##VIDEO ID:IEmOs7hdOcI## I'd like to call this meeting to order this is the abun Vista Township regular meeting July 22nd 2024 we're going to start with a roll call krenzer here Renard here Testa here Williams absent rer mayor rer here on January 9th 2024 notice of this meeting was mailed to the Daily Journal the press and duly posted in the main lobby of the municipal complex all requirements of the open public meetings act have been met in compliance with the Sunshine Law I'd like to ask everyone to stand and salute the flag Ellen will you lead us sure I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repu for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all approval of minutes we have two for this evening for approval the regular meeting of June 24th 2024 and the executive meeting June 24th 2024 need a motion and a second motion second roll call krenzer yes Renard yes Testa yes reri yes announcements presentations discussions there are none mayor's report all right a few quick things for you guys tonight uh we're going to start off on summer concerts I want to thank everybody that's attended so far uh they have been to date very well attended great weather for the most part uh please continue to join us at Michael Debbie park over the next several Wednesdays at 700 p.m. uh good music good food great people so please uh continue to keep this date on your calendar uh I'm going to touch briefly on National Night Out we'll be at Michael Debbie Park August 6th at 7th 7:00 p.m. uh please come join us this is our biggest event of the Year by far uh in terms of just total prep uh participation vendors uh this is really a an all hands Affair uh local police fire and EMS will be there uh several demonstrations during the course of the evening uh tons of great food and giveaways Mr Softy uh we will finish with an amazing fireworks display and I want to touch on this because it's important this event uh collectively cost the township over ,000 each year and this is done entirely by virtue of sponsorship so I want to thank each and every person that was able to give this year um residents businesses that were able to help donate this is a a really big to do for us so I want to thank you on behalf of the township as a whole your help is extremely uh excuse me extremely appreciated please save this date again it is August 6th at 7 p.m. uh this is going to be a great evening so please come out and join us and lastly I want to plug the uh the eth annual Community Fund day it's going to be Saturday August 24th it will be held at the MLK Community Center in Newtonville uh this event is a collaborative effort between several local churches including uh but not limited to Moon bounces games free food three onree basketball vendors live DJ free haircuts it's a first uh giveaways face painting and much more so the 8th Annual Community Fund day August 24th at the MLK Community Center uh and just a recap I I'm encouraging residents to take part in these events as a whole uh this is something I touch on each month as a father of three I'm kind of seeing firsthand this summer just how extremely expensive it is just to do anything with your family uh between my three little guys and my wife collectively uh we've been to the beach so far boardwalks movies sporting events eating out it seems like just about everything for a family of five or more is in that $150 to $200 range so uh all the events that I'd mentioned previously are low cost no cost events so please come out please take advantage of these events and that's all I have tonight thank you guys thank you mayor ordinances for introduction first reading we have ordinance 146-200 th000 for municipal roadway improvements uh we need a motion and a second to open to the public on 144 2024 just introducing Sor just motion and a second to introduce motion to introduce second roll call krenzer yes renart yes Tesa yes reri yes the hearing the public hearing will be held on August 26 2024 at 700 p.m. ordinances for public hearing second reading uh we will take them separately starting with 144-20 24 authorized in the street vacation of River Street uh we need a motion and a second on 144 2024 to open to the public motion to open to the public second all in favor I I I motion to close motion to close second all in favor I uh need a motion and a second to adopt 144 2024 motion to adopt 144 uh- 2024 second roll call krenzer yes Renard yes Testa yes rer yes 145 d224 is amending chapter5 development regulations and chapter 248 storm order management uh just for the record mayor this was originally introduced at our last meeting it was presented to the planning board this past Thursday night as it re uh has changes regarding our development regulations uh under chapter 115 the planning board did review this um and indicate that it's not only consistent with our master plan but it's also consistent with the Pinelands comprehensive management plan and thus they are sending it back to the governing body for adoption just want to put that on the record Thank you Lisa we need a motion in a second to open to the public on 145 2024 motion to open to the public second all in favor I motion to close motion to close second all in favor I I and a motion and a second to adopt 145 2024 motion to adopt second roll call krenzer yes Renard yes Tesa yes reri yes classes on okay public comment on current agenda items only in order for the committee to conduct the business of the Township in the most productive manner possible meeting attendees will be given 2 minutes all inclusive to comment on any agenda items without comment or question from the committee but only on items specified on the agenda listed for the current meeting please step up to the microphone at the appropriate time and state your name and address for the record resolution 11-24 is authorizing the payment of bills in the amount of 1, 38,3 3743 um of that the fire district taxes distribution is $324,400 and voted upon as one item by the township committee if any discussion is requested on a consent agenda item it is removed from the consent agenda to the regular agenda 112-454 the AC CIA cdbg Grant 13-24 is approving the submission of a Grant application and execute Grant contract for the Reconstruction of Post Road Phase 1 11 14-24 is authorizing an intermittent leave of absence to Michael tesin 11 15-24 is authorizing the mayor to execute contracts with Sweetwater Environmental Services 116-24 is authorizing the change fund for the 2024 National Night Out one 17-24 is opposing offshore wind projects and support the Atlanta County Executive and Board of Commissioners to utilize its various Powers including legal action to protect the future of Atlanta County m 118-24 is supporting the US doot proposal for railroads to maintain accurate electronic information about