##VIDEO ID:xFC5N70wAU8## yeah I mean if the board yeah the board the board can proceed if it's not being transmitted um online um as long as the meeting's being recorded right the meeting's open to the public and of course it's been advertised right so it's a technical uh difficulty okay then let's go ahead and proceed uh this is the chair for the uh purposes of the recording um Madame secretary would you call a row please just so we know who all here Nancy gelore Pres John Price present Lamar Russell present Steven stoud pres Susan Denny pres and Dr Miller okay we have a quorum uh I forgot to do the first thing first the meeting is now in order we have called the row uh um see next article is public participation and other than the people who are seting here as staff I see no one from the public but I'll ask anyway is there any public participation or request to do so just in case somebody's behind the door okay that takes us to new business and we'll approve the meeting minutes of last time you have before you the minutes are there any uh additions or corrections to those minutes Mr chairman I make a motion that the minutes for the September 18 meeting be approved as written thank you is there a second Tuesday and Danny will second the motion okay then May are approved and Seed uh our next order of business is to consider a proposed amendment to the uh City keep canaval comprehensive plan Coastal unit Coastal management element and future land use element to mitigate and adapt to current and future flood events should be an interesting discussion all right uh Zach would you like I'm sorry do a roll for the minutes approval I'm sorry do we need to do yes I need to do a roll call for the minutes approval okay would you okay for the approval of the minutes Madame secretary would you please call the roow okay Nancy jel cor I approve the minute John Price approve Lamar Russell approved Steven stal approved Susan Denny approved thank you thank you now did I miss anything else thank you it takes all of us to keep it right okay without further Ado Let's uh move on then into our order of business and I'll turn it over to you Zach are you going to summarize for us sure thank you Mr chair so uh just the record Zack eoll Chief resilience manager for the City of Cape canabal uh I'm going to try and take this very large agenda packet and present it to you in a very nice story a story that starts in 2015 so this is admittedly well overdue and something that we need to have done yesterday but here we are we've made it so in 2015 the Florida legislature adopted what is now known as Peril of flood which is a series of changes that have to be made to one's comprehensive plan in the coastal management element of which our comprehensive plan P since we're a coastal municipality on the Atlantic Ocean fast forward to 2018 and the city conducted with the help of a grant its first vulnerability assessment in collaboration with the East Central Florida Regional planning Council you have seen and heard from representatives of that organization one of which that you know is Brenda serut who used to be the city's old uh uh urban planner so that vulnerability assessment was conducted to look at uh flood issues that could face the city throughout the 21st century relating to storm surge seil rise a combination of the two the 100-year flood plane the 500-year flood plane and shallow coastal flooding and it looked across scenarios from today 2040 2070 and 2100 now that vulnerability assessment took about a year to write and on the August 20th city council meeting in 2019 that was unanimously adopted or accepted Ed by the city council at the time to move forward and to take its recommendations to do certain things it found that the city and I think it's no secret was highly vulnerable to flood situations for a number of reasons um as you also probably already know high amounts of impervious surface cover so concrete asphalt things like that older storm water infrastructure that wasn't keeping up with modern-day rain events and their uh intensity um hurricanes that can deliver storm Sur Surge from either the Atlantic or the Banana River Lagoon or both and then ongoing sealable rise that is making the Lagoon and the Atlantic Ocean higher uh throughout the years so from the assessment there were recommendations made that the comprehensive plan should adopt the Peril of flood legislation that was put into place back in 2015 over the last two years or so uh we have been steadily working our way to doing this and making changes within the elements as well as the future land use element as you can see in the red areas in the document that was just presented to you um we made changes uh a lot of the changes were first made with another grant that was done with the East Central Florida Regional Pine Council I believe in 2021 and 2022 where they took a stab at it first and then they handed it over to us and then since then we've been making some changes based on things that we were seeing and based on things that this are required of us of the state to do I should also so preface all of this that this is something the state we we need to do to be in compliance and to help with flood insurance and things like that um so right now um let me see so right now where we're at um as you know there was a Joint Council and planning and zoning board meeting held back in March I thought that went very well um and you heard about this initiative that we were doing and that we said we would bring it back and this is where we're finally bringing it back um the new changes do a series of things uh throughout the comprehensive plan that would allow us to make code changes eventually those code changes would eventually also be brought back to this board for your review and then eventually to council but they would encourage things like uh the use of low impact development practices um green storm water infrastructure raising of City infrastructure not doing certain things in certain areas of the city and also perhap perhaps most critically the establishment of what the state calls an adaptation action area or a AAA we're calling our AAA or our proposed triaa the enhanced resilience area era which I thought sounded way cooler than triaa um so what are we going to use in the future triaa or enhan resilience to the state what's going to be our working language here it'll be era but to the state it'll be AAA but Cally we will be calling it the era um there is a there is an exhibit that was given to you that shows where our proposed uh era will be it's also on that map over there it's a little hard to see I know but it's the yellow hatched area on the west end of the city uh that starts in the northwest corner and goes down uh a little bit I think north of Center Street that area was actually determined through modeling from the East Central Florida Regional pining Council that is their recommendation um by no means does it have to actually be that area there can be more there can be less uh the state just wants you to make one it was thought since a lot of our scenarios for flooding showcase that the west side of the city is actually more vulnerable than the uh East Side from storm surge flooding and erosion and things like that and also due to the high impact economic area that that area uh is in terms of a lot of our revenues now and also some pretty critical infrastructures in that area of the city mainly our Water Reclamation facility