No, because it's being recorded as we speak. Is the camera camera's on here just in time for the national anthem or the the national anthem? You going to sing? Everything's on our pledge. I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which
it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all for all. All right. Welcome, Paul. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. That's what I try to do. Morning everybody. Um seems uh I don't know if
you noticed uh they public works worked with our line striper. They removed the um the bike sharer lanes out in front of the rusty nail the other day. So that's been restriped in that area. Um project moving forward. You can see
uh new crosswalks. So, we're installing brick crosswalks across Washington Street at at um Franklin, Victoria Tower, and up at Ocean. So, they'll have uh the brick crosswalks and uh before
So, just like the paint, it's not real brick. No, no, that's real brick. A real brick. Real brick. Wow. Yeah. The county did the county did the painted stuff. We did We did real brick. We did real brick. Yes. So, we did do that. Awesome. Um, and then hopefully I'm still waiting
for the line tripers to paint the rest of the um, uh, crosswalks down Washington. Um, and then they also have to come up and finish up the parking stalls up at Cove. Okay. Um, to work on the prominade, it's moving along. Uh,
they'll be breaking for obviously Memorial Day weekend, but then they'll have be here for like another two weeks after Memorial Day weekend cleaning up and finishing up for the season. And then they'll be back to finish the whole prominad in the fall. Okay, Paul, they're really flying along with that
project, too. Yeah, they're they're doing really really solid work. It's great. Thank you. I'm sorry. What are they doing on the prominade? Doing the rehabilitation. Okay. And then in the fall they'll come and actually repave pave it. And then probably the following
spring about this time they're going to put the coating over the asphalt similar what they did between Primal and Convention Hall with that gray coating to kind of soften it a little bit, make it a little bit cooler to walk on. Okay.
We'll come back in in this that the spring of 26 to put that coating on. Was there um a long-term plan to extend the prominade towards Poverty Beach? So that we are we've had conversations with FEMA
um and both of our um our legislative federal legislative team uh Vanrew uh and Senator Booker and Senator Kim's office. uh the project we will be receiving funding to extend the
seaw wall in in the tune of $24 million which is about 75% of the cost. Um so that project will probably I mean depending on how long FEMA's review that could go out to bid for to start next winter or this coming winter. All right.
Wow. Sounds great. How long does the project last the start to finish duration? We haven't sat down and I mean I would anticipate 18 months. So the the I mean we can anti residents should anticipate a summer season of
construction on the seaw wall from Madison to Wilmington, right? Just like it would be at Beachville. You know, there's going to be beach activity up there for at least one summer season. So whether it's the summer of 2026 or the summer
of 2027, we're not quite sure yet. But that's okay. Because otherwise, if we broke and and stopped for the summer, that could increase the cost. The same reason why when we do the Army Corps projects
with the Beachvilles, we don't have them stop and for different timing zones. That's how you get the best pricings. And when you're talking about a $30 million project, if you're saying,
"Okay, I'm going to increase it by 20% just so I don't I take the summer off." Those are real dollars and the city just can't afford those kinds of exponential costs increases, right?
Okay. And we have a sidewalk project that will be going out in the fall. In the fall. That's still on schedule, too. What does that include, Paul, for sidewalk? So, it would be sidewalk repairs. Um, we're prioritizing right now uh Columbia Avenue um and
Virginia. Um that kind of will create a corridor from essentially one end of the town up into the other end of the town as far as getting a good sidewalk path for pedestrians. As well as uh we've been working with the Shade Treat Commission. There's a lot of oneoff
locations where uh there's sidewalks that have been uplifted that you know that have been identified through the shade tree process that we're going to take care of some of those sidewalks. And uh we're going to go out for bids to
a sidewalk repair. Yep. Yes. And then we do have on Mon or Tuesday's council meeting uh I did work with uh GPI the consultant that did the safe streets project. Uh they worked around some of their proposals. Um so we are going to
make a recommendation to uh so that they can apply for at least one of the grants that we talked about in the process. So they're continuing. They're going to continue. Yeah. Well, as long as council approves and and that budgetary money
was within the the match amount that we had set up for that project anyway. So, um what about implementation or the plans? Well, you can't implement it until we right until we do it. So, the next stage with them is is they're going
to be preparing an application to get additional grant funds. Okay. Paul Paul Lafayette Street Park. They put the sidewalk in from broad. Yeah. So, is that going to be usable? Yes, that'll be So, yeah, they as part of the nature
trails, um they they've extended the side a sidewalk from the corner of St. John and Broad down to the nature trails. Um and as far as the the Lafayette Street park project, there's a sidewalk that runs from the trails straight out to Lafayette Street. So,
that will all be an interconnected way. and then they'll also have a connection into the school. So, um that that was going to be critical so that when we construct the police station um the the children that are
walking won't have to come up and around uh down St. John to Lafayette past the construction project and and mess with that. they'll be able to go right from Broad Street right down the sidewalk behind the project and kind of have a a safe route to school uh for for the
walking for them as well as the public will then have another way to access the trails during that construction project. Are you is it on target to access the trails out on the meadows there um by Memorial Day? I think that's what you
told us last time. That's what we're targeting. Um, I don't know if Steve wants to make an announcement, but part of our pay part of the mayor's wellness campaign, we're doing monthly walk-in talks. And so each council person is picking a month and walking with
different department heads and inviting the public to come and walk and talk with a council person and some city department heads. Um, and uh, Councilman Bodner is is this month and his walk and talk is next week. Next Wednesday. next
was it next Wednesday at 1:30 and uh we are going to get a a sneak peek at the nature trail. So, if you're wanting a sneak peek or if you if if you haven't seen some of the I know Mayor Mullik and some different people have put some um
drone shots and different videos online, but if you're looking to get a sneak peek walk uh up onto the nature trails, uh Councilwoman Bodner will be leading us on a uh a walk over to that meeting at uh the parking lot at St. John and
Lafayette around 1:30 uh for for a nice afternoon stroll on the new nature trails. So Paul and I had a chance to talk about that. I was glad that I knew that I was going to have an opportunity to do that wellness walk next week. Um had a chance to pick any place in Kate
May as far as where to do it. And we talked about it and said, "Do you think will the nature trails be open? Can we um can we have it there?" And um it's not going to be it's not going to be fully open. There's there there's actually a small section. They're still waiting for some material to get in, but
uh there's sufficient enough that we could be able to walk down the path and up out into the meadows and see the meadows um to to have a a good walk. So, extend that to everybody here. If you want to if you want to come next next Wednesday, as Paul said, 1:30, that's
we're going to meet. So that's a that's a chance to um come out and walk around um get literally get the lay of the land, right? Yep. Excuse me. As far as the individual homeowner who has a broken sidewalk that needs repair, will
they still be responsible for 50% of the costs? Yes. So that's not changing. That's not changing. But do they make an application individually and considered by usually Well, it's usually part of the shade tree commission process. Yes, they have they got to work through the shade tree
commission. Okay, Paul, u if I could just just um I'm sorry if I could just add you you had talked about the prominade. Didn't want to skip over um as well the other work that's going on on the beach as far as with the beach mats. You might want to bring everybody up to speed with that. So, so uh public
works started on Monday laying out the next section of ADA mats out on the beach uh going from essentially Howard down to Madison. Uh I think they're about a block short right now of of Madison. Um and so essentially you'll be
able to walk out on the beach on the uh the beach access mats for the full length of the prominade. Um so you if you want to make a circuit, you'll be able to make a little circuit down on the beach and then up on the prominade and make a loop out of it. Yeah.
