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council of the City of Cape May we are here in the Cape May City Hall Auditorium today is Tuesday March 18th 2025 the time is now 2 4 p.m. please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance i al to the flag of the
United States America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indis with liy and justice for all thank you under the open public meetings law
notice this meeting was sent to the K May County Herald and the Press of Atlantic City and a copy the agenda was delivered to each member of city council and posted on the K May City website and K May City Hall bulletin board notice is hereby provided that Kate May City Council meetings are audio recorded and or video stream live live video streams
are posted to the K May City website city of K May is not responsible of audio recording or live video streaming of a meeting is unavailable roll call council member Baldwin here council member Bodner here Deputy Mayor McDade here council member
Meyer here mayor mullik here City cister Gillan Schwarz here Deputy city manager rigs here Deputy city clerk Turner here and director of civic affairs and marketing Casey ranigan here we have one resolution on the special meeting agenda
Council it's 11903 2025 a resolution providing for a meeting not open to the public in accordance with the provisions of the New Jersey open public meetings act and JSA 10 4-12 this is to discuss 610 Beach Avenue and open space easement and Cape Island Baptist parking agreement do I have a
motion I'll make the motion do I have a second a second roll call council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mullik yes and we have a public portion mayor is anyone here
wishing to speak on this uh resolution seeing none we can close public comment and go into close session time is 4:03 in your way so did you polar punch I ran into Pete on on Saturday I ran you
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e e all good good evening everyone we are coming uh coming out of a closed session so I apologize for being a little late uh we have to first close out the uh closed session do I have a motion to adjourn I'll make that motion do I have
a second I'll second um Mr solicitor could you give us a quick update on the um the uh conversation and Clos session yeah uh Council discussed uh two items Cape Island Baptist Church we have a par prior parking agreement with them we're
not going to be taking formal action on that tonight and Council also discussed uh six 10 Beach Avenue and uh the easement that's associated with that property I'll give a more uh General update on that when we get to the regular portion perfect but no no action
on either of those items tonight okay all right we have a motion in a second um all in favor I I okay then we can open our regular meeting of the city council of city of Kate may we are here in the Cape May City Hall Auditorium today is
Tuesday March 18th 2025 the time is now 15 5 please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance United States of America to the stands na God indivisible liy and
justice for all thank you under the open public meetings law notice of this meeting was sent to the cman County Herald and the Pres Atlantic City and a copy of the agenda was delivered to each member of city council posted on the city website and K May City Hall bulletin board notice is
hereby provided that K May City Council meetings are audio recorded and video stream live live video streams are posted to the Kate May City website city of Kate May is not responsible of audio recording or live video streaming of a meeting is unavailable roll call council member Baldwin here council member
Bodner here Deputy Mayor McDade here council member Meyer here mayor mullik here city solicitor Gillan Schwarz here uh Deputy city manager rigs here Deputy city clerk Turner here and CFO Haney here Council any additions or deletions
this evening Council any uh deletions or additions do you want to delete I am hearing there may be a tabling of a resolution if Council would like to deal with that now or at the consent agenda time
going to PLL 121 121 so um 12103 2025 this is a resolution of the city of Cap May authorizing Award of a Cooperative contract with Fox fence for restoration services Educational Service Commission of New Jersey Cooperative pricing system contract escnj
24255 do I have a motion I'll make a motion do I have a second I'll second this this is the table this is to table indefinitely okay okay yes do we need a roll call on that we do okay pardon me roll
call council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mullik yes any other additions deletions tabling anything else Council no okay
okay moving on to updates old business updates and old business Deputy city manager thank you mayor uh manager diet apologizes but he um is somewhere that is warm and tropical right now um so you have me uh just want to make note that
the manager's presentation and budget intro is scheduled for April 1st um agenda um All City projects are on track at this time I know we have a lot going on but everything with the weather yesterday kind of may have backed us up a day or two but everything generally is
on track you'll see the kind contractors back out at City Hall approximately next week doing some work removing um some landscaping and whatnot and then they'll be back for the the mill and pave later this month but it is open right now
we'll put the barricades out when we think that the public shouldn't be there um CFO Haney is here this evening because I know we have the um Mac that's here with us as well for the bond um
adoption and the resolution as well and that's all I have for an update mayor thank you dep Deputy city manager city solicitor um thank you mayor I just wanted to give a brief update on uh a topic that's probably been in the news
and on the minds of residents and and council members through emails probably you're receiving and we discussed it in closed but I just wanted to give um share some information uh and and brief history of uh the city's open open space
easement on the property known as 610 Beach Avenue um back in the 80s the city Administration undertook an effort to acquire uh something like 42 Acres along the beach front and to make sure that
they were uh able to conduct replenishment programs and also that those areas were maintained for open space recreational facilities and for the public um and this law was part of that effort and did
not result in the city acquiring it although they acquired some other Lots but what they did acquire um in agreement with the property owner was a very robust open space easement which includes you know certain restrictions like that the the property is going to
remain open undeveloped and in its natural condition which is directly from a publicly recorded document that's on record with the county clerk's office office was adopted at a public meeting and that type of language is not the
type of thing that's going to surprise the current property owner um and it is their right to list the property on the market um and the city also retains a WR of first refusal for any offer on that lot that comes in and I shared with