rail Hazmat shipments and a train Thank you Lisa we need a motion and a second to open to the public for agenda items only motion to open to the public second all in favor I I motion to close wait wait I'm sorry it's a long walk today um Julie Acres Newtonville I wanted to thank you for the resolution 18-202 24 and a little bit of an update uh apparently the Federal Department of Transportation has enacted that exactly what we just passed just very recently so I appreciate you taking the action and I'm sure we'll be able to add some more to that more week to thank you thank thank you appreciate it anybody else I'll ask for a motion to close on agenda items only motion to close Bill second all in favor uh motion at a second to pay the bills motion to pay the bills second roll call krenzer yes Renard yes Testa yes reri yes and lastly we need a motion and a second to adopt consent agenda resolutions 112 through 118 motion to adopt resolutions 112 through 11824 second roll call krenzer yes yes Testa yes reri yes item 12 what do you have for us tonight Lisa uh thank you mayor um I just wanted to bring up um resolution for the approval of resolution 11224 uh which is um a chapter 159 for a grant that the township received from the atlanic county Improvement Authority each year we apply and we're able to put those proceeds towards improvements to various Township buildings uh we've been working on our Dr Martin Luther King Community Center with new bathrooms new floors new kitchen um things of that nature and usually we get anywhere between 31 and $35,000 um per year and then we usually have to save it up over a balance of four to five years to be able to do a project um this year after an application um there were various Atlantic County um municipalities that applied and they only gave them out to seven we were one of the seven and actually one of the highest uh to receive so we received $100,000 this year to incorporate with some money that we have saved up um that project will actually come to town hall where we'll be able to improve the bathrooms here at Town Hall which have not had improvements since uh most likely the Inception of the building in the 70s so um so I'm really happy for that uh the application process is grueling for that um I've been applying for Town Hall Grant here for the past four years um so with money Sav sa D up in this year's huge amount um that project hopefully will be underway so that's great yes so I just wanted to report that grants are very hard to come by and very hard to get um but when we get them we'd like to be able to move forward with them so perfect perfect and that's all I have mayor Thank you Lisa item 13 we're going to start with a Township committee reports and we're are going to lead off with Deputy Mayor Ellen Testa thank you um I just wanted to remind everybody about our weekly concert series it is wonderful people seem to really enjoy it and we have a few more weeks left to the uh end of the season and I want to invite all of you to come and enjoy the evenings with us um as Bill said if has become a very expensive thing for everybody to go out anymore with their families and this is easily afforded by most because it is so reasonable so please attend if you can thank you we're trying to break our single season record for ruper floats so uh we're we're getting close we've got three more concerts to do it I think last time we did about 65 or 70 of those things Bill uh we're going to jump over to committee krenzer yeah thank you mayor so bear with me guys I have some stuff to go over with you guys tonight but um quick Public Works update uh the team is out doing uh Park and Township maintenance they're spraying for weed weeds everywhere in the township cutting roadside grass Building Inspections baseball ball field uh clean up and maintenance they're grading Quigley Park uh the parking lot they're grading the train station parking lot and cleaning storm draam so they're caught up for the most part on everything going on in the town uh however you know we keep throwing stuff at them so they're they're doing great on that um just another quick note um thank you Lisa for your work on the grants I know that it's a grueling task and you spend hours of your day um doing that not only that but following up on it so appreciate that and you know it's it's unbelievable it many of you may have noticed we got new bleachers throughout our Township at our Parks too um our bleachers were not up to our insurance code of what they wanted so we had to remove all the bleachers and actually buy all new bleachers and this was done by Lisa researching a grant finding the Grant and getting the grant applying for it and then we were able to buy all new bleachers zero to taxpayers so that was pretty pretty good too um we had our car show anybody in the audience go to our car show no why not it's a shame it was hot I give it to you it was hot it was about 100° at 6:00 a.m. so I I get it um we were there it was great we had about 90 cars there it was down from last year however obviously the weather had something to do with it but everybody had great uh a great time we had uh food trucks there we had things for the kids to do we gave away away Awards and there was a lot of great great cars there and and I appreciate everybody that that came out and participated and we're going to do it next year again um Thursday night last week we had our um meeting for planning board and it's really enlightening and really nice to see people continuing to move to buav Vista Township we have such a great Township and so much to offer here um in Atlanta County and we um started the initial stages and approved um some zoning and and that for two new homes to be built in our town so it's a big deal when when that happens you know and these are these are uh one home was a tear and a completely redo and another home was a new home on a vacant lot so it it's very nice to see this happening um and and I just I appreciate everybody that that does move here in in our community that is here um and the uh the the second lot was a a piece of ground that's been in the family since 1920 so I mean that's pretty cool to see you know a third or fourth generation wanting to stay in this town absolutely absolutely and last but not least um we had an incident over the Fourth of July holiday and I know we're several weeks Beyond but um trees on power lines trees on phone lines you know Comcast lines things like that um it was reported very soon after it happened our guys went out looked at it we called it in um AC electric not their poll um xinity or Verizon Verizon not their poll and exfinity not their poll Comcast not their poll so whose poll was it we didn't we didn't know so it took several days to get this figured out but we got it figured out and some Good