--------- Good evening everyone. Today is July 15, 2025. We are at the city hall council chambers for Cape Canaveral City Council Workshop meeting. I call this meeting to order. Should say we are at 100 Pulk Avenue, Cape
Canaveral, Florida 32920. And it is 5:00 p.m. Council Member Willis, would you please lead us in the pledge? To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. City clerk, please call the role. Council member Davis here. Coun um council member Jackson here.
Vice Mayor Prom Callum here. Mayor Morrison here. And council member Willis here. All are here. Thank you. Council and city staff. At this time we will receive public
participation. This is a workshop. We'd love to hear your feedback if you would like to speak. Uh we do ask that you please fill out one of these uh cards provided at the front and we'll make sure you're heard. So with
that, if anyone I do not have any cards right now from anyone who intends to speak Oh, I see some out there. If you'd like, you can come on forward and we can get the cards. Thank you very much, Teddy. Thank you.
to help us with planning for that. And u I'm just concerned that that seems to have been gone to the wayside and any update on that and putting it back on the front burner would be greatly appreciated because it was part of the visioning for the city and expressed
very heartfelt by the residents you know back in the preliminary vision effort. The other thing I just wanted to mention is sometimes our tax base is perhaps misunderstood because a lot of our residents are second resident owners. In
other words, they're not necessarily renting their place while they're away from here. But we do get their feedback when they come back into the city as to how our resources are being spended. And I must admit that it's troubling number
of them that the proliferation of hotels and so forth is really changing the residential character of our city. So anything that we might do to uh such as we've done in the past to plan more strategically for the visioning of the future uh for our city would be greatly
appreciated. And I would like to just mention just the understanding by council that a lot of our residents particularly in the condos are not renting but they're actually owning and um very much care what they return to when they come from their other home. So
that's it. Again, civic hub as to where we are on that, the town center complex, the potential investment of other uh properties in the immediate area. That to me would be a return on the investment for our vision for this future. Um that includes the Union Hall
property and perhaps some contiguous properties. And perhaps there's some ways that we could get our hotels to return back to the community, you know, from what they've taken the sense of uh away from our character and perhaps contribute towards returning that to
something we'd all be proud of. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Roberts. Do we have any other one who would like to speak? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation.
Did you want to speak? I wanted to hear what le unless council objects, we'll try to uh obviously we have a 6 pm meeting, but leave a little bit of time at the end to do some followup.
Thank you. Okay, we'll close public participation. Bring it back to the council. We are now the discussion. Item number five. We have one item tonight, the proposed fiscal year 2025 2026 budget and 5-year
capital improvement plan. council, unless there's a concern, I think uh our interim city manager can give us a a quick overview and then we can get into any questions or anything that we have and discuss.
Sure, John. So unlike last year, um this year is going to provide some real challenges. And um um in front of council there's a memo that states that our proposed mill uh
for this year is going to be 3.9672 to achieve a balanced budget. But what that also includes is $747,000 out of reserves to make that number. Um
that would allow us for everything that's in this budget to get it accomplished for this next budget year. This also puts our percentage of unobligated reserved on the 17.3 which is below the 20% for u the city's fiscal
policy of tw of 20%. Um, if council uh goes forward when we when we're going forward here in the budget process and decided to decrease the proposed millage rate of 3.967, it's only going to it's what it's going
to do is it's it's going to result in cut in cutting in and using more of our reserves. Um, just a couple major impacts of the budget this year. Uh last year we, you know, we we had a a millage rate reduced
below roll back. Um and so in the fire department last year took the hit there and said, you know, we won't get a we won't get our fire engine till this next year. And then also at our three positions. So just major budget impacts
this year. 1.7 million uh protective services budget. The police increased their uh budget by 573,000 due to increased salaries and benefits. Fire rescue budget increased 890,000 because they're purchasing the new fire
truck this year in addition new three new firefighter positions. Um the city hall this city hall's air conditioner is estimated to cost 325,000. Uh just a couple other highlights. Um
this proposed budget um the fire and police budget is 8.2 million this year. Um the taxes uh for this are at 7.9. So the taxes based on the avalorum we're presenting and we're cutting in the reserves doesn't even
cover the fire and police this year. Okay. The contingency uh we've put down to achieve our numbers at only 200,000 this year. Um, and just a few other highlights.
The uh in for the employees, our CPI is 2%. We're uh and Joey could show some numbers later, but we are among, if not the lowest, this city staff's taken the lowest CPI increase compared to the
other cities in the county. We're only taking 2%. We're asking for 2%. And um in addition, when we're going through the budget, you'll notice that in the um organizational chart, the city's IT
department is going to be a standalone department. We already have two people there. But instead of coming under administrative services, it will come under its own department, IT department, which will which because it represents works for the whole city and that department um will come under the city
manager directly. Uh instead of myself when I go back to uh the finance director uh it won't come under me anymore. It would be coming under um under the city manager. And this is what
we propose in this budget. Um I I think that's basically it. Um I would just tell council that you did get some handouts here. We can discuss those later as they apply to this handout Joey
gave out as it applies to um the effect of these millages on, you know, to just give a perspective on a $100,000 house, a $200,000 house, a $300,000 of $500,000. Okay. Um I think that's enough for now.
So, Mayor, I turn it back to you. Thank you very much, council. Mr. Mayor. Yes, Council Member Royless. I think based upon what we're going to be discussing, we need to go ahead and hear what these mean and get an
explanation because we're going right to the millillage. So, let's let's understand everything. Okay. Mayor. Yes. So, the um I could have Joey go ahead and explain. So
this document here with the blue right they're the graphs and uh they kind of show you the effect of um a change in millillage what it was previously and um then what we also
provided was um and this is just for really council's you know reference was the 2324 budget impacts that occurred when we went to roll back uh last year. So, that's something that we could discuss if you'd
like, but it may not be extremely relevant to the future, but we I had Joey go ahead and uh pull that just in case we want to talk about. So, if it's okay with you, mayor, um we could have Joey explain.
Yes. Okay. So Joey, what we could start with here is I basically would go to the ad valerum based property value. That would be this uh and we don't have have this on the thing. These were handouts. This
would be this one here. Could everybody see that sheet? Okay. Yep. Okay. So Joey just explain basically I I I think you could start with just the um
the 2526 roll back take it down to the midpoint and the effects then the proposed millage that we're going after and then if we decided that we did not want to infringe on $700 and some thousand dollars of reserves how
high the millillage would go. So if you'll explain that the council. So on this sheet um there's four columns showing if someone owns a property that is valued at 100,000, 250,000,
300,000 or 500,000. So based on how much their property is um appraised at um the rows show the increase in price versus um this current fiscal year, fiscal year 25 that we're
in. Um it'll show the the difference in price in the upcoming fiscal year. So the first row um fiscal year 25 millillage is current year um taxes that a property owner would pay. The row
below it would show if we go to roll back in the upcoming year how much um additional taxes they would pay which would be very close to zero. Um and then the rows below that um two rows
below the roll back rate we show the proposed millage. If we go to the proposed millage we show the total dollar change compared to or the total dollar change in upcoming fiscal year versus the current fiscal year we're in.
And the last row at the bottom is if we if we set the millillage where we will use where we won't use any reserves um how much the increase for the property owner will have to pay. Uh do
you does anyone have any questions on that? I have one ancillary question. You may not know the answer, but I would like to eventually get the answer. Is how many homesteaded properties do we have?
I do not know off the top of my head. We can look into that. We could we could get that for you. Um, council member Willis, I will have from the uh Bvard property appraisers office. I'll get what's called a 403V and it'll show you how many
well on top of that disabled veterans if the depending upon their uh percentage of disability have their taxes reduced by the So it's interesting I I know I have a
neighbor who is 100% disabled pays no property tax so it would be interesting to know Again, additionally, how much or how many properties are in that category?
I just looked that up. It's about I could be off by a percentage or two. It's about 20% are homestead in this city. That's what it show. Is that what it shows mayor right now? And it's been like that for years. Yeah, that's probably a good good
assumption. I I mean, that's probably pretty that's that's pretty accurate. Um, I was what I have to do every year anyway from the property appraisers office. I have to get the 403V for tax purposes later on in the year and they
usually give me the updated. But, um, yeah, I I agree with the mayor. I don't think that really changes much. Well, then we must have a lot of rental properties. Yeah. A lot. A lot. So, you know, and you got all categories. You got veterans who um you know people
get homesteaded and they get x amount off and then if you um if you have a like you said a partial disability or whatever there there's yeah there's an additional amount but if you if you are fully disabled uh yeah you don't pay
taxes well not property taxes I have no problem with that no me for reference sake that's a reality that yeah to see uh who's paying what. So, thank you. And I'd like that information if you get that for council member Willis.
Right. I what I'll do is I'll get that um and it shows a lot and I'll just send all the council uh the whole council the 403V. Thank you. Are there any other questions at this time for Joey? As I think he
has explained that the document we see in front of us under the four scenarios of property and the financial impact that would have based on the combined millage. Okay.
All right, Joey. Um uh let's see. Go to um you could go to the uses kind of said it already but the use of reserves by fiscal year 26 millillage scenario.
I mean that's just another ch you've got it. That's good Esther. You've got the right one up there. Okay. You could talk to that one. So on this document um we show in each scenario uh depending on which millage rate we choose to go with um how much
how what amount of reserves the city would have to use to make the the budget um balance. So in the top row where it says no reserves is if we use zero reserves we would have to have a total
millage of 4.4559. And then as you go down it shows how much how many use of reserves we would have to use at each millage rate all the way down to roll back. Okay. Okay.
And additionally, the far right column where it says percent of reserves is based on each millage rate, uh the percent left or the percent of reserves we would have. Um and as you see, if we have no reserve,
we would have a 21%. If we go to roll back, we would have um around 12%. I have a question, Joey, about that. Is it in in our code that we're supposed to have 21 or 20? 20 20%. Yeah. City.
So, if we went to roll back and it went to 12%. Would that be a change in the code or how would that No. Um I and an of course an Anony's not here but um
I don't believe there's there's a city policy that was passed by council back in I'm going to say the early 2000s. It's been I I know it's been like this probably 20 years. But what I would say about that is that
this is something that we go by for our city here at Cape Canaveral. But the question would be if you fall below that, would council have to go in and somehow adjust that percentage? And I I I believe the answer is no. I mean,
it's just that if you remember when James Moore briefed us um at the uh audit in February, they basically came up where they said, you know, we were at um 18.3%
or 18.6%. And they said, "This is something you need to watch because if you got to watch how you adjust your taxes and how you're spending your money because if you're at 18.6 six and you continued on a trend, you know, then your percentage
could go down and um you got to be careful with that. So now what's good about the city is we've always stated about 20%. I mean we've been really fiscally good about that, but um with the adjustments that were made last year and now the major budget impacts we're
having this year, we've dropped be below to 20%. But I don't think there's any action by council. No, but um and I think when I talked to some of the council members and they asked me uh the GFOA state
level is 16.7%. But this council 20 years ago or whenever they decided they wanted Cape Canaveral to have 20% reserves, but it's acceptable by audit standards at 16 uh7
and we we're briefed that every year by our auditors. So, does that answer your question? Yes. Okay. Yeah. The way the way that I've understood it is that fund balance 20% exceeds GFOA standards. So, our city goes above and beyond and we need to
maintain 20%. And the code talks about what what we need to do. So, I think we would be required, subject to our city attorney's opinion, especially if we would go in knowing it was going to lower it u
or the budget we passed was going to result in one of the percentages lower than that 20%. Um, I don't think that's a a good idea. I think we should put a budget that hits the 20%.
Um, and the scenarios that were shown shows a 21%. Do we and then the proposed actually takes us below. Do we have an idea of where we are today
or the I guess the last budget um as a percentage of reserves for the fund balance? Uh, yes. Um, I think the that's that's a fantastic question because the basically when Joey and I are computing
these and we're saying, hey, we're if we just go with the proposed keeping the millillage under 4% for the city at 3.962, we could use $747,000 of reserves. We were close to 4 million the last time we checked. So that would
take us down to uh 3.2 million. That's where we came up with the 17.7%. So, we're very close by using the proposed uh the proposed millage to get it to 20%. Yeah, Mayor, you're right. We'd have to go up to it if that
would probably take us to like 4 I'm just estimating maybe 499 or something like that to get it up to the 20 or maybe well actually about probably about 4.2. So, uh, if we wanted
to stay at the 20, um, you know, it's something council could do. Uh, is the city okay having $3.2 million? God forbid something happens as opposed to 4 million? Well, you know, sometimes
that might be a hard thing to determine, but the city has generally stayed around when it was at 20%. Of course the numbers are changing at 3.2 million most of the time if you look in the past we've always been around 3.2 3.3. So um
but because the way the numbers are panning out whatever uh it's almost taken us 3.9 million uh now that we have that that stay at the 20 the 20%.
So we are at the 20% today. Uh yeah, we we're very we're very clo we're very close. I believe the only the only thing is is is that we're moving forward with the new
budget. So the new budget influences where we're going. But if you said, John, how much do we have? $4 million. got about $4 million which right now for right now that puts us in a good spot at the 20% or above a little bit above but
now we got to present a new budget that has new expenses greater expenses what have you and that's why we're in this situation now so okay thank you if there's not any other questions I think Joey you're working through these
slides are there any more on this one. Um, I have nothing more to point out on on this document if no one has any questions on it. I think we're good. Okay. Um, the next document we can go over is
um the document that uh has the graph with the blue and the orange on it. Yep. The past two years proposed versus approved. Yes, that is correct. I've got it. So, this document, what it
shows is um over the past two fiscal years, fiscal year 24 and fiscal year 25, um what the finance department has proposed, we do as a budget and um what has later been um approved. And the
difference has been over the past two years. Um, two years ago, um, the difference was, um, cutting $117,000 and last year, um, we ended up cutting $741,000.
Um, that is what this document shows. Now I I would like to qualify this mayor if I may is that those were the impacts based on when we were at our proposed millillage and
approved millillage. But a little bit prior to that there may have been programs seeing where we were going to be especially in 24. there were projects that were probably
cancelled or pushed out a few years because of we knew what the impact would be. So, um the revenue difference was 117K based on what we presented but there are things we took out of the budget because we knew that you know the
impacts would be much greater. Um and then last year of course uh we had the um below roll back uh which reduced our revenue by 741,000. So yes just I I got a question on this
one. So when we're saying proposed I've got the budget from that we adopted the the current year that we're operating out of the terminology proposed revenue. Does that mean what we
adopted? No. The terminology is the proposed would be um what we propose in July for example now and then adopted um and what I call approved here but is the adopted is what we adopt for the final budget. Um and we
adopt that um the second budget hearing in September. Okay. So the the revenues ad valorum taxes I'm looking at page 13 of this book shows adopted at 6,390,249
and we we based it off a 95% collection rate, right? We we don't and so is this based on 95% and and I guess why are those numbers different? Yeah, I believe that difference would be because
we collect um some late tax fees. Um that would be that $5,000 difference, delinquent taxes, what have you. So that proposed rate is basically it's like this book today. We put a proposed rate in that we're starting off that we're
starting off with tonight and that's what the proposed rate is. the 3 point um the 3 point 9672 that's what we're start that's the proposed so that's really the it's it's
so whatever budget we present every year to council when we give you this book in this meeting that proposed rate is the one we're speaking of because that is built into this budget and that's what's going to dictate you know how much
revenue we get and how reserves we need to use. Uh so that's that's what that's what the proposed means. What's actually in this book today for this year? That's our proposed. Thank you. Okay.
Carry on, Sarah. Thank you. Okay. And just to um to clear up that question. So we have a total of $6,000 that we also collect for delinquent like John says adv ad valerum and also penalties. Um so that's the what adds up
to the 6,000 difference. Thank you. Um if if there are no more questions on this document, I believe we can go to the next one. Great. Um, John, I think you can better explain this one.
Are we talking about the 232 24 budget impact? I I don't know if council uh we gave that to council just for reference. I'm not so sure we have to get into the impacts from last year. We basically told them there was a $741,000 impact
when we went from proposed to roll back. And unless council wants to I think we need to move forward and talk about um talk about you know this budget unless the unless council wants to go back through the 2324. That was just for
reference though. So I that's okay with that. Okay. Thanks Joey. Okay. So there's um those will be there as a resource for us
and council. Any questions this time? I uh I I'll just start by saying the when we say that in order to reduce the tax rate
we have to pull from reserves. I just want to speak in as literal as we we can. I don't think that's that's accurate when we maybe can can we clarify that yes the idea of
there are other places we can we can pull from other than our reserve. Yes, I could qualify that. Okay. Okay. And the way I would qualify that is this is what we're basically saying what's in this budget with the projects that we want to do.
