##VIDEO ID:Y7Snv_wO4u4## e e e e call to order the city of Canon call city council meeting for Tuesday January 21st uh call to order or roll call please Diane Johnson here Zimmerman here Chad Johnson here Json here noach here cronenberger here Montgomery absent we'll stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge Allegiance of the United States of America the for stands na indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay can I get a motion to approve tonight's agenda so moved second yeah all right a motion by Diane a second by Noak all those in favor I All Right Moves us to public input public input is intended to afford the public an opportunity to address concerns to the city council the public input will be no longer than 30 minutes in total length and each speaker will have no more than three minutes to speak speakers May address topics relevant to the governance of the city speakers must sign up in advance and must provide their name address and topic they intend to address comments must be on topic respectful pertinent to City business and adhere to the applicable data privacy rules any speaker that violates these rules will be asked to sit down and if the speaker refuses to comply they may be removed from the meeting speakers shall not address topics that are on the subject of a public hearing all such comments shall be made during the public hearing city council will not generally act on issues raised by the during public input but may choose to schedule consideration of the item on a future agenda um Denise filler here what do I do I just come up and okay well this is the first so be with me sure the cop comes to arrest me already make sure the microphone was on okay um I'm hoping to keep this to five minutes but I I said five but I'll I'll try to do it in three um first instead of wasting more tax money in court I would like to suggest a compromise Number One race cars can get Mufflers to their systems to quiet down the noise number two limit the times in which they drive and the residents have the right to file an abatement on their lowering their tax property due to their uh enjoyment to quiet privacy is compromised the other thing they have the right to file for is for soundproofing windows and doors around that area the other thing I want to talk about is the need to control the fair people why or what have they done so bad that you want control of this I don't understand that um I came here 10 years ago after lots of research out of 11 County areas this had the most to offer affordable homes a nice layout of the city and the most polite well-mannered teenagers that I have ever come in contact with in the 25 years I was a like licensed realter uh now yeah your reals at that time did not work weekends and now you have five to six companies that work in Cannon Falls affordable housing there's not too much there so I was going to suggest I surveyed your land and you have room for 150 tiny homes I don't know if you're familiar with them but um they're affordable and they go for 60 to 125,000 and I'm thinking that for single people or elderly people this would be a really good resolution in helping not only build the community but help the community because for a single person or to young people that would be like a nice step for them to get up to a $400,000 house um and then I had one question left um what does the city plan on doing for food in this area I mean I'm I'm thinking like in 30 years 50 years if there's no gas and there's electric cars have been buried um we need an area that somebody would be facilitating food for this area that's that was my concern that's it quick and simple thank you okay that moves us to the consent agenda consent agenda items may be adopted under one motion as presented or may be removed for discussion and resolution as Council business a just incorrect claims accounting period ending January 16th B meeting minutes for January 7 2025 city council meeting C approve 2025 fire department officers D approve safety training program with safe assure e resolution 2799 accepting a monor monetary donation of $780 from Matt Amor to the public or to the parks department F approv sewer credit for M Davidson G approved sewer credit for R Nolton H resolution 2800 approving a conditional use permit for outdoor sales lot at the Canon Falls mall and item I appoint Melissa Sebert to the library board is there anything that anybody would like to pull down yes ma'am um H conditional use permit for outdoor sales okay so H will become seven or business C okay anything anything else okay with that I'll take a motion to approve the consent agenda minus item H so moved second motion by Jepson second by Chad all in favor hi hi consent agenda is approved uh moving to council business item a responsible governmental unit agreement between the city of Canon Falls and Randolph Township relating to environmental review thank you chair sorry um so we do have representatives from uh I believe kimle horn who's representing tract um as part of this discussion here tonight to be able to answer any questions about what this this process is so uh right now the major development that's that's working is um what called an alternative Urban areawide review AAR and because the area right now is located within the township but there's the intent that an expectation that they will petition and be annexed into the city limits um we have to approve a responsible government unit governmental unit agreement so that um the final Authority will rest within the city of Canon Falls for approving or accepting the the AAR agreement when it's completed so um right now this has been reviewed by our attorney the Township's attorney and the um Engineers uh from those teams uh they find it acceptable there was an um some changes that came out from what went out in the packet on Friday and which we gave you