Good. How are you, Mr. Anthony? >> Good evening everyone. Today is January 20th, 2026. We are at the City Hall Council Chambers at 100 Pulk Avenue in Cape Canaveral, Florida. It is 6:03 p.m.
I call this meeting to order. And before moving on to the pledge, I just want to take a brief moment of silence. We are here tonight and the school board is meeting on u Cape View Elementary. I know that's weighed heavily on many of our hearts and minds.
And so 10 to 15 second moment of silence. Thank you. Thank you. With that, Council Member Shoryak, would you please lead us in the pledge? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. City clerk, please call the role.
>> Mayor Pro Jackson >> here. >> Council member King >> here. >> Here. Mayor Morrison >> here. >> Council member Shiaak >> here. >> And council member Willis >> here.
>> Council, thank you all for being here. City staff and everyone who's with us today. We are on item number four of the agenda which is to approve the agenda as written or with amendments. Council, any changes to the agenda?
I don't have any issue. >> I'll make a motion to approve as written. >> Second. Got a motion by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson and a second by council member Willis to approve the agenda as written. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, city clerk, >> mayor prom Jackson, >> four, >> council member King, >> four, Mayor Morrison, >> four, >> council member Shiaak, >> four, >> and council member Willis, >> four.
>> Thank you. We are now on item 5.1. This is our first presentation. We have a proclamation honoring Rey Lamar Russell. See uh Mr. Russell and Miss Russell are
here. Thank you for joining us tonight. I'm going to come forward here to the podium, read the proclamation, and if you'd like to come forward for a photo, we could. And of course, any words uh when we're finished. So, thank you again.
This is this is an official proclamation of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas Ray Lamar Russell, originally from Mville, Tennessee, relocated to Cape Canaveral in 1966
with his wife Mary, where they raised their family and earned his bachelor of science in electrical engineering from the University of Tennessee and his master of business administration from Stson University in 1971.
And whereas Mr. Russell's engineering career spanned from 1974 to 1991 in digital systems, space lab, and shuttle avionics in the Apollo European Space Lab, Space
Shuttle and Space Station programs by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, NASA, at the John F. Kennedy Space Center, KSC. And upon retiring he volunteered as a dosent from
1996 to 2011 at KSC's museum to the Apollo and Saturn program sharing his experience amassing Apollo missions from the 1960s and whereas Mr. Russell owned and
managed a consulting business for over 27 years and served as a guest aerospace lecturer at Bvard Community College in the city of Cocoa. And whereas in July 1974, Lamar began his volunteering
journey with the city of Cape Canaveral with encouragement of his neighbor, the late Nancy Hansen, where he served on the former city of Cape Canaveral recreation board for four years with her and Mr. Harry Rome which was institutional in the recreation complex
construction and was appointed as a planning and zoning PNZ board member in 1980 and subsequently as chair. And whereas during Mr. Russell's tenure as chair, the state of Florida Department of Community Affairs selected the city
to develop the first comprehensive land use plan, which received state approval and served as a model for local governments statewide. And whereas in 1999, Lamar authored lessons learned in planning and zoning published by the
city and provided detailed insights and historical context for the city's zoning codes and comprehensive land use planning now used as a reference. And whereas at the April 23rd, 2016 founders
day event, Mr. Russell was honored with a lifetime service award. And during 2019 to 2022, he served on NASA's alumni league and board member. And whereas with over five decades of dedicated
service and commitment, Mr. Russell and his family have left a lasting legacy exemplified by his memorable reflection. One of these days, time's going to go by. Now therefore, I, Wes Morrison, mayor of the city of Cape Canaveral,
Bvard County, Florida, do hereby honor Mr. Ray Lamar Russell who will go down in history as one of the pioneers who has played an instrumental role in shaping the city's history and on behalf of the community extend sincere
gratitude for his significant contributions throughout his lifelong work signed and sealed this 20th day of January 2026. Mr. Russell, if you come forward, I'm very happy
for your service. Sage >> please. >> I think on the record. >> Thank you. I was going to spare the audience of a speech and I will. Uh
gosh, where did all that time go? Anyway, we got a lot done and I appreciate the city giving me the opportunity to be of service. And it's not often you get to uh serve your neighbors as long as I got to.
We're only two square miles as a city. We elect our officials. We're literally governed by our neighbors. And so it's a fine small city that does good things with its infrastructure.
And I was happy to be a part of planning that and keeping it in place. But thank you for letting me serve. and it's rare to have people like you and your wife who's contributed so much to the city. The
book I referenced I'm holding here, Lessons Learned in Planning and Zoning. It is one that I I've read, I've went back to and uh blessed to have the opportunity at times and to even reach out to Mr. and Miss Russell and ask what
happened here, how did we get here? Just a wealth of knowledge, but most importantly, you both love this city and and we love and appreciate you as well. So, thank you. That was special. I appreciate it. And thank you to our city staff for helping
put that together. The ne the next presentation we have is a new city staff introduction. Mr. Rich Davis, our city engineer, city manager. >> Rich is here tonight to meet with the council and the public. Rich, u anything
you want to say to the council? >> That's a tough act to follow. and I couldn't think of it. Congratulations. Um it's it's um an honor to be chosen
to uh be an employee of staff this city and um you know I've met some really amazing people so far. Uh I look forward to meeting a lot more. And uh do you have any questions or
at all? anything. I'm sure I'm sure we'll have time to uh tag up. I know uh the mayor, we were in a meeting earlier this week and I've met I think all of you, but um yeah, once again, it's a pleasure. Um I
appreciate the opportunity and look forward to it. >> Thank you, Mr. Davis. I do have a question. Have we ever had in the history, maybe our city attorney knows, uh, an in-house and employee city engineer? Cuz as long as I've been
here, we've contracted that. Do you recall? >> Uh, during my tenure, I don't recall. And in house city engineer, >> as Lamar, >> he goes back a lot farther than I. >> Have we ever had an engineer, Lamar?
We had uh people who lived in the town and served as an engineer, city engineer, but I don't think we ever had a an appointed position. >> Thank you. So that we've had people that lived in the town and and served, but
never in an appointed position. And with that, we are very grateful. So, thank you for joining the team. And uh it is a uh it was great that we immediately started with a a project working, but thank you for being here tonight and we look forward to all the contributions
you're going to help make. So, thank you. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> Okay, at this time we are at public participation. Some of you have already filled out cards. Thank you all very much. If you do intend to speak tonight, we ask that you fill a speaker card.
They're uh at the front uh as you're walking in there. Uh we have 3 minutes. Uh the lights here in front of me will light up when it begins and the yellow light will come on when there's about 30 seconds left and we ask that you please wrap up when the red light goes off. And
the first card I have is Mr. John Benton. Um, I'm here because you guys won't give me a code reduction hearing and you have fired everybody that that was doing favors for certain
people. Mr. Morley was the one that got fired because he was favoritism people and you just fired him last year. He was doing it for the board and I was brought to my attention and I
I should let this go because there's no all these are all new board members. But if I'm if I'm correct, the mayor, you were on the board when you trespassed me for holding this sign out here protesting peacefully that Judge Crawford came out of the courthouse and
asked me to bring here because you guys caused a problem. And the problem would have never been here if it wasn't for the lawyer. if his attorney at the code enforcement hearing would have let me defend myself after
Kevin man who is now a pedophile groomer because his son was living in the warehouse adjoining my property and was on the sex offenders list. How many years was he claiming that he finally got arrested and you wanted
to fire Dave Dicki here lately? He's the only one to help me out. And if I'm correct, you guys had him sign an agreement that he wouldn't defame you. I've never even heard of that before. This the lawyer's fault.
Wouldn't even let let Kevin man get up after I testify. And he threw me under the bus. And I had a cop in my unit next to me renting my warehouse. And he was up there six 160 hours. And that was his comment working on the car. But the code enforcement
wouldn't ask him. Wouldn't ask him because she said everyone where I live and him would lie. Turned out Kevin man was a liar. And you could have put him in jail for testifying under oath about his son. So why don't the lawyers over here
explain to me why I couldn't defend myself? I say it's because I was sending emails to Judge Rainwater from that warehouse before you guys even accused me of it concerning pedophiles. I came forward in 1993, man, when nobody
else would do it. He got 5 years in jail. He was a preacher. He was a preacher. You didn't send a preacher to jail in 1993 for molesting children. And here it is, 93 all the way to over 2,000. I'm doing it again because I
missed them. So that I think it was because I went to a Jew school and that was the school I was sending about to judge rainwater. the others there and I think he found out because he was Jewish and he wouldn't call out his lawyer because she's Jewish.
Not let trying to chase somebody off from their warehouse. Where does that where does that sound familiar? Israel. They do that to the Palestinians. Almost every NATO country is called a genocide. >> Thank you,
>> Mr. Dennis. Bush Holtz. >> Dennis, are you with us today? Hey, Dennis, come on forward. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. First of all, let me ask forgiveness for
my casual attire, but 40 years of shirt and tie and jacket, I avoid it. I'm actually a resident of the city to your south, immediate south, but uh several of us along with several Cape
Canaveral residents come to your Hansen Recreation Center to play shuffleboard usually every Tuesday. And I'd like for the council to please go look at those courts. There's 12 courts, seven of them, the
mold is so heavy on one end, you can't play the courts. And the five that you can play the it's they're loose. They got hollows underneath. You got ridges. Your your your puck goes shuff bouncing down the court instead of sliding. And I
I'm hoping that you can do something about it because now we have people that don't come anymore because the courts are in such bad shape. >> That's really all I have to say. I hope you please look at it. >> Thank you. Thank you for bringing that
to our attention. >> Mr. Rusty Higgins says, uh, >> Yep. Hey, Rusty. >> Hey, how you doing? >> Good. Thank you. >> I don't really need a microphone, but if you want me to stand here, I will. >> We,
>> but I really don't need one. I'm I'm here because of Cape View and I know that the school board is making their vote tonight on uh the existence of Cape View and for no other reason than am I
here. I um my story begins in 1963. Actually, it begins in 59 when we moved here, but 63 I was attending a school called Cocoa Beach Elementary. If y'all ever heard of that, you will. Uh I
started the third grade in 1965 at Coco Beach Elementary. Now to think geographically of how these two towns and this comes into play with the school board talking about busing and moving kids. Uh I lived on Bahama Boulevard.