Council and I'm happy to share with the public that we've been um both parties have been in contact we're both aware of the easement aware of the the rights and obligations that are in there um and the city's not taking any action on that
tonight um but we are uh comfortable with those very robust restrictions that were were put in place for the benefit of the public and for the protection of the city and um and are are comfortable with those restrictions so I don't want to
get into uh whataboutism about those restrictions um U but I just wanted to uh you know give an outline of that what the context of it is um and and that uh there is a an easement in place for the
protection of the public and for the city thank you city solicitor city council any updates or old business no okay on ordinances for introduction yes Council we have 555- 2025 and ordinance amending section 434
of the Kate May city code to establish limits on City recycling collection and require private collection for amounts exceeding those limits for introduction this evening okay do I have a motion I'll make the motion do I have a second I'll
second questions or comments on this one I I do because um our solicitor um provided I I think with the motion and the second was made on the the original so we want to look at possibly adopting additional language which is
what our solicitor um provided if could you if Council would like I I could give a little bit of background as as to how we got here and um invite any other comments as we work through that but this some version of
this was presented to council um few weeks or months ago and was tabled back to the drawing board um and the drawing board involved a small group uh illustrious members of the Department of Public Works um our city manager team
and uh our our council members uh Miss McDade and Mr Meyer and we worked to come up with a concept that could work with what we have the city we we wanted to look at
what our capabilities are because I think we recognize that there is a practice in place about collection specifically as it pertains to recycling we're not talking about trash we're talking about recycling just to be clear and uh practice of collection for both
residential and Commercial properties has developed over the years for whatever reason and due to changes um but we have a code section that is inconsistent with that practice right now and the goal being let's try and establish something an update to the
code that could reflect what our capacity is to collect and it looked like the policy Direction and goal was not to say okay well our code section doesn't provide for collection so let's cold turkey that because we're able to
do it there was some capability to do it it's not infinite we can't collect everything but there is uh with our staff and with the materials and equipment that we have there is some capability to continue that collection so what we wanted to do and what the the
group's goal was and looking at examples from neighboring towns like Wildwood um and and other towns that are similarly situated and have that seasonal capacity um and you know boardwalks uh Washington Street Mall areas that have specific
needs during certain times of the year and to build an ordinance that we could we could work with and it may not be perfect but it might provide a jumping off point for both residential and Commercial collection understanding that there's probably some that would like to see
that practice discontinued and then there's probably others that are on the opposite end of the spectrum of saying just collect anything that I put out there neither of those positions seemed tenable they both seemed overly extreme so what we did in order to make
everybody unhappy is to try and find something in the middle so if you're unhappy about this I think that small group did its job but um boots on the the ground what does
this mean so there there'll be some limitations on you know providing single family and two family homes uh 2 96 gallon cans or equivalent we're talking about capacity Dimensions not necessarily weight but giving people you
know sort of like when you go to Spirit Airline and you see if you can fit it your carry-on within that Cube you know you kind of know what you're working with that was kind of the inspir ation for what we were going for give people at least some you know description or cue as to what they could
put at the curb um and then going up to uh mixed use properties you know the types of properties that might have two residential units up top and maybe a commercial unit on the bottom or you
know multi-unit complexes of of whatever composition um you know trying to give some uh Flex for the multi-units but also recognizing again that we have this capacity to collect limitation if we say
we're going to collect everything we got to go out and hire more guys and more trucks and all that which we're not we're not there yet so we're just trying to talking with the people that are actually doing this work wanted to get their feedback on what we can reasonably do and still do other things that we
need to do and we got that feedback and took that into account so we landed on you know looking at a per unit uh uh allocation but not to exceed six so if you get up you know say you have
eight units well you're you're going to be stuck with a you know six can limitation um recognizing our P capacity to collect and if you can't comply with that you know some people may look at it and think they're on the line or they're well under it well okay then you're
you're going to qualify for the city collection if you can't meet it you're just generating too much um collection to meet the allocations that are in here then that's when you go to private collection and a private hauler but the
uh goal here was to provide uh some measure of collection um probably not everything that everybody's looking for but um probably more than some would like to give you know depending on the situation that they're in so um there's examples
in here I didn't read the ordinance I was trying to give you just kind of a narrative of how it's going to function and there were two um other things uh addition was not in the one that's in the packet that uh councilwoman Baldwin just pointed out
and these would be potential additions and the first of which would be to allow the city manager and the municipal recycling coordinator to have the authority to direct the manner of collection for business owners owning Andor occupying properties within the
Washington Street Mall business Improvement District as set forth in chapter 505 of the city code and that's for purposes of assuring the safety and attractiveness of the district and the reason you might consider doing that is
because the bid is a statutory District um you know trash collection is one of those purposes that you might have a special assessment in there and they are assessed um in ways that other businesses are not they they they
collect and administer special Ms under the city code and it's a you know key part of uh the commercial Beating Heart of town so you might view that as you you want to give the discretion to you know specifically manage that collection
