I got it. as well. Okay. Yeah, she started streaming. I just stop. Hey Steve, I sent you that info. Just text it. Paul, who's is Janetta coming?
Wendy. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't know if so. So far so good. Things start to get buttoned up. Ohio Pro, you know. still need. You got to turn the mics on now. You got
to turn at least one mic on. Oh, I got pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
There are no minutes or just Okay. Yeah, we'll just go into roll call then. Okay. Um I have everybody's down. Okay. Okay. Curts back um um Dietrich and Delasio.
Do you want Do you want us to you want to call and then we'll present or Yeah, sure. Um, okay. EC pres. Presinski here. Back here. Steve Stagger here. William Curts here. Uh, Paul Dietrich here. Mark
Delasio present. Okay. And I'm present. Okay. I think we only have three things that we were going to discuss. Okay. The two before the engineer gets here would be um the George Sawyer um the advertising advertising and what he's
done in the past and do we look at continuing those services um as well as the open house. Yeah. Um I thought he did a good job with the social media work. So it's just a matter of just having him continue with what he's doing. It's whatever the city desires
what they want to do. um if they want to keep it in house and just have Casey run it. I mean I mean just have George send it over. I mean if you guys if the committee still wants to have George develop the social media, he just has to push it over to Casey and
then Casey will push it up onto the website or social media and stuff like that. So it's not it's not that we just the city needed control over how and what and just verification. So, as long as George continued doing what he's
been doing, just sends it over to Casey and then she'll push it push it out through the Okay. posts. So, if I just follow up, Paul, real quick. So, the Casey was pushing everything out and and taking what George posted. So, are
we saying that that we want George to or the beach safety committee to take the social media that we have, the Instagram, and and do away with it or push it that towards Casey as well? It should be pushed out through Casey.
So, not through the beach safety Instagram because you have the website that things go out through. No, the website is is at this point it's it's going to be done. We are going to switch that over to the city. Okay. Because even if we formulated that into
a separate page, right, onto the website, right? Okay. because George also did like you were saying the Instagram and the Facebook because the whole theory is you diminish you know if it there's more viewership on one page then you're
just splitting and dividing and then people don't know where to look for certain things and it you know then you're trying to repost a post and it just becomes harder to push your message out. Be clear. Okay, that makes a difference
in what we decided to do with with George. And the other thing that we were looking at doing with George and there was, you know, the well some of the videos came to fruition, which was Yeah, which was great. Were there any more videos? I Or were we finished at that
point? I think I think fulfilled what we needed done with the videos unless you felt like I mean the videos were an improvement from what was originally. shown. So, I don't I don't foresee any other video projects we need to
undertake at this time. But maybe we could just have George stay on as a consultant maybe for the social media stuff and he can just communicate directly with Casey on what to say, what to do, and that kind of thing. I'll follow up on the email he sent to us. Yeah, I think that'd be a good way for
him to stay involved and then the city can keep it under their control with everything they want to do with Casey and stuff like that. And then George can still be our marketing voice for what we're trying to do, which I think is good because he does he has boots on the ground down
there doing some pretty good stuff. I'm taking like video of conditions and stuff like that, which is good. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, everything is going to go through Casey
um through the Kate May website. Okay. And I guess we'll move on to uh talking about open house. Uh we still want to do an open house. Kind of the same model as we did in years past. Just have to pick a good
date that would be good for everybody. There were some good suggestions last year. Unfortunately, last year it rained. Yeah. Yeah. Well, weather's we we had it on Sunday last year. Correct. We did. Sunday seems to work better than Saturday because of the
change every day. Harry, I guess we'd start with you, the 22nd, the 29th. We typically did it in June towards the end of June. after kids were out of school. I mean, best for me would be the 22nd.
Okay. Um, I'll tell you, my daughter's gradu my daughter was graduating high school on the 27th. Uh, we have a party for her on the 28th and I'll be back on the 29th. Yeah. But that that that would that's a tight squeeze, but the 22nd would be great.
Yeah. Okay. Do we want to pick maybe like a rain date if the weather's not good on Sunday, maybe do on like a Saturday, maybe or you just
want to just call it? I think we call it. Okay. I think we just call it because Yeah. So then the following week we get into the Fourth of July weekend. Yeah. And I I don't know what is everybody else's thoughts. It's crazy. suggestion for the open house would be
to make it much more beach patrol centric. Um, coming from the beach safety committee, I think what we should be focusing on is beach safety education, the things that you guys are doing with the life the junior lifeguards programs. Um, showing how you're making the rescues, different ways to approach the water. I feel
that's a better effort for promoting safety at the beach than it is of having all public safety agencies represented. I feel we may lose our message too much by having all the different agencies there when we really should be focusing on what we want to see to promote beach safety for uh our residents and
visitors. I don't know what the chief's thoughts are on that. Yeah, I mean I I I think we've done a really good job with that. I think our original thought was it's the it's the cooperation that we have between all departments that what makes what we do down there so much more effective. And I think that's I I want
to say it's not unique to Kate May, but from my understanding is yes, it is like we work better together with the fire department, the police department, and public works than most municipalities when it comes to beach safety. And I think that was our focus as the committee was really just to make sure
it's not just focused on us because we're not the only ones involved. you know, it it takes the whole city to to perform at the level that we do and give the services that we do to the to our visitors and our citizens here. So, maybe not to the extent of what you were
there in the past, maybe still be there as a presence. Yeah, I'm putting it out as food for thought. Um, uh, chief's in my opinion, I believe he's correct with the fact that fire, EMS, uh, police department, we all work very, very well together. Um and we have for the past
several probably past 15 years or so um at least in my memory we've had a outstanding relationship of uh continuation of care and uh efforts as well. So I was just uh to float it out there to see what would be the best to make sure we're getting the message out
there to the public of ways to prevent injuries. Obviously uh ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. This is true. I think the visual for having the the fire engine there and the and the ambulance, it just got the tourists and
the locals attention. Something's going on here. I mean, that was it was great when you guys were there. But Harry's Harry's guys, I don't Did we do the rescue last year? It it I don't know if it was it it just didn't seem like it was as crowded. Maybe because of the
weather. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I I think it's really just dependent on the weather conditions. If the weather conditions are good and they're comfortable, yeah, you're going to have more people at the shoreline watching, the weather's good, no one's going to want to go down there. So, really, it just depends on the
weather. I mean, the one year you I think it was a couple years before you did I mean, the demonstration was really cool. There's a lot of people participating in it. Um, I think it's just a matter of with maybe with George with social media, maybe we could put a little more press out as to what exactly
is what to expect. Maybe maybe an hour later, too. I don't know. Does that work in your schedule, Harry? No. No, I didn't think so. That's why we did it early. Yeah, but you know, which it seems like we just don't have that many people on on the prominade to see the event. I think it depends on the
weather. Yeah. Well, yeah. Prominade's packed. Yeah. With with the bikes. Yeah. I'm trying to look at the the city calendar right now just to see what else is going on. And I think we're good. There's Twilight Yoga
and Okay, for the 22nd. Yeah, I think as the time approaches, I think put together a subcommittee. We can kind of hammer out the details to get more if the weather's good with different ideas to get people down there.