If you know where that's at, that's across the street from the Hilton. That's how far down in Koko Beach I was. assuming that the city line is somewhere around Dunkin Donuts, whatever, by Avon
by the Sea. um in I 65 we went to school in the beginning of the year in September and they told us third grade that everybody from an uh Antigua if you're that's one south of Bama
everybody from there north will attend a brand new school called Cape View Elementary 1965 and I brought my class picture from 1965 King View Elementary. I'm in this
picture. >> Uh the the deal is the what I want to communicate is I don't know that you're going to be able to win the battle of the dollar of keeping these schools open. What we concerned about being Cape Canaveral residents is that'll give us
zero schools. Koka Beach has four schools. So be it because remember I don't I don't recognize the geographical difference because I grew up on Bahamas which is way in Cocoa Beach yet we still came to Cape View. When I came to Cape
View Elementary we would stand out back and we would see the Cape Canaveral kids come down this sand path in between the trees to come to school. That sand path is now called Richwood Avenue. It was sand at that time and kids came.
Another trivial story about be going to Cape View in ' 65. I see now when they talk about tornadoes in the Midwest and they make the kids get in, we had to have an exercise of getting under our desk, hands above the head, under
our little desk. And you would assume that was for tornadoes or hurricane. No, it wasn't. It had directly to do with the Cuban missile crisis. They were teaching us at a young age to attend there. So, as much as I want Cape Cape
View to stay open, I don't give a damn about that. As much as I want that to stay open, I realize the dep the deal is >> I'm a graduate of Cape View Elementary. My children are graduates of Cape View Elementary. My grandkids are graduates of Cape Element. That's that's the
solemn part that we would like to hang on to. As a resident, don't you know I'm really concerned what you're going to do with that piece of property. Really concerned because that's a that campus is a lot bigger than the brick and mortar as y'all well know. Thank
you. >> If you'd be willing to allow us to get a photograph of that. I would love to see it, but we would definitely with your permission like to make sure it's on the record. >> You'll have to be able. >> So, which one is you? I'm the only one that's unorthod.
>> Oh, you're going to leave it up. >> Wow. >> 1965. >> The first that probably 3 months after KPU open and it's going to make me cry when I see it close. >> Thank you for bringing this in. This is
really special. >> Council member Willis is guessing you're right up front. >> Hands apart. >> Is that you? >> Yeah. this. >> We'll pass it down there. Thank you for sharing that with us. And >> I hope it I hope it works, but it is
what it is. And >> I just hate the fact that we're going to lose the school. >> We agree. Thank you. >> Miss Shannon Roberts. Dr. Roberts. Shannon Roberts 703 Saloni Shores Drive here in the city and I'm just going to
list a few subjects and I won't elaborate but just to make sure that we're noting them. I know in prior council meetings we've been concerned about the electric bikes and I just wanted to give an observation as a short drive resident that goes down North
Atlantic fairly often that the electric bikes um frequency and quantity is mainly on Saturdays and Sundays. We did have a uh sheriff uh deputy that was there during a weekday which was very appreciated. But I just thought I would
mention the frequency appears to be on Saturdays and Sundays that we have a fair amount fair number of electric bikes that go up and down North Atlantic. If I could just mention that. Another thing is we've talked about walkable having a walkable community and
I know um this will sound familiar for PNC. You know, one time North Atlantic was envisioned to be you know a strip of places where we'd have small shops and places where people could go. And I just wanted to acknowledge again today um
there were about a hundred hundred pedestrians that were going down North Atlantic. And I say that because it was up and down North Atlantic that appeared to be coming from the port. And I just wanted to mention they're finding the city I guess maybe looking at the residents or whatever if they're coming
from other countries maybe to be of interest. So, I know at one time we talked about having a directional community where we'd have samples of things that visitors might if they were walking our community might find of interest and have a map for the city in that regard. So, I wanted to mention
that. Another thing I was out at the space center today and part of the conversation was the LNG um development that there's a lot of concern about the potential adversary effects on the community and I'm not sure that the city has researched this
yet and probably has but I just wanted to see if we were going to take a position or at least get some public input on that to see if we could acknowledge some of the concerns the residents have about that in particular. they were worried
about um smell that that was the thing that was discussed and again this was an informal discussion today at the space center and the other thing was the impact of the launches I know they approve the larger vehicles to be
launched from here but to advise the city or the residents that are along the beach side since we are having more launches what do we do if we have an impact to the buildings and windows you know, the structures and the windows if there might be some guidance that we
could benefit from from the city as it relates to that because it's envisioned that we're going to have more of a significant impact than we've experienced to date. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That is
all the cards that I have. If anyone intended to speak, I'm going to make sure I didn't overlook one. Come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation. And thank you, Dr. Roberts. We got some
notes here on those things. We'll follow up. So, thank you. Okay. Okay, at this time we are at item number seven with our manager's m matters from our city manager. Mr. City Manager. Thank you, mayor. The first item is the
city hall air conditioners and we've been making significant progress on selecting which manufacturer uh looking at who's going to do the software installation that must coincide with that um unit being put on there and um what kind of timeline that we'll
have. So, we've selected a a manufacturer. We think we'll see some cost savings, additional cost savings potentially uh from what we originally budgeted for this uh project. And uh we're looking at about a 13-week timeline for from beginning to end,
potentially starting sometime in April. Uh but we know that we our goal is to have that equipment installed before hurricane season season starts in June. Um so we're still working out the details when it comes to um the placement of vehicles outside, how much
parking will be displaced, the what type of adverse impact it will uh create to the work environment, if we're going to implement any work from home, if so, who and when, those types of things. So we'll keep the council informed, but we we are making steady progress and uh Lisa has been doing a great job as well
as the rest of the team to get that up and running. Um the splash pad at the uh C5 has passed all of its health department inspections both at the state and the county level and um it um
enabled us to open up right on time for this wonderful weather that we've been having outside. Uh we we talked about when to open it up, but it's a it's a public amenity. Whether it's hot or cold outside, it's it's open for business. And so the the public, if they so
choose, can enjoy that amenity. Uh but it is open. We had uh a walkth through with the Lunge Group, our contractor who's uh going to be um doing some work for us at the Nancy Hansen Recreation Complex. And
the initial walkthrough is on February 12th. And we are in the design phase of this project. So, uh, after taking that, uh, team through, uh, the facility to get their thoughts, we're still waiting to hear back on on what it is that they can do for us work-wise. So, we'll keep
you posted on that. And, um, finally, we have the digital court recording software installation report to give you. Uh, on January 5th of this year, the digital court recording software was installed in the chambers with upgrades to the latest version. And this will
provide audio and video multi- channelannel recording uh to be available to the public for access. It'll integrate with the city's meeting agenda, accessing specific discussion topics uh after the meeting, automate the agenda with ADA assisted listening
and sound reinforcement and archive the recording in keeping with legal records retention. So, um, we're pleased to give that update. And, uh, along with that, I'll talk about Laser Fish because we did, uh, discuss back in April of last year, uh,
at the council's regular meeting approved upgrading our our current records management software, LaserFish, to the cloud. And on November 18th, the city was notified of the plans to migrate to the cloud which was performed successfully uh during the middle of
last month and users were able to access some of the records and staff is currently planning in the planning stages of working uh with another provider to provide scheduled records management training for its users. So moving forward with that
the city personnel updates uh see uh we've already covered the engineer position. Uh we have interviewed uh records management specialists to fill the one vacancy we have there and uh we are on the decision making phase. We
have some finalists and uh there's going to be a job offer coming soon to somebody. Uh the vacant facilities utilities mechanic position has been filled. We're happy with that new start and uh we just started to um interview for the vacant code enforcement
position. We did interviews today and we have have some scheduled for this week. The next item is the MUK project and I did get a chance to brief all of you uh on some one in some oneonone meetings.
We are, and I'll begin this by saying we are 2 years away from seeing any physical activity out there, but we're bringing it to the council's attention and the public's attention because uh it is a significant project that the county
has um hired a contractor for to accomplish uh to the tune of $66 million. It's not just here uh off the coast of uh Cape Canaveral in the Banana River, but it's also uh just off the coast of um Cocoa Beach to our south.