guys tonight um and those will be amended uh for the packet that um most of the the changes just occurred in the schedule at the end the rest of the the terms were were pretty much acceptable so is there any other questions regarding that or Ashley was here to speak if anybody wants to know more about the process what it has land been this is to sell the land to the company that then the company will build or are we selling the land to someone who then will sell the land to someone else to build no the the land currently is was private so there's a there's a purchase agreement on that Land by the company to buy that and then develop it so in the process of what they're trying to develop there's State statutes that require them to uh conduct this AAR assessment over the over the property for for that use so that's what we're approving tonight is that we will the city will become the responsible government unit to approve that review process okay another question if I misspeak Ashley please by all means step step up and um and this study I'm assuming cost money it does so and back in purchaser would be responsible for funding it then yes and then there are consultant costs like attorneys and and Engineers that are are in this review so back in December there was a um an eser agreement that the city approved with track that we are utilizing to fund and pay for the cost of those expenses related to this thank you process and and so when we get the final report will it just be uh you and the city engineer in the township folks that review it or no there's there's a couple there's a process for a comment period in which written comments can be submitted over a 30-day window there will be a public hearing U portion of that so it is there there's definitely a parts of the process that are much more open to uh input from the community as well as other state agencies as well as other interested parties that that um you know want to you know make comments on what's being evaluated so they're they're looking at you know kind of everything and how it could impact based on you know the the what the property is going to be used for so you know what what type of environmental factors it's going to have what the water and wastewater consumption might be um you know different things like that thank you I can just add um hi I'm Ashley Payne from kimley horn so just a little bit more on that um there are track nope I'm I'm from a consulting firm that is working on behalf of track to um prepare the environmental review so the a so a little bit more um John you had the the details correct but there are two public comment periods that all um that are part of this process so given the size of the project that they're proposing it requires the environmental review so that's a so it'll go out for a public comment uh two times the first one is for um the scoping document so essentially is laying at what will be studied in the environmental review and then also for the city to officially order the environmental review to be complete so it's really just setting up the stage of the area to be studied the scenarios that will be studied so the projects or the potential uses that will go on the property and then also um you know what will actually be covered as part of that Environmental review um that goes out for a 30-day public comment period And as John mentioned that goes out to the state agencies um you know the the counties and then also um the public has an opportunity to comment on that and then once um that comment period is complete the final order will come back to the city council for adoption to officially order the preparation of the aoar document that a document will go through the process will go through another 30-day public comment period s out to the same agencies and then once that process is complete it'll come back to um the city council for final adoption so that final adoption is adopting the environmental review and then also the mitigation plan that's required as part of that environmental review document which essentially is saying if the project moves forward this is everything that would need to be completed in order to mitigate any environmental impacts so you'll see this come back a couple of times what's in front of you tonight is just to um approve the city of Canon Falls to be the responsible government unit or the rgu for the environmental review document and I will add additionally that the township is has it on their agenda correct I believe tonight or yep tonight it's going in front of uh the township to approve the um RDU agreement as well I got a quick question so if those mitigation factors aren't really implemented say that um who's at fault like is the city responsible for then or is it the contractor or the owner of the property so it would be in there it would document who is responsible for that uh mitigation and then like a development agreement or something would also lay out what is required okay um for mitigation there could be some items that um through development agreement you know maybe the city is doing versus the developer the developer is paying for or it could be you know there's something else that would be required okay I guess what I'm getting at is if if the developer slips up is the city at faon are we on the hook for something or is it whatever is developing the property um it's similar to the a is similar to an environmental assessment worksheet um an Eis as well it's just an alternate Urban areawide review so essentially it's an e level review but we're looking at multiple scenarios so looking at two different projects that could potentially go on that property okay or properties I guess there's a few there's like five Parcels yeah there are multiple Parcels on there but yep and there is about 40 acre um portion of one parcel that is currently within the city of Canon Falls the rest