We're ready to go. Ready. City manager ready. >> Good evening everyone. It is 6:17 p.m. We are at the Cape Canaveral City Council regular meeting. It is September 16th, 2025 at the City Hall Council Chambers located at 100 Pulk Avenue,
Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920 for our regular city council meeting. I call this meeting to order and before proceeding with the pledge, I want to we don't typically do this. I just want to pause for a moment and uh
take a moment of silence, 15 seconds uh with everything uh from the seven years on this council locally, the hurdles, the obstacles that we've went through, but all the things that are happening around our state and our country. So, if you would uh feel free to join me for a
moment of silence. Thank you. Thank you. With that, another thing like to do a little bit different for the pledge of allegiance. It'd be an honor if we have Chief Sergeant. No, from where you are is fine, Chief, to lead us in the pledge. So, if everyone could stand,
we'll have our chief lead us. Thank you. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you, Chief. >> Right. Council, thank you all for being here. City staff, our community, and obviously looks like to be very proud our entire fire department at large here and uh we will go ahead and move to uh
item number four which is to approve >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, >> call the role just to make sure that we have >> I skipped right over that. Sorry. >> Very important. >> Thank you. Yes. City clerk, please call the role. >> Council member Davis, >> Council Member Jackson
>> here. >> Mayor Prom Callum >> here. >> Mayor Morrison >> here. and council member Willis >> here. >> We do have a quorum. >> So we have four of our council members here and again thank you.
So council item number four to approve the agenda as written or with amendments. Uh tonight we've got five uh I'm sorry six either presentation to introduce uh interviews or introductions. uh
got two public hearings up front in regards to the tax and the millillage. Then we're going to go to public participation. We've implemented uh a new section called manager matters where our city manager will go over the four listed items for this meeting and our
consent agenda. Item nine is made up of seven items. Um, this is not the time to pull any consent agenda items. We're going to go to one item for action 10 and then go into two public hearings and two
discussion items. So, if we'd like to reorder anything in the agenda, uh, now is the time or discuss removing or adding items. >> I'll make a motion we approve the agenda as written.
>> I'll second. Got a motion by Mayor Patim Callum and a second by council member Willis to approve the agenda as written. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, >> council member Jackson >> four. >> Mayor Prollum >> Mayor Morrison >> four
>> and council member Willis >> four. The approve the agenda is approved as written. This time, uh, we've got our first presentation. Uh, this is a proclamation. I'm going to go down front
here and read for honoring, uh, David Dave, as we call him, Chief Sergeant, uh, for Canaveral Fire Rescue, Fire Chief, and the Port Maritime Academy president, and the chief and chief executive off officer
who's served this city uh, for decades. Uh so as I go down uh I'll read the proclamation. We will uh come forward. Council please come down and if you choose and we can take a photograph together and then uh
give chief sergeant opportunity to say any words if he chooses to do so. So with that I'll head forward and you guys thank you all for being here. When I'm finished if you want you can come forward at that time and uh thank you.
appropriate. Think about can't have you stand in the back of the room, sir. Thank you. This is an official proclamation of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas David Dave Sergeant began his
extraordinary 38-year profession in 1983. And whereas in 1987, Chief Sergeant served as an Air International Guard with the United States Air Force Department and Ohio's Air National Guard, Fire Department, and as a
firefighter with the city of Koko's Fire Department. And whereas Mr. Sergeant attained his degree in fire science from the Air Force Community College, received his state of Florida certification as a firefighter, paramedic, and arson investigator, and
achieved formal training from the National Fire Academy, University of Maryland, University of Cincinnati, Florida State Fire College, and numerous other institutions. And whereas over the 38-year period, Chief Sergeant rose
through the ranks at Canaveral Fire Rescue as a paramedic and arson investigator to Canaveral Fire Rescue Fire Chief and Port Maritime Academy, president, Chief, and Chief Executive Officer. And whereas David has served on
the Eastern Florida Fire Advisory Board, the United States Coast Guard Executive Steering Committee, the Port Canaveral Propeller Club Education Committee, the fire the Florida Fire Chiefs Association, the Coast Guard Executive Steering Committee, the Florida Fire
Chiefs Association, and he is the past president of the Space Coast Fire Chiefs Association and Bvard County Emergency Medical Services Advisory Board. And whereas Chief Sergeant has endured the challenges of nearly losing the 1962
Cape Canaveral Volunteer Fire Department and local fire and emergency services to where in 1997 he helped develop a notfor-profit state-of-the-art Port Canaveral Maritime Training Academy, one of its kind in the East Coast, serving
numerous professional mariners, armed forces, and firefighters. And whereas on September 29th, 2018, Chief Sergeant was honored with his induction into the Space Coast Public Service Hall of Fame. Later in that same year, presented with
the Coast Guard's Meridis Public Service Award, and on September 21st, 2021, recognized for his exemplary service to the city where fire station number 53 was dedicated in his honor. And whereas with Chief Sergeant's long distinguished
and industrious career, his dedication and commitment towards changing and saving numerous lives and his natural leadership skills and talent have left a legacy which will continue to uphold and advance the public safety professionals
to live up to the department's mission statement. And now therefore, I, Wes Morrison, Mayor of the City of Cape Canaveral, Bvard County, Florida, do hereby recognize and extend heartfelt gratitude to Dave Sergeant for his selfless service to the entire community
throughout the years and for his extraordinary influence to the public and the organization, which will last for a lifetime. And wish him well in the next chapter of his life. Signed and sealed this 16th day of September, 2025.
Thank you. Just a second here for the council to join us. start the clock. I just I'd like to say thank you to everyone here. Um it's been a very long career. Um it's been difficult at times,
but you've always supported fire rescue and it's made it a lot easier when when you have that support obviously. And it's not about me, it's about those people back there. Um you can't lead well if you don't have people behind you
and they have made it fantastic. I guarantee you I am leaving you in great hands. Uh Chris Quinn, Chief Quinn, and Chief Cwley will be taking over September 30th. Uh we've been training for two years on this.
They'll probably still call me. I may answer, I may not. I will. So anyway, again, thank you very much, Steve Sergeant. Thank you. Chief Sergeant is loved by this community, the council, our team here,
city staff, and he will be missed. but his legacy and and as the proclamation beautifully written said and thank you for all the support in drafting that um we have been very fortunate and I am optimistic about the new chapter with
Chief Quinn and Deputy Chief Crowley who've uh been excellent as they transition with this budget and plans and moving forward. So council thank you again. The next item here, thank you.
Is a presentation of proclamation declaring September 17th to the 23rd, 2025 as Constitution Week. Here, uh,
Miss Sandra Bennett with the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution. If you'd like, you can come down forward with me here. I'll read this proclamation and likewise happy to take a photograph. And if you'd like to say a
few words, this is an official proclamation of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas the Constitution of the United States of America, the guardian of our liberties, embodies the principles of limited government and a republic dedicated to
rule by law. And whereas September 17th, 2025 marks the 238th anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America by the Constitutional Convention. And whereas it is fitting
and proper to accord official recognition to this magnificent document and its memorable anniversary and to the patriotic celebrations which will commemorate the occasion. And whereas public law 915 guarantees the issuing of
a proclamation each year by the President of the United States of America designating September 17th through the 23rd as Constitution Week. Now therefore, I, West Morrison, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Cape Canaveral,
Florida, do hereby proclaim the week of September 17th through the 23rd, 2025 as Constitution Week and ask our citizens to reaffirm the ideals of the framers of the Constitution had in 1787 by
vigilantly protecting the freedoms guaranteed to us through this guardian of our liberties. remembering that lost rights may never be regained. Signed and sealed this 16th day of September, 2025. I would like to thank you, Mayor
Morrison. I have a gift for you. Right. Well, we thank you very much for our proclamation and um that's all I have to say. Thank you again. We appreciate it. >> That is wonderful. you know, we we when
we're elected and we've said it and we all did it, we when we raise our right hand, that's the first thing that we're raising it to, rightfully so. So, thank you. We will continue to do our best to pursue those liberties and protections
that are so important. Really appreciate you being here. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. That is great. So now we are on to our uh third proclamation here and this one
is declaring October 4th, 2025 as VFW post 10131 day. Like to uh ask our mayor pro Tim Kellum to kick us off here. >> Thank you mayor.
Chartered on October 4th, 1975, the Veterans of Foreign War Post 10131's primary charter has been to support military veterans. Consistently satisfying that purpose, VFW Post 10131
has been a consistent stable of the Cape Canaveral community, providing a location for special events, supporting local establishments with funds and services, and conducting military events throughout the community. The VFW Post
10131 and the auxiliary chapter of Cape Canaveral operates under the National VFW notfor-profit veterans organization comprised of eligible veterans and military servicemen from the active
guard and reserve forces. The roots of the VFW trace back to 1899 when veterans founded local organizations to secure rights and benefits for their service and which currently provide programs and services
that work to support veterans, service members and their families as well as the communities worldwide. It is my in it is my honor to introduce Joe Tippich, Mike Tucker, Quartermaster of Post
10131, and Denise Tucker, auxiliary secretary to receive the proclamation from the mayor. I will formally read the proclamation and I really appreciate that, Mayor Pro Tim Kellum. an official proclamation of the city of
Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas VFW Post 10131 was chartered on October 4th, 1975. And whereas on this 125th anniversary of service to our country, we congratulate the members of the VFW
Post 10131 and its auxiliary who have been active in veterans issues and the Cape Canaveral community since 1975. And whereas VFW Post 10131 and its auxiliary are active with various veterans causes, VFW National Home for
Children, Cape View Elementary Backpack Program, Cocoa Beach High School, Hines VA Hospital, Midwest Shelter for Homeless Veterans, Memorial and Veterans Day activities, Rifle Salutes, Honor Guards, and Poppy Day fundraising to
name just a few. And whereas VFW Post 10131 and its auxiliary are active within the city of Cape Canaveral, VFW Post 10131 has been serving veterans and the broader community since its founding in 1975. So by supporting and advocating
for veterans upon their return from the war, providing free me meeting spaces to nonprofit organizations, area cleanup and beautifification in the city, food bank donations, teacher of the year nominations, school and youth programs
like scout of the year, the pledge of allegiance, flag etiquette and patriot patriot pen voice of democracy essay contests. And whereas this year represents the 50th anniversary of the founding of Post 10131 VFW, and it is
fitting to recognize Post 10131 VFW for their many community accomplishments and contributions over the past 50 years. The city of Cape Canaveral applauds the outstanding service that our veterans have provided to our community and to the nation and the dedication and
commitment of all our men and women who serve and protect this country. each and every day. Now therefore, I, West Morrison, Mayor of the City of Cape Canaveral, Florida, do hereby proclaim October 4th, 2025 as VFW Post 10131 day
in the city of Cape Canaveral. Hereby recognizing the hard work and dedication of these professionals in service to our community signed and sealed the 16th day of September, 2025. Council, if you want to come forward with a photo with our
local VFW, please do. This is indeed an honor to uh be recognized. And uh one I would would like to recognize first of all uh 50 years ago 25 individuals are veterans got together and they decided
to have a start up a VFW. Every single one of those have now passed on but the VFW has certainly stayed on and will continue on maybe for another 50 years but we'll wait and see. We couldn't do this without the support of many of the individuals including the city here,
this and these guys here, the fire department, and more importantly the community itself. Thank you very much for supporting the VFW. And I would also tell you two more things. Number one, we've got a parade coming up for the city of Cape Canaveral. Last year we had
a parade and this year the VFW is going to be hosting it again. And lastly, I'm going to leave you with one thing. You haven't seen anything until you have the mayor come over and serve burgers at the BFW. That's all. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> We love our local VFW and appreciate you all very much to continue. Thank you. All right. The final proclamation that we have here for today is uh stormwater proclamation.
And I believe we have Laura here to receive it. I'm going to come forward and read the proclamation. Thank you. This is an official proclamation of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whereas the city of Cape Canaveral recognizes that protecting water quality is vital
to the health, safety, and welfare of our residents, visitors, and environment. And whereas storm water runoff, rainwater that flows over the streets, parking lots, lawns, and other services can carry pollutants such as litter, oils, fertilizers, pesticides,
and sediment into the city's storm drains, canals, and directly into the Banana River Lagoon. And whereas the Banana River Lagoon is a treasured natural resource and vital ecosystem that supports diverse wildlife, recreation, and tourism, all of which
contribute to the city's economy and quality of life. And whereas storm water management practices including green infrastructure, proper disposal of waste, reduced use of harmful chemicals, and community education are critical to preventing water pollution and
protecting our waterways. And whereas the city of Cape Canaveral is committed to public education, sustainable development practices, and environmental stewardship to reduce storm water impacts and ensure compliance with the National Pollutant Discharge Elimination
System, NPDES, permit requirements. And whereas individuals, businesses, schools, and organizations can take part in protecting water quality by preventing pollution at the source and adopting best management practices for storm
water. Now, therefore, I, Wes Morrison, mayor of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida, do hereby proclaim the week of September 22nd through the 26th, 2025 as storm water awareness week in the city of Cape Canaveral. And I call upon all residents, businesses, and community
organizations to join in efforts to protect our water resources, reserve our environment, and support a sustainable future for generations to come. Signed and sealed. The 16th day of September, 2025. Thank you, mayor, council members. Um,
I'd like to say thank you for this proclamation on behalf of myself as well as Timothy Carile, who couldn't make it today, but would have loved to be here. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Who's not talking about storm water in Florida?
>> I'm sure I'm sure Tim dreamed about it. So important. Thank you. All right. Now we are uh to the next item which got my sheet there.
We've got the applicant interview for the culture and leisure services board. Miss Mary Lant, please come forward. Thank you so much for being here. if you go there. Um, our city attorney will ask you just a few questions and Okay.
>> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Two really easy questions. First, all of the >> information in your application is true and correct to the best of your knowledge. >> Yep. >> Okay. Please explain to the council why you would like to serve on the culture and leisure services board. In some I
would like to learn more about the community in which I live and perhaps even find out ways where I can make valuable contributions. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Mary. Again, appreciate your willingness to serve on
this board. It is uh really refreshing to know the way we're structured to have I can't imagine making decisions without our advisory boards to help. So you stepping into that is directly impacting our our
decisions and it is very much appreciated. Council, we can go down the line. Council member Willis, uh any questions? >> No, no questions but read your resume, read your application. We're very happy to have you. Thank you very much for
stepping up and wish more people would. So, thank you very much. Good luck to you. >> Thank you, >> Council Member Jackson. >> Thank you. Hello, Mary Lou. Thank you so much for applying for this position on the board and I happen to know you've
done some volunteer type of work before and everything and I think it'd be beneficial for us to hear about that a little bit. Would you tell me a little bit about it? Well, um, starting back when I lived in North Palm Beach, I was on the, uh, golf course advisory
committee, and I'll never forget it. Uh, the poor pro would come to all the meetings and just, you know, in a cold sweat trying to get people not to wear steel cleats on the course and wear rubber. And I was sitting there at the meeting and I said, I propose, you know,
uh, make a motion to approve rubber cleats. Somebody second it. and we all voted it in unanimously. So, I'm I'm pretty good at pointing out the obvious um and not afraid to speak up when I see it. So, that was one instance. And then
when I lived in North Carolina, I was on the Meckllinburgg County IT Advisory Committee, another volunteer position, um just to get involved in my community and learn what was going on. So, um that
was good. And I've done some tutoring along the way. I got an award at one point, but I I wasn't prepared to like um reiterate what's in my package there. But I I think that's about all. I tried volunteering to be honest with you on my
homeowners um association. I was the treasurer and I think I took the job a little too seriously and uh didn't realize uh that you know it's like when you're in a homeowners association it's like working on an
Indian reservation you know you got your own set of rules and um you know I just uh that's why I came to the city because I know some members of the council and I have a lot of respect for Mr. Morrison and what you've done and so
I hope I can become one of the good guys. >> Thank you, Mary Lou. I just wanted to reiterate because you have done a lot to and you've offered a lot in the communities that you've been in. So, I just wanted to make sure we knew that.
So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Wonderful. Mayor Pro Tim Kellum. >> Yes. Hi, Mary Lou. Nice to meet you. Um it looks like you are way qualified and I like where you said in your um
application that you think outside the box. I like that and um our boards are very important um especially uh the culture and leisure board. So welcome and uh thank you for stepping up. >> Thank you for having me. >> That was the board you were serving on
prior to the council was okay. Yeah, >> it is important and boy since she mayor pro Tim Kellum served in that capacity the part those departments have uh really
evolved and so many new activities and some things we stopped doing but I agree with everything I've heard I think professionally've been an analyst so uh that's I think always helpful and we really appreciate your willingness and hope that if there's ever anything the
council can do as we're considering uh that you please continue to communicate and be a part of those conversations and we'll be watching your board meetings. I know we all pay attention and some attend many of them and uh thank you very much to support you.
>> Thank you. >> Okay, any other questions for Miss Mary Lou? will adop have an opportunity to adopt the formal resolution to hire but our code and charter requires this interview process and it was a pleasure. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Okay, that is excellent. I think I up here fumbling around. I lost my sheet, but that's okay. So, the last and most certainly not least, action uh 5.6 here in the beginning is new city staff introductions. I'll uh
turn it over to our city manager, Mr. Touchberry. Thank you, mayor. So, Atlantis Cooper is a part-time administrative assistant in our in community and economic development, and she unfortunately couldn't be here tonight. I did speak with her earlier. She does have a conflict, but she is a
part-time employee who's going to fill in at our front desk and help out another operations um in economic development and we're very pleased to have her. >> That is excellent. We're looking forward to it and I love that we're continuing to do this. So, thank you very much. Um
I'm sure in that position we will see her. Uh >> you will generally >> I'm sorry. Generally in the morning she's part-time. So, >> okay. Yep. Thank you again. All right. I think uh
we are now at the public hearing items. Now we got two sections of public hearings. I just want to clarify that's because are we required to do the these types of the budget and tax related upfront like before public participation? Is
that the or was this >> this has just been local custom really? >> Okay. >> Handle them at the beginning of the meeting. >> I I like it. I want to compliment it especially due to the significance of them and gives folks an opportunity to
weigh in. So, uh, council, we are, uh, moving right along here to item 6.1. This item is final millage rate titled. This is the second and final adoption public hearing resolution number 202512
adopting a final millage rate for the levy of ad valorum taxes for fiscal year 2526 on all taxable property located within the city of Cape Canaveral Bvard County Florida providing for an effective date. The first reading was held on August
19th 2025. This is adopting a final millage rate of 3.2474 mills for fiscal year 2526 which represents a rate below the roll back rate and includes two segments with our library and general government
millage. That's where we left off uh the last time. We've obviously had a budget workshop today. But since this is a public hearing item, I first want to uh council, do we have any questions for technical questions or anything to clarify before we give the public an
opportunity to speak on this item? Anything to clarify? Should it say city manager, did I? >> We're fine. We're ready to proceed. >> Okay. >> Is this the military we were talking about? >> No. >> No. Do we need an amendment for that?