Um, but I think everything that was done with with the demonstration before was very good. I couldn't really think of anything else that could have been done to make it better, I would say. So, we're right now in April, so we can What time, Harry? What's What's good for
you? We started We start at 8. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. 8 8 till 10, wasn't it? 8 to 8 8 to 10. That's good. Okay. Okay. Steve, do you want to get together and we can do a subcommittee? Does
anybody want to be involved in the subcommittee? Okay. We'll pick a good time to meet up on that. Maybe like a couple weeks before. Mhm. Okay. I do have the Do you still have
those coloring books? Some not anymore. Can Can we Can we reproduce them? We're trying. Okay. Because I have the crayons like for the kids. That could be a fun thing for them. And we could al we can do individual different
pages of it of the coloring side of it. They can they can be easily make just magnetic copies of them reproducing the whole coloring book has been started and yeah one of your guys there right and him and his son are working their way
through and customizing it more to than just a national thing specific to our problems on the beach okay see where he is with that okay uh do we want to roll into the engineers
presentation next. Yeah. Are you good to start with the engineer presentation back? We're just waiting for one other person. So, yeah. Okay. And then everybody will be part of the
kind of the committee. We can just maybe do a spreadsheet, list all the things that need to be done. Yeah. Yeah, people can can jump on and figure out what they want to Yeah, we can divide and conquer from there. I mean, we have a lot of the same stuff from last year. We have a lot of the presentation stuff, not
presentation stuff, but you know, the flags and all the various signs and stuff. So, you guys I guess Harry, while we're waiting, you want to say anything about the surf injury report from last summer?
Sure. I think I think Mike kind of summed it up pretty good. I think it's it's the numbers that were down. Yeah. And that's a good thing. That's what we want to see. We want to see numbers coming down every single year. um more refu well there's quite a few transport
transports and that's just shows the cooperation we have but really it's it's there's not a whole lot to it we collect all this data and then Mike and I have talked about this a lot and I've been mulling over all these different scenarios over the since we first had
beach replenishment on how what time these headings happen where they happen during high tide low tide mid tide big surf small smurf it doesn't really matter matter. Surf injuries happen all the time. We just saw that big increase in numbers. I think the numbers reflect
on here that we're doing a better job of recognizing the most dangerous areas and doing more education and doing more promotion to keep the public safe from getting hurt by the by the surf injuries. Yeah. Okay. Cool. There's only one real surface
injury that I see in here. Am I right? There's a lot of I mean they're all facing lower back. They're all there. Just I see Did you want to come up and start, Wendy, or do you want to wait till Janetta? There's one other person
coming. I didn't know how if you want to wait till Janetta gets here. I did. She's on her She said she was on her way. I talked to her. Yeah, sure. Yeah, social media.
minutes. Do you know So Steve things that we need to we had way too much last year. It rained as well. Yeah. Yeah. True. I keep forgetting about it's kind of tough with the you don't really you don't have not
enough. But then what we can do is once we get volunteers, you know, like big company or donuts, things like that. We can always um at that point, not take it and then they can Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? Kind of look at the
weather and see. Yeah, it was a little iffy last year. Donate to the food bank. But, you know, or Yeah, that's another good idea. Have them take it back to the firehouse. Yeah, I'm simply we could find a way to dispose of it, I guess. Are you going
to need any help with anything, Harry? You do the demonstrations and Okay. Yep. I think we should do some additional promotion on You hit it right on the head. The reason they're down is because you guys are doing a better job. And that's that's the most important.
That's the whole idea of this. We should promote that a little bit more and and let the people know, you know, nobody's wasting their time. Your guys aren't wasting your time. And this proves it. Yeah. Just have to
turn the green. closer to you. [Music] Yeah. Yeah. All right. So this is uh the team that we've got. So we have uh they kind is a joint
venture part of this uh genetics with uh act engineers. uh they were the prime consultant for us and they did a lot of the data research and then we have Wendy uh with um oh man I'm Taylor engineering
man I'm blanking on both your firms names today uh and she did the line share of all the data integration and and is really the modeling expert to see where we would after they collected all this data what would be the next steps
in trying to figure out okay what is where do we put our money and what do we have to analyze to figure out how to solve the solve or look at that issue as far as slope or how the beach is acting. So, I'll turn it over to them and let
them kind of go through what they've got for us uh to present today. And just they all have got a copy I sent them a copy of your draft report last week so they've had a time to at least read it over the weekend and uh be familiar with it.
Thank you. So hopefully you guys all enjoyed your light weekend reading. Um my name is Wendy Laurent. I'm with Taylor Engineering. I'm a coastal engineer. Um I have the lovely privilege of working on beaches every day. However, it's behind my computer screen
mostly. So uh lucky I showed up after stepping on your beach this afternoon because it is a beautiful day out there. It was a little hard to hop back in the car, but excited to be talking about this study and get you guys some results. So, let's jump into
it. Okay, great. Um, so the purpose of this scope was specifically to take a look at your beach here, um, and try and understand how it can maybe be better managed, um, focusing really on the
ecosystem, the purpose that it serves as storm hazard protection and its recreation features and benefits. I know you guys are particularly concerned about beach safety, so um, we kept that in mind as well. The key tasks that we laid out for this scope were first to
collect catal catalog and analyze uh any historic beach data so we can better understand the evolution of the beach. Um compile all of this into a timeline because everything um is intertwined. Uh, the beach is a very dynamic and
complex system. And then summarize this all into actions that can be taken um or future studies to better understand the behavior and what's going on um and how it really affects your day-to-day lives here and that of
visitors. So, you might have been reading this report um and were like, why start here? We have we don't have an answer. Uh that that's that's part of the beach. a lot of times and working with the beach. It's so dynamic. There's a lot that goes into it. Um, and I'm I'm
happy if you have any specific questions about the report to answer them. Um, but hopefully this presentation will make things a little clearer. Um, help you better understand some of the technical topics that are in there. So, why did we start here? Uh, ultimately data collection allows us to have a deeper
understanding of the site. Um the project history uh helps explain any significant coastal management decisions. Um we're able to better understand the current state of the beach, predict how it may react in the future. Um and also it lays the
foundation for future analyses now that all the data is well organized and in one spot. Um that's super helpful to launch off other studies. So talking a bit about the data collection effort. So in this effort we
collected previous studies. Uh most of that were the army corps's authorizing documents for the project. Um they really lay the foundation have a lot of information in them. You think this report maybe is long. I I strongly
recommend reading those on a weekend. Um we took a look at topographic and bathroomtric data sets. Uh these help us look at changes along the beach, the actual physical changes that are occurring. We compiled the nourishment history. This uh also gives us insight
on different design changes that have happened over the project life, what the project magnitudes have been and the frequency of these projects. Um coastal structures are a big thing. Uh they obviously interact with the beach. Um so any information we could find about
those we collected. However, there is a lot of information on these structures. So, um I' I'd suggest a further dive into this in the future. We weren't able to get everything. Uh historic storm events. Obviously, these play into the beach and how it reacts every day. Um
this wasn't the focus of this study, so we just pulled some information from Noah's database. Um this provides a really good baseline. If you got into some more complex modeling, this would need a second look at it. Um and you'll see that later in the timeline. We'll talk about that. And then water level
information. So what is your high tide um reference to a geodetic datam? What's your low tide? What's sea level rise been doing etc. So we summarized all this into a timeline. Um as I said everything builds upon one another. So um on the top it's