of it is within the township and I will say like Additionally you touched on the development agreement that will be a really important moment that will come kind of after the environmental process um and that will very much spell out like who's responsible for what because there will be components of the project that the city would be involved in because we will need to bring infrastructure to serve the the site so there'll be part portions of that that the city's responsible for they're you know we can recoup some of that you know recoup probably as much of that cost as we can um because we're bringing that specifically for this project but we want to make sure that you know what is happening on that site what the expectations are the timelines for for everything that those are met through those development agreements so that'll be the the teeth at the end to make sure hey if this isn't met these are the that will come that you know could happen okay perfect if if the environmental report would indicate uh a greater usage of Water Resources then we feel um our area is able to provide uh what happens then so there would need to be alternate mitigation measures identified so if the project were needing more water than what could be supplied by the city or that could be supported um they would need to look at alternate measures and that's something that will be covered in the environmental review and that analysis will be done and same with electric my understanding is if it is being built with the goal ultimately and does track actually sell the land then to a one who will actually build the buildings or do they rent it um I think it's typically a sale okay but for the electric electric isn't covered under an environmental review um like an electric generating facility is all held through the state um Public Utilities Commission process um so that's not something that we would address through this environmental review we'd be looking at more of like land use um water sanitary sewer you know Wetlands um endangered species cultur resources so those are all different categories that are covered including traffic so traffic analysis will be completed as well okay thank you awesome thanks okay so can I get a motion to approve the governmental agreement so moved second uh motion by Diane second by Chris all in favor hi hi motion passes all right Item B endress Canon Falls LLC variance request Zach or yeah so um I can touch on this too and we do have Mark sgard here as the representative for the developer on the application for the variants um we did meet be after the Planning Commission um before you tonight is the resolution from the Planning Commission uh this our process would have been is to you know take that decision from the Planning Commission and bring It Forward um as a recommendation to the council um in conversations with the developer um felt that they would pull the variance application um I do um want to provide Mark some opportunity to answer any additional questions because there were some things that were brought up during the Planning Commission that we didn't have the information for I think he could provide a little more context to to what's going on with that development um and where the request came from um just to you know help the council better understand what's going on um there was additional narrative I believe that was presented as as well um there so if there are any other you know questions about that uh I did also shared in in my update you know some conversations that you know about this uh currently the the nature of the request variance was for to be able to put in gravel driveways because the driveways serving those sites are going to be extremely long um and whether or not the policy side of this is or gravel driveway something that just will not be permitted at all within the city limits or are there circumstances or areas or you know future development that it make sense um I guess in my trying to evaluate this and understand the the situation why you know our dri or pave surfaces for driveways important to the to the city I do believe that you know certainly within the the city proper where there is managed storm sewer um that that having a gravel surface could create issues with getting into the storm sewer and causing problems um where you know we definitely want to have them paved you know those driveways are not going to be um you know longer than like 30 to 50 feet in most regard um where in this instance those driveways are 300 to potentially even 500 feet um so they are serving a a much much different capacity than what most uh driveways within the city are serving I don't really have a problem with gravel but uh there was a guy who was speaking at the public input and he said it's the drainage it all just drains into his ditch because he's surrounded by the other two other three other areas and they just keep draining into his field and so yeah so Mark Mark did have um additional information that um he showed us they do have that planned and mapped out where the this the water is going to shed and and drain to in those areas um I don't know if that's something that yeah would your plan also address the the future that because these it's these four and then it would connect with the other that you guys are planning on talking about building um there there are part of one development but these four are kind of outliers to that and then in between them actually is actually a that at Parkland uh that would Beed to the city the drainage going to go into the park land and yeah okay yeah feel free yeah Mark if you could Zach can I use this okay uh good evening Council my name is Mark sgard um I'm a consultant for the Enders group who is the developer on this property um he's not able to be here this evening um but uh you know for those who aren't familiar um almost two years ago