A question. And as a just as a reminder to everybody listening on YouTube, bicycles, skateboards, rollerblades are not permitted on the beachwalk. That was my question. It's just not wide enough to be to be out there safely. So just I
just want to remind the the public that, you know, we will be, you know, asking them to to to to not be there. The same way we don't ask for bicycles at certain times of the day on the prominade. It just it's not safe. Um because down in
the access map it's just not wide enough. Is will that be posted somewhere? It is posted. Is it at at each at each at each beach access it is posted that no bicycles beyond this point essentially. Good. That sounds
great. You know, I had the opportunity to do the um revolution rail thing with my family. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm looking across the meadows and I see all this um act uh the the beach the meadow walk
the trail. I mean, I'm thinking that's the school. That's that new walk. I mean, it's pretty extensive. It is. Yeah. There's four there's four observation platforms out there um to be able to sit out there. There's two osprey nests that are right there close
to be able to to watch and take a look at. Um so, it's it's it's a great It really is. It's a great spot. Um, this past week after these little bit of rains, the gnats are a little bit unbearable out there. So, be prepared for um some wetlands. You're you're in
you're in the the nature in the wetlands and um the gnats and the and the mosquitoes um they're not afraid to come visit you yourself. Go out during a breeze. Yes. Yes. So, um so that entrance from Broad
and and St. John, um the only path access is that sidewalk. And how wide is that? No, there'll be two accesses. There'll be there'll be a sidewalk from Broad, the corner broad in St. John, and then there's also a sidewalk out at Lafayette
Street that goes straight back in. It's essentially Was that I think that's Queen. I think it's just just down, right? Just almost opposite of Queen. It's not lined up right with Queen, but it's just right there with Queen. And how wide is it? Six feet. Six. Um, and so there's no
other gravel car path or anything like that off of I guess that's where the police department comes in. In other words, there's no back access to the parking lot or anything like that. What parking lot?
Well, is there going by the uh behind the police station there's going to be a parking? Yeah, eventually there'll be eventually there'll be a a large parking lot for Lafayette Street Park that you'll have access to. So, is there car access at that area um on the corner?
Well, today you can park today you can park at St on St. John at the St. John lot once the construction activities stop for the summer where we allowed people to park in on the Lafayette Street grass slot on the Lafayette Street park in the grass. We're going to
open that back up so that people can park going forward or just for now? Well, once the construction I mean I can't have you park there now because there's construction activity. No, I'm I'm talking for this summer you'll be able in the future. Well, the plan in
the future is there's going to be basketball courts, pickle ball courts there, restroom and parking. Okay. So, that's the that's the long term. So, the parking is behind basically behind and on the corner of um land parking. The
the parking actually runs from Lafayette Street all the way back. If you look, there's plans online. If you go to the Okay. on the city website up at the top the scrolling link for construction projects. If you scroll down, the the it has a full set of plans that shows the layout of it. I guess quickly I was just
wondering if there's going to be car traffic by that sidewalk. Yes. in the back. There's a entrance to the parking lot next to the new building that's going to be built between the path. Okay. The building, but it's cut off by there's a grassy area between there's a
there's curbing just like every other parking there'll be Yeah, there's two entrances to the parking lot. Can you send me that? It's it's on the website just Yeah, he's looking at it on the website. That's right. Um yeah, it it you have to have two exit
entrance to the parking lot. Did you guys decide what you're going to do in terms of u pay for parking in that lot? And and I I don't I mean it hasn't been finalized and discussed what's if if that'll be a pay lot or
not. I mean there's a good I mean there's a likelihood that it won't be paid because I think that's going to be the encouraging part is hey that's a overflow relief area to encourage people to park there just like we encourage people to park at the
school um and getting people to park down that way to help relieve congestion whether it's on Beach Avenue or the around the mall that's where you know it's not that far of a walk. No, I mean even really from walking to city hall,
it's a nice park today. It's not a That's where I park. It's an easy It's an easy walk. I mean, you're you you have pros and cons to doing it and don't because people leave their car then people want to say use the dog park or play pickle ball. They're temporary that
then there's no spots and then if you do pay then you you're paying $10 to play pickle ball. But I I mean I think so I think history will show that it's not going to be over parked except on those busy Fourth of
July the Christmas parade. You know what I mean? Th those those really big event days that that we have really large crowds in town. I mean, I'm I'm at the dog park every day at like four o'clock and I can tell you on the weekends even now that parking lot's full and the people
are parking still on the field doors open. So, but I think last summer we did not see that grass field full except for some of those really busy weekend really the the big holiday type weekends or obviously on the Christmas
project. It's great and all the amenities. I I think I think people are now starting to see it's been I mean obviously predated my tenure but you know 10 15 years of waiting we're now the city's now starting to see this
progress and and I anticipate so I'll just give you a little update. We anticipate the police building starting construction this fall. It will be completed by I'll say spring of 27.