it's pretty empty and then you see the bottom entering into the more present day. uh a lot starts occurring. So from the 1950s to about the 1990s uh we see in those blue lines all of the significant documents related to the
projects here. Um from the 1990s to today those orange lines represent the nourishment events. Um some things to take into account there is they're quite periodic and regularly occurring. um it's about a three-year interval on
average that we're seeing between nourishments. Um along with these, we're also seeing regular monitoring through beach surveys. So surveys are being done. Those are the little purple and very light pink difficult to see lines. Um those are all different surveys that
have been conducted. And then um just of interest in Noah's database, there haven't been significant events that they've documented. um that's just based on the criteria that they're using. Uh we all know there have been some pretty significant storm events that um so
definitely a deeper dive into this would be necessary if any storm modeling is completed in the future. So talking about um some of the parameters that we analyze and why this data collection is important um for the
beach. So surveyors will go out and often collect survey data along transacts. So on the right we have a depiction of a transact. It is a slice along the beach. Um and this is allows us analyzing this data. Um we can infer
a lot of different things. We can determine what the current conditions of the shoreline are. Uh understand how the beach reacts to certain projects, a nourishment event. um if you put in a new coastal structure, we can see how the beach reacts to storm events and
also understand uh areas that might have increased vulnerabilities. If there erosion hot spot, maybe an area of accumulation. Um on the right there, just going through some parameters and terms that we might be using. So we have the dune um the back part of the beach
pretty well vegetated. Um the burm is the area of the beach that people recreate on um primarily. That's where you're going to go sit your chair down, your umbrella, and enjoy the sunshine. Um, between mean high water and mean low water. That's the inner tidal zone. And
then we get off into the near shore. So, in this study, we define the beach width as the the distance between the seawward dune toe position and the shoreline position, which we categorized as the mean high water position. So, a little bit more about
these transacts and the data. Um so there were three different data sets that we obtained. The first two were from Stockton. Those are represented by the orange and the green lines. Um and then the other one was the Army Corps
data that they've collected. In total there were 77 surveys. Um and I do want to note that there were varying coverage. So you can see these lines. This is where the data points would get collected. These are the slices of the beach that the surveyors are doing. Um,
so you can see they're different, but they are regularly collected at these same exact locations, allowing for very important comparisons. So now talking a little bit about the nourishment history. Um the project purpose in the Army Corps
authorizing documents is to mitigate for the effects of the federal channel, that's the inlet, and also provide coastal storm damage reduction benefits. Uh the sand sources historically have been either offshore sources, the inlet itself or a sand trap. So that would be
an area just north of the inlet where they manage the sediment. So it's taking a regional sediment management strategy. They know that sand would have ended up down drift. Um, so they'll dredge directly from a basin there and put it on the beach. Uh, in total there's been
17 different projects placing 7.5 million cubic yards of sand on the beach here in Kate May. You can see on the bottom left there's a figure of the different nourishment volumes. Each one of those points represents a nourishment
event. Um so between about 1990 through 2010 um on average I'd say just eyeballing the events were about 300,000 cubic yards with the exception of that 900,000 cubic yard event that was the initial major nourishment. Um and then
more recently they've actually increased up to about 600,000 cubic yards on average. Um, taking a look too, the templates have varied over time. On the right, we have each one of the beach
templates. Um, and the dark blue lines represent the most recent template that was used in 2017, 2019, 2021, and 2023. Um, the dashed line is what's used in the city's portion of the beach. When
you say template, you mean the slope? um just the the overall construction template of the beach. So um you have your beach berm up there where it says variable width that stays has stayed constant over the project lifespan. Um and then each one of those nearshore
slopes and inner tidal areas um has featured different different slopes throughout the project's lifetime. Um it's varied a little bit as the army corps has optimized the the project area. uh to get into why they changed it would be conversations with the project
managers there. Um there could be a variety of reasons increase. Yes. Yes, they have. But if when we jump to this slide next, I do want to point out though that um only certain areas of the beach are receiving sand. So um there is
a high concentration in the coast guard base there. you see um almost every single nourishment places there as that's a pretty hot erosion spot and then right at the start of the city beaches there is another location. Uh the only nourishment event that placed
the entirety of the shoreline is um the one that occurred around 1990 and um that was the initial big 900,000 cubic yard nourishment. So these placement events are very very um localized and uh
when we look at the data they they appear to be working in in their purpose of retaining sand along the city's beaches um and really providing that storm damage protection that the project is serving to do. So and that's really
Army Corps's only objective. That is their main objective is to mitigate the effects of the inlet and to provide coastal storm damage risk reduction. So when a big storm comes through such as Sandy, the infrastructure behind it is
uh hopefully saved um hopefully minimal damages and that's common throughout all coastal storm risk damage projects. So that's their purpose and their function as the Army Corps is to protect that
infrastructure. So now digging into this data a bit um and taking a look at some of our findings. So 77 data sets uh how how did we choose what to analyze from all that? Uh it's a lot of data. We we definitely
couldn't look into it all. It would have been 10 times the cost to look into every single data set. Um so um first we took a look look at the data and plotted it all spatially. So imagine this map on the left and we put all the data points
up there um organized by year turned them on and off and just took a look at what their coverage was. Um from that uh which you can see by the transexs we determined the army corps has much better um alongshore coverage from about
east to west along the beach. Uh so we said let's let's focus in on that data set. Um we also plotted cross-sections of the beach to see if we saw any noticeable trends and we looked at the timeline to analyze any significant
events. Uh you'd want to know if there's a nourishment or a major storm that's been occurring um when you're selecting this data. So now jumping into the methodology, we decided to select the 1994 data set and
then um surveys that surrounded the 2021 fill event. So the 1994 we we chose that because it was the most comprehensive historic data set that we had in our catalog that we assembled. And then the 2021 we saw some interesting trends in
the um profile plots and wanted to dig into how is the beach changing between these different nourishment events. Um and that was the most recent event catalog. Um no very major
storms in there as well as um we went from start to finish. So 2023 is right before the next event. So we took a look at this data and uh analyzed two different evolution parameters or I should say three beach
width and burm elevation are are two separate things. So the first was the shoreline position that's defined by the mean high water. So uh yeah you can see my cursor. So these dots right here um the approximate high tide line on the beach that helps us see the beach's
seawward limits um and how it's shifting. We then took a look at the width of the beach um defined by that mean high water position and the approximate doom toe and along that width we also determined the average elevation of the burm um because we were
seeing some interesting results. So we added that in um this this beach width and burm elevation they it helps us define um what is that protective buffer before we get to the dune. We we classify the dune as almost the last
reserve of sand. It's um the last layer of protection. I know you guys have a seaw wall there. Um that's that's another line of protection, but the dune is a very very important feature to the beach and protection. Uh it also provides the recreation space. So it's
really important to tourism as well. And for all these we look in both across shore, so along those slices of the beach as well as along shore to see how it's transitioning between um the different
transcts. So in the report there's lots of figures like this. Um along the bottom of the figure we have each one of these survey we call them monuments. The U monuments um stands for USAC, Army Corps.