And um you can look up muck for those who don't know what it is, but it is uh in the bottom of the river and it's it grows it uh you know, storm water runoff contributes to it and it either needs to be removed or capped uh with some other um you know material which in this case
would be sand. And so, uh, we are in the beginning phases of this. We've been, uh, contacted by the county on a couple of different occasions. We've had four interactions with them since July of 2024. And, uh, our next visit with them will
be do actually do a site visit at the Manatee Park where we look to do the staging of the sand. Um, so we do invite the community to pay attention to this project. We will continue to keep the council informed and we recommend that at some point the council select a date
and time to have a a public workshop uh during the evening potentially so that we can get as many citizens uh to attend to go over all the details because this will be an impact to the community especially with the number of dump trucks that will be coming in with the sand. So any questions on that before I
move on? Council, >> think we're okay. >> So, internship program update. I think the council uh knew that we applied to the Florida City County Manager Association for a $10,000 grant uh to
initiate a internship program. Uh they selected four cities in Florida. Unfortunately, we are not one of those cities selected. So, we will not be benefiting from that grant. However, we are moving forward with the startup with our internship program. We've done internships before, but we're
formalizing them now with a policy and procedure and actual job descriptions to account for the various different interns that we can entertain. And uh we have a very interested uh person coming up. So uh we look forward to continuing to move on this program.
And uh the next item is impact fee schedule update. And I'm going to turn the microphone over to John Deleo, our finance director, and he can let you know where we stand on that. John, >> uh just a quick update on that. We um met with Raf Tillis who we identified uh
because uh they had we're going to piggyback on another contract but uh Rafillis has done these studies before and this has to do with the impact fees. When we met with them, it was to identify the scope because they asked us, well, what do you want it to uh contain and it's going to have to do
with commi community development impact fees, building fee impact fees, which will be the scope of the project. So, um we gave them all the details on what the city uh will require. Now, they're going to go ahead and um come back to us
hopefully in a week or two uh with um you know, a proposal where uh they'll show us exactly what they're going to do. We expect this uh impact fee study to be between 70 and $90,000.
Um although that sounds like uh it's a lot of work on behalf of the consultant of course but that might sound like a lot of money but the return um will be much greater uh and it's something the city needs to do uh
community development had looked and saw where our impact fees here at the city are among the lowest among cities in this area in the county. So we need to bring in more revenue. That's one thing council has directed us to do uh is look
at new revenue sources as we move forward and we need to do that. This is one of those revenue sources and um with the approval of council you know we'd like to move forward and this year even though it wasn't budgeted but it was
spoke spoken about um getting these studies done and um if we had to fund it it would come out of our contingency. Um, so we have the contingency dollars to do that. Um, and once it did start, probably
would take could take 120 days. So if it started in March, that'd take us to June. Uh, but it's important um that we get this thing rolling because the city needs the money and it'll take a lot of um pressure off some of the other
expenses we have. So, we're looking forward to that. If you have any questions, Council member Willis, John, are you looking at uh any of the legislation like Senate Bill 548 that is going to limit
where we can go with the impact fees in a phased approach? >> Yes. And um in that respect, we're going to be um the uh contractor has been doing these studies and is um familiar
with that and uh he will be uh briefing us on that and we're going to see where we land. But I'm I'm optimistic that uh you know, if we do this study, it's going to be a a big help to the city of Cape Canaveral
in terms of revenue. as we keep incurring impact fees, we'll get paid more money for it. And that's what the city why not why shouldn't the city of Cape Canaveral reap the benefits of greater fees uh just like all the
other cities in the county? >> Well, the the legislation that's been out there or introduced recently is going to limit how high we can go at any particular time. >> So, it's going to be a stepped approach,
>> right? basically >> handcuffs us. >> It it may, but then again, the it still may allow us for our revenues to at least earn that fees to go higher. Maybe not this high, but as to get as high as we could, so it'll benefit all the
people in the city. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you, John. And one final note for the council. >> City manager. I just want I'm so sorry to interrupt. Did you >> I just >> Or anyone else want have a qu I think we got a couple more questions if that's okay.
>> Mayor Tim Jackson. >> Um what was the name of the vendor again? John >> Ruff Tillis. They've actually done our you uh utility studies in the past. Um but they also do impact fee studies. They do actually do do a an array of of
studies. Um and uh they've been they've been very reliable to the city and we we we went ahead and studied this and they uh there was a um another study they did at a city major city and it um so we we
looked at that and so it' be like piggybacking off of >> and when they provide you with the information as far as um the bid for the study and that kind of thing. I personally would love to see how it does
work with legislation where we can go as high as we can. If it's going to be a phased approach, then they'll make us potentially go down and down and down from there. But, you know, being able to get the most bang for our buck until it's phased. Once we get that
information, each council member is going to be able to look at that and uh we're going to we're going to share that with council of course and and then I'll ask all those questions and I'm hoping for more dollars than less. >> Okay. Thank you,
>> Council Member Shiking. >> Thank you. Um these impact fees, did you anticipate that these fees will be affecting our residents? they'll be impacting on our residents or are they are you looking at impact fees
outside of the residents here or both? >> Um I want to get the information on the scope and uh and then I will be able to give you a very accurate answer on that because I don't want to get anybody startled but I don't believe this will startle anybody. >> Thank you.
>> But I'm going to give you an accurate answer. Let me get the information. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> I just have Thank you for this update. Is this something if the hearing it's coming out of contingency the the proposal or the presentation the proposed agreement that would come to
council before we approve it? I know we're trying to move with the >> Oh, absolutely. prior to the budget. >> Absolutely, Mayor. >> Yeah, we're not Yeah, we're not we're not just uh rubber stamping it. Would all councils going to be briefed on this thoroughly and then we you council can
make a decision if they want to go ahead and spend the dollars in this year or maybe you decide you know if you tell us to delay it then we'll put it in the uh 2627 budget. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Mayor Perim Jackson,
>> I'm sorry. I'm asking another thing piggybacking off what uh council member Sha King said. Um, so they'll give us the information in regards to, for example, impact fees for a development.
>> Yes. >> Versus single family homes and residents, that will be kind of the way that it's broken down. Correct. >> That's correct. And and of course when these things occur, uh the way it
increases our revenue is that um when you get these impact fees, they're dispersed throughout a services through the the city like police, fire, general fund, library, uh parks and wreck, everybody gets their piece of the pie, but that piece of the
pie will be bigger than it normally would be because we're trying to increase the fees. Well, and we have had a problem in the past with our impact fees because we had a lot of development on the north end of our town and we don't have the reserves from impact fees
for things like our water processing plant update, you know, and things of that nature. So, I can see where we need those. Um, but I was curious, I wanted to make sure and mention that it would be broken out in those areas. >> It would be. Yeah, it'd be very
specific. >> Okay. And what about with community development? >> Um, community development, whatever. That's another thing. Let's just say that there's a lot of pieces to this. >> Okay? >> So, when I get that study, it'll be
broken down. Community development, building, >> it it's going to be very specific. And that's why it takes so long to do this study because they're going to ask a lot of us and then they're going to put all these different numbers together. and um
then we'll go from there. It's pretty it's pretty in-depth study. So, >> Okay. And that's that gives us a little bit of an idea of what we're looking at. So, thank you. >> Okay. >> Yes. Council member Willis. >> John, do do you have a date for the last time we updated impact fees
>> and that's it. I've been with the city for 13 years. This is the first time I've seen an impact fee. Um before that, I'm not sure. Um, now I'm talking impact feed for building and community development because we've done um since I've been
here, we've done at least two utility studies, you know, waste water or storm water. We've done that and we'll be doing another one of those next February. It'll be time to do it again. But as far as as far as uh impact fee
since I've been here, no, this is um this first time I've ever experienced it. Well, I I won't ask, Mr. Russell. >> We'll let Mr. Russell pass on this one. So, I >> I think we might have I know we definitely changed the terms of impact
fees were 100% due and then we did commercial and residential, but >> I thought we did we increased impact fees around 20189. I could be wrong. Um those are the things we'll learn. So yeah, thank you for
>> bringing it and it uh I remember the utility. >> I'm not aware of any study on them to your point, but it was very comprehensive that what they provided last time. >> They ask for a lot of data and there's a
lot of estimating and going on and predicting into the future what's going to happen things you can't predict of. Right. Right. inflation, COVID, those things those couldn't be predicted.
>> Any other questions, council? Thank you. And thank you. >> Thanks, >> city manager. >> Well, just one final note. Thank you, mayor. Um just a reminder that the council moved to February the site plan ordinance um discussion and second reading. And I
would just encourage all of you to get with our city attorney with your questions and concerns so that we can make sure that we get it right uh in February. And if you need any backup documents from the previous discussion, just let the clerk know and she'll get them to you. >> And that's it for managers matters.
>> Just a couple of small questions on your manager matters. First of all, thank you so much on converting to the cloud. Congratulations. >> Will the old software be accessible, usable? Does it sync up or is this something we won't because I think it's
still on our computers and accessible? >> As I mentioned at the April meeting last year that um it's no longer going to be supported by NCCI. So, >> thank you. and
the DCR uh digital recording update. Um you talked about it updating with the agenda. Is that sort of one of those things where you can go to a PDF agenda online, you could click anywhere on the agenda and it will
sync up and take you to the recording. So residents could say, "Oh, I want to hear about this item." click on it and it'll >> it will act as a bookmark. >> And um right now I'm looking at the video uh with John whereby they're
controlling um you know um capturing the speakers more or less. But hopefully um as we move forward we're going to get tiny bit of training and um uh hopefully that will be on the website working with
staff on that. So, um, it's going to take some time, but hopefully once it gets on, then we'll notify you all. >> Great accomplishment. Thank you very much. And again, thank you for the update. Any other questions, council?
>> With that, that completes the uh manager matters. That's something we've started since Mr. Touchberry, our new city manager, started in August, and I just want to say I greatly appreciate it. So, thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you.
