Joel Fair present Mary Moscera Kathy Parks Betsy Rock Brad Purll Jenny Scott and Tina Freeman is not here
We need to approve or the agenda For those that second I Joel Fair four Mary Mascara
Kathy Parks four Brad Pll four and Jenny Scott Um tonight I'll second that
All in favor i I Joel Fair four Uh Betsy Rock four Mayor Mascara Kathy Parks four Brad Purll four and Jenny
Scott Since some of those are included um especially number one is our main discussion item I will include uh the general updates for some of those or the rest of them in my report at the end of the meeting We didn't do the didn't do the
discussion item to do the insurance discussion So I will start um and then if I don't answer if you have questions for anything that I'm not able to answer at least in the overview
of it Um please follow up at when I'm done Um and feel free to interrupt Um this is not uh an easy data set to assess Um
lots of variables go into how many times a person visits the gym Uh and it can vary by whether or not they're a seasonal resident It can vary based on if they have an injury It can vary based on uh you name it
So in order to break down um what our potential gaps are when it comes to us allowing residents to utilize um these insurance benefit programs the cleanest
way for me to look at it was to go through a couple samples of the different memberships or the different members that utilize these three categories and get a general idea of the frequency
that they come because there's different ways there's two different ways that these folks pay us And ultimately it's a per visit um type of situation and that per visit rate varies by which provider
it is But at the end of the day almost all of them have a basically a a maximum payout So if you're on we'll use Silver Sneakers as an example They only
will pay up to $27 Now that one uh was recently renegotiated prior to last month That maximum rate was 25 So I was able to negotiate to the next highest uh bracket for them And that's you'll see
at the bottom it says uh well on the summary of the item that we can negotiate reimbursement rates to a certain extent very rarely And you'll see that um I haven't been able to it's not time to negotiate the uh Renew and
Ash Fitness yet but there's requests to both of those companies to get on a call with me to meet to discuss Um but with the exception of the Renew seasonal senior resident rate that was the only
one that actually offered us what we charge Everybody else wanted to come in under under what we charge for a monthly fee So when you look at the majority of people that utilize these things the
majority do the maximum number of visits or more So we're still getting the maximum that this company will pay us for So the the revenue gaps are completely I mean they're the best estimate we can get without going
individual member by member by hundreds of members to find out exactly how many days they use the facility how how many days they use the facility for every month that they've been a member at the facility and now you have death by data and numbers that you can't really
quantify So when you look at these it's it's a very generalized idea and I think this board can advise on kind of a generalized plan
forward based on what we've got so far because our membership numbers can change by the day uh people move people move here people move out of here people pass away people um decide that they're not going to be able to go to the
facility anymore They're physically unable they sustain an injury etc So everything changes by the day and everything is dependent on how many times that they visit our facility Now our goal is for a multitude of reasons
to have people visit the facility as much as possible And it's not just a matter of well we want to get the maximum dollar amount out of these insurance providers We also want people to come because if you look at the
statistics and I don't know if any of you guys have had the chance to look at our um state of the city which this this department produces we just put it out last week The average household income or sorry the average household size in Cape
Canaveral is 1.67 67 That's a lot of people living alone A lot of people living alone So when we go after things like um Zach recently got a recognition from AAP for being an age aging friendly
community one of the factors that is is included in that consideration is trying to combat loneliness trying to combat isolation So we do what we can to encourage people to use the facility as much as they can as much as they're
actually able So if we're doing if we're successful with that these maximum rates are what we're getting for the majority of our users But there is no guarantee for that So in looking at the number of people
involved um in each or enrolled in each of these categories um as the little bullets on the front page of this summary note there's certain things that we can negotiate and there's certain things we can't And one
of the well there was one two three four common things that pertain to us making decisions on this that the city cannot really change with any of these agreements The first one is we cannot provide differential access to the
services based on ed residency or age Now Silver Sneakers as it was explained to me by their uh representative is 99% and this is you know across the board in all of their
states all of their facilities They are primarily seniors That's that's what SE Silver Sneakers is for That's why they call it silver However there's a small percentage of people that receive federal benefits out because of a disability And you'll see there's a
couple there's four residents and two non-residents that fall into the silver fall into the silver sneaker category Now those six people are not quote unquote seniors but they fall into a disability category that allows them to
receive this benefit from the federal level Um the other ones uh Ash Fitness and Renew both allow kind of a mix Renew seems to be very focused on the seniors if you look at those numbers but
Ash Fitness seems to be all over the board And we can't say "Okay we'll only accept uh members that are over the age of 62." We can't say we'll only accept members
that are living in Cape Canaveral We can't even say we'll only accept members that live in Florida So that's that's the the first rule that applies to all of these The second one is city can negotiate reimbursement rates to a certain extent We would be hardressed to get our
full asking price for anything So we're very lucky with um the renew that at least the senior resident rate which has the most number of registrations is in line with what we offer or what we charge normally
And then the city can elect or decline to participate in additional packages or benefit tiers offered by the providers So I just um Silver Sneakers is actually trying to branch out a little bit and
they were going to attempt to bring in other categories which I declined because I didn't want the city to get involved in another year of stuff that's going to make this number go up Um not without this board's support anyway And
like I said I'm currently waiting to negotiate the agreements that we have with Ash Fitness and Renew because they have a lot more They're not they're not as standardized as Silver Sneakers So they have a lot more different tiers where they allow
any of their insurance enrolles to participate in different tiers of their program based on their age based on their needs based on how much they want to pay their insurance provider to get these additional benefits and they are not limited to um just fitness centers
Some of the people that pay for these additional benefits depending upon the company depending upon the person's age and and their qualifications Uh some of these little bonus packages also offer
things like um and with our insurance it's called a care card We can typically only use that at at specific um medical providers but after speaking with a couple people in the community and including my my own mother-in-law the additional little bump
that she pays with her package and I forget what company she uses gives her a card that's like $300 a year that she can spend on items like over-the-counter medicines um any type of assisted assisted devices that she needs if she
needs batteries for hearing aids stuff like that So it's not just a matter of um you're paying them an extra $30 a month or or whatever to just use a gym There's other things that these companies are bundling in with that So
that is what it is Um the last thing is the city is under no obligation to maintain these agreements in perpetuity and may terminate these agreements without penalty per the policies outlined in the individual agreements They all have they all have escape
clauses for both parties and it's usually about 90 to 120 days notice Um and that's okay because that allows us to properly inform our patrons and that way they can make plans to either get
signed up with a a normal um rate schedule or find an alternative place to work out So those are the the different items that we have associated with those So if I was
