All right, rise and shine. 7 a.m. I'm going to call this meeting to order. Uh, everyone's here besides Joel Lynn. Let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Uh, we only have one item on the agenda as far as I'm aware, unless you have anything else to add, J. Uh, we can't do
the special need. All right, that answers that. I would uh look for a motion to approve the agenda. I'll make a motion. I'll second the motion. Randy on the second. Any other discussion?
All in favor say I. I oppose. Motion carries. have one agenda consideration to approve the fiscal year 27 list of reductions for a total of $700,000.
Uh at the last um regular board meeting, the school board uh directed administration to come up with $700,000 worth of cuts and bring them back for approval. And again the the reason for doing it uh at this point and this these
are for FY27 cuts. So not for this current year but for the following fiscal year. Uh we need to uh be transparent and get the cuts out ahead of the uh vote when that begins for absentee balloting on September 19th. So
the idea would be to have an approved list of reductions for uh this upcoming election time so that people understand what uh is at stake here. And so without further ado,
uh administration did take a list of expenditures to cut to the finance committee meeting last Friday where there was a very healthy discussion around these items and ultimately the finance committee uh decided to pass on
this list with potential discussion around uh one other item which is a four period. And so I can go through the list here and then the board can commence discussions around that. And I'll clarify as much as I can as I'm going
through this list here about the cuts. Uh the first one is a 1.0 elementary fied teacher. Uh this would cut us down to the state minimum requirements for fied and we would not be getting all day every day fied anymore. It would be uh
probably about every other day or so. Uh there would be a first grade teacher section that would be cut. We'd go from four sections down to three sections. Uh the total class sizes as it would sit today would put us on the high end of the recommended
uh numbers per class in first grade. Uh next one would be a second grade teacher. Uh this would put us this would go from four sections down to three sections as well. And this would put us uh just outside of the recommended
numbers that we have on our recommendation sheet for class sizes. Uh secretary restructure. Uh we would reduce one secretary uh out of the total of four that we have. We currently have two in each building.
we would reduce one um and then have the other second one uh travel back and forth between the buildings working on various assigned items but mainly being a a district cashier to help with um the
intake of money within the offices. Um 1.0 I know access teacher in the secondary access is a support for students uh in need of extra help. Um we originally had a grant for this and we
have to cash flow the first year of that grant but we could not find a teacher for that. So we are foregoing that and we had already um had plans to to put this into the budget for this year and so we are taking it
back out for the following year. Uh we will be reducing a sixth assignment art that we currently have which is an elective. It's not a required art. We would reduce 1.0 0 food service
restructure um within the either building. Uh Lori would make that work. 1.0 districtwide pair of professional because pair professionals are are uh reimbursed at 2/3 rate.
That's the reason why the number is just under $8,000 there. we would eliminate or charge for in town transportation. And uh so what we mean by eliminating uh the
school district is required to uh transport kids outside of the two-mile radius. And so we would either stop the in town pickups when buses come in and parents would have to figure out a way to get their child to school either by
driving them themselves or somebody else or having them walk or we would charge uh for in town transportation for the year. Area schools do or have been starting to charge for in town transportation.
Uh so this isn't the first that uh we wouldn't be the first school in the area to start doing that. The next two items are reductions in supply budgets for these different areas. We would have 5% in our general
overall supply budget and 5% for construction supply budget and then a 10% uh supply budget for the bus garage and operations supply budget reduction. uh the activity fee increase the for this coming year or for this year
currently. We had a pretty big increase uh from last year to this year and then we would be increasing that again up uh to $200 uh total for FY27. We'd remove the family cap
on that as well. We would start charging senior citizens for student admission. Currently they are getting in free. Um and we would start charging them the student rate. Uh fall musical would move to community
ed much like the spring play is now. that would move from the uh fund one general fund to uh fund four community ed. We will increase the rentals at the CCC. Again, uh this was the first year for
this current year that we did have rentals for the senior center. uh we would essentially uh add another $1,000 a month onto the cost of that and increase other uh people's rent as well
that use the CCC. There would be a $5 or $5 5% overall facility rental fee increase for the oneoffs that come in and rent our uh facility. We would increase the season pass price
we would return uh students to having to pay for entrance into activities. If you remember that was uh taken away during COVID. Um the next one we would be charging for live streaming
for our events. So there be no more free live streaming. We would reduce golf coaches from 4 to three. Varsity and JV golf non-conference, we would have to be at a same day, same
location. Uh currently, uh some of them split and go to different locations on the same day. This would be more efficient transportation wise. Uh we would limit travel for non-conference junior high games. Uh the idea would be to stay within approximately 30 miles of Canon Falls
for junior high events to reduce transportation. We would have a 1.0 custodian reduction currently. Um we've had this in the budget, but we haven't hired it over the summer uh since the last time we lost a
custodian. And so this should be I mean it's never easy but uh we haven't we wouldn't have to uh let somebody go for that position. And then finally uh the inventory dollars that the scoop district has been
uh reserving for facility use uh these are general operating dollars and those would be put back into uh general operating use and cover some of the cuts as well. The grand total is $72,89340.
This is a fun way to start out the week. Yeah. I don't know if a Friday would have been better or not, but uh well, I think we'll start off with the top with any um
any questions. Um Mr. Strauss, can we get an idea? I know we're talking on the top side of class sizes for first and second grade. Where would those numbers currently sit as
they are in first and second for next year? They would actually both be over. Um the guideline goes up to 23 for first and second. The first grade ones would be 24, 24, 25, and the second grade ones would all be 26. It's a lot of young kids in a classroom.
Mhm. I can only think what it's like when I have about 10 or 11 over for a birthday party at that age. I have a question on the food service restructure. How many do we have in each building now? We have five in the high school and
I guess it's five down to five in the elementary now. Okay. And so we would cut one in either building. So one of the buildings would be down to four. question on the um eliminator or charging town transportation that is that 29,000 that
consists of is that fuel savings drivers or is that part revenue from charging? How does that mix look without a good way of doing it? Because all the buses come in from like a pie shape back to the the middle which would
be the school here. Um, and is it four of them pick up in town kids? Yeah. And he said most of them, but lesser. Oh, yeah. He did say at least four routes come and pick up in town kids. So, we get charged a base rate for all the regular routes. So, the
morning after school routes and this would reduce one route on that. Um, it'd be hard to put together what a number could possibly be to charge depending on the number of families the amount that would be charged. So, the way to get a number on there was to take reduce one road from the regular road bill.
And in town, uh, like other school districts range from anywhere from $300 to $600, um, a year per charge. Yep. Is that per student or per family? Per housetop. Yeah. Per house. So, if it's, you know,
300 versus if you got two kids, we said it was like 250 per child, 500 family max. Yeah, that's right. there is a family max on that. Um, so I I think that will be determined about that's the next thing that we need
to to set what the limits would be on that. And this would be a two-m radius. Uh, as the crow flies, city limits or Well, it gets a little tricky up on the
I we did this last year for this year and way up in the west side behind the fairgrounds. If you're driving that, it's over two miles. Mhm.
And I think Allison has a radius of where that would be. I just know that we're on the border of city limits to the east as well, right? So I just was curious if some of them would be required.
