I've been living She's two minutes early. Thank you for helping out, Danny. >> Sure. >> That was a curve ball. >> We didn't expect. >> Are you going to the other meeting at
3:00 in Kate Courthouse? >> It's with um Kate May County Commissioners. >> It's Yeah, it's commissioners from southern New Jersey, but I've been to them before and they're >> it's basically a watchdog that we're
>> because they're so, >> you know, >> corrupt. >> Yeah. But the commissioners all get together and they talk about the playground in Wildwood or
something like that. No, I can't make it. >> All right, I'm going to do my hearing aids. >> So, I have super superhuman hearing. Steve, how you doing? because >> you can do this and
>> I would struggle with it because I'm not really technically Yeah, I'm not worried about it, but I will send you my bullet point notes beforehand just so you can be talking about things.
>> So, What I wanted to do was kind of recap like introduce like remind them of what the project was doing. >> Summarize the four sections of the
report. The first briefly and then expand probably like five on the which would be how at this time we don't really need to
do anything except be aware that there's another cohort of students at Barard and Columbia who are working on putting together a stakeholder engagement plan >> how are you Good morning. In compliance with the
Open Public Meetings Act of 1975, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided. If any member has reason to believe that this meeting is being held in violation of this act, they should state so at this time. Seeing none, the pledge of >> allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Dave, roll call, please. >> Yep.
Um Mike. >> Yep. >> Councilman Bodner here. Christopher, Gretchen, Kimberly, Randall >> presenter, >> Justine
>> here, >> Barbara >> present, >> Sarah >> here, >> Charlotte >> from middle school >> here. >> Myself. >> Can we have minutes of October 28th?
Uh, anybody have any corrections or additions to that? All we have a vote to approve. All those in favor? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I >> I Oops.
>> All right. All business. Uh, the planning board, we had a relatively short meeting the last meeting. Uh we do have the uh affordable housing resolution coming back to us for review.
Um originally we had approved only the three blocks in center city. Then council wanted us to approve the whole C1 district which we did and now it's coming back to us because I'm not sure what's going on. Simple as that. Uh we
also heard we heard uh an application from Carney. They're going to re we're going to redo their entrance doors a little bit and was pretty straightforward and we approved that application. Okay. Uh you want to say you're you're
up next? >> Yeah, sure. Okay. Um just a couple matters to uh to discuss. One is at our last city council meeting um the a resolution was um passed awarding the
bid for Harborview Park. Um it came in at $1.75 million. Um you know this is the um it's going to restore the park. Uh there's a lot of work that's going to
be um done there. Um the time frame for this is that we still plan on uh breaking ground and having this completed um in the spring springtime. Um from the funding, a lot
of the funding came through the source of of the source of that was through a county grant. Um I think we'd had an opportunity to look at the latest revised plans. They'd been revised a few a few times with some variations
regarding particularly the plantings um for the um for the park. We had a chance to look at that I think last meeting or meeting a recent meeting um beforeh before before this group as well. Uh so excited to see that project uh
finally getting to a point where we're going to have shovels in the ground. Um, also want to mention that we also passed a resolution approving a lead service line uh replacement project. Um, Kate May, just
like all communities are required to develop and maintain an inventory of all water service line materials connected to the distribution system. Um essentially this is uh what's needed is to identify lead pipe um and galvanized
pipe um with the idea that they need to be replaced. Um Kate May is obviously an older community. Um there has been work through obviously some of the the new projects as they've been under uh
underway and and have taken place have replaced some of those materials. But um by 2031 all community water systems are required to replace their lead service lines. So at this point we need to city
needs to identify um all of those lead service lines and this project um is regarding regarding the inventory and determining just um what are the materials throughout the
entire uh water service um inventory. at this point identified 3,224 unknown lines as far as whether they're lead or galvanized or whether they're safe. So that's clearly the the focal point to identify those particular
lines. Um the a a provider has been uh an engineering firm has been approved to engage in identifying um those lines. This is another project that is going to
be um paid for by way of a grant. Um they the engineering firm came to uh came to city council and gave a presentation last week and showed some information there. It's they have kind of like a a high-tech way of being able
to identify some of these lines. So, it's uh it looks like it's going to be this is a a significant first step in um in replacing the lines. Um but this is a project that's going to begin uh this fall. Um starting with outreach to the
community, people that have unidentified lines, anybody is listening, you're going to be receiving a mailer from uh from the engineering firm. if you have an unidentified identified line. The city um and the engineering firm is doing outreach through um through door hangers as well as uh trying to canvas
and get the word out. Um when the inspections take place, they're going to be brief at individual's homes. They do need to go and be able to inspect in a lot of instances just uh below um an individual's home, but it might be say a 15minute inspection. Um and it is an
