Here. >> Here. >> First of all, I thank you for coming. October which will be next Wednesday. Turn this on. Uh but in talking with Steve, we thought
it would be important to go over u really a brainstorming session uh amongst us as to what we want to accomplish over this next year. what are the some of the key projects that we want to address and um maybe assign some
individual responsibilities in various target areas. So just thanks for uh bearing with us and spending this little extra time that we have here. Um and I just add to that that um I I look
forward to this coming coming year working as a committee. Um I'm I'm looking to see that we really can make a difference here in the city and and add value to what is going on in
the city. They're making excellent progress with various projects. Uh ours are mostly aimed at safety uh safety on the uh on the in the bicycle area, the
pedestrian area, the streets area. And and I think the more effort we put into it on a both a total committee basis and an individual basis, the more rewards we're we're going to get out of it. So I would look that our participation is
just not every second Wednesday of every month, but in the interim times uh that we should feel free to contact city manager or council members on a
one-on-one basis to look at issues, have discussions, um and then come back at on on our regularly scheduled Wednesday meetings and report back as to progress being made on v on various ious areas that
we're we're targeting. So, that's just what I kind of look forward to from a from a committee standpoint that u we we the more effort we put into it, I think the more we're going to get out of um help helping the city and being a uh uh
an advisory group u which is what our terminology u seriously includes. Um, with that I turn it over, uh, Councilman Bodner. >> Okay. Um, just Jim, I just want to echo
the thoughts that you just uh, you just said. I think that in in part um having this a the session that we're having and defining what our goals are this goal are this group's goals for in 2026
will there is going to work be work that's going to need to be done between the meetings. uh certainly welcome that opportunity to work with you know whether it's uh individually I mean obviously we need to work around quorum issues and such to make sure that we're
not in violation of that but in during um between the meetings certainly welcome that opportunity as well as talking with uh the city manager I think that uh the city manager is open to that as well and one of the things that we've discussed you know along those lines is
in after this meeting is having uh the city manager join us at the at our next meeting because hopefully we after we define some of the um uh you know the the goals for 2026
to uh bring the city manager into that discussion and talk with him about that as as well. Um just so the other only other thing I just wanted to add for uh you know food for thought for today is
had sent around um the ebike ordinance um to everybody had circulated uh that I hope everybody had an opportunity to take a look at that um that was introduced at the October 21st city council meeting. So status update is it
has been the ordinance has been introduced. It would be scheduled for um a public hearing and any further action at that would be next our next city council meeting which I think is the Monday coming up whatever um the 12th
13th whatever whatever that Monday happens to be. I know usually we have two meetings on Tuesdays but um due to the scheduling of this month it's going to be on a on a Monday. >> Monday's the 10th >> Monday. Jerry, let me um let me double check the
date there. So, it's not next week. It would be Monday the 17th is when it would be would um would be scheduled. So, um you know, >> Steve, just just one item going back to uh doing working between meetings a
little bit. Um the protocol is that department heads report to the city manager and that um the protocol is if you want to go see a department head whether it be the police chief uh about something or public works or some
others. uh please go through the city manager and not directly to the police chief or um you know whoever whoever whoever you want to see and uh just get sign off from u from the city manager but but feel free to feel free to do
that and uh you I think we can make make some good progress then >> and just um and I welcome being part of those discussions too. um you feel free to do that individually, but also um look, I
from city council's point of view and from a city point of view and moving these these issues forward, please feel free to reach out to me and involve me in those conversations. Um again, just just touching on on the ordinance. Um the last thing I just want to add to that is, you know, there was
some u it was introduced at the at the last session. Um the police department has also reviewed the ordinance as well. Lieutenant Walker attended the meeting uh spoke in favor of of the ordinance as you've you've seen if you if you look at it. I mean essentially like it it it
provides an enforcement tool for um for the uh for the city and for the police department. Um in in essence it advises um users to follow the rules of the road. it doesn't necessarily break a
whole lot of new ground. Um some of the regulations that um are necessary for ebikes particularly regarding registration and perhaps licensing are really something that takes place at the state level. We're still working on um
working on you know those issues at that level. But um I think that we're trying to come up the goal is to come up with an ordinance that um gives some an opportunity one for enforcement but also continuing education and
behavior modification of users also to provide some consistency with neighboring communities as well. Um, Lower Township has passed an ordinance that our ordinance is actually mirrored on the lower township ordinance. Um, Kate May Point, West Kate May are also
um, considering ordinances. So, there's a an a movement to have an islandwide consistency regarding um, the issue as far as with the ordinance. I know there's there's always discussions of course regarding enforcement. Those are
ongoing discussions. Um and I um yeah, so I I'll just leave it at that for now that I know that there's efforts to make to try to um address, you know, address the uh that as well. Um and in part, I
think that, you know, we're going to have a discussion here regarding our goals for uh for this coming year, and I expect that we're going to be talking about ebikes um as part of that discussion as well. Um have some thoughts on that. and very interested to hear the thoughts of the other members
of the committee too. So, thanks Jim. That's what I have. >> Okay. And I think that's a good um intro into uh the the brainstorming session of what projects we're looking at to uh
address over this next year. And you know, let's start out with with ebikes. Um I I see I see that as a high priority item for the committee. Um just back to the last council meeting. Uh I I did
make a um I was there for the public comment se session on this and made a couple of observations at the meeting. Um the the only thing I really challenged was that um it's written in there that
there's a $100 fine for the first offense and $200 fine for the second offense. Um personally I found that as stated u a little tough uh you know no indication
there about any warning uh being given whether that be uh an oral warning or a written warning. And then it was explained to me by the uh city attorney and the police department lieutenant that uh
we we have that there in case we see a serious offender uh for the first time and we have the ability to to find that person. But just like they do now with with regular bicycles, uh the practice
is going to be mainly giving a warning to the people. uh whoever is the offender who stopped uh for doing doing something uh against the ordinance like riding an ebike on a sidewalk or speeding or something like that. So I I
was sat I was satisfied with that response and uh I I also encourage that in going forward with ebikes that the BPAC ourselves u be included in discussions. I was personally slightly
offended that we were not included in putting this ordinance together um at at all. came as a shock as a surprise all of a sudden it's on the agenda and that I think there there's areas we
can address particularly in um uh education uh educ educating the uh primarily the residents uh of of the of the island and the really the lower Cape
community uh and also enforcement working with the police uh department in in enforcement uh over the course of this next next year. So just again that little update there. Uh Jerry, you seem
to be a uh um very interested in this. So uh can I ask you to take the take take the lead on this project over the course of the next year? >> Sure. I I own an ebike so yes. Sure. >> Good. I I dodge them in the streets,
too. So, >> um any any thoughts as go going forward now as as to uh with it within the e ebike frame of uh frame of reference where where where you
see our attention ought to be. >> Well, we are advising the city of Kate May which uh has been pointed out. >> Congratulations. >> Hey, sorry. Well, you were probably out out celebrating a little later than most of us.