This time we got the consent agenda. It's a short one tonight. Item 8.1, which is the approval of minutes. Council, I think you should we should have all received the revised minutes. There's no issue. We can move forward with that. >> I'll make a motion to approve the
consent agenda. >> Mr. Mayor, I'll I'll second the motion. But I did want to say too that with our poet laurate, I wanted to thank you for the submission about the city of Cape Canaveral that you did. Um, and I look
forward to seeing you work. One of the things within the job description itself is um, working within this generational gap that you because we do have an older um, population here. So, thank you. so
much. >> I think we're going to be getting to that one. 9.2. >> Okay. >> But yes, got a motion by Council Member Willis, second by Mayor Proim Jackson. Mayor Pro Tim, is there anything else?
>> Any other discussion to approve item 8.1 the minutes? Seeing none, city clerk, >> mayor prom Jackson, >> four. Council member King >> four. May Morrison >> four. >> Council member Sharia
>> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. >> Consent agenda 8.1 passes 50. We are now on to the item for action. Item 9.1. Yes, Dr. Roberts.
>> In my card I asked to speak on this 9.2. >> Okay. I'll make sure that you have an opportunity. >> We are not. We're at 9.1. and we are as close as we've ever been. So, thank you. This is a resolution number 20261,
which is a grant contract agreement with the water reclamation facility emergency shoreline enhancement. This is a big one. It is a uh I think we've all had the opportunity to read through it and uh the total amount
from the Florida legislature of $4,757,900,000. It's a funding agreement we need to approve from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. I'll uh ask our city manager if there's anything here. This is a probably the
most lengthiest part of our agenda. Thank you for getting all this information over. >> You're welcome. And you summarized it well, mayor. I would just offer that Zach IILZ from the resiliency division is here to answer any questions that you may have. He's been involved in this
project as has Tim Carl from the start. >> Council, any questions on the proposed resolution 20261? Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, Mayor Perim Jackson. >> Mine is not a question as much as a
comment on page um 19 9 of 14. There's some new legislation um in regards to authorized employment, how the subcontracts and sub awards are
handled and that sort of thing. I just wanted to let council know that I had discussed that with um our city manager and he's going to be in um investigating how to ensure compliance with any of the new legislation within the contract
itself. >> Thank you. Mayor BM Jackson, >> I want to comment. Thank you. In the agenda summary, there was uh three points of why the council should adopt the resolution. Maybe I overlooked it. I've never really seen that format, but that's that's very much appreciated.
Thank you for putting it together that way. Uh and it really helps us, I think, communicate to the public as well. Any other comments on this? If not, looking for a motion to adopt. >> I'll make a motion to adopt resolution
number 202601. I'll second that motion. >> Got a motion by council member Willis, a second by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson to adopt resolution 20261. Any further discussion?
I just want to emphasize a big part of the resolution is giving thanks to Representative Tyler Soy and Senator Randy Fine and uh in the legislature and obviously Governor DeSantis for signing this and thanks to all who were a part
of it. Council member Willis, I know you were a part of it and all the city staff. So, thank you again. >> There's not any discussion. We'll go ahead and city clerk call the role. Mayor Prom Jackson, >> four. >> Council member King, four. Mayor
Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Sha Yak, >> four. >> And Council Member Willis, >> four. >> Resolution 20261, passes 50. The time has arrived for 9.2. Dr.
Roberts. This is resolution 202602, city of Cape Canaveral, honorary poet laurette appointment for Mr. Luke Azel Haron. >> If you'd like, please. You said you wanted to speak to this matter.
>> That's okay. >> Yes. >> He did for the record. I think Dr. Robert said that uh Luke is here who is uh seeking the appointment for poet laurette which we appreciate honorary poet laurette uh and
as mayor proim Jackson had alluded to earlier um we've had a couple of meetings and some timing issues but we really appreciate Luke he since then from the first uh agenda I guess it was a month or two ago has put together a
poem for the city. Luke, if you're here, if you'd like to come forward and say anything, if you'd like to share your poem, I'd like to give you that opportunity. Thank you.
I'm just going to That's okay. Okay. >> It's important for it to go in the reg. >> Yes, sir. >> Um I actually wrote two. Uh so here's the first one. It's called Cape Canaveral and it goes, "Where the shoreline meets the future, where the
dunes hold whispers of stars, Cape Canaveral rises quiet at dawn, yet loud in possibility. Palms sway like slowmoving clocks, counting down breaths of morning, as
waves practice their endless hymns against the patient sword of sand. Here, air remembers fire. It carries the echoes of engines of men and women that have served our nation.
Our thunder has lifted humanity beyond gravity's grasp close to the sky's eyes and inside of war torn countries. But there is gentleness, too. The sea turtles who carve their stories
into moonlit beaches. We must preserve the quiet hours when the town feels like a grand cathedral. Cape Canaveral is a promise that everyone of us can be dreamers and
explorers because here we have countless who serve to guard our horizons and because here mankind has learned to extend them. Thank you. All right. So that's the first. Thank you. All right, the second one, thank you
very much guys, is let the children remind us of how we used to be. And that one goes, teach them not like saints, but like the world is a busted bar stool and they deserve better than the splinters we sat
on. Let them walk ahead. Let them walk ahead. Small boots kicking dust, owning a future we were too tired to imagine. Show them the gold they're already carrying. That quiet ember inside they haven't been yet told to kill.
Search for their rubies to help them make crowns. Our children need to see their shine. For youth who know their strengths are beyond limitation. Let us find the children's immaturity since it is more meaningful than the
facades we have. the genuiness, their crave for understanding, the passion in trusting and ideiation. And let the sincerity strike Cape Canaveral too like a memory we've misplaced.
And when their laughter breaks open our air, raw, bright, unashamed, let us embrace it and recall how we used to be. The maturity and innocence, the beauty in untamed ideas,
the idealism in laughter. Thank you. Thank you. >> I really appreciate. >> You're welcome. We appreciate you. So, this is uh yes, item 9.2, the honorary poet laurette. We have a resolution to
uh which calls for a motion to consider appointing Mr. Luke as a haron as poet laurette council. >> I'll make a motion to approve Luke >> and you say the rest of that >> the resolution.
>> I'll second resolution 20262. >> All right. Got a motion by Mayor Pro Tim Jackson, a second by council member Willis to approve resolution 20262. Any further discussion?
>> Mr. Mayor, I have a question. >> Yes. >> Um, how long does this um honorary position extend until? Is this a one-year position? Two years. >> Two years. >> It's two years. Yeah. >> Thank you, city manager.
Any further discussion? >> I would like to encourage Mr. Luke to write some more about Cape Canaveral. So, >> yes, >> today. >> And Luke, you got a lot of support out there. Some folks had emailed and and and sent their their support for you.
And I see a group there around you. So, thank you all for getting involved and supporting. It's a uh we we voted on business of the city and a lot of tough issues and it's it's a nice dynamic to have this as a part of us. So, thank you. I see you raising your hand. If
you'd like to come forward, we do ask that you speak in the microphone to go on the record. Folks, we record the meetings and some folks Yes. >> Um just real quick, my name is Lauren White. the current host of the poetry
show at the Cape Center. And I just want to say as a a testament to uh both the Cape Center and the show and the arts in general, all the folks that are here that have read in the show or are supporting Luke, like just show hands.
Everybody that's been in the show that's that and and in support of Luke, we appreciate you. And um so I'm thankful to Molly for letting me start the show and this opportunity for us to combine it with the the program. Luke's been great ever since he first came. And
you're also seeing some of our our first timers that have participated in the show, some of our our seasoned folks, um folks publishing books, um the arts are healing. They're beautiful. So I just want to give note to the crowd that we have here and say thank you again.
Thank you. And I think a bit relevant especially as you just shared a poem about obviously Cape Canaveral on children. Uh I had the opportunity to do the keynote speech for a Cape View elementary sixth grade class last year and it was such a special cool
opportunity and I didn't know what I was going to speak about but I remember going back to my sixth grade year one of the toughest assignments was memorizing if by Redard Kipling. if you can keep your head when all about you. Don't worry, I'm not gonna recite the whole poem. But to this
day, I I love that poem. I reflect back on that poem. It it it's a great reminder. And so, um just sort of relevant with everything going on right now is some emotional decisions with Cape View, but that was a one of the special things that we got to do here in
the city. And so, uh poetry is interwoven in and what we do and uh it just sort of reminded me of that. So again, thank you, Luke. Uh, we've got a motion and a second here on the floor. If there's any no further discussion,
we'll go ahead and and move forward. City clerk, >> may prom Jackson >> four. >> Council member King, >> four. Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shiak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four. Resolution 20260
passes 50. Congratulations. Thank you. >> Congratulations. We are now moving on to item number 9.3 which is a joint workshop with culture and leisure services advisory board and city council. Mr. City manager. >> Uh yes mayor. This is an item that came before the council briefly but got
tabled to this meeting. uh the uh culture and leisure services advisory uh committee is still wanting to have a workshop with the council and they're proposing uh February 3rd I believe as a date and u Molly uh Thomas is here to
answer any questions you may have about the need for this meeting and and what you hope to accomplish. >> I'd actually like to provide um some additional information. We did poll our um our board members. We are up to six
now with the appointment of Miss Stant at uh last month's meeting. >> That's great. >> Um so I have updated numbers. The only day that uh 100% of our currently seated board would be able to participate is
the Tuesday, February 3rd that was discussed. And this is a workshop so quorum isn't necessary but of course the more people that can participate obviously the better. Um, there are two other dates where we have all but one person. So, I wanted to allow you guys
to the opportunity to consider those as well because it's hard to be like, "Here, take your pick." Uh, but there's only one day. Um, so Tuesday, February 10th and Wednesday, February 11th, we would have all but one of our currently seated members. So, those are two other
dates you could consider as well. >> And the first one you I'm sorry, one more. uh Tuesday, February 3rd, which is in two weeks from today. So that would be pretty expedited in terms of coordination on the back end and agenda
development, but nothing's impossible. And then Tuesday, February 10th, which is 3 weeks from today, and then Wednesday, February 11th as well. And our board typically meets around 5:30. So late afternoon is is normal for for
them. >> Great. Thank you. Tuesday, February 3rd, we will have the opportunity to meet with the entire board. >> Yep. All >> and if that is uh
not possible or we're not able to do that, we got the 10th and the 11th about a week later where all but one. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, councel. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, Council Member Willis. I would prefer Tuesday, February 3rd, if that is
acceptable to the rest of council. >> Yeah, that that's the best date for me. I think the 10th will we have the lighthouse tour and all kinds of other stuff. So, but >> yeah, I can't compete with the lighthouse tour. >> Oh, sorry. >> Sorry.