>> Oh, yes. I'm saying the proposal here or where we left it. >> We're going to hear from the public and then we'll seek a motion for the rate we want. If we want this rate or jump right to the rate we just discussed. I think >> I'm reading the agenda as written. Uh we
had some discussion. So this is where we left off due to the workshop today. I think we might have an opportunity to lower that millage rate more. uh that will be represented in a motion within this vote. I'm sure we'll probably have to jump ahead and talk about the budget
like we always do a little bit, but when we get to the budget, I think it'll move quicker. But want to give the public a chance to comment on this. So, if anyone does choose to comment, just know that you're we're hearing uh
your thoughts on the millage rate. We're at the roll back rate and uh if you want to speak on uh potentially going lower, I think the calculation was council's could go 3.3%
less, which I think is a 3.1434 mil for transparency. I didn't want that to be confusing, but uh we will take that up here shortly. So with that public participation, I do have some
cards, but you obviously don't need one. Anyone here choose to speak on resolution 202512 to set the final millage rate? Please come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation.
All right, council. We just got uh out of the budget. I think it's important to state if the number is correct. There was a slight adjustment. The last time I spoke, uh, our finance director said the
amount in total of the items that we calculated was looks to be about $1,000 more. It's $212,010. And our city manager knew it the whole time. He we were teasing. He said he did back
of the napkin. Thank you. Is that the correct? >> That's correct. >> That is excellent. And I think that would >> that equates >> change the mill rate a little. That equates to a new millage rate of
3.14 29 which is a reduction from what you passed previously with the roll back >> of 3.32% >> below roll back. 3.32% below the roll back rate.
>> And do we know roughly what that revenue would be? >> Oh, well, you're >> what what you'll have to calculate it. >> Yeah. What you're doing essentially is you've just reduced
uh you reduced the budget by $212,000. I maybe I should >> which means which means that your revenues are going to equal your expenditures. So we'll make those adjustments and then the it'll reflect if the budget was I don't have it right
in front of me but 38 million whatever it'll reduce by $212,00010. And so what's going to happen now is once council gets done settling on this
um I will uh and and then we get through the budget ordinance um those adjustments will be made. So when council votes on the budget next, they're essentially voting on what they changes they made that affected the
millillage and they basically are approving a budget that's as that much lower of the 212,000 if you stay with 212. Then after that, what I will do when that's completed, I will go upstairs and I will redo the
resolutions's numbers. So when what of which council approves and then I'll bring that down and when council at the end of the night, you know, is done, they will sign that resolution. And that's how that'll work. >> And then your budgets, your budget books
will be adjusted accordingly and you'll get those, you know, early next week. Okay. So, that is helpful. Thank you. The total revenues was roughly 6 point >> um
I'm trying to go to the >> oh to the uh >> what the roll back rate was going to bring. You just shared that it'd be 200,000. If we're reducing the roll back rate by what was it 3.3%. >> Does that equal a decrease in revenue by 3.3%?
>> Right. It's it's it's it's math work that way. It's uh yeah it's reducing um what you what you've done is you have uh reduced you went in and reduced expenditures by 212,000 right and then those adjustments will
have to be made to um well the the revenues will the re we're not reducing the revenues we just reduced the expenditures which will then keep the contingency intact so to speak that rate
of 3.14 will support it allow we did not need the higher rate to support those reductions. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And and so >> so advalorum >> was current was 6.5 million.
>> So it'll reduce that by >> 200 >> 12 010. >> Yeah. And I think you know we these are allocated at the 95% collection and I saw in the last report for the agenda
for currently we've received 101% >> that's because of delinquent taxes and what have you >> and so when that >> it'll always some Okay. >> Yeah. >> And I know that was that's rare. I think we did it one other year but you're >> Yeah,
>> that's helpful. Um Okay, council. uh the 3.1429 rate um from the $212,10 in reductions. I think it would make sense for us to maybe
go back and where we left off and if there's anything else that we need to discuss on those items obviously anywhere in the budget book floor is open. So, do we want to discuss or did we come to a consensus on the reindeer run
because our cuts and not having that under the circumstances did we we had discussed possibly looking at a promoter? I think or do we just it would be worth
if there's a way my my two cents is to not Could somebody step in and do the role that or some of the functions of the role that Mary Jane did that was not our city staff? I
>> I think that was your idea. The city staff's still going to have to be involved obviously in the same capacity. But >> yeah, >> so I don't know. >> Like the running the running company, I forget the name of it. running zone >> running zone
>> um for them to take it over. >> We need to leave that money there and if we can possibly do it, do it. >> But it, you know, it it would take staff to contact them, see where they're at. um and they may have a bunch of
volunteers and may be able to do a lot that we're not anticipating, you know, with the transition of Mary Jane. So, um I just was wondering, you know, I think we should leave the money there in that
spot to make sure that we have that in there just in case. >> Mhm. Um >> I think it's important too because you know we've lost other things in the city that we used to do. We had phto field day, we had the patriots day, um
founders day and >> like that. And this is a very important event for our city. So whatever we can do, it's a shame it's such short notice that weird. >> Yes, it is. And it's uh I don't want it to be a burden for staff to try to pull
it off. Um, it's hard, >> but there, you know, if we got with the running, if staff got with the running zone and they were able to do that and possibly ended up that we had to deal with a promoter or something for t-shirts and
>> those kinds of things. I mean, it can be unpleasant, but you can get those things pulled off in this amount of time. Um, it's not something we don't want to burden staff with, but I just hate having a year skip because I remember
when we have done that before and this is a big community event. The people it draws out watching the runners and everything. >> It is a big >> Yeah, it's it's probably one of the biggest events that we have of the year.
>> And so, boy, I just hate skipping a year on that one. Um, I remember back in the 2008 years where there were a lot of foreclosures in the area and real estate had bottomed out and
>> it was like 30 people that ran by, you know, and we all missed that camaraderie that was here, but that we have as a community. So, that's just my thoughts on that piece. Yes, I think the 212,000 has that in the funds that which at
least gives us an opportunity if there is a way. We'll probably have to figure out that way >> um over the coming weeks, very short term. Council member Willis, >> if it might be difficult to find a promoter because they're typically going
to take a percentage. So, we have to consider that. Um, I think uh it might be to get it to the point that everyone would be comfortable with the presentation. It it might be difficult
to pull off this year. >> I just think the time it takes a lot to get an event like that together. >> Like John was saying >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, started in June or July and we're already the end of
September. Well, I'm I'm in the process of putting on a golf tournament >> for Cape View Elementary, and that's that has taken several months already, and the tournament's not till November 1st. So, it it does take a lot.
>> And same with the parade for the Veterans Day. It takes a lot to make things happen. >> Managing the vendors ex Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to clarify. Molly texted me earlier. It is. We're no longer using u the running zone. We're
using a run for a cause is they're cheaper. It cost us less money to and we can do it. We just want to make sure we do it to the same level of quality that it has been and because Molly Molly always points out our department is the
forward facing for the community and we just want to keep things to the standard that people are used to having them here. But thank you. I just wanted to clarify that about the company. >> What one other just question in regards to what we're >> uh Mary Jane? Yes.
>> Is there been any opportunity to kind of hand off her process? I mean, she's been doing it for so long, you know, I don't know if she's got some procedures or steps or any type of valuable information. >> I' I've worked with her mainly dealt
with her through the Friday Fest events. Uh but I know we would have meetings to start planning for the uh reindeer run in June >> and she would start she had already had feet on the ground was already moving. Uh but no sir, there wasn't a lot of
pass down. Um and as I said earlier, you know, it was always out there that she was going to retire, but never a date. And then it just, you know, she came up and told us that she was retiring. And >> Mr.
>> That's where we found ourselves. >> Council member Willis, >> John, could you possibly get Mary Jane to supply you with her contact list for that event only? I I and I think that uh Amy has a a small portion, but she is
the best contact best conduit for Mary Jane. >> Well, I think it would be it would be very very important to have that contact list of just >> right of the >> the big things like uh waste management, they always donate water and Jimmy
John's or Jersey Mike, one of them donates the sandwiches and bananas and things like that. That wouldn't be hard to do. It's the, you know, the things that people want to get, the t-shirts and the medals and things like that. Um, and then the big the raffle's a big
thing. Um, we just don't want to disappoint people. That's >> Well, yes, sir. We can work on that. >> Now, I know my wife is a member of a running club >> and um they have to they have to
register for these things starting about now, >> right? So, it's we're going to be late getting that out if we were to try to pull it off. I'm not arguing against it. >> No, >> I I just there's a lot of moving parts. >> I understand what it's going to take. >> Yes. >> I think that
>> and you know, at the $15,000, you know, we may make 10 out of it. Pay 15 to sponsor the thing and then make 10. Uh so, as you know, it's not we've never looked at it as a
money maker. It's a community thing. Uh and again, that's it's not that we don't want to do it. We would love to do it. We just want to maintain the level that we try to with every event we put on. Uh citizens will be happy and it's something that we can be proud of and
you guys can too. >> Yeah. I think that it's hard you undeniable can I mean time is what it is and I agree and I've done half marathon over this I mean that's a
really big one the Space Coast Marathon several years ago and boy it's a whole another level and we've been improving the reindeer run every year and we've like I said now we got residents out on Ridgewood we invite and they come and we
hand out reindeer years and it's kind of grows every year. But I said all that this is it's so popular that it's really hard for us to see, you know, what all goes into it. You started answering some of those
questions, but to me it would not be about inviting people the cost. It's I think they need to know where to go to if you set a date, but then all the logistics, you know, Bvard County Sheriff's Office and then the time to
get the awards and the medals. It sounds like those are the gaps. That's >> I don't think we'd have time to get the medals here. As Amy said, they come from China and it's all that's always a long lead time getting those in. So the issue would be do is it better to do no race
than maybe we get a different medal maybe it's not as some of those medals I mean you win the nice but everyone does not get a medal right >> no so they get a medal thing >> a participation medal
>> the year I ran did you get >> part of it >> I didn't get a medal >> it's part of the interestal >> we can put that on the agenda for next meeting if you want. >> Like it's part of the entry fee, right, John? Because you get a t-shirt and you get the medal. Yeah, that's how we do it in
>> Well, maybe we don't give our own. >> I'm going to tell you there's I got promotional things done, printed and everything in a week and shipped and received. So, there's different things we could do for this one time rather than a medal. I mean, we're the Space
Coast. if we could get some little tech techy promo item done that's printed here in the US as a one-year you know the t-shirt >> the metal is >> the medal's a big draw cuz when we do it in Cocoa Beach you get this nice big
metal participation and then cuz I walk and then um the uh >> and then the t-shirt so that's like 35 bucks you paid 35 >> shirt is a big deal >> yeah but that that that metal is I have not seen you wearing your medal yet.
>> I will not wear it here in >> We have people for a month or two months after the race is over. Coming by uh to pick them up. They don't pick them up on the day of the race. They leave them. But man, they don't leave them. They come and >> they want them. They come and pick them up.
>> But again, we just want to make sure we're doing >> and they're nice, too. They're heavy. And that's appreciated. >> They're not flimsy. They're nice. They're big metals. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, I've seen amazing substantive. So, I think it's kind of hard to see with the short notice how it's done. We don't want to defund it
just because we don't we can't see it. I agree that the wall might be high. Um, and I think we all might have to >> Well, our next meeting is going to be >> and the space force is having their 5K I
think the week after the reindeer run. So there's a race that's Commander Kek showed it to me when I was up here. >> The Air Force, >> the Space Force, they're having a a race >> and they've been promoting it >> apparently. So he it was online. >> We just need to change the name to the
reindeer run. >> Just have fun. Come down and come down Ridgewood. >> Okay. >> Or just hand out t-shirts to the people in our city and let them run behind them. I like it. All right. Well, thank you, Council Member Willis. Anything else?
>> Well, I want to keep the money in there, but I I find it difficult to think that we can pull it off to the level that we probably or the participants expect. >> Yeah. If there was an agency out there
that goes, "This is what we do." you know, hand us 12 grand or 10 grand and we're going to have your medals, t-shirts overnight. And you know, even then, which is I get it. >> That's why I was talking about now you
say it's run for a cause. If we contacted them and said, "Hey, we need this. You know, we'll give the 15,000 to you if you can make it happen." M >> how about we just maybe say we're going to keep the money in and if we could
inquire this one company who's new >> we don't have the resources we can be upfront with them obviously communicate what can you guys I mean do I think maybe that's practical >> I deal with contractors almost every day of the week that's the
way I approach them here's where we are you know can we work together so but uh Okay. So, if no other questions and uh council member Willis, I'll get the information. You ask about the just the logistics end of it. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir.
>> Yes. Thank you, John. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. So, we are going to keep that which doesn't change the number, the 211,000. >> Council me. >> Oh, yes. Thank you.
212. That's a special number. That's uh when what is it? Water boils to steam. Steam is produced at 212 degrees. There's a whole book about that. It's actually really cool. But either way, I've digressed. Uh we got a millage rate
public hearing item. We've heard or open it up public. The budget's right behind it. We're talking through budget issues to make sure We are on the same page. We're keeping the batting cage. I think that was a a change in the budget. We've reduced the
car uh by by 10,000. Our total general fund contingency and I know like well that number would be at this rate. >> Yeah. just look at a non-EP departmental
page in the new budget you were given and uh see what numbers reflect that there. Or is it 335 or >> the spreadsheet? >> Uh on the on in your budget book on a non-EP departmental page which is page
>> you got wastewater >> well I think the total yeah >> yeah look at the page uh 47 still it hasn't changed since we updated look at the bottom there where it says Contingency. What What's the number there?
>> What name? Uh 47. >> Yeah, page 47. Non departmental. >> 43. >> Is it 47 in that book, too? Cuz I've got they reprinted the book for you. I got >> No, understood. What? Coun or Mayor Perim Kellum, you said the contingency
335,625. >> That's it. Yep. >> Yeah, there it is. >> So, is that going We don't need to reduce that number, right? No, that's the one we're not touching. We went and reduced expenditures throughout the general fund and we're unaffected right
now with that. >> Okay. And that >> I guess would be what? Um 11 12% of the total budget of the Oh, no. I'm way off. Like one to two% right there.
Yeah, total non-dep departmental. But this is for the whole general fund. It's just classified in the >> the 33 the 335 supports the general fund throughout. Yeah. So if something,
>> you know, if you got to do a transfer into a department, that's where the money comes from. If >> your budget runs out in, you know, critical line item or what have you. I think understanding I know that there was a report and Joey was going through how those monies are used.
I don't know if there's a way to account for that. Uh but you know when you look at historical it's really hard to see. Um >> we could show that throughout the year by um anytime that there's a budget transfer because something happens the money's coming out of contingency. So,
what we could do on a monthly basis is if there's a and we used to do that this too. If if there's a budget transfer, >> we'll just put it at the bottom. You'll see a highlighted thing at the bottom of the monthlies and if there's a thing there that says budget transfers for the
month of there'll be a total and then you'll know that that came out of the contingency total. We could do that. Yeah, >> that'd be good. I think that would be I just don't want to be in a spot where you know it's like >> all of a sudden >> three more months in the contingencies,
>> right? No, no, no. We'll we'll let you know by month >> and I know the process I mean paperwork that you guys are doing is awesome. There's memo there's >> the whole the department submits and I got and it really answered my questions I saw but
>> and that was it. >> Yep. and the city manager will see it because the city manager will now be initiing the budget transfers after it goes comes through me. It's going to go to the city manager. Okay, great. Um,
council >> 3.1434 No. 3.1429. >> Yes. The last thing I will say uh for now I think that gives me is uh
legal services is something that I think we have obviously our city attorney has a role chartered and the code and so one of the things I talked with our city manager about was, you know,
utilizing that. We've talked in the past about incorporating our city attorney into, you know, some of the review processes at times and so that's an area in the past we can see the historical expenditures and, you know, there can be
litigation some years and it can be volatile and so need to make sure that's there. But um I I think that having the money there is important,
but we should by average 187,000 in 2022 23 238,000 202 23 24 and then we go 326. That might
be a little high. um we won't know but I have encouraged that uh and I think you know 22 23 might even been low. I'm not saying anything's high, but to to not utilize those services, I think
at this stage and where the city is is a misstep. And so we will and we've talked about some of the projects fail more in those. Um that that was it. I think unless there's more to that number that
maybe I'm not seeing, is that just a safe uh number? Um because I one of the things I wrote was I think 40,000 potentially could could be less, but I'm not suggesting that.
I'm just saying it would be a big jump if we actually ended up doing that. this year and I'm not I'm not sure it's going to be that high. Happy to have it because I've been
supported but are supported utilizing our city attorney more and I think um that could be another opportunity for this council to be aware of as we're moving forward. Contingency gets low. We need to look over here. See how I think
this is one of the areas. Um I think with um some of the new legislation, it's better to have it padded in that particular category. >> Mhm. >> You know, because we do have um what is it? SB 105 and
>> uh some of those that are ugly and we may end up having to engage. So to me, I like having it in there and then like you're saying, Mr. Mayor, is being able to move from it if we needed to. >> Yeah. And I think city attorney can see
things and the horizon that's coming and and help with us and work and see if possible. >> You want to say anything? I'm not asking you to, but if you wanted to, >> I'd be happy to answer any questions if you had them. I think, you know, that's
historically a little I mean, high, but we had some extraordinary issues, as you know, in the last uh year and a half, to say the least. >> We also have new staff that has direct connection with the city attorney and um
an open line of communication, if you will. And as new staff gets more accustomed to their duties and responsibility, they may find the less and less of a need to to seek, you know, legal guidance or opinion because of their experience. Um, but I think right now that's we see some of that happening
now with new directors and of course a new city manager. And as unique things come up, you know, um if we had some unique things come up, it might put the attorney in a situation where we didn't expect the attorney to have to maybe
write a 25page document, but it there was a necessity. Just use an example. Uh there was a necessity to do that based on the situation. So um you know that took a lot of time. So that that's how costs could happen. Unexpected costs and
due to something that's we think we're done, but then somebody says now I'm going to challenge that and now we need a legal opinion. And so Anony's writing a 25page opinion or something. So >> yeah, I'd rather have enough for those
scenarios. In the end, if they're not needed, great. We're happy. Everyone moves forward and and we can kind of stay ahead of it. You don't want to be in the legal department underfunded for sure, especially when you need something fast. So,
that's great. Okay, just reviewing a final things here as it relates to it. And there's anything council, please jump in
at any time. Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. Council member Willis. >> I think at 3.1429 we we've done our job. I think staff has done their job. Um
and I think uh our residents should be happy with where we are and >> yeah, I agree. >> That's the way I feel about it at the moment.