whatever it takes to keep that um in the condition it needs to be so that would be a carve out from these limitations essentially but it would allow the city manager and recycling coordinator to kind of uh address that as needed and then the second of second addition would
be any prop and this is more of a kind of a FYI public service announcement but felt Council felt may feel it's important to let the public know that okay we have these allocations and limitations for curb site collection but any property
owner in the city of Kate May shall also have the ability to bring excess recycling materials for drop off at the municipal recycling station located at canning housee Lane no less than 5 days a week at regular hours to be determined by the city manager we already do that
um but that would this is part as part of this process I think it was important to perhaps highlight that you know if you have excess recycling that couldn't be collected at the curb you want to throw it in the back of your car truck and drive over there during the hours that they set um you know that that's
another opportunity for collection so those were the two that was kind of the outline and then those last two things were the two potential additions and if Council would like to do that um I circulated a draft uh highlighted you know additional language and that
can be included via motion uh as an amendment okay uh Council woman baldman do you want to uh say what your edit is to the draft this we we were the only ones that
receiv received the draft and he read it the way it he read it corre col yeah it's updated it's already there y do I do I have a motion to amend the ordinance I'll make a motion to amend it do I have a second I'll second okay um
so on on the amended ordinance uh our solicitor just did a a pretty thorough uh and um description but just to go back a little bit further um no one up here or even uh in our
DPW um really started this issue this is being dealt with by every municipality in the country um basically what we used to happen is China would take our Recycling and I I won't get into a whole big thing okay but um with a trade in
balance a lot of those empty ships going back to China would actually be filled with our Recycling and that's why it had some value um unfortunately those things have changed and and we know that this is kind of going to be changing not just now but in the future as well so this
certainly won't be the last recycling ordinance unfortunately for some of the folks up here but um the change in the market is forcing every municipality to face how we pick up our recycling um if you read the paper I won't say the local
municipality near us but they're having their issues as well they're having to do exactly what we're doing essentially um kind of scaling back on how many cans it can't just be as many cans as you want so that's what this does I do highlight to most homeowners that that
this affects you're still getting two 96 gallon uh cans so that that is actually a lot of recycling um so even my house would don't put out two 96 gallon cans um but so I think it it it does provide
for a a large amount um and locally this issue was brought to us by our DPW and I've said this in the past that the uh other meetings that I get almost zero complaints from from our Department of Public Works who deal with some of the toughest issues that we have in town and
I see you guys doing that on a daily basis so um I know everyone up here at this table takes what they say seriously and um previously we had seen slides of okay this is what we're dealing with and these are the issues that we're having the issue with our code is that it says
no pickup for commercial properties we have commercial properties being picked up and then I have commercial properties asking the mayor why are they being picked up and we're not being picked up well because the code hasn't been really uh written well so I I do want to thank
um councilman Meyer um and and Deputy Mayor um um Moren McDade for um getting this together and I think getting us as close as we possibly can and as the solicitor said uh I think as close as we possibly can means just about everybody
doesn't like it so uh that's where we're at and but I think it's probably as close as we can and I and I appreciate um the hard work that went into it especially on something that might not be the most popular thing to do but we're willing to work together and and
get as close as we can with that I I can I just make a comment yeah I mean uh councilman Meyer and I worked on this as um Mr Gillan Schwarz explained with our representatives from DPW um and there was a lot of back and forth um this is as everyone has said
this is is far from perfect but I do think that we struck a compromise on being able to move us forward uh when we started this um it was at the request of our uh DPW uh leadership to say please help us get somewhere where we have some
reasonableness and how we can manage this um and they came open-minded uh with you know we want to be able to continue to provide this service um we just need to do so with the constraints so I really appreciate the spirit in which we able to get this done um It Is
by no means probably perfect as the mayor has said um but I think it is a wonderful starting point um and we have an opportunity to take a look at things um as you do all the time once you start a new process um and maybe revisit sort
of the structure or the um parameters at some point in time this since we did not have this on the books there are uh commercial properties that may have not had their recy picked up now they will have the opportunity to do so so we'll
have a better understanding of what the real Baseline is um and how we can service and accommodate also I just wanted to mention I should have put this out but um Eric and Frank put together something that will be posted on the website and I'll put these over there for everyone to take but it's it's a
great sort of uh educational tool on the uh recycling program and um sort of the different um you know how materials are picked up the hours of operation the holiday schedule the zones which days of the week they're picking up so
um they spend a lot of time and energy on that so I want to just thank them for um that effort um so thank you gentlemen very much and I'm sure your staff um will appreciate um us moving forward on this thank you mayor thank you um one thing that isn't in this ordinance but
we uh definitely want to make sure we do is looking at this November 1st after the Season Take a look and see what worked and what didn't I have a feeling we'll probably hear from folks well before November 1st and giving us opinions but we we want to hear that so
um I think I'd like to just put in the minutes because I don't I won't put in the ordinance but we should look at this again on November 1st just to analyze it have our DPW come in and um you know give us their recommendations as well yeah Mr Mayor yes please um I just