>> The third is fine for me as well. >> Works for me. >> I'll make it work. I don't have that calendar again. I've got too many calendars. I'm sorry. Okay. So, uh
I think we're we're looking for a motion to consider. This is great. I think we've got February 3rd as a day where we could potentially all be there. I'll make a motion that we set a a joint meeting with uh
on February 3rd with Parks and Recreation Community Affairs. >> Second motion. Got a motion by council member Willis, a second by council member Shoryak to hold the joint workshop on February
3rd, 2026, city council and the culture and leisure services advisory boards. Any further discussion? >> Did you pick a time? >> 5:30. >> Excellent point. >> You said 5:30 late afternoon to council.
Is that is that >> that was the understanding >> that's what time our board normally meets and 6 p.m. isn't a far stretch and that's what time your board also meets. So >> let's make it earlier. I mean 5:30 so staff doesn't have to stay here any longer than
>> so 5:00 p.m. >> I can I can do 5:00 p.m. >> I do 4:30. I can do 9 in the morning. I don't >> I could do earlier in the day. Yeah, I could too. I think >> yeah, the the poll that went out um the question that they answered was I am
available to attend an afternoon/ early evening workshop on the following days. So, afternoon early evening is what they were anticipating. >> Why don't we compromise and say 4:00? >> You won't hear a complaint from me. >> That works for me.
>> Mhm. >> That's great. So, we uh got the motion with February 3rd and we've discussed 400 p.m. Is there any further discussion? >> City manager, do we got it all? Thank you for catching that. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. City clerk, please call the
role. >> Mayor Prom Jackson, >> four. >> Council member King, >> four. Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shiaak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four. That's great. Thank you very much.
>> And I will be working with Es Esther to um get the agenda and everything out as soon as possible. So, >> will you please send a meeting invite for it? I think you're going to anyway. >> You and me on our calendars. Yep. >> Thank you. >> If it's not on there, it doesn't happen.
>> That's great. >> Looking forward to that. Which brings us to item 9.4. So items for action here which is a gravity sewer cleaning proposal. City manager. >> Uh yes, mayor. So the council we're
seeking a motion to consider approval for the proposal from Tetratech in the amount of $99,860 to continue the ongoing uh gravity sewer uh project which involves cleaning inspection and valuation for rehab. This
is phase three of a project that's been ongoing and here to discuss it. to have any questions. Our department director June Clark and Deputy Director Jessica Urban potentially whoever wants to come forward if needed. Council, any questions? Thank you, city
manager. >> Item 9.4. >> I don't really have a question, but I had something I wanted to say. >> Yes, please. as we look at moving forward with um looking at resiliency for our city with
the increased number of launches and the launches being heavier. Um this becomes an important thing because of the mapping that's going to be involved with this and the ability to inspect
the the pipes and that sort of thing. So, June, um, do you do you have anything that you'd like to add on that for council so they kind of understand Mayor? Um, no, it just that if we want
to be able to prove that our system is good and something caused it to go, we need to inspect it so we know that ahead of time. So that's why we need to GIS it now and do all the TBN of it. >> Then we have proof
>> and that is something that we're working at is um or baselining ourselves within the city. >> It's also required. >> Yeah. Well 712 >> that's a good thing to know as well. But there's a benefit other than just the
>> Yeah, it's actually required. We have required by the state to do this. So, we're just trying to get ahead of the game so it's not cost and when everybody has to do it, it's going to go up a lot more. So, that's why we're trying to do it now. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome.
Any other comments, questions on this item? >> Yes, Council Member Shy. >> Something is identified. I guess a question for Keith. If they do identify leaks, what's uh what do we do from there? >> Standard repair and replace process that we have, you know, that we have. Um we
always like to project ahead what we think our maintenance needs are going to be. So the money to repair or replace should be in our budget moving forward. If it's not, then we have other you can get a contingency if necessary. >> Thank you. >> And wastewater storm water is healthy
and renewal and replacement um monies. So, we've got a good bucket of money in each storm water and wastewater. So, um that's a good thing. >> Okay. We're going to identify it and then wait.
>> No, we're the dollars would be there for this particular thing. Wastewater and storm water >> are are in good good shape when it comes to those types of things needed. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Mhm. I do have a question, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, please.
>> Uh, it says, "The city has initiated an ongoing gravity sewer assessment and rehab program. Um, this would take place even if we weren't planning to um examine our infrastructure uh in the
face of possible um large rocket launches uh that might affect our infrastructure. this would be being done regardless or in tandem with it? >> Well, it's being done in conjunction with Senate Bill 712 and House Bill
1091. Um, those are laws that were passed that require us to do what we're doing, but the benefit of doing it now in advance of these rocket launches that we anticipate could potentially damage our underground infrastructure. We will have advanced data to look at and uh
we're gonna we're having continuing conversations about what that would look like. I've mentioned to all of you the possibility of coming forward next budget year with some equipment uh that we can camera our own lines and not have to, you know, borrow our equipment through a memorandum with um adjacent
cities and so forth. Um sewer is our is our primary service here and we want to make sure it's protected. >> Thank you. Any further discussion? >> Now, we're in item 9.4.
We will need a motion to consider the approval of the proposal. >> Can I put another question in? >> Yes, absolutely. >> So, this is phase three. How many phases are there total? >> This is the final phase. >> Yes, this is the final phase. Okay. So that'll that'll mean all the city's pipes will have been inspected at the conclusion.
>> I would defer to June on that, but she's saying yes. >> Okay. Thanks. >> It's a good question, >> Mr. City Manager. >> Yes, sir. on the uh time the schedule that's 150
days from acceptance. >> Yes. >> All right. >> So, Mr. City Manager. >> Yes, ma'am. that 150 days. Any way to expedite it? >> Can we expedite it? I think we're
probably at the mercy of uh our consultant and and the workload. I don't know if they have other contracts with other municipalities, but >> um expedite in advance of a specific date that you have in mind or >> well in in advance of a specific rocket.
Right. >> Yeah. >> That next new plan launch. Yeah. So, >> um I really can't answer that question. That would be a conversation to have
with the consultant to see at what rate and pace that they can move for us. We can follow back up with you if you like. >> That'd be great. Thank you. that >> I will make a motion to approve the gravity sewer cleaning proposal.
>> I second that. >> Got a motion by Mayor Perim Jackson, a second by Council Member Shay King. Any discussion? Council member Willis. >> I just had one quick question of June. Um, I understand that as they're doing
this inspection, it might um hinder or impede sewer service to a degree or cause some adjustments to sewer service. >> We we want to do it at night. That way we don't have to bring the pumps in.
Saves us like $54,000. Um, I I'll get more into it later, but it it's going to save a lot of money. It may be a little, but they're going to be in sections and we'd let everybody know ahead of time. It's not something we're going to pop on anybody. We'll put off,
you know, door knockers. We'll talk to people, get it on the website. >> Okay. >> But it'll be a lot cheaper if we do it at night because we won't have we won't have the flow going through the pipes. We won't have to stop the flow and bypass. >> Okay. All right. Well, I mean, that was just coloring my view of uh trying to
expedite if we can or can't. >> So, if we could do it at night, it'd be a lot faster than doing it during the day. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> That's all I got. >> That's great. Any questions? Anything
else? We do have a motion and a second on the floor to approve the proposal. Yes, we do. >> Thank you. >> Any further discussions? >> Seeing none, city clerk.
>> Mayor Prom Jackson, >> four. >> Council member King, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shiaak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four. Item 9.4 passes 50.
We're moving on to item number 9.5, which is manhole rehabilitations. City manager. Well, it's a big night for sewer. I'll say that. We're asking uh the council to approve the expenditure of $28,320 from the wastewater fund to rehabilitate
seven city sewer manholes and continuing our partnership with Max Environmental LLC by piggy backing on the competitive bid contract uh from the Sun and Lake of Sebring improvement district. And uh in the back of documents you can read to your heart's content about what happens
if you don't replace uh these uh we can cause incur serious damage as it um stems from the exposure to hydrogen sulfide gases over time the gas erodess the concrete interior of the manholes uh and that leads to several critical
issues uh operational risks risk flow disruption and structural repair or failure. So, we're trying to prevent all that by getting this contract approved. >> Thank you, city manager. Council, item 9.5, manhole rehabilitations,
$28,320. Looking for a motion to consider the authorizing and using those funds from the wastewater as their city manager said, from the wastewater fund. Seven city sewer manholes. That's great.
