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It is April 21st, 2026. We are at the Cape Canaveral City Council regular meeting at City Hall Council Chambers located at 100 Pulk Avenue, Cape Canaveral Florida. I call this meeting to order. And with

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that, Mayor Pro Tim Jackson, would you please lead us in the pledge of allegiance? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. City clerk, please call the role. >> All right. Good evening. Mayor Prom Jackson >> here. >> Council member King >> here. Mayor Morrison >> here.

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>> Council member Shoryak >> here. >> And council member Willis >> here. >> Thank you council, city staff, and all who are joining us here today. Appreciate your patience as we had a slow start here.

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With that, we will go on item number four, which is to approve the agenda as written or with amendments. Um, I should take this opportunity obviously if there's an order to anything. Uh,

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there's an item and the amended agenda. I believe our city clerk's office emailed out and also uh provided a few updates. Just want to make sure the council got those. One of those items is an item that uh I am seeking consensus

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from the council on an add-on item. And while that's numbered as 9.8, which would uh go before the discussion items, I I I would uh just ask that that we we actually put it

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after those discussion items. um if the council chooses to approve uh consider adding this item on at the very end of the meeting before reports. And so I guess that um after thought and discussion it would be item 10.3.

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Um and then if there are any other changes as far as order that the council would like to consider, now is the time. So, um, just want to discuss potentially any other changes prior and if if none,

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the one item as requested would be the only item I have. Are there any other items? council and city manager. Maybe I'm miss was there any order changes that we discussed >> that was needed getting council's uh

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consensus to put that >> on the agenda at all and if so at the end of the meeting. >> Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as amended with 10.3. >> Second.

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>> Got a motion by council member Willis, a second by council member Shoryak. There any further discussion on item number four, approving the agenda as amended. Seeing none, city clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson,

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>> four. Council member King, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shoryak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four. >> The agenda item number four, approved as amended. Pass 50, which brings us now to

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item number five. It's a we have a one interview today. Tonight under a presentations and interview section. Uh we have an applicant interview with a culture and leisure services board. The recommended applicant is Mr. Adam

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Kreves. Mr. Kreves, are you here with us this evening? If so, if you'd take your time and come on up to the podium and our city clerk will or I'm sorry, our city attorney will ask you a couple of questions. >> Good evening. >> Good evening.

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>> So, a couple of formal questions is one, is all the information in your application true and correct to the best of your knowledge? >> Yes. and then please explain to the council why you would like to serve on this board. >> Yes. Well, uh thank you council members for having me first of all. Um so what

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brings me here today is um you know initially I applied about a year ago uh to boards and I think at the time I did my application just check boxes but more as a year uh came along Molly and give me a call and and um said hey you still interested in joining a

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board. I said yes. At that point, me and Molly had a discussion and she gave me a little more insight in what uh culture and leisure services board was um basically um a part of doing. So, I just wanted to say uh thank you from Molly for doing that and bringing me in. But

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to answer your question um you know the culture and leisure board um is includes parks, recreation programs for the community. Um my interest usually comes from let's first my background um I was a Marine Corps uh part of my father

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being the Marine Corps we were stationed in Japan for about 20 years so Marine Corps uh you know dependent um we served mostly uh all over sorts of Japan and doing that we have a strong background with community involvement with uh just different families that become families

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so I see the importance of bringing communities together um I think that's what stems my my part of service. Secondly to that, um I'm a medically retired California Highway Patrol officer. So in part of that service, u we strongly um have to do a lot of

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community involvement. You know, we have to build up a community that sometimes could seem like chaos in a large city lo like like Los Angeles. Um it's Gotham City, you know, chaos. Uh you got many different parts of the city that you're

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trying to put together. uh police responsibly. You know, you're you're making decisions offhand uh right at the moment and you're trying to do the best for your community because our part of our job is public service. And to me, service comes not only from my upbringing in Japan and and that

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military core. Um but also from my time in service as law enforcement. Um outside of being medically retired and having about six surgeries to get myself back on my feet, um I came up with my own business, which we do government state contracting. And uh part of that

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business is primarily here with Space Coast. Uh we do a lot with um initiatives of trying to get um more or less this this spaceport built because we know what our competitors and different countries are bringing and how how do we transition that? So what

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brings me here specifically today is is my experience. Um I'm part of the National Small Business Association. I talk a lot of senators and congressmen in um Washington DC and part of the issues I have with them is economic development veterans procurement processes. I think accumulating all that

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together, it's it's what brings a community together. What can we do to excel the our peers that live around us, but um as a whole, how can we bring that together in a good way for everyone to live comfortably but also responsibly?

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Thank you, city attorney. Any further questions? >> Thank you, Mr. Crees. Did we uh have an opportunity to ask you a few questions? >> Absolutely. >> No particular order, council, at any point. Any member chooses to ask the question

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during this interview, please proceed. >> I Oh, go ahead. >> Um, I had a me a couple of questions for you. Now you were ba and thank you for your service. Thank you. >> I like the the thought that we have

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would have someone with military background to bring that part of our community together because we do have a lot of veterans in Cape Canaveral. >> So that I like >> just a correction my father's Marine Corps. I was I was the dependent. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Everyone in my family is is military. So

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father did 20 years in Marine Corps. uh brother's retired CFO of Space Force here with the Air Force. Um sister Army, other brother Marine Corps as well. I'm the only one that decided to go uh law enforcement route. But um >> well and we appreciate your services

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as well. >> Um now I had noticed you're not a voter here >> and so are you still voting in another location? Are you part part-time resident here? Um, I just wanted to get your thoughts about that.

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>> Right. >> And the reason I'm asking not to be completely nosy, but I'm just wondering if there's with your background and how you've have you've have travel and your different things that you were mentioning, right? Um, would this cause

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would there be any kind of hardship with being able to make the meetings? >> Absolutely not. Um, my my role as CEO of the company, I have my own schedule that I put in place. >> Okay. Um, aside from that, this is my primary residence. It just for personal

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reasons going through a nasty divorce kind of took a process. Um, it just wasn't the time to migrate everything over during that when application point. But now uh things within the past couple months have all moved this way in Cape Canaveral is um

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not only the headquarters of business now, but also uh primary residence. >> Excellent. That's that and I boy do I understand life transitions. Yes. >> So, um, and I wasn't meaning to get, you know too >> but I was wondering because I used to

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travel for business and that can really hamper you sometimes. So, that's very good and thank you so much for applying and welcome to our city and our community >> and >> thank you Mayor Prom. Is that why you're not registered as a voter

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>> at this moment? Yes. That's what was process was going through that divorce and going through the transition of things. Um it just wasn't the right time to kind of make that full transition over cuz um for those issues. >> Okay. So you plan you do plan to register as a voter. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Crees. >> Yes. >> Is that the proper >> Crees? That's it. >> Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you. Uh appreciate your service with the law enforcement. >> Thank you. We're very uh

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happy with our law enforcement here. >> Oh, absolutely. >> And uh we hope that uh you can get in here and help us out with uh our culture and leisure services board. And we appreciate your willingness to serve with it with everything else you're

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doing also. So, thank you for being here. >> Thank you. Thank you. Council member Shoryak, do you have any comments or questions? >> No, no questions, but just wanted to say thank you for stepping up to uh serve the community. Thank you. I appreciate that. >> Yes. I want to echo what we've heard

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here. Thank you very much and for your service. We obviously value uh our city manager as a long-standing police chief and uh leader and did serve in the Marine Corps. and he talked about one of the things that comes to mind with your

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background is he'll correct me if I say this wrong, but he's talked about crime being a social problem. And so being in the culture and leisure services board, I think your perspective to to help uh our community come together as as you shared

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with us tonight could >> indirectly in many cases directly help with some of the u unfortunate things such as crime that every community battles. It it's tough and I I thank you know I'm thankful for the experience I had in LA because part of one of my many

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roles as an officer over there was part of a what we call a pet team. So we have about 70 to 80,000 transates and homeless that live right off the freeways in California. So part of my role uh within California high patrol was how do we responsibly clean up um

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you know the side of freeways make them safer travelers um you know and how do we do that responsibly where we're respecting the issue but also um cleaning it up as well. So it it it's you know it's a balance that we have to make but I think um coming in here I

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could bring that insight and and how we change SOP and standards of procedures in order to accommodate that that main goal of clean up the city. >> Thank you. We appreciate you and your time today and your interest to help uh serve our community and advise within

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that scope of culture and leisure services council. Are there any other questions for the applicant? >> I just have a comment to make. looking at your um CV and your work experience, your current uh work experience as founder and chief executive officer of your own company. Um there's quite a bit

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of information there. How will you find the time to devote to um our city in the in in the midst of all of this, >> right? I have um the I call them my four horsemen. They're more or less my brothers. Uh my brother just retired out of the Air Force, was a former CTO of

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Space Force. He's now the CTO of the company. Uh my other brother, a Marine Corps, um also um current county firefighter in California, but he's a CFO of the company. He's he's done um he's been on a contract with Deote for probably about 12 years now, working

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finance. So um the the the core of the the company um pretty much takes care of the you know the uh the day-to-day work. My job at this point as CEO is how do we forecast and move the company bigger and towards the future of what we're trying to build here in Space Force, Space

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Coast, excuse me. Um, so I would say my my job is probably the easiest out of the four. You know, I I more or less as the guy that sits back now and looks for um opportunities that we can go after and then those guys are the ones that do all the work essentially. So um I have

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contracts with American Airlines. you know, I'm I'm able to fly throughout the country. Um, but my schedule's always wide open when it comes to my priorities. My priorities is this board that I'm coming on to and how can I service it with um my full integrity and

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and making sure that we're we're making the greatest opportunities for this community. >> All right. Thank you. >> Any further questions, council? >> Mr. Crees, thank you. >> Thank you. We will be taking up item 8.3 which is a resolution to formally uh

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appoint that time but until then think you uh you're looking good. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it members. Thank you. >> Okay. So uh that is all for our presentations and interviews which brings us to item number six public

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participation. And speaking of culture and leisure services board I see our chair here Mr. Chairman Prell, are you here with us? The first card I have, please come forward. And if anyone intends to speak as he's coming up, uh we have it three

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minutes. Uh typically our timer here, the green light comes on. When the yellow light comes on, it's about 30 seconds left and then we ask that you please wrap up once the sound of the buzzer happens. And uh oh, I see there's actually a second card, Mr. prevail. But

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one of them is for item number 10, the other's for five. I appreciate your patience. I don't see item five on here. Oh. >> Oh, it's >> public particip >> what we just took up. Okay. The floor is yours sir.

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>> Thank you. Um, I am here as the volunteer chairman of the culture and leisure services board. That title and $10 will get you a cup of coffee and a sleeve of melines at Starbucks, just to let you all know. But I'm here to talk

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about Mr. Kreves. When I first read his application, I had it was very honorable. He was a former California Highway Patrol officer, a lobbyist for the veterans. He had a Marine family

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background and he's a volunteer for the Special Olympics. It's all very impressive. But I want everyone to know I had several reservations. Several of you brought up those reservations. One,

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the CNL board was number five on his list. I wanted someone to be a little more dynamic to come on the board. Um he's not a registered voter in Bvard County. His company is based in California. A

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lot of travel I felt as I travel in North America. Uh and the reasoning to be on the board to be perfectly honest I thought it was very boilerplate. I the way I read that I believe that was put on every application.

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However, after listening to him, answering the questions that the CNL board posed to him, and I think after listening to him with the questions you all posed to him, I think he'd be a

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great new addition to the CNL board. A brand new perspective, a very dynamic individual, and I want him on our board before he goes on any other board. He has a great entrepreneurial spirit

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and that's what uh cultural and leisure services need. So I recommend this gentleman. He convinced me a 180 from what I read on his application. So thank you very much and I think you were just as impressed as I was after he chatted

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with you all. Thank you very much. >> And thank you Chairman Prell. appreciate your due diligence on that and uh the energy you put into it. I do have a clarifying question for city attorney there. The registered to vote that's not

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a u is that a criteria for the board. I don't members >> um there are general criteria for being a registered voter, resident and business owner but the code also says that to there's a limitation on the number of non-residents and not

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notwithstanding the general requirements there there shall be no more than two voting board or committee members not satisfying the residency and registered voter requirements. So there's that limited um exception. Um, but I think I

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think this the applicant I mean he can clarify, but he listed a resident address in in Cape Canaveral and he said he is intending to register to vote um in in Bvard County presumably. Um

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he's nodding his head. So there there is an ex exception for non-residents and business owners. >> Thank you for that. Okay, the next card that I have is uh

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says it's related to item 9.3 which is uh forthcoming. Miss uh Leticia, can I see Ferrara? I believe uh I'll go back to our city attorney

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related to the Filillmore Avenue construction project. Is it appropriate to hear public comment during that item or uh now? >> Um I would I would suggest that you

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reserve comment to uh the item. >> Is that okay with you? I think it'll >> I'm presuming Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry and I don't want to communicate with somebody that's in the audience, but she put a card in. I'm assuming that she's a representative >> of Massie.

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>> Massie. Okay. So, yes. Then I my comment stands. I would suggest that she u speak when that item comes up. >> Thank you very much. Um Mr. PL, I've got that that uh second

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card. You just spoke on the agenda item the interview that we just had, item number five. This one is in regards to the discussion item 10.2. The de the position of a surplus property. Would you like to speak during the item when we take it up? >> Yes, I would like to speak during the

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item. I would like to hear the discussion first and then determine if I need to support if I would like to speak please. >> Okay. Thank you. Let the record show he'd like to wait uh until we take up item 10.2 and hear the discussion before he comments. So, thank you again. That

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is all the public comment cards that I have at this time. If anyone did intend to speak, we do ask you please come forward before we close. Yes, please come forward if you to the podium. And we do ask that you fill out a card unless I overlooked it or missed it.

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>> I did not fill out a card. >> Okay. If you don't mind state your name and >> Sure. I'm my name is John Rodriguez. I'm with Gibbs and Register and would also like to discuss the Filillmore Avenue project when that when that item comes up for uh on the agenda. >> Absolutely. if you uh get a card here to

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our our deputy, we'll make sure that that you're heard. Those are provided out front in the lobby when you come in. >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Any other public participation desired in the community? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close

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public participation, which brings us to item number seven, managers matters. This is information regarding various projects and issues from our city manager and he's got items 7.1 ABC

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uh all the way to 7.5. And with that, Mr. Touchberry. >> Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, council. I'll be brief. Uh we typically typically give a facilities update. Uh so we'll roll with Nancy Hansen. Um, at this

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point, staff has selected some finishes to include flooring and lighting and etc. And they are pending uh review of the final building documents to go out or final documents to go out to bid. The Sandpiper Park equipment is continuing

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to be installed. So, that is installation is ongoing and we anticipate them completing that installation in the next 30 days. Manatee Sanctuary Park lighting has been uh put on hold for now due to some staffing. Uh but we plan to resume that

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project and get it done uh here shortly. City personnel update. Um we are still um in need of a record specialist and a part-time recreation leader. We currently have those positions on hold. However, uh pending our um analysis of

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our staffing and uh we are also looking for a community engagement manager. So, those are our current openings. And the next item, number three, grants update. Uh, today we've had some employees participate in the National League of

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Cities orientation hosted by Lexipole uh to give us updates on and, um, you know, information on how to pursue grants through the NLC. And so, we've got that education out of the way. Um we are not um actively engaged in any grant

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application process but we do have several under review and I think rather than go over what we're looking at just when we do have one we might want to make application to then we'll bring that to the council's attention. Uh item number four, you all have been

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presented with the employee handbook and uh I want to give a shout out to our human resources department for working on this and of course all staff that has contributed to its development. Um we spent a lot of time on it and we've been mentioning it during some previous

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council meetings. So you now have the entire handbook. It is a draft. So, we ask that you take time to look at it. And uh at this moment, we can discuss how long or how much time do you think you would like to review it before we

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bring it back to council as an item to vote on. Uh I don't know how much time you can spend reviewing it. And you also may propose some changes. So, I will suggest to you that if you have any changes, you send them to uh me via

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email and copy uh Natalie Watkins, our HR director, and we can review those changes um accordingly. And I can say we can try to put this on uh the next council's agenda or we can

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give you two months to look at it and then put it on the the agenda at that point. Any thoughts from the council on how much time you think you might want to need? Maybe one or two months? >> I have a question on that. So budget

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meeting is slated for early May or is that early June target? >> We're looking at June for our first budget hearing. Joey, >> look. Joey's ready to go. He had his laptop. He's like, I know they're going to ask me something.

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>> Um, as of now, the schedule for the budget is we, the city staff will be providing council members um the first proposed budget um at the very beginning of July. So, the first planned budget meeting for now will be in July.

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>> Okay. I I just wanted to make sure because we've started earlier before um we had more um items that were desires in the past. >> So, it was a little bit larger and took a little longer. >> So, I just wanted to make sure we

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weren't going to conflict with trying to cover whatever we're doing for that. >> Okay. So, it sounds like at the very latest bring it to in June. Okay. have. Go ahead, council member.

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>> Uh I would prefer to be in June. Give us ample time to get it to you and let you critique it. >> Okay. >> So, >> all right. I'm seeing a majority consensus then unless anyone else wants to weigh in. >> Anyone opposed to June for the city

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manager? >> Okay. Thank you. So, we'll get you something get it back from you by um you know, bring your changes, then we'll bring it back to you in June. Um and then lastly, the proposed fee restructuring and cultural leisure services advisory board. Um this is um

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just an update from the workshop that the council had with this board and uh the board met in March and discussed their proposed fee uh structure changes and they're ready to come back to council uh in the future with those

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changes uh as as an item for discussion. U they don't feel that another workshop is in order. So you can look to them in the future at a future meeting potentially next month. Um but we do have some board members present and Molly is also here the director if you

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have any questions um about the process that they've gone through >> at this time. >> All righty. Thank you. And that concludes manager matters. Thank you, mayor. >> Thank you. Any questions for our city

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manager? Comments? Okay, great. Thank you again. We are now at the consent agenda. Uh tonight we have uh really three items numbered 8.1, 8.2, 2 and 8.3

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which consist of the approval of the minutes for the February 3rd, 2026 city council and culture and leisure services board joint workshop that was just referenced. Also the minutes for the February 17, 2026 city council regular

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meeting and the March 17th, 2026 city council meeting. Item number 8.2 two is a school resource officer SRO for the city of Cocoa Beach, a memorandum of understanding between the city of Cape Canaveral and

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Cocoa Beach to uh share the cost for the SRO assigned to Cocoa Beach Junior Senior High School. And the last item on the consent is 8.3, which is a resolution number 202608 for the culture and leisure services

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board member appointment, Mr. Adam Kreves who we just interviewed. Council, should we choose to remove any of these items or we can pass them in mass? Um, Mr. Mayor, I would like to remove 8.2 for some discussion. I had some

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questions on that. >> Okay, we will do that. Any other council members desire to remove any other items? Okay, look for a motion. Make a motion to approve the consent agenda

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with the removal of 8.2 for discussion. >> Second. >> Got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member King to approve the consent agenda which consists of items 8.1 and 8.3. Any

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further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, >> mayor prom Jackson >> four. Council member King >> four. Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four.

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>> Let the record show items 8.1 and 8.3 the consent agenda pass 50 which brings us to the 8.2 item pulled by Mayor Proim Jackson. Mayor Pro Tim. >> Thank you very much mayor. I had some

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questions on this because uh from what I understood we have BCSO that provided a re SRO for Cape View and that was not part of this um thisou

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in the past. So that was from our BCO um contract with BCO to provide our our service here in our city. So um we we were paying then but providing our own s

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uh SRO if I'm correct. Is that does anyone know whether that's the truth? Um Mayor Morrison >> in my seven eight years here uh yes we we covered uh the cost for the for Cape View through the Bvard County Sheriff's

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Office. I'm not aware historically if of doing anou with the city of Cocoa Beach Police Department for the Cocoa Beach Junior Senior High. This is the first time that I can recall. And if anyone remembers >> Well, I think I think the SRO is

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controlled by Boulevard County Sheriff's Department. The city I don't believe the city of Cocoa Beach. >> Is that correct, Commander? >> Would you like me to step up? Please. >> Yes, that's a great question. Welcome, commander. Thank you for being here.