Samaritans came came out and got the tree off the power lines so you know I'd appreciate that and uh you know just call it in and we will do our absolute best to make sure that happened I know there were some community members that didn't like the time frame that that this all happened in however we did our best to to figure out whose poll it actually was because we can't really send our guys over there and cut trees off live wires you know that's that's what you know all these different utility companies have these people for so appreciate you bearing with us on that um I think that's it mayor so I I'll uh I'll be quiet now so appreciate it thank you thank you Aaron Comm Berard do you have anything tonight Kurt yeah just one one or two little things I would like to invite everybody to the National Night Out it's our version of July 4th we didn't have fireworks on July 4th but we're going to have we're going to make up for them on August 6 night out you know uh also it's good to look up and see people in the audience it's so many times you come out here and it's it's nothing but cheers uh it's good to see people taking interest in coming out even though I'm I'm not really happy about the reason that the it's crowded but it's a good reason and it's good to see people take an involvement in the in the township thank you Kurt item 14 public comment the committee welcomes participation of interested organizations and individuals during regular caucus workshop and special meetings however in order to conduct the business of the Township in the most productive manner possible attendees will be given four minutes all inclusive including all dialogue questions and responses from both the speaker and the committee for the designated public portion of the meeting there may be no transference of a speaker's time to other attendees so please step up to the microphone at the appropriate time and state your name and address us for the record we need a motion in a second to open the public motion to open second all in favor I I good evening hi Hi how are you um my name is Lan Lima I live at cranberry run and I'm here for two simple questions because un can you just move that way so you're in the microphone like tele you know telep T where something is said and then it just you know has a life of its own so I'm just here quickly to ask about the permits that Legacy advertises for a pool have they in fact permits for a pool at cranber run um I don't know what they've adverti but there are no permits pending at this time for legacy or anything within the area of cranberry run they do however have a pending application in front of the board that there's certain things that they still need to clear up and provide for for the board engineer in order for them to proceed I have not had any additional conversations in the past several months with anybody from that organization but the pending stuff is not related to a pool correct no that's for a pickle ball court okay thank you Lisa that's exactly what you had told me via phone I just wanted our you know neighbors to hear that and then can you explain the pad fee to us the purpose for the pad fee okay so I I know that each each home pays about $25 family we have 28 298 homes it comes to about $90,000 a year so what what is the what is that for where does that go who collects it so um Legacy where the owner of the property collects the pad fees and in turn based upon the ordinance that was done several years ago over I think it was a 15year period I think Dominic you were here when we did that one um that amount is minimal for age restricted community than it is for other um manufactured home um developments uh that pad fee pays for um different services that the township would provide whether it's EMS Services uh trash collection recycling collection um any type of roadside collection that the township would be able to provide to the community um access to the drop off facilities things of that nature is basically for Township services that that provides thank you so much and I would just like to make a comment because I work for the government for 20 years and I have to commend the DPW workers for this town um I leave in the morning to teach in a school and I'm so impressed with these guys out all the time and I go from here to Su and I don't see many people out and I do see our guys and we do very very much appreciate it it's what keeps you know being beautiful thank you is you know if there is a concern or something in the in the town and we hear of it we can respond pretty quick you know we have guys staged throughout the the community it's 44 square miles so it's it's not necessarily easy to to cover all all miles but we have guys stag throughout you know North Southeast and West most of the time we see that and we appreciate it thank you very much have a good night thank you good to see you again there how are you guys good evening um I'm here for a brief comment um and thank you all for coming I I didn't do the introd I didn't do the invite but whoever did uh I can answer any questions you have outside okay um so I'm here uh basically to do you guys want to introduce yourself everyone everyone here probably knows who you are just for everyone at home that's going to see this tomorrow night I'm Dan I'm an assembly this is my running Cody Miller and I'm a reluctant public speaker eat the brains Ona so uh we um we got in office in uh November and uh well actually the election took place in November we came to this meeting in I believe December and we heard your constituents uh speaking about the issues in cranber run so as I indicated before uh when I was sworn in the first day dropped the bill uh to cap lot rent uh ordinance or lot rent fees and um it passed the housing committee uh it's in front of the second Committee in the assembly uh we expected to be concluded quickly but that's not the real reason why I'm here tonight the real reason is um when Cody and I got in to the assembly uh we reached out to the mayor and counsel and we wanted to know what was what was needed in inista Township and uh mayor reri uh indicated that there is a tremendous need for a salt shed a new salt shed a new salted we have one there's just not much left of it and salt and water don't mix well um so uh you know in District Four last year uh there were no budget resolutions none of the towns in the district received any money in the state budget last year um so Cody and I uh went to the speaker um after we spoke with the mayor and they put in $400,000 for this town and you're going to get your so and Cody and I will do whatever we can to support your your National ey out I I don't know if I can attend but we will make every effort to do so um so with that being said U you guys have a wonderful night and well and I want to piggy