>> That's true. But actually >> Oh. Oh, yeah. >> Congratulations. >> Yeah. Uh, we are a committee advising the city of Cape May and I think the regulation of ebike that's needed has to
be at the state level. We don't have the power to compel license plates and things like that. Uh so, you know, we'll do what we can. Um I also think uh I'm frankly not bothered by the fact that we weren't involved in this ordinance being
introduced uh because I I think we need to have four identical uh uh laws uh Kate May Point, West Cape May, Lower, and us. You know, it's islandwide. And you know, if this ordinance is
already passed by lower, well, you know, let's get on board. that if we we want to make amendments to it, then I think it's going to be more than just the city of Kate May needing to amend it. But let's get something literally on the books uh and and go with that. Um,
you know, so the the ebikes that I see just my with my own eyes in Kate May, you know, are kids uh who are given these things uh who probably shouldn't be given these things, but you know, the parents go out, spend $1,500, $2,000,
they give the kid this ebike, and then they're they're speeding along at, you know, 19 miles per hour shooting down the streets, across lawns and sidewalks. Uh, you know, that's that that's a problem. How you catch that, I just don't know, you know, uh because it happens sporadically. Uh
it's not scheduled. It just happens. Um you know, we see what we can what we can do. But I I think I like the ordinance. You know, it's a start. Uh and we and I I support it and I think it should be passed. So, you know, I I'll be we're
not the only uh municipality thinking about ebikes. It's it's it's across the country. uh and certainly across the the the state of New Jersey. Uh so, you know, I will make it a point to uh pay attention to what others are doing as well. Um a
question, maybe Steve, you can help help me on this. Where is the leeway when the state has a law that the local community can override that?
And I I have I have an example is that when we were first talking about having this meeting um and I was I was aware and have been aware for a long time of the um uh open
meeting laws uh this what do they call them? Um >> sunshine. >> Yeah. Sunshine sunshine law. and that we it it appeared that we would not be able to meet uh with with a quorum there. But
then I read the um the actual law and it exempted advisory groups. Okay. And we're an advisory group. So I said to myself, okay, well, we can meet just ourselves. And then I found out
through Steve that no Cape May has passed a ordinance where advisory groups have to obey all the regular things. So we have to have this, you know, published. We have to have an agenda. It
got to be a regular meeting just like any any other any other group. So Kate May is superseding. >> It's not superseding. >> Pardon me. >> It's not superseding. The state has chosen not to regulate the meeting of advisory groups. >> Yeah,
>> municipalities can certainly regulate the meetings of advisory groups. We're created, we're a creature of city of city law and the city does have the power. The states are saying we're staying out of it. That's all. So they're not saying no, you know, all
committees must be able to meet with disregarding uh being open to the public. That's that's not that's not what the law says. Law says you got to have be you got to sunshine must uh shine upon the uh the meetings. Uh and
the um uh but we're not going to we don't care about advisory committees. The state doesn't. Yeah. >> But a city can. >> City can. Now, if the state said that advisory committees must also are subject to sunshine law, the city would not be
empowered to exempt itself from it. What says is they're just hands off. So, the city can be hands-on. >> Yeah. If I could just touch on that and I I'm not sure how much we more we'll spend on
this particular topic, but the the reason why the um the city passed that was in the interest of having full transparency for all of our meetings so they're open to the public. People can see what is what is happening. So that
was that was the reason for that to fill uh to address that particular issue. Um if I could just um unless there's something more about that, I just have some thoughts on on ebikes. Um Jerry, I I agree with you. Um and I think that
Jim, we've talked about this as well. I'm sure everybody has talked about it. We understand that we there are certain limitations as far as what uh the city can do as far as regulating ebikes. uh to answer I guess in in part one thing that that can be done is look if there's
certain areas as far as to prohibit where ebikes should be operated or eu scooters can be operated that's some something that certainly can be be looked at I mean in in the city look we've um
they're prohibited from being on the um you know on the prominade they're prohibited from being on the nature trail um you know the rest we've We're not prohibiting them from our roadways. Um they're prohibited from
operating on on sidewalks. Um and in other areas of of you know that that people would be uh that designed for for specifically for walking and not for any type of operation of a vehicle like that. off the top of my head, I don't
recall what other specific areas there may be, but I think that um I would agree with you, Jerry, as far as we may have reached I think the limit and I we've look, we've had discussed this with our city solicitor as well. I think I think our um the belief is that this
ordinance kind of takes us to the limit as far as what what the city can do from an enforcement standpoint regarding ebikes. So what um but one of the one uh measure that can be taken is to have
some type of safety campaign as far as with education. Um a suggestion would be that we have and that this group support a bicycle and ebike and escooter some type of pedestrian safety campaign.