to I mean there's different things we can do from can can I ask a clarifying question on some of the things that you just said um because you had made the comment that most of the clients that of so basically in total we
have 583 enrolled members in all the programs Okay So you're saying that of those people most of them use the maximum am amount per month when they come here for the sample sizes I took
from each group Yes Okay So I looked at the revenue from last year for this sponsorship program and it was $13,360 Well if you do the
math divide that 13,360 by 583 people that means we're only making $22 per enrolled member per year That That's a yearly number That's the yearly number 13,000 is the annual
That's what the That's what the um yearly budget said and that's what was put into the next bud budget cycle Um so something doesn't jive here if all we're making is $22 per year per person
which is now granted you've got snowbirds Mhm So you could even say well what if these people only came three months out of the year correct or four months out of the year or something But even still we're not
making we're not something something is not right with these numbers Um we either we have a lot of enrolled people who do not come or they aren't coming very
often Um I don't know But that was the first thing that kind of jumped out at me that didn't really make total sense And that goes back to those those variables that are all over
the map that we have no control over whatsoever Exactly Exactly And but if you look at it from that perspective that that's all we're making even on a monthly
basis we're only making $1,100 a month on our sponsorship programs And so if these people are coming um and using the facility at the maximum amount we're using a lot of
resources and administration to send out the bill to these rec sponsorship programs every month and all of that Uh more so than we're making any money at all on these programs which is why I brought this to this board Exactly because some of these don't make sense
to me but I'm not going to be the one to start acts and programs That has to come from our residents Well the other thing that I had looked at because um you were able to um provide the breakdown of the people by resident and non-resident
which was very helpful but if you add all that up you also find that 70% of the people in these sponsorship programs are not residents Correct So we're providing this nice service for everybody that doesn't live here
Discounted service Pardon this discounted service This very discounted service for all of these people who don't live here So that doesn't to me I thought okay that doesn't make any sense either I mean we'd be better off to drop
our resident rate and just get out of the program altogether we'd make more money And um I guess I I have a problem with uh bankrolling the people in Cocoa Beach
because that's where most of them come from How do we know that how do we know they come from Cocoa Beach well we know they're not residents How do we know they come from Cocoa Beach well I'm just saying that if you go to the gym
and you ask and you talk to people you will find out that most of them come from Cocoa Beach to play to play pickle ball Now I don't know about the weightlifters and that people from Cocoa Beach come to the Nancy Hansen pickle ball but they're playing but they're paying the they're not getting a
sponsorship deal You pay two bucks That's like free No they're paying four bucks if you're not a resident to play at Nancy Hansen But here I'm not going to you know it's the same issue though Hansen drives $20,000 a year and this
and the C5 drives maybe $30,000 a year in revenue Well except I think the point of this is we have to fix how to grow the revenue in the building not to penalize the people from
Cocoa Beach Merit Island Titusville who want to come to our building The purpose of this I believe is how to figure out to minimize the $65,000 per year revenue gap Right Okay
Right And obviously your numbers are spot on 88% of the people that from this sample poll are seniors 11% are everyone else So that's I believe why Molly has asked us to put our minds together is
how to minimize that $65,000 revenue gap Now I come from a different background and someone told me that well cities aren't supposed to try to make money I get that But our goal should be
how to minimize our losses Mhm And that is how you keep your tax dollars down Well and that's kind of where I was heading was to say it would be more feasible even to the to the people who
are coming here to not participate in the sponsorship programs and to just allow them to pay the we we're giving them a senior rate anyway um to just pay the senior rate as needed
when they come and and I believe probably you do have quite a few of um snowbirds So they maybe they only come three months out of the year and um and so then they they would just pay accordingly
But we don't know how many people will drop off because that's a great discount and some people would feel that they couldn't afford that out of their budget without that discount Well but when
you're saying that we really you know the real purpose of the people is to serve and support the taxpayers that's only 30% of the people coming to begin with you know so you'd almost be better off
to drop your resident rate and to to help anyone like that um that might be struggling and yet you know still be able
to make your revenue I mean because at this point the revenue shortfall is is not minor What if um if in doing that were you were to get
rid of these programs you reduce your senior rate to something that we think would be feasible Could you also have um I mean I just wonder about the idea of scholarships for those who have financial hardship within the within the
city that they could apply for those things and say listen I want to be able to use a facility here's here's my situation and then now you're looking out for those who had who were taking advantage of something like silver sneakers that because it was part of
their you know government um healthcare and then we still are able to support them because I I agree with whoever it was that told you that Brad that we're not the the goal is not to make money The goal is to support the city to keep us healthy to
have places for the kids to go to have places for the seniors to go um to to be able to do things in the in the middle of the summer when it's really hot to be able like we facilitate that And as parks and recreck and culture and leisure services like that's our hope is
that we're providing those things not necessarily to fix the budget Although we do want to be wise but when we think about people who might lose out if some of these things went away can we provide something else to take care of another good idea Do they do that like for kids
who want to do the summer program but um are not able to necessarily afford to come we've done it for a couple youth programs in the past and the challenge in
um the challenge is having the the folks demonstrate their their ability their their challenges So with the kids um and now we're looking at a kind of a post-pandemic thing We haven't done this since the pandemic um because that
changed how people utilize the public school system And then there's other other factors in there but Cape View as an example up until this pre previous year was a title one school meaning that the parents have to demonstrate to the school that they um need to be on free
or reduced lunch for financial hardship So we can in the past we have reached out to the school because the majority of the children that were participating were were residents So we could reach out to the school and say "Hey is uh
Johnny so and so on the free or reduced lunch program?" And they can say yes or no So they could say yes or no And that avoided us from having to go after the parents to provide all of this additional documentation If um we were
able to do that for adults we would have to look at what documentation is appropriate and how we would go about um redacting any sensitive document documentation that would be submitted Like if I had to go just off the cuff
I'd say copy your tax return Um we would you know redact the social security number or anything like that and we could make a determination based on that using the um whatever the state
determination of the poverty threshold is So that could be one option for for doing that But we couldn't do that with people that are members of this So because we can't discriminate on that
factor right but like if as Joel was saying if if you made that in your communication to people that we were eliminating these programs but if you were in need you could you know fill out
something or provide something and and uh you know figure we could figure out should they get it for free should they get it at very very reduced rate or whatever I don't know And that would be um if that's the route this board would
like to go that would ultimately be an additional item on the fee structure that would council would need to approve because it'd be similar to the um discounted reduction for uh different
um for 501c3s and 501c4s to rent some of our facilities they had to approve that that discounted rate as well because that's part of the fee schedule But that's I mean easil easily done Um and we could speak with the city