>> U Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we uh authorize the use of this uh $28,320 for the wastewater fund to rehabilitate the seven sewer manhole covers. And uh I think that this is a a a primary responsibility of the council to make
sure we don't have sewer backup. >> I'll second. Got a motion by council member Shay King, second by council member Willis. Great points. Any further discussion, questions, comments, city clerk,
>> mayor prom Jackson, >> four. >> Council member King, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Shiaak, >> four. >> And council member Willis, >> four. Item 9.5 passes 50. Thank you, council.
Which takes us to the public hearing. We have one item tonight. It is the second reading item 9.6 which is ordinance 092025 to abolish the board of adjustment. Mr. City attorney.
>> Okay. Ordinance number 09-2025 an ordinance of the city council of the city of Cape Canaveral Boulevard County Florida. Reassigning the duties of the board of adjustment to the city council abolishing the board of adjustment. Adopting conforming amendments, adopting minor technical amendments related to appealing staff interpretations to
council under chapter 110 and expiration of variance and special exception decisions providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions incorporation into the code severability and an effective date. Again, this is second and final reading.
Also a public hearing item. There have not been any changes since first reading. Um again, this ordinance is about trying to um simplify and streamline the city's development permit review process, particularly in this
case on this ordinance regarding um the variances and special exceptions and other responsibilities of the board of adjustment being reassigned to council. Be happy to answer any specific questions. >> Thank you, city attorney. This is ordinance 092025 as our city attorney
explained before we go to the public council as he asked any questions. He did say there were no changes from the last first reading. >> I had a couple. >> Yes, Mayor Pertim Jackson.
>> I have a couple for you, city attorney, just so I understand. So, page Seven of 17, line 19. >> Wait a minute. What?
>> Seven of 17. Line 19. >> What's the page? Oh, seven of 17. Okay. I thought you said 717. >> 717. >> I knew the ordinance wasn't that long. Okay. Go ahead. >> I didn't warn everyone. I've been drinking chory coffee. That's not Okay.
All right. So, um this this is a line that has been inserted uh in regards to meaningful work under the building permit. And
so that down to to 25. I just wanted a little explanation because it makes sense that we would, you know, look at meaningful work, but how would that how is that really defined? Meaningful.
>> Um, did you say starting on line 10? >> Line 19. >> Oh, 19. >> Sorry. >> Um, let me I was reading 10. So, um the the intent of that is to um add some clarification as to when a when
when a a development project has been considered abandoned or discontinued. Um so the additional language isn't is trying to do that and by stating that meaning that no meaningful work has occurred under the building permit for such period. Um, you know, it would be
up to the uh building official um to determine whether there was any meaningful work um that was uh performed in the construction of the project that's subject to the to the building permit at issue.
>> Okay. So, the building official would determine >> would make that determination on what what is meaningful. Um like really it's the bu build the buildings are or construction has to be you know done in a way that the construction that was
permitted progresses and there needs to be meaningful work uh demonstrated to the building official that the work is progressing regarding a project. and the context is under this
um provision of abandonment or discontinuence. >> Okay. >> So that's what the building official would be trying to determine in that particular scenario >> is >> did the did the did the applicant abandon or discontinue the building
being done under the building permit? How did how would the building official do that? Rather than just leaving it open, the building official would be guided to determining whether there was meaningful work done under the permit to advance construction of the project.
And if there is meaningful work, then the building official could not deem the project abandoned or discontinued. >> Okay. So then line 21 through 25 um is talking about variance exception
granted in conjunction with the site plan. >> Yes. >> Approved and so it's considered incorporated into the site plan approval and the expiration of it or special exception shall be the
same as the site plan. So it just attaches that variance to the site plans permitted time frame. Correct. >> That is correct. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to
Is that normal practice? >> Um I think that is um it's not unusual. It's not >> okay >> extraordinary the codes that actually
think through the issue. And kudos to Lamont Russell by the way cuz I spent 30 years working with him on the PNZ board. >> If we kick the tires and think this through, >> you know, the variant or a special exception may just be one piece of the
project. So a lot of times that you know gets decided and then you have another development permit on the site plan. So the intent is to try to make the deadline to perform the same.
>> Okay. >> Picking all the little pieces of the development permit permits that are part of the overall project. We're trying to consolidate them and make them run concurrently together rather than have to worry about a developer processing
development of a site plan and know, oh, now I got to go back. Oh, my my special exception expired. Well, no. If you got all these approvals and we we're we're consolidating the time frames, the developer continues to proceed under the
critical path of the the the main development permit. >> So that's how this is actually streamlining that process. >> Yes. And it's trying not to take the pull the rug out of a developer on a one little technical development permit when
they're really working under this master right site plan, >> right? >> And trying to develop the whole overall project. Why pull the rug out of from a developer over one of the little technical uh permits like a variance on
a setback when the variance is incorporated into the site plan. >> Right. All right. That doesn't make any sense >> knowing it just is an extra step or it could end up potentially being an extra step if it So, it makes sense to
me that it's rolled into the site plan that's actually streamlining the process. Okay. And the other thing I just wanted to make sure council knew is on um on line 31,
all of those variances before they come to council, and you correct me if I'm wrong, they're going to go through the PNC for approval before they come to us. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Everything come everything that gets presented to the city council,
variances, special exceptions have to go to the planning zoning board. to for the recommendation the recommendation rather than going to the board of adjustments is coming directly to the city council. >> Okay. So which makes sense as well because the site plan is going through
the P&Z as well. >> Correct. >> Okay. So that is streamlining that process as well. >> Yes. They will have that background. >> Okay. That may be all of mine but I'm still scrolling. out
there through 17 pages, not 1,700 pages, >> right? No good questions. >> Okay. The another one I have for you, city attorney, is on page 12 of 17
line um 35 and 36 and it was on the change of use. And so that is going to be at the
community director level now for any change of use. And once again, is it a process similar to with the building inspector who would determine if um the project was, you know, abandoned?
Is it the judgment of the community development director on the Chinese use? >> It's on the 110-257 on which starts on line 34 on page 12. Those are situ the current code states
that if there is a zoning use which in the opinion of the building official is similar to a permitted use um they have the abil the building official has the ability to determine that it's similar enough to be considered permitted.
So as you know the it the building official is not the one that's in the weeds on the zoning code on a regular basis. the building official deals with the building code, >> right? >> Um so that language assigning that
responsibility the building official is a relic of the past. >> The change would be to um strike the building official and put the community development director in that role because this is all about chapter 110
zoning, not the building code. the build community development director would be the one in her department or his department would be the one most familiar with interpreting the zoning code not the building official. >> Okay. So once again streamline process and in the right >> streamlining process but assigning the
duties to the proper official. >> Okay. >> Rather than an official that's not in the weeds dayto day on on the interpretation of the zoning code. Just ask anybody in the planning department how many times they interpret the zoning
code on in any given day. It could be 100. >> Ask the building official. I haven't seen the zoning code for, you know, couple of days or or or seven days, you know. So, it's the zoning assigning the duties in the right place. >> That's what this does.
>> And this is dealing strictly with the things that the adjustment board did. you know, versus, you know, we have other things in place where a city manager approves some things that's in
the next bill from what I'm seeing that we'll be going over in February. >> In February. Yes. >> So, this is strictly with the adjustment board. >> Correct. >> Streamlining that. >> Okay, Mr. Mayor. I'm I'm through. >> Good questions. Thank you, council. Any
other questions for our city attorney or city staff before we go hear from the public? None. This is a public hearing item. Second reading and final reading for ordinance 092025 abolishment of the board of adjustment
and all the procedural changes that our city attorney and and this council and Mayor Perdim Jackson just worked through. Uh so no need to have any card. If you
intend to speak, please come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation. Bring it back to the council. All right, council. be looking for a motion or
>> I'll make a motion to adopt ordinance number 09-2025. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by council member Willis, second by member Tim Jackson. Any further discussion?
None. >> My comments are uh thank you and it the the titles, you know, what I read originally, you abolishing a board, there's so much more to this uh that as we've had a chance to go through it and
thank you to all who are involved to make these procedural improvements. I do think it it's practical and I know hard work went into that. I look forward to seeing it in action. So, thank you. >> You're welcome. All >> right. If there's nothing else, city
clerk, please call the role. >> May prot Jackson. >> Four. >> Council member Dave, oh, sorry, council member King. >> Four. Mayor Pro uh Mayor Morrison, I'm sorry. >> That's okay. Four. >> Council member Shiaak.