back on on that real quick and just the the importance of of that structure uh so that structure at any given time houses 500 tons of rock salt that allows us to maintain 44 square miles of roadways uh the current structure in its existing state uh a strong wind you know or two or three consecutive sneezes can knock it over so it's it needed to be addressed 15 20 years ago we're just to a point now where everything is a gazillion dollars everything is failing simultaneously so this was a a tremendous ask a very big lofty ask uh but this this building is Mission critical to allow us hopefully into next winter and Beyond to continue to maintain our roadways across town so I thank you guys for being here tonight and thank you for your continued supporta is probably the fur furthest point from my home is AER Township but I told you day one it will be as important to me while I'm in the assembly as my own homeown so you guys have a wonderful we appreciate it thank you guys thank you and kind of just to piggyback off that real quick because everybody knows how much I like to talk so um you know we we buy salt strategically so when we get prices on salt and it's low we'll buy we'll buy salt in the summer if we need it for the winter I mean it all depends on when we can get it and how much it is so we're able to store it Bank it and use it year after year it's not like we give it back at the end of a winter you know so we we actually are able to buy it consistently store it in the in the salt shed and then use it consistently so it's a it's a big help so thank you thank you guys hello everybody how you doing I'm fine good John R uh permission to bring up something that might not be appropriate or could be tell me yes or no there's a auto advance is auto store chain called auto events they want to put a store in buun however there's some hurdles in the it's called the Farmland act are we talking about being a burrow or buav Vista bua yeah I was Buist or buur I just call bu well yeah there's differences yeah the auto Advan store on Landis I was buying a product there I told him where I was from said well we're trying to get a store on wheat wheat road but she said there's some hindrances she mentioned a farm land that's opposing it now it would be conducive to everybody here to have a auto part store nearby Emergency Care store urgent care that's near so that's one to bring it to your attention I've heard nothing about it uh to my knowledge this was this was progressing this was already approved and and they were in the final stages of getting this thing ready to move forward it's actually Auto Zone Auto Zone okay and it's next to Tractor Supply next to Tractor Supply in bunavista Township because across the street is the burrow and they actually just um prepared their final plans and getting ready to bond to build so that's news to me that they're running in two hurdles yeah we've heard nothing about it on our end everything has been fully approved yeah okay manager just open to me and maybe she was somewhat yeah was concerned for we are all for we need every every nickel tax revenue we can possibly get our hands on just just so everybody knows this is next to Tractor Supply I said it before but this is directly next to it and like Lisa said across the street is the burrow and uh the intelligent side with the Tractor Supply is Buist it gets very weird through that area there so when it divides oh yeah but no Auto Zone was approved last year and and they're moving forward I mean they have different hurdles to go through and approvals and septic and Atlantic County and things of that nature but they're they're getting to the final stages of their approval but everything from us is pretty much good to go right yeah perhaps the store manager isn't aware of what the higher hierarchy of the organization is doing yeah yeah everything everything they needed from us we we blessed several months ago you guys a good bunch thank you sir thank you you're in the zone I need tissue hi I'm Frank Lewis from run a couple questions there recyclable BS there a lot of people in a trailer park don't have them or broken and they said they cost $80 for a new one so the recycling totes um depends on which one you want to get you can get the free ones which are the smaller buckets from the acoa they'll drop them off to you um or you can purchase the 96 gallon totes um online at the ACA and they drop them off to you as well um but our contractor is the Atlanta County Utilities Authority or you can go to your hardware store and you can purchase totes on your own you don't have to purchase them through them either is the one that we have the blue one in the back of the room what would they give for free um for free correct right behind her yeah the trash guy broke mine got you yeah mine mine has a nice a nice crack in it too it you know they broke it yeah they came out in 2016 so they're about eight years old yeah I would put a call in uh it might be something if you can maybe send or email a photo and say obviously this isn't something that I did it was the force of the truck that that there might be some in ability for them to work with you but there didn't have one they don't have fory B so maybe um um Lisa is there a way that you could provide a phone number or something to contact that cranberry Run for the free one is um so they do everything on their website it's all online it's all online or you can call them is on the U um I'm sorry I was going to say the number for them is on the calendar we give out every year and on the table there's a small card that card is from the acoa it's a calendar for all of their um pickup dates on there has their telephone number as well don't call the one that says Public Works call the one for ACA there's two numbers there's two numbers on there bring your thing in and drop it and drop it off and you know yeah then you can buy a new one it's like then they drop them off to you yeah the other lady didn't have one so you know try to find her one so had extras all right and update on Grandberry R the roads putter in car seal you know driveway seal that's what they did make it look pretty it's all black but you got bumps like five six 8 in deep in you know so they made it look pretty but it's not really good drivable places like one Pole's like this big where it goes down and there's a pipe there have you heard anything along those lines from no not since G mechanical called and said that they fixed everything that was there with the drainage I mean I'm just saying I have not heard H I have not heard anything since the beginning of the year when you guys initially came out after that it was radio silent from cuz it stopped raining Raining they had a truck out clean the plate that goes through with a river okay in the P fills it's still