Oh, outside of the city. Yeah. I mean, it's 2 miles from the city. Okay. Yeah. So that that 29 or 30,000 number is eliminating. That's the savings. I wouldn't that has nothing that doesn't have any charge figured.
Yeah. A lot of these numbers are they're estimates. So the only way to really get an estimate for the transportation is to remove one route. Sure. To physically just do it as taking one route away would be difficult in that now all the rural routes are going to have to consolidate or combine children
on the buses and that could also change the route which would impact the time. Sure. Um, I think it's an unwritten kind of policy of the board, but we try to keep kids on a bus less than an hour and that would probably impact that and and just for conversation sake,
we've in my time we've talked about this a lot of taking this away, you know, taking the transportation away and the barrier has always been Highway 19 is just unsafe. So, that one I mean all these concern me, but that one
was tough. That's why I was wondering if it was within city limits or outside too. Yeah, historically my understanding is that the the district has always had in town transportation which a lot of schools don't. Um and safety factors is a big one as
I've always understood the historical perspective of the board. The support teacher um is it what is it specific? Is it is it like a learning math deal or is it It's a math and reading. Okay.
Um support for secondary students on the elementary school side. So more of a comment and I'll leave a question. I don't like I don't think any of us like seeing the hit at the elementary school. um that's our point of entry for most of our families and first of all
we're going down to exceeding our guidelines and then having to mark it down to gym every other day. My concern is we're going to lose even more families because of that. So outside of this are there have we looked at carrying over to more of an administrative restructure? Are a lot of
folks are pulling double duty today. Are there areas that we can cover with having other admins covering either a gym class or a teacher? We'd have to look at licensing from that standpoint. Yep.
Um and I know uh we got two social studies teachers here. We have um math and English, I believe, and we have FIAD help. Um, we also had to look at the uh seniority
part of it and whether they could bump anybody out of those positions. Um, because if we're bumping somebody now, then um there's a senior piece to it and and just, you know, you made a very
important statement about we're afraid that we're going to lose other students. I think we're at a point right now where no matter what we do or what angle you take, you always run that risk. And so a lot of it is risk reduction. Yep. You know, for example, we could have put
like middle school sports as a as a broad statement on here that we're cutting that and turning that over to like community ed or to the club or CFYA. Um, but that cost expenditure was $70,000, but if we lose six or seven kids, then we're we're neutral.
So, I think that's a, you know, it's always a concern, but we get to that point where we're at right now when you start talking about full programming, we run the risk of losing kids anywhere, unfortunately. Yep. Agreed. I think there's are there other areas where we are soul sourced,
right? So other districts have ads that are doing assistant principal, ads doing gym class, ads doing teachers. Uh we have others, food service that are, you know, helping the parasite multi-purpose. Yeah. So there's multi-purpose roles. Are we sole sourced today? I know a lot of folks in this room are carrying a
significant amount other responsibilities. But outside of that, where are we? Have you taken a hard look in asking to where we can expand some of those responsibilities with the reduction that we had last year
into administration? Um obviously there was more put on the building principles. Yes. For that. So if we're asking them to teach classes, that means that they're not available during that time, you know, to deal with kids or parent issues or
whatever else. I mean, we can certainly take a look at it. Yeah. Um, but it's not ideal with, you know, it depends on what what we want to do with with staff. Yep. Agreed. Yeah. I'm just, you know, this is it's
such a huge hit at the elementary school. We've already taken one. I don't I'd like to I know these are proposals, but I'd like to see some areas outside of that, you know, from expanding to the roles and responsibilities of getting whether
we need to map that all out and see where we can do that. I think it's worthwhile to not only the students but also the community. Sure. I had a just a general over question here on on this list. So this is meant
to for transparency right for the community so they know what is so we're making recommendations or we're taking recommendations from the finance committee is this things change right so we go out to vote whatever
are we are we tied to the I mean are we so we're trying to be transparent and we're trying to give the the community a list but this things change and what does that look like if you know, say it doesn't pass, are we
tied? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think I understand your question. Um, you know, you told the community you're going to cut $700,000 and this is the list and if you need I understand that things may change as you go throughout
the year before you get to the finaliz of it. Um, we think that this will work with the uh scheduling that we need to have done for the following year. Um, if you are going to change this list, I would ask what are you going to change
on it to still equal $700,000 because I think that's the bare minimum that you have to reach. You can't just say you're going to put this out there and all a sudden you're only going to cut $400,000. I think you get torched. Yeah. So, so to your point, it's the number that we got to go after. How we get
there is for the sake of transparency the line items are here. However, if that changes, right? Well, I don't know. I think you kind of want to look at this that this is this is the last thing you want to see as close as you can. I would say the only thing that would change dramatically is if if uh class
sizes change quite a bit, that that would be something that you consider like we did with uh fourth grade or or what we do every single year is right sizing classes, right? So that would be one thing that I think you could look at possibly changing. But anything else here, we got
to go in with the mindset that this is what's happening. Yeah. And and one thing, and Ronnie, chime in if I miss it, but in the finance meeting, we discussed a lot about a 4-day school week and what that looks like and what those potential
savings are, and it's significant. Um, so it would relieve some pressure here we may feel, but it's really rushed too, right? So I think it's all new for everybody. Um, if you choose to go that direction,
um, I think the number we thought was we we're we're thinking to play conservative at a $250,000 savings. So, could potentially be more, but we don't have
there again. Haven't had all the time uh to come up with the data. I know uh we've had conversations with other superintendents that are uh either currently doing it or uh about to implement it. And uh going off of uh
what they've said and what comparing our budgets to their budgets, we can use 250,000 as a pretty conservable conservative achievable number and finance spent a ton of time talking
about it. Um and some admin was there to to chime into um from that. So it's not on this as a recommendation just because that group felt it was is pretty rushed pretty to make that switch. Personally I
see a lot of pressure put on families here, you know, like it's not necessarily all taxpayers that are affected by this. It's mostly parents, right? because it's teachers, it's activity fees, it's busing, and then you
say we went to a a 4 day school week just adds a lot more in my opinion, it's going to add a lot more pressure on the parents because on that Friday, whatever day it would be, you got to find care for your child or or stay home or try to work from home with and that's all difficult.
So, I would just add it was a very quick decision. And I mean we were in that meeting for probably a little less than two hours. There was about eight of us for a majority of the meeting. Um some community members, some staff and
you know feedback from that's a very small group to make such a big change in our district and you know we do have a little bit of information but we don't have a ton. It'd be interesting to hear um from the public and we just don't have
enough time to pull that. it'd be nice to research what has been done, you know, further with um other communities and stuff. We've started reaching out but um haven't haven't dove into it deeply, but it's a good opportunity for
us to discuss it here first. Yeah, I think when we very first started talking about a 4 day uh school week, it was definitely it's still kind of a new concept, you know, and whether or not like educational wise does that actually pan out in the long run, test scores, all that kind of fun information. Um, and like we talked about financially,
like are we still going to have to have staff on? Are we still going to have to have food services? Are we going to be opening up the doors to be like, "Yep, we're taking all these kids even though we're not teaching them, but we need to take care of them because the parents don't have any place to put their kids for the day." Um, for sure. It's definitely a brand new concept, but I
think I think it's an interesting idea and but like you said, yeah, it's very new. It's a very new idea, I think, for a lot of people in the community. I think a big new thing at the elementary school. I've heard a lot of things as um the elementary school is starting up now last week with their two
days. Um the new readact is um putting a lot of pressure on those elementary teachers and fitting all of that curriculum into their day has been a challenge or you know something that's going to be challenging to navigate. um in addition
to all the other subjects, trying to get those all in. And so taxing a 4 day week onto that right away as we're starting new curriculum too is daunting from the strictly from the teacher perspective. Um I don't know what that would look
like. So it's just it would be interesting to get more input from everyone that is affected. Yeah, but this this transportation one is that's tough to chew on. I was just going to say on the 4day
thing, it's also trying to figure out uh we're we're so when we're talking about, you know, whether it's test scores or what kind of education level they're getting from it. One thing that I don't know if there is any data on, but I try to think about is
um now we're looking at first and second graders. If there's 22 in a class for 4 days, are they getting better education that way or having 27 or 28 for 5 days?