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>> Sure. I need you to mention put me on the hot spot. >> So, the sheriff's office has the main contract for the SRO program, but the individual cities have a separate contract with Boulevard Public Schools for their SRO's. >> But wouldn't wouldn't we be paying for

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an SRO for Cocoa Beach Junior Senior High? So typically like with Cape View, the sheriff's office had a separate contract with Bvard public schools to supply that SRO. If you guys ever had funding involved in that, I'm unaware of that particular um um uh cost center.

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>> So it was directly funded by the school board. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So, and um and we paid for, you know, the the resource officer before for Cocoa Beach. Correct. So,

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>> I'm not aware. >> Okay. And that's that's where it we have no school. So, you know, with this we have no school. I'm like, okay, how does this all come out in the wash

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now? because um if we're helping pay and there is a percentage in there and there are finances that they gave us in the agenda item, but I would kind of like to understand how the agreement worked

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before and what the numbers are, which I know the city manager and I discussed that as far as what the numbers are and uh wanting to see the finances because we definitely have a different situation. this year than we've had in the past.

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>> Um, now I was unaware that BCSO was directly contracted to the Bvard County Public School System before. So I wasn't sure if we had any funding in that before for Cape View's SRO. So now we

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know that we did not and we you know how have we been funding it before and you know is it is it this you know should we just go into the exact same agreement or do we need to take a look at it is my what

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my question is. >> Um can I say something? Okay. Um, we also have students who after they migrate out of the sixth grade at Kview Elementary were be were attending uh if they weren't going to a private school, they were attending Cocoa Beach Middle

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School and High School. So, were were we also paying a portion of the SR SRO costs for those students that we were sending over to Cocoa Beach? And if so, how how did that whole financial thing work?

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>> It's a good question. Let me ask our deput our uh interim director Mr. Blacker the for Cape View that's did we have a separate line item for that school resource officer?

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>> We did not have a separate line item for uh Cape View. >> Okay. >> But um I can provide some more information on the the contract and the the breakdown of what we pay for this SRO with uh Cocoa Beach. >> Great. Um,

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so I'm sorry, bear with me. Okay, here I have it. Um, so the total contract, the total SRO, I'm sorry, the total SRO contract for Cocoa Beach and um, Bvard County School

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Board is about $240,000. And Bvard County Uh the school board covers $150,000 of that roughly. So what's left over is $87,000 between Cocoa Beach and the city

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of Cape Canaveral. And um so how that leftover portion is broken down is by the number of students. And so we've been provided the number of students by Cocoa Beach. There's roughly 1,400 students at the school. Um about 374 are

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from Cape Canaveral. So that percentage is 27%. Therefore that portion that 27% of the leftover 87,000 to pay is the the current price that of the SRO for the city of Cape Canaveral

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to pay. That is the breakdown of the total cost >> which was 27,000 and >> it is 23,433. Council member Willis helped point me the um right

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>> the exhibit here. But did we pay this? So the thing that I'm having a hard time with is historically as council member King said after sixth grade Cape Canaveral children went on to Cocoa Beach Junior

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Senior High. What's changed or what will change for the 26 27 is that K through 6th grade will now be attending Roosevelt

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and so that's where I would think if we had a change it would be there but if I understand we never had a separate line item historically or anything and I think it's just confusion on my part So, and that's that was my question, Mr.

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Mayor. So, the Roosevelt SRO, is it provided by Revard County Public School System? The elementary school, the younger school, um I do not know off the top of my head because since we've had

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Cape View, we did not pay a cost for that. Um it may have been directly through the school board and uh BCSO, but this portion for um the Cocoa Beach Junior High has been a repeating expense

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where we pay a uh our portion to the the Cape Canaveral older school kids that attend school in Cape in Cocoa Beach. >> Okay. So it sounds like that does not include that is what we were doing before which was the um you know K6 and

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above or whatever grade they go to you know and so do you happen to know >> as far as Roosevelt? >> Uhhuh. >> So so the way it works is post Marjgery Stolman obviously legislation was changed and every school had to have what's called a safe school officer

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which is either a law enforcement officer or a sheriff's office trained guardian. So either Roosevelt has a guardian or a law enforcement officer. I just don't know which one they have right now. And if they have a guardian that's funded by Bvard public schools. >> Council member Willis.

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>> Uh Joey in our budget page 65. We have SRO officer line item um under the uh law enforcement trust fund. And for 20 24 2025

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we are showing a cost of 15,770. >> Is that is that correct? That is correct. >> So we do have a line item for SRO. >> Yes. And and this to confirm that line item for SRO is specifically for the uh Cocoa Beach Junior High.

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>> Okay. So it's not >> that is the clarification. >> It's not Cape View. >> Mhm. Yes. that that whole um that is fund 602. So, a separate fund from our general fund. >> That whole fund's purpose is to set money aside to pay our portion of the

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students that um attend the Cocoa Beach Junior High specifically for that. So, that line item is dedicated to the Cocoa Beach Junior High. >> Okay. >> Not to Cape View. >> All right. So, we're basically going to

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be paying 27,000 in addition to this. >> Um, the the upcoming cost for next fiscal year is going to be just 23,000. >> And what is it there? 15 >> 15770

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for this past year. >> So, it'll be 8,000 more than last year. The 15 is that >> so the 15,000 is for the fiscal year 2425 which was last fiscal year the current fiscal year

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>> so just to understand this SRO is for both now >> what is being proposed here >> um I do not believe so this is only for the um

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the um the junior high I believe but I can confirm that um because I have in front of me the breakdown and I'm just giving the the students. >> Um >> what was the I think the junior senior high it's 7th through 12th

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>> but the 27% represents Cape View. No, >> no, >> it doesn't. That was being funded by Brevard County Public Schools. >> But, but that is where they got the 27% was how many students are coming from Cape View. >> They're going to Roosevelt.

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>> They're going to coming from Kate View to Roosevelt. Makes >> sense, >> right? But if this is if this is for the junior high, >> it's for the junior high is what? >> Right. But >> but is that 27% then? Um I I can confirm

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whether this takes into account um the additional students going from Cape View that will now be going to Roosevelt, but at least historically this specific line item, this amount has been set aside for the Cocoa Beach Junior/ Senior High

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School. Um but we can confirm if we're going to be charged more due to the um the elementary school kids. Well, this agreement is for this current fiscal year beginning in July. So, this is to pay for the upcoming school year.

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>> Did we have an agreement in the past for the line item that council member Willis referenced, page 65? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Maybe that's something that was administratively approved because I don't know is below 20,000 or just the way it's always been. Um, every year

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there's been um, this has been presented, I believe, on the consent agenda and, um, it's just been passed through. So, this has been a yearly recurring thing. >> Mhm. >> Well, I I would just like to understand whether it's this 23,000 is only going

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to cover the junior senior high. Well, then what are we going to be responsible for for Roosevelt? >> Yes, we can confirm that. And I think I would feel fine uh adopting it to know that those numbers

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get verified and any adjustments can be credited or changed after. Uh Mayor Perim Jackson, I think you obviously pulled this and it's a good thing. I think we're getting some clarity and some open questions, but is your intent to

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>> Well, and that that's fine on approving this. Um, I just wanted to understand what it's for and um, if we could, you know, once again verify Roosevelt because if it's set up like Cape View was where it's uh, funded straight

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through to the school board system, then we wouldn't have any additional on top of this. Um but just wanting to make sure and looking at that um increase uh I would kind of like to understand

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that number you know where it could I mean it's jumping 8,000 but you know how many students did we have last year compared to this year for example. >> Mhm.

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No, I we said 15,000. I'm took Council Member Willis's book here. I'm looking. It was 19,372 is what we adopted for the fiscal year we're in right now. So, it's really once we verify. >> Okay. >> Increasing by 4,000.

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>> Mhm. And >> roughly >> I I would point out that on the the document on the screen um the fourth bolded line down >> does say that this is for the main campus of Cocoa Beach Junior Senior High

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School. Um but this is a good question to bring up. >> We can confirm if our price will be um raised due to the situation with Cape View. >> Yes. I would just like to understand how Roosevelt has contracted since we ours

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was contracted straight to them. And uh thank you, mayor. That's I'm glad you looked because that's really not that big of an increase for for that if we had the same number of students. >> I don't know if we do. >> Yeah. Not the the decision to close Cape

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View would not change anything. those children in sixth grade are are going to the junior senior high >> and then it it dramatically changes Roosevelt. But

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>> okay, >> I'll make a motion that we approve thisou for the Cocoa Beach. Uh with the understanding we'll get more information on Roosevelt. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson

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and a second by council member Willis. Council, any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, >> Mayor Prom Jackson, >> four, >> council member King, >> four, >> Mayor Morrison, >> four, >> council member Shoryak, >> four, >> and council member Willis,

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>> four. >> Consent agenda item 8.2 passes 50, which brings us to >> I'm sorry, Mayor Morrison, >> please. Um for the consent agenda, um the approval of the minutes March 17th

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is >> Did did you note that it is going to be postponed to the next meeting? >> I did not, but thank you. Uh council, we we adopted item 8.1, which lists the

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March 17, 2026 city council regular meeting minutes. We were provided supplemental info saying that's going to be postponed. um city attorney. Uh if if it was not the intent or there was no issue with that,

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do we need procedurally to do anything different or and just get consensus that the intent was to adopt the February 3rd joint and the February 17th regular meeting even though the 17th is

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listed on there. Um >> so with respect to the consent which which set of minutes is not going to be incorporated >> March 17th. >> March 17th >> then then then I would ask for um you know unanimous consensus of the of the

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council that the prior vote did not include the March 17, 2026 minutes. >> March or February? >> March. >> March. >> Okay. Do we have >> Mhm. >> Do we have consensus? >> Yes.

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>> Uh that the uh >> agenda item 8.1 did does not include March 17th, 2026 regular minutes which are being postponed. >> Any opposed? I see consensus. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Okay. So now we are items for action. We've got a few of them on here tonight. The first one is 9.1, which is a specimen tree removal. A motion to consider the removal of one specimen

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tree at 108 Oak Lane. We provided the application impact per our code 10241. Specimen trees may only be removed under extraordinary circumstances or hardship

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and require final approval by the city council. Before going any further, I'll ask our city manager and any and this is a straightforward application to develop one's private property. Uh the matter's been reviewed by staff. Uh Tamson Bell, our director,

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is here to answer any questions should there be any, but they plan on replacing the one tree with several trees um to continue the canopy in that area. Thank you, council. Any questions for our city staff regarding the application that we have in front of us?

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>> Ladies first. >> Thank you. My question is um with every specimen tree that is removed, is it is it uh do is there a certain number of trees that have to be planted to make up the

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difference like three for one, two for one, or does it depend on the type of specimen tree? >> So, I'm sorry, council member. There she is. >> There she is. >> You may have to repeat that question.

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Hi Tamson. >> That's all right. When you're ready. >> All right. Well, for tonight, um the staff recommends that the city council uh approve uh the removal of one specimen of Oak Live Tree at 108 Oak

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Lane. Based on the findings, uh the specimen tree is located directly within the footprint of the proposed residence. um due to setbacks in lot configuration, they tried to re-evaluate this multiple times. We're unable to um uh to find another way to build on their own land.

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So um uh so uh we do uh prioritize protection of specimen trees and that's why this request is here tonight. Um so they uh the applicant will be uh restoring the canopy by uh replanting another oak uh and two crepe myrtles.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, my question then is um when a when a specimen tree is removed, uh how do you determine how many trees have to be planted to make up the difference for that one that's removed? We have a a tree bank and the scale

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there's about um and I uh I'm not quite sure how the how experts have done the math on that, but in our code we do have a a cost comparison uh for um valuation of trees. So if a let's say it's a live oak and it's been there for let's say 50

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60 years >> um in that case if that has to be removed what would be the remedy for that? >> I mean do you do you do you put a price tag on the live oak that's being removed >> that uh yeah and there I think there's a

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size and scale in our in our in our in our code on that that helps us determine what would go back in. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So it's all figured out. It's formulaic. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. And >> thank you for asking. >> That was your question. Okay. Yeah. All right.

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>> Absolutely. So, um, so and we and the applicant will be, uh, um, putting in replacement trees to restore the canopy. So, we will be working with them to replant that. >> Followup canopy. You can, you've mentioned that a couple of times. Um, does that play into this as well? A

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bigger canopy. You want to put in trees that are going to somehow equate that? Well, I I believe the reference is more to a canopy as our designation as a tree city. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> All right.

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>> Um, so yes, so our recommendation is to allow allow for this removal. >> Well, we all love trees and certainly going down the presidential streets with trees instead of parking lots is much more beautiful to see. Yes. Um, but I've been to Oaklane and I've seen Oaklane and I I I'm assuming it's the property

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that's being excavated and cleared. No. Okay. It's not that. All right then. Wrong. Oaklane. Sorry. >> And I we do have a card from u the applicant, Mr. Odan. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly, but I didn't want to. Please proceed. Council member

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King. >> Okay. Well, I'd like to hear from him to find out from him what his thoughts are on this. I think if what we can do is make sure that we finish if you don't mind hold tight. Any questions with our city staff and then I agree we can hear just

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to clarify anything. Mayor Tim Jackson. >> Yes, I have a couple of questions. Um so this is the um property that is directly behind Circle K and I remember that place. It's it definitely needs some

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care. Um, how long ago was Do you have any idea how long ago the property was purchased? >> I I I do not. >> Okay. So, we'll ask you that when you get there. Um Okay. And uh

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that was my main question for right now, Mayor. >> Great. I've got one question. On the first page, right after the agenda summary, the city arborist request form says the number of trees to be removed has two. The application chose one.

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>> Oh, yes. Correct. Uh the uh they amended their request to reduce the the um removals. The original inspection was of two trees and then they said that they would only remove one. >> Okay. So, it wasn't a matter one that they're removing two but one of them may not meet the specimen criteria. They're

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actually going to keep the other tree as we understand. >> Correct. Okay, thank you. Are there any other questions uh before we hear from the applicant? >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Yes, Mr. Odon, thank you for your patience. Please come forward.

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If you you did fill out a card to speak and so the floor is yours. >> I did. Yes. Um good evening, mayor and council members. Um my name is Antonius Audions. I am uh the dad of uh Peter uh

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who's the owner of the property and he's planning to uh build his um his home there. And um so I think you have a survey there with um the proposed home and the two trees

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there. Um otherwise I can I can show you. We do. >> Um, so the live oak proposed for removal is approximately 2 ft from the home footprint. At at that distance, it's

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it's not possible to construct a foundation or install utilities without significant disturbance to the tree or the proposed foundation. Um, and we've tried to play with the house,

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you know, to build around a tree or to move the house one way or another. And it's very difficult cuz uh the the setbacks are limited. Um, it's a 75 ft wide lot. Um

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so while the city arborist confirmed that the tree is healthy so the issue is not its condition but it's the location um and unfortunately also the way is leaning you know that the other tree

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that's on the on the also on the drawing uh is straight up and we can we don't have to do anything there but the tree that we are proposing to um to remove unfortunately ly um it it's I think it

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had a a branch before going um going east and that's been broken off already. And so the other um very heavy um branch is going right where I feel like any construction um you know

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if you want to build something on the property it's going to be right in that area. Um so to be it would be tough to do I think you know if you want to get insurance or even to

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um meet code right >> so yeah we we like trees too and we'll remove as as few um trees as possible on this uh on this property.

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And so based on the city lands uh development code, this request meets the criteria for removal. We think as the tree prevents reasonable use of the property. Um there's no feasible alternative design at least what we feel it isn't.

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We tried uh several combinations. Um so to mitigate the impact I think you already told her that we uh we propose or my son has written this for us. We propose uh planting three replacement

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trees. Um I was told we would do two oaks and one one c myrtle. >> Is that correct? >> Okay. Um >> Okay. Okay. >> And so we respect we respectfully

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request your approval so we um we can move forward with this uh with this plan. And thank you. >> No. Thank you. >> Any questions for the applicant? >> No. Mayor Pton. >> Um, so

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when was this property purchased? >> A November of 2024. >> Okay. That was my question. Thank you. Any further questions? >> Okay. >> It's a beautiful piece of property. >> Yeah. Yeah,

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>> it is. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> You You've seen it. >> I'm looking at a photograph of it right now. Just a photograph. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. That is all I had on public comment cards for that item. All right. Council,

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so continue to to comment, ask questions, or make a motion. >> Are you entertaining a motion? >> Yes. I move that we approve um this applicant um his uh request uh to

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replace the specimen oak with two oaks and a crepe myrtle. >> Second. >> Got a motion by council member King and a second by council member Shoryak. Any further discussion?

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>> I'm going to discuss it. >> Discuss. >> Okay. um where I see where the tree is located. This is an old oak tree with the width of that trunk. And this um

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code was in place in 2024 when this property was purchased. So, this is truly one of those things where you got to do your due diligence when you're buying property. Now, I understand that

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um you know, he's the applicant is willing to go in and plant additional trees, but we're talk I'm going to tell you, we're taking down more big trees. I mean, are we good with that? Because that's why we put the ordinance in. Um I

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would consider it more of a hardship if the ordinance was not in place prior to the purchase of this property. Um, but I mean truly we have to check what we do when we buy real estate. Um,

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so I'm not um I'm not saying that anyone should change your mind or anything like that. Uh, but it's uh also in the application it says the applicant has put that the tree is diseased but the arborist is not noted

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that the tree is diseased. So, I mean, I'm not saying don't do it, but I'm just saying there are a couple of things there. And everyone needs to be diligent when you're buying property, especially in a city on a barrier island

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where we're running out of developable lots because, you know, we've got other developers in this city that are wanting to take down trees this large for their developments. and going in and allowing that for one and not allowing it for the

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other ones that have things uh subdivisions out there with us for permitting. We have to be careful about what we do. So that's my only comment. >> I'd like to say something to for to further that. I was uh under the

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impression that these oak trees have extensive root systems and these root systems are important for our barrier island to give us stability. Uh it it forms like a web under underground. Um and so they're important for that as

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well. And I don't have proof of that. I was told that by a tree specialist. I don't have it in writing, but it makes sense uh that these these root systems, they go out far and wide and they intermingle with other root systems to form kind of a mat underneath

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underground um which provides us with some stability. So, I just wanted to make the note of that. >> Thank you. Excellent comments. I think that um yeah, as far as the the disease, I I read that too and you know the date

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of that it said it looks disease was on January 21st and I think when we heard tonight it made it clear that it's for the uh the location purposes but yes that caught my eye. Um the removal of a tree with the

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replacement I like that. I think that's good. Um, and I, you know, it's sad. I every I've never met anyone who, you know, hates trees, doesn't like them in the efforts that we put in to try to protect them. Absolutely, Council Member King. They're just from a storm water management standpoint and a wind

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mitigation standpoint. Oaks are amazing to help with both of those, drawing up a lot of water as I understand. And I'm thankful we got a city arburst who was to go out and able to confirm the health of the tree. Uh the issue that I wrestle with and I've been here many times on on

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tree removals is it's uh did the property owner take reasonable efforts to try and overcome the issue? And I think he did. But even without it, especially our our city attorney could weigh in more, but state law came down

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pretty hard on local government's ability to to regulate. And so what's very important is that if somebody's trying to build a property at a place to live, that's life safety. Literally trying to have a home to live in. And if

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the tree is in that footprint or it's going to affect that, that's where I tend to um sight on the side of the the human in that respect. But you can't get a 40 50 year old tree back overnight and the benefits that come with it. I do hope

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that we hold accountable on the planning and you know that's something maybe we can take up in the future is you know trees get planted they're very vulnerable in their first couple of years in the tree bank they don't make it and it just sort of goes away you never learn anything you know else about

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it and so just making sure that that that occurs and the the other thing and actually chatted with our city manager about it is we only see the removal of trees in most cases that's what our code tells us and we do have the power to create tree bank bank but Zach and our

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team I think they've taken some inventory I would venture to say we see a net increase in trees in the city that doesn't mean you're we're getting 30 40 50 100 year old oaks back but we are seeing um from the visual not supported

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by data a lot of new trees that get gets planted and I think when you know we see an oak removed D in, you know, an inferior species, especially a non-native species. I do like to see oaks replacing oaks cuz those are the

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most valuable from my understanding. And we had a lot of oaks. We lost a lot of oaks. Talking to some of the old-timers because of the Australian pines, those giant invasive, they they they provided a huge wind block along the edge and the

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oaks like our library thrived in the middle of our city. gave that structure and foundation. Well, then they came in and removed a lot of them because they're invasive. And so they the oaks have suffered a lot with a lot of the hurricanes and the winds, but many stand

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today. And in this case, due to the location of it, from what I can see, I even went to I've been down this road several times, it is right in the middle of the property. And when you apply the setbacks like the applicant said, I

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think it's tough to to justify and I do hope that they replant. And so I would I would support the motion. >> Council member Willis, >> I just have a quick question for Tamson on the tree bank.