important step because at some point u we these the uh it needs to be identified as far as whether people may have galvanized or lead pipes because they'll uh be targeted for replacement. the field investigation um aspect of
this will take place in the fall and winter of 2025, projecting that um construction of this because um after they're identified, the pipes are identified, construction probably wouldn't take place until 2026 um and last through 2028, but that would still
put Cape May um well ahead of the of the projected deadline or the deadline of of 2031. >> Is that a statewide mandate? >> It is. It is. Um and so that's a again that's that's the project that's that's taking place. Um
>> how many are projected to be here? So there they have identified they have they have a they have a map and there are and Paul's going to step up and can provide more information on this, but there's over 3,000
um there's there's property >> just over 3,000 that we don't know exactly what type of material there is from the meter into the house. We have a very good record of from the meter that's connected to the the main and and
we're probably f, you know, we'll probably have all of those replaced here real shortly, but it's from the main from the water meter into the house. We have 3,000 that we have to figure out with. Um, and that's what this project is starting to do. And
then we'll be applying for grant money as part of that to have those lines replaced for free if you know into your home. Um, but we are as part of that we're that technology that uh Steve talked
about, we are looking for um about 30 property owners that would help volunteer to help do a pilot study program for this new technology. And we're looking for people that have known lead service line. So, if you know you have a galvanized line from the um
street into your home, we're looking for some of those volunteers to to test it with this new technology to to show that it's an easier way to to locate lead service lines. Um so, we're but as a pilot study, we we're trying to find volunteers to help us out in the
beginning part of this project. >> May I make a recommendation as you're looking for volunteers or if you're struggling to have residents um comply um happily with the program perhaps a
PSA or information on the door hanger thates the health risks >> that's in so that's that's also included on our the city's website we have that information also >> okay would there be a timeline as far as construction or age of these homes that were put in with lead
>> well typically uh lead service lines were con potentially used in homes up until very early 80s, not really around here, probably in the mid70s. Um, so if you have an an older home,
which obviously, you know, in Kate May, we have a lot of older homes, there's a good chance that you have a an a most likely a galvanized pipe service line. And what some people have realized, if you think back, if you've owned your
home for a long time, a lot of times that galvanized pipe will corrode and and maybe get a leak in it like right when it comes through the building. And your plumber to save a homeowner money, they only replace a section from to to get it outside and then they, you know,
so that oh, it looks like in the house, oh, I've got a nice copper pipe in the house, but you know, four feet outside the house. From there to the meter, it's a galvanized pipe and you don't, you know, besides the the obvious health risk, it it'll eventually will corrode
and leak and then you got to replace >> versus lead or is it has some lead there? >> Well, the galvanized pipe will leech metals similar to what the lead pipes are. So, it's not >> lead, but it's >> it still has to be replaced.
>> Still has to be replaced. Yes. But traditionally where we see lead is not lead pipe. It's lead fittings. Whether it's, you know, at when one of these connection points would have lead these lines or they they >> pressure lines.
>> They're pressured lines. >> Yes. Yeah. To your water line coming in from the street. So it's there are pressure pipelines. >> What role does water testing play? >> What is that? >> What role does uh water? So, so we we have to go through a yearly we have a set of known properties that we test
every year as part of our sampling program that we do at the D and we test to make sure that the water in our lines even though that there's galvanized pipe meets the safe requirements. So for an individual homeowner, if they have had
their water tested like you know on their own on their their own account in the past several years, would they then be compelled to participate in this? >> Well, we're going to if we identify it,
we're we're going to have to replace the lead service line. This isn't the this is not galvanized pipes that would be in your house. This is just the galvanized service line from the street into the house. >> I >> but but that water test but see a lot the only time that you're really going
to pick up that on a water test and most of the water tests won't find it is because you have to flush the water. The problem is when the water lays in the pipe overnight or if you haven't been there for a month or two and you come back and you use that first wash of
water, that's when you have or you have a continued long exposure of uh drinking that water, it normally won't show up. It won't fail as a lead test in a in a standardized water test that you're going to find. I think that that would
be helpful information for people >> and that's what we have on our website. >> Well, I went through this I had my children um tested high for lead from drinking water um here a few years ago and we had to go through a whole um
testing process at the house. So sensitive subject for me. Sorry for all the question. >> Yeah. No. And that's and that's why the cities >> Yeah. And it turns out it was fine. But in the process of going through that, I learned a lot about it and it is scary.