want to thank everybody as well for spending many hours on this um in City Hall and I think we spent a lot of hours at home you know not getting sleep about this I think as well um as a mayor and solicitor said currently the code is not consistent with our operations that's
the whole purpose of this um that's objective number one and as the deputy mayor said that we may be picking up more people that this may benefit instead of having to put it out the bid or or you know figure out a private uh hauler for themselves um my
goal go in in supporting this uh ordinance is to hear people from people that this may not uh accommodate which there's is a number of them out there we have a list of about a hundred uh businesses that may need more assistance
whether it's private or public so we want to make sure and my goal going into this and support of this is we want to hear from those businesses uh who may need extra help uh the reason for doing so is if we have an idea who needs more pickup we might be able to come up with
a a concept plan a a price for that extra pickup and the goal of that is to first of all be affordable to the the businesses um but also the my goal in this is to reduce truck traffic um and
noise throughout the town um if if the city has an ability to accommodate those people at a certain price um then the city would have more control over the times and locations of pickups throughout the week which would benefit you know our quality of life in the city
of Kate May so going into this this is the first uh reading we definitely want to hear from the public and uh not everybody's situation is uh the same so there's a lot of unique opportunities to uh hear from you thank you thank you Mr Meer anyone
else okay we have a motion in a second on the amended ordinance correct we have a motion in a second to amend okay I have a motion in a second to amend um roll call please council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council
member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mullik yes do I have a motion on the amended ordinance I'll make the motion do I have a second I'll second roll call council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor MCD yes council member
Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor MK yes okay on to ordinances for second reading and consideration for adoption we have 55222 an ordinance amending chapter 7 of the Kate May city code regarding metered
parking zones and fees with a public hearing tonight mayor is anyone here wishing to speak on 552 ordinance 552 seeing none we can close public comment do I have a motion I'll make a motion do I have a second I'll second I
have a question yes sir would this stuff uh that's part of our packet would that be on the website as well on we adop this it'll be updated right y thank you anything else Council roll call council
member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mik yes next we have 553-2024 uh $2,200,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of
$2,952 38 of bonds or notes of the city to finance part of the cost thereof with a public hearing tonight mayor is anyone here wishing to speak on ordinance 553 is the bond ordinance seeing none we can close
public comment do I have a motion I'll make the motion do I have a second I'll second any questions or comments Council I'll make a quick comment uh just uh a reminder to the public that we've
actually had a probably why there isn't much public comment we've had uh several uh presentations on this ordinance and um and all of council has really been supportive of of Mack as Mack has been supportive of the city of Kate May for
years and maybe a little bit outside of the ordinance but I was I have a meeting um this week with with senator in regards to our um prominade and and the um big FEMA um funding that we're
hopefully getting um and in preparation for that meeting I was doing a little research on our beaches and beach erosion and I came across um John Bailey's um rest in peace uh he did a eight minute video on the history of
Kate May and uh it's on YouTube it's it's only eight minutes take it's it's a wonderful reminder and um it it makes you proud to be sitting at this table you you you remember the history of the city of Kate may but in
that video it you know it goes actually goes back to 18,000 years ago like a prehistoric uh portion in the first couple seconds and then it gets into more modern history in the 1700s the 1800s and then closer to today and talks
about in 1976 Mac I 76 right I think Mac is formed and of course saves the physic estate and and then goes further and then there's this p young couple that's opening a bed and breakfast that n named Tom and Sue Caroll and then it goes
further and further into the history but still young what watching that this morning just reminded me that you know this is a little bit a part of history is in in helping preserve the physic estate and you know what could have
happened in the city of Cap May and and what didn't happen because people stepped up and uh I think this is a step in the right direction and and really um Mac could not be a better partner for the city um especially because they're willing to pay us for this Bond and and
we'll be paying that and fixing up a city property but um couldn't find a better Steward of the building and so we thank you very much um anyone else want to say anything on this Bond okay yeah
all right roll call please council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mullik yes wonderful Mr [Applause]
Mayor resolution Mr Myer did you want to say that should we uh do the resolution next since here and yeah yeah absolutely good good good point yep we are looking at I
agree sure okay we's go out of order for just a moment and go to our resolutions resolution 130 is that good sure sure Council we uh have resolution 13-03 2025
resolution authorizing a non-binding letter of intent with the midatlantic Center for the Arts a New Jersey nonprofit for Bond and reimbursement plan to fund improvements to the city- owned property known as the emlin physic estate do I have a motion I'll make the motion do I have a second I'll second
any questions or comments council do do you mind if I have our solicitor um discuss the non-binding when it's going to actually turn to binding yeah the it's this is a a companion to the bond ordinance um whether it was obvious or not but it's
the it's a non-binding letter of intent with Mac and the reason it's characterized as non-binding is because uh we're going to have to the repayment terms are not going to be finalized until we actually have a bond sale so we
approve the bond tonight it it'll be you know 20 days from final passage and then that's not the actual sale though as everybody at the table knows so we'll what we'll do the city will end up doing is bundling this amount with probably some other bonds that we've Au
authorized in the past and sometime in mid 25 Kevin um like we've done before get the rate do a closing and at that time we'll have an idea a better picture uh of what those repayment terms will