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Is there a minimum size of replacement? >> I'll be honest, I'm not sure the answer to that. I know that um we have the size of the specimen trees that we would we that we've been talking about um the

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minimum to remove was or sorry uh 24 in currently >> and um you know uh that that hasn't been >> well having a required size replacement. >> Yeah. >> Would work towards helping it survive.

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>> Uh as uh I I would have to consult the code to find that out. But I >> if there if there isn't, I would like to see that we >> find some way to incorporate that. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Great questions.

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Any further? We do have a motion and a second on the floor hearing none. City clerk, >> please call the roll. >> Mayor Prom Jackson >> four. Council member King, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four.

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>> Council member Shoryak, >> four. >> And Council Member Willis, >> four. >> Okay, >> we're going to have a ceremony for it on the day you take it down. >> Item 9.1, specimen tree removal, uh, was approved 50.

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Thank you for your time and your efforts. Brings us to item number 9.2, 2, which is a resolution number 202606, a memorandum of agreement for highway maintenance along State Road A1A with the Florida Department of

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Transportation. City staff is asking for us to make a motion to consider the adoption of this resolution. Uh, and it's read here. And with that, Mr. City Manager. >> Thank you, mayor. So, this is renewing an existing MOA that began roughly

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around 2014. Uh prior to that the city was maintaining rides way on state roads. We entered into an agreement in 2014 renewable every few years. Uh currently this agreement would be for three years with a one-time opportunity to extend for another three years. The

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amount of money that the city would be reimbursed for its efforts to maintain state roads in our city uh would be $8,148.96 per year paid quarterly in the amount of just over $2,000 for routine maintenance and so forth.

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And uh we have our city staff uh June Clark is here to answer any questions if you have any. >> Thank you council. Resolution 2026 is explained by our city manager and our director. >> And just to reiterate, these costs will

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offset what we're paying another contractor to maintain our rights away. It'll offset the costs that we already pay out. >> This is great. I'm glad we're getting compensated for our efforts and work. Do we have any questions for our

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director or city manager, city attorney? >> If not, seems like a win-win all the way around. >> Yeah. Yes. >> I'll make a motion to adopt um resolution number 2026-06.

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>> I'll second. >> Got a motion by Mayor Perim Jackson, a second by Council Member Willis. Any further discussion on the item? >> We can't squeeze more out of them in some way. Can't we squeeze some more out of this?

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>> We're trying. >> Hearing no further discussion. City clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson >> or. >> Council member King >> or. >> Mayor Morrison >> or. >> Council member Shoryak >> or. >> And council member Willis >> four. Let the record show item 9.2

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resolution 20260 passes 50. Which brings us to item 9.3. We're at 9:18 PM. I would like to call a fivem minute recess or as soon as we can get back in just a brief one before we uh take on item 9.3, the Filillmore Avenue reconstruction.

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Something >> we are at 7:18, >> right? >> What did I say? >> 98. >> 918. >> The record show I was wrong. >> I said really? >> Yes. >> See that? We really need a break then.

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Thank you. With that, we'll reconvene here in five minutes. Thank you for >> No, you never just let the record show that I would never All right. All righty. I'll call the meeting back

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to order. It is 7:29 p.m. and uh we had just left off finishing up item 9.2. We are now on to item 9.3 under items for action. This item is the Filillmore Avenue reconstruction. This

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is a consideration to award the bid number 202601 and this council here today uh has heard this item at the last meeting. Uh we we made some requests and I going to have

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our city attorney or city manager uh andor both give us just an overview here of what what's before us. I think we've all had a chance to review it. And with that, city attorney. >> Okay.

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So that is correct. Mayor, this is a consideration of bid award number 2026-01. Um at the last city council meeting, the council considered um this initially. The council um gave some instructions to give additional information. Um and so

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it's coming back to you for consideration. Just to recap, this is for the Filillmore Avenue reconstruction project. The um city received um several bids. The two lowest bid bidders are Massie General Contractor and Gibson

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Register. Massie general contractor uh bid proposal uh from a pricing standpoint is slightly less than Gibbs and Register to the tune of $24,9150. So those are your two apparent lowest biders based on the council's in um

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instructions and discussion at the last meeting. Um additional information was requested uh by uh to both uh both of the respondents to the bid. um they were given the option to submit additional information um if they felt necessary

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regarding the uh similar projects which it was a requirement under the um bid documents to list uh similar projects within the state of Florida. Uh they have uh both um elected to submit some additional information. Uh my understanding all of the information

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regarding the similar projects is been um provided to the city council uh for consideration. Um the agenda item uh states that um you know under the award of contract section of the bid documents. You know the award is award

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the award of this bid um is subject to the city council's um uh consideration and approval. Um the city reserves the right uh to wave technicalities irregularities to reject any and all bids and to accept that bid which is the best interest of the city and the sole

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and absolute discretion of the city. Um furthermore you as stated in the in the city code when the council awards bids price is not the only factor in awarding a bid. Section 2-27 um states um several considerations. Um

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actually there are 10. Um those are listed in the agenda item for um reference. In addition, the city code says that in the event that the city decides uh to consider um a bid that is not the lowest bidder, then a full and

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complete statement of the reasons for placing the contract elsewhere shall be prepared by the city filed with other documents relating to the invitation of bids or request for proposal. So essentially, in other words, um the council um does is not required to award

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to the lowest bidder. the council can consider um all of the factors and determine what's in the best interest of the city. Um in addition um staff and the city's engineer of record, Kimberly Horn, uh did uh provide a recommendation

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regarding uh the proposed award. That recommendation is um stated in the agenda item. And um at this point um you know my suggestion to the city council is to under the circumstances given the closeness of the bid is to give each of

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the respondents a brief opportunity to come and say hello, present uh their qualifications and address really the primary concern that the council had at the last meeting which was um to hear about you know similar projects that they have experience and how their

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experience um is best suited for um you know the city of Cape Canaveral's proposed Filillmore uh redevelopment project. So that would be my uh my recommendation and suggestion to you. I know uh Tim here um is regarding his

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recommendation is is is present and I think somebody from Kimberly Kimyhorn here the city's engineer record is even present. Um and staff of course can answer any questions that that you may have. Um you know at the council's

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discretion you know and one other point I think you know it once once the contra the respondents come up and give their presentation I think councils needs to feel free to ask the respondents if you have any particular questions regarding you know their proposals and qualifications. I think that's perfectly

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appropriate. Um I would um you know suggest you just in order to keep it structured um you know give them an opportunity to speak ask your questions to that respondent and then give the other respondent an opportunity uh to do the same. Mayor. >> Yes. Thank you, city attorney for that

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overview. And just to repeat back, I think that's an excellent recommendation. Similar to how we conduct, you know, public hearings, the order that that I'm proposing is now that we had the the brief introduction and explained all the parties that are

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here. We do have two uh cards uh here in front of us. But before going to them, uh, we can ask I think at this time if there's any technical questions or anything related to our our team here or city staff, um, I would include Kimley

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Horn as a part of that uh, questioning as well on the what we've been provided. after we've had the opportunity to ask those questions as the city attorney recommended, we'll go to the applicants in the the order that they came in and

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uh when the I'm sorry, I keep saying a applicant the respondent uh once the the first respondent comes up we can ask any questions at that point and then uh directly and then the the next respondent can come up. and do the same.

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And then we'll bring it back to council and that's our opportunity to discuss ask any further uh questions amongst ourselves and and our city staff. And yes, the council when applying the code

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referenced and uh this would need to make a decision which could include the motion should state consider uh to award the bid. And uh just wanted to clarify that that's what we're we're voting on

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tonight. And as stated uh the introductions, the qualifications and then uh the specific request was uh information about similar projects uh as we had already taken this up at the last

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meeting. And so with that council at this time had a chance to review everything. Do we have any questions for our city staff? Yes, council member Shoryak. >> Hi, Tim. Hey. >> Any of the information that you've received in the second pass, did that

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change your mind either way to to one vendor or the other? Is >> uh you're you're asking what my final recommendation is? I'm guessing. >> Yes. >> It's still with Gibson Register. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. I do have a question. When you were comparing um the qualifications

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of both of the biders here that were considering tonight, um was there very much of a discrepancy in the um capabilities uh between the two? discrepancies as in

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>> well discrepancy as in um qualifications um experience uh um all of the all of the metrics that you would use to compare and contrast between the two biders and did one of them come out ahead of the other just based on their

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work record >> with the additional information or from the original information >> with all of it. with all of it. >> Yes. >> Um so we we internally uh created a uh grading schedule uh to do our due

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diligence, me and Laura here. And um Laura was the main um caller that called each reference that of similar like projects. >> Um we divided them up, tried to uh put in one category DOT projects, highway

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projects, but then similar projects was what we wanted to concentrate on. So we took both Gibbs and Massiey's similar like projects and started digging into them, calling references, looking into what it had entailed and everything and and what we came off of that was um

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different grades of course. uh we saw some um discrepancies with um in the beginning of some of the projects or during the projects um on on on one side um and within that we we kind of posted

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our our grades from those things whatever we're going to do on Filillmore is what we were looking for. I don't know if that's an answer exactly to your question. >> What does MOOT stand for? >> Oh, I'm sorry. Maintenance of traffic. >> Okay. Okay. So, that was that was

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something that was of concern, maintenance of traffic. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> And which of the two came out ahead on that one? >> Uh, Massiey's came in below Gibbs and Register. So, Gibbs came in. >> Okay. And it was a measure a criteria

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measurement that gave you that uh that conclusion. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> All right. Um, Laura, would you like to speak to this at all? Um just what um on what Tim has said u when calling all of the references have

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you know stated both good things about both uh contractors that they're capable of doing the work. The only difference was there was a few um you know I guess points um with issues with Massie. So

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>> Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions for city staff before we hear from the respondents? >> Council member Willis. >> Uh Tim, um

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I know that this the packet was limited in how far back in time they could go. Is that correct? >> Correct. Yes. >> Um the project on West Central, wasn't that Gibson Register that

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completed that project? >> That is correct. Yes. >> Okay. So, they're accustomed to the city. >> Correct. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Great questions. Thank you. Any further this time? City attorney, any thing before we go to

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the respondents? >> Do you want to hear from Kimbley Horn as well or just staff at this point? >> Kimley Horn, uh, I know you please come forward and I believe you provided some

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documentation and reviewed the project. >> Hi. Well, thank you for having me today. um worked with the city, reviewed all of the bid packages, and came to similar conclusions. Um I don't think it comes down to

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either contractor's ability to do a roadway project, but I think the key points and the similar projects were really what we focused on. And in that, what Kimley Horn found in our professional opinion was the Delaney Avenue project that was done in city of

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Orlando has a lot of the same aspects for the Filillmore project, especially for maintenance of traffic with the residents. Um to for this to be a successful project, we need all the residents to be happy with the construction going on. Um, so we found

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that they just had a um more experience with that than came out on top in our professional opinion. >> Thank you. And for the record, would you mind stating your name and >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, Matthew Wanser with Kim Horn. >> Matthew >> Wanzer.

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>> Wanzer. Thank you. And I didn't check. Was that the letter from obviously Kimley Horn? But that was under your review. >> It was. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Any questions for >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Um, so it seems that the

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the the the contention here was the MOT. Kim Leehorn noted that. Tim, you and Laura have noted that. But other other than Well, other than that, I mean, that's that's a huge thing. Um, can you explain what the problems were?

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I wouldn't say that there's necessarily problems. It was through the projects that Gibson gives and register submitted. They showed that the challenges with doing in a residential area those specific challenges they've done that in the past recently

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specifically the Delaney Avenue project is city of Orlando heavy residential. I'm from Orlando very familiar with it. And there's just a lot of challenges when you have that many residential driveways involved and making sure residents are able to access their property while their roadway is being

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reconstructed. So providing that as a reference just was able to show that they're capable of doing that work um which gives us confidence that your residents along Filmer Avenue um will get the best experience that they

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possibly could during a construction project like this. So, so they exceeded um the experience of uh Massie >> just based off the information that was provided. Yes. >> All right. Thank you. >> Tim, did you want to say anything to

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that? Add to that? >> Um no. With the original information that we received from the first time, the first go round, I saw that there was a lot of sewer, a lot of storm water, a lot of all around everything that we're dealing with. The additional information that Massie did give me did clarify that

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they were able and willing to do those um as well. Um however, of course, first impressions are the biggest in my book. Um so that's kind of where I leaned to. Um but when it all came down to it and boiled down to it, it was theote. Um as

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as you know, Filillmore is a very important road, >> a very delicate road. And so when I look at it from a capital project's eyes, I want to make sure that all residents are taken care of properly, that they're

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going to be happy that not with just what we're doing, but how we're doing it. Um so in the end, I had to make a judgment call. I also looked at it um also in the eyes of um possible change orders um possible uh increases in and

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in in payments, increases in uh finances, increases all around. I just wanted to be very careful when it came to this. Um when it comes to taxpayers money, we have to be careful when spending this kind of money and a $4.5 million job is our project is a really

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expensive project. So, we need to do our due diligence and make sure that we're doing right by the citizens. So that's >> okay. And so your confidence lay with Gibson register, >> correct? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions uh for Mr. Wner

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here? Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Any other questions for our city staff >> this time? Question. >> Yes. Council member Willis. >> Um Tim, Laura, U. Was

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there any similarities in the LI low impact development between the two companies? >> Uh, I believe the only LI that I saw was actually in a new um a new submitted project from I hope I'm answering the

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pro the question properly. Uh, new submitted project from Gibbs. I guess they did some LI. >> It was Cleveland Street was what Kimley Horn referred to. >> Okay. Um, I just didn't know if there was anything in the Massie

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>> when it came to LI. No, I don't think so. I don't remember seeing anything. >> Thank you. Any further questions? Hearing none, we'll go ahead and go to the first card. The respondent is Leticia Massie Ferrer. I believe I'm

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pronouncing that correctly. Welcome. >> Yes. Hi. Excuse me. Good evening. Uh Leticia Massie Ferrer, vice president of Massie General Contractor. First and foremost, thank you for allowing us the opportunity to provide the additional information and for, you know, hearing us today and uh the consideration today.

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Um I did pro uh provide a packet for everyone. Um the first round of paperwork here is uh there are three letters of recommendations. Uh the first one on top is from Semino County. We are currently doing their largest project and we are well well ahead of schedule

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with them and you know really they couldn't be happier with us. Uh we just completed a project that was new city of New Smyrna Beach and New Smyrna Beach utilities commission. They were done in conjunction in a residential area, heavy heavy residential. Um, and we received

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letters of recommendations for both of them. We were three nearly 3 months ahead of schedule to completion for those projects. Um, additionally, I just submitted a letter that we had sent to Mr. Carile. He did mention the grade

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scale um that they were working on. Um this project was an ITB and should be awarded to the lowest most uh responsive responsible bidder. Uh we believe that is us. We are we were the lowest. We are responsible and we are responsive. Um

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that's just the some verbiage there. And additionally we provided the previously provided uh um additional references that do outline all of the scopes of works that were completed um and some aerial views of where these projects

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took place. um just to show that we you know we do work in residential areas. Um so thank you. >> Are there any questions for the respondent at this time representing

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asie general contractor? >> I think I have a comment to make. Um I want to compliment you on the effort that you've put into this. Not only do we receive your first package to take a look at, but we also received your second package in the mail. And I'm not

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sure if this third package that I have in front of me is a is an additional one. I've not had a chance to look at it other than reading those letters. So, I do want to tip my hat to you for your effort >> because it's quite evident to me that you really want this job. >> We do. Yes.

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>> Yeah. And um so with that, okay, >> thank you. Any other questions for the respondent at this time? Council member Willis, >> thank you for appearing and supplying all this information. Do have one

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question regarding our RFP or our request for a bid? >> Yes. >> Um, was there a particular reason that you didn't supply all of this information the first time around? >> Um, well, no. Uh we did supply so we supplied it to you twice. So the first

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set of um references here that I have that were the same ones that we sent um with with along with the additional information. I don't know that maybe at first glance they appeared to be residential. Um Howland Boulevard while

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it is a wider road it is a residential road. Uh Turbo Bay Road is a residential road. We do have some county work. They're all um in conjunction and in and near uh residential roads. So um

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and there are some other ones again that are back here. And we did provide uh we also did provide some current projects just to show how ahead we are. Uh we paved almost uh $2 million worth of work in 19 calendar days. So our teams work

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uh quickly, effectively, professionally. Um I don't have any knowledge of anyote lacking. Um our crews are uh certified and advanced. Um >> thank you.

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>> Mayor Pro Tim Jackson. >> I I had just a question. I've gone through your materials multiple times and one of the things that I was seeing in the bid packages that you gave us or the uh

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proposal the pack packages that you gave us um was a lot of them have um they took longer to complete due to the co COVID and hurricanes and things like

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that. um what ones show a normal condition as far as uh you know completing the project on time because those are really that make it hard to judge. >> Yeah. No, I understand that. Absolutely.

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Um, so if you look at the in the newly provided information, the two jobs that were done just they were just completed just recently, the North Atlantic Drainers Avenue project and the North Atlantic Water Man project that were done in conjunction with both the city of New Smyrna Beach and the utilities

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commission. Uh, those were done and completed. Uh, our original substantial completion date was June 2nd and we achieved substantial completion on March 5th. So we were well ahead of schedule on that one. >> Okay. So those were both new Smyrna Beach. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am.

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>> Okay. >> Um the city of Castleberry was done within the appropriate time allotted. City of Titusville project. I mean, you know, and of course, as far as it relates to change orders, I mean, until

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whoever the contractor is digs the ground up, you know, you're not going to know whether additional work or different work is necessary. So whether that's us or Gibbs and Register, I mean that that that is an unknown for everyone. Um and with more work and

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different work comes more time. >> Mr. Mayor, I have question number 10. >> We want to I think if we can hold that one for the city staff and just focus on the respondent right now. If there's Massie Construction General Contractor,

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excuse me. Are there any other questions or comments? Just want to say thank you for being here providing the information and uh allowing us to >> to get a better understanding. So, >> thank you very Further

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in the same order there the next and final respondent is Mr. John Rodriguez but please come forward president of Gibson Register. >> Good evening and thank you for uh allowing us time to uh speak to the

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council. Um, yes, I'm John Rodriguez, uh, president of the Gibson Register and, um, we obviously were one of the respondents to the to the bid here for, um, Filmore Filillmore Avenue. Um there

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are um in the if in the uh invitation to bid there was specific requirements and and and time frames and things for us to respond to and provide appropriate uh similar projects experience over a period of time which I think was four

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years if I remember correctly. Um and we did that. Um we feel that we've responded appropriately. We we've responded with the the type of projects that are similar to the Filillmore project. We did so timely. Um, we don't, you

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know, your invitation to it has really specific requirements and things that we are supposed to do and things that we're not supposed to do. And um, you know, we've adhered to that. Um, we don't think it's uh

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allowed for us to to come up and and and really have presentations and conversations directly with the council. It specifically states that in in the invitation to bid. So, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the conversation taking place here and what took place in the in the meeting in in March, but I'm

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I'm here to answer any questions about our bid, about our company, our history, and our and our experience that you feel is appropriate. >> Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez. Any questions? Mr. John Rodriguez with Gibson Register Incorporated.