>> Yes. >> Steve, any more anything else you want to say? >> So, was there anything more on the on lead pipes, Paul? No, that would add just please, you know, we have sever a lot of information that that talks about the the risks and and the exposure um
for lead in the pipes and it's important to help participate and help us find it. That's why the city's been very proactive in removing lead pipes in the distribution main and and and at up to the meter. Um, so I think we only have
about 10 or 12 connections left in the city from that respect, but now we're really trying to hit, you know, the service connections behind the meter and making sure that everybody's connection is as safe as it can be. >> I don't want to put you on the spot, but
I know they um in the presentation the outreach reach team mentioned about the the mailers that they're going to be sending out to the uh to to the ones they don't >> the mailers will mailers go to everybody. So, the mailers, >> when is that going to go out? >> So, it's going to go in your next water bill. >> Okay. >> In your next water bill, you'll get a
mailer that'll talk about um the program and it'll have information on self-reporting um and as and more about the program to reach out to us. >> These like what inch, inch and a quarter, inch and a half lines. Is that what we're talking about here?
>> It's usually a one inch 3/4 one inch line coming in from the street. Inch and a half possibly. >> Okay. Thanks, Paul. Um, the last thing I wanted to mention is Mike, I had mentioned this to you at the beginning of the meeting. The, uh, the fire department just received a a new ladder
truck, uh, which just went into, I guess it's in service, service now that just was delivered this past Wednesday. Last Wednesday, seems like it was so long ago already. Uh, but last Wednesday, I think >> was Friday. Okay, maybe that's why. So, um, one of the features that's aside
from it being, uh, new and necessary equipment, um, one of the things that stood out to me is the turning radius on this truck is particularly tight. Um, which is a real plus. Um, I think our fire department, they have already
driven, I'm sure this one as well, but they had they had driven the same the same truck um throughout town and realized that it would in some of our narrow streets that they would be able to have a lot more accessibility with this truck that than they would have had with the prior uh piece that it's
replacing. So, I think it's a welcome addition to the fire department and it's just part of another element of keeping the city safe. >> Are you going to sell the other other ladder, Chuck? Yes. >> And so if you're looking for a a used ladder truck, we have one for sale. Yes,
Mike. >> Okay. >> Yeah. My name >> Well, you can't park it in the front of the house. You'd have to park it in your side yard or rear yard here in the city of Cape May. Um >> Okay, I can do that.