Okay, would require us to have a 3.9 millillage rate which would require which my mic is not which would require us to use um 747,000. Now let me give you one example
on to qualify that mayor for instance council could look at this budget and look at this look at the capital projects and say you know what we don't want to do the air conditioner for this building next year 325,000
350,000 we want to push that out a year. What that's going to do that's going to reduce the reserves by that much. Council may look at the other projects and say we don't want to do this other
project and thereby reducing. So really it's a tradeoff because if you don't want to do certain things this year that's how you're reducing that. The only reason we're using reserves is based on the projects we've selected to do. But when council starts looking at
those and they want to go ahead and and maybe say we're pushing those out a year, then that starts to reduce the reserves we're using. In other words, we do not have to
transfer or utili. We can maintain the reserve amount if that's correct. If you air conditioner as an example, if you so choose, mayor, you could. Yes, that's how you could reduce. Yeah. the I think reserves need to be at 20%. We don't I
don't think we should touch that. Police and fire, I understand it's it's increased. Um I think we we can all learn more about that, but I I think I understand it. We don't have to touch that. I don't think we should. So that that's my point is there are other areas
in in in the budget. CIPs are easy because they're, you know, finite tangible amounts of money. And we've often debated the capital improvement improvement projects, but we can we could also look at other line items
in the budget, uh, which we've we've done that too as well, I think, and reduce. And so, uh, I've I think in the last meeting or two or the workshop meeting, I have no
desire to, uh, to increase taxes one penny. Um, I would I actually want to reduce taxes and figure out ways to to make the budget work for everyone. And if it
means capital projects, fine. But police, fire reserves are extremely important. And I'd put infrastructure, maintenance, sewer, wastewater right up there uh with them. And uh but that
doesn't mean that an expenditure this year maybe can't happen until next year. Last year um our fire department uh was able to uh be flexible and work and work with us there. And this year, I think I'm ready
to to do that. Um, and and our deputies, uh, we Var County Sheriff's Office, obviously, uh, that's increased as well. So, uh, I just, that's where my head is and I and I'll
stop there. Um, Mr. Mayor. Yes, Council Member Jackson. Okay. So, I've spent the last week I can barely see um doing a historical analysis because as we look at the times that we've gone
through, we've gone through the pandemic. Uh we had runaway inflation during those years. We had a change in the demographic of our city truly. we have more investors that have come in to our city and that sort of thing. So what
I have done is I went through from 20 2016 to 2026 with each one of the books and I did a comparison. I highlighted the um sections
for expenses and and revenue and everything that literally leapt up 100% 50% or more. Um not saying that it's due to any misdeeds, but because we've had
unprecedented times, we need to look at what has occurred with some of these things. So, for example, um in 2019 2020, the personnel costs for
code enforcement was at $343,180. From that time until 2024, 2025, it jumped to $753,452. It has now dropped back down. So there are things that will cause that to happen. We had a shift in personnel and
that kind of thing. But that's an example of this analysis that I've done. Um in our leisure services we had in 2019 2020 um our personnel and and all of the
costs related benefits and everything else was at 354,399. It is now over 1,100. Well, it is 1,171,794. That is a extreme jump. That's you know $700,000 increase. Um
I don't want Which one was that? That was leisure services. Okay. Thank you. Community affairs. And so and I know there was some shifting of groups that I noticed. So like there were some that uh it didn't
start out as um leisure services and community affairs during that time. There were some people brought into that group I guess. Um but I'm noting these changes because if we don't look at this on a bigger picture, every year we get
this budget and it says we need to do this. Here's the CIPs we want. That's all great, but we're not look looking at the trend analysis on any of it. So, I spent, you know, 16 hours a day putting a trend
analysis together for it. So, um, and for example, there was one little group. It jumped from 37,885 and doubled, which may be because they added a person. That wasn't a very big number. Um
but um I went through did that with operating expense, personnel salary, all of that. um with the capital outlay uh there were some big jumps on certain things and I know that there were things that occurred within that group but it
helps us track the trends because if we don't look at those things as well we'll never truly have a grasp of what our budget is really doing and we had unprecedented times over the last five
years during that pandemic. Um we had community, you know, just for example, the operating expense for um community development and code enforcement in 2021
was at 2020. 2021 was 100,656 and it stayed fairly consistent all the way up to now. But there are some of them and infrastructure maintenance which makes sense. It jumped from uh
398,841 to in 2026 679,347. Now why? Because we've ignored during the community center C5 building, we ignored a lot of the regular maintenance and we're catching up on it. Um but I went through tracking these things
because without knowing this you know we are having these big jumps. Um for example another one leisure services community affairs 2019 to 2020 it was at 168,8
it's up to 569 um 989. So, and you know there's these increases now there's also increases that are seen from the hotels um is my guess in solid
waste which in 2023 2024 we had 1,84,928 it increased to $2,147 uh,674. So doubled and that was during those times where we had 11 hotels built. So
um when you look at that and look at some of those things the trending I think helps us analyze. I actually agree with you in saying that um I want reserves as a citizen. I want reserves. The worst thing you can do to yourself
is not have reserves. Um, but I think we need to look at some of these other things, too, because a jump from 364,000 to over a million, 1.1 million in leisure services. I'd like to know how
many employees do we have? What created that jump? It's hard to know when you're not looking at a trend analysis. And I look at trend analysis because all of the projects that they've given to us as far as staff are to me valid projects
that we need. Most of them there's few few that are a nice to have but mostly they're all what we need to have. Um but you know there are some of those that had jumped and I'm like how could this be? Some of them it made sense like with
the solid waste, you know, that's the hotels. We have a whole we have 1,700 rooms up there now in excess of so that's going to be a lot of waste water, you know, and that kind of thing. Um, but I think that this is a helpful analysis when you look at it. Um, same
thing with the capital overlay because we had some jumps in it. for example, um, a leisure services during the time that the C5 was being built, it jumped up to 844,000 one year, and you could tell that's when the C5 was built. Um,
but it gives us the ability to look at these things and I think that it's worth our time to try to understand the entire big picture because just going by CIPs every year it I did that last year learning and
this year I'm like it it doesn't make much sense because our J our budget keeps jumping by four, five, six, seven million every year in a city with 20% of the homes homesteaded that we just heard
that has 900 9,942 residents or something like that. I'm not exact on that number. Mickey probably knows it off the top of her head or Mayor Pro Tim. But um to me the the jumps that are really severe,
we have to look at that and figure out what is causing this increase. And if it's something that's valid, we know we have to deal with it. If it's something that we can impact in any way, counter
counter impact it, then that would be good. Um, as I said, that I know that um the leisure services department cut back a whole bunch of things that were there, you know, on their wish list and we appreciate you working with us on those
things, Molly. Um, did you did you have a question? I would love to hear that. Thank you. Let me get to where I can write it down because I don't remember as much anymore. I'll give you a second that that that way you can be clear and the the conversation can flow with some more
information. Yeah, that'll be great. I appreciate that. You ready? I'm ready. All right. Um, so as you noted, when the C5 came online, we had to hire more staff. When I inherited this project in uh March, March 7th of 2022, the C5
hadn't opened yet. Um, I don't know what the previous director and I actually had this conversation with John today to see if he remembered. I mean, a lot has happened between now and then and now and the pandemic when a lot of this stuff was actually should have been at the very least being discussed or
planned. And to safely operate that facility, we need no less than two employees at that front desk at all times. So, our current staffing for that building is four full-time and one part-time. That way somebody can take a
vacation without leaving somebody solo because if someone is having a issue and there's only one person at the desk, the desk gets left unattended. People can walk in, anything can happen and also that's not good customer service cuz
they're somewhere else and no one can answer the phone. So that's that building. Okay. So, right after that, the very next year, uh, the Cape Center came online that has one full-time person and one part-time person.
Nancy Hansen has the same. When I was in leisure services prior to the other two buildings coming online, there was one, two, three, four full-time people and two part-time. I was one of those part-time people at
one at one point. Um, and then one of the challenges that all of you have heard about is being able to keep up with maintenance. For years, up until um I believe either last fiscal year or this fiscal year, we had one maintenance
person, one guy taking care of 27 acres. We are now up to three maintenance, which puts it down to seven acres a person, um, give or take. And they also assist with some of the stuff in the buildings because obviously they have
some technical expertise that some of our programs and facility coordinators do not have. So they assist them but we don't have any exterior companies doing our cleanings. So that is all done inhouse and when it comes to our projects and our maintenance we do as
much as possible inhouse. So the increase you saw, yes it's large, but taking on a big two-story community center with a splash pad, taking on a a small cultural facility and then kind of thinning the herd a little bit and
spreading the wealth from what it used to be at the Nancy Hansen and spreading that out where it's most needed. Those are the changes that you're looking at. Okay. And does it does it include any of the other like um cultural affairs or any of that? because I saw that that had
kind of moved from one department to another back when as I was doing this analysis July of 2019 I was pulled out of the leisure culture and leisure services department with my departure the culture left the leisure. So, I was uh for a
brief window um cultural and community affairs department where I did the preliminary planning for what was going to happen at the Cape Center plus I did all of the communications website, all that other stuff, the socials. Um when Gustavo
departed in or when they were changing things around in March of 2022, all of those got combined into one. So that's when it became parks, recreation, and community affairs because I brought everything I had to the table and then
my deputy director John Mayberry filled the role of that Gustavo did which is mainly managing a lot of my projects and um overseeing some of the maintenance stuff because that ties into the projects. So that was parks and wrecks, leisure
services and cultural that is together or well leisure services. Yeah, community affairs, parks, recreation, community affairs. Okay. After years of answering the phone over there and saying leisure services, no one know what I was talking about. So, we just had to bring it back to some
common nomenclature. Okay. Um and so does the this these totals that you gave me, Molly, um do they include community affairs or is that an addition to Okay, that includes
community affairs. Okay, I appreciate that because it's really hard to look at it this way and know but I know there's you know but that yeah at this time for the first time since I've taken over this position we are fully staffed and people can
actually take PTO or people can get sick and we have enough people to move around if need be. Understood. Great. Thank you so much for that explanation on that. You're welcome. Any other questions? I don't have any.
Council member Jackson, Mayor, if I could, I'd like to Before you do, Absolutely. Just want to note that we are 10 minutes till and I did want the public to have an opportunity to speak. Um, and I just I I need to say this before you speak. We're going to need to hold another workshop
and or extend the time. um this is a 22% tax increase and I agree with Council Member Jackson's uh points and and the the trends. So, uh, and the other thing I want to raise before is is our we've got an incoming city manager.
And so, I know we have deadlines, but I would push them all and think that the state of Florida would even be patient with us knowing our circumstances and our city attorney that we have our city manager once contracted
involved in this process. So, that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Okay. I I just need two minutes. So, Council Member Jackson, you said it goes beyond capital projects. You said you need to look at the big picture.
And then you also said that if you saw the other things that drive this and if they were justified, then you would have to react to it accordingly. So what I'd like to do for council by
close of business tomorrow is we will provide council by department each position with each salary and those things will roll up by department which you had asked me earlier in the week if
you could have that and I believe then you will see that'll add perspective. So when you go through each of these departments and you could say, hm, so they got that many people. What do they do? What did they do? You will find out that the 66 people that we have on staff
to full-timers are fully justified to make this city run the way it needs to. And I'm going to provide by department tomorrow those numbers which will help you understand. And I want to say um
interim city manager, I'm not I'm not going after personnel. What I'm going after is trend analysis, you know, because I mean Molly just explained to me what why and how they're staffed. Now it makes total sense to me. But when
you're looking at the old budget versus what it is now, that's a huge increase from $340 something,000 to 1.1 million. So, so having the the understanding of why did that happen?
Now, like I just said before, so it's not looking at employees as much. I'm looking at all of it. I'm looking at the capital outlay. I'm looking at the operating expenses because to get control of a $40 million budget, you
have to look at it all. That's what I do. Now, I would appreciate that just because with with listening to Molly, that gave me perspective that I needed to understand. We're not over manned in the Cape Center. We're not overmanned in
one of the other places. So, that would be a good thing for all of council to have to have an understanding, I think, personally. But like the solid wastewater increase, that was pretty easy to figure out, right? So, these are the things I'm looking at, though. It's
not necessarily I'm not going after employees. I don't want you to think that. I'm looking at how do we get in a $40 million budget and I mean, literally break that down
with 9,000 people in your city. If for some reason, and and that's not going to happen, but let's let's say I had to pay it as a citizen. That's a whopping lot of money that we're obligating for our taxpayers. So where inflation was out of
control, we had this weird world before. I'm trying to look at any way that we can to get some of those things under control. So that's that's all and that's and that's why I want the council see by department all the folks
and I know you're not coming after staff. I understand it. But one thing I want to add too and last thing is remember during this period the government gave us $5.2 million that we used for ARPA. Okay. So we're not getting any more ARPA money. So
everything's relative the way it starts flowing together because I don't have an extra $5 million in the two or three years coming up. So that's where it starts to impede on the budget. That's all right. Exactly. And because of that, John,
that's why what you're saying is exactly right. We don't have those ARPA funds, right? We don't have that extra money that we got. So that's why I'm looking at how do we control this monster that's rolling out of control. And it's not just our city. It's all cities this is
happening to from what I'm seeing. So that's why I'm looking at it this way, you know, just trying to analyze it. Okay, that's all I got. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. We're at 556. Um
would anyone from the public like to speak? And council, we're going to probably uh have to run over uh and delay our meeting, but uh in the meeting we are going to have an item on the adorum tax, so we're going to have a chance to maybe talk there as well. But
unless council objects, would you like to speak on Drea? Yes, please come forward. Um I just have a question uh on on the state level. We're hearing all kinds of news reports that Governor DeSantis wants to eliminate the property tax. Now whether or not that
happens is remains to be seen, but in the event that that did happen, where would we get our revenue? H Have you given any thought to this possibility? Okay, that's my question. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Um Mr. Mayor could
Yes, Andrea Shi. Thank you. Just for the sake of the public. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Council Member Willis. Um to answer Miss King's question, um there has been a House Select Committee
uh appointed to address property taxes and they are doing research and trying to provide some direction on where funds would come from. I think they're going to find that it's not going to be very
palatable to eliminate property taxes is my opinion. So, Oh, Mr. Mayor. Yes. if if council member uh Jackson could provide her research to staff
and I'm sure they need it for the public record since she introduced all those numbers but uh let them be able to look at it and do comparisons and analysis on it as well and of course we would all get a copy as well. Okay, thank you. And I want to add I've done uh
computations uh Joey and the whole team was able to get some BSNA has some really cool reporting that can help us make well-informed decisions going back five years with the proposed budget. We've said this in the
past, it's a scavenger hunt going back and forth and putting it together. So the most expeditious meeting I think will be a combination of working with uh the city staff and utilizing BSNA's
reporting capabilities today to give some different perspectives and views and it wouldn't shock me if they have the ability to do a trend. I know it can export to a spreadsheet and so you'd be able to pick up on uh that really quick. Cheese and crackers. Thanks for letting
me know after spending like five days, 16 hours a day doing this. I'm almost blind. Is Is there staff get a copy of all that? This is what uh Joey, I would imagine,
can absolutely can email it out. It was the the last report that you had recently sent. And I would like what um Kay has too is shared with the council. And I'm not quite through. I've got a couple little gaps in certain years where I was going by books, but um I'll
get that finished up and get that out to to the interim city manager so that what you're looking at may be essentially the same thing, but but we'll we'll share. Awesome. I would just like to say um looking at the at the budget for this
year and and years in the past um you know I had questions about all these hotels and when are we getting more impact fees from the ones that are going up and then also looking through the budget we we hardly
get if any grant funding and it used to be a big thing in our city we did a lot of projects with grant funding I wonder, you know, as we look at the employees if it wouldn't be worthwhile while hiring a grant writer. Um, I think
that's something we need to think about too that would help our budget and new sources of revenue. Um, besides the taxpayers, uh, thinking outside the box for other ways we can increase revenue. Um,
that's all I was thinking right now. Thank you. But I do think we need a definitely another one or two budget meetings and a standalone meeting where we're not rushed out, you know. Yes. So perhaps we can schedule that
either at the end of the regular council meeting uh during reports or whenever is most appropriate during the the uh tenative millage rate item. Council member Davis, I know that you're Okay. Okay. And I should have asked if anyone
else intended to speak during the public, we would ask that you uh do that at the next uh meeting, which we'll be rolling into very shortly. If there's not anything else, I think we're going to go ahead and and need to adjourn. And Council Member Willis. Well, I just want
to point out that we have a number of excellent staff members who can write grant requests and proposals and I've seen the success of those and uh I think uh we just need to uh give them the
tools that they need. So, Council Member Jackson, and one last quick statement, I've talked with um Mr. Carlile and I would like a city engineer that can get rid of some of the expense we pay on doing um
engineering studies and I know that um our interim city manager has said they're taking a look at that. So, just so you know, that's kind of in the the pike because they would literally have the ability where we spend $300,000 on a
survey, a engineering study, if they do one, they've paid for themselves and would be available for us for multiple projects. So, I want to let you know that they are working on that. Um, and that's really exciting for me. I think that's a great way to to help with our
budget. Thank you. I think those are all great ideas. Part: 2
We'll get started here very shortly. And uh just before we do, just want to remind you uh if you do intend to speak, please fill out a public comment card at the front and provide it here uh to us and we'll make sure that that you're heard. Ready?
