, almost every um support supplemental resource that we have that has a technology component does have an AI component. Even our adopted core has it.
Um, and so, uh, when I read it, I was also a little concerned, too, because I know it preferenced Magic School, but then it then to your point, it also extended to other AI related things. So, I I just need clarification. >> So, I guess that would go to >> the maker of the motion. I mean, I you
know, because this is the kind of >> Yeah, >> Mr. Civer and I have used this to as a catchall in Gotcha. My interpretation is >> make sure that you know if there's something else you can catch um you can like in a non-disclosure or something like that. >> I so I think we need to clarify what
that is. >> Yeah, clarification is needed. My my interpretation is magic school only or a type of instrument or resource like magic school and we don't have any other >> but we might need to amend this to exclude um basic programming that uses AI component
>> because if it's a catchall you're just going to shut every right >> software tool down in the district every last one of them that our students use because they're all embedded with some form of AI. >> So I would move to to I think we need to tighten that up.
>> Yep. Um I so if we have if it says you know ma uh pause any full scale implementation expansion student facing use or mandatory teacher use of magic school AI or any
substantially similar artificial intelligence instructional platform not including generally used platforms that have AI component where AI is not the I don't
know how but so I think you could say student facing >> student facing okay >> because that's AI that directly communic like interacts with students in a >> but anything that's playing with you is AI I mean so if it's reacting to your
data and your input I believe that's considered AI at this point, right? >> Yes. >> Maybe Mr. Davis has a language or some >> You got any language that can help us out there? Um, Mr. Davis, >> we're trying to narrow the field for this uh catchall language.
>> So, is this relative to the student facing? I think relative to student facing, >> I think it would be studentf facing, but also I don't want it to include any program that we're using that may have a a AI component that doesn't have the
same concerns that we have with a full AI full AI programming. >> Miss Bulman, would this be around like AI chat bots? Is that maybe the larger concern? >> Is that the main point of our concern? Maybe general purpose chatbot AI general
purpose chatbot is the language for Claude and chat GPT and the like. >> Yeah, I mean I I think I mean that's pretty pretty generic. You have to be very cautious about going outside of that because you know you could be have you could have other applications that
might have AI underneath. But >> so let me ask you this. >> Substantially similar we that would have to come to us as a contract, right? So right now we don't have that. >> So maybe we just remove that part of it and we say >> magic school. What
>> I have friendly friendly suggestion. >> Yeah. Uh so and it expands a little bit but I think the title that we're voting on should be um implement requirements for board review transparency and safeguards prior to districtwide
implementation of magic school AI. >> So >> yeah there you go >> and just take out the substantially similar I think that needs to come up. But that would be the item that we're voting on because I think it's really important that we are clear on not stopping or pausing. It's putting in
safeguards and requirements and transparency. So I can repeat that if we >> It says similar AI. So we need to take that up. >> Well, that's the whole title would be implement requirements for board review, transparency, and safeguards prior to districtwide implementation of magic
school AI. stop >> for the requested action. >> No, for the the title and then the requested action would be updated with that. >> Okay. >> Is there a second? >> So, could you just so I have so we all
have clarity. What is the motion >> to implement requirements for board review, transparency, and safeguards prior to district-wide implementation of magic school AI? >> Is there a second? Second. >> Second.
>> Motion made by Miss Thompson, Miss Bulman and seconded by Dr. Zean. Public comment on the motion. No public comment. Board member comment on the Oh, we have public comment, I believe.
>> Repeat the motion. It's implement requirements for board review, transparency, and safeguard prior to districtwide implementation of magic school AI. >> Is this a substitute motion? >> No, this is a regular motion. Go ahead
with your public speaking. It's a regular motion. It's not replacing the hold. It's if you're not if we're not clear on the motion, please don't start my time. This is not about you guys. This is about understanding. >> I'm trying to >> I'm not yelling at you. I'm talking
through the chair because I don't understand why you guys don't want the public to start trusting you. Please just explain the motion >> so we don't so we don't go back and forth with public speakers. I think Miss Thompson god forbid gosh do something
human was uh >> maybe AI should replace all of you. >> Miss Fusco, this is your first warning. You don't have >> um Miss Thompson was very uh generous in repeating the motion. So I called for public speakers on the motion. Please
deliver your comments. Please, next time I stand up here, you guys video them so the public can see how they're disrespectful and don't listen. >> I'm back on the phone now. >> Nora, I want you to know if you can explain the motion when you get the
chance to speak. I'm not talking. That's a waste of time talking. They don't listen. They all started chatting when I got up here. Disrespectful. >> Imagine if our teachers did it to the parents and the students. >> Any other public speakers?
Board member discussion. Dr. Holes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. So, uh, board member Thompson, the motion you made, um, uh, is this, uh, under the item where if the school board votes yes, am I to assume that this is replacing that
first bullet under if the school board votes yes, the superintendent would be directed to immediately pause full scale implementation. Is that replacing that paragraph? Uh, what what your motion is? It is, but also the title because I think when it
gets headlined and covered, it's important to be clear on what actually happened today. >> Understand? So, so your motion will replace the title in addition to the first bullet under if the school board votes yes.
>> Okay. So, um, uh, so I somewhat support the motion and, um, I I personally would have preferred to and Dr. Eman, I'll ask you a few questions.
I I would have preferred to just get rid of that that um, uh, first bullet if the school board votes yes. Um, so, Dr., let me ask you a few questions. Um, you mentioned that 90% of what's suggested
here is already being done. You're going to bring back a report and you can bring back a report as early as July. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Okay. So, when you bring back that report, the board will be able to see uh all of the uh concerns that's being
addressed. Um and the report will also should this pass would address 100% of the concerns expressed in the prior motion. >> That's correct. >> Okay. So this is going to happen in July. So let me ask you a couple other questions. Do you have any intent or was
there any intent to have the magic school bus roll out to students during the summer? >> No, not during the summer. >> Okay. So, if this is coming back in July and the board is going to look at the written report that you're bringing back in July, um we don't need to why do we need to
pause anything if or stop anything if it's not being rolled out to students at all? Because, uh well, here's my question. You're currently putting some things in place. Should it roll out to students in the upcoming school year? That foundation and that uh framework is
already laid. Is that correct? Um that that's correct. Um you make a a valid point. >> Okay. So there's no student facing or anything like that in terms of magic, right? You're just building the framework. Should the board approve it, it would happen in the upcoming school year. >> Correct. >> Okay. So the only piece that we're
really missing is that report uh being 100% uh uh conforming to the suggestion by the prior motion and that will come to us in July. If we have any concerns with that report, then we can address those concerns before it's rolled out in
the fall. >> That is correct. >> Okay. So, it would make sense to me that since we're not having any student facetime, uh there is no roll out to student currently taking place. This is going to come back in July. Why do we even have
to discuss or why do we have to include stopping and pausing of anything? We could just direct you to bring back the report in July and then we can make the decision then if we roll out or we don't roll out. Isn't that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, um, uh, board member Thompson,
I I I I hear your motion. I'm not sure if there's any implication for pausing or any of that in your motion or if it's if it's somewhat implied in there. It's the removal of that
wording because I think the removal of the pause or the stop is important so that the community understand what's happening. That's why I changed the word. >> Understand? So, Dr. Heburn, can you explain to us what you understand board member Thompson's motion to be uh as
opposed to what's currently here? And I hear the motion, but I I will likely support the motion, but I I also believe it's not even necessary. we should just remove that whole bullet part and just direct for a report to come to us. But if you could explain what you understand
the motion to be. >> Thank you for the question. So I give it my best shot for from what I'm understanding uh what Miss Thompson is uh proposing as far as her motion is to uh make sure we have two separate lanes. One lane is specific to Magic School AI
or any similar model that the district may be using which we are not. um you know, language learn learning models that require people to put in a specific prompt or question and get uh answers that may be um not meeting um the board's approval as far as what students
are exposed to. Um and Miss Thompson is removing all the other uh software that we use that has the back end of AI used to continue to up the rigor for students. uh making sure they're continuously continuously challenged every time they put um certain
information or answer a certain question a certain way. Um so if I'm go ahead, Miss Thompson, if if I got you correct. >> So it the the hope was to address the two concerns. My concern of being um
making sure we're transparent with the public about what happened and then Miss Bowman's concern about it leaking into other things. So by taking out the pause or the stop addresses my concern, then limiting it and saying specifically Magic School AI hopefully addresses the
concerns that Miss Bulman was bringing up and and staff was bringing up about other AI functionalities. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So Dr. Heburn, will the will the motion on the floor um somehow limit your continued framework um development
of the roll out of AI to magic AI to students in August? >> No sir, it doesn't limit all the things that we plan on doing over the summer based on the feedback from last last week's workshop. >> Okay. So everything you're doing will continue um regardless of this motion. >> Correct.
>> Okay. and and um board member Thompson, I just want to understand. So the motion uh would also imply that the rest of the item that's there in terms of the report that would continue. >> Yes, it's only changing that just for better transparency with the public on
what's happening and to address Miss Bulman's issues. But the rest of the items say >> understand. So I think we we got there in different paths. So I I I will be supportive. Miss Bruna, I have a couple of questions. Um, with the current AI framework being built out for
roll out to students, um, are there any legal concerns that you have? >> As we build the policy, those legal concerns will be addressed. >> Okay. So, the upcoming policies that you mentioned in August will address all of those concerns. So um I just want to
also mention and I um Dr. Heburn have we done any type of uh as we are moving forward with magic AI have we done any kind of student survey teacher survey parent survey regarding implementation of AI in B
County schools? >> Um I have Dr. Con provide that information. I'm not aware of of surveys. because I know they've done um kind of task force um type settings for feedback. >> Uh yes, Dr. Hoess, we've done some
surveys. We could do more. Um specifically also during the June 5th parent session, we were we had oh a little over 150 parents register for it and they attended the sessions. We also collected survey data on uh their re
their perception and and their reality of what the the goal and the plan was to deliver um AI including magic school. We got a lot of feedback from them. 94.8% of the parents that attended found it favorable in terms of our our plan to
execute uh magic school. Uh they attended a lot of the sessions um that we offered. They wanted more. They wanted some Q&A sessions. So, uh, that feedback we got from tons and tons of parents. We can do more. Um, um, and so our plan is to offer more and more of
these sessions. >> Okay. So, Dr. Hburn, here's what I would like. And you said that was 150 >> over 150 registered. >> Uh, and they are the ones who received that survey? >> Yes, directly. >> Okay. Okay. So, Dr. Hurn, I would like
it to be more farreaching as far as districtwide. I would like to get and and I I don't necessarily have a timeline on this, but I think it would be valuable feedback to get uh uh from students, teachers, and parents if we
could do districtwide and capture what their concerns are, how they feel about AI, you know, whatever the instrument is to do it. Um because I think that would also be valuable feedback to us. uh not that it would necessarily change the
course of how we implement AI, but I think it could provide added information um that may be valuable to us. Um so I would love to see it to be more farreaching than 150 students or families. >> Yeah. And we have more. So there were
there were um parents, administrators, and teachers um at the sessions and and again we started this since March 2025. So, we've gotten a lot of feedback along the way. Um, even though uh the contract for Magic School didn't get approved
till March, we were well under our way last year because we gave access to everyone uh to Magic School as a free version. So, we have a lot of anecdotal data uh on Magic School and its implementation and teachers who said that they really loved it and what it
has already done for them. So, I I don't want the board to think that there hadn't been a plan, there isn't a plan, or there wasn't a plan, because we actually rolled this out fully last year until it was board approved. And then
from March until June, which is now, consider everything that has been done. A policy has been created. We've had parent sessions. We have teacher training. We have credentiing. We've engaged students. We've engaged looping. So, we've done a lot in just a very
short period of time. >> No, I I fully understand that. I guess what I'm looking for is as you roll it out, um I want to know how students feel, how parents feel, how how teachers feel. Uh I am a parent of a student in B County schools, I want to receive one of
those surveys. I want him to receive one of those surveys. when you roll this out >> as far as ongoing monitoring of uh feedback, even though the feedback may be subjective, it would still be important, I think, for us. And lastly, Madame Chair, you know, I I I did hear
not very many, but I hear I heard one or two opposition to AI, and I will say this, you know, if if you were to ask my dad, who is now 93 years old, about his thoughts on the internet, he would say get rid of it, right? Um, while I
respect his opinion, um, it doesn't mean he's right. Right. Because I tell you, if he if we get rid of internet, I will be out of business in many other ways. Now, Lily's Lily's generation, Lily is still here. Lily's generation is not our generation. Um, you know, some of us
would say to Lily, uh, get rid of AI. Uh, but I'll tell you this. Are we preparing Lily and her generation to survive and compete in her generation? Are we or are we sealing her fate and her peers
uh in terms of uh in terms of looking at at what we see as fitting through our lens? You know, I rather have foresight than hindsight when it comes to our our children. You
know what I'm comfortable with. Maybe I'm not comfortable with AI, but I can't tell my son not to because his generation is not mine. And I have to have that foresight to make sure he and his generation can compete nationally and globally. So, I think we have to have a shift in our thinking uh
regardless of how we grow up because the way to compete is going to change and it's going to change rapidly. And so I am I am very uh supportive of AI for the interest of the next generation and I don't want to look in hindsight and said did we do them a disservice. I want to
have the foresight now to know that we prepare them for the future. Thank you madam chair. >> Call a question. >> All right. All in favor of calling the question say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> No. >> Uh call the question passes with two dissenting votes.
>> No. >> No. four dissenting votes. Um, Mrs. Alhadf, you have the floor. >> I'm ready to vote. >> Miss Hixon >> on calling the question. >> No, on the amendment. >> Oh, thank you. Um, I hate to ask this,
but could you read the the motion again just one more time? >> Sure. Um, so to implement requirements for board review, transparency, and safeguards prior to district implementation of magic school AI.
Great. Thank you. So my question to that is changing the way it's worded now. Would that allow us to continue teacher workshops and those teachers who are already using the free version to continue what they're doing?
>> Yes. So the the only change is that part of it to take out the pause so that the public is clear on what is happening and to limit it to Magic School AI. But every other item in Mr. Sea's item is stands still.
>> Well, I appreciate that. That's I really need that information because when you read what it says here for Mr. Severa's item, it it would lead you to believe that they could continue teacher workshop, but when he discussed what this item did, he said it stopped
workshops as well. I'm not okay with stopping the workshops. So, I want to make sure whatever I'm voting for is allowing teachers to continue to take workshops as as they like, not mandatory, but voluntary. And we've
already been told there's 4,000 teachers using the free version. I don't want to stifle that either. So, I just want to make sure if I vote in the affirmative to your motion that those two things can continue because based on what Mr. Sea
said, even though that's not how the item reads, um his original item would put a pause on those as well. So, taking out the word pause allows them to continue. >> Yeah. Everything else stays the same.
Okay, great. Thank you. >> Anyone else? Mr. Sea. >> Thank you, Chair. A couple things. Um, if you don't pause or stop this, what's the point? We're just going to keep doing what we're doing. Nothing's going to stop. You'll get a report. Apparently, you don't even want the board to be able to
vote on it. So, the whole teeth of this, the whole crux of this is for the full stop. It is for the pause until this comes back when we have that information. And I'm not going to beat a dead horse because everybody knows what my position is on this, but just know if you vote in favor of this motion, you're effectively doing nothing. Now, I do
want to close with this because maybe some folks weren't watching last week when I had this um engagement with Dr. Cohen and with Manny on this, but we can try to sugarcoat this as much as we want.