Um and so along there we have each one of the monuments and then along the y ais here we have different variables. So this in particular is looking at the shoreline position change. Um and I wanted to point out some
features that we see in these plots and how we're analyzing them. So the orange um represents the prefill to postfill. So we see here that this is where the fill placement was. A very very sharp increase in the shoreline position as
well as right here around the start of the city's beaches. There's that um that other increase in the second placement area. One year following nourishment represented by this green line here. Uh we see shoreline retreat. So as the the shorelines eroding um that mean high
water shoreline position is getting closer to land. and then downdrift from it though we see this signature here of advance. So uh what this tells me is sand is moving from this placement area um most likely is moving straight down the beach um and advancing the shoreline
here. It's noticed here as well. We have retreat and then a bit minimal but advance right here in that one year postnourishment. Um, additionally, this dark blue is our 1994
uh to um our prefill comparison. So, how has the beach been responding on the longer scale? Um, and we see at especially um this western area of the beach a significant increase. So, the
beach is retaining sand over the long term. Um, which is great for your your city uh tourism and for beachgoers. So, um that's that's very positive. It's also providing that storm damage protection because the beach ultimately
acts as uh almost a a cushion when a storm comes in. It's it's a a sacrificial anode of sorts to protect infrastructure. So now looking at the numbers, it's clear to see that um there is an
increase in burm elevation. So here on the right is our cross-section of the beach and um there is a significant increase in the elevation of the burm. So here's mean high water down here, this dotted line. Um and the burm
elevation is increasing. That's directly correlated in the data. In 1994, the average burm elevation was 5.7 ft. and in 2023 it was 8 feet across the project area. Um, so this was really interesting to us and a feature we wanted to take a
look at to see if we could better understand. Um, and uh there's there's this sand stacking which is a an interesting signature of the beach throughout many of the profiles along the edge of Burm. Um visually we can see that there's a
bit of profile steepening but to actually confirm that or determine the reason why would need more studies. Um we need to dig into the data more because it is very complex system and there is multiple reasons this could be
occurring. It could be due to sediment grain sizes changing throughout the project lifetime. Um the beach likes to equiliiberate to a specific slope. Um, this could be due to sea level rise. It also could be due to the way that waves
break along your beach. If it's a surging wave um, breaking regime, so the water uprushes against the slope there, um, that can lead to sand stacking on the edge of the burm. So summary and looking forward, um we
compiled all of this data to really act as a starting point for um the city to better understand and manage this very complex system of your beach. Um ultimately it provides really great storm hazard protection and recreational
benefits and habitat benefits all at the same time. So um some notable trends that we saw following that 2021 nourishment and taking a look at that data um within the first two years following nourishment we see a lot of sand movement um both along shore so
from east to west and across shore so as you move offshore um and though although we didn't specifically analyze and run the numbers on this it does appear that the profile may be steepening over time um And that could be something that can
be looked at in the future. You'll see that in the recommendations. And then there's that really in interesting increase in burm elevation following construction. Um but really understanding this um would need additional studies. Um and that is
strongly correlated to the steep slope too. They're right next to each other hand in hand. Is the steep slope a function of the army course template and their beach nourishment or is it a function of those coastal processes or both or you don't know? I cannot
confidently answer that. However, that's why I gave you the I don't know. Um, however, based on the location of the placement events and them being at two very specific zones, I would lean towards it's the coastal processes that are
occurring here or the sand that's being placed, like the actual characteristics of the sand. Could be sea level rise, could just be the way the waves are moving, the currents are moving. There's so much that goes into it. Um, so it's hard to say that, but just based on
where those nourishment events have been occurring, those just two distinct areas, I don't think it's their template causing that because you're seeing this throughout the beach, but they're still increasing the template. They have been they have been the the
template near the city is one on 15, but it all smooths out eventually. It's it's eroding and moving along the beach. It's shifting fast. Um, that's what the data is showing. Within two years, that entire placement zone is it's somewhere else. So, we really wanted a smoking
gun. We we really Well, you you did put something in here that that discussed the hot spot, which was the inlet, and that's the one area that we were a little bit concerned about. Okay. What's happening with the inlet? And then you also discussed how most of the beachfill
is occurring down at that end of town up on you know one of the one of the reports. Um can you discuss that in a little bit more detail? Yeah. So, um I mean off off the top of my head, I have not dug into the Army Corps's studies
and why they started to place the stand in those two distinct areas, but from what I know and my background is um usually when there's an inlet, there's always one side that gets very strongly affected. The sand builds up here north of the inlet. So, we need to bypass that
sand to the south to keep those natural processes flowing. So the fact that there is a hot spot there just south of the jetty is no surprise to me whatsoever. Um and the fact that the Army Corps is mitigating from that with dredging events is very standard
practice. Um it it makes it makes sense. Um and that's what's done nationally and that material works its way down as evident by the widening beaches and the higher burm. Yep. just naturally, you know, just naturally working its way
down um as it would have if the inlet wasn't there. The sand would just work its way down. They're just kind of Is there any way with this when the sand makes the north and south shift, it makes the beaches much larger, but it makes the slope much higher or harder,
which is basically what we're here for, the the safety of the bthers. When you look at the Wildwood Crest beaches, they still have a nice easy slope. A lot of our children from here take their children to their the beaches
over there because there is no slope. Is there any way to to to do both enlarge the beaches for safety of the town, but also protect the people in the town when they're and and the tourists when they're bathing? Is there any way to Yeah.
So you would almost have to reshape the beach every season and it might still react and respond in the manner that it is. Um with without doing more studies such as like a comprehensive modeling
study, it's hard to predict what exactly the beach would do. Um and the fact that the the purpose of this and the Army Corps project is to protect the infrastructure um and to mitigate the effects of the
inlet. That is what the project is doing right now. It's mitigating those effects. It's putting the sand in those erosive hot spots and it's protecting the infrastructure because the beach um throughout the city is much wider than it was back in 1994. And and that's its ultimate goal. No doubt about that. It's
much larger. Yeah. to actually optimize the template. It it's possible to look at different templates, but it wouldn't be a matter of the Army Corps and their template because they're only focusing on those two areas. It would be then I most likely up to the city. But that's
when you need to engage with the project stakeholders. So engage with the Army Corps, engage with D and talk to them about, hey, these are our concerns. These are our problems. This is what we're thinking. What avenue should we take? what study should we do? Like we have these recommendations that can all
lead to different things. Um what is the best best step forward? Can I just is it like from what your data says and and the and I guess I I could summarize from that and from my take is that from the very beginning the
reason we're in this place now is because of the first event that took place that created the higher burm which changed the slope and it changed like so when you say where the waves crash on the beach correct and that dictates the
the height of the burm in terms of how fast the slope is. So from year one after the first beach replenishment that our slope went with and that's what I wish the the data would have showed that pre-slope that
the Army Corps took in their data their surveys what was our slope prior to beach replenishment. I don't think there's a way to go from what the data shows there's a way to go back even though they could change their their slope on their project because it's
already created the the the height. Yep. Right. So the waves are still going to crash inside because if you the the way the wave works is you know it crest and it could stay high until it reaches a certain depth from height of the wave to the sha the bottom of the ocean and
that's when it's going to break because now it comes in it builds it builds it builds it builds it builds it doesn't break till it hits the beach. Yeah. where prior to beach replenishment, if you look at our rock piles that are now very short, the the waves were breaking 100 150 yards away from the beach. Yeah.