attorney to make sure that we weren't asking for anything that was inappropriate um in terms of you know determining who who is eligible and who is not Yeah I found that just having an
application is a big threshold that people usually won't step over unless there's an actual need And so then you don't have to set the restrictions incredibly high You just have to be able to say "Hey can you come and and show us need and then we'd love to step it step
inside step with you you know as the community so that you can get what you want and what you need." Um but I do I do also realize that that would be another burden on staff
Um it's a burden on staff that is currently not felt with these with this system but if we're talking about 70 or $80,000 of revenue might be a burden that's worth it So agree Yeah I because I think you
know what's kind of like with the veteran first responder rate or any rate once you fulfilled that you know you would then say you know it's sufficient for the year So then you would just go in to the system as that you know so it's just a one-time uh review of to see
if they meet the criteria or you know the other thing you can do is to give them the criteria with the application or something so they can go back and figure out if they qualify or not before they come and waste anybody's time
really Otherwise then it's just turning in their their information and someone looking it over and saying "Yeah okay that's fine." And and you could even restrict it to certain packages if you want You could say that you could offer a reduced rate just for monthly or you
could offer a reduced rate for annual as opposed to having the daily and then it would be subject to a regular reproving of of your status Well you definitely want to do it at least yearly since you know if you're going to
make it somehow based on their taxes It just makes it easier that way Guys excuse me I thought the whole purpose of this was to increase revenue and all we're doing is moving dollars if um if we're
going to give Bobby who's paying $30 a what we call a scholarship and I think it's a great idea and where is that $20 coming from that's coming somewhere else in the city No it's not Where's it coming from because you're you're
recouping all of the money from the 70% who you would not be allowing to be part of the sponsorship program Okay One person on the board said that these seniors have
limited spending or fixed income I guess is the proper term So if I'm already paying $30 a month to Silver Sneakers you're not You're getting it for free Whatever the organization is Ash I'm not
getting that for free I I have to pay something to my insurance company I'm not on medic What is that sometimes Yeah sometimes Just depends on what you're Yeah So I think what we have to do we have to re and let me give you guys an example I
asked how much would be for a senior okay to join the club or the C5 And the first thing the gal said to me was "Well it's $320 a year but go to your insurance company and it'll be virtually
free." Guys yeah No spot on So our goal is to get the community center to have a lot of use Our goal is to minimize loss We have to figure out what drives the 88% of the people that use this place to
use the place And because it's virtually free because they use silver sneakers or whatever that program is we have to look at our competition And our competition is Planet Fitness Fitness 21 and all
those places If you look at without a discount we only have we only offer an 11% savings The 320 versus 360 the $32 a
month No one tells that to people at the at at our building However if we put a different program together such as you're paying $30 a month to Silver Sneakers or whatever the
name of that program is that's $360 a year but you're using our facility What we'll do is for the first 6 months we'll only charge you $10 and the last 6 months we'll charge you the
$32 That's a total expense of $252 or almost a 25% savings of what they're paying that other program But but that's not exactly how the other program works I don't care how the other
program works to be perfectly honest I'm trying to drive sales excuse me revenue to the building And this is it's all about refraraming what we have If you look on the website the first thing it
says in the C5 building is we have rooms for rent Okay if you look at the websites for Planet Fitness it says we have basketball courts we have a swimming pool we have all these different things
We're not using our re not resources We're we're not telling the public really the multi-use that that building has And the goal is to and you're going to hate this
but the goal is is to get as much money from these out of town residents that that we can Can I redirect Can I direct it back to this particular rates for example instead of just a day rate of minimum monthly payment from
them that might bring up your $22 a person figure that you that you count That's 22 a year I'm sorry You're getting $22 a year per person 13 But I mean you're just saying that you
know you look at it That's if they're here for a year right well and then if you like but they pay them on a daily basis based upon who comes or attends So you can negotiate with one of
the programs or all the programs that I don't think you could make up that that revenue Well it's just Yes you have that on that one's definitely in my sights for um negotiations because that's that's
the absolute lowest I was able to go up um I was able to go up on the silver sneakers um right but the for example Ash you get the lowest Mhm Fitness General
See and I think um taking that route offer offer them a chance to recoup themselves or to redeem themselves and then pair that with Brad's suggestion for work on our pitch a little better maybe take down um our our resident rate
to make that a more um a better argument for savings Um I think combining all of those together will make a dent We'll make a pretty good dent in addressing the revenue gap because well there's no
way you can address the revenue gap by keeping the sponsorships I mean that's just obvious math Yeah obvious math All you can do is reduce the gap Well you can't even reduce the gap because that's almost saying that if you're saying that
people come uh on a fairly regular rate let's put it that way Um and you have to realize that if you're looking at people who only come seasonally they're taking that that re they're taking their membership and
they're moving with it So you're not getting anything for the time they're not here So so you know you you've you've got to look at so many different moving factors on that and um it it almost like I I I think
you're for the money that you're losing on this program um versus even cutting your regular um membership rate for the city in half you still would be making more money way
more money and um and then as as you know maybe going Joel's route and giving giving um a break to people who can't afford it but that's only you're looking at a very small number because you're
only looking at a portion of the 30% who are city residents [Music] um you know you're not looking at the fact that 70% are not city residents
So the goal should be incentiveize city residents and increase the number of people that go to the uh the C5 from the city the city should It doesn't matter where Well that I think that the
because we have to get full value Okay Well we're not obviously Well because we're accepting insurance and in all honesty people are on limited income They pay this uh fee or not a fee whatever it is you don't want to get
them upset and you don't want them to go to Cocoa Beach or Merit Island or places like that We have a base of almost 600 people We have to develop a program that the community wants to go to the the
C5 Uh whether maybe we have to implement an you know we add you get 12 free classes of yoga or stretching or something like that to kick that in as an incentive Again I encourage you to
look at Planet Fitness look at um 24-hour fitness where much and there's no they publicize their rates There's no
reason we cannot show them the savings Again it's a training process to our people at the front desk Um the platinum rate at Planet at 24 Fitness is $40 a month You get a buddy
pass Hey so you get one free person to come in You get a higher rate Um you get the cycle classes you get the pool the sauna the basketball court We can change that We can add We got a weight room We
have a indoor walking track We have basketball We have pickle ball We have yoga classes And that's for $480 a month We're not comparing ourselves of what we're giving to people And I think the biggest really
the biggest draw to the C5 and I think the front desk would probably agree um especially during the winter months and the time of the snowbirds when we're making our most revenue is pickle ball
My husband goes every day and so he knows everybody there and on a regular basis there's 40 people in the morning that play for about two hours now He doesn't even know how many other people come throughout the day to play pickle ball I would think there'd be a lot of