we started working on this piece of property um a little over a year ago we've reive the P plat approval for what you see up on the screen right now um about a year ago we um went with a final plat um for what you see that's not shaded out there's about seven thanks seven Villa lots and then eight um um culac Lots we're calling them so that's what we've did plat last year and in 2024 that's the development um that we did now for to go way back in history this is the old Sandstone Ridge Development so our development work this year included basically taking up the remaining Sandstone streets that had failed over the years and then we rebuilt the street in front of those villa homes and also we rebuilt theora and then we're calling um oh I can't even see it from there oh I got it right here Ridgewood Drive c toac yeah so um so we did do that development work over the over the summer and then late in the fall um the Enders group hired Inspire um out of the Northfield area to go ahead and build one Villa home and then one um brambler home on the cacs those homes were just finished up here late in the year and then they are open now for showings and there also be in the spring preview so um if you do have time we' appreciate you swinging by and taking a look at those homes um so that's basically a quick history uh the estate Lots down the lower right corner and I will get to your answers but I just wanted to follow up so as you can see the the the property that included and this was all city property um for the development and then you can see there's a area that we call city park and that's actually a ravine SLS slope wooded area our plan is to do a Wooded Trail through there which we started working on then we have these this these areas that are disconnected from the development but still in city property I had an exhibit in my narrative on that and then when the county road 24 was built it even bisected it one more time so we kind of struggled a little bit and worked with City staff on what's the best use for those areas and the idea of estate Lots um were um that that's what we proceeded with and through um the preliminary plat process and then also through some ordinance updates um those estate Lots were preliminary plat approved and we did you know we had to do some me changes with your requirements for septics and well because again Water and Sewer is a long ways away from this area so we did all that and then once the preliminary so getting to where we are today um we started working with um marketing these Lots they're P platted but they're not platted yet but we're looking for buyers and um before we even got going with that it was a long conversation with the county on where the driveways need to go um and we went back and forth with them for several months driveways needed to be a certain distance away from the intersection they County really wanted only one driveway to the north one driveway to the South and they want to make sure they um were across from each other and there's a number of different things eventually we work that out and at the driveway permits mainly because we wanted to start marketing it and to get people in to see them so that's why we um rough or graded in those driveways so now we're starting to Market it and then um sever interested buyers are like well these are pretty long driveways we like the ryal FI they're looking around the the other homes in the area that obviously are not part of the city but they're right next door and they're like you know because City requires pavement and we basically were telling future buyers yet these roads would or these driveways need to be paved that's why we're here we had several um possible buyers just questioning what's the need for the driveway to be paved and I'm looking at it and like um yeah driveways in the city off city streets where you got storm sewers and a bunch of um people living close together and it's nice and meet and for storm water management purposes and just keeping an orderly neighborhood it's a good idea to pave your driveways we're out here in a in the more of the rural area you actually have to leave the city and go around and then you get to these Lots so um so it seemed like a reasonable request to run it through um a variance application to see if these couple Lots could have a gravel driveway or variance not to have paveed driveways now looking through your variance requirements you know obviously the biggest issue is it's costly and to tell a buyer well you need to pave it just because that's what the rule says and that's kind of where we are today because um you can pave it there's no reason why you can't it's just you know the question we have is you know why why would why because you you're in a rural area you're not having storm water management you know I I basically drove from City Jordan to Canon falls on my way here and most driveways I saw along the way were gravel and and actually I grew up out in the country just outside town and my driveway was gravel and seems to work so I guess the what um Mr rocken Bacher mentioned is yeah we we don't meet the the requirement for a variance because I can't really show a hardship but I guess what we can discuss or talk about or interested in knowing your thoughts on is there is there something that could be done or create something in your ordinance that would allow for a driveway to be gravel under certain conditions um one of the items that we're just throwing around was say the city needed to Annex something in and but they had to jump over or include a bunch of real acreage Lots would you require those folks to pay their driveway right away and maybe you wouldn't require them to PVE it right away until they went and got a permit and then per your ordinance well you get a deck permit but you need to bring your lot up to code so you need to PVE your driveway to get