look like and that will form the basis of a final loan agreement which we will coordinate with Mac so before any money goes out the door the both parties were going to are going to coordinate on what the repayment terms will be and we have a final picture of that when the actual
Bond sale happens so but what we wanted to do is get ahead of that and their council is here um and we wanted to flush out and and get the essential terms of that loan agreement Incorporated in this uh letter of intent so we've we've done a a lot of the um
the substantive Provisions that we were looking for um are in this letter of intent and then we'll be able to finalize the financing terms once that sale occurs so there's a couple dominoes that have to fall and that's why it was characterized as
non-binding great thank you any other questions Council comments roll call please council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner yes council member Baldwin yes mayor mullik
yes and moving on Council to the public portion on resolutions only is anyone here wishing to speak on resolution this evening please come to the microphone state your name and [Music] address Stacy Shan 928 Columbia Avenue
um I have a question about resolution uh 12203 it's about uh the roof repair for convention hall I guess my question is I've always been told a metal roof last for a long time I didn't understand why we're this is being repaired already the
convention hall we're still paying on the loan for the convention hall it's it's due to a leak but you do you want to sure I can elaborate further or if you'd like I can have Eric pinski who happens to be here as well yeah why don't you come on up
because you know is that something that maybe we should go back to the people that installed it if it's leaking so basically just by way of introduction for it is there is a leak and it's kind of at its um life term of the usefulness
of it and and what is that the life term repair the warranty on the roof was a 10-year warranty um the metal roof the metal roof yes we had a company come out that installed from the original uh did the warranty repair the warranty repair
didn't hold up and it's due for the amount of water that's catching inside the gutter system that the gutters are located inside the building there's the room's not the gutters aren't built big enough to hold the flow of water which
is causing the gutter to over building so are we changing the gutters then yes so the gutters are going to be extended to a 6-in gutter uh right now to 3-in gutter it's going to be extended to a 6-in gutter with also replacing the roof as well because you got to take the
roof off to do the gutter work CU they're the gutters built into the roof system okay okay thank thank you Eric got thank you Eric okay my other question has to do with uh resolution uh
1233 having to do with the preservation Grant and it says encouraging small business to create a mixed neighborhoods is there a certain area that this is targeting because I think in the past it was this area out here where Franklin Street and the Acme was one of the
preservation grants I don't know if that's the same area or if this is for all of Kate May I I believe it's the same location same location yeah so it's just just one location again we're not expanding that location at all no same location is there a reason why we're not expanding
it and we're just staying with the same um area that we keep giving them the opportunity for money and not expanding it so city manager Dietrich has looked into this had a conversation with Mr rella who is one of our grand Consultants um on this and there's still
work that needs to be done in that portion of the city um as we know there has been extensive work that has already been going on out there but it's been highlighted in numerous magazines articles newspapers and we felt that it was best
to continue with the efforts of that for this time so the small businesses from what I understand would only be here at the acne parking lot those businesses are the only ones that are included because Franklin Street they there's a one home and I guess the old Methodist
Church is at condo and city owns Franklin Street school so I don't know any businesses there so are we just keep giving money to the Acme area is that what it comes down to it's the same parameters I don't think I don't think that's what it's going to no I think Franklin Street yeah no businesses on
Franklin Street that's my point so I I don't know the answer to this ex I mean I just don't know the answer to uh but I believe the reason that we're receiving the grant is the projects in that area so I I'm not positive of that offand but
we can get the answer to you for sure right because it seems like it's looking to you know expand mixed use with businesses and to me the only business would that well sturdy Savings Bank I I don't think you would consider the
Harriet Tubman Museum a business or are you considering that a business and I'm under the impression it's not just for the use of businesses no I gu well the grant is saying that they're trying to get people to to mix use of
businesses that's why Well commun Community investment too I think so it has more application than just that and I think this is something that we go out for almost every year if I'm if I'm I just I don't understand why we're not expanding the area we're we're we keep giving the same money to the same area
instead of expanding it I don't know whether or not if if we're saying it might be on the other it might be within the Acme area onto the other side versus Franklin but I don't know without with having Mr Rella would be able to I mean before it was only the Acme area because I think they I think and hold me if I'm
wrong but I think the money was given to the Acme for their improvements I'm pretty sure that was under a covid program at that time but I I just I don't I just said I'm not sure I just continues this continues a lot of the work that we've been doing on the
Franklin Street area so I so then my then my question is so it's just really for the city to benefit that's all I'm asking and this is just to note this is for an application so we have an opportunity okay because it was from what I was reading from this resolution it was
saying small businesses and I wouldn't consider the city to be the business well it's say neighborhood preservation program so without really understanding what how that is defined in the Grant application it's kind of hard for us to just guess at this point so right now
it's just saying that we're applying so I think we just should be asking for Mr Ral yeah cuz I think if you read that it says applicants in the neighborhood in the neighborhoods so to me applicants is not the city it's people that are in
that neighborhood excuse me this is the benefit city is the recipient of this okay that's fine it didn't really read that way I think that's just the wording every year of the but the city is the reci yeah it's not for it's not for money to go to small businesses it's
it's to encourage small business job creation and invite greater business and Community investment in Economic Development so I think it's kind of like broader applic why why I asked this is because in the past there have been grants out there where people in the