that treats the city sewage is in that area so with the triaa it would kick in certain new things and standards that would be put into the code that developers would have to do upon new development or Redevelopment um with that I think I'm going to hand it over to Abby so Abby is our brand new resilience planning and services manager she replaced Lexi Miller within the resilience division she comes from the city of Titusville she loves comprehensive plants and can't wait to talk to you about some of the more nitty-gritty of the parall of flood requirements Abby before you get started um would you like to bring that traod over here and put it in front of us here in the center so that since we don't have the public here it won't appe anybody's view bring it over here so we can uh look at the references more easily no you don't need to do that just just put it there in the middle and we can see the colors we know the city just make it a yeah little working group here that puts together okay very good can you see anybody need any adjustments I'll be fine you okay thanks thank you can move it back a little bit if it'll help perfect perfect perfect uh take that one let's see you don't need to well Anthony might need to refer to it so take that one and make it the same orientation as the other one very good I think we're there now if we need to look at half inch closer Zach just kidding just Kidd I'll just stand over there now you may proceed thank you Abby um my name is Abigail Holmes but you can call me Abby um I did come from the city of Titusville I also previously before that worked for the city of Jacksonville as a land use planner there um so I have gotten acquainted with a few comprehensive plans in the State of Florida um but I thought that this evening it would be appropriate to touch on Peril of flood a good bit just so you get a little bit more context and sisted did come out in 2015 so if you have any questions please feel free to stop me and ask them I got a question right all right off the bat go ahead so I am faced with this document filled with red lines um I read the other one which is all black now this one is red how do you propose to work us through this we can uh I hope we don't go line by line we're willing to go in a narrative fashion um how are you going to work us through this The Hope was that we would not go line by line if you had any specific questions we would we would address them and then address some of the larger I guess um things that would be impactful to the city moving forward which we tried to highlight in the agenda cover in the bullet points um but we can go over that we can go at that after Abby finishes and are you going to just tell us where you are in the document while you're working through it or is that uh yeah we could do that okay tell us what yeah okay without further Ado go ahead sure okay so just to kind of cover what really parall of flood is and what the language is in that Senate bill um 1094 it's basically requiring local governments to develop strategies to reduce the risk of flooding in coastal areas like Zach said um the car of flood addresses Coastal management plans as he stated in this case some of our edits are also going to include the future land use element um but we're looking at Redevelopment strategies and formally recognizing sea level um from this act so we want to recognize and reduce the flood risk in coastal areas that are a result of high tide events storm surge flash floods storm water runoff and related impacts of sea level rise um so I can give you a little bit of a bill summary if you think that would be beneficial for you um okay awesome so when local governments like the City of Cape Canaveral are drafting Coastal management plans uh the parallel flood is looking to include development and Redevelopment principles strategies and Engineering solutions that reduce the flood risk in areas like the City of Cape Canaveral were completely Coastal so everywhere um but such plans must encourage the use of best best practices development and Redevelopment principles strategies and Engineering Solutions as I stated previously that will result in eliminating inappropriate and unsafe development in the coastal areas when opportunities arise and so that's where our vulnerability assessments that have been done in the past the current one that we are doing that's going to help us to identify this critical infrastructure in areas that are vulnerable and susceptible to these flooding impacts plan should also identify site development techniques and best practices that may reduce losses due to flooding and claims made under flood insurance policies issued in this state that's where the national flood insurance program and our participation in the community rating system with FEMA comes into hand uh our plan must be consistent with or more stringent than um the flood resistant construction requirements in the Florida building code um and the plan must require any construction activities seaword of the Coastal Construction Control lines um to be consistent with chapter 161 of the Florida Statutes which is their Beach and Shore preservation language um the plan must also encourage local governments to participate in the National flood insurance program um specifically the community rating system administered by FEMA which we do and we actually just underwent um our recertification process for that which happens on a five-year basis the proposed amendment to the coastal management element and future land use element of the city's comprehensive plan seeks to address these requirements in the Peril of flood act and in addition to this I'll just quickly touch on um the community rating system that we just underwent um the CRS program recognizes communities that engage in flood plane management practices that exceed the minimum requirements of the national flood insurance program so we have been doing this for quite a while I don't know Zach if you remember when we first started participating this is a voluntary program but it's becoming more so required for these Coastal communities it's been done in the city since at least uh 2018 okay um and like she said we just went through our 5-year recertification right now Cape canaval is a class8 community within the program which means that all flood insurance premiums are discounted at 10% Abby worked very diligently We believe We Are about to get a Class 7 certification which means that will'll improve to a 15% in uh discount moving forward um that review should be completed within the next 60 days or so and that will be critical to continuing forward and making sure that we're abiding by this legislation from the state will we actually uh see those rate reductions in our flood uh insurance bill those that have the flood insurance to the National flood insurance program should yes go ahead yes so um just touching on the CRS I know this is not the comprehensive plan but it we should be including language that addresses the national flood insurance program um it's encouraged in the Peril of flood language um this effort participating in the CRS it's supposed to reduce and avoid flood damage to insurable property strengthen and support the insurance aspects of the national flood insurance program and Foster comprehensive comprehensive flood plane management so that's how this all sort of intertwines in what we're talking about tonight and that's all I had to touch on for Peril of flood