Right. Right. And trying to figure that out because I don't know. Right. Right. Right. I don't know if it's been around long enough to do that. I don't think there's a few districts in the status chatfield. There's seven districts so far in
Minnesota that are doing it. Um it's it's been around for about 14 years in the state. State there was a moratorum put on it which was recently lifted. Um and so school boards can uh decide to
go that route. Okay. if they want to. Again, it's becoming very popular in other states. Yeah. And the the besides the the fiscal savings, there are social and emotional benefits that
districts have found for both students and staff uh to going four days a week. uh communities have to be uh surveyed every year um as part of NDE's process
and it is between 85 and 90% uh people don't want to get rid of it the first year is an adjustment you know people in change don't always go yeah hand in hand um but quite honestly
uh the superintendent from ACG DC. I asked him about child care because the child care piece we could offer it that fifth day can for families. Yeah. So we can we could still keep the facilities open for we just it won't be the educational piece of it.
Right. And that's fund four versus fund one. Yep. And so you're running it out of a different fund um for that piece. So there's no additional cost in the general fund for that. Um you'd be eliminating transportation on
that day. Correct. Teachers wouldn't want more. Transportation service is still there. So we obviously we'll have some operational cost during Oh yeah. They said the biggest operational cost that you're going to save on is water. You're not going to really save much on heating and electricity, right? Um but water is going to be probably
your biggest savings. Transportation, uh some hourly employees depending on how you structure. Uh some schools offered uh lunches on that fifth day and some didn't. Um and so I mean there's different doing that.
We could look at doing that similar to what our summer program was in a way possibly. Yeah. Oh yeah. because actually so I've been digging on this since Thursday last week quite a bit and
there's definitely downsides of going to that 4 day but the the biggest problem for me going uh that way and this is something that people don't probably want to talk about
a whole lot but it's a reality of it is we maybe have some kids in this community that don't get the greatest care at home and they need school. Yep. That's giving them one less day. Yep. Yeah.
And that's what uh that's the one thing that that's actually like the really the only thing for me personally uh that makes that a hard decision. So I agree.
Yeah. food service and the care as well. I'm with you on that one. Yeah, I would agree. I would kind of just as a blanket statement reducing it would save us about $250,000 um pull back, you know, we wouldn't have
to cut those teachers, but then yes, you're cutting a day of instruction. And I'd like to think that those kids would stay home and read and work on math problems and stuff, but we know that's probably not the case. They're going to, right? You know, so is it better to have more
kids in the class or is it better to have one less day? We don't have We probably won't ever have data to run side by side on that. So it' be Yeah. And I boy, I I would be much more excited to have that, you know, 4 day school week conversation as a oh, let's
look at this from a let's how can we make our staff more happy? How can we make the kids more happy versus well, we're looking at it from a financial standpoint. Um, I don't want to feel forced financially to be like, well, we got to lose a day of school. Um, I would much rather want to look at
it from a different perspective because that the vast majority of schools that went this route, that's why they went that route. um for uh the social emotional aspect and everything like that. Um but the vast majority of them went because
did they make it more financial? It was financial and they saw the they saw the social emotional piece those those scores like didn't they those kind of scores skyrocketed didn't they that aspect of it the social emotional like
that's where we're that was the that was the unseen benefit. Mhm. So, so we take it as an action to I mean it's not on this list. Are we going to take as an action or what do we want to do for moving it? Are we going to have
another review with it? Try to get some more data. I think it's an interesting concept but it's not on this list which I think is if if we're going to socialize something to the community uh you know do we feeling we want to put it on here or we feeling we need to get some more information on it. So here's if you guys need some
structure I guess to this conversation. Uh you can do whatever you want to with this list. It came as a recommendation from finance. So I think there's some weight behind that. Uh you could add 4 day a week to this take off
$250,000 worth of cuts on here. We would have roughly a year to prepare for that. We can prepare starting today and depending on how the election goes, we can either continue to prepare or or um to stop
preparing or you know maybe this is something that you want to keep continuing prepare so that we have all the information no matter what. Yeah. Um or could leave the list as is and add it
to because if it fails, no, we're doing this now and it's not going to be a choice because of the the financial pieces of it. So, there's different options I think on this. But if you do add it as a
piece of yeah we're passing this list as is but for FY28 if it fails that'll be on the list and it is going to happen. Yeah. So there's other like I want to discuss
here. Um Reed question for you. Um, I know when we increased our activity fees up to $185 last year, did that put us like the top of the conference pretty much or
close to top? That was the very top. Lard is the only one that's private school with hockey and private school. So, we're now just now we're looking at just going up making her even bigger. Mhm.
Okay. The other one is on um increasing the rentals at the community center. Is is that that's basically just doubling everyone's rent there? I don't know if that's Yes, double double everyone's
long-term contract. Yeah, three contracts. I'd like to make a statement on that just based on the discussion at the finance committee, too. Um that $18,000 is increasing. Um that includes $1,000 a
month added to the senior center rental, which we just, if you remember the last cuts, we just added that $1,000. And that took some discussion. It took some time for them to be willing accept that and adding another. They could potentially say, "No, thank you. We're going to find a
different facility or whatever." And then we would not only not be saving the 18, we would be losing that revenue that we gained from the previous year. Right. Well, that's what I was going to kind of get at is I actually don't I we can probably say all we want on that
the rental space that we get is probably worth that. Now, if we're realistically going to get it, I don't think so. But then I also look at the I look at more of the um uh the two dance entities that we have there. If we are doubling theirs, we were
those are the ones where with the limited amount of space that they take up, I I think they 100% go somewhere else. So I look at this as a negative $36,000. Mhm. Yep. I look at that one as a negative 36. I
also look at the in town transportation. This is where we can talk about those different things. If you if you lose three kids, that changes from a $36,000 going against our cuts to
$60,000 plus dollars. Yeah. And you add both those two things up, now we're close to $100,000. Now we're at 600,000. Yeah. I know you can make that argument for multiple different things here. I I'm just looking at what is,
you know, realistic and uh the one thing that we haven't even touched on at all is the which I think is absolutely huge, but the community will never see this is the in energy piece taking $150,000 away from the facilities. Yeah.