The reality is there was a 31% failure rate when you went through this on the teacher the ability to flag teachers when inappropriate content was searched. You can try to say it wasn't that big of a deal. You can try to say this. You can try to say that. You could put some
sprinkles and cherries on top of it, but the fact of the matter is it failed 31% of the time. Now, I made a comment last week that I said I wouldn't want my son using something like this and having it fail 31% of the time. Manny, I heard you say that you were perfectly okay with
your kids using this. Okay, that's fantastic. I'm not. And I have to imagine most of the parents, at least in my district, would not be okay with something like this failing 31% of the time and having inappropriate content reaching our kids. So, if we want to
take away the pause and we want to take away the stop and we just want to keep going forward and we'll get a report and Lord knows what we'll do with it because apparently we're going to give it to the superintendent and then he's going to decide what he wants to do. Ignore the motion. Do nothing. And when you go back to your districts, explain to your
teachers, explain to your parents why you allowed this to go forward. Because I will sleep very soundly tonight knowing that I at least tried to put the kibos on this. So, I would urge my colleagues to think very hard and very long about this vote because this will
have real world implementation. And if you accept nothing else that I've said today in what seems like a 12-h hour session at this point, just know the fact that Dr. Conn and his team are telling you that this fails 31%
of the time as is. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Thompson. I'm a little perplexed by my colleagues um frustration because the entire item stays the same minus the the possibility of the public
being misled about what's happening. Um so I don't there was no motion that took away there was a motion that failed that took away the board power to um vote on this. The the community meetings are
still going to happen. the data analysis, all the protections that the board gave consensus on and and Mr. Sea has in his items stays the same. What gets taken away is the ability to mislead the public on what we are doing.
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else on the motion? All in favor of the motion to amend say I. I. >> All oppose say no. >> No. >> Um >> is Miss Rupert on the the line? Yep, I was in now.
>> Okay. Uh, so motion to amend passes with three dissenting votes from Miss Rupert, Mrs. Alhadaf, and Mr. Sea. Um, we are back to the item. I have a list of round two speakers. And I also just want to
make the the public aware that we did have a workshop that was supposed to start at 3:30 that is obviously delayed. Um, so I do uh have a round two, Miss Hixon. Thank you. I'll try to be quick. First, I would like to ask through the
superintendent, Dr. Conn, if you could please resend the email to the BTU. You were asking for their input. It was sent to an email that they don't monitor. So, if you could please get with um the BTU president, find out the proper email,
resend it, and ask them for their feedback. It's not asking for anything extra. you already did that but there was some issue with the email you sent. So thank you for that. Um also I know we held an AI workshop recently and parents
different people attended. Can you just give us a quick overview of what that feedback was from that? >> Sure. >> So we had u about five different sessions. uh we had a main session uh which included keynotes and and thank
you Miss Leonardi for uh being one of the keynote speakers where we had a panel discussion at that event where we had a parent, a student, a teacher and administrator uh actually do a a round a rapid fire Q&A session uh that followed
um uh uh breakout sessions that parents attended. We uh we tailored the session specifically towards our implementation of AI. uh it included session topics such as uh bringing together uh Microsoft plus magic school plus coal
pilot ESC strata strategic goals and AI integration supporting stu student success and what is AI and how students use it uh in those parents that attended those sessions we asked them uh to rate uh the session with five different questions and parent responses
overwhelmingly uh 94.8% 8% of the parents rated the sessions favorably. They wanted more sessions. Uh the average parent average recommendation was 9.23 out of 10 uh responses. So that that gave us a positive indication that
parents were favorable to the sessions. They wanted more of that and they love the fact that we were engaged in the feedback uh and we will continue to do that. >> Thank you. And the last thing I'd like to ask re I guess reiterate and get feedback from my colleagues is about the
having the parent university around AI maybe adding I don't know if we have an AI page on our school board website but to do something on the website that has that question and answer as was suggested by the um one of the public
speakers and maybe some social media so marketing for lack of a better term around AI and and being having a way to garner some of the um things that Dr. Hoiss asked for. So, I guess if my call
do any of my colleagues have uh disagree with that, >> we're good. Oh, well, I guess the board chair should ask that question. >> No objection. >> I just like to reiterate um all of those things. So, thank you.
>> All right, Dr. Zean. >> Thanks so much, Chair. Uh I I just want to kind of share some thoughts uh with the colleagues and with Dr. Heeper. I think one of the things we've learned through this exercise last week and this week is that there's much greater fear
about AI than maybe we had planned which means that even if we executed the plan exactly the way we intended to with looping to some extent with sending emails uh to to people with uh doing parent sessions, teacher sessions,
student sessions, you know, um it wasn't enough. You know, the community has been very clear uh through this item and and other communications that there is significant fear about anything related to AI and we need to overcommunicate and then overcommunicate again uh in every
dimension every day of the week uh about Broward County Public Schools powered by AI with humans in the loop but making sure that there are both opportunities with AI and their safeguards uh to protect more than anything else to protect the the students that we have.
Um, so I'm just going to ask you, Dr. Eper, in my right and my assessment, do we need to communicate a lot more with our community and with our school board uh about AI implementation? >> Yes, that's correct, Dr. Zim, and and we plan on doing more of that. Um, Miss
Hixon, you you uh asked for certain things that we already have in motion. We actually have our own um URL for Broward Schools.ai I that we're going to actually prop up a lot of information for the community, parents, board, staff, um, and anybody else that need
additional information. Um, we we've had a lot of forethought. Um, as I said, this has been a over a year-long journey, so it's been very methodical and very intentional um throughout. So, thank thanks for the question, Dr. Seaman. >> I appreciate that. Just as a quick
suggestion, uh you might think about a AI chat line on the homepage of Broward County Public Schools and just let people walk right in and ask questions and learn all kinds of things about our policies, our meetings, where what boundary they're in for different schools, anything they want to ask. Uh
it would save us a lot of time. I think we have when I asked Mr. Sullivan about this a while ago, 4,000 pages worth of content on our website. That's just a lot. And uh a little chat window at the very beginning would let people uh drill through that in a second and learn a ton
about who we are and how hard we work to uh you know try to fulfill our mission. The reason I asked that though is is you know we can't measure you know what we do by how hard we work or how many people we talk to. We have to measure it by what outcomes we achieve. And what we've learned from the
community is one outcome we have not achieved is that they trust us to implement AI without lots of discussion about the test that we did very clear, you know, descriptions about it. Rather than saying a test failed, maybe we could say it was flagged. Uh, and we
have to be just really crystal clear about what all these words mean because so many people um are walking through this AI journey with us for the first time. And you know, part of what we're going to do is is help parents and help students understand what it is and what it isn't. Um, and the the better we
communicate, the better we hear back from them that they actually heard what we needed to tell them, uh, I think the better off Brower County Schools is going to be. But thank you very much for your attitude and for your staff's attitude today. This is a a tough item and we got through it and I think we're going to chart a great path forward.
>> Thank you, Mr. Sea. Miss Thompson. All right. Anyone else before we vote on the item? >> All right. All in favor of item 65 as amended say I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose say no.
>> No. >> Can we Can we do a roll call, please? >> Roll call. >> Roll call on the item as amended. School board members Hixon. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Leonardi. >> Yes. Rupert, >> no.
>> Thompson, >> yes. >> Zean, >> yes. >> Ahadv, >> no. >> Bowman, >> yes. >> Sea, >> no to the watered down version. >> 63. Item passes. >> All right. Could I get a motion in a second on item 64, please? So move.
>> Second. >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Bulman. Uh, public comment on item 64. No comment. >> Board member discussion on item 64. >> This is >> Mrs. Alha.
>> This is um the parkland. Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I w have a clarifying question. The $850,000 will go back to the city of Parkland. Correct.
>> Repeat that. $850,000 will go back to the city of Parkland >> County. Um Mr. Pri Bruno Bruno left $850,000. Um Dr. Wanza or Miss Jock Adams, do you have that information? I don't I don't
know that's in the >> through the chair. Let me take a look at the uh agreement to take a look at that provision. Okay, I'll move on to my next comment slashmotion.
Uh, in the on page 34 in the Eagles Haven exhibit, I'd like to make a motion. So, where it says Percher has agreed to make a charitable donation. So, I move
to add donation of $1.5 million. Second motion made by Mrs. Alhaded, seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment on the motion or member discussion on the motion. Miss Thompson, >> can you clarify? I'm confused.
>> Mrs. Alhadov, >> sure. In the Eagles Haven exhibit on page 34, it now just says charitable donation, and I'm just being specific to the amount, which is $1.5 million. But my understanding from when we
discussed this last week was that that donation was done through Broward Health and we weren't a part of that. So I guess I need staff clarification. >> Miss Sha Adams, >> that is correct. That is a an agreement
between um both of those parties, not between us. >> Correct. and and but this is a a exhibit within this item and it is separate from what we're doing in the contract. I'm
just adding the specific number of $1.5 million. >> Mr. Sullivan. >> Yes. Can we just um perhaps table this item and go to the next item and then come back to this item once uh Mr. Aubuso and also uh the GC is back.
Did I get a motion to table the item? >> Motion >> uh moved by Dr. Horn, second by Miss Bulman. Uh public comment on the motion to table the item. >> Board member discussion. >> All in favor of tableabling the item say I.
>> I. I. >> All oppose say no. >> No. >> Uh motion to table passes with two dissenting votes from Miss Hixon and Mrs. Alhadaf. Could I get a motion and a second on item 46? >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss
Thompson. Public comment on item 46. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion on item 46. Madam >> Dr. Holness. >> Madam Chair, I'd like to recuse myself from this item due to potential conflict. >> Okay. Any other board member discussion
on item 46? All in favor of item 46 say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. And thank you for my pat for your patience with me jumping around. It's hard for me to see these check boxes. Um could I get a
motion and a second on item 29? >> We did item 29 already. >> Yeah. >> It was Zillow. >> Yeah, we did. >> Okay. So 30 is so moved. Uh moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Thompson to
bring item 30 to the the floor. Public comment on item 30. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion on item 30. >> Seeing none, all in favor of item 30 say I. >> I. All oppose say no. >> Item passes unanimously.
Uh motion a second on item 31. >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Bullman. Second by Miss Hixon. Public comment. >> No comment. None. >> No comment. >> Uh board member discussion. All in favor of item 31 say I. I. I.
>> All oppose say no. Item 31 passes unanimously. Could I >> know on that? >> Oh with uh so item passes with one dissenting vote from Mr. Ca. Um can I get a motion to second item 33?
>> So moved. Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Mrs. Alhadf. Public comment on item 33. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. >> All in favor of item 33 say I. >> I. All >> oppose say no. >> No. >> No.
>> Item passes with two dissenting votes from Miss Thompson and Mr. Cera. >> All right. Could I get a motion and a second on item 64? >> To bring it back to the floor. >> So move. A move by Miss Hixon, second by Mrs.
Alhadaf. We are back on item 64. Um, Mrs. Alhadf had the floor. >> Thank you. So, my first question is the $850,000 will go back to the city of Parkland. >> Go ahead, Dr. W.
>> Mr. Akabuso, he was saying he's coming back out. It is my understanding that no, the money does not go back. that is not a part of what is codified in this agreement. >> Will the Brower County School Board be giving $850,000 back to the city of Parkland?
>> Chris Sakabusu, director of facility plan real estate. The resolution that the city passed when the property was bought does not give the city >> Can you turn up? I'm sorry, Mr. Akabusa. Can you turn up the mic beacon?
So the resolution that the city passed when the property was being bought said if the property we didn't close on the buying of the property um the money will not be due to the city. So the resolution is very clear. I discussed
that with the office of general counsel Mr. Cooney. So the resolution as written today the property was bought. We closed on the property. I think the nuance is did we build capacity? We did not build we did not build a school. So the
resolution has passed. It's not explicit. That's the only thing I can say. There's a resolution that was passed. >> All right, Dr. Hernand, that is absolutely not the understanding of myself as a school board member or the
city of Parkland. That money is to go back to the city of Parkland. it was basically borrowed. We they lent us that money. So, I don't know what he's talking about about a resolution or it's uh speaking um in a way that can go
either way. Absolutely not. I am flabbergasted right now that we're that we are even having this conversation right now. So, this needs to be fixed before this is voted on. and
the city of Parkland, Mayor Rich Walker, the city manager, they need to be notified about this immediately. >> Can I I just want to say it again. The resolution said if we don't close on buying the
property, then the money shall be refunded. Okay. So the nuance was if we didn't build a school. So the money was given right towards buying the land to build a school. We didn't build a school. But the resolution said if there
was no closing on the sale. There was closing on the sale in 2006. So I'm just stating what was in the resolution that the city passed, not the school board. So that's all I'm stating. I think um uh Miss Alf and Madam Chair,
we'll need uh Mr. Cooney and the and the general counsel here uh as far as interpreting that resolution from the city um they would need to interpret it u based on their legal recommendation before we move forward. And I'm just
saying that out of respect and good partners with the city of Parkland that this is discussed with them and clearly rectified before this board votes on this cuz
I I was not understanding. I was asking the question just to get the thumbs up like yes this was happening. So I am really shocked right now. Miss Jack Adams >> through the chair. I'm getting a copy of the resolution so that I can review it
right now. >> And I I don't know um if there's a different strategy that the board can take. I I know as far as the deal between Broward Health and Broward County Public Schools, it doesn't have anything to do with it. It's a little
it's separate. So, I don't know if we could close this deal and then the board can make a different decision as a as a board corporate on settling or or doing something different for the city of Parkland. And so, I would I would uh extend that to um the GC's office to see
if the board can do something separate because I know the the deal before us right now is between us and Brow Health. >> Mixen. Well, I think Mrs. Before I go, Mrs. Alade had made a motion about adding something to the exhibit. I don't know
that we finished. >> That's correct. >> That So, are we still on that? She has the floor. So I'll repeat the motion on amendment for the Eagles Haven exhibit page 34 where it says purchaser
has agreed to make a charitable donation of $1.5 million to the Jewish adoption and foster care options. >> Okay, DBA Eagles Haven.
So I I think it's fine to put it in there. It's not part of our contract. It's just part of an exhibit. It could be in parentheses. So far, it's not changing what our contract is, but I know Mrs. um Bowman had had a concern last week about how do we know they're
really going to do it. So, if it's at least in our somewhere in here, we know that they've said publicly that they're going to donate that money, but the exhibit isn't part of the contract. It's just like saying they're going to donate
the money um to that I would also just say to the other piece, I don't think we should hold up the purchase by Broward Health for a discussion about the money going to Parkland. I I don't necessarily have a problem with if we owe them that
money to give it to them, but I think they're two separate things and I would hate to hold this up for that. I I think we could direct the superintendent to bring that piece back to us and still allow this piece to go forward. >> Miss Thompson. Respectfully,
I'm still confused because I think there's two different pieces. There's the city of Parkland $850,000 >> piece that they had and then the Eagles Haven by my understanding was something different that they had agreed to the amount. So, the amount wouldn't be the
850,000. It would be like that's why I'm >> confused by the motion >> the the motion on the floor. Sorry to the motion on the floor is simply to add into that page 34 Eagles Haven exhibit
that the donation is $1.5 million. That's the motion on the floor. >> Miss Bowman. Um my understanding on as of Friday was that the G our general counsel and general counsel and council for Broward Health
had come to an agreement that the documentation was sufficient for both parties to make the donation so that Broward Health had proper documentation and that we did as well. Is that >> true?