but if you have any questions for me I'll be happy to take them so I just want to lift off some of the Or List off some of the highlights that this amendment will do at the 30,000 foot level and it's laced the language is laced throughout as you can see what has been changed and what has not been changed in the red lines so this will encourage the use of low impact development and greenstorm water infrastructure with new development and Redevelopment projects where are you oh I'm reading from the agenda cover on page okay tell us when you're into the B second page at the back two yeah the bullet points um it's focused on improving disaster preparedness across commercial and residential properties it's uh aimed at limiting residential density increases above those existing and Allowed by the future land use element of the comprehensive plan in the coastal High Hazard area and the special flood Hazard area establishing a post- disaster Redevelopment and Hazard mitigation plan should a high impact storm event severely damage or destroy the city's built environment in the future so that is essentially developing a plan if the city went through a situation similar to that of what happened in Mexico Beach Florida where there was nothing left um cesing the findings and recommendations within the city's vulnerability assessment as well as the goals and targets set within the city's 2021 resiliency action plan into the city's comprehensive plan so what that that basically means is just making sure that the stuff that was in this document that was written after the current iteration of the comprehensive plan they kind of just Mel together and speak to each other and then code amendments that require developers to finance and install utilities including but not limited to improve storm water drainage facilities flood adaptation measures multimodal streetscape Concepts portable water and sanitary sewer facilities to serve their proposed uh development and Redevelopment consistent with concurrency management and Provisions to mitigate climate related impacts allowing for elevated and Commercial residential structures to reduce flood impacts to properties in and around affected areas stilting Breakaway first floors enhancing and preserving natural Coastal resources that can improve Shoreline resilience such as the implementation of living shorelines oyster reefs wave attenuation devices sand dunes and then finally prohibiting the implementation of any new critical and or Life Services dependent infrastructure within the AAA or the era such as hospitals assisted living facilities pable water treatment electricity generation in order to minimize risk to highly vulnerable population sets so that's some of the bigger things that these changes would do um or at least allow us to do there'd have to be specific codes written after this to allow it to happen but Anthony did you want to touch on the topic that we spoke about before the meeting um certainly um one other issue that um has come up I think since um the proposed exhibit a was prepared by staff and and this has come to the council's attention and I believe most of you or some of you definitely know about this issue there's an issue regarding um infield development and elevations of proposed um new uh new projects on adjacent properties so uh the thought would be um if if the Planning and Zoning Board is is ready to make a recommendation regarding what's in your package the thought would be to also bring this issue up and staff's recommendation is to include um an additional objective in the parallel flood revisions to include um some language regarding that issue and so um I'll stop there and I was pecking away just trying to give you a general idea of the language I me it would probably have to be word Smith a little bit more and then we would find a an appropriate location for it in the document that you have um before it gets presented to the city council um and the council's um prepared to take this ordinance up at the next meeting next week um so that's why we want to bring it up to you so I'll stop there before I kind of give you some general idea of Lang proposed language at least for purposes of the minutes if if you agree that it needs to be addressed agree okay we have a consensus of agreement okay so somewhere somewhere in this document I have to work with staff and and kind of Wordsmith and review the placement the language would would be something something like this and staff you're hearing it for the first time too and I think I'm reading it out loud for the first time um it would read something like during the land permitting process the city shall evaluate proposed elevations of new and Redevelopment projects to ensure compatible elevations with adjacent properties and rights of way the purpose of the evaluation shall be for purposes of mitigating potential flooding and runoff to adjacent properties and rights away that could potentially be caused by the new or Redevelopment project code of ordinances will require compatible elevations and site development mitigation techniques to reduce potential risk of flooding from new and re new and Redevelopment projects I can read that again if you would like but I think could you read that read it again please anybody's looking at me kind of puzzled I I think something like that should be we should probably study the potential uh unintended consequences or what's already required by code or different ways to require it in code before putting it into an ordinance um because I'm like for example I'm just thinking that our storm water code which will be updated subsequent to this is supposed to right supposed to address exactly that um but I I do have concerns for example this is a larger scale but hotels a lot of them are raised and have the underflow um cuz as storm water a sea level rises and as storm water um is creating greater impact why you know I think it might be we might be hindering ourselves if you're a property owner um to mitigate something that's already mitigated so I think maybe further consideration or study or discussion of it would be um have less unintended consequences potentially okay so good points um those are the types of things that would be addressed in in the Land Development regulation so the purpose of this language is just to lay out the objective in the comprehensive plan so my thought is I mean that this objective would be during the Land Development permitting process the city shall evaluate evaluate we're not imposing anything right now proposed elevations of new and Redevelopment projects to ensure compatible elevations with adjacent properties and rights of way well how does that affect the permitting process here comes the person who wants to build develop this this and so the city is going to study it and evaluate it meanwhile this person is waiting on a permit how does that work that it gets incorporated into as Brianna indicated it gets incorporated into the city's storm water regulations this as part of the um permit process that this object the the thought my thought would be the objective that's in the comprehensive plan requires this evaluation as part of the permitting process it it's kind of an enabling um General objective it the objective is not to per not for purposes of imposing the specific regulation it's requiring the evalu at least the evaluation in required Land Development permanent process so it would be you know it would be it's