We just did that bond. Mhm. Uh that reduced our LTFM dollars to Josh, are we looking at $300,000 roughly per year till 2032? Correct. $300,000 a year to maintain all of our
buildings and we're taking $150,000 away from that. That's that's ludicrous. Yeah. Yeah. all. I mean, we're just setting ourselves up for failures for need not not just needing uh a levy to
pass. We we need another bond. You know, one thing in facilities that was that was talked about was where there was there's two teachers in that were at that meeting and the question was asked, "How do you how do you make a
4 day week or 4 day week work?" and and both of them said we have no idea how we we're barely doing it now and we're going to have 30 more minutes to get get everything done. And uh the good news is admin and teachers are as resilient as anybody. They always we get
handed things all the time and they figure out a way to make it work. But the difference is is it working for the students, right? So we'll make it work for a schedule, but is it working for the students and prepping them for their future? Um, I
don't think anybody knows that. So, but the benefit is you you save some teachers and potentially Well, yeah, potentially on how you want to Yeah. how how you want to restructure it. Um
I think like you guys talked about this is this the reason the rationale um behind the list is to be very very transparent um in the potential um this like you guys have pointed out a few times here now it this list is a list
that makes our school look unfavorable when we start doing things like this. This makes our school look unfavorable. This makes us look like a school um that you would not want to put your kids in, that you would not move your family to to be 100% realistic.
Who wants to have to deal with getting their kid to and from school all the time when they literally live in town, right? Like dealing with transportation or not even getting FID every single day at a bare minimum. um potentially having facility issues that
we can't afford to fix and our building looks awful because we can't afford to fix it. Like it just it's it's a it's a it's a list that just doesn't just doesn't make us look good. And but that's but that's the reality I
think that we're living in right now financially. Mr. Strauss is since uh is there any way I kind of pick your brain on have you put any thought in that 4 day week on how do you think that
you think that would go pros cons? In terms of curriculum, which has been brought up, I think that depending on what teacher and what grade you talk to, they would say it would help in some ways, maybe hurt in other ways. Um, for
example, I mean, we still would potentially have to figure this out, but if you add an hour to a day, that's different than adding 30 minutes to a day. If you add 45 minutes, that's different. Um cuz one thing that's getting hit right now because of the read act um is we've been reducing
social studies and science which I know Jeff and I hate to hear being social studies teachers and I know Heather hates to hear that behind me. She's probably daggering at me right now. Um but uh that's one of the things just because you know social studies doesn't get tested and science is kind of the third one of the reading math and
science that does get tested. Um, with us implementing new curriculum with Amplify, uh, K1 and two are supposed to try to get in 120 minutes a day of reading instruction, two 60-minute chunks. I can tell you right now, we're not doing that. But I can also tell you, talking to principles and instructional coaches and teachers from other schools
that have been doing this for a few years, they're not either, but they're still covering everything. So, a year from now, we will know a lot more on how much time we have. We are all hoping and every like I said the feedback that I've gotten is that if we kept our schedule the way it is
right now, we would be able to build in more time for social studies and science. Um if you added 40 minutes to a day, you would be able to get in that much more. Um and it kind of depends on what grade level you're looking at cuz
like I said, K through2 has the two two different components they're supposed to teach for 120 minutes total. Third grade has 120 minutes just total, not two different components, just total. Four and five have 90 minutes total for reading instruction. Um that
you know the K through two, there's one of those components that ends a few weeks earlier. So like in first grade, I know for example, they'll be able to get one of those components in. They'll be done by like midMay. The other one, as of now, they'll be a week short, but they're hoping with having those couple weeks at the end that they'll still be
able to get it all in. So, uh, they're essentially diving into curriculum starting this week. So, I mean, even in a month, we're going to know a lot more as far as the timing of things and how quickly they can get through things. If everything that says it takes 15 minutes really only takes 11, well, that's a lot of time that you get back, you know, but we just don't know that right now
because we literally, this is our first day essentially that some of those teachers will be starting this new curriculum. Um, so it could potentially add some of those things like social study and science back in. Um Jeff, you made it sound like the people that you reached out to, you said the t test scores kind of remained flat. You didn't see a big increase or decrease.
Yeah, there wasn't I don't even know if there's enough data per se on it, but from what the superintendent that I talked to that the test scores there wasn't any change either way. Mhm. So I they said flat. Yep. Would be a good term. Yep. Um,
so it's just one of those things where I think right now I could survey my staff and I bet I would get based on just the anecdotal conversations I've had with staff. I'd probably get more than half that would be willing to be in favor of
it and try it. Um, but that there's still I think a fair amount that wouldn't. But like or you mentioned everybody's resilient. I don't know if that's good or bad, but they'll do it. We got great great staff in both buildings. I mean that would make it work and would do as best they
can. Um, I know I just talked for a while and gave you no answer, but Well, can can you and Zar again, this is just this is just going to be an opinion, but when we talk about these first or second graders, do you think they
does does a child get better at education if there's 22 in a class and for 4 days with a little bit longer time compared to 27 in 5 days? the younger you go, the easier it is or the bigger the difference it is. Um I know my fifth
grade teachers don't want 30 kids in a class, but it's much easier for them to handle 30 than it is for a first grade teacher to handle 25. Um and that's where we're teaching a lot of our basic foundational things just like the sounds, the phonms, things like that in reading. Um, so yes, in kindergarten,
first and second grade, yes, I would say going from 19 or 20 students, which is what first grade would roughly be at, um, to excuse me, it would be 1819 compared to 24 25. Um, that's a big difference. So you you you think having less kids
for 4 days would be more beneficial to them than a bigger class for five? I think potentially. I I think 25 first graders is a lot. It's a lot. 26 second graders is a lot. Um 25 first graders really is even more.
You know, when you're talking they're one year younger. Um I think it has the potential to. I think it's one of those things where figuring it out. It just like anything the first year, months, whatever that we do, we would have to figure out how does it all fit in? Where
do we get this time back? How much more progress can we make? you know, fifth grade, for example, they've already talked about if they need to cut out one unit of theirs for Amplify, which we've talked about which unit are we going to cut out? We're trying to look at standards and things like that. So, um
it it has the potential to um but it all depends and we would have to commit to it and we would have to make sure, hey, as teachers, we're not just using this extra time. It's not just extra time that we have and then we get a day off. You know, they're going to need to work. And how about um keeping those kiddos
focused? You know, adding another half hour in the day or 45 minutes in the day, you know, when you're talking 120 minutes of reading and stuff. And you know, is it hard to keep them focused to get it all in? Um I don't think if we went if it was 45
minutes, let's say, I is it more difficult? Yes. I mean, keeping all of us focused for 45 extra minutes a day would be difficult, too. Um, but I think, you know, when you think about how some of our grade levels have to try to get some of these things in have cut down their snack time, they're combining
like read aloud and snack time and they're getting pulled from something all at the same time. Um, that's I don't know. You can kind of go back and forth, I guess, on which way to do that. Well, there's different options that we
have here to do. Um, we can go uh with a recommendation of the finance department uh committee. We can make changes uh or we can table this for a few days.