At their their strongest level. So, I know there are other projects that they have done, particularly in in a couple Florida towns where at the inlet, they created a pump on the one side. Mhm. That goes underneath the inlet and
allows for that natural flow to come back in. I don't think there's a way back from where we are now from what this says because we're so far up there that it would take if we talking what was the biggest one? 900. Yeah. To to build that slope out
would be Yeah. How big? A lot. A lot. A lot of sand. But even if they could build it out, is it going to last? Exactly. There there's no You would have to build it out and then create the natural flow back. Yeah. Yeah. You could, but you'd lose all the towel space. See, that's the problem is
the the the dune is bigger and the beach berm is bigger. If you wanted to do that, you'd have to start the slope back. No, I'm not saying it would have to be like way out like Henry Ford era out where they were driving cars on a while. I understand. But you But you'd
also have to start Yeah, you would. But that's what I'm saying. You would have to go like way out. Way out. And that's what I'm saying. It's it's we're beyond that at this point. Yeah. because that that sand is no longer there because the berm started right because we're starting out here. We're not starting
here. Well, we started from zero. Like if like we go back to the the right if you started at the prominade is zero. Yeah, we could get that slope, but then you wouldn't have any Well, that's what I'm saying. We started at on that end of town. Let's let's start at the not not the Coast Guard base and even that but
like I think it was like U2 U3 somewhere in there that poverty area Wilmington area U4 there was no beach there was no beach right and from from there all the way to Philadelphia Avenue there was no beach it was you were up against the prominade so that's what I'm saying we started at ground zero so they had to
build it up and out and it was the only way they could have ever done it was to just like go hundreds and hundreds of yards out the sea right from the beginning which We said it was 900 and we were looking at I don't know who knows how much but so that was my
question like that that's how I summarized we have a lot like you said there's more studies where do they where would you are you going to get the recommendations on what those studies would be to try to help that or mitigate that part of it the slope based off of your data sets
and could like help us or help the city say all right our next step would be try this study or Yeah. So, right here. All right. Okay. We have our um potential actions for moving forward.
So, um as I said, it's a dynamic system. So, there's a lot of different things that we can look into. One is the sediment history, the different sand grains on the beach that's always changing that can affect the slope significantly.
Um, another thing um that would be helpful is to make sure that there's a very very comprehensive of future um past any information on permitting plans, specifications, all of this is super important to keep and catalog
because it it shows the background information. Having the actual plans and specs from all the rock jetties and groins out there, um that's super important because they're interacting with the beach. um they play a really important part to why is it shaping the
way it is. Um analyze the slope of the beach that's on here. Um so we didn't specifically analyze it in this study. I would ultimately want to analyze it for all of the profiles to get a full comprehensive look of the entire
history. Um that's a significant effort and we thought looking first at the data and trying to understand the system and what's happening with nourishment events would provide more useful information at this time. So that's why we went forward with that. Um assemble and catalog a
beach incident report. It sounds like you guys have that. Um I heard you mentioning that a little earlier, but also make that so it is a digital catalog and georreerenced. I don't know if you have georreerenced points, but to be able to see those points on the map with the survey information and
specifically show where these incidents are happening would be pretty important and probably helpful to you too to say like, oh, we're seeing all these incidents here this year. What's going on at the beach there at that location? Um, so that would be really really
helpful. Um, another thing that can be done is to look at post-p project monitoring to understand the evolution of Phil. So, very similar to a report of this nature, but just every year after nourishment, you you do these reports so
you have this history and understanding of your beach system. Um, conduct different modeling analyses. um most likely a sediment and hydrodnamic model because everything everything comes together and it is very complex. We have
a general understanding of where sand is moving. Um but this would help confirm things. Um once you have a model established if it's the correct model you can then put in different beach templates and say you know what if we had this template how would the beach respond? How would it react? And you get
an understanding of that. If we remove this structure, what do we think would happen? Um, or if you added a structure, or if we add a structure, what would happen? Um, what's going to happen when sea level rises in 2100? What's happening to our beach? Then you can
model all of those scenarios. It really helps support um different permitting documents, helps support conversations a lot, but it is not um cheap by any means. So it is expensive to do comprehensive coastal modeling but um
it's it's a great tool to have um if you really want to understand what's going on and then most important go ahead is to engage with the project partners. So um talk to D talk to um the army corps and make sure you also mention the
successes of the project. Make sure you recognize that yeah it is providing that storm damage protection. It is providing recreation space, but how can we make it better? What can we do to make it better and better suit your needs um as a local
municipality uh and they'll be likely to work with you? We've had a lot of success working with other other communities to get their beach template changed almost sometimes nourishment to nourishment. Um it can happen quite frequently. Um, but a lot of that stems
off of having these really good relationships with with your project partners. I understand that the re replenishment is is not unique to our area. They do it all over the place. But is the slope
unique to our area or they resolve the fact they get rid of the slope when they do this replenishment or nourishment? Yeah, each each beach project would have their own specific slope. Typically, they're based off of
historic slopes. When we're designing a project, we'll look at the historic slope of a beach and usually determine what the slope should be based on that. So, okay. Are there is there situations similar to ours that have the same problem we've had? We've had and we've
had good results as far as beach replenishment. Yeah. for the safety of the city, but we just have a problem from the water line out. Yeah. Um I haven't heard it mentioned in terms of safety, but I do work with some other beaches that do see steepening of their
slope and a lot of um they they also do sometimes have that buildup of sand at the edge of the burm and over topping and and water left on the burm. So, uh it is something that occurs uh maybe not as frequently and significantly as here.