Okay, good evening everyone. Today is July 15, 2025. It is 6:21 p.m. We are the city hall council chambers for the Cape Canaveral City Council regular meeting at 100 Pulk Avenue, Cape Canaveral, Florida. It is I call this meeting to
order. And with that, Council Member Jackson, would you please lead us in the pledge? I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. City clerk, please call the role. Council member Davis, here. Council member Jackson, here.
Mayor Prom Kellum here, Mayor Morrison here, and council member Willis here. All are here. Thank you council and city staff and and the public who's here with us today and thank you for your patience. A little bit of a delayed
start to get going here. Uh we are on item number four to approve the agenda as written or with amendments. I do have a couple at least one one to two changes that I'd like to propose.
Uh the first one is that we pull item number 8B which is titled sewer line extension agreement for the Kravson Port Hotel LLC and I take it up at the next meeting.
And uh I'd like to also propose that we add an item. And a reason uh some good news running a little bit behind is uh that we could schedule a meeting uh probably a special meeting uh to
review uh the agreement for the incoming appointed city manager. Uh, I've spoke with our city attorney and I believe uh we'll be ready to go and uh I'm not sure if the dates are are relevant or was it
August 4th? Um, Mr. Touchberry is um prepared to commence employment with the city assuming an agreement gets approved um on August 4th. So that would require that we have um a special meeting between now and then for the approval on
consideration and approval of the contract. That would be the soonest date. Obviously, if there's it's important I think we're here. Uh so council, if we could say as a matter of order, it might be easier to remove and replace that item 8B if that's appropriate.
That's fine. You can make that item 8 8B for action. scheduling a date for special meeting and uh if it's okay. Yes, I think that's good. So, removing the existing 8B item for action
and replacing it with uh schedule the appointed city manager contract agreement. If there are any other changes, that's all I had at this time. I make a motion to approve the agenda as amended.
I'll second. Got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member Davis to approve the agenda as amended. City clerk, is there any clarification needed on those changes? No.
Okay. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. Council member Willis. I'm sorry. Council member Davis, apologize. Yes. Four. Thank you.
Council member Jackson, four. Mayor Prom Kellum, four. Mayor Morrison, four. And Council Member Willis, four. Okay. Showing 50 approving as amended for item number four. We are now to item number
five which we have uh four items here. The first one is 5A which is a presentation of the 2025 home rule hero award with the Florida League of Cities. Do we have someone here from the League
of Cities or not sure sometimes it's okay. Uh this is a uh council member Don Willis is being recognized as a recipient of the 2025 home roll hero award by the Florida League of Cities
for his hard work and advocacy efforts during the 2025 legislative session. I'll provide the summary of the press release. Mr. Don Willis honored with 2025 home rule hero
award. Cape Canaveral officially recognized for advocacy efforts during the 2025 legislative session. The Florida League of Cities, the United Voice for Florida's municipal governments recently recognized Cape Canaveral Councilman Don Willis with a
2025 home rule hero award for their hard work and advocacy efforts during the 2025 legislative session. Willis worked tirelessly throughout session to promote local voices, making local choices by sharing insights, local data, and real world examples that helped inform state
lawmakers and elevate the voice of Florida cities. Home rule is the ability for a city to address local problems with local solutions with minimal state interference. The Homer Hero Award recipients are local government
officials, both elected and non-elected, who consistently responded to the league's request to reach out to members of the legislature and help give a local perspective on the issue. Don currently serves on the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization
Governing Board, Metropolitan Planning Organization Advisory Council as an alternate, the Cape Canaveral Local Roads Committee, the Florida Department of Transportation District 5, Central Florida Safety Strategic Steering Committee, the Florida League of Cities Federal Action Strike Team, the Florida
League of Cities Education and Training Advisory Committee, and is a member of the Florida League of Cities Transportation and Intergovernmental Relations Mobility and Emergency Management Legislative Committee, East Central Florida Regional Planning Council Board of Directors, where he
also serves on the Regional Resilience Collaborative Council Subcommittee and is a member of the board of directors for the Space Coast League of Cities. Council Member Willis, I do have a presentation from the or an certificate here from the Florida League of Cities.
Be an honor to go down and and take a photograph, but congratulations Council member Willis, if you'd like to say a few words, if you don't mind, please. It's been an honor to serve this city. It takes a lot of work.
But um I'm grateful for the recognition and I look forward to doing more. So thank you. Thank you. The next item that we have is the parks and recreational professionals day proclamation. I have here with me
I believe we have our director and Molly and believe John and maybe a few other teams. I'll come down read the proclamation here for me. There's that staff I was wondering
about. Molly, you could have just pointed them all out for earlier. Excellent. That's good to see. Hold on. We need Wait a second. We need John on the outside. You on the outside.
vertically different. Well, we can take a couple. I'm going to go ahead and read this now. This is an official proclamation of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas the city of Cape Canaveral recognizes that the field of parks and recreation is a diverse and comprehensive system that
improves the social, environmental, and economic health of communities worldwide. And whereas the city of Cape Canaveral exemplifies its commitment to providing park and recreation services through the con conservation and maintenance of 27 acres of green space,
which includes 10 parks, four playgrounds, two youth sports fields, numerous athletic courts, and three brickandmortar facilities that provide quality of life programs and amenities for all ages. And whereas the skilled work of the parks and recreation
professionals builds community cohesion and resiliency, connects people with nature and one another, and provides opportunities that promote healthy living, social equity, and environmental sustainability. And whereas the city of Cape Canaveral values and respects its
park and recreation professionals for the essential services they provide in the development of programs, hosting events, and ensuring that our parks and recreational spaces are clean, safe, inclusive, welcoming, and ready to use.
Now therefore, I, Wes Morrison, mayor of the city of Cape Canaveral, Brevar County, Florida, do hereby proclaim July 18th, 2025 as Park and Recreation Professionals Day and the City of Cape Canaveral, hereby recognizing the hard
work and dedication of these professionals in service to our community signed and sealed this 15th day of July, 2025. Congratulations, Okay. Just a quick thank you to uh the board or sorry I'm used to talking to my board
the council and and the mayor and our interim city manager and even Anthony for all the support that he provides to us. Um but uh this is important for a couple different reasons. Not only do we work really hard to improve the quality
of life for as many residents and as many lives as we can touch, resident or not, um over one quarter of this department is actually staffed by residents. So they have a vested interest in in the community around them to serve and and do the best absolute
finest job that they can do. So I'm very grateful to have such an amazing team. One of these days I'll get the maintenance guys to come in, but they come in really really early, so a six o'clock meeting is kind of a hard ask. So Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thank you.
We are now on to item number 5C which is an applicant interview for the board of adjustment appointment. Mr. Adam Mara, welcome. Come forward. Thank you so much. Before you get started, I'm Our city attorney is
going to ask you a couple of questions. Hi, good evening. Um, the information in your application is true and correct to the best of your knowledge. Yes, it is. So, I always ask applicants, why do you want to serve on on this particular board, the board of adjustment? And I
believe I've seen you at board of adjustment meetings. Yeah. uh took a personal interest when I had a personal issue with uh getting adjustments or uh a variance if you will and took an interest in the process
because it was a very intensive process uh and so it piqu my interest in getting involved. I saw just the need from other citizens in the community to be able to provide insight uh into those types of boards. So that's why I'm here today.
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, council. Council member Willis, Mr. Morara, thank you for applying and being here. And um I'm sure you'll do a very good job. You have a very talented family and I
appreciate your involvement in the community. And that's all I've got to say on that matter. But thank you very much. Council member Davis, I was going to say the same thing and thank you for coming out and I think you'll do an asset to our city.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Council member Jackson. Hi, Adam. Thank you so much for stepping up for this board. I think that you would make a great asset for it. um having worked
with you a little bit before um but also with your unique circumstances and the things that you went through just trying to get to build a up on your property. Um I think that it gives you a unique
perspective when people come in um while giving you while you also have the skills to be able to follow our code as closely as possible. So, I appreciate your volunteering for this board. Thank you, Mayor Pim Kellum.
Thank you, Adam, for being here and and volunteering and your situation gives you the experience you need to be on this board and your background, too. So, welcome and we we're glad to have you. Thank you. Appreciate it. I echo the entire council. We appreciate
you. Does not meet often, but when it does, it's significant as you've experienced firsthand. So, thank you for stepping up to take that on. And if uh yeah, I think there's right out of the gates, you're going to have the meetings you're probably well aware of. So, thank you again. And if you need
anything, this council is here to support. So, all right. I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. At this time, uh we are on item 5D, which is an exciting one. some new city staff introductions. I'll let our
interim city manager take it from here. Uh thank you, mayor. And these folks that I'll introduce are filling vacancies. The these aren't additional being added to our staff above and beyond our count. I thought you'd
appreciate that, Council Member Jackson. I appreciate that, Joe. So, um very excited though. Amanda Bishop is here, our deputy city clerk, came all the way from California. So, Amanda, welcome.
Uh, Marcy King, plant operator. Now, these folks might not be here, but if they are here, Marcy, welcome. I'm glad you're part of the team. Taylor White, our new lab technician. She's not here. Okay. Welcome to Taylor.
And then David Dave Hill, utility mechanic, public works services. Uh, welcome everybody. And I think we got some really good employees here. Uh, mayor. Yes. Thank you. Very nice to meet you all. Welcome to the city of Cape
Canaveral. We're excited to be a part of the team. I love that we do that. Thank you. And with it, we are now con we've concluded item number five, all the presentations and interviews.
And we are on to the public participation item number six. I've got a few cards up here. First one I have here is Dr. Shannon Roberts. Thank you so much. This is a little bit afon from the budget workshop. So, I do
want to uh thank you all for that. And also just to mention it gets to some of the things that u council member Kellum and council member Jackson raised and that's dealing with what I would call a budget friendly for the residents
overview because some of the things like um the grants that u Mickey was mentioning as well as the trend analysis and also the projects. You may remember the strategic planning work that you all have been so instrumental in doing and the goal was to have the strategic
planning for projects aligned with the budget for that coming year. And so this is what worries me. I'm getting at least as one resident I'm getting a lost about the analysis and sort of the upfront overview information for residents. So
we could quickly understand in every way overview way the way the resources are generated the sources of them from the hotels the uh residences other businesses investors you know that there's a way in which that pie is kind
of easily portrayed to the residents. So, I would recommend that we might have what we might call a onepage overview that would be resident friendly to give the overview of the budget that we're looking at cuz right now I must admit I get a bit confused as to where things
are um relative to what we're doing with our money. Um, also with the percentage of increase for employees, to me they're our greatest resource. And if the average is a an average increase of 3% nationally, I would recommend that we
advocate that for our employees. I really ain't for us to short change them and our resources that are allocated to the city. We're as strong as our employees in my opinion, and that I would hope that they would be given a priority in the budget. Um, as it relates to more immediate things, uh,
one of the goals for the vision project was to not have a parking lot when we bought United Agency's building. We've got a parking lot on A1A. And this goes back to the point I was raising at the workshop, which is to understand where we are with all the money that we spent
in an engineering project with the proposal there, which to me was meeting storm water goals as well as the aesthetics and purpose-filled uh use of that land. And I just am so concerned that that's getting lost in the process. I probably missed that
discussion as to why it's been put on the back burner, but I would recommend that we address that again because we've got a parking lot right now in A1A and that's what I know we didn't want not want to have when we took that building down. Um, so that is pretty much it. But
thank you so much for your leadership and contributions to the city and your providing opportunities for us to participate like this. Thank you. John Benton. Okay, I'm still waiting for my code reduction hearing. And in the on the
news clipping here, when you fired morally, it says here that you fired them for being selective on city codes, delayed lean filings, and didn't take care of,
you know, had problematic employees, and he wouldn't take care of them. You guys are the problem because I'm here asking for my code reduction hearing and you aren't you none of you have asked answered. You fired them for something that you
guys didn't do. What's the problem? You don't like my attitude or something? Well, I didn't like walking into a room having seven people believe Kevin man after I testified I didn't live there. laughing and mocking and referring to me as a cookie that crumbles.
Mary Russell was a chairwoman that night. She was up there laughing. Thought it was funny. That's inhumane, laughing at somebody homeless. If the cops went up to homeless people and started laughing at him and calling them cookie and recorded it, they would be fired.
You fired Mr. Green. You gave him $100,000 to leave with no cause. But you fired morally. You should have fired them both at the time when it happened. You fired all the board members.
You didn't fire You didn't fire You didn't fire uh Dicki, did you? Signed a paper for no clause a clause that he wouldn't disparage you guys. He helped me. He told me Kevin Mans in the email that all you guys are on it.
He sent it to you, too. that Kevin man said he his son didn't live in there, but it said on a sex offender site he lived in there and that he said his son was a security guard up there. He should have been in there in that he should have been in that room testifying against me.
You don't send a pedophile and a pedophile groomer, his father and his mother in there to testify against me when I was in that warehouse coming out on a Jew school in Winter Park. I did it in 93 and 20 years later I'm
still doing it. You put them in jail. There's they don't stop. Some of them do. You got to do something about it. You guys cause the problem by not giving I've been to 80 of these meetings. If the people don't want me If there's
people here don't want me in here, they should be asking you, why don't you give John a code reduction hearing? Why why wasn't he allowed to defend himself? Where in the world has that ever happened? She's got to be the worst lawyer in the
world. There's always that lawyer out there that's the worst one in the world and somebody's going to hire her tomorrow. And that was Destin Florida. You owe me a code reduction hearing. That is all the cards that I have. If anyone else intended to speak, please
come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation. Thank you all for participating in that, we are now on to the uh consent agenda item number seven, which is two sets of minutes. the June
June 11th, 2025 special meeting and the June 17th, 2025 regular meeting. I'll make a motion that we accept the consent agenda. A second.
Got a motion by Mayor Pro Tim Kellum and a second by Council Member Willis. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, council member Davis, four,
council member Jackson, four, Mayor Pro Tim Kellum, four, Mayor Morrison, four, and council member Willis, four. Thank you. Consent agenda item seven passes 50.
Now item number eight, we have four I'm sorry. Three items here. 8, A, B, and C. We did amend one. The first one is 8A, resolution 20258, the board of adjustment member
appointment. So, we just interviewed Mr. Mara. At this time, uh, we do need to vote and adopt a resolution to formally appoint him. And I do have one thing I saw. It's nothing substantial but
on attachment one the actual resolution uh here page one of two towards the bottom it says adopted at regular meeting of the city council
on the 17th day of July. That might just be a simple error unless that was that you got it. That was my only thing. And I think if that small change could be
made, we if there's not anything else council, I make a motion to adopt the resolution. I'll second. You got a motion by council member Willis and a second by Mayor Perim Kellum. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, city clerk, adopt the resolution as corrected. As amended. Yes. Thank you. Yes. I I'll restate. Got a motion by uh Mayor Pro Tim Kellum and a second by council member Willis to adopt the
resolution as amended. City clerk. Council member Davis. Four. Council member Jackson. Four. Mayor Prom Kellum. Four. Mayor Morrison four and council member Willis four.