Justine, you want anything on the Columbia? um >> update. >> Yeah, briefly. Um I met with one of the working groups last week and they were relaying to me
some of the updates. There are four working groups and some are looking at macro system recommendations um more infrastructurebased uh like citywide approaches to uh coastal resilience and the mitigation of
flooding. Other groups are looking at micro level uh recommendations. So, how can individual residences um implement certain building materials, architectural methods, um landscaping
choices to help mitigate flooding? Um, one of the topics that came up was the installation of sponge gardens and parks, which and I don't know if you're familiar with the method, but it's used
pretty widely in Asia very successfully, um, basically creates um, a lot of surface area that can absorb water both through rainwater and tidal flooding, um, storms and just, you
normal water buildup. Um, and there it can be like large scale or small scale. Um, they're also looking at more options for permeable surface. Um, you know, they're revisiting the ordinances
um that the HPC uses to I guess and also planning for addressing the ratios of permeable to impermeable surface. um different lots and different types of materials like apparently there are
actually um asphalt and concrete like materials that will instead of causing runoff just absorb water. Um so the recommendations will be quite varied. Um
there should be a whole menu for us to read through but they seem to really be on the right track. Um John Becker, the chair of the HPC was in that meeting. He was thrilled with the direction that it was moving. One of the working groups is
meeting with Paul soon next week. >> We can get a confirmation. Yeah. On the date, but I know we were trying to set something up. >> Yeah. They're uh they have questions related to finance and different programs that they're hoping um to
recommend as well. The final report will be in mid December um probably right around the 15th 17th something like that. Um so that's the current project. the one from the spring. Just to uh
circle back on that very briefly, I am giving a presentation to city council on December 2nd, next Tuesday, just uh briefly summarizing the four different sections of it and because it's likely
that they haven't read the incredibly long final report. Um, and then giving them the update on the tiered water pricing system and rebate system that we're hoping at some point in the next few years we can actually um make
actionable. Uh, and giving them an update on the timeline coming out of the climate school through the partnership with Barnard College and the students there who are putting together a stakeholder engagement plan or roadmap
for us. So that's the update. >> That's next Tuesday. You're doing that, >> correct? >> Okay. Now, new business. Uh Paul, while you're here, you going to talk about Sustainable New Jersey a little bit? >> Sure. Yep. >> And David, I guess, or just you out of
>> I was going to cover it. So, um, Sustainable Jersey is kind of revamping the whole program. Um, so they're kind of taking 26 off, I'm going to say, to some degree, as they revamp and redo the program and and how it's going to be
scored. And they're also adding a gold level to the program. Um, so there's not going to be a lot to, I'll say, to focus on and do as far as sustainable jersey for next year. Obviously, we're going to keep up the actions that we're doing and
and kind of keep them moving forward. But as far as jumping in and doing certification and really going through the nuts and bolts, we're kind of gonna pause for next year until they come out with the new guidelines for that. >> You want to talk about the police building? You want to talk about the
police building? >> Police building. So, if you've if you drove by the police building down there, you saw some activity there. Uh today is I'll say the first official work. They're kind of boxing out the um the where the building location is uh in
anticipation for the foundation work to be starting on next Monday. So, uh it's really going to be full full steam ahead from now on uh for the next year and a half. So, looking forward to it.
>> Projection time to finish it. You say year and a half. I I think uh I think I'm looking at spring of 20 27. >> Okay. >> So, a year and three months from now, year and four months from now. >> Nice.
>> It's right on the corner, isn't it? >> It's right on the It is It's It's a corner property. Yes. I had uh at the last the last meeting asked if we could learn more about the different sustainability measures or
like building methods that were integrated into the police station because it there is that ordinance in Kate May city that government buildings should first consider sustainable materials and methods. So, I didn't know what
>> I'd have to look at I'd have to look at what the architect did to get a report from him on that specifically. I know it's it's was designed and set up to have solar installed on the roof. I know from a uh the roof material we're
looking at is more is instead of using a traditional more expensive slate, we're using a synthetic slate product to be more economical and ecological. So, we're not using up a resource. Um, but I have to look at whatever other energy conservation issues that they
brought into the building. >> Okay. We were just curious. I'm happy to hear about the solar, but anything else would just be great insight to have. >> Sure. >> Uh, we had sent you a a memo about the the nature trail, the nature center. Did
you get that from Gretchen? Did you have a chance to look at that at all? Some of the stuff that we thought we ought to try and maintain it a little bit better than or try and maintain certain ideas into it, that kind of stuff. >> Yeah, I I think that there's a lot of opportunities to do stuff along that
trail and that's stuff that we'll try to implement as we move forward with implementing the maintenance of that trail. I think yeah, that's it has a lot of opportunities to do some good stuff out there >> that that Gretch group. We were probably
going to hear from us again on that one, I'm sure. Okay. Yeah, whatever. And but but you're going to hear from you, but I'm also going to ask you to help be involved in in, >> you know, really being working with David and myself and and moving that
forward. >> Well, how did you get the parking from >> just This was just on the >> mean you talking about Harbor View or you talking about I didn't get anything on that. >> No, this is for the Oh, you're talking about the N the K nature trails. The
nature trails. Yes. >> I No, I didn't. I didn't get anything from what she wanted to do on the on the park. >> No, not at all. Anybody else have any questions on Paul? Anybody? Charlotte, you have any questions about
Paul? >> Um, I've got a little here. Does Paul have a few minutes to stay for that or? >> Yeah, we're good. You can you can you got the floor? >> Okay. Well, then I'll just skip to it. Um because you know as a historian one
of the things I do is keep a whole lot of records and I'm thrilled that we have you know um basically Paul and John in the same room at the same time with some of these records
that I've uncovered one more time. And actually, I did have them copied at my expense because I think they're really important for people
as we have wonderful new employees and people who are willing to serve on council and members of our own commission here. reminded of some of these um
ordinances and resolutions that were passed. And the earliest one that I have records identifies water conservation and restrictions from 1997.