Wow. So 18 months and 18 months and we will start construction on the that that last phase of Lafayette Street Park during the winter spring of 2027. So that the
hope would try to be I mean I don't know if we'll be able to get it that close you know that we can try to get that last phase of Lafayette Street Park open before July 4th of 2027. So so that's you know essentially two years from now
you know we should have a completed Lafayette Street park police headquarters complex. So the sequence is you're finishing up the sidewalks, the botchi, the dog park, you'll close the dog park, you close the parking lot,
you'll start in the fall, you start building that building and the parking lot. Well, the parking lot would be at the tail end because the parking lot for the Lafayette Street Park is the staging area that I need to build the building. So soon as I don't need that staging
area and really for the police station building is when I'll let that contract for that parking area and the rest of the park. Will you allow people still to park on the field while that's occurring or everybody has it's going to I know
you probably during that that's going to be a real fluid situation and really it's going to dictate on what does the contractor need. Yeah. it would there's a space he's because he's they will take priority over what what their needs are because the priority will be at that
point is getting the police station building completed. Well, it's a great project and thanks for doing it. So, in addition, the field had been has been essentially the deacto parking lot for the the library as well, but now there's
additional parking. So, because the paving the paving has been completed as far as what the park the the the city parking lot with the additional spaces right next to the but the but the city city hall parking is really not for the library. Um that's for city business
official city business only. Um, we are next Monday starting where we next to AM Church, there'll be a parking lot with about 8 to nine spots that will be available for library patrons to be able
to park and and walk across the street. Am I wrong? Is aren't there a couple spots directly opposite the the library entrance door as well? I thought I thought there were a couple handicap disabled. There's handicap, but that that those two spaces are actually for will be for staff. Now that we've re
relocated, it's for staff for the library. Okay. I saw that they were um disabled spots and I thought there's two disabled spots. The two disabled spots, yes, they are spots for the library, but the other two non-disabled spots, excuse me, are for library staff. Okay. I just mentioned that cuz I know that there's
been um for for a number of people that the uh the Lafia Street lot is close enough, but it's still if you have mobility issues, it's still a bit of an issue. And I know some people have commented about having that access. So if anybody's listening, there's are a
couple spots there now that are open up for Well, we'll have you'll have about eight or nine spots across the street at the church. Yep. To park at. Yeah. Is that the um where where the old CC that you took down? This where the CCA the former CCA building was. That's where we
took that down. That'll be a parking lot. And that's all you can get on there. It's about eight nine spots. I mean strictly for parking. Yep. Great. Um one other question. um down by the cove going down. I took a drive down there and it seems like you've taken all
the um meters out and so is that correct? And so you'll start doing the app. Is that what the plan is? Well, you could always use the app. I'm sorry. You could always use the app in there. You don't you didn't have to The meters are gone, right? And we'll be putting kiosks down. So, the similar to the kiosk we
have at the Jackson Street lot and on the back side of both Carpenter and Lyall Lane, uh we'll be putting at this point probably four. So, we're going to be putting two down between Broadway and the Cove and then there'll be two up closer to Convention Hall. When do you
anticipate having those up, Paul? The kiosks. I mean, I know they're do contracting. Yeah, shortly. Okay. I mean at this point there is a need for it because that area you can't park there because there's Yeah. The construction activity is going on. Yeah. Yeah. The
the the construction works going. So it's just going to be coordinated with when they're cleaning up and moving off popping in the kiosks and and really as part of that prominade project we will be opening up. They just constructed two new ADA ramps in that section between
Grant and um Broadway. There's two new uh or I'd say between Grant and Second. Uh there's two new ADA ramps to get up onto the Prominade in that section where there was no ADA ramps prior prior. I have to
say I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just because it's part of the construction project. They look they look really wide to me in a in a good way. They look um they look wider than than some of the others. They're probably not, but I just I think maybe it's just such a dramatic difference from what was there. The
narrow stairs that were, you know, that were there and seeing just the just the ramps that are there. They look really um really good. Um regarding the kiosk, I imagine city's always really good about putting out information to the public as far as when something like that is is is installed.
I'm sure we're going to have something on social media and something on the city website to just be able to inform the public as far as just when those kiosks are up and where where they're going to be located as well, just to make it convenient for people. Yep.
Then I have one more somewhat personal question, but also from my neighborhood. With all that construction going on starting at the police uh for the police station, um are are you intending or at least considering that all the staging
area would be in that big lot, you know, the grass lot rather than a lot of trucks and stuff going back and forth to the permit parking lot in we won't be storing any equipment on Bank Street for this project. Good to know. Thanks.
Okay, Paul, I have just under old business there in front of you. Um I rather than me ask you about them if you could just go down the line. Um the safe route to school thing, I don't see any activity with
bike lane. Uh yeah, I I'll have to reach I'll have to reach back out to Bob Church. That was a county project. Yeah. So I don't I'll have to reach Pennsylvania County Road. No. Okay. But they they were implementing all the safe streets. The city did not have any safe streets
uh funding to do safe streets roads project. That was a grant of some you know it's been going on for a long time and uh yeah we'd like to get that if we could get that up and running because
it's a it's a safety issue. So yeah. I'm sorry. You said um you were asking about the um bike lanes or Yeah. Safe route to school from the Coast Guard base all the way to the school. For some reason, they didn't do it. They didn't do it. Yeah.
And it's important. Very important. Yeah. Paul and I had an opportunity to talk about that uh this past week as well because I actually went um before that I went and actually reviewed the the the plans for um for them after our last our last uh meeting.
construction plans did not that's what I'm saying none of the city projects had any which surprised me because I knew it was a subject of dis of discussion and it predates my being on city council I don't know I don't know what happened it
may have predated as far as some of those final decisions you're being city manager it predates 2023 so but but I do think it's um just as Jeff said I think um that's a critical route for um for the school traffic uh Sorry. The co
Yeah. school traffic for uh for the Coast Guard um community. Additionally, it's a it's just a a fantastic route to traverse between uh Madison and Pittsburgh simply because of the width
of the road and it's pretty much I mean it's an ideal uh area to have bike um a bike lane in there simply because of the width of the road. So if we could do that I and candidly I think it would also it's safer for cyclists but I think
it also would I mean unless the county has funds and as part of their project it's nothing that the city has funds to do or would have to apply for a grant to to do it. So I think it's something for us to keep on our list as far as communicating with the county certainly.
Um, and at some point it's it's noteworthy for for us as well at least to take into consideration as far as if there is funding available for it at some point. Mhm. And then you had under there I mean I think I hit all the
projects. They're all part of what I talked about, you know, so they're GPI will be applying for at least one of those. So the other ones will just stand aside. I updated the sidewalk project. Um the First Avenue bike bridge. Uh we're coordinating a
meeting with um trying to get in front of the county open space program to see about grant funding. So I believe we're trying to coordinate a meeting possibly next week. Yeah. Um I think it's the 19th. I didn't get confirmation. Confirmation. I didn't get confirmation.
Right. That's that's the target. Yes. So we're just waiting for when we can get to the county to see about that project. Um, you're going to say I got bike map funding. Um, yes. Um, I
sent you a couple emails. Is there is how would we go about getting the funds to pay the printer to Well, you got to get me some quotes and figure out where the rest of the money's coming from besides just the city funds because I don't think I had it budgeted for all of that. But I'll
have a approved budget. Hopefully council approves the budget on Tuesday. Um so that's more of a question for Councilman Bodner. Um but uh as long as council approves the budget. Two of you. Yeah. And then
probably a week later we can get access to those funds and you know start looking at it. So um yeah. So we we need to get a a quote quote and go from there and talk to West Kate May and and Yeah.
All right. Because the the map uh sort of if we don't have one then then there's nothing for people to use. And so I think it's critical that we get that out and modify it the way we thought we were going to. Funny enough,
Congress Hall, um, Curtis Bashaw, I guess, from him. There is a map at Congress Hall, a little fold up map that they have that's pretty clear. It's a good one, but just as a backup, but we're not going to order as many as we did initially because we figure more and
more people are using their phones. But we'll get a quote. Um, um, I just cut back. No worries. I I just have a question on the top three implementation
projects. Are are each of these defined as an actual project? I mean, is there a project plan? No. Manager, not as we've talked about this, we have to apply for a grant to get funding to implement those plans. So, um, I was able to get GPI to work their numbers and they
revise some of their stuff and so that their council on Tuesday has a resolution to authorize them to start to prepare the grant application to get funding. So, I mean, yeah, those are all projects, but they're not projects until I get funding.
And you need and you need external funding. You're not looking for any? I have Yeah, I have I have I have no city budget money to fund those projects at this point. Okay, just a clarification for instance with the safe route to school these plans
have to get the money and if you don't get all the money then they kind of cut back is maybe is that what happened with Pennsylvania Avenue? I don't I I wasn't here so I don't know. I have no idea. But the process usually is you make the plan and then you get the grant money.