I think um I wanted to just make sure what I'm actually looking at was we've had comments on the budget related uh from Dr. Shannon Roberts, Mr. Brad Pll uh and a few others. I'm just going through these and making sure there's
there's no last or blind spots. Um, >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. I think uh one of the things we need to do is to be sure that we are disseminating information to the public properly and uh being sure that they
have a transparent view into what we're looking at and uh make those things available to the public a little easier if we can particularly budget. Let them see what we're looking at as much as humanly
possible. can't just print up everything each time, but uh at least a summary so that they have a good feel for what we're talking about. >> Yeah, I think um you know, as good as anyone on this software as we become
our team better at using it and familiar with the reporting. I know our city manager and I we've chatted that the functionality and and the reports that can come out of BSNA I think many of those are great for the public as well
especially the high level stuff and yeah the budgets have from you know PDF but you can see some of the best practices >> with cities with many of them a lot bigger budgets than than we have but I I'm looking forward to seeing us get
better at that tool um or any other tools that that can help. But yes, it will help and I cannot compliment this spreadsheet and the ability to do this enough. I mean, this was a game changer.
It's like the fact that in the past you would see kind of numbers fall off and you couldn't understand five years and you so important the covid I mean that is that can really skew >> the data and so you can't just look at
it one-sided this gave as far as I think I would like to see and it it did help us I think get to this and I think next year our city manager sort of walked into this halfway through the process. I
appreciate your patience as we're working through it and uh obviously our finance department who has been responsive to get these questions uh answered. >> We will get better and I do think that
that 3.1429 is uh is a great rate for us. um and any other opportunities or we don't do reindeer or whatever. I think the monthly reporting information only which
started about a year ago too or two is another thing we're sort of getting used to that from your point council member Willis is if we're looking at this because I know there's concerns about lean every month and maybe in that we
can incorporate some reports and kind of all right remember what we passed here let's make sure we're doing okay and um if we're Ready? Let's go. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> I just wanted to echo what you said. I
want to commend the city manager and John and his team for giving us the granularity that we were looking for and for being very responsive to our requests. So, thank you very much. Yeah,
>> I I thank uh Cheryl, Joey, uh Donna, and Kelly. I mean, team is doing a hell of a job, and give credit where credit's due. So, I feel very blessed to have this staff.
>> I want to thank your staff, too, because they've done an excellent job and even while you were unavailable. And Joey is amazing with his young mind because he is like a calculator and and
fixing getting those figures out for us on the fly along with your help. So I totally agree with you and thank you so much and thank you city manager as well as the staff for looking at how we could
get this to where we needed it to be. And so I'm appreciative for everyone's work on it. >> Well, we want to keep a good environment because we want people like Joey and others to stay with this city and grow cuz someday I'll get old and I'll have
to return. But on a serious note, we do we have to keep a good environment and um give people something that motivates them to shoot for. And I think we're doing that and new city manager extremely positive. or staff is elated that he's here and we
got a really good thing going on right now and we keep it going. >> Thanks, boss. >> Agreed. >> Thank you, John. >> And it just feels good to pass a budget that you like I I really I get it. Like I understand the why behind it cuz you
know it gives us as council a lot of confidence to to say no, we we did it. Uh, and I am extremely proud of this city as one team, one town city, Cape Canaveral for
being able to do this. I've been following it a little. I think we might be one of the few, if not the only, again, unless this council knows about any other below roll back rates. Um, so that is a testament in itself. And I
think with all that's happening at this state, uh, we're going to be in a very strong position to to protect our home role and, uh, try to put the city in the best position on revenue, whether it's
selling a a kern or but more about the bigger uh, revenue opportunities that we've talked about in the past, whether it's gas taxes, optimizing that, uh, tourist develop ment tax. Uh how do we, you know,
make our case? And I think we all know that we can and every other entity that impacts our little town around us to to to reduce our reliance on those property taxes. So, >> let's do this if we're ready. And uh
>> um I would just like to say um that this spreadsheet is amazing. It's it's really really helped us. Um, and then in the last meeting that I I wasn't here. I listened to it a couple times. I like the idea that you that you said, Mr.
Mayor, about let's establish the tax rate and then figure out the budget rather than the other way around. Um, I I like that idea moving forward. Um, I'm not going to be here next budget round,
but um, this has been so helpful, this spreadsheet and understanding what's what and and when we understand it, the general public understands. So, thank you again for your work and to the city
manager that walked into this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um I'm ready to make a motion to um adopt resolution 202512. Do we have to put the new >> 3.184 is the aggregate?
>> Right. I think it'd be good and as she's maybe can finish this motion. Should what is that breakdown or and I don't want is the combined fine or should we >> the combined will be fine because what you're You're doing the the general fun
you're doing um general government and then you you build the library in there. Well, we're already back at the library. The library is insificant. So what we're doing is >> so the general fund is 3.1434 it's 3.1429
>> and that so if >> yeah so I think it's important that we microphone and the library dependent. >> What are those breakdowns? I really think >> he's just asking for the breakdown. It's just a math question. So, it's 3. Yeah.
Subtract the library from the 3.1429. So, >> so no, that's okay. I had my mic off. Sorry. >> 3.1429 minus what is the library real? >> 0411. >> And that'll give you the general.
>> So, that means it's 3.101. 1018 >> on my calculator. Yeah, >> I'm done with the budget. I'm going to go upstairs and do this over. >> We need it for the motion. >> 31018 >> 3.1018 and >> 3.101
>> and 0411. 0411 is library to give you that total. >> Okay. So I make a motion that we adopt resolution 202512
with the milit rate of 3.1018 and the library dependent rate at 0.0411. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Got a motion by member Tim Kellum and a second by Council Member Willis.
The the comment I would say is this is actually really interesting because last year we don't I don't think we had this conversation and last year the library millage rate if I read it actually increased >> it was at
0422 I believe and then we went back this year is 0411 so I would write the roll back with the library >> so this year it'll stay but I think last year we were approaching the combined But when you look at the the line items,
I saw an increase in I'm like, hell, well, it was for that very tiny. And then the city took a greater, but when you combine them, it ended up being like three and a half%. So, one of them increased, one of them was decreased. But this year, I think I understand.
Any other comments or discussion on the motion? >> Somebody second. >> Yes, Council Member Willis. Seeing none, city clerk. >> Council member Jackson for Council Member Kellum. Sorry, Vice Mayor Prom
Kellum. I do apologize. >> No problem. Four. >> Mayor Morrison. >> Four. And council member Willis. >> Four. >> Okay. Uh final adoption public hearing fiscal year 2526 final mill rate resolution
202512 passes 4. City attorney. I think that wraps that one up. Great. We didn't we went public comment. We're back. >> Now we're on the ordinance. >> Okay. City attorney
item 6.2. Two. >> Ordinance 06-2025, an ordinance of the city of Cape Canaveral, Bvard County, Florida, adopting the annual general fund, wastewater enterprise fund, storm water enterprise fund, enterprise capital fund, special revenue funds, capital
project funds, and agency fund budgets for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30th, 2026, providing for an effective date. This is uh second and final reading of the ordinance and final adoption of the next fiscal year budget based on the
millillage rate that the city council just established. Mayor, thank you. City attorney before we go into public, do we have any questions uh for the city attorney, city manager, department
directors before hearing from the public? I don't have any cards for this one, but somebody wants to speak obviously can. Public hearing. Good. All right. Open up public participation. If you'd like to speak, please come forward or signal and we'll
make sure you're heard. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public participation. >> I'll make a motion we adopt ordinance number 062025 and the second reading. I'll second that motion.
>> Got a motion by Mayor Pro Tim Kellum and a second by Council Member Jackson to adopt the motion and enactment of ordinance 062025. >> My question on that motion is
>> do we >> what do we need to change? So, so basically your your budget what what you're doing is it's it's okay to adopt this and and really all you really think I need to you need to say and I think Anthony um you could just we could ask Anthony your budget has been reduced in
the general fund by $212,10. So the overall when you see your front page on your budget it's going to be that much lower. And then when we look in the general fund revenues like the mayor said that the revenues go down then the millillage the t adalerum tax is going to go down 212 and we've
reduced the expenditures throughout. So, if council just votes that to reducing approving a budget that reduces um uh the revenues or the overall budget by 212,010
then I think that does it. And then um I will go up with uh actually when Joey gets back we'll and we'll adjust all the things we were asked to do and when you get the new budget it'll be $212,10 less >> and then that's that'll satisfy
>> but it'll be the project. It's important that it'll be those projects like >> Yes. It'll be like concessions. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Every everything. So we will only reduce the expenditures that were approved by council that got us to this
millillage. we will um uh reduce the overall um budget total and that then you will receive a book that shows exactly what you're passing here where I think and Anthony correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to say we
approve this budget with that is has a reduction of $212,000 $10 in the general fund and then it all gets adjusted accordingly because that's what's changing Because I I mean that's how you have to
do it because we're not going to go we can't go up and we can't go do based on the changes we can't do all the the changes tonight but we know what the changes are. >> Oh, so the but I see >> so in this advertisement I think it'd be
good if we go to the ad that was ran >> on the 11th. Yeah, is provided. By the way, this is great. Um, I think it's attachment or three. Yeah, if we can go to that
breakdown of the budget summary. That's the page isn't numbered. It's the last page in the the agenda item. The now this has got all the funds general revenue but in that general fund col
column the expenditures are it's actually is it that one? Mine looks a little different than that. Well, this one, >> yeah, because there's different things added together, but in essence, the millage that was generated is $212,000.
Now, it's going to be $212,000 less >> included. >> And that millage rate would be adjusted up at the top of that in the left hand column. >> Yes, exactly. >> Over here, Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. Yep. >> We don't we don't have to run we don't
have to run the ad again because we've already run it. >> We're going lower >> now. We're going lower. Well, we're going lower. Yeah. So, this is We're not >> So, the expenditures in the general fund column. The way I love this layout, too,
because it really helps see the transfers and >> um so 22,970,986. >> Mhm. Yep. and didn't that will be reduced by >> well I guess they're >> that'll be reduced by $212,10
>> okay so that those transfers out of the general fund at 335,000 >> well that's because uh that that is the um that is the contingency
>> I think it'll okay well that makes sense >> contingency Mhm. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. And then so that needs to So the number is 23,36,611, >> right? >> Okay. So we would reduce that by 200
12,000. >> Right. >> Okay. And is it okay? And last year's total expenditures
what that number um let me see for the general fund only let me don't believe this changed >> I just want to see the change
Actually, I got the budget budget. >> I have the other budget here from last year. So, I'm just getting through my book here. That would be let's see it looks like the totals were
um and I'll double check this but 21 million 902332 and this year it's >> 23306. Let me make sure that that's and the overall Yeah, because the budget and the overall
budget was 37,48 and now this year is Could you go to the first page of that book, the first page of the bud budget book? Could you uh could you go to the first page of the transmitter? Okay,
>> please be looking through this book. This is normal. >> It'll be on page. I just want to show it on page. I just want to make sure >> council, you could you could look at page two on your book. You've got the
newer the book. If you look on page two at the top >> um on the transmittage >> it'll tell you what the total budget is. 38 million. Does it show 38 million110122 or you've got the updated one. What does it show on page two on
the transmitter at the very top the first line? >> Page two. >> Yeah, I think it's page six. >> Oh, is it page >> that gives a more >> consistent breakdown? It's just >> I was just I was trying to identify
though what um >> yeah, I'm trying to reduce it the budget to what the bud total budget was on page two. If somebody could just >> rattle that. Oh, here we go. Esther's got it. Go and go up, Esther. >> 23 million. Something >> else. Hold on.
>> There we go. Right there. So, it's 38075789. >> So, that number is going to be reduced in totality by 212,000. And now you could go to the the page that the mayor's talking about. He wants to see expenditures on the general fund.
So go to page six. We'll just slide down. Keep going. Uh keep going. Stop there. Okay. So that's um >> page 13. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Go to page 13 then.
>> That was bad because it was a >> Okay. 13. Let me see. So yeah, that our actual >> expenditure 30 uh >> well that was the original budget for this year. Basically it says in 2223 we spent 25 million800,000
then 2324 that's the the latest audited year that we have right our our caffer >> is for 28 so that was the number 28,668,000 >> and we obviously are on the final
stretch of this budget unodudited but we set a 37 million And do we know roughly where we are today? >> I'd have to look at the uh >> that's because that's >> the monthly financials. And
>> I guess yeah. Are you just looking at >> it's absolutely going to be I mean if 37 if we spend all of the 37 million it's going to be a a big reduction because I think yeah
that's got a lot of transfers of the other financing. I guess I'm trying to see what the expenditures look like in this same category for the current year we're in. I can see we spent 28 million in 2324
actuals. >> Yeah, I I I I'd have to look at the uh >> That's okay. I think that spreadsheet uh would be Nope, never mind. It's uh that columns. Okay. Yeah, cuz cuz starting off in the
budget last year, the um expenditures were 21,902332. >> What was that 21 million? >> Yeah, 21 million. >> What is that number represent? >> Well, that is the um expenditures for
the general fund that was in the budget when we began last year. Okay. Yeah, I think uh >> and now this year we're looking at 23 Well, we got to take 200k off that.
So 23.1 million versus 21.9 million. So this year it's So this year it's 23 it's going to be 23.1 million and last year it was 21.9 million. When I say last year, I mean this year. The new
budget's 23.1. So that's the difference. >> This budget that we're considering tonight is 23.1, >> right? >> And the one last year was >> 21.9 is what we went in with. So to see what the run rate is, I could, you know,
we could look at those reports and um see where we're going to end up. We we won't actually know where we'll end up till after about the till about the first week of October. Yeah, I just was trying to get I guess the year to date, but I can see that the
23 million that was proposed is now that makes sense 200,000 are >> so balance year to date was like 14 million at the last report. So that number
according to the whatever the date of this report the same one mayor per Tim Kellerman I think that column is showing because I've got that expanded column view >> that we've spent the 14 two
>> What month is that though? Is that back in July? Is it's two months behind? >> Um yeah I think >> yeah it's two months behind. >> Yeah it doesn't have a date. All right. So the that cash forward though, the 5 million actually you add that and it
gets it really close. So that makes sense. >> The in expenditures increase from 2324, but we don't know if they're going to
increase or decrease from this year. Yeah, >> I guess that's do we have any read and I'll stop there on >> we could land on that. We we would know that of course for you in the first week of October we'll know that. >> Yeah, but be adjusted because there has to be an audit but
>> that would be relatively >> close. >> Okay. Well, this was I think a couple months. So, if we're at 14 million I mean I don't think we're going to be spending six million in the next or over the last month or two. Well, it depends
what projects are being hitting the budget and you know, things of that nature. >> Okay, we got a motion. >> What's was the motion? >> Did I say the right name, Anthony? if I
need to. >> It's um motion to approve the um budget, >> right, >> with a reduction >> of2,000 $212,10 um which will be reduced out of the
general fund because the enterprise fund will be unaffected, the other funds will be unaffected. So out of the general fund and that'll do it. >> Okay. So, I amend my emot motion to um adopt ordinance numbers 062025
with a $212,10 reduction in the general fund. >> That's correct. >> Yes. Then I'll second that amended motion. >> All right. >> Okay. We got a a motion to amend the main motion by Mayor Bartim Kellum and seconded by
council member Jackson as stated to reduced the expenditures by $211,10. Any discussion on the motion to amend the main motion? Seeing none, city clerk on the amendment to the motion.
>> Council member Jackson for >> Mayor Prom Callum >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. >> The motion to amend the main motion passes 40. City attorney, I believe
we're back to the main motion as amended. >> Yes. Just making sure I didn't misstep. I think we're now dealing with the one motion as amended. Council, >> we'll have to do it one more time if
we're ready. >> Make a motion we approve the amended motion. >> No, it's already you're I'm sorry, Council Member Jackson. I don't need to do that. We need to go ahead. If if there's no other discussion, call the
role. Okay. The right thing. City clerk, is that clear for >> Yes. I preferred your first >> point of order. >> Yes. I preferred your first um where you declared um to amend the motion, you
know, um make a motion to um amend the the amendment, you know, the amendment. >> The mayor prom made the motion, >> right? I understand that. But yes, so I just want you to um >> Emma would cook role on that. >> You need to call the role now.
>> I think she she's treating the the mayor prom's motion as an amendment. >> Yes. >> To the uh budget. >> Yes. >> Exactly. >> And >> Okay. >> And now she's asking for another vote to
approve the budget as amended. >> Exactly. Right. Gotcha. >> Thank you. >> That's what she would like. >> Let's do it. That makes sense to me. >> Okay. I make a motion that we approve the uh budget as amended. >> And I will second that. >> Any further? I got a motion by Mayor
Perm Kellum, a second by Council Member Jackson. Any further discussion? Council member Willis. >> Good. >> City clerk. >> Council member Jackson. >> Four. Mayor Prom Callum. >> Four.
>> Mayor Morrison >> four. and council member Willis >> four. >> Thank you. >> That's great. Yes. Yes. That is class ordinance passes 40. >> We are at 7:57
p.m. I need to do a very quick break and uh if we need longer, fine. But I think that gets us to the end of the uh public hearing.