>> Attorney has that remain true. Attorney Dri Bruno Berno. >> That's correct. We um had a lot of conversation with regards to this contract and this negotiation. The language that is in the exhibit B is language that was negotiated between the
parties where you need to be very careful that we're not co-mingling the transactions. Uh and that's one of the reasons that is drafted the way that it is. And we also included Jaffco. Originally, there was not going to be an exhibit B to this document at all cuz we
on behalf of the school board need to be very careful. Um, but Broward Health had some other legal issues that they need to address and that's why we came to the agreement to attach this particular exhibit B. If you want to put on the record based on our understanding that
the amount that is being donated is 1.5 million, we can put that on the record. I've had conversations with them and they've confirmed with me and I think it's even in one of my emails that they've confirmed it's $1.5 million. Um, we cannot go back and um reddraft this
exhibit. This is a negotiated um language between the parties. So, and I I don't know I see Mr. Agabusu >> also if I can get Mr. Sullivan um to add. >> Uh yes. Um Mr. Uh David Clark's here from Broward Health and I I know he's
happy to share publicly on the record the the donation amount if we allow him to come up to the mic at willow board. >> Good afternoon commissioners. Um Miss uh Bruner is right. We've had extension extensive conversations about that exhibit and in fact to go on the record
the dollar amount is $1.592 million. That's what in the spirit of fair negotiations with Jaffco, that's the that's the actual number that that we committed to. >> That works for me. >> Um through the chair and the
superintendent, I had a followup that was sent to the board on um February 14th of 2024. Mr. Salad, you actually asked the question regarding the money, right? So the question um
was the school board the response we gave because your question was um anyway the answer we gave because I have the actual resolution quoted. So we said the schoolboard does not have a contract with the city regarding the site.
Rather the schoolboard closed on the site to buy the site in 2006 as a component of the purchase transaction and then the city contributed 850. Right? So the city commission motion I mean I'm sorry resolution said the city commission
hereby authorizes city manager to release $850,000 being held pursuant to the agreement solely for the purpose purposes of facilitating the closing of the purchase contract to enable the
Braano school board to purchase the property as described herein. Any payment any payment shall be made only with the express understanding that if the transaction does not close
the 850 um,000 payment shall be returned to the city. So we close on the transaction to buy the property. That's what I was stating. That's what the city motion said. So again, the city did a motion. The school board didn't do a motion. the city I
mean I'm sorry did a resolution >> Mrs. Alha. >> Okay. I I don't agree with the angle that you're taking. This is taxpayers money
that the city of Parkland had given the school board of Ber County $850,000 over 15 years. That money has sat with us where the city of Parkland could have invested
that money over the last 15 years. They were promised to have a school. We made the decision not to build a school there. And so now, as good partners with the city of Parkland,
we need to give them back the $850,000. And I don't think this quivering of words, a resolution, not having the city of Parkland here to to speak about this is is is awful. This is
not being good partners. So I don't know how we move forward right now because this is this is one this is one agreement. Part of the agreement, and you see it in the background history, is speaking about the $850,000
contributed by the city of Parkland. We didn't live up to our our end of the bargain. We we didn't build an elementary school there. We're not building it. We're Broward County Public Schools is the one that's getting the $15 million.
And so we need to be good partners with the city of Parkland and give them back their $850,000 that they have clearly invested with us for the last 15 years. So may I make a recommendation to the
board? Um, another two different transactions. I see the resolution. I need to digest it a little bit more and read it a little bit more thoroughly and talk to my team. Um, with regards to the sale of the land to Broward Health, I don't
think this is going to impact the sale. Now, what we do with the proceeds from that sale, I think, is what Miss Alhadaf is is asking about. So maybe we move forward with the actual sale of the land and then we'll come back with a followup in terms of what is our legal obligation
and what the board can do and any recommendations we may have at that time. You still have the form. Mrs. I would like that if we need to do that in a very timely manner and and have the city of Parkland aware
of that item so that they can be here to speak about it because in my eyes that $850,000 should go back to the city of Parkland. done. >> Thank you, Miss Thompson.
>> Um, I was going to make a motion to direct the superintendent to uh and the general counsel to review this because it happened in 2006, so long before I was here. Um, to review the legal agreement and then have the superintendent meet with the city of
Parkland and come back with an item as soon as that can be done. >> Miss Bman. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. A motion made by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on the motion. Board member comment on the motion. Miss
Hixon. >> Thank you. I just Can you add a time certain? So maybe by the July 28th schoolboard meeting, bring it back as an item for us to discuss. >> That's fine. If both the general counsel and the superintendent think it can be completed by then. I'll lean on the
general counsel because I know they have to do their own review and come up u an interpretation. >> Yeah, we we have to review both the resolution and the actual contract. So I I'm sure we can bring something back by July 28th. Okay, Miss Bowman,
>> I think the protection that in addition to obviously getting the legal review is that what um we move forward with the sale, but we're not spending the $850,000. So, that will be put away pending the
determinations of the parties so that everyone can feel comfortable with that. >> Can we add that? >> Miss Hixon, I had you on the list. Yeah, >> Dr. Hoes. >> Yeah, Madam Chair. Um, based upon board member Bulman's, um, suggestion, I
believe she wanted to inquire if board member Thompson would like to add her feedback as a part of the item that the $850 $850,000 is reserved. I don't know if that's going to be from the sale of the land,
uh, but that it is not spent until we come back and have a discussion. >> Yeah, I can. Hold on. Um, so my motion was to direct the general counsel to review
um all legal documents related to this $850,000 and then direct the superintendent to meet with the city of Parkland um and then also to hold that $850,000
separate until that discussion is brought back to the board. >> Okay. Um, board member Thompson, just for clarification, when you say hold at 850,000, is it being held from the >> Just don't spend it, guys. >> But, but is it being held from the sale or is it from the sale of that? I just
want to So, do you want to Yeah. >> include that in the motion? >> Sure. >> Okay. So, 850,000 being held from the sale of the park trails. >> Okay. Got it. Second, >> Miss Hixon, I just want to because that
kind of made it a little confusing. It isn't that Broward Health is taking $850 from the sale. You're just saying once we get that $15 million, $850 is going to be put Okay, because it the way it's worded could go a different my mind went
a different way. So, I just doesn't affect the sale. This is something completely. M um u madame chair, I'd just like to finish. So um so the the understanding
of the motion is um clarified by board member Hixon. Um so that's my understanding as well and that's what I'll be voting on. So I second the motion. >> Thank you. Anyone else on the motion? All in favor of the motion say I.
>> I. >> All oppose say no. Motion passes unanimously. Mrs. Ala. >> Miss Hixon. I just want to say thank you to Broward Health for um stepping up to
do this for hearing the intent that we had for the community to make sure we could could make a sale of a land but partner to make sure the community is strong and healthy. Um, so and thank you to my colleagues for supporting it. Thank you.
>> Anyone else, Miss Bowman? >> Thank you. I really appreciate that we were able to come to this resolution and check all the boxes in a creative way. Thanks. >> Thank you. Anyone else? All in favor of
item 64, say I. Oh, as amended, say I. >> I. >> All oppose, say no. Item 64 uh as amended passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 35, please?
>> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 35. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. Mr. Ca. >> Thank you, chair. um just want the
public to be completely aware of what we um are doing with this um 250 million in short-term tax anticipation notes. Um I'm going to regurgitate I guess to the superintendent and Dr. Superintendent,
you tell me if my understanding um is correct after I've reviewed this. Um, I believe the purpose of this is to address short-term cash flow uh by borrowing to pay district operating expenses before our anticipated tax
revenues come in for the next tax uh cycle. And I believe this is in conformity with 10 uh Florida statute 1011-13 which basically allows us to negotiate uh these kind of loans if you will when
school funds are um expected to be insufficient during the course of a fiscal year. Um is that summary uh accurate sir? >> Yes, that's accurate. >> Okay. So we're basically borrowing against next year's tax dollars to pay
for our bills this year. Um, no, that's that part isn't um accurate. I'll let Miss Johnson um kind of clear up. >> The CFO, of course, I I apologize. I should have directed this to you from the get-go. >> The chair, we do this every year. We go
issue a TAN note for cash flow purposes. It's how our revenue um comes into the district as sometimes we're low until we get our tax revenue in December start flowing in. So, this is usual. So, this is kind of like a liquidity short-term
borrowing type of resolution. Yes. >> And you've said we've always done this in the past. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Whether we are financially strapped or not, we always borrow and we invest the money to make more money. >> Uh are there >> based on the rates that we can get the
10 at a lower rate than we can actually invest our money. >> Understood. Are there any associated interest costs? >> Yes. With this? >> Yes, there's interest costs, but it's a flat rate. >> Okay. What is that flat rate? >> I think it's around5 million, but we usually invest and get like seven million back.
>> So it it costs us $5 million to do this. >> Yeah. But we invest we invest our money and we earn more money than we're borrowing. >> Okay. So by purpose of the investment, we'll receive an ROI of 7 million. So we'll be a net at two million.
>> Correct. >> Okay. Uh, thank you for the clarification, madame CFO, and I'm not going to give you any credit, Hepper, because you directed me to her, but thank you for answering the first questions, too.
>> Okay, any further board member comments on item 35? Okay, those in favor of item 35 say I. >> Those opposed say no. >> Okay, item 35 pass. Uh, I need a motion and second on item 36.
Okay. Moved by board member Thompson, second by board member Hixon. Any public comments? >> No comment. >> Very good. Any board discussion? Item 36. >> Okay. Those in favor of item 36 say I. >> Those opposed say no.
>> Okay. Item 36 pass. Uh, need a motion and a second for item 37. >> Okay. Uh, move by board member Bulman, second by board member Hixon. Uh, public comments on on item 37. No comment. >> No public comment. Uh board discussion
item 37. Okay. Uh board member Thompson. >> Thank you, Vice Chair. Um so I had a question about this item related to teacher costs in the classroom. We got
an email um June 22nd that the teachers are being limited a thousand copies per teacher per month. Um, is this related to this item? And, um, was that directive given?
>> Sue. >> Uh, yes. Uh, I'm going to turn it over to Mr. uh, Bradford. He'll be able to respond to the question. >> Good afternoon. Uh, Matthew Bradford, executive director of technology operations. Uh, yes, that is a quota that we are looking to implement to help us with, uh, lessening our spend from a
printing perspective. We've not put that in place yet, but we looking to do that uh as soon as this uh item is approved. >> So then I have some follow-ups. Okay. Um with that implementation, will teachers with additional class periods or larger student loads re receive additional
copies? >> We can look at that. When it comes to uh those particular incidents, um the principal has unlimited printing at that particular school. So, uh, if there are issues when it comes to volume, we can definitely address those on a case- by case, uh, scenario.
>> So, who would approve that, the district or the principal? >> The principal has the opportunity to actually have the prints from her or his uh, location, but if there's any changes to quota, we we can definitely deal with those uh, individually. So, if the pr if
the principal sees that for that particular uh, teacher, we can address that. They can just communicate with us when it comes to those needs. So would the process then be the teacher realizes that they need additional copies, they go to the principal, the principal then goes to you. >> The principal can print those copies
from theirstead. If they need a quot increase for that particular teacher individually, we can deal with that as necessary. >> And then how will copies be accounted for if the copier GMs misprints or produces unusable pages? >> That's a great question. And we can deal
with that on a case by case scenario as well. But we monitor uh printing so we can know the number of prints per device. And so if there's any issue as far as jams or anything of that magnitude, we can address that as well. >> So should the teacher if they encounter that problem just send an email to the
principal so there's documentation of it occurring? >> That doesn't necessarily have to happen, but they can easily do that. >> Okay. Um, how will the district ensure compliance with 504 plans and IEPs that require students to receive hard copies of notes, assignments, and instructional
materials? Well, as far as that goes, there's no situation where the that prints can't happen at the school because even if that teacher meets his or her quota, the principal can still print whatever needs to be printed if for whatever reason
they they ex exceed that that amount. Okay. So, the concerns about like ACE and Cambridge programming assessments that are paperbased, all that can kind of be circumvented by the principal is what I'm hearing
>> as necessary. Yes. >> So then if the goal is to have this quota, but then the principal can just circumvent it, do you see any issues with that? I'd rather not give you my opinion as far as that goes. But um at the end of
the day, we want to make certain that we can manage as much as we can when it comes to printing. The printer the the principle is a fail safe as far as that goes if there are any issues when it comes to printing. Printing is variable, right? So it es and flows as far as uh uh individuals that are using printers.
So it's not a situation where we've seen when it comes to usage that people just don't have the ability to print. We're just trying to do as much we possibly can to curtail it as much as we can >> and and I understand and I think just from an environmental perspective it's good to have less less printing um and
to know that there is that flexibility for them within their their school environment I think will ease some teachers hopefully will ease some teachers concerns about it. Thank you. >> Thank you Miss Hixon. Thank you. Um, I
also have a couple of questions and I I appreciate all of that feedback because I can tell you as a teacher when Kinko's was in business, I was probably their best customer because we had a limit on what we could print. Um, but I have a question on the financial workshop I
mean worksheet. So on if originally this item was $15,500,000 and it was for three years and then it says total invoice to date was $10,65464,691. So the unused there's an unused portion
which is $4.8 million and you're asking for 3.8 eight here, which brings us to 8 million 8.6, which is about 2 million less than what was in the original um ask for the three years. And I
personally have concern with that because as we're discussing using less screen time that will then move into having to use more paper because that's really what's been asked of us in the elementary level, not necessarily middle and high school
level. I have a a concern, but I I know that it's possible if we don't have enough money for you to come back and ask us for more money. Um, and and I'm very environmentally conscious, so I'm not trying to just say we should we
should use a lot of paper um or plastic, by the way. Um, but I I just have concern that we're we're looking to do less, but ultimately moving towards asking them to use paper more. So, um, I
hope that this is enough. If it's not, I hope that you will not lay it on the teachers to say, "Hey, there's no more money." But you would come back to us and say, you know, based on the changes that we're making in screen time and software use and all of that that it's
just there more money needs to be put in there because it does fall on the teachers. When you're when your limit is up, you go to Kinko's or wherever makes copies now. I don't I don't know where they do it. I was never aware that principles had unlimited supply or how I
could go to the principal and I bargained with my my neighbors around me. So, um I just have a huge concern about how this affects teachers in the classroom if it's not enough money. Um so, thank you. >> Thank you, Mrs. Alhadev.
>> Thank you. So we're talking about paper being used at the school level and then also paper being used at the district level right now for the money that's being asked. What how much money is being allocated
for the district? >> Uh Mr. Bradford I think she's referring to uh the 3.8. What's the uh budget for district versus the schools? >> Great question. Thank you for that question. Uh 3.1 is for the district
overall inclusive of schools and departments. Uh let me give you the average spend. Um on average we've spent $2.3 million as far as schools over the past three years. So if you look at that with the $3.1 million ask around 800,000
or so is district related versus schools. >> Okay. So, uh would I would like to um I'm going to make a motion the 800,000 to the district to cut that entire
budget and have the district go 100% green using zero paper and and keep the the schools at their 2.3 million. Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. Because if
we're we're never going Yes, we're getting there little by little, but at the district level, we need to be more green and electronic and we have the computers,
>> but if we continue to allow paper, like I'm looking over there, I see a stack of paper. That's probably like a thousand sheets of paper over there. So you you can't get people to change their behavior unless you just stop stop
the money being allocated for the paper. So I move to cut $800,000 from this item cutting the entire district paper budget. >> Is there a second?