going flight there's no place for the rest of the water to go right they didn't do nothing to have a order go elsewh you know did you well I mean at one point we as a group when you guys were last here we talked about um maybe you guys all getting together seeking some legal representation I mean did did that go anywhere or anything happened with that just out of curiosity so you find anything I we don't have of course yeah did you go to the Atlantic County yep did you go to Atlantic County to the uh well that's why that Tru came out to clean the bikes no no no I I meant for Legal Services what was the name of the organization Atlanta County um isn't it the legal services I don't there is a proo for every County so but I think it's down in Atlantic City I love you guys just drive down the road come right in drive down the road drive around make sure you got your SE have you and and this is just I'm trying to understand the whole picture here so apologize for my maybe um not knowing but you guys have obviously reported this to whoever runs the facility get the to rep the roads they did patches and they just P back it's about that it's coming off now already so they did like um tar and Chip probably is what they did yeah they just seal CED they left the holes and then they spray what what is the um response um from cranberry run from their management or whomever Legacy yeah Legacy does does nothing ring click ring click the outfit that they had they said they were doing what they were told just spray painting over the not even so when we when we met last guys this was the the the entity that we had suggested if somebody can take this down it's it's South Jersey Legal Services and it's it's 609 348 42000 and they are on Atlantic Avenue in Atlantic City okay and that would be a very good starting point I mean there's there's really there's so much we can do and I think you guys all understand that you know it's obviously a private company private property and that however you know is there can we email the um the management for the that we know of and and ask for an update on the road how did the road turn out I can email their attorney they have attorney that's representing them so everything goes to the attorney I mean maybe that's what we do is just get an update from them so where new people coming in is going to be paying $993 yeah we heard $193 a month not in selling but they don't take care let's say you got the pipe break the water pipe from the street all the way into your house not under your house if it breaks under your house you have to fix it you know the main line yeah turn the shut mouth and that breaks underneath one guy dug like 8 ft down to try to fix the plate and another guy had one broken too and oh they said just go buy get a plum electrical lines high voltage lines only the box that's on the street it doesn't cover to the junction or to the to your meter if it breaks in there you have to pay to get some to fix it you're not allowed dig got to get a contractor my neighbor paid over three grand to do that okay the street lights in front of our house that's our electricity yes it's hard wire into your trailer street lights out front GL majority of the lighting in there is that the people are pay yes okay what's the other stuff you know so much stuff to do you know you know3 but I mean at this point I think need someone to have negotiation for the new contract well we want no representative that no one will stop saying you got to do this you got to help them with that the electric lines are in your ground it's you to be their responsibity the Border plate okay inside the house I could understand mobile home but under the ground that should be part of their their Duty so look looking at the scope of this overall with what you know concerns and issues you all have with the um with the particular uh owners of of cranberry run Legacy I I I think that having one spokesperson I think that having you know all of these concerns and issues addressed on like a document you know where you know hey boom boom boom fual information maybe pictures things like that and it's a living document that you guys can keep adding to absolutely and I think that that's going to be very important and provide a lot of uh validity to your to your case okay yeah ask permission to PL a tree but if you're there and the tree is already there you're responsible to take care of it and if you want it down you got to pay to got it down I paid three grand for two trees I estimate for one tree for five grand that close to my trail you know Big Oak Tree and I think that that's part of the the you know the document the bulle tized document you need to you need to put together you know cuz ultimately they need to know I mean if you guys are all calling them you know 10 different people 10 different times a day and telling them this and that I think if you all get together as one and create a document as one and here you go I like to just have voice into the new contract well that that's why pay more we got pay more for new people coming in since the pulled on here yet they should take care of more stuff when you first moved there were you aware of all of these things uh the trees yes the other stuff the electric lines no so when something before broke how was that handled like underneath your trailer or near it or they called the guy had his um pipe for the the sprinkler they called a plumber and sent him to Bill okay but you got fig the PES are 40 years old yeah a lot of them are breaking and a lot of people can't afford to get them fixed they just shot off three trailers one braks they shut three trailers and SP to one of the guys in a trail park not too long ago I just bring it to Wess you know I know they got someone in their pocket or they want to do whatever they want to do but there's got to be something to say it's St on one hand hey you can't do hey you need to do this if you're paying you know all this money new people are paying all this money now no it's buying Trails you know you get a small house someplace you know that's was mortgage well that was that was why that was why it was suggested to you to get legal representation because none of this is anything that we can really yeah I mean this stuff transcends us but you guys definitely need well you got have Zoning for the electrical wires on the ground right no that's no yeah that's all private property I mean we that's all into one or many polls on the property and then yeah correct El that's the DCA we can't touch thing they can fix that you know so they have a conflict about you know it's our electric wi it's out to the box yet you know it's a service you know about going to the box but they can't fix it but now the guy don't have Elric got youou yes from the their box to your trailer before it hits