Uh but it it does occur. Mhm. So and the safe swimming recreational ability is really not Army Corps's primary right purpose and need. It is not the project
purpose but I am sure that they would be concerned about it. They would they don't want people to get hurt. Um that's against engineering judgment is um to to design safe safe uh projects show some
correlation between the incident reports and that geospatial information with the slope or the burn width or the you know with the data then that could be a compelling you know yeah yeah I think um that's that's a relatively lowcost easy
step is is there a correlation between these is there a correlation between increased events, where are these events occurring um in comparison to the nourishment uh zones and is it right after nourishment, what years? So all of
that information if it's brought together would be probably helpful to developing a case and better understanding what's actually going on. So it sounds as if that the best one of the best paths forward would be to look
at some comprehensive coastal modeling studies and see what kind of templates can shape out to what and then present that to the Army Corps of Engineer. It might come down to that. Um, I think that an easier first step
would be to look at those beach slopes and the incident reports and if there's any information about like where where the incidents are occurring, even if it's the nearest cross street and trying to correlate that with the nourishment history, um, how the beach slope has
changed over time. And also engaging with your project partners, talking to them and saying, "Hey, we're going to do this study next. um we're interested in talking about this and if anything can be done. Um would starting a modeling
analysis such as this be beneficial? Uh there's a lot to be said about having a good relationship with your project managers there because there's different paths that can be taken when you're changing and the actual template associated with a project and some of
those can take years. Um, other times you can get it done very quickly. Um, but having those relationships is important to making sure that occurs. So, and there are certain boundaries that they need to fall within. It can't be more cost. It it can't increase any
of the major project components because that will definitely lead to a much larger federal study re-evaluation report. Um that takes a lot of time and effort and money. And money. Yeah. And that's
why possibly looking at where the birch talk with them where the beach berm design elevation at 6.7 is supposed to be and see how it matches up. Like the same way they just backpass the sand from in the lower Kate May meadows up to
the cove. Maybe there's some sloping that we can do to move some of that sand, flatten it. Because if you look at that beach profile, was it on slide 16? You know, it's almost the beach berm is sloped back towards the dune that if we
took some of that out and reshaped it down to a better ele, you know, a better slope, you know, that may be something to talk to them about. Hey, is this something you're willing to look at? We do the analysis to say, hey, what would
that how much volume of sand is that in the move? And maybe it's just a matter of instead of them pumping new sand out, it's it's reshaping some of that sand into a better slope because if the if it seems like we're growing sand outshore
on that burm. So if we can change that slope, we're kind of over the last 20 years have been filling that outshore. So maybe it's a matter of starting the width back at 250 ft and sloping it down and and
changing that profile so it narrows and and cuts out some of that slope because what what the Army Corps is going to look at is they're going to look at what their design template know they need the design template for storm protection. Yeah. And
as long as you know we have the ability I'll say to play in the sand above the design template and that's really looking at that's one reason why I kind of said hey can we plot where the design template is even on this profile to say hey is
there where's the room to play in the you know the sand above the design template and that's part of the conversation that really has to h as said that's a conversation that we have to have back with the army corps and DB, you know, and if we because we just had our renourishment last year, we look at
this and over this next 18 months, talk to them about, hey, maybe we do a little test to play with that upper beach profile to see what it does because then you can look at, hey, how does the beach
react to that sand profiling of this? Paul, are you talking about take mining the sand that's out? Let's call it a half a mile for for for numbers. Taking that sand instead of putting it on the beach, put it on the water's edge and lower the burm. Is that No, I I want to
take a I want to take some bulldozers out on the current beach and where the where the right now the slope is, if you look at that slope. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Like this. Okay. I want to I want to push some of that flat. I want to take it and flatten it out. Yeah. as
long as it's as long above the design storm template. The core is not going to let you us do anything below that design storm template without major modeling. But they may allow us to have a discussion about
moving the sand above, you know, that has accumulated over, you know, since 1994. I mean, if you look at that, right, that's the 94 line, right? Yeah. dark blue. You know, the dark blue is the lowest 94 line. So, you can see how much sand we've gained
since since then. And so that's, you know, in that in that light blue line, you can see how much more elevation we gained right out at the burm. So, every time that's steepening, let's take that tip of that burm out. Let's put
some slope on that. Whether it's would that be less less beach and better slope basically. Yes. Or or taking some of that that steepness and just push it out into the knock it out. Push it out into the ocean. Yeah. And instead of it
sitting up on the beach, let it fall down in the fil. Yeah. Because we didn't have like you were talking about Harry. I mean there wasn't a beach. Yeah. I said it's it's widened considerably and I
have seen it in in other places where they've shelfed it. So they have their their top protection and then another layer down that they tried to slide out further. But the problem is when you're out more like a three- tiered thing. It was like a high the next one and the next one is what they tried to slope.
And yeah, you would lose more of that than you would a tier two or tier three. But then how they replenished it, I think that has to that's where that modeling has to come in. we did X, which is create this tier system and spread it
out and say the next time we replenish, there would have to be modeling saying, "All right, if you do it this way and you replenish that part again, you're still keeping that tier two and tier three at at that storm protection level." That's interesting. Have there been any
beaches, east coast or west coast, where they got where it works both ways, slope and beach? I would say most projects are pretty well balanced. So I mean every every project has its
its Achilles heel. So our slope is unique to Cape May. Yeah. Every every beach's slope is different. Yeah. I saw one at Oceanside, California had the same problem that we had. Yeah. And what they did, they took the jetty that was going out and put another jetty this way and resolved the problem. Yeah. But the
difference out there is when you go out the inlet, there's 200 feet of water. the inlet here, you're getting 25 ft of water. Big difference. Yeah. I mean, it could also be the coastal structures. It might not be the sand um and the way the sand is reacting. It could be your your stone stone groins that are along the
beach. Um those are interacting with the sand significantly. And the Delaware Bay. Yeah. Yeah. And the Delaware, that's very Delaware has the same problem we have. Ocean City, Maryland has the same problem we have. I think your your environmental part of this that is the
the Delaware Bay that plays a huge role in our tides huge role in how that sand moves from one place to another and I think I think that's all part of it and we all know that we all know how that works. It's it's how we make it better for us.
And when you look worldwide a slope like this on the beach is not uncommon. It's not uncommon when when you travel outside of New Jersey. I mean, New Jersey, I think a lot of the rest of the, you know, from here north, they
have a much shallower beach, but this this beach is not uncommon. And I Florida's that way where when you walk out you have you can walk out but the only difference is we have jetties and they don't you don't see too many
jetties and and except the inlets or we have them all over the place but our jetties are basically covered for the most part. Oh yeah. I mean do you think a jetty system helps to um create a gradual more gradual slope?
Their purpose is to retain sand on the beach, which I think they are serving their purpose given that the beach has grown and stayed stable outside of those two hot spots. Um, however, they could be affecting the way the beach is
reacting and the actual slope and how tall the beach is because it's relatively stable. It's staying at that same exact um back berm elevation. It's it's the nearshore that's building up and the slope that's steepening, but uh
the fact that it's actually stayed stable is is pretty astounding. Um but the D and the Army Corps may be looking be acceptable to a try of hey for a season right before they come in and fill go in and slope that. That's a
great firm idea down a little bit and see what it does because you're right. It changed the cove a lot. If you can move some of that sand from the dune area towards the the water area, who knows? Well, if you push it down into the below the mean high water line.
Yeah. But and you have a beach management plan, right? And a beach and dune maintenance per Oh, yeah. We're in between. working. So, usually those beach management plans don't allow sand transfers. I can't.