No you can't And the reason being there is there throughout the day Yes Exercising as well But I'm just saying is you can't say the only other place to play indoor pickle ball is you can play in Cocoa Beach which is very limited space and it's $2 or something like that
But otherwise you've got to go all the way out to Sharps or out to Titusville or way over into Rocklage to play indoors in the winter Let me ask this question because I think I understood that if you play in a league regardless
of whether it's at Nancy Hansen or at the C5 you pay a little extra amount The leagues only play outdoors and they only play at Nancy Hansen Those changes are coming Pardon those changes are
coming Oh but but then again that's that's in addition You pay the league fee You don't pay that that daily rate Daily rate Yeah So you play on the day that you you pay that for example C5
you don't pay anything Right Yeah Yeah Leagues tournaments regardless of whether you have a silver sneakers or not right when a when a city staff member has to sit down and make out a schedule and make out your brackets and all that other stuff you're paying a fee for that because that's a that's a
program that's offered So that that's and that's get us some revenue from a little bit when we have organized events Yes Yeah But it's not not to the extent of the daily people coming right i mean that is hu and I mean as much as um you
do have a lot of people who work out and actually my husband said that the reason why it's become very popular to use the C5 indoor I said well why why don't you go outdoors i asked him you know because he used to always play outdoor And he said because a lot of the people who who
like the C5 come there because you know you don't have weather issues But he said because there's so many people to play while you're waiting you can go upstairs and people will walk on the walking track or they'll lift weights or they'll do some other stuff They keep an
eye on what's going on Oo it's my turn Down they go and they can play So that has become very popular Um and unlike any other health club they don't have pickle ball So all these a lot of these
people are coming here for that specific reason And if we didn't have that we would not have as many people coming just for the wait room or to play basketball or whatever that is At least not during the
time of um the seasonal people I mean I mean he's he said you know when you're playing in September or October there might be 10 15 people playing but now to
have 40 people plus on and every single day I mean that is huge and the same happens at Nancy Hansen obviously but um so you know as much as you might want to compare yourself to say a plant fitness or you know even down you know if you're
looking for convenience sake which I think many people are The only thing on the coast here I is the Cocoa Beach fitness and yet they don't you know it's not like they offer pickle ball or anything like that but um pickle ball is
a very huge draw here It really is So maybe you use dynamic pricing in the winter months Have we thought about that i think there was some discussion about um winter rates The only challenge with
rate changes is that it takes a staff member literally the day before the rate change goes in effect to change everything in the system Maybe that'll force people to buy an annual pass in advance so we have the
cash that could drive that Yes And just over a long period of time I think if we pushed the benefits of what the C5 offers like that say perhaps goes out in
the weekly email newsletter that you put out every once in a while remind people that oh we have a walking track because during the heat of the season or a cold winter people may not want to be outside especially in the summertime or if it's raining that walking track is a real
thing people forget just like you see advertising for everything Um one of the things that um just as a thought process one of the items that was on the um the different um the seven
different items for discussion that we talked about last time Um was considering a joint public planning workshop with both us culture leaguer services and the city
council And you know this is I feel like maybe this is bigger than just us and it would might be more helpful to kick this to a workshop where we could look at it in that manner and
have the city council if they were at all interested which I'm sure they are um to join with us Um we might be able to put our heads together and come up with a a a plan that maybe would be
workable um from many different directions and they would have a better idea possibly about um if you were going to give scholarships or can you do that or whatever you know things that can be
included in a workshop I'm not going to attempt a workshop until we have a clerk's office Until you what have a clerk's office We have a brand new city clerk and no deputy city clerk at this time Right But I'm just saying you know that might be
it's not as if you're you know you probably could cancel You have to give 120 days if you were going to cancel these or 90 days or something Anyway um no you just said you had to give 90 days or Oh for the for the for the contract for the contracts depending upon which
one it is and what time of year Yeah So that no what I'm saying is instead of this us trying to make a decision and and say oh we think we should you know eliminate the contracts the sponsorship programs and go to a different model
um without really looking through a lot of the nuance here and different things Um I don't know if the city if we just said okay let's pass this out of here tonight Okay let's we all agree Let's get rid of the sponsorship programs
This this city council isn't necessarily going to understand unless they listen to the tape tonight I mean but that's not what we're doing We're not we're not making decisions It's just a discussion in this But I'm just saying that I think that there are some items that are large
that would benefit from having a workshop Yep And that could still happen because this is all for the future correct budgets that that we're not at Can I make a suggestion before we have a workshop and we bring in the city
council because they have a lot of meetings and whatnot Can we schedule perhaps another meeting and the board the director the deputy director the management team and the recck department bring some people from
the C5 building the building manager and why don't we get together and formalize a program that we can present to the city council in that in that workshop So
we're organized we're planned and we can offer two three options Well I think that kind of is kind of what a workshop benefit is for but we can have an internal workshop meeting before the workshop
Well we I wouldn't you have to still call it a workshop because it's not a It would still be It would still be a workshop because it's a workshop for this board just the same as council has workshops by their by themselves with other topics as well So this board can have a workshop the same as any other
right an internal one And council can even attend those and and engage with those as well as a workshop I I think that might be something better I mean because you know we can go round and round on this in
many different directions for for the next two hours There's other ideas for revenue too I mean mentioning before that I see lots of children which is great at the splash pad but we don't have there's no controls on that at all
You know there's no resident non-resident group there's there's no charge for it that might be you know charge a dollar a child I mean I'm just saying these are things you're going to shake I
understand that but you know I don't know if you guys have talked about this before I don't know if you have you know a way to get you know since there's no charge for it now it would just go into I I I don't I don't
the C the C5 doesn't operate on its own Um it's it's like when you have and I'll and I'll I have to go back to my service industry days There used to be something called um uh domestic and premium And
then there was this weird little bracket in between domestic and premium where all of a sudden you have Budweiser and Michelob light coming from the same distributor but they charge a little bit more for Michelob Well when you're presenting this to customers it's like
what's a premium domestic that doesn't make any sense So you would offset the loss from one to bump up the the the gain in the other And that's that's another question It's like if we have
revenue don't throw anything We started to charge for parking at the beach Okay for non residents and that that sum of money
came into that general pool Could that be used to offset the operating costs of what we see as a big sinkhole you know absolutely And and the beaches do fall under chapter 54 which is technically our
purview Okay So that sounds like a workshop topic too you know versus just have an overall revenue workshop and we can look at our fee structures We can look at the accommodations we provide such as what
memberships what sponsorships and that could be a recommendation that comes out of that workshop is that people need to start paying for parking at the beach if they don't reside in Cape Canaveral It's not a new idea but it's a