your meter you're responsible to fix it the water pipes from the street to your trailer you're responsible is this all in your new is there a new contract that you guys all signed get the new contract yet was this in your previous contract this something I would like to to add into it that they will take yeah I would definitely please reach out to South Jersey Legal Services at some point this week I mean they are yeah we just gave it to her yes Legacy attorney we that also and we do have a living document with all of this and this is why we all I just want to make sure didn't mean to blow your ears up no you're fine wor f concerned Trail $100,000 a month money that's going to be get tax should goer that LE does everybody know who to contact if they want to be able to provide any complaints that they have is has that been distributed amongst the community as to who to contact we have a regional manager we have a park manager we have a Facebook page where we collect the issues and then meet with the park manager and then but does everybody here know everybody here know how to get in touch of with you guys as to what their complaints are okay and we have listed all of these complt and I thinky okay just wanted to make sure everybody knew how to get a hold of Within your community I know they got subm the contract before they ra all the rents up that's going to be over 20% think 20% okay thank you thank you sir yeah um very brief I just want to thank um the mayor and the committee they've worked with us to try and address these issues by we us reaching out to them trying to resolve them unfortunately as the committee has said earlier their hands are tied when it comes to this stuff because you have a private contract with a private company your utilities are private utilities so as a I was a council person very limited in what they can and can't do so I encourage you to reach out to South Jersey Legal Services so you can start looking through your contracts and what that looks like in your increases but as far as the committee is concerned we are office they can continue to reach out to like Legacy uh unless it's something that's a matter of public safety or urgency like if a roadway was blocked or if there was some you know tragedy that happened the committee is very limited in what they can and can't do which is why I would encourage you all to continue to meet as a group collectively you can still communicate with Council but as they said previously it's very difficult because you have a contract with a private company so if there's anything that we can do I know that you can reach out and email the mayor and Committee Member members and they will Advocate on your behalf but just want you to be aware I know you can come to these meetings and address these concerns but the committee is limited in what they can and can't do and I know that you know they're advocating on your behalf and we're doing it as well working together so I just wanted to state that and and the engagements with Legacy are going to be so much more impactful coming from legal counsel than they are from from us or from ld4 um it's literally I mean Lisa literally is like just novels with these guys and it's in one ear and out the other uh as soon as it's from you know the law offices of then it's immediate and and it's you know it becomes a priority soed in colonial states in mon Township they sought legal services for a contract that was absolutely God awful and they fought got representation and they're working on addressing some of the inconsistencies in their contract because the contract is with a private company um we're here mainly I mean we have the two questions but other than that it's really just your own so that you know what's happening within your Township and we would imagine that you'd want we welcome you guys every meeting we learn when you guys all come in when the whole Community comes in and even giving us updates on Legacy cranberry run and things like that so it's not discouraged At All by any means you know however as was stated yes we there's not much we can do the time you were here the last time we gave you the same uh notification of who to contact and I guess it wasn't done as as far as legal services and now you have that information once again and I would suggest that you do it yes no we didn't we didn't know that this specific I I I take the notes and I know I I follow up within 24 hours as I did with my legislative office so that we did not know but we will certainly follow up and and you have given us other advice that we' followed and we've been successful so um we do appreciate your help can I can I say something it's very nice to have everybody here tonight and and address these these situations but the council's aware because I tell them constantly I live in fber run and your problems are my problems you know what Kurt we'd love for you to contact us we'd love for you to join us I've dealt with Legacy and you might as well talk to this tissue box they could care less about us you know Kurt does every about every week or or every two weeks when we meet he does bring us up to speed on different things going on you know in in that area so there's so many things going on in the community right now in your Park specifically there has to be even if there's a dozen plus there has to be at least one or two that I if you have you know even 20 or 30 minutes of dialogue with with with legal counsel something that these guys can run with because there has to be more cause and effect they just can't continue to increase perpetually and you guys are are completely inundated with these infrastructure issues between the flooding the pipes you know the drainage you know all of the stuff the conditions of the road so and you know we see it too from Facebook you know from um you know Facebook and things like that and we we share it with one another the flood or this or that so you know we're we're very active on social media as well and we have come further we have the big trucks with the pipes and they've been working on it every day they've been with us since last week so some you know it life moves slowly sometimes but we're willing to put the time in the work and that was something we cited did we cite them for that or uh um we politely told them if they didn't do it they would be cited yeah and they did it yeah okay politely we politely encouraged I'm Darlene nice uh I live run I've been there 21 years um I'm grateful to hear about the legal councel information that we can now connect with um and maybe I'm completely wrong but I thought one of the main reasons for this meeting tonight with an assembly men was going to address outside I apologize aard that comment sorry all right I state that wrong but the idea of I just want to say this lot rent just in