your deck permit and I may be making stuff up a little bit but I've kind of seen how things like that work especially with septics so I guess my request for you tonight or what I'd like to hear a little discussion or your thoughts on is you know is is it reasonable for the city of Canon Falls which is a rural town to somehow allow gravel driveways in certain situations because maybe someday you will be annexing in some larger lots and is it is it are pave driveways really needed and then I guess in this situation you know i' I'd be happy to hear why um why you thought paved driveways would be needed now I already forgot to answer your question but I will get back to that um so this so this is north north is up Roar I believe spoke at the Planning Commission his his lot or his property is this long skinny one and he mentioned that he is almost surrounded by city so on the West Side he's all City south and then we loop around like that so what these blue lines represent is actually swailes or water drainage so right now water does just flow around the culto saac through this Ravine comes out here and down there there's also a lot of water that comes off the field and then into his area here um so that that's the existing drainage situation um again our estate Lots is over here where there's a rather large um flow of water that comes through here goes underneath the county road through a rather large culac we put a culvert underneath the driveway that flows here and all this water connects and throws flows to a rather large Ravine through this part of the property so that's kind of the general drainage on this plan right here we show the um the again this is the roar property um as we put in the driveway whether it be gravel or pavement all this water flows it's crowned so the water flows left to right left to right left to right till it gets to this point right here and then it flows left to right and then this part of the CAC is tipped up a little bit in the middle so this little bit of the CAC does flow this way out that way and that way so basically the water for the cul toac kind of flows through here this way that way and that way and maybe a little bit's going to flow down this sale and out to that property so it's a long way of saying the driveway really doesn't make a difference in the Roars property um we have met with him several times um and as we develop our next phase again here's the roar property all this water that's been flowing off the field and in and down this Ravine right here is going to get captured by this Pond and then gets rerouted right into this Ravine here So eventually we'll improve his situation thank you but that was actually happened prior to you starting this development correct I mean this has been yeah yeah the we didn't change any of the drainage going into Roar property and then we've got an open dialogue with them too I wish you would have kind of called me before fanstone the one that fanstone Ridge yeah they set that up um pretty much I mean again I we did draw this map that showed these are kind of s lines that kind of pick up drainage areas this water comes around and then if through this Woods right here if you walk in there there's a little creek Ravine and it does an flow out and then back in but this little Ravine that flows through here and here you know if you go back to Historic documents that Ravine went right through here you know historically that water's been flowing through there for a rather long time so yeah again and then we're open to chat with him and stuff but we we've there's a couple little things we've plan to help him out with as we get going and doing some more drainage stuff and he's got a little Ravine or stuff that needs to be that's been washed away we'll be moving Phil in there for him later on once we get that further down and we've worked with him on moving his stuff around he had some stuff a little bit over on the property and we sorted some stuff all right so back to gravel driveways again I didn't mean to get too far off the track but again um I guess you know if you read your ordinance you know variance I don't have the hardship here um but I guess the question I do ask is you know is this something that you should relook at in your um your ordinance to allow for driveway in certain cases again this is we we are unique and these lots are very unique considering they're almost completely separate from the city except for it is continuous but we're going down a ravine or down a hill down a Ravine and then again you can't even get to it off of a a city road um so as you Ponder this is you know I like to hear a good reason why they should be paved and i' I've guessing you would have one Dian okay um I'm assuming that all four homes are planning to have the cement apron off their garages yes well of some sort correct I would almost anticipate again we're custom home building out here and it's rural Lots you go look around everyone has a long driveway they may pave 20 feet in front of their garage just so they have a nice place to park the car correct and so if they're doing that um I mean we didn't let someone else uh another person came with the same kind of request in Paving the driveways and we did not you know they're again out in the country hardly in town um but ultimately the long range plan says it will be surrounded by the city and what we found on other instances when we let things remain gravel when they're ultimately going to have to be paved it's future land owners who sometime who get stuck with that bill most of the time they don't even realize that's an obligation and I don't I don't think we have any ability to look at Realtors and say you know put that in bold print on on the sales contract I don't know if it's buried somewhere if even if there's a way to ensure that they have it but um having also grown up in the country on