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I'll take this time to all I have to say is thank you uh for for the time you've put in and and providing us the information that we need. >> Appreciate it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you all very much. >> Yes. Okay.

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did not have any other cards uh other than the two respondents on that and knowing that we'll go ahead and close public participation on this item come back to council

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this time we could talk amongst ourselves clarify anything discuss the uh motion and I think the recommendation that we have here from our um city staff and the engineers is

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um to consider awarding bid number 202601 to Gibson Register. Their city attorney explained um the the applicable code to-27

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has those 10 items a chance to review. Um and uh in the event the the one statement I want to make is yes lowest and responsible bidder but our code uh does state

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um in 2-187 award to other than low bidder um the procedures for that since the March meeting had a chance to really dig into this and review it and um get the

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confidence with our city staff that no matter what direction the council goes, we are ready to to take the necessary next steps. So, council uh mayor pro Tim Jackson I don't know if you you had a question or at this time I think

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>> well I had a question for Tim just as it's a project related question though but it helps me with some of the things we've discussed so um as far as what is existing on Filillmore

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as far as the sewer water um storm water and that sort of Now, I know we've done GIS mapping. Um, I know that we've discussed and I'm not sure how far along the inspections with cameras and all of these things. So

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my question is if we why do we have a scenario where I'm hearing we won't know until we open the street up because we have a pretty good idea do we not of what is under

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the street on Filmore. We do I can relate to what Massiey's saying when she when she said that um there have been instances in and in in project management where uh you do start digging into the ground and and things that were not foreseen uh such as uh buried

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objects and things of that nature and you know >> um you know I've seen I've seen a lot and and I know that anything's possible. >> Okay. Uh, so those are the things that but when it comes to utilities, they're normally all marked. When it comes to

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where our sewer pipes are, they're all marked GIS. >> Um, so those things are are easy to to notice. It's the unforeseen weird stuff that that we run into. >> Okay. So, regardless of vendor, um, you know, we could have a surprise

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based on something hyster his historically being there that we don't even know about, time capsule or who knows what, right? Um but as far as what we've done as a city to map out our

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um utility, you know, storm water, sewer, water lines, all of that, we're good. We know where >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> That was what my question was. Thank you. >> Great question.

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If there are no other questions or we need to talk through any or do not need to talk through anything further, I think uh the council has options here and it'd be looking for a motion to award the bid to

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the contractor. ctor. >> We just >> Yes. >> I'll make a motion to award the uh bid for the Filmore project to Gibson Register. >> I'll second the motion.

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>> Got a motion by Council Member Willis and a second by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson to award the bid to Gibbs and Register. Bid bid number 2020601 this time. Is there any discussion on

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the motion? >> City attorney. Just for clarification, is that motion based on um you know the recommendations of Kimley Horn and staff relative to the the reasons expressed

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um to go to um a bidder that's not the lowest bidder in accordance with the requirements of the city code. I inferred that from the motion, but I wanted to get clarification. >> Yes. any need anything more than a yes?

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>> I I just No, that's all I needed. >> Um, city attorney, for me, it is the fact that we're paying for an engineer to give us a recommendation and we have done due diligence to allow both vendors to come back and

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bring us any additional information and I've been able to look at both sides. I've had time to look at that. Um, so for me, that's it. along with how our code is written and ensuring that I'm selecting the best vendor for the city

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in my opinion. And while I didn't make the motion, I will say uh in the discussion of the motion on the FL table in our discussions in the professional recommendations we've been provided and the reasoning for those recommendations that we've discussed at this meeting in

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the last and the ability to meet not only 2-27 but 2-2187 being that this is not the lowest bidder. Uh that that would be uh my comments and I think that I I support

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the motion as well. So >> city attorney, do you need any other clarification? >> Uh no, sir. >> City manager, any comments or from our team of staff here that need to be made? >> No comments, mayor. >> Council, any further discussion on the

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motion? Seeing none, city clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson >> or. >> Council member King >> or. >> Mayor Morrison >> or. >> Council member Shoryak >> or

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>> and council member Willis >> four. The record show the motion passes 50. Item 9.3 awarding the bid number 20261 to Gibson Register Incorporated. Thank

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you both very much for your time. We're at 8:04 p.m. Now item 9.4 is in front of us, which is the lift station number three expansion project. City manager. >> Thank you, mayor. Lift station number

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three is exists in the city Cape Canaveral wastewater duplex lift station. and it's over by West Central Boulevard and Oak Manor Drive. Uh this lift station uh we anticipate an increase in a need for um well space and

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uh so we are looking to get some approval for some engineering through Tetrate Tech and then some later we'll come back with some um SRF funds to finish the project. But here to answer any questions um is Tim Carlile. We are

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seeking a motion to consider approval for $33,892 to Tetrate Techch for the engineering services for this project. >> Thank you, city manager. One technical question. I believe you clarified this. Just want to make sure I confirm these funds would come out of the wastewater,

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not the general fund. That's excellent. That is a healthy fund, right, Mr. Blacker? Thank you. >> This is a capital project submitted by Tim Carlile. So each if you have any questions. >> Okay, great. Any questions for capital

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projects director? Anyone? Seems straightforward to me. Had a chance to review it. If not, looking for a motion. >> I have make a mot. >> Sorry. I have one question for Tim, >> please.

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>> Okay. So, Tim, this is uh for our engineering including uh civil engineering and um structural engineering. Correct. And then they will also do the project management for this project once

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awarded. Do we have any clue what the construction ballpark of what the construction and the implementation of this would be at this? I know that you hadn't got had it engineered, so you don't really have

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that, but normally what kind of ballpark range are we talking about for this type of sinking a well? >> Yes. So, so we're in luck because I'm wrapping up the storm water and wastewater facilities master plan. Mhm. >> that we are going to be propositioning

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to you guys hopefully in the next couple months with a resolution and ordinance. And this project's actually included in there with the cost. Um, so I believe if I'm not mistaken, let me pull it up real fast, but I want to say it was around $657,000

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if I'm not mistaken. >> Okay, that's really a good number. Thank you. That was what I was curious about. Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> I'll make a motion to approve the the item

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purchase of 303,892 to Tetrate Techch for engineering design. >> I'll second the motion. >> Got a motion by council member Willis and a second by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson. We are on item 9.4.

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Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson, >> four. >> Council member King, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shoryak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four.

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>> Item 9.4 Four passes 50 to approve the Tetrate Tech Engineering Design for lift station number three in the amount of $33,892. Thank you very much, Tim, and the team.

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>> Thank you. Okay, we're now at 9.5, which is resolution number 20267, auditor selection committee. manager and staff is looking for a motion to consider the adoption of this

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resolution and the substance is defined. And with that, I'll pass it to our city manager. >> Thank you, mayor. As you know, James Moore has served the city well as our auditor for the past 16 years. But in seeking to follow the guidance from the

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GFOA, the Government Finance Officers Association, uh, which recommends that state and local government entities obtain independent audits of their financial statements and single audits if required based on our use of federal and state grant funds. They also recommend that we consider uh selecting

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new auditing firms uh every 5 years. Um, James Moore has served us faithfully for the past 16 years, and we think it's time that we just um move in another direction with our auditor and get the city back on a five or onto a five-year

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schedule when it comes to auditors and our finances. Uh, so, as the mayor said, we're seeking a motion to consider adoption of this resolution. Um, there's a couple of things that the council will have to do if the council uh approves

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this resolution. And those things are the council will have to after adopting the resolution per Florida state statute then appoint a council member to serve as the chair of the committee and once that uh council

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member is appointed they will oversee the committee action uh in the selection process the RFP process that will follow. Uh but the final thing is to authorize the city manager to appoint uh the two other committee members. Florida

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law recommends or mandates you have at least three people on the committee. Uh we recommend that we keep it to three and if so appointed to select the other committee members. Then we will seek people who have a basic understanding of governmental financing and reporting and

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auditing. Uh and also know that city employees are prohibited from serving on the committee. So, we'll go outside of our city to find these other committee members. Um, so that's the item for your consideration. >> Thank you, city manager. That helpful screen in front of us. If we could just

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scroll down to that very next page where there's that nice summary of what the city manager just defined that we can consider today. So, going to repeat back. Obviously, this resolution is establishing the committee. Um, then to

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fill and then speaks for itself, the size. And so I think we just want to think about that resolution by itself and at a minimum getting that done tonight will I think send us in the

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right direction. Uh if we decide that it's a three person committee um or more uh I think if I understand state law requires that one of those be a part of the governing body of this body here.

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And so if we choose and we wanted to decide that tonight, we would need to select uh one of our ourselves to be on that and their role would be chair of that committee. And then as far as filling the other two, three, four,

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however many seats, three is what's re being uh recommended. um h how do we want to fill those two other seats and uh the option to authorize the city manager and or uh

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another method and so with that uh I think we'd take these all three separately if we decide to move through all of them and um Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, Council Member Willis. I make a

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motion to adopt resolution number 2026-07 establishing an auditor selection committee. >> Second the motion. >> I get a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member King to

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adopt resolution number 20267. We have that resolution attachment number one. It's about six pages. Three double-sided the big items. Three just a brief discussion. We're all aware we're good

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with the three. Um I do have a technical question on that. City attorney is there a um or city manager who might know a quorum requirement that's talked about. So if we you know one of the risks of three is

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you're so lean you you can't you know maybe make quorum. City manager brought up a good point I think for this this isn't a board that's going to continue to meet. Its job is defining the resolution following state law. Uh there's a high probability all three are

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going to be there to meet. But is there any issue there with quorum or in the event one can't make it and with that what happens if one of those members are whomever chairs it on this board?

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So um from a as a practical matter um there shouldn't be a problem with establishing a quorum because it's a as you indicated mayor it's a limited function advisory committee um that also creates you know the RFP

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typically from a practical standpoint um they they they're very flexible with three members in establishing the schedule and u frankly would not meet unless all three were there anyway from a practical ical standpoint. It the the

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intent is to try to get the RFP document worked up quickly, put it out on the street to solicit RFPs, uh submittals, get them back, look at them, um you know, and then ultimately make a recommendation to the council. But three is a very flexible committee. Doesn't

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meet unless uh you know, unless uh you know, all three are available. That's what I've seen in practice. >> Okay. Thank you. And this committee is recommending but the the council like our other advisory boards would

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make the final decision on the auditing firm. >> Yeah. The council makes the final decision regarding the auditor and the and the final final contract. >> So the resolution as we're deciding on the size, do we want a recommendation of three to give

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us advice on who the auditor would be? Yes, >> for the city. >> Three, right? Mayor PM Jackson, >> I have a question um about quorum and sunshine law with this committee. So, if two if we have three and we had two

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people talking to each other outside of the meeting, would that be considered a quorum? >> It would be considered it would be well the sunshine law applies to this committee as well. So once once the members are appointed the sunshine law

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applies uh to this auditing selection committee regarding the subject matter that the committee is charged with handling. >> Okay. So with >> two members of the same committee should not be discussing business related to that committee.

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>> Okay. Understood. And that's what my question was because normally with with meetings under Robert's rules and sunshine law if you have three if two are talking that's a quorum you know but with the committee I wasn't

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sure if that was still the same as a >> terms of establishing a quorum. >> Uhhuh. >> I mean two would establish the quorum because it's a majority. >> Okay. But um I don't think the statute addresses the amendment quorum requirement but the sunshine law applies. >> Okay.

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>> Right. To any meeting of um two or more members of the same committee regarding the subject matter of the committee. >> Okay. >> And know from a practical standpoint and you know obviously the way this is set up I mean is to try to be flexible. I mean um the you know there are um cities

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tend to help each other with it. Um there may be a finance director from another city in Bvard County that might offer their services to to serve to provide um you know some expertise because you can't as the manager

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indicated have me members of the of the city staff serving on this committee. they can they can be advisors but you know in terms of having the statute is looking for uh people that have that type of expertise

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right so and I've seen cities um cooperate with each other about and that brings me to the question of um on authorizing the city manager to appoint the two other committee members so I understand what you're saying they may

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be someone in another city um But can we have the final say? And it's not that I don't trust our city manager. I totally do. But boy, there's been some cities out in the news recently in Florida. So, I want to make sure that

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we're, you know, well, you actually bring up a good point. So, I it would by approving this resolution on page one of six, we would not need to take up item three. We it's basically included in this resolution which the last line under section two

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says members of the comm Oh, sorry. Um and towards the middle um yeah page one of six of the actual resolution attachment one. So >> resolution >> uh if it says committee members shall include one member of the city council

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and two other qualified persons selected by the city manager. And so this resolution would address three. And if I hear you, uh, Mayor Pro Tim Jackson, we would need to the motion on the floor

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is to adopt it as written. So potentially amend this. I would it it just makes and it's not like I said, I trust our city manager. He's doing a great job. obviously during our you know

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meeting where we evaluated him but there are some cities right now that are going through some you know some challenges and since this deals with auditing I want to ensure that

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we have and maybe it's just giving him direction for it that we define something as far as the criteria for selecting that I don't know, u city attorney, city manager, could y'all weigh in just because there's some

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things out there nowadays. It's it's a little crazy. >> Sure. Uh, you know, I would offer that, you know, someone has to get the process done and find the people to do it. I think that once the um chair is

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designated by this council, uh then I can work with that chair to come up with some type of criteria that we would want to look at the type of person if we want to look at some resumes or something in between myself and the chair, you know,

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contact those who we think we would like to serve on there and and get their take on it. So that that would be my offering to how to move forward. >> I'm I'm actually okay with that. I think that as long as we're looking at

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the financial stability of the cities that we select >> that we're in a better position. >> Well, I could tell you as your city manager, I have a keen vested interest in who our auditor is. >> Exactly. >> I will not fail this council on this

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point. And I know that I I have faith in that. >> And I think that this is in that section that we have up here. So the the criteria is v you know just says uh the committee should possess or obtain

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members of the committee should possess or obtain basic understanding of government financial reporting and auditing. And so if we wanted to expand that further,

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but that there is some minimal criteria there. My question as we're talking through this is it says city employees shall not serve. So that would be unqualified on on the committee. >> Correct.

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>> When it says city employees, I assume this is derived from state law of some sort. And does that mean any city employee anywhere? Cuz I don't know what the intent necessarily was. Is >> city employees of the organization setting up?

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>> So a a city employee, a finance director at another organization uh would not cause any issues with state law. But what is the intent of city employees not serving on

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the committee? I guess what is do we know the reasoning why conflict >> of interest >> conflict of interest integrity of the process >> right >> separation duties that kind of stuff >> that's yeah that's what I think too so

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our city manager selecting who those members are does sort of get do you see what I'm saying >> I guess I I would rather see he selects the members and then we approve them like the interview process like we did for the

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>> like recommends. >> Yes, recommends and then we interview them and and make the selection as a council. >> Yeah. I just don't want to cross over. It's can a city employee recommend who will be on the committee

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and and that that was it. And I think it I'm totally fine with what council member Shoryak said and we've discussed. I think just as long as we're we're looking at that. >> Mayor, if I can offer a suggestion, you know, as a member of the Florida City County Management Association,

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uh I have plenty of contacts to reach out to with city managers across the state who have gone through this process and I can get their input and guidance. The city attorney has gone through this process uh through other cities. Our city clerk has also gone through this

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process. So, I think we have the collective body of knowledge to be able to bring forth um some candidates for you. I appreciate the suggestion of, you know, the council approving. Uh I would caution the council on we're seeking someone to volunteer their time. Who knows where they're coming from, at what

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expense they're coming here, and if they have to go through some type of, you know, approval process that might limit our our, you know, people who would consider volunteering. uh in municipal government, county government, we all go through the same issues and challenges. Uh we're not the first city to you know

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want to go through this process. And I think um you know my um colleagues are more than uh ready and willing to help out and give us the best proper guidance on how to to you know make this decision. I think council will be satisfied. We're going to pick the best firm, the best people to pick the best

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firm, excuse me. >> Okay. So, the motion is on this resolution. We're addressing parts of the motion. Uh, so let's try to are there are there any changes or

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amendments to this resolution? We've got >> I would like to ask a question of course. >> Yes. Um, so could the wording be committee members shall include one member of the city council and two other qualified persons selected by the city

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manager and approved by the chair. >> I don't see a problem with that. >> And that way the chair which is representative of council um has the ability to approve the candidates >> in writing.

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I I guess just how would they approve is it you know do we have to meet to our city manager's point or just >> city manager comes with these two great candidates and >> well that the committee chair would approve >> yeah they would be of the council

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>> the committee yeah >> but the city manager would say I've got two >> two candidates that I think are going to do a good job that to be committee members we're saying how does the chair

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formally approve those two members. What's the best way to do that? >> Appointment by the city manager with concurrence of the chair. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not going against it. I'm just saying, you know, want to be

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clear on how they approve. Um, and that's not burdensome. It's not requiring another council meeting or anything. Okay. Uh so I think the idea is amending the language that you read there one more time.

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>> Uh committee members shall include one member of the city council and two other qualified persons selected by the city manager and >> with concurrence of >> with concurrence of the chair >> concurrence of the chair. just on that

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uh amendment. Council, what do we think? Any concerns with that? >> I think that's very good and it's essentially what our city manager said only in a different way. >> Okay.

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So, before uh you know, it'd be good to make sure there are no other amendments um and so we can just state them all. I think we we're all okay with three. We've established how uh those committee

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members were uh will be the two others will be selected. It tells us how the the council member would be in a majority vote which we can I think take that up. I think after this city

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attorney, should we when ready fully adopt this resolution and then as a second motion or would it be better to incorporated in this resolution? >> I would do a second motion. >> Okay. >> Approve the resolution,

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you know, with the amendment and then get on to seeing which lucky council member gets to serve on the committee. >> Okay. I I'll retract my um motion to amend it to adopt

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resolution number 2026-07 with the edits added to add with concurrence of the chair under committee established.

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Before anyone seconds that just want to touch base with our city attorney so we don't get too deep. Is that the motion was made? Council member Willis clarified. I don't know if you amended amended the

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motion. >> Is that a pro? >> It was I don't know if there was a second. Was there a second? >> Not on this. >> Not this one, but there was on the first. >> Oh yeah. So um with with you can do unanimous consent to withdraw the entire first motion

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>> or alternatively uh council man Willis motion would be a motion to amend the main motion to add the language with concurrence of the chair >> after withdrawing or >> no either I mean it's one or the other you either withdraw and do a new motion

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or you just do a motion to modify the main motion which was to approve the resolution as written. I make a motion to modify the motion. >> The main motion. >> The main motion. Resolution number 2026-07 with the amendments.

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>> Okay. >> Now you need a second on that. >> Need a second. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Got a >> Now you need a vote on the Now you need a vote on the amendment. So, got a a motion by Council Member Willis and

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seconded by Council Member King to modify the main motion of the resolution. Any further discussion before we ask for a roll call? Well, this isn't adopting it final, just the amendment. Yeah.

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>> City clerk, >> Mayor Prom Jackson, >> or >> Council Member King or >> Mayor Morrison >> or >> Council Member Shoryak >> or >> and Council Member Willis >> or >> Okay, the motion to modify the main motion passes 50, which brings us back

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to the main motion on the floor >> as amended. >> As amended, >> we're all clear on the amendments. with concurrence of >> chair. >> The chair any other

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scarc are we scared to amend now? >> I'm I'm sort of not going to lie. >> Oh boy. >> I think we can. If there's no further discussion, city clerk, let's call the role. Mayor Pro Tim Jackson

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>> four. >> Council member King >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. >> Right. Resolution 202607 is adopted as amended

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50. And now we per the advice of our city attorney can choose or um or it says in the resolution we just passed the city council member appointed by majority vote of the city council shall

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serve as the chair of the committee. And so, uh, my comments before any motions would be I will absolutely serve on that. However, if anyone else

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is interested, I think that's u I'll take a step back unless the council feels strongly that they >> would like me. >> I I would be willing to serve, but I I would uh defer to you.