>> Four. >> And council member Willis. >> Four. >> All right. Ordinance 092025, which is item 9.6. Passes 50 on second and final reading. Which brings us to the end of the public hearing
and uh we do not have uh item 10 items for discussion. We do not have any items for discussion. Uh we are now at reports item number 11. I uh what a great meeting by the way
7:37 and that is good. So, thank you all getting through it. Uh, I do some of you might know with the good news, my reports. I just wanted to start off with some very sad news. I got word that uh
the school board did in fact vote 50 to change the boundary for all Cape Canaveral residents will go to um Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt Elementary. And uh that is un unfortunate. I think this
>> Yes, sir. It was a 50-0 vote uh by the board and I this council immediately upon notice uh I'm very proud of our city council. I'm proud of our community. We we drafted a resolution with our city staff and city attorney and everyone who's been a part of this
emotional roller coaster in the very short time. Um that resolution did not get any response. We then took it upon ourselves in the last meeting working uh through this to request a joint workshop
which was held on January 6th. Uh we we expressed our open willingness to explore alternatives as the resolution stated. uh that meeting uh did not result in any response I think
favorable as we've waited since the January 6 to today for really two weeks and as of today uh thanks for their again city staff support we were able to send a letter to the chair and uh the
board uh just reiterating our willingness to work with the the council I did share that that's a public record and through the meetings. Thank you. Yes, have that there. Uh so many people have been a part of it,
but I think there were 13 speakers from the city of Cape Canaveral um who I believe remain professional and respectful. I also want to thank our um city manager. I got word that Tamson Bell, our community and economic development director, was able to attend
to represent the city and she did an excellent job. I got word. So, thank you again for her uh being there since we had a meeting uh tonight and all the residents in the community. And so, uh
it is a sad day in Cape Canaveral. Um with that vote, very unfortunate. While the school board has its authority, my uh last and final statement would be that our city attorney who's been with us through out here, we we expressed a
desire to look at procedures and um I just want to say that as this moves forward, boundary change, um there's a closure process from my understanding that still needs to happen if there's any intergovernmental
coordination that is required. that I do not think we've been given adequate opportunity. Um, this council takes any actions necessary to protect education. Access to education for our Cape
Canaveral residents is very important. And so, uh, we're going to do our best on our side, but thank you, city council. And uh that's that's I wanted to share that immediately as I knew and um
I I couldn't be more we I don't know what else we could have done and so thank you again. I know a lot of work went into that. So with that um the I'll be up in Tallahassee. Uh thanks city clerk's
office for helping getting that scheduled. League of cities does a first class job of getting everything ready. I think um some other members of this board will be up there as well and I look forward to uh doing that again. It's been a few years since I went up
there uh next week during session and uh we'll keep an eye on these bills. So that's all I have for reports. Well, I can report that uh uh Congressman maybe one day, Councilman Shoryak and I attended the um
Space Coast League of uh cities uh business and dinner meeting the other night in Palm Bay and I was very impressed, very very impressed with what the city of Palm Bay has accomplished since the early days when I remember
Palm Bay being just an upstart with lots of cheaply built homes, tracks and tracks of homes. And uh they've come a long way with their with their uh attraction uh to uh high-tech businesses and uh and it
was nice to get to meet some of the people that were there. Um we enjoyed the meal. Thank you very much to the taxpayers for that. And uh so anyway, that's the only report that I have. >> Thank you. >> Reports are optional if you have
anything to report. Thank you, >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. Council member Willis, >> like you, I'll be attending uh legislative days next week in Tallahassee. Uh we have 33 other League of City members that'll be attending. Um
unfortunately, I have to wrangle a group of those. Um, so I won't be able to be with other council members, but uh there is a number I think we're up to 1,800
bills this year already u which is about average unfortunately. Um and the majority of them are preempting city's authority. Um that seems to be the the effort that uh goes
into it. And I did find out that of our 40 senators, only eight have any municipal experience. >> Wow. >> Um and I think the percentages are maybe
similar for the house. I don't know exactly what they are, but uh we have to go and educate. We have to let them know what the bills that they're pushing do to city government and us being able
to uh provide for our citizens and good government. So, I'm looking forward to it and it's it's going to be a interesting session. So, look, I'll see you up there. >> Okay.
>> You and thank you for all your work with the lead. >> Last but certainly not least, on the council at least, Mayor for Tim Jackson. Okay. So, I will be at legislative days next week as well. Um, and I look forward to that and getting to
experience that for the first time. But my reports this week are a little different because they address something that Dr. Roberts had concerns about. Um, and that is what we are doing and
working towards on protecting our infrastructure and working with our citizens on protecting their property. and Zach and I both attended the Space Coast Condominiums Association's meeting
this week or last week and we were able to both speak and then we also met with Salana Lakes get the name right and um spoke uh as well. I spoke to a document that we
worked together on um Zach, the city manager, myself, and we put it together and handed it out as a handout. And um I'm going to let Zach talk to you about um what we are going to do with putting
that on the web, making it available to people. Uh we talked about documenting the property's condition and um monitoring vibrations. We handed out the um handout and I went
through the history of what got us here and things we' found in Bokeh Chica versus here and that sort of thing. And then Zach has did a great job discussing the vibrational um aspect of it and
monitoring that. So, I'm gonna let Zach talk to you about his part. And y'all, there couldn't have been a moment where the hand of God came down and hit something like this second meeting. You will not believe it. I'm going to let Zach tell you about it.
>> Thank you, Mayor President Jackson. Um yeah, as she was saying last week, we went and visited uh Salana Lakes to discuss the project and um during my talking points, there was an actual Falcon 9 launch that rattled the clubhouse to the ground almost and it
kind of if there were any doubters in the room as to whether or not we should they should participate as a condo association, the project, the rattling doors really made them say, I think we should maybe do this because this was just a Falcon 9 launch. But um it was a very productive meeting and they overall
scheduled the project. Next week uh Rollins College is coming to install the first permanent acoustic station on the top of this building uh so we can begin doing monitoring for all the launches instead of just having them come out one at a time. Um and then uh we'll be
moving forward with sensor deployment at the other sites probably in February or March to leave them there for a period of months to determine uh vibrations. um sound and air quality readings. Uh today, Ender or Ender Rail Aeronautical
University installed two air quality sensors, one on this building and one on the community center um to measure um air quality from six different pollutants related to rocket launches. Um and those came uh fortunately free to
the city. MV is one of the the research data. So that was nice. Um so that's about where we're at with that. Um, and we are tracking uh the space launch system launch for the Artemis 2 mission on February 6.
That is dependent upon a few different things on NASA's end as whether or not that will go off on that date, but the launch window is from February to April. So, it is quite a window. That is a very large rocket. And we've expressed to Rollins College that we would like them here with permanent equipment or
temporary equipment if they can't get it in time to make sure we record that specific launch for a baseline as well since the SLS rocket is scheduled to also only get bigger from here on out with subsequent upgrades and whatnot as they push that further and further out into the cosmos. So that's about where
we're at. If you have any questions, I can take them. >> Wow. >> Wow. And so I'll wrap a little bit of this up. So the federal legislation that says that property damage can be covered um
you know when there's a launch. It has the term verifiable in it. So it's verifiable damage. What had occurred in some of the areas of Texas is they hadn't done this ahead of time. So it
wasn't verifiable. So there's they're chasing things in a rears. They're trying to play catchup. We're trying to get out there ahead of it. >> Um so that we know how our city is, the
infrastructure, the GIS mapping and all of this is going to help that as well even though it is required. Um, and then the meeting with the Space Coast Condominiums Association just hit a large group of people. It was how many?
We ran out of handouts at 50. >> We brought 45 and there were probably close to 55 people in the room. It's a good audience. >> Yes. So, we had a had a great audience and those are the board the condo association board members. So they are
going to be going back and looking at setting a baseline for their properties and the um the milestone report the milestone inspections that were required by the state of Florida along with the structural integrity reports. Those are
going to serve as a great baseline for them. But this will uh we made recommendations of recordings um you recording that your stuff works, your water is working in this fountain or the pool or you know that your things are
operating correctly and that with individual um units that you'd want to make a video just like if you're trying to cover for a hurricane. you'd want to show that your unit is okay, that you don't have cracks, that you your plumbing works and
things like this. So, these were the common sense things. Now, um Zach and the staff took it further as far as talking about um improvement of structural resistance if there was work you're doing on your home
or your your con the condo is doing work. um using uh vibration mitigation measures and um you know checking their insurance companies and that kind of
thing and acting quickly. So um we had talked about making this available on a website. I know that's not right now you're a little busy with getting all this literally done, but >> I think it's worth doing that um to have
a dedicated web page. I mean, we have one for hurricanes >> and why not for for this, you know? I I do think that the public needs to understand that as the launch operations continue that they should start to look at Kennedy Space Center and the Cape Canal Space Force Station more as an
airport and how it functions with daily flights that come in and out. That's the type of repetition and economies of scale that they're looking at doing to continue to make this part of the economy grow. So to have preparedness and to have
people aware of what can happen, what can't happen, and what it's doing is important. And I think a dedicated web page at the least is what we can do. >> And then I've spoken with our city manager about, you know, looking at
building code and that kind of thing. I made a suggestion of there's well he had he had reached out to some uh to someone in Texas and found that there's really not anything
for what do you do with vibrations on building code and things like that. So I've suggested reaching out to the Bay Area in California who vibrates a lot because I've been in an earthquake out there. So, and there's definite building
code there that we in Florida would not be aware of here because we're not used to this type of scenario. So, um just so you know, we've discussed those things as well because as we look at moving
forward, if you know, we're not going to stop this. So, the most the best thing that we can do is make sure our city is resilient and prepared. I have a question. Uh, and really it's kind of uh directed to Zach. Zach, you
do those uh uh regular um video interviews. Is this a topic that you'll be doing and educating the public about exactly what we're talking about, the fact that we obviously can't stop progress, but how can we protect
ourselves against um damage from that process? Will you be implementing those in your video interviews? Absolutely. That's a great point and I think that's a very uh good platform to get that out into the public very easily that can be disseminated either through a link or
just you know referring people to the website in general. Um that's something that we can do for sure and especially I think um as the studies wrap up on our end about how things fared. I think it would be cool to have the research team kind of say from their professional lens
this is what we found. you know that the team that we have at a Rollins, they're quick to point out that they are acoustic professionals, not engineers. So, it's basically saying, "We have this data. You can take this now to an actual structural engineer and have them
interpret it for you and say yes, no, maybe so, you should do this, you should do that." That's the kind of thing that we're looking for to empower the public to say, "Hey, this is real world data. I need to do something with this kind of thing." So, I think that would be a good start to do that. Yeah, I think it's critical because I reading some of the
comments in like nextdoor.com, I mean there are people out there who really they're not worried about it at all. They think it's wonderful and it is in in one respect, but not a not at the cost of our infrastructure. And so I think that that needs to be really
driven home too. >> Yes, I do think that's important. >> Okay, thank you. >> Sure. >> Did I miss anything, Zach? I think we're good. >> I really was glad that he moved away from the doors though at at the one place.