a gravel road and knowing people and still visiting people out there quite frankly with kind of expensive homes are going to be sitting there uh even driving on that short of gravel road is is going to be Dusty and if one of the two homes says I really would want it paved and the other one says then you pay for it uh you know it doesn't build Goodwill and better friendships but I you know it's an ordinance if we want to go back and revisit that and change the ordinance that's fine but at this point unless we do that mean we've already denied one of these requests I can't imagine where I would be comfortable granting this one I guess I'm I'm just going to kind of back Diane up I I the same thing I mean you admitted there's no hardship here or you can't prove a hardship um I can't imagine you know when I wasn't up here when hardwood Estates went through but I could just imagine those people throwing their hands up and being super upset cuz that was a gravel road and then they had to pay for half of it and unex unexpectedly it's just that doesn't make sense to me to say yes to you guys and no to them um and then Diane also touched on it I mean I think long range City plan is you know we're going to grow further in this area and what happens when the next person comes through and looks for a gravel driveway I mean I'm I we're going to be telling them the same thing I think and if our plan is to grow the city and have more homes there you know hold them to the same standard as everybody else in the city so that's where I sit on it so what's the plan for so right now they're allowed to have um um well there isn't city sewer and water there yet right right' already been granted they've already been granted a variance to allow them to have a well in septic on those property on on all those Parcels that was and then once we did have the infrastructure would they then be required to hook up and that and yeah that we we said once sewer and water becomes available they have to hook up at that point once it you know once there is a City Line out there they don't have an option to wait until they sell I But there again I don't know how that ever gets conveyed and State contracts so when I in researching this too I had a conversation with our city engineer about you know what is the timeline for water and sewer there and unless circumstances change and demand changes that's likely outside of a you know closer to the 20e timeline than it is a 5 to 10 year time time frame just because of where where our Mains go in the nature of uh those County Roads I mean we'd be coming in from a very long ways away to bring in water and sewer so you'd only want to do that when the demand NE necessitated it you know so when you have some density to to provide that sewer so you can recoup some of the you know those costs for bringing that there I don't really have a problem with the gravel and I know that is the developers up there have had nothing but problems from you know sandstone and on 25 there there's like clay and you're not going to be able to really do a lot there basements always flood the fields don't take the water so that's that's a whole another conversation but I could it s here for an hour and explain how we're working on that stuff but yeah it's just I don't see a lot of future development out there in the 5 to 10 year plan um I don't see anyone wanting to jump in on it and so if we've got somebody wants to do it and they just need a gravel driveway like give them a gravel driveway it's a pretty long driveway versus Hardware to States those are really close together this is a long driveway yeah and it's on the outskirts you have to go out of town to get there yeah very specifically just to be clear like we're not talking about the rest of the Timber Ridge Development we're only talking about these estate lots that are in that that far right east corner but just to clarify they're probably going to pave a whole lot of it anyway just because they don't want to eat the dust so or park on it yeah but you know we're talking do we really want to million dollar house I would I mean either I I I mean I would say if we want to revisit the whole thing then look at the ordinance itself and change that but being we wouldn't Grant this variance to the other developer who wanted to or person who wanted to not pave the driveway and we said no you've got to I I find it very hard to not do the same here it's yeah and I add some more clarity Mark and I spoke before the meeting and it is the intention that the variance requests you would be willing to pull the application for that for yeah even not to be considered tonight so you wouldn't have to vote on on it they're they're polling that as a variant there're saying we don't we don't want to move forward with this so that action item is I think moot um it's we're we're trying to gauge I guess for policy discussion um for the council in in the future is there is there a circumstances in which it makes sense that gravel driveways are allowed in certain portions of the city well if part of the reason is because of you know drainage and whatnot why why wouldn't it coincide with whether they're hooked up to City Water and Sewer so if you're not hooked hooked up to City Water and Sewer like those like goes hand in hand when if and when you are hooked up to City Water and Sewer you also have to have a paved driveway I could to me that kind of makes sense that would be a lot in one year cuz they're going to have to pay for their hookups they're going to have to pay for those lines coming through and then to add that on top of it that would be a lot in one year to add on to someone so they not to that one I just have a hard time speculating the appetite here because I think part of the equation is what's our city plan what's our comprehensive plan that hasn't been updated for 20 some years you know um I