more like a directive to incorporate this evaluation in the Land Development permitting process there's a lot of I think technical you know engineering issues that are going to be have to be looked at regarding this because in infill I've know with other cities too it's a complicated issue because everybody wants to build up right to prevent flooding on new development properties but it does have unintended consequences on adjacent properties if not done correctly so you know rather than just having a minimum requirement and just say everything's good I think the intent would be and I know it's coming up at the council meeting that there be more attention given to the evaluation of the elevation that's being proposed for new development projects and that um mitigation techniques be incorporated into um you know into a final permit so I think that sentence you just said would be a good language to include because it it's more General instead of saying like what that last sentence you just said a no recording that I I think that would be perfect as like yeah I we can wormit the language I think we're trying to get everybody to understand you know the concept that I that I just know it's just going to be addressed at the city council meeting and it's not in this particular document but the last sentence that I had is that the code of ordinances will require this compatible elevation and site development mitigation techniques to reduce potential risk of flooding from new and Redevelopment projects on adjacent property in write up way so I meant the last sentence that you said not in not in the writeup the last sentence that you stated if I recall correctly it was something along the lines of um that um as part of the development process that he staff uh you know staff will adopt an ordinance um or will consider a an additional step in the site development process that requires looking at um uh elevations I don't know if it's finished floor or toppo um related to all of the surrounding sites and roadways something that that says you know it needs to be considered okay I mean the LA I mean we get the last sentence they just threw out there was part of the you know the first two sentences are that it will be evaluated then they get then you got the purpose of the evaluation and then you have the the the end all is that this is going to be done the code of ordinances are going to be require this compatibility evaluation you know you don't want you know we can again this would have to be Wordsmith but the concept is that the ordinances the Land Development regulation is not the you know pursuant to a directive of the comprehensive plan is going to require more attention be placed on this issue that's I think the issue right Zach that we're trying to yeah trying to bring up because it's going to come up oh it's definitely going to come up and I don't want the board not to at least consider it um because it's just not in this draft yet because this is an evolving issue so I you know I think the the council would appreciate your view yeah I think should keep it in front of us let's let's just get after that what is what's going to H what I'm thinking is this is going to result in some some criteria some concrete numbers how high mm how many feet are we talking about that's what we're going to boil this down to right and there's a I I know underneath all this veiled language is the development property in my neighborhood which has been infilled and causing concern about flooding nearby properties and we don't have any criteria we don't have any footage we have no ele ation numbers so I guess this real little rambling of mine results in are we are we going to come up with actual numbers in these regulations well eventually you're going to get a you're going to get a staff recommendation which I would think is going to include the recommendation of the city engineer yeah on how to deal with this from a technical standpoint the only reason why I'm bringing it up here is that this this is more of a policy document right the comprehensive plan and you know if something's important then at least you should have a directive in the comprehensive plan you know so you know that that supports the future adoption of Land Development regulations on this point because then you can clearly say that the Land Development regulations that are adopted later are consistent with the comprehensive plan because as you you know this board's fully aware any any Land Development regulations inconsistent with the comprehensive plan are not enforcable in the State of Florida right so if the intentions are to address this issue in the future in Land Development regulations I would advise you that you need to have some nice enabling ordinance to insulate you from um an inconsistency challenge later on down the road when someone says you're imposing something that is inconsistent with the comp plan we would turn around and it's one we to make such a silly argument um we would uh turn around and point them to um a policy statement or an objective statement in the comprehensive plan that dispense with that argument okay so we're going to out of this we'll come out with a policy that says we will evaluate MH nearby Properties or the consequences in the permitting process that's going to be the policy that's correct that's correct okay that's we'll word Smith it but if you know if you want to include that in this policy give that direction and we'll make sure the Planning and Zoning Board not the city council understands that you know you're recommending that be included I didn't realize I was being so profound I thought that's where we were headed anyway you're right as always hit the nail on the head no no no don't feel my chairman yeah this this this this first step allows us to take those technical things later on headon so but the policy gives us the leeway to attack the problem and talk about it yes and we and it says we will talk about it we will evaluate it yeah there'll be a lot of this is good job security there'll be a lot of things to figure out after this for sure so we will word Smith it and we we go to do it pretty quick you said it's going before the Council next week yeah I mean it would I mean if you want to keep it pretty straightforward I mean I elaborated more on the purpose but let's if you can condense it down the board would recommend that there be an objective in this document the comp plan that says something like the code of ordinances will require compatible elevations and site development mitigation techniques to reduce potential risk of flooding from new and Redevelopment projects on adjacent properties and W of way oh it sounds pry that's a directive not not a not a you know specific regulation but a directive that that that ordinance is going to have to be prepared and presented for your recommendation in the future and and to add um the intention so you know as planners are kind of our bibles are the comp plan and the the code of ordinances right and so anytime a discretionary application comes before you or another board or even Council um it is always required that it complies with the comprehensive plan so anything in the comer for example we have a hotel coming to y'all soon uh in 2025 and um in that we have to analyze applicant has to prove it staff has to analyze and then you all have to find that uh it is in conformance with the comprehensive plan we've had that drilled into our head over