>> Yeah, hearing items. And we do got public participation. I've got three cards. If we could take a break, come back and and hear that. I think we can move through. So, let's try to get back in the next uh five minutes if you
choose. >> I like clapping after. >> That was a long struggle there. Oh Lord. call this meeting back to order. We're in our regular city council meeting September 16th. Uh we just finished up
the uh lengthier agenda to get to public participation. Uh we finished both public hearing uh the first set 6.1 and 6.2 with the taxes and the budget. And
now I've got three public uh comment cards here. And if uh looks like two, one of them is not noted. One of them says for item 11 and one of them's open. Uh Dr. Shannon
Roberts, I see you here if you'd like. Um and then item number 11 just to see that is >> okay 11.1 okay well
no that's Okay. >> I don't think so. Not yet. >> Thank you, Shannon Roberts, 703 Salona Shores Drive here in Cape Canaveral. And I want to thank you so much for your um address of the budget. And one of the
comments I made on the card was the fact that I think that we have three basic customer groups naturally. Council is one, staff is one, and the third is the community. And my concern, first of all, you all enabled
um John to have that spreadsheet that you all worked with tonight. And that's come as a result of your different workshops you've been having. you helped him work into something that you all could understand and that is so significant. Applaud you for that. And then of course the staff. We hope the
staff understand since they're the formative part of the budget. The third group is the community. And um one of those items that I mentioned on August 19th in that email to you all >> was the fact that I think it would be so helpful to have a budget friendly um
product. Um, we really were. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself. I was completely lost tonight. I know you all were looking at that spreadsheet, but it was not a handout for us uh in the community. And maybe we could have followed it if it had been, but it's I'm just letting you know how clueless we
get when we're listening to this um addressing each of the items. But I'm happy you all had something that you could work with, which is definitely an improvement. But I think the group that's getting um that's a gap an opportunity for improvement is with the community. I think we need to have a
budget friendly uh product for the community even if it was the top 10 things that you all were dealing with in lay person terms so that we could understand exactly what you're talking about adding to the city or taking away from the city whatever it is. Um, and
then also possibly a workshop to help like a one-on-one workshop for the community because a lot of the terms, a lot of the revenue sources, a lot of the sharing of dollars is not really clear to us unless we have something that's sort of in a pie chart or something to
that effect that would be helping you and the terms, you know, so that we can understand what's being referred to. So, those are real serious suggestions because obviously this is our money and you all are wanting to be transparent
with us, but we really are getting lost. >> The other part of this was I knew that probably the best thing to do was put down any of the budget related concerns I had, which I did in an email to you all >> and I think I had 21 to 22 items on there. And I bet you all to take the
time to deal with all those, but what happens even in a public participation meeting like now, we don't know where it goes. I mean, we we give it to you as our input, but there's no followup or no
means to follow up. And I'm just suggesting there may be a best practice among other cities where they have a means to respond to communications or or have a point of contact for public engagement. I'm just mentioning this as something
that maybe we could work on for our city because we I don't know who to go to. I'm just using me as a case. >> Um >> I don't know how to follow up with the 21 items. Not every not everything had to be acted on obviously but you know
you all heard me speak about the vision the positive future of the city and I just don't know where that gets represented when we're cutting back for example or maybe some things that we paid consultant money for and I don't know what you know prompted us not to
build off of that planning etc. I know I'm out of time, but um I'm just really recommending a communityfriendly process, a PC for us to work with. Um if we have to make an appointment or whatever, I know I'm over, but you know,
it was we've been here since 3:30 and this is the reason that for our time to wait for our part of that you've offered us that Wes to give us a chance to speak. So I appreciate but I didn't want to bring up my 21 items to ask at this particular juncture but I did want to
suggest to council. Do you have any suggestions now if I may take advantage of just your attention because I don't know where this goes. this. >> Yeah. I I think uh it's really important to say that
I am I I can't imagine how you would be remotely able to follow along when it's so difficult for us and we have it here and I think the city has went through a transition over the past 3 to 5 years of
getting it to kind of this stage of all right well we can see it we can comprehend understand it better. We can discuss so many of those historical meetings was just getting it in I think a format that we could make sense and and move quickly. And so when we get
outside recommendations on the specific, you know, it was really even hard to understand the tradeoffs and the give and takes. Uh but today we are in a better process and I think our city manager and I had a great discussion last week and we talked about you know
he's coming into this but making the improvements for next year's budget. I don't think it's going to start off like it did last year, but I know historically that the department directors um have presented to the council as a
whole. And I think we have evolved from that and now we start with these CIP projects, but we can't see any any of the other uh items. And I love the I I have your email here and I've had it I referenced it at the last meeting, but I
think our city manager uh we've talked about the reporting and the improvements that BSNA can bring. How can we incorporate that in the public? And just like we have a chance to ask
questions uh where in the the public obviously through every hearing but to say where does 21 questions get addressed not in three minutes right that's not fair to you take your time to do that either. >> No and I'm agreeing with you and so I
think um I can tell you how I handled it for myself. I I went through and read them and I you can see here I was checking ones I agreed with and honestly the way I work today is I try to make sure the budget we're passing addresses these but how we respond to this um I
think we we do need to have more time because it it's these two hours or one hour >> times five plus explanations and one comment we run out of time every time
>> and it's like the start >> one and a half start. I'd rather put in a four or five hour one time day up front and you know be able to get through it but >> I Yes, >> you say it's an evolution and I
appreciate that. I think the spreadsheet I'm not sure why the public wasn't given that. I'm just using it as a sample because then we could have probably followed it along with what you all were looking at. I'm just using that as maybe it was available and I just didn't see
it. I'm sorry. But um that was a great improvement on your own's part as you say the evolution. I think it's just trying to bring the community along with you. So, thank you. >> And I Yeah, I think now that we've got this spreadsheet, there's even some columns that I think we would all agree
we don't need that here for today, but that's excellent example of, you know, a summary of all the projects on one spreadsheet and with some basic information. and we've got some of those resources. Um, and I think having those out and
available, especially in something like a workshop, will encourage public to understand what we're talking about. And I want to compliment the last meeting, I brought in a physically printed to your point that spreadsheet was
introduced and it was due to kind of the the timing of it and it was really big and I'm like, how am I going to do this? It was unbearable to read, very small, but our city staff was able to get it up on the monitor. And so when I went back and watched that meeting on YouTube, it was
actually showing on the monitor. And that seems like, well, yeah, why wouldn't you? Well, in the past, we we haven't always been able to do that. And so I think that is separate from what you're talking about, but it's really
important. I will respond to the from I can my opinion on on these and probably tell you all the ones we agree on. There's a few that it's not about disagree and I think it's just more about understanding but I want you to
know this is very valuable to me and I know this >> question also does this help you all at all because you mentioned some other people that had written you also which is great. >> Yep. And I've got all four of those and like I got four that were significant on the budget. I mean real comprehensive
opinions. I didn't want to but >> thank you. >> I've appreciated this dialogue kind of >> uh I know we're over the time but >> you've put in significant time yourself and I'm agreeing we do have gaps. >> It's an opportunity and like you said
evolving and I want to thank you all for the new telephone system. That was one of one of the 22 I think. So, thank you so much. I know we uh really appreciate all you all are doing. Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. Yes, Council Member Jackson. >> Um
as a followup to Dr. Robert's comment. She and I had uh spoken and in in regards to workshop. >> Mhm. >> If we did that, I really think we need to just have and this is me being old school probably just a a class on how
all this fits together, >> the revenue sources, the expenses, uh the various departments and how the CIPs work into that >> and that kind of thing. That way, if we were able to put the documents online
prior to the next next budget cycle, >> if we were able to put that out in a workshop, but do it as a class >> to explain because it is, you know, this is my second budget,
>> but it is difficult. And we went from not having line by line when through my first budget cycle to now we've got that capability through BSNA and that sort of thing. I did it the hard way with uh the
way I did it. But um I think it would be very helpful to the citizens that care and want to know about it if we did it that way as far as you know and I'm sure that uh John's group would have the
ability >> past budgets it'll say amended adopted budgeted proposed and some of them are usually identical the and that to me it never made sense and it doesn't really provide a lot of
value when the numbers are you know the same there's no difference and amended and so I think once we get the format yes being able to do it and explain it even a short doesn't have to be high-end production just a voice over recording
of here's our budget I'm going to explain it to you in layman's terms the best of my ability um or we have our subject matter experts talk about their departments or whatnot, but it's recorded and uh or not even specific to
that year, but just the basic terms. People can watch that early and then hold like a class, you know, the basic >> and a lot of this content's in there. We got our glossery. Our city manager at Can Express, he he was literally bringing this up unprompted in our last meeting as well. So,
>> I I I think we're heading in the right direction and Dr. Rabbit, your help to get us there is appreciated. So, thank you. >> Any other comments? I know I took the liberty there to to speak uh and respond. Um I know been here a long
time, longest I've ever waited for public participation, but it was we got a lot done. So, that's great. So this is um there's one card. I think the other item you will wait until we're there. That's
uh under item 11. I have got a card here. Mr. John Benton. Not see Mr. Benton, but I want to make sure on the record he is not here. And I've got Miss Sarah Hodgej here.
Item number eight noted. Do you want to speak now or when we get to that item? Well, you want to wait. That's that's fine with me. I think we can wait and when we get there here shortly, hopefully we'll get it done. Thank you. Okay. Were there
any other cards? I think that'll conclude for now. Seeing that, we'll go ahead and close open public participation. And now we are getting back to the manager matters. This is a new uh
section and I'm excited to hand it over to our city manager. >> Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council. So, uh we have four items under managers matters. The first one is the uh Bureau of Economic and Business Research population estimate. And for those not
familiar, the University of Florida uh through the BEBR, their BEBR generates a population estimate that can be used by cities and counties for a number of purposes including planning, budgeting, sharing, um revenue sharing, and fund allocation, things of that nature. And
so our population is currently estimated to be 9,987, which is down uh a decrease of 15 people from 2020, 5 years ago. I'm not not sure why the BEBR is telling us population from five years ago. Perhaps perhaps
we've been steady until now and that was the last calculation. Uh so again uh for the purpose of what our population can be used for and and we'll just make sure that we're mindful going forward when it comes to anything that we're seeking whether it's an appropriation or grant
or something like that where our population is relevant. Um there are some grants available for communities less than 10,000 uh that we could potentially seek. So we'll get with staff um now that we're through the budget cycle and into the new fiscal year and see what we can go for out
there. The second item under 82 is uh the letter that we're going to be sending to the FAA in reference to the um making our comments on the draft environmental impact statement. As council knows, there's been a number of different public presentations on this
topic and they are encouraging everyone to give their input. We read the Port Canaveral's input and uh gleaned some ideas off of that. But um staff has uh co-authored a letter uh to upload to the FAA's website. It's due on the 22nd.
It's currently being reviewed by the city attorney and uh we're going to have a final product ready to go on time and we'll make sure council has a copy of that letter once we've we're ready to do that. The um third item is supplement
appropriation for hurricanes Helen and Milton. Uh this is an appropriation that uh we're seeking. It kind of dovetailed off of the four 4.7 million appropriation that we received to shore up, you know, our um wastewater
treatment plant where we would like to basically build a wall in the ground so that we can stabilize that area and protect our resource over there. And so after doing that, we became aware of more money available through this act. And so we're seeking well, we've applied
for 27 million and uh to be used uh two different ways. Um, one would be to continue working on the fortification of the sto uh the um water treatment plant area so that you know we can continue to
protect that and then secondly to work on the canal and getting some revenue to you know improve drainage and potentially pump water out as necessary. So we will not know anything about that until probably November. We don't know
how much we'll get, but those are the two items that we're looking to tackle there. And then finally, it's our short-term rental task force. I've mentioned this to all of you in individual meetings. We launched this group immediately following uh the council meeting where
we elevated the fees that the city's charging uh to folks operating in this industry. And the the task force consists of members of our staff, our fire department, and uh the sheriff's office. And uh just to share some basic
information about the group, we're we're strategizing on how we can, you know, reduce incidents, increase revenue, and maintain our quality of life while we're supporting an industry in our community. And um we have some preliminary data to share. It's in the backup documentation.
Um, we've got some data from key vacation recent rentals and that is presented to us from the vacation rentals by owner or also known as VBO. And we just wanted to provide council in the community with a snapshot of what's going on in the industry, how many
rentals there are in our area and the rest of the county, so you can see the other cities and how they fare. We've provided some information uh from February of 24 through August just a few months as a snapshot and you can see how those numbers gradually increase. So
this is what happens in this industry. Uh it's continuing to grow. Um, as far as our registration efforts go, we are approximately 50 more registered um, short-term rental operators in the, uh,
city from last time we reported out to you. And um I can tell you that this is a constantly moving target, you know, with tracking folks down and the the ordinance that we have to follow, the state statute we have to follow, verifying ownership through the property
owner property um appraisers website and um so the numbers that we have come across the city for for example actual city of Cape Canaveral residents who operate a business in the city this you
short-term rental eight which is 2.51% of our overall total. So only eight people who live in our city actually currently operate a short-term rental business in our city. out of state uh 93 which accounts for uh 29.15%
of the known operators people who live in BVAR County 114 which is 35.75% of the total and other Florida residents 104 which is 32.59. So, if you add those numbers up, we're
looking at well over 90% 90 97% of the people who operate short-term rentals do not live in our city. And we'll continue to update those numbers um as we move forward. But I I
really want to commend staff for a moment uh in our community development uh department especially and um the tracking that they're doing, you know, the registering uh code enforcement, how we're how we're verifying and things of
that nature. And we're continuing to generate revenue. Right now we're looking at um an annual um revenue I believe was at 94,000 almost 95,000 a year just with what we have registered and that's about 319
uh registered now. So and that's it for managers managers unless there's any questions. >> I have a question. >> Yes ma'am. >> Yes. And we that one of the cards was on one of the manager matter items but council member Jackson don't let me forget council. Okay. On the um vacation
rentals on the Cape Canaveral numbers, that looks more like it on totals because I knew we were really low there. Got that 1676 listings. Um one thing I wanted to check is does
that include the realtor's listings? >> I'm not sure. I'd have to get back to you on that. My understanding is the listings you're seeing here are from could be from Airbnb as well. resource, but vacation rentals by owner or VBO. >> So, >> and those will often times overlap,
>> right, >> when you are starting to look at compliance. Yes. You know, just so you know. >> Yes. >> And then a lot of them are on websites that are not these websites. And so I know that Decard
um looks at the major websites, but right now there's a transition happening where people are trying to get away from those two sites because of some things they just did with their hosting fees, right? >> So just so you know, >> thank you. >> You may see things moving around and
y'all might have to be kind of creative to find them. Well, we are thinking about educating the community on how to know if you live next door to an Airbnb and to notify us, you know, what to look for and especially if you're having issues with your neighbor as a result.
But let us know and we can investigate and hopefully community input can help us track some of these down. >> And what I have found, just so you know, city manager, is people don't want to do that because you can't turn in an anonymous complaint. That's true. Yes.
>> And so the people in my complex come to me and tell me >> and okay, this one's doing this. What are you going to do? What are y'all going to do? You know, so um it's going to make it I hope that they'll step up. >> I agree. And again, I just want to
commend staff. This is a constantly moving, evolving business. They are dedicated to capturing as many who are operating unregistered as they can. And I just want to state that as our commitment uh to those honest operating not saying that people are being
dishonest they may not know but those people who are following the rules and paying their fees to the city our commitment is also to them that we are out there looking for those who are not um you know following the codes and getting them on in line
>> and I appreciate that as well. I know that that makes a difference to people because people have told me >> you know they've said I'm following the rules and and they aren't, you know. >> Correct. >> So, thank you very much, city manager. I appreciate that. >> You're welcome. We'd like to thank the
sheriff's office as well for their assistance. They're going to be invaluable to us moving forward. >> Thank you. If there's any other comments at this time, council, we're going to go ahead and hear from Miss Sarah Hodgej if you'd like to come forward. I think I've got
here note not noted item 8.2 which was the star >> comments to FAA about space >> starship. Hi >> Sarah. Anyway, um I I didn't realize you had already gotten the comments going because I just wanted to friendly remind
you that we only had a few more days and Titusville did theirs yesterday or day before and um I just there's a lot of issues that and it did you read the port comments to see all the things that they're concerned about?
>> No. No, not >> the schedules on the ships. uh they could be 2 hours off, they could be not anywhere near the port. You know, it's it's like there's a lot of of really serious um issues that in addition to
the damages that we can get. And you know it's um back several years ago they buried the sarin gas rockets right off our coast and it's in an old ship that they
stopped fracking off our coast because of that. And the world's worst chemicals are out there waiting to, you know, and I don't know if the vibration can penetrate it, but they didn't go as far
as they said they would. I've been looking some old >> information and they didn't take it 160 or whatever miles off like they were going to and uh so that can be an issue
one day especially if we have a lot of vibration but um there's the airplane schedules in all the adjoining airports especially Orlando International that's going to affect maybe 2hour delays days or more.
That was what FAA had on their their chart that it's going to require rescheduling for their airplanes. How how are they going to keep their >> you know, how are they going to keep it going? um and vibrations around here.
Those new ships, the new um Star of the Seas or whatever, they already had a broken big window the first day they went out, you know, and then they also had a a slide problem and they have a covered roofs now in glass. That's going
to be very vulnerable. Um, we've got 40% of the space, I mean the uh fuel for central Florida and near the Trident base. Can you imagine? And then they want to build an LNG processing facility for the gas here
locally. They wanted to do it on the barge canal. I guess you saw that, right? >> I did see that. >> Yeah. Well, they they want to use LG gas for the starship. So, you know, there's a whole lot of issues
that I, you know, but but I know that you've been doing so. Thank you very much. >> If we can get name for the record, mayor. >> Thank you, Sarah Hodgej. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah.
Okay. Um, there's two, three, there's one for item 11. We'll address that when we get there. I um I do want to briefly respond to just a few things. First, thank you so
much uh to our city manager for doing this. I think uh it is helpful that we can kind of see things that are happening that are big and significant. And I think all these would potentially impact the council. Um
the 8.1 research makes sense. The comments on the draft environmental impact statement, I think you said that will go out. I um will we have a chance to review that
before it goes out? I don't think it was included cuz city attorney I think you said is working on it, >> right? It's in draft form. Uh if the council would like to see it before it goes out, we can get it to you. The deadline is Monday the 22nd.
>> Yes. As um I I absolutely would like to see that. Um the media has reached out. Um I know uh council member Jackson has uh been working and it really all of us at
different capacities. So I think this is one as we heard in public comments that I I went to that one over 100 people. I did not make it to the last one. But there's there's a lot of concern in the
heart of the community. I mean, uh, fishermen and the roles of the port to support that. And when you hear that, uh, obviously we all who live here, um, we love space, but this is we've been
down this road, so I think that would be helpful. Thank you. Um, and I do need to dig into the ports and read it. I got some of the the summary uh items, but I appreciate you bringing that up. The supplemental appropriation for hurricane
Helen and Milton that is to the department Florida department of and that is where in the process is that being we're waiting on >> the the deadline to submit our
application was in June prior to my um employment and so we are waiting. November is when we were told we would get some type of result on that. >> From the state of Florida. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Um Okay. So, this appropriation, this is just an update stating that's coming forward. >> Yes. You know, it was important to make sure council knew that we're seeking this money. That's the main reason to to
make you aware and then to let you know what we intend to use it for depending on what we're awarded if we're awarded anything. >> Yes. I think uh I can speak for myself but knowing what uh monies are we're
pursuing and actually uh the agenda item that was provided I think 11.2 to discuss the legislative priorities. I'll circle back. I think I've got some some things there that might help. But thank you very much for for bringing that to us.