general it is grass and dirt underneath our house that's what the issue comes down to the basics it's our our houses are okay our driveways are okay but they're increasing whatever I guess we're going to talk outside I apologize no you're fine sit down thank you Darlene Darlene thank you yes sir John from kber to put you back on crank concerning the roads I talked to the contractor I got down in deep with them they were allowed to $90,000 to do a job a person from legy came out and determined what got cut up what didn't not the park manager so they were dictated what did what didn't we have cracks along the road that are this deep this wide I watched them they only fill them halfway then I started talking down I started talking to you know one one we want to get out of here they were about of 90 grand said this is a bandaid even the owner said this is a bandaid then they said they were told to come back guys can we keep it down and just we can't hear I'm sorry thank you they were told to come back I would told from a contractor and they were good workers they swe and were t we need some boxing gloves in the form of a legal representation and we will get Bard Heavenly South Jersey Legal Services doesn't get you much these days a burger thank you thank you you're welcome L hi good how are you Bob what was your last name r and I know there's been talk before about Carin road but recently there's been a big big influx of big tractor trailers Up Down cber Road couple of times I had to drive on a golf course race because they're only down center of the road the lines you can't see them the whole road is no passing you can't see the lines you got to you got to drive and see it uh the tractors we understand it's a farm area so you pull over you L the P but a lot of track or trailers now running and running down Center Road and driving people into the grass something's got to be done it's just getting out of hand uh State Police were there about a week ago and they sort of slowed things down but they're there one day and gone it's a 35 M Road Nobody Does that one day I was on the road a pickup truck pass me about 75 miles an hour and then no passing Road pass but you can't see the lines unless you know they're there something's got to be done it's not it's not just a cosmetic thing first of all I don't think the road itself meets the standards of a road because it's fourt on one side is covered with grass so I don't think it meets the width for the RO what it's meant to be used for and without the lines and with these big tractor trailers they must have put it own GPS somehow now so what is update on coverland we um we just introduced the bond ordinance this evening um part of that Bond ordinance is for municipal roadway improvements which includes the lining of Cumberland Road so um part of that Bond ordinance is the township would need to basically we're going to borrow the money against ourselves so that way there's no interest and pay it back over 10 years so we don't have to go into the open market um but once this is done and improved we'll work on some bid specifications and then it's going to go out to bid for a contractor to come out and put the lines in in the road is it a time frame we're hoping by the end of the year we're talking June by the time we adopted it's August we have 45 days to allow that to go through and then bid specification so um for the lines there's no closing of any tarous where we would be Milling other roads and things of that nature so the lines should be able to be done as long as the weather remains good um but borrowing any weather issues hopefully by the end of this year all right I appreciate it so thank thank you thank you B anybody else tonight me okay come on down you tilt that microphone down a little so oh I can you okay my name is I'm I want know if you are you ahead of like anything that goes on on top of the whole Road like you know lights or stop signs or anything like that or is that count count County County County maybe you can still address it to them maybe I don't know but when they come out tuo road we come out cuming I mean I got that close the other day a dump truck come D and I had stopped and I went to go made one through it never even stopped I mean he missed me by a hair he'd killed me if he had hit me and I've seen it so many times day Troopers will sit over there they sit back a little bit they see them they they stop see that's four happened to me four different times now that I almost got hit over there and I stop from a complete stop and I wait and I look nobody coming all of a sudden bang here comes a car never even about to stop that needs a light or something I don't know if you know where there's a light over on rooster Road and Maple Avenue yep yeah that's a new one yeah that's not really that we need something like that because they're not stopping at that road you got to stop sign this big there I mean you have to be blind not to see it but they don't care they still go through it and my next their neighbor before before she moved she had the same thing she almost got killed over there you're saying coming coming off of tuckaho going on to Cumberland to get out to 40 go out toout 40 come around this way and there's a stop sign there's two stop signs there but they don't they don't look so I think that this is twofold and is cuz they would also need do approval cuz they'd have to not only that light but the do light because they're only about 200 ft away from each other kind where I was going with this so what what I think we could do is probably let the county maybe know that hey there's a problem here you know could could you look at it and enhance you know whatever traffic signal or traffic um stop you know whether it be rumble strips whether it be you know different things along those lines there the the second part they probably could do the um LED blinking on top of the stop signs they could do that I don't you see what they we've been asking for at Union and Landis and that's not happening so the blinks yeah yeah because they got to see something but also can we um it can't continue somebody going get killed there right can we we can definitely we've been trying to do something similar at Landis and Union as well for the last year with the county just either in the form of lights or or rumble strips just because got kill oh yeah I know can we also shoot the state police just a message bring it up to them if they do something because I get a lot of traffic there TR down and they just they sometimes they'll go right straight across behind the truck place you know yeah and or go this way with the truck stop but I I mean I see this like four or five times a week at least they run this stop sign I mean and it's big enough to see it it's not like you got a little it's big I'm