And then I have one on landscaping um from also from 1997. One on storm water 2005. Then one on green buildings and what they should include for sustainability
from 2011 and then a balloon or from 2017. Then one for plastic packaging from 2019 and one for green grounds maintenance
policy. And then from 2021 an ordinance authorizing and encouraging electric vehicle supply and make ready parking spaces.
After that 2022 regulation of invasive species and the last one that I have a record of is from 2024 a dark sky resolution.
So, I am hoping that as we have passed these that all new folks serving our town would have a chance to look at some of these and make certain as we go along.
that these topics are passed on when we finalize anything at the planning board or at a city council meeting or at a zoning board meeting because these
should be utmost in everyone's mind so that we continue to endorse those regulations that we feel are important enough to make into um a resolution
or into an ordinance. So, um, with all of that said, I pulled out one and I'll read just the first paragraph of this resolution from 2011,
which is the adoption of a green building practice that says, whereas buildings account for 39% of carbon dioxide emissions, more than either transportation or
industrial In addition, buildings account for nearly 12% of portable water use, 65% of waste output, 71% of electricity comp um
consumption and this comes from the green building council from the US. Um and then it goes on to talk about our master plan and how
master plan documents and encourages sustainability in green design. So, I'm very pleased and I thank you all for thinking that we will be have
um some wonderful solar panels on this new police station that we're going to um think that probably the planning board members when
we get a new group understand each one of these particular ordinances or resolutions so that when they're making decisions for our city that they have something to
hang their hat on that they're not just grasping at straws that these are suggestions that have become legal documents for Kate May. Um, anyway, I would like to say that I have given
extra copies of all of these resolutions and ordinances to David, and it would please me no end if David could pass along to our city
manager and to our new councilman, John, um, copies of these particular documents. Um, So that's what I wanted to bring forward today as we go into a new year
>> that we don't that we don't forget all the hard work that we've put in so far into the city of Cape May as we continue with planning. >> One of the things I think we really ought to concentrate on
as we go forward into the new year is water saving. Here we are 25 years later and I sitting on that particular board when we were
looking at having to put in a new DEOP plan 25 years ago, actually 27 years ago, and had we been maybe a little bit stricter
with water and its use, Maybe we could have extended the life even a few more years of our del plan. So hopefully this will be what we're
looking at in the new year. How can we possibly convince those people who come to our beautiful town and we welcome them of course but maybe as people who are here for a
short visit renting or visiting relatives and so forth. How do we impact them with knowing that water must be water usage must be respected from the time they come and visit to the time
they leave because we do have this sort of handicap. We are putting in a new del plan and how many more of those can we do in a lifetime. So that all very generous in listening
to me about all this and I thank you. >> Thanks, Charlotte. Uh Dave, you did you said did you get those copies yet or we you're trying to you will get those orders. >> Yeah. All right. >> We'll follow we'll follow through on that, Charlotte. We'll figure out something to do with all those the
resolutions and the ordinances. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okie dokie. Uh Paul, any comments on any of that stuff? No, it's just a lot of history to keep track of and pass along from from generations don't know all that stuff.