Item passes 50. Item 8A resolution 202508. The next one is item 8B. We removed the existing during uh the amendment of the meeting and replaced it with schedule a
meeting with the city manager. Uh so this would be I think a discussion perhaps looking at the calendars and trying to establish recommend a couple of options at least. Uh the
earliest date uh that the appointed city manager could start would be August 4th and a meeting that week prior which I think is uh in 10 days from today the 20 that week of the 25th
21st through the 25th next week actually the 28th through the 4th because he's I must touch Barry's on vacation the the pre next week or the previous week. So any any meeting um that the council can schedule um from July 28th through
um the 4th somewhere in there. So the week of Monday, July 28th, it ends on a Friday, August 1st. Uh Mr. general city manager. Uh if there is a date that's best for the
supporting staff who need to be here, uh we I think that's something to think about as well. We're going to re I believe the item is to review the agreement. Um and we would we would obviously vote on that agreement and give time for notice
and all the other things. So, as we're talking through dates, does if that week's an issue, please let us know. And uh council is does that I just looked I don't see any issue on my calendar.
Yes, Mayor Pro Tim Kellum. I I will be on vacation till till the 31st. I could um call in or you know attend remotely but okay and I have a second calendar I have to
consult okay I have too many calendars I have to look into the audience and see what I'm supposed to do so only day I could do could not do is the 20th I mean 30th
Okay. So So we're looking at the week of July 28th through August 1st. Is that that's the week correct for those interested in the audience? That's that's under the scenario as
as uh you know that's the soonest he he would be able to start if we as an example were not able to meet until the following week. Uh I think we could just delay the start or
and it would be the 11th. So there needs to be a week. Well, we the 11th is um is the Monday, right? Um yes, I've only discussed with him, you know,
starting on a on a Monday. I haven't discussed starting midweek. Okay, understand. So that week the 4th through the 8th, what we could do here today is establish maybe a couple of options. Um, and if we
need to go home and review, but while we're all together, is that potentially an option? Council member Davis, you would rather do the uh Okay. So, what's best for you is I think you said the 30th is not a good day, but
is the 28th, 29th, 31st, and 1st? Any of those? Okay. Okay. I'll make a note of that. That's good for availability. Uh in the event that it's the following week, it sounds like that would be the best
for you, Mayor Peram Kellum or better. It would be better. Like I said, I'd be more than glad to call in or whatever to be part of the meeting. Okay, Council Member Jackson, you need to go
review your calendar before you're able to. But I'm fairly flexible so I can move things around if I need. Okay. Council member Willis, have you received any from the audience?
I have observed the calendars and either week would be fine. Okay. I'm the same. So, how about Yes. Council member Davis. I mean the seven. Okay.
It sounds like we I mean we can get back to the council, but it sounds like everyone could find some availability on the week of the 28th. Is that correct? with Mayor Pro Tim. She really only has one day though. Are
you saying any if any any time that I need it's fine. Okay. Yeah. Mayor, uh the city clerk uh will not be available the 30th and 31st because she's out of town and
training. Uh but she is available the 28th, the 29th, and the 1st of August. Okay. I think we've uh Mr. City Attorney, that was what do you recommend knowing that that
it sounds like the the 28th and 29th? Oh, no, no, no, no. Of July. I was in the wrong month. Sorry. Uh the the Monday the 28th. July 28th and the 29th would be the best for our
city staff. How about we we try to find one of those dates or one of those days that would give one week ahead of the start date. Um I'm I'm thinking Tuesday the 29th might
be if we had to pick between the two the best of the two. 29th would be that's the best for me to for me. Okay. And if not the 29th, let's just have a second as a backup plan. Uh do we
I would say after is the first August 1st Friday? Yes, that would that's okay. So that I'll have the right staff here on the 29th or the 1st of August. Do we want to do August 1st as a backup if something comes up and we could fall
back on and but we try for the 29th? That's Friday fest. Not that we can't meet anyway, but that uh and and maybe we uh we could meet a little earlier unless Yeah. 400 pm or
even in the between 8 to 5. I think I would be good any time of the day. So yeah, if it's that Friday, I think a little earlier and I mean even Tuesday, I think too early though could be an issue, but
um great. So we've established uh the 29th uh July 29th, which is a Tuesday, and August 1st and that same week, which is a Friday, are two potential dates with the 29th
being the preference. Perfect. Right. All right. Uh, mayor, on the 29th, is it possible to do it at 5:' or do we have to wait till 6? I'm really be better for five. Okay.
I'm okay with 5:00 p.m. Okay. Thank you. 29th. 29th. 5 o'clock. Okay. Okay. You would be available at 5 on the 29th. That's excellent. Thank you very much.
Okay. How about we uh do we just uh if none opposed, I'm seeking consensus here to schedule uh the 29th at 5:00 p.m. And our city attorneys confirmed that Mr. Touchberry would be available. And uh if something comes up, we will go uh I
think that Friday 5:00 pm as well or earlier as a backup. Do we know if that would be an option in the event that um it would be I mean as a backup?
Yes, I'd have to just so we don't have to go back out and and find more dates. We know that if something comes up I think that would be prudent. Sounds good. Okay. Do we need a a motion to schedule special meeting?
Okay. One of those uh the 29th um at 5:00 p.m. or as backup August 1st at 5:00 p.m. And then we'll uh get the proper notices out in the agenda with the draft agreement.
I'll make the motion to schedule the meeting on the 29th as stated by the city attorney. Second. Okay. Got a motion by council member Jackson and a second by council member
Willis as stated by the city attorney. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, council member Davis, four. Council member Jackson, four,
Mayor Pen Canum, four, Mayor Morrison, four, and Council Member Willis, four. All right. Passes 50. That's excellent. Thank you again, city attorney, for continuing to communicate and work with
the appointee, Mr. touchberry berry to make that happen. So looking forward to that. All right. Is there any other business that we need to handle on that matter? No, sir.
Okay. Any further discussion, council? Okay. We replace that item with uh as as item 8B and uh that concludes our items for action. This time we are on to the public hearing portion of the meeting.
Uh item 8 C which is a resolution 202507 a tenative proposed mill rate adoption for fiscal year 202526. The proposed motion is to consider the adoption uh adopting a tenative proposed
millage rate for the levy of advil alarm taxes for fiscal year 202526 on all taxable value of taxable property located within the city of Cape Canaveral. We had a workshop prior to this. Uh this is a public hearing item. So council,
what I'd like to do is if we don't have any technical questions up front, go to the public, give them an opportunity to speak. we can come back discuss have any discussion or debates and uh then we'll seek a motion. So at this time any
questions for technical questions to clarify before we go to the public? Seeing none, this is a public hearing item. If anyone uh doesn't would like to speak, please uh come forward on
resolution 202507 for the tenative proposed mill rate adoption for fiscal year 202526. And if anyone intends to speak would just raise your hand, please make sure seeing no hands raised, we'll go ahead and close uh the public hearing, bring
it back to the council. Mr. Mayor, would this be the time that we could schedule another workshop unless the city attorney has an issue? Just I mean, I would dispense with the um the
agenda item, but and then you want to discuss a a workshop, then you can go ahead and do that unless um I'm assuming you're ready to do adopt this resolution. I've got a question that's related to
Mayor Proam is um in the schedule that was provided in the proposed budget on um right here page 17 it lists today's date July 15 2025 the
budget workshop that we had earlier and then the tenative proposed millid rates established as a part of the 6 p.m. regular meeting. It has a note in bold that says per truth and millillage compliance the highest intended millage rate must be
proposed at this meeting. Any advorum tax rates can be lowered from the initial tax rate proposal. However, no tax rate can be increased after this meeting. the
next the deadline for us to approve this. um having this the scheduled meeting and discussing it with the inter or the incoming city manager I think would be very helpful
and having a chance. Um I know we could just pass a really high uh proposed tenative mill rate but as far as the deadlines go um do when do we have to have that
submitted? I guess that's the DR420 right so what we need to do is by each year by August 4th I have have to already loaded what we decide on here what our tenative proposed mill is in the system that's
the first the first step so if council agreed to how this is proposed at 3.9672 um this week or prior to and in this case I believe One August is a one August is a Friday. So I have all the
way until um August 4th, the morning say of August 4th to stick in the system which satisfy stat satisfies the states. Uh, and I'll put it in earlier than that because council is going to come to some type of conclusion probably today. And
whatever that is, then this rate cannot be increased from this date and then that would go on the notices the Bvard property appraisals will send out. But I just need to I have to confirm in the system and and certify it. So really, I would say by August 1st, that is a
Friday. Um, I'll probably have to I'll probably do it a little bit earlier though because um I am actually on vacation on 31 July through 12 August. Um, so I will not I will not be here.
Uh, but irregardless what's going to happen here tonight when council approves a tenative proposed millillage, that will be the millillage I put in there and then we can move forward. And I I will just add this uh which will
help council. We had a workshop and I think council spoke of some of its intentions on what they would like to do and based on what they had said it doesn't seem like in any manner in that meeting that the millillage would be
above 3.9 672. So with that being said and council had also said that it wants another workshop and then of course there'll be a budget hearing at the beginning of uh
September which allows council then to further at that point by the beginning of September adjust the uh millillage and bring it down if it decides to or what have you. So basically what I'm saying is is based on the discussion that in the the
workshop we had um if council was to go ahead and just lock in the rate of 3.9672 then that that's your point and then going forward you would only be voting or you be having workshops and what have you discussing if that's going to come
lower because after tonight it can't go higher. Okay. Mayor Pro Tim, I you were asking about the schedule. I think we're definitely going to tackle that, but I guess that was should we start this? Can we start it?
Is it going to cause an issue? Uh knowing that August 4th, the city manager would not come on until the following, the 11th, I think, the way we've got it. Oh, no, no, we we maintain. So, it would be the same. Yeah, he would come on on the 4th.
Okay. What are the implications of us adopting a millage rate even if it was what it is today? I guess I don't fully understand the trim. That's your starting that that's your that's your point where you lock that's what you lock in and from there now you
could discuss whatever you want up until you know your budget hearings on where where you want to land. Um, but it it just locks in there and that's what I put in the system because I have to put I have to put a tenant proposed millage in the system for the state. Do we know the intent of why they want a
tenative proposed mill? Because that that that the millage that's established from the tenative resolution is the mill proposed millage rate that goes on the notices to taxpayers to to property owners. So
they're going to see that that's the propo that's like the tenative proposed and then I think the um tax collector does some calculations about you know if it's adopted what the possible tax tax uh consequence is um
but at the end of the day um that also serves as the maximum cap okay so when the council adopts the tenative millillage and the final millillage the council can't go above what was advertised to the property
owners unless you revertise to the property owners, right? A higher rate. So, it serves this resolution serves two purposes and that's notice to property owners with the dates, public hearings
and so forth and and then then you have two more hearings, tenative and final. So, the implications would be that the trim notices that go out would show a 3.9 a tax increase. And I think it's important to state that the resolution
before us here um has just give me a second. I want to pull that resolution up. Here we go. I'm I'm referencing section one. Yeah.
On the first page there. Uh before us it says the total tenative proposed millillage for all city operation purposes is 3.9672 mills on the dollar of taxable value for the 202526 fiscal year for the city of
Cape Canaveral Florida. The millage represents an increase of 22.1654% above the rolled back rate of 3.2474 mills. The that number is derived from
combining the two library, right? Right. Section two and three. Yeah. Section and then it breaks that that total number down. Um, so I guess the implication would be that yes, I don't
think we we I don't as mayor do not want to increase. Uh, and as council member every year, this is my seventh year, I've never wanted to do an increase. Um, so I think if we can figure out a way to
lower it, uh, residents receiving 22% increase, I might be mistaken, but that might be the largest tax increase using page 80 of the budget book
measured over the roll back rate. Uh, we reduced taxes by 3 and a.5% last year. The year prior there was a 7 and a half% increase. The year prior to that was 3.8. It stayed flat backto back years.
There was a couple less than 1% decreases prior to that. And then there was the n this is right when right after I or right before I got on. Uh and honestly a big reason why I ran it. It was a 19% increase. Uh which was the
biggest. this one exceeds and and it goes all the way to 20145. So in 10 years, the 19% increase was the largest. This would uh this would adopt it. And I just want to say to the council, I had
no intention that that we as a majority voted to decrease last taxes last year and then turn around the very next year and make up for it and then some. I mean, it's three times the amount in 2324.
Um, so I I just weary and reluctant to even send it out on the trim notice. It does not represent my intent and that's all I want to say about that. So, thank you. Mayor Pertim, did you have anything else?
Um, no. I just, you know, we got a lot of information tonight from um Joey, from K, from Don. Um, so I think that we definitely need another um budget hearing or budget workshop.
Um, so that's what I wanted to make sure we get that scheduled tonight sometime in here. But adopting the millage is and I cannot see a 22% increase myself, so I can't support that.
Come up with something else. Do you want to have a budget workshop before taking action on this item or take action and then adjust after?
I think Anthony said we have to pick a a number tonight. Well, no, you have to pick a number by the deadline because you have to adopt the resolution by the deadline. If you're not comfortable with adopting the resolution tonight, and from what I'm hearing from John, you have additional
time, then you have to schedule a meeting to get to a point where you can adopt the resolution. So if you again, if you're not comfortable, then you know, I guess you need to schedule a meeting.
The best meeting would be that the city manager is here. we meet the the state the required deadlines. We don't cause too much pressure. Uh and you know it's too short of a turnaround time and so the window to and would we have to
readvertise or could we uh as far as I know this was public hearing item that went through some notice requirements. I think in the past we've been able to this was no this isn't this is tenant proposed. This isn't advertised. This one is not advertised.
No, this is this is just Yeah, I could I add a little perspective to this? Yes, sir. Um, so, uh, based on what the attorney is saying, it's right. You know, you know, this has to be done by, you know, by August 4th based on the state's
requirements, whatever. But now I just want to remind council that and I know mayor where you're coming from on the perception of a 22% increase but if you were to change this tonight you have to determine what elements of
the budget are going to change to get to that number. Like in other words, you could couldn't just say tonight, um, let's go down to 3.5000 just so that's what the residents notify the residents. If
council did something like that, what you're basically doing is you're putting the onus, well, you're putting on the onus on yourself because now you have to cut enough things to get down to 3.5. And then moving forward, you have the other workshops and the other hearing.
And then if you want to go lower, you could. But there is decisions that have to be made on what you are going to cut to get down to whatever you decide tonight. If you go at 3.9,
of course, you know, it says 22%. And that sets the thing, but it only could come down, but there are additional meetings. But to come down lower, and correct me if I'm wrong, uh, Anthony, to come down lower, you can't just arbitrarily say, "Okay, let's come
down, Joey, to 3.5 that cuts $700,000 or $600,000 off the budget tonight." Well, us as staff need to know what those cuts are that you want. We need to know going forward what you want to cut. They have to be identified.