Right. And that's why that's why you have to do it in coordination if the core does it as part of the city cannot go out tomorrow. Yeah. I can move sand within the upper the between the high tide line and north and south, but I
can't I couldn't the city couldn't go out tomorrow and push that sand down into the mean high water. Yeah, they they did that north wild would got in a lot of trouble for it. Yeah. Unauthorized. But yeah, so my so my comment would be to the city
if you're going to have additional studies done which are going to be expensive. I would agree you want to clearly communicate to the consultant what your objective is because you're asking them to figure something out for you. And my interpretation and correct me if I'm wrong here is your your need or your
want is you want your cake and eat it too. You want the storm damage protection and you want a beach that's not like this where waves are crashing and people can enjoy that. So if you my recommendation is if you choose to go forward with that, you need to
communicate the objective to the consultant what you're trying to achieve because they're going to when they're doing their modeling going to have to figure out what does that look like to have a safer, more enjoyable bathing beach and then they're going to model that and
they're going to come back to you hopefully and tell you if it's realistic to do that or not. And there might not be a good there might not be the right the answer you're looking for. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's I think we all we all came up with that. Yeah. It's just
Right. You're right. Right. So they may come back to you and say in order for you to have your cake and eat it too, XYZ has to occur and that would mean we would basically have to push the Atlantic Ocean halfway back to England or something crazy. Then at least you know that it's not feasible
because you're talking about so the initial slope. Could you just go back to the slide where you showed the different design templates? Yeah, that one. So, if you look at the first one, it was designed at a one and 125 slope.
Sorry, should blow it up for you. Yeah. Right. That was the initial design was a 1 in 25 slope and that was putting you out well beyond the 500 foot. So they change they're currently doing a one and 10 and and what's important
about that is they're not changing that slope in the main part of the city beaches because they haven't been putting sand in the main part of they're really putting the one and 10 slope up at the coast guard really just to put a essentially they're just putting a sacrificial slug of sand up at the coast
guard knowing that it's going to drift down and and come to us. The problem is they should almost stop putting some sand almost because now we're getting that uplift of sand. We need to try to figure out how to take
that bulb of sand that's sitting up in the toe of our b call it's not really the toe but it's at the very edge of the burm and we need to try to flatten that out. And I think too when you look at that cross-section,
I think again my opinion what the what the group should be tasked with is reverse engineer what does that um for slope need to be for the beach to be you know normal and safe like maybe not necessarily just like Wildwood Crest but
like that and see what kind of slope that has to be achieved to give you your cake and eat it too and then figure out is it realistic for that to be done and then maintained. Mhm. But but but but you got to realize the Army Corps is
going to want that 6.7 elevation burm at that width that they felt back when they did the initial placement of Phil that that's what they needed for storm protection, right? anything.
If you if if we ask them to to to to flatten inside of that minimum template, it's going to require us to essentially re-engineer the whole system to look at not what is how do we have to design it
to meet storm reduction and get the beach slope here. Can you So, so yeah. And if I remember, correct me, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, Lorraine, I believe that if you go through this
process and there is a solution to have your cake and eat it too, that Congressman Van Drew's office wanted that report because they would use that as the basis to then say to the Army Corps, work with them, make it happen. I guess what my understanding is that they
wanted the city to do the heavy lifting to figure it out. And if you could figure out a real solution, then it could be presented for potential funding. then come to the party. Yeah. Right. Instead of drop it in instead of dropping in their lap and say, "Hey, you guys figure it out," which would
probably take it 20 something years. You do all the heavy lifting and present a solution that's reasonable uh and and can be achieved and then presented to them. Can I can I ask a quick question just to clarify on the on the 1989 the
the the one and 25 for the the plan that was correct me if I'm wrong but that was only done from the inlet to Wilmington Avenue I I believe that's correct. So then when they came back in ' 91 they did the pump was 1 to 20. Yep. Right. And that was
the full And that's the big one. That's the 900. Yep. So, so that's a shallower slope then. Everything since then has only been hot spots. Um, and and building off of what you said is to I would engage your project partners sooner. I would talk to the Army Corps
project manager before even doing any modeling studies. And also be careful because when you do those, you need to meet all of the Army Corps specifications and having them be at the table with you
um and help make those decisions. you want to be um very very cognizant about what um different trigger points you might be hitting because if you enter into going into a re-evaluation report
that is a big big deal um and that's where you might need congressional asks and congressional funding. There are other projects where we've we've changed the template without changing the major authorizing documents. I I think if
there's a reasonable solution that can be constructed, I think in my opinion, Congressman Vander is probably in a best position to help the city at this point. And that's why I think staying within the existing design template is critical
to coming up with that conversation. Now, obviously, we're coming up close to our order authorization. I think we only have maybe three more. We're running out of recycles. So, they're going to have to restudy this whole thing anyway. But
so they gave you cake. Now you want to say we want to eat too. They're going to have to make a new cake here soon. So with that too, you want to start those conversations and maybe it's a matter of starting that conversation of our project needs to be reauthorized in
x amount of years. What I believe it was a 50y year 50-year project from the 39. So Paul is correct. If you can if you can maintain that template, if you can maintain that template that doesn't violate what their
objective is, but you're adding to it by doing whatever that they recommend to get you your to eat your cake. I'm sure it makes it easier for Congress and Army Corps to do that. In your opinion, does Congress really
care about this? I mean, let's be realistic. Your congressman will if you reach out to him. Yeah, he will if you reach out. It's their job. Uh, so they they should care about it. Um, they definitely care about the infrastructure value behind it. Yeah. Um
but again, yeah, it the government is very very complex just like the coastal system and uh there's gives and takes. So So Wendy just spent um almost a week in Washington at the um American Shore and Beach Preservation Association. Part
of that conference is um congressional visits where they go around and I went last year, I didn't go this year, but you go around and you speak to these congressional, you know, legislative leaders. Um that organization turns 100 um next year and it's coming back. It
started um with Mammoth University is where it started. Um Stevens, no not a university. It just started with I think it was different members of Congress and it was up in um Long Branch Long Branch,
New Jersey 100 years ago. it's coming back to New Jersey for the 100th um anniversary meeting um which will be in Atlantic City. Um so beach nourishment, beach dunes, all of those coastal processes are especially in New Jersey
are forefront of and you know it's going to be an opportunity for you know national coverage. So definitely an opportunity there for some some lobbying and business development and you you definitely want to engage your congressman. I can tell you through personal experience recently and ongoing
for some other local shore towns that if you have an Army Corps project that you can engage the congressman's office and you will be heard and your project could be modified. Yeah, Andrew's got a really great chief of staff and he's like he's on it. Yeah.
He gets it. He understands. So I we sat at a table with the Army Corps went from we can't do XYZ to they're relooking at it. Yep. Because they've done a really good job as far as making our beaches but bringing them back. I mean that's and that was their
that was Yeah, I understand. Yeah. And that's Yeah, but he's going to shoot but I say call Yeah, we we could have the greatest beaches in the world, but people won't go in the water without getting hurt. Beaches do us no good. Yeah. He's probably going to shoot me for saying this, but Cole hadn't.
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, talking about the successes is key. Everyone likes to hear, "Thank you so much. It's performing great. We have great tourism. People are enjoying the beach." So, Exactly. Exactly.