many years okay so you don't have to play that card too many more times we we we get it in fact we've had our head hammered with it you you'd better be compatible with the comp plan and the first thing you do is work your comp plan then do the technical okay uh let's fix it so that we can take it toward the council with a pretty definite policy I like your word that gives us the policy to to you know I like rely on if we ever a change it a little bit or tweak it fine I don't need to see it any again so next time we see this or hear about it will be when we're sitting with the council dealing with it Tuesday what next Tuesday the city council is going to conduct a transmitt hearing yeah before this if they adopt it it goes to the state for review by state reviewing agencies then it comes back later for final adoption probably sometime in February March so you know the the recommendation from staff is everything that you see in Red Line in that exhibit that they handed out those are the proposed changes you've read them in a nice clean copy but that highlights the changes that you read before tonight's meeting and then with the added recommendation that um language be placed in there also that says the code of ordinances will require compatible elevations and site development mitigation techniques to reduce potential risk of flooding from new and Redevelopment projects on adjacent properties and right away where do you think you're going to put that in here not quite sure yet Zach Zach and I were talking about that before the meeting um it's going to fit in there somewhere it might go in the F the proposed changes to the Future land use element as is my is my thought at the moment I think it might fit in there because there's also some uh other uh Provisions about uh development and Redevelopment and there's a there's a probably way near there's a proposed policy change that's uh in the future land use element CM 1.1 38 that says required development and Redevelopment to have minimum elevations above base flood elevations etc etc seems like maybe that's a good place to add another policy that I just which which policy was it um cm 1.3.8 1.13 okay y it's on page 19 of the [Applause] handout I'll let Zach make the call but ially at um go lu-1 might also be a home for these page numbers objective Lu 1.1 19 oh that's the coastal msite that's the coastal management then might looking at policy numbers and I don't see the policy am I in the I I wouldn't get hung up on where it goes it needs to it needs to go in there somewhere I mean Zach and yeah I just want to be where you are yeah okay where you said it originally was is probably a good place I just picked that up because we're talking about mil minimum elevations above flood yeah I mean that's one thing right now the next is you know you got to evaluate the the elevations make sure they don't cause flooding on adjacent proper properties right are we focusing on finished floor elevation or uh topography we're talk we're talking about the base elevation of the of the construction site Toph topography yeah okay because the goal is to not flood not regulating oh not um including finish floor elevation cuzz I I thought that that was I me I leave to the city engineer to come up with I mean mitigating techniques I mean I think it has to do with infill and and the elev Topography of the site but it also could have a lot to do with the elevation of the of the foundation too right I think you see developers taken both approaches want to put some words in there that the city engineer has to work that magic bring bring forward Techni yeah you you can you can I don't think that need to go into the uh well you could put that in there I mean mitigation techniques recommended by the city engineer it sounds good I don't know sounds good right now go go and work it go work it it sounds good to me by the city engineer and that way they're involved he that city engineer in office is involved it's not just some Kentucky windage that's a good I mean that's a good point right okay where are we re proposed Rec recommending you know the doc the the document as presented plus adding um somewhere in that document and to be determined by staff um a um an objective that says the code of ordinances will require compatible elevations and site development mitigation technique recommended by the city engineer to reduce potential risk of flooding from new and Redevelopment projects something like that on adjacent properties and right away something like that something like that okay but that's the that's the again it's going to have to be wor Smith it's going to have to be presented to council that may change but it I think it's the concept yeah in comprehensive plans of the language yeah it's always I was told at least to air on the side of a little you know not being too technical in the comprehensive plan to give you some wiggle room to work with in the future future proof the plan if you will yeah just yeah pros and cons and different approaches that's much appreciated the uh not always the best case comp plan needs to have wiggle room so you can be as technical as you need to down the road in the ordinance especially on something like on this one I would would definitely agree with that approach because it's going to be so technical mitigation techniques will undoubtedly change over time as you know engineering you know ideas are you know formulated I mean that the building construction techniques change over time so last thing you want to do is have to keep going back amending the comp plan through the state process to make those changes very technical yeah give leeway for future improve future developments yeah some bright people may come forward with new techniques that we don't know about today definitely know that about rocket technology yep as you would know yep okay we now asking for a recommendation right is that the end of the that's correct was the end of your presentation right I had nothing else well okay let me ask it this way then we we we started a a conversation we talked about this document we got into a policy a major policy are there any other major policies that we need to go touch on before we leave this the only one that I would appreciate some consensus on was does the board in fact like the area depicted as the tripa or the enhanced resilience area the yellow hatched area in one of your uh exhibits I don't remember which one Renee can you pull that up on the big screen please do do we does the board be more definitive what is you're asking that we like the placement of it in the city and the area that it covers or would cover um cment five okay just back out okay I don't have any hard fast feelings about that somebody could bring forward some thinking okay Zach back up now and coaches again on sure what you what we just did so the the map that you see on the screens in front of you that denotes the proposed adaptation action area as it's known by the state it'll be known as the enhanced resilience area in the City of Cape canaval this is an area as you can see by the flood projection maps that is more vulnerable to flooding uh than some some other parts of the city with storm surge um and seil Rise so and it's also an area of high economic impact for the city which is why it was denoted to be overlaid in that location um it can once adopted always be changed or added to or reduced um but that is where we wanted to start and I just wanted