um as far as you know thoughts um and ways that we could go about that is um through um social media and Facebook messaging getting that message out using our city electric signs and other media messaging
um a couple of years ago when low-speed vehicles were kind of taking off and that was the issue of the moment as far as proper operation of LSVS who was operating the LSVs um safety issues that were coming up around um in throughout Cape May and as
well as on the island regarding LSVs. Um a brochure was created that addressed safety issues and rules and regulations regarding operating LSVs. Um that brochure was and is made available to um
around the city um in you can pick it up in convention hall. you can pick it up. Um it was distributed to uh the vendors who rent the rent them out and it was also distributed to
um local hotels and uh hotels motel bed and breakfast. So the information was uh distributed to to visitors that were coming down to to Kate May. So, um, either in conjunction with the LSV
brochure or perhaps in addition to the LSV brochure, we could create that same type of information, something regarding ebikes and e- scooters in operation. Um, now of course that's going to that'll touch on the visitors which turn over on
a weekly basis. education down here. We need to hit the hit people constantly because it's we turn over every single week or every every few days with a great segment of our population um and and group of group of users. But
of course, we also do have a a core of users as well who are here either seasonally um or work in town or um or or are regular visitors here. So, we need to continue, of course, to hit the
message with with those users as as well. I've heard I've heard remarks from people that say the some of the our greatest escafals are people who you see here all the time, you know, as as far as in town. Um, and I'm just repeating what I've heard anecdotally, but that
comes with that comes with education that comes and part of that education again come up with hopefully with behavior modification. And with that, you know, knowing that we have a number of younger users, I think that um in addition to the other measures that I
just mentioned, school outreach would be um something that would be worthwhile investigating to have these discussions and bring the bring the schools into the educational component of this as well. Um look, younger we do have a number of
younger users particularly who are using the e- scooters. we are seeing them on the ebikes as as well. Um, and I think that, you know, I would I would suggest that that would be a component that that we investigate looking into from an educational standpoint. So, I guess I'd
be curious as far as um you you know the group's thought as far as talking with the city manager um about our developing a safety campaign um regarding uh
regarding ebikes, e- scooters and these devices. >> Uh thanks Steve. One one other thing on on ebikes. I I think it would help to do some some research on best practices that other communities um are have been
working on. And with that, Bob was just talking to me right before the meeting. You you've looked up a couple of uh municipalities with what they're doing with ebikes. Would you like to just report on that a little bit? Yeah, there's a couple things I'd like
a couple things I'd like to bring up. A couple years ago at our Kuanas Club, we started a bike at night have a light program. And uh we went to the schools, we talked to them, we gave every school child in Cape May and West Cape May bike lights for their bicycle, no charge. Um
we talked to the police chief at the time. And uh when you drove into town, it had that slogan, come up, bike at night, have a light. And uh we also had a uh a float in the parade. It's a Fourth of July parade that had that, you know,
we kept using that. And we also gave out uh 300 sets of bike lights at the uh National Night Out. And uh but it's it's an educational thing for sure. We also uh we gave uh
gift certificates to the police for ice cream cones uh if they caught a kid riding with a helmet on, you know, positive reinforcement and get that and we had some success with it and you know we did it for years but uh
>> now that was for just regular bicycles. It was not just reg not directed towards ebikes. Yeah. But uh and but we ran into some things. There's a law on that says all bikes, all rental bikes have to have lights on them, front and back lights. And we tried one
company, one of the companies did it. None of the arrests did. >> And uh there was no enforcement. And I was just at a bike shop the other day and they had a couple of the city bikes in there being retuned. And I said, "Where's the lights?" He goes, "They don't have any lights on their bikes."
And uh so it it people have to be educated and and you just have to keep hammering at it. But uh uh I I did look up for Ocean City, Maryland, Rahobitth Beach, and uh Ocean City, New Jersey. And there are different rules as far as
ebikes, and Ocean City, Maryland allows it. Uh uh Rahobit Beach does not like the prominade >> on the prominade at all. uh only people powered bikes is what they call is the
is what they call them. Uh but uh and they have different hours too. They most of them go to 11:00 on bike riding uh not 10. And uh but uh no electric bikes at all on bik on sidewalks
and so it it's it's interesting going around. I would be happy to look into different towns and see, you know, look what their ebike uh regulations are. >> Bike can be people powered. I mean, it has pedals. >> Yeah, you have to you have to be careful
for how you phrase in >> that's what they have on the signs in Ro Beach is people powered. >> Has breaks it down. >> There's pedal assisted. I also have a throttle pedal at all. I I have electric bike and
I you know I usually pedal until I turn into the wind and then I put the electric on >> over the bridge >> or go over the bridge. Yeah. >> But uh >> well you walk the bike over the bridge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what we're trying to avoid. >> Well, the back bridge is okay.
>> Back bridge is okay. >> Okay. Anything else on ebikes? Uh okay. So, thanks for taking the lead lead on that. >> Just just one more thing. uh WK may also introduce the ordinance. So we are in the process of of passing it. It's a I
think the second reading is this coming meeting which is next week. >> It's exactly the same. Yeah. And we thought about making a couple slight modifications, but we wanted to have a consistent like you talked about and like we talked about in the last meeting. I was I'll be honest, I was
surprised that these guys were were endorsing it and we kind of raced to get it through. Um I think you guys have certain issues with prominad that that probably should be added but we don't have those. We I mean we just have roads. So
>> yeah actually it's they're prohibited on the prominade now. So they're um so that's not something that's actually addressed in the ordinance that's separate and apart from you know from this but just to follow up um well for the the overall conversation I mean
there are certain areas already where they are prohibited. I've as mentioned the nature trail, the prominade. I mean um bikes can go on the prominade certain times of year, certain times of day depending on, you know, depending on that. But ebikes are prohibited all the
time. Um all right, moving along. The other uh goal and priority topic uh that we had talked about a little bit was the pedestrian bridge between West Cape May and and and Cape May. And um
I'm I'm looking at George and uh and Bob for a leadership role in in that area. I I know you have already been very close to the situation. >> Sure. >> Uh I can tell you where we are. We I think the last meeting we had just
received a grant for $700,000. So we have a total of $785,000 in grants to do the bridge, which should cover the full cost of it, which is great. Um I also when I was out campaigning, we actually met people who wanted to become
friends of the bridge to do all the landscaping and all that kind of thing, which is great. Community involvement is is critical. uh where we are in actually getting it approved. We uh I guess two weeks ago we did uh we had the boring
brothers out doing boring they did uh soil samples to test for when they would drive they're going to drive piles and then they put a cap and then they drop the bridge on it. So they did soil samples on both sides, the Kate May side and the West Kate May side. And that was
so that we can finish the preliminary design work to submit for the two D permits that we need. So that that was it's not like we were drilling to put something in the ground. We just were doing testing to make sure that we have
our our design correct when we go to the D. Once the DP uh gives us approval or makes comments where they say no, if they make comments, you need to correct certain things, uh we'll come back and and fix those and then once that
happens, um once we have all those approvals, we can move forward on that. So, okay. Well, we'll just can count on the two of you to uh keep keep us posted and uh if there's any action that we need to
take um >> yeah lead us down the right path. >> Yeah, I mean we've been in uh discussions with Steve and and Mayor Zach and and Paul Dietrich uh about when we're when work is getting done. I mean
obviously it's it's a joint project. We have the lead on it. We have the lead engineering position but um that's where it is. I mean that literally as of right today that's where we are. >> The point of information who owns the lots. >> So
on our side which is West Grant that is actually a paper street. It is it is first avenue. >> I'm sorry. It's a what? >> A paper street. It is actually a street. That lot is not a lot. It's actually a street. Oh, >> and on the other side, which is First
Avenue in Kate May, it's owned by Kate May. It's that is uh B city land on that side. What's the ramification of that actually being a paper street rather than a lot?
There's not a lot of There's a few legal things that are different on what you could do there. I mean, theoretically, we could put a street there and run a a car bridge there, which we would have no interest in doing public. No interest. Uh, this is a safety. This is really for
the safety of people getting them off Broadway. It's part of a whole network of how we want to get people to the beach from the point western part of West Cape May and get them off of Broadway. That's and
and this is just one little part of it um that kind of connects it to the beach. >> George, uh just out of curiosity, what's the approximate distance of the proposed bridge? >> The preliminary drawings we have 50 feet, but >> that's it.