>> There is a second. >> Motion made by Mrs. Alhadaf, seconded by Mr. Sea. Public comment on the motion. Board member comment on the motion. Sorry. Uh before we go to board member comment, Mr. Sullivan.
>> Yeah, I would have some concerns about a 100% zeroed out. A lot of our items from the the board have to be signed physically. Um so schoolboard records, uh having those type of records, we would need the ability to print. And I'm sure my colleagues might want to jump in
too. Um they might have a need for print as well for uh legal reasons beyond uh convenience, but I can speak for schoolboard records. We print a lot of documents that the chair and the superintendent have to wet sign. There's no ability to do that electronically yet
is my understanding. So I would have a concern uh zeroing that out to to zero for the district. But just want to put that out there. Miss Miss Thompson, >> I would also have concerns about ADA compliance and people being able to
print for those reasons. I'm fine with lowering the budget, but I think zeroing out I have some concerns on on implementations. Also, we print like proclamations, which we've been doing now a lot. like so are are we thinking staff are going to like I just don't
think zeroing out is actually feasible but reducing it um I could be on board with >> Miss Hixon. Thank you. I agree. I was going to say I know there's a lot of legal documents that require a wet signature. So to zero it out completely
um doesn't make sense. by, you know, maybe cutting it in half or cutting it by a third and moving along to do that. I understand your point and I don't necessarily disagree, but you know, educ
education sometimes requires paper and I appreciate you're not touching the school budget, but people in this building are also doing education. Remember, there's a whole group of people that go out to do workshops and things of that nature. So, I wouldn't
agree with zeroing it out, but I would agree to some kind of um reduction. >> Okay. So, I'll amend my motion to leave $200,000. >> Uh public comment on the amendment. Okay. Um I just had I had a question
with regards to this uh because I would very much like to not have to wet sign all of those papers in OSBR. Um, why is it that we can't do an E signature given that like I did that for my mortgage?
>> Um, I would have to get with the GC, but there's some documents, my understanding legally need they need to be wet signed. Um, but I can get with the GC to see if what we can streamline in terms of it being electronically versus uh signing it digitally.
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think to everyone's point, like to be able to to start streamlining that and do as little on paper at the district as possible would be lovely. Any other board member comments on the motion?
Oh, and Lily wants to speak. Um, okay. So, the only concern I'm going to say with that, cuz I was going to ask about this earlier, is our ACE classes, as the exams for ACE are completely on paper. They're not digital. Um, and it is extremely important that our students
practice strictly with paper because the actual exam is on paper unless a student has um a different plan for that. So, that's just something I want to make sure we also consider with the printing because I know that if teachers can't print the papers that you need for ACE, that might um hurt our students.
>> This isn't touching schools, just the district. Miss Hixon, >> I'd like to make a friendly amendment to make it $400,000. >> Accepted. >> Accepted. Um, all in favor of the motion
say I. >> I. >> I. >> Discuss. >> Sorry. Dr. Holes would like to ask some questions. >> I am so sorry. Um, so, uh, through the superintendent. Um, I just want to know and I support reducing printing, but I also would
prefer to have information as to uh based upon looking at all the departments and the needs and what needs to be printed versus electronic signature um to have information that tell us uh this is the bare minimum to which we could survive with with not
printing because to throw out a number without data I am I don't know what the needs are because we haven't done a needs assessment on items that are absolutely should be printed versus those that can be electronically signed. So, is this an item um that is that has
to be passed today or is or could we get information back on this? >> Uh I believe we do have to pass it today. If the um Mr. Bradford, if I'm uh incorrect, just speak up. Um, I believe with the reduction of the half for the district, uh, we'll see if that works
and we could always come back and add more money, uh, ask the board for more money, but I believe it does have to pass for the schools today. >> Okay. So, so um, Mr. Sullivan, with the $400,000 being uh, here in this motion, uh, can
staff speak to that as to whether or not they anticipate problems? Um, I mean I I don't want where you you run out of the opportunity to print and you have to wait uh two three weeks for a board meeting uh that is now going to impact
the functioning of the district cuz I don't have any data. I am voting on something up in the air just a number throw out there. Uh I prefer to have information to make an informed decision. >> Mr. Bradford if you have anything to add please. >> Thank you again. Um, at the end of the
day, we've not necessarily done an assessment when it comes to district spending, when it comes to printing. But what I can offer as a suggestion, as we are putting quotas in place for schools and teachers when it comes to a,000 prints per device, we can leverage the same type of quota when it comes to district spending as well, district
printing as well, uh, to kind of see what that reduction would be versus giving a hard number. We can limit what what's printed at the district level to kind of see what that looks like and then we can communicate what the savings are on the back end of that. Okay. So, so here's my question, right? I run a
small business. If someone says to me, "Here's the money to run your small business." I can easily say, "This is not going to work. I'm going to shut down in two weeks." What do you think is the number besides what we're discussing here that will allow you to function?
>> Without doing that assessment, it's very difficult for me to give you a >> So, no one knows. >> Um, but you but you this item has a number in it, right? >> As far as district spending. Yeah. >> Yes. We're we're looking at around $800,000 that we spend annually when it
comes to printing at the district level. >> Okay. So So you're looking at $800,000. We are deciding on $400,000. Right. So how that's cutting it by 50%. Do you foresee any issues doing so?
>> I absolutely do. Uh but it's very difficult to know definitively without having an assessment as to >> All right. So here's another question. the 800,000 >> would you would you say that's excessive that that 800,000 is doing more than what you actually need if we start to do
electronic signatures on those that can be signed electronically >> I mean that that would lessen the the footprint from a printing perspective but I wouldn't say it was excessive >> okay so if we reduce the 800,000 because you you sort of implied 400,000 might be problematic if we reduce the 800,000
um what would not be problematic would 600,000 not be problematic. >> Again, without doing an assessment, it's very difficult for me to accept a specific number. >> Okay. So, it it's very hard for me to make a decision and I wish we could actually come back with this item
because we don't have information because staff is saying 400,000 could be problematic. Uh 800,000 does the job. What's the in between? What What is the balance? I I really don't know. I don't have information. >> Mrs. Is that >> I think it's about changing behaviors,
changing culture, and changing just willy-nilly excessive printing. Again, I just look around this room and I see thousands of pieces of paper being print when everybody has this computer in front of them that
could be looking at the agenda. So, if the board doesn't take a hard stance, then the behavior will not change. It will stay the same. >> Any other board member discussion on the motion? All in favor of the motion say
I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> No. >> No. >> Motion passes with two dissenting votes. Uh we are back to the item. Any other board discussion on the item? All in favor of the item as amended say
I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes as amended unanimously. We still have, I think, 21 items left in the workshop. Could I get a motion and a second on item 38, please? >> So moved. Mo
>> moved by Miss Hixon, second by Mrs. Alhidev. Public comment on item 38. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. Mr. Ca. >> Thank you, Chair. um took a look at this agreement and I've
got some questions regarding the student mental health data uh parental consent and some third party data sharing parameters that appear to be missing um from this. Um first off I want to make sure that I'm clear Sullivan you're
sitting in a chair so get ready. >> Um >> I'm ready. In reviewing this, it would appear that the the student data that's being collected and share is is not, you know, your ordinary data that you'd receive in an educational
software. um my notes indicating that we're sharing student names, ID numbers, birth dates, gender, race, ethnicity, grade level, course assignments, parental email addresses, school information,
class rosters, GPA, state test scores, unexcused absences, tardies, suspensions, and um responses to prior health screenings. What are first of all that's I think we can all agree that's a pretty wide
pretty broad um data set that we're sharing with these folks. What exactly uh is being put in place that we feel comfortable with to protect all this data pursuing to this agreement? >> Um Miss Hollingsworth, do you have
anything to add to that or should I turn that over to general counsel? Oh, I was turning over back to general counsel. Sorry. Please excuse me. I'm I'm reading the portion of the agreement that deals with education records.
I would like to make a general statement that whenever a contract is being reviewed, it is always reviewed and approved by the um district's uh privacy officer. And in reviewing the agreement, only the education records that are
absolutely necessary for the contracts is placed within that contract. And then also in section 2.8 8 there is a vendor safeguarding of the confidentiality of the education records. Uh and that is a
very robust provision that safeguards each and every one of the records. It even has safeguards as to IT security. >> Okay. So, our your response is it was
looked at by a safety and security officer um presumably approved if it's gotten to this point, but nothing really out of the ordinary with this contract. Anything else? >> The way that we uh review our contracts,
the privacy officer only includes the education records that are absolutely necessary for this particular procurement. So, each procurement for each contract is different. And so these um these uh education records that's listed in 2.7.2
are the education records absolutely necessary for this particular procurement. >> So you feel comfortable disclosing this much of our student data to a third party. Mr. Chuck Adams >> ask that question again. >> You feel comfortable based on the language of the agreement and the review
of the privacy officer. I apologize I improperly identified him as a safety and security officer instead of privacy officer. But you feel comfortable in releasing this data based on the privacy officer's findings and the text of this contract. >> So the privacy officer did sign off on
this and I'm looking at the provisions and they are the standard safety uh excuse me standard safeguarding provisions and this these safeguarding provisions are very robust. it it even
has a provision in there with regards to uh redisclosures and the safeguarding of those redisclosures. >> I also noticed in this agreement that um it expressly allows for terrorist metrics to redisclose educational records and information to Midas
Education Inc. to create a dashboard for um our staff to monitor the behavioral health and academic status. the um metrics folks, the terrorist metrics folks uh are ultimately tasked with
being responsible for how third parties comply with the agreement. But I noticed that Midas Education Inc. was not a signatory to the agreement. My understanding if that a party is not a signatory to the agreement unless they
are a third party beneficiary and I'm not sure if that's what Midas Education's position is but my understanding if a party does not execute an agreement it's hard to bind them to said agreement. So what can we
do to ensure that Midas Education Inc. is properly guarding this data? So through the chair there is no privity between ourselves and Midas. The privity is between us and terracemetrics and
within uh 2.8.3 liability there is a full indemnity um for the education records that we provide to them that they somehow mishandle. And then also in two section 2.10 Washington uh terrorist metrics
takes full responsibility um for any negligence or omissions. So our privy is with tismetrics. So if there's any type of impropriy, we would we would uh handle that with tourist metrics.
>> Well, that's a good that's a good segue into my last question. You mentioned an indemnity agreement. Um my notes indicated that the um liability on here is limited to a million dollars for a litany of instances including a cyber uh
breach or I think they call it cyber liability coverage. Um are you comfortable with only a million dollars in coverage in the event of a cyber breach of this type of information with our students? Let me take a look at um the liability.
So there is an insurance provision with certain limitations but the general liability and indemnity in section 2.25.2 uh there is no limitation. >> Okay. So um perhaps I misinterpreted the
contract. There is no million-doll cap on any of the cyber liability coverage under this agreement in the event of a leak or breach. >> I see no limitation of liability in this agreement.
>> Okay. Thank you for the uh the answers and well done to just jump in there and be put on the spot. I appreciate you. >> Not a problem. >> Any other board member discussion? >> Just a quick one, chair. >> Go ahead, Dr. Zean. Thanks so much. Um, I noted in this contract when I read it
before that there were 55,000 students covered. Which 162,000 students will not be covered with this capability? >> Mr. Sullivan, >> uh, Miss Hollingsworth, if you don't mind. >> Good afternoon. Simone Hollingsworth, chief student services officer. Dr.
Zean, the 55,000 students we identify through um the data sets of the schools and students that have the highest SRRA and BTAS. Um so that's how we're identifying those um those tier one really truly in the other direction students and looking at the 162,000
students in regards to um really early intervention prevention and identification other ways because we want to make sure that all individuals can identify warning signs of our students. So, these are really for um those schools and students that we see as needing a higher level so we can
connect them with more intense resources. >> Terrific. Am I right, uh, Dr. Hollingsworth, that this is limited to 15 sites or is it really for all 224 schools that we have? >> Well, sorry, my microphone went out. We do
target 15 schools, but we have the ability because it is parent consent driven. So, if we don't use those 55,000 site licenses, we can look other at other locations as we organize that with the schools. >> I'm sorry, just just to be clear, this contract does not limit us to 15
schools. >> Correct. We identified 15 schools, but we have the 55,000 site licenses. So, we can we we try to start with the schools that have the highest SRRA and BTAS, but then we will expand because we want to be able to I you know, utilize and and engage with as many students as possible
per their parent consent. >> Okay. I don't like the way the contract reads because it doesn't sound like like uh like you have more than 15 sites, but uh I will take your question at face value. Thank you very much. Thank you, >> Mrs. Alf. Could we get a list of the 15
schools? >> Um, yes, Miss Hollenssworth, >> we can do that. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> All in favor of item 38 say I. >> All those say no. >> Item passes unanimously. Could I get a
Oh, before uh I do that, I do need to take a an Artina motion to extend the meeting. I would say an hour. Uh moved by Miss Bulman, second by Miss Hixon. All in favor of extending the meeting say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no.
>> No. >> Motion to extend the meeting by an hour. Passes with one dissenting vote. Two dissenting votes. Uh >> no, not I'm not dissenting. I'm just wondering what's supposed going to happen with our workshop. Did we decide on that? >> We have to go to that when we're done with this meeting. Yes.
>> Ah, okay. >> Um Okay. with passes with one dissenting vote from Dr. Zean. Uh, could I get a motion a second on item 40, please? >> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 40. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion.
All in favor of item 40. Say I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion to second on item 42? >> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Ala. Public comment on 42. >> No comment. Board member discussion. Miss Hixon is
saying that 42 was withdrawn. >> It was added. Uh board member discussion on item 42. Miss Hixon. Thank you. I this was I believe supposed to be
withdrawn along with all the other um software things. Dr. Con, can you through the through the chair? Uh, give me one sec. Just looking at the list of the items that were supposed to be withdrawn. No, we withdrew 41 but not 42. Unless
Dr. Con, you have something different. >> No. Um, and I have Richie Bomb here that can speak specifically because I know that um, the ones that you identified were questions pertaining to the the surveys, but we can if we need to go
back and and withdraw them, we can we can vote against and then bring it back. U, Miss Hixon. >> Okay. Cuz I have the same concern on this one that that I had on other ones. Um, so if you look at the financial worksheet, it says that un the unused
spending authority, the author >> authorized spending is $90,000 that they only spent $900 on this item on average. >> Yeah. So, and one of the things I want to do is thank you for bringing that to our attention because that's something
that I think we're taking back as a team uh to revisit because you're absolutely right. If if the board approved an original amount and we only spend a certain amount, then technically it is we still have that amount moving into the next year if the contract still is
in play for the next year. And I believe um Richie if you >> Yeah. So, what we can do um because I believe some of the items the contract actually ends uh now we'd have to bring a new contract to the board which means
that we'll have to do a little leg work on the back end uh to do that. So, I'm fine with taking this off uh voting it down and we bring it back. >> Okay. And if you like to ask um >> Miss Johnson because this was a question
we had. So if there's spend authority and the contract ends, what happens to the unused authorized spending, where does that money go? >> It flows back into the fund balance. >> So that would increase what's available
in our fund balance. So possibly at the end of the year, >> it would be higher based on that because that money does get set aside. So it's counted as spent already. or do you wait? There was a whole issue between authorized spending and then coming to
us to actually spend it. So >> if it's in a budget and they don't spend the total amount of the contract, it goes back to the fund balance and then when they come back based on their budget for the next fiscal year, we have to see if budget available for that spend.