>> It was it was actually quite pronounced. I was very shocked at how how much vibration was going on and they are quite close to begin with, but >> that was just a Falcon 9 launch and there are many much bigger rockets on the way. So I can only imagine what you
know maybe one or two times. Okay. But you know the repeated cadence that they're talking about with dozens per year from multiple sites >> might start to add up. >> How many condo complexes do we have right now that have signed up? >> Three throughout our city.
>> One in the northeast corner, one in the central area of the city, and one in the extreme southwest corner of the city. So we have the full gradient to see what sound does as it travels uh southward. >> Smart. >> Yeah. >> You have a comment, Dr. Roberts?
Okay. If you don't mind, please I'm take your time. >> I'm so glad you all are doing this. um vending salon shores which you know is right on the beach and the north most condominium that we have in our city and and actually Bardon is right there. Um I
really when you mentioned the northeast corner are any of those directly beachside? >> The closest one is Salana Lake across the street I believe from there. Salana Shores are great too. Yeah. >> Yeah. as long as yours is actually on the beach itself >> and that's the only reason I mentioned
that the unique nature of that. I think you got the water and the the whole acoustic system as you're pointing out. I I just want to make sure that we capture that in some fashion. Thank you for doing what you're doing. By the way, it's quite remarkable the effect that it
has. like you'd noticed it was on the lake because it shakes our sliding glass doors uh really dramatically. So, and that's the worry we have is that the harder they get or the more um the stronger they get, it's going to really
have some measurable dis damage. The problem that we have as condominium associations, if I could mention this as owners, is what do we do? like you was saying um uh Congresswoman Jackson about the prep preparedness of this
>> but instead of being in your ears are we going to what do the condos do what do the homeowners do? Well, and that was one thing that when I discussed this with the condominium associations, document, document, document. So, take a
video of the inside of I'm going to take a video of the inside of my unit, showing that I don't have cracked walls, showing that my windows are intact, showing that my faucets run and my toilet flushes and those functional
things are there. If there was a problem, for example, with a pipe to one building or something like that, >> that's going to give your condo complex documentation to show, oh, this was working before and now it's not after the launch. um
showing that uh the condo association showing that their buildings don't have cracks because all of our condos have had concrete restoration due to the right >> the requirement with the milestone
inspections and the surge report. So we're we're in good shape as far as our concrete shoring up and this is when you should have videos of those things. Single family homes should do the same thing and show that your things work
that are utility related, you know, ma and show that your your um the outside of your house is good. You know, your foundation's good if it's a single family home, things like that. Pictures, videos, pictures, videos. and your
proposed process. Let's say that we do have damage. Then I think the public information that you provide is what do you do? You know, what are the next steps and who they're holding accountable >> there? On the back of the um brochure
from the last public hearing with start with SpaceX, the each company has an insurance group. And so there's an email address that you send your information to and this will get more information.
We just hadn't gotten to that point yet. Um but we will get more information out there because you have to go through the la the person the company launching >> when they had those EIS hearings. >> Mhm. >> The you know the resounding comments
from the public that released at the Rison was not in favor of this. They went ahead anyway, but I don't know whe there any corrective actions or anything taken while the federal agencies were there to >> some of this.
>> From what I understand, they have given SpaceX the the approval to build the pad out here, but SpaceX has is working on version three rocket and it was uh testing version two is what it was
testing last year. So from what someone at the space center had told me, they have to go through a certain number of those. He said seven successful launches. Those are all happening out in Texas. But the FAA is
the one that issues the license for the vehicle itself, you know, for the rocket itself. And that has not been issued yet. And um Shawn Duffy was acting um
interim NASA administrator in October and went out to bid for company the companies in order to see who's going to provide the ride to the moon. It was locked under a SpaceX contract and
because he's they're wanting to do it fast with us being in a space race with China, he he put it out to bid. So now it could be Artemis, it could be Blue Origin, it could be, you know, SpaceX or any of them.
>> So all of those things will tie into that as well. >> Well, I appreciate tonight. I know it's it's a very complex issue, but thank you for being sensitive to it, doing whatever you can, and I'm assuming you all will hopefully meet with some of these other beachside communities that
um and the houses too, as you point out, are also subject to this. But I think this educational outreach you did to Salana Lake is something if you all might be able to replicate that in other communities, I think that they would appreciate that. >> And I know that I am happy to do that.
And I I had asked Zach if he was willing to do that, if we had anyone else reach out with us. When we met with the Space Coast Condominium Associations, that even met with people that are not in our city and we had interest um uh people
that were interested in getting the information as well. So, you know, we're um the city manager and Zach have been really great to support whatever we need to do to help with this initiative.
>> I I think it's important too to bring up that um some of the sensors will be transferable. They won't be permanent. So, in the maybe in the earlier stages of the study, we could transfer them from condo to condo just to get an idea of what's going on. But I think it's
also important to remember that the city is quite small fortunately from a science perspective. So what we record is pretty likely transferable data wise to what another condo is experiencing. And we have a data set for the three condos that were chosen um from ones
that were some of the newer ones built in the city in 2000s to ones that were built back in the '60s to ones that were built in the 70s and 80s. So we have a good breadth of construction details in terms of how they would affect materials with cinder block and whatnot. Um so I think that will be very good to show the
diversity of construction and the time periods in which they were built so those other condos that didn't have the direct sensor installation can understand hey you know we were built around the same time with the same materials the data is probably applicable kind of thing. That's great.
>> There's a difference among all of us in the condo community. There's a difference between beach side and once you throw one in. >> Mhm. >> So that's reason. I don't think I'm sensing each side yet. >> I'm talking about >> Yes. And that's what we could do that with transferring the sensors. But I I
also do think that because of how powerful Starship is and how powerful New Glenn is. If you were standing beachside with an unrupted view to a little bit more inland, it might not matter that much. clear line of sight shore would probably not obstruct sound
as much as it would, but the overall and you can see in the EIS data too that the overall plot of sound attenuation through the area is pretty uniform in the rings of how it decreases from decibel level to decibel level. So I do think if you're standing on the beach or
a few hundred feet inland or a few thousand feet inland, you will probably hear it just as well. >> And feel it. And we do have Shorewood that's willing if needed. So, and we're just I know Zach's working schedule with
where these go and getting the readings in various areas first. So, >> yeah. And that also includes the water treatment plant. >> That's great. Critical infrastructure. >> Thank you all for all your hard work. >> We have a question. >> I do. I Yeah. Thank you. Exact. Thank
you. Um um the sound, what's the difference between the sound and the percussion? Is there a difference? >> That's a great question and I don't know. >> I would love to know that. >> Okay. All right. I mean, is is the percussion the thump you feel in your
chest when the big drums go by or is it is it related to sound? I mean, that that's my question. And I I'm I'm thinking that it's going to be the percussion that is going to create the vibration that's going to rattle windows and crack foundations, >> right? Yeah. It's it's the sound and
it's, you know, the the sound that for acute damage, I would be concerned about the sonic boom upon re-entry of the booster when it comes back to the landing site >> because the sonic boom is proportional to the size of the vehicle. If the vehicle gets larger, the boom gets
louder. So that could be significant times by dozens of launches. So I could ask um the researchers if there's a difference between what sound pure sound and percussion is. >> Um but they'll be measuring in they
actually measure in hecto pascals which they convert over to decibb which is what we're more >> um attuned to hearing in terms of understanding the the sound scale. >> Okay. And the other comment that I want to make is that um we have an advantage
over the people in Bokhica, Texas because we can learn from them what they've been through um and we know the right questions to ask at this point. Uh so that puts us ahead. I think I think in that regard we're very fortunate.
>> So, okay, that was the only thing I wanted to mention. Thank you. And thank you um Congressman Thank you very much for all your efforts. >> I'm I'm happy to do it. And one thing as you talked about the percussion,
>> there's over pressure. And so, believe me, I spent a whole week looking up every acronym in that EIS. And the over pressure is what you feel, you know, and that's totally different than the sound.
>> I see. And as explained by one of the actual rocket scientists that was at the first the May um meeting a lot of lot of glass breakage and things like that happens afterwards because of the low megahertz sound that we don't even catch
with our ears. So there's a lot of lot of moving pieces to it. Also, I want to commend our city manager who has um taken a lead and staying in touch >> with Port Isabel, Texas and their city
uh assistant city manager. So, thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you so much for that because I think those relationships we can learn a lot um together. Okay, I'm done. >> Thank you. That is um it's a big topic.
It's a report item that could turn into a workshop because there's so much interest and great questions. Uh, and I have some. Um, so thank you all. I think we got the right team, the right brains, and I think if there's any urgency that Artemis, that's a big one. So, thank you
for clarifying that. >> That one's going to shake. Percussion, boom, all of that. And so, I think that's all the reports. Mayor Perim Jackson, I think you're finished. and um go over to our city attorney. Anything for us? >> No report.
>> City manager, >> no report. >> City clerk's office. >> Finance department. >> Director. Thank you, John. Broad County Sheriff's Office, anything we need to know? Thank you for what you do. >> Thank you. And with that, we'll go ahead
and adjourn. You put