to make sure that the board members were comfortable with this before we present it to council and uh see if okay with it as well okay so they can out loud here now we have defined an area of importance correct uh what are we going to do with that what do we go next with it so the triaa would instill um codes that are I would say code plus if you will where it would require certain things to be done by a development or a new development to conform to the higher risk of flooding in this particular area as opposed to others okay so we're going to put that kind of idea in the policy that's correct boy I don't know how you do that Zach other than build a 9 foot wall around city of keville hope it doesn't come Elevate every build building by 9 ft and then we're safe we can do like they did in New Orleans what's that put the levy around it that's New Orleans is is in a wall that's what I'm saying very big pumps well okay it it we got to start somewhere and this is it yeah we start the war where you're at and here we are that area of the city also historically has poor soils doesn't drain as well as the Eastern portion that has natural sand in it yeah most of that was fill material I have uh served on the Board of Trustees for the Methodist Church down in Coco Beach and we've done some building in that area and I have done some work with Allen engineering and I've seen their soundings and you know everything gets built you have to have a sounding and go and find out what what the soil is underneath this whole Peninsula floats on sand and mud yep so I don't know how we protect ourselves other than Bill dyes but that's down the road I lived in Holland for a year really if you want to know how to protect the country move to Holland give Holland a look they know how to keep the ocean out that's a good idea we'll take AI we'll take a board we'll take a board field trip there get the fing yeah okay that that sounds good okay what else are we are we there that that was pretty much all I had unless anyone has specific questions about any of the language I know it's a lot but there's a long time coming well okay we covered this uh at a pretty high level but I think we drill down where we need to so now that we've had this discussion a little bit of word sharping I'll just open it up and say uh anybody want to talk about anything or bring forward any question or delve into any part of the discussion that was interesting to you that might Mr chair if I may one more thing that I was that's actually really important just wanted to bring up to you so the city's current vulnerability assessment which is this document right here it's been on the website for 5 years this is going under a complete revision also required by the state it was a shame because we finished it in 2019 and then about three years later the state said actually you have to redo the whole thing well at least you knew what you were working with yes so the new one is being done with the East Central Florida Regional appoinment Council and is being paid for by a $225,000 grant that the city got doing that hold up there a minute uh so we get $225,000 for the from the state M uh who gets the check the mayor the city council the the uh planning department the city gets it to pay for to pay the East Central Florida Regional planning Council to rewrite the vulnerability assessment oh we're going to take that money and give it to the flatting council yeah because they have the technical expertise and the modeling required to do it okay not objective um um but the uh the importance of this is this will allow us to further mirror these documents into the comprehensive plan changes it also Keeps Us eligible for grant funding from the state right if you don't update your vulnerability assessment they lock you out which is bad so important that'll keep us in in line with that the current one is about 90 Pages we were told by the pet Council a few weeks ago there's a preliminary first draft floating around it's upwards of 400 Pages most of it is modeling data that the state now requires for every single piece of critical infrastructure listed in your city so every lift station gets its own few pages of models for flooding every building uh they said as an example of alucha counties that they're doing uh the document was over a th pages in length so that'll be fun to take to you when we bring to that but that's got a little bit more to go but I just wanted to point it out there before you open it up for discussion okay so there there's a lesson there we're going to need money to do that uh we have the money we're good and don't be bashful about asking for more CU When we you know as I said before and I like telling this story the city of Kevan Arrow built the first very first comprehensive land use plan in the State of Florida we got a grant of 200 I don't know some th some hundred some thousands of dollar tens of thousands of dollars and we gave it to a consultant it was very good recommended by the state and they built a comp plan for us you ought to see it I hope it's in the file somewhere it's about that thi it has every bush plant seed anything that ever grew on this little Peninsula whether it's animal or vegetable I mean it had all there's a world of data in there and we slowly shed it off and said oh we don't need all this we just need these policies to work from and then we build our ordinances but what I'm saying is we had to have money we paid out money to get that information so when it comes time to build these documents doents don't be bashful about that bashing for Grants we love grants put Rocky on it he's a good money do money bird dog that's true thank you let's see what else are we doing okay let me open it up then uh Steve you got any thoughts about anything you want to talk about we were going to Council in front of the for in a week so compatibility of elevations I like that phrase compatibility of surrounding elevations in order to go in and assess any elevation prior to construction you it's compatibility of everything surrounding to make sure it fits so there's just not a single one number that you can put on anything got to all be surveyed find out you know the appropriate slopes Falls it's got to be drained it's got you know you got to you got to make sure that it's not going to drain into somebody else's place and and flood you know you have like like you were saying earlier you got somebody that's come in and they' built up this land and then finally did their uh slab and a lot of people are concerned because the flooding it's going to cause I'm seeing that already in our town i' I know of examples of it that we already have another thing I wanted to mention is in the resilience area um enhanced resilience area more than a year ago I took a tour of our um water treatment plant and it's pretty scary when you look at the side that faces the Banana River we've had an erosion uh level of erosion that's been going on there for years and I mean it is literally chopping the land away something's going to have to be done with that fairly quick in the future I can answer that to that I think it's an easy solution uh I think uh they get in there and I said this to the people there at the plant when I toured it drop some sheet piling in there and start back filling that in and and build a good solid barrier between that and the Banana River I'm so glad you brought that up so the city is currently engaging with the US Army Corps