Um we have options so everyone's aware of that. Yeah. You don't need to to your point when you talk about options. I think uh Mr. Clinton made a point in finance committee that we've got a $1,000 line item on here. Right. So there's there
could potentially be other areas where you know if we're looking at $1,000 where it comes from where we get you know I in finance I mentioned you know what would a staggered start time look like would you know if you the elementary starts at or if the high
school middle school high school starts at 9:00 elementary at 8 and you have potentially less buses you know so the they come in drop off middle school high school go back out go get elementary kids and bring them back. How does that look like when you got mixed families? You know, like where do they
go? What does that look like? I think Josh mentioned if you don't sell or if you sell a bus, you're not getting a ton in return for that maybe. But could you push off a bus and then we're out of our rotation. You know, it just didn't seem like it was going to be a huge cost savings, but
if it's looks to me like $1,000 or more, it should be considered, right? So, um, yeah, yeah. Are there other So, to that point, are there other assets that we have, unused equipment? Are there things? I'm sure this has been looked at from the
previous cuts we have or I wanted to ask one question, unused assets that we have that we might think we use, but in reality, it's something that's nice to have that could we offload? Could we sell those? Right. Is there something to your point, Luke, is if we're looking at a,000 bucks, what is what do equipment
assets get us? Um, and then two from the CCC, right? We're generating revenue of that. Is that can we move that here to the school? If we were to sell that building, generate revenue off that, move all those activities to our district or these buildings. I know we own that building. We pay to maintain
it. What does selling that look like? Selling it to city. The community wants a a general community center. And I don't know if we need to be that community center. Not saying that we are, but we sell that and we move everything into liability.
As far as um assets, the buses, some of the buses that we have now, you're not going to get very much. And what we mean by very much if we would sell them, if we sold our oldest ones that are about ready to go out, maybe a thousand or two,
a thousand on trade in on buy new buses, right? Just so that you guys have that information. And then as far as selling the CCC, uh it can go one of three ways, I guess. Uh one, you can sit on it for a while
and you still have to heat it, uh run air through it, because if not, then you have a mold issue. Uh two, you can sell it privately, meaning that you can put it out on the open market, and if there's a company that wants to buy it, you might get $150, $200,000
out of it. Um or if you don't want to deal with the capital cost with all that capital cost avoidance, you could turn it over to the city for a dollar if they're willing to take that off, right? You know, the city isn't going to buy it for $200,000. I
don't I just don't see that happening. Um but a private firm might buy it for $150, $200,000. I have no idea where that but that is one time cost recovery. And so that's just a one year of filling it
in. It's not an ongoing. So if you let's say you sell it for $200,000, you're not going to keep that $200,000 year over year. Understood that. But then we have the operational cost that we have. Our facilities group has to over there maintain it. We have we have to we pay for the what your example you know the
heat and the cooling does that I don't know what that number is. Oh so you know is that number 5,000 is it operations? So the reason why I don't have the sale of the CC or sorry the the uh close down of it uh just the operational cost not talking about
maintenance or HIC units real operations about $30,000 a year is what we look at. Um you combine that with the rent that we receive uh closing the CCC only and that's about 1012,000 to close it but we still have to we're still on the hook for maintaining that building. Uh to
your point when you say unused assets really that would be the only thing if somebody were to say that's a natural or bonus item would be the CCC. I don't know what kind of price you get if you you sold it and I know that you'd lose a lot of uh flexibility the district has in terms of uh space issue space needs.
Mhm. Um we've gone and thought it before. We didn't have field houses in the past and we had practices done, but uh it would be something that you're be definite change in the district community for sure. Yeah. And does does that offset having
you know the loss of a teacher or by a teacher, right? That that's trying to get that point to it. You really want to look at it because as Jeff says, that's a one-year item. Um but the CC be gone forever. You're not going to get it back. put another bond for 20 plus
million to make the building. So, and that's where if you kind of go if you look at it kind of businesswise, which unfortunately that's what we have to look at it. If say we could sell it for $200,000 and
with what the space and what that building offers, uh, if we ever wanted to try to get that space back somewhere else here, yeah, we don't what would that cost us? I mean to build something like that millions of dollars. And so that's why
when you look at a potential of just a savings of $10,000 a year. Mhm. It's it's a it's a tough one. Yeah. Yeah. It's a much easier conversation for me if it's if it's not being used, but it's used a lot,
especially in the winter time, you know. So I do think, you know, I've been saying it for a long time now. I do think we need to use our facilities more. for me if I created a way is to, you know, if it's open gym and pass the hat and literally, you know, make a donation or whatever, whatever it looks
like or it's rented out, you know, it's the only other wood floor we have in the district, right, for basketball purposes. And it's was not it's not that old, right? It was redone not that long ago. It's nice. It should be used. We need to find ways
to bring in revenue with it. Oh, one more thing on the 4 day week. Um, superintendents that I talked to that have implemented it said that yes, you may lose some students also, but you also may gain
students out of it. Um, and it's probably more a game than anything because it fits some families better uh to be in a four period pay. Uh, obviously we can't make that assumption here because we're a different district. Um, they also said that they use it as a
recruitment tool for staff as well. I'll just say like where my head is at with this just so and maybe it'll lead to further better discussion. Um, I really like the idea of the 4-day school week. I think it is, um, when we're in
this situation, right, when we're when we're up against the wall, I I I like the idea of it. I think we should explore it starting today. I just don't know if I'm comfortable doing it, turning and burning this quickly and putting that on our admin and teachers and parents because, yeah, the families are here. this is
going to be you know all this is hard to swallow for everybody in the community but that one is a is a big one and uh I get that but at the same time it we are giving them a year so that's where I don't know if any other districts that's been implement I
mean I don't know that's what I get what you're saying but like I'm are we giving two years in like you know a year and a half like what what is well I think so we are giving given a year, but we're giving a year starting today with no information as far as how
we execute it, right? You know, if it was a laid out plan here, here's what it is and here's how it works. I'd feel a lot better about that cuz we're going to get questions probably after this meeting of what's going on and I can't give them an answer
like and no one can. And I think that that's the hard part for me. I really think it's when it if that's the savings and we feel good about that number, it's the next thing. It's coming, right? Like we especially if we're not if this does not pass, this is going to be correct
coming. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, cuz and we we did talk about as finance. If it doesn't if the levy doesn't pass, we're looking at the same number again, year after year. Yep. And so it's here whether we want it
or not. And if that's the So the the the only thing that I would the only thing that I would say the difference is is and maybe Josh correct me if I'm wrong with my numbers wise is
if you go to that 4 day now for 27 our class sizes will guaranteed to lower okay right away with what the savings is. If you wait another additional year and we have to come with another $700,000
worth of cuts the following year, now we're dropping down to a 4 day, but yet we're keeping the class sizes higher. Potentially. Potentially cuz you're So now you're reducing that day, but now
the class sizes are higher again, too. Yeah. You could have 26 in a classroom and a 40. Yeah. And because that's that's the thing about where we're just the sooner you possibly implement something to save money, the more it
affects everything down the road compared to maxing out every single year. I mean, that's what we've been doing the last few years is we're we're using as much money as we possibly can every single year. Whereas, you know, if we would have made some of these drastic
cuts like 3 years ago, we'd have more money to work with now or less cuts. But, of course, we're always trying to provide the the best experiences, the best education possible to everyone. And so, that's why you continue to always
max it out. So that's why the next step is just if we don't if we don't try to save some more right now, now we're now we're forced to do it the next time, but we're our educational experience is just even that much more worse.