Obviously the only thing Paul is saying is that he needs to get the grant money to do the study to create the plan, right? Because that's what we talked about was updating the Cape Island bike plan. You know that there were three distinct projects that we discussed,
right? Each of those would require three distinct applications for funding to implement. And it's not to implement them. That's really just to design to design it. Then you go out and then you apply the next time to go get
construction money. So that's what I mean and we we all do understand that that was that's what that action plan was about. The action plan the action plan was to create what projects Yes. we should go after. Right. So, that's the it's like a three-step process. Now that
we know what plans we want to go after, now I got to get money to to design those plans. And then once the plans are designed, then I have to go try to get money to implement the plans. So, it's it's it is
a it is not a short process. Um and um you know obviously if city council wanted to add one of those projects into the capital budget as a standalone city
wanted to pay for the project. We could. If you looked at my capital budget presentation, there's a pretty robust list of projects that the city was implementing. I'm not sure if council would want to add or add a
project on there or not, but that would be up to city council to or, you know, to Steve to kind of work with council and me to add that a project if we wanted to fund the project through city capital
funds. This process, we're trying to use federal funding dollars to pay and to implement these projects. No, thank you for your patience. No, it's it's it's it's your patience that I need. It's everybody's patience. I I I have I sort of have to keep this on on the old
business thing or else I'll forget about it. Sure. So, um and this is a significant step, the res the resolution and going forward to get that grant for this particular application. I mean, it's a it's a significant step in in
that process. So, um, as Paul said, I think you just got the proposal, I think, from GPI. So, we're moving as we are moving as quickly as we possibly can at this point to try to get to get the resolution on before before city
council. So, you just got the information from GPI just uh and the the resolution is scheduled to be presented to um to city council in this coming week. Okay, that sounds good. Then then one more question on
that. Who is who is looking into each one of these projects? Is it is that you as to where we might get some money to design these projects? We only have two places to get money. I can apply to the federal government through this process.
Yeah. Or the city pays for it out of their capital improvement funds. Those are the only two. There's not a matter of looking places there. I I know where to look. And and and at this
point, we are making an application to the federal government to to get the design for one of those three implementation one of the three implementation projects. If council so chose to fund one of those projects individually, they could, but they would
have to use their capital funding to do so. Okay. Well, again, and currently it's not on the list for this year's capital budget to implement one of these projects at this point. All right. Well,
I'm sorry. I'm being a pest here, but what's going to happen between now and let's say our meeting in September? Nothing on each one of these four things. nothing except GPIs will hopefully be authorized to to to work on
one of these grant applications and get it submitted over the summertime. But other than that, that's a council decision. Then if they wanted to include something in the capital budget to fund one of these projects, yes, that would ultimately be a a
council discussion. So really between now and September, I'm going to besides saying, "Hey, we've submitted a grant application for one of the projects, there will be no other update needed because there's nothing else I can do." Right. Gotcha. Right. Thank you. Unless
unless council puts funds in their capital appropriation, which at this point I haven't requested it through council, and you know, Steve and I can have a discussion offline about whether or not we want to or not. But I mean, well, I guess there is a project. So,
there is a cost share for the First Avenue bike pedestrian bridge. So, to the extent I do have a project that is on this committee's radar that is in the capital budget. Yeah. Yeah. It's I
mean there's um you know there are two ways as Paul said to go about you know getting the the funding for this and we at this point as far as with the the city funding as far as with the capital
projects um the bridge project is is on this year's list. I mean there there's a number of competing priorities to get to get on the list. I mean, I know we would all like to get all of our projects done and I know maybe
um and we may all have our own individual take as far as what should be the number one um top priority, but um you know at at this point I know that the focus is working to see what we can do as far as to try to to to move
forward with the the with the federal um to see what federal funding we can get. Um it doesn't mean we can't continue to have discussions with you know for for other funding a diff funding it differently as far as a capital project with with city funding but right now I
mean we do have a pretty ambitious program of capital projects for this this year that are already being and we included the first avenue bridge because obviously partnering with West Kate May they jumped on it as you know it only
made sense to leverage a work with Kate West Kate May and doing that project moving it forward as compared to saying okay West Kate May sorry we're not doing that let's work on speed humps on Washington or or one of the other traffic measures within
town that has good merit you know that you I mean so I think everybody decided that was going to be the best way to leverage dollars to get a project on the ground sooner rather than later because of we can get open space, county open
space funding for a project, whereas we can't get county open space funding to implement a bike plan or to do some of these other projects. So, it's it's just a matter of leveraging what dollars we have. Sure, Paul, just probably didn't know this, but we're also we're going to
look at going to NG DOT with their excess funds for their Yes. local aid. So theoretically your capital budget will stay because we're hoping, right? We're hoping. So we'll see what happens with that. Yes.
And we'll take that money and do another little specific I guess specific. involved that you're that's but but if I can but if that money will stay in the capital and then I can earmark that for another you know we talked about maybe we look at the
um traffic movement between um bank across the bank up to Lafayette and across the Decar. you know, that could be something that I could move some of those fundings around to help hire an engineer to help design a smaller
project just to help reidentify and and look at bike movement just between, you know, Elmyra Bank and and get it to Beach and just try to get that corridor, you know, that could be if we get
additional funding for First Avenue, then I can use that earmark money for another bicycle. pedestrian level project thing to figure out. So it's I can't you know so realistically I'm not going to have many
updates for you um between now and September now and the end of the year until we we can hear how some of these other funding things roll through. And I don't know if it's possible and it's a a dead dead in the water, but um was there
has there been any sort of discussion of closing off um Decator at the at the um mall, right? How they did at CO time. They had blocked off. So at this point, no. Right. I mean, there could be some
things we could move around, but no, we're not going to close that off. Yeah. Just looking for safety measures. I mean, we may change. I mean, I think the most you could do is look at those series of streets and and try to make more
oneways, you know, but I think really most of that area has already been converted, right, to one way where it can be realistically. You mean I think there's only one block left in that whole group that's not a true one-way street and I
don't know if I don't know if it's worth converting that I don't know what you gain at this point but we'll look at it and that's but that all depends on how First Avenue goes Yeah. and false because you mentioned
maybe I'm wrong but you mentioned maybe that could this uh Elmyra Venice Bank Decator project could be a something that public works could could No, I wouldn't wouldn't it be it because they can't do line striping. They can't do
all those other different things that I would need need to have done. So, um it would still it's still going to need some outside involvement for funding. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I guess not at a great level, but it's it's a small
project that if I can free up some of that money that we've budgeted towards the First Avenue project, you know, even if I get $70,000 off of that and I could use towards something like that, that's
something I can use for it. Um, if I got all of it off, then I could hire a transportation engineer to design it all and make sure that it meets all the meets all of our requirements because it's not it's not just a simple solution of take down a
couple signs, throw some paint on the ground, and put up some new signs. You got to make sure things are because the county because we this involves a county road. The county engineer has to be involved in those discussions and he's
going to want to make sure that it's engineered in accordance with the standards, right? Um, you know, I I would envision that it's going to require some push button lights, you know, to whether or not you
create like a a pedestrian crossing light. I mean, if I forgot to mention that update. So, at the crosswalk at on Washington at Victoria towers, we're switching that to a push button activated pedestrian crossing light.