>> Okay. Thank you. So I personally I think this should have gone with the other they all have the same issue. So I I guess does it make sense to table this and bring it back with all the other ones or just vote it down? I don't know. Make a motion to table this item till
the July 28th school board meeting. >> Second. Thank you. >> Motion made by me, seconded by Miss Thompson. Public comment on the motion. >> Board member discussion on the motion. >> All in favor of the motion say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. >> Uh motion passes unanimously. The item is table. Could I get a motion in a
second on item 43, please? >> Second. Moved by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment on item 43. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. All in favor of item 43 say I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose say no.
>> Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 44? >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Thompson. Second by Miss Hixon. Public comment. >> No comment. >> Board member discussion. >> Mr. Sea. >> All in favor of item 44 say I. I.
>> All oppose say no. >> No. >> Uh item passes with one dissenting vote. Mr. Ca. >> Could I get a motion second item 47, please? >> So move. >> Motion made by Miss Bulman, seconded by Miss Thompson. Public comment on 47.
>> No comment. >> Board member comment. >> All in favor of 47 say I. I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion to second item 48? >> So move. Moved by Miss Hixon, seconded
by Miss Bowman. Public comment. >> No comment on the remainder of the agenda. >> Thank you. Board member comment. All in favor of item 48, say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Um, could I get a motion? Sorry.
Item 48 passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 49, please? >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Thompson. Public comment. Uh, no public comment. Board member discussion on 49. All in favor of item 49 say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes
unanimously. Could I get a motion or second on item 50? >> So move. >> Moved by Miss Hixon. Second by Miss Thompson. Uh board member discussion. All in favor of item 50 say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Um item passes
unanimously. Um I have a question to my colleagues. Would we be is could we identify the items that board members will be pulling so we can group them together and pass them? Mrs. Alhidef >> 63. >> Miss Hixon
>> 54 and 55. >> Anyone else? Mr. Sea >> 54 >> and 57 >> and 57. Any other items that have So I've been told that board members would like to speak on 54, 55, 57, and 63. Are
there any other items that board members would like to speak to? >> 52. >> 52. Anything else before I start grouping them? >> Okay. So, could I get a motion on items 51,
53, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62? Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Mrs. Alhadf. There's no public comment. Board member discussion on the items that I just named.
It was again 51 53 58 59 60 61 62. Seeing none, all in favor of those items say I. >> All oppose say no. Items pass
unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 52? Moved by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Bulman, public comment on No. Seeing no public comment, board member comment item 52. >> Chair, I asked to talk on this.
>> Dr. Zean, >> thank you so much. Um, this and the substitute teacher contract um are real opportunities for us to think a little bit differently. Um, you know, we hire contracted uh substitutes and we hire
contracted speech language pathologists um because we have to and a couple years ago we tried to give a bonus to SLPs and see if we could uh recruit enough of them. Uh my only request uh to the superintendent would be that we try and
think a little bit holistically about um you know particularly the SLPs. Did we not increase their pay enough for those that work for Broward County? Um, are there other opportunities like paid internships for the college? Uh, I think there would be graduate level SLPs that
need to do internships somewhere, but just spending $17 million to hire uh SLPs, while it's critical to our students, um, seems like a very expensive thing to do when we know that by increasing their pay, we did get more
SLPs hired and we're able to pay a much closer to market rate for those. So, uh, the only thing I'm asking from the superintendent is just, um, respond back within a month, uh, to the school board, uh, with any ideas or amendments that
you'd like to make, uh, that would be analytical about, you know, what are the other things we could do that might not cost us $17 million. So that going forward if the school board needs to increase the bonus or increase the additional uh salary, needs to fund
internships that we don't fund before, needs to think differently about how we market Broward County to graduates of uh graduate programs from SLPs. I would just like us to get a good kind of human capital analysis of this so that we know
that $17 million is really the best way to go. What this leaves us with is $17 million worth of contracted SLPs and, you know, a grunch of money that pays Broward County uh SLPs. And that's a real problem because they compare each other notes with each other. If one is
paying more than the other, one has a little bit better benefits than the other. Uh often what you'll see is, you know, Broward County Schools SLP leaking over to the contractor side. Uh maybe because the pay or the benefits are both are better than what we're paying. So, the only thing I'm asking for, superintendent, is in a month if you
could get us some information on whether or not there's a better way to do this long term, uh, given that we made this change a couple years ago. >> Uh, yeah, we can go ahead and do that. I know the team's been working hard on this, uh, issue. There's some challenges, but we're happy to provide, uh, different opportunities or ideas to
the board. >> Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Mr. Sullivan. >> Any other board discussion? All in favor of item 52 say I. All all oppose say no. Item passes unanimously. Could I get a motion and a
second on item 54? >> Moved by Miss Hixon, second by Miss Thompson. No public comment. Board member discussion. Miss Hixon. Thank you. Um, I appreciate this the spirit of this, but I know that we are
looking for master planning and I really don't want to to mix into that before they get all of this information and direct the superintendent to do things that we don't know make sense. So, I I
appreciate that. We want to build some state-of-the-art replacement schools um as we consolidate campuses because we've been talking about it. But I I personally am not ready to make a directive to the superintendent until we have a master planner in place and we've
looked at all of the pieces first. So, thank you. >> Thank you. And I know this is Dr. Holes's item, so I don't I don't know if you wanted to speak to it, Dr. Ho. >> Um thank you, Madam Chair. And I also um because I had some discussions uh um with staff as well. So if the
superintendent uh I would love for him to be here if he can be uh to provide some input. Um so if uh but um this particular item is is basically as we continue to redefine schools um to to
look at um the possibility of utilizing some of these schools for um building state-of-the-art schools. Um, I've had uh a thorough detailed discussion with staff, including the superintendent. Um, and so I'd like to also have the
superintendent give his input on it as well. The goal is for us to continue to not only redefine schools, but to uh come up with initiatives and plans to attract students to Brow County. So, while we're doing this, simultaneously, we could be um looking at opportunities
to to to build new schools, state-of-the-art schools that would be competitive uh and could attract um more students to Broward County. So, that's the um that's the uh uh intent of the item. And like I said, um I've had
discussion with staff and um uh we've had some adjustments and changes based upon uh uh staff input. Um so if the superintendent could speak on it, I think it would add a little bit more substance to what what the item intends to do. So um I believe he'll be here
shortly. Um Madame Chair, >> I'm phoning a friend. He's coming. >> Could I make a Oh, whoops. He made it in time. It's >> what was the question? >> Dr. Holes, could you uh repeat your request to the superintendent, please?
>> Okay, Dr. He um regarding the item 54 in terms of building state-of-the-art uh schools as we go through the redefining process. Um you know, I know we've we've had some discussions. Uh so I wanted to know if you could expound on uh um some
of the discussions we've had and as I was putting together this item um and taking staff input as well to consideration and the feasibility of doing so. Uh, as I said, the intent of the item is to not only redefine schools
in terms of repurposing schools. Some of them we close, but to look at opportunities where we could build state-of-the-art schools and attract students to Brock County schools. Uh, we are redefining because we're losing students. While we're losing students, we need to have simultaneously
initiatives that will attract students. So, we can't just be reactive to redefining. We have to come up with opportunities that will bring students back. can just imagine as we're redefining, we're building great state-of-the-art schools in Broward County. Uh this is an opportunity, I
think, for us. So, Dr. Heburn, if you could uh >> Yes, absolutely. Um so the the um item actually definitely aligns uh with some of my expectations uh with redefining and also in conjunction with our new capital program that'll be coming on
board with the different um bids out for long range master planner uh program manager strategic advisor um construction managers and the cost control. So, uh, with the long-range master planner and a and a program manager working together, uh, as I've
said, uh, before to the board several times, uh, there's going to be a grand holistic plan for the district. Um, and it's going the redefining is going to move beyond enrollment. Um, as far as being one of the main variables that drive us uh, making considerations about
what we do with some of our schools, it's going to be age of facilities, which we talked about Margate as one. um uh use case um last week where we can't continue to pour money into 1960s and 1970s buildings when we know they're
going to continue to crumble even when we uh renovate portions of those schools. Um so th this definitely aligns where that master planner is going to come to the board and say, "Hey, uh we can't continue to pour 20 30 40 million in this. We need to consolidate and pick
a site to build a new replacement school, state-of-the-art replacement school with all the bells and whistles of modern times so that our school students get uh what they deserve in a modern in a modern facility. So, yes, absolutely. This this this aligns. >> Okay. So, Dr. Hburn, do you foresee any
uh concerns with having this item being passed um as far as your goals for um redefining? Do you believe this is supportive of that goal and also winning students back or possibility of increasing student enrollment and at the
same time provide uh the initiation of in having great facilities in Broward County um as we move through this process year after year? >> Uh yeah, so this definitely aligns with goals and expectations that I have overall uh for the district. We're going to have to build new facilities. One of
our biggest issues is aging facilities that cost a lot of money to renovate and when they start tearing down walls or digging in the soil, we find a lot of unforeseen um um circumstances that you know increases the cost. Um and so building
new state-of-the-art replacement schools is going to help uh retain enrollment and also recruit uh cuz people want um you know shiny new buildings. I think uh for many of our neighborhoods where we do have see um uh impact for charter is
you people look at the facilities first um and then they want to walk into those doors versus looking at some of our our buildings that are built in the 1960s and 1970s. Um so I don't this definitely aligns with our goals and expectations as we move forward. Um because the
redefining initiative and the new capital program strategy are going to converge uh real soon once all of these solicitations are are done and come to the board for approval. And then that master planner um working with the program manager and and um strategic
adviser will come to the board with a overall holistic plan about next steps um that we need to consider and and it's going to include state-of-the-art replacement schools. >> Okay. So there there is no timeline in this item. It is really a great opportunity and I believe would be a
missed opportunity if we don't uh proceed to support um uh as you've heard from the superintendent I this would be a great additive to our redefining process and to improving our school district. So I'm hoping the board members will support this item. Uh it
has no timeline. It is in alignment with what we're trying to do in winning back students and increasing student enrollment. That's the goal of Broward County Schools for my children and hopefully my grandchildren that they can see wonderful schools coming up and we have an opportunity to start that now.
So I'm asking if you would support it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other board member discussion? Mr. Se >> Mr. Sea and then Dr. Zean you can go. >> Thank you. I want to thank Miss Hixon for her comments which I fully agree
with. And um Mr. Mr. Superintendent, how are we paying for all these fanci schools? >> Uh we so when the time comes, we do have more borrowing power um than we've had in the past because our debt ratio is is um going down tremendously. So we have
opportunities to go out for cops. Um and it's uh very um advantageous to us to do so when it comes to for full-on replacement schools versus peace mill. >> So we're going to borrow money to build new schools. Correct. That's a
possibility in the future. And and that's what we've done in a in that's what every school district does in um anyway is use cops to build new facilities. >> And if we're still operating at $und00 million deficit, when it's time to build these schools, are we still going to go out and borrow? >> So that is uh different. This capital
dollars uh you're talking more about general funds when it comes to um some of our financial constraints. >> Is it wise to borrow any amount of money in that? >> It is wise realm when you're operating at that type of deficit. So, I will tell you what the wise thing is to do. The wise thing, and I'll use uh Margate as a
test case, the wise thing is not to pour 20, 30, $40 million into renovating a school that's going to continue to fall apart. And you're spending more money year after year when that same amount of dollars over time could have bought you a brand new state-of-the-art school that
needs less maintenance, that is more efficient, has all the bells and whistles to do what you need to do to support um student learning. Hypothetically speaking, and we'll stick with Margate Middle since you brought it up. >> Yep. >> If we were to build a replacement school to house the Margate Middle kids, how
much do you anticipate something like that would cost? >> Um, I don't know exact figures. Um, what are we with new middle schools these days? Probably about 60 >> uh 60 80 >> uh through chair Mark Dorset, task
assigned chief facility officer. Uh the overall cost right now a average cost is about anywhere from 90 to 120 but but again there was money set aside for a cafeteria building so it offset some of
those dollars. So again, in your hypothetical, I hate to pick on Margate Middle, but you brought it up. Uh, in your hypothetical, it'd be better to build a new middle school for $120 million, then put $20 million into the current structure we
have in Margate. Well, correct. Because you're building a new building, but you still have this 1960s building, and the infrastructure of that 1960s building will continue to erode, continue to need maintenance. And then eventually, you
will be building pieces of that 1960s building because the framework isn't um uh up to par anymore for for uh use by our by our students. So, now we got to take think about life and safety issues. So we uh we just can't continue to pour
large sums of money into those old buildings because uh over let's say you uh over five years of of that time of pouring all that money you've built you could have built a brand new school. >> So let me ask you this sir. We all know what the data shows on declining enrollment. Um are you looking for an
upward swing in that before you would start something like this? >> No. So the plan would be so you have several underenrolled schools, right? And all of them are 1960s and 1970s facilities. The or you could have a
school at capacity in several underenrolled schools. Uh a plan would come to the board that says, "Hey, all three of the right now, uh the FCA, the facilities condition assessment say we have 10 billion dollars in deferred maintenance. we're are we going to spend
$10 billion uh or even a couple of billion dollars on renovating old schools? Um and so you would consolidate schools in order to build a larger replacement schools to accommodate all of these small schools that we would
normally close and then we would because right now we're closing schools and putting kids in the best facility we have, right? Um now you would close schools and put them in a state-of-the-art facility. So you would you you would decide what school to tear down and use that space to build a
replacement school and those kids who were at the site that we're building replacement schools can swing into one of the other schools temporarily while we build that school. And then you swing everybody into that space and then the district has the opportunity to decide what they do with that with the land or the or the actual buildings to continue
to um garner revenue for me to sell or or either from lease. So there's a lot of strategies you can implement. So, the declining enrollment numbers, which I guess it depends what media outlet you want to believe, uh, for next year are looking bleak. I mean, you know that. I
I know that as well. >> So, um, under this proposal, you'd pay no attention to whether or not there was an upward tick in enrollment or not. It almost your >> in your scenario, it almost doesn't matter, right?