>> Yes. >> And the short-term rental task force. Uh that is excellent. And if uh maybe when you're ready from time to time wrote a council member or two, we could sit in on one of them just to to hear and maybe
share especially if we've got something you know the beginning part of the meeting and break uh as we all impacted by short-term rentals and you know from both sides and so that's uh those comments from me. So thank you council
member Jackson. I just wanted to speak in regards to the EIS. I am also as a council as actually an elected official. Let me put it that way. I'm not going to give a official city view, but I am going to give my
feedback as an elected official with constituents that are concerned. I have spent a ton of time on this working with the city manager and the city attorney. I have spoken to assistant manager down
in Texas, six miles from their launch site to discuss what they're seeing in as far as um any type of damage over time. Um what they're having to repair,
um getting information on whether they have had successful claims and a lot of information like that. I've also gotten information from them on how to document your property to ensure that you have
set the baseline that your property is okay prior to the launch. Um so it is you know documenting it similar to a hurricane and like you know uh if you had some type of claim to prove that your property was okay prior to anything
going on. um they gave the information on where to file a claim um when we in the last public meeting with the FAA and I've also reached out and spoken to two of our state reps in regards to the FAA
closures the impact on tourism the impact on the airports because it will close Miami Tampa Melbourne Fort Lauderdale Jacksonville
And um you know so from the top of the state to the bottom on takeoff then on landing it will it will close all of the airports for a certain amount of time on landing because almost the entire state
except for a portion of the state up by the Alabama border is in the risk hazard zone on landing. So it's a huge impact. Um it's uh you know with the state reps I did con you
know express my concern with tourism. We're a tourism based state and also we have a lot of people in this area that are with the space industry and they travel to and from various locations so they're in the air a lot and that'll
impact their travel as well. So, there's been multiple things I've been working on and um trying to get um have valid information. I sat one weekend and looked up every acronym in the EIS
and how and what it meant. So, I'm trying to make sure that I've got this covered as far as my being able to give feedback that's educated, but also ensuring that we are prepared no matter which way we go or which way it goes
because if it does launch from here, I want to make sure our properties are documented. And I plan on providing what I put together that I've gotten from Texas to the city manager and he's going to work on it. um he and I spoke and
we're going to work on it to get it out to our citizens and our businesses and you know take care of documenting our city property as well. >> Did I forget anything city manager?
>> Thank you. And I know this is new, but it is uh it's really helpful because these are big issues in the community that we all interact in different capacities. And I think when we start, you know, communicating as the city of Cape
Canaveral um from for confidence working with the whole council and, you know, we all can diversify in our different ways and help and we I can't be everywhere and and and so I think uh when we get these updates
on these big items, it really helps. And thank you, Council Member Jackson, and all who's who's helped in in different ways. >> Council member Willis. Well, the city manager and I got to meet Colonel Chapman,
uh, who is the new commander of Patrick Space Force and Cape Cana Patrick, uh, air station or launch complex and uh, also got to meet with u his, uh, liaison
to the community. And so we've got that avenue of of conversation going and let them know that we had those issues and how we can uh address
those issues with the space force. So >> that was with NASA FAA. >> No, no, it's Patrick Space Force Station. >> Okay. >> Colonel Brian Chapman. >> Okay. >> He's the he's the new commander.
Got it. Thank you. Okay. If there's not anything else on the manager matters, I think we'll get a rhythm on those. Get them down. They might move a little faster. Obviously, that's not you. That was us giving you feedback. And thank
you, >> Mayor Pro. Tim Kellum, don't want to pass you on any comments. Good. >> Awesome. So now we stare at uh consent agenda items 91 through 9 uh se seven right so we got seven items
under the consent um the approval of the minutes which I think we should have all got those in the revised thank you to our city clerk's office and really it's the every year we do this black service spray for 68 $8,897
chemicals. We got the $323,815 for the US lawn agreement. We've got the culture and leisure service board, the formal appointment that we interviewed earlier. Got the agreement for municipal law enforcement.
Uh the resolution with services with Sheriff Wayne Wi Wayne Ivy in Bvard County Sheriff's Office. Um and as always our fire department those budgets are reflected in what we
what just adopted and then the school resource officer memorandum of understanding between Cocoa Beach and Cape Canaveral for the 2526 school year. So, we can vote all these together. Um,
unless the council do we want to pull any of these items? I don't want to pull. I just want to make a comment and and I support it with this comment is that city manager uh I emailed a question and
when you look at the scope of work in all the properties uh I I would I'd like to look at the next five years how we can slim down the amount of properties that need to be managed with with cutting
grass and and explore or other maybe Florida friendly ground cover, wildflower, different options. So, we're not running around cutting strips over here. And it'll be a phased approach over time. Um, and some of those services, cutting trees and stuff. Look,
that's actually I think a be very reasonable and good deal. But, you know, the small strips of land that we've talked about, can we convert those into something that maybe it just needs chemical spray and doesn't need the mower? So, he's heard me out on that. I
think we might have discussed that in the past, but I would move forward that I did want to note that I hope we can keep that in front of us as we continue because $323,000, right? Be nice to over five years, can
we cut that by a third or in half? So, if we're ready to approve consent, uh, >> I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second. >> Okay. Got a motion by Council Member Willis and a second by Mayor Pro Tim Kellum to approve the consent agenda.
Any further discussion? Making sure I'm not overlooking any cards. Nope. Seeing none, city clerk, >> council member Jackson, >> four, >> mayor prom, >> four, >> mayor Morrison, >> four,
>> and council member Willis, >> four. >> All right, consent agenda items 91 through 97 pass 50. Now we are on item for action 10.1 which is
we have one tonight. It's the weightwater or gosh I can't wastewater and storm water facilities plan completion with me and hunt. Uh the motion is to consider the approval of a proposal for me and Hunt in the amount of $42,24
completion of a wastewater and storm water facilities plan and authorize the city manager to execute the same. Council, any questions for city staff on this one? I got one.
Just need to get to it. My question is this meet and hunt did a facilities plan I want to say was it 2018 and that was on recommended improvements.
um identifying projects to help with storm water really in the center street basin and other areas. This then it referenced we did the 2023. Hold on, I got to jump here. That's item
10.1. Thought I was there. This went off. Um this is a proposal with a scope of services and it says I mean estimated 42,024. It breaks down project management the facility plan.
Um okay and then there's a signature line. So this is the actual agreement that we would execute with them or is this signing a proposal? >> Guess that >> this is the um the proposal um I believe
and then after this is approved the agreement would come along. >> Okay. So tonight, are we being I think tasked to take action on approving signing this proposal and then to go ahead and move forward with allowing the
city manager to execute a contract forthcoming. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. Thank you very much Laura. And that amount it's uh this compensation in the proposal one thing is it is a not to exceed price. So whatever the agreement
is, the expectation is that it would be at 42,000. And I guess just in general, we did the one in 23. >> Mayor, if I could jump in and help you out. >> What's that about? I guess I don't remember.
>> Actually, the fac I was sitting there when when Tim was devising all this or whatever. the um the uh last facility plan was in 2019 and we just missed it cuz see if we were if we were doing this thing let's say we had to do this two
years ago a year ago we wouldn't have to do a facilities plan but it can't go beyond five years so we're over the five years so for us we have to do this otherwise we can't um solidify the SRF loans we're going to go after which we
hopefully will have in January uary and February, which will then fund June's two big jobs down at the uh at the plant. Um so this thing has to be done
otherwise if we don't get the loans, we don't have the funding to do her her uh work. So in answer to your question, 2019 is when it was done and then since we're over the five years now, we had to do it again. I was there the day he took
this phone call, too. So, >> yeah. And I remember Tim sharing that with me. And so, this is like the state >> requiring every five years to access that, which is another item we're going to be taking up here shortly. >> Okay. Got it. And so,
the scope is the same or I think we're expanding the scope a little bit more though than >> Yeah. I don't I don't know. >> We're not redoing the same exact ones, >> right? And I don't know what actually is involved in the whole whole thing. But, um, Tim's got the, you
know, he had the whole package and this is what we need to go through so we can get on to getting approved for the SRF loan. This takes time, too. So, this council is going to approve this tonight. Tim will come back and uh him
and Laura will do what they have to do with this, forward it, whatever. And then in November, we cross our fingers uh that the process is such that the S we're going to get the SRF loans which will be is scheduled
to be would be awarded to us in January or February and soon as we get that money, June does her thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a there's a tight window here, but at least Tim got on in early. We're here, >> right?
>> But it has to be done in this next year. >> Okay. I see. Yeah. And I mean the other approach, don't go through SRF if if legal and go get private loan, but that's that I mean 1%. We're going to get the >> you're not going to get >> No. And we're going to get 1.5 million,
>> right? >> Yep. Okay. So, this is a study every I'm I'm actually I think it's good. I think we're going to learn a lot. I always appreciated the 2018 one. It was very helpful. So, thank you. Any other comments at this time?
>> I think we're I'm clear. Council >> Mayor, just to clarify the contract, this is a task order. The city um has Me and Hunt under a continuing services agreement. >> Okay. Right. >> Because the city followed the CCNA process. So, this is a task order that falls under that contract.
>> Thank you for clarifying. That makes sense. All right. Council, this item for action. Um, >> make a motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by council member Willis and a second by council member Jackson
to approve the item for action 10.1 wastewater and storm water facilities plan completion with me and hut incorporated in the amount of $42,24. So any further discussion? City clerk, please call the role.
Council member Jackson >> four. >> Mayor Prom Kellum >> four. >> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> Council member Willis >> four. >> Item passes 40 10.1. Now moving on to the public hearings items 10.2
10 and 10.3. We have two more. These are non uh guess budget related. Well, they sort of are. Yeah. So uh absolutely are the second reading of the So item 10.2 Two is the second reading in the public
hearing. Ordinance 0425 for the fund balance to retain earnings reserve policy. City Attorney. >> Ordinance number 04-2025, an ordinance of the city council of city, Cape Canaveral, Florida, amending section 2-208 of the city code to modify
the city's general fund reserve balance policy providing for the repeal of prior inconsistent ordinances and resolutions. Incorporation into the code, severability, and an effective date. As you know, the mayor's second and final reading of this ordinance. Also, a public hearing item. It it proposes to
amend the code to reduce the general fund reserve balance from 20% to 16.7%. Mayor, >> thank you very much, city attorney, council. Any questions uh technical or anything like that with the city staff? Otherwise, I'll go to public on this one
and we can come back and discuss anything we need if anybody uh would like to speak. This is a public hearing item. Uh item 10.2 second reading on the as read by our city attorney attorney ordinance
042025. Seeing no one we'll go ahead and close public participation for this item council. The reserve policy was 20%. >> Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir.
>> Just want everybody to be clear that this this is for catastrophic events within the city or at least that's the way we should be treating this fund and not uh don't want to fall into the trap
of thinking of it as a piggy bank that we can raid if something breaks that we could have scheduled and um budgeted for. So we need to try to maintain this for our emergencies.
>> Yeah. I think one of the things I've not not been clear on in the past is when we have used the reserves and why we use the reserves. I think that it may be the policy now at 16.7
but to try and keep a cushion over that and you can almost put away I know this sounds you don't want too much but with the investments and you know I think it can work out in our favor either way uh yes when natural disasters hit we got FEMA but sometimes
we got to wait on FEMA or you don't get what you deserve and That's but what do you do about tomorrow? And I think the 16% on a much larger expenditure is more dollars than 20% on a budget 5 years
ago. So the total cash is larger and I would say our overhead is too high. I think right now and when inflation and all the other things and
so we are feeling it today but we have uh I've always understood it is you could operate your operating cost you would give you a couple months basically to operate without missing
anything. And so, um, it would be my request that if we're going to do this, which we're on the second and final reading, that we do get a better understanding of how the reserves, and I did speak with our city
manager just about when what did we use the reserves for last year or the year before um because we don't really see that. We don't know if we're as you quoted rating anything. We don't and if we are I think
it's maybe it's coming in a format that we're not understanding it but today our reserves will be at 16.7 whatever that dollar amount is I think we'll know that and then just to know that in our information monthly there's a section on
reserves but it just shows the balance and it doesn't show if I understand like where the money if it decreases it'll increase and you got interest in there and I think this is a part of the
evolving process to help because that is a citizen common question. What is our reserves? Well, here I got 7.9 million on the attachment four in the information. >> We can see >> what those funds are, but it's kind of
hard to see what when we needed to move money out of the reserves over. So, mayor. >> Yes, sir. >> Just to interject, it requires council approval to transfer money from the reserves and John can give a brief history of when we last did that. >> Oh, yeah. We we would we would let Yeah,
we would we would have to let let you know uh when we tr if we took money out of reserves and did not replace it in the same year, we need to let you know, but we will let you know when we take money out of reserves. I would notify the city
manager and he would let you know when that happens. We haven't had to take money out of reserves. So, um, that's a good thing. >> Well, you just answered my question. >> We haven't We really haven't had to. I think there might have been one time when I'll just say this. There might have been one time and I don't think you
were mayor then. You may have been on council maybe. Remember this central Remember the central boulevard when they estimated the project to be 1.6, 6, but it was 2.2 because they found out they
messed up on the uh the soil thing. They had to replace all the soil cuz it was all muck or something. I can't remember the exact thing. Something like that. So, it was almost 600k over. >> I think at that time we had to take money out of the reserves. But then
based on the expenditures as we went into the next year and our percentage, we were able to stay at 3.2 million, which happened to be 20%. So, we stayed at the 20%. But I believe that's the only time since I've been finance director. >> I believe that's when we used that money
because the reserves are for catastrophic, but the reserves are also and it says in our code >> capital projects that may go over and the money you don't have the money to complete them or whatever. >> So, that's the two kind of the two >> recurring
>> non-recurring. So that's really it because that's the only time you would use your res your unobligated reserve. So in answer to your question, you will know when we use it. >> That's great. And I do remember that. >> Yeah, >> that overage. And >> that was like five years ago, I think.
>> I think it was I thought it was a couple years ago, but maybe the project was five. Either way, >> yeah, >> it's 16.7 >> which is two will be two months of your is supposed to equate to two months of >> when you do the computation of your
expenditures that you end up with at the your expected end up at the end of the year and uh you look at what you have in reserves when you're approaching that you basically the simple way is you just you know you just divide that and uh you
take that well you take that uh 16.7 times that and that will equate out to how much money you should have in your reserves. And then you know in LA in most cases it seemed like we were around 3.2 million. It changes but I'm just
throwing that out there for discussion. So now we'll be at 16.7. We'll have uh I think we're around we'll be around 3.1 3.2 million based on the expenditures and we'll go from there.
So, I think we're in I think we're in good shape as far as being at the 16.7. >> Um, and we just need to stay with that. >> Um, but >> and it and it grows too. >> It grows change too.
>> If you needed $5,000. >> Yeah. >> Right. But if the interest increased unless you only need >> Yeah. Unless you're pulling it out, you're leaving that unobligated reserve in the investments. So it's getting the depending on the economy 1.5% 3% whatever
>> and then that's measured at the end of the year against the expenditures and the expenditures change. >> Mhm. >> We could be at 23 million this year but 27 million the following year and then 30 million the next year. So, but that's
but that's stuff we have to watch as um you know, not only staff, but council needs to watch that and see where we're at expense-wise when we're deciding, you know, what the millage is going to be and what projects we should do, what
expenditures we should cut. So, it's a whole process. Um, but that's how it basically works. We'll put onethird of it to cryptocurrency and you know some cities are doing that >> accepting. >> I'll do that in the morning.
>> I I'll get on that in the morning. >> I don't. >> Okay. Any other comments on this uh fiscal policy change? >> And I will second that motion. Got a motion by Mayor Pertim Kellum and a second by council member Jackson to
approve ordinance 042025 on the second reading. Any further discussion? Council member Willis, your comments. Are you in support of this? >> Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure that >> just want to caution council.
>> Absolutely. And and agreed. I think we may not even do it that way next year, but for this year, I think it's wise. >> Yep. Yep. >> And I'm certainly glad that's the rate the state has recommended. >> That's the GFOA.
>> Yeah. So, >> Mhm. >> Great. Well, hearing none. City clerk, >> council member Jackson >> four, >> Mayor Prom Kellum >> four, >> Mayor Morrison >> four, >> and council member Willis >> four.
>> Okay. Ordinance 04205 passes 40. We are now moving on to the item 10.3, the second and final public hearing. It's a second reading for ordinance 052025, the state revolving fund program. City attorney. >> Okay. Second and final reading of
ordinance number 05-2025 and ordinance of the city council of the city of Cape Canaveral, Florida relating to the state revolving uh fund program pursuant to section 2.12 sub paragraph 5 of the city charter amending ordinance number 06-209
to increase the maximum total loan amount not to exceed $7 million for purposes of funding certain wastewater and storm water improvement projects in one or more loan applications to be filed with the state of Florida Department of Environmental Protection authorizing the loan agreements,
establishing pledged revenues, designating authorized representatives, providing assurances, providing repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, severability, and an effective date. So, this is proposing final adoption of the ordinance pursuant to city charter. Any um loans approved
by the city must be approved by ordinance. Um and this is second reading. Um, as the agenda item states, um, the city's embarked on, uh, several projects, eight projects to be exact, regarding the SRF loan program.
Additional funding is needed to complete the eighth and final project beyond the original uh, principal uh, authorization of 6.5 million. Mayor, >> thank you, city attorney, council. It's a public hearing item. Before going to the public, are there any questions,
city staff? Seeing none, this is a public hearing item, second reading on ordinance 052025 as read by our city attorney and before us here today. If anyone chooses to speak, please come forward. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close
public participation on the item. council that yeah it's like uh it opens our credit limit right basically or our borrowing power to half a million today and then each individual
loan would come before the council if we need or maybe that's one loan >> it's one well >> the two big projects that you mentioned with June what are those >> the two >> the two big projects. >> Oh. Um, uh, what's the name of those? Uh, June
the >> is that what these funds are going to be used? >> No, this this No, this is that's the 1.5 million. You're doing the facilities plan. You just did the the meeting hunt. >> That's going to get us the other that's going to be a different SRF loan of 1.5 million.
>> This is like the attorney said to have enough money to complete um uh what is it, Anthony? the uh the remaining >> pending >> wastewater storm water things that uh
that are already in motion. >> Yeah, I think it's I believe it's SRF5058. I guess how will we know about this is currently we're at a certain
limit of wastewater funds obviously it's provided in our debt >> right >> our SRF loan debt balance today this would >> I mean >> we're not even this is a lot of money well it's a >> no this is >> a half a million dollars
>> increase >> to that extra funds to finish out on those original loans that basically We didn't cover the cost or for whatever reason, so need to borrow a little bit more. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Will we see those amendments when they come forward?
>> Uh yeah. Um yes, you'll see that. And um also Tim will be briefing council on uh we'll through the city manager, we'll be briefing council on this. And um uh but you'll yes, you'll see those amendments. And where you'll also see it too is when
I give you those debt reports. I think I may or I think I had given you a debt report >> recently and it'll be listed on there when it's updated and you'll see exactly how much is owed on the balance on each SRF loan. And this one will appear there
too. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you, council. question. >> Any questions? >> Let's go. We're ready. >> I'll second the motion.