community could come to that and get the money and Miss that's not what this is for this is as Mr Gillan Schwarz expanded upon is for economic development and the spur of the city has identified that the Franklin Street area
is one of those areas in the city that we want to apply These funds for if we're successful as I noted it was in the newspaper in featured in numerous historic preservation magazines we just got an award and was featured in one of the national magazines for the Franklin
Street school so that's what this is for okay that's fine thank you for your clarification you're welcome my last question has to do with resolution 134 that talks about funding for Windows and brick mortar well when I was on Council I know it was Mr mullik one of
his first things he did was have the the building repointed and the windows flashing fixed and I thought all that leaking was was dealt with and I was surprised to see this on there again with the fact that I thought we already took care of those issues so mayor if
you'd like so it did but uh some time pass well it's only been about three years you're right but this is a this is a resolution authorizing for a a county grantor preservation City Hall well it
it specifically talks about Windows and brick mortar so that's why my point is if we just did this less than five years ago and there's leaks then we should be bringing the person back that did this and say they didn't do the work correctly I don't disagree with you some
some of that should happen saying it's not but some of these were windows that apparently weren't done in that portion so this is just authorizing us to go to the county and seek okay I just I just look at it
as we're redoing work that was already done and if it wasn't done to I don't believe it's the same work okay because if it wasn't done to the proper caliber then we should hold workers accountable for work being done I agree with you and I will make sure that that's the case but I believe that a large portion of
this things that weren't done yet and evidently it's listed that there was someone who conducted A needs assessment an architect so I would presume there's a report that substantiates the need well person that did a need assessment may not don't know that we just did it four years ago and that this person should come back so with all that being
said this resolution is for us to go seek the grant funding I understand what you're saying we did pull a resolution this evening that was basically us looking at okay this is how much it would cost for that work to be done and we have gone back and potentially maybe
identified a funding source that would be able to help us in that capacity and I realize that and I agree with you that if a contractor has not performed up to their duties or their obligations to the city I'm going to be the first one that's going to call them up and say Hey
you better you get but but let let me just finish here but unfortunately that project that you're speaking about has been closed out not all that work that was that we're talking about was included in that though okay the only reason why I'm bringing it up because you were not here and I think there was
only one person on Council that was here that may have not realized that this work was completed and that that's why you know we should not be redoing work because sometimes when councils are there's turnover on Council and everything people don't know there was actually work done before they came on to council and that work was should it
be looked at and completed properly sure and I can appreciate that and miss miss Shen um just to follow up that's part of the reason why 121 was pulled okay cuz there was work done but I understand that there are windows and you're looking at repointing around the windows where you're disturbing certain things
we need to get a little bit more clarification on that but this is really just going out for that Grant from my understanding the whole building was repointed it was but now we're looking at redoing windows so there there are some things when the needs assessment was completed there were things that were going to have to be done as far as
repointing in areas that were going to be disturbed or and other areas where um there has been other work done on this building since the the lightning strike like things like that so there have been other things so this was looking at that in that lens if if you can understand
that and then you know and then redoing the bulk of it I think was the windows but we we need to get clarification on it okay thank you yep Jules Rous 1010 New York Avenue I know the uh resolution 121 was tabled but I'd like I'd like to ask more of a a
general question when when we uh have a project as an example in 121 do we get an outside um quotation or a review or do we just
accept using the uh uh the state program of purchasing State contract the state contract pardon me State contract um yeah uh I think specifically for this one I think it should go out to
bid that's my question it all depends on the project Mr rash it all depends on the project and you know evaluating it within our internal staff we have a conversation with our um qualified purchasing agent as well and then we come to the um kind of that agreement
either a we should take this out to bid or it's worth that effort to do that or B we'll utilize the state Cooperative pricing system which essentially just for the public they understand the state already went out to bid for that contractor and obtain that
pricing yeah because I think at some point we we need to have an evaluation of is that a fair price that we're getting and is there someone else that can give us something maybe a little better I I agree with you agree with you and um and because some of the state
contract stuff is good some of it's just okay I mean but I think the deputy City manager's point is that that state contract did go out to bid those numbers are under that bid and we have the availability to use that which which is which is obviously a good thing to have
that option getting other quotes and taking a look at something that's could be close to 300,000 believe me I I agree great thank you uh and 135 that's a resolution approving emergency temporary budget appropriation
is that um are specific items or is that more or less to pay bills okay Kevin that's just to pay bills um each year the temporary budget is set at 26.25 per of the prior Year's budget to cover the first quarter of the year however each
year the state pushes out the budget adoption timeline further than that so this is just to cover any bills that come up in that period And I know it's not it's not one of the resolutions but I I hope we have the opportunity for a little discussion uh this evening about the recycling so
that there's a little more uh effort for the public to to describe what they their concerns are thank you please anyone else on resolutions this evening seeing none we'll close public comment do I have a motion um I'm sorry