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And I think council member Shoryak, you do come to mind with your background. >> I I defer to you as well, sir. I'm willing to serve, but >> you Yeah. Well, maybe that's good. We're all talking uh >> willingness to serve. >> I would like to nominate uh Mayor Pro

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Tim to serve as the chair of this >> and I'm willing to serve, but it's I mean obviously we're all willing. Well, the the question in my mind is who understands the governmental financial

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picture to be able to take this take on this responsibility and and well, you're pointing to the mayor, but the both of you, I think, are definitely qualified. >> Yeah, I think either one of us would do a good job. >> Well, Mr. Mayor, I'm wondering if you have time for all of this.

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>> Absolutely not, but I am willing. Yes. No. And that's why I strongly so I my I don't think I stated what I said is unless this council says yes, please do, I would actually like to withdraw my my

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interest. Okay. >> Uh in that and so >> the uh three are are willing. I think we're all willing but but interested. Um, Council Member Shoryak, your background

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in in finance, maybe tell us a little bit about that. >> I passed the CPA exam 1994 and auditing was part of that one of the sections. Um, and I did serve as an internal auditor for I think about three

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or four years earlier in my career. But >> yeah, I I knew that um you had some understanding. >> I think that's great.

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>> It's it's it's been a long time since I took that test. So I I don't I do not have a CPA license in Florida. I I have my license in Mississippi and Florida, I think, requires a master's degree. So I never got the license here.

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So I do have a certificate. >> And you are interested in >> uh Sure. But I mean if somebody else wants it, I don't want to. >> Yeah. >> It's I've been doing it for a lot of years. So if somebody wants want to step up, >> I have withdrawn and I'm >> I don't want to do it. Let me go on the

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record. I don't want to do it. >> I'm willing to do it. I I think he knows the vocabulary. He knows the workings. I think that would be a Mr. Shoryak would be a great choice. Look at that top. >> It's only a one time thing, too. So, it's not going to be >> What's hope

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>> and this council is going to end up >> five years. Five years. Yeah. >> Mayor Pro Tim Jackson, are you How are you feeling? >> I'm I'm willing, but if Tom wants to do

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it, that's great. Um, I feel confident that Tom will do the research that's required at the state level through all of that. >> Yeah, I I don't have to handle all the government end of it. I mean, government I remember there was a section on the

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CPA exam and governmental accounting and I read through all that stuff and spit it back out the test and I I've actually been studying it a little bit. >> Yeah. And I feel certain that that you would prepare yourself as necessary.

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Right. So, >> Council Member Shriek, do you feel like you possess a basic understanding of governmental financial reporting and auditing? >> Basic. Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Because I think that's the only criteria I see. >> Yeah. I need to maybe sit down with Joey a little bit. It's on it's on he's on my list. uh and learn a little bit more about how the city is accounted for. >> Okay. And should anything come back

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where you want to change directions or anyone whoever we choose, uh I think we can quickly go down another interested committee chair. Okay. So,

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>> do we need to make a motion? >> Yes. Well, I move that uh Council Member Tom Shoryak be um appointed to serve as the chair of this committee. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by Council Member King, a

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second by Council Member Willis, appointing Council Member Shoryak to serve as the chair of this auditor selection committee. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none, city attorney, are we in

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line? >> Sure are. It's >> been a while. You can get a stray committee up and running soon. >> My comments are thank you for everyone who's willing to serve with an exception of me and council member King.

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>> But uh no further discussion. City clerk, please call the role. Mayor Pro Tim Jackson >> four. >> Council member King >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak. >> Can I vote on this please? Okay. Four.

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>> Honor conflict. >> And council member Willis. >> Four. >> Okay. >> Let the record show. uh passes 50 to appoint that we've uh

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adopted our resolution as amended. We've appointed our chair and uh city manager uh has uh the authority to go out and as it's written select

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two other uh committee members and uh now that we know council member Shoryak chairman Shoryak in that capacity is uh will uh be in concurrence with it and

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they'll follow the procedures and at some point it'll come back to the council and and we'll make that decision. And I I just wanted to say one other thing. um thank our city manager and city attorney uh as said 16 years um

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working with them and and I think this is going to be a a doesn't happen often. Well, it hasn't happened but uh a step in the in the in the right direction. So, it it's time and really

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looking forward to it. >> Okay, any other final comments on that one? A party congratulations to Tom Shy. >> Absolutely. Congratulations, Council Member Shyak. Thank you. >> There goes your retirement.

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>> Okay, which now brings us to uh we have two public hearings. Both of them are on second reading in order. The first one is item 9.6. We took this up in March. This is the

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second reading. and public hearing on ordinance 012026 beachfront dooms and native vegetation protection and enforcement. This is our first ordinance of the year April. I'm just because the nomenclature 01 I guess so

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>> um yes that initiated in um 2026. >> Yeah. You had a couple of ordinances I believe that were adopted in 2026 but okay >> were initiated in 2025. So they had an old number. >> That's great. Thank you for clarifying.

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City attorney. >> Okay. Ordinance number 01-2026. An ordinance of the city council of the city of Cape Canaveral Boulevard County, Florida providing for the protection and enforcement of beachfront dunes and native vegetation on public property. providing for the repeal of prior and

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consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the code, severability, and an effective date. As you indicated, mayor, this is second and final reading of this ordinance. It's also a public hearing item. There haven't been any changes since uh first reading. The ordinance is ready for uh

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consideration of adoption. And just to reiterate, as the title indicates, this is about uh you know, dune protection and beachfront vegetation on public property. Excellent. Any technical questions for our city staff before we go to the

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public? >> There were no changes from the first reading and second one. I think we I remember some questions. Um talked with Connor and the native plants and um I I have a a question for Tamson. Tamson, is

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there anything here that um you would like to add or or expound on for our edification? Oh, sure. Um, this uh this is a pretty straightforward um common sense measure and uh that protects our public assets um our our shoreline, our

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property and helps them prevent storm surge. So, um this uh this really just clarifies the local authority over our own public land. Um prevents damage to our dune systems and um provides clear enforcement mechanisms where we they don't currently exist. So, um I would

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say that this is a lowcost highreward And um pretty straightforward. >> Okay, good. Thank you. >> Yes. Okay, >> great question. >> Anything else, Council Member King? >> No, we love our beaches. We want to

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preserve them. Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you, Tamson. >> If there's no further questions, this is a public hearing item. If anyone would like to speak on this item, I want to just double check,

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see if I've got ordinance 012026, item 9.6. I don't have any cards, but because it is a public hearing item, if anyone would like to speak, please come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead close public

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participation on this item. bring it back to the council. Any debate, discussion, >> city attorney? >> Um, just point of order. Um, we need to wait for Councilwoman Jackson. >> Absolutely. >> To cast her vote, um, because she's

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still present. >> Thank you for that. >> The question is, does she know? I don't know if you want to take a brief recess until she comes back into the chamber so she can cast a vote. >> Council, >> just a few minutes. Give a chance. All

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right, we're going to recess and reconvene here as soon as we're all back in here. It is 8:57 p.m. Call the meeting back to order. We are on our first uh public hearing item uh tonight. It is the second reading of that item.

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I did we we we went to public. We brought it back to the council. Was a motion made? >> I think so. So, the motion has been made. >> We've got that. City clerk has that motion. >> No. Can you repeat the motion, please? >> I >> or the

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>> I I don't have the f I don't have it written down first or second. >> Who made the motion? >> I did. >> Council member Willis made the motion and I think it was council member King seconded >> as written. No changes. >> Got it. >> Okay. Got it. All right. Any further

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discussion on the item? >> Yep. This is uh second reading of public hearing ordinance 012026 beach dunes and narrative native vegetation protection and enforcement

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hearing. No more comments or discussion. City clerk, please call the role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson >> four. >> Council member King >> for. Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shoryak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four.

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>> All right. Ordinance 012026 passes 50. We are now on to item public hearing number 9.7, which is the second reading and public hearing of ordinance 02206,

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reasonable accommodations request. City attorney. This is ordinance 02-2026, an ordinance of the city council of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida, amending subpart B, land development code, chapter 110, zoning, article uh nine, supplemental district regulations

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of the city code to add a new division 10, reasonable accommodation requests, establishing procedures for processing requests for reasonable accommodation from the city's land development regulations, which shall also be applicable to certified recovery residents.

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in order to comply with Florida statute section 397.487 providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions incorporation into the code severability and an effective date. This is also a second and final reading and a public

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hearing item. There haven't been any changes since the first reading. Um, as the title indicates, uh, Florida statutes now requires the city to establish reasonable accommodation, uh, procedures regarding, uh, certified

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recovery residences. And, um, this ordinance um, proposes to establish those reasonable accommodation procedures. Um those procedures can also apply um to um request for reasonable accommodation under the Fair Housing Act

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or the Americans with Disabilities Act. Um so the process would would would also uh work in those circumstances as well. As I indicated during first reading, there are times um where um city uh land

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development regulations must yield in order to provide a reasonable accommodation for compliance purposes with the um ADA and the FHA. Um so I'd be happy to answer any other questions you may have. The ordinance is ready for

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uh public hearing and consideration of approval. >> Thank you, city attorney. Ordinance O2 20226. Do we have any questions for city attorney or appropriate staff before hearing the public? Seeing none, this is a public hearing

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item. If anyone here with us today would like to speak on this second and final reading of ordinance 02206, reasonable accommodations request as read by our city attorney. Please come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close

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public participation, bring it back to the council. Any further discussion or debate on the public hearing item? If not, we look for a motion, please. >> Make a motion to adopt ordinance number 02-2026,

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second reading. >> Second. Got got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member Shorak to adopt ordinance 02206. >> Any further discussion?

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>> City clerk, >> mayor prom Jackson >> council member King >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. Right. Ordinance O2 20226 passes

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50 on final second final reading which is the end of our public hearing items. We at the beginning of the agenda the proposed uh agenda item 9.8 uh recommended moving that after the two

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discussion items 10.1 10.2 2 and so we'll guess call that 10.3 for the sake of this meeting which brings us to our items for discussion. First one is item 10.1 city own chargers

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submitted by mayor pro Tim Jackson. The floor is yours. >> Thank you mayor. Okay. I brought this agenda item to discuss the status of expenses and revenue on city-owned electric vehicle

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chargers and discuss and potentially get a consensus of looking at possible changes to the business model for the city. Um, so we want to I wanted to look at the status of EV charger expenses and re

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revenues and discuss the option of potentially decommissioning existing equipment and entering a lease agreement with vendors that provide the equipment. And um typically, just so you know where I'm coming from on this, um I know

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someone that's a civil engineer with large uh cities, municipal governments, also deals with airports um and all types of municipal projects and state projects as well. He has uh

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given me information in regards to the EV stations that are being offered. A lot of cities are abandoning maintaining the equipment and instead going with the com with various companies that provide equipment.

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They also pay lease um pay leases to the city for the parking spaces and the the square footage where the chargers are located. And then there are um there's a

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percentage that the government whether it's a airport, municipal, state or county, they would get a percentage of the charging. And when this happens, there's some benefits. It removes the

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fiscal responsibility for the the um ownership of the EV charging stations because the city doesn't own the equipment and instead um it eliminates our annual maintenance uh for the equipment because we have a

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maintenance contract for that. It also takes care of them monitoring their own equipment. So we wouldn't have to look at any monitoring if we do pay a different fee for that. It eliminates the equipment costs

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and it produces income even if it's small for the lease of the parking spaces and the land the charging equipment is installed on. So it becomes an income prodducing um situation versus a a situation where we're paying

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expenses to have that service. So, um, the current situation and you know, we had different things that we looked at and Zach has been wonderful keeping us up to date back then when I

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had discussed this in early 2024, but we had spent around 110,000 and our chargers are middle a mid-grade I think. Isn't that correct, Zach? >> Correct. >> Okay. So they're not correct they're not

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the fast chargers. >> No, they're level two stations. So that's um 110 volts >> um take several hours to recharge a vehicle. Uh level three example would be the superchargers

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uh over on A1A uh by Tai Thai. >> Okay, >> those are like 420 volts. >> Okay. And so it puts us at a disadvantage when we have that bank of fast high-speed chargers by Tai Tai that

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are Tesla chargers. Um, and it makes it difficult for us to keep up with the cost and keep up with having a service that we can, you know, really compete with for that. So, um,

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we've had those Tesla banka chargers that were installed on the west side of Mangrove Marketplace by Tai Thai. Um, we also added additional patrol rounds, uh, which were required because we had to leave the gates open at Manatee at night

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and the and also around the C5 and the end of Central I for is that Central Park at the end of uh, Center Street. Center Street, increasing the number of ve uh Bvard County patrols during nighttime hours on the location where

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our chargers are located. So, um the number of chargers in Bvard County has increased. Some hotels have them now in their parking spots. And so, I went out and got some of the vendors uh that do

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provide this service. And so, Tesla does it, of course. EVgo, ChargePoint, Ampal and Site Time. And so municipalities can generate revenue from leased fast charging EV stations through

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various business models and pricing strategies. There are some key points on how this works. Um there's advertising models that that work through apps and with partner companies to advertise our

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along with other chargers in the area. They have dynamic pricing models where they can implement dynamic pricing strategies to adjust the cost based on demand and usage patterns. And they have the utilization rate of

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charging stations can benefit from high utilization rates where the station is used frequently leading to increased revenue. Um it can be the electricity cost can be f factored into the pricing strategy.

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Um and literally with the civil engineer that I spoke to, many of the these companies are paying for the electricity as part of their package with leasing there. They are taking care of their own

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electricity for the chargers. So these strategies help municipalities manage the costs associated with EV charging infrastructure and um they help contribute to overall economic development.

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It takes us from a place where we have this service that people there are people that need it. There's when you see the number of snowbirds that come into the area with EVs, there are quite a few of them and they need a place to

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charge, but we're going to have a hard time competing with a Tesla highspeed down there. So, this would give us the ability to take and turn it around where, you know, um, Zach could potentially work and his team could

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potentially work with the vendor, you know, handle the contracts, handle the the being aware of maintenance reports and various things like this. and staying informed and doing a lot of contract and vendor management while we're not paying

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the costs and having to worry about updating them to keep them relevant because tech just tech I mean it changes so rapidly. So that's what this agenda item was for. It's a little thing

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really, you know, it's not a huge amount of money, but I think that we need to look at are we, you know, are we going to stay relevant with them? There are people that use them and if we use it in this manner, we can start making

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whatever we make instead of paying for the service when we when we have mid-level chargers. >> So, that's my agenda item. I could throw some numbers your way if you'd like. >> Please >> probably help your point. >> Yes, thank you. That

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>> so over the course of the program's lifetime with the new stations that we added back way back now all the way in 2023, December 2023, that we've recorded 3,387 individual charging sessions and have

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generated just over just over $12,568 in revenue while expending 15,000. So your the original a little bit of story time. Have you heard of a company

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called Rivian? >> Mhm. >> Yes. Okay. Actually started by a gentleman from Bvard County. >> Yes. >> Um Rivian is a play on Indian River Lagoon. Strangely enough, that's where the name comes from. Um the city was in uh very preliminary

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discussions for Rivian to do exactly what you're talking about where we would become a host site for their stations on a leasing model. And we were getting kind of close. We were starting to formulate agreement and Rivian unfortunately backed out. It was back in 2022 or 23 when they were still trying

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to get their legs under themselves. I think they shifted more into production of their actual cars rather than their station buildout. nowadays it's probably come back a little bit to doing both. But I think that model that you're talking about is something that is definitely worth looking at. A lot of

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cities will tend to allocate a dedicated hub, so to speak. Uh city of Orlando, for example, has a a downtown hub where there's like 30 stalls, but someone came in and put those in and they're, you know, getting the revenues and getting the lease uh money off that. So, I think

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it's very possible. You just have to go out and find the the right company. And I agree from speaking with this engineer. He handles uh you know a lot of the US but a lot along the eastern seabboard and a lot of companies have

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converted because you can't keep your chargers updated you know rapidly uh because they're changing and I think that we need to take a look at that. I would just like to get a consensus on

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this item so that we can give the city manager direction to work with Zach and his team to look at what our options are there and that way we can take a look and see if it, you know, which which way

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might be the best way for us to go on it. I suggest too in the interim if you would like us to do while we investigate that we could redo the existing fee schedule of the stations and do a market reanalysis see if we're still cost competitive with the rates that we

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charge. Um and then uh also even we could look at implementing things like dynamic pricing and given it could be rewarded in a way where on the city manager authority or something if there's a major event like an Artemis launch where the beaches were completely

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full and charging was in high demand we could >> boost it on certain days >> and that's actually a great idea because no matter what we decided if you found that you know this was a good option uh no matter it's going to take time to

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do it. So those things could help during the process. >> Sure. Yeah, we could look into that. >> It's great. >> Mr. Mayor, >> Council Member Willis, I I agree with Mayor Pro Tim Jackson.

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This is exactly what I introduced back in 2022 with the Rivian idea and they basically dropped the ball on us and with technologies changing uh there were not these options

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three years ago that we have now. But uh as far as uh additional expense goes to it, the sheriff's department doesn't make special patrols of these places. They're they're doing it anyway. Uh so it's really not a

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cost there from the sheriff's department because any any car that is still plugged up to the existing chargers gets paid has to pay a fee as long as they're connected. So, we're if they leave their car

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plugged up to the charger, we're getting more money. But that's neither here nor there. But, um I think uh if we can possibly get someone to come in and take ownership of these things and turn it into a leasing model, that would be an

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excellent excellent choice for the city. So, I I agree with the effort here. >> Yeah. in terms of EV technology, 2023 might as well be 200 years ago. So, >> and that's what I'm talking about. Um,

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we're we're on the space coast and where we were ahead with it when it was first, you know, when we first went forward with this. You can't keep up with technology in a government situation when it's

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moving super rapidly. you know, not unless NASA gives us money for charging up dates every other month. >> I'm I'm sure the mayor remembers, but prior to originally doing this in 2022

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2023, we were giving it away. >> And >> that is an unsustainable and not not a kosher model anymore. >> And it's too large. I actually remember that a certain business here in town was

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taking their entire fleet over there and charging at Manatee Park because I brought that into council and discussed it before I was on. But I just think it's a good thing and thank you Zach for being willing to look at how we can

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utilize u what's out there now and work with you know companies to to bring what we need into the model so that we can make some money off of it or at least cover itself. >> Sure.

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>> So we can do that. >> Any comments? I got a couple. Just want to make sure >> we're sure yet. >> I think that's an excellent idea to outsource this. I mean, the way I look at it, the city doesn't have a gas station for people's cars and we're on

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the hook for it. So, if we want it as convenience, that's great, but what we this way we're not on the hook for technology changes and all that good stuff and we don't lose money on it. So, here here member King. >> Yeah.