>> It's it's a 50- foot bridge plus there's uh a pathway to the streets on both sides. It could be a little bit longer depending on what we find with the D. That's why it's preliminary, but the estimate is it's not very long at all.
>> 10 foot wide. >> Um the original we had originally thought eight, but 10 is much safer for bikes going in both directions. And um and it is built, it's not built on site. It's built in a factory or whatever. And
they bring it and we it'll actually be kind of cool when they do it. It's probably must see. They're gonna be bring big crane and they're just going to drop it onto the both sides of the of the footers on both sides. So that'll be cool. I've seen them do it with a helicopter. I was going to see if maybe
we could get a sakorski in and just drop a big train, you know, big big bridge. It's not big enough though. And that would be a little cost prohibitive. That would probably take half our budget. >> Be so >> It would be awesome. I I've actually seen that done and they put a train
bridge over the Skookul Expressway outside of Philly and I just happened to be driving down and they stopped the road. It was like 11:30 at night and I was like, "Oh no, what's going on?" And here comes this helicopter with a bridge. Very cool. Very cool to see. So,
we'll make sure we make a a nice announcement if it gets approved by the DP. Just want to make sure everybody hears that. If it gets approved, um it'll be kind of fun. >> There's going to be on there. So, golf. >> We'll have Yes. There is no way any golf
carts getting on there or one of the issues that I keep thinking about is do we ban ebikes or I certainly wouldn't want somebody going across there at 20 miles per hour. The issue is how do you enforce that?
And uh so we have to think hard about that one. Is there a um an ideal timetable to have this completed? Well, >> what's the thinking around that? >> Well, when I used to be in business, I used to have a really good idea of
timets. Now that I'm in government, I can tell you it takes two or three times as long as I think and then I add double that and then I figure I think it's going to cost this and I add triple that. But no, seriously, uh, realistically,
the permits can take, we should have the design stuff done by the end of the year, submitted hopefully January. It'll it can take two to six months to get the permits done. And it it really depends on on how many back and forth we have to
do. Um, so I it's not going to be in place by like this summer, if that's what you're thinking. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. Realistically, if we get the permits, final design work, >> maybe next year, maybe uh at the end of
next year, the winter. >> I mean, theoretically, you could do it during the busy season, but we wouldn't do that because people have rentals all over the place down there. Uh we would probably do it in the fall or the winter.
>> I don't I like I said, it's it it there's a lot of ifs there. >> Yeah, understand. But thanks. Okay. So, we're talking a year or two out probably. >> I don't think that long, but I would say give it a year. This time next year, maybe we'll be actually doing work. Who
knows? If everything goes according to plan, >> which is not which is a little rare. >> Well, honestly, the the the only big holdup is the permits. We have we basically have the the money and a lot of times it's the getting of the grant
that holds a lot of things up. That's you know, you don't get it. They don't they don't say they don't let you have access to the money for a while. I mean, we have one project that literally started before I was in office, which was four years ago. We're still doing the design stage and we we we're getting
little drips of money coming out to do different things. We thought that project would be done, but it's not. This one we have the money already, so that's good. >> Okay. Anything Anything else on the bridge? questions. Sure. All right.
Well, lead us into the proc. >> We definitely and and Steve and I have talked, we definitely want to work with the community around the bridge to make sure that we're working together to make things safe for them and and address some of their needs there um in terms
of, you know, screening from their houses and things. There are there are trees on our side of the lot that block the view from the houses next door, which is actually good. Um, like I said, we have landscape people that want to help us do this, which is great, but we
want to make sure that we we're reaching out to the community each step. So, >> and there have been there have been a number of look questions there have been, you know, people have expressed concerns particularly regarding the safety and you know what we have
um the response that we have have made is we don't have a final plan yet and we're we're working on that. we're going to that's going to be incorporated into um into the plan. So, you know, at at this point, those issues are going to be
addressed. Um but we're not able to answer all of those questions at this point in time. So, but I would say they're being taken into consideration. So, and they, you know, they they will be uh they will be addressed.
>> Okay. Thanks. Um the next um priority area that I have is the infrastructure projects that were um promoted by the consulting group last year. Uh we passed this out last week,
but I'll pass them out again. Uh you need bio bifocals or triocals. >> Oh my. to uh to read this unfortunately. U and I my suggestion is picking out a couple of
the most important things or at least what we think are the most important things to try and get accomplished this next year uh by Cape May and and where it in includes adjoining municipalities.
Uh, but I I'd like to come out of today with, okay, we see this list. We're going to get involved in a couple of these. Which one which ones do we see are the um are the most important? And
what can we get done in a relatively one-year time frame? Uh we certainly can't get all these done either from a uh a financial standpoint or just a a time and effort standpoint on our part. Um but I'd like to open this up and and
and come out of today's this is the really the focus of today's meeting. come out of this so that next week we have a uh we can present. Okay, here's here's the infrastructure projects that we that we see we can get involved with
and help uh uh in in our way of advising uh Kate May city council and the city manager that these are these are areas we see we we can help get involved with
and um so I don't I don't know how much time and thought you've put into Steve, I know you have uh a little bit. Maybe we start out with what you see as some priorities here. >> Okay. So, look, I I agree. I think that
um the the the best way to handle it is to focus on probably one or two projects um for 2026. Um I think the looking at the Lafayette
Street, Bank Street, Decar Street Carter, um to um have a safe passage there and to have some type of um working on a a safe carter for in that section of of the city heading towards
uh the beach area is um an area, one that is kind of touches some of the the different um boxes that you just mentioned, Jim. Um one, I think that they're they're areas that probably um
we can get a significant benefit for the city from a cost standpoint. um they may fit within what um can uh would fit within the um budgeting constraints um and also are is a is a project that
um it's realistic to look at being done in a in a fairly um in a reasonable time period. Um I think also the the crosswalk at Elmmyra Street and Ocean Street essentially a block away from that particular area um is also an area
that has been highlighted through uh research and through um you know through uh you know through these um this analysis that has shown to be a dangerous area and one that also would be worthwhile to
to be worked on. So, um those are areas that that I think that um the city could benefit from as as far as uh the focusing our energy and focusing on trying to uh work on work on improving
the safety in those areas. Other thoughts from uh >> I can tell Yeah, I can tell you Westgate already has for item number where are we here? Um the
the Stevens Stevens Street which is connects to Seagrove. We already have I mean this doesn't affect Kate May at all but it's on here. We actually have a project to redo Stevens
repave it and put uh speed tables on it basically to match what's on Seagrove. I mean that's a route that everybody takes and there's a lot of speeding on that road and that's one that we actually own the road. The county doesn't so we can do that ourselves. So that is actually a
project that is listed. We're we're out trying to get grants for it. Uh so that's going to h that will happen. Um the the one that um is going to take a bunch of coordination is the Seashore Road Broadway,