That's what makes it a real struggle. And that's what Yeah, I I get this is a real eye openener. This is a shocker. Uh and and everyone's got to remember whatever decision we make is going to be the wrong one to a lot of people. Mhm. You got to you so that's why you got to
you got to get that out of your head. You're going to make the wrong decision. And I I would concur with that statement. Um no matter what we do, there is inherent risk that people will leave the district. Yeah. that that's we're at that point
right now unfortunately where we we're going to be getting into programming very soon and it's probably after this because I the cutting more staff just can't happen. It just really can't. Yeah. And that that's to Jeff to my point earlier that's exactly what I'm
getting at is the concern this the top three line items. I'm sick of cutting teachers. Yeah. I mean this is I I'm agree with you. What maybe I did I wasn't at the finance meeting. Was it discussed? Is there ad there's two admin roles on here custodial and secretary right and the aid. So are there other buckets that we
could be missing right that we have a $1,000 line item on here from a roles and responsibilities. Are there areas that from an admin level we should be taking another hard look at from a from a broader stroke of the requirements of what one examp
piece of it but this is the the top three really does not sit well with anyone in this room and I don't there's no there's one admin restructure on here I think that so to your question it wasn't discussed at finance as far as
adding roles to admin and and so it wasn't I just don't know how you get to $60,000 doing that, you know, like how you how you take on a role and how that number cuz it's got to equal that, right? I agree. But if we haven't looked at, how do we not how do we know?
The only one thing I will just answer to that is and this was before you were here. I I would say if you go back good morning and things were a little bit different but uh we already have a lot of combined roles.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Happy homecoming week. Have a great week everyone. There we got that in twice today. I
think I think we're covered. Just just getting back to you. I that's where I'm just saying we already have a lot of people in in dual roles and some case triple rolls and uh and now that's comparing to how
things were back then. Uh yeah, that's what I just wanted to make make it clear that a lot of things have been combined. Yeah, we could we could certainly add more roles to admin, but something has to give from a standpoint. And it could be supervision. It could be dealing with
kids. And it could be a multitude of Yep. I I I think we all are saying, you know, it's it's worthwhile to look at. Absolutely. We don't have the answer. We didn't do it at the finance committee. And that's not You guys had a lot going on, but I would prefer to go that say, "Hey, we did exhaust it. Here's everything we mapped out. We have these three people
covering food service, transportation, X, Y, and Z. So, we have some better information versus, yeah, we know everyone's doing it, but we don't have it documented. And what if there's another 50 grand in there that we can uncover, right? I I don't know. We don't we have Don't get me wrong, pretty soon we're all going to be alternating one hour.
Yeah, seriously. I mean, that that's Yeah, probably going to be there. But I again where I think someone brought up like where do we go from here is I think there has to be another further discussion around the admin restructuring roles and responsibilities. If we're scratching at $1,000, there's
going to be money there that we have to uncover somewhere at the admin level. But to your point, we got to get the ball rolling on something here. We're coming. You know, one one thing that was also brought up in the finance committee was
it surrounding the 4day week was do we want do we want that discussion going into the levy vote, right? Do we want people voting based on that? Right? So, if you want a 4-day work week or 4 day school week, you vote no to the levy
because that's potentially what we're going to do here. Now, I would say we're looking at that anyway, like it's going to be down the road here, but if someone goes into that booth and is, you know, adamantly against it or or wants it and they vote no,
they vote no to the and that becomes sways their vote the bigger issue. Now, does that happen? I don't know. It can be seen as muddying the water. I think I um it's a big change. These are big changes. Don't get me wrong. I don't like seeing teachers ever on this on
this list, but I would also argue the fact that yes, it muddies the water. How do we know that if we approve a 4-day week, our le our levy didn't pass. If we approve a 4-day week, that's likely because our levy didn't pass. Then we're
looking at fiscal year 28 doing more cuts because we said this is like an annual thing. If that levy doesn't pass because inflation, then are we looking at cutting teachers, you know? So it's which way do you want to look at it? Um
it's a sticky thing. It's a sticky slope. And you know, I still think the 4 day week should be looked at just for potential savings and if it benefits the kids down the long
run. It might not, but it could because we don't have enough data, not knowing, you know, with seven districts in our state that have it, how are they fairing? Yeah. You know, it's so new that
some of them have since 2011. Oh, wow. Yeah. This will be their graduating class this year. That's what they already have their first full rotation through. Yep. Uh we don't have feedback or anything yet on No, we do. They they they survey.
Okay. And 85 to 90% of their staff and community say, "Don't take it away from us. We love it." and their their scores have remained flat. I guess what I was pointing at that that regardless if the levy passes or doesn't
pass, it still can be on the table. We can still continue to look at it. Absolutely. I would hope that conversation starts this meeting, right? Yeah. whatever it takes to if if we well obviously if we put it on here if we don't I think it should still be
and that's how the finance committee felt right if yeah I mean this is the this is the recommendation of the finance committee I guess but I think that that 4 day week discussion needs to still happen I think that needs to be um something that we
all dive into all look look into whether it's um test scores or how it's affected those other schools in the district or polling the community and just getting out there and asking you know what are your thoughts on this and you know at the recent this is this is the
discussion at the recent board meeting how do you feel about this? I guess I was surprised just with a couple teachers that we've now heard from as this is starting to come out that disagreed with it and so that was eye opening for me. I thought at first I
was like, "Wow, that's this is a great idea." Yes, for um social emotional our teachers are, you know, they're overworked. Yes. You know, some argue that they have summers off, but they also work excessive hours in the school year. And so giving them one day without
instruction would be beneficial, but then hearing that they feel like they would be overworked. You know, maybe it would be something that would be more taxing on teachers. You know, it just again, we just don't have enough information. And so I think yeah, this is what was recommended from the finance
committee and so but I think that we start researching the 4 day week starting today as another option for our school. I just wanted to put out there just a couple numbers there. Again, this is just what I came up with uh just to show
what I potentially if if we decided to go with the 4 day week, what it could look at saving on this uh sheet. And what I looked at doing was I don't think we could save all three positions, but you could save two of the teaching
positions. So, uh, and then also, uh, so there isund a little over $120,000. Uh, I also look at the the transportation, uh, piece here of the increase of
$30,000. I look at wiping that out is what we talked about before, the potential of losing just one or two kids because of that and or you don't get the people to pay. Uh, so I that's where I just think that, you know, that's not
going to be a that I mean there's a lot of different numbers in here that are a shot in the dark. I just feel like that's a huge shot in the dark. So that's where I would look at taking that away and then I would look at the increasing the rentals at the community
center just because I what we talked about earlier, I I look at that as a $36,000 reduction. Mhm. Uh I I think of the chances of getting all parties to agree to pay double are slim to none.
Uh and and so that's where I would look at removing that. And then um there again talking about the facilities piece earlier. I would look at cutting that in in energy piece in half down to $75,000. And when when you add all that up, that's $245,000.
If we wanted to estimate on roughly uh $250,000 savings, that's kind of where that's that's what I come up with. So really, you're saying this is a list plus a 4 day week of $250,000
gets us to 702 roughly on that potentially. That's just what that's the way I look at it. I I would I I would or you Mhm. Everyone here has equal say, right?