new generation and a new world since the last time it was discussed things do correct So is the consensus from the board tonight to schedule a revenue generation workshop where we look at all
of our fee structures all of our facilities and compile a proposal for council to either consider or for them to join us at a future combined workshop So I think my game plan just off the top
of my head would be have a workshop with this board with uh my management team Um and then at the end of that meeting we would have a list of actionable items or ideas At the next scheduled meeting of
this board we can present our our draft to you and you guys can tell us if we need to go back and edit it or what edits can be made that we can just go ahead and make quickly and then submit that with the help of the clerk's office
to organize an actual joint workshop for council I think it would be uh nice to be able to move that forward at a fairly decent rate because I know by you know it will go into the planning of the budget cycle
for next year Um and it would be nice to be able to have some better numbers if we're going to change things up um for the next budget cycle So paid parking on the beach would also include
input from Well yeah but I mean if we didn't you know on let's just say we didn't go too huge immediately Um but just on some of the items that we discussed if we drag this out for the next year is what I'm saying because we
meet here and then we meet again and then we do this and that Um we might be able to address smaller chunks that could get re you know could get into place at a quicker time And
then future plans which might be parking because all of a sudden now you've got the logistics and how do you implement it and just look at how they what they had to put in place the infrastructure and everything in Cocoa Beach to make that happen and you got to have the app
or you got to have you know some way to pay it and blah blah and all that That becomes a much larger animal And so um but not much larger because we have a lot of cities we can look at lessons learned and a lot of recent things And the last time that this was really
seriously looked at for this city was in 2011 And the technology has come so far that it's it's a almost and it's not foreign So we're not something that the residents would want to have input into though and they would have ample opportunity and so you'd have
to have a a community workshop where they could have input into that I mean that's they could participate in the joint workshop with you and council because all of those have to be public meetings Mhm But I mean really advertised so people know what's going on and they
would come because many of them I think we could facilitate this entire process within six months between the different workshops provided our clerk's office can get their feet underneath them and also like I said uh community and economic development were would have
some skin in the game when it came to beach parking and we don't have a community development director Yeah Well that's that's a problem Yeah Yeah That's a problem I make a motion that the culture and leisure services department
has a workshop with the board with the managers of cultural and leisure services within the next 30 days and the pri and the topics to discuss Priority
one revenue gap at the C5 Priority two increase revenue at the Nancy Hansen facility Priority number three parking at the beach Can we just make that revenue gap revenue gap at the C5 is
priority one Revenue uh increase revenue at the Nancy departmentwide Excuse me I would like the second one to be departmentwide Okay because our like Manatee Sanctuary Park does not take a whole lot to run
but it brings in a good bit of revenue So looking at these other little items that goes back to my my my random beer reference is that all of these other things all of these other rental facilities or facilities that we could potentially rent feed into one pot We
are one big parks recreation and community affairs pot There is no more leisure services There is no more cultural and community affairs We are one department and it all feeds into the same pot We just need to make our money makers What are we called now it's been
parks recreation and community affairs since March 7th 2022 And how do I get cultural and leisure services still in because because I haven't been able to change the name of the board yet
Boy did I have a senior moment Yeah that's what park stands for I had a senior moment I only want to pay $20 It used to be Gustavo ran parks and recreation or aka leisure services but
nobody knew what leisure services meant And then when the departments were split and I was made the director of cultural and community affairs that's then then he went away and we combined and we are now one big parks recreation and community affairs I
understand your point Madame Director However I think our biggest three goals Number one goal is to eliminate the revenue gap in the C5 building and we should not dilute everything I agree these other departments who runs them
should be at the meeting But that's why in my opinion we prioritize the C5 we prioritize Nancy Hansen and then we can have all others But when you have a $65,000 revenue gap and our goal in my
mind in the next year is to cut that in half We need to figure that out That's a hunk of change So that's that's what um Do you have a second for your motion thank
you Call the Joel Fair Four Mary Mascara Four Kathy Parks Four Betsy Rock Four Brad Perll Four And Jenny
Scott Four All right So my next task in association with this particular item is to get a uh identify a date that works not only for everybody else but for this room because we do kind of compete for
this room Um and uh that can be done um via email consensus I'm not sure if uh I think we've done a couple special meetings in the past where we had to vote on it but I need to identify a day Once I identify a day of availability
for this meeting we have a requirement for seven days to post agendas So um we'll be moving fast on this Why does the workshop have to happen in this room
because it's easier to facilitate here than it is anywhere else Okay Yeah There's there's public speaking Not at the C5 echo channel Echo chamber Echo chamber I've got an update on the echo chamber but this this
room is outfitted for meetings like this and has the capacity to record and and do all of those things which I feel is important for the legacy of whatever's discussed in this workshop It covers for sunshine and covers us for
sunshine when I think what would fall into like the um other the third grouping is a lot of the things that we did uh address or identify last time in the items for discussion you know to
increase um opportunities and you know community engagement and use of other facilities and a lot of those things that we had um already which I'll update you on when we get to that part of the meeting Mhm
It'll dovetail Madam Chair Yep Good evening Madam Chair and board Uh on the list tonight we've got updates on San Piper Park equipment and the little league field update Uh San Piper Park Brad I'm sure has probably noticed
and possibly Joel we've been had to remove we've had to remove one piece of equipment there and modify another piece uh to keep it there Unfortunately they were the two most uh popular pieces of playground equipment for the young
families around there one we were able to save by modifying as I said uh and a father went inside a tube to get his little daughter who got scared or something is stuck in the middle and his foot went through it So Molly and I have been
um hoping to get the equipment replaced because all of it in there is at his end of life cycle Um and we were have been out there and we were able to take the tube fiberglass the hole over flip it upside down so they're not stepping on
that weakened area again Uh the bad part was the uh spiderweb the big red spiderweb or I caught it the octopus uh which was everybody's favorite We've had to demolish that and remove it for the last couple of years Um our guys has
been going in It's all was all metal frames and the metal was starting to fray and as I said it's at the end of its life cycle So we've been going back You can't get new parts for this stuff We've spoken had the gentleman from the uh company that provides you that
equipment to us has told us they don't make the parts anymore So we were using duct tape whatever we could to keep the thing going because it was so popular But recently one of the supports had broke on it and that at that point it was it really was dangerous So we
decided just to go ahead and take it out Uh which we did and I've already had probably seven or eight uh parents come over and want to know when the new one was going to be here Don't think they make that particular one anymore But um so we've
had the uh on the budget and it's been pushed out Um so we're going back again this year with another CIP and hopefully um it'll be approved and we'll get the equipment in
there We're ready to do it We just need the approval from the council Um anybody got any questions on that particular I have a comment Mr Deputy Director I think your team has done an excellent job in extending the shelf life of the