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completely. I was I was never ever for the EV charging stations. I will tell you that. And when I learned that we were giving the electricity away, >> I infuriated would be the word I'd use to describe. >> Yeah. So, you know, I think this is

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great. Let's move forward with it. >> Thank you. Yes. My comments are we were the we stopped the bleeding if you will and I think you know just want to point out a couple of things. U

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convenience is important and speed of charging is important. Those Teslas those level tier three are major u kilowatts and volts coming through. They're almost comparable to filling up a gas. Not quite as fast, but

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they can they're moving a lot of watts through there quickly. However, as the the utility infrastructure that's required and the cost to to support that level of charging for convenience, it's

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not any it's probably more expensive. It's just less time is significant. And you know as a city when we look at demand and substations and the transmission and the distribution lines right this country if

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I mean EVs even just continue to become more popular at the rate we can all debate you know we saw it's going to be everywhere that um we're going to have a serious demand problem not from the economic term of demand but inter

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electricity demand is that you know when your lights flicker You probably need a new bane service panel in your house. 150 amp, maybe 200 amp would be more. But the benefits and one of the ways forward just from a a big view is, you

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know, don't completely run from the tier 2 or even tier one chargers because those are slow and low. They never peak the demand. If you're doing it overnight, what do you care? But there's a there's a need for for both. And so,

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you know, I'm always hesitant to the level threes are needed. Absolutely. When you've got to have a quick charge and in America, we love it right now, but the the overnight and the the rationale and the benefit of having slow

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and low does keep demand down. And uh otherwise, you know, if we I mean, if you really run the math in the model that if every home had at least one EV car and everyone I mean it would it our our grid is old and it would cause some

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major just security issues on the grid. And so as we're trying first I'll just say yes absolutely to this. I think it's a great idea exploring always questioning our processes and exploring opportunities. Fully think that's a good

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idea. It sounds like um we we obviously got the team that can do that, but there is a benefit of keeping some of those lower um tiers for the grid for the consumer. I think that there's a lot of

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folks out there that that would rather do that, especially if it costs a little bit less. Um, when we talked about the, uh, dynamic pricing, uh, we I think that's an excellent idea. It would be really interesting to see

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what did Artemis do to our charging stations. Uh, did we see an increase? Uh, what about Blue Origin, you know, in any any peak? Uh, >> we can go back and look. We can correlate to Yeah, I just have to find the date and then put a rocket launch to

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it and see if there was any >> discrepancies. I'm counting 28 months December 23 to I guess roughly today >> to March 26. >> So a little over two years. Yeah. >> And you know not I guess he's like where were those >> launches

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>> volatile you know where we saw peaks and that would be the market opportunity I think to potentially try to test out dynamic pricing. >> But you know it's all about the numbers in this and in so much of what we do. Um

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and I think we we should look at just if this is sounds like not just financial but risk you know that who's going to maintain it that you know the the indirect costs

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uh you know I think we have an electrician on our city staff but you know it's going to take their time too to go out and to fix and to troubleshoot any issues. My thought when we first did it, when we stopped the the free and move was, you know, it's rare to find

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investments in cities that you can make that yes, it might take a few years to get your money back, but that's far better than a lot of other investments. And so if the when we explore this my comments would be and I think these have been provided

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there was the initial capital outlay of of money that went out to buy the equipment and to install it. Did you say it was a 100,000 >> 110 >> 110 that's right >> that was for the upgrade though. >> Yeah that was to switch to the new stations. Yeah, let's just run it from.

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So, yeah, there's costs prior, right? And if we if we calculate the 0 cents per kilowatt electricity that we absolutely got an FPL bill on and you know not even going there but just

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starting with the new it was 110 out and then did I hear that the net you the the um $12,568 over the 28 months with a of revenue that came in from the fees and the cost

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was roughly 15,000 which was negative >> correct >> over the 28-month period. >> Correct. >> So year to date >> that's a combination of electricity expenditures and the networking fee to keep the stations running. >> So the cost the FPL bill.

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>> Yes. >> Then the we also the agreement that we signed with the the the service provider has annual is that what you're saying? >> It's a networking fee. >> The networking fee. So when we look at that over time over two years just like

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on a spreadsheet just like a cash flow I'm seeing 110 negative and then annual is 15,000 over 28 months whatever that is um

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it's $450 a month on average in revenue and I didn't calculate 15,000 divided by 28 but that would That's all the cost. >> Yeah. >> And you know, if we have we had, you know, >> we have not done >> maintenance for repairs, I would

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imagine. >> Yeah. I was going to say we we've actually spent zero dollars on like physical maintenance needed. >> Okay. >> Um they are under a warranty, which is nice, but the main the thing that is the most expensive is is the networking fee. That's actually the most. So, it's $450

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a month on average in revenue with $535 in cost, the networking fee and electricity cost. >> Correct. >> And so, um, >> those when we run that out, if nothing changes, it's going to take a, and this

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is what couns,000 back. >> Yeah. If you do the leasing model, you forgo the upfront capital cost probably or make it much less and then you just continue to generate more from the lease agreement plus you could probably work

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out some type of revenue exchange or share cost share. >> And so as we look into this, I would want to know what do we do with the existing equipment? And last would be while we don't have gas stations I agree

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uh you know similar to power do any of our city vehicles are they able to use it because at a minimum if when the our team goes home at night they can plug in and you got an electric car it's for city use

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>> you're not really that's more convenience you're not really paying but you have the proper equipment to plug in to but do our hybrids >> we have all electric >> car in the fleet. The rest um the other alternative fuel vehicles, I'll call

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them are are hybrid or just all gas, >> but they don't require charging. >> They do not. Okay, >> they're regenerative braking. >> Okay, that's that's uh those are my questions. I think that counsels and opportunities.

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>> And I have one last question for Zach. So Zach on those numbers with the we spent around 15,000 that includes power costs right? >> Yes. Of the breakdown. So the specific number is 15,52762.

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5,327 of that >> is power cost. >> Okay. >> The lesser of the two. The other um 10,200 is is the networking fees over two years. >> And what was that number again? I'm sorry. 10,200.

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>> Okay. But the power cost $5,32762. >> We can provide um >> that would be helpful. So >> all the info to you. >> If we found a lower networking fee, that alone would make it revenue positive. >> It would. If the networking fee wasn't a factor, we would be making money.

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>> Okay. Now the networking fee also includes the monitoring of the stations for the AI monitoring for the stations. Yes. >> Self repair, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. For those that don't know the stations, they do have a an um

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programmed AI to self diagnose software issues and it can reconstitute them if there's a outage which is nice. I >> have a quick question. Is the networking cost dependent upon the unit? >> No.

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>> Or or can they be separated out? Can we get a new network agreement using the same equipment? >> That I don't know, honestly. >> I didn't know if they were, you know, proprietary. >> Yeah. I Yeah, it's a Nova Charge product. That's the company. I don't

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know if Nova Charge would be too keen on, you know, hey, you can use, but I mean, it's something that we can investigate. I envision it would be probably just a whole new company >> brings their new charger in. >> Now, would there be any difficulty in if

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they brought in a um more current version with having to have it rerun, wiring redone? >> We would I would strongly urge that they remain the same level, level two, 110 volt. It would be a lot on

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infrastructure just from a practicality standpoint to get them up to a level three. And I think the diversification of it is important too. I mean, you get the selection of premium and regular gas at the pump station, but to the it's not

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always best. You shouldn't be using a level three station all the time on your car. You know, it's not good for the battery. To the mayor's point, um the charging stations in Banana River Park, we have residents. >> Yeah. >> Rather than install a a unit in the

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>> somebody trying to get back to Tampa or Orlando, charge up. >> Well, no. I mean, we have we people who live in our condo complex just drive over to the park and plug up and if it takes six hours, it that's fine. They're doing it overnight.

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>> Yeah. Now, one one last thing I just wanted to mention because uh Council Member Willis had a question about the equipment and what would happen if we ended up in a situation like a lot of the vendors will take the old equipment as a trade in if they use a different

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type of equipment. >> So, usually that can end up with a a tradein credit. >> That's great. I say go forth. Do you we need a motion to direct to explore? You want a word

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that what you're looking for me? >> Well, and really I just was looking for consent uh consensus for us to explore uh possible changes to the business model on the EV chargers for um you know

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a better scenario based on technology changes. Now, >> do we have consensus? Any opposed? >> Good idea. >> I don't think we need to do a roll call vote. I think u we we've obtained consensus. And

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>> city manager, anything else? >> Uh, no, we'll get right on it. We're already moving in that direction. Zach has already been making some progress. So, we'll come back to council with some options at a future meeting. >> And with that, I do think, hey, that networking fee, you know, that's a

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gamecher. And in the meantime, you still move. But I mean, that dramatically changes the numbers. I didn't realize that a third of it was electricity and 2/3 of that. But either way, this is great. >> I think uh thank you for for putting

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this on and and bringing it forward. And kind of in the same theme as our next discussion item as far as looking uh at opportunities and exploring is uh this one item 10.2

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which uh submitted by council member Shoryak subject disposition of surplus city property. Um we got a discussion item here. Before I pass it over to you, council member Shoryak, I do want to make the council aware. Got a card here and I still see Mr. PL here. I think

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it's your intention to speak on this final discussion item at some point, but you made it very clear as I'm going back to that that you wanted to hear the council speak and then have an opportunity. >> We're still Yes, sir. Thank you, Council

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Member Shoryak. >> Okay. We're going into budget season in a few months. So, we're looking I know uh we've asked the city manager to find additional sources of revenue, but I think we have larger opportunities for expense at reducing our expenses that'll

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help out. Um, first one I just want to take a look at the property two doors down from here at the corner of Taylor and A1A that was purchased uh back in 2022 for the civic hub which I don't think is on the horizon anytime soon.

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So I guess I want to look at some utilizing that turning making some kind of revenue with it and if there are no revenue opportunities if we're not going to build the civic hub what are we going to do with this parcel of land? I I Keith city manager

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had mentioned to me somebody had given him an idea of renting it out for parking for cruise ship passengers and I you do something like that there are 35 spaces there you could raise if you had uh charge $10 a night I have no idea what they charge for parking for

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cruise ships I just pulled this number up if you did that and you had 70% occupancy you could bring in 89,000 in revenue but then there's the issue of how do the people get to the cruise ships they have to Uber we don't want to into shuttle buses. So, I don't know how viable that is, but it's a it's a great idea, better than what we're doing with

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it, which is nothing. Now, I guess as a taxpayer, I'm kind of outraged that we spent that kind of money and we didn't have any plan to do it and now it's just sitting there. We had a business in there that was paying

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the last year it got taxed uh was 2021. It paid a total of 8,952 in property taxes of which 2269 went to the city's general fund. We're losing out on all that money tax revenue and we're really it's just it's a

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parking lot for the dog park. So, I'd like to bubble it up to the council and city manager. Let's figure out something to do with that. Figure out a way to make some money with it. And if we can't make any money with it, sell it. It's prime commercial real estate.

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So that's number one. Number two, looking at the Cape Center next door, you look at the numbers on the the big sheet that we handed out at the beginning of the meeting. Yes, we have um

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wonder what that was. Didn't look at it. I think >> that would be another We've lost uh In 2425 year, the Cape Center had a

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loss of about $116,000. So there is there an opportunity there to outsource that or find a private museum operator who can actually do something with it and help us make money from the property rather than losing $116,000

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or however much we're going to lose every year. Hey, before you go too far, can I just clarify that on the first item with the uh parking, you ran a 70% occupancy on 34 spaces. >> Um 35 spaces, $10 a day for parking

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times 365 days a year times 70% that works out to about $89,000. >> Okay. Yeah, that's all I needed to >> clarify. And uh $10 a day. Okay. And so now we're over here and you just shared

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numbers with the Cape Center one more time if you don't mind please. >> The Cape Center for it's 20 for our 2024 2025 year >> uh loss of about $116,000. >> Okay. And that's shown in this sheet

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that you referenced. >> It's the third column on the first page is the Cape Center. >> Yep. You're adding ODM for the year plus the fixed cost. >> Mhm. Okay. Fixed cost is okay. I see really one

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item and this is just costs any revenue they do. We have revenue Molly from the Cape Center. You'll see a note at the bottom. Next month, you'll actually be presented with a fee schedule so that that facility can

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actually start generating revenue. >> Okay. Has it generated revenue so far or No, >> it can't until you guys pass a fee schedule. >> Okay. Where where's the fee schedule? Do we have that? >> It'll be presented at next month's meeting.

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>> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay, I'm with you. >> So, since it's been open, we haven't made any revenue because we don't have an adopted fee schedule. Is that >> city council has to adopt fee schedules for general facility use? We have um

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some programs that have started to take off and that's outside of council's scope, but the programs that we can offer are limited at this time until we can get a proper fee schedule in place because where we'll make the most money

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off of that facility is in facility rentals, which has to be set by council per the city code. >> Okay. So I think it's zero, >> right? It has zero. So we did lose 116. How long has it been open?

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>> Um since March 30th, 2023. >> So three years. You got to figure we probably lost $345,000. >> I'm sorry. 24 >> 24. >> Yeah. >> So $230,000

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have gone out the door. So, and that's another one. It's a prime location. If we determine we can't make money on it or outsource it or do something with it, package it with the parking lot. That would be a great commercial property, restaurant, retail.

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We put people out of work when we bought that shopping center and demolished it. Maybe we can get those jobs back and get the city some tax revenue is my thought. And on to the third one which would be we need to take another look at the community center

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is that if you look at the first column on the first page the community center lost about $260,000 a year >> the first column >> right >> plus Canaveral Park >> yes there's some city park stuff in there buried in there too as well right

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is that >> that is a complete O andM for all of the city park facilities Okay. So, do we have a breakout of what that building itself does profit and loss-wise >> for the most part with the exception of

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mowing because that is the entire >> the park >> space as well. Um, and then I'm not sure if you're lumping the splash pad into >> I'm just looking at the bottom. >> Yeah, I know. But the splash pad is also

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kind of part and parcel to that because it's >> Is that a onetime thing or is that a recurring cost of 60,000? >> Oh, it's like owning a pool. It's a recurring Okay. >> Yeah, that's that's ongoing maintenance forever. Um, that's required by state law. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. So, >> so if we took those two items out, >> mowing and and splash pad, >> we take the mowing and the splash pad out, that leaves roughly $175,000 we lost on the building. Then >> um we recoup the building. It's what you

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don't recoup as staffing. >> But we we spent $175,000 more than we took in on the community center. >> Yes, roughly. >> Okay. Where how are you? Because I got that's 80,000. The mowing's 23,000. The splash pad and

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service plus license is 60,000. So that's 80 roughly 84,000. What you're subtracting that from >> from the two $260,000 bottom line that includes those. So >> I'm trying to get a number for just the building itself.

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>> Yeah, that makes sense now. Got it. >> So we we're we've lost $175,000. That building's been open for not quite four years. So there's, you know, close to $700,000 since it's opened up that we've spent. And we Is this the only year we have

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figures for? Do we have them for prior years? >> We have figures for prior years, but the fee schedule was changed so many times. This was the most complete package to look at what was spent and what was brought in.

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>> Okay. So, and what we learned at our joint meeting back in February was that 60% of the usage is by Silver Sneakers members, which we get less money from them than we do from the other folks.

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So, I guess if you look at the numbers, there are, I think, 282 members that aren't Silver Sneakers. That was I got that from the presentation. For $175,000, we could have bought those

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people a gym membership somewhere else and saved money. >> 200 how many? >> 282. >> That's total membership. >> Total members, >> give or take the day. >> Yeah. And that that was from back in February.

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>> Mhm. >> So, I mean, we could buy those folks a gym membership at an expensive gym and still come out ahead. So, and that's a lot of money there. And I, as a taxpayer, again, I'm outraged at that because that's money we could have

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spent on streets. I mean, we've got Filmore Avenue going first and I think we're going to do a couple others coming up. We could have advanced that. I don't think there was a big outcry to get that facility built. From what I understand, there was one workshop.

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>> There were multiple workshops and the discussion was ongoing for close to 25 years. Okay. But I I'd like to see that facility make money for the city or at least break even. And again, if we can't, we look at

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other things. Maybe we can rent that out as a an event venue, have weddings, funerals, whatever there and generate some revenue for the city. You would be very hardressed to find any park and wreck agency in the entire

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country that breaks even. >> Okay. >> We we're on par and um with national standards kind of surprisingly be because these numbers are kind of scary but that's the nature of the parks and

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recck side of things. >> I understand >> always room for improvement. Yeah, I understand that. But it's I mean, as a taxpayer, I looked, we've spent I think $6 million on that building, and it's going to lose $175,000 every year. It doesn't seem like it was the best.

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>> It was more It was I think >> we had a loan for it was seven to I think 7 to8 million after you add it all in. And if you add I think the proper splash pad that we worked hard >> that ticks it up. But yeah,

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>> I had a question for Molly. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you just made a comment about we're comparable to national standards. >> What size city? When you say national standards, I think of Golden Gate Park

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and Central Park and these kind what type of comparison are we talking about here? There's different levels. We're comparable both on state and national levels. So, it just depends on what kind

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of area you want to look at. We're very unique as you know um being a barrier island community being u mostly um older residents, transient residents, seasonal residents, and then of course our uh

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homeownership rates. >> Right. I'm just trying to to understand whether I'm comparing an apple to an orange or an orange to an orange, you know, because when you say national standards, I don't know what consists of that national standard. what type of

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>> and I can I would be happy to prevent present some data for you for >> because if it's compar >> comparable size cities with comparable size tax bases we can provide that data because national um recreation and parks

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administration compiles data like that annually and we can break it down >> okay because without knowing what we're comparing that to that doesn't really mean anything to me, >> right? >> You know, I need to know that I'm not

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comparing it to a to a Golden Gate Park, >> right? >> You know, okay, thank you. That was my question. >> And that is really it. What I want want the council to think about is what we can do with these properties. Either

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have them turn a profit for us or we dispose of them. Thank you very much, Council Member Shere. I can continue to talk. I think you know when we say uh profit,

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you guys crawl before we walk right now. It's it's can we lose less lose money at lesser rate than we're losing today? Can we decrease expenses and hold revenue? uh

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can and then you know start phasing in a direction and yes I think there are some innovative ways we could pursue or at least try uh to maybe cover and and and get a

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a profit revenue exceed expenses >> yeah or come come close come closer than $175,000 >> right and I think decreasing the the different the losses is is a is a good thing to look at. And I I get the sense

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of now that you know we've got these numbers. I agree on the I mean the C5 is the big one, right? That's but it's also I mean >> Cape Center is holding its own too in in expenses. I mean it's losing it's >> Yeah. And it's got the highest revenue

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though out of all of them. It's 120,000 $10,000 a month, right? which is uh obviously it provides a service for the community and the facilities and uh yeah, you know, just a I had a hard time

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finding I I think there was some really old one agenda and it was mentioned in discussion. The justification on this was just questioned. But even if you'd go, you know what, no, it's justified. It's something we wanted. What was not

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clear was uh to to this level. Did we need to build this C5? And that was where I think um where we are today is well, what do you mean level? Not, you know, 24,000 foot. No, it's the cost to

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maintain that facility. And I think uh this is really good. And if you're seeking similar to Mayor Pro Tim Jackson um to to direct to explore opportunities >> yes >> to to look at the properties uh my

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initial response is absolutely um I think it's good and I do think separating out that mo um just looking at the building uh alone I will say this about the splash pad

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it is loved by the community. Oh yeah, I'm not talking about getting a splash pad but >> yeah, but so like if you held on to something, it's also >> it's expensive, >> but people it has been bittersweet. Obviously, it's been a headache and a

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challenge to get run to get it running. Can we figure out a way to decrease costs? Yes. But at the end of the day, uh, if you look at Cape Canaveral's total budget and you go back 10 years, this this is a this is one of the

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biggest shifts that we've seen. And I think that's a very valid part of the point you're making here. And uh I I one broad statement and the thing I think I appreciate the most is instead of

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putting the pressure on revenue um it it's looking at expenses first and uh because what we were doing and the reason there was the tax increases was the 20% increase when this

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loan was taken and thereafter it's pretty much doubled is cuz we've been chasing ing this overhead in all other departments as well. It's not uh it's electric bill of $25,000 that we didn't pay a $25,000 electric

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bill for the two mobile home units there or the two uh trailers. But we also recognized that those needed to be improved. And so I think what we've got here today is a really nice facility that's expensive to maintain and keep up with. And if we go down the line to all

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the other properties in um before selling a property, I would want to reasonably exhaust ways to hold the asset and absolutely just be innovative and and think of ways to to get revenue.