Um, otherwise, then the onus is put out. Otherwise, the onus is put on council in the next workshop to somehow determine that based on the number they picked, what gets us to that millillage. That's all I got. Understood. And I think that we're going
to be able to do that. The rolled back rate for uh or the combined roll back rate is 3.2474. It's that last number right in the section one. Uh, I would be comfortable
with adopting that and I'm fully comfortable with lowering taxes this year. We can do it and the new city manager I think can can help and our finance department but I can can get involved. I I do want to state though that is you know the administrative
duties to go in and figure out we as a council have to vote on approving a budget. We do have to do that, but to go in and do the work and identify uh exactly what should be cut and some of the things that C really council member
Jackson was pointing out outside the CIP, outside the reserves, not talking about police and fire, I think is an exercise that that should be done. Um and seeing options in the budget would be something that I am going to discuss with the incoming city manager that we
see what is the budget look like at roll back rate what is a a 5% decrease or whatever this council desires and what is that 5% increase if we could you know invest or maybe it's 10 lower 10% I'm
just using numbers as kind of a three options that's something I've always wanted as a council uh to to have options and uh our finance department in the past has has put together some summaries to show some options, but uh
I'm willing to dig in. Uh it's just going to take I think easily a half day if we're going to come together and go through and have to figure out why increases are happening in areas. and uh
I'm willing to do that, but I think we need to have a budget that reflects the desire and the will of this council. And I would like to see a tax decrease in the in the in the again um the total
dollars that came into the city 6.3 million uh at roll back rate is another 6.3 million and I understand the increases in police and fire but uh there are grants potentially out there
there's uh other fees uh we have uh partners in the community that we can work with and uh it's just for me I'm speaking as one I I have no desire to show
a tax in increase at all. Um we've got a lot of revenue coming into the city and we've been blessed with windfalls of cash. I mean millions and millions of like you said ARPA money. We didn't know ARPA money was going to come. We don't know but it came and so we can't predict
the future that certainly not counting on it but uh disasters and the things that I think we had our reserve set aside for FEMA slow uh and controversial at times but we've got access to capital with the state revolving funds to to
handle uh investments. Uh but our brains are not the ones that can go in and and deter look within a line item and determine we might think that some line items should actually increase once we learn
more. And so I think finance department needs clear direction. But I would say this uh without unless there's something in there concerning with police, fire, the reserves,
what what would we cut and and not CIPs? maybe a few, but that's a tough decision that I don't think this council should have to figure out like, right? And and mayor, based on your assertions there, I think if you look on
my memo at the bottom, ba basically, if you go down to 3.2474, 2474. Here's why this budget is presented as such. Then that's going to decrease with now
without cutting CIPs or whatever that's going to decrease our reserves by 2.2 million. Now even if we cut even if we cut many of the general fund not enterprise fund general fund CIPs
what I'm saying as your interim city manager as your finance director and whatever else you want me to do. Okay. Uh a little levity helps a little bit. So, the um what I'm saying, mayor, is I
may not be able to find $2 million. That's all I'm saying. And is it is it this an administrative thing? I agree that yes, we're the experts. We will delve in and see administratively, but but in the end, of course, council is
going to say, "Well, John, you're not cutting the air conditioner." You know, something like that. So, this is a tough it's a tough cookie. And it but I mean could we find $2.2 million? I'm telling you that we cannot. Could we find some
money? Yes. But I know I can't find $2.2 million. I don't have it. That's all I'm saying. So, and and let me ask let me ask a question here. Um Anthony, I'm going to ask you this question. When we
look at this, if council said tonight, they're concerned about if if they're all council is, we haven't heard from them, the perception of a 22% increase. And we went over here and I had Joey look at the numbers and they said, "Well,
at least to lock it in, John, we're okay with a 15% increase just to start the process." Then Joey would go in there and say this is what the impact is on reserves and then we would work from there. But we need some point to work
from the point I'm making is is if we lower it, we need to be prepared on what how we get there. And I I don't know that because I'd have to the city manager I think fundamentally might have a different strategic vision.
He may not see things the same way as the former and certainly the time you've helped hold the fort down, but we've made some structural changes under your leadership. I mean, there's been new employees. Uh there's been uh things that the council has supported, and I
think when he has a chance to get in here, he might see some opportunities to to cut. And if we reach a point that we can't find it, well, uh, that I think I think that's I'm willing to accept that reality. But
yeah, but we do need a number going in and I do leave the country on July 31st. So, I mean, it it would be nice by July 30th for us to work a number and um, so thank you. Yes, Council Member
Jackson. Um, I think we need to have this meeting, you know, sooner rather than later. Um, I think it's good for the city manager to have the input though and the new city manager. My concerns with adopting
something right now um prior to whenever it's due is because when we did that last year, every time we talked about it not being that rate and lowering it, it was a big issue. I mean, and that was my first year, but
every time we talked about lowering it, literally we had no money. We're broke. We can't do this. And it was literally $500,000. Mhm. difference. So, it concerns me to adopt it too soon. Um I do believe we need to
um to have our meeting. I would love for the new city manager to be there because this is going to be his budget to manage and maintain and and work within as he leads the city as the new city manager.
So, John, what is the drop dead date that you have to have something? Well, the drop dead date is August 4th. Okay. And then you But I I will I will not be here after July 30th. Now, if we had to push it
because the first is a Friday and the fourth is a Monday. I mean, I have a de I I have a finance director deputy and finance manager here. I would be able to assist them before they left when they have to update the system. That's not
the problem. The problem though is getting to the number that council wants to get to in a timely manner so uh we can put at least the tenative um
proposed millillage out there. So could we do this and this is just a curiosity question. Could we go ahead and have our meeting where we look at how we whittle this into place? Let's how we whittle it into place. Um
and council work, we have those, you know, that session where we all work together and try to see what we can do. Mhm. Then with the results of that, have the meeting with the new city
manager because we would have come to a conclusion that we think this millage rate is what we may want and then have one with him to confirm and ask him does he see any changes and then Joey could
but that is a tight window because you're talking about having his meeting on the 29th of July. That would be an awful lot for I don't care how good this new city manager is to come into a new budget. It's kind of unfair to for him
to look at entire budget and say, "Okay, you guys do all this or or we direct him." The the thing about it is I think what I heard the mayor say is he wants to hold a 20% initially at least to his 20% city policy of unobligated reserve.
So with that being said, then one working manner of it would be is that this this is going to affect the unobligated reserve any which way we slice it. We're going to have to use some unobligated reserve. Is that
detrimental to the city? Not I feel with my experience whatever if we can keep at least 3.2 or 3.3 million in the unobligated reserve. The city's in the same position it's been in prior
years um because we're a little bit more healthy in unobligated reserve right now. So, uh, I think and what I'm saying to you, um, my finance staff is that gives that that gives us a 700 that $750,000
if we had to use that reserve to accommodate where council's going to go with the millillage, then that's doable without affecting the welfare of the city, I feel. But beyond that, you know,
and 747, uh, using 747 right now gets us down to 3 point is 3.9672. If you want to bring it down more, now you're looking at possibly as staff
administratively, the way we get there, because we can't do any magic here, is um, I would be pushing out the air conditioner for this building for another year. that would cut at 325,000 and then I'd begin to look like that and
then um we could do do more analysis but I I I think getting down to um roll back of the 3.2 that's that's that's a big chunk of change and that's that's all I'm saying.
So I want to Could I say something? Yes, please. you're um and I'm I want to know what the city manager is going to say too. And he might like to go high or low, whatever. We don't you know what he's going to do. So why don't we do the
9 369 whatever the higher number and then that way we always can go down where we go otherwise we can't go up. So at least have the higher number as it is and then we can go down and that will solve the
problem. And for the point, yeah, for the point board that will give the city manager an opportunity from the 4th of August all the way through the first budget hearing and also having a workshop to go ahead
and see what his perspective is on what else he wants to cut to get down to potentially at least get this tires thing and let's do it that way because we can drop it off if we have to. Well, there's two things with that. One
is that's a very efficient way to to take action right now and end this discussion. Uh but I don't think that it's going to be a good fit with the desires of this council and community to think that the incoming city manager is
going to propose an increase. Uh I I never say never, but I don't anticipate that. And frankly, I don't I did the t the prop the words tentative proposed millage rate
going out shows our intent is uh I think off base. Um I would I would propose a roll back rate today and uh
let's make that work. uh we we have to do the resident. I know we break down per house and I appreciate that. We showed a range from 100,000 to half a million. Um there's not a lot of $100,000 homes in
Cape Canaveral. Uh but it's appreciated. But I just look at the total amount of money um each year in taxes. It's a we're proposing 1.5 more or I guess uh
yeah 6.3 uh to 7.9. So yeah, the biggest increase that amount of money has to come out of my neighbors, the businesses, the the
everyone 22% higher than last year's ex tax bill, which was high. We've had record property value increase and we were hitting tax increases with it when we should have been holding.
Thankfully, last year we we did great, but uh I I've I've remained consistent since 2017 and I I have no intention to change because I I believe I'm aligned with the
constituents of this community at large and that is figure out ways to provide a a quality level of service at a lower cost. And so it's just so far in the
wrong direction. And every year we say, well, we can do whatever we want after. And then we're in this situation where we're looking at graphs this year showing what we originally proposed was this. And then you reduced it by that
much. That little chart we saw earlier, it said we were originally this. Well, that means we're going to be in this situation again when it doesn't line up with where we are today. Um, prior to this meeting, I I did state
that I was looking for a tax increase as an individual member. Um, and I was a bit shocked when I saw the budget come over. I I I uh it just it went really high. And I
know there's we the we and what we want is a blend of the organization. It's not all council. It's what city staff, city council combined. And I think
we can find if we can't figure out a way to make this year work based on last year's revenue, then we have bigger problems. And the C5 is was budgeted at like $5,000 in
O andM cost that was not going to increase our taxes. And there was not one workshop. I've said this and it was jammed through. And that project today is sitting there and it's got issues as we're well aware of. We're not able to
maintain it. Mayor Pro Tim Kellum was elected based on taking care of what we have. And so we're in a circumstance today to where we're feeling we're feeling it. And police and fire
and infrastructure must go on and those nice to have amenities. we might have to take a hard look at some of those things. And and I know those aren't fun conversations,
but it I was told everything's going to be okay. We're going to figure it out. And it's uh it was too big too fast. And that's not me. That's what the residents were saying. And so here we are. And I was a 4 to one vote. And thankfully,
Mayor Pro Tim came on and and and thankfully today, last year, we had enough to to give what the citizens deserve. The governor's request is not crazy to me. I'm aware the committee that was appointed, it didn't make it through the legislature. I'm ready to
talk to them. Another letter for Doge has come to uh the mayor's office and the city of Cape Canaveral and we can do this and we do not have to compromise the quality of life for our
city employees. I believe that we've passed some retirement increases. We need to take care of our people. uh and and I know that makes CIP's raise, but we've also seen line item budgets that are really high number
and we don't have quotes on it and we come out well under budget. So, uh the cash in the bank today, I do not want to pull from reserves. We cannot violate our 20% policy. We can't do
that. So, if that 757,000 is there, I can't knowingly vote that that's going to put us at 19%. And maybe we should change from 20% to the
GFOA recommendation of 17.5%. And get two readings of that through. Maybe that's a viable way. But I want to work with our team here, our city staff, and and figure out a way to make this work. But we've uh
we're going to have to make some tough decisions and I'm ready to do it. So, uh Mayor, uh the obviously when you look at when we talk about the 2.2 2 million
reserve, whatever. The one thing you have to look at is the police and fire, and we're not going to mess with police and fire like the mayor said, and I agree, but that is impacting us. $1.5 million, that is where the biggest hit we're taking. Now, this is why we're in
this discussion. Um, these are this is a significant increase. And a $325,000 air conditioner. So, you're looking at almost 1.8 million right there. and and and that's so now we have to find a place where we there
was increase there and we got to take it from someplace else. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money to find and I don't know if I could find it. I I do not know if I could find $1.8 million. Have we um
the process for Bard County Sheriff's Office is through their CFO. They they work on their their budget and come back. That's correct. Yeah. because you you know our internal departments I think I understand that but they fit within the the same procedures as its own separate
department I assume and the number comes over and it uh the increases I'm I'm I'm understanding that those are two important things um without those
impacts we don't even have to have this conversation Well, maybe we talk with and I'm happy to talk with the Bvard County Sheriff's Office and and understand that and see if they're aware of any uh grants or opportunities uh
that we can help. Maybe they're they're able to be flexible. Um or they say, "No, this is we believe this is what's needed." Um, and and maybe that moves me a little bit, but I think understanding that like last year our fire department
came forward and said, you know, they were able to hold off. Um, I don't know what we got to do uh or how we're going to do it exactly, but I know we can do it. And
I don't think a tax increase is needed. And Bvard County Sheriff's Office maybe if if they understand that uh and we can and learn a little bit more if if they have any opportunities to help out, maybe they will. I'm
certainly not going to to push, but maybe they're willing to to to help or they can see that our challenge is trying to keep uh taxes low and
I think fire departments adding three new but understanding the reason for that. Um I don't want to just turn a blind eye to them. I I will listen and I think the whole council can have an opportunity to listen to that too and and maybe that
that helps us but or unless you have any um additional information on why we are increasing three firefighters um we share with the port uh and and there was some federal grants there with fire too through uh
Congressman Heridopoulos's office. I don't know if we qualified for that, but as Mayor Pro Tim Kellum was talking about, a full-time grant writer uh certainly would pay for themsel as successful. And our city's been successful with grants. Uh but but
there's a big difference in a full-time grant writer and using our existing city staff to work. I think the existing city staff would absolutely still always be involved within their relative departments, but this is the person that can stay on the hunt and and the city
directors could could work with them subject to the administration's uh desire and the new city manager. Um so the the roll back rate of 3 uh two
474 would achieve 64 million roughly in revenue. It's Joey's checking. I know it's not exactly the same amount as last year because you have the new um
Well, our gross taxable value went up 3.1%. Um, just look at the ad calc, Joey, and that'll tell you exactly what the mayor is looking for. Uh, going to a roll back rate would give
the city a um a combined total revenue of 66,591,000. Thank you very much. One more time. 6 million 6 million 591,000,000. Thank you.
Just under 6.6 million. and uh protective services, fire and county sheriff's office absorbs all of that plus the extra as you said, John, and
that's where you're coming up. Okay, I've said enough to I have a question about firefighters, the three new firefighters. Is that part of I mean, we share them with the port. Are they are they kicking in on this increase for the new
firefighters? 5050. Yeah. Uh you know, I I I believe that's so what I'm going to do is um I'll contact Chief Sergeant tomorrow because even last year, Chief Sergeant provided an in-depth uh letter
that stated, you know, how much the truck would cost and then he described the three positions he needed. So, I'll get that for counsel. Okay. All right. So we could see exactly how that's expressed, whether it's 100% or 50% of that stuff.
And then I I I think I asked you you and Joey the other day about the um the protective services because we cover Avon by the city. If the the increase in what the county gives us, is that
right? They gave us they give us that rebate of what is it Joey? 234,000 this year something like that. Um because since that's not part of the city they go ahead and then give us um
is it 234 or 232? So, how do they I mean, if it's increasing by 573,000, is that how do they calculate what percentage they give us? The finance officer at the sheriff's
department could send us that information. Joey, why don't you tomorrow just send a message to their finance officer and have him send us um the breakout on how that's calculated so council could see uh what that is. It's
not negotiable. It's actually pure numbers that come out to that. Okay. Thank you. The new VI fire vehicle 550,000 is our cost, our share and Right. It's a it's a $1.1 million truck.
Right. Right. So that we we pay half of it. So, it's um the total cost of the the truck though is over a million dollars and it won't be ready until 3 years from now. Yeah. Well, that's what that's what they're going Yeah, that's what they're going in with. So, that is we're on the
hook for $550,000. And there the is that adding a new truck or replacing an old one? That's the new That would be the new truck. So, that is Yeah, they got 550,000 for the new truck. Yeah, that's that's adding a new truck. That's our share. 550,000 and we're going to keep the existing
trucks we have. So, we'll have an additional truck. I am not certain of if we swap truck. I don't know. Think we hang on to the old truck? I don't believe so. Do we sell that truck or or who owns
that truck when that asset is sold? Is that revenue that we're considering? Yeah. um go ahead and um put that also in your memo to Dave Sergeant about what happens with the old truck. Do we get
does the city benefit in any fashion or form uh from this from getting a new truck and getting rid of that truck? Okay. And as far and it is a 5050 with the port, right? Um
it's under ARPA. It's ARPANS for that one. We are using the source of ARPA. Okay. Yeah. I think last year we were here and then we had reached back out to them. I don't think we reached out to Bvard County Sheriff's Office, but just
letting them know that our goal is to uh to try and determine if if if there are any reductions or move to next year and u maybe there are, but yeah, the revenue to that truck, I think I don't know how
that would be accounted for um sale of assets, But well yeah, you can't even sell the old truck because it makes it takes two years to build the new truck. It takes like two years to get the new truck.