>> No, in in some in in cases it does. In some cases, it would not because you're looking at the age of the building. Uh I'll take for instance Strandahan High School. And I'm just having honest conversation with you. That school should have been torn down a long time ago and rebuilt. A long time ago. That is a pre 1960s
building that uh over time the district has put a lot of money into and probably by this time that amount of money could have built a replacement school. It still has students. you would have uh uh decided where to swing them in and build a
school that's comparable for the size need of the students. So, we do take uh student enrollment into account when you're building a replacement school. But, if you have several elementary schools, which is the case when we're talking about most of our schools that we're uh proposing to close or have closed as elementary schools, you have a
cluster of elementary schools in a small radius. Uh some may be at capacity, some may not, but all of them are built around the same 10-year window. and is the board going to put a h 100red or $200 million in renovating five or six schools within that cluster or do you
decide to build a replacement school or two and put uh and and fill it up at capacity at a state-of-the-art school. So, those are decisions the the board has to make um uh come in the future. >> So, I'm not going to put on record whether or not I think Stranahan should be torn down or not, but uh I certainly
appreciate your explanation. Thank you. >> Thank you, Dr. Zean. Thanks so much and I appreciate Dr. Holden's bringing this item and Dr. Heburn's comments. There are a few other instances that really uh um align very well to this uh to this
search for state-of-the-art replacement schools. We have places like downtown Hollywood uh and downtown Fort Lauderdale that are building thousands of units. Downtown Fort Lauderdale has already built 7,500 condominiums. They have another capacity for 7,500 more. uh
downtown Hollywood, 4,000 units. Uh in uh Fort Lauderdale, we have a single affordable housing project that's going in with 4,000 units. So 1,200 of them are going to be affordable housing. Uh if in fact we can look ahead at that
growth and now people with children are moving into condos, not just single family homes for a whole bunch of reasons, we could create a new facility uh near some of these new densities. While overall population is going down across Broward County, there are still
pockets where there is growth coming and we can see where it's coming. U the Live Local Act is a big deal. Uh and and again like with the Galleria, like with Downtown Development Authority in Hollywood at Fort Lauderdale, there are just thousands and thousands of units being built and they come with children
now more than they ever did. I also believe to Mr. Sever's point that we should be very mindful of the demographics. If you look at the birth rate in Broward County over the last 5 years, it continues to track down. Well, guess what? People born this year are our kindergarteners in 2031. So, we have
a pretty good lead indicator of this enrollment continuing to climb, but we also have uh thousands and thous tens of thousands of affordable housing units being built in Broward County and that's going to attract uh people. If in fact we have great schools and companies come
here and people want to come here because we have great schools and thousands and tens of thousands of affordable housing units, there is an opportunity to make the economics work the other way. affordable housing. People like living in condominiums and vertical buildings. Uh within a mile, you have a beautiful elementary school
leading to a beautiful uh highly rated middle and high school. You could see pockets of growth while at the same time overall uh decline uh in it. So I just wanted to complement this item. I think there's going to be a bunch of interesting uh thoughts that come out of
the master planner, but some of them are going to actually be growth. Whether it's Dr. He's model of, you know, seven elementary schools become three rebuilt or three elementary schools become one rebuilt. Uh or it's the model where we follow the affordable housing units
because we know that could and will very likely uh generate a pretty big student load. I think there's a cool opportunity to build while at the same time we're closing schools uh where there aren't going to be enough students to fill them up. So, I appreciate this, Dr. hold us
and uh I look forward to the master planner working on this and coming up with very hyper localized, you know, zip code level plans where we know we can uh attract more students and reverse this decline in enrollment by by building some great schools uh where where we
know there's going to be an ability to have more children show up. >> Thank you, Miss Thompson. >> Thank you, Chair. Um thank you, Dr. Holmes, for bringing this item. I think I am really excited about it because I think all of us as a board knows know
that there needs to be rebuilding of schools. Um we actually last workshop gave consensus on Margate Elementary to to stop and then just build a whole new building. So I don't think this is jumping um this is getting ahead of
ourselves in our redefining efforts. In fact, I think it's bringing a positive angle to what we are doing throughout the district. So when we which is the same approach we're taking with Glades conversion to K through8 like yes there's going to be a school school
impacts to that however you're going to get a better facility with access to indoor recess to gym to a band room and all that. I think it's about making sure the public knows that we are forward thinking that we are going to
build facilities that meet the need of today and tomorrow's students. Um, and also just generate some excitement because the reason we're having to close schools is not about us having bad schools. In fact, the majority of Broward family still chooses us. It's
more just this enrollment issue. So, I appreciate the positive spin on what we're doing and I look forward to approving this. >> Thank you. Any other board discussion? >> Madam Chair, I just like to summarize Dr. >> Holman. And thank you. So, you know, um
when I decided to bring this item, I I can tell you I I wasn't so much even thinking about myself or my children. And I'm thinking about what will our district look like 40 years from now, 30, 40, 50 years. So there's foresight. So this is
not even about me. When we look around Broward County, we see aged schools. How long are we going to continue to operate like that? Are we leaving this place better for our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren? We'll we'll be gone, but are we leaving this place
better? And so I don't want to sit back if I am granted the opportunity to become an old guy to sit back on a rocking chair and said I could have done something different and to see my grandchildren or great-grandchildren going into these type of schools. And
there are some communities that have uh recently built schools, but there are others that have significantly dilapidated age schools. And so we have an opportunity I think to add this to our initiative here as far as redefining and get something really positive out of it.
So um you know that's that's the intent of the item and I I think that uh we will all look back and we will be very pleased with the decision we make when we start to see these wonderful state-of-the-art schools for the next generation of students. I think every
parents in these communities will be happy. So I am hoping everyone supports this because this is foresight. I don't like to be looking in hindsight to say we should have done this or that. So this is a great opportunity to make a difference while we're moving ahead for
generations to come. So I hope you all support it. Thank you. >> Thank you Mrs. Alhadaf. So I think we should add also the master planner. So informed by the recent facilities condition assessment and
advice from the master planner to the item. That's my >> Okay. Um I don't have a problem with that. But Dr. Heburn, do you want to weigh in on that? Uh >> I just what item I just lost it. >> 54. >> 54. >> Just want to take a look at the language
again. Yeah, I don't see a problem with adding the master plan in there. >> Okay. So, I am I am okay with including that addition. >> Is that I made a amendment made by Mrs. Zahadv, seconded by Dr. Holes. Public
comment on the amendment. Four member discussion. Seeing none, all in favor of the amendment say I. >> I. I. >> All oppose say no. Item pass. Uh amendment passes with one dissenting vote from Miss Hixon. >> Um Mrs. Aladaf, you have the floor.
>> I'm good. >> All right. Any other board member comment on the item as amended. >> All in favor of the item as amended, say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item as amended passes with one dissenting vote from Miss Hixon.
Uh, could I get a motion and a second on item 55? Moved by Miss Thompson, seconded by Miss Hixon. Public comment on 55. Nope. Board member discussion. Miss Hixon. Thank you. So I had um asked for this to come back because the request from um the
person who will be sitting in the chief strategy and operations officer seat asked if it's possible under executive director student transportation and fleet services. If you go down the line, right now it says assistant director and
the ask is to change that to director, but it wouldn't cost it wouldn't require any additional funding because she's going to rearrange her own budget. And I believe the same person would be sitting in that seat. So, I move that we change
on page 11 where it says assistant director transportation operations and special needs transportation from assistant director to director with no budget impact. >> Second. A motion made by Miss Hixon, seconded by me. Uh, public comment on
the motion. Board member discussion. Mrs. Alhadef, Dr. Hepron, are you supportive of this motion? >> Yes. bring some efficiency um because the span of control is pretty wide with uh so many transportation issues and buses and things like that.
>> Okay, thank you. Any other board member discussion? All in favor of the motion say I. >> I. All oppose say no. >> Motion passes unanimously. We're back to the item. Miss Hixon, >> it it just passed, didn't it? >> No, the motion to change that.
>> Oh. Oh. Oh, that was that was Yeah, that was the item. Thank you. Anyone else on the item? All in favor of item 55 as amended say I. >> I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes unanimously as amended. Could I get a
motion in a second on item 57? >> Moved by Miss Thompson, second by Miss Hixon. Public comment on 57. Nope. Board member discussion. Miss Hixon. Thank you. I just have a question because the title is really confusing.
So, it's Rethink Autism Incorporated, right? I'm not reading that incorrectly. So, when you first look at that, your I your thought is that this has something to do with autism. But in the measurable outcomes, the rethink ed life and skills
wellness and mental health platform demonstrated s sustained district-wide impact maintaining high levels of student engagement. And then it talks about um mental health. So this has nothing to do with autism. So I just I I
want to be clear for the public and if you could staff could maybe explain because it looks like this is actually rethink think. So why does it say rethink Autism Inc. because it's very confusing. >> Go ahead, Miss Hollingsworth. >> Good afternoon again. Simone
Hollingsworth, chief student services officer. It is a little confusing, Miss Hixon. It's the name of the company. Um, however, it is our wellness and uh curriculum that we use. Um, then Dr. Shapiro is here and can speak to it a little bit um, you know, more detailed if you'd like. >> I I don't really need detail. I just
wanted to be clear for the somebody reading this because you may have a student who has autism and think, "Oh, great. they have this special curriculum for them >> and be expecting something and that has nothing to do with it. So when I read through it, I was like, "Wait a minute." >> Correct. All students can use it. It's
not specific, but it is because of the name of the company. Slightly confusing. >> Okay. Thank you for the clarification. Anyone else on the item? All in favor of item 57 say I. >> All oppose say no. Item passes
unanimously. Could I get a motion and a second on item 63? >> Second. >> Moved by Miss Hixon, seconded by Mrs. Alhadaf. No public comment. Board member discussion on item 63. Mrs. Alhadaf. Yes. Uh so on
page uh 11 of the policy 11 of 14 >> 63 >> 63 where it says enable rapid communication and emergency notification through the district's safety systems. I move to
then say including the local PAP public safety answering point. Second motion made by Mrs. Zhadv, seconded by me. Public comment on the motion. Board member discussion on the motion. Mrs. valid.
>> Uh, no. >> Anyone else? >> Well, it's just important because that's part of uh Alyssa's law is that when you press your panic button, it goes directly to the PAP. >> Any other board discussion? All in favor of the motion say I.
>> I. >> All oppose say no. Uh motion passes unanimously. We're back to the item, Mrs. Alade. And then on page page uh 12 number five employer responsibilities
where it says C crisis alert badges must not be stored loose in bags. So my motion is to say loosen bags, pockets or desks while not being worn.
Second motion made by Mrs. Aladv, seconded by me. Public comment on the motion. Board member discussion on the motion. Miss Hixon, >> just a quick question. Why um not in the desk? Uh because the teacher should
always be wearing their panic button with them. So if let's say they're on the playground, they need to have their panic button with them. If a student passes out, they have to be have their panic button on them and not at their desk in their room. >> But what if they leave it in their desk
when they go home? Because you can't leave it in your car. Maybe you don't want to forget it. So that that's where my mind went with if I left it in my desk, it would be because it's at the end of the day. >> I would ask Dr. Heperin in regards to
when a teacher comes into the school, do they have to have their ID or some type of scan? >> Um, they have to have their ID when they're walking into the school and we're asking them to uh have their ID, have the crisis alert badge with their
ID. best practice is to take it with you. Um, so as soon as you get into that geo fence of the school, there could be something happening in the parking lot. And if you have it in your desk, you know, you're coming in the morning, something happened in the parking lot,
you won't have access to it. So that's um um the concern I would have if it even stayed in the desk um when you left to go home because you could be coming in to work and you're within a geo fence of the school now. you see something in the parking lot, but you don't have a
quick emergency. Um, >> okay, I get that. I just would say a lot of people leave their IDs in their car, and when we took the training, we were told not not to leave this part in the car. Um, so there's a bigger chance if
you have to take it out of your car that you leave it at home and don't bring it with you. So that I don't want to continue. I was just asking. So you've explained it. Thank you. Any other board member discussion? All in favor of the motion say I.
>> All oppose say no. Motion passes unanimously. Mrs. Alup. >> That's it. Any other board discussion on item 63. All in favor of item 63 as amended say I. >> I. I. >> All oppose say no.
>> Item passes unanimously as amended. That means we have disposed of Oh, I just want to confirm Mr. Hill. We've disposed of all the items on the agenda. >> Yes, Madam Chair. >> Uh, do any of my colleagues have anything for the good of the order? Miss Hixon. Thank you. I'm reading this for
Mrs. Rupert because she had to um had something previous to go. So, she there's a student from Deerfield Park Elementary, Jamra Mim Mimis, who was recognized and honored by the city of Deerfield Beach Commissioners at their
meeting on June 17th for her notable accomplishments which included academic excellence. She achieved perfect five perfect level five scores across all the disciplines of the fast testing that she took. Um honor role, she maintained
straight A honoral status across all four quarters. She had perfect attendance. She serves as a co-leader of the or she served as a co-leader of the elementary school marching band and performs in the frequency drum line as a percussionist under Mr. Derko. and she
excels as student athlete in both basketball and track. So, um, Miss Rupert just wanted us to honor her here at the school board. And I'd like to say congratulations to Jamar Mimis for all of her great accomplishments. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Thompson. And I have I have Mrs. Alf and I have you, Dr. Zean. >> Thank you, chair. So, we there was an email sent out during the board meeting about our lunch eligibility and that 141 schools are going to operate under a C.
Will the board be getting a list of the 141 schools? And then also one of our big one of at least my big concerns during that conversation was the impact to Title One funds. And in the email blast, it says that those families no
longer have to fill out forms, which yes is true. However, it does impact it. There is a ripple effect. So, I would like the staff to follow up with a plan to communicate with these families about the importance of still filling
out the forms um and what our community engagement plan will be for these schools. >> Thank you, Mrs. Alhuda. I just had a question in regards to I know one of our schools is being piloted
by the state for having drones and uh if that is already started or is that the start of next school year? >> Go ahead, Chief Gregory. >> Mike Gregory, chief safety and security officer. That's correct. We have started the initiative, but that involves the
permitting and installation of equipment. That's the phase that they're in now. um and it is anticipated for this upcoming school year. >> Okay. And then I also just wanted to bring up to my colleagues in regards to following our policy on speaking time,
you know, and it's not easy for the chair when the buzzer goes off and then people just ignore it or say they want more time. So, if we're not going to follow the policy, then bring it back and change it. But we should follow the
policy. Remember, you always get another round if you have additional comments. But respectfully to the chair, you have to abide by it. And thank you for putting my time on.
But historically, I'm always in the zone of definitely less than the five minutes. But I I just say like be respectful to the chair and abide by the time limit. Uh so so we don't go into these marathon meetings. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Dr. Aziman. >> Thanks so much. Before I bring up my one quick point, I want to agree with Miss Aladev. It's um it's a really good part of meeting hygiene to uh follow policies or else change them. And I think we can definitely agree to the time largely
because you should be able to get everything you want in in a short period of time both at workshops and at uh at meetings. But more importantly, it's good to go around u and and hear from other people and then get that second round particularly for any substantive
amendments or substitute motions and things like that. Uh it makes the meeting go faster and it certainly allows everybody to feel heard uh before before we go to the second round. Uh chair, I was going to ask about conferences and travel for next year. Uh
last year we had a a agreement of some kind that the schoolboard members were not going to ask for any public funding to go to conferences. Um did that end uh or will that end on June 30th so that we can uh go to conferences uh and request
reimbursement? >> I don't know that we contemplated an end time. Um, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, my colleagues, but I think the spirit of that was that as long as there was a reduction in travel with employees
in the district, that that reduction uh would apply to school board members. Um, there was an exception that you all asked me to go to Tallahassee twice. Um, but other than that, I have not done any travel on uh district taxpayer money.