Right now, it was always just sequence. Well, it just flashed and so it I think it loses its effectiveness to alert pedestrian or to alert moers that a pedestrian is in the crosswalk. This will be a push button so that it will
then flash more appropriately that there is a pedestrian crossing. Um I would envision that we're going to need s you know similar fashion for that over on Lafayette to get across from bank to to cater in some fashion
especially just because of the that intersection doesn't align perfectly at the Victoria Towers. You're talking about the corner of Grant in Washington. No, Victoria Towers right out here. Right out here. The crosswalk that's essenti mid Y. Good.
And so that you our public works is out there putting in the foundations today for that new signal. Yeah. I'd still like to stress and have the when the time comes with uh getting an engineer study out there. And I know
that, you know, they pretty much uh cover everything, but again, going back to safety for the bicyclers because that's going to end up being a a pretty, you know, from bank down to the beach to cater to beach and it's tricky there
behind the gazebo. Um there's two lanes there. Um is and again reducing it to one lane and then have the bikes in both direction on the other lane, which I know is a big ask, but but
if you do close off the mall there, then you're going to have less car traffic, which makes it safer. Yeah. I don't think that we're going to be able to close off Decater. Yeah. And that anyway, I still use that route coming into town
with my bike. And if I have to walk on the sidewalk with my bike for 100 yards or 50 yards, I do that and then I get back on and ride the rest of the way as if we were as if I was going to the beach, right? But putting bicycles on a
contra of a oneway, you know, to head down towards beach is that's a difficult situation. And so it's it had to it's got to be looked at really closely to make sure it's signed right because God forbid you put something up and then an
accident occurs and it's not done properly. I'm in trouble. Right. Right. Not anybody's sitting here. Yeah. Me. I understand. And the engineers would know that, you know, that's that's why I'm the city engineer. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and
then the transportation um studies that are done. That's what that's and that's that's why I say it's not something that we can just go have public works change a sign. Yeah. You got to study it. Just putting it out there. Okay. Actually, why we have here? Do you have any update on the uh the
roundabout on Jacks? Have you heard any like I I know it's been possibly less according to Bob. Bob, is it fall? fall or early next year, but it most likely in the fall. What was that? The roundabout. The roundabout. Now, that's project that I think I was
still didn't have any gray hair. That's when that was initiated in 2010. It's It's probably as old as the Lafayette Street Park project. About the same. Yeah. So, we're excited about that one. And I think Bob also said Sunset Boulevard
likely spring of 27 to start. However, they won't start it if they can't finish it by Memorial Day. So, why don't they just start it in the fall of 20? Uh, they're waiting for the Piggby project because the trucks Oh, all the destroying everything.
Everything. Yeah, makes sense. So, that's that's kind of an up. Okay. I think we hit all the projects. Um, speaking of 2010, I'm going to go back to 2012. the Kate May city passed a
resolution for safe streets and so I've been using uh Paul Miklowitz of the New Jersey bike walk coalition. it's on the uh it's on your agenda and he's been basically consulting us and saying which route would be most
practical for the city of Kate May to go in terms of uh just working with the entities at the state level, the county level and and staying within our city and and so he uh suggested that we might consider
updating our 2012 uh safe streets resolution. The New Jersey DOT has a a 2024 update that could be used uh to No. Okay. I'm not know I'm not sure if I'm ready
to update it to that new version. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying now, but I mean, just put it on your radar um to keep it in uh uh you know, we have this new um vision zero law at the state level.
which again um the the uh the landscape has changed in terms of working with the state or do and all that kind of stuff and so um they're going to be able to to help us because it's now law and so um but anyway I'm
just throwing it out there. I'm I'm trying to be um I understand but it the those to really implement it in accordance with the DOT rules puts a lot of additional layers [Music]
of review scrutiny and delay of implementing projects that I'm not ready for. Yeah, I understand the what it the goals of it, but I think we try
to implement those goals already as we look at designing a project. and to be truly certified under that program. And if if you're going to I'm never one to adopt a resolution or an ordinance and just have it sit off to the side and you
just do it just because it felt good to do and you don't live it, breathe it, and and do it. Yes. Um, and when you read really what this this the um the DOT's complete streets process
is, it would slow down our city road and project significantly. Okay. Well, that and that's that's exact that's exactly what Bob Church said to me about county roads and that's why that's why they've never implemented a complete streets program.
I just want everybody to hear that because I can put this to rest now. That's all. I just wanted to I mean I I mean I think I think I mean the intent of this safe streets is to when we're designing a road to look at all users and if we can make improvements to that
road we try to. Um but the true DOT policy really puts some implications into it that really would slow down our process. That works. That works for me. Thank you. Anybody
else have any questions about that? Okay, great. Um, I think I Paul, we appreci we appreciate you being on the hot seat for almost an hour. No worries. But it's uh it's been
very informative. Does anybody else else have any questions for Paul? I won't bring up Rusty N taking away the bike lane for parking council decision and and that's part of the whole
discussion with safe streets and that policy and the implementation of that is is those balances between parking competing. You have so many, you know, pedestrians, bikes,
vehicles, parking, moving people around. It it's and and and we're in a city that, you know, different towns talk about, oh, let's do a street diet and stuff like this. And you, you know, the Wildwoods Atlantic City and some of the other, you know, like West Avenue and
Ocean City, and that's where they have big wide roads and areas to move stuff. We barely have room to move in our tight, you know, because we're such an old built town. Everything
is tight and in order to create true bike lanes, I would have to take away parking down lengths of streets and can't do that. I mean I mean it's already been done on certain streets,
but you'd be talking about to to truly do what we're talking about doing, we can't do because heck, a lot of our homes and in in especially in the older part of the town, they don't
have parking areas. Why don't they have parking areas? Because no cars. Because back when they were all built, there were no cars. go back to just horses, you know what I mean? And you know, so it's it's just, you know, when you when we when you're in a historic town like
we are, you have to make those kind of balance judgments and and really with the DOT safe streets, it really makes it hard. Yeah. It's just unfortunate that um you know, any sort of multiple decking like over by the
liquor store is just dead in the water. you know this that they don't want to spend the money on it, but that would be a very good solution to put in a multi-deck over there, but it seems to be dead in the water. Well, that's but yeah, that's
a that's a city discussion that, you know, nobody really can tackle. They want Well, paying for it is not the problem. That is not the problem. It's acceptance of having a multi-story parking garage
in some in somewhere in town. Whether it's when they tried to do it at the here at the Acme, whether you you're talking about, you know, the Jackson Street Curers lot, whe you talk about Bank Street or, you know, or whatever
place that you want to try to find in the city that you could do it. It's it's a conversation that is taboo and nobody you know but you know MTRA looked at the funding source and when I talked in front of MTRA about that I'm
saying that's the easy part people funding a facility is easy it's just getting it's getting used I mean another alternative is hey have everybody you know encourage people to park out in the name streets or in the different areas
where there is not a parking issue and use the jity and if we increased the jitney service we you know if more people used it and showed the interest we could do it but people don't want to use the jity to go to the beach they have stuff yeah but those jitneys can
have room to put stuff they want we're a person we're we're we were a people of wanting that convenience and you know like we talked about you know parking you know from the all. How many people, you know, it's not hard to find
parking, just park down a little bit further away and walk. I mean, I talked to some people that when they come down to town, they bring their bikes and they park up in the name streets and then they ride their bikes down to Beach Avenue and and the mall and then it's easy for them to find parking because
then they just take their bikes and then they ride back. It's a small majority. But but that's but that would you would have to change the philosophy of how people think. Now conversely if you wanted to force them to do that. Yeah.