equipment in the park The only issue that I have is that due to people's agendas and kicking the can down the road in budgeting
departments that our children are missing out on outdoor activities But I want to commend your team for extending the shelf life on these things I I tell they amaze me They have been working on this stuff and keeping it patched
together and bandated for so they know the nomenclature for the little uh O-rings and the parts that are in there They rebuild the water fountains outside Uh they they really are a good group of guys and I'm I'm very happy to have them
uh working on our team Uh then the baseball field the little league field We've uh we did the clay bought new clay and got the base pads done again Uh bought new base bases Um we are still doing the
mowing of the infield and the contractor US lawns is doing the outfield We last year we replaced the lights uh removed the old incandescent sodium lights and replace them with new LEDs which work fine Uh
however in the right field uh pole we have no light there now and we've been our guys again have been on the phone with uh technical support with the company we bought it from and they have handwalked them through the u checkout procedures and the problem we
found out is on our end it's the electrical and again it's just old old infrastructure and so we are currently trying to get a contractor electrical contractor It's beyond the scope of what
we can we can handle now Uh so I'm working on getting a contractor here uh to get some quotes on that I have uh offered to little league um you know had a couple of options One they could their games at night start at 6:30 and run to
8:30 if they wanted to start at 6:00 if that was something feasible Parents could get their kids there you know get away from work and get their kids there That was one option The other one then the only other one that we could do was to bring a light set out there and set it in the corner back by right field You
won't have the height of the LED lights but there would still be light out there It It's dark I've been out a couple of nights just to see And it it's dark back there I mean you know that field caps out at 12 years old so you're not going to have kids you know hitting dingers
out there but still it's not safe for them to be out there in the dark So I'm waiting to hear back from the league board as to what they want to do which way they want to go uh with tackling it And that primal said she's going to cover
the conference room So that's if anybody has any questions And uh Mr Prevail I would like to thank you for taking me out to the uh batting cage last week and uh getting the chance to look and I told Molly I
got to I got to take her out there and let her see it It's when I worked at Palm Bay it reminds me of Fred Poppy Park down there She's huge massive I I had no idea there was anything like that this near to us Very impressed with what
we saw But thank you You're welcome I'll piggy back off John's a little bit Um and everybody's favorite phrase the CIPs which is uh the capital improvement program A lot of people say it's capital
improvement project but they're not always projects Um I'll start with the playground Uh the playground was originally budgeted for this fiscal year it was budgeted at 400,000 Um we are eligible to try for a grant on that Um I
think with the current climate both on the state and national levels we will be in stiff competition for grants even if they will consider awarding them There's been multiple years especially in recent history where um despite uh organizations um agencies working months
and months and months compiling these huge grant packages especially when it comes to state level grants especially when it comes to the um Florida recreation grants where um agencies have spent months compiling paperwork months
compiling uh quotes selecting equipment selecting programs and when the governor when it gets to the governor's desk he says "I'm not funding anything." So um grants are I mean I'm still chasing the money for Patriots Park It's been done
since September of 2024 and I'm still chasing the $75,000 that we were guaranteed So um it's not an easy process There a lot goes into grant writing Um I do have experience in
it and um we can hope in one hand and whatever in the other and we'll see what comes out Um it that has been moved out to fiscal year 2526 and I have
actually updated that I do I have a quote sitting on a shelf which obviously isn't going to be good for very long because things change especially in terms of freight Um the uh equipment and the surfacing that I
picked out would have been uh an absolute San Piper Park would be unrecognizable and would be such a gem when this gets done Um but I upped it to 500,000 and I kept it in fiscal year
2526 The good thing about this and what a lot of people don't understand is that not everything comes out of our general fund Not everything comes out of just grants but everything that happens for the most part at Canaveral City Park
it's in our CRA district So CRA pays for these things So this wouldn't be a thing that would come out of the city's general fund This wouldn't be something that comes out of the taxpayers's pocket So in my mind there's not much reason to kick that can down the road unless
there's a more pressing CRA item Um so that one's in the works We will I forget the date of our uh CIP workshop but I can have Samantha push that out to you I don't know if they've set it in stone yet but there will be a couple
things presented as part of our updated CIPs that um you guys would be able to speak to and maybe speak to the urgency or the need or the just general approval of And the batting cages are one of those things
because that's something that is can be a revenue generator as well So um madame director once the PO purchase order is cut for the new equipment and everything for Sandpiper Park what is the lead time for it to be
delivered um it's about depending depending upon shipping All of the stuff that I order I tend to use Playworld And the reason I tend to use Play World is their equipment lasts for 20 plus years Um and they are made
in America Everything is produced per order Um which does make it take a little longer but everything's coming out of Pennsylvania not Canada not China not Mexico not Japan Um so and then it's installed by local crews and we
typically are able to avoid having to go out through a lengthy bid process because we're able to we're not the only ones that see the value with Play World Services and almost every county in the state has had a contract with them at some point in some time So we're able to
get the reduced rates based on some of those larger entities that um utilize their their products and installation services 60 days once the PO is cut more more like 12 weeks because they
have to produce 90 days Okay What What was the cost on that sandpiper park i've budgeted 500,000 because that would be the full replacement of every single thing in there it would be removed and every single thing in there needs to be
removed Um everything I don't see that in any of the CIP or um page 122 of this year's budget It is uh CIPCR number one The CR number one I have is CA uh
Canaveral City Park redevelopment San Piper Park is located in Canaveral City Park Oh it's part of that Yes Okay got it So you'll see it Won't it be ADA compliant also um my goal is to do pour in place So it will be the first park
that has um not only uh universal design equipment but also parking to accommodate universal design equipment So and then that will be presented to council with a $500 price tag just because everything goes up and I don't want to come in over budget I'd rather
come in under budget Um but it will definitely be a park that will be well utilized and um something that we can really be proud of that can match the attractive um the attractiveness of our
new splash pad and our new building Any questions on those two items all right Uh based on the amended agenda I can speak to a couple of these items before I get into the originally proposed Um we discussed the revenue
gaps Um increase community engagement by posting meetings This meeting was posted at all of our city facilities So that has already began Uh improve the rentable facilities and facility rental promotion We've already started doing
that Um John mentioned uh carpet in the conference room Uh acoustics were almost I don't want to say they weren't a consideration They weren't even in the universe by the folks that designed that place So um one of the easy fixes that
actually kind of in a way helped me offset the future maintenance costs the flooring that they installed in certain parts of the C5 requires a great deal of maintenance and chair scuffs boot scuffs
are impossible to get out and we had to bring in a company Um John got multiple quotes We went with the lowest bidder on that and it was costing us yes like $2,800 a year just to maintain these floors so they didn't look bad Um
so on top of the maintenance and the inability for anyone to hear themselves think if there was any bit of noise in there and the fact it's a conference room which is designed to have people talking in it and being able to communicate and engage Um I had carpet