So, everyone can look at everything differently. Uh Luke and I are both on facilities, so I think we you know, we understand how uh restraint we're are we are for till 2032, which there again you you look at
that from a teacher standpoint, too. like what we we need money in first grade, second grade, but we look at we're reducing 5% of uh their supply budget that their budget's been reduced how many times that they don't even have a damn budget. I know. And so like you're taking 5% away of
nothing. And uh uh so that's where you can you can look at those numbers all different way. I just look at we have $300,000 to work with with LTFM dollars till 2032 on on our facilities that we have here. That is a drop in the bucket. And like
even taking $75,000 away from that is stupid. Yeah. Our our live streaming stuff. Um on here obviously it talks about, you know, charging for it. How much how much does it cost for us to just have it at all?
Well, that's all part of a whole huddle package. Huddle package. How much does that cost? 175. 175. 175. And some of that come out of the coach's funds too or no that's something that the school takes care of the whole
thing court facility. I mean sorry last year of the contract so we could look at asking coaches what programs are it's not fair. No they got cut last year last year for this year. It's coming out of fundrais.
Okay. Okay. Just a question just come back. Can I'm sorry. Sorry. Even if we don't if we stop live streaming, we would still have the equipment because coaches would still be using it. Okay. So, there's that. Yeah. Just going back to Clinton's point here
because I I agree with him. Some of this stuff is certainly not going to come to fruition here as far as the numbers go. So, if we add in the 4 day work week and now we're at 9 plus or 9 and a half 950
because I know like how do we how do we put that on a list? We told them, you know, do we totally take out um the energy? No, do we leave it 150? We take out the chunk of that and just mix and match with the two or can we
the the board can do whatever it wants today. You know, the the finance committee brought this as a recommendation. The board can tweak the recommendation to what the finance committee brought. So, if you put in the $250,000
to keep it around that $700,000 number that you guys put in there, you can take away $250,000 off the list. So, if you wanted to half the inventory, so it's 75 out of 250.
The CCC is 18, the busing is 29, and you know, add your way up to 250. and then remove those items off that was if that makes sense. If we approve this, are we bound by this recommendation?
I think it would be I mean you guys can do whatever you want. We can I'm just saying if we when the school year goes on and we find that there's more kids that come in so that affects Yeah. We had conversation earlier and I think it's rational to do like we did
because we made cuts last year and we added back in a teacher because fourth grade got Yeah, really, right. Yeah. I just if we if we prove their recommendations, are we bound by this? I I think you always have to be flexible from a standpoint, but if you have no
really good justification, I don't think you add any of them. Yeah. Back. You know, to that point, it's okay, we got three teachers on here and we add one back in, that's not a negative. If we're going to take, if we go and say we're going to approve this, oh, by the way, we take another one back. Great. That's a win. Yeah. I I
would say if I think what you're getting at too is joy is this isn't hardline correct law right this is saying these are the potential to get to the 700 we go to the 250 do we even know that my concern is is that 250 I think that's a good estimate but should we pause this and
say maybe it's 300,000 or maybe it's actually only 150 right I I don't do we have that's where I think using that 250 number we're we're going off of data off of the very very low side. Okay. So that's why we're using that as a
conservative number that we know that we can reach. Yep. There could potentially be more. We don't know until we get into it. So you never you never want to plan. No, I know 250 is confident. I got I guess I got the guess that it was kind of a shot in the dark of
No, 250 is a conf is a confident number. It's a it's a national national uh percentage from the data that national schools use and Minnesota schools. Every school I've talked to in Minnesota that have used this that 2 to 3% of your expenditure budget is what they've been
seeing. Okay. All right. That's right. For some I guess I got the impression it was that number was in shot. That's where we just we just wanted to use a number that's for surely would be achievable. Yeah. And be conservative. But I think Jody, I think I think you're
correct in saying that if if we approve this then for the public and for transparency of saying yes, this is potentially what's going to happen. Well, and then I see that the finance committee put a lot of time and effort into this and so I don't want Well, I'm 100% that's that's where I have a I I have an extremely tough time
with that. I want to their their recommendation is is is definitely taken uh well and well warranted and Mhm. Uh so I that's where
no matter what these are very tough decisions to make. Um and like I stated before you're not going to make a decision that appeals or appeases everyone. I I uh I think it should be on this list
in some fashion before a week savings. And I don't know what it looks like. I don't know if that is just a thing that says little asterct. Yeah. Or because Clint's right, the energy thing for facilities is crazy. Yeah.
I'm really concerned about the 30,000 in in in town transportation. Obviously the teachers. Um so my question is can we star those items? This list is this list at at the
bottom we put um 4 day week and then we say 4 day week upon research um with removing these those items that Clinton discussed and then that leaves us an opportunity to research but it's a very
likely that that is a line item instead of these things that we think are not. So essentially approving $950,000 worth of cuts or something right away. Well, not necessarily. I would say a
replacement. So it's one or the other upon research of a 40 week. These potentially these items would be removed. Is that so? Because I'll be the one that's going to have to put this together. I get and I understand the need to put a
list out and have transparency on what it is, but we know we're going to have to reduce $700,000. We may not know exactly, especially, you know, finance committee Friday and today with discussion how to get there. Do you say we need to reduce $700,000 and we'll be looking at increased class
sizes, increased fees, uh potentially a 4day school week? Y to get to that $700,000. It doesn't give maybe the itemized list that you're right, right? But it gives you some time maybe to discuss how things get to
I like that idea. Um I don't I'm just one person but um just then it doesn't hold us to this list and it doesn't hold us to the 4 day week because again I mean within a one hour discussion it's hard to make that decision on you know how would you like that to communicate
because I I will be the one standing in the front. I think I think so the point of doing this early and before was that we hadn't done in the past and we haven't had a detailed list. So we we decided as a board that we we felt we needed this. Now it's
become complicated with some unknowns here. But um that's what we voted to do already is to have a detailed list. Now if that's too muddy then I I understand that too. But well if someone asked how you going to get to 700,000 we can point to this.
Okay. We're not saying these are the hard line. This is absolutely going to happen tomorrow, right? This is how we get there. Could you say this list is for sure and
uh it's either going to be so this list here is quick cast man $450,000 not and then the other 250 is either going to be the 4 day week or it's going to be these items these four items here or whatever it's
teachers you know essentially depending on further information depending on further information. Yeah, he might get muddied. Yeah, quite a bit. I think people will take the vote as what am I voting for? Am I voting for a 4 day week or am I voting for a referendum?