>> Got a motion by Mayor Perim Kellum and a second by Council Member Jackson to adopt ordinance '052025 on the second final reading. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk,
>> did you call for the public to >> I think I did. >> You did. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Yes, I did. If anyone intends to speak, please raise your hand just to be sure on this item. Seeing none. Thank you. >> Thank you. Sorry. Um, council member Jackson for Mayor Prom Kellum
>> Mayor Morrison >> four. >> And council member Willis >> four. >> Okay. Okay. Ordinance 052025 passes 40 which concludes our uh public hearings for the day. Ending those we are now on
to item 11 which consists of two discussion items 11.1 the discuss the dissolute dissolution and consolidation options and then we've got legislative priorities next. Um give me a second. I want to get to this
item so I'm following along. We are 11.1 and I have it in front here. This is um council member K. Jackson. I believe the floor is yours as submitted this item.
>> Yes. Thank Thank you, Mayor. Um, I was I've been discussing with our city attorney for some time some of the overlap that we have within our billing processes. And so, um, city attorney,
would you like to go through this agenda item for me? >> Um, sure. >> Or I can read it, whichever you like. >> Well, I can certainly go over it, um, if you would like. Um, feel free to add,
you know, my conversations um with Councilwoman Jackson and others on the council regarding the city's development project uh process. Um, the process is just very fragmented. Okay. So, it it it
results in land develop especially large land development projects um being punted off to four different boards to try to get fragmented approvals. none of the boards are really looking at it holistically. So I mean that that is has
been a very uh difficult challenge not only for applicants but for the staff and I think has impacted um complete decision making or it's preventing complete decision making by the boards. You know, in addition, as as this
council knows, um the the council has delegated um certain responsibilities for development permits to some of the other boards like the board of adjustment. And um the board of adjustment is is is a is a board that's
not um strictly required by by Florida law anymore. Um hasn't been since home rule uh powers act was enacted in the in the early 70s. Um, so there there's an there's a there's there's um an issue
there perhaps that um like other cities um question whether or not you need a board of adjustment. Um the board of adjustment has limited authority regarding special exceptions, variances um prim primarily and administrative
appeals. Um where that becomes a very fragmented and and and um situation is when they're considering um you know variances that may be part of a of an overall site plan that's
reviewed by another board and rather than the the other board um considering the totality of of the request um just pieces are being sent for variance. its approval to the board of adjustment. And
you know, on the other hand, a planning and zoning board's reviewing a site plan and it makes it difficult to sequence approvals. It makes it difficult um you know for for the boards again to look at it holistically. So, the thought process
was is is is and I don't want to put words in your in your mouth, Councilwoman Jackson, but is should should the city consider um abolishing the board of adjustments and um you know, assigning that um authority to an
um another board like the planning and zoning board or alternatively, does the council want to somehow be involved in the development review process um and and handle approvals? um for example site plans and in some other
cities like it's very common for a developer on a on a big project um they would line up all the necessary approvals in con you know with the site plan of course because they're doing all the engineering to the extent that there are variances then they make those
variance requests in conjunction with the site plan and so you the board that has the final decision- making on the site plan will look at it holistically and they have a better sense of whether
or not a variant should be granted or um adjustments should be made to the project. So a variance is not even necessary. It's kind of hard to do that on those big projects in a fragmented approach when only one board's seeing
this little piece of a project and then the other board's supposed to be looking at the whole project in totality of the whole project. And then it gets even more complicated when you know the project that's being proposed also needs a special exception on whether or not the use should be
allowed in the first place. So, you got one board looking at a site plan and is the use going to be allowed or then you or you submit the special exception for the use approval to the board of adjustment and had they known what the
site plan was going to be perhaps uh they would have never never approved the the use right because you don't have the full picture so I said probably more than what's not in the agenda but based on my my experience experiences in
>> right and we've had we've had multiple conversations over multiple months on this uh the city attorney and I and also I had concerns with the fact that you know we're 90% built out
and so truly and we're looking at our infrastructure and so we truly have to make sure that we know as a council what we've got going on and we approve
those things as well. But it is a very disjointed process. >> Yeah. >> That we've seen I've seen in a year and a half since I've been doing this. Um and it's made I think it's caused some frustration for some of our developers
as well as um it it makes it very difficult I'm sure for staff as well. So, um, that was a recommendation that I wanted to bring to council to discuss if this is the right time, um, seeing that
we're 90% built out, um, to possibly look at streamlining this process. >> Thank you. >> Anyone has any and thank you, city attorney You're welcome. One one other board too
I didn't mention is the community appearance board. And then somehow over the years, you know, they delegate the council delegated the height exception, the fivestory height exception to the community appearance board. And the poor community appearance board is wrestling
with, well, should we approve the height of a project where they don't even have an idea whether the site plan is ever going to be approved? And you know when you go and you increase you know floor area of a of a building go up on height
that means has more impact on land. And how do you determine whether or not you know the height is suitable for a project? perhaps maybe the site is too small when you actually start getting into the site planning and then you know the the developers have been pushing um
the staff well let's go for our our appearance community appearance board first to get the height and sometimes that those applications would be a process first. So then they're getting the developers are getting their height approval
and their aesthetics, but the site plan hasn't even gone through the review process and you know now they're they got a six-story building that they can design. So my view the height issue needs to be
consolidated with the site plan process because they go handinand glove in my opinion. I agree with that. It needs to be with the site plan. Definitely. >> Yeah. You have the efficiency that we heard, but also the the accountability
like you were saying is that you know who approved that. You know, we as a council go that was a board. >> Mhm. >> And but I don't think we want to be in that to point the finger and and to say that. Now, as far as um this
the discussion, I think it's board of adjustment, which is we're our city attorney brought up CAB. Um well, it's mentioned in here, the fragmented process between board of adjustment, P&Z, CAB, and we just dealt
with that. That's example obviously and uh I get it. So, anything we can do to streamline and I think the residents especially on these big decisions accountability can follow on the council
and uh I think it's worthy of taking the next steps um and whatever that process would be obviously changing the code um two readings ordinance is that how It would go >> Yeah, it would go to the planning and
zoning board for a review and recommendation to the council and it would be an ordinance. So, it would be two readings and all we need is if the council just gives a direction to streamline the process. I mean, we would um you know, I think that would result
in in the process being uh less restrictive, less burdensome on on staff. I think the same would be for the developers as well. less it'd be less restrictive, less burdensome. Um and we
would um we could move forward with examining all the code provisions and then um unfragmenting this and streamlining the process. >> And the one other I mean I guess
would it be as simple as looking at how many times these boards have met and then adding that to our agenda and schedule? I mean I guess How would >> would these things come on a regular city council meeting now?
>> We've approved site plans for other things since I've been on. So, I would see that we would it seems to me like we should be able to just add whatever that is onto our regular agenda. But, city attorney, you were about to answer and I
>> Yeah. No, that's exactly what would happen. and they would end up on a regular uh city council took this this authority back um because all the authority is vested in the council for the most part. Um it would be placed on um a city council agenda. You would have land development
application and and um and you and you'd consider approving it. um you know if the agenda's got um too unwieldy of course the council has the first first Tuesday too right of the month if if if
necessary right to to you know take on a you know maybe a a project that might result in a long public hearing but like city of Coco and my other city clients they manage the land development permits at the same time they're dealing with
all the stuff that you you've been dealing with on your agenda. >> They just handle that handle it as a matter of course. >> That's great. Thank you, Council Member Willis. >> Well, I I just think it's um
seems that uh our residents would be okay with it because we're the ones that are elected and if they don't like it, they they know how to deal with it. whereas boards
are appointed. Um the the drawback to that is we're removing an opportunity for our residents to participate on boards. Um but I certainly can see the uh advantages to streamlining the
process. I think that uh speaks far more for our residents and uh anyone wanting to build or develop or redevelop. So, I mean, I'm certainly okay with
exploring ways that we can streamline. I think board of adjustment out of all these mentioned is the if and I've been one got elected on talking about increasing our boards but never was it this and even if this board has healthy
functions ones that we've discussed I think it makes total sense I think P&Z would have you asked about whether P&Z makes decisions absorbs the work of the board of
adjustment. Um, PNZ as citizen board, could they re would they still have recommending decisions that would normally go to board of adjustment or that? Well, no, I don't think that's how it works, right?
>> Yeah. you know my my thought well the PNZ land planning agency will continue to have advisory um role in in the land development permit process >> um you know streamlining it if it comes to the city council the recommendations
would just come to the city council >> okay >> rather than having to give some recommendations to the board of adjustments some to the city council some to staff the code is fragmented in that way um you We we streamline and the
and the PNZ board is consists of um >> I think we have a a 10 member planning and zoning board. >> No, >> is it 10? >> Seven. >> I think it's seven alternates. Oh, yeah. Two. >> Yeah, there was somewhere close to close to that.
>> Three, >> you know, may maybe just shy of 10. >> Okay. >> So, I mean, it's a very active um citizen board. Historically, >> I would still like to see the height though move away from the cab board,
the community appearance board too. >> So, we've got talking about abolishing or dissolving whatever the right terminology, the board of adjustment or whatever gives the effect of that maybe because we didn't abolish the code enforcement board, right? But it just
doesn't we I think strategically you kept it there. Yeah, we kept it there, but it all their duties went to the special magistrate. >> And so if we're asking I'm very interested in that board of adjustment, the council absorbing. Now when we talk about PNZ
roles such as approving site plans whether or not we become a part of that or absorbing the I mean PNZ would make a recommendation on a site plan as oppo opposed to just outright approving it is
the way I interpret that and then CAB could make a recommendation on height even though that might have other issues as you explain well like why in the order is that where we're starting starting. So, I'm open to all of it. And I think
>> Well, Mr. Mayor, I I tend to agree with Council Member Jackson that that height to me should be part of the PNZ look and what they're looking at because height
impacts everything else, the whole site plan, because if you're going too high, you know, are you going to have enough parking? Are you going to have enough this, that, whatever. I I think some of these rules need to be looked at so it
becomes more holistic >> and maybe maybe we readjust what community appearance board deals with. To me, not to minimize the community community appearance board, but you know, I would be more concerned about what is the landscaping going to look
like there versus the height of the building. height of the building is more structural and key to the land use to me. So >> that's great.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Kell any >> No, I I agree with what we're all saying. um the community appearance board um I think should not have a say in the height that
that that's something um you know that needs to come to council. I and I like the idea of um the PNZ board making recommendations. Um, you know, we tal and this is just something I was thinking about about the
C uh community appearance board back when I first got on council a while back now. Um, you know, the city council wanted to come up with a theme for buildings, you know, what are we going to go? Are we going to go whatever?
>> Gothic. >> Goth. >> Whatever. >> Didn't get what I wanted. Uh anyway, um but then when it went when it went to the community appearance board, they weren't
on the same page as the council was. >> So then we had all mix match >> things again. >> Yeah. So um you know for them to do recommendations but I think the ultimate authority for this should come back to
the council because we are the elected officials and you know it we should have the final say. So I'm all for streamlining the process, not making it so hard for developers to go to this
board, that board, this board. Um, so whatever we have to do to get there and taking the authorization away from the board of adjustments, >> I think we definitely agree on that. Yes, council member Willis. Thank you, Mayor.
>> Is is there any way we can regulate which boards a project such as this might go to and what order? I mean, community appearance board being able to take it to the community appearance board to get the height set seems
like the whole PNZ should have approved the project or whatever or recommended the project first and in that said, well, you know, you can't go above this and if community appearance board has
any input on the height, but they're they're looking at appearance, not structure, in my opinion. >> Okay. >> Well, I get the idea. I mean, the economic overlay district, the aesthetic review, it talks about appointing people to the community appearance board who
has architectural, artistic. I mean, the it's one of the few boards with that aesthetic skills that they must maintain or we try to find. And so to go you're going to cover 10 ft more of the skyline has an
aesthetic component but agreed on the logic of you know what comes first and I think fitting into that aesthetic of the economic overlay district that this is an economic overlay district building that the city tried to lead by example with Mediterranean and then shortly the
Mosh building and then we went kind of modern on the old city hall. Then the other Mosh building went modern and it was like what's going on here and he actually made a joke about that in the meeting and it was funny. But yes, the roles of community appearance for
recommending using that expertise uh within the economic overlay district and any other functions. I think no matter what if height if height needs to go to them first at most we should say it's a
recommendation not an approval right I mean at minimum take away the not take away but absorb the approval making decision on us >> because yes they are members of the community appointed but those are major
decisions that a big hotel brand or a big developer can go in and we know our neighbors on that board, they're not in the public and in in the the risk and the exposure, but I think I don't want to lose their expertise.
Same with PNZ, but I'm willing to I think lean on PNZ as much as possible, but be board of adjustment. I want to We're talking about dissolving that specific one, not the other twos. We're talking about the review process.
>> Yes. I think our city attorney could come forward with some we'd have to go through this in two meetings and the best path he thinks uh and we could maybe vote it all together or separate however it
needs to be done but um and I don't want to rush but I guess what was your thought on timeline council member Jackson and >> well no I I agree I think the lovely thing about our city attorneys these He's got other examples. He's not he's
not green. So, he knows how other cities are doing it. And I think that with the like I said, the amount of, you know, available space to develop, we should get it done as quickly as possible. And,
you know, that way we don't have this fragmented process on the last developable lots that we have and that kind of thing. So, I I think if if um if you could draft something up for us on
how to what changes need to be made um city attorney and then get it to us in a >> you all I just need is some direction and you know we'll have you know I I have ideas and I could draw up an
ordinance and get it reviewed by the planning and zoning board and relative short order, frankly. >> And I I agree with everyone that has spoken that I think the height definitely needs to be with PNZ. Um, and
that the any type of adjustment decisions needs to be with council. So, those are two things. And anything else that you can think of knowing the process the way that you do, city attorney, that might improve that
process for people trying to build and for our city as well. You know, our staff, I'm happy to see that in there, too. >> And just managing a whole another board, seven other people. They can't you can't serve on two the same boards, I think,
in our city, right? And >> I think that alone is going to help our community economic development department and organizing it and Renee and everyone. >> Um, Mr. Mayor, >> you need direction. City attorney. Yes, council member Willis.
>> Do we have public comment? >> This is discussion item. >> I didn't I think I think we had a card. >> We have a card. Yes. Thank you. Uh let's you let's do that now if you council before we and we can give direction to our city
>> attorney as uh Dr. Roberts is coming up here on this item. City attorney, you were looking for some direction. Yep. I think if we agreed to abolish the board of adjustment, whatever those duties,
um I would recommend any major decisions or any major roadblocks for efficiency shifted to the council without losing at least recommending power and advantages of P&Z.
>> Got it. >> And then the other ones we can I think figure. >> Okay. >> Dr. Roberts, >> one of the things that's continues to come to mind and it's the federal best practice and that's process mapping. Every time I hear the council struggle
with this, it, you know, you're talking about the process, the streamlining the processes, seeing the overlap of the processes, who are the decision makers at any given point in time about whatever the process is. So I highly recommend that you all consider within
the staff and this gets back as a city manager to introduce process mapping for almost anything the city does businesswise you will find yourselves it will clarify things for you as a council the staff and the community. If we understand the
process flows for each of our core processes and you all are talking about very significant processes of decision making. Um, as you all noted, the community appearance board in years past only dealt with things like colors, compatibility with neighbors,
>> and the facade. >> Height restriction, as you all probably know, was a referendum that our residents voted on to be 45 ft and no more. Somehow, we've gotten way away from that. The original evolution from
height restriction came because of air conditioning and we said we needed 60 ft. Ever since then, I don't know where it started, but historically, I'd be curious to see how we ever went away from the referendum and then the, you
know, the exception. And I know Anony's looking at me, he probably knows history of this, but I'm just mentioning the height restriction that to me, just leaving that to a board to recommend. To me, we should have a agreed upon restriction that stays firm. Although,
as you know, K's noted, I we've given away the city's opportunities in my opinion. But I just want to I just historically would love to see the lessons learned on the hotels. That's the one thing I hear is community input. And I mentioned this to you before from
returning residents from their second homes. They just cannot believe the hotels are here. I'd be just curious to see how did they get approved. This gets to your point about planning and zoning making decisions. They've got 10 members on PNC now that again has evolved and
increased, you know, since council's passed and they having more power than council. I don't know how council delegated that, but it sounds to me like not talking to this council, but our council, but um returning that authority and power to council I think is so
important to really once these boards and they have good intent. They've got grates of residents as we know participation, but those key decisions need to be coming right back up to council unless you all delegate it in some fashion to the city manager
wherever, but that should be clear in the process flow in my opinion. So, I'm just mentioning this historically. Um, you know, personally, I really think, and this is not for staff, maybe it's for us as residents to do a review of
the hotels and how they came to be. That that is truly something I cannot answer it when a resident ask us that. Maybe you all can, but um, proliferation is very hard to describe. Thank goodness. as has as happened staff brought up the
B road of adjustment on their own good conscience happening and I just wanted to commend you all for for that particular action and what you're considering today but process mapping process flow three federal departments right now are introducing that as a means of dealing with doze reductions
because they know they've got to have get a better handle on their business if I could just mention that. Thank you. >> Thank you Dr. Roberts. appreciate you uh hanging around to get to this item and give us your feedback. The discussion item council member Jackson introduced
our city attorney helped. I think we want to uh questioning the entire function of the board of adjustment. any roles and responsibilities can be absorbed by PNZ and the same goes with
uh community appearance board but more specifically any decisions that P&Z we want to look at taking away decision making power and moving it to the council on height site plan and uh the
the community appearance board might recommend and around color and things, but really look at what we need there. I'm clear. Um, as I understand, but city attorney, what do you uh need? I guess anything more spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe
spe spe spe spe specific? >> No, I think I mean I think that's it. >> Okay. >> I mean just uh you know, let me go back work with the manager and the staff and and um try to streamline the process so you can actually map it out. instead of having overlap.
>> That was good. >> I think that is great. And you know the one of the notes you said Dr. about bringing the beautifification board back you know community appearance maybe they can some of those roles in response are some of the things that they used to do
on beautifification board can fit more within that. Um so just an idea that came into mind from your last email. Either way, we appreciate those boards and I think this discussion item was excellent. And Council Member Jackson
and with you, any final comments or want to make a motion? Um, I would like to make a motion that we uh streamline these boards, dissolve the um adjustment board, and change the height restriction
to go into a recommendation by PNC to be approved by council. Did I miss anything, city attorney? >> No, I I think that's the gist of it. I mean, we'll streamline. You mentioned streamline. So that I think that covers
>> everything else. >> So I'll second it. >> Is this something we're voting on? >> If we're directing I think the motion would be that the action that was stated by council member Jackson if we wanted to direct the city attorney to move
forward. If that's not needed, we don't need to do that. I'm not trying to complicate it. If you have consensus, we can withdraw the motion. city attorney. >> As long as the record reflects that this is the will of the council. >> Yes. Then it shall be done.