I guess, connecting the sidewalks. And that was something that showed up on this list. And we nobody even talked about putting sidewalks in lower. I don't know if everybody remembers that. Uh uh we have an issue in West Cape May. We don't have cyborgs from Stimson down
to where Duckies is, which is central and we have talked to the county about doing a project that fixes that. There's issues with easements and right away and where people can do that. Um, some of the houses have an easement, the other ones don't. So, we would end up having
to do something about that. Uh, but we think that is a safety issue from a biking standpoint because there's parking allowed there and there's no sidewalk. This is right before central if everybody knows where that is. And technically the bike lane going down
Broadway ends there and you're supposed to go down Central which is the continuation and then park. There's actually bike lanes. That's the way it is designed. There are no bike lanes on Broadway from Duckies to to the beach there. That's not supposed to be a bike lane. And some
there was some talk in the campaign that that people were parking in the bike lane. That's a shoulder, not a bike lane. The the bike lanes are on park. So, we we want to figure out how we can connect. That's a pretty dangerous area. We have those little plastic uh cones there, which actually have been
great. It's things for traffic, but it's great for bike bikes because people don't go around the cars and uh which is when there's people turning left. So, those are some of the projects we're doing. I mean, obviously, we're interested in our town. Also, the one project on here that connects West Cape
May to Cape May, not the bridge, but the other direction is the uh Broadway basically to Ocean. Um that you know we have the biggest issue we have on our section of Leming, it turns Leming, then
it's Elmyra, and then it goes to Ocean is speeding on Leming. I mean, we have bike lanes from from Park Boulevard down to the bridge which disappear. I I know I literally live at the I live at the end
of Leming and to ride my bike here, >> I I have to go 25 miles an hour down the street to get ahead of the cars so I could actually keep going down that road. It's not safe. So, the question is, how do you stripe it? How do you direct traffic down there? So, I mean, I'm very interested in that one.
What happens when you get into Cape when you cross the bridge into Cape May on Leaming? There's a little teeny sign about this big that says make a right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then that connects to this other project that's listed on here which is
which is Bank Decater. So I mean maybe that's we have a bigger sign that says all bikes turn right. That intersection at Ocean where Ocean Elmyra and Lafayette that is a no-go zone. You cannot ride your bike there. That is just a mess. So if we get
people in the cross at Decator, that's actually better. >> We just have to be >> What's that? >> That's a mess, too. >> But it's it I I'll be honest, as somebody who does that route a lot, if I'm going into town, I go that way because I don't want to get jammed up in
that little section where it turns. There's nowhere for a bike to sit. I mean, because cars want to go around you and then they're in the other lane. I mean, the be the safest route is honestly you make a left on Bank. You go through the through the uh the parking
lot at uh Oyster Bay and then you cross into the Acme parking lot. That's the best way to get here without getting hit by a car, which is not the way you should do it. That's not I'm not advocating doing that. >> Yeah, we we have to be a little territorial on this again because we're
reporting to >> Cape May City Council. I understand >> I'm looking uh for funding from them on this which so I agree with what you're saying but I think we we have to be a little bit narrowminded here on coming
up with priorities that are Kate May specific recognizing if there's some way we can help West Kate May or lower >> I'm just I'm just addressing what is on this project list. I mean, and there's a lot of u there's a lot of the projects
are in West Kate May, and there are some that connect Kate May and West Kate May like like the Elmyra Ocean. >> Exactly. >> So, >> Exactly. Any other thoughts on this? Uh I I I got one
my my my own priority um which is somewhat controversial is the um uh speed bumps, speed tables, uh speed humps. I guess they're the
three categories. Um, and I I I I would I would like to see them get on our priority list. Um, and address that with uh uh with the city
manager and and council about uh installing these u I see them being effective in our surrounding communities such as Cape May Point, um Stone Harbor, etc.
Uh and it's also something that we can do within our budget. Uh we don't have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is a a low low budget item. Um and when we talk about safety being our priority, and I'd like to get
up get back to that a little bit. Um, lower speeds are safer speeds and we don't have the police manpower to have good enforcement all over our city of
Cape May on the streets where we know there's speeding going on on a on a regular basis. Um, so I I I'd like to see us put um some type of uh speed
bumps u or probably speed tables. Again, there's there's three different designations of types of uh low lowering speed limits to to put out there and uh
get some in get more information, dig into this project and let's see if we can uh uh convince the city to uh let's let's give this a shot on some of our
busy streets such as um Washington Street, uh such as Colombia, uh such as Pennsylvania, uh which are all city streets. There's other county streets such as um
Lafayette, uh Michigan that uh will be a little tougher to do because there there we have to interface with the uh with the county. So >> I would add Delaware down to the Coast Guard >> and and we talked about that, right?
Delaware Avenue down to the Coast Guard u etc. So thought thoughts on this? I just bring this up as a uh >> isn't >> as a priority >> enforcement the the key I mean the first step in in correcting this the speeding
problem you know the enforcement of the speed rules >> right >> I from what I see there's very little >> enforcement speed traps or speed checks uh you know to enforce speed. Yeah,
>> that's and it's it's confusing enough in Kate May with the 20 mph speed limit and 20 mph roads intersecting 25 mph roads, all the county roads. I mean that's got to be confusing to people. >> Sure.
>> But I mean the 20 m an hour, no reflection on you, Steve, but I was opposed to it when it was enacted five years ago or whenever it was before your time. But um uh that the they were not
enforcing the 25 mph speed limit. So to reduce it to 20 and still not enforce it, it was totally ineffective in my opinion. >> Yeah. And uh this committee has addressed that with the uh with the police department, specifically the
police chief odd nauseium since the uh the committee was formed in 2017. Uh, and they they they don't have the manpower. I mean, it's a certainly a a manpower thing to um in enforce out
there. I mean, they put up signs, electronic signs and things like that, but uh you know, we all know we still have speeding uh going on on in the town. >> Go ahead. Well, I just wanted to say I'm not telling the police how to do their
job, but I think a speed check once every six months at a particular spot is very effective. I'll tell you, we're talking about leaning. Uh George, uh they used to have a police car there all the time and people know it. They know when they're coming down leaning to slow
down when they're approaching Cape May. >> I saw someone pull over the other day. >> Yeah. >> Question. There are these signs uh solar powered that register the speed limit and say you're going, you know, in flashes if you're going too fast. Do those sign do they collect any data? >> Yeah, we we actually just got two new
ones on Broadway. You probably noticed there's one by the that as you're coming out of town, it's right by the bait store and coming into town it's by Cape Allen Gardens right on the turn. And we just got those put in by the county. We requested it >> keeps data like >> and yes, there's two ways to do it. they
can actually upload it to the cloud or you can actually go over it and take your phone and Bluetooth the data down. Um, all the county ones have that. We're still setting up the ability to do it on those particular ones because we've got
to upgrade the software. I don't know what Kate May has. I assume that they have the same county put them in probably the same big signs. You guys have a lot of those smaller ones, but almost everyone has a data collection. >> They they do collect they do collect
data >> so we would know. >> Yeah. So you can >> see >> you can and it'll it does it by time, speed. I mean I I can see the one from my house and I watch you know constantly every single car goes by is speeding.