Well, and that's what that's what would be my concern. Um I don't want people going into that vote thinking, well, if I vote no, then I get a 4 day week. That I'm starting to like that idea. Um just because that takes away the that takes
away the vote from the person that you're scared about that's going to vote no just because y of the 4 day week when that's not a guarant that that they're for that. Uh so that takes that away possible. I know we want a a structured list but
maybe we can't give that right now. So in a in a simpler way, couldn't we just do add the 250 in a 950 and from this 950 we got to get 700? Yep. Yep. So it's included in this. All these things are all these things are there and we got to
decide based on what we figure out through this. Mhm. Between now and soon what that five or 48 school and so 950 is the number through that list. We got 700 And then it's just to me that's much more clear
than asterisk and pie charts and this is the list that is for sure and this is the maybe and this is the possibly and yeah and it's just the board will decide from this list 700,000 right here's 950 and
and we will decide this in January February time frame. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Does that seem something reasonable? Yeah, you can figure it out because really we're just well just
really we're adding one we're just adding one line item. It's just that that line item that happens to be a large dollar amount and a and a big shift for and a big change in the that's what lifestyle change on a sheet of paper it's the line item
right the dollars are there and then behind it is the the weight of so in a sense you're going to pass this list plus the 250 for the 48 week and say these are the items that we are going to choose from down to 700,000 y
because And and again when last time we went through this we approved 500,000 and that quickly jumped to 800,000 we cut. Correct. And correct. So we might be and that was based on what St. Paul passed to us and hopefully nothing like that happens. But
you just don't know either. So, I think it would really I think it it's been said a couple times, but I think it would really benefit us to get our ducks in a row and get quite a bit more information on the 4-day school week because like you said, I think we're going to run into a lot of questions. I think there's going to be a lot of
confusion when people when the day comes and they have to vote yes or no. I think this 4day school week, I think that's going to sway some votes. Yep. And I I I think there's a chance that it could sway more votes than what we think. And so I think we really need to have a lot of information that gets out
and gets people aware on how we think and how we feel this potentially could function for us. A lot of people vote absentee. Mhm. That begins on September 19th. Yeah. Tim, I know you had to jump out um and
you you know we're obviously down to the bone here, but do you have any input on a 4 day week or anything on here or 4 day So, I kind of as a teacher when I was in Farmington, I kind of dealt with something like a 4-day week. It wasn't exactly that, but it was we extended the
day instead of adding days to the end of a contract year when we were over snow days. Um, we ended up adding like five minutes per class period. You know, actually, it wasn't even that.
it was 5 minutes to the day for 30 days to make up the minutes for the day that we were over or whatever. So, um I you know I can't speak with any certainty with how this would impact achievement or anything like that um because
honestly I think teachers do a really good job of adjusting as they go. So, you know, when we went to during CO when we were doing a block schedule, I know that teachers um didn't get to some curriculum that they had before, but my
guess is had we continued doing that schedule um they would have adjusted, been able to adjust. The first year is always going to be the hard one. Um, you know, for me it it was important. We actually increased our general supplies
and our instructional supply budgets last year by 10%. Um, and that was an important addition to the budget for me because we had not increased that since I've been here. So, it' been 15 years since we've done anything. And as you guys all know, 15 years of
inflation, you know, eats it at that. So to me that that cut is a tough one because that impacts every teacher and what they can do and even with the 10% increase we were finding that we're still kind of short in some of the areas. So, um,
if we were to choose that small little piece, I'm going to actually look at that not as across the board cut, but I'm going to be more targeted to some specific areas because like science spends a lot of money, but there are things cost a lot of money and we can't really go less than what they have in
their budget right now. Um, the secretary restructure is going to be a really hard one. I I don't know. I I don't know. But I also don't want to, you know, the elementary takes a huge three FTE hit
with this list, too. Like Jeff said at the finance committee meeting on Friday, um what I have left to cut as far as teaching FTE is going to impact programming. So, it's going to be need to be a decision of what
elective kind of content area we no longer can offer. Uh because I've got one business teacher, uh I've got one shop teacher, one egg teacher, I've got a one point,
two or three, maybe 1.4 art um with Zim doing construction. So there's there are some hard decisions that would need to be make made if we were making more FTE reductions. I I was the one who suggested cutting back
six assignments in my building last year. And what I found out was when it came time to build the schedule, I couldn't do most of those that I had hoped to be able to do just because kids have to go somewhere. They have to be in a class. So,
um, another option to look at, but it's going to require some negotiations with teachers, is maybe looking at how we can do the middle school, high school schedule across the board. But the way
the contract is written right now with percentages for uh prep time and percentage for um supervision and percentages for instructional time, I can't make many changes from what we're doing with our current seventh period
schedule um without violating the teacher contract. So, so six period I you know or sorry the the 4 day school week I'm not really sure from my end of things we figured out and we I think we would be fine um
exactly what it looks like. I think there are more things operationally for the whole district that are going to have to be figured out necessarily than what we do with kids every day. So the the 1.0 No adsis teacher that's
solely elementary. No, that was a secondary ad. So, we wrote to to add an ads person. Yep. And um I advertised that uh when I found out that the grant had been
that we got the grant. Um and I got a couple of applicants. Um, but in my mind, I'd rather eliminate that and make that cut when we haven't had those
services than to bring those services in and then maybe have to cut them in the next year. So, it's plus there's a whole lot of figuring out we would have had to have done. There would have been a lot of work put into place to figure out what that was going to look like. So, in my mind, that was a fairly easy
reduction for my building to do that before it's even in place. Yeah. Thanks. And that that's why I asked because if that was elementary that's for FTE the elementary. I know we don't have it today but I think we got to put the 48 school week
on this list and get to 700,000 from the 950ish number. my opinion. [Applause] Is that a motion? I'll make a motion that was even more clear. Um, use this
list plus the 4 day school week at roughly $250,000 a year to that 950ish number. Um, and then we will come back in January or February and narrow it down to 700. Mhm.
Or narrow down to the necessary number we got to get to because we have to have a hard number. Maybe we might have more information around January, February. Um, enrollment count and everything on next for enrollment count for sure. Um, we can never, obviously the legislature
won't be in, but this isn't a big year for the legislature anyway as far as uh funding unless they change something. So, plus the federal government may weigh in on some of the title dollars as well. We might have some information as
well. Closer you get to fiscal 27, the more clear that number becomes. Anyway, you'll have 25 done. We'll be halfway through 26. things we said. We'll clear a motion we get to make a motion. All right, Luke on the motion.
I'll second it. Randy on the second. Any other discussion that we haven't covered in the last hour and a half? You know, I think one thing that we didn't bring up about the 4-day uh school day um is that they're actually
in a lot of schools and a lot of communities, they used that extra day as like um like a lot of schools use it as like an extra activity day. Staff came in on sometimes on some of those days and they did like they used utilized their school forest and did little extra side things if the kids wanted to
participate or you know they they went to like they maybe went on like a field trip. um some of those other schools if by some chance down the road or whatever we got to that point um they used it as just like a really kind of fun extra STEM type learning type day and they utilize that fourth day or that fifth
day and so it's just really cool concept but my understanding is that staff will still be here on the fifth day right yeah we can't change the the staff so but like but we're utilizing other things and they were doing extra side for a lot of the Friday or if it if it is Friday a lot of the Fridays you Um
staff will be here, but we we have to do take a look at the calendar to see what that looks like. Yeah. Um and they use them as intervention days also where you have students, parents have to bring them in obviously for extra help, but we have to make sure that we don't go outside of the contract
for dealing with prep time versus instruction. what that means. Yeah, we did essentially we did that last year um in this building with our special a kids. We had a lot of special kids that came in on those Fridays once a month
and got some extra help um for part of the day. So, all right. Got a motion and a second. All in favor of taking the list the recommendation from the finance committee and adding
uh 4day week to that coming to $950,000 that will be discussed in January or February to re being reduced down to 700,000 say I. I oppose. Motion carries.
I will look for a motion to adjourn. On the motion. I'll second it. Joan on the motion. Jody on the second. All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Thank you for coming out
today.