>> Yeah. And we're not taking any binding. I mean, yeah, we're still going to have to vote on it. >> Are we Do I need to remove my motion? >> Yes. I'm thinking the direction to the city manager would have been the things you stated. We direct the city uh
manager or city attorney, whoever is most appropriate, to draft uh ordinance. But he's clear on that. I think it would be prudent to withdraw if you want to. >> I will withdraw my motion.
>> Okay. So, we all have uh consensus here on the items for the city attorney. Mhm. Okay. I believe we're clear on those. Thank you. Uh the next item we are at
9:48 p.m. Just keeping track which uh is the final item 11.2 which is discuss legislative priorities. Uh discussion on the identification of legislative priorities for the submission of the League of Cities. Council member Willis, I believe
you submitted this. I need to run quickly to uh the restroom and if we all choose we can but I will be back in a couple of minutes if we want. I don't want to slow down due time but >> um >> well I'll I'll
>> if you want to >> start talking I don't want to hold us up or I can come right back. >> Okay, >> if we all want to take a two minute but I know it's late so I wanted to try and keep it going. Thank you. Well, for this legislative session, the Space
Coast League of Cities is asking all the municipality members to submit their legislative priorities for their municipality. Um, and as the city council's representative for the League of Cities,
I need to come back to them with our list. And there's two issues with that. One, I need to provide what we want. I need to understand what our council considers legislative priorities. And
two, I am now the chairman of the advocacy committee for the Space Coast League of Cities. So, I don't want to come back and advocate and not have anything from my own city. So, um, on top of that, Space Coast League
of Cities will be paying for me to travel to Tallahassee and advocate >> for Bvard County and Cape Canaveral. So, anything we need from the legislature.
I'll be going to Tallahassee a number of times. I mean the existing things are like Senate Bill 180 that needs to be reformed. It is preempting preempting our ability and basically
a lot of the legislation that has come down is unfunded mandates. I mean there's going to need to be some live local act reform. Uh that that's that's going to be an attempt to
um by one senator in particular who wants to um enforce that more rigidly. Um we also are going to have t property tax reform.
We need to know what we want. I was attended a legislative breakfast this morning and the consensus of our Bvard County legislatores legislative um members is that they're very much
wanting to do away with homesteaded property taxes. So if you have a homesteaded property, you don't pay property tax. Now that that works out fairly well for Cape Canaveral because we have what 20%
homesteaded properties >> lowest. Yeah. >> Uh but other municipalities are different. But one of the questions I asked the legislators was what next? I mean, if we do do away with that, what are you going
to put in our toolbox to help us be physically able to fulfill our obligations? So, there's other things that we can look at. um shoreline, coastal
resiliency, transportation issues, tourism, economic development, public safety, emergency management, anything dealing with home rule, and most definitely insurance reform. I spoke with uh
a legislator this morning who is a insurance salesman in his day job and he's very much interested in reforming our homeowners insurance. So I let him know that we have a lot of condominiums
and HOAs that are really being negatively impacted by insurance plus SERS regulations and anything that we can do to assist communities that are doing the right
thing versus what you've seen in South Florida where legislation was enacted that was basically a one-sizefits-all type approach. And really our our area we have height
restrictions. We don't we shouldn't be worrying about 20s story condominium complexes. And plus we do not have the aged condominium complexes or highrises that
South Florida does. So, what I'm asking council is what what would you want to put as our priority so that I can go back to the League of Cities
and submit these which will then turn around and come back to me for the entire county. if you have anything. >> So the the looking at the Thank you. I think I got
what you're um you've suggested five here in addition to the three that the League of Cities is already working on. City 180 live local property tax reform. And by the way, I heard you hear in the monitors playing in the room, so I didn't
completely miss it at all, but thank you. And then these other five listed are ideas. If this council was to uh designate, you know, what the priorities are, you are going to submit them to the Florida League of Cities.
>> Well, they'll go to the Space Coast League of Cities. We'll compile those within the Space Coast League of Cities and then I'll be directed to submit those to the Florida League of Cities.
I don't know if you heard, but I am now the chairman of the uh Space Coast League of Cities Advocacy Committee. >> Okay, that's great. Congratulations. >> And I think you're on uh one of the Florida League appointed uh policy
boards. I think last year >> I did u >> the utilities two or three years ago >> and this year I'm on the I think the one you were on last year, intergovernmental relations. But uh at the that's at the
Florida League of Cities level and uh >> I'm on the I'm on the code. >> Yeah. To rotate. That's great. >> I think Okay. So, Space Coast League of Cities goes to the Florida League of Cities. But I guess I'm confused on what
is being submitted to the League of Cities. Is it what the city of Cape Canaveral wants? >> No. I'll advocate for what Cape Canaveral wants to be included into this list because I'll be making
a large portion of the decision on on what we're going to be submitting >> what the Space Coast League of Cities is going to be submitting on behalf of the Space Coast League of Cities. >> Right. >> So, do the Space Coast League of Cities
initiatives align with us? We won't know until the end, but we could establish which ones are Cape Canaveral focused and which ones are not. Okay. >> And then >> we're going to put a tally mark on property tax. I mean, we're going to say that or in my opinion
>> that that is a major issue for us. This t property tax reform. Now I think in my opinion I think we should be focusing on anything that helps us with environmental issues that we have flooding
uh resiliency. Yeah. But that again I'm I'm looking for board the council's uh desires. >> Thank you. So here's my thought on this.
We've got the Bvard delegation coming up. That deadline's approaching quickly, if not any day now. >> It's Friday. >> Yeah. This the end of this week >> for us to vote in here first. Any
priorities I think needs to be done in a resolution. We should not speak on the city of Cape Canaveral without a resolution just like A1A improvements was done in a resolution. So my thought is first,
thank you for putting this on. This council majority should establish by resolution what those priorities are. But I am concerned that the Space Coast League of Cities or the Florida League of Cities due to that aggregate is that
three issues is good for Cape Canaveral, but there's efforts going into two other issues that is maybe not good for Cape Canaveral. We won't know that without I think a resolution. And I can tell you right now, you and I are probably not on the same page with property taxes. And
so I don't know what is being advocated to sounds like Commissioner or Representative Hodgers's insurance. >> Yes. >> Representative Soy. Um I'm hearing about meetings with the FAA. And I really think it's important that this
discussion is step one. But we have our charter, right? And our charter section 203A. Section 104 says that the mayor represents the city and intergovernmental relations and is recognized as head of the city for those
purposes. I want all the council to be involved. I can't stop any council member from doing that. But when we say we the city of Cape Canaveral, I would not do that without a resolution. But I think in the past it
has been happening and I don't think that's how we're going to be able to work together as a team. I had no idea about an appropriation that happened last year and not a word was mentioned
in any of these meetings after the December meeting that the recording did not ever come through. We don't have the end of reports at this time right here and we need an extension. >> I'll make a motion that we extend to cover this agenda item.
>> I'll second. How long in discussion >> to cover it? >> 20 minutes. >> Okay. I got a motion to uh extend for 20 minutes by council member Willis, second by >> not council member Jackson.
>> Council member Jackson, seconded by Mayor Pro Tim Kellum. Any further discussion? >> City clerk. Council member Jackson, >> four. Mayor Prom Kellum, >> four. >> Mayor Morrison, >> four. >> Council member Willis, >> four.
>> So that that just didn't make sense to me. I love the money. I shared it. That the first time I learned about that was on a Facebook post. Here we are in a budget talking about money. And the pro I don't understand how that
happened that way and why. if you your willingness to help would be very much appreciated because as we're looking here to go it sounds like you're going off as the role in the Space Coast League of Cities is to seek out I think
a a resolution is the right way to do that. That's good. But that makes sense. And but to go and advocate for the city of Cape Canaveral in Tallahassee,
we really need resolutions or clear standing from the council. I wouldn't even do that. And so I don't understand what happened. >> No, be willing to explain. >> All right. In January, I had brought in reports that I had met
with >> department heads and we were going after appropriations, grants, whatever they needed and I was willing to help them. >> Mhm. >> And I let everybody know that that was going to happen. Appropriations, of
course, this was January. >> Appropriations had to be submitted in the second week of February. >> Mhm. there was no time to have another meeting, so I just helped.
Now, if that >> was not acceptable, I'm I'm sorry, but uh >> I ju No, thank you for explaining. I don't think it's a matter of acceptable. I just don't see how I don't think it aligns with our charter and our code.
further uh you know the you got the city the mayor's role and I am one to say hey if you love space go and obviously our city manager is the chief administrative head of this organization but that's my next point is that the
city manager is the administrative head and is responsible for the preparation and the submission of all required forms and materials appropriations grants including APR testation forms all of those. And then our city attorney has a
role obviously reviewing for legal sufficiency, prepares and improves instruments, coordinates with the council on the views for the state and federal. And then we have our city clerk who notices the agenda items, minutes, journal, maintains and handles all these
documents that we're talking about. And I don't think any of them were involved in that process, including myself. So the fact and this was a former this is January. We were talking about some hot stuff in January. January was the
meeting that I don't think we want to go back to. But in that time of stress and and and focusing here on these issues, I've always wanted to be out, but I could not with a conscience turn my back
on the pressing issues here and go advocate for Tallahassee. And so I think just a matter of notice that that third week of February we didn't hear anything. March we get into strategic planning and stuff I
think and we and through the whole CIP and the budget and the first time is a press release like in a very marketing communications format timely and the credit was rightly given to those who
were involved but I didn't feel like that was we Cape Canaveral I felt like that was those people who worked hard and I'm not discrediting that but when I read the code, when I read the charter, when I look at how other cities, those attestation forms have big black bold
letters right up front with white font to make it glaringly obvious, those forms should not be submitted by me or anyone on this council. I think legally, our city attorney can correct me if I'm wrong. It says and it gives a definition
of who. So, in the hurry of that, I get what you're saying, but at that point when it read in bold letter, and I've got the attestation forms that you can see. I mean, those are submitted and I think that that was hasty and it and I I
don't think our city attorney was involved in that. I read the the reasoning and the justification. I don't even agree with some of the reasoning that we were stating. And I know that one of them was signed,
but the other one was denied. Perhaps we would have been able to get the other one. But the whole first one, I think, thank you. I I I believe you did it with a good heart, but we're trying to turn a new chapter, one team, one town. That
should be our city manager. And at the time, it should have been our interim city manager. But leading up to that, the communications with the Army Corps of Engineer for with the studying letters are being sent to an intergovernmental relation and no one on
this council to get those studies to justify the funding that proved that the the funds were needed for the shoreline out of the wastewater. Our former city manager was sending that out and the council had no idea. And I
think I can see I know the January comments that you made, they were very vague. Didn't specify that we were pursuing any funds. And I don't know I'm willing to to move forward. And I think
um we need to resubmit those. Those are not legally submitted. And so I'm not going to do anything. I've got an excellent relationship with Representative Soy who obviously sponsored that bill. He thought I knew about it and I didn't.
And I said, "Tyler, we we want this, but we I said I didn't understand exactly how it was. It was a busy time. It was stressful." And he's basically Representative Soy is here to help us. And I think he has nothing but uh
support for us. But it really made us look in a bad light. And that next morning I was with Senator Ashley Moody and the entire uh out of the spaceport program. She was given a press release. It was a lastm minute invitation and
everyone's coming up to me talking about this money and I'm the mayor of the city and I don't have a clue and how would I ever have a clue if I wouldn't have went on Facebook. So I didn't like that. I don't think that represents our values of who
we are. our city manager, the mayor, city attorney, and city clerk all have roles on grants that are being submitted. So, what I did was I took the items that you presented and I used some internet. I have no authority to draft
any resolutions. That's our city attorney. But I'll submit this to the council. These are some of the things that would not only give us a resolution to address the priorities as you're seeking council member Willis, but it
will also define uh the roles and the responsibilities on how appropriation and grant submissions at all levels of government should be done. And then the third thing, we need to formalize intergovernmental communications and
meetings. And I don't want to slow down anything that you want to do, Council Member Willis or you, Council Member Jackson or you, Mayor Pro Tim. I want to go Tan and we all conquer, but we're talking together and we're going to get way more
done by all of us working where we're passionate where we want to be. That is all I had to say. Thank you for putting this on. Thank you for paying attention to the deadlines. I did not have a good feeling about I think why
that was happening as over 10 million or 8 to9 million dollars of money this council I mean those were formally legally submitted signed attested approved debated through committees and it wasn't until the governor signs it
that well everybody finds out about it at that time so yeah I'll start looking at appropriation requests online but I shouldn't have to do that wondering if my city's is submitting the appropriation. Thank you. That's all I have for now. I can submit this on the
record, but it's basically taking the items to give you some feedback. Items one and two I have full alignment on uh with the ones that you put uh down, council member Willis, I think down at the bottom, the ones to consider. So,
shoreline, absolutely. Transportation and mobility, yes, that's A1A. We already have a resolution for that, but I think maybe that can get incorporated into something more formal. Um, the other three, three and four, I I I sort Absolutely. Uh, sorry, four. I think
they're all really really important and like you've said, you've been in doing this and you're now chairing the advocacy group. We know that you go in, you you can't have too many and there's some that say just go in with one. You know, I've heard that. So I think Senate
reef bill live local the property tax is the one that the city the league of cities is sending out toolkits with Cape Canaveral to help us and gosh they're good at what they do but I I and I sat
in the meetings it's a little they say things like city taxes Cape Canaveral city taxes or most cities, 86% of cities or whatever the percentage was decreased
taxes over the past five years. And y'all know what I'm going to say to that, but it mentions nothing about roll back rate. >> So those tool kits are designed for the resident go, well, our cities are decreasing every year. Yeah, property taxes are going up 8 10%. And you dang
right we're decreasing it, but not below the roll back rate. So it hits at what we've battled here to try and improve with but financial transparency is to talk about the roll back rate and the whole league of cities toolkit which I don't know where that came from. It is
impressive but I don't agree with all those points. I want to see cities reduce the reliance and I think I read where you say well yeah but what are we going to replace it with? Um, I think we just have to we got to figure that out
and we can and we will. I know I've talked a lot. There's a lot of this issue's been kind of lingering for a while and I didn't know the best way to to approach it, but now you're asking for direction and I think if time is short, I'm willing to have a quick uh
meeting or if there's a way that we can get a resolution done in the time that we need it, great. Um and I think this proposed draft uh again appropriation legislative priorities
could be in the resolution. Appropriation and grant request procedures need to be established. We learned in manager matters that one's already been approved. We didn't know anything. And then three intergovernmental representation. If I can't do it by charter, mayor pro Tim
Kellum is chartered do it. Or if the council wants to take that and shift it, we can. But if we start with the charter and the code, those things could not have ever happened and they should not have ever happened that way. So um I can
meet again, but that's all I have and I'll submit all this on the record. What I would like to have is that resolution if we can put it together.
>> Are you council member? Are you referring to a resolution on on for the Space Coast League of Cities? >> Resolution by this council. >> Yeah. To submit to the Space Coast League of Cities of legislative priorities. Does it have to be in the form of a
resolution? No, it doesn't. Right. Because Koko >> city manager usually sits submits like the list of legislative priorities and then the council approves it. It doesn't have to be in the form of a a resolution. It's just that the council
ordinarily just, you know, will will vote on what the legislative priorities are, right? So, it doesn't have to be a resolution. It could be a list. But, you know, the you my my may not require it, but I'm saying if we're going to the
state of Florida. >> Yeah. No, that's that could be different, right? Um, state of Florida tends to ask for resolutions for all sorts of things, right? Um, but in terms of establishing legislative pri priorities, you know, that belong for
the city that belongs to the council, right, as a governing body. So, how you make that determination? I would recommend that it at least be in writing and in in the form of at least a list and in some cases maybe a resolution might be needed. But you all need to be
uh at least three of you need to be on the same page on what those priorities are and you know to the extent that you can't agree on something then maybe priorities for others but not the city of Cape Canaveral. Right. Well, what is what is needed by October
1st is the list of our priorities. Now, we have until I think the 19th of October >> before those get submitted formally. >> So, we could >> Space Coast. >> Yes. >> To the state. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, um perhaps a list um agreed upon this evening by the council and something that can be drawn up officially in the form of a document and maybe presented to the mayor for signature at some point. Doesn't need to happen during a council meeting.
Signature, right? As long as it's approved here. >> Yeah. If if the council approved it. >> Yeah. I don't But yeah, >> sure. >> Yeah. I think >> would that suffice. If we just need to put together tonight, decide on the the issues, that's great.
My thought was it'd be great to have just have a resolution. You can bring that to League of Cities. You could bring it to the state of Florida. We could all walk around with our resolutions and advocate uh for what we believe. But yes, for the sake of time, those this Friday is the first deadline
that I think I'm heard for the we have the Bvard delegation >> October 1st. Yes. We have two. >> Wait, October 1st. So, what's this Friday? I don't I need to see a calendar. Uh,
>> this Friday is what? The 19th. >> 19th. Yep. To re >> I think the 19th was the deadline to get on the Bvard delegation. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, October 1st, we're not going to meet again.
But we just have to have the list. We could have a a resolution. >> Yeah. >> At the next council. >> Okay. U Well, I don't know. I I think it's uh
I'm fine with items. I mean, >> what what do you want in property tax reform? I mean, we we're going to get differing views from the different municipalities. >> Yeah.
I think um I'm fully in favor of no tax for homesteaded properties. No property tax, just so you know. There's one vote. And what's good for Cape Canaveral, to
your point, maybe if if I was sitting as an elected official in another community, I may not feel that same way. And so I don't want to be close-minded, and I respect that. >> Well, it it's going to end up being a debate um at the Space Coast League of
Cities. >> Yeah. And I think that board is going to meet again at the state here soon. or the team that was appointed >> the property tax. >> Yeah, >> I think they start on the 22nd. >> Be interesting to hear that
>> and I listened to the last presentation. Um, yes. I think if we just want to give do we the the the shoreline and coastal resiliency. I think that's our perimeter. That's our border. That is a no-brainer for me.