>> I'll guarantee that. >> So disappointing. >> It is disappointing. >> How can someone properly serve on the planning board if they're >> not only planning board but zoning board? >> But the problem absolutely but see the problem is when you look at the what the planning board looks at, they look at the planning their implementation
ordinances that talk about zoning. a lot of the ordinances that Charlotte referenced aren't in the zoning ordinance. So the plane board does not really have control over implementing into them projects. So that's where there's the
disconnect in a lot of those issues and because that and really that happens is because a lot of those issues that are brought up in these are more broad brush sweeping issues that they don't they you know sustainable Jersey or some other
group comes up with an idea and comes up with a model ordinance but it's a general principle ordinance not an ordinance that has any teeth when it comes to planning and zoning at the planning board level. Um sometimes you
can implement them. it ends up being a code enforcement issue and you know I'll just say a perfect example is you know the irrigate you know irrigating your lawn >> you know the different stip you know this different stipulations in that >> just to regulate that would be
>> an enormous task but it's on the books but there again doesn't get a lot of um teeth into it um I would disagree um even if we had had additional water conservation measures. It wouldn't have
delayed the implementation or the need for a new desalinization plant. It that would have the amount of water that we process through the diesel plant doesn't make it break down or
need to be replaced sooner. what what our conservation would have done back 20 40 years ago would have been oh we wouldn't have needed the del plant maybe it would have delayed us getting it and it would have delayed
saltwater intrusion into the aquifer but once we had once we started needing it um the amount of water we we put through there doesn't change how quickly it wears out but that's the disconnect from the planning zoning board
>> the membranes give out like the there's a longevity to the membranes that are used and that is dependent upon the amount of water that's processed. >> But it's not just the membranes, it's all the different components and parts and you can't like the seals at the end. They don't even make them anymore. So,
we're having to get customized things built to just do general maintenance of it. So, it's not it's not that. It's it's everything >> because they just have a a longevity life that they doesn't last.
>> Well, I mean, Charlotte is right. If visitors did know about this issue, if it, you know, was something that they were educated about upon their arrival, it would be a great thing. So perhaps that can be one of the outcomes of the
presentation that I'm giving next week and ultimately the project that Colombia worked on last spring. They have a number of suggestions for how to make that happen. From mirror stickers to toilet stickers to brochures for, you
know, when um um a landlord has a vacation rental or a hotel owner, um they're applying for merkantal licenses. make sure that like with their sticker they are also having getting pamphlets
uh handouts that can be presented um to visitors just kind of bombarding them with information through a number of different um avenues and material types. So I mean there's some philosophy behind it but it's like we need to be exposed
to new information a certain number of times before it actually is something that we remember. Um, so perhaps that approach should be applied to visitors as well. >> Um, I still have I can't help but think that the planning board members ought to
look at those ordinances that have just that sit in the back of their minds for everything that they process, you know, that comes in front of them. Same for the zoning board. Well, I'm going to talk to you about that. I want to get that out to the to people. >> Yeah, I I have some thoughts on that as
well. So may maybe after the meeting we can we can talk about that. >> Uh see here. Right. So Dave, you got a comment on the on the Monarch pledge. >> Is that you want to say something about? >> Yeah. Yeah. So we um just got we just um
received a certificate for 2025. So we passed with the Monarch pledge. So um it's through the National Wildlife Federation. So >> and any program planning for 2026? You want we wanted to comment on make sure the dates uh for the for our meetings
dates for next year. Correct. >> Yeah. So we need to speak about for next year if we're going to continue with the same dates be this year and then also for December we don't have >> we're not having a meeting this next December but I think for the most part I think the meeting dates ought to be relatively the same for next year.
Anybody have a problem with that? >> It's a good idea. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, anybody else? Anybody else have any new business you want to speak about? How about the for discussion? Dave, you
got a comment about the trail map the nature? Nothing. Okay. How about the the seedling applications? Nothing on that. >> The seedling application, the tree seeding for the for the uh >> Yeah. So, I just want to bring it. I mean, I haven't really looked into too
much yet, but there's an application we can put in um to get seedlings. >> Okay. >> Um I think maybe we can do something um in terms of >> native tree seedlings. Yes. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Um that'd be kind of a cool event to do in the spring where we can actually hand out the
seedlings to um >> kind of like a dune day >> local. Correct. Yeah. >> So, Bill, for local residents, um obviously make sure they're all native again by checking the list, but it's an application we can apply for. I thought it'd be a fun little spring day where we could have like a tree and giveaway >> at Lafayette Street. So, I want to see
what your guys feelings on that. And >> I'm not sure what's left out left on the meeting, but I was telling Dave I went out there to look at the seedlings that we put put on the dunes. I couldn't find them. I went out there and I knew where we planted and I went out there and I could not find them out there.