installed So the carpet's similar to what's in here It's little squares If somebody spills something we got another square We pull it up We put it down Is it in there already oh yeah I I watched it on I watched them install it on the security cameras It was the greatest slow motion video I've ever watched Um
and uh if it matters Um because I'm one of those weirdos that picks colors based on names The uh color is called space So random trivia fact for you So um in saying that another CIP that's being
proposed I don't have it in front of me because it's going to be up for consideration is some improvements for Manatee Sanctuary Park to clean that up because that is one of our most rented facilities to make it even more
attractive and um worth the price that you're paying to to actually rent it to the point where we may even be able to look at increasing that in future years once we finish all of the projects Um typical to my tempo I try to phase things out because of obvious reasons I
phase things out at my own home Eventually I'll get to my screen enclosure but uh if there's something more pressing in the way then we take care of those things first So um it'll be probably one to two fiscal years for me to to tackle everything that I want
to address at all of these other facilities but we're we're getting there slowly and that is already underway Um vendor opportunities and franchise contracts We haven't had time to get to that because I currently have
an RFP out that I have a deadline to do the assessments on And that is also something that I need to work with community and economic development on because there are codes and rules that I have to follow when it comes to franchise agreements and and working with businesses when they want to do
business on city property Um hosting events that raise revenue and awareness for our facilities Uh Missy just came up with a new tournament the big deal tournament that it's happening next month Um next April is um
well for the rest of the country April is the beginning of pickle ball season For us it's year round So um we're going to piggyback off the national day or national month So um at the April city council meeting um we have a lot of volunteers and a lot of residents that
have worked very hard to build the pickle ball community and build the interest in our facilities So we're going to have them accept a proclamation from the mayor that recognizes National Pickle Ball Month in the city of Cape Canaveral and thank them for their
efforts and helping us basically generate revenue and build um meaningful activities that engage people socially and healthy activities So that's already underway Um we've got a couple other ideas on the table So when we get start
getting into our budget year we can or our budget season we can start discussing on on where to prioritize that because events cost money Um number six work with the community and economic development department and city leadership to ensure visit space
coast and the tourist development council recognize and promote the city of Cape Canaveral as a separate entity Um I'm going to give community and economic development a little bit of breathing room for the moment Um and once we get uh somebody in there that
can get their feet underneath them we'll hit that hard Um I was reminded of it Um for those of you that have talked to me at any length I do a lot of trail runs and um I did a trail run uh earlier this
month and I was going down the turnpike and I was on I75 for a little bit and for a short stretch it was visit Cocoa Beach visit Port Canaveral repeat And the more of them I saw the more
frustrated I got because there should have been one more in the middle And there wasn't Don't forget visit Ron John's Oh yes Yeah Yeah Cocoa Beach then Ron John and then repeat because there was a couple of those I had to I had to look down at my maps to make sure that I
was in the right county still I couldn't believe that they were all the way over there because um just as a point of reference I had to drive three hours to to go to this race I left my house at 2:00 in the morning So this is literally 3 hours from here They are advertising
everyone but us Um to that point I didn't see anything about Melbourne but that is what it is Or Palm Bay Um and the next one joint public planning workshop for the leisure services board and city council We discussed that earlier So that is coming Um as far
as the next two items tennis court proposals So Marcy worked really hard and she talked to multiple vendors um vendors from all over
Florida and um while we have had lots of feedback um both from pickleball and tennis community about 90 uh night was not willing to do the work that we were asking for the scope of work um and they
would only give us a quote for um full remove and replace of the tennis courts So we started looking around and just throwing out you know invitations to hey please contact us We're looking for some work on our tennis courts Must make a
site visit because we wanted people to set eyes on it not just ballpark it in their head And this one company out of Buon Beach Florida responded to to Marcy and he was very upfront He said "I'm coming from South Florida so any quote that I would give you would have to
include extra for PDM and and and travel for the the staff members that he had assigned to work on this project." So we knew his numbers would be high but what he did was he gave us three scopes of work He gave us a scope of work where we don't do anything about court 5 and we
just pave over it And then we all know that in about six months that dip is going to come back and it's going to get worse quickly just like it did with the last one The second scope of work they gave us was the full remove and replace Once again it came in in the $400,000
range which um council was sticker shocked as much as I was Um but it's not really feasible at least in the immediate future The third quote he gave us and we had to make the argument for it because NY made such a strong argument against it to the point where
they wouldn't even provide a quote for it was to remove court 5 replace court 5 after they fix whatever's going on underneath it to recompact re firm it up and then resurface all five courts
So the question came up well is this slab not going to sink and the way he proposed it was or the way he explained it was yes it will Um it will eventually separate Um but the separations and the
cracks that will occur will happen so far in the future that we might not even want to worry about that given the current condition of the courts and the fact that they do need to be repaired And at the end of the day when it does separate it's not going to be separating
in a playable area So it's going to separate between courts and not in the middle of a court and create a big hole in in playable area Um the current hole is not in what's technically a playable
area for pickle ball but it does impact tennis So either way since we're going to need to continue to share the co courts at least for the foreseeable future we need to make it playable and safe for everybody And that that middle quote the original plan that we had
asked people to quote actually came in a lot closer to the budget that we currently have It might go up a little bit because we are going to have to in order to remove that court we're going to have to remove fencing Some of that fencing is not going to go back up the way it came down I don't even I can't even guarantee it's going to come down
whole because it's as old as the courts in some areas So there might be a little bit um of of growing pains when it comes to that But ultimately uh we're going to move forward with this middle range and see what kind of quotes we get see what
kind of bids we get back And my goal is to have this started by this summer and to have everything reopened before snowbird season ready to go So that's the update on that You have any questions did you say that it was going
to stay within the 115 budget that it will be closer to the 115 um we don't want to do what was done in previous years with go with the lowest bidder We want to go with the lowest responsible bidder because we want some pride in workmanship and that's not what we've
really seen with the previous contractors that were willing to do the bare minimum for the bare minimum price So we want How long did you say um depending upon how fast I can get the bid out the bid would have to be out for about 30 days to get enough people And
it depends on scheduling after that But my Did the contractor give you any idea of what like how long it would take for each of those between 20 between depending upon the contractor between and and their schedule because we have to fit into their schedule as well
between 28 and 48 days So um we won't have too much downtime Um but I anticipate that just getting it fixed people will be patient to have something nice to play on again So and and if we can get it done over the summer the the