>> So like literally every car. So once we get the the software, we'll pull that out. We'll talk we'll have a discussion with the police department. I mean they they're aware of that's a speeding area but having the data in front of you and say hey between 7 and 9 80% of the cars
were going 32 miles an hour average of 32 miles an hour that's when we need to enforce or between it happens at the other end 3 to four 3 to 5 where people all the contractors are leaving town. Um, and then it's just a matter of coming up with an
enforcement plan that we all can agree on, you know, the municipalities and the police department and then just doing it. I mean, that's that's >> I'm a data kind of person. So, that tells me when I want to go enforce it. >> Yeah, they have they have a lot of data
on Elmyra >> by that u >> Yep. >> thing there. just like you said, you know, by the hour, by the day, uh, and in five mile per hour increments. >> I will I will say that that I literally went to every door while we were
campaigning and the number one point that everybody had. We asked, "What do you have any issues that you want to discuss?" Speeding. It is the number one talking point of every pe person in West Cape May. And I bet you if you went and Steve, you just did your
campaign, you know, year ago. I bet you that's one of the top ones. So it I mean everybody said, "What are you going to do to address it?" You know, putting up radar signs doesn't do you any good if it's not enforced. So >> you need to have a a concrete plan. I
mean, and we have to be strong. It's like, "Hey, we don't want speeding. Let's and what's the plan to stop it?" And that's all. >> Yeah. So look, we could we could invite the chief to a meeting to discuss some of these these issues. Um
>> Chief Fashel is always open to discussing this and I know whether >> whether it's a an individual with a committee with city council. Um I know that um this is a you know he's expressed that this is a that he hears
about this constantly um and this is a you know an issue for them as well. I I do know from um talking with him, hearing presentations that they've done and through personal observation that look um they the police department they
do do routine patrols including set areas where they you know Joe I think you touched on this you put a you put a patrol vehicle someplace and all of a sudden like everybody slows down like there's no better speed dampening um measure that you could take other than
having a a patrol vehicle, you know, on a certain location. And, you know, I they they do routinely set up in certain areas of of Cape May certain hours of the day as well to look to to make stops
when appropriate, but also to um to use that as a as a way to address uh address, you know, people that are driving too fast. Unfortunately, they can't be everywhere, of course. Um, I do know that they're also aware, you know,
certain hours, as as George said, we have a particularly this time of year, there's there's a flow as far as when traffic's going to be coming into city and leaving the city. Um, they're aware of that from data collection as well as from observations. And I think that
they, you know, we could talk with the chief about that, but I think that he would tell you that the department is mindful of that and takes they they make they modify what they're doing based off of, you know, what they know is happening in in the city as far as how people are are traveling. They do have
um there are the mobile signs that get moved around periodically um in Kate May. I know there was a time I've seen them on Washington Street, you know, for a week or two at a time and on Colombia get moved to Madison, Pittsburgh. It
gets it gets moved around town. The I'm referring to the really large one that's on a back of a trailer. Um that you know flashes what you know what the speeds are. So they get moved around. Um, and I I think as well if somebody a citizen
reaches out to the police department, they'll be responsive in that way. Um, I know there was a not that long ago at a city council meeting, somebody on Colombia came up and in the public portion expressed about speed a certain time of day on Colombia. the next day.
Um well, they moved the sign over there and I know that they increase their just enforcement as far as um you know the sign to notify people and act as a speed dampening mechanism but also to increase
patrols over there um as well. So they you know they do collect the data as well. I know that they're um yeah speeding is is certainly an issue. Um there was something else I was going to mention as well which is kind of has
left me for the for the moment but um I know that they you know this is something that's a an issue. I suggest that we have the chief come in and and have a conversation with us. I think he can probably uh give a lot more information. >> They've been real I mean Steve Steve's right. They've been very responsive.
Anytime I've asked them about different areas could they make sure they set up a patrol. They'll set it up. Sunset Boulevard is a bad one and they they've done that. have had the trucks going out to Higgby and they're back again and they're always, you know, they they always appear to be speeding and a lot
of times they are. They're just so big and loud and you know when they hit a bump it's so they have been doing a pretty nice job with controlling that. So if we ask them they're very good about it. So and and they do I mean we have speed traps set up on Broadway. Uh
they did a bunch on uh Stevens. So it it's they've been pretty responsive on it. I think, you know, we just need to make sure that we all, you know, from an municipality standpoint, we are giving the right direction. Hey, this is what our constituents want. Let's make sure
that we do this and and have a plan. That's all. So we can point to that. >> Yeah. He's I know the chief's even mentioned that look if you see if there's a a certain vehicle um that goes past your your house at a you know speeding at a
certain time of day um you know every single day referring to either you know um someone who's in in a in a business mood. Um look he'll respond to that and he'll send somebody out there to specifically address that particular issue. sit on
the spot and you know stop that stop that person. So um that's one of the benefits of being in a in the area that we are being able to talk directly to the chief and have a a certain small town aspect of of you know community policing in that way. So I know that
they're responsive in that way as well. Not saying it's perfect. Um, you know, there's there's there's other ways that we as a community can address this probably to hopefully make it a little easier as well for the police department to enforce this. Maybe we need to have a couple more conversations about that,
too. >> Yeah. My my idea is to see if we can get this this project on the agenda, but then once we get into the new year,
determine our our strategy and understand better the process of how what do we need to do to convince city council and particularly the city manager to install speed bumps?