We could take away a lot of on street parking, make more roads to have bike lanes and and and take away parking. there again. Then you're taking away parking for now that's somebody's house where they don't have any on off streetet
parking and now they have to maybe walk a block because so it it's just yeah I I it's it's not a simple and that's why I say funding of that type of a project that's truly the easy part. It
may cost a lot of money, but it's easier to have that to figure out that cost structure. It's it's harder to change the philosophy of the community on what what you want
to do. And it's not an easy it's not a you know, I I go all over the country to different towns and stuff. You go to Naples, Florida, right in town, they have two multi- decks. Yeah. But but you can't vegetation around it and but you go to those h but is Naples is Naples a
national historic landmark city? Naples is not a national hand you know so you can't compare what you see in in Naples in Tampa in you know in some of these other towns because they're not a national landmark city and we are we're
the only one in the country. So if you want to go to if you want to if you want to go to you know some of the his go to Williamsburg and tell me what you see in Williamsburg or go to some of these other truly historic towns where
not it's not they're not a national historic district not to the extent that you know they may have a small part of their town like like Ocean City has a small they have a small historic a lot of towns have a historic district but to the extent that the whole town I mean
not that a whole but the majority of our town is built in such such a way that doesn't it doesn't fit. That's that's the problem. So when people from all over the country come and say, "Oh, we did this here and this is that, you
know, I mean, they've got, you know, you can look at some of the inner cities and where there's like targets. They have multi-story targets in places, but you'd never think about building a multi-story target in Rio Grand, right? it it it just
doesn't compute because that's not that that is. So when when people look at hey, you know, that's why I say you can't look at what Naples did for parking and what they did because what fits for Naples works for Naples because that's
what Naples is. What fits in Kate May has to fit in Kate May because Kate May is a national historic landmark and we have to preserve that. I mean, we keep those two posters, you know, you know, the ones that's our
future is in our past. You know, if we didn't have all this historic stuff that that's part of what makes Kate May Kate May, that's why people come to Cape May is to see that charm of what it is. If if if they wanted to come to another beach
town, we got a whole Jersey Shore coast of beach towns. They're all different. Give you a different feel. You know, Wildwood is different than Ocean City is different than Seal is different than Avalon and Stone Harbor. You know, they're all everybody's got a little bit
of different and everybody has their favorite because you go there for what you like. Kate May, we've got a treasure down here and what fits in other parts of the country does not fit Kate May in a broader sense. I mean,
we can take little bits of ideas, but to say, "Hey, oh, this they did this nice downtown parking garage and it works." I mean, it it it doesn't necessarily I mean, because some people say, "Hey, you
build a parking garage at Jackson Street and call yours and you build build a four-story parking garage, right? Just that thing is going to fill up, right? And then everybody's going to be complaining, we got a parking problem. It's just going to put
more people in town. So it it's it's is it going to solve is the parking is a parking garage going to solve what our problem is. So the or is changing the philosophy and our thought process of our residents and our visitors to change
what their expectation is? Maybe it's being more walkable and bikable and we encourage dropping off a little bit early and then you know you know and those are all hard discussions and decisions but I just
caution everybody to say we can't look at what another town does. You got to look at it really close to see if it fits Kate May. Right. Well, I'll forget about New Yeah. Well, Savannah is a possibility, but from from
the park from the parking standpoint, I mean, it's the issue, you know, the issue that doesn't um you know, that we have to deal with the focus has been on trying to maximize the opportunities that we have for parking in the areas that we do
have. I mean, Cape Island Baptist Church and we just uh city just renewed its lease with Cape Island Baptist Church to be able to use um use their lot when it's when when it's not in use. And it's a uh it's another pay lot that's close for the beach. It's also close for um
the beach business district. It's also close for the mall business district. um you know the utilizing the city lot for nights and for weekends as as well which um that was just I think it was just within the
past year or so that's been opened up as far as being utilized in that in that regard and having um you know the additional parking that we're going to have once Lafayette Street Park is completed but also having the the lot that um that's on Lafayette Street now
you know being utilized. I mean, those are they may not be of themselves um a perfect solution. I don't know if Kate May is ever going to have a true parking solution because um it's because there's in in this city,
you you come to Kate May and there's no place else to go. You can't go further south. You can't go in one direction or the other because we're we're at the bottom of of the island. So, you everybody meets here. Um, it's it's popular. I think the the issue we tried
to focus on is trying to spread some of that congestion out a little bit. And I think that look, we've we've talked about it here before. We've talked about it in other in other ways as well. And Paul, you touched on it the, you know,
changing the people's mindset. Um, if we were able to, and this is not a today conversation, sometime in the in the future, but expand the use of the of the Jity service. We talked about it last our last meeting here as well in different ways, whether it's for people
who are working in um in in in the business district. Um, all those people are driving towns into the business district that work here and are here for full shifts. I mean, those are parking spots that are not available for uh for patrons and for visitors to be
able to use. Um, so if we can use that and just simply bring it back to the purpose of what we're we're here about. Um, if we can do things to make the city more walkable and more bikable. Um, if anything that's shows that we we should
start to then not pointing a finger, but just saying philosophically, we should start to emphasize some of these ideas even more so because it makes it more user friendly for the visitors and and the residents. um has been touched on, you know, I'm on the east side of the
east side of of Kate May, particularly in in another couple weeks, you know, my my biking will be limited to going from um you know, the east side of Kate May essentially up to up to Ocean Street.
Um, and then I won't go further than that because it's to me it's simply too dangerous to have a good bike path to be able to go to the other end of Kate May, even though it's a great biking opportunity to just bike around the the
other the the other side of Kate May. Finding that route is just tough to do. So, if we can focus on some of those challenges as well as bringing people down back and forth from the um Lafayette st down to the beach area, I think that's where we just need to
maintain our focus. So, if anything, this discussion just illustrates the needs for those. Okay. Thanks everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you, Paul. Thanks, What else you have, Jeff? What's that?
What else do you have? Um, that that's really it. I I didn't copy the second second side of this, but it only had to do with that complete streets resolution. So, uh, we have approval of the, uh, April 9th minutes. I'll
entertain a motion for that. I have a motion. Second. Second. Okay. Um, all in favor? I There's only three of three members here, but um anyway. Okay. I I'd like to
make a just a little talk on uh the um applying for uh friendlier bicycling city. the bicycle friendly community. Yeah.