Yeah, fire trucks take a long time to be received. Um, I have a question and I know we we could get into this in our in our um workshop, but just an example of of line item things that you know concern is
concerning to me and I'm sure the rest of the council um like the budget detail on the resiliency division page 39 um operating supplies went from $1,000
to $22,000. So it's things like that that you know why such an increase and what does that it's page 39. Yeah. Okay. And that's just as a sample of you know going through line by line to figure out
where we could save money. Um well we do have an itemized list for that. So we can give that to you promp and see exactly, you know what I'm saying? What we're what we're doing there, what we're buying there. Why is that
um increasing? So that'll be in our workbook. So we could answer those questions. And we're my staff's taking notes right now. So and the building department just went double. I don't understand that one. And we're
um I I think you know it's not just a percentage. You'll see a big percentage increase. It's there's a minimum dollar and I think the one the Mayor Pro Tim pointed out, you know, anything that's going to be over $5,000
um is of of interest. I guess first wave uh in in firming up some of these numbers. Um how how certain are we especially on this CIP and instead of striking CIPs uh
just reducing CIPs? Um we um you know we went through this last year at the budget time when and we went through every operating fund and said why can't we cut 10% off of every operating total operating budget for
each department. Mhm. Um, you know, I could see that happening again. But again, you know, we I think for tonight, we need to decide on the the millillage that we're going to start
with and get the new city manager on board, see what he has to think or say, and um and have another meeting and go through these things. I think that's there's
money out there. So, what would be the middle of the road millillage between what we have now and roll back? I have it somewhere in here. The middle of the road millillage would
be um the total millage would be 3.673. Um and we have that on this document. Okay. And if we I know you I just can't find it right now. I got too many papers up
here. Um how what would that do to the reserves if we had to Oh, thank you. There you go. Oh, I see. Okay. And it would bring it down to 15. Um, so last year we did a
a tax decrease. And how did that affect the reserve? Um, well, last year it wouldn't have because we found when we took the $800,000 hit for reducing taxes,
we removed $800,000 from the from the budget, which um and one of those things we removed was the fire truck, which was $550,000. So we we were fortunate there that and you know where Dave's came back. Matter
of fact, Chief Sergeant is watching and he sent me a message. So Joey, this is something we have answered for council already. Message from uh chief sergeant about selling a truck. No, that would um
that would be very costly on repairs for selling a truck. So the price he gives includes what he can get for it. So the price that we're like a trade in. Yeah. Yeah. So at the time we Yeah. So
that's a good way to to say it. So we wouldn't hang on to it because you know we got a new truck and then we get a trade in includes what we can get for it. Yeah. a suggestion
that staff we would definitely look at um tomorrow when we sharpen our pencils, whatever. But the mayor's suggestion that you know the city back in 200 it was I believe back in 2008 or 2009
determined that it would have a 20% city um policy fiscal policy um actually the GFOA percentage which cities go by is actually 16.7%.
And so if council considered changing from 20% to 16.70 um that would help in uh lowering or at least landing at a
starting point for the uh for the tenative proposed mill. Would that be in line with um the halfway mill? That's in line. Joey, could you put that or I'm sorry, Esther, could you put that
slide up again so we can see what that does? I think it was that's a key that is a key point. I mean, you know, it's Cape Canaveral's preference to have a 20%, but what's it it's acceptable to have 16.7 without
pres without um uh you know violating anything. So, okay. So, here's the proposed uh 397747 that
see that that there Councilman uh Willis that 3.9250 that as a starting point that that would use the reserves of 747 which would make our percentage go down to 7.7.
So that really is not significant. And I do want to say this when we're looking at what we said in 2008 Mhm. And it is now 2025.
Maybe it's time for decisions to be made because times have changed. I remember that time back then and there was no one here and there were foreclosures and the real estate had bottomed out and all of these things. That's when the real estate Yes. That's when the real estate bombed out
and so the taxes were low that year if I remember like this. Yes. And so that having that in the legislation or to do that every year made total sense back then. Maybe it doesn't make quite as much sense now.
It probably was a reflex action based on what happened with the economy. Yeah. To ensure that they had reserves, right? So I think that we need I hear these things a lot when we're dealing with things with the city. Oh, we did this back in 2012. We did this. We're looking
at this from 2008. We really need to look at what's happening, you know, a little more current in our times. So maybe it time it is time to look at how we want that changed if if we want that changed because our pro our Avalor taxes
have gone up from the hotels as well. So looking at this saying we need 20% reserves all the time when um literally our abalorum taxes have gone up already.
We may need to make some adjustment on that. The intent these what if scenarios I think it was based on I think two I think two months I think actually two months
of uh but they when they went to 20% probably went beyond the two months but it was two it's it is two months. Yeah the city would want to have unobligated reserve two months which for some cities that's a lot of money
and it would would have made sense back then because literally I was sitting here going where's everyone? I mean, there were so many people that were out of here. It was so um it was a strange time. Uh so it makes
sense that we revisit whether that 20% is really necessary or if we go with the recommendation. Do we know why building is increasing from 457,000 to 815,000?
Yes. Yes. 78% increase. Yes. Yes, we do. Do you want to Do you want to talk Do you want to talk about what's in the workbook in front of you now? Yeah. And give the mayor at least a small Yeah. Okay.
I'm on page 12 of the budget book. It's the city of Cape Canaveral expenditures. Um the reason why building has gone up so much um is the same reason why the CED has gone down so much because we just moved personnel from the CED
department to the building um department. Okay. It's a a 29% well uh $300,000 reduction was a million dollar in community and
economic development for the current fiscal year and that went down to $75,000. So that's the 300,000 and then building. So it's the difference of those two
maybe Yeah, it's mainly in the um the personnel because we moved the the personnel from the CED division to the building. So that is where the the the change in cost is but there could be maybe
well less than I see. Yeah, I think those things are interesting. I think that report I I said I'd give council too where they could see the uh
salaries uh by department and and the positions that are in that department. I think that's going to be real helpful, too. And so that same logic uh administrative services
737,000 is reduced down to 729,000 but it's it has a IT department in here or no it it just information technology ology, but that's going up a half a million dollars.
So it and that IT department was within administrative services. Still on the same page, I think understanding I I see some of the CIPs and the CIPs are within these proposed numbers on page 12 of the budget book,
right? That's total I think. Let me Yeah, that's the total budget. Yeah, that's whatever not just operating, right? Um okay and yeah I think that understanding I mean really this is efficient just all
these would be good to even understand is just because it's a deep decrease doesn't mean that the best for our city maybe it needs to decrease more but yeah I would think if if we're removing it out of
administrative services Um it looks like administrative services actually increased and it really increased, right? But the the the um and and it could get confusing because you'd have to see the workbooks, but remember that
the budget for the um uh computers and what have you. The equipment maintenance the equipment maintenance line it is a non-EP departmental because now there's an IT department that moved that will
move to IT. So we have two employees in IT accompanied by the equipment maintenance budget and the two CIPs that they have. That's was that that equates to the 515.
So there's just like as in the past when we had the resiliency division, but we didn't have one. We didn't have a resiliency division. Those costs were in community and economic development. But then when we got the resiliency division with Zach and his team, when that was
established, then those monies moved to the resiliency division thereby lowering community and economic development. Okay. I think it would be really helpful because this is a part of the confusion is divisions, departments
by department, right? I think what are our departments? um because it's hard to follow that the trends when you when you have divisions and departments and we're doing what you're talking about and I remember those things to me. I think this
council, you know, we create departments. We as a council, we also then need to when we create a department need to decide how we're going to fund that department. And so if we had a list of the departments and then if
resiliency is a division still in that department, it would be helpful for us to see a breakdown of departments. um because these new line items and like it is not a department and we're calling it a division but for us for the
efficiency I think we want to keep that under the current department it's in until that department is actually and if that department is actually created I I'm not
and then nonep departmental is a massive amount of money that I don't think brings a lot of uh comfort to the residents knowing that we have $4.1 million in non-dep departmental. Last year it
was $3.7 million. That's where transfers are coming out of. They're going to they're going out of the general fund. We could show you we could show you that that that although that looks like a big amount, those um there's money is being
transferred out of there. Okay. that's coming from the revenues, but like for instance um uh money's transferred to what Joey storm water ARP ARPA going to the CRA things of that nature. Yeah, there's
that that's that money is not just sitting in um in the in the general fund. It's being it's being transferred uh uh a lot of it to uh the other departments or to the enterprise fund CRA enterprise fund.
Yeah, I think I see $4.3 million this year. A million of it's operating that's not being transferred. Another million of it. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. And not granting aids is one two million
and then there's a bunch of transfers to your point for so 25% of it appears to be transfers and then each department has its own or it's got its own contingency of two. I guess that's the total
no that's the total contingency for the general fund. Okay. So that's important. So if it's uh so we got this contingency of 200,000 and then we got a million in operating. I guess can can we start moving some of these operatings into departments? I
mean I understand the some of them but well the reason in audit finance audit yeah the reason they're like that mayor is because um they're non-EP departmental. The even
the reason for the name is that it represents all the departments in the general fund. So that that supports all the departments in the general fund. They're not like we won't take the audit number and divide it by eight. Um we we have that that's in the general fund
captured that covers the part of the audit for the general fund. Then if you go into enterprise fund you'll see a similar number for wastewater and storm water for audits. So that that's why that's there because it's unique to like for instance professional services and HR.
Well, HR supports all the employees. So it's not going to be broken out in departments. It's going to be captured here. But HR is its own department. I don't think no. These are the professional services for HR. There's a description
in our workbooks uh that will show you that even the legal ads and recording fees below it. Those are professional services that um you know the city clerk puts out for all of the general fund, not just one
individual department. And that's why this stuff's captured like this. I understand. But things like uh you know 24,000 A1A replenishment that can't that could go into uh infrastructure maintenance or even its intent, right? I
mean RNR replenishment, I think you're saying that goes into all departments. Well, could we, you know, divide that's 366,000 and then 442,000 in insurance. Couldn't that be divided
up uh appropriately to see, you know, there's a million dollar. Um well, something like the there's some unique stuff in there like the A1A replenishment. That's what council had passed. Uh, and we're collecting that
for I believe 10 years. You guys, uh, a couple years ago approved that. So, we have to put $24,000. That's actually, you know, that's a replenishment that's being held there until, you know, um, until we decide that we're going to use
it um, for whenever you start to get incur cost or do things with A1A. That's something council approved. So currently we have uh we're in we have July obviously to finish August September
we have two and a half more months really just two more months of operating under our current budget. If there are any expenditures uh at the end of the year that can be frozen or held off on the council could consider to get an understanding of how
much money we have available. maybe we realize, hey, we don't want to do that. And I mean, we recently just approved quite a bit of expenditures in the city. And, you know, looking at this, uh, it makes me pause on some of them. Um, and
we also might have to sell some assets. I know that's hard, but we have we have some assets that in in that whole strategy that may not do a lot, but uh, just the cost to manage them and keep them. Um,
I know our vehicles are we we trade them in or maybe there's some different approaches there. Uh, I was wondering if we could use fleet type of scenario for vehicles instead of every department just ordering their own
vehicles. is we found it not we found it not that that's not cost effective because we do not have a big a big fleet and we monetize these vehicles and every time a vehicle you know we have to replace it or goes to pot so to speak. It's amazing that we do get a fair price
for junk which is very interesting. We put it on the well right now there's a huge market for used cars because that's that's been what's been going on about the last five to seven years. Um, but I don't understand why why we can't
have it as a fleet service for certain departments because there there's a we we we did something like that for public works and found out that the best best bang for our buck. Well, no. And I wouldn't think that that would be a great idea for public works
to be honest. They need their vehicles because if something happens, they've got to get out there to fix it. Um, but I'm talking about up here. We've got park department wanting them. We've had the resiliency division wanting them and those kind of things. Most of the people
there are here in this area. So, why would we need a separate vehicle for those types of groups? That's what I meant. Well, right. Currently, we only have one vehicle for city hall um city
hall um workers outside of the building department. Of course, there's a few there's trucks there because they have to go out, right? But but as far as all the other employees, we just got that new um vehicle that's basically probably be
used mostly with Zach in resiliency, but every other employee who would need the vehicle to utilize it for daily or whatever the case may be, whatever purpose it was, that vehicle is being used by multiple people. Well, and my
question, let me ask you this, John, because having to have a vehicle when it's not when you're not in it for like 70% of your job. Okay. And that So, why is that a we have
to have it? Because most munis well, I know a lot of government positions, they don't do that. you turn in your mileage at at the government rate on an expense report. So, um, for ones that are asking for it that
are groups that are not tied to the vehicle, you know, at a certain percentage, do we really need to do it or could we reimburse mileage? We're a 1.2 m 9 mile city, right? Or something like that. But you're not talking about the
building the department and code enforcement, are you? No. No, no, no. Okay. Because outside those guys have to have it and so do public works. Outside of that, we only have one vehicle for all the other uses and it's it's being used. We got one vehicle for
But do we have it in place for them to get reimbursed for mileage in case they do need to go and the vehicle is not available? Absolutely. Okay. And that's scrutinized uh by myself um as the interim city manager, but it's also scrutinized by myself
as the administrative financial service director. And that may be an alternative to having to buy more vehicles because you know what? A lot of employees have to do that and turn in their mileage when they utilize their own car. That's
why there's a federal mileage rate for vehicles utilizing their own car for miles. You know what really changed the whole dynamics of a lot of stuff was co cuz I didn't go on one trip during co Yeah. Neither did my staff. I you see what I'm
saying? Like that was a long time but we didn't even utilize the vehicles because we couldn't go no place and that lasted a while. So but as far as additional vehicles I I don't even think they'd be utilized. I I don't believe
uh I mean we are starting to go on the road to more conferences again but um we take a vehicle when we could and many times you know say somebody's got to go down to Fort Meyers or something
and we could pay them we pay the mileage and you know pdeium to go do well and I'm going to tell you as an employee that was on the road as a road warrior for many years I liked getting that mileage it always equated to more money in my pocket. Absolutely. Absolutely.
So, I'm just asking that trying to get a feeling of who's using what vehicle because we've asked we've had parks and wreck ask us um you know last year they were looking at golf carts and they pushed those back and then we've had a
couple one this year a vehicle request. So I was like, do we need, you know, if it's not 50% of your job, you know, building department, they need it. Public works, they need it, of course. Could I let Cheryl comment on? Yeah, Cheryl,
since you pays all the mileage. Yeah, there you go. Hey, just wanted to let you know. Okay, so we do if a employee goes on a trip and they take their own vehicle, we do reimburse them what the federal cost is. But if we push that out to say if you're
going to start using your vehicles, we are going to have to look at because it is a liability. They're on a a city business, we're going to have to look at paying for their car insurance and anything else, you know, while they're in that vehicle on city business. So then again, it's not just 78 cents a
mile. Now we're talking about covering their insurance for them being on that vehicle. And if their insurance company will let them drive that vehicle for business, then it becomes a business vehicle. Okay. So then that leads me to the place where
how many trips do we have out of our city as city employees? We have a lot of training that the the employees go to which benefits the city quite a bit. So, you know, going in the training, if they can take a city vehicle, if it's available without
taking, especially our building department, if they take a vehicle vehicle away from one of the code enforcement or one of the building department, then they're down at that time. So, they will take their own vehicle and we just reimburse them for mileage. Yeah. My question is because and I
understand what you're saying and and that's good. But literally we all work here in this city. So I'm trying to imagine how much travel could justify buying cars for employees to go out of town when they work here. You see what I'm saying? They
work here locally to to us. So that's I mean training. How many times a year does if I was a staff member, how many times a year would I go out of town to train? Well, people with certifications most of the time maybe once a year.
Okay. So, once once a year if they've got certifications, um what if uh any others that would require more than that? I'm just trying to understand it. Well, besides certifications and conferences that they
are required to to attend like John says, you know, for their certifications, for their licenses, we do provide, you know, we pay for their conferences, we pay for their meal, you know, their predium just like we did when we were talking about with the city manager candidates coming in. That's how
we do everything the exact same way. They have to follow the GSA rates on that. But then again, some of them will take their own car knowing at the risk that they're only going to get their mileage on that. Okay. What if we rented a car for them as the city? Then again, we have to be able to
provide the insurance for them on that car. Exactly. Our city insurance for our vehicles would probably not cover a rental car for that. We'd have to get a separate We'd have to get a separate writer for that. And we might. And that might be cheaper than buying a bunch of cars. I don't
know. I'm trying to I'm trying to understand how a couple of trips a year starts justifying having to buy all these vehicles. That's just what I'm trying to understand. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
That non-EP departmental transfer to storm water for a million dollars or a half a million dollars. What is that for? And I miss this is um transferring out of the general fund.
Um Joey's looking in the workbook for you. Yeah, I was trying to actually Oh, is it the impact fees? Um the non-EP departmental transfer to the storm water fund. Yes. For 1.1 million.
Yes. Yes, that is broken down because those are the ARPA funds that we transfer from the general fund to the stormwater fund and um because those CIPs are partially uh if not fully funded by ARPA funds. So, we transfer it from the general fund to the stormwater
fund to help fund those projects. Thank you. And that was the 1,115,728. Is that correct? on page 47. No, wait. That was the total impact fees. I'm sorry.