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I can tell you parking uh you know the residents didn't want parking lots along the road but that lot up there or right here next to us there is uh you see residents renting I think Connor our our team here saw it people rent their

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driveways out it's like the Airbnb for driveways and that be um it's more than $10 a day. >> I I have no idea what they try I just pulled that number up. I don't know. >> No, I thought it was a good conservative way to look at it. So, those are my comments. I think it's all interesting. And

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>> yes, >> Zach may want to put some EV chargers there and use dynamic pricing. >> A whole lot with EV chargers. >> Well, if you think about it, when we talked about the EV chargers and the dynamic pricing, we were wondering if it

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would increase with the launch. Well, what would you do? spend $30 to park in the area of 40 um or go charge your car and walk down to the beach. Pretty easy to right?

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>> And these numbers were provided by you, Molly, and the team. >> Yes, these were presented to you guys at the joint workshop originally. >> I remember. Yes. >> I I have a question, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Um, on the Nancy Hansen uh column,

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it shows a loss or a cost of negative $96,000. And I'm curious about that because isn't Nancy Hansen part of the tennis courts and all of that um uh recreational area and do we do we get fees from folks who

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are playing tennis and pickle ball out there? >> That one takes in a lot of fees. Um I think you're including the um staffing costs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Everything. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So revenue generated by the facility is

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$46,000. That's wonderful. But the expenses incurred to keep it to get to that 46,000 cost us $96,000 loss. Right. Am I reading this correctly or are we glad that Tom is going to be

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the financial person? No, you're you're reading it correctly. Staffing staffing is the most expensive thing you're going to have in Indian industry. >> Okay. All right. And also I did have another question too. We know how many

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people we have 282 total membership as of February 26 and like you said it varies from day to day. Understandable. How many people have visited the Cape Center? Are we are we clocking that? Are we measuring that to see how what what

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the what the population is? And >> as far as day-to-day visitors that are just coming in to see exhibits, we're um approaching 10 to 15 a day. >> Okay. >> So that's that's that's growing by the day. And part of the um especially with the Artemis that was the collaboration

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with NASA has been huge because >> everyone said we couldn't do this. So the reason it's taken so long is because we have to fight to get noticed. So getting noticed, getting our credibility

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up has been one of the biggest challenges, but we're getting there. And that's why for the upcoming fee schedule, I'm actually proposing an admission fee for non-residents. >> That was my question. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Good. All right. >> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

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Okay, >> that's it. That that's all I have on it. I just want to see if we can uh not lose as much money in the future on these buildings as as much as possible. >> And one of the strategies that will be

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presented as part of the um adjusted fee structure because it's not just a schedule that you guys are going to be confronted with. you guys are going to have to make some hard decisions on the structure itself. And one of the things that is um a strategy

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to balance out is utilizing other facilities to help cover costs for the department as a whole. So that you're looking at like Manatee Sanctuary Park. The biggest expense you have at Manatee Sanctuary Park is clearly the groundskeeping, the

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mowing, the the pest control, um occasional repairs to things, but renting it out and encouraging it to be rented more frequently, expanding what can be done on that property for a fee, those are all things that can help cover

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costs for more expensive facilities. I have a question as you discuss that. What about Banana River Park and that soccer field? How often is that used? Cuz I've gone over there a lot of times with my dog and there's never any games going on that I've seen. And I know we

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have one guy that's kind of putting himself out there as he's us and he's really not us, right? We have anou with Cape Canaveral Soccer Club >> and they utilize that field >> um for two different seasons. Yep. And

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just like um our little league, they are not charged for their use of the field. >> Okay. So, how how many um how many days a year would you estimate that that field is being used? >> I would have to look at their schedules.

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>> Yeah. because that park is probably one of the most underutilized parks. >> Just want to keep the conversation going. Point to the clock. It's 9:55. I think it would be an order that I I think we should extend and uh we can cut

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it shorter. It can be quite annoying to keep extending in 10 minutes. So, if this council desires, it'd be wise, I think, to stop and and make a determination on extending the meeting. and just need a motion. >> I think

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>> move to extend the meeting to 10:30. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by council member Shoryak and a second by council member Willis. Any discussion on extending the meeting to 10:30. >> City clerk and we'll go back to >> Mayor Prom Jackson.

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>> Four. >> Council member King >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. and council member Willis >> four. Great. Mayor Jim Jackson, sorry about that. >> That's okay. I was just going to say I've been up since 4:30 this morning and

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I really wanted to use the princess rule on you, but I didn't. >> Been there. >> All it would have taken is me saying no >> and we would have that princess roll. >> Mhm. Is it a majority?

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>> Majority or unanimous. >> Super majority. >> So what it would have taken two out of five. >> Oh wow. >> Well, is there anything else Mayor Pertim at this time as >> Oh >> no.

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Council member Willis. >> Uh I think it's I think it's good we're looking at everything because we've looked at impact fees. We've looked at parking. We're looking at EV charging. This is just a natural progression u of ways to increase revenue or lower

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expenses and I think it's just good exercise and let's continue >> tell you right now what we're rent in a river park and it I mean it's a great experience I'd never really done it for my daughter she's graduating and uh yeah

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I think those things pe a lot of people don't even know you can do that and it's Uh I think we got a lot of it set up. Go on, do it. Reserve, follow the process. And uh

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we we uh I don't know if we'll get there's going to be certain facilities that like the C5 and and those are I think going to be the turnkey easiest ones to

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figure out ways to to improve and um but yes underutilized face uh are all good ideas. Council member Shoryak, thank you for for bringing this forward and talking us through it. >> Mayor, >> yes.

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>> If if I may, it wasn't listed in the council members item, but uh Tamson Bell does have a list of other properties owned by the city uh that she can pass out to the council. >> Um go ahead. >> Just gonna pause on that. I just wanted

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to um to mention that um these the to your point about the parking lot and the um these are all zoned public so it wouldn't necessarily make a commercial piece to to um to pass out. So so that does impact the uh the value. So I

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didn't want to um uh share the we have we've the we've looked at um 34 pieces of vacant property throughout the the city. Um, and then we identified which ones were actually like utilities and lift stations and things like that and then which ones were actually vacant.

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And um uh and I I won't name names or exact values until it should anything transpire. Um uh but I um but the collective market value for those public places was less than 500,000 or le uh

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just sorry slightly over $400,000 collective. But I can pass out the map but um or the or the tam was that was zoned commercial before we bought it, wasn't it? >> Uh I that was before my time. Council member Shyak.

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>> Yes, it was. I'm assuming it was. We could just change the zoning back to commercial. >> Oh, okay. >> I I want to say I think it's incumbent upon us to try to shave as much as we can. Um, in conversations I've had with

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the city manager, it's and and during the audit presentations, you know, we understood that we we really need to tighten up and any way we can do it without hurting jobs or that type of thing. And maybe we

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even have to go to that that extent. I don't know yet. But these numbers are are just like, wow. $96,000 in the hole for Nancy Hansen. uh $259,000 in the hole for the C5 and then and you know it's just

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>> that's perfect. >> We've got to be creative. We've got to be creative and I thank you Tom for doing this very much. I know that there are some constraints against um um you know some of the things that we can do. I know Anthony has um mentioned some of

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them in an email that he put out, but um yeah, I I just think it's incumbent upon us to I mean, we do it with our households. We have to do it with our city. So anyway, that's my two cents. >> I mean, I'd love to set a goal, no tax increase, maybe even lower a millage

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rate for the third year in a row. So, and we can do it. >> Yeah. And I think we're in I mean, it was all about build it and then we're in the phase of well, how do you operate? How do you operate it? How do you I mean you took on that burden of what does this actually look like? What what do we need to do? And culture and leisure

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services board started looking and finding gaps and I think it's time we're we're at this phase and and they go all right well doesn't look great. Can we improve? >> Mr. Prell filled out a card. I think it's the only one I have on this item.

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But council if we're ready we can hear he had a chance to hear us discuss. Mr. PL if you're ready please come forward. Well, first, when I saw this item on an agenda, surplus property, I thought you guys were going to be selling

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generators, excess tools, pickup trucks. I didn't know you were thinking about selling the C5 building, the property over here. Uh, Mr. Sorak, I'm surprised you don't want to sell the little league field to the Oakland Athletics cuz

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they're looking for a field in all honesty. But the dog parking lot, let's discuss that. If you sell it and you are a realtor, after we pay off the CRA funds, we paid $1.2 million and our interest

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rate is plus or minus 2%. What would we net? I'm sure you did the research. >> I have not researched that. >> Oh, okay. So, we're just shooting from the head. >> It's worth something. We're paying We paid $1.2 million. >> Yeah, we did pay 1.2, >> Mr. PL.

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>> Yes, sir. We're going to if we can't do that, you can address the >> I asked a question >> and I understand that and council member Shoryak certainly uh >> does not have to answer this time. We just need to to remain in order and if it becomes a parking lot then it ties in

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with our name >> the parking space between Port Canaveral and Cocoa Beach, >> the Cape Center and the C5 building. Uh, first of all, the dancing waters of Cape Canaveral, the splash pad when the sun

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sets, that is beautiful and just seeing all the kids there. But I want you guys to know what my background is because you were talking about profit earlier. And I'm sorry I scribbled notes. I run a $60 million sales organization and for the last

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seven years, everyone in my organization has maxed out on their bonus. I understand profit. I understand how to make money. But there is a council member that explained to me that the purpose of city government, no, the

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purpose of government is to service the people of of what they're governing, not necessarily making a profit. So, we have to also recognize that. And that ties in with Mali saying that we're

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on par with other cities. Um, sorry, I I scribbled some stuff. A big reason why these buildings have over 18,000 annual check-ins, that's the C5 and the Cape Center, 18,000, is that

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they're being utilized to enrich the citizens of Cape Canaveral culturally and physically. The 18,000 visits do not include the various instructors, the 1099 people uh that teach yoga, zumba,

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karate, line dancing, weight training, pilates, and other services there. The park, culture, and leisure department touches more citizens in Cape Canaveral than any other department except probably for the sewer department

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and the tax department. The park uh the park and recck department generates over $300,000 a year revenue. Only taxes generate more. I believe

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uh the 300,000 one-third is currently generated by the C5 building and Nancy Hansen $108,000. You're correct, sir, that 60% of the members are insurance members. We have

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three insurance companies that we service, not just Silver Sneakers. You stated you found this out by attending the workshop where you heard the director state, "Our goal is to stop and minimize the revenue gap created

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between uh created by the previous administration on they did not know. You don't know what you don't know. They did not know the little amount that insurance pays." At the same workshop, sir, you stated

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you never use the facilities since you believe our taxes should cover the fee for our citizens. I was at that meeting, obviously. Thus, you must agree with my workshop proposal, make Cape Canaveral healthy

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again, where we can charge or tax, to use your term, $8.34 a month per address. And then every child, every adult, every first responder can use the facilities free.

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Plus, we will have in excess of almost $300,000 that we can create a a u speaker engagement at the Cape Center and we can charge a small admission and generate

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more revenue that way. The ultimate goal, >> Mr. Prevail, we're going to need to wrap it up. I can't. Yeah, it's I've let you go further than I did would anyone else. >> We Okay, one more. We have lost our elementary school due to shortsightedness by the board of

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education. The C5 and the Cape Center and Nancy Hansen and our upgraded parks are attractors to new families and new residents. And that is the growth of Cape Canaveral. As my mom always said to

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me, don't cut off your nose despite your face. >> Good job. Good job. >> Okay. Anyone else who'd like to speak on the item? I don't have any cards, but I always like to double check in case I

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missed one. Yes. What? We just ask that you please fill out a card when it by the time but please come forward on this item. just need to come to the podium if you don't mind tell us your name and before you leave get you don't need to fill that out now

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you can come forward and then for the sake of time if you don't mind please just when you have time >> I appreciate you may major I mean major mayor council members city manager uh lawyer clerk

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and I don't I'm sorry I don't know but I appreciate your hard work. Um my husband and I living in Cape Canal since uh 1976

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50 years. We love this city and especially that the community center was built that was a I think city need a community center and uh it's a great asset for everyone or visitors

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especially senior student now and uh just I don't know we need a place that a nice place there have you been there at the you know staff is a very friendly court

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even I'm foreigners but they really talk to me you know I contact with me and they ask how we doing and uh and this place is about four years old

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and improving every times you know and the staff are really eager to improve group and uh just uh we need a place like a community center. So I wish you know I I

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wish you that city losing money but uh you know it's a wrong run if everyone is happy and healthy and uh you know like uh anyway I wish you keep and giving them a

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chance even though you know I I'm sure you want to make a money but something else you can buy with So please consider before decided to

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sell. It's a great benefit to like us or as students. So that's what I want to say. All right. Thanks for listening. >> Thank you. >> We get a name for the record. >> Yes. I think uh ma'am, what was your

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name? >> Roley. >> Rico Hutley. Yeah. And you'll fill it out there. Rico Hutley, I think. So, I think provided spelling on her card. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. Can I say Can I say something, Mr. Mayor? >> Oh, yes. >> Okay. I I just want to tell the folks

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that are here with us tonight. We We really don't want to raise taxes on you and we really don't want to lay off staff, but we are at a point that we have to do something. And I raise your hand if you don't mind paying more taxes

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and you can have all the amenities that we have that we enjoy. Okay. But if you don't want to Thank you. Thank you. That's where we're at. And that's the that's we're all grown-ups. This is the reality. We have to do something. Now Tom has come

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forward with some ideas. Maybe you don't like them. That's fine. This just these are just ideas. We're spitballing right now. We're trying to figure it out. And if you have some ideas, we'd love to hear from you on it. but we just don't want to have to raise your t our taxes and

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and we don't want to have to lay off staff. So there we are. There is the conundrum and that's all I'm going to say about it right now. Thank you. >> Yes, I know the word selling property is discussed but that we're we're just

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exploring right now. Uh, and I think my position is you would exhaust other ideas like council member Shorak figure out the way to cut our losses before we consider selling it. But I mean the parking lot on the corner

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that's I'm not really sure what that's going to be able to bring in in revenue. But the other things I really don't want to see a huge tax increase to keep all these buildings. And I would rather have seen the $6 million spent to control flooding in the city than on a community center. I think flooding is a bigger priority

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and folks whose houses flood would probably agree with me. >> Mr. Mayor, I have a question. >> Yes, Mayor Pim. >> I know that you were here um as a council member, I believe, when there the 20% increase was put into play.

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>> Um how >> before >> just before >> they passed it in 2016 2017. >> Uhhuh. And yeah, I I was elected that November, right after that budget was passed. >> Okay. After that budget was passed.

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>> What kind of uh revenue did that generate for the city? >> Do you know? Do you remember? >> Adorum taxes from the 2016 compared to the 201617. If we got our audit book, we can go

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back. Well, it was 20% more. I wonder if I had to guess it was probably low 4 millions and Mr. Blacker, are you actually looking at that? Do you happen to know what that increase was? >> Yeah. Um,

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>> so the prior year before the raise of >> of 19.12% the um the tax was uh 3.5 3,550,000 >> and the year after the raise was

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4,300,000. >> So 800,000 roughly was the increase. 3.5 million to 4.3 million. >> Correct. >> And so that was with a 20% increase. >> Mhm. And when we decreased taxes two years in

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a row, we ended up with 50,000 more in tax revenue >> than we did when we increase Well, I mean 800,000 over a 20% increase.

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>> Mhm. If we're going to if we're going to save these numbers at these in this chart, we're going to need to go up on taxes 50% or more, right? Because this isn't that's not making a dent. >> Sustainable.

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>> It's not sustainable. Now, I'm not one for I'm one for looking at how to do things more efficiently. I am big time on that and how and looking at creative ways to utilize things to bring some

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money in for those things. Um I'm not a fan of getting rid of property on an island that's 90% built out. That worries me. But I was here in these meetings as well, Council Member Shoryak, when all of that was bought and

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it was not um something that a lot of people wanted. There were a lot of people that were against that parking lot. Um so I think we have to really, you know, roll up our sleeves to look at how can we utilize what we have more efficiently

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and come out with ways to handle things more efficiently. One thing you had in your agenda item that I was looking at is having a private operator that leases the property. >> Um, and we need to look at how to do

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things uh more efficiently. So these are things that I think um you know staff needs to weigh in on those things as well and put their heads together and come up with ideas you know because

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that's something that you know we need to figure out because that's where I understand um from Rico I believe that was saying and also Bernie that were saying it's not supposed to make money. That's true.

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You're providing a service through a municipality, but a municipality is still a government entity that's a corporation. And if you don't have the money to do the things that you're trying to do, you're going to end up the

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only place that's coming from is from the taxpayers's pockets. And you heard what we just talked about on those numbers before and Joey gave them to us. that 20% increase did not bring us what you know a huge amount of money. So,

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we've got to find ways to be creative. Creative financing is what I call it. And creative efficiency. So, that's my two cents worth. And we've got, you know, we're all in this together. >> Yeah. >> It's not us versus you and you versus

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us. It's all of us. And if you've got some ideas, tell us. We're we're open to it, you know. Uh we don't want to shut down C5. I go there. I love it there. Um so yeah. So anyway, yeah, let's all be

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creative. Let's all work together on this. >> Absolutely. there there are some great ideas uh that I think we we're we're we're taking the necessary first step in exploring and that is what I think we're doing and our minds might jump to based

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on statements but but I I agree it I I can speak for myself the the the role of government is in at our city is to uh protect people's individual rights

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so that we can live freely. not to provide a service, not to it. It It is that. And when we go through, okay, let's try to get to where we are, we go

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our deputies, extremely important. Protection, your house catches on fire, extremely important. Our wastewater treatment plant, our infrastructure maintenance, our roads, right? Those boring things. You go down the list and my logic has always been when we're

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doing a good job in all of those and then you get to things as council member Shorak said flooding, you got water coming into people's houses, you don't go and expand the way that we expanded at the rate we did while those core

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essential needs are suffering. Because I've had veterans on Orange Avenue and Johnson Avenue in wheelchairs with water coming in their house. And I look over here and I see this happening. I can't

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look at them with honest heart and mind and say there's nothing more we can do. And then we buy more property and expand more excess. I agree. in our little city, we can have a community center. It

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just got too big too fast and it just it's pushed us right now and and so we're trying to get a hold of it. I know the people love the community center. Um and and I think we have a council that's willing to look

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at it instead of just going raise taxes, raise taxes. Uh the saddest thing in the world in rights is when somebody loses their home because they c they paid for their house 15 years ago, 20 years ago, and they can't afford the growing tax

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bill. And so, uh that that's that's where we get out of hand. So, we can do it. I agree, Council Member King. We we won't do it if we if we start to divide and and point fingers and stuff. And I think we we can work together through

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this and come up with some ideas. uh that that can really help and again to overcommunicate selling property and and making big changes is not where I think anyone has communicated where we want to start. Um

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and and that's it. And so when we look at our budget and a lot of cities do zerobased budgeting, they start with the essentials first and they go, "All right, what else do we need?" And then there's a point where you're like, "All right, we're out of money. right? >> You can't go on to the next thing. And

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we we didn't do set budgets like that historically. We got in a room and we go this this this and we put up a bunch of items and uh that property purchase was a 3-2 vote. It was not a unanimous vote. It was extremely controversial.