Application. Well, you have the floor. Okay. Thanks. Um, just a little bit of history here. When, uh, the BPAC was started back in
2017. Uh, and I was on that committee. One of the first things we did was apply to uh the I think it's the National Bicycle Association or or something like that uh to take a look and see whether
Kate May would qualify as a friendly bicycle community. And this is something that there's several hundred cities, towns, villages in the United States that have applied for, well, there's probably many more that have applied for
it, but are recognized as a bicycle friendly community. Uh, and so the committee looked at at that time. I was a significant part of that. And, uh, it was obvious that was about a 100page uh,
application. uh that we would not qualify uh we just were nowhere near bicycle friendly as we are now uh and that we would we would not we would not
pass the test anyway. So that was uh what eight eight years ago and we have come a significant ways. So, I I brought up the idea a month or two ago that maybe we take a a
second look now um to see whether Kate May would qualify. And I find out it's about 180 page U application right now. Yeah, about 107. I checked it out. Okay. Uh
but it's a it's a significant amount of work and you apply June's the deadline. So if we did anything at all uh it would be for applying for June of
2026. Can't get it done between now and next month. Um and I think there's really two two reasons for potentially looking at this. Uh one is there's a lot of ideas there in there
and maybe as we just look at the document itself and see what are all these ideas what are what is this organization looking for in a community to improve the friendliness for bicyclists in that
town and a little bit of best practices probably um like Paul said you Kate May is not like every everywhere else. And what's good for Venice or for New York City or for Ocean City may or may not be good for us, but at least we would take
a look at something that's nationally approved as making a city more friendly. And secondly, I think it would be a good promotional marketing flag for the city of Kate May
to say that we are as far as promoting a city uh getting more bicyclists to come here if that's what the city wants um etc. Uh
so and and I offer to be as part of BPAC a champion of this, but I'm not going to be a solo practitioner. Um and if our committee here thought it was a good idea to take a look at
it, I would take the lead on this, but I'd need assistance from other members of the committee at, you know, maybe not work on it full. And I certainly can't work on it full-time, but you know, at least be behind the idea and offer
assistance as it could from other members of of BPAC. But I also believe it has to be driven by the city itself and the city has to want to do this, whether that be council primarily or, you know, come coming down that yeah,
this this would be something that's good. If the city's not behind it above and beyond BPAC, then forget about it. It's it because it is it it is a lot of work. Just reading it and checking off yes, this would apply for us. No, that
wouldn't apply for us. It would take a significant amount of work over the over the course of the next year. So, this is not something that trying to do in the next couple of days, next couple of weeks, even next couple of months. It's probably a year-long project. So, I just
throw that out. And you know, if if among the four of us here or or other members of the committee think it's a a reasonable idea to take a look, um then I I leave it I leave it up to I
leave it up to us to decide yes, yes or no on that. Uh I totally understand if you say no. My feelings won't be hurt. uh you know it's it it's just an idea out there for something that I think is
appropriate for BPAC a as our group as our mission within the the city of Kate May and actually Kate May Island um to take a look at it but it's you know I I don't want to push this any more than I
am right now as far as put something on our agenda and then the next step would be okay But let's get the city's okay or support to go ahead and do this. But
please, I'm too I'm too old to take a take offense if we say no. Uh that that's not that's not the best thing for us to do. We we have other priorities. I have a comment and a question. um comment is that the
city didn't want to up update the resolution for um what was it for? Complete streets, right? They didn't want to spend the time on updating that. My question is, do they find with if a friendly bike
friendly community that it helps your grant applications? Likely not. Um, and has So, let me just ask a question. Has anybody looked at the application?
Not this year. No. So, I paged through all 107 pages and it's crazy ridiculous in terms of what they're asking for. And it's involving working with the police department and getting their um
uh philosophy or I don't know how to describe but but but the point is is that okay so this is how I did this. I tried to just collect information. So, I I call a full-time
bike safety guy, Paul Mikawitz, and and or I emailed him and said he's he works for the bike walk coalition, which the fact that they have a paid full-time um bike safety person is uh is really
significant. So, he's got his hand on the pulse or his finger on the pulse of all the um programs that are that are at our disposal. And I made notes of it last night because I figured I'd be talking about this today. And one of them is the
South Jersey Transportation Planning Organization, the SJTPO. So, they talk they have a program that ties into this vision zero law. They have um the county's getting a local road safety
plan. They have a traffic safety educational program. They've got local safety programs uh leading to infrastructure changes. They have a safe route to school program. They've got design assistance program for safety projects like we um involved GPI with
our safety action plan. Then they uh there's a organization in South Jersey called the Cross County Connection and they do bicycle pedestrian planning and
safety. Uh they conduct bicycle and pedestrian safety audits. Uh which is kind of what trying to apply for this bicycle friendly community. Basically, we're auditing ourselves and according
to the um according to the detail that this local road safety plan application is uh is asking for. Now, this cross country connection also focuses on a particular intersection or a section of roadway,
which kind of ties into what we need here. like we're looking for the let's just call the bank dec uh Decatur intersection. We can get help there's resources that we can get we can
get help with the government um the governments will get a detailed report from this um from these audits that is a valuable step in grant funding searches. So, so he Thanks. That's important.
That's important. So, so we've we've got somebody who's willing to help us, is also willing to put uh programs together. I've talked to David Sheffler, the recreational recreation director for the city, and he
wanted to do something before Memorial Day. Steve, you were in on that conversation. Still wants Yes. And just as as an aside, well, um, we still need to talk about that to move to move that forward to see if
there's something that we that we can do um about that. I know I mean David's not here obviously right right now, but for for the others, we've we've been going around as far as with uh Jeff, David and myself. Um, Dave is
interested with the community center being opened up. um making that a hub for a number of different activities in the city and biking being one of them. It thinks that this this would be a is a great opportunity to expand the use of the community center but also focusing
issues regarding biking as far as having a safety clinic as well as even a a clinic as far as like working on bikes to help get them in in in shape for the season as well. So, um I mean it's a little different than I think what you were where you were going with that, but
I I know that um Dave is looking to do that and we need to circle back on that to try to set something up. He really would like to do something pre-season. We may not be able to do something as um along something real big. We might have
to just figure what can we do in a short term to have a program before the season starts. But he also wants to do something in September as well, which we can talk about. Um, well, we could talk about it at any time as far as just what the what the scope of that would be. Um, I think he's open to any to any ideas
certainly that you would have, anything that Paul would be able to offer up to us as far as from anformational standpoint. And I know from David's standpoint, he's thinking about working with um local businesses in town as well that may be able to help out and assist with uh people literally bringing their
bikes up to say to how to repair them and things like that. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And that's the the old library is now called the community. It's the community center. So, yes, they had the the the ribbon cutting was for it just um last Thursday
or so. So, it's up and running for all the other programs that they um that they have there and it's only going to the use is only going to expand. And candidly, right now is the idea to come up with, you know, new ideas and to to reshape um and add some ideas that maybe
the city hasn't implemented in the in the past. Um I mean, bottom line is our recreation department now has a home, you know, at the community center. And um biking and walking, it can't be how much more recreational can you can you
be with that? I know he wants to also along the lines, I don't want to steal Dave's Dave's thunder, but I think he's thinking of the idea of getting groups together as well. Maybe um people that would be interested in biking together. Maybe um there might be other opportunities as well. But I think
that's among the the issues that he wants to discuss to see if there's some momentum to do that. And um I would say this, there's certainly the opportunity to take those ideas and work on that
with the city. I mean, by by doing that with the city, you have the idea obviously to promote it. You have a home for it as well. And Dave is invested in the idea of wanting this to to succeed and get as many people u residents and visitors involved in this as possible.