or better yet ste on certain streets in Cape May. U but I again I I think we need to understand you know what's the what what's the process? Who is the decision maker? What are the what are the objections to speed
tables from a overall standpoint and how do we ne minimize or negate those objections and do that over a period of time let's say the first three or four months of 2026. So not trying to solve
the problem now but let's get some studying done. let's let's get a strategy set forward even if it's just on a trial basis and it's not expensive in the overall sk scheme of things and you know maybe we can be successful
maybe maybe not but uh I'd at least at least like to see us give it a give it a try and be uh uh one of those things in our safety area. So that's one of the items that we will add to the discussion to talk with the city manager on next
week. Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I think you know strategy if these signs collect the data. >> Yeah. >> Popping around. Collect the data and then you see where people are. I know I didn't realize Michigan was a county
road. That's I've seen people flying down Michigan and I've seen uh police cars in speed traps there too. I see people get tickets. Um, Michigan's a problem. Delaware's a problem. Particularly there's Coast Guard
children. >> Well, actually, there's probably about at least a dozen streets as a problem. Now, we can't have a dozen streets with tables on them. But, uh, you know, that's if we if we can help out in two or three or four streets, uh, at least
to get started, we're going in the right direction. I I believe. Okay. And I just have one other idea as far as um u putting on a priority list and that is
Steve Steve Steve mentioned it a little while ago is um getting more publicity or getting Kate May recognize how important safety is on our
list list of attributes for for Kate May that we're concerned about safety. And it extends just beyond bicycles and pedestrians u you know there's the whole ocean and
uh that there all all aspects of our life here both for residents and for visitors and I think we can improve upon public awareness of safety comes first
in Kate in Cape May as far as far as what what we offer and what what our priorities are. So whether that's, you know, looking to put some type of campaign together, maybe maybe a slogan that's highlighted as people come into
the city. Uh but again, I I'd like to look into the whole area of safety and and doing a better job through various outlets and means of
making highlighting the importance of safety is here in Cape May and put that on a on on a list. again, not today to understand all the things we're going to do, but something for us to to look
into. And uh Joe, I was thinking maybe you and I could uh work on some on something like that. >> Any other thoughts along those lines? >> Yeah, Jim, one thing I uh would like to see, it's a public safety issue. uh
where you pull into the Acme parking lot on Ocean Street. It's extremely dark there at nighttime. >> Okay. >> And it's a lot of traffic there with people walking up and down that they're coming out of the Catholic church. They're about walking over there and somebody's going to get there's no
street light that shines light where you drive in there. And you know, that's something that's a lowhanging fruit, but I think it would could make a big difference. >> Okay. And I mean I would just extend that and I can't name them now but I know there are various areas in town
particularly in the city which are dark >> uh at night. That that certainly being one of them. Uh but again overall uh improved lighting whether it be on the bicycles themselves or on the street
lights or um or or whatever. I'm just thinking this is something simple that will make an immediate difference. >> Yeah. So, >> okay, I'm with you. Uh any other thoughts as far as our
priorities go for uh for next year? Because I have just one then one other topic here and that is at the last meeting the city manager said that uh we should come forward at our next meeting which is next Wednesday. um with
ideas about uh requesting money in the city budget for our items. Now, most of most of the things here on the infrastructure projects, the city is going to be looking for grants to handle these because uh high
one of the highest priorities of the city is to not increase the budget year year after year. Uh which I agree with. Uh but if we can put some some money into uh the city budget, we can get some
things done without having to wait six months, two years, five years, etc. for grants to come through. Um and I think it'll, you know, I'm thinking of a nominal amount. I'll throw a $100,000
out there uh for the city to put in its budget for for use as far as um pro safety safety projects that are backed by uh BPAC our our comm our
committee here. And so I again I'd like you like your thoughts on this so we can go forward as a committee asking you know for a recommended amount of money to put in the budget to for for the city to use
based on um suggestions uh that we are we are making. So I would just add to that this is the time to be having that discussion because they're going through formulating the budget for next year now working through these these particular issues. So having that
discussion and with the city manager um and you know this is the time um we so uh I I think again if we're focusing on you know we need to make a decision as far as are we are we in agreement that we're
going to focus on say one or two projects because I think that's candidly that's where we're talking probably a sign significant amount of money because even if it's um some that may be directly expended into into projects. But if it's money that needs to go for
grants, that still needs to be built into the budget because you're it costs money to to request request money as well. um you know as far as a certain dollar re so what are you suggesting Jim
as far as a certain dollar amount or um are you suggesting that we formulate what our ideas would be that we are looking to accomplish and from that does that determine what the budget would be for
next year because I'm suggesting that may be the approach to take is to if we If we look at certain projects, if we identify amongst ourselves, these are the two one or two projects that we want to identify um regarding um uh
infrastructure projects and I'm not I'm only using this as an illustration, but say we were to say let's look at the speed speed tables. Let's look at um the project that would take place regarding um Lafayette Street, Ocean Street,
Decar, Elmyra in in that area in some manner or another based off of what we have from um from the report. You know, that helps us formulate what a you know, what a what a dollar amount may be for, you know, for that particular item. If
we're to talk about um say some type of uh safety campaign, I mean from there we can determine what is the cost of that when it comes to developing the campaign and as far as formulating literature. So
if we identify the items that may determine what the what the budget is as opposed to just saying here's a number because candidly I'm not sure if we look we could say here's a number but I don't know I I feel better for the group as well as on the other end as far as a
city council member to say here's how the um to to look at what the particular ideas and the projects are and how much would something cost and that would help determine what the what that um number would be for for the budget.
Does that make does that make sense to you? >> Is there somebody within city government that we could run these projects by to get some idea of the cost? I mean, I don't think anybody, I could be wrong, knows what speed bumps or uh, you know,
speed tables would cost. I >> I think that's why we would invite the city the city manager invited to the next meeting. I think I think the idea Joe would be if we're able to kind of coalesce around some ideas right now and bring this together and we can present to him at our next at the next meeting
here's here's what the bike you know here's what the committee is looking at as far as goals in 2026 >> not necessarily dollar amounts the the projects themselves. Okay. >> Right. And he can look at that and determine from that what you know what
that dollar amount may be. Well, again, I'm just looking at the timetable if if they need a number by next by next Wednesday. Um, I don't think we have the time or
resources to do a whole lot of homework as to exactly, you know, we want $12,000 here, $72,000 there, etc. And I and I refer back to I think it was Mullik's first year in office or maybe it was
second year in office and he he agreed with the U with BPAC. He said, "I'm I'm going to put $50,000 in the budget for um recommendations that you have this year and we'll figure out over the course of the year how to best spend
that $50,000." So, that's a little bit of a precedent uh from several years ago that uh Zach was uh that he pushed pushed through. So, I mean, I'd hate to say, okay, uh we're
going to have 14 uh speed bumps or or whatever we want to call them. Uh and we're going to have nine crosswalks and three sidewalks, etc.