impact will be minimum Our uh tennis leagues do have not our tennis leagues but the tennis leagues that come um our independent leagues such as the USA and the Space Coast Ladies Tennis they have other places that they can play Obviously it's a revenue hit to us for a
month or two but it will be so worth it in the end and we'll be not just on par but we'll be better than par when it comes to some of our surrounding facilities So um which brings up another
one um a CIP that I forgot but it's related to this um one of the CIPs that I'll be proposing and obviously everything's subject to to council approval and and when they want to do this but I'm also going to propose the removal of the um
shuffleboard courts and have them replaced with dedicated pickle ball but we'll see how far that flies So there's there's a lot involved in that So um we'll we'll see what's uh what what the council's take on that is And my uh
counterpart in capital projects is also looking at an option where they could put storm water stuff underneath that It's a little bit smaller than of a space than the entire tennis court complex but it could still have the potential to um retain enough water to
help not only the folks on Filillmore but also you know in the surrounding areas Madam director I have two question or I just have one question about two things Um is it possible for uh you to get volunteer
labor for either the the playground project or something like tearing down the fences is that are any of those feasible for volunteers or are we not allowed to do that fencing removal Absolutely Um you're definitely going to
sign something right yeah obviously I mean when it comes to playground equipment I'm going to leave that one to the professionals because there's a lot of safety standards that go into it But even demo of the old stuff could that be something that you're definitely going to have to sign something but I'd be more than happy to let you help us rip
it out because none of it is is salvageable in the sense where we would be able to utilize it somewhere else Right The only thing that I've discussed so far tonight that's salvageable and I actually might move forward with it anyway because I've been eyeing it for quite some time Uh a lot of the fence
needed to be removed at Patriots and it was just a small perimeter fence It wasn't anything major like the tennis court fences and the there are some pretty goodiz portions of the shuffleboard fence that I was wanting to repurpose anyway over at at Patriots
Park So I might go ahead and do that because that will also solve another problem that we have Um the shuffleboard courts only gross about $600 a year 700 on a really good year But in the meantime when no one's using them we have a couple individuals that like to
use it as an off leash dog park and uh off leash dog park never mind the one that's actually directly across the street from that So that would kind of reduce the misuse of that in that nature and it would make our Patriots Park a
little safer if for the the little ones that like to take off So because we'd be able to replace the fence in that cuz the fence that was there all of it came out for the most part um during the playground removal because it was just not only was it blocking the equipment from getting in but it was never going
to go back in the way it came out So I try to repurpose things when I can but I'm also not afraid to say this is trash So um speaking of that tailing right into Patriots Park the community garden So
the car wash is done and I had our new building official um one of the the responsibilities I have when we have new team members like him come on is I give them a tour of all of our facilities and discuss the needs discuss the challenges
discuss anything that might pertain to their department So um as we were passing that park uh the vehicle that he was driving was incredibly dirty and thank you pollen season Uh so I said "Why don't we take the vehicle through
the car wash i need to see something real quick." So I hopped out and it was uh last week when we had a couple really significantly windy days and the wind was coming out of the eastsoutheast to southsoutheast And I stood at the entrance to the car
wash as he pulled in And then I walked down the side and stood at the exit of the car wash when he pulled out And the overspray was so minimal I didn't even I I would not have noticed it had I not been st standing there staring at a car wash waiting to get sprayed with
something Um so the car wash doesn't have a direct impact or toxic quality of whatever's coming out of that you know on the fruits and vegetables that are being grown there um it's just almost completely blocked from
visibility So what this board wants to do with the community garden is a little bit I mean it is what it is and it's something that that can be considered It could even be considered part of the revenue argument But one of the ideas I
had and I was working with Zach who is um part of our community and economic development department but he works specifically in the resilience division That department has implemented in in a couple different areas different
grant programs And one of those grant programs was if you needed a facade improvement on your home paint job help with a roof something like that anything that would make your neighbors be like "Oh thank you." Um the city reimbursed people for for certain amounts to to
help with minor beautifification projects on their own property whether it be putting in sustainable landscaping uh removing um I believe one of the options was if you had a big concrete space of impermeable
um whatever driveway to put in something that's more permeable to replace that to you know improve drainage And I asked him what the possibility would be of approaching different HOAs and condo
associations and offering a grant to those because those folks don't have dirt because they're second floor third floor and up um and encouraging them to use grant funds offered by the city small grant like two grand um to put in
a community garden on their premise which makes it a lot easier because Patriots Park doesn't have any parking And so if you're coming and you're bringing your own plants and your own supplies and you're doing it in a vehicle you are parked illegally or you
are parked illegally on somebody else's private property because now a lot of people including myself when I visited would pull up and now there's a car wash where I would pull up So you are literally on street illegal parking just to do anything there So um it would make
it a lot more logistically easy for people to grow fresh fruits and vegetables and get that outside time and and you know cultivate whatever they're going to cultivate Um and that would target the specific areas that actually need access
to that the most as opposed to individuals that could very easily grow some tomato plants in their yard So I'm working with them on different ideas for that And um we're probably going to start with a survey to make sure that that's something that these different
communities would have interest in because they would obviously have to have some common area to facilitate this And um I can hopefully know more on that um by by the next regular meeting for this board because that's something that
they're going to have to discuss with whoever they hire as their new director as well Can you do something similar to that with the shuffleboard court since we're going to get rid of them i know some of these condo communities have some shuffleboard
courts Maybe we can pay them I don't know But we do and I'm saying we need to generate the $600 but obviously there is a use Other people have shuffleboard courts Maybe
they'll let our people go there for whatever It's it's worth the the ask and we are sitting on um several racks of very old but still equipment Um
before I left leisure services in 2019 I had um replaced most of the pucks So that's the expensive part because that's the heavy stuff I mean the the shipping cost shipping on those is always more than the actual pucks themselves because they weigh a ton Um but yeah we could
even at the same time that you're asking about the garden ask about shuffle boarding Asking if they have shuffle board and if they'd be willing for to to let people come in and pay for that That an option Most of the uh just boots on
the ground at the counters uh a lot of the condo communities around here have replaced their tennis or have modified them for pickle ball People just don't use them They don't use it there They want to come us to maintain everything
So there's a lot of actual pickle ball space available here in the city limits that just doesn't get used They want to come to Nancy Hansen or I guess it's the camaraderie just being together like Miss Rock was talking about so many
people Yeah And it's only the only on Tuesdays when the snow birds are here when the uh when the shuffleboard course get used Other than that they just sit there and
for the unlicensed dog park Quick quick question Is the splash pad running no it is not Okay We're waiting on equipment Okay Thanks Sorry Any other questions for staff
i'll make a motion to adjourn Joel Fair four Mary Moscera four Kathy Parks four Betsy Ron four Brad Purll four Jenny Scott Thank you Thank you