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Uh and uh the C5 I think is one of the biggest things that woke up this community that didn't realize it was happening. and and I think since then our city staff has worked really hard to optimize it and to do the best and

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they're h sitting here today saying what does this council want us to do next and so I think we've got everyone working together and uh I I'm thankful and I appreciate your comments because uh it

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is it is something that people want But how it's getting funded today is straining the 95% of the people who don't use it. And that's always a dilemma in government. You know, just because you

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don't use something, I get it. It's we provide services at large. All these parks we have access to. But that that specific piece of money, if you had a heat map, is a is a hot spot. And we're

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just trying to say, can we flatten that? Can we ease that load a little bit? Especially when we have other critical services that really need our attention if the community center did have to change or in any fashion, but our community got safer uh

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and issues that were causing real life safety were changing, I I would feel good about that and I think we can do both. But thank you. Okay. Well, let's do this. Council member Shoryak, this was the item you

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submitted. Do we have consensus to I think that's what you're seeking? >> Yes. I I just want to see if the if council is on board with looking at alternatives to either, you know, reducing our losses is the big thing because I don't want to see us going into budget season. We've got to, you know, jack up our taxes. I don't want to

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see that at all. >> Yep. Neither do I. And thank you for >> and that's exactly where we're heading because the city's been spending way more money that takes in for years >> and now you know our what are coming home to rooster or whatever and we pay

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the piper. So I I I just don't want to see us with a big tax increase. I want to I'd want to see it lowered again for the third year in a row. >> And I just like to kind of add a little bit. We don't want to be in a position of panic. You know, you never make good

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decisions when you're up against it. And so, we're trying to get away from being up against it before that happens. And we're going to need your help. We We really are. I mean, you know, a lot of things are nice to have, but sometimes you can't afford them. So, anyway,

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enough lecturing. You see where we're at, and we're all on the same page. Thank you. >> And we're all residents. We're all at the end of the day, we got suits and ties. We're all neighbors together and so thank you. Um, okay. Does anyone

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oppose or or do we have I sense that we have consensus to very vague I mean look at opportunities >> look at everything. >> Let's make it our mission >> and uh as Mr. Prell said when I first heard this I actually was thinking about

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tangible property as well. And I would say I know our city manager and staff unprompted have already started doing that and you know vehicles and stuff. I've heard about departments helping each other out. So I want to thank y'all for taking those efforts as well and um

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I I believe uh that that's it uh for that item. Council member Shy. >> Yes. Public comment. >> Uh do we have more public comment? I do not >> I think >> I may just put something in.

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>> Oh my gosh. >> I'm sorry if somebody wants uh tends to speak. Did someone want to speak? >> Do we do we need to extend till 11? >> We do. We do. It's 10:26. Um and we're sort of running on formal

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here. Uh we do ask that if you intend to speak, please uh come forward. Had I known I was going to speak, I'd have dressed nicer, but I just came to listen. >> So, I will be quick. You know who I am. I was here a month ago, and I brought

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you the picture of me in the third grade at Cape View Elementary the year it opened in 1965. That school was packed full of students. I lived in Cocoa Beach. It was so full in Cocoa Beach that we had to create a

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new school. That was space. That's 60s. That's 70s. We had every doic style in Cocoa Beach and Cape Canaveral was a family, meaning mom, dad, and kids. Hence the reason we created Cape View

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Elementary. Uh here we are now and uh correct me if I'm wrong. We had a discussion not too long ago where I was told that 80% of the residents in the city of Cape Canaveral are not homestead exempt.

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Is that >> it's a Yes. >> Is that close? >> Absolutely. From my understanding. >> That means 80% of the homes here are not families anymore. They're second homes, their rentals, their Airbnbs, their Venos, their short-term leasing. So,

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there goes your kids. You don't even have a city that welcomes children anymore. I won't go on about Cape View, but closing Cape View was pretty much the end of the nail there. Nobody there's no reason to attract families here now. Uh even if you said we're going to take Cape View down and put

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residential families there, who would want to live there? And it's so conjunctioning in the fact that the space center went down to us in the 70s. My I was here all the way through the Apollo program and then you know the space center kind of quit off so people

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moved out. That left a lot of vacancies going on. But right now, here we are entertaining the idea of two rocket companies just going gang busters. And I assure you, well, oh, uh, Blue Origin just rented that lifelong office

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building over there. I would imagine that the managers, directors, and high-end folks or just the well- paid engineers would probably love to live in a city this close to the beach, to the space center, whatever. There's no houses here. They're all Airbnbs.

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They're all this that and the other. So now I segue over to C5 or Nancy Hansen. C5 I live what a 100 yards from C5 and I I remember what it was nothing but a playground. Two ball fields played on it

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all the times. My girls played Cape Canaveral back in the day had five little league teams. Cocoa Beach had seven. Now it takes both towns together to create one team. Why? There's no families here. we have taken this city

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and kind of making the support his comment. I don't understand that the term space in between right now all the people I know that I live it that grew up here our whole lives we consider the Airbnb city in the in the in between.

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We're not space related anymore. We don't have space families here anymore. So, when we start talking about generating revenue, Councilman Willis and I had a conversation a few months ago about I was telling him that I'm not

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a a silver sneaker because I am a Mayo patient and Mayo does not take any advantage plan. So, I cannot have that uh as a cancer survivor. So, I pay every time I go to C5 with cash myself who's

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lived here his whole life. Now everybody else coming by beep beep beep beep silver snaker. So be that. Renegotiate that if need to be. My point being is you're saying how many members we have. Does that members include all the snowbirds? Does that include everybody

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like me who comes pays cash? We know that there's an opportunity. Here's a group of people here that are there every morning playing pickle ball. It's a fantastic facility for aging people plus young people. Nancy Hansen kind of the same way. We play over here in the

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air conditioner soft floor because we're of age now. Nancy Hansen will be jam-packed every morning until about 10:00. Why? Because the sun comes up over the trees gets too hot. There are other cities. I'm not looking to spend more money. >> We need to wrap up.

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>> All right. There are other cities who have taken advantage of that and put canopies on top with solar panels and they're playing pickle ball all day long at a pay of this. Councilman Willis and I talked about how about if I gave you $150 every January 1st that when you

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give me a Cape Canaveral card, I can go to C5. I can go to Nancy. I can go to the library and you got my money up front $150 every year. We don't have that. You're talking about getting rid of places. That cake center is one of the most gorgeous floors I've ever seen.

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Been in there many times. How about this? I have been in this facility. >> We need to wrap it up. >> I've been in this facility many, many times. And only people here is me and Anna. >> There's a waste of space. Why would we make this a t-shirt shop? There you go.

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We don't need a city hall anymore. We just do it all by Zoom. Don't get rid of our town. Don't get rid of our amenities. That would that would be the death of the city. No, >> Mr. Mayor, we need to extend the meeting. >> If you don't mind, we need to handle a procedural matter and then we'll

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>> Are we going Are we going to try to hit this tonight? >> I'm going to go as uh Yes. And it'll be I think no more than two to three minutes. I'm not there's no way we can unpack it, but I at least need to make a a statement about it.

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>> Let's I make a motion we extend to 10:45 please. >> I second that. Got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member King to extend at 10:45 p.m. Any discussion concern? Okay. City clerk

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>> mayor Mayor Pro Tim Jackson >> four. >> Council member King >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. >> 50. We voted to extend a 10:45. And do we have cards from Just make sure

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that everyone please submits a card. >> Submitted. Thank you. The floor is yours. >> Thank you for your patience. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you very much for letting us speak. I appreciate that. My name is Linda Kulacino. I am a member of C5. I was actually one of the

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five women that started pickle ball at C5 when that building was built. We we're started at Cocoa Beach. We thought, "Nope, great building. Let's go over. So, we would cruise by different times. Beautiful gym empty. Nobody's

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there. So, we started playing people getting tours. Oh, they're playing pickle ball. Can we join you? You know, people working out. Oh, they're playing pickle ball. And it turned into what it is today. And I don't know if any of you have seen the crowds, but we but we've

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got I mean, we're crowded now. We get blocked on voting day. Okay, we understand that. But should it take two days for voting day or could we be more efficient when we set up and we tear down? No. We're at the mercy of the

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employees. When they show up, they show up. You know, you guys block us on days to have your parties. Okay? You're you're entitled to a party, but there's a great park outside. You know, those are ways that you guys, you know, the

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city, not you personally. And Council Member Shyak, I'm sorry. you got your job of being the one to bring this news. But when you block income, it's going to affect your bottom line. The council member asked, "Do we have a

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P&L?" I've run businesses. You should have a P&L every single month. You should be looking at your line items. What are your controllables? You've got controllables that you should be looking at and you should be addressing the minute they hit that P&L.

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You don't wait till, oh my gosh, we've been open, you know, it' be four years. Let's look at it. We're losing money. You're way late to the party, folks. You know, look at your fee schedule. If I go to Vero Beach, I'm going to pay eight uh $10

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for one day, you know. So, are we even? No, we're not. You know, somebody that doesn't even live in this country is going to pay the same amount that somebody who lives in Merit Island or Cocoa Beach the

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same that they're going to pay. That's not even fair. You know, we're catering to people who don't live here. And to Russy's point, the community that does live here, >> do we have a marketer? Do we have a marketer that's going out

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and telling people about this building? Are we trying to go? Are we going to the schools? Hey, we've got this great building. You've got a team. Do they need a place? You know, have activities that draw people in. I've been to community centers in other states.

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They've got puzzles in this room. They've got, you know, books where you can just go. Uh Rusty's talking about, you know, the people are not using it. The people that do live here, they're not using it because we're not giving them a reason to go into the building.

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If they don't play pickle ball or they don't lift weights, okay, I'll end. Why are they going? We've got to give them a reason. They get there, they're going to want to join. And we start building revenue. You don't close it.

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You figure out a way to make money. And it's there. Look at your rate schedule. adjust it accordingly. Snowbirds, I'm sorry, but you know, we love them, but they're not entitled and they're coming into our area

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thinking, I'm here, you know, get out of my way. >> Thank you. >> And I don't I don't agree with that. And I would love to have discussions about how we can make money and control, you know, the controllables at that

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building. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thank you. Thank you for what you do with the pickle ball and those comments were fantastic and I think this council fully agrees with everything we just heard is that's what we're trying to do and so thank you and I hope we do stay

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in communication and um okay I think that's all for the uh public comments. Um, and I know we let them uh go over a little there, but like I said, once I do it for one, I feel it's only fair to to

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go for all, but thank you, council, for your patience with me on that. All right. So, we don't have any other actions we need to do here. We had a great opportunity to hear from the public on the discussion item, okay, which is the end. Uh, and the the

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add-on agenda item due to time. It's 10:38. Um, let me just have a second here. Just want to explain this as briefly as I can. Um, there. Thank you. Somehow misplaced it

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and threw the flurry up here. Okay. So, this this is uh I'm I'm just going to give a a quick backdrop quote unquote Filillmore Avenue project started in 2223.

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It started going on the agenda in January of 24 because we were not able to resolve some some challenges. We had monthly updates in 25 made some tough decisions and then our goal was

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then uh this August to direct um to to resolve some issues and there was a point to where when we were putting it on the agenda like every month in 24 that the council decided hey

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we don't need to go over this at this point every single month. mayor who which I was at the time uh said why don't you for efficiency work with with council or the city staff

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when needed and uh bring updates and if any council member chooses to to know more you know obviously have the right to do that we implemented that it it worked well and then we got to a point to where recommendations were were brought to us in August so because we

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don't have time. I would ask first and foremost if this council can in uh the coming days to please uh review this to put it uh clearly I think what was directed in

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August and this is not anyone's fault or anything it needs clarity. I do not think that we have alignment on what is being understood as the direction and what's actually happening and the only

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path I I think I have is council per council's direction. So I as one individual can't direct anything and my goal today with a little bit more time was to clarify where I think there are misalignments. Had a great meeting today

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with city manager and city attorney. there are um some some updates and new information that I think now are are favorable. Uh but in short um I think

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it might need to be a standalone meeting uh or just an item because it it's it's we we've got we got some what I would say issues that I'm concerned about and

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my broad statement is I don't want to spend one taxpayer dollar on this. Not one. And one of the biggest clarifying intentions was the directive two is to go out and seek and use all means for recovery. My thought of approving this

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was that we would be aggressively pursuing that. But we we've we've gotten uh this project moving forward and I think getting some line of sight on how we're going to recoup is really important. I would ask this is

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that the construction was scheduled to start on Monday. Um I believe do we have an update on when it would it's planned to start back.

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>> I think it's ceased at this time. The construction was halted because we're waiting on the proper insurance information from the uh contractor, but as a result of um stopping today,

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actually yesterday, the contractor has removed his equipment from the job site and he has moved on to another job. and he basically told the city that when we determined when we need him back, let him know and he'll let us know if he can come back based on whatever his schedule

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is. So, at this point, we don't know when the contractor will be back. >> And we still have not received insurance verification. >> We we received a revised uh copy of it and it still needs a little tweaking. Um so there's no indication that he's not

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going to provide the insurance. It's just that um because of the delay and he has other jobs, uh he's he's moving on so he can pay his workers and um he'll be available to us when we say we're

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ready and he has the time in his schedule to do the job. >> And he knows we're not going to say we're ready until we see insurance. >> Well, that's part of the construction agreement. I mean, he has to provide it. Again, he's not not wanting to. It's just there's some misalignment, if you

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will, on exactly what we're needing, but uh he'll produce it. >> Well, I think the agreement was great. We directed city attorney to approve the form and city manager to execute. And thank you for having those provisions in there because >> there some potential um Thank you for

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that update. I I really can't um knowing that that's the that is uh the construction was starting and there were things that that was not adding up. And so if if I hear that correctly, I

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would ask council that my sense of the residents and and they can certainly speak is they want it done right, but honestly it's up to us.

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And when I say right, I'm saying not that anything is necessarily wrong. It's just misaligned. And I think we're going to have to bring this back. And I would my only concern is if construction is not proceeding, I've listed some of the

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items that I think would help. But uh and we would get alignment and clarify the direction before the project commences. And if we if if we're saying we're going to just pause, then then

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it's just a matter of meeting. Um and and I'll stop there. So, uh as long as we're not moving forward, we don't have any major issues today, but if that construction starts, I don't have the time tonight to explain them. But, um that's it. And I'll leave

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it there. Sorry. Hopefully, I wasn't writing on it. Okay. So, uh could we Is that yours? Could we um >> So, do we need to extend again? >> Well, if Yep, I think we would. I think

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five minutes. >> I'll make a motion to extend five minutes. >> Second. >> Got a motion by Coun Mayor Pro Tim Jackson, a second by council member Shoryak. Any further discussion? None. City clerk.

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>> Mayor Prom Jackson. >> Bour. >> Council member King, >> four. Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Shoryak >> four. >> And council member Wallace >> four. >> Extend five minutes. All support. Um I I would ask our city attorney if maybe

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help with this is if this council desires holding on advancing the project. The direction was to go and do this. Our city manager is moving in the direction. I think that that direction needs clarity. this council needs to

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approve that direction or go no it stays as is and they go that way but I and one person can't do that and so um city attorney if uh we could pause

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commencing until we have a chance to meet and um and I would just say specific to the construction not any other administrative responsibilities or loose ends, anything

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engineering or that could be done um so that we have time to convene and clar firm what's existing today or clarify and amend. So is there any

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concern with that of the council? Is it a week? Is it two weeks? >> Is the issue this guy's not providing the workers comp certificate? Is that because I saw the I saw the liability certificate in one of the emails, but we're workers. It's like a common thing. Every vendor you >> talk to, you say, "Let me have a copy of

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your insurance and your workers comp." >> Yeah. I don't have all the >> I don't understand why they wouldn't have that like >> Well, I didn't see there wasn't city wasn't named on the policy. The homeowners weren't named. The engineer, but I don't our city staff would be able to confirm that. It was uh

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I just shared concerns, not saying the workman's comp did not appear to be, but I do just find it troubling that they haven't quickly provided confirmation of that before. >> Workers comp was always there. The residents were notified that updated

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insurance would be provided to them on the 18th. The insurance expired on the 17th. It was renewed on the 18th. They were not provided a copy of it until the 20th. Their concerns were that we were proceeding with construction without

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being insured and that was not the case. They were always insured. Now, residents were not listed individually under workers comp, but this contractor has workers comp insurance. He's always had it. And the residents were notified in

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advance via email that he would be that this job would be insured in that manner. and that new insurance was forthcoming. They just didn't get it and see it before the first shovel of earth was turned, but it was effective on

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Saturday the 18th and construction began on the 20th. >> The certificate I saw said I thought it said that it expired on the 18th. >> It expired on the 17th and was renewed on the 18th. Friday was the >> we know it was renewed. That's

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>> We have the dates. We have the Tim, you want to come forward? Yeah. And I think that's what the residents were asking is, you know, >> there were a lot of things believed by the residents and communicated in an email by the residents that were not accurate.

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>> Okay. So, the insurance I explained to them that the uh contractor there's two different types of of things on the insurance. There's workman's comp which expired on the 17th and then there was your regular liability and everything else which actually expired

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on the 23rd of this month. >> Yes. >> The 17th he explained to me that it would keep on going but that he wouldn't be able to give me a copy until they renewed. Um so what happened was if you look at the new one with the city of

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Cape Canaveral as this as the holder it says 418 workman's comp. So what happened was 417 was the old date, 418 was the renewed date, and of course it's it's good for I think a year after that if I'm not mistaken, but all the other

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dates as well. 423 2020 uh 6 is now probably 423 2027. I don't have it in front of me, but everything renewed as of 417 418. So, how did Yeah, I'm I'm pulling the

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certificate you shared. And if I'm reading this, it says policy effective, policy expired. 418th it was effective and then 418 it expired for workman's comp line item. The other ones, just like you said, Tim, are uh

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expired on the 23rd. How do we That does not prove they have workman's comp on the work that's on the 20th, right? That's >> Well, it's as of the >> How did we know is my question that they had it on the 20th? Did they provide any

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proof? >> Yes. And I sent that out to the homeowners >> that I'm looking at. What? Well, maybe this >> 418 was the renewal. That's when it that's when it came back into for them to have workman's come. >> This says

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no. This says that I'm not saying no to what you're saying. I'm saying that's not what I'm understanding here. This says the policy started on 423 2025 and expired on 423 2026.

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Workman's comp, which is fine if they're starting on the 20th. They got 3 days, I guess, and then like you said, it would renew. Workman's comp started on the 18th, 2025, and it expired on the 18th, 2026. So if that was the only thing the

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residents brought up was that specific issue. Did we get verification? And if we did, I don't I didn't see that nor did I hear them say that they saw that we How do we know they had insurance on the

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20th when it says it expires on the 18th? That's the dilemma that I understand from the >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm pretty sure that the one that I sent over um as the city as the holder

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uh said that the starting date was 418 and the other ones were 423. I'd have to >> That's what it says. >> Okay. So, that's the starting date, right? >> And the end date is the exact same date a year later. >> 48. >> It should be 2027, right? >> Yeah.

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>> 26. >> No, it's 20. We're looking at 27. >> It's 2027. I'm going off the email that Tim sent out. The only thing the residents have to go off of. I don't know what your >> Can I I I'd like to ask a question. Did the contractor supply an insurance

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binder from the insurance agent or the insurance company? >> Well, we've always had insurance with the land of development. We've always been a a holder >> because they do so much work for us. >> Um this it was right there on the line

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of them having to renew. Uh, so what I ended up saying, I I sent them an email probably three weeks ago and said, "Can you send me your updated insurance?" They said, "Well, it's it's renewing anyways on the 17th. Can we just send it to you afterwards when it renews?" So, I let all the the homeowners and everybody

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know, okay, this is what we're doing. I'm going to wait till we get the renewed copy and then send you guys the renewed copy, which I sent at 9:17 a.m. on Monday of this week. >> Okay. what he's physically holding supports what you're saying. What I

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think was emailed out that the resident said this expired >> does not. >> That might have been the first one that I sent out. >> Okay. Okay. >> Just showing them they do have insurance and I Yes. >> Thank you. So, here's what I think. There's some updates. There are some things. This is evolving. New

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information comes. It's not starting construction tomorrow. No, >> it looks like we can kind of control. >> Okay. Um, I don't think we need to do anything else here today. >> Oh, the portallet is still there. >> I think it was removed today. >> Was it removed

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>> or I mean I don't know when it was remove it wasn't there. But if this council does not object, I'll just continue to to um >> we need to vote to extend again >> the city city attorney and city manager.

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And uh this council uh is okay with not directing or you know city manager is doing his job saying I was directed to get this done. Right. We are saying >> if we need to pause let's pause and I'll

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stop there. I think we can adjourn. I'm >> just keeping >> I I think we're all ready to >> Is it Does anyone No reports tonight? >> Nothing. >> No. Okay. Okay. Nothing of note. >> Thank you. If there's not anything else, city manager, city attorney,

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>> no. Thank you. >> Okay. City clerk's office. Anything else? If anyone chooses, let us know. Seeing none, meeting adjourned.