two two,000 maps. I think we're pulling numbers out of >> So, we're in agreement as far as the as far as the idea. I just um I'm just asking as far as how we go about doing that. Um
because I because I I think that there is that opportunity to say there should be a budget line um you know figure for you know for the committee. I just well I you know as I
said I I the question that's going to come back is how is the money going to be utilized. So I think that and which is exactly what we're discussing now. So um
I like to be able to have answers to to that even if it look to to just move the discussion along. I feel that we can have a um to me it provides a better basis for for a discussion to be able to talk about the
specific projects. So we can talk about that and if somebody has a certain number in mind that may that may come about like over the course of that but if some you know this discussion with the with the city manager um
I don't know Jim that's uh you know as far as as far as a specific number now I think I would want to have some feedback from the city manager regarding some of these projects to get an idea and I don't think that if we don't have this number by next Thursday. I don't think
that's a uh you know a drop dead date for us. I think that city manager needs to hear that, but we're not um they're working on formulating the budget, but it's it's not going to be done and over with by by Thanksgiving. Trust me, they're not even it's not even going to be close to, you know, that point in
time. So, we do have time to work on that particular issue. H >> how about this? Um, how about if I try and meet with the city manager andor um the mayor
between now and next Wednesday and feel them out as to how's how's the best way for us to approach the idea of putting a number in the budget, whether it be a general estimate or assigned as
so much assigned to specific projects. again, we're talking about trying to do some stuff in between meetings. Um, you know, maybe I can >> look um the I have conversations with the city manager just about every day,
you know, regarding topics. So, I welcome you I welcome you to reach out to him. I can I can certainly have this discussion with with the city manager as well, and I would be happy to to do that. I'm looking to find the best way to get this done. And I'm not that's that's really what this is all about. >> That's a better idea. >> Okay. I'd be happy to do that. I would
be happy to do that. >> Everybody okay with that? >> Yep. >> Um >> Jim, if I interrupt, could I just mention just one other item that um as as far as a possible item to work on as far as goals for the next year? Um
the city bike map is out of date. Um it I would think that that's something that we should work on. I I think that the city bike map should be updated. I know talking to the our vendors in the city, they give our bike map out and some of
them even have their own bike map that have a that they think are a better routes for certain areas to direct the public. I think um look, we're the bike and pedestrian, you know, committee. We should be updating uh the city map. Um,
we update the city map. We've given out the QR codes. We're pub we're publishing this map and this is what we're advising people, you know, how to bike around and move and move around Cape May. So one my suggestion would be that we form
formulate a subcommittee to work on on the map also in that committee to also speak with um you know the some other folks regarding that are renting the bikes because I think that
they can provide some value valuable input into how that map would would look like as well. And this is something that we absel absolutely should have be working on over the winter and have completed for the springtime so we can
publish it on the website and so that we can um we talk about a cost, you know, um we did not produce paper maps this year. Some people do rely on paper maps, but we should be producing some paper bike maps for people to utilize in Kate
May in conjunction with the maps that we're utilizing through the QR code. So, um, Jim, if you well, if the group thinks that that's a good idea, I would ask that there be a subcommittee form to work on updating the bike map, and I would like the volunteer to be part of
that group. Yeah, I again a point of reference in the early years of uh 2017 1819 uh BPAC actually brought not only brought
up the idea but committee members designed and had um published the bike the bike maps. Um, the city did cover the costs, but the committee members put
in their own time in designing it. Um, going out. I think we had a couple ads in there, etc. Uh, I don't see us doing that again. Uh, we're an advisory committee. We're not, you know, we're
not out there thinking that, oh, it's a good idea to put in a crosswalk. Well, we'll get we'll get some white paint and split up. You do this street and that street. We're advisory. So, I would hope that we could advise the city about a
new map and give them ideas on that. But it it's really a city responsibility, not an advisory committee responsibility to do the actual work of producing uh the map. Now, you know, how they how they take to
that, where their resources come from or where their funding comes from, uh, I don't know. >> Would anyone like to volunteer to help me work on working on updating the bike map? >> Yeah, I will. >> Okay. Thank you, Jerry. Thank you.
>> Okay. >> Good. Okay. outside of your BPAC responsibilities. So, thank you. >> Uh, I have a question. >> Yeah, I raised this in the email with you, Jim, but um I make the drive down
Broad Street, make a right on St. John's. There's a wonderful new sidewalk that's now goes through, I guess, what we're calling Lafayette Park and it goes, you know, tra and part of I understand part of the reason that sidewalk's created so the kids who live in the housing a You
don't have to walk down the lobby yet to get to the elementary school. The problem, however, is that there is a sidewalk that comes down broad street and it stops and there's another 15 yards or so to get from the end of that sidewalk to the start of the sidewalk in
Lafayette Park. And there's there's no sidewalk there at all. In fact, there's a fence from the houses that are there that kind of blocks it. So, the kids would have to walk out into the street in order to access that newly installed sidewalk. There's no crosswalk there.
And I just think it's a dangerous situation >> because there's a curve there. >> There's that curve and there's just no there's a crosswalk, say 100 yards this way, there's a crosswalk down at Lafayette. Um, and that's the only
crossroads to get over to Lafayette Park area. There's no sidewalk for about 20 yards. Uh, and I I just think it's dangerous. I'm going to have that inviting sidewalk, you know, to here, come this way, but there's no real way to get
there. So, I don't know how to get that discussion by raising adjustment. >> Yeah. Well, we'll have the city manager here. We That's something that we can talk about with him as a as a side matter.
I'm not sure if that's something that's going to be incorporated with the because that's right on the corner of of St. St. Sean. Right. >> So I there it may be something that's >> well I don't want to speak out of turn but obviously there's going to be a lot of construction going on in that area in
the in the very near future. So I don't recall from see as far as with the from a planning standpoint where there that's um that's in there. But we could address that with the city manager. >> Just take a drive down. >> Yeah. I know I know what you're talking about. >> Paul I found he works a lot better if
you take a picture on your phone of it. >> I got a picture. soon as I showed a picture and all a sudden it was like he was kind of blowing me off and he goes, "Oh, we can do that." >> In fact, I'm going to bring my drone down, take an overhead shot. >> Yeah. Again, this to me this falls in
the category of uh now Steve's going to do it, but you know, get an appointment with the city manager and and ask him if we can get involved on a basis just like Joe has met with the city manager on the signs
on the prominade. uh differently and I'd like to and Steve really appreciate your interfacing but I think as as much as we can get BPAC members themselves on a one-on-one basis
with the city manager or if need be a department head u >> well if he's coming to the meeting we have time right >> yeah if he comes right but sometimes you may not want to wait a
uh where you can go spend a half hour one-on-one with them and >> city manager. That's a lot of time. It is. >> Yeah, >> it's a lot of time. >> Uh anybody else uh comments, thoughts,
things? Okay. Um I hear a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you very much. See you here uh next Wednesday at uh 9:30 again.
>> Do it again next week. >> Say it. >> You better hurry up.