Um, this power can that be sent? You can send it to the I didn't want to send the PowerPoint to give you all the the tidbits, but at least you you but but everything that everything that's in this presentation
that's is in there. Yeah. Everything is there's really nothing there's not really read the whole thing first. I want you to read the whole thing. This this is the shortened condensed cliff notes. Exactly. It was. So really what the next step is
committee's got to get some thought and direction of what request that you want to have to council to find out what monies that they can allocate towards a second phase of this project.
Um, but I think we would need some D and ask for Wendy to say, "Hey, this is what we want to prioritize like a one, two, three type thing." I mean probably the first step is engagement with you know you know allowing Wendy myself Janetta
to go meet with you know the Army Corps D have some meetings and figure out okay here's our data here's what we're thinking here's what we're seeing what are you open to you know those discussions that they talked about that's probably the first step and then we got to figure out what they're going
to be acceptable to to come up with step two is that probably our Yes, there's definitely some lowhanging fruit. The the meetings with the stakeholders, you know, or the partners, um the cross referencing with the um with the be, you know, with the safety, you know, the
incidences. Um there's definitely some lowhanging fruit that can be done really cost-effectively. Um but once you get past that and you get into modeling, then then you know, like Mark says, we want a really clear um you know, what question are we answering? we want to,
you know, and then you can write a proposal for for that modeling, but it's it's not cheap. It's a it's a ton of work, you know, and and models are only as good as the information that you input. So, you know, and you want to make sure that you
select the correct model. Um, well, that's where you not me. We've got people for that. So, um, but making sure too that you get the model that you're able to put those coastal structures in, you're able to put different beach templates in really
well, um, represent the hydrodnamics of the area. That's really critical. You don't necessarily want that cheap model. You want one that can do it all and be adjusted and tuned to serve different needs. So, maybe even ask the
congressman to help subsidize it. Yeah. Well, that that funding from the congressman won't be at least until next year because we've the ask for the congressman this year is for funding for our desalinization plant. So, so really
think you're a priority straight. I I I think that ask is the ask for this year. that a strategic that's the case icy there. So I mean I think obviously you know we're going have to discuss with council and see what you know within our
capital budget um to see out of the beach utility what we can maybe fund through some capital expenditure you know pre pre-planning funding can be spent out of capital money. So, um, I'll I'll talk with, uh,
Wendy and Janetta and get some proposals on at least some next small steps to get us to some conversations with the our stakeholders if that's unless you guys want to mold this over. We can have another meeting next
month and, you know, hash it out and figure out a game plan. I think it would be beneficial to kind of just have a a meeting after all this and just kind of filter through the data and kind of go over the notes and the talking points and stuff. It sounds to me that you're going to have to get a team to go meet
with all the stakeholders and figure out what the D and Army Corps will accept as far as modeling templates and stuff like that, which is going to determine the cost of the whole project, which there's a shot it could be subsidized
by by Congress possibly if we that's if see that would be waiting till next year's federal funding, which then it's always, you So, we would ask about this time next year and then you get it that year after. So, if if we're waiting for
federal funding, it's it's you're talking about two years before you would have authorization to have anybody do anything. Got it. Whereas federal funding, it might be too late. Well, it's not too late. I mean it
it's you're you're we're staying with status quo for another two years before we even have a an inkling of what what could be right or not. When's the next nourishment event? Well, it was in two
2023 or it was this last year, right? Yeah. Very soon. Yeah. No, three. It's been occurring approximately every three. three. But yeah, these conversations have to start early. We
often initiate these conversations two years in advance. Yeah. So that's this might still be two or three nourishment events out, but um given that the Army Corps is only placing sand in certain areas, they're likely not going to
reshape the whole beach. That would be likely a city expense, direct city expense. But if they can get us to authorize it, yes, they're still they're still a very important player. So that's the hard for
the city standpoint. It'd be easy for easier for the city to fund a project like that to go out there and mechanically reshape our beach. if if the Army Corps and the D gave us authorization to do so because
for us to go out and get the permits to do that work, that's a big hurdle that we don't really want to try to accomplish. Okay. Does anybody have anything else they want to bring
forward? Okay. Um well, thank you for your presentation and I guess we'll probably talk it over as committee is what next steps we want to do. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Very informative, very uh a lot of material to digest and kind of go
over but it was extremely helpful. Yes. So I have got more. You want to read more? So the other 98 pages of I read it and I was like what is that? What's that mean? Like you got to put a definition in there for the for me for the lay person. So the other thing would
be is are you okay with this report being finalized to send to council as a final report to present to council? The only question that I have is the profiles exactly what you were saying profiles prior to the replenishment that
you could possibly add to that. I can look at the data and see the coverage on it. The army cors Yeah, we we chose the 94 profile because of the coverage. I know that there might be
older profiles, but they it might just be like three of them, not 20. So, they don't they don't tell that full story, but I we can easily plot those up and just add those as a an additional file. Um, even even if it's shown on the like
on your sheet 16, even if that's shown on that profile of what the the pre Yeah, pre um available. I I don't know without looking at the data. So, weren't you able to There were some that you weren't
able to include in there. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. There were some that we decided not to include. Um, and it would either be because it was only three of 20 profiles or they didn't extend far enough offshore, they had gaps in them.
So, there's a variety of reasons we selected than ones that we did. Um, but that doesn't mean that other data is bad. Um, it still provides useful information, but in terms of the whole beach system, it wasn't comprehensive enough. So, I'll dig up what we have um
and see if we can just make another file that shows those for your interest, especially that pre991 Phil like what did they survey prior to doing that? Yeah. Yeah. Getting the data was because that's the big one. Yeah. Well, that's that's what the holdup was. So, it
really wasn't their firm. was getting the data from right yeah it was a nightmare and then at some point it's like all right that's as much as we're going to get in a reasonable amount of time you know which Army Corps did pretty well actually they provided their data pretty timely all their files
pretty well organized um so that was good um but we wanted all the data before we did the analysis to make sure we were selecting the best set but if you have any questions please feel free to pass them through Paul. Um happy to answer
them. So any comments or revisions you want other than that additional you know template then um you could give us a month we want to get come back go through everything before Yeah. Yeah. if you can get that information. Yeah.
Yeah. I'll just provide a separate separate little document that has that small request um for you to digest. Very thorough. Thank you. You're welcome. right there. All of that information. It was a lot there. She's a
rock star. Yeah, I like the beach a lot. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you very much. Well done, ladies. Um, yeah. So, I guess we'll have a little follow-up discussion maybe independently, and we'll meet up next month and kind of discuss what direction
we want to take. But beforehand, I think we can have a smaller group kind of come up with some talking points and then go from there. And then um we can make a recommendation to the council after that. Do we want to make our meeting for
the 19th since the 26th? The 19th of May. Yeah, we'll have to check with um just to make sure. Uh yeah, as of right now, um that seems to be a good time. Okay. Okay.
Give us enough time to kind of go over things. Okay. I guess we'll make a motion to adjourn. Okay. Four topics.