So, I don't know if Dr. Zemen, you have a a question you would like the board to contemplate. >> Yeah, I just I feel like it was a good thing to do. Um, you know, it definitely uh put us in alignment with the the schoolboard staff. Uh, but I think
schoolboard members need to travel and I think they need to get out uh and go to, you know, FSBA and Council Great City Schools and ASUG GSV and other places where it's just critical to uh learn more about our trade and and what people
are doing uh in other places. Um, so I would be in favor of um ending that ban on June 30th. Uh, every school board member that ever wanted to travel always had to submit a request and justify what they were doing and where they were going. Uh but I think it's an important thing for the knowledge base of
schoolboard members to be able to travel and go to these professional conferences. >> Um is there any objection from the board? Dr. Hol. >> Um Madame Chair, I just want clarification. When we did decide on doing that, was that through a board
vote that we um made that decision? And would that need to be done as a vote? >> I don't recall it being a formal vote. I think it was consensus at the end of the meeting. I think Miss Thompson might have brought it up. >> I agree. >> Okay. All right. So, um, uh, Madame
Chair, I believe I had asked some questions when we, um, put this in place. Um, and it appears to me, and I don't know if there's correlation, but there were significant decline in the number of board members going to different conferences when we put this
into place uh, as compared to previous years. So, I do believe it's having an impact. uh on uh some of the board members being able to afford to attend multiple uh conferences. I I think it dropped by more than a half in terms of attendance for FSBA and these other
things. So there's an impact and I think it will impact governing as well because we're we're going to be lacking training that is so essential in getting what we need done. So I am supportive of Dr. semen that we um it is too important to
ignore and the facts are there that attendance h has actually declined by uh I believe more than half for board members with these essential conferences. So I would certainly like to end that on June 30th. Thank you. >> Thank you Mrs. Aladd.
>> So my question is Dr. He uh what is our funding deficit >> for the >> for the upcoming school year? >> Mhm. >> Um based on the uh decline in enrollment, we expect to lose an
additional 80 or so million dollars. Um but we put things in place this year and also moving into the next year too, continuing some practices just to make sure we can address our shortfalls accordingly. >> Okay. So with a $80 million deficit and
we just cut almost a thousand positions, I am not okay with school board members doing any additional travel with the district paying for that. If they want to do it themselves, then that that's fine.
That's where I stand. Miss Thompson, >> I am also not comfortable with it at this time unless like when the chair had to go advocate in Tallahassee or if there's like a requirement that we are on a board of something. I think that's
that's a discussion base. But for now, I don't think it's it's a very good look. >> Anyone else? Miss Bulman. Um, do we still have a travel uh suspension for >> So, we have limited travel. I have
allowed um staff when it comes to issues that are pertinent to making sure we've continued to build capacities and address certain needs such as uh safety and security uh issues uh such as political advocacy and Tallahassee by
legislative uh affairs team. uh myself um um and some of the team members went up to FSBA just to continue to get the latest information from the FADS group uh for continued advocacy and and um capacity. So it is limited. We're continuing uh travel freeze, but it's
going to be limited. There's going to be uh some things lifted um in the vein of what Dr. Zean and Dr. Holdness uh talking about to make sure we're not stifling capacity building um because everything is growing around us exponentially and we really need our leaders to continue to learn and grow so they can continue to do the great work
here in the district because uh we're too big to be isolating ourselves. But there there still is going to be some freeze but some things have to come to cabinet just to make sure it's added value to the district in order for me to approve it. >> So our next big thing would be the like
December, right? the FSV. >> Our our next pressing uh agent uh travel is item would be in December. So maybe we can revisit it in the fall. >> I would say um sorry to interr I would say you guys have two big things. Um some of you go to FSBA and some of you
go to council of great city schools. Um I think for board members >> October >> October yes I think for board members both are uh great and and um opportunities to continue to build capacity um and with the council of great city schools
you're amongst u national um uh schools across school districts across the nation right um instead of just with school districts across the state when it's FSBA. So those are the two things I think are essential for board members. I mean, I I think they're both important, but again, the
>> perception, >> right, the perception. So, maybe we can just revisit it in the fall. >> Yeah. I am also while we have a travel restriction on our employees, I I do uh have an issue with allowing or pay, you know, taxpayer money paying for board member travel while we're not allowing
that same kind of um that same kind of allowance for our employees. >> Madam Chair, >> Dr. Yes. >> Okay. Um this will be my final comment on the issue. So uh um my concern is
creating uh some kind of a drought in terms of the um development of board members at key central conferences. Um uh I don't think it's so much about the travel per se because um it is more so
about what is gained from the travel. Right? Because if we if we um inhibit say some of our uh instructional staff from having the tools they need to to do their their jobs as instructional staff uh it will have an impact on on the way
they do and and function in terms of their jobs. Uh, so I think it goes beyond just travel because if a board member and I I'm not going to ask who can and cannot afford it, but if a board member just cannot afford it and they don't go, I think it becomes uh
consequential for the school district because uh that board member is not being uh developed in terms of the um trends and the things that they need to be able to to have to do their jobs. So Dr. Hman, I just have a couple of questions. Um uh in terms of um other
school districts, are you aware of any school district in the state of Florida that is not um reimbursing travel for board members to attend key conferences to build their capacity? >> No, I'm not I'm not aware. >> So we are the only one doing it? >> I'm I'm not aware of that either. >> Okay.
>> Well, I can I just say something? Can I jump in? because I like you know I've attended conferences where there are school board members from districts across the country that are paying for they're I mean they don't even get a salary like they're they're paying for themselves to be at that conference. So
just because Dr. Heppern is not aware of any it doesn't mean that they don't >> understand. So um so uh Dr. Heburn um I believe there was some and maybe staff can respond to it. Um I I had made an
inquiry I believe uh regarding um what the attendance is to say FSBA and the Council of Great City Schools and so on. Um when we um had the the travel ban for board members as opposed to pre previous
years. Can staff make any comments on that? >> Um yes. So FSBA this year uh we had no representation from board members there this year. um council of great city schools. That was prior to the actual travel ban being instituted. So, we had
representation um from staff and um board members. I don't know if it was one or two, but I know u board uh board member or two were at council great city schools, but this year there was a representation from um board members at FSBA. >> So, we had no one from for FSBA. And how
what did that look like in previous years? Um we would have at least half at at Yep. At least half. >> Um and you since you've been here in uh I forgot what year you came, >> but um have you seen anything less than half attending as far as board members
to say FSBA? >> Um um it's always been about half or or or more. >> Okay. So I'm not saying that this is something we should do now, but I believe it's having an impact. Um, and I I just don't want to see that the board
not get what it's need to to govern effectively and trending information that's necessary for the board. So, I hope we can revisit it later um in order to be able to do our jobs better. Thank you, >> Mrs. Ala. >> So, I would say two things. The FSBA, I
know they hold local training. I I don't know if it was the last one, but I remember I was there, Miss Rupert, Dr. Zean was there. that was free and then also FSBA has online training and so
maybe Dr. Dr. Hipp you can staff can figure out from the organizations that we are a part of what is free opportunities for the board to take you know I know there's the online ethics
training that we take annually anyone else on this issue so I think uh we've we will still maintain the uh travel restriction Dr. Zman, you still have the floor. >> That was the only other issue I wanted to bring up. Uh, look forward to
re-engaging sometime this fall, maybe. >> All right. Anyone else? For the good of the order. All right. Seeing no further business, this will that we I will now adjourn this meeting. We will recess for a brief minute uh to turn over to the DEFP
meeting. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Down. Down. Thank you. Welcome to this schoolboard workshop on uh the district educational
facilities plan. Um without objection, we will go straight to questions unless my colleagues would like a presentation. All right, first on the list, I have Miss Hixon. Thank you. I didn't know I was going to go first. Um I just have a a couple of
quick questions. So one actually I guess would like to hear from my colleagues. So um some of when we go to the schools some of them have security huts where the security person that's at the front
um is in an airond conditioned space and some of them they have to sit in their car and some of them there's no one at the gate at all. So, I would um like to ask the superintendent or I
guess my colleagues to if they're interested in adding security huts where needed um to this capital budget. >> We would need to price those. I know for most schools, they're not actually bought by the schools. they're actually
bought by other entities, maybe PTSA or fundraising and things like that. Um, so we have to price them out because uh those security huts, they're not um not fixed, >> right? >> They're cuz some of them can be rolled
away for a storm and but we'll have to price them out to see how much they actually uh >> so I guess I like that information and then we could discuss it at the next one. But I I would like to do that. Um, also we've done a lot for the football
fields, which I know also encompass flag football, soccer, all of those things. But there are a lot of baseball fields that have night games or would like to have night games and they don't have lights on their fields. So, I I'd like to kind of pull my colleagues about
looking at what that would cost and where where it's needed to add to the DEFP. So any of my colleagues have a concern about >> and if I may too, I think an additional step we would have to do is is communicate with those communities
around it because most of the time uh when schools were built, I know I went through this as a high school principal, they're okay with the football field lights, they didn't want the baseball lights. Um and that wasn't so much the school district not putting in the lights. said most of the time it came
from the surrounding community says okay we'll put up with this but we're not putting up with the uh additional light. So we will have to check with the surrounding community for those uh high schools that maybe don't have that. >> I would just request we still have several I believe seven schools that
don't have lights on their football fields. one at least being West Broward and that's something that they have and another being Hollywood Hills, but West Broward has wanted lights for 20 plus years. Um, and that's something I've been working on. Um, so if we're going
to include baseball fields in the DFP, I would like >> that's fine. Maybe lights in general, lights for athletic. >> So, we'll price that. We'll get a cost estimate. >> Um, bring that back to the board so you can make an informed decision about it. >> Thank you. My third question, um, long
range facilities plan, I it might be incorporated in this budget, but I don't see it like called out for us. So, is there money in this capital budget for long range facilities planning?
>> Go ahead, Mr. Shim. >> Uh, yes, there is. >> Okay. Can you tell us where like what line item that is? It's in the existing DFP, so it is already funded. Um, on slide
slide six, wait, is it on on slide four? >> Yeah, on slide six, we generally go over some of the things that are already funded in the DFP, >> but on slide six, it says requires funding. That's why I'm asking the question. Oh, there's funding for the long range planner. Um, but the long
range plan itself would need additional funding. >> Okay. So, that's um we know that we're going to be doing that. So, I would also ask that that move to being funded in the DEFP, not requiring funding because if we're going to do some of the other
items that were passed today, we cannot do them without having a long range facility plan like set in place. So, >> and I just want to clarify the long range facility planner is is funded in the current DFP, the consulting, but the
actual plan itself of course is something we'd need additional dollars for, >> right? But just having a planner doesn't give us a plan apparently because we need funding and we're asking the superintendent to consolidate schools
and build brand spanking new ones. You can't do that without a long range plan, not just the facilitator. So I that was a flag. And the last thing on page 10, it says that transportation for the
school year 20 2728. I think that's the one. Yeah. So 2728 the transportation is going up then it goes up again in 2829. Um but our enrollment is going down. So
can someone and it actually like goes up a lot. $500,000 each of those years. So if we're losing enrollment, our transportation should either be staying stable or going down, but it's going up quite a bit. So if you
could explain that. >> Go ahead, Dr. Wansa. >> Because I think that's for fleet. >> Good a good evening. Valerie Wanza, chief strategy and innovation. um officers. So, so a couple of the um
points here, Miss Hixon, and we can certainly revisit it, but a couple of them is to really look at the fleet itself and and the necessity to maybe um have to replace some of the older buses. That's one, but two, one of the things that we do have to recognize is even though our enrollment is going down, um
and I'll use Chapel Trail and um um Silver Palms as as an example. So when we when we um consolidated and repurposed Panther Run Elementary School, all of those kids that were neighborhood kids that generally didn't get a bus, now we have to transport all
of those students to two different schools. But we can certainly look at, you know, the the number of buses that we may need to lease over the years um and come back if if need be. But a part of that is replacing the um older buses.
And then also, even though our enrollment is going down, we now have to transport more students potentially and to greater distances, but we can certainly um revisit it to make sure we're being um as as efficient um and
financially um responsible as possible. >> Thank you. I I appreciate that. But we're also looking at centralizing um doing some other things. I can't accept that our enrollment is going down, but our transportation has to go up that high. So, I um I think we need
to look at routing in different ways, and that's one way we use AI to do that, I guess. Um but I I I appreciate your answer, but I still have a problem with it. So, thank you. >> We will certainly go back and um revisit it. Miss Jason,
>> that's it for me. Thank Thank you. And I do need to get consensus to extend the meeting. I would propose an hour. Uh so is there an objection to extending the meeting an hour? Seeing no objection, Dr. Zean. >> Thanks, Chair. A couple questions and
then an idea that I just want to kind of continue to talk about in light of uh Dr. Holmes is uh growing some uh schools while we're also uh doing some school school repurposing. First qu two technical questions though.
We just agreed today to sell trail ends in an earlier schoolboard meeting. Is that $14 million accounted for in these tables? >> Dr. Hurn, >> Mr. Shim. >> Uh no it is not. Um, we typically would include it if they already have a
contract and since the contract was today, we will include it uh when we bring the tenative plan in July. >> I appreciate that. And it's nice to have $14 million for the good instead of for the bad. So, that's great. Uh, second question, what is the assumption over this period for property value
increases? >> Dr. Abram, >> Mr. Shim. Yes, it's approximately 3% 3.9%. >> But is that for one year or is that for all five years? You have 3.9 built in
>> there. There there's uh percentages built in approximately three three and a half% per year um based upon the EDR economic and demographic research uh from the state of Florida. um they do
five-year projections and we typically use their their values and kind of cross reference it with our our uh local property appraisers. >> Terrific. Thank you. And then I just want to go back to Dr. Holdness's idea earlier about building why we get
smaller. You know, there are certainly areas where cops funding can be used um to build new schools and to build them very strategically where we know there are both um students coming into an area down to the zip code level and u areas
where we know they're building affordable housing and if in fact we put a school um in our plan, people would be more likely to move into that affordable housing that had children. And so again, uh, as Miss Le already pointed out
earlier, you know, there is an ability for something as impactful as a school district to actually help shape the future. But if we can strategically place schools near these high growth areas, I feel like uh we ought to learn some more about this um between our
demographics and our uh capital programs people and come up with some ideas about where we could either dramatically increase the capacity of a very successful school near a high density growth area or to build a brand new school in order to do that. Um, last
point, and I know we already talked about that earlier today, so I don't want to uh belabor the point. Um, the last point, which I think is a real opportunity for this table on page five. Uh, Mr. Shim, if I'm correct, there's 16 million left that's unallocated for 27 and that's short 14 million because of
the Trails End site. So, it's really 30-ish million that's unallocated in 2027. >> 15 million. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Thank you very much. I think that was Miss Alade. So it's 16 plus 15, so 31
million. I would really like uh to create kind of a a superintendence fund for school improvements uh for CSMP kind of projects. So small local contractors
that can do things like tear down the the ratty old signs that we still have in front of way too many of our schools. They've all been replaced, but we still have the old broken one with the letters falling out and it doesn't work anymore. It's just an eyesore to the community. There's places where we could redo
fencing. You know, it's it's not against the law in Florida to do nice fencing around buildings. I know that we don't do that very often, but there are things like that that if principles could almost compete for the one or $200,000 projects that are all done by local
contractors under the uh small uh um construction project facility that we have and we actually get things done quickly when we use CSMP. I would love to take half of that money, half of that $30 million and put it into a superintendent's
um small project fund that could be used strategically in areas where we know we can win back students, but we have some facilities issues. either the front of the building is not attractive. Either it's got four concentric circles of oddshaped chain link fences. U it might
have a car line that just doesn't have coverings for people and uh doesn't have the right drainage, you know, at some schools. But in my mind, if we're going to really take an all y'all approach to winning back students, I'd love to give the superintendent uh you know, the
authority to come to us every month and identify a handful of projects where his principles and his staff have looked at it and said, "Look, for 150,000 here, for 250,000 there, we can do some dramatic changes in the appearance and the beautifification of a site that
would allow it to really make uh a significant change in the curb appeal and the functionality sometimes uh of the building. So, uh chair, when when would it be appropriate to make a motion to that? Is that something we do tonight or is that something we we propose
tonight and bring it back later in July? >> I believe that would be something you propose because we're in a workshop and then when it comes back to us, we would do motions or it would come back to us changed. >> Yeah. What I'd like to do is just to ask the staff to prepare um a document for
us that describes the pros and cons of taking half of that $31 million and putting it into what I call the superintendent's, you know, small project with local firms fund that would allow uh him to work with his 224 principles and just come up with those
brilliant ideas where a just a very dated library needs, you know, new books and new furniture and, you know, there's some, you know, schools. I just toured a school uh earlier this year that still has plastic windows from 1952. You know, it's
$100,000 probably to replace them, but it's really embarrassing to have, you know, something like that and the word gets out on the street pretty quick uh that we've underinvested in our schools. So, I'd like to just see some staffing on that uh chair so that we can make some decisions in July.