would anyone like to remove I don't want to I don't want to take the city clerk okay um is there anything Council would like to remove from the consent agenda this evening um recognizing that we already removed 121 and acted on 130 mhm
is there something that you wanted to remove okay we good okay okay and with the acknowledgement that council member Bodner will be abstaining from the minutes okay all good do I do I have a motion I'll make the motion do I have a
second I'll second roll call council member Meyer yes Deputy Mayor McDade yes council member Bodner I abstain on the minutes and vote Yes on the res Solutions council member Baldwin yes and mayor mullik yes
okay okay on to new business uh city solicitor any new business nothing tonight mayor thank you Deputy city manager n tonight mayor city clerk just a few um I did want to report that mertile license renewal invoices were
emailed out on March 6th so if anybody from the public has not received them yet please check your junk email it would have come from a licensing at Kate May City email address if you have not received it please reach out to my office and we can resend it to you all
right um you have the option of paying online you do not need to pay online you're more than welcome to print that out and bring it into the office the invoice with all of the required paperwork everybody needs an updated uh proof of insurance that is a state
requirement um and there are certain other required documents depending on the kind of uh mertile classification you hold so please reach out to my office if you haven't seen it yet if you're having trouble accessing it and we will find another way of getting it to you okay city clerk I do want to
thank you and staff to getting that um credit card payment option alog together it was I know a lot of people wanted our pleasure it was it was some work but I mean pretty smooth so far we're only a couple weeks [Laughter] in um and additionally we are hosting a
job fair at the convention hall on Wednesday May 7th from 4: to 7:00 p.m. um if you're interested in attending everybody more the merrier please bring your resume be ready to interview on the spot if you're interested in being a vender please reach out to the Kate Maya
convention hall staff you can call 884 9563 and they can set you up with being a vendor so please come on out to our job fair great that's it Council council member uh see councilwoman
Baldwin just two quick things mayor um the mayor gave a wonderful blessing of the waters before the Polar Bear Plunge at corney's um no but that in all in all seriousness and he went in in his suit but um no in all seriousness that
that was a wonderful event um it helped the food closet and next gen3 um great so they really did a wonderful job and I you ran in it too I did yeah yeah good job no Polar Plunge for me though um and then just a reminder
singer songwriter has not been here since way preco um they're going to be here March 28th and March 29th and it's it'll be all across town it'll be a really nice event yeah I saw that there's a lot of uh new places that had it so that's exciting really cool and
that's all my thank you okay councilman Bodner uh look we had another crazy rainstorm this week uh it would raining really really hard I know um I would say this Eric and Frank I saw um public works out there clearing the storm
drains thank you very much I know your staff is out there working really hard so um when I had a chance to see him on the street I thank them very grateful I know um for um your staff being out there just a reminder to Residents who have a storm drain in front of your
house if you see it starting to back up and the the the U the road starting to fill up with water um help us help out your neighbors help out yourself just clear the debris away from that drain um as you're clearing up your yard that's what I do right
[Laughter] guys all right uh deputy mayor uh I just um we passed the resolution tonight to engage with Decker on the short-term Reynolds so very happy to see that and I I know it may be a little bit premature but would like just know when we're
going to be kicking that off um I know that they had talked about a a 30-day implementation so really excited for us to get that online so I don't know we have access um to the software and this is this is for basically ensuring
compliance we're able to view all listings they are able to provide the service where you can see if somebody if if a property is listed without a mertile license so um I begged Paul to let us get through some mertile renewals first
and then we'll start you know learning learning the program it seems pretty user friendly and once we get through mertile renewals then we will switch gears and look more towards trying to round up the stragglers awesome thanks great councilman Meyer uh the
only thing that's on my mind right now I just hope that everybody can uh participate with me and having hopes and prayers for the astronauts to come home tomorrow finally I think it's a really big day in American history and it's something they did yeah oh well that's great news
so um they have very wobbly legs I just think that's the it's been very fascinating for me it's something new in uh our space history and I just think um you know God bless those folks for doing what they did without with professionalism and and courage
cool um so I have an announcement for uh the mayor's Wellness campaign um Kate ma CI will be part participating in the mayor's Wellness campaign it was just a Statewide initiative aimed at helping residents live healthier lives uh as part of this campaign we will be
scheduling and hosting Kate May City walk and talks so myself and other council members I hope you've heard this before now uh along with the representative from Administration uh other department heads will help will join residents for
Community neighborhood walks so uh these walks are obviously an excellent opportunity for us to get together and uh have a conversation hear any thoughts ideas comments and uh and and actually get some exercise at the same time we can get out of the office which is great
and not be on email too so um so look look uh forward to announcements for upcoming dates and um I know um uh Deputy uh city manager will be asking all the council members for dates that you may have available for a nice little walk and hear from our residents so
that'll be kind of nice uh with that we'll open it up to the public anyone wishing to speak on any topic this evening please come to the microphone state your name and address and we be thank you Jules R 1010 New York Avenue I'd like to just make a few comments about the
recycling that program worked extremely well for years and then in 2017 it changed uh changed without any any real motiv motivation it just it just it happened when you have a business you have
expenses and you have Revenue if you have a business you're responsible for your expenses whether it's a a car dealership or a bed and breakfast or a rental property you have that obligation
to pay for your expenses the taxpayer should not be required to pay for the expenses for someone that is earning a uh a profit from whether it's a business or a uh a