think that's part of the equation I think right now we have a blueprint for how to do variances and one of those things is proving a hardship they don't have a hardship right now variances exist for hardships and unique super unique scenarios that's our blueprint print right now that's kind of where I'm sitting I don't know what was the planning commission's vote um I wasn't there but it was ity it unanimous to okay and they're pulling it so we're not even discussing that I think the only thing they're asking is is there any room in the future that where that does make sense that we do allow is there any exception that we would allow I agree I wouldn't want to be the guy who has to hook up to city sewer and water and pave a 500 foot driveway all in the same time but if they wanted to I mean I could all I'm saying is that I could see that making sense that that would be a scenario where I would think that would be acceptable but again that would be changing our ordinance right yes yeah and I and I there again having been raised on the gravel road it's it's not just and I certainly agree with Lisa in terms of the cost but gravel roads are nasty when you drive a car down I mean that dust coats everything in sight unless you treat it with a chloride or whatever this is a gravel driveway so you don't have people driving by you it's just you coming in and out but but I I've driven my road down gravel ding ways and by the time you're done your car is covered with gravel right so I guess the question is is that make sense to make that a requirement for that extra comfort of being on a paved surface that's kind of what the point I wanted to meet yeah and your question I think it's a good point to ask John who reviews this or looks at the ordinance and decides whether we're being too picky or not picky enough or that would be policy of the council yeah it's that's that's the council and and they're they're comes times where ordinances are drafted developed they can evolve uh you know and that's I guess the point of this discussion tonight was is there appetite to even look at this or is it just no let's stick with what we have this is the direction that we you know this is the ordinance that was passed it's working for us it's going to you you as a council feel it's going to continue to work for you you know and we won't even worry about bringing it back or if there's okay I do see some possibility for discussing this and finding a way to to have that conversation and develop that policy we you know we can work on bringing that back to the council at a you know for further discussion so I mean I would again we officially will pull it but I would appreciate if you I don't know if you have workshops or Council work shops if it would be a topic for that we don't need to decide obviously tonight but yeah and I think in other process to here since we do have Planning Commission like to have them review an ordinance change like this in advance and provide those recommendations as well so there you know that might just be another step in the process of which you know before that would be there but as I said if the council had no interest in seeing a gravel driveway anywhere in the city limits then you know we can end that conversation but if it's something that we could bring if there is a possibility for it under certain certain circumstances and they you know make sense for future growth and development or they make sense in terms of hey doesn't have connected Water and Sewer right now at the point in which it does you know that would be the time and make it conform with all the other City lots that are connected Water and Sewer with pave driveways all right all right thank you okay Council business item C resolution 2800 approving a conditional use permit for an outdoor sales lot at the Canon Falls mall and I can just answer any questions you you have since I know you know about it but I was when it was brought to Planning Commission I I hadn't actually gone out to the mall and looked and my bad on that um it appears that the storage units are all sitting out there and a whole another set of them is sitting between um the bank and Triangle Auto and all of them are on on grass um and I because obviously the zoning Planning Commission recommended that it'd be a you know that they'd be placed on a paved lot and you look at the properties where they're now sitting and neither one of them is paved and I'm not really sure that Paving them is really a good option but um I guess and I asked John too I mean if they're actually putting them there to sell shouldn't the actual company selling them like have a business license to do that or I'm just very confused about it yeah so I'll address I did look into the business license question after that so our ordinances do prescribe for business licenses for specific things so um alcohol I believe tobacco massage uh refuse haulers there's but outdoor sales like this were not a part of that Peddlers solicitors and uh licenses were um those were those were the ones that we have prescribed license fees and applications uh for those things so the rest of it you know if it is a sales thing um they should be licensed but or at least apply for that at the state level I mean if there's if that applies if it's a business um so get those filings in order at the state um but it's not something that in this sence I believe the city would be licensing did the other set ask for permit the the ones that are between the bank and Triangle Auto I think they're all the same owner are they not different I believe it's a different owner yeah and I'm not sure there was probably already I mean at least when I've worked here I don't think they might have been existing but I mean they're they're kind of cute looking and they're really not not ugly or you know offensive in any way it's just you know if we make the one do