>> Does that mean they've grown? >> I don't know. I I want to go out with Dave, make sure that I'm not wacky and I was in the wrong spot. >> I really Howard, wasn't it? What's that? >> What street was it on >> now? It was between just this side of Queen, right? It was just this side of Queen Street. >> Yeah. So, it's um if you're looking at
Queen Street Beach from the street, it's to the right hand side. >> Yeah. >> The one full block. I'm sure they're still there somewhere. >> I'm sure they're still I'd like to find them. >> Yeah. I mean, I can take a look and say after the meeting >> because I was meticulous in where I planted. I really planted my patch there and I wanted to check my patch out to
see how it was doing. >> Throw your name in the sand >> and I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. Really? Anybody else have any more about the All right. So, we're not having a meeting next month. We in January, we'll have our next meeting again. >> All right. >> So, I have a question for Dave. Dave, do
you need us as a committee to step up and take some initiatives? Like, do you need us to this native tree planting? Well, I I think for >> planning, we'll definitely need to I
think group more together to kind of decide who takes what, what part of the the event. Um, so we have like the dune day if you want to do the tree giveaway, the trails cleanups. Um, there's things like that. I think we
got to get together more kind of decide what what events we want to do um early in the year so when we get the budget I can kind of prepare for that thing out ahead of time >> and let's put that on the the January meeting we'll talk about exactly the things we want to do for the year for sure. Okay. So, regarding that, I did
have one suggestion for you guys. If you guys wanted to, as part of like Arbor Day and planting a tree for next year and in coordination with the 250th anniversary of whether or not we wanted to reach out and get a Liberty tree and
plant a Liberty tree at one of our parks and and make it as part of our uh anniversary celebrations next year, that might be a opportunity for to have an event around Arbor Day and plant a
liberty tree. >> Okay, we'll bring that up at the at our next meeting. >> I just >> Okay, >> Paul, when do you need to have that information? >> Will we be putting that together? I mean, >> if it sounds like an idea that you guys are good with. I just need to have Casey
put it on her calendar of events. Got it. >> As we as we put forward to it. But I but I think it's you know it's a would be a good a it's always good to plant trees around Arbor Day and we're Tree City so it's it's a good positive thing. I was going to I just wanted to I'm also going
to be discussing it with Shade Tree but I think you know that that type of a thing is a crossover type of a thing between this >> you do Casey's doing this. Well, Casey's coordinating the schedule of events. In other words, we're we're putting out an a whole calendar of events regarding
over that regards the whole um celebration the 250th anniversary of the country 16 175th of the city and the 50th of the national landmark status. So, we're doing a whole we're making sure our whole calendar of event around
those types of things are going to be publicized early. So, I'm anticipating talking with Shade Tree about doing a tree planting with a for a Liberty Tree around Arbor Day. >> Okay. >> So, >> do you need to do you need to hear
before the January meeting? Because if if you're going to publication or anything like that, want to make sure that you have that information >> as long as we have it on everybody's calendar that that's going to be an event we're having. But I'm I had anticipated >> include the environmental commission. >> Yes. Yes. So, did you want the
environmental commission to run the event or you want us to >> I'll talk I mean I know that we're going to have the event. Okay. I mean, Shade Tree may prefer to take the lead on it, but I I'll look to have you guys incorporated and copied in it just because >> something like that there's a lot of
crossover for that type of a >> of an event. >> I'm sure Gretchen would have recommendations on which type of tree. >> Well, it's a liberty tree. It's a spec. The type of tree is >> that's a species of tree. >> Yes. >> A liberty tree.
>> Yeah. It's it's it's an it's a certain species of elm. It's an elm. >> Oh, okay. It's an elm. Cool. >> Yeah, that's the the liberty tree is a common name, but it's it's all taken from the liberty tree that was up in Massachusetts. I feel like I forget
where it was. But a true liberty tree is a seed. It's a seedling from that that >> 400y old tree, >> right? >> It's an oak tree, >> yes. But I think I think in this time
they've they've morphed it into a lot of I don't think that it's harder to get the actual liberty tree seedlings now. It's like a big application process. So, um, but that was my
one of the other events that we were proposing was to get a li plan a liberty tree on the 250th anniversary for Harbor Day. >> Okay. >> Anybody else have anything? Motion to adjurnn.
>> I make motion. Okay. Mic's off.