That Okay, I see it. Thank you. 1 point 1.1 million. 1.1 million. The 1.1 the extra I was two lines down, but I'm almost blind after putting this spreadsheet together. That extra 15 That extra 15,000 you were talking about is um we transfer money
from the general fund to the um the 602 fund. Mayor for that long pos. You're good, Joey. Cocoa Beach High School. We might need to take a break. How about we do that and recharge and try to wrap this up and and and get that
meeting. I think kind of dove in here and uh yeah, let's take five at least. Uh 8:24. Let's try to get back by 8:30 on that clock. I guess uh I got the 8:22. So yeah, Mr. Mayor, can I say one thing before we
break? I sat my PC over here because I was showing him that that's exactly what I had done is I broke it out by department and fund so that I could see what was going on. So when you were saying that, I was trying to show you that I've got
that. I did that as part of what I was doing. It's a great way to look at it. Yeah. I would like to have what you I'll be happy to share that and get it to Esther as well for public record when I get it completely
going to go ahead and uh call the meeting back to order here. We're 8:36 p.m. And as we're kind of getting settled back in, I think we should pause and try and schedule that meeting, the
workshop meeting that Mayor Pertim and we've all discussed here. Uh, first get that out of the way and we can between now and that date work with our city staff. I think a a big point that our interim city manager John pointed
out is from July 31st through August 12th, if I have it, you will not be here. Yes. Yes, sir. I just obviously I didn't just schedule that. That was scheduled a year about a year ago. No, understood. I knew I was going to be the city manager. So, uh that's been those trips
get scheduled long ago, but yes, I'll be out I'll be out of town. I'll be out of country. Okay. No, I I understand. I just going back to my homeland. Yes. Our city attorney's jealous. You see that look?
Attorney goes there. Beautiful. Happy. I mean, of course, I want to be here. So, if this could be scheduled for like August 14th or 15th, whatever that date is for the next workshop, I definitely want to be here.
Okay. So, what do you think those dates? One more time. The 14th. August 14th. Yeah, we well in ter in mayor in terms of having to meet the deadline for August 4th, we have to come together on
a millillage and then they're talking about the workshop the next workshop which would be anytime between August 14th and August 20th would be good. Maybe I misunderstood. No, no, you're right. You're right. The workshop is for purpose.
The workshop is my understanding is for purposes of the council coming to some understanding and agreement on the contents of the resolution. Isn't that what the council was right? Yeah. Talking to talking about. So you have to
look at the deadline for the approval of the resolution and um distribution to the tax collector's office. And that's the fourth and there's no le No, that's that's firm because the the tax collector has to get all this stuff
in and then process it and get it out in from every city. No, that's there's no there's no uh leeway there. Can't we do the workshop next week? Oh, you won't be here next week. Oh, okay.
Mhm. the if if we chose a number and we had to increase. I know that's not Is there a process to do that? Can it? I believe there is. And I think I mean the process would be to uh
revertise, send trims back out, right at the city's expense. Okay. Okay. I believe that's the the consequence. Mr. Mayor. Yes, council mayor. Wouldn't it be best to just not worry about image and just
do the proposed rate? We will be looking at going down in any fashion we can. I mean, the 22% increase that you referenced was against approved millages. This is just a proposed
millillage. We know we know we're going to be trimming. We're going to do whatever we can. I don't want to pay property taxes anymore than anybody else. In fact, I've been paying property taxes longer than you've been alive. But you know that
nobody wants it. But for the sake of trying to gather all the information that has been put out here tonight and where we need to go and what we need to study, what John and his team are going to be providing us, I think I think we
need to make a very as informed a decision as possible because I certainly don't want to put the city in a position that a lot of HOAs and condo associations are in by trying to not uh regulate their
fees, their homeowners dues, and then end up the next year just having to assess everybody out uh incredible amounts. So, we all know that this is a ceiling. We're not going above this.
We're only going to go below. And I think if we're unless we're just worried about image and perception, um I would be fine with going with the proposed rate as a tentative understanding that we're going to do
everything we can to lower it. It I I would say that with the Yeah. proposed run. Um if It it's not image or or perception. It's the reality of my convictions and
principles. Um I agree with the governor 100%. I don't think that it is a one-sizefits-all, but for Cape Canaveral,
how we've got ourselves in a circumstance that we we it will take time to get out, but we we have opportunities for revenue that a lot of other cities do not have, i.e. the port.
Um, and it's my deepest principle is that I did not come in here to grow government and to to buy more land.
The I mean, right out of the bat, we bought a million dollar property that Dr. Roberts spoke about tonight. And uh, we we we've spent a lot of money. This city hall's not that old, you know. It's six, seven years old and now we're
replacing a $350,000 air conditioner. Uh the maintenance of the the splash pad and it it's it's haste makes waste. And I think we're feeling it today. And and why are we going to penalize the taxpayers for
that? So I hear you loud and clear. It's not image. It's who I am. And I think it's who the Cape Canaveral residents are. They tasked us. They elected us to come in, keep their city safe,
and be stewards of the money. So, uh, I would reject this entire first budget as as just a starting point and respectfully, it it it's not anything personal. It's just it's a big miss
uh from anything that that I've tried to communicate and I think we've represented in our votes last year. Um and so I I don't think I confused anyone, you know, it's and it's not a bait and switch. It's always who I've been every
year. I've supported one budget and that was last year out of seven and that was the one that we actually decreased. And we've come a long ways from talking about things like millage and we're below four. None of that matters at the end of the year. It's how many dollars
you're going to have to pay. And it's I'm happy to hear we're going to do everything we can to decrease. And I think the majority of this council can move in
in the direction as as they want. Uh, I I would be more comfortable having, as our city attorney was, I think he interpreted it accurately before sending a trim out, uh, giving our best and I don't think we gave ourselves enough time with the
1-hour workshop. That's that's why we're suffering today is that we we we sort of set ourselves up for failure. We got a a budget 22% 1.8 million. Uh we've got a lot of assets in the city that we're
having to manage. We're having a hard time managing them and we are increasing employee size. We're increasing property size. We're increasing assets and the cost and the unexpected come and
where I would go to get more comfortable is the current status we're in today. looking back at some of those in investments that we've made and and and trying to figure out where we can cut especially in the remaining two months if there's anything that we can do uh
because a lot of these numbers are copy and paste because we haven't spent them and that was a confusing point I think we've talked about in the past but um yeah the if
this budget was presented to us on July 1 and and that's uh the first time we we really saw it. And so uh my immediate reaction was I this I I would have
expected a budget lower. We knew the fire truck was coming. Um, and I know things happen unexpectedly, but we've had more unexpected revenue gains than we've had unexpected damages
and loss. We've had windfalls of cash dropped into city hall and we're here today. And I'm and it I've never went in and examined the actual expenses the dayto day. Uh, but I don't know
where the money's going, but there's I think hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars that gets adopted every year that we we really don't need and if this council wants for the sake of
uh, you know, moving forward, and I respect that, to pass a a millage rate that's over roll back rate, um, it. I will I will support what the majority of this council wants to do,
but I hope it comes with the tenacity to lower taxes because these are the straw men that we create. we come in and we talk about this high number and then you you know we we're now cutting and
I I think the operating budgets the expansions have been great for three years and there has been some project management with the construction of this city hall and the project management of the C5 that we're paying
for today and uh I'm hearing a lot of the old things that we were talking about in my head today. Oh, it's not going to be that bad. Oh, we're going to be fine. And uh now it's
now it's our problem. So, I hope that we can be forwardlooking and I'm I'm open to the 17.5% GOFA recommendation for reserves. There's no reason to have a bunch of cash laying around. I'm open to approaching the
port. I've never said this on the record, but it needs to be said. 6 million passengers go through Port Canaveral every single year. $1 per passenger is $6 million to our city. I don't understand the services uh that we
share fully. Maybe getting a better understanding of that. We love the port for the the the chartered port, a fishing community. It has evolved into a big enterprise and it is growing and the
existing terminals are it's bigger boats and more terminals. And so I will go to bat and this whole council to go out and find revenue. We've talked about parking meters. Uh we without uh imposing that
on our residents and and and I think uh those things take time, but and and obviously we have the state of Florida there and and and we've got our friends at the county, the state, and we have very good relationships at every level
of government. And so we can figure out the revenue side for especially for our police fire infrastructure and those critical things. But um I wouldn't feel good about it but for the sake of a new city manager coming in and the unity of
this council I I will support what this council proposes. Uh so roll back rate I know it takes guts to do that. Uh, but that's where I would go. However, if we're not
comfortable, let's get this moving forward and do what we think is best. Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. Do we have an opportunity to meet again before I know Mickey is going to be out of town? I'm flexible. I mean, I
I'm not going out of town till August 1st, but um I was informed a little while ago, but um I'm willing to come back and meet and let's come back with some alterations if we can find them and
then come up with a millage. Yeah, that's what we were saying. And then I think that the the crunch is uh August 4th. Yeah, I know that. I know that. But I mean, between now and August 1st,
if we can, I know Mickey is going to be out of town. So, we have to come up with something. And I mean, even a workshop where we're not even taking action. We're just giving some supporting our city staff
and giving them the direction and they're helping us. Uh even if all of us couldn't be here knowing uh I I'd be willing to do that. Um today's the 15th. We've got two weeks. Mickey's going to
if she was able to do anything uh it'd have to be remote in that period. But you come back when? The 30 30th 31st. Well, if we were to have workshops and work on getting the millillage
to an acceptable level, we all have to come back with cutting something. I just I just think if we could agree on a number right now that gives us a bre, you know, the fourth to get the numbers
in, the fourth to get the new city manager here. Mhm. more time to get the information that we've asked for and you guys have provided all together. Um so we can I mean we're rushing this decision
and and like the mayor said, we set ourselves up for failure here and I I agree with that. We're we're trying to do something but we're also trying to agree, right? Um, I think I think if we went to
the middle of the road, I could support that, but we're going to have to find a lot of stuff to cut. Well, I mean, I'm want to do the remote meeting went on for months. And so this being my
second time around, I'm like, whoa, I don't want to do it that way. Well, I mean, but then we've got to agree on where we're going to be, when we're going to meet to make that choice. We've got to we've got to work on getting to that choice and then we've got to meet to make that
choice. And I agree with that. I'm just not agree. I'm saying I don't feel comfortable tonight making that decision. That that's that's valid. That's Perfectly good. Um,
but let's agree on a time to do a workshop. Let's get there. It has to be before. Well, we've got to meet and decide on a resolution for a millage rate before the 4th. So, that's going to be an official
meeting of council. So, you would be back possibly on the 31st to meet, right? I would say the first Okay.
And we have a backup meeting of for the city uh the new city uh manager. So, we could backto back some meetings there and get it all done or break it up. or break it up. Y just have a task to focus on one area of
the budget. You know, maybe we just focus uh and and that that way we would have everyone in attendance and be able to attack it before the fourth. Could Could we possibly have a workshop during
business hours? I would I'm good with that. I I I can make that work and I think that's better for our city staff as well, especially when we're talking about numbers. I would imagine much better in the morning than at this time of day. So,
well, I've got more coffee in the morning, so I'm ready. That's a good suggestion. Absolutely. U 8 to 5. I mean, I will come in and and do whatever is needed. Which which day do you leave?
The 19th. We have How how what what is the advanced notice for a workshop? What's the time period for that? 48 hours. 48. 48 hours, I think. 72.
Okay. Could we Could we possibly Well, Mickey leaves the 19th, so yeah, I think the mayor per Tim from the 19th through the 31st is the elephant in the room. it
it I mean there's going to be that's a we got three days basically um she and she's already going to break and do a virtual on 29th on the 29th I think if we were going to
do anything staff needs a little bit of time to to process so you know trying to do something meeting the minimum notice requirements this week and I mean Friday uh the 18th I I don't know if I that
actually might be an issue with me. Yeah, that's too soon and I don't think we have enough time. Um, but on that day or the 22nd earlier in that day,
I won't be available till the afternoon on the 22nd, probably around two two o'clock. Okay. And we said the 29th. Could Could we not have an extended? The
29th is for the contract. Could we meet even earlier on the 29th? That's what I didn't mean to even say the 22nd. That was what I was thinking. I'm sorry. Okay. Um, yeah. I mean, same circumstance, but if
you were going to be virtually that day on the agreement, on the 29th, I could be virtually. I I can make that work. I think that's the best we have. I think John and his team are going to
get us stuff tomorrow or the next day. Um Kay's going to share her spreadsheet with us soon, I hope. And uh I think if we can uh look at what we think can be cut in the
interim, if anything or whatever, we've got to have a plan and we've got to agree on a uh what can be cut and we can each make our case. Yeah, I think the individual
opportunities and and staff might only be able to move as fast as they understand a few things and uh dependent on what we want to do. They've presented what to get everything that uh is
proposed done. So yeah, we could go into that meeting on the 29th I think in a much better pos. not picking up where we are today. We're going to be in a different position if we're able to meet. I know
you'll be traveling, but um not really wanting to work on a budget. Well, that be an official meeting then of 29 because the we have to do this in a official meeting. We can't do it in a workshop. We the resolution has to be
passed right in a public hearing, an actual public hearing. Yeah. I mean, I would leave that opp that opportunity open so that you'd have to do a special meet. Have to advertise a special meeting, right? Going to have to advertise a special meeting for the uh city manager contract
as well. So, so what if what if we had the workshop earlier in the day? We have the special meeting for the contract and the millage resolution. Yeah, that would work. That's so the special the special meeting would
now consist of two agenda items. Yeah. Rather than one and that's better than you I think meeting two different days. You can at least Yes. I would rather get it done put a red X on that evening for you.
Okay. So, we're talking about a special meeting with a public hearing and and an item for action to on the agreement and four do we say 2 p.m. for two. Well, if we're if we're talking
about a workshop to discuss where we might go for a millage rate that we can agree on, everybody present their case, then we have the meeting for the contract and the resolution on the millage rate.
I was just trying to simplify so you don't have to have it do a workshop and then a special. Could we just do one meeting with two items and call it a discussion item and you know we're going to discuss the budget but would we would still need to vote on the military though?
Yes. Okay. So just make it a a 2:00 to whenever meeting. Yes. And have a maybe three items. One is uh discussion
and two is the public hearing after that discussion and three would be the contract and if Mr. Touchberry was available that
day that would be even better. Um, so why don't we go for that? Oh, yeah. Yep. I I see. But we still have to vote on the millage resolution.
Okay. In order to beat the August 1st. Is there any issue with public hearings being so too early in the day that we need to It's not I think that's the issue with
what I was proposing. Okay. Is that Yeah, we would have to have probably 5:00 p.m. So, yeah. you know, I I don't um think there's a time restriction on this
particular resolution. Okay? Because there isn't an advertisement requirement for this particular resolution when you get to the tentative millillage and the adopted mill. There are there are limitations and restrictions
on time, but I don't believe on this resolution there is one. Okay. I think whether it's one meeting or two meetings that day from 2:00 pm to we're going to probably spend two to
three hours no matter what. And so I was just thinking if we did one meeting you would say at 2:00 p.m. that we'll have a public hearing on it but the public would know. We used to put time slots on the items. I think the first item could just be you know if a workshop works in the same meeting. That's how we used to
do it. Dr. Roberts could confirm is 5:00 p.m. workshops and then 6 p.m. meetings. And so if that works, I think we're available from 2:00 p.m. uh through the evening with those three items. We want to have
the ability to discuss it uh and then take the vote on the resolution and then the contract. And I think if we said discussion, it was going to be two to three hours. someone could see the agenda and see. We're not going to get to that probably till till later. So, if
that works, I think that's the best path. Okay. Well, let's do a motion to uh to schedule that that date and time. I make a motion to schedule a meeting
for July 29th from 2 until for designated items with the budget and contract of city manager. I'll second. Okay, got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member
Davis. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk Council member Davis or Council Member, sorry, Council Member Jackson, four, Mayor Prom Kellum, four,
Mayor Morrison, four, and Council Member Wallace, four. Okay, motion passes 50 to schedule the meeting. Mayor, could I have one clarification? Yes. Um, I just want to let you know
when you were talking about the GFOA. Yes. Uh, it's actually 16.7. And and I just want to know if if that's okay with you because as we start doing our numbers and whatever, I need to know that you're not looking
for 20% or 17.7. You're looking for what the GFOA is, and that's 16.7. Yes. That's the reserve. That's the reserve. And if it helps us to consider that and add that on the agenda and we can go in with that intent and and set a budget
knowing I don't know if that have to that's not a chartered thing. That's just in our that would require two readings though. But we could Yes. I I think uh we're early. We're going to have more budget hearings. Whatever that recommendation is uh I
think that's what we should consider and calculate. At least that gives us a target at least. Yeah. Okay. And I guess we're not considering Esther, we're not considering
uh this particular thing, this agenda item that we're looking at now because they rescheduled meetings, right? I just wanted to point out that on this agenda cover, uh it says September 2nd. That was a typo. It's September 3rd because
by state statute, you have to hold your first. you can't hold your budget hearing until September between September 3rd and September 18th and I was talking to state about that. So, um that still is not a conflict with the county. So, that date when you see it
the next time it'll say September 3rd and on Esther's schedule that's attached when you look at the first budget hearing. Um, I don't know if that could just be done by consensus now on your schedule to change
that to 93 instead of 92. That's all I got. Page 17 of the budget adoption schedule. Yeah. Uh, the uh attachment to that of the um city council meeting schedule. Oh, okay. That's if you go down to the first budget
hearing, that should say 93, not 92. Oh, we're approving the entire schedule. There you go. That's okay. Well, actually, yeah, actually that's just stating that according to the schedule
that this particular agenda item had to be passed, uh, it actually has to be done. The soonest it could be done September 3rd by the state. It can't be done September 2nd. Okay. So, that that schedule just needs to read 93. However, that gets updated.