>> Dr. Heepern, are you able to do that? >> Um yes, I'm capture that note. I know Mr. shame and his team is capturing it too. >> Okay. Anything else? >> And if I could, Dr. Heeper, and any thoughts about the general value of doing things like that? >> No. Uh, I think some of that is
definitely needed. Um, it's part of our discussion, too, when we're actually visiting schools. Some of the aesthetic things that, you know, are at the frontage of our schools can sometimes win parents or lose a prospective parent. And I like the idea of CSMP contractors
doing it because there's a whole group of local firms in Broward County that can get in and do projects of that scope and they get it done quickly and PO is often overt just keeping up with all of the things that we ask them to do. So, thank you very much, Chair. >> Thank you, Miss Thompson.
>> Thank you, chair. Um, I had some questions about how we're considering the redefined schools into the DEFP. in particular. A lot of the schools that are welcoming new students aren't slated to be painted for like four or five more
years and they definitely I think would need it and that would be refreshing for the parents um that are transferring in for example Thood Marshall isn't slated to be painted until 2829 um fairway you guys are painting now so
thanks um but myar high which is going to be accepting um kids from Hollandale 2930, Silver Palms 2930. Um, and then also the insides aren't slated to be painted. So, how are we
prioritizing these schools that are going to be welcoming in new students? >> Thank you for the question, Miss Thompson. I know there's been a paint schedule um created, I want to say probably earlier this year or late last year based on uh certain variables, age
of the paint, when it was last painted, um uh weathering um and such. Uh we can I know the team they meet u bi-weekly when it comes to the redefining schools and it includes academics as well as as capital projects. so we can evaluate
some of those needs um and see uh aesthetically what we can do um for those for those facilities. >> I think the majority of them probably need to be moved up. So I think it would warrant a board discussion on how or if
we want to prioritize those schools that are coming from schools that we have closed. if anyone wants to weigh in. >> Mrs. Ala, I was actually going to bring up painting and I was actually going to
recommend make making every school get painted next year. >> It's all about capacity. It's and we we're not normally we're not the paint painting. We're not doing the painting. We hire contractors. So, it's the capacity of the contractors and also the
amount of money um to do that many schools at one time. Okay. Well, I would still challenge us to push it up farther. Um, I have a question because when Mrs. Alad have said that and I think it's
like something we would all love to see that anyone who goes to visit schools like I hear from principles all the time, we need our school painted. We need our school painted. >> And I feel like a bit of a broken record. I've been asking about this and you look at the painting plan and it's they it was promised to get painted last year and it's still you know so but when
Mrs. Alad suggested that I heard like a collective kind of gasp from the people in front of us. So help me understand why that is um why it elicited such a reaction >> a capacity for the most part. Uh we will
have to lock down almost every painting contractor um in the county in in Tri County to paint that many buildings and also the cost. Um can we accelerate? We will have to evaluate the cost based on how we're painting now. It it I mean it makes a a tremendous difference. I drove
by South Brow High School and saw it from the road. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is like a brand new uh school." I think I drove by Parkway and they were painting uh finishing up one of the buildings and the same thing. So, it does make a difference. And uh I know for this isn't painting your house.
These are large multiple buildings in the school and it does take a lot of contractors to accomplish that for a lot of schools at one time. So we would have to look at the physibil feasibility of how many contractors we could secure. But also the major thing for the board
to consider is bring back the cost of how much that would cost to do. Um, and I don't know the rough park of how much it cost to pay a high school and a middle school and elementary school, but uh I don't want us to throw out inaccurate figures now, but we can bring back that information just to let the board know. But I
>> I would like that cost, but also to prioritize the schools that are having people move into them. So, Chapel Trail, Myar High, Plantation High School, Silver Palms, Palm Pines Lakes, Lakeside, they're good. Marshall,
because we're changing and adding babies, you know, under fives. Um, and then >> Wen Rogers. >> Winnen Rogers. Thank you. Wen Rogers. I knew I missed some. And I'm sure I I missed someone else >> potentially, but I I just think,
>> you know, >> Okay. Well, staff can review and make sure I didn't miss anyone. But I I just think when at least I went out to my community and told them that, you know, because of this hard decision, they would get something better. I would like
to be able to fulfill that or at least have a plan. Um, same with the marquee for Thood Marshall isn't planned to be replaced until 3031. Um, and if it's anything like the marquees in my district, I would like to
prioritize moving that up as well. Um, and then I had a question because I had information that Silver Trail Middle was actually slated to get um, painted sooner and now it's slated for 2930. So,
was there a change to that? >> Go ahead, Mr. Dip. >> Yes, I would have to look into that one. I'm not sure as to whether uh the the schedule changed, but if it did, I I will definitely look into it and and and
make the adjustments >> because I remember when we had our our meeting on my beautifification projects, it was slated to be done 26 27. So, that is what I have told people. So, I would like some background information on why that was changed.
>> I'll provide that to you. >> And then that's my main points. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mrs. Aladaf. >> Yes. Thank you. So, I support Coral High School's new auditorium with the additional funding for the $9 million.
the additional funding is based on the having to be ADA compliant, which I'm not sure why I don't see that in the item because we've talked about that numerous times. And having the additional chiller that's
needed and then also for the emergency generator. A couple questions. The knockbox, I see there is money needing for them. Doesn't every school have a Knox box? Are we replacing Knox boxes?
Adding additional Knox boxes. >> Chief Mike Gregory, chief safety and security officer. I believe that the Knox situation was a capital project under fire with fire marshals maintenance. That's they primarily uh maintain those and I think at this point all the schools do have them. It's
pretty much a maintenance uh issue at this point. and any additional ones that need to go into other additional areas. >> Okay. So, it might not necessarily be used since it only needs to replace. >> Correct.
>> Okay. Great. Maximo, it seems like after this year, we're going to be all set, ready to go. >> Yeah. The last update we had was that I know it pushed back a month, but u July is supposed to be it for the mobile modular.
Okay, perfect. And then I do have a question regarding Beacon. I see a lot of funding going towards Beacon. I'm assuming that's the Beacon building. And just a thought, why don't we sell Beacon
and then put Beacon into one of our empty schools? Maybe we could save money, get money. >> I'll let Mr. Sullivan speak on Beacon. Yeah, the challenge with moving Beacon to schools is a tower out there. Um, but
it's something that we are um looking at considering especially if you put in a school maybe uh maximize beacon to benefit students and and uh student programs within within Beacon >> and what is the need for the tower? >> I think it's has to do with the
equipment and the ability to broadcast. >> Who are you broadcasting to? >> We do broadcast to like If people who aren't using tethered cable like old school, you still can get those um what those public channels
without cable or streaming. >> Yeah, over the air. We still broadcast over the air. >> So, I would like to better understand how many people we're broadcasting to and what the potential savings could be.
And then if we sell Beacon and then just put Beacon into one of our empty schools, what additional savings will we have? >> We can do a follow-up, too, cuz um it also has to do, I believe, with our FCC license um the our ability to broadcast, but um we'll follow up.
>> Yep, we'll follow up. And I know um it wasn't this board, but boards of the past got rid of the ability for them to actually monitor who the what they needed to be able to monitor um how many viewers are actually tuning in to Beacon. So um that that was one of the
questions I asked a while ago and learned that. So um we we don't have a strong ability to to know who's actually um watching the programming, >> right? And isn't it is it our choice as a board? Right. We It's not like, you
know, we're live streaming now. I mean, things have changed where maybe this part of it isn't necessarily where we're reaching people through X, Instagram, Facebook, online. >> Yeah, I think it's a reasonable request.
So, we'll do a board followup what the implications are um as it relates to uh any possible move of Beacon into an existing underutilized or unused school. >> Okay, perfect. And the uh painting,
I definitely think we can be more aggressive with moving the schools up to to be painted. It is sometimes such an eyes sore when I drive past some of our schools and
you definitely see a difference between the schools that are painted and not paint it. And so I think we can do better and that timeline for the painting needs to be pushed up. Um and I think we'll be surprised how many probably painters we have out there that
would be so happy to come and paint our schools. And then on another note, so in our uh past workshops,
we actually it was actually on April 28th, 2015 school board workshop agenda item 1B. we have in there where if sold, the city of Parkland's contribution will have to
be reimbursed encumbered by 2005 cops. City of Parkland contributed $850,000 to the purchase price for the site. So, um, Mr. Pun Bruno, Dr. Heepburn, please look into that. Thank you.
Thank you. Any other board discussion? Dr. Holes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. So, I I do support um prioritizing painting as well. I think aesthetic appeal is very important and uh painting is certainly very um I mean, it's it's very
noticeable when a school needs painting. Um and it impacts, in my opinion, uh a parent who's on the fence as to whether or not they're going to go to that school or not. uh if it's needs painting, looks really bad, they're probably going to choose an alternative
option. Um fencing, I am strongly supportive of that as well. Um if we have old rusted fence breaking down, uh you know, it it doesn't say much as far as um the impression it gives to the public. Um
another thing that I've noticed, Dr. Heburn and I don't know what the lawn maintenance schedule is, but sometimes I drive past schools and the the grass is just significantly high. Um, you know, weeds are growing up. Um, so I don't
know if there's could be some improvement because that also impact the perception of aesthetic appeal to the schools. Um, you can imagine if you have your home and you cut the lawn once a month, it the neighbors are not going to be overly happy. it's not going to do
very well for the the um price of homes in the community. So, is there anything that can be done? I don't know what the schedule is, but I do see some schools and it doesn't matter the community. It doesn't matter the the income level of the community. I just see it with a lot of the schools where the lawn
maintenance uh the lawn seems to be growing out of control. So, is there a frequency that could be changed in how that's done? >> Um yeah, we can look into it. Um, usually we also depend on on school leaders too to let us know because I
think the team actually scores those vendors um to decide if we are going to continue to do business with them with the when the uh contracts expire. Uh but we can look at the frequency um of some of the lawn maintenance schedules just
to make sure it's up to par with uh the summer trend because summer you usually need to do it every week um and then winter you can do it every two to three weeks because the growing season slowed down. So we we'll follow up. >> Right. And I I support board member Thompson in prioritizing the schools as
far as painting. Um, in terms of the the the schools where students are moving in due to redefining, I think those uh we've already um you know, it's it's a hard call for parents to take their students out of a school they're used
to, bring them somewhere else. So, I think prioritizing those schools and making sure that they're up to par with painting and fencing, lawn maintenance, I think those schools should should certainly be priority because we've already inconvenienced those parents.
significantly in having to transition to a new environment. So I I support board member Thompson suggestion in that regards as well. Those are my comments. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Thank you. Anyone else? Miss Bulman?
>> Um I support uh the painting initiative for sure. Um the marquee uh that Dr. Zean suggested. I think that that really cleans up the front of the school as well when you
drive by. And that's um like switching to digital I think would be a really nice facelift and an easy way to make the school look nicer. Um I support uh member Thompson's um
request for the schools that are um uh being consolidated. And um I'm going to follow up, but I because I have to talk to my school. I I first of all I agree with the painting like MacArthur and South Broward look amazing since they've been painted. It's
amazing how much better they look. Like it's night and day. So they did a great job on that. Um carpeting is also and flooring is something that also really makes everything look a lot better. So I know Mr. door says about working out that for kind of what the
status is on some of mine when we discuss this again. Thank you. Anyone else >> Dr. Heer? >> Yes. Um thank you Madam Chair. Um if I may. So another important very very important um topic and large scale
initiative that impacts the entire district. um large migration, large implementation plan that's going to be multi-year is implementing a new ERP system um that we've discussed with uh board members 101 probably a few months
ago. um that uh large scale implementation, we have a specific need um now moving into January to get board consensus uh more specifically about three positions that we need uh for the
ERP team that we talked to the board members about few months ago um to really prop up an implementation team. I forget what the the name we're actually calling that team. Um, and so I'm going to turn it over turn it over to the team
to dive dive into that. Um, they'll keep it short so you can ask some um some questions, but uh we do have a pressing need uh at the next uh regular school board meeting to approve three positions. I think one is already working for us. So there'll be approval
of probably two positions uh for that ERP team. So we can start the imple initiate the implementation process as the um ERP system that we currently use is outdated, not meeting our needs. Um and also staffers inability to do some
many of the things the board have asked us asked myself and the team to do over the past two years. So I'll turn it over to the team to dive into that. >> Thank you Dr. Heppern. Pete Echin Brener, director, enterprise project management office, program manager, ERP
transformation project. Uh, this pertains to the narrative memo that was included in the board documents. Um, you should see it titled ERPT narrative memo. Uh, these three positions are critical for two main reasons. Number
one, they address immediate business needs that cannot reasonably be absorbed by existing staff while maintaining normal operations. And furthermore, they provide dedicated capacity for ERP readiness, particularly in the domain of uh procurement
continuity and organizational change management. So, we're hoping based on where we stand right now in the um ERP, again, that's enterprise resource planning, RFP, request for proposal process. We're we're in the midst of it
now. Um we're targeting a January 2027 implementation start. So there's a period of time leading up to that where these roles will play a critical part in making sure that we're able to transition
um and also save some money while we do so. So there's a there's an associated cost of just over $180,000 from the general fund for these roles, but their work is going to help us uh
transition certain software that we're using that will ultimately lead to a potential of up to $1.6 million in cost avoidance. And I should emphasize as part of that, we have continuously had to be creative um and leave no stone
unturned when it comes to looking for ways to save money, particularly in the domain of organizational restructuring and what's to come with our deficits. So um the the memo goes into more detail as to which positions, but two of them
relate to procurement and one of them relates to organizational change management. So we are looking for your support to be able to do this so that the implementation can succeed which will ultimately save us much more money
than either of the two figures I provided. Thank you. >> So uh Madam Chair, we do need consensus um on to move forward so we can actually bring a board item for a vote at the uh July meeting. Again this is essential. It's a district-wide implementation. our
system uh wholeheartedly depends on on this uh ERP system. So, it's vital that we start hitting the ground running after the board vote um in July in preparation so we can transition um effectively and efficiently. Uh and then
the uh uh full-fledged implementation process starts to happen later on in the fall and it's uh actually a multi-year process to get this done um correctly um and and implemented with fidelity. >> Is there any objection to what Dr. Heper
has presented with regards to ERP? >> Seeing none, do you have your direction? >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Any other board discussion? All right, Steph, do you have your direction? >> We do. Thank you. >> All right. Um, the scheduled order of
business for the school board workshop at the school board of Broward County, Florida has been completed. Seeing no objections, I will now adjourn the school board workshop.