of Engineers to address the very problem that you just spoke about because when you do go out there it is a little disturbing now that is a a very apt word to talk about it um especially on the southern side um the city's engaged with the Army Corps starting in 2021 in 20 uh at the beginning of February of this year we officially signed on for their section 14 cap project which is their emergency stream bank and restoration project project which is specifically designed to do emergency repairs of critical infrastructure like a water treatment plant so they're currently undergoing a design study that would see an enhancement of the Southern shine of the of the plant with newer design standards that would probably involve um what what it's looking right now is a new much larger coina rip wrap as well as a sheep pile wall behind the Cina rip wrap then the addition of plants across the Cina like mangroves um that design study would be presented to council and would need to be approved that program allows us to cost share which is great on a 65 um or on a 6535 basis 65 Federal 35 us so that's great because such a project would probably be very costly if it was all done by the city so that is coming down the line even though it is an emergency program it still takes two to four years to get through um but it is expedited compared to what we do so that project or excuse me that problem is being addressed as we speak We Are One real bad storm away from losing that sight of that plant and you've not seen it I would encourage anyone that wants to go see our Water Reclamation plant they'll be more than happy to give you a quick tour of the place so boiling all that down do we have a a building plan uh in work yes is there actual construction planning and and actual work getting done there's no construction going on right now they're going through the design phase to tell us what we should construct that should be that's a year process started in February of this year so it should be done in February of 2025 for has to be reviewed by Council to move forward with the funding I would way to expedite that planning not really push it hard we've I say I I've said to them what Mr stra said many times it uh and they the core has been out there many times so they're fully aware but it is one good storm away from a very bad situation well it goes for the whole state of Florida that's true too okay thank you Steve what uh I I really don't I I agree with with you though I think that compatibility is a really good word to be added even you know just somewhere in there because it kind of changes it a little bit you guys did a really good job it's a lot of work was a lot to read so I can't imagine developing it have nothing D over to the left how about you Nancy well or Susan Susan I'm sorry other n Go go ahead the other n proceed without me no I think they did a great job and thank you for giving us what the the changes were cuz I I read the one that was clean and I thought it was good and I was like okay so we're not changing anything but no I'm I'm ready to suggest that we um adopt this present it to the city council with the addition of the policy that looks into the neighboring properties per the smithing that we've discussed to keep it in general and not get too technical okay so you want to recommendation to take to council about this or do we need we're asking for a recommendation okay help us to word word craft it uh what kind of motion how how should we craft the motion for the uh I mean we talked about the comprehensive plan we like it please enact it no they don't want a motion like that so what do we uh what we yeah I would um phrase the motion that to recommend the the proposed ordinance to the city council including adding an additional objective to the proposed exhibit a that reflects the language that I previously read into the into the record all right then let's let's uh approve that kind of motion then that says say that again Anthony I tried to write it in shorthand but recommend the proposed ordinance to to the city council including adding an objective to the ordinance to address the language that I read into the record I can read that in again but it'll have to be Wordsmith but you you have that all right Rene I have recommend proposed ordinance to city council including adding an object an objective to the ordinance two include to include the additional language that I read into the record regarding compatible elevations and mitigation techniques I'm just paraphrasing that end otherwise I have to read it into the record again and um it's to exhibit a of the ordinance not into the ordinance additional language that amends yeah yeah that amends exhibit a to include an objective that states that the code of ordinances will require new and Redevelopment projects to have compatible elevations and mitigation techniques recommended by the city engineer to reduce the potential risk of flooding from new and development new and Redevelopment projects on adjacent properties and right away y something like that and I I can send you that if you want like a few word summary it could be um um with addition an objective added if you just say the motion I just did I know but if you stay the motion then we're just going to vote on it say that again Renee say say what now if he States the moot if you state the motion you're just going to vote on it and then I'll have it on record and that I still don't know how to State the motion in a shorthand way that's a long motion I have an idea I got an idea go ahead there so go ahead John i' I'd like to um make a motion that we make the recommendation to the council um using the verbage and words that uh our City attorney has put together regarding neighboring elevations regarding neighboring elevations I second the motion I have a motion in a second uh uh okay did you get it uh Renee I got it okay V we have a vote let's vote okay call the roll Nancy Jor for the motion John price for the motion Lamar Russell for Steven stoud for the motion Susan Denny for the motion okay okay that that got a little junky there but uh you got to be careful with motions and we just want to give a clear motion or clear notion to the council what we're uh recommending I think we did it I've got an open discussion question it's kind of like yes no it shouldn't be too difficult so I had a break in my reclaimed water line coming from the street so that talking to the city about it the water getting that turned off so we can deal with the breaking the line so so the break was in reclaimed water that's the purple line coming off the street reclaimed where does that get process how does it get collected and where does it get processed the water that is is that becomes the reclaim water is processed at the Water Reclamation facility is that separate from the sewage processing that's one and the same so all of the city's black water sewage or uh water that comes from a toilet a bathtub a sink anything down a drain not a storm water drain a drain within a a a building goes to the city's Water Reclamation facility or a water treatment plant and and it gets processed through a I believe it's a five-stage treatment process that involves mechanical and biological treatment methods um biological being microorganisms that eat the sewage um treat it they treat it they reduce the nutrient count as it goes through the treatment train if you have not been to the treatment plant we do host Public