I'll leave that with the city clerk. How that gets updated. Could we do it at Could you just do a change here with a consensus from the Okay, we could do a consensus with the council now. Yeah. To 9:30 now. Okay. Council. Uh,
all in favor of changing the September 2nd, 2025 special council meeting and and public hearing as listed to one day later 93. Yes. Any opposed?
Seeing none, I think we have consens. Okay. Well, we've got it scheduled. I think we had some good talks today and I I appreciate everyone's input and patience and and hearing out some of the perspectives as well uh that I had to share. Um
I hope you postpone this. We will be taking action at that time. Um if there's not anything else on this, I think we can we can move on. Um, we are going to schedule the 819 budget workshop if needed. That's going
to be Okay. So, we are on attachment two. The schedule that's provided here. Um, yep, that's the right one. Thank you. The August 19th, 2025 6 p.m. workshop if
needed is underlined. We're saying we do need that. Yes. I I think that's a good idea. Council, are we okay? Yes. Yeah. Well, I I think we will be. And we could if we're if we do not need
it, we no one comes to we don't need to come to the meeting, right? And we obviously notify and say we don't feel like we need to be there tonight. So, uh and try to catch it before notice, but yes. Okay. So, on this schedule, we've changed 92 to 93.
We've clarified that the B budget workshop on August 19th is needed. Are there any other changes? Uh just a question. Since we had a resolution scheduled here, do we need to do a post anything
a postponement? Do we do no postponement? Okay. No advertisement. Okay. There's no advertisement. Yeah, I understand that. I'm talking about I'm talking about the resolution. The resolution for the uh this. Yeah. The resolution itself for the the
millillage. He's saying that there's no advertisement. No, but I was wondering if you're going to postpone that item to um Oh, that item is being postponed till the schedule that they just called on I just didn't know if you want a motion
on or just leave it as is. I see. So, we scheduled a meeting and I think you want a formal motion for the purpose of postponing this resolution in front of us. I would like to make a motion to
postpone the resolution tonight to the meeting on the 29th. I'll second. I got a motion by council member Jackson, a second by council member Willis or city attorney. might it
I mean the the prior motion was to place this matter onto a special agenda special meeting agenda. So that was the action. Okay. Right. Which obviously postpones the resolution. It's being put on a special
meeting agenda. So I don't think the second motion is necessary. All right. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Nice. Um, you want to withdraw that motion? You need to withdraw it. I would like to withdraw my motion. Thank you.
Any further action needed, Mr. City Attorney, on that? Oh, we'll see uh we'll see everybody on the 29th. Okay. I have a report. That's right. Any other items on this uh the schedule
and or the resolution? Okay, seeing none, we can go ahead and move on to uh the we have no items for discussion. Item nine and uh item 10 for reports. Uh Council Member Jackson.
Yes, y'all are I'm going to go through this as quickly as I can because y'all are like, "Oh boy, here she comes." There's copies for you guys and copies for you. Okay,
the details on this, the beach access between Royal Mansions and Canaveral Sands had a pin showing that memorial walkway that uh was the location of those memorial stones on that beach boardwalk.
And I discussed in prior council meetings the fact that it had more or less almost become a cemetery. Um, and we have no public parking there and I believe Molly took the initiative to change that which is good. However, step
things have happened since. So, um, since then Google Maps, it's been changed on Google Maps and it requires you when you change a pin on Google Maps to log in and claim that space. So, I
think this space is claimed by the city. Okay. But if you look, there are three circles on the the map that I'm showing you. Those are the only three beach accesses that they're showing.
So, one is um that north, it says North Ridgewood Beach access. That's that memorial and that's the first one you come to when you look at Google Maps. And then the other one is down on Float
Beach uh south of Chandler Park and all of that. So what is happening now is um because that boardwalk access has the pin for access to the beach and Cape
Canaveral. When you go to Google's maps, that's where everyone's going and there's no parking there. Um, I believe this is creating a flow of people to that beach access, um, which was traditionally zone access for the
R1Zoned neighborhoods up in that that neighborhood. And now we've got short-term rental golf carts parking there. You'll see on the second page, the next page, um, the golf carts parked around there. That was four of them on
one day and they're literally like 10 of them at one time. And then you'll even see that we have a truck parked there literally over the curb through a storm swell parked down there to go to the
beach. So, it I understand from a recent event that with the golf carts that Royal Mansions owns a portion of that property in the area. However, with that Google Maps pin pointing people there, um I'm afraid I'm I'm really worried
about public safety because on a moonless night, it is completely black down that public boardwalk and I'm worried about somebody big getting hit or anything like that. So, um, it's very low light due to the
turtle lighting, and I'm worried about the the public safety hazard. Now, if you look at the next one, it shows the guy's truck again, and he's literally come down an area that doesn't have a road. It's a sidewalk and a storm
swell. Um, so what I wanted to request, um, with the interim city manager, because I know you have some staff that are highly techsavvy, is that we get that pin off that access point because there's not even a place to park.
And also, I think we as council need to talk about having a special meeting when we have an opportunity. I know budget and city new city manager is more important. Um, but I think we need to
look at where do we have accesses for the beach on Google Maps located and where we want people to be. Okay. Um, do we want it on the end of each presidential street? Do we want it in
Harbor Heights, which it shows you the peacock beach on Harbor Heights on the Google maps? accesses to be. To me, it makes a lot of sense for our hotels up on the north end of town that are accommodating the
cruise industry have their people go to Jetty Park. They have restrooms. We don't have restrooms to accommodate this in our city. So, we've got some problems here. So, we've got, you'll see on the next one where there's some rental chairs.
They're literally putting up with a QR code. Um, and we're providing these people. They were telling them to go to the beach on a spot that doesn't even have parking. So, we've had quite interesting times there. Um, but we have
no restroom facilities for our guests that are being dropped off. Um, I've seen people relieving themselves in the dunes. This is not what you want to see. Um, there's increased rentals of equipment in all areas from beach vendors. Some have BTRs, but they don't
have franchise fees. And here we told A1A that they could drop off paddle boards at the end of Washington only, but meanwhile, these people are setting all up wherever anyone asks. So, I think we need to look at those things as well.
Um, and so there's one I know um that is he he told me, "Oh, this is my beach." And he said, "I go to Royal Mansions, Discovery Beach Resort, and Cape Winds." And he's using those condo complexes
advertising on his website. So, um, I think we've got a little bit of a wild card out there with some of these things. Um, with the three motor coaches at Jerry Down, I'd like to know if we had a an event permit because that's
bringing in 120 people to an already full um county park that the parking lot was absolutely full on. And to me, 120 people on three different motor coaches and those buses were full. To me, that
equals an event and we should have a permit for that. Were they parked in the park? No, they were parked on Ridgewood. Well, you can't park there. They did. But I mean, don't I I went by I drove by, went to dinner
and they and was told they were there earlier in the day. When I went to dinner, they were still there. When I returned, they were still there. And so we need that wide part of Ridgewood. Well, just past Washington
justifying it, but where Surf Drive is in just where where I mean literally from Washington Street. Mhm. Face the buses were facing north on the east side of the road and there were three motor coaches that cut off. They
stopped right before the entrance of Sherry Down. So, I think that part of it and maybe this is I don't know um interim city manager maybe you can tell me maybe this is
something that um Taz Tamson might want to address with community development. Yeah. This whole thing that you're describing. Yeah. Tamson and Gerald and you know they've worked some of these issues. I even went over there with Tim to view exactly where this truck was and
then where the how you know that they're on the access thing. They can't they must have went down a gully to get in there. So anyway, uh based on that, yeah, I'd like to get with Tamson and Gerald, but what I'd also like to do, Council Member Jackson, is it's all
right for Tamson to call you and maybe have just a little round table because they're working some of these issues already. I would love to and I think that it I personally believe it'll be a great idea, okay, for Tamson to even reach out to the
hotels that are up there and ask where do you send people to the beach when when guests ask you and then us work as far as community development on where we need those people to be because we don't have the facilities for this and I'm
telling you right now with what I've heard about the budget today we're not building restrooms up and down Upper Beach access right now I'm guessing. So we have to be we have to think about the fact our traffic to the beaches are it's
increasing and with that we need to be strategic in managing that traffic as well as you know everything going on on A1A or anywhere else. Okay. So, I'll discuss it with them and they're very aware of these situations
and then at the prime time we will engage with you. I'll have them engage with you to let you know what they're actually pursuing. Please reach out and I'm happy to help. And I actually put this together so we
could enter it into public record so that you guys would have it um and that kind of thing. So, I gave an extra copy for um our city clerk. Got it. And that's all I had.
Thank you. Yeah. And when I just use Google Maps and maybe they're all different because you have different layers. I do see some of the, you know, the beach accesses. Uh and I don't know if that's our city
inputting those in there, but is it pinned though is what I'm talking about. cuz they got P for parking. So, so Taylor Pulk and see I did it from a piece. If you zoom out, they go away though. Well, and that's the thing. If you look
at the whole area, the pin is showing at that north beach and it's a different color pen if you notice. It's green. Now, I want to tell you this same thing happened to Tulip on in Cocoa Beach.
To who? Tulip Avenue in Cocoa Beach, which is right by International Palms. Someone that didn't want them, the tourists heading into downtown Cocoa Beach were pretty sick of the noise of parking and trash, put a pin on Tulip
Avenue, which has no restroom and all this. And I mean, they were literally having a really big problem with the people that the condos in that area were having problems. But regardless, that one needs to be removed cuz there's no parking
or state no parking. But you're right, North Ridgewood Beach Access doesn't show the same symbol as parking, but it doesn't say it. And yeah, 50 people have, you know, reviewed it and liked it. Uh, so
do we know who created that pen? Was it or could our city if we did not create it, could we create one to Yes. And that's what I it's it's part of the technology world we live in is is why I brought this up. We need to define
what how we want people moving through our areas because how many people we have coming through cruises? 6 million. And they think that's a place to go and it doesn't have a restroom. doesn't have a place to park. And then we've got
motor coaches coming in dumping people, too. So, we've got to start looking at our world's changed. Otherwise, put it out to the voters and ask them if they want to become a commercial beach area because our city charter with
saying we're a residential community with no commercial on the beach is going away. So, we have to be proactive if we don't want it that to change. And I'm seeing it a lot in that area. But when I saw
the motor coaches, I was like, "Oh, no. We got to we've got to address this. Just wait till Harbor Heights becomes a gated community." That's what I'm I'm teasing, but it's, you know, it's always talked about and it's not a lot
of spots back there, but that's probably the most disruptive. But no, but we have a that's an issue. a sign that says beach is full and they put it up at the beach. Well, and we have gates and they just hop over them. So, I went the other
weekend, other day over the weekend and they had literally somebody had taken a Sharpie and made a bl a black circle around the buttons you push for the code on both sides so you could just punch and go in. So, nothing surprises me
anymore, but that's all I had. I'm sorry taking it too much time. I have one thing to say. I think when we brought this up before about the golf well and I think that I think that this shows with the rental chairs that you
saw saw in those pictures. People are wanting that. Our visitors are wanting that. So maybe we shouldn't cut that off. But what we need to do is make sure that the franchise fee is paid for and that we've defined where they want to go. Just like
we need to check with hotels and say, in my opinion, check with hotels and say, "Where are you sending your guests?" Well, you know what? If it's a 200 room hotel up here and people are asking all the time, you know what? shuttle them to Jetty Park because they have restrooms
and facilities we don't have that are controlled by the port and we don't control Sherry down and once it's full it's full and people are parking on the streets you know so um or at least your buses are so I just think
it's something that in the near future after we go through the pain of the budget and all of this that it's something that we need to um make decisions as far as council as to how we want people moving through our city
or yeah get some sort of control of it. Dr. Roberts, if you want to come up as you're take your time and that's okay. I think as she's coming up you know the the bus tours are peacocks back in Harbor Heights is a you've seen the big
buses coming driving through the figure eight to come see the peacock. Yes. This is an example just these very kind of questions that you all are raising now and I would hope with those 11 additional hotels that
there was some analysis that was asked for and this would have been part of their proposal. So I'm just expressing my sense of frustration. And the other concern I have when you all start putting them towards Shannet Park, if we don't talk to the condos, we don't have private beaches here, but those condos
up in the north part of the city would be impacted dramatically because already we're getting the Jetty Park visitors coming down from north to south. And I just hope that when we do our canvasing of residential input that we
ask the condos for their input on this. What worries me sometimes is we don't consider parts of the city when we make some decisions. So I would ask that you all consider asking those condos in the communities including Harbor Heights what we think of that cuz
there's no doubt if we increase that 11 hotels worth of traffic all the way from Jetty Park they will understandably have to come south cuz they have nowhere else to go. And then this is where it does impact the quality of life for which as you all have noted our residents are
paying a lot of money to own and live where we are. So that quality of life in my opinion deserves to be preserved and protected and that's one of the reasons we also turn to council to protect us. Thank you.
Those are excellent points. Well, since we have no retail business that we make sales taxes off for these people in our city pretty much. Shuttle them to Cocoa Beach. Send them to Cocoa Beach. They got a parket garage and restrooms.
I think the issue on the the franchise maybe at the next we should make sure get that on the agenda and and at least begin the conversation because I do remember that and I know there are small vendors out there that want to do a good job.
And then then there's surfing clubs, there's yogs that they picked. But I think that you really should check because just like Dr. Robert says, I'm getting all kinds of complaints cuz they're going down there and setting
up and three buildings down with these big awning tents and chairs. I saw and people are like, "We didn't ask for this. When did this come in?" Blah blah blah. So where it is, I think becomes strategic where that's allowed.
Okay, that's not I'm really thor now. Refer to him anymore on sir sports council member Jack or Davis sorry I was going to say I was in the meeting last night with the cos whatever city you know and uh I'm proud of Don for
getting his award last night so it was very good for the city too. Council member Willis, I attended the uh Space Coast TPO uh governing board meeting last week and we went over the uh transportation
um improvement program and the five-year plan. And in the five-year plan, the redoing of A1A was not present. It has been pushed out to due to budget cuts with FDOT. They've
had so many they're they're still doing right-of-way purchase and some some minor construction, but the major part of the the redo has been pushed out. So, um that's that's beyond anybody's control
if if DOT is cutting the budgets and moving it back. Thank you for that. and uh attended the Space Coast uh League of Cities meeting last night and uh it was uh very informative and enjoyed it and uh
appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. I do not have any reports other than my appreciation for all. So, thank you all for sticking through in the community for staying here with us and helping us in your wisdom and and knowledge. uh
it's always valued and I think we have to take those issues head on. So we've got the meeting scheduled. We've made progress. There's some wonderful things happening in this city. Got new city team members and employees fulfilling some vacancies. Very excited about that.
Uh and I'm confident we're going to find a way the right path forward. Uh so with that um unless our county sheriff's office any reports anything we need to know
we'll address issues that we Thank you. I did see a dog off of a leash just to and uh deputies responded very quickly and of course and it was a big dog off a leash running and this dog was very well
trained. Uh, but there was some people walking and I didn't know at the time how well trained that dog was, but he was running and I made a promise that if I ever saw that after learning about the woman I to
marry that I would call on big dog and he had he had already packed up by the time and he was heading out and but there it was about 3 minutes I mean which is very fast. they were there to respond, but it's the chase. They move
so fast, you know, it's really hard, but a big thanks to that. Um, uh, city attorney, anything, interim city manager? Nope. City clerk's office. Well,