Has he connected with Paul Micros? I'm Wouldn't that be you know? Well, yeah. So, just have I think I forwarded him Paul's Paul's email and Paul won't be available to do he his schedule's
full something this winter he could do but not and then he could provide ideas and and some sort of support in terms of maybe some kind of program. Yeah. So the the short answer to that is we did make that connection and from the discussion
at the last meeting till now candidly Paul's just too busy. He's booked up right now. So I think he directly to Paul. I don't know if he's spoken directly. I all I know we I know we've made the connect we've made the connection with um I know the
connection's been made with the city and I think actually um so there so it could be connected with Paul as well. I don't recall whether that's been done. I know our focus has been been talking with David along these lines, but um we know that Paul offers that resource too
or yeah two Paul's um you know offers that resource too. So do you recall if Paul Dietrich was on those email threads that we were I sent it all out with my with with the agenda. I sent out that
whole thread with all the information that Paul had. Information. Yeah. Yeah. So, Terry, I I don't know if he's if they've spoken directly regarding that, but I know that he I know he's busy, but I would recommend from the beginning to connect with him
in the beginning rather than we start, you know, the city or whatever starts making all these plans. And I don't think it's it would behoove him to for him to talk directly because we'd be looking for all these
plans where Paul knows everything. Yes. Correct. Just, you know, quick notes and then talk to him in the fall. That was my point of of saying, look, this is these are some of the resources that he's pointing us to. and he's saying, "Look, you really because we're we're in
southern cate uh southern New Jersey, we're not going to be an entity onto unto ourselves for for bicycle and pedestrian safety. We're going to have to plug into some resources, meaning this SJTPO, and they've got funding
uh abilities to do do some of this stuff and program abilities and things." And that's what that's where he was kind of pointing us to. I'll send out those um those streams again so you can just look at them. Um Steve, are you suggesting I
I hook and it sounds like there's an um an impetus to get uh Dave to speak directly to Paul and just um kind of get hooked into him as a resource for him as a uh recreation director because I'm
kind of excited about that only because here's a city employee who's director of recreation who's interested in doing bike bicycle stuff which is really great 100%. So, I I think I think we need to we need to schedule an, you know, a chance to sit down and and talk about
that. And I think I think at this point we're still, you know, we're talking about it. But, yeah, I I think that um we want to bring in, you know, resources and um I think, you know, Paul offers a lot. I know we reached out to
Paul to be part of something as I said earlier on. I think now we're looking looking at a little bit later. But yeah, David wants to do something now. So um let's look at our you know after this we can look at this and try to figure out um you know when when we can get
together and have a meeting and see what can be put together. Okay. You just do a Zoom meeting or something that works. Um but that would be my recommendation is so um ju just back to circling back to Jim.
Yeah. I mean you no disrespect, we had the conversation before the meeting started. I just think that that particular uh bicycle friendly community designation would be so much work and and the the mileage we would get out of
it would be minimal in terms of um especially when you consider the general public. I mean, you might get some avid bike riders who are hooked into this bicycle friendly community because it's attached to a national organization, but um but we need to kind
of stay local county re uh South Jersey Transportation Authority and uh and just the city itself and just use the resources that we have available to us um to develop our bike program within the city. And of course the cities uh
and we just talked about Dave Sheffller. So yeah, I'm probably not making a lot of sense, but um no, I agree with you. I think we uh I think we have other resources that would be um more prudent
to follow and we'd get more out of it um than just having a status of uh fight. Yeah. And I don't have the time to help you with it. No. And and again If you haven't looked at it, if you haven't looked at that application thoroughly.
No, I only looked at the one from eight years ago. I have not looked at this one and I know the one from eight years ago was and this is this is twice the length of the one eight years ago because that's when I came on board here and so I saw that too and and I thought, "Oh my gosh, it's most of them are at least
that long and they're getting longer." What's that? I said most of those things are at least that long. Yeah. So, and and they're getting long. I understand. And anytime you're dealing with the the state or the federal government, the the the the checklist gets longer and longer because everybody puts their vested
interest onto it even though it's completely irrelevant to the project. That's kind of where it is. That's called job security. Well, that's what it is. But anyway, I think we have a a member of the public might want to do some public do we have a public comment today on this in this meeting? Would you like to say something, sir? I would like
25 miles hour all over. I like that. I like Island Wide 25 miles an hour. The issue and has been discussed a lot of times. The the only issue on the roads are everything is 25 except for Sunset
which when they redo it, we're reconsidering what the speed limit. It's the county and we're working with them. The it's 25 in West Cape May portion of Sunset, but we're going to try to lower BA. You're gonna have a we're gonna have a hard time with Beayshore and New
England where it the speed limits 35 and 40, but they're the only two left uh on that. I can. No, I I I I would agree with you as I ride my bike around town and and people whiz by me on a 20 mph street or 25 mph street depending on
whether it's it's really in my mind it's about enforcement more than even what the posts are, right? Automatic tickets. I like it. Yeah. You know, [Music]
I I I've gotten a ticket on Roosevelt Boulevard. I I hear you. Well, it seems ridiculous to me to tell you the truth that Washington Street and Lafayette Street have two different miles per hour. And I understand why. I mean, one's a county road, one's a city road. But to the
average driver, they don't know that, especially coming into town. Why can't we talk to county and let's be consistent. You're in Cape May Town. Let's keep it all at 20. So, we can say that, but yeah. I I think that you wouldn't find
much uh support in city council for cameras everywhere. Um Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the big thing was Madison and Washington with all the residents. Was it last fall or something about that
traffic light there that people are running it all the time? I mean that's a no interestingly enough just one right there just expanded the use of of cameras and I think one of the um upcoming meeting I think the chief is going to be
giving a presentation regarding uh new cameras look they're on the mall for the most part and some of the other areas um as opposed as opposed on the street they're not yeah they're not they're not utilized for for that so look that's that's that's another that's another
issue so um you know that we haven't broached. Mhm. Listen, in support of what you just said, I my son lives in DC. I got nailed by a traffic camera for speeding, which I thought was
appropriate speed to to be traveling, but I was doing 40 and a 25 and it cost me a lot of money. And you can bet that I do 25 in that 25 now when I do them. And so, um, and that's the point. And they're effective.
All right. I got you. All right. So, sir, can I Yeah. Well, can can we agree then? Drop the idea about uh Yeah. Okay. I'm Do we need to make a motion? Save me a lot of work over the next year.
No, we're good. We're We're off. Yeah. Yeah. It's good to see 11 o'clock. We adjourn. Motion to adjurnn. Yes. Second.
We're think maybe he's going to be going focused on getting that. Jim, how are you? Thanks, guys. Sir, what is your name? What is your name? Ken. Nice to meet you. Uh, last name L.
L E M. Sorry. L E A.