tours i' be happy to facilitate that tour it's an amazing process it's a highly regulated process there's an on-site lab laboratory that tests for water quality every week that goes up to the state for compliance well now just stand by a second I'm trying to close the loop here so I can explain it to my neighbors MH so without having a picnic lunch in the yard so okay we collect the water sewage we collect Street runoff we do not collect Street runoff huh we do not collect Street runoff that goes to outfalls that go to the Lagoon only only the stuff one of those questions yeah so we the street run off in front of my street goes up the street to a big nice new set of drains that were put in there a few years ago it goes over to a lift station and it gets lifted and sent somewhere that that water doesn't go to a lift station that just goes gravity fed down to an outfall on the Lagoon usually through a baffle box to clean it a little bit but that's why we only say rain down the drain cuz if you pour stuff down a storm drain in a street it's going to go to the Lagoon which is bad so but the water treatment plant that's collecting all of the stuff inside a house drain or a building drain toilet sink shower bathtub um that goes through the treatment process and is turned into reclaimed water which is used for irrigation on our yard correct that's used for irrigation and uh when there isn't a demand for irrigation it can be piped to the Lagoon directly or it can be sent to the underground uh tanks at canabal city park beneath the ball field and the Green Space there's a system under there that can hold 931 th000 gallons of water when there's no storm water in it you can pump reclaim there and let it flow into the ground and be naturally filtered uh a Corel question do we still provide a share of our reclaimed water with Coco Beach I don't believe we do once upon of time we did that's correct and a lady came in front of us and nearly chewed my ears off because the water had been cut off to Coco Beach cuz they didn't have the water to share it's dry period And she said we want our water we had to have her escorted out by one of the uniform oh wow that was a fun night okay so uh we don't share anymore I don't believe so I think the connection still exists you'd have to had I think you have to fact check me on that you can reach out to our Public Works Services director but as far as I know I don't think there's been a lot of active sharing in recent years their plants a little bigger than ours anyway so they have their own that they do yeah it's a big one I see you can see it um do we process anything from the port no we used to we don't anym I don't know if we used to but we definitely don't right now yeah I know we used to oh we did okay okay so they process their own we process just us okay so now we turn that into reclaimed water M and it goes back out on the yard M uh now you got to help me here the the water goes in the drains down the street for my house M I know they go across by a gravity across the neighborhood to another big sistern collecting uh area there and I was also always under the impression that there was a lift station there to lift it so it could go on to wherever it's being treated there is a lift station but it's for sewage not for storm water okay yeah so what's happened to that storm water then it goes over there in that big zist I know it goes across the neighborhood into a big collection area how's it go anywhere it has to be gravity it is to the Lagoon just runs to the lagon yep so don't pour paint down the drain so that's uh on the street into the Lagoon no no treatment there is in the form of a baffle box that but that usually takes out like larger organic debris litter trash but like like a liquid like like literal paint or grease that sometimes people put down that that's going to get into the Lagoon so that's why we if you ever see like some of the drains in the city or should be all the drains there's a little symbol above it with a manate that says something to the effect of like only rain down the drain because it's going to them so okay now we know just just so we can talk about it with the neighbors yeah there's a amazing video on the YouTube on the city's YouTube channel it's about 7 minutes long that explains the Water Reclamation facility and how it works it's a little old the treatment process has been enhanced a little bit but we can send it to you when I go to YouTube what I search on City of Cape Canaveral Water Reclamation facility should bring it up fantastic okay good I used to think I knew how that system worked but I don't I'll give you a tour it's great it doesn't smell that much you get used to it all right that was uh whole business open discussion uh anything else we talk about the scheduling of the next me absolutely which brings us to scheduling of next meeting of J on January the 8th or the 22nd all right how do we do this Renee just ask for a show of hands who can make January 8th and if they can't make eight they pick 22 you can do that I can do either or about you I can do either or but I would prefer the 22nd okay we got a notion of leaning toward the 22nd how about you John I can do either one 22nd no I'm here for the eth 22nd is the week of the Rolex and uh I need that evening to get myself out of here the eth it is but we can do the eight that's fine I got no problem with the eight I can do it either or attorney can you confirm all right did we settle on the 8th 8th January 8th all right that's one the other one was February the 12th or the 22nd 26 uh how about you uh Steve I'm good either or I pick a day in February I don't care Nancy um I can't do the 12th I can do the 26 all right so that boxes it to the 26th already how about you John I can't do the 12th I can do the 26th okay I can do the 26th I can do the 26 all right looks like we've settled sure February the January the 8th and February 26 thank you I I put that on the agenda because Renee spends a lot of time calling we've does we've had every board and one update and open discussion I just want to provide I think Zach introduce Abigail Holm or Holmes yes Abby Abby Holmes um but she's been with us now for 2 months um and has been doing an outstanding job especially as we're still not fully staffed she stepped in for the planner which is Kyle's position that is also um still vacant but we do have someone coming online in a month about a month from today uh January 6 is when he's starting um from the private sector but has private sector sorry has local local public sector experience um so we're very excited for that I'm I think we're both we're all excited for that because we've Renee as well taking over those duties and um we happen to be having every single board meeting requested while this um positions been vacant so um thank you for being able to bring your schedules today because that'll be helpful in planning um for me to write those staff reports as we onboard that guy okay so so just near term uh I'm going to be out of town Jan U December 20 through 28 I'm going home to Tennessee for Christmas uh 20 through 28 so does that impact anything any okay any other absences that need to be highlighted you good good okay Steve you good Nancy we assume Michael all right that brings us down to the opportunity to adjourn so without further Ado I pronounce us adjourned well and did that without a votee getting B bold bold you had the hammer I chall thank you all good humor