particular item or a service that they're earing so we have a meranti license and that system worked very very well and with this new additional program we have I think we'll probably get somewhere close between between 95 and
100% of anyone that is that in in a an activity is going to have a merant license for years the meranti license was the the key and I think that should be the key if you have a meranti license you're in business you should pay for
your own recyclables that collection is based on what you do and the the opportunity that you're you're offering it should not be a taxpayers liability the the unfortunate thing is in the city we now have an issue that's
really difficult to solve because we we've gotten we've gotten lazy and we've gotten into some programs that we frankly should not be in and I look at at the cost cost to run these recycling whether it's uh recycling or whether it's trash collection these these pieces
of equipment are expensive they're expensive to purchase they're expensive to maintain and when you take a um a small community community like K May and you burden it with an excessive amount of recycling material to be selected
that equipment is going to is going to wear out quickly and I think it's unfair to ask our public uh employees to take that equipment and then have to pick up some
of these trash cans that are poorly placed the burden that we that they have is significant we've we've had a number of workman's comp cases in the past we're going to the way you have it set up right now with this uh proposal under
555 is there's going to be a significant increase in the amount of material that that you're asking the Public Works dep Department to collect I don't think it's fair for them I don't Fair think it's fair for the taxpayer to have to bear that burden and it's not a difficult
thing go back to where we were the ordinance that is in place it worked and I see think it should continue thank you thank you Mr rou anyone else this evening Mr House um I'm asking about the recycle Cy sh
928 Columbia Avenue um the recycling I guess I need some clarification because it wasn't really stated in the paperwork for the ordinance how many containers are is a business allowed to have there's the well the the examples
don't but there's examples but they don't actually state how many a business allowed to have that's why I'm asking so a commercial property gets an allocation of basically
equivalent to 496 gallon cans okay now if there's multiple units on that site like let's say that there's a commercial unit on the bottom and then there's two residential on top or something like that then you would get potentially six
let's say that there's four uh total units up there or or three up top and one commercial on the bottom you you can't go beyond six now when I my question is with this right so there's a place above a
business and they decide to take a three-bedroom make it all three one-bedrooms they each get one no um I mean it you get whatever is permitted on that site so like you have to have you
know permitted use you have a commercial unit on the bottom it's a mixed use permitted building and then you look at the number of units and then you can go up to six okay now and this includes restaurants yes so restaurants that have
a liquor license they're making money on that get to put out the recycling but only four cans correct okay motels four cans four cans a bed and breakfast or anything four cans now like a bed and breakfast is that consider just one
unit it would be Comm it would be considered a just four be considered like a hotel so you get four un four units okay okay thank you for your clarification I was getting um my one question has to do with did the library get hit by uh lightning the other
night not to my knowledge okay just it may have I I just don't know okay yeah um not that I'm aware yeah Frank can you
just they had a fire alarm over there a couple nights ago uh one of the lights fell down on the main power line so alarms were going off two nights ago I do know that but as far as I know there was no lightning strike there as far as okay I wasn't sure it was a lightning strike or power surge they had power surge cu the light out back fell on top
of the main the main lines out back okay from the wind and from the wind from the wind okay yes yep okay thank you just so the public is aware Mr mcclesky is one of our Public Works supervisors and also is one of our Deputy OEM
coordinators um my other question has to do with the work that they're doing on the the boardwalk Down By The Cove are they removing benches at this point or not yet not yet not yet okay I wasn't sure if they were at that point my last question or is not really a question um
I just wanted to do a shout out that the blessing of the waters for the Fisher Memorial is going to be on April 5th Saturday at 11:00 a.m. thank you for that uh anyone else from the public TRC tvy 79 721 Franklin Street I
have a question about the recycling um I I don't have like a 96 gallon can so I put out like I guess they 32 gallon cans and I put like three out some times sometimes to and I and I have to give a
shout out to Public Works any chance I get I have to say you people are absolutely phenomenal and I always say hello to them and thank you for being there all the time and thank you for all the work you do in the city you do a fabulous job thank you we appreciate and I want to tell you my recycling has not
been picked up today but that's okay it has nothing to do with it no seriously it's a tough and I I talk to Edy quite a lot we've become close friends because I know there's an issue on my street on Franklin Street picking up my recycling but it's not a problem they always pick
it up but I am concerned about the cans you know like out there to jump into the qu to answer the question about the 96 gallon can uh again myself Frank Miss McDade Mr Meyer and our solicitor have worked so that's where in the parenthesis of the the
uh the ordinance we put in one 96 gallon can or two 6 gallon cans or give you an equal to amount of a gallon so 332 gallon cans comes out to a 96 gallon can okay just so you would your three cans would be picked up right they would be
picked up corre yeah I just want to check three cans you know you see three cans and I just want to check well thank you so much I appreciate it thank you again thanks for everything you do thank you better [Laughter]
hurry all right Bernie H 1069 Michigan Avenue I just want to extend uh my gratitude for having gotten that yellow bathroom off Beach Avenue I complained about that 10 years ago when it was first constructed if that's the right word and
now that it's gone it took uh it took you guys to do it because I complained about to many other Council people and it only happened here because of you thank you thank you Bernie thank you Bernie yeah thank you and and I do thank everybody who was
involved in that and getting the new restroom in and then being able to get rid of the old one so thank you anyone else this evening seeing none we can close uh have a wonderful evening everyone thank you I'll make the motion motion thank you
thank you s time is 6:16 6:16 thank you thank you everyone have a wonderful evening