something there again isn't fair make one do something that the other one doesn't have to I wish they hadn't applied at all and I'd never seen them but that was that was the only reason I brought it down was just questions okay anybody else have any questions about it can I get a motion to [Music] approve second a motion by Lisa and second by Chris to approve the conditional use permit all in favor I I motion passes okay moving to um reports May is not here did anybody no okay um Eda I don't have much of a voice so I'll see how far I get um Eda um we sold we closed on a couple more Lots last week um and then we'll be working on our strategic goals for 25 and the next fiveyear Outlook um at our February meeting um and we're also um will be moving forward with our next phase um meeting with whks in March so that's it okay thank you um the public works and parkboard um I can answer that because you were there right yeah okay um most of what we it was actually a pretty brief meeting most of what we talked about is on the consent agenda um did you have any s Jed I mean I'll go around to you anyway but okay um finance committee um we did not meet this is March 10th is it really not meeting until March 10th go go up under reports oh good gravy Library board um I was there and I was not I was absent sorry but you were out of time yeah um and and just being there were three meetings scheduled on on that Monday Library vote uh Library board has chosen to move their meetings to the fourth Monday so that will not prevent uh be a conflict anymore so we thank them for that okay and the Planning Commission both of those items were on the agenda okay Mr Chief McCormack just want to remind excuse me just want to remind people that uh while these uh really cold temperatures are going on we aren't getting any snow but it is going to warm up a little bit and they're predicting some snow so please get your vehicles off uh when it does snow Public Works uh needs them out of the way so they can come in and plow curb to curb without uh having to slow down and go around other vehicles that are parked uh we try to avoid having to tow them but we will and so their help in uh ensuring the streets are free of the vehicles so that that uh snow removal can be done is really needed that's all I got thank you Sarah John thank you um just to touch on finance committee it's not the next one is scheduled for March because I know there's a conflict on its normal schedule date where I'm out of town okay um so if we do need a special meeting we can we can call for that um at a at a later time and post for it accordingly um then I just want to inform you that uh still there's the elected officials training we did get Chad registered for that if you're interested uh the cohort in Plymouth is um February 21st and 22nd um I do believe I have two attending with me to the um Southeastern uh Minnesota League of Municipal ities uh next Thursday down in cassen um the council treat they talked about that at the last meeting like uh based on the schedule the mayor I know is has a conflict at the end of January so that's going to be pushed out until later in February we'll find a date but um look for uh more information to come in my updates like I I shared this last week and if you know you share some of that that feedback it'll help kind of expedite that process and then next week I'm going to an EMS Workshop in St Paul that annual meeting as I mentioned and then there's an mcma so that's Minnesota City County managers uh Workshop that's in uh St Paul on Friday and then uh just because uh I know it was shared with Council today there was a message that went out and we've had residents talking to us about the the swans that are in the park um just making sure that people are aware they are federally permitted when we acquired the swans we did get the proper permits to to have them um the DNR was on site last year I know jud's jud's given me a great deal of information on this and he's you know by far knows more but I wanted to share you know that you know I'm really appreciative of all the work that they have been doing to care for those animals the DNR was out on site last year and inspected the area um they found it acceptable for for their standards that we were in compliance with all of that we had another individual um with an agency that um asked us to do a little a little bit more so that's why we've installed a um shelter with uh straw bedding there and then added or changed a different food that's more waterfall specific so that has been uh now taken care of for those and you know as bitter cold as it had been the water there was completely ice free um you know was full of waterfall today I think it is in terms of Minnesota and in conditions like this it's probably one of the best places that they could probably reside so so that's the update on that okay thank you Laura anything other than Eda Zach Jed um next week we are planning to burn the brush piles we would prefer there be some snow on the ground but it's not looking um we're hoping for a little bit of snow but we will work with fire department to to make sure that we have a controlled burn um we'll probably start it next next Monday so just give everybody heads up that there's going to be a little smoke in the air Diane Lisa no Chad glad to hear the swans are okay y Ryan no Chris uh just one thing I'm just going to touch on it because I think Magie would if she was here but I did see that she's putting some stuff out there for is she advertising it as Cabin Fever days on Facebook but it is alumni tournament and stuff like that so there is some stuff going on around town this weekend Saturday maybe even Friday night too so just so people are aware of that that's it okay and I don't have anything so with that I'll take a motion to adjourn Move Motion by Diane second by Ryan all those in favor I I I