That'll be a thing that we have to push hard for >> get added >> to get added because barrier islands are the only ones that really are going to be overly concerned with that. >> Yep. But this, you know, this Bear
Islands an economic tourist powerhouse for the whole county and uh as we saw Coco Beach and Cape Canaveral hold the line share. Uh but yes, I think okay, so Senate Bill 180 reform,
um I am not fully up to speed on that, but I think uh it overrides a bunch of our uh building >> code and ability to enforce and improve
our own code. So for me on that Senate Bill 180, that's something we absolutely need changes to. Now, it was originally designed to speed through hurricane damage properties without them
going by the new building code to be able to build rebuild back to what they had. Mhm. >> So, I think it has good intentions. Um, but maybe not the best ramifications overall.
So, that one is one that I think does need some some modification to cover both of those where if you're building new, you have to go by new code. But if you are rebuilding from a disaster, a hurricane, you're able to get in there
and do it. Could we extend for maybe >> I think we need to >> make a motion to extend for another 15 minutes if that's okay. If you we think we can >> Yep. >> I'll second. >> I want to call the Cinderella rule, but
I won't. >> You want to do what? >> Call the Cinderella rule, but I won't. >> I was waiting on it. >> Well, she's been Sounds like she's been waiting on it, too. Hey, >> it we knew it would No,
>> we needed that. That was good. It was light and playful. >> Okay, got a motion. Do we got a second? >> Yes. >> Yes, I have a motion in a second. >> Did you second it? >> No, I did. >> I'm sorry. I got a motion by Council Member Willis, second by Mayor Prom
Kellum to extend for 15 minutes. City Clerk, >> Council Member Jackson, >> four, >> Mayor Prom Callum, >> four, >> Mayor Morrison, >> four, >> and Council Member Willis, >> four. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, I think Council Member Jackson, you were talking about the >> I have a question about >> the items, >> the the Senate Bill 180 reform and the home rule protection number five on the bottom. >> Mhm. Would that would that encompass
both of them or is it >> No, it's more looking towards the unfunded mandates that Tallahassee pushes our way. >> Yeah, I think that's important. >> And see with 180, I'm really curious on
it because I need to look that up. I know it's already been been signed by government uh Governor DeSantis and it was intended for hurricane damaged homes and flooded homes from storm damage. So,
um do you know council member Willis? >> Well, it also it also prevents you from creating a moratorum on construction. So if a if a property was wiped out,
>> right, >> you can't limit whether it gets rebuilt or not. >> And see, I tend to agree with that because I know people down in um Fort Meyers after in that had a place that
was paid for and they had it for many years, decades. And because of new building code and FEMA moving a coastal zoning line, a coastal flood zone line, they ended up with not being able to build on property that they owned. And I
don't believe that's right. Um I know and it's I know that building code might be where we didn't do things the way that it should have you know long term or whatever but that part of it um you
know if someone owns property they ought to be able to build on it is was my thing but is what else what else on that one just so I know that I might have missed >> it has insurance complications um flood risk
a flood plane regulation. All of that's thrown in there and it basically prevents us from making any regulation on it. >> See, and I know the live local act has the ability to build in a flood plane
and that one concerns me. So, um, mayor, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to prioritize this well by tonight. I know >> because I need to do some digging so I can give council member Willis um
>> an educated I think list if the league of cities went out and was advocating the I don't have an issue even if those issues
maybe I don't like the property tax I don't agree with and obviously that's a big one uh the majority of the cities are that's a that's a huge uh push uh to support that. But what I just wanted to be careful of is that we're not stating
unless we have that's where I do think a resolution we need to formally vote on our position, >> okay, >> on these. And so instead of trying to say stop advocating for property tax reform, they're going to move forward
with that. I just want to make sure that uh we don't have a the city of Cape Canaveral doesn't have a position on this yet, right? we bec and we're not saying that you should go advocate but for us in our city and there's other
reasons why this I think is really helpful for us >> uh we're in a unique opportunity but if we could add one in out of the five I mean we already have the A1A resolution you you know about the TPO
and everything going on there we know the >> the priorities and the funds and and we appreciate that we know that the governor the shoreline was obviously an extreme problem with the wastewater right there, but uh with lagoon projects
and those things we have our Indian River, our local fund, they really want us to try and pull from that from the meeting I had with the city manager and the budget uh director for the the governor's office. He was given just an
overview and so those are important but >> if we could put one in >> we could all get on board with insurance reform I believe. >> Yeah I was >> that is a a >> number six
>> that is one that is truly needed in our state. >> So that one I can throw in there because that I I am >> out of control. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I love that. that will help our residents and investment owners and
everyone. And I think it's directly linked to the whole property tax argument the League of Cities is saying, which I don't disagree with them on this, is hey, uh, why don't you address the major issue that's affecting home is home insurance, you know, as opposed
property taxes >> and but to give you I think what you might have been asking for, what I don't agree with is this framing that police, fire, and roads is where your property taxes go. Yes, that's absolutely true. I'm not even debating that.
But that's not the only place your property taxes go. And I think they, you know, the league cities left that out. You know, we lower your rates every year. No, not below roll back. >> Mhm. >> This funds police, fire, and roads. And
I just sense that it was not I I would advocate differently, and I think this council could have the opportunity to say it how we want to say it. Um, but we're not going to stop it. I don't think uh Cape Canaveral is going to stop
the Space Coast League of Cities from pushing forward with this. >> No, and nor would I want that if the others best interest of the other cities. I love the insurance adding in. Council member Willis, you're obviously in a a great position. Very thankful to have
you to be able to chair and advocate for us. That was number six on your list. I don't know if that was a priority in any order. >> No, it wasn't a no particular order on those six items. >> What do you think about that?
>> I'm I'm insurance is killing people. >> And uh I think the property, in my opinion, the property tax discussion was look over here, we're not
going to do any more about insurance. They're waiting. They're waiting to see what the market might do to keep them from having to do something. >> Yeah, >> that's just my feel. >> Well, it's plausible.
That's sad. But yes, I think that would be excellent. And I think we can it would be really good before you know these major deadlines. Tallahassee appropriations, all that that we did have just a a dedicated meeting
>> to get on the same page. >> I like the idea of a resolution that can be used. >> Me, too. >> Locally, statewide, >> that's fine. >> And rest rest assured, I'll advocate for what the city wants as
I represent the city. I think you the resolution I'll process. I'm it goes back. It's been the advocate whenever we're against the C5. It was against the how it was done. We think it would have looked a lot different. I'm not against all these things. It's just how if we start with
the charter and the code, I think it looks a lot differently. And I think our city attorney has experience with other cities on how to handle this as well. Uh how other cities have done it. And m uh Mr. Touchberry obviously provided some
great information tonight on stuff that's underway. And and this is the the the third piece is intergovernmental relations. I do not
want to I'm not stating that I need to be the one speaking uh out absolutely not. But I want to know about it in reasonable time and and that I mean this is a chartered thing that the
citizens want their mayor to be the head of intergovernmental relations. When they elected the mayor they say your job is this and that's different. Mhm. >> That's different than the other ones. And I I as mayor could say, I don't I don't want to do that, right? And then,
well, they got that addressed the mayor pro Tim or you would argue, no, you have to do it, right? That's your job. So, uh, I I want to work together and I think we obviously went through some rough times, but that
the way we know we're advocating for the city of Cape Canaveral, I think, is by pointing to voting records and a resolution as an instrument that would give us all the confidence that we need. And uh
there is a little bit more in this resolution about those processes for submitting with grants and also being if any intergovernmental communication is happening uh to to recommend a protocol. I've got some exceptions in
there. We got sunshine that def factor, but inclusion of the mayor and I think copying the council when it makes sense and respecting sun and shine law is going to be the best. I feel better not being the only one that sees it. So, I'm
not advocating, but I have to to stay ahead of it because I can't go out in the public and and have major amounts of money that are coming in. And of course I'm Yeah, this is great. Not really sure and a little embarrassed. So,
um, thank you. And when in doubt, let's call a special meeting and we we can do it. I'd have been willing to do it then. >> If there's anything I I guess I was confused on the deadline. Uh the Space
Coast League of Cities uh meeting is you said it >> you need it by October one for that meeting. >> No, that's just the deadline for submissions. >> What you want to >> Okay, great. I think um
what do y'all want to do? Do you'all want to do a break here and circle back? If we're not going to have enough time between now and the meeting, we will have to schedule a meeting. We can do that via email and coordinate calendars. I know it's really late, so I'd be fine
with maybe we establish some legislative key deadlines and dates and you know there's we may not have to meet on getting just basic things that we want to advocate for. Will we have time between now and the
next meeting or sorry if we meet at the next meeting that's obviously not going to satisfy the League of Cities Space Coast. So that's my question. Do we want to circle back tomorrow and try to find times
to meet or maybe there's an administrative process we can do this where we don't have to meet. >> Is there a way we can do it by email? I don't think we can email each other, but >> well, not each other, but I mean,
>> yeah, I think we could all submit what our important >> information is to one person and they we could give them the authority to go forward with the best and we wouldn't get a final say on it, but we'd know, hey, that'd be one way as long as he's
not being a conduit and, you know, communicating back. And I'm obviously not the city attorney, but our next meeting is October 91st. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I think that's one, two. We got two weeks.
Let's I would say if we need to to meet, we got the rest of this week to maybe figure that out. We can look at our schedules and that'll give us time to rest. clear our heads and if we need to meet, we could meet for just the one legislative priorities
before maybe 29th, the 30th, the the the week next week, the 25th, um through the 30th. But what are we thinking?
>> I can make any of it work. Um, >> yeah, I think we need to go ahead and get meeting scheduled sometime before the first so that council member Willis has what he needs.
>> Okay. the Bvard delegation >> but the deadline >> you're saying the deadline the September >> October >> 19th is >> October 4th 1st is the deadline >> it says appearance request forms no later than 5:00 p.m. on Friday September
19th >> yeah that's the legislative Yeah, that's supervar delegation. So obviously uh that is that's Friday as we Okay. So I think we can submit the request form and then we would potentially come
together that following week sometime the 20 the week of the 22nd or the short first couple days 29th and we could formally approve anything we needed and go in and we did
have those items listed before the delegation meeting and I think we can submit the delegation because we don't have to get to that level of detail. Yep.
asked for the primary reasons and I think that would be the best case scenario. So if we had something by the 26th do we want to shoot for the I could meet in the day too. Well, that
may not work for everyone, but I think the 24th >> is a little soon. What about the What do we think about the 29th? That at least gives a week. That's a Monday. We come in, we knock it out. >> Um,
do the fire time. >> Yeah. >> 29th works for me. Okay. And could we see we've got Yeah. ethics training and stuff
>> 30th. All right. So, why don't we try for that? assuming we have not even spoke to our city staff and city manager hasn't had a chance on who would need to be here and virtual call in whatever flexible is needed um I think for this
because it's short but this what I think would be a special meeting >> and our goal would be to at least vote on the items and if we can have a resolution resolution. Great. But at minimum, we would be able to direct a resolution uh to be drafted. And uh I
can send over this just the points that I have. We have council member Willis's item and I'm happy to work with uh the city attorney and city manager on the rest.
City Manager, would the 29th be an option for a meeting? And I'd be willing to meet a little like early afternoon, if that's even a possibility so that we're not extending into the evening. Um, heck, I could even meet in the
morning potentially that day. But I want to be flexible and reasonable. On the 29th, is there any times that would not work for council? It was >> what? Oh, so like 3:30 could work.
>> 3:30. >> Okay. So, we're just trying to show some flexibility, city manager, that I mean, as early as 3:30, if we could potentially do it earlier with a call in. Council member Jackson, what that day >> on the 29th?
>> Yes. >> Totally flexible. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Is the new two Glenn launch happening that night? >> Okay. City manager, uh, we're looking at the 29th. I think council member Willis,
you said you're flexible that day as well. Really, anytime. So, if staff wants to come in, you know, in the early afternoon, we could all come in and uh that works and knock this out and try to tackle just the
legislative priorities and how we want to move forward and um >> we have appropriate staff will be available. >> Can make that work. >> Is that your >> I think 3:30 >> works. Oh, you said anytime.
>> Anytime. Sounds like we would be willing to let you pick what works best for you and so we're all f you have a flexible I can speak for four of us here today. I don't know about council member Davis but >> whatever best time suits the council. This is primarily a council issue. We
can um you know poll the staff to see if they have any thoughts about legislative items or issues or concerns. Um but we're flexible. 1:00 if you want to meet. >> I think afternoon would be better than morning. City attorney, the elephant in the room here.
>> How does your Monday the 29th look as far as the afternoon? >> Probably one or two o'clock. >> One o'clock would be perfect for me. >> 1:00. >> That's what we want is perfect. I can make that happen, too. I like it. I my
head. >> Yeah. >> The evening is where I don't want to be. You got to >> cool with that. My daughter potentially. So, all right. So, we're looking at 1:00,
which I think is great. I would think uh and the nice thing about that is just say we did one to 3:30 or even or sorry, 1 to 230 or three. that would allow even
the city attorney potentially to >> get >> even have get the resolution maybe if there was final changes or whatever format we decide done before the end of business and uh we'll be on our way. So,
uh, city clerk's office, is that work as far as notice requirements to do a special meeting on Monday, February or Monday, September 29th at 100 p.m.? >> Yes, that's fine. Thank you.
>> Okay, council, I think we need a motion uh for a special meeting. I think the code allows us to do it right here. City attorney. Yeah. Make a motion >> uh by majority vote can set a special meeting. >> Make a motion to set a special meeting
for September 29th at 100 p.m. >> I'll second. >> Got a motion by Council Member Willis and a second by Council Member Jackson hold a special meeting on September 29th at 100 p.m. Any further discussion?
I think the items we discussed tonight is obviously the purpose of that special meeting. I think that's important with specifically for the legislative priorities and to keep it simple. We can recycle this item that you drafted, council member Willis. We'll add in what
I was referring to as a draft or I didn't want to I think our city attorney should review it. Obviously, you can see it. I got that. And if there's not anything else, I'll ask for a roll call. So, any other discussion? on the meeting. City clerk,
>> council member Jackson, >> four, mayor prom >> four, >> mayor Morrison >> four, >> and council member Willis >> four. >> All right. Uh, passes 40. We scheduled that special meeting and
I think that's what came out of this discussion item with some initial discussion about our feelings uh regarding these issues. And that is the last item on the agenda. So well I like I did with
council member Jackson, council member Willis, this was the item you submitted. I'll let you close. Is there anything else? Thank you. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> Y the
report section I think is uh where we are. And uh if there's any reports please to extend again. >> I think uh >> it's 10:45. If we're going to do report, >> if we're going to do reports, we are.
Um, so >> I'll >> brutal. >> I'll second that. >> All right. You got a motion by council member Willis, second by council member Jackson to extend for five minutes. So, city clerk,
>> council member Jackson, >> four, >> mayor prom, >> mayor Morrison, >> four, >> council member Willis, >> four. >> Passes 40 for five minutes. >> Reports.
Council member Willis. >> Yes. um had the Space Coast TPO meeting last last week and we went over the advanced 2050 long range transportation plan
and for Cape Canaveral. Our resurfacing and maintenance project for A1A through Cape Canaveral is scheduled within the next five years.
the complete streets plan where we're dealing with the intersection at North Atlantic A1A and and international is uh
also within that 5-year period. The kicker is the state road A1A from Longpoint Road to George King Boulevard. The complete street with all the gutter and improvements, median improvements
is now pushed back between 2046 and 2050. >> That that is because the FDOT budget went from 11 billion to 4 billion. and that has pushed everything back for
considerable periods. >> I'd say that's all I have for right now. >> Thank you very much. Uh that's very helpful and we appreciate your bringing that back to
us and hopefully that gets we'll see some of this stuff done. Council member Jackson, >> thank you. I'm going to talk really quick. Um I have a meeting coming up with the city manager as well as staff
in regards to boosting vendor retail. Um spoke with uh the assistant city manager in Port Isabel, Texas and have obtained their vibrational study uh testing report that they did from launches.
uh worked with the city attorney and the city manager on uh my feedback in regards to uh providing that to the FAA. And I attended space expo and to see
what we had going on, you know, for space projects and things other than than Starship. So, and I'm sure there's other things I've missed because I'm just about There we go.
>> Great. Thank you, Council Member Jackson. Mayor Perim Kellum. >> Um the only thing I have is um I just a reminder of um on November 8th is our second annual Veterans Day parade. Um we
had a great turnout last year. This year it's going to be bigger and better. Um we hope that everyone will come out and uh celebrate and honor our veterans on that day. Um and if you'd like to be in the parade, we have forms for you to
fill out um so we can get the lineup going. But uh that's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. And uh I my are just want to
emphasize that the importance of a is it November 8th? I was trying to find that and I got the nice delivered invitation. Um thank you. >> The Can you imagine? I just drew a blank. I
covered myself up over here. Um, the reports I think we've covered it all. Oh, the two-way live participation. I just want to keep emphasizing I spoke with the city manager about that. Uh, like we
talked about the flexibility in this last meeting, but also an example would be Mr. Prell who wanted who couldn't be here wanted us to read into the record. And I'm thinking, well, is it three minutes? And I've done that in the past from time to time. not on all on ideas
that I felt like you know had the time and importance but that's just another example and I know we're working towards it. The other thing I want to bring up in respect to efficiency is I know our city clerk and our departments are working. We got a
lot of software, but the the agenda process I fully support if this budget addresses it um you know streamlining and modernizing our agenda process. I think we, you know, we got MUN code, we
got the Civic Plus or Civic, that software, that program, I think the city of Coco uses that city attorney. It's really impressive and I think if that's something obviously uh that would be a I think a major game
changer for us on following along. So, um, if that's not in the budget, these are things that I think are really important and if we need to take action, um, that one or any other, obviously when League of Cities, there's so many
software companies, but those are reputable ones and I think our city attorney has worked within that, the city of Koko uses it, but you can literally go to the agenda items as far as everyone's working on the same document, just a more modern, it's no
more PDFs. you would export which we've already modernized a lot here by having the the the link and so thank you. My report is I think that's all really good stuff and there's more but
the got a meeting with Dr. for uh Rendell Boulevard County Public Schools tomorrow uh with our city manager high level uh discussion but obviously we got Cape View Elementary we got Chered Park we've got things that Bvard schools are
involved in looking forward to to being a part of that and uh Dr. Roberts can't thank you enough for sticking with us and we >> is up >> have your notes and I will respond to
you and try to find where we are doing those things in the budget and keep that in front of us. So, city manager, anything for you? >> No reports. Mayor, >> thank you. City attorney, >> city clerk's office?
>> No, thank you. Sheriff's Department. Thank you so much for you staying late. That door was locked. Was that intentional? I was just letting you know at this hour after >> Yeah. So, I believe the front doors were locked magnetically. >> No, that was I was just trying to come
back in. I couldn't come in. Thankfully, >> open this side, isn't it? >> Oh, I've never been good at 50/50. >> Thank you very much. With that, council, we'll go ahead and adjourn.