going to mention it tonight to Jim bertino from the county on my way home well I appreciate it I like before I get killed over there i' like to live a few more years I mean I'm old but I don't want to go yet do take care okay thank thank you are we done with you done with us or we're still in meeting however if you guys have anything to say to us that's that's fine otherwise you're you're free to to leave thank you for coming close the public hi my mom ready to shape her and I was just wondering um if you all have any updates on the resolution 10224 regarding theor um as it's pending litigation we're still working on it there's not much that I would be permitted to release at this time um because now it is pending litigation so um um hopefully in the future we would be able to provide something but at this point it's that stuff would be remaining confidential between attorney client okay and that it has gone up to the court it hasn't gone up to the court we are producing documents to the court we're we're working on the litigation it's that's all I can say at the moment can you um just explain like the litigation meaning like the township is preparing a case or preparing doents to send up to the court for we're preparing the legal action that will be submitted to the court okay but we don't have any idea when that might I'm working on it I'm working on it it's it's complex to be able to do it and do it right um we want to do it in one shot so it's complex but we're working on it thank you thank you thank you Julie anything tonight anything tonight for us no app what my freight trains have have in them when they go through our intersections did you see how many are there um I looked up the seashore lines because I asked the question about what they were doing with the tracks just go right to the mic if you don't mind please i' ask what they were doing on the tracks and um you know because it's been pretty major so then when I I went to their website and they also have a section on they talked about getting funding to be able to do this to you know what the um the IRA funding you so they're you know to improve the infrastructure so that part but on the rest of their website I mean they've got their thing about the um the sis Express and that type of thing but they also store railroad cars they've got a whole section A whole business in storing railroad cars so I know that's a big ISS with some of our other River communities especially Corbin City and Upper Township so when I was going down I noticed you know I had to go down to other Road they've got a whole lot of cars stored on that siding right there in tuo they' brought in a lot more yeah so and they are not tankers but one of the things that it had on their website and I'm not you know I'm not the alarmist but it was one of the reasons I think our River Council got into looking at this you know some of the other towns have got a lot more to and we do directly over the river this is not over the river where I'm looking at it but they can store containers with Hazmat materials in them so I you know I mean I just was looking at that was from their website so they're marketing it that way that that is one of the services that they can provide so as I said I'm not being an alarmist about it but it was just something that kind of came up with some of the other big accidents around and then you yourself said it's kind of hard to get a lot of information from the train company so we did um Dave shig our Township engineer reached out to the do regarding the crossing at Jackson um they repli back and said that just like the polls it's not their responsibility it's under the responsibility of K May SE Shoreline um we reached out to Kate May Seashore line and a day later they came back and they said thank for making us aware of it um the do they reached out to the do to get an application for um I guess funding they turn around I guess they need to get a quote as to how much it's going to cost provide it to the dot for approval before they can do any improvements but it's not the do's responsibility however our however our engineer put them on notice of the dangerous aspect of it and the potential of damages to the vehicles that would be the responsibility of Kate May Seashore line so we did that for a purpose of in case somebody crosses it and there is damage and they come after the township we've made them very well aware of the dangerous situation we asked them at a minimum to put what they have that rubber casing um before they actually clear it all out and they put that um it's more of that metal plastic that they put on there so uh he did ask at a minimum to do some type of temper work um and they had to get do approval for that but they're not responsible for it no I sorry I'm a little Nas tonight like their fing came for the infrastructure that came toy I guess so then they were able to get Grant there so maybe that's I'll look into that more that's a big one for our River Council but I appreciate you putting that out there I mean I think this is one step you just put a little bit more pressure on them well making them aware that we know you know and it's you know I hope we never have to a lot of issues us too I mean issues but it was weird because we also had a notification that they were going to that the do was going to do some work on the weth I guess there's one that goes across weth and that's a Do's responsibility but the one on Jackson isn't and that's I don't understand that after Stu it's yes it's after it so I'm not quite sure I I I don't know the relationship there other than the fact that we put them both on notice we put the do on notice and we put Kate mayy Shoreline on notice yeah I know there were issues when the Richland side was built and who owned what right you know who had to sign off on it so but anyway thank you very much for pushing that and I also said if you would like to have any type of presentations about appreciate it uh motion and a second to close to the public motion to close to the public second all in favor I I item 15 executive session um we have resolution 11 19-24 authorizing committee to go into executive session whereas we we have three items scheduled for discussion this evening to include any pending or anticipated litigation or any matters within attorney client privilege or contract negotiations as an update to local 676 Union contract and attorney legal updates as well as any matter involving the employment appointment termination or conditions of employment to include the position of Chief Financial Officer uh CFO I estimated 20 minutes for executive session and we do anticipate taking action after need a motion and a second to enter executive session motion to enter second